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Hi you ...

Thanks for your welcome! I only joined 'cause somebody made a wiki page about me ... and in some kind it was wrong. x_x; So that's all.

--Meeko 01:40, 25 Mai 2006 (UTC)

Hi, GreenReaper

This is partly a test to see if I've got this editor figured out before I do anything important with it. I notice someone put in an entry for yours truly (in fact that's how I wandered in - I was checking old Other Suns links which led to Nicolai's entry which led to mine) which I may update later; at least I suppose the fact that I was Den Mother of ConFurence for years and am now holding that position in CaliFur is at interesting as anything already there. Also an excuse for putting in a few Ursa Major links inasmuch as I maintain the Recommended List.

Speaking of which, I got your note suggesting the addition of WikiFur to the Recommended Anthropomorphics list for this year - makes sense, though I'll have to discuss where to put it with the rest of the committee. We're currently counting nominations for this year's Ursa Major ballot. --Yealurowluro 00:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Glad you got my note! I wasn't entirely sure if I should suggest it myself, but I figured it's something that's worth reading. :-)

It looks like you have the wiki editing figured out. Please do contribute to any articles you find lacking, and good luck figuring out those nominations. --GreenReaper^(talk) 21:04, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Moving assistance.

Hey GreenReaper,

Thanks for the help moving the page for my listing. I was woundering if it should have been moved over as you did, but didn't have time IRL to send a message. The dire warning kinda steared me off. (I figured I would mess around with my own page before messing up some one elses =)

No problem! A lot of people start off in the User: namespace, as that's where you would normally do it on (e.g.) Wikipedia.

Let me know if I'm misplacing anyother articles so we can keep the database as consistant as possable! (Or if you have any other suggestions)

I'm sure I or another contributor will let you know should that be the case. :-)

I hope the format of the post is accaptable. I wrote the thing in third person as if I was writing about someone else. Thanks again - PG

That was fine. Feel free to edit your User: page if you want to say something from first-person persepective in addition to that which is already there (but don't feel you have to - most people are just fine with what's on the page about them already). --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the kind welcome. Though I've been active on Wikipedia forever (and I'm admin there), I've only just discovered wikifur today. I'm happy to help out in any area that needs it, and I've already added stubs for Wild Life and Wildlifers! Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:43, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Excellent . . . *scoops up some cover pics for those* --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

View counts

I've noticed that the view counts in Special:Popularpages have not updated at least since last Thursday on several articles I've been following, even though I've viewed some of those articles myself during that time. I've verified this from two different computers and used a couple of other tricks to make reasonably certain it's not a browser cache issue. What gives?

Edit: There are also several hundred articles that currently show 0 views. --mwalimu 14:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I had a chat with the admins and apparently they had to discontinue popular pages updating due to server loads. We can get the same sort of information from the google analytics stats, so it's no great loss, although it is a pity that people can't access that without talking to me first.

As this makes the page rather useless, I've removed the link in the main page header and added in links to the article and user talk pages instead. --GreenReaper^(talk) 16:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Re my WikiFur entry

Just noticed that you had stuck in an unwritten link from the Kay Shapero entry for the Anthropomorphic Literature and Arts Association. I had deliberately NOT put a link there, because the ALAA exists to produce the Recommended List and present the Ursa Major awards, both of which have links right after the reference. So I figured it would be superfluous. What do you think? I could probably write an entry, but it'd only be a couple of lines long and probably wouldn't contain much you can't find out from the other two links. --Yealurowluro

(I'm not GR, but we never have a shortage of opinions around here! :-) Actually, even the small amount of information you mention would be useful, if only to define the parametes of the organization and to show that it is independent of any other organization out there (when I first saw mention of ALAA, I erroneously conflated it with AAE, which is a different beastie entirely). ----DuncanDaHusky^(talk) 00:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That's basically why I put it in there (also because I rememebered it was linked in Ursa Major Awards). If you really don't think it should have an entry, take it out, but as Duncan mentions, Anthropomorphic Arts and Education seems to do well enough. It's a short page, but it gives a link to the organization, and as it is a separate page it can be put into Category:Organizations which helps us keep a tab on all such organizations. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

To Stub or Not to Stub?

Is there a guideline as to when a short article (which just doesn't have much to say) doesn't need to be tagged as a stub? 1000 bytes, etc.? Wouldn't stop anyone from dropping in to make changes anyway. Just curious. --Frizzy 23:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I usually go by the rule of whether I feel there's anything that ought to be added (but that I'm not sure about or don't know or don't feel like putting in right now). -- Siege^(talk) 05:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The general rule is "if there is probably something that could be added fairly easily by someone who doesn't know much about the topic" (say with a few minutes of google searching) then it is a stub. If not, then it is not a stub, although if you can describe it entirely in a couple of lines, it is probably a strong candidate for merging with another article. --GreenReaper^(talk) 08:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Categorization?

Thanks for the quick feedback! I was looking through WikiFur's style guide and had another question: Are there any guidelines on category order at the end of articles? I was going through alphabetically, but it might be helpful to define this in the style guide if there's a prefered order to doing this. --Frizzy 19:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Technically any order is fine. In practice, for articles about people I've tended to do People and then subcategories of People (note that we only do this category + subcategory thing with people so as to get a full listing in that category), and then their location and year of birth/death. In general I would put the most important or relevant category first, but that's just a personal style. --GreenReaper^(talk) 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

What you describe is what I've been doing, GreenReaper. I described it in some detail over at Category_talk:Root. -- Sine 21:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Requesting page protection

How do I go about requesting my page to be locked so that only myself and administrators can edit it? --Banrai

You just did. I'm at work right now so I can't really look that closely to ensure it's appropriate, but I will later this evening.

Be aware that "your page" is User:Banrai. Banrai is "the page about you". As such it is expected to be reasonably complete, and I do find it odd that there is no mention or reference to the actions mentioned in a certain LiveJournal entry that comes up when searching for your name. What's past is past, and it is important not to dwell on it, but it does deserve recording so that people understand how things ended up as they are today (and so we don't get complaints on the talk page from people who think things are being hidden). I will try and see about that tonight as well. I'm not a concerned party other than ensuring the accuracy of the article, and I don't particularly want to raise any drama about it, so fear not - it'll be brief.

Oh, and just something I noticed glancing over the page - you only need to link to other articles the first time a linkable name comes up, not every time. It's assumed that people will already have clicked on the link if they want to go to it. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 15:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I added a small blurb about... that. But feel free to edit it as you see fit. It's a very personal preferance that the article itself not actually be linked, since it IS over and done, but.. yeah, you're the mod. I also went back in and fixed the massive-linking, so it looks a little cleaner now. ;3 --Banrai

I've not linked it. Instead, I spent a while reading various sources, then tried to give a summary of your actions, the context behind them - part of which was already evident in previous sections - and the response from others, without turning it into a duplicate of that post (or another Sibe). I think it says all that needs to be said about that without taking up too much of the article. If people really want to know more, I'm sure they can find out for themselves - but I suspect for most it is enough that they will not feel the need to do so.

As for your request, the article seems a good one as it stands. I will post a notice on the talk page, and unless there is significant dissent from the WikiFur community I will enable the page protection within a day or so. If at a later point you decide that you no longer want the page protected then any admin can help you remove it at request. --GreenReaper^(talk) 06:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism and blocking

I've just blocked an IP for what I now see is repeated vandalism. (Three incidents so far.) Do we have an understood point where we block for longer periods, or infinitely? -- Sine 03:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I would say go up by one category per repeated offense - hours, days, weeks, months, years (or forever). If all they do is vandalism feel free to skip a step. We're not Wikipedia, we've not really got time to deal with trouble again and again. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandal IPs found

69.210.142.84 and 68.202.53.196 They were found posting images of the vandalism in /b/

Questions about Des Lee?

Hey there! Thought I'd drop a line and see if I could answer any questions you might have about Desiree. I set up a basic entry for her awhile ago, but I'd noticed you had a question or two concerning her on my page. Anyway, if I can be of assistance, let me know! Thanks!

Note my recent edit and comment on the talk page, but I'll carry over here and say that I think the question was about those quote-marks around "friend". -- Siege^(talk) 20:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep, replied on the talk page. --GreenReaper^(talk) 21:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit patrols

It's about this time that I think bringing back the "patrol this edit" marker may be a good idea. It just has to be explained clearly: "These markers are for admin to make rounds of patrols through the various edits," and so forth. I'd also like to suggest a proxy banlist which is shared across Wikia. That way, once a proxy is confirmed, all wikis have the option of automatically banning it. -- Siege^(talk) 06:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I would support the creation of a shared proxy banlist with all of Wikia. Is there a feature for this currently in mediawiki or would it have to be added through some sort of module? -- DeVandalizer 06:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

This might be a good idea. We are getting a lot of edits - certainly more than I manage to have the time to look at, let alone edit. We can probably try enabling it for a time.

I think there is actually a proxy blacklist. We may be using a service, in which case it probably doesn't get everything. JasonR on the live chat would be the perosn to talk to about that (or he's available via technical at wikia dot com, or the wikia-l mailing list, or the wikia LiveJournal). --GreenReaper^(talk) 08:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!

I was figuring it would come at some point or another. Very much appreciated. :) Bastique 13:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Database error on page move

I was attempting to move Art Show over its redirect Art show (note the caps - one is the name of a show, the other is a type), and I received this error:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

UPDATE `wikicities`.`gpage` SET page_namespace = '0',page_title = 'Art_show' WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Art_Show'

from within function "Database::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'furry-0-Art_show' for key 2 (paris.wikia.com)".

Would you mind passing this on to the Wikia folks? Looks like the parser is missing the routine which checks for a page/redirect/whatever under the name being moved to. Thanks. -- Siege^(talk) 10:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Back.

This is a bit awkward, but I think this is the right way to do it. I'm looking over a variety of articles to see what I can add to. I lengthened Ken Fletcher's piece a little -- he deserves more, but it's hard to do him justice, even knowing him fairly well. (Ken is modest to the point of humility.) Kevin Duane's piece broke me up. I could add 10,000 words, but wouldn't know where to start. And do I want to make him out a clown, a villain, a well-intentioned schlemiel, or just a guy who got a lot of bad breaks? Then there was Steve Martin. Another perplexing case. I had to add a bit more detail to the "controversy" section, that put the customs debacle in a somewhat better light.

Ah... I wonder what other delights await? --Taral Wayne

It can be hard. Pages can and have been written about past disputes, but in the end the actual situation can usually be boiled down to just a few paragraphs written in a fairly dry tone. If in doubt, just add the facts, and try to make sure you don't leave out any facts in a way that could be viewed as biased by not giving reasonable coverage of all sides of the story. If you think you're up to writing a more lengthy piece, and you think it is appropriate for the article concerned, be bold and do so. Wikipedia has lots of advice on how to go about this.

Whatever you do decide to add, thank you for taking the time to do so. WikiFur relies on the contributions of those who know the full history of events, and in many cases there are only a few people in the world who do. Hopefully this project will go some way towards ensuring that the history of the fandom doesn't fade away, as I think that would be a shame.

Oh, and note that you can sign comments on talk pages with ~~~~, or just ~~~ if you want to do it without the date. There's no need to do so on the main article pages, as they're intended to be community work anyway (and a full history of contributions is kept in the history tab if it's required). --GreenReaper^(talk) 10:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I think I'll just leave the Kevin Duane item as it is. While there's a hundred times more, it isn't really that important, and what's there is probably impartial enough. Though I doubt very much Kevin would own up to much on the negative side of the ledger.

By the way, what would keep him from editing out everything he didn't like, and painting a glowing picture of himself?

Nothing. However, he'd probably find such edits mysteriously changed back a few minutes later. Some people around here tend to watch recent changes like a hawk and can very quickly pick up on editors who are trying to modify history, especially their own. There are established procedures for requesting the removal of certain items of personal information. Blanking or removing information without comment do not count, and won't have the desired effect. --GreenReaper^(talk) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, thanks for the welcome! I just have to say that I'm very impressed by the speed at which the articles are updated :)

--MrZebra 10:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Glad you like it! We aim to please. ;-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance

Thank you for loading a higher-resolution picture for me. I appreciate that. And thanks for the welcome as well. :)

--Equestrian

Asking your permission

Would it be okay with you to upload this image to wikifur? It is an animated gif of scenes from the CSI furry episode. It's 1.8MB so I'm obviously not going to risk spending the long time uploading it if it gets deleted and I'm hoping somebody else will do it. If that is not acceptable, would a link to it in the CSI article be allowed? There's no pressure if you don't agree with these. SleepAtWork 05:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I probably wouldn't delete it. It is not the best pictoral representation of the whole show, though. The animation tells a story, but it is not the whole story about the show, just as the show does not tell the whole story about the fandom. Its purpose on ED was to promote fursecution (to whit, the conversion of furries into trophies and rugs) and the selection of passages in the animation is limited to those supporting that argument. I believe that a small selection of screen captures from various points in the show added by use of the <gallery> tag (see The Forest for an example) might be a better addition to the article.

Another thing to consider - if it takes you a long time to upload it, it will take a long time for many of our contributors to download it as well. 2Mb pages are not really a good idea. This suggests that a link to the animation would be more appropriate, with a note of the file size for those on modems. --GreenReaper^(talk) 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

About size, I see so many websites designed where the only way you can view them is flash. I don't know what the deal with that. The real size getter is YTMNDs where each one is huge and often a copy of several other ones with just a tiny change. You know you're actually a pretty cool person (and probably same for others here) compared to the wikipedia furry community where any mention of furries that isn't in their "furries never yiff, or dress in custumes more than bunny ears, and all furries are heterosexual, and there are the same number of male and female furries" propoganda means a witchhunt and I think it's one of the reasons why encyclopedia dramatica has all the anti-furry stuff--and the site says somewhere it's the denial of some furry aspects that get them made fun of----that can be compared to how the site doesn't make fun of star wars / star trek nerds with more than a small amount. SleepAtWork 10:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Flash is not the most ideal system for web user interfaces (although it does have enviable compatability compared to things like JavaScript). I won't go so far as to say that Flash has no place. It is a good system for the delivery of multimedia content. We tend to link to that rather than host it, though. :-)

It is true that people are sometimes overly defensive. However, at the same time, some have good reason - there really are "furry haters" for which it is a hobby to just go out there and spread the message that furries suck. Most of them don't actually know anything about the fandom, participate in any of the events, or contribute anything - they're just having fun putting other people down. I'm more than willing to accept criticism from people like Nothingkat, who at least knows what he's talking about. And . . . well, I've not heard people make the above assertions before. I'm sure a lot of people say "not all furries yiff, not all dress up in fursuits, not all are gay and furries are not all male", but there's a big difference between that and utter denial.

As for Wikipedia, you have to remember that the purpose of their project (as ours) is to make an encyclopedia, not to make fun of people. The furry fandom article already has five whole paragraphs on sexual activities. I think that gives readers a fairly good idea of the extent of sexual content in the fandom. When you get edits like these, it is very easy to see why a lot of them get reverted.

ED would have furry stuff on it regardless, I am sure. After all, we already own LiveJournal. --GreenReaper^(talk) 01:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for your barnstar award, I appreciate your recognition. I have found in recent weeks just how difficult it is to start a Wika, and it's always nice to have someone appreciate the work. While I still need to read up on the goals and concept of this Wiki, I'm a big comic book fan and can hopefully help with some new content. You can contact me at my talk page at The O.C. Wikia. - Xtreme680 09:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

My page got vandalized...

Apparently it happened today even, suprisinly. Some user going by the name of Clambake....*sigh*. And it has to be somebody with access to aby.com or yiffstar.com, because that's the ONLY place I've posted the picture used with even a slight bit of public access. --lucashoal 3:40 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)

I will say that the staff already reverted the edits made to your page. The image, though I have not seen it, was already deleted. ----Markus^(talk) 23:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Duncan was pretty quick on the ball!

I find it odd that you were able to revert their work so quickly - according to the history, just four minutes passed between the picture being uploaded and your reversion. How did you know that they had posted the picture there? --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I just decided to log in today to see if anyone had left me a note, or made any changes to my page. And seeing the picture, well... It was a matter of luck really. I know it seems....fishy, but I honestly had no way at all of knowing this edit had taken place.

As for the picture? It was a picture of me, not just Luca, but me in the real world. Specifically, it was one taken at a babyfur party, and in a pink dress.

Thank you though for everything ^^. Lucashoal 9:03 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)

*grins* - well, you were fortunate, then. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting article on this whole problem in The New York Times (Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy) -- although the article is about "big" Wikipedia the principles and concerns probably still apply. --Auliya

Yes. We have the same features here, and have used them, though they too affect only a small proportion of our pages. --GreenReaper^(talk) 15:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Transformation

I'm reasonably sure that this is actually correct, if badly formatted and perhaps not completely relevant to this wiki. See here for the rhyme. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I did get a indeed get a positive hit for the rhyme, but Google turned up nothing relevant for Lanelet, Elidia, Zaikhoeven, or "Duncan Frasier" and "Robert Lambe". I tried several different spelling variants and still came up with nothing. Now, I'm willing to grant that Google is not actually the sum of all knowledge, but the lack of hits and the near-unreadability of the edit makes me suspicious. ----DuncanDaHusky^(talk) 18:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Duncan Frasier is cited as the author of the rhyme in the above link. Robert Lambe is likely to be this guy.

There does seem to be some confusion in online sources about who wrote the item and when it was written. Don't suppose you know any medieval historians? :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've done some further research and I think I see the problem: it's written in the arcane and byzantine languange of academese, a language I'm afraid I lost my fluency in years ago (and besides, I only ever spoke technical academese - I think it relates to Liberal Arts academese like Classical Latin to Vulgate Latin :-) I'll warrant that it was a valid edit, but written so impenetrably I would question its value. I've found a couple of useful links that might help; I'll probably poke at it a bit more tonight.----DuncanDaHusky^(talk) 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

1. I am able to translate this. It's pretty much just a load of academic-paper-filling bull, and says very little of relevancy to our wiki.

2. Here, lemme take a whack at rebuilding that section.

-- Siege^(talk) 23:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for fixing my first upload :D I just joined and I'm still trying to get used to it all. I hope I atleast put THIS post in the correct place.

*grins* - yep, you just need to sign it! You can use ~~~~ to do that (or ~~~ if you don't want to put the date). --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Howloween Template

Are there any plans to create a Howloween convention template? Howloween is a convention held in British Columbia, during Late October : Howloween 2006 Website

If you want one, just copy the contents of any existing convention templates to Template:User Howloween and change accordingly, then create the appropriate category and make it a subcategory of Category:Wikifurries. --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I shall try that. ^_^ --Seamora^(talk)

Terms with Multiple Definitions

What is commonly done with terms that have more than one definition? Do they have separate pages, and if so , how does one do this?--Seamora^(talk)

Short answer - it depends! Long answer follows . . .

If the terms are related, but with differing nuances, then you might discuss them on the same page. For example, yiff has many meanings, but they are all related to a reasonably close degree, so they are all described on the same page. In general, you can tell "reasonably close" by the categories - if separate meanings would all fall under the same category then you would probably discuss them together (except people, who always have different articles).

Some terms have numerous unrelated meanings. In this case we divide it into separate pages with a qualifier in lowercase [unless a proper name] and inside parenthesis, and then create what is called a disambiguation page for people who link to the term without parentheses. The page should have the {{disambig}} tag at the bottom. If another topic has the name within it, and a shorterned form might conflict, it is given the full title but also included in the disambiguation page.

You can see this at The Bestiary, which links to The Bestiary (playing cards) and The Bestiary (comic) (which we know exists, just hasn't yet been written about) but also to The Bestiary's Terrie Smith Does Art Special.

We may also make an indented, italic link at the top of the pages if there is possible confusion or the other article is somehow relevant, something like this (for a person called "Delight"):

":''This article is about the [[:Category:People|person]]. For the chocolate bar, see <nowiki>[[Delight (chocolate bar)]].'' (or: "There is also a [[Delight (chocolate)|chocolate bar called Delight]].")

In the case where one thing is clearly the more usual or "official" term, but there is another term that should have a different article, like skunk or Eurofurence, then the general term is used without parentheses and the other term(s) have parentheses or are otherwise made different. We use the above method to link between them.

In rare cases, it may also be appropriate to add a parentheses even if there is currently no article at the non-parentheses term. This is done where there might be confusion about what the article should be about. For example, Furre! has links to Persona Play (Furre!) and Roleplay (Furre!). This is because the term Roleplay has a special meaning in the context of Furre!, and so it should not link to the main role-playing article, which has a redirect from Roleplay. For consistency, Persona Play has the same qualifier, even though there is not likely to be another article called Persona Play as it is at term that is specific to Furcadia/Furre!.

Deciding what to do in a particular case is sometimes tricky, but it is usually simple once you have done it a few times. Hope the above helps! --GreenReaper^(talk) 08:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Heya GreenReaper!!

The page looks great, hun! Thanks for editing it a bit for me! There are also more WikiFur pages about me including Xelaros and Spirit Creations. I see that you guys don't have a page up for Maned Wolves which I would like to create. Thanks for your help! Give me suggestions any time!

Inali Ke'aloha

Maned wolf page up!

Heya, just wanted to let you know that I created a page about maned wolves since there wasn't one. It could use some editing, such as a contents box and the pictures off to the side. Thanks! --Inali

Well, it looks like you figured all that out! I moved it to Maned Wolf because it is a proper name of a species. The contents box will automatically appear if you have four headers in the article. If you do not (or to move it), you can make it appear by adding __TOC__ wherever you want. I sometimes put this inside a div tag that is set to float to the right. You can also hide it with __NOTOC__.

One question I have, though - do you have permission from the people who made those pictures to put them on this site? While I appreciate that you wish to improve the articles, it is not enough to just state who owns the copyright of an image - if you do not have explicit permission (either by having asked them or through a blanket license or copyright wavier), we cannot display the images. That's what copyright means, after all . . . the right to make copies. Both the Ark Gallery and Kenneth W. Fink/Root Resources sources appear to be non-free in this respect (indeed, the Ark Gallery seems to have a specific note at the bottom saying that images are not for reproduction elsewhere).

Oh, and one last thing - on talk pages, it's easier to know who's talking if you sign your name at the end. You can do this by typing ~~~~, or just ~~~ to do so without adding the date and time. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I will email them and ask permission. If I can't get it from them, I'll ask some others until I get written permission. Where do I post that I have written permission when I get it? Thanks!

InaliKealoha 05:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You should put the permission on the image information page, the one that comes up when you click on the image. You can edit it just like any other page. If you fail to gain permission for those images, let myself or another administrator know, and we will delete it from the WikiFur image store. --GreenReaper^(talk) 14:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I very strongly feel that we should delete the images; they can be uploaded again if permission is given. -- Sine 16:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Then do so. --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the confirmation. -- Sine 23:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

hi

"Girl's amateur use of makeup by applying too much and her voice make are evidence she is a teenager below the age of eighteen." That wasn't meant as personal, though. It was more a Sherlock Holmes style detective work. I just want to be clear it was not my intention. I probably wrote it wrong. SleepAtWork 14:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It just seemed . . . well, like something you'd post on LiveJournal rather than in an encyclopedia, in much the same way as you get anti-furries taking pictures of fat people at cons and going "hey, look, aren't furries fat!" - maybe that wasn't your intention, but it was the vibe I got from your words. Her own words make her look bad enough as it is without pointing out her use of makeup.

A secondary consideration is that page is intended to be just a list of links rather than an in-depth discussion of them. If you really want to write up the details (which would probably include details from both videos), you could make an article on it and then link to it, as with the other articles linked from the media links page. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... you have an odd idea of copying the threads of talk and putting it on both talk pages. Well back to the topic, I also forgot the eyebrows were unplucked (I just wanted to write that down somewhere) as giving evidence that she was a minor. I think I'll put likely minor in the article. Umm.. I don't know if it's worthy of an article itself. It mostly is just a webcam video and then speaking of the vanity fair article. It would be different if it went through the things produced by actual furries, like her reaction to furry pornography art, but I think the video looks like little effort was put into it, and the humor was mostly the behavior of the girl herself. Encyclopedia Dramatica and some of the TV spots for instance do put some effort into their work. SleepAtWork 15:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I can just see that sequel: "Valley Girl, Furry Porn". Nuts and berries, indeed!

I actually think there's an opportunity to do a good video on furries and put it up there. The question would be whether or not anyone would go around with a videocamera at (say) Anthrocon and film it, and whether or not people would agree to its distribution. Maybe if it was done by someone already respected in the community.

Speaking for Anthrocon, I can tell you that our Rules of Conduct prohibit "broadcasting" of any video taken at the convention, which includes posting it online. --Giza 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

. . . without permission. I was thinking of one that would be done with permission. --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Based on my experience, furries at cons get very nervous when there is a camera rolling, due to past bad experiences. I wouldn't recommend holding your breath on getting permission to broadcast anything that's filmed.  :-/ --Giza 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Alas! On that general topic, it might be nice to do some kind of "WikiFur Documentary" thing. Maybe we could start with topics like "acting out in fursuit" or "making your first tail" and work up to tricky topics like "attending a furry convention". :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean having documentation here on WikiFur, or elsewhere? If it's here on WikiFur, would such an article still be considered "encyclopedic"? --Giza 21:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe that there is certainly room on WikiFur for material that is created by a particular person or group of people, something like "RandomVulpine's guide to making furry feet". Some use their own websites for such material, but if people want to put them up on WikiFur then I think we should be open to that. These should naturally be clearly tagged with a template similar to the current personal articles one, and should be placed in the User: namespace, or possibly a separate namespace designed for the purpose - Tutorial:, say. They could be linked to from regular articles, though it might be good to make a separately-headed section for them to separate them from the regular links that you'd get in See also.

I tend to copy talk because it's easier for other people to follow that way. I also archive my talk now and then, which makes it harder for people trying to follow the other side of conversation. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Off subject, when the game Spore comes out (a design evolution), I expect it may have something for furry gaming. SleepAtWork 15:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, though Second Life seems to have grabbing most of the virtual furry world for now. --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Testing...

I notice one or two articles about me and my comics say they need improving. My question is this: How much is too much? I'd like to do my part without overdoing it, ya know?

--Graveyard Greg

It's hard to do too much. I guess if you found yourself stretching for something to say, then it might be time to stop. Of course, I have a fairly short article, but then I don't have much to say about myself, as I've not had a long history in the furry fandom. Somewolf has a rather longer one. Certainly, comics can be and have been covered in significant depth. The Gaming Guardians article is a good idea of the minimum length that gives a good coverage of the key aspects of the topic, enough that it was featured, but it would certainly be possible to add to it without compromising that.

It is possible to go much farther, of course. For example, Wikipedia has a very extensive article on Kevin and Kell. That would be unusual to see here (probably the closest is Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures, and the plot is hardly covered there), but if people want to go that far on just about any topic it is welcome. We have many relatively short articles through happenstance, not choice. It's not like we're going to run out of paper, after all. :-)

The perfect article tells people everything they want to know about a topic. For some topics, this can be a lot. --GreenReaper^(talk) 04:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Species and characters categories

I think all of us will agree that having subcategories for species, and for characters of those species, is a good thing, up to a certain point. But I'm concerned that we may be getting a little carried away with it. Perhaps we're not to the point yet where we've overdone it and need to backpedal on some of the categories that have been created, but I think we're getting close to that point in some areas, and that it would be a good idea to stop and think about how far we want to go with this.

What do the rest of you think? More species/character categories, or is it time to rein it in? --mwalimu 21:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I like to think of it as setting the framework for future growth. Although if we start using Latin names, then I think we've gone too far. --Rat 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I look at it this way: If I'm a casual reader and I'm interested in, let's say, wolf characters. I click on the Wolf characters category and I see a whole bunch of names, plus (in this instance) sub-categories for Artic Wolf characters, Werewolves, and Wolf-Hybrid characters. Am I going to click on the subcategories to find the one or two listings beneath each entry, or ignore them and use the large main list? From a usability standpoint, I'm not sure I see the usefulness of breaking things down to the point where it's only two or three entries in a category.----DuncanDaHusky^(talk) 11:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Hiya!

Hey there! Thanks for the warm greet. I didn't exactly get to finish last night due to work issues, AND the fact I wasn't completely sure what I was doing (lol) Looks like someone was kind enough to get the basics started for me anyway :-)

As I learn a little more, I'd really like to be more active in the Wiki community so hopefully you'll see a little more of me ;-)

Regards -=Wulfsige=-

Thanks!

Thanks man, this is the best Wiki EVER! - MegaKitsune

Reply

' I guess you found your way here from the creatures wiki'

Sort of, pretty long story. I think I found them both at relatively the same time, when I started using wikipedia.

Thanks for the friendly welcomes! --Listeel 14:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit buttons

How do you set up an edit button like Wikifur and the Creatures wiki have? I'm also a member at the Sporewiki and want to contribute a button like that for them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Listeel (talk • contribs) .

Check out the MediaWiki:Monobook.css page, in particular the section starting:

/* Create more space to top and left of the section Edit links and put norn in it */

If you copy this and adjust it for your wiki (you will need to change the URL to match the URL of an image uploaded at your wiki or somewhere else) then it should work. --GreenReaper^(talk) 20:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Infobox question

I've been trying to make an Infobox for A Fox in the Works page with little luck, something like what Wikipedia has for TV series (ie Wikipedia:Babylon_5. I'm really don't know what I'm doing, and it's something that would probably work better as a template so it can be used for comics and other furry story series.

I can't find any help on making an infobox like this, and what I try to do comes up more then a bit fragged. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --Fox Cutter 05:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably the best place to start is Wikipedia's sample infobox template, which is relatively simple as they go. The one you mentioned, Template:Infobox Television is indeed hideously complex, in part because it relies on expressions (which are not yet available at Wikia, so it will give hideously mangled results).

Start simple. Just copy the template to a blank Template: page here (perhaps Template:Infobox!), and then try it out on a page. Try modifying various things, trying it out in the preview. Have a look at Wikipedia's template help. It is not, unfortunately, very clear, but it starts off with some useful information. Our templates section has various ones that definitely work here, which you could copy from as well. If you get stuck, ask for help on a discussion page, saying what you want it to do, and someone will probably lend a hand (and if not, prod me :-). --GreenReaper^(talk) 06:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia.org Extinctioners page being considered for deletion

I'm so upset right now because my Extinctioners page at Wikipedia.org is being considered for deletion, if I try and update the one here, will it also be deleted, please let me know in my talk(if it works) --RVDDP2501

On the contrary, we would be glad to have your contributions, as long as the copyright status of the images is satisfactory (either GFDL or another open form of licensing, or permission for use on WikiFur). As you can see on Wikipedia's deletion proposal, their reasoning is that Extinctioners is not sufficiently notable in the general world for an article. WikiFur is all about the furry fandom, so that's not applicable here. Just remember that as with Wikipedia articles are community efforts - after all, you copied the initial article from here - and you should do fine. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup?

Well, I've finished both the Extinctioners page and the individual character pages but some of them have a clean up not at the top, how can you clean up what little (in some cases) is there? --RVDDP2501

Perhaps they were referring to the manner in which the text was phrased? For example, it might have been written in first-person, when third-person is more appropriate for an encyclopedia. It might also be that formatting was non-standard or that the article was not correctly categorized (we really need to get specific templates for these, right now cleanup is used for everything). You can always ask the person who put the tag on the article what their precise reasoning was. --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Horizontal or vertical?

Hey listen, I'm not being a prud but someone named Dmuth has edited some of my character section (I'm not reporting the editing itself) but he caused the multiple pics the stack ontop each other in the right hand side of the screen, I've fixed mos of them, you can see the original ones he did in the jistory section, please let me know what you think of the matter, alright, thank you. --RVDDP2501

I personally think they look better side by side in that particular case. Those pictures happen to be particularly tall, and the fact that there is little text to go with it means that a better use of the space is to have them in a row. Most WikiFur articles have a lot more text in relation to the numbers of pictures, which is why the convention is to have them at the side, or in a combination of side pictures and a gallery as you can see in The Forest. --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Andorozon pics

The Creator of the Andorozon comics has sent me an e-mail giving me permission to use his picsm how do I forward you the e-mail to get the pics licenced, the pics up already were drawn by Shawntae Howard and were licenced but Ken Singshow is going to send his own pics, what do I do? --RVDDP2501

I would suggest that you just attach a copy of the email giving permission to the discussion page of the Andorozon article. That way everyone who looks at the article. You could also add a note on the image upload description that links to that page (something like [[Talk:Andorozon|permission information]]).

Also, when writing messages on talk pages please sign your name by putting ~~~~ at the end so we know who's talking and so who to reply to. It's possible to find that information out by looking at the edit history, but it's a lot easier if it's right there. Thanks! :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Heya. I've noticed that the text of Maxwell Manx (Copy Cat) looks to have come from http://www.geocities.com/extinctioners/profile_copycat.html and I assume that's similarly the case for at least some of the other character articles. Could you clarify that for me? I gather we have permission to use the character images here, but I don't remember reference to text descriptions, and I'm ever anxious about copyright concerns. -- Sine 00:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but believe me, I have been given permission from Shawntae Howard himself to use both his pics and text in this and other related articles pertaining to Extinctioners, listen could you give me your e-mail address so I can forward his e-mail of him giving permission or should I talk about this with GreenReaper what should I do?RVDDP2501 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest copying the e-mail to the talk page of the Extinctioners article; I've seen similar things here previously. You could certainly check with GreenReaper to confirm the procedure. It's great that we have all this Extinctioners material to work with, and that you've been so active with it. -- Sine 02:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

(forgive me if you have already said something on this matter, my memory isn't al that good) so EXACTLY what must I do?

All we need on the talk page (or on the Licensing section of the image pages) is something to show that a) you have asked to use the author's copyrighted works, on this website or on Wikipedia (which has similar requirements) and b) that he has said yes. This would probably be your initial request to him, and his reply. This should not a general agreement that you can write a wiki page about the topic (you could do that without asking), but something that makes it clear that you intend to use some related parts of his copyrighted works in the pages - as you say, "both his pics and text". That is the thing that requires permission, because it is his right to allow copies of his work on this site (or not to allow them, as he sees fit).

If you have previously asked for specific permission to use parts of his works rather than just writing about them, then that's fine - just put a copy of that on the page. If not, you should do so. You could point him to the wiki pages that have already been written (including some of the pictures) and ask him if that kind of use is OK. You could also invite him to look at the copyrights page, and/or to contact us directly if he has questions. --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Forum

Good timezone. The forums are all set up and ready to go. Let me know if you want help changing anything. I added a help page but it's a bit basic at the moment, because I'm still figuring out how things work and what we need to know! It will be good to see how it goes. Later -- sannse (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, man

Thanks for the welcome and comments. I got tagged for cleanup for my article, but I'm not exactly sure where I should start looking to clean it up. Any thoughts? --User:Réizàr

You'd have to ask User:DuncanDaHusky about that, since he tagged it. However, this passage does spring to mind as one example:

His most noticeable feature is the moon-and-star tattoo on the back of his left hand, but when asked for a meaning, the most one can expect of the enigmatic weretiger is a sliht shrug, not out of rudeness, but because he has yet to find an actual meaning for it beyond something he drew one day in a fit of boredom.

It's an encyclopedia article, not a MUCK character description. It could just as easily be something like "His most noticeable feature is the moon-and-star tattoo on the back of his left hand, which has no inherent meaning." There's no call to be mysterious about it. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Odd though; that's been there for a while, and I was referring to myself IRL. I'll look it over though, and think of a way to simplify it. Thanks.

--Réizàr

That's just an example of something that popped out at me. He might have been looking at at something else. Given the size of WikiFur, not all people will have read all articles, and so they may come across something that they disagree with that they'd also have disagreed with beforehand. They may also have a threshold before they actually do something about it. --GreenReaper^(talk) 02:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty big here. I'll skim over it a few more times and ask Duncan what else he thinks needs to be cleaned up. One of these days I'll get it right. Hah.

Furpile

I've noticed that sometimes the Furpile link goes unupdated, so I've been choosing articles for it. Essentially I've been clicking "Random page" until something suitable turns up. I'm only trying to keep it from going empty, so I won't update it further than a day ahead. So if you want to nominate things you still can. --Rat 04:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! As noted on the page, you can choose as many as you like at once, as long as you don't repeat stuff that's coming up or was recently requested. --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from the newbie

I just want to say thanks for correcting my spelling errors and welcoming me on my first page. Very appriciated! ~Kuzzy

Galciv

I asked you some questions on that wiki. I don't know if you check it often, so I will note it here. SleepAtWork 13:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm you are faster on checking encyclopedia dramatica than here. SleepAtWork 22:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Patience. I get watchlist emails everywhere, I just sometimes don't get around to pressing "Save page" until I have had time to give a proper response. It's only just past breakfast here. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 22:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm watchlists can send emails. SleepAtWork 23:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Watchlists can do everything! --GreenReaper^(talk) 04:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Flyers

I forgot your room number already. But I trust that you found my note about the flyers in the meetup page. I even tried looking for you for an hour. That was rather fun. Spot the norn in the furpile. And without a cell number, I couldn't directly contact you.

Anyway. See you at the meetup! ----Markus^(talk) 07:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't have a cell phone! But yes, we did indeed meetup, so that was OK. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 01:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent Changes Error?

Recent changes has the following line in it: "Below are the last 50 changes in the last 7 days, as of $3." I don't think the $3 is intentional, is it? Spaz Kitty

No, you're right - there's been something up with recent changes since the most recent upgrade. There's a bug filed for it on Wikia, it's just rather low-priority right now, especially since it's probably something that will have to be fixed in the main MediaWiki source code tree anyway. --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Brillliant Right!

http://www.truechristian.com/furriesa.html Interesting! Just wanted to see what you guys think.

It's good to see such an authoritative and popular site covering the topic! Shame about the colour scheme, but eh, what can you do? --GreenReaper^(talk) 17:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

How much of that site did you look at? Not exactly the most flattering portayal of furries. If anything, I'm glad they chose a color scheme that makes it look like an amateur rant. --mwalimu 18:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I was being sarcastic. :-) I guess I should have included the ;-) . . . --GreenReaper^(talk) 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. My bad. --mwalimu 19:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

Thanks for the warm welcome! ^-^ I thought this was the best way to display our music to the furry community! I'll be sure to ask you if i need help. Thanks again, Ether

Extinctioners at Answers.com

Hey GreenReaper, RVDDP2501 here, I just found an Extinctioners page (flawed) at Answer.com I told them about the problems and changes they could make, it looks like an original version I had at wikipedia.org (I guess they hadn't checked for updated versions) I also told them about Wikifurs version, they haven't replied yet, so what do you think - http://www.answers.com/topic/extinctioners, I mean I can't believe how my pages are spreading, you know. - RVDDP2501 19:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

They are apt to taking the contents of Wikipedia, aren't they? They do that for a lot of other articles as well - it is an automated system. I doubt they will add WikiFur to their list, though it's always a possibility. They will probably update from Wikipedia over the next few months. --GreenReaper^(talk) 19:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

yeah, your probably right, anyways if you have any ideas, suggestion, etc. about making the page(s) better, please let me know, thanks - RVDDP2501 20:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the great welcome. If there is anything that I can do to help, feel free to ask.

~Nevar

regards

Ghear maidth agus :) thank you for the welcome. I, too, joined since someone created a wiki of me and my fiance. I figured I needed to correct our wikis and make them as unbiased as possible.

Hi.

Thanks for welcoming me. I myself am a wizard at Frontier Galaxy MUCK so I figured if nothing else, it'd be my duty to correct that that little entry. Though I'm blindly stumbling through Wiki's system presently, glad I'm only editing and not adding articles, need to read a bit more before I try something like that. (And I would if I didn't have homework for a test, heh!) --Autolycus

Well, it's great that you had the time to fix it up - and should you find any more later, feel free to try your hand at making articles yourself. If it looks like you need help I'm sure one of our regular contributors will step in and lend a hand. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 07:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Extinctioners improvement

Hey GreenReaper, thanks a whole lot with the list improvement, seriously, thanks, if there is any other ideas on how to make the page(s) better, by all mean, do what you think is right. - RVDDP2501 02:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Of course. In this case I just thought it could be a little more compact before I linked it as our comic of the week. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 02:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"comic of the week"? really!, this is just about the comic or the page as well? I don't quite fully understand what you mean? please let me know, thanks - RVDDP2501 02:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Look at the bottom left of the front page. Our comics of the week can be based on various criteria, but in this case I featured it because of the extensive coverage on WikiFur. --GreenReaper^(talk) 02:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

oh, ok, I see it, sorry about that, listen I wanna ask you opinion and/or permission on something, I was planning on creating a page for a Extinctioners character called Krystin deviantart.com but I was not sure if you and/or Wikifur would approve of the pic of the character which IS a bit mature, I did an edit though in which I put a black back covering the "chest area", do you want me to upload the censored pic without making the caracter page for you to look at and decide as to whether or not it would be appropriate to make the page with the pic? - RVDDP2501 02:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and upload the original, if it is appropriate for the character. WikiFur is not censored for minors. --GreenReaper^(talk) 02:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I just uploaded the pic of Krystin, the pic name is Image:Extinctioners_cast_Krystin.jpg, please let me know what you think and if I should go ahead with this character's page, thank you - RVDDP2501 03:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems reasonable enough. Go for it! --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I though I would do the right thing and discuss this with you first about the pic before I did something that would be disapproved of by you and others at wikifur, I do not like to make mistakes, ok - RVDDP2501 03:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Listen, thanks a whole lot for removing the nude pic of Krystin, I got an e-mail from Shawntae Howard saying he would prefer I not use that pic of Krystin due to it being so mature, he said he would send me another one to use in time, so until then, I uploaded the other version of the same pic only now with a black bar covering her chest, ok, thanks for removing those pics, I couldn't figure out how to do it. (God, I hope I haven't pissed him off) - RVDDP2501 22:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. For future reference, you can always overwrite an image with a newer one by uploading a file and specifying the same destination filename, although deleting it entirely requires an administrator (and it is currently an irreversible operation). --GreenReaper^(talk) 22:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I though that was what i had done, I guess I messed up, I'm sorry to do that to you - RVDDP2501 22:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you did, too - I saw the original had a black bar on it, but perhaps you didn't notice, because soon after you uploaded a (Censored) version as well. Spaz Kitty

I think I know what happened - you uploaded it, but didn't force a refresh by going directly to the image file (not the image page) and pressing Ctrl+F5. Your computer still thought that the image was valid, as it had it cached, so it showed the uncensored version. It's often a problem for new wiki founders who add logos, as it looks like it's not changing, even though it is. --GreenReaper^(talk) 22:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Any ways, long story short, thanks for removing the pic and I hope I don't make the same mistake again, thank you. - RVDDP2501 22:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

sorry, forget previous post, prolem fixed itself, sorry - RVDDP2501 17:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

(sic)

oh, my bad, man. i didn't know. thanks for telling me :) by the way, that article, Wolfie, isn't about me. Wolfie 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Meep

So, uh, I like, decided to add stuff cuz people I knew/knew of weren't on here, and uh.... seems they think I put too much D8

I -was- careful to put only stuff I knew was publically visible, and I did add a bit more than I thought was needed, cuz I thought anyone concerned with privacy, like say other wiki contributors, would be like "Hmm maybe you should delete that"
instead of suddenly "OMG stalkers! everywhere! nuuuuu!" o.o; This really upset me cuz they're people I interact with at least on occasion, and I value their opinion, so having them think I'm crazy(er)...
I didn't tell anyone cuz I wanted a "professional" distance, if they knew I was doing it... well, "the observer changes the observed".

And honestly, I didnt -try- that hard, maybe an hour on each person... after all it's wiki and can be edited later... and I was mostly tryin to just sketch their persona since it's in their ART so much y'know ._.

Anyway I explained myself some on Seel's talk page, because I want to make everyone as happy as possible.

PS- I'd be willing to have anything I do "depersonalized" but won't do it myself if it makes it look like I'm just covering my ass. Of course, yeah, it's a wiki and past changes can be viewed...

--BennuTeomabar 16:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I think the invididual involved is being a little out of line. Basically they're complaining because you reposted some information that was publically available. It seems to me that their worldview is that nobody should be allowed to talk about anybody else. We don't subscribe to that view here. :-) --Douglas Muth 16:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikifur news

I couldn't figure out how to add a news item. :/ I thought the passing of Peter S. Beagle's mother (Peter being the author of The Last Unicorn) might be of note to some furry fans. I just received word from Beagle's newsletter and it pointed to this page ... http://www.conlanpress.com/html/rebecca_beagle.html --Chibiabos

To post a news item, you create the link to the template as you did (preferably in a preview first), then make the page that it links to, and add a link to that page to Template:Newsbar and the WikiFur:Community Central page.

However, I would have to say that I would not really agree with posting it as news on WikiFur. Wikipedia used to have the somewhat pithy phrase "It's sad when people die, but Wikipedia is not the place to honor them," and I feel this is true for WikiFur as well. People (particularly the mothers and fathers of the older people in the fandom) die all the time.

While the death of a person already relevant to WikiFur just for being in the fandom is a fact that should go on the the page about them, it is not site news. Moreover, all previous news items have been directly related to WikiFur. If it had been someone of major relevance to the fandom I might have thought differently - say, Uncle Kage, or maybe, at a stretch, Grandma Kage (who is relevant enough to have a page, but not much of one yet). However, we don't even have an entry on Peter yet, let alone his mother. We're not a furry news aggregator, and this doesn't really seem to count as furry news as much as a personal loss. --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Multiple edits

I really apologize for all the edits, I'm new to any sort of wiki, so I'm just trying to get it as perfect as possible XD --Nekonaru Letao

It's no real problem. Perfection is an admirable goal to have. :-) Oh, one more tip - you can sign your name on talk pages with ~~~, or ~~~~ to get the date as well. It helps people reading to see who said what! --GreenReaper^(talk) 01:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Minor Bug on Recent Changes page

Howdy! I just noticed a small bug on the Recent Changes page. At the top of the page (at least according my my preferences), it reads:

Below are the last 200 changes in the last 7 days, as of $3.

I'm thinking that that "$3" is a variable that isn't being called correctly. It's obviously a minor thing, but something I thought might be a quick fix if you've got the permissions.----DuncanDaHusky^(talk) 16:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. It's been like that since we upgraded to 1.7 alpha. It's a known bug, but it was low priority for the Wikia guys. I'll have a chat with them and see if it's a quick fix. If not, it can be removed by editing MediaWiki:Rcnote. --GreenReaper^(talk) 16:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you help?

On furluminati, Spirou constantly vandalizes the article, but no matter what I put he reverts me back to his version (and he has not even corrected the grammar/spelling errors in it). I have tried and tried to please him, but I've seen his type and they just revert nonstop as they like--just like willy on wheels likes to move pages to "on wheels" and others like to blank pages, Spirou gets his vandalism high from reverting. I keep trying to please him, but obviously he is just out to cause trouble by revert vandalism. I have put hours and hours into fixing it up and he does not care. Spirou is not here to fix anything, he is just to harass me by reverting anything I do on the article, even fixing his grammar. SleepAtWork 02:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing GreenReaper is away right now. Have either of you heard of the three revert rule on Wikipedia? I think it can apply here on WikiFur too. I'll block for 24 hours if I see a violation of the three revert rule from either of you. --Rat 03:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Spirou will then just revert 3 times a day, but still vandalize. Also on wikipedia reverting vandalism doesn't count toward 3RR. SleepAtWork 03:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I was away for a half-hour, but I am back right now. While the three revert rule is not a rule on WikiFur at this time, its rationale is sound. Page edits should not turn into revert wars. I am looking more carefully at the edits made to see what to suggest in this particular circumstance. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Spirou isn't trying to edit, just revert. SleepAtWork 03:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I said, I'm looking. Patience, please. :-) I would also suggest that you focus on the edits, rather than the person behind them. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

His last edit was a revert again, but he changed some words and acted like it wasn't. SleepAtWork 03:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You locked the article on Spirou's version and he's the cause.  :( SleepAtWork 04:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Page protection is used to prevent further edits while the situation is delt with. It does not express a preference for the version that happens to be protected. --GreenReaper^(talk) 04:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

What was the killhamster article here?

You said: "I would note that the article about "killhamster", whose article was used as a reference, was deleted, twice, for being totally full of nonsense added by himself and his friends."

I referenced his livejournal and the edit dispute in the LJ was talking about on ED. Umm... did he make an article on wikifur? SleepAtWork 09:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. It was at various times a duplicate of User:Killhamster on ED, and/or random nonsense. --GreenReaper^(talk) 09:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

*Waves.*

Thanks for leaving me a note. I've meant to put the link to the Eurofurence LJ instead of the website, I guess I was distracted when I added "Eurofurence" to the list. :B Sorry.

No problem!

I tried to reply to you using the "send mail" option, but apparently I have to get a confirmation code, and while I tried a couples of times, it never seems to reach me. It's not in my "spam" box either, so I was wondering if something was broken on Wikifur's side, or what should I do.

Not sure about that. It should come from jasonr@wikia.com, if that helps.

Okay, I made a research in my mailbox AND spambox, and I've never received any e-mail from this addy. I don't know what's wrong, it just doesn't seem to send me anything when I ask for a confirmation code.

Also, and this may sound like a very stupid question, but.. I was wondering how to create articles here? I've only found help to edit existing articles; reading the artists pages I noticed some less-well known artists as well, as if they or someone had created a page about them, but I'm not sure the admins themselves did, and I can't find how to start a page from scratch in the help pages. Is it a privilege-thing or did I miss the option or an help page somewhere? Is it related to the fact I haven't entered any confirmation code yet (see first issue in paragraph above)?

There are several ways that (I think they're on Help:Editing) - try to go to a page with the search box and click the red link when you don't find it, make a link in an existing page (or in a preview) and click on it, or just change the URL to the appropriate one and click edit this page. It is something anyone can do (even anonymous users) and is not related to email confirmation. --GreenReaper^(talk) 17:12, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Ooh okay, thanks for our help! by the way, do you see my signature when I reply (as in, my username and link to "talk" and such) or do I have to add it manually?

No, you need to add it with ~~~~ (or ~~~ to just add the name). --GreenReaper^(talk) 16:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Person exclusion without current article

Within the last few minutes I've had the misfortune of encountering a situation with which I've had no prior experience -- an unregistered user has removed a single name from the Category:People/People to add page. I had reverted the change once and the same IP has made the change again. I've now left a message on their talk page about removing information without reason and a link to our personal information policy. I then reverted the change again. I think that the specificity of these edits might indicate that this IP is of the person concerned and I would greatly appreciate advice on how to procede if they should decide to edit the page again without providing more information to us. -- DeVandalizer 19:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

In this specific case, I don't think there's a real problem with removing names on the People to add list. It actually saves time over us having to go through the process of excluding an article later (unless someone makes it via another link). There's not much "information" in just a name. :-)

In general, there's no need to tell people they're going to be banned for removing stuff in the first instance, except in very bad situations. Assume good faith - chances are, they are that person, and are just not particularly interested in having an article. Be welcoming, and then you will probably get a better response from that person (and they will have a better impression of WikiFur, so we avoid situations like this). --GreenReaper^(talk) 20:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see my response on my User talk:DeVandalizer, I watch talk pages that I edit (no need to copy discussion) :) -- DeVandalizer 06:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

New Featured Article

I wouldn't mind taking over the duty of writing the summary for featured articles for this week. I looked for something to write about but I can't really find any consensus on the featured article candidates page. What articles would you suggest? -- DeVandalizer 05:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that you have a look at some of the long pages and see if there are any on there that have not been featured. Longness in and of itself is not a sign of greatness, but articles should have some length to be featured, so it's a good start. Once you think you've found a good choice, try to condense the gist of it down into three or four fairly short paragraphs, with appropriate links to other articles, and replace the redirect with it. Have a look at last week's examples of formatting and linking. And good luck! --GreenReaper^(talk) 05:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Code error, etc.

Couple of things...One, on both the WikiFur homepage and your talk page, <div style="clear:both"/> appears. Two, Talk:SCHLITZER is a leftover from the Crabs crabs crabs! x 50 vandal that previously redirected to my talk page - not sure if you saw that all the way back in recent changes (I've been boredly busy today XD). Spaz Kitty 02:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I've had a chat with the Wikia admins and this is a temporary error in the MediaWiki version that they are testing. I've replaced it with the equivalent (but working) <div style"clear:both"></div> in those two places. If there are other pages affected, they should be fixed after the testing concludes. It looks like Sine got the other problem. --GreenReaper^(talk) 03:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi GreenReaper, thanks forleaving a note on my talk page. Lilim 04:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me delete the left over pages from the recent vandalism. It's much appreciated :) -- DeVandalizer 23:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Seemed like a similar pattern to last time. If it happens again I'll get the staff to do a checkuser to get their IP and see if we can do a range block. --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. I saw the user page creation in recent changes and I had some inkling something was going to go down -- the pattern was far too similar. -- DeVandalizer 23:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Google Analytics Stats

Any chance you could sign me up to access wikifur's stats on google analytics? -- DeVandalizer 00:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, if you tell me your GMail or Google Account address, either here or privately. --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, my gmail account is devandalizer@gmail.com -- DeVandalizer 00:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. You may access the statistics here. --GreenReaper^(talk) 00:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I am in. Thank you. -- DeVandalizer 00:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Categorization

I'm curious - why remove the Category:Werewolf characters from the article about you? We generally apply it to articles about people whose fursonas are the appropriate "species", although not if there is a separate article about the character under a different name. --GreenReaper^(talk) 08:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel that the term "Character" applies really. It insinuates that my werewolf side is a fabrication, whereas that is how I see myself spiritually and have done for a very long time.

The only characters I have are Thalyi and Boswell, they have always been pure fabrications and are the only ones I "play". Simply put, I am Graafen.

I hope this isn't too confusing. If it's needed then I will replace the category.

Graafen Blackpaw 15:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. We tend not to try and force categories on people that they feel are inappropriate, unless there's a good reason for believing otherwise. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 15:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, could you remove my article? I've moved all the info to my User page instead. The only reason it was there as an article anyway was a mistake. XD -- Graafen Blackpaw 15:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused - it's an article about you, isn't it? It seems to be written neutrally in the third person. That would suggest that it should be at Graafen Blackpaw, not User:Graafen Blackpaw. You can see the difference at GreenReaper and User:GreenReaper - the first page is the one about me, while the second is the one from me. That is also why the {{Contributor}} tag has a link to your user page, because it's meant to be used in the main namespace (it is bold currently because you're already on that page).

When moving articles you should also use the Move tab, so that it preserves the history of article edits. --GreenReaper^(talk) 16:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I think I'm the more confused, but I get what you mean now. I've put everything back as it was. Dumb moment. -- Graafen Blackpaw 16:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, no problem. That's one reason wikis are great - it's easy to change things back, just click the old revision in the history, click edit, type a summary explaining the change and save.

Our main reasoning for having people in the main namespace is so that it's much easier for people to find and link to them there - and they're valid topics, so they shouldn't be shuffled off to another namespace. It also encourages neutral writing, which might be less so if people had the "main" articles about them on their user page, the content of which is traditionally at the user's discretion (unless there are major problems with it, in which case there's historically been major problems with the user as well :-). --GreenReaper^(talk) 16:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Combine or seperate an article on furry novel and film?

Hi there GreenReaper. I've just bought and watched the German animated film Felidae and I have just gone to add a wikifur article on this excellent film. However, I found that in the movies list Felidae is already there - but it is actually the novel (on which the film was based), not the film that the article is about. So my question is, should there be two articles: one for Felidae the film and one for Felidae the novel, or should they be combined into one article? The link to the article is here: http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Felidae_%28novel%29

I would suggest that if you think that the film is a faithful adaption of the novel then you keep it in one page, but maybe move it to a more appropriate title using the Move tab. Not sure what that title should be, though - maybe Felidae (fiction), as that covers both novel and film? If they diverge significantly I would make a Felidae (film) about it and link the two. You should update the disambiguation page, Felidae, with whatever you do. --GreenReaper^(talk) 01:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok then. I was already planning to buy the book, so I'll update the page once I've read the Felidae the novel.