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Before we delete anything

I haven't (yet) read about "Chibiabos' intellectual property", but I don't think we can delete pages simply because he says so. WikiFur:Copyrights explicitly states that the license, once granted, cannot be retracted. And since the editing box states that all contributions are considered to be "released under the GNU Free Documentation License", I think that firmly establishes the license which applies to the text. --Douglas Muth 02:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

For what i have read, their are just his personal created Fursonas, which should have been on his main article anyways to begin with, and would have been probably asked to do so eventually. Nothing relevant to furry fandom per se without the his (now protected) main article online. If you think anything of it is worthwhile towards maintaining any of it for historical, purposes, I , or somebody else, may revert SpD
Or we could open the "Chibiabos" article, add these loose fursonas inside it under a "--Chibiabos' fursonas--" section, and reprotect the main article again? Spirou 03:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Right as you wrote that, I looked through some of those articles myself and yeah, they're just his characters. I wouldn't have any major obections if they went buh-bye. Maybe we should probably replace them with #REDIRECTs to the main article on Chibiabos to keep anyone else from creating articles about those characters.
BTW, there's some discussion of this on IRC if you're interested/able to stop by. --Douglas Muth 03:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I just logged back from work,... accessed IRC but looks like everybody is either AFK, or private messaging. As for the these articles, I guess we can reach a concensus later. GreenReaper its got a point that we don't have to just jump the gun on these kinds of decisions Spirou 04:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
We were in #wikifur - I think you dropped into #wikifur-edits by mistake. It's mostly done now, though, so I wouldn't worry about it. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 04:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
doh, as usual,... Thanks for the info, nonetheless =) Spirou 04:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
As the articles are about roleplayed characters with distinct identities, histories, species, et cetera, I support keeping them and keeping them as separate articles. -- Sine 04:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a IMHO suggestion. If leaving them up, would be it better separated as they are know, or unified in a single article with different sections, and finally linked to the "Chibiabos" article? Spirou 05:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism, my ass

First of all, my removal of those personally idenfiable details are not vandalism. Second, I will not stop removing them. So, you know, stop wasting your time, furfag. --72.160.101.152 07:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism is perhaps not the best word for it. "Trying to hide from the consequences of your past actions"? Regardless, you've obviously not convinced people that they should do what you want. I suggest you figure out a way to do that.
As for removals - we've got all day here. There are also a lot more of us. It is our site. We have site protection extensions sufficient to handle a full Something Awful or proxy-using account-registering bot attack. I fear it is you who will be wasting your time - or worse, bringing the attention of sites like ED to that which you are trying to conceal. I'm sure you know how these things can go, and I don't think that would be a favourable outcome. --GreenReaper(talk) 07:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

%$#@&*^% IRC,...

Need to find a good Mac OSX IRC program >=( Spirou 05:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

How about Colloquy? I've been using it for awhile. --Douglas Muth 13:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Had IRCle for years, but it's kind of bombing on my 15' MacBook Pro laptop (maybe Rosseta?,)... I downloaded a few OSX IRC programs, including your suggestion, so I will choose the one that doesn't blow up on my face Xp Spirou 16:00, 17 October 2006 (PDT)


Phillip M. Jackson article

Ah, my bad then. I couldn't see any obvious connection to the article's subject on the page that was linked to, and 88.96.32.14's original edits ([1]) didn't look they were trying to make a serious addition to the entry. I've unblocked the IP address. --Higgs Raccoon 09:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem ^-^ All thought a valid attempt to add a missing link, as I stated, it could or could not be Mr. Jackson. If said person misbehaves in the future, well, thenI'm the fool in this situation =/ (Thank you for responding so fast!) Spirou 09:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


Mellis article

I reverted it, as the information you added have nothing to do with Mellis. He doesn't own that in Second Life, and that's not his blog. :) Arcturus 08:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

If you don't wish us to get the impression that these two "Mellis" are the same, you don't add a link of the bottom of the page at http://www.pleasedontsue.com/wtfur/ that indicates "Header Art by Mellis," which directs to a page own by somebody name "Mellis," Has you can see by both your responses, it can lead to some confusion Spirou 17:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Mellis thread

Being that I AM Mellis, I'd ask you to at least learn something about me before editing my entry.

I'm not Kemru, thank you very much. I have no idea where the heck you got this idea.

Please check your facts instead of making things up. This is not the first time this has happened, you've made up facts on the Wtfur entry as well that were blatantly untrue. It reflects very poorly on you.

First, who is Kemru? (I didn't write concerning anybody by such name, if so indicate where so I could see where the problem is.Two) If Arturus has a link of the bottom of the page at http://www.pleasedontsue.com/wtfur/ that indicates "Header Art by Mellis," which directs to a page own by somebody name "Mellis"(*), you conclude that both "Mellis" are the same.
If not, you point calmly that both these link persons are not the same Spirou 17:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
"Please check your facts instead of making things up". I do "This is not the first time this has happened, you've made up facts on the Wtfur entry as well that were blatantly untrue. It reflects very poorly on you." see below
Actually, everything that I wrote down was accurate (I did not say Palcomix was the first cub thread, it was the one the attracted the most flak, and yes I was aware about the rest of the cub threads, but, again the Palcomix one was the one people complained the most, enough to attract the attention of CYD, enough to make a "Controversy" section about it.)
But thank you for enhancing the WTF, your help adding to articles is appreciated ^-^ Spirou 17:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually that link goes to Kemru's site. Nowhere on the site linked did it even mention Mellis, and I have no idea where you got the Second Life stuff from. The link to Kemru's site was separate from the declaration I did the header pic - though they're close to each other on the page they have nothing to do with each other.

On the wtfur article, you had written: "When several more threads with alleged "cub porn" were created, the administrators final position/word on the matter was that" Giving the impression to readers that the Palcomix thread was the FIRST cub thread, and that it's cretion is what prompted the page's stance on cub art, when in fact this stance was in place since day one. It's extremely misleading.

Not to mention after talking to Greenreaper about how the entire section should be changed to general controversy and wasn't a well written section, you have gone and changed it back. Thanks for that.

Well, that could be my fault 50% there, Mellis, if I followed a link that indicates that's for your website, and ends up on the mentioned link, I would assume it's Mellis' website, and add the extra pertinent information there to indicate, for example that, Mellis likes SL. If the link Arcturus posted was wrong, them, yes, the information I posted was wrong, it gets pointed out, and fixed, that's all.
I should have clarify more about the Palcomix thread not being the first one, just the fist one to garner enough attention to add to it's Controversy section, but you helped enhanced the article, as all articles are not set on stone
And finally, Yes, I made a mistake on the Mellis article based on a wrong linked. I apologize for that, and have changed to reflect that Spirou 18:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Formal Apology to artist Melly from Spirou

Sorry about getting the wrong information based on a wrong link, and apologies for then temporarily omitting valid information on the same article (reverted back.)

Please, it was not my intend to anger or start a fight you, I don't hold a grudge against you because I was wrong, and you pointed so. As other editors can attest, I try (try) not to make enemies on Wikifur. This is being a (not so funny) comedy of errors. Please accept my apology Spirou 18:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah, we're cool now. Just check sources a little better in the future =)
Will do. Truly, as several editors here can attest, I don't like to antagonize anybody here,... If I make a mistake, please do let me know,... and thanks ^-^ Spirou 18:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Weeeee,...

Well, this was an interesting way to start the weekend (Ha!, who needs coffee anyway!) Spirou 18:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL wtf?

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Confirm or Deny

You made two claims that don't seem to stand up to examination. Both these seem verifiably false, but since you made the claim, you probably have some verification. As such, can you provide it for these?

1) Peter Schorn (Hangdog) is Starless and Bible Black on Portal of Evil.

2) Burned Fur, as a group, ever actually threatened anyone. 66.88.135.150

A) "Peter Schorn (Hangdog) is Starless and Bible Black on Portal of Evil." A little behind edits, are we?. Mitch already graciously pointed out about a month ago that it was actually Stukafox the person behind those aliases,...
B)"Burned Fur, as a group, ever actually threatened anyone." Never made that statement. You should recheck the history log, as you could have seen that it was in fact Xydexx who entered that information... 13 months ago.
C)...and, since, you have a particular personal interest on my persona, may I ask who am I directing myself to?. "User:66.88.135.150" is such an impersonal name to have a conversation with =) Spirou 20:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
You are still linking Hangdog to Starless and Bible Black in this entry: Hangdog (External Links)
In the discussion for Burned Fur you claimed, or appeared to claim, you had information releating to threats made by Burned Fur:
Yes, and when I (or somebody elese) gets around to continue work in the article, you may able to read about it, until then, there will be a dearth of data regarding this particular point in the afore mentioned article, so I suggest the use of web search engines =)
Did I missread this? It appears you are saying that you have direct information about such threats. Again, in the absence of evidence, the claim Burned Fur made threats should be removed.
733 at your service, but I really don't have a personal interest in you as much as what you've been writing.
"You are still linking Hangdog to Starless and Bible Black in this entry: Hangdog (External Links)" Oops, corrected. Yes, they hangdog=Bible Black was a case of mistaking two articles together, which Mitch corrected (forgot to transfer that link you pointed out. and I need to clean those to articles later.)
"In the discussion for Burned Fur you claimed, or appeared to claim, you had information releating to threats made by Burned Fur: 'Yes, and when I (or somebody elese) gets around to continue work in the article, you may able to read about it, until then, there will be a dearth of data regarding this particular point in the afore mentioned article, so I suggest the use of web search engines =).' Did I missread this? It appears you are saying that you have direct information about such threats."
No, no you got it right,... the whole Burned Fur article is one major @#@%*&! (mess) of an article, and in need of some serious cleaning. Yes, as I said on the talk page, I was going to add some of the threats that were thrown around (plus two posts "inferring" that "actual" physical contact had occurred,) but not before some semblance of an orderly article was set up first (I just started last week by removing the Burned Fur Manifesto so it becomes its own stand-alone article.)
Hmm, right of the blue, without my notes at home, the only threat I can recall out of hand would be the one where Clint Forrester threatened publicly to smash Xydexx head through a wall (he did kind of apologize later, if I recall.) So, in brief, somebody did mentioned that there was some threats from BFs to nonBFs, somebody asked for proof, I said I would put some up later when the article was in better shape. But directly stating that "threat" fact on the first place, no quite. Does this answer your inquiries?.
"733 at your service,"... Uh, Oh, well, at least is easier to pronounce Spirou 21:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I guess so. I have a two questions. First, is this correct?
A contributor to the Portal of Evil's forums for almost 10 years (under the "Starless" and "Bible Black" aliases,) he announced in February 2006 his intention to officially separate himself from further participation on POE's debate area[1]. The reason behind it was a thread involving political matters regarding the nuclear tensions between Iran and the USA during the spring of 2006[2]. This "decision" lasted less than a week before he returned to the forums.
Did he post again? I looked at his posting history and he hasn't posted since the post you quoted. You seem to suggest his post was a ploy and that he didn't really leave. Can you back this up?
The second question is more general, but what does this really have to do with Wikifur and furry in general? The guy was a furry, he posted on another message board, and then he left. I'm not seeing the connection between Wikifur and this "controversy". Has he posted other places? If so, should those be included too?
On the Burned Fur item: was Clint representing Burned Fur when he threatend Xydex? Was he stating some Burned Fur policy of Xydexx bashing? Otherwise, it seems like this is an unfair attempt at guilt by association. Again, unless you're willing to back up the claim that Burned Fur as an organization ever made threats, that claim should be removed. 733 17:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, that last paragraph was a leftover from the "Hangdog" article,... Thank you for pointing it out, will correct it,... Actually:

"What does this really have to do with Wikifur and furry in general?,"... looking at it again, you are correct,... Outside the "Handog" article context, not much really. Will delete that section, if some other editor feels that that's too drastic, or there's a reason to keep, please feel free to revert it.

"On the Burned Fur item: was Clint representing Burned Fur when he threatend Xydex?,"... Hmm, that's a subject that it's still up for discussion,... there are a lot of people pro and con about the matter, and it will probably will be discussed in length as soon as this article is finally finished, formatted, wikified and referenced (This is one heck of a clean-up mess, and I got my plate full for the moment Xp) Spirou 20:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Template suggestions

I agree with Duncandahusky idea for a slower "review" version to the "Speedydelete" tag (Template:Proposed deletion,) but, in reference to the section I'm about to delete from the "stukafox" article, would a "speedydelete" tag for sections make sense (Template:Speedydelete-section,) to give editors time to evaluate the merit of the removal?

Uh, busy day, Gents?,...

Looks like, as usual, they didn't leave a lasting impression,... =/ Superb job by Admins and Editors, though =) Spirou 06:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The net result is that Tor is no longer a viable route of vandalism. --GreenReaper(talk) 06:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I gather that Tor is some kind of Anon Proxy service/program?,... Hmm, so much trouble for something it will be just reverted on the fly,... Whatever floats their boats, thou Spirou 07:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Something like that. The problem comes when they try to sink ours. I don't want our admins to be stuck bailing out spam all the time. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 07:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Hotelyorba.jpg

Hello Spirou,

This is in regards to Image:Hotelyorba.jpg. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia Image use policy may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

  • If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
  • If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
    • Logos: {{logo}}
    • Covers: {{Cover}}
    • Comic panels: {{Comic-panel}}
  • If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
  • If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any administrator

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see Category:Image copyright tags If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --Rat 05:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Sibe.png

Hello Spirou,

This is in regards to Image:Sibe.png. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia Image use policy may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

  • If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
  • If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
    • Logos: {{logo}}
    • Covers: {{Cover}}
    • Comic panels: {{Comic-panel}}
  • If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
  • If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any administrator

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see Category:Image copyright tags If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --Rat 08:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I didn't see the previous message in your archives. I don't think it's compatible with our policies without a copyright status, but I'll wait to see if there's any objection. --Rat 09:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The image is a crop from one of the many dozens of Macro created during the week Sibe was incarcerated. I f we have a (C) problem with this one, a "public" available, civilian image of Sibe is available, part of a request for his official, non (C) beholden "mugshot" from the Police department/unit that booked him the last time. Spirou 10:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Furry" article blanking

I don't want to be associated with "furries" or have my name listed on the NIU Wiki. -Atmotas

Fair enough Spirou 23:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Great job with cleaning up!

Thanks for cleaning up this current blanking storm... I'm letting you handle it to avoid edit conflicts, unless you think it is better for two people to work...

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