Talk:Steve Martin

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Reference verification[edit]

-The information veracity of the section "controversy" has been confirmed by Steve Martin's present room mates, Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spirou (talkcontribs) 02:44, 11 July 2006 .

This means nothing to me. Just because Steve's friends are backing him on this fabrication, doesn't make it true. These stories are falsifications. SiriusKarma 07:32, 26 November 2013
Wrong. And who the heck are you to contradict Ground Zero confirmation of the data?. Unless Steve has a secret basement were you have taken residence and and thus be able to counter argue the points, this is just your opinion,... and opinions are not facts. "This means nothing to me". Knock yourself silly with that train of thought, bud.
(What the hey brought this on?. Welcome to seven years ago, lad). - Spirou 05:26, 26 November 2013 (EST)

Reference verification II[edit]

-Dmuth, GreenReaper's can vouch that the information I have written is accurate, from the customs, slips, talks to his room mates, WB notes on the Tiny Toon fiasco., etc,... Will leave the "Citation" tags until Green can confirm to ypu that the information is accurate Spirou 04:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It is my belief that Spirou is in a position to make assertions on behalf of Doug Winger and Bob Guthrie. Such assertions should, of course, be attributed to them, but if you trust them to be telling the truth, you should probably trust this information. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
According to this Furry Database and matches on his IP between edits here and posts on, Spirou is Bob Guthrie. Why this name game of acting like he's someone else on edits concerning himself or people he's immediately familiar with? This comes across as disingenuous. -- 18:14, 17 October 2006

Name game?,... all my friends and aquiantances know that that is my (so called) "furry" name, if not, I would not have added to the Furry Database,... =/ Actually, I could had that bit of information... Spirou 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"This comes across as disingenuous,"... Hmm, to really be disingenuous in this case would have been to use this "name" to sanitize the article, and actually not add a "Controversy" section, or expand on it everything Steve did wrong on the interview /=) Spirou 23:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps GreenReaper was unaware that Spirou and Bob Guthrie were the same person? I can tell you that I personally was unaware of this until you just pointed it out. --Douglas Muth 18:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

No, GreenReaper knows who I'm (heck, I had to come out at front who I was so I could backed up those assertions.) I just don't mix RL names with Fur names while working on the Wikifur Spirou 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
No, GreenReaper just wanted to preserve the right for people to contribute under a pseudonym which is not widely known, as certain others members of WikiFur do. :-)
There is an argument for requiring people to create a separate account for such assertions. One alternative I also suggested was to post in a publicly-verifiable LiveJournal. --GreenReaper(talk) 19:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Or tell the owner of the Wiki directly ^-^ Spirou 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The main issue with just telling me things is that people then have to rely on my word. "Because GreenReaper says so" is not an ideal basis for reference, especially if I can't say why I say it. Besides, we're all owners, here! :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 23:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, no, no, sorry, I meant on relation to the Steve Martin article: "GreenReaper: How can you verify this?" "Bob Guthrie: Uh, because I'm Robert M. Guthrie, Steve room mate." Spirou 23:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The main issue was whether or not I could then repeat that to other people.
  • If I can't tell them why you have the authority to make assertions (which is what I assumed), then they have to trust that I have what they would consider a good reason.
  • If I can tell them, then there's not much point in going via me - other than to have me verify your identity through some means not available to them - as you can just state the information yourself.
This is one reason why Wikipedia does not use such assertions: because they do not have the resources to verify their contributors' identities (let alone the fact that experts aren't always right). --GreenReaper(talk) 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see the validity of that argument regarding the veracity of the source when presented this way. Will present proof of future needs of reference under my own name, then, instead of my Wiki one (Spirou, from secondary work station) -- 00:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That's good enough for me, I just wanted to make sure that we had a reference there. I see that the article was updated with references, and that looks fine to me! --Douglas Muth 13:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


The article says that Steve is known for his "extreme adult themed content", but given the gamut of popular furry art (FChan, FurAffinity, etc.), most of his work is far from the extreme. It goes as far as light BDSM, TF, and TG, but that's it. The description is too relative. Maybe mention specific content instead (occasional shemale/herm characters and light bdsm)? Trickster Wolf 21:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)