Talk:Babyfur/Babyfur Public Behavior Guidelines

Is this guide posted somewhere else? It seems there should be a link to the original document from the Babyfur entry and not a listing of the whole thing without any outside reference. 733 20:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. We should have an external link to the original article and just an abstract on it here. --Douglas Muth 20:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

We're about to lose it's location as it was attached to the files section of our mailing list on SmartGroups which a) is closing service at the end of november and b) was not accessible to all members of our community in that location. Also by placing it here, it's accessible for other's to find and review and allows others in the BF community after Orca and I a central place to modify the document. Swift Fox 20:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand your situation, but WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider. This isn't a WikiFur specific thing, most encyclpediac wikis are this way, including WikiPedia.

That being said, there are places out there that offer really cheap webspace. If you need some kind of collaberation system on top of that, please contact me privately and we can discuss some options. --Douglas Muth 21:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, okay. I wasn't 100% clear on how best to utilize or contribute to the Wiki. It seemed the BPBG would make a good appendix item to link to the main article. I'll delete the information here and remove the link from the main Babyfur wiki-page. I'm not sure how to remove this entry in it's entirety though? Swift Fox 21:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I think an admin has to do it Simba B 21:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct. I don't intend on deleting the (blank) page quite yet. It's only been a few hours and I'd like to let others comment in case they have anything to add. --Douglas Muth 22:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd note that WikiFur:About suggests that WikiFur is for recording any information that might be useful to the fandom. I don't see how this necessarily contradicts having a copy of the information here. If this is an important document relating to the conduct of the Babyfur community over a significant period of time, perhaps we should store a copy? I don't think it should be the only copy, but it would be nice to have a backup of such things. Most encyclopedias do not have the option of storing original texts because they simply don't have enough room to do so, or cannot obtain licensing. --GreenReaper^(talk) 22:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think your comment on encycloedpias not having enough room to store original text is my main point of concern here. Because if we say it's okay to copy (verbatim) a certain piece of text, then we have an obligation to say that it is okay to copy every piece of text, no? Going down that path would pretty turn us into a webspace provider, wouldn't it?

We could pick and choose, just as we do with some article areas already. For example, we don't store information on every song - only the ones that have particular notability and relevance to furry fandom - but for some of those we do hold complete lyrics. I'm thinking stuff like the Burned Fur manifesto would be particularly useful (though getting Squee Rat's permission for that particular item could be tricky). One requirement might be that there is already a significant article about the topic, and another might be that contributors generally agree that it is a relevant work. --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as concerns about it disappearing, given the size of the babyfur community (and the number of free web hosts out there), I don't see this as something that is likely to happen anytime soon. Thoughts? --Douglas Muth 22:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, WikiFur isn't just for "soon". What happens in 5 years when Geocities is down, and all the babyfurs have been killed off by the Giant Diaper Rash of '08? I've seen too many free hosts destroy useful sites from the Creatures community to entrust documents to them, or to archive.org's fickle choice. :-) --GreenReaper^(talk) 23:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not in favour of having copies of actual texts here, both because it doesn't seem to fit very well with being a wiki--the idea is to be freely editable, but the idea of storing texts would be to have an unaltered copy of things. Also, and to be a significant point, having actual texts (or other material) here would encourage discussion on that material itself, and I think that isn't useful; we're not primarily a forum. -- Sine 01:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

So, umm, I still see this wiki-page is in existance and I appreciate GreenReeper's support for the document to be listed as an appendix to the Babyfurs Wiki-page. I think the page as it was, has been lost in the histories, but it's easy enough to recreate. If I need to gather support from members of the community that it's important to the community that the Public Behavior Guidelines be recorded here I can do that fairly easily. Having them here will definately increase traffic as we can point new babyfurs here to get completely up to speed on our group, including how we expect them to behave. Swift Fox 16:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)