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2014-01-15T23:48:43Z

Zidonuke:

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== Doridian ==

I removed the reference that Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. They are in fact, two different people. To see a WikiFur Administrator adding patent nonsense to a BLP is utterly disgusting. Spirou would be well advised to withdraw until he gets his facts straight. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 11:25, 11 January 2014 (EST)
:The removal has been reverted has I left out the reference text clipping on the desktop (thanks for the heads up). And thank for your post has, as I was able to further research the Doridian links, which let me to the necessary links to ref his professional involvement with [http://www.pokemon-world-online.net Pokémon World Online] (PWO), and his subsequent hack of the game. The '''Crashdoom''' name, though, was not added, as all references to Crashdoom<>Zidonuke are not there, or strong enough to support this claim. Thank you again to pointing out that the reference links were not present. Quite an "oopsie". =) - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:26, 11 January 2014 (EST)
::I'm again removing this content as there is no proof that Zidonuke is Doridian, all links provided are pure speculation and drama. Can you provide concrete evidence to the contrary? Nothing you've posted proves anything. "WikiFur is not a place to hurt people. Malicious edits, hate speech, et al is not welcome here. '''Stick to the facts!'''". Also, despite it being a guideline, [[WikiFur:Notability,_verifiability,_and_original_research|WF:NVOR]] [[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 16:43, 11 January 2014 (EST)
:::Revert. Reporting somebody's deeds are is not "maliciously hurting them". And locked for the weekend b4 another ad naseum edit warring (same players, surprise). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:26, 11 January 2014 (EST)
::::Spirou, none of the references you have provided give *any* evidence that Zidonuke (A US Citizen) is Doridian (A German Citizen). In fact, the citations you have provided give conflicting information which is all in the eye of the person who wrote it, those persons include random users on the Internet who have no more credibility than your local tabloids. I would go on further to point out that most of the citations provided openly state that the connection is mere speculation. Hence, it would be a misrepresentation of the sources to state the connection as fact while using those sources as justification. Ergo: If I run around stating that I think Spirou and Greenreaper are same person using enough aliases, it doesn’t make it any more of a fact and your unwillingness to consider the possibility that you are mistaken is not healthy for a project like WikiFur. I must ask you to reconsider your position in the interest of maintaining the high standards of factual correctness that WikiFur strives to achieve.

::::In the interests of accuracy, the most which could be accurately stated on the article is that there has been ‘’speculation’’ that Doridian and Zidonuke may be pseudonyms of the same individual. This I would be perfectly fine with despite knowing otherwise, however to state it as a definitive fact is not only incorrect but also far beyond the scope of any information available. Given that all four citations you have listed also provide ‘’’conflicting’’’ speculation, one saying Doridian is Zidonuke’s partner, the other saying they ran a server together (but weren’t the same person), one saying they might be the same individual – Surely it can be deduced that the topic is contentious, without any real proof nor consensus from the internet community. So if the internet community is yet to settle on a position on this topic how is it that someone in your position can make an instant ruling that you are correct and that everyone else is wrong, despite having no personal contact with the subject matter? It’s kind of like a fitness instructor writing physics papers, they might look good, but they simply won’t add up.

::::Furthermore, I am troubled by your remarks and behaviour on this page yet again. Historically, it is not deemed appropriate for a wiki administrator to protect an article in order to preserve his or own edits that lack community consensus…doing so flies in the face of why we are here as a community. If this is the standard of collaboration you desire, perhaps it would be better if you started ‘’“Spirous Personal Blog of Factual Incorrectness”’’ rather than dominating the collaborative process on WikiFur. There are now two editors who disagree with the additions you have made. If you’re observant you would have noticed that Crashdoom and I have had differing opinions on this article in the past. For us to both agree that you are mistaken would conventionally suggest that your additions are worth review. Furthermore, the fact that you have provided false citations for the addition that Zidonuke ‘’’is’’’ Doridian would conventionally suggest that you’re operating here with a level of confirmation bias rather than considering a holistic view. I am also troubled that you would dismiss the contributions of topic-focussed-editors. While it is no secret that the majority of contributions I make are to a select few articles of which I am knowledgeable in, the same can be said of all editors. Editors tend stick to stick to what they know and what is of interest to them. Immediately dismissing edits based on who made them (instead of their substance) is an abhorrently benighted angle to take.

::::Given the above, I’ll be requesting that another Administrator comment here, as I genuinely believe your involvement here has been to the detriment of WikiFur.

::::PS: In response to your remark that reporting somebody's deeds is not "maliciously hurting them", I would simply say that stating Person A and Person B are the same individual when they’re not, to the detriment of Person B’s reputation; is malicious. It is malicious because elementary research skills easily reveal that Doridian and Zidonuke are individuals in very different parts of the world, who just have similar interests in IT, programming and playing games (as do many furries). But you seem unable or unwilling to do your own research to find that out, preferring to simply use reddit sub threads. With standards like that I fear that the standard of information on WikiFur will become no better than the standard of information on 4chan. Ergo: Two fifths of fuck all. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:54, 11 January 2014 (EST)

:::::"'' Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. '''They are in fact, two different people.'''''" Citation needed. Please do present any relevant information that contradicts the references provided by all the people, unrelated to each and their services, that were affected by the individual in question, which links the names/identities together.

:::::Tl;dr: If you are able to provide a compelling case thus, these people then have an incorrect assumption on this conclusion, which it will be rectified on the article.

:::::But, until then, once more, '''watch'''. '''your'''. '''language'''. (you been warned about this before). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:20, 11 January 2014 (EST)

:::::: Last time I checked WikiFur had a policy of no personal attacks. For which I see none. It also isn't considered coerce for Administrators to hand out warnings to those they are in edit disputes with. Perhaps you might wish to redact that before Green gets here. Just because you bankroll this place (funny how money often correlates with career progression on crowd funded projects) doesn't mean that I'll simply be subservient in the face of farcical behaviour. Furthermore, you would also be well advised that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The extraordinary claim is that Doridian, someone who has an extensive and current Internet presence, who lives in Germany, is in fact a sock puppet of Zidonuke, who lives in the United States. You provide me with an exact quote where a '''reputable''' person has stated they are the same person combined with the '''evidence''' for such a remark. Until that time, your addition is mere speculation without consensus. Not withstanding that you appear to have dodged most my points but that was always to be expected. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 22:37, 11 January 2014 (EST)

"''Two fifths of fuck al''", ''"Zidonuke is a cunt''", "''It would appear to me that Spirou and Higgs Raccoon have a bad case of Bi-Polar disorder''", "''But it really does portray a vast ignorance''",... This language. Anyways, back to the point:

"'' Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. '''They are in fact, two different people.'''''" Citation needed. Please do present any relevant information that contradicts the references provided by all the people, unrelated to each and their services, that were affected by the individual in question, which links the names/identities together.

Tl;dr: If you are able to provide a compelling case thus, these people then have an incorrect assumption on this conclusion, which it will be rectified on the article.

...and as for "'''''Your addition is mere speculation without consensus'''''". Nope, it is a group consensus generated outside this Wiki, based on multiple sources/references from people not related to each other, and on distinct, different projects. As for your "''They are in fact, two different people''", that's actually, until proven otherwise, your opinion, not an established fact.

The solution to this dilemma is presented, e.g. if you wish to make the effort to prove all these people are, regarding this particular notion, incorrect, please, do gather ready your empirical refutal material. I will reestablish the article back to edit status, hoping on a good faith effort on your part to make your '''valid''' counterpoint. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:37, 11 January 2014 (EST)

: After extensive Googling I have found only a single forum post where a person of little importance had claimed that Zidonuke and Doridian are the same person. This post did not supply any reasons or evidence to substantiate that claim. The Starbound Reddit thread referenced that post and presented it as "speculation", Hence I still feel you have fallen well short of providing evidence for the addition of the alias Doridian to the article when everyone else is merely speculating on the matter. Whilst I feel your request is an unreasonable one due to the fact that proving the matter beyond all doubt would be excruciatingly painful, I'll gladly accept the challenge on the provision that I can present any and all evidence to Greenreaper personally as to protect the privacy of the individuals involved and to ensure that any administrative stance is neutral. Do we have an accord? [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 17:21, 13 January 2014 (EST)

::If you can disprove any and all the references provided by the parties involved, the changes will be noted on the article, as any reference disputes are handled. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 17:47, 13 January 2014 (EST)

===A path forwards===

OK guys, calm down . . . everyone here needs to [[WikiFur:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. We are all trying to make a better article.

Unlike Wikipedia, we allow "original research" ''where an assertion is not disputed''. In ''this'' case, it is ''not'' good enough for us to state that "X is Y", especially given the nature of these references. Nor is it good to simply remove that assertion. Instead, we must be more specific: "A said X was Y's partner"; "B said X had the same IP address as Y", etc. We need to report ''what is actually in the source'' and ''who said it'' - things which you both can agree on - so that the reader can ''make up their own minds'', rather than saying "this collection of sources supports this assertion" and putting that in the article.

I'm not getting into the details because honestly I am not particularly interested in them. I ''am'' hoping that editors will work towards creating a version of the article which all parties can agree with. ''That'' is when you know you have reached consensus - because nobody sees a reason to edit. Such a point is reached a lot faster when editors make it their goal to make ''each other'' happy.

Getting there will require expanding into more nuanced coverage of the third-party assertions regarding Zidonuke, Crashdoom and Doridian. You're all capable of editing the article accordingly, so please do so, rather than appealing to authority (either references, or myself) to support your own opinion of the truth. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:13, 13 January 2014 (EST)

:Clear. The references that implied Doridian<>Zidonuke were not present/available when first suggested years ago, presently up in the article as they became available recently. The allegation that Crashdoom<>Zidonuke, also suggested in the past, is not up for consideration for inclusion, as the only three allegations are a "hearsay" from a third party, a "because I say so!", and a possible IP match that has no refs available, written or in digital media wise (screenshots). As suggested as a solution before, if any or all the references provided by the parties involved is not accurate or rebutted, they will be stricken from the article. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:28, 14 January 2014 (EST)

::I just want to state that our IP addresses will likely match up in multiple cases. Crashdoom has visited my home and has been on my internet. Doridian, Crashdoom and myself shared the same VPN endpoint at one point. We have all been friends over the years and pretty close at times as well. So you cannot assume an shared IP address means they are the exact same person. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 18:02, 15 January 2014 (EST)

:::(To Zidonuke): Here's a suggestion. You have verified links that determine you are indeed Zidonuke. It's logical to assume that somebody like '''Doridian''' has spent considerable time in the internet, enough to be accused of all the deeds caused, in short, he/she should have a website, social media, or profile pages on the internet. Indication of such would dispel the allegation brought by third parties. Simple.

:::I don't known why bring up Crashdoom, as the allegations/references, as stated before, do not support the Crashdoom<>Zidonuke, but if you also want to present the case that you are not Crashdoom anyways (not in the article, so is no skin of your nose), website, social media, and/or profile pages links would do the trick. No, this is not a personal vendetta (I edited the article to reduce the presented non-furry related information on the "Controversy" section), but if several new links are submitted years later that bring up the Doridian<>Zidonuke conundrum again, it should be noted.

:::But, if it can be refuted in a verifiable way, good!, great!, links and name removed from article, and everybody moves on. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:23, 15 January 2014 (EST)

::::Well I present Doridian [https://twitter.com/Doridian Twitter] [http://mc.doridian.de/ mc.doridian.de] [http://steamcommunity.com/id/doridian Steam] [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/doridian FA] hes also lives in Europe. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 18:48, 15 January 2014 (EST)

Zidonuke

2014-01-15T23:19:42Z

Zidonuke: Again, unless clear and concise evidence can be presented proving that Zidonuke is Doridian then it should be removed. All the references included are not 100% confirmations but allegations.

'''Zidonuke''', also known as '''Zidonuke Ghost''', '''Zidonuke Marshdevil''',<ref>[https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost's profile] on [[Second Life]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref> '''Sidonuke''' and '''Zephyr Nayl''' on [[Second Life]],<ref name="SLJira">[https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=zephyr.nayl Zephyr Nayl's profile] on [https://jira.secondlife.com/ Second Life JIRA]. Retrieved ?.</ref> is a American [[furry fan]] and [[W:Programmer|computer programmer]].

As a programmer, Zidonuke has contributes programming and security consulting to several online projects such as '''Chucklefish Ltd''''s [[W:Starbound|Starbound]],<ref>[http://community.playstarbound.com/index.php?members/zidonuke.5850/ ''Just released Starrybound Server 1.1''] announcement by Zidonuke on the [http://community.playstarbound.com/ Starbound's forums]. Posted December 29, 2013. Retrieved ?.</ref> Second Life,<ref name="SLJira"></ref> [http://www.pokemon-world-online.net Pokémon World Online],<ref name="PWO"></ref> and [[W:TShock|TShock]]'s [[W:Terraria|Terraria]].<ref>[http://tshock.co/xf/index.php?members/zidonuke.788/ Zidonuke's profile] on the [http://tshock.co/xf/index.php TShock's forums]. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Fursona ==

Zidonuke's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit (species)|rabbit]].<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke's profile] on [[Fur Affinity]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

== Controversy ==

Zidonuke has a history of conflicting [[W:Hacker|hacking]] exploits that has garnered him some problems and distrust with projects and people he has worked with,<ref name="Hacking">[http://www.reddit.com/r/starbound/comments/1uueka/the_starrybound_mod_has_been_pulled_from_our/ ''The Starrybound mod has been pulled from our official database. Here's why.''] post by [[Molly]] on [[W:Reddit|Reditt]]. Posted January 9, 2014. Retrieved January 9, 2014.</ref><ref name="Hacking2">[http://www.terrariaonline.com/threads/if-youre-using-tmod-or-know-someone-who-is-read-this-immediately.34616/ ''If you're using tMod or know someone who is, read this IMMEDIATELY''] post by [[PlagueOfCats]] on [[W:Terraria|Terraria]]'s forums. Posted June 25, 2011. Retrieved Januaray 10, 2014.</ref><ref name="Hacking3">[http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/unofficial-craftbukkit-build-556-works-with-1-3-1-4-mc-clients-all-plugins-work.10691/page-3 ''Unofficial CraftBukkit Build, 556 works with 1.3/1.4 MC Clients, ALL PLUGINS WORK!''] post on the [http://forums.bukkit.org Bukkit.org]. Posted March 31, 2011. Retrieved January 11, 2014.</ref> such as Pokémon World Online<ref name="PWO">[http://iblamelee.co.uk/pwo/wiki/index.php?title=Pokémon_World_Online#History ''Pokémon World Online''] article entry on the [http://www.pokemon-world-online.net Pokémon World Online]'s wiki. Retrieved January 11, 2014.</ref><ref>[http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n593/chart1189/downdown.png Zidonuke PWO announcement] image on [[W:Photobucket|Photobucket]]. Retrieved January 11, 2014.</ref><ref>[http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv33/beansta2k7/Untitled-1.png Zidonuke's deletion of PWO's data and server-side coding] image on [[W:Photobucket|Photobucket]]. Retrieved January 11, 2014.</ref> and Second Life, were he was banned by [[W:Linden Labs|Linden Labs]] after reporting and exploiting various security issues with [[W:Vivox|Vivox]],{{fact}} a voice service in use by Second Life.

=== F-List ===

Zidonuke was a coder and [[administrator]] on [[F-List]], but was banned in February 2011 after spying on users through the use of a [[W:tcpdump|TCP dumper]].<ref>[http://www.f-list.net/newspost/158/ ''The Big Post-Downtime News Post''] announcement by [[Hexxy]] on [[F-List]]. Posted February 5, 2011 Retrieved ?.</ref> Once discovered, he gave all users administrator access, removed bans, and published the site's code online. F-List Administration spent 5 days restoring the site entirely from backups.<ref>[http://www.flayrah.com/3424/rogue-coders-attack-takes-f-list-down ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[Flayrah]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref><ref>[http://www.furrynewsnetwork.com/2011/02/rogue-coder%E2%80%99s-attack-takes-f-list/ ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[FNN]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

==References==
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==External links==
{{Contributor|Zidonuke}}
* [http://zidonuke.com/ Zidonuke.com] - Zidonuke's official homepage
* [http://zidonuke.deviantart.com Zidonuke] on [[deviantART]]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [https://www.weasyl.com/profile/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Weasyl]]
* [https://inkbunny.net/Zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[InkBunny]]
* [http://zidonuke.sofurry.com Zidonuke] on [[SoFurry]]
* [https://www.facebook.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Facebook]]
* [http://twitter.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Twitter]]
* [https://plus.google.com/113760160269798345311/posts Zidonuke] on [https://plus.google.com/ Google+]
* [https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost] on Second Life
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[YouTube]]

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Talk:Zidonuke

2014-01-15T23:02:07Z

Zidonuke: /* A path forwards */

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== Doridian ==

I removed the reference that Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. They are in fact, two different people. To see a WikiFur Administrator adding patent nonsense to a BLP is utterly disgusting. Spirou would be well advised to withdraw until he gets his facts straight. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 11:25, 11 January 2014 (EST)
:The removal has been reverted has I left out the reference text clipping on the desktop (thanks for the heads up). And thank for your post has, as I was able to further research the Doridian links, which let me to the necessary links to ref his professional involvement with [http://www.pokemon-world-online.net Pokémon World Online] (PWO), and his subsequent hack of the game. The '''Crashdoom''' name, though, was not added, as all references to Crashdoom<>Zidonuke are not there, or strong enough to support this claim. Thank you again to pointing out that the reference links were not present. Quite an "oopsie". =) - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:26, 11 January 2014 (EST)
::I'm again removing this content as there is no proof that Zidonuke is Doridian, all links provided are pure speculation and drama. Can you provide concrete evidence to the contrary? Nothing you've posted proves anything. "WikiFur is not a place to hurt people. Malicious edits, hate speech, et al is not welcome here. '''Stick to the facts!'''". Also, despite it being a guideline, [[WikiFur:Notability,_verifiability,_and_original_research|WF:NVOR]] [[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 16:43, 11 January 2014 (EST)
:::Revert. Reporting somebody's deeds are is not "maliciously hurting them". And locked for the weekend b4 another ad naseum edit warring (same players, surprise). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:26, 11 January 2014 (EST)
::::Spirou, none of the references you have provided give *any* evidence that Zidonuke (A US Citizen) is Doridian (A German Citizen). In fact, the citations you have provided give conflicting information which is all in the eye of the person who wrote it, those persons include random users on the Internet who have no more credibility than your local tabloids. I would go on further to point out that most of the citations provided openly state that the connection is mere speculation. Hence, it would be a misrepresentation of the sources to state the connection as fact while using those sources as justification. Ergo: If I run around stating that I think Spirou and Greenreaper are same person using enough aliases, it doesn’t make it any more of a fact and your unwillingness to consider the possibility that you are mistaken is not healthy for a project like WikiFur. I must ask you to reconsider your position in the interest of maintaining the high standards of factual correctness that WikiFur strives to achieve.

::::In the interests of accuracy, the most which could be accurately stated on the article is that there has been ‘’speculation’’ that Doridian and Zidonuke may be pseudonyms of the same individual. This I would be perfectly fine with despite knowing otherwise, however to state it as a definitive fact is not only incorrect but also far beyond the scope of any information available. Given that all four citations you have listed also provide ‘’’conflicting’’’ speculation, one saying Doridian is Zidonuke’s partner, the other saying they ran a server together (but weren’t the same person), one saying they might be the same individual – Surely it can be deduced that the topic is contentious, without any real proof nor consensus from the internet community. So if the internet community is yet to settle on a position on this topic how is it that someone in your position can make an instant ruling that you are correct and that everyone else is wrong, despite having no personal contact with the subject matter? It’s kind of like a fitness instructor writing physics papers, they might look good, but they simply won’t add up.

::::Furthermore, I am troubled by your remarks and behaviour on this page yet again. Historically, it is not deemed appropriate for a wiki administrator to protect an article in order to preserve his or own edits that lack community consensus…doing so flies in the face of why we are here as a community. If this is the standard of collaboration you desire, perhaps it would be better if you started ‘’“Spirous Personal Blog of Factual Incorrectness”’’ rather than dominating the collaborative process on WikiFur. There are now two editors who disagree with the additions you have made. If you’re observant you would have noticed that Crashdoom and I have had differing opinions on this article in the past. For us to both agree that you are mistaken would conventionally suggest that your additions are worth review. Furthermore, the fact that you have provided false citations for the addition that Zidonuke ‘’’is’’’ Doridian would conventionally suggest that you’re operating here with a level of confirmation bias rather than considering a holistic view. I am also troubled that you would dismiss the contributions of topic-focussed-editors. While it is no secret that the majority of contributions I make are to a select few articles of which I am knowledgeable in, the same can be said of all editors. Editors tend stick to stick to what they know and what is of interest to them. Immediately dismissing edits based on who made them (instead of their substance) is an abhorrently benighted angle to take.

::::Given the above, I’ll be requesting that another Administrator comment here, as I genuinely believe your involvement here has been to the detriment of WikiFur.

::::PS: In response to your remark that reporting somebody's deeds is not "maliciously hurting them", I would simply say that stating Person A and Person B are the same individual when they’re not, to the detriment of Person B’s reputation; is malicious. It is malicious because elementary research skills easily reveal that Doridian and Zidonuke are individuals in very different parts of the world, who just have similar interests in IT, programming and playing games (as do many furries). But you seem unable or unwilling to do your own research to find that out, preferring to simply use reddit sub threads. With standards like that I fear that the standard of information on WikiFur will become no better than the standard of information on 4chan. Ergo: Two fifths of fuck all. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:54, 11 January 2014 (EST)

:::::"'' Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. '''They are in fact, two different people.'''''" Citation needed. Please do present any relevant information that contradicts the references provided by all the people, unrelated to each and their services, that were affected by the individual in question, which links the names/identities together.

:::::Tl;dr: If you are able to provide a compelling case thus, these people then have an incorrect assumption on this conclusion, which it will be rectified on the article.

:::::But, until then, once more, '''watch'''. '''your'''. '''language'''. (you been warned about this before). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:20, 11 January 2014 (EST)

:::::: Last time I checked WikiFur had a policy of no personal attacks. For which I see none. It also isn't considered coerce for Administrators to hand out warnings to those they are in edit disputes with. Perhaps you might wish to redact that before Green gets here. Just because you bankroll this place (funny how money often correlates with career progression on crowd funded projects) doesn't mean that I'll simply be subservient in the face of farcical behaviour. Furthermore, you would also be well advised that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The extraordinary claim is that Doridian, someone who has an extensive and current Internet presence, who lives in Germany, is in fact a sock puppet of Zidonuke, who lives in the United States. You provide me with an exact quote where a '''reputable''' person has stated they are the same person combined with the '''evidence''' for such a remark. Until that time, your addition is mere speculation without consensus. Not withstanding that you appear to have dodged most my points but that was always to be expected. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 22:37, 11 January 2014 (EST)

"''Two fifths of fuck al''", ''"Zidonuke is a cunt''", "''It would appear to me that Spirou and Higgs Raccoon have a bad case of Bi-Polar disorder''", "''But it really does portray a vast ignorance''",... This language. Anyways, back to the point:

"'' Zidonuke is a furry known as Doridian as this was both factually incorrect and unreferenced. '''They are in fact, two different people.'''''" Citation needed. Please do present any relevant information that contradicts the references provided by all the people, unrelated to each and their services, that were affected by the individual in question, which links the names/identities together.

Tl;dr: If you are able to provide a compelling case thus, these people then have an incorrect assumption on this conclusion, which it will be rectified on the article.

...and as for "'''''Your addition is mere speculation without consensus'''''". Nope, it is a group consensus generated outside this Wiki, based on multiple sources/references from people not related to each other, and on distinct, different projects. As for your "''They are in fact, two different people''", that's actually, until proven otherwise, your opinion, not an established fact.

The solution to this dilemma is presented, e.g. if you wish to make the effort to prove all these people are, regarding this particular notion, incorrect, please, do gather ready your empirical refutal material. I will reestablish the article back to edit status, hoping on a good faith effort on your part to make your '''valid''' counterpoint. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:37, 11 January 2014 (EST)

: After extensive Googling I have found only a single forum post where a person of little importance had claimed that Zidonuke and Doridian are the same person. This post did not supply any reasons or evidence to substantiate that claim. The Starbound Reddit thread referenced that post and presented it as "speculation", Hence I still feel you have fallen well short of providing evidence for the addition of the alias Doridian to the article when everyone else is merely speculating on the matter. Whilst I feel your request is an unreasonable one due to the fact that proving the matter beyond all doubt would be excruciatingly painful, I'll gladly accept the challenge on the provision that I can present any and all evidence to Greenreaper personally as to protect the privacy of the individuals involved and to ensure that any administrative stance is neutral. Do we have an accord? [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 17:21, 13 January 2014 (EST)

::If you can disprove any and all the references provided by the parties involved, the changes will be noted on the article, as any reference disputes are handled. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 17:47, 13 January 2014 (EST)

===A path forwards===

OK guys, calm down . . . everyone here needs to [[WikiFur:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. We are all trying to make a better article.

Unlike Wikipedia, we allow "original research" ''where an assertion is not disputed''. In ''this'' case, it is ''not'' good enough for us to state that "X is Y", especially given the nature of these references. Nor is it good to simply remove that assertion. Instead, we must be more specific: "A said X was Y's partner"; "B said X had the same IP address as Y", etc. We need to report ''what is actually in the source'' and ''who said it'' - things which you both can agree on - so that the reader can ''make up their own minds'', rather than saying "this collection of sources supports this assertion" and putting that in the article.

I'm not getting into the details because honestly I am not particularly interested in them. I ''am'' hoping that editors will work towards creating a version of the article which all parties can agree with. ''That'' is when you know you have reached consensus - because nobody sees a reason to edit. Such a point is reached a lot faster when editors make it their goal to make ''each other'' happy.

Getting there will require expanding into more nuanced coverage of the third-party assertions regarding Zidonuke, Crashdoom and Doridian. You're all capable of editing the article accordingly, so please do so, rather than appealing to authority (either references, or myself) to support your own opinion of the truth. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:13, 13 January 2014 (EST)

:Clear. The references that implied Doridian<>Zidonuke were not present/available when first suggested years ago, presently up in the article as they became available recently. The allegation that Crashdoom<>Zidonuke, also suggested in the past, is not up for consideration for inclusion, as the only three allegations are a "hearsay" from a third party, a "because I say so!", and a possible IP match that has no refs available, written or in digital media wise (screenshots). As suggested as a solution before, if any or all the references provided by the parties involved is not accurate or rebutted, they will be stricken from the article. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:28, 14 January 2014 (EST)

:I just want to state that our IP addresses will likely match up in multiple cases. Crashdoom has visited my home and has been on my internet. Doridian, Crashdoom and myself shared the same VPN endpoint at one point. We have all been friends over the years and pretty close at times as well. So you cannot assume an shared IP address means they are the exact same person. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 18:02, 15 January 2014 (EST)

Zidonuke

2014-01-15T22:51:10Z

Zidonuke: Seriously, Doridian != Zidonuke and anyone who wants to contest this, you can contact us on skype and we will prove it. The evidence provided is highly circumstantial due to the fact of us having a close personal relationship once upon a time.

Zidonuke

2013-05-26T11:29:13Z

Zidonuke:

'''Zidonuke''', also known as '''Zidonuke Ghost''', '''Zidonuke Marshdevil''',<ref>[https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost's profile] on [[Second Life]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref> previously know as '''Sidonuke''' and '''Zephyr Nayl''' on [[Second Life]],<ref name="SLJira">[https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=zephyr.nayl Zephyr Nayl's profile] on [https://jira.secondlife.com/ Second Life JIRA]. Retrieved ?.</ref> is a [[W:Programmer|computer programmer]] and [[furry fan]] from the [[Wikipedia:United States|United States]]. His [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit (species)|rabbit]].<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke's profile] on [[Fur Affinity]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

== Current Involvements ==

He currently contributes programming and security consulting to [[W:Starbound|Starbound]], also contributed large financial donations to their project.<ref>[http://community.playstarbound.com/index.php?members/zidonuke.5850/ ''Zidonuke's Project on Starbound'']</ref> However since Summer of 2011, Zidonuke's activity on the internet has waned.

== History ==

In the past{{when}} he has jointly contributed to the upkeep of [[W:Huggle|Huggle]] (an anti-[[W:Vandalism|vandalism]] tool used widely on [[Wikipedia]]), as well as contributing to Second Life by reporting various bugs in the service.<ref name="SLJira"></ref> However, he was later{{when}} banned from Second Life by [[W:Linden Labs|Linden Labs]] after reporting and exploiting various security issues with [[W:Vivox|Vivox]], A voice service in use by Second Life. In response, Zidonuke made an alternate SL account ("Zidonuke Ghost"), and has been using it ever since.{{fact}} He is also known for his contributions to improving server side security in the game [[W:Terraria|Terraria]] on the TShock project.<ref>[http://tshock.co/xf/index.php?members/zidonuke.788/ ''Zidonuke's Profile on TShock's Forums'']</ref>

== Controversy ==

Zidonuke was a coder and [[administrator]] on F-List, but was banned in February 2011 after spying on users through the use of a [[W:tcpdump|TCP dumper]].<ref>[http://www.f-list.net/newspost/158/ ''The Big Post-Downtime News Post''] announcement by [[Hexxy]] on [[F-List]]. Posted February 5, 2011 Retrieved ?.</ref> Once discovered, he gave all users administrator access, removed bans, and published the site's code online. F-List Administration spent 5 days restoring the site entirely from backups.<ref>[http://www.flayrah.com/3424/rogue-coders-attack-takes-f-list-down ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[Flayrah]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref><ref>[http://www.furrynewsnetwork.com/2011/02/rogue-coder%E2%80%99s-attack-takes-f-list/ ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[FNN]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

Zidonuke released versions of the [http://minecraft.net/download Minecraft Server Daemon] called [http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bukkit Bukkit], which permitted old clients to connect to the new server. <ref>[http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/unofficial-craftbukkit-build-556-works-with-1-3-1-4-mc-clients-all-plugins-work.10691/ ''Unofficial CraftBukkit Build, 556 works with 1.3/1.4 MC Clients, ALL PLUGINS WORK!''] post by Zidonouke on the [http://forums.bukkit.org Bukkit.org] forums. Posted Mar 31, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref> However it was speculated the build was malicious when he begun to crash servers with an exploit in movement packets that allowed a floating point NaN (Not a number) to be used in the Y axis, putting the server into a infinite loop calculating physics. The exploit existed in vanilla minecraft since version 1.0 and was reported by Zidonuke to Mojang multiple times before his demonstration. This build was later proven legitimate by [http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/unofficial-craftbukkit-build-556-works-with-1-3-1-4-mc-clients-all-plugins-work.10691/page-3#post-191018 Dinnerbone], One of the project's developers and administrators.

==References==
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==External links==
{{Contributor|Zidonuke}}
* [http://zidonuke.com/ Zidonuke.com] - Zidonuke's official homepage
* [http://zidonuke.deviantart.com Zidonuke] on [[deviantART]]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [https://www.weasyl.com/profile/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Weasyl]]
* [https://inkbunny.net/Zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[InkBunny]]
* [http://zidonuke.sofurry.com Zidonuke] on [[SoFurry]]
* [https://www.facebook.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Facebook]]
* [http://twitter.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Twitter]]
* [https://plus.google.com/113760160269798345311/posts Zidonuke] on [https://plus.google.com/ Google+]
* [https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost] on Second Life
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[YouTube]]

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Zidonuke

2013-05-23T19:19:51Z

Zidonuke: Public deserves to know truth. Googling Zidonuke shows various pages on me already about these incidents.

'''Zidonuke''', also known as '''Zidonuke Ghost''', '''Zidonuke Marshdevil''',<ref>[https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost's profile] on [[Second Life]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref> previously know as '''Sidonuke''' and '''Zephyr Nayl''' on [[Second Life]],<ref name="SLJira">[https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=zephyr.nayl Zephyr Nayl's profile] on [https://jira.secondlife.com/ Second Life JIRA]. Retrieved ?.</ref> is a [[W:Programmer|computer programmer]] and [[furry fan]] from the [[Wikipedia:United States|United States]]. His [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit (species)|rabbit]].<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke's profile] on [[Fur Affinity]]. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

== Coder/hacker ==

Zidonuke is a self-proclaimed{{fact}} security researcher, but many of his actions have been more in line with a black-hat [[W:Hacker (computer security)|hacker]].

In the past{{when}} he has jointly contributed to the upkeep of [[W:Huggle|Huggle]] (an anti-[[W:Vandalism|vandalism]] tool used widely on [[Wikipedia]]), as well as contributing to Second Life by reporting various bugs in the service.<ref name="SLJira"></ref> However, he was later{{when}} banned from Second Life by [[W:Linden Labs|Linden Labs]] for a [[W:Terms of Service|Terms of Service]] violation. In response, Zidonuke made an alternate SL account ("Zidonuke Ghost"), and has been using it ever since.{{fact}}

== Controversy ==

Zidonuke was a coder and [[administrator]] on F-List, but was banned in February 2011 after spying on users through the use of a [[W:tcpdump|TCP dumper]].<ref>[http://www.f-list.net/newspost/158/ ''The Big Post-Downtime News Post''] announcement by [[Hexxy]] on [[F-List]]. Posted February 5, 2011 Retrieved ?.</ref> Once discovered, he gave all users administrator access, removed bans, and published the site's code online. F-List Administration spent 5 days restoring the site entirely from backups.<ref>[http://www.flayrah.com/3424/rogue-coders-attack-takes-f-list-down ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[Flayrah]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref><ref>[http://www.furrynewsnetwork.com/2011/02/rogue-coder%E2%80%99s-attack-takes-f-list/ ''Rogue coder’s attack takes F-List down''] news article on [[FNN]]. Posted Febuary 3, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

Zidonuke released malicious versions of the [http://minecraft.net/download Minecraft Server Daemon] called [http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Bukkit Bukkit], which permitted him to execute arbitrary commands, which he was banned for from the Bukkit forums.<ref>[http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/unofficial-craftbukkit-build-556-works-with-1-3-1-4-mc-clients-all-plugins-work.10691/ ''Unofficial CraftBukkit Build, 556 works with 1.3/1.4 MC Clients, ALL PLUGINS WORK!''] post by Zidonouke on the [http://forums.bukkit.org Bukkit.org] forums. Posted Mar 31, 2011. Retrieved May 23, 2013.</ref>

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
{{Contributor|Zidonuke}}
* [http://zidonuke.com/ Zidonuke.com] - Zidonuke's official homepage
* [http://zidonuke.deviantart.com Zidonuke] on [[deviantART]]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zidonuke/ Zidonuke] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [https://www.weasyl.com/profile/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Weasyl]]
* [https://inkbunny.net/Zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[InkBunny]]
* [http://zidonuke.sofurry.com Zidonuke] on [[SoFurry]]
* [https://www.facebook.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Facebook]]
* [http://twitter.com/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[Twitter]]
* [https://plus.google.com/113760160269798345311/posts Zidonuke] on [https://plus.google.com/ Google+]
* [https://my.secondlife.com/zidonuke.ghost Zidonuke Ghost] on Second Life
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/zidonuke Zidonuke] on [[YouTube]]

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Talk:Zidonuke

2013-05-23T17:21:56Z

Zidonuke: /* May 2013 edits */

Please do not revert information which is supported. Thank you. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:07, 6 April 2011 (CEST)

==Exclusion request==
The subejct of this article has requested [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|personal exclusion]]. Should it be granted? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:56, 6 April 2011 (CEST)
: At the risk of sounding like I have a personal issue, my opinion is that given the ban from F-List and the reason for it, the subject is of interest to the community and should not be excluded. However, if not excluded, the article remains editable and any edits mentioning what the issue was and why (banning) will likely continue to be reverted. The noteworthiness of his ban from Second Life does not strike me as being as great, largely because Linden Labs does not publish the fact of a ban or the reason for it; the reference appears to be from the subject's own website, so if he hadn't posted anything about it, it would likely never have been known. The references are available in the edit history of the article if anyone should care to peruse them. As I'm the one who has reverted the recent reversions and it seems as if I'm starting to take this a bit personally, I think I'd better leave it for cooler heads. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 00:15, 7 April 2011 (CEST)
: F-List and me both wanted to drop the event as we resolved it long ago, Keeping on this is just pointless, The second life bans are barely worth mentioning because they are the results of internal conflicts that are not relevant to the public, The bans are more or less issues with selected people in LL. And the minecraft thing isn't notable to me at all as most of those bans are from servers I never visited, are are the result of a discussion on a IRC channel and preemptive strikes on me. This page serves nothing but to highlight extreme negatives and further defame my name and cause humiliation. This page was infact created by trolls against me from the F-List incident, A complete issue that was between me and F-List which was resolved. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 06:39, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
:: If personal exclusion will not be granted I request that noindex tags be added. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 06:44, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
::: <s>I am strongly against exclusion and noindex tags because it is being requested by Zidonuke in an attempt to coverup or otherwise impeade people's ability to become aware of his well earned bad reputation. Quite simply, Zidonuke is a cunt who gain's people's trust only to fuck them over later. He did it on F-List and he is now doing it on Minecraft. People have a right to know about the positive AND negative sides of a subject and in this case its unfortunate that Zidonuke has a totally negative reputation but this is his fault, and his fault alone. He now has to live with that reputation and or show that he has changed. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 07:12, 12 April 2011 (CEST)</s>
::: I don't see how that would make sense. If exclusion is refused, the reason would be to allow others to discover your past when dealing with you. The way to resolve this is not to try to cover it up or change your name in an attempt to escape your actions, but to ''stop doing the stuff mentioned in the article''. You can keep on the path you're on or you can turn around and change these into youthful indiscretions. I've seen both done on WikiFur. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:15, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
:::: And furthermore, even 13 hours ago on YouTube "Currently willing to grief servers with hacks. Leave IP here."[http://www.youtube.com/user/teamavolition]. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 07:43, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
::::: <s>The addition of his contribution to hungle is interesting. In total, he made less than 5 commits to the huggle codebase (out of 500+ in total) and has since had his commit access revoked for reasons unclear, I feel the scale of his contribution to huggle is not represented by the current context and furthermore misrepresents the timeline, his limited contributions to the Huggle project were in Oct 2010, the F-list / Secondlife / Minecraft stuff came after that. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 17:33, 12 April 2011 (CEST)</s>
:::::: I still feel that Leon Hunter is a single solitary troll that is out for blood for me for his own personal reasons rather than doing things for the the good of everyone. I believe that unless other contributors can work with my article that it should be taken down. [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 20:09, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
::::::: <s>Firstly, I am no troll. I am a person who has been affected by your actions and I don't take kindly to that. But all that aside, you can't fuck people over as you did with F-List and Minecraft and then cry foul when people don't say nice things about you and feel motivated to make your history well known so people treat you with a level of caution when it comes to positions of trust. Secondly, I am not alone in this view, there are many people who have been affected like me who wish to make sure your history is represented in a factual manner and whilst you dont like the facts, they are the facts. I have better things to do than to troll some shithead kid, trust me, but making your history known so that you dont weasel your way into another project that affects me IS within my interests and the interests of people in the furry community. If I was out for blood I would do so in more innovative ways then merely editing your WikiFur article. Live with the consequences of your own actions. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:10, 12 April 2011 (CEST)
:::::::Oh and btw, Cute SL Avi (seriously) [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:13, 12 April 2011 (CEST)</s>
::::::::I'm agreeing with Leon on this one. Furthermore, Zidonuke has stated that he's okay with F-List now, but I can state with certainty that this is not the case. If we (F-list's moderators, admins and coders) were on good terms with Zidonuke, certainly he would not remain banned now.
::::::::Also, as said earlier; this article's purpose is not to slander your name, it's to provide information. Zidonuke has proven several times that he's a very unpredictable person, gaining people's trust only to stab them in the backs later on. I think it's interesting to know that when Zidonuke "hacked" F-list, he didn't do this on impulse. He had backdoors installed on the server, which evidences that he had been planning an outburst like this all along. So, he never did things because he has an anger management problem, but simply because it's what he does - probably because he enjoys it. Zidonuke has repeatedly shown that he's not willing to stop all this either, so I think this page covers a matter that concerns everybody. It's important to tell people who to avoid. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 12:37, 13 April 2011 (CEST)
:I ran into multiple personal issues with the page existing now. I beg to request its takedown at this point... Seriously... I have to keep explaining myself to everyone who even sees the page now... [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 01:48, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:: <s>You have to explain yourself? Thats more than the users of f-list, minecraft and secondlife ever got. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 02:19, 26 April 2011 (EDT)</s>
:::I've had a change of heart on this issue, I've spoken to Zidonuke personally on Steam out of interest. He is indeed a person, with his own set of issues and I no longer feel it is appropriate for Wikifur to be used as a smackboard in this instance. I feel that the article smacks of punitive punishment and privacy evasion which, if the old saying two wrongs dont make a right is anything to go by, isnt the right thing to do. I think Zidonuke generally lets his emotions and at times bordom get in the way of his otherwise outstanding contributions to various projects and '''his requiest to be excluded must respected'''. I honestly think that Zido is somewhat scared because people are instantly disliking him due to this article and are making that well known to him, Wikifur has a duty of care here and a moral obligation to not impose unwanted attention on people if its going to affect thier health and I think that this is potentially the case with Zidonuke. I recognise this might be seen as the backflip of the centuary but talk to Zido, he's more human than you would think. I started this article myself and 90% of the substance has come from myself alone, I would also like said content removed. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 02:57, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:::: Wow, that was really drastic. At first you're being 100% rational about this stuff, now you're fully letting your emotions take control of your opinions. Yes, this article may conflict with moral values regarding Zidonuke, but removing the page would conflict with any moral values regarding the people he has hacked in the past, and the people he will be hacking in the future. Even -during- his attack against F-list, he kept telling the site's founder that he was sorry (and that he'd quit doing stuff), right before taking a next step and making things even worse. If Zidonuke has been telling you that he's sorry about the stuff he's done, and you believe him, then you're just another person to have fallen for his blatant lies. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 08:08, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Did he hack you or did you fail to vet your staff properly? If I recall correctly it was the later so F-List staff coming here preaching anti-zidonuke slogans does your image no favours when you gave said person all the access in the world without any peer review of actions. It could have been anyone that did what Zidonuke did. In any case, when I wrote the article its sole purpose was a punitive retaliation to what he had done on F-List and as we all know WikiFur is not the place for this. As it stands the article still serves that same purpose. I cite various WikiFur policies in support of exclusion including ''"In addition, not everyone is a public personality, and some take offense at the idea that other people would be able to write anything they want about them on a public site. Yes, this is the wiki way, but remember that WikiFur is not intended to hurt anyone. In general, it is sensible not to include people who do not wish to be included in WikiFur. This is usually not a problem if they really don't want to have a presence here. "'' and furthermore ''"If you do not wish to be included in WikiFur, please contact an administrator requesting removal. The request will need to come from a verifiable address. In most cases, your request will be granted. This will entail complete removal of the article about you, and its replacement with the notice"''. That is the policy regarding exclusion, some people might say it leaves a margin of judgement by the admins but seriously who are the admins to decide wether someones genuine request for exclusion be up held or not, the person requesting exclusion should not change the outcome it is common decensy. Talking of the future is somewhat interesting because you dont know if he is going to change, or if he isnt and your claims regarding him continuing (after saying sorry) are at best unverifiable and I wont take them on face value as you seem to have a vested interest in shit canning Zido. WikiFur has moral obligations here, the page has been used to oust Zidonuke's personal, real life information and those revisions are still accessible which I strongly disagree with, the least GreenReaper could do is respect Zidonuke's request. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 08:41, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::So you mean that, in case a person abuses their admin privileges, the other admins are to blame, because they gave them these privileges. Eh, okay... I'd like to note that Zidonuke helped out quite a lot at first, and gained Hexxy's trust on a personal level. People are no robots, and are never predictable, so what Zidonuke did couldn't have been helped -- It could just as well have been one of the other admins or coders who destroyed the website on a rage trip, but they don't do that, since they're not the kind of hacker that Zidonuke is. (At least, I kinda trust they aren't... As I said, nobody is predictable.) To respond to your last point: If your concern is the personal RL information on this page, then I'm fully okay with that. Remove the line saying that Zidonuke lives in Virginia, and there'll be no more privacy issues. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 09:36, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Given some further thought, the article lacks neutrality and details what he has done in the past without going into his motivations or context for doing so at the time. He of course out of moral obligation, can't reveal these motivations without breaking the confidentiality of in-staff discussions and what bullshit was happening behind the scenes at F-list that triggered him to do all this. So if he can't tell the his side than I see no reason for the article to exist in any way shape or form. Lastly, Zidonuke is not a hacker, hackers break into systems, every incident ive seen involved people handing him access on a silver platter and pissing him off later. I also got a smile out of the fact you side stepped most my arguements, including wikifur's own policy on this matter and the ones you did address you turned into [[w:Straw_man|Straw man]] arguements. Running for politics anytime soon? [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 09:42, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'm certainly not opposed to adding details about his motivation, but I'd like such information to be valid before it is posted. Of course, I won't be able to crawl into his head to check whether what he says was his actual motivation, but if his explanations contain any fallacies, I will continue pointing them out. From what you've been posting (and been saying to me in private), you seem to be intent of having his side of the story included, which is good, but you seem to be really reluctant to anything I can tell you as a person who witnessed everything from a first row seat. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 14:17, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Anyway, I'm going to refrain from posting here, at least for now, because the kind of support Zidonuke is getting is starting to frustrate me. I don't want to post anything that might slander Leon, myself, F-list or Zidonuke, so I'll keep from giving myself the chance to do that. In case it's required, I'll gladly talk about this in private though. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 14:24, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Rather ridiculous page ==

It was a very useful page when it still stated that he used to be an admin on f-list, and that he abused his power there. It was then reverted to simply stating that he's a furry and a programmer, which held no informational value whatsoever. But the way it is right now is just plain ridiculous in my opinion. "Best known for his work on F-list and Second Life"? He is not known for either of these, simply because his "work" mostly existed of hacking into everything that was remotely hackable. I suggest we either remove this page entirely, or put some truth on it, concerning what exactly makes Zidonuke a noteworthy person. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 16:24, 8 April 2011 (CEST)
:Notability is not required for an article. However, those supporting the refusal of an exclusion request should provide a clear reason for doing so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:33, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

==Removal of personal information==
I am requesting that in lieu of the article being excluded, information such as Zidonuke's location and real name be removed from both past and present revisions as they serve no useful purpose and exist solely to out Zidonuke's real life identity. Furthermore it violates privacy acts in certain jurisdictions to have such information listed. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 11:05, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
: I honestly don't mind his private information being removed, as I already stated in the previous discussion. All I want is that innocent people's security is higher on the priority list than a criminal's "security". In other words, people have the right to know this person's past, so that they can protect themselves against him. They don't need to know his real name for that, since he never uses it as a handle online anyway. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 11:24, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:I am fine with this, with the understanding that it will not affect any furry aliases which he may use now or in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:36, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::I can't forsee anyone using thier real name as an alias, if that arises Im sure it can be dealt with at the time. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 11:50, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

==Innocent until proven guilty?==

I've heard of what he did, but no ones proved any facts, wikifur is not a court.

Innocent until proven guilty? it seems to me these edits are an attempt at a kangaroo court? Viona, What jurisdiction are you in that you think it's ok to off the wall call him a career criminal without any real world legal trail taking place or a psychologist saying such. When he's within the custody of a court or prison service and has been sentenced by a Judge with a crime that's a proven fact he's committed then he's a criminal, and up until the single point he has served that amount of time a Judge asked him to serve and has left the jurisdiction of that court or prison service.

I don't see him charged with any crime, no link to any court documents or any evidence it was escalated beyond a TOS violation, so you don't have a free speech right to call him a criminal though he may have committed acts that where against the TOS of such websites and his punishment was a banned account, not a trip to court so please remember the rules on defamation, protecting the innocent is not an excuse for you to meek out your own brand of long term personal punishment.

It makes you look like a vigilante out for personal justice and vengeance. Which is what you appear to be in your own words, I've had experience with your types and I've been watching this and I'm disgusted in your attitude you're not a judge and neither is wikifur it's supposed to be factual not hearsay, back up what you say with facts linked to a court document or stop editing. If it's the truth then some part of it's ok to say but calling someone a criminal before it's a proven fact by a court of law might fall under defamation, and protecting the innocent as you put it should not be at the expense of his personal and legal rights. --[[User:Bunjie|Bunjie]] 12:14, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:Hmm hmm, now what exactly is the purpose of this post? Is it to call me a hypocrite? Is it to urge me into providing proof for what has happened? Is it to have stuff on here removed? You seem to be jumping from one subject onto another, and I'm not even sure whether you're getting ad hominem against me or not. Nevertheless, your first point is valid. Wikifur is not a court, therefore "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply here. We know what has happened, and what Zidonuke has done. Zidonuke has admitted it and has talked about it in public on multiple occasions. You know just as well as I do that he's wronged many people, and if I take the liberty to call him a criminal, I might be exaggerating (although I heard some rumours about Minecraft server owners dragging him to court, but then again, rumours are just rumours) but I'm certainly not in the wrong to do so. And no, I'm not here for personal vengeance. I'm simply here to protect the integrity of this article by posting the things I know. [[User:Viona|Viona]] 13:49, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Oversight ==

Shouldn't the edit [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Zidonuke&oldid=324778 here] also be suppressed as it contains information that was supposed to be removed from the article? [[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 17:22, 22 May 2013 (EDT)

:Huh, I guess I missed that one. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:30, 22 May 2013 (EDT)

== May 2013 edits ==

Due to edit warring, de formatting, wrong formating, redundant data, moving information to wrong sections, non-acceptable ref links, etc,... Plus the once stated prohibition of the reinsertion of personal data by [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]], the article is temp locked until I can get to it after working hours - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 12:07, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

::Needless to say I’m rather frustrated with the recent developments imposed by mindless entities, but rather than yelling and shouting I’m going to marshal my facts and explain why it is I believe that there was little wrong with revision 403031 of the article.

::Firstly I’d like to point out that there was no edit warring. Edit Warring is when two users are fighting about the content of a page. Could you please inform me as to where the edit warring between two users occurred? I understand that I was making rapid edits to the article but that was nothing which couldn’t be resolved with a talk page message either on my page or the article if it bothered anyone. The blanket protection of an article purely because an Administrator doesn’t agree with its content is absolutely ridiculous and counterproductive. And the “Piss off let me write it” attitude exhibited on this page can be responded to with nothing but contempt. How dare you. I get the vibe you’re in the wrong sort of business but that is purely my personal opinion.

::On the topic of personal information, I struggle to understand why adding the state, age, and publically associated company of the subject is such a gross violation of privacy. It would appear to me that Spirou and Higgs Raccoon have a bad case of Bi-Polar disorder. They love it when they personally hunt down and link to every single one of his private accounts, which “co-incidentally” contain ALL of the “private” information I posted on the article. Yet when well-meaning editor comes along to expand the article so it isn’t the vague stub seen in revision 346366, using information readily accessible by existing references and Google, an administrator locks the article, makes a sweeping deletion of a large block of text (which contained NO private information but established a pattern of behaviour which is relevant to the subject) and basically says “Step aside *pulls up pants* let the professionals handle this”. Not one attempt was made by the Administrator to communicate with me any of the following: A) The Style is incorrect B) That Pastebin reference isn’t useable, can you find another? Or C) Leave that information off. Not one attempt prior to full protection. Oh, and on another note, GreenReaper publically outs the guy’s full name on Furry News Network, yet he doesn’t want it done on Wikifur? Gold. What true hypocrisy.

::So why should the private information be included? I’ve argued both sides of this debate so I know it very well. You’ll know the reason it was removed from the article in the first place is because I personally asked for that to occur. So why the change of heart? Over time I have come to realise that some of the information does contribute to the substance and interpretation of the article. Obviously, a 44 year old computer programmer and a 22 year old computer programmer have different levels of maturity. The subject was barely out of his teens when he became well known for his negative behaviour (NPOV is something I’ll get too shortly). His age helps give readers and understanding of what benchmark of maturity they should be using when reading this article, is publically available information and was not his date of birth (which could be considered too private). His state not only gives further geographical context, such as southern or northern states, but it gives the reader an idea of which laws the subject is governed by. In many jurisdictions what the subject has done would be considered a felony. Knowing the jurisdiction adds this context. Lastly the workplace he is associated with establishes that he is a highly skilled person in the area of IT, working for a Fortune 500 company. In relation to the types of things he has done over the course of several years, any reader would naturally be interested in that information as it adds depth and clarity to the article. All this information, is public and indexed on the Internet. And yet when that information is compiled it’s seen as “oh no, bad”. THAN WHAT ARE YOU FOR? Isn’t an article meant to be a complete, factual representation of the subject? Isn't that your goal? To have a COMPLETE compendium of everything that furies want to know? You denied him the right to exclusion so don’t, for a second, claim that “Oh, he has a right to pick and choose what information he wants on the site”. As I said, Gold that it is absolutely fine to use his real name on Furry News Network, but don’t do it on Wikifur.

::Secondly, I understand and respect the need for articles to maintain a neutral tone. However it must be said that when 90% of everything that a person is known for is bad, the article may have an unavoidable negative tone by nature. You go to the article of any serial murderer or rapist on Wikipedia (a site with stricter guidelines than Wikifur) and you’ll realise that it’s not nice reading for the individual. Well, Zidonuke is a person who on a serial basis gains the trust of communities and then fucks them over. It’s the same thing. No amount of window dressing can avoid this. But does that mean we should only make brief mention of the person’s ills? No, it doesn’t. I’d happily expand on his contributions to Huggle or Second Life if that were duly possible, but unfortunately it is not possible since that’s all there is too it. But anyone who visits this article will no doubt want to know (in detail) about the F-List incident and all incidents that he has been involved with. We should not deprive them of that information out of some sick sense that it isn’t “fair” to list all the bad things when there is so little good to talk about. That..was..his..choice.

::And Lastly I concede to Spirou that the formatting may not have been ideal, that one or two references may have been ultra vires to Wikifur’s referencing policy. But that is what the edit button and talk page is for. You don’t need to use the protection button and shut everyone out because they styling is wrong. Because well, I’ve got news for you, the styling on 80%+ of Wikifur pages doesn’t follow the guide anyway. In regards to the duplicate referencing, I was cleaning that up and would have done so if not locked out by the benighted Administrator.

::So yes, have fun writing the article by yourself Spirou. I look forward to reading an article which covers all the topics, is completely referenced whilst still maintaining a neutral tone. Good luck with that and I’ll be sure to comment. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 12:52, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

:::Oh and, It should be noted that the subject of the article stuck on a NoIndex tag years ago after his exclusion request was declined and not one Administrator noticed it nor took the initiative to take it off. Yet when a well meaning editor spends an extensive amount of time trying to expand the article and give it detail, the article is protected and (again) the admin practically posts a civil "piss off let me do this" message on the talk page. If only they watched the things that really mattered, oh well, I guess I'm an idealist. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 13:01, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

::::''It would appear to me that Spirou and Higgs Raccoon have a bad case of Bi-Polar disorder. They love it when they personally hunt down and link to every single one of his private accounts, which “co-incidentally” contain ALL of the “private” information I posted on the article.''
::::A curious statement seeing as the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Zidonuke&limit=500&action=history only edits I have made to the Zidonuke article] were to roll back a blanking and to include his fursona species. Oh, and Leon? A word of advice: You might want to drop the personal insults or you'll find yourself blocked from editing.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 13:08, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

:::::But... I already am blocked from editing. It's called "I'd like to try and finish editing this page and I can't because benevolent dictator protected the only page I want to edit right now without even communicating with me prior". Also I see [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Zidonuke&diff=prev&oldid=403017 what happened] with the links and redact my remark about you "hunting them down", but the fact that you edited them (and did not remove them) is still tantamount to an endorsement of them being there. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 13:16, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

::::::Why is this stuff suddenly coming back up again? [[User:Zidonuke|Zidonuke]] 13:21, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

User:Zidonuke

Zidonuke

2011-02-25T12:43:23Z

Zidonuke:

Zidonuke

2011-02-24T20:42:24Z

Zidonuke: Takedown of info...

2011-02-07T07:01:28Z

Zidonuke: I'm willing to accept this but if you keep posting my personal information here I'll request WikiFur:Personal_exclusion

F-list

2011-02-06T15:43:34Z

Zidonuke: Undo revision 317038 by 203.122.240.118 (Talk)

[[File:FList-logo.jpg|right|250px]]
'''F-List''' is a directory of [[fursona]]s and [[paraphilia]]s associated with them for the purposes of [[roleplay]]. It allows people to list multiple characters for each account, talk in groups relevant to their interests and chat on their realtime roleplay chat.

* '''Address''': http://www.f-list.net/
** '''[[wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] server''': minecraft.f-list.net
* '''IRC''': [irc://irc.furnet.org/f-list #f-list] on [[Furnet]]
* '''Founder''': [[Hexxy]]
* '''Ran from/to''': July 2, 2009 - present

== Controversy ==
On the 3rd of Febuary 2011 (8:00 UTC) F-List was compromised by disgruntled ex-coder/moderator Zidonuke who was removed for abuse of privledges. The compromise resulted in all users being given admin privledges on the site and all users being given moderator in the chat. There were no admins around at the time. F-list was shortly taken offline after, with a broadcast on the chat by the ex-coder that there were no recent backups. It is uncertain whether the site was taken offline as a defensive measure by F-List staff or by the aforementioned ex-coder. As of now the site remains down. Private Data consisting of Email / IP / User logs were availiable to all users throught the "Log Viewer" page while the site was up.

== See also ==
* [[The Rabbit Hole]]
* [[House Eros K-List]]
{{website-stub}}

[[Category:Mature websites]]
[[Category:2009 births]]

F-list

2011-02-04T20:33:47Z

Zidonuke: /* Controversy */

[[File:FList-logo.jpg|right|250px]]
'''F-List''' is a directory of [[fursona]]s and [[paraphilia]]s associated with them for the purposes of [[roleplay]]. It allows people to list multiple characters for each account, talk in groups relevant to their interests and chat on their realtime roleplay chat.

* '''Address''': http://www.f-list.net/
** '''[[wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] server''': minecraft.f-list.net
* '''IRC''': [irc://irc.furnet.org/f-list #f-list] on [[Furnet]]
* '''Founder''': [[Hexxy]]
* '''Ran from/to''': July 2, 2009 - present

== Controversy ==
On the 3rd of Febuary 2011 (8:00 UTC) F-List was compromised by disgruntled ex-coder/moderator Zidonuke who was removed for abuse of privledges. The compromise resulted in all users being given admin privledges on the site and all users being given moderator in the chat. There were no admins around at the time. F-list was shortly taken offline after, with a broadcast on the chat by the ex-coder that there were no recent backups. It is uncertain whether the site was taken offline as a defensive measure by F-List staff or by the aforementioned ex-coder. As of now the site remains down. Private Data consisting of Email / IP / User logs were availiable to all users throught the "Log Viewer" page while the site was up.

== See also ==
* [[The Rabbit Hole]]
* [[House Eros K-List]]
{{website-stub}}

[[Category:Mature websites]]
[[Category:2009 births]]

User:Zidonuke

2011-02-04T16:08:21Z

Zidonuke: Created page with 'Nothing here yet Email: Zidonuke@gmail.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/zidonuke'

Nothing here yet

Email:
Zidonuke@gmail.com

Twitter:
http://twitter.com/zidonuke