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Talk:Zootopia

2016-03-08T18:05:01Z

Ya0i world:

==Interest==
Found an article [http://maxlevelgeek.com/2016/01/05/the-internet-is-arguing-over-whether-disneys-zootopia-is-furry-or-feminist-propaganda/ here] expressing that the film could, somehow, be a big deal for the fandom. My question is: is it that important? Doesn't the film deserve to be recognized as a ''furry genre'' film? For myself, I find it could be a great reference, an approach of the fandom that also draw the distinction between '''furry''' and '''funny animals''' (cf. ''Chicken Little''). Want to know what you think ;-) --Ya0i world
:Well, sure, that's why we have an article on it. If it weren't important to furry we'd just change links to direct readers to [[Wikipedia:Zootopia]]. :-)
:However, because it ''does'' have a Wikipedia article, ''this'' article should focus on matters specific to [[furry fandom]] in relation to the movie. There is no need to repeat content that will be available at Wikipedia, beyond the minimum provided for context. We should cover fan-art and fan projects, fan sites or [[:Category:Multiplayer worlds|multiplayer roleplaying worlds]] which relate to the movie, etc. - especially if those things are "interesting" to furries, but would not meet the conditions to be included in the Wikipedia article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:47, 19 February 2016 (EST)
:It's also not ''really'' the place of WikiFur's editors to deliver a direct opinion on whether the movie is "definitive of the furry genre" or something along those lines. That's the job of third-party reviewers like [[Fred Patten]] who give their considered opinions on news and feature sites such as ''[[Flayrah]]'', which we might then quote and reference here. Such recognition can come ''after'' the movie is released. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:52, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::Oki, I'm just want to play too fast x3 I should think sometimes... So all that's derivated from the movie and belong to the furry genre, but not the film itself for the moment! --Ya0i world
:::That should be our focus, yes. WikiFur's main job is to cover furry fandom. It's better to direct readers (and editors) to Wikipedia to read/write about the information about ''Zootopia'' which Wikipedia ''does'' cover, because the end result will be two better articles that do not contain repeated information. We do not want to waste anyone's time on reading or writing an article about the same thing. (Incidentally, you can sign your name and the date in discussions with: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> - there is more at [[Help:Editing]].) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:35, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::::Agreed, I understand! (knew for the ~sign thing but I didn't have any on my EN account x3) [[User:Ya0i world|Ya0i wolrd]] ([[User talk:Ya0i world|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2016 (EST)

== Importance in fandom history ==

Am I alone in thinking that this film may be as important to the furry fandom as ''[[Robin Hood]]'' and ''[[The Lion King]]'' were? So perhaps this article will eventually be as large as those articles. [[User:Dogman15|Dogman15]] ([[User talk:Dogman15|talk]]) 02:48, 5 March 2016 (EST)

I'm inclined to agree with this, especially after viewing the comments on [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/19205078/ this pic] by Kenket. [[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] ([[User talk:Tai 1|talk]]) 10:14, 5 March 2016 (EST)

: It certainly feels this way, but we won't see the total impact until perhaps after a few years. We'll edit the articles as that happens. --[[User:Kakurady|Kakurady]] ([[User talk:Kakurady|talk]]) 18:44, 5 March 2016 (EST)

::This. Remember ''[[W:Avatar|Avatar]]''? For a while it was all furries could talk about. Sure, this is cool too, and I'm there'll probably be long-term fans for years to come, but its true impact can only be measured in time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:00, 5 March 2016 (EST)

:::I think we're all really excited by the film because it's quite a 'global' idea of the fandom - a world with anthromorph + clever animals with no humans - so maybe a lot of fans can identity themselves to the little guys in the movie. Maybe it's like a fursona, at least in the idea (in less personnal). Personnaly i haven't ssen the movie yet but i feel kinda thanksful (without being sure that's justified), i'm just happy that there's a film that approach what i believe in and what i love, above all! So, when you see the films that Dogman15 quoted, you can notice that they're of the same gender - there is humans in Avatar, and it's more SF (not denying it's good, and i wasn't here to talk of furry interest -, it appears it could be a sort of pure, childish but also serious (the cute rabbit is a cop, there is action, suspens...) vision. SO i made my quick essai (:D) and i bet (or i hope, more) that this article will be huge, if the film is good like a large amount of the Disney's, it's all that it deserves. [[User:Ya0i world|Ya0i wolrd]] ([[User talk:Ya0i world|talk]]) 13:05, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Talk:Mundane

2016-02-25T21:23:36Z

Ya0i world: /* Translation of 'mundane' */

The problem here is that the term is usually not used 'sardonically', it's used insultingly (from what leverage, I'm not sure). cf. "Squick the mundanes". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:67.79.229.141|67.79.229.141]] ([[User talk:67.79.229.141|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/67.79.229.141|contribs]]) .

==Translation of 'mundane'==
I've a question, can we translate "mundane" by "mondain" in french? 'Cause in fact I think it means more something like "hype", and the dictionnary says "Banal" or "Terre-à-terre", that sounds pretty bad (in plural form too!)... So I'm lokking for a word to translate, and it's harsh! --Ya0i world 19/02/16 22:54

:In French, 'mondain' as applied to a person appears to be a positive word - a person who has experience of the world, who is part of high society. But when describing a person in English, 'mundane' has a ''negative'', pitying, condescending tone - it is a mild insult. A 'mundane (person)' does not possess the secret knowledge or special interests of people inside the group to which the speaker belongs, such as [[furry fandom]] or [[Wikipedia:Science fiction fandom|science fiction fandom]]. They are 'normal' and 'unknowing', in a bad way. In French, such a person might be described as 'ordinaire', 'banal', 'inconnaissance' or 'peu intéressant'. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:20, 19 February 2016 (EST)

::Okay, thanks! (I didn't saw your answer 'cause no notification and i forgot...). I still don't really know which word to put, so it will be the word "Mundane", or maybe a little search on forums & chats would help. Or start a discussion page to get a wonderrrful debate!

Category talk:Artists

2016-02-20T10:29:41Z

Ya0i world:

I ''did'' saw that the page has been erased, and that I ask a lot of questions. But does the list include all the artists that are represented by an article? Because - despite the fact that I know it is not the first thing to show about the fandom and that my personnal tastes ''could'' have a role in my request - I don't see a page for "mature content" artists such as Aaron (a little something, don't know if it's him), husky92, Maririn... So, I'm not crying or gngnhgn-ing, I just wonder if webcomics artist can have a page ^^ Maybe I just have missed it i dunno x) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Ya0i world|Ya0i world]] ([[User talk:Ya0i world|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ya0i world|contribs]]) .
:We do not have a separate category for mature artists, because they often do both clean and mature work. They are all just artists. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:28, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::Ok I was just asking, thx. So it's possible to do an article for any artist? Is there a condition for someone to have an article? Also, I saw a looot of articles about people, are these people met at conventions for example, I mean very amateur artists can be present? (If... hm.. eg a friend of mine draw in his room, he can have an article?). I'm just curious and I don't really know how it works. But it's great if everybody can have a slice of wiki :-)
:::We have no notability criteria for writing about artists, or people, other than that they be related in some reasonable way to furry fandom. This might include an artist who is not specifically furry themselves, but whose work is liked by furries. Basically, would furries be interested in learning about the person? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::::Sow it's pretty open, okay! [[User:Ya0i world|Ya0i wolrd]] ([[User talk:Ya0i world|talk]]) 17:47, 19 February 2016 (EST)
:::::Open within reason; even though [[W:Aesop|Aesop]] wrote fables with anthro content, they may be included (may), Aesop?, no so much. Wikipedia can handle that subject - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 18:09, 19 February 2016 (EST)
::::::Yeah, open to the relevant content so, however the popularity? If I understand we should include the content that (a) is furry interest and (b) should be handled by people within the community? ^-^ If it's too general, better let it to Wikipedia, but if the community can enjoy it, and that it's furry, direct to WF :-) [[User:Ya0i world|Ya0i wolrd]] ([[User talk:Ya0i world|talk]]) 05:29, 20 February 2016 (EST)

Category talk:Artists

2016-02-19T22:47:11Z

Ya0i world:

Talk:Zootopia

2016-02-19T22:44:15Z

Ya0i world:

Category talk:Artists

2016-02-19T22:38:53Z

Ya0i world:

Category talk:Artists

2016-02-19T22:26:33Z

Ya0i world: ~Just wanna know

*I ''did'' saw that the page has been erased, and that I ask a lot of questions. But does the list include all the artists that are represented by an article? Because - despite the fact that I know it is not the first thing to show about the fandom and that my personnal tastes ''could'' have a role in my request - I don't see a page for "mature content" artists such as Aaron (a little something, don't know if it's him), husky92, Maririn... So, I'm not crying or gngnhgn-ing, I just wonder if webcomics artist can have a page ^^ Maybe I just have missed it i dunno x)

Talk:Zootopia

2016-02-19T22:03:27Z

Ya0i world: /* Interest */

Talk:Mundane

2016-02-19T21:56:30Z

Ya0i world:

*The problem here is that the term is usually not used 'sardonically', it's used insultingly (from what leverage, I'm not sure). cf. "Squick the mundanes".
*I've a question, can we translate "mundane" by "mondain" in french? 'Cause in fact I think it means more something like "hype", and the dictionnary says "Banal" or "Terre-à-terre", that sounds pretty bad (in plural form too!)... So I'm lokking for a word to translate, and it's harsh! --Ya0i world 19/02/16 22:54

Talk:Zootopia

2016-02-19T21:37:35Z

Ya0i world: Is the film important for the genre?