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User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx: /* Is WikiFur Becoming the New Encyclopedia Dramatica? */ YES.

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder <S>mental problems</S> a mental disorder], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as the result of:
::::::* Ensuring articles have accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::It's nice that WikiFur has better coverage of Furry fandom than Wikipedia does, but you're doing so in a way that makes WikiFur barely more reliable than Encyclopedia Dramatica, and if you don't think that reflects poorly on the credibility of yourself or the wiki, you are sorely mistaken. If you don't like me pointing out problems here or elsewhere, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''. 2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement. 3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported].
::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Just for your information, Xydexx, I have been on WikiFur far longer than I've been on ED, and I don't see why it was relevant to bring this up, nor the fact that I have "mental Problems". It isn't a problem, it's a disorder, and, again, is irrelevant. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:46, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I stand corrected. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:55, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The pattern we've seen over at least the last year is that soon after you get involved in any discussion over content, you take on a very abrasive, sarcastic approach in your discussion. That tends to be very offputting to others you should be trying to work with (that's a polite way of saying ''it pisses people off''). Didn't anyone ever teach you the old adage, ''you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar''? In spite of this, at one point I made an effort to see past the abrasive, sarcastic nature of your posts to look for any valid criticisms, got a noticeboard set up, and all I got from you in response was more complaints. You don't make it easy for others to work with you!
:::::::The most recent discussion on [[Talk:Inflation]] indicates you haven't changed much. Being civil, diplomatic, and assuming good faith are among the basic tenets of wikis. You say you're trying to make correct, factually based edits, but to quote another adage, ''it's not just what you say but how you say it''. Continuing to annoy other contributors in the manner you've been doing may be regarded as uncivil behavior that could be considered cause for blocking your access to the site if it continues. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:54, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Fair enough, but I think my approach would be a lot less abrasive and sarcastic if my requests for assistance didn't involve trying to navigate WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards and getting stonewalled; if I had confidence that the so-called "curators" would actual do something about problems when they were pointed out; if I thought WikiFur were trying to be a fact-based encyclopedia instead of a faith-based one (i.e., the standard for inclusion on WikiFur is not whether it's true, but whether you ''believe'' it's true); if you actually took ''other'' contributors to task for their abrasive, sarcastic approach instead of singling me out for it.
::::::::For what it's worth, I do appreciate that you got involved in the discussion. It's just a little mind-blowing that y'all thought a discussion was necessary to reach "consensus" instead of just dealing with it the same way you normally deal with ''people adding nonsense to WikiFur1''. It would have saved everyone a lot of trouble. Just my $0.02.
::::::::1 I suppose the discussion was necessary was because y'all thought '''a guy claiming inflatable-hating ninjas were secretly breaking into his house while he was asleep and engaging in clandestine shenanigans and then leaving without a trace was credible enough to be taken at face value.''' Clearly, any ''sarcasm'' I dealt out in response to this was ''undeserved'' and I should have tried harder to ''work'' with him. (The funny thing is, when I stopped arguing with him and tried to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_talk:Popping_%28Under_revision%29&diff=prev&oldid=269259 help him expose the Russian Popper Mafia], I ended up getting banned for creating "hoax articles." Man, there's just no pleasing you guys!)
::::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:22, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: I Saw What You Did There ==

At first I didn't realize what you were talking about. Yes, I typed a few words into your ED page. No, I didn't go looking for it--I was looking through Category:Furries/People and saw a name I recognized.
I don't know why you seem to think I'm out to get you, or why you're so interested in my off-site exploits, but ED is a site for laughs. ''[[Lulz]]'', to be specific. Oh no, I used a site for its intended purpose! I must be a [[troll]] and a hater! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Afterthought: You thought I was an admin? I'm flattered. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 13:06, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lulz are not laughs. Lulz are what's left over after all the humor has been sucked out of a joke. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 10:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::Well, I suppose that is just your opinion, is it not? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:44, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, I'm certainly not alone in that opinion. And while you may think adding to an article about me on ''[[Encyclopædia_Dramatica#Privacy|a site intended for recreational harassment]]'' is funny, it says a lot about what an apology from you is worth. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:04, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::::An apology shows regret for the past. And, as adding five words to an article is not an attack by any means, I'm afraid I shan't apologize for it, if that's what you were expecting. Honestly, I don't much care how much you think anything related to me is worth--I'll go on and continue to live my life as I have been; and that includes editing both ED and WikiFur indiscriminately. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:19, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, we all have to live with the decisions we make. Hope you're happy with yours. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:06, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::As I fail to see how this could turn out negatively for me, I suppose I will be. The worst that could happen is that I become labeled a psuedofur or popufur, but I don't care much for labels. This is just the internet. Don't take me--or a page on a satirical and oft-offensive site--so seriously. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:45, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Watch what you wish for. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 12:11, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Oh, my! Doesn't that sound ominous! :-) [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:18, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Nevada. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 12:17, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Oklahoma? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:24, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== I smell butthurt ==

Xydexx, your hypocrisy astounds me. You accused me of causing drama off-site by typing four words that didn't reference you at all, yet you make a vicious, attacking blog entry challenging my location, age, and sex, as well as accusing me of being a Burned Fur. That's outrageous. Why would I be planning [[KIFF|a furmeet]] if I don't live in Kansas. Furthermore, why would I lie about living in such an isolated place? And while it is true I am [[wikipedia:bigender|bigendered]], my anatomy tells me that I am, in fact, female. Why would that surprise you? Did you think there were no females on the internet? And as for me being a Burned Fur: what proof do you have to back up such claims? You have questioned my integrity, Xydexx. Why? Are you so obsessed with me that I cause you to lose sleep at night unless you convince yourself that I'm a man in Hawaii? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 18:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Heh. Sounds like I got a little too close to the truth! Alas, you won't be the first [[User:Wolfkid23|troll sockpuppet]] Greenreaper's given ''carte blanche'' to on WikiFur, and probably won't be the last. Nothing personal. It probably says more about what WikiFur claims to be than anything you claim to be anyway. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:12, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm not a sock puppet. When have I made a single nonconstructive edit to this wiki? And if I'm a sock puppet, who controls me? [[Special:Contributions/174.126.213.241|174.126.213.241]] 22:33, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::You can drop the pretense. Did you really think you were going to get away with your little ruse?
:::I've gotta admit, you almost had me fooled. (You probably fooled Greenreaper, too, but he's like the poster child for gullibility.) Well played. I must admit I'm kinda curious whose picture you're using. Is she your daughter or something? I don't really wanna turn this into a commentary on your parenting skills, but using your daughter as a pawn in your trolling attempt is really kinda sad.
:::So now I guess the only question left is what did I do to you to make you so butthurt? Or are you just that desperate for attention from anyone who randomly shows up? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:40, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
::::HOO-HAH!
:::::That ''is'' my picture? And I'm not butthurt--it's a question. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:42, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Uh-huh. Sure it's your picture. I believe ya. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 10:55, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::That's good. But you still haven't answered my question. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:11, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

== Is WikiFur Becoming the New Encyclopedia Dramatica? ==
It is hilarious that you now consider disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously you've done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. The last time I pointed out you had a troll who had disrupted several other sites running amok on WikiFur, you lectured me about not calling a troll a troll and how we've gotta assume good faith and we need to include insane conspiracy theories in the name of NPOV even though it doesn't have anything to do with Furry fandom, '''but didn't do a single thing about the troll'''. Some folks might wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad], but I don't.
I mean, seriously, you keep driving away the editors who want to see WikiFur be the Furry Encyclopedia you [[User:GreenReaper/WikiFur:_By_and_for_the_furry_community|allegedly]] want it to be, and then wonder why you get criticized when you pull a bait-and-switch? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:13, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalism]] has a specific meaning on a wiki - as does [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruption]], within which I would include "preoccupying editors with matters that have nothing to do with improving articles". By this standard you have been more disruptive than almost any user in our six-year history. You seem obsessed with commenting negatively on my actions, past and present, to the point that you see ''blocking a serial wiki-vandal'' (who is [[Special:Log/block|still attacking the wiki]]) as an opportunity for criticism. It is as if I turned up to Anthrocon and started following [[Uncle Kage|Kage]] around, second-guessing his every move while telling everyone he talked to how I disagreed with a decision he made in 2001. It is obnoxious, and does not improve the wiki in any way. Please stop it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::According to the link you posted, Vandalism is "any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and '''inserting patent nonsense''' into a page." Our disagreement stems from the fact that you consider a guy who claims there's a conspiracy of inflatable-hating ninjas breaking into his house at night a "content dispute" whereas I consider it <S>rampant fucknuttery</S> patent nonsense.
::The other link you posted defines Disruption as "a pattern of edits, which may extend over a considerable period of time or number of articles, that has the effect of: disrupting progress toward improving an article, or; disrupting progress toward the fundamental project of building an encyclopedia." While we agree on improving articles and building an encyclopedia, where we differ is the best way to do that. I think articles are improved by removing patent nonsense and focusing on what the encyclopedia is about, whereas you feel articles are improved by arguing with trolls and allowing them to use WikiFur as a forum for arguments that have nothing to do with what the encyclopedia is about. So yes, my edits are "disruptive", but probably has to do with the fact that The Powers That Be seem more interested in making excuses for problems and making it an uphill battle to fix them. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 23:35, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::'''Epilogue:''' Greenreaper's knee-jerk defense of the 34-year-old EDiot troll who is intent on dropping dox on the guy who just wants WikiFur to be about Furry fandom pretty much says everything that needs to be said about the way WikiFur is run these days. I'm done. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

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== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, it's no problem. I've been incredibly busy at work this whole month myself. Whenever you can give your time, it is appreciated - but don't kill yourself over not being able to. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This is an apology to you, sorry for my rashness. Having a bit of hell but that's no excuse. Won’t happen again I hope, but always feel free to put me in my place. --[[User:Atrumnex101|Atrumnex101]] 17:06, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please delete my article. ==

Hey there. I was wondering if you could delete the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fidge for me. I've lost interest in keeping up with wikipedia and stuff and I would like my own page removed. Thanks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fidge|Fidge]] ([[User talk:Fidge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fidge|contribs]]) .
:It's not your page, it's our page about you - even if you started it. However, we do have an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion policy]], which I have applied to that page. Please contact myself or another administrator if you would like to revert this exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism targeted at Anthrochat-related articles ==

Seems that some members from Anthrochat have taken to vandalising particular articles. I've reverted [[Anthrochat]] and [[Furrycoffeeshop]] a few times already today. Is it possible to get those pages protected somehow? Thanks. :) [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 19:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:We do not normally protect pages unless vandalism becomes unmanageable, or a "time-out" is needed between editors. However, the two anonymous users concerned have been blocked for inserting inaccurate information before, and they have now been blocked for a longer period for the same reason. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Allright, seems fair, thanks. I'm just not sure it will help much, because I know the people behind those IPs. They'll probably just come back in 2 weeks and do it again... :/ [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 20:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted Images ==

I can understand the copyright violation, but 'there is agreement that the work was used'? Unless I am understanding you wrong, there was no agreement - you stated that yourself. If I were to upload these again under a different usage, would they be removed again?

[[User:Rinduri|Rinduri]] 00:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:Nobody disagrees that Tuqiri used Vailwolf's work in the art show - just whether or not it was "fair use" to do so. Therefore, there is little justification for using copyrighted works to show this, especially against the wishes of ''both'' copyright holders.
:As I understand it, you were already advised by Vailwolf that she did not wish you to redistribute her work. I think you should strongly reconsider your reasons and legal grounds for doing so regardless. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Change picture? ;-) ==

A pal of mine, Aatheus, showed me a picture of me and a fellow CATS cosplayer that is on the various Wikis in the Furry sections. Fantastic to be seen, but oh gosh, can we somehow find a more.. er... flattering image? I can't say that makeup was one of my best now is the wig any good. Can you please contact me so that I can provide a better picture that is by far more suitable? Please note me here on Wikifur or email me.

This is the one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR_FC2007_furry_cats_costumers.jpg

Best purrs,

[[User:Twospotz|Twospotz]] (Among CATS folks known as Ahdeya - that blackclad CATS cat lady....)

:''Replied via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Blanking ==
Hi there! Please don't remove all content from pages, as you did with [[Inuki]]. Such changes will be reverted, especially when no reason is given. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's what she gets for degrading me
:"Like most Thieves, she claims to ask before applying her edits, however this is in fact a lie. Even if it were true she posts her edited pictures in sites that do now allow such works and considers them traced or stolen, hence her label in the fandom as an Art Thief"

:She added that to my page without my permission -Twilightwolf4:

::I'm not sure you have the right person. Inuki is from Germany; the edits in question came from an IP address that traces to New York. Regardless, such edits just waste ''our'' time, not the subject's. Please refrain from them in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent editing of a userpage?

:[[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] can do lots of things - though page protection is usually a last resort. If there's clearly an ongoing problem, other will step in. Note that you have the ability to watch pages, and to be emailed when an edit is made to them.
:Bear in mind that like most public wikis, WikiFur is open to all editors. While user pages will generally be left to the user concerned, if the information on them appears particularly one-sided, others may be inclined to edit them. Content that appears to be a description of a subject may also be moved to the main namespace and edited further, as user pages are not intended to replace or duplicate articles (compare [[GreenReaper]] and [[User:GreenReaper]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd rather not have my page altered
Especially not with lies made by anti-furs

:Well, and here's where it gets tricky - when it comes to a wiki, it's ''not'' "your page". It's "our page about you". The User: page is intended to provide information relating to your contributions to WikiFur - not as a venue for presenting your own opinion of yourself without fear of rebuttal; nor for criticizing others, especially when it comes to off-wiki matters. That stuff belongs on your homepage, and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|we're not a hosting site]]. If you want a page which only you can edit, you should probably look elsewhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is deleting possible?
Although 'they' would make a new page about me anyway, ah well, life goes on, popularity has ups and downs, plus, not a lot of people know about my page...

there's no need to reply back to this

== Wiki tagline ==

Just a quick note, because I've noticed it before but not gotten around to asking you about it... Is it possible to get the tagline to WikiLurv changed on the int'l portal for grammar reasons? "Den lurviga encyklopedin", would probably be the best translation of WikiFur's "the furry encyclopedia". Either that or "Den svenska furryencyklopedin" ("The swedish furry encyclopedia" - the former implies that the wiki itself is covered in fur, the latter that it's a furry-related encyclopedia; I'm not sure which WikiFur's tagline is supposed to imply); I'm not married to either translation, just want the grammar straightened out. At your convenience, of course. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 13:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I've tweaked this now; you may have to force a refresh to see it. I guess the meaning I intended is really more the latter, but I used the former because it's shorter and doesn't specify the language, which would obliviate the point of a universal tagline (assuming that "Den furryencyklopedin" is also grammatically incorrect). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers! --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I'm glad i was able to help confirming the truth of the article on The Deadly Wolves. Though now that the edi war been taken care of. I'm going to need a bit of help with the article of his. Since i do have concern that this will most become an edit war whenever the confirmination of the truth comes out. (Hoping it doesn't get to that point.) --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 20:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just let us know what you have to work with on the article's attached discussion page, and we can all pitch in. It's hardly the first time we've had to document contentious subjects. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well anyway i've finished with citing all of my refs about the subject. I've mentioned this on the subject talk page. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming Subject talk page] Basically it's all in a notepad. Though is it alright to post all of what i found so it be easier to find what can be used for this article. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 21:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that'd be OK - other editors can make use of it in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright but where since there's a lot of stuff. Should i post it all on my talk page then?--[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::You should post it on the talk pages for the relevant articles, because that's where other editors will look. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright then and i'm done with the first part. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming#References_of_Ban_Evasions References of ban evasions] I will be posting the other part in the Deadly Wolves Article Section since the next part is mostly related to that. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 04:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change? ==

I don't have an LJ, so I figured this would be the place to ask for it. If it's not an inconvenience, going from "Twilight-wolf" to just "Twilight" would help lots. I've checked around the site, there doesn't seem to be a user with that name, if it's available, I'll take it. If not, I'll come up with something else.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Twilight-wolf|Twilight-wolf]] ([[User talk:Twilight-wolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twilight-wolf|contribs]]) .

:Unfortunately the name Twilight was registered earlier this year. I would be glad to rename your account to something else, though. You already have both Twilight-Wolf and Twilight-wolf (different capitalizations) - it would be good if you logged into the former so that I can merge them before renaming. (The account was created on Wikia.com; if you have forgotten the password, you'll need to go there to reset it first.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Furry Fashion ==

Wondering if This is appropriate for this site
I run furry fashion the largest furry clothing and accessory store in second life, we are a furry community 3 sims wide, with over 4500 members, 70 furs employed, 4000 items for sale, a welcome centre to help new furs get started and explain what furs are, homes, a mall, events and other other furry things. I have been asked before if we have a page here but I wasn't sure if we was allowed to have one. I have noticed AX , another SL furry company does but wanted to be sure first before making one.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
[[User:Amethysia|Amethysia]] (Amethyst Crystal in second life)
:Hi Amethysia! You're welcome to start an article about your group (presumably at [[Furry Fashion]]). However, we do require that all articles be [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Explanation of the neutral point of view|neutral]] - so try to stick to the facts. Basically, if it doesn't ''sound'' like it was written by you, that's probably a good start. If what you say is true, the facts should be impressive by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Could I be unblocked from your AIM list? When I talked to you at FC2011 you made it sound like you would once you were back home but so far I've not seen it, and even Ayukawataur hasn't relayed any messages saying if you would or not.

--Mozdoc

== Just wanted another's opinion. ==

Hi, I am very new to this (is it a wiki?) wiki, and I was wondering if you could check out my user page and tell me if I fit into the Fandom. I am still learning new things every day, and I am young, but I believe I am a Furry. Since nobody's shoved a pen and paper in my hand and said "You're a Furry, please add your name to the list", I was wanting an opinion from someone more knowledgable on the subject than I, and I thought asking you would be a good idea. Plus, I noticed on your page that you developed an interest in this whole system too at a young age. If you will, please leave a reply on my talk page. I am user:Perservere. Thank you.
:Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals. It seems like you fit the definition. How you express that interest is up to you! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I was actually nervous about being scrutinized about my age, my reasons, and such, but you didn't say a word about it. I am ecstatic that (ridiculous though it may sound) I am "classified" so to speak. Going off topic, (just wanted to say this) I find it hilarious that most people who make fun of Furries, 1. Often quote Encyclopedia Dramatica, 2. Most likely are/were fans of the Warner Bros (you know Tom and Jerry among others), and 3. Repeat the same insults over and over. Going back, I can't thank you enough for being so accepting of me. I have actually dealt with people who attacked me for my interests on the subject, but I'm just glad that I have finally gotten clarity on the question of "Am I? or am I not?". Thanks so much, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 17:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Spam filter exception ==

I'm linking to my survey's results page, and want "<tt><nowiki>Results</nowiki></tt>" to "<tt><nowiki>[http://bit.ly/UltFurSur2011stats Results]</nowiki></tt>" on [[UFS2011]] —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 15:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:That link doesn't seem to work, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I meant /UFS2011stats —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 01:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting how you put a message first! ==

I believe (even if in a small way) that the article is relevant. Examples being any sort of reptilian anthropomorph, as on your page "Scalies", and any possible others (not much of an argument, I know, but I'm determined). I have revised that article with more accurate information, examples, and links. I will also add a "Species List", of what furry creatures are considered cold-blooded. Keep in mind, I'm not looking to fight anyone, overeaction is all too common. I see your point of view, but we can't trade thoughts. Anyways, good luck, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you see some relevance in the article now, sir? I certainly do. [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Two images ==

A little bit ago I was trying to handle a situation where a new user had uploaded an image with a "generic" filename, in this case Example.jpg, for which there was an existing file by the same name, and he apparently had simply replaced the existing image with the new one. What I would like to have done, but couldn't figure out how, was to "fork" both the new and old versions, i.e. to rename the image per the new version, then revert the redirect to point to the old one (which I was also going to rename to something more meaningful than Example.jpg). As far as I was able to determine, the only way to do this was to save one of the versions of the image and re-create it as a new image. Do you know of a better way to do this? Incidentally, it turned out the old version was being referenced by [[User:Ratty913|only one user page]], and the overwritten version of the image was uploaded more recently and by a different user, and therefore was probably not the one intended by the userpage author, so it is now effectively a deleted image, though in actuality it still lives on in the version history of the [[:File:MorinWolf.jpg|renamed image]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I do not believe there is a way to do image forking in MediaWiki. The best solution is probably to upload the new image to a separate page, revert the old image, delete the revision of the new image that is on the old image page and then move that to a better filename. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please remove my name and email address from this article ==

Hi,

I would really appreciate it if you could remove my name and email address from this question I asked several years ago?

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Forum:Furry_comics

It comes up when people search my name in search engines so i'd really appreciate it if those bits could be removed?

Thank you

P {{unsignedIP|78.147.58.35}}

:I've redacted the e-mail address from that article. Since you posted this request as an anonymous IP user, we can't tell what your name is and there are several mentioned in the article. You could just change the article yourself. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

- Fab, thanks, have done.

::Sorry for the reversion, I didn't see this discussion, and didn't know there was a legitimate request to remove that information (or that it was even the original user doing it). -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 03:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Article Frequency? ==

Hey GreenReaper :)

I'm curious how often the Featured Articles are updated? It seems like the current one on the [[Nephilim]] has been there for quite some time.

[[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:The front page is setup to rotate them weekly, and a process for updating them is at [[WikiFur:Featured articles]]/[[WikiFur:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidates]]. However, no one editor has taken a lead in doing so, and so they remain un-updated (this has been a problem since 2007, as I've been increasingly involved with work and [[WikiFur News]]/[[Flayrah]]). A replacement involving dynamic selection of articles from a collection is on my list for after our [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/87354.html server move], but if you're interested in helping out right now, it looks like [[Oklacon]] has support. There's no rule to say you can't promote one you nominated! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== King of the Internet ==

Furries make the internet go; Green Reaper makes the furrydom go; ergo, Green Reaper makes the internet go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:69.169.167.47|69.169.167.47]] ([[User talk:69.169.167.47|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.169.167.47|contribs]]) .

:No [[meatball:GodKing|gods or kings]]; only [[Creatures:Norn|norn]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

== Username Change ==

GreenReaper, is it possible for you to rename my username to BlueOtter, merging my user paging into the existing [[BlueOtter]] article? Thanks in advance! [[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 22:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::You are ridiculously fast... and awesome. Thank you. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 22:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:There seems to be some confusion, however. User pages are intended for information about the user ''on WikiFur''. They are not intended to separate people from their characters. The main-space page is a third-person account intended to be edited by all, while the user page is typically written by the editor in first person, who may give background to their editing activities or provide details of a non-encyclopedic nature (e.g. contact info). Compare [[User:GreenReaper|my user page]] and [[GreenReaper]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I believe I understand, but how do you suggest then separating real-life people who are referred to by their character names as a pseudonym (who only give such a name), but also have distinct eponymous characters? For instance, my year of birth or occupation don't have any baring on these attributes for my characters, and applying for instance, the Programming category to my real-person make sense, but not BlueOtter, the character and online persona. Would you suggest a disambiguation page in this case for person vs. character? I just want to make sure I do things right and consistent with the patterns you and others have established. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 14:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Because most furs use their character names to represent themselves, articles under their names are assumed to be primarily about the person ("People" is invariably the first category). Their character is either treated as if it were "part of the person" and integrated throughout ("RandomFurry is a grey wolf and software developer who lives in Newark") or described in a separate "Character" section of the same article, depending on the attitude that the subject has to their primary character. In your case, a section might be most appropriate - you can restate any differing information such as age or personal characteristics in that area. The categories are combined at the end, unless the character has a different name. (In that case - often used by fursuiters - we normally make a separate section for the characters, then make the character name a redirect to that section and put the character-specific categories on the redirect page so that the character name shows up in those categories - e.g. YellowOtter == <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[RandomFurry#Character]][[Category:Otter characters]]</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Another approach to take if your life outside fandom is not a major factor in your activities is to treat the character as the primary topic and have a separate section labelled something like "Real life". The order of categories would remain the same, however. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== People who don't get it ==

Just had a look at recent edits and wow... [[User:Meepsheep|'''Meepsheep''']] appears to be racking up an impressive number of block evasions (assuming Meepsheep is the original account). Talk about failing to get the message. Would it be effective to block all logins from that IP? Or would that be against Wikifur's policies/ethos? Just wondering, because one could spend a lot of time just keeping track of this one clown. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:I did, however many proxy addresses were used in an attempt to circumvent it. I have filed an abuse report with Comcast. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Too bad Comcast doesn't care about your insignificant wiki drama. --[[User:HiggoLippo|HiggoLippo]] 06:11, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Impending Edit War ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fritter

The user [[User:Skittle|'''Skittle''']] has set out to edit the Fritter wikifur page in an effort to remove all information on Fritter's accused from, this information is widely publicly in countless media outless. Skittle's announced his full intention to edit the article to his needs and has no interest in discussion of the issue. Skittle claims that Fritter has requested the page be removed but has no evidence of this. With this intention for an edit war, reverting the article seems futile and I would like an administrator to step in and clarify the rules in this case of 'Publicly available private information' as it seems it would be the most expedient solution. [[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] 00:50, 9 April 2011 (CEST)

== For the record. ==

I removed the link to zidonuke.net (Which is hosted on Zidonuke's home connection) because I felt that given the history of the owner of that domain, that linking to it has an increased potential unduely expose unsuspecting Wikifur users to hazards such as malware etc. I see you re-added that link and hope you reconsider doing so. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Requesting removal ==

Hi, I was wondering if I could have the page about me (entitled Zest Wolf) deleted. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:131.191.24.124|131.191.24.124]] ([[User talk:131.191.24.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/131.191.24.124|contribs]]) .
:Hi! We need to confirm all removal requests actually come from the people concerned; I'll attempt to contact you via your MSN account or failing that, your dA account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Vandal Ban Appeal ==

Please ban [[User:Loxx]] and delete the pages they made, as they are mindless vandalism. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:40, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
:I already did. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sae that. You're rather fast. Thank you! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

== Problem with deletion ==

Hi, GreenReaper

I'm having a problem deleting the items on the '''F''' section of (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_deletion). Any suggestions, please? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:Could you be more specific? The one which is there now should be there because [[Template:Inappropriate]] is on it. There was [[Template talk:Furry potential|another]] which had the category tag in the text; I changed it in a link to the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== I have my reasons ==

There are limits to what should and shouldn't be publicly displayed. I'm sure you understand that. By allowing my birth date, my state and city of residence, my full name, and links to profiles that are otherwise irrelevant to cited information, puts my real life in jeopardy. All it takes is one person to say "I'm gonna be the internet white knight" and start doing background checks, or attempt identity theft, to make my already turbulent life to take that much more of a turn for the worst. If it makes it any better, I'll personally write the entry as it should be, and as it should be less threatening to my wellbeing. If anything were to happen to me, I would be certain to connect this website directly with the leaking of my personal information. Now, that isn't a threat but merely what would happen if my real life personal information remains so publicly displaced as it was here.
Possibly if you could just delete the entry all together, I will leave in peace and never return lest I need to defend myself again, as I'm sure you understand.- {{unsigned|Rainbowcandy}}

== Since you deleted the advertisement page... ==

Since you deleted the spam page about car insurance, could you also block [[User:Carinsurancequotes]]? Their name implies they're just here to spam the site with that, so... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:54, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ginger Vixen ==
Hi, Ginger Vixen here.

I must request, please, due to family issues, that you delete my WikiFur page. Many thanks. [[User:Gingervixen|Ging]] 12:34, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Flags ==

Hi there !

I've just been updating the [[ConFuzzled 2011]] entry, adding in the attendee list by country. Although I've entered what I believe are the correct ISO codes, several countries all seem to have the same flag symbol - specifically Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Hungary and Lithuania..... am I using the right ISO code set, or is there a bug ? Cheers. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:15, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:A [[:File:Flags.png|flag sprite]] contains the images specified in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. If the codes concerned are not in that list, they will not work. Apparently it needs to be updated. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:10, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. Equivamp 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re:Features ==

I know, I was just teasin' ya. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 09:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account Control ==

Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:57, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== [[Furry Feet & Naylon]] ==

That is all. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:45, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Holy Crap ==

New Featured article! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Article History ==

Is there any way you could delete the history of [[Equivamp]] without deleting the article itself? And this includes edit summaries. Personal information that has since been removed from the article doesn't need to be discovered, but I have reason to believe someone will attempt to "drop dox" on me very, very, soon, and that's something I could do without. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Can you give the date of the last revision that you are concerned with? Your recent edits do not appear to involve such information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::The first few edits contain my legal name. That's what I'm concerned about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:41, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I think we [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Equivamp&dir=prev&limit=100&action=history should be good now]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks a ton. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:49, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Blocking Meepsheep ==

Wait, so I'm not welcome here? Meepsheep wasn't making negative edits, as far as I saw. We're welcome there, as long as we're good; aren't we supposed to assume good faith? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:22, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:This is hilarious on so many levels. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:38, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:Meepsheep has been responsible for significant disruption of this wiki in the past few months, as he has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meepsheep/Archive|at Wikipedia]] and [[Wikia:c:sonic:Category:Sockpuppets of MeepSheep|several]] [[Wikiquote:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Meepsheep|other]] [http://heroeswiki.com/User_talk:Meepsheep wikis]. Massive, continued proxy abuse, front page and template vandalism, you name it. I have reported this abuse to his ISP on more than one occasion. He is not welcome here, period. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:To answer your more general question: contributors to WikiFur are expected to remain neutral, and actions which call this neutrality into question are problematic. We ''cannot'' assume you are editing an article about a person in good faith if you are also making fun of them over at ED (or elsewhere). I have blocked at least one editor for this precise activity in the past. You really need to make a choice – do you want to be known as a person who fairly and dispassionately reports on the fandom and those within in, or one who publicly documents the weaknesses and failings of fellow fans for your own amusement? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Is WikiFur Becoming the New Encyclopedia Dramatica? ==
It is hilarious that you now consider disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously you've done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. The last time I pointed out you had a troll who had disrupted several other sites running amok on WikiFur, you lectured me about not calling a troll a troll and how we've gotta assume good faith and we need to include insane conspiracy theories in the name of NPOV even though it doesn't have anything to do with Furry fandom, '''but didn't do a single thing about the troll'''. Some folks might wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad], but I don't.
I mean, seriously, you keep driving away the editors who want to see WikiFur be the Furry Encyclopedia you [[User:GreenReaper/WikiFur:_By_and_for_the_furry_community|allegedly]] want it to be, and then wonder why you get criticized when you pull a bait-and-switch? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:13, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalism]] has a specific meaning on a wiki - as does [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruption]], within which I would include "preoccupying editors with matters that have nothing to do with improving articles". By this standard you have been more disruptive than almost any user in our six-year history. You seem obsessed with commenting negatively on my actions, past and present, to the point that you see ''blocking a serial wiki-vandal'' (who is [[Special:Log/block|still attacking the wiki]]) as an opportunity for criticism. It is as if I turned up to Anthrocon and started following [[Uncle Kage|Kage]] around, second-guessing his every move while telling everyone he talked to how I disagreed with a decision he made in 2001. It is obnoxious, and does not improve the wiki in any way. Please stop it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::According to the link you posted, Vandalism is "any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and '''inserting patent nonsense''' into a page." Our disagreement stems from the fact that you consider a guy who claims there's a conspiracy of inflatable-hating ninjas breaking into his house at night a "content dispute" whereas I consider it <S>rampant fucknuttery</S> patent nonsense.
::The other link you posted defines Disruption as "a pattern of edits, which may extend over a considerable period of time or number of articles, that has the effect of: disrupting progress toward improving an article, or; disrupting progress toward the fundamental project of building an encyclopedia." While we agree on improving articles and building an encyclopedia, where we differ is the best way to do that. I think articles are improved by removing patent nonsense and focusing on what the encyclopedia is about, whereas you feel articles are improved by arguing with trolls and allowing them to use WikiFur as a forum for arguments that have nothing to do with what the encyclopedia is about. So yes, my edits are "disruptive", but probably has to do with the fact that The Powers That Be seem more interested in making excuses for problems and making it an uphill battle to fix them. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 23:34, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

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== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, it's no problem. I've been incredibly busy at work this whole month myself. Whenever you can give your time, it is appreciated - but don't kill yourself over not being able to. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This is an apology to you, sorry for my rashness. Having a bit of hell but that's no excuse. Won’t happen again I hope, but always feel free to put me in my place. --[[User:Atrumnex101|Atrumnex101]] 17:06, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please delete my article. ==

Hey there. I was wondering if you could delete the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fidge for me. I've lost interest in keeping up with wikipedia and stuff and I would like my own page removed. Thanks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fidge|Fidge]] ([[User talk:Fidge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fidge|contribs]]) .
:It's not your page, it's our page about you - even if you started it. However, we do have an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion policy]], which I have applied to that page. Please contact myself or another administrator if you would like to revert this exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism targeted at Anthrochat-related articles ==

Seems that some members from Anthrochat have taken to vandalising particular articles. I've reverted [[Anthrochat]] and [[Furrycoffeeshop]] a few times already today. Is it possible to get those pages protected somehow? Thanks. :) [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 19:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:We do not normally protect pages unless vandalism becomes unmanageable, or a "time-out" is needed between editors. However, the two anonymous users concerned have been blocked for inserting inaccurate information before, and they have now been blocked for a longer period for the same reason. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Allright, seems fair, thanks. I'm just not sure it will help much, because I know the people behind those IPs. They'll probably just come back in 2 weeks and do it again... :/ [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 20:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted Images ==

I can understand the copyright violation, but 'there is agreement that the work was used'? Unless I am understanding you wrong, there was no agreement - you stated that yourself. If I were to upload these again under a different usage, would they be removed again?

[[User:Rinduri|Rinduri]] 00:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:Nobody disagrees that Tuqiri used Vailwolf's work in the art show - just whether or not it was "fair use" to do so. Therefore, there is little justification for using copyrighted works to show this, especially against the wishes of ''both'' copyright holders.
:As I understand it, you were already advised by Vailwolf that she did not wish you to redistribute her work. I think you should strongly reconsider your reasons and legal grounds for doing so regardless. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Change picture? ;-) ==

A pal of mine, Aatheus, showed me a picture of me and a fellow CATS cosplayer that is on the various Wikis in the Furry sections. Fantastic to be seen, but oh gosh, can we somehow find a more.. er... flattering image? I can't say that makeup was one of my best now is the wig any good. Can you please contact me so that I can provide a better picture that is by far more suitable? Please note me here on Wikifur or email me.

This is the one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR_FC2007_furry_cats_costumers.jpg

Best purrs,

[[User:Twospotz|Twospotz]] (Among CATS folks known as Ahdeya - that blackclad CATS cat lady....)

:''Replied via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Blanking ==
Hi there! Please don't remove all content from pages, as you did with [[Inuki]]. Such changes will be reverted, especially when no reason is given. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's what she gets for degrading me
:"Like most Thieves, she claims to ask before applying her edits, however this is in fact a lie. Even if it were true she posts her edited pictures in sites that do now allow such works and considers them traced or stolen, hence her label in the fandom as an Art Thief"

:She added that to my page without my permission -Twilightwolf4:

::I'm not sure you have the right person. Inuki is from Germany; the edits in question came from an IP address that traces to New York. Regardless, such edits just waste ''our'' time, not the subject's. Please refrain from them in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent editing of a userpage?

:[[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] can do lots of things - though page protection is usually a last resort. If there's clearly an ongoing problem, other will step in. Note that you have the ability to watch pages, and to be emailed when an edit is made to them.
:Bear in mind that like most public wikis, WikiFur is open to all editors. While user pages will generally be left to the user concerned, if the information on them appears particularly one-sided, others may be inclined to edit them. Content that appears to be a description of a subject may also be moved to the main namespace and edited further, as user pages are not intended to replace or duplicate articles (compare [[GreenReaper]] and [[User:GreenReaper]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd rather not have my page altered
Especially not with lies made by anti-furs

:Well, and here's where it gets tricky - when it comes to a wiki, it's ''not'' "your page". It's "our page about you". The User: page is intended to provide information relating to your contributions to WikiFur - not as a venue for presenting your own opinion of yourself without fear of rebuttal; nor for criticizing others, especially when it comes to off-wiki matters. That stuff belongs on your homepage, and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|we're not a hosting site]]. If you want a page which only you can edit, you should probably look elsewhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is deleting possible?
Although 'they' would make a new page about me anyway, ah well, life goes on, popularity has ups and downs, plus, not a lot of people know about my page...

there's no need to reply back to this

== Wiki tagline ==

Just a quick note, because I've noticed it before but not gotten around to asking you about it... Is it possible to get the tagline to WikiLurv changed on the int'l portal for grammar reasons? "Den lurviga encyklopedin", would probably be the best translation of WikiFur's "the furry encyclopedia". Either that or "Den svenska furryencyklopedin" ("The swedish furry encyclopedia" - the former implies that the wiki itself is covered in fur, the latter that it's a furry-related encyclopedia; I'm not sure which WikiFur's tagline is supposed to imply); I'm not married to either translation, just want the grammar straightened out. At your convenience, of course. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 13:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I've tweaked this now; you may have to force a refresh to see it. I guess the meaning I intended is really more the latter, but I used the former because it's shorter and doesn't specify the language, which would obliviate the point of a universal tagline (assuming that "Den furryencyklopedin" is also grammatically incorrect). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers! --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I'm glad i was able to help confirming the truth of the article on The Deadly Wolves. Though now that the edi war been taken care of. I'm going to need a bit of help with the article of his. Since i do have concern that this will most become an edit war whenever the confirmination of the truth comes out. (Hoping it doesn't get to that point.) --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 20:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just let us know what you have to work with on the article's attached discussion page, and we can all pitch in. It's hardly the first time we've had to document contentious subjects. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well anyway i've finished with citing all of my refs about the subject. I've mentioned this on the subject talk page. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming Subject talk page] Basically it's all in a notepad. Though is it alright to post all of what i found so it be easier to find what can be used for this article. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 21:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that'd be OK - other editors can make use of it in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright but where since there's a lot of stuff. Should i post it all on my talk page then?--[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::You should post it on the talk pages for the relevant articles, because that's where other editors will look. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright then and i'm done with the first part. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming#References_of_Ban_Evasions References of ban evasions] I will be posting the other part in the Deadly Wolves Article Section since the next part is mostly related to that. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 04:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change? ==

I don't have an LJ, so I figured this would be the place to ask for it. If it's not an inconvenience, going from "Twilight-wolf" to just "Twilight" would help lots. I've checked around the site, there doesn't seem to be a user with that name, if it's available, I'll take it. If not, I'll come up with something else.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Twilight-wolf|Twilight-wolf]] ([[User talk:Twilight-wolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twilight-wolf|contribs]]) .

:Unfortunately the name Twilight was registered earlier this year. I would be glad to rename your account to something else, though. You already have both Twilight-Wolf and Twilight-wolf (different capitalizations) - it would be good if you logged into the former so that I can merge them before renaming. (The account was created on Wikia.com; if you have forgotten the password, you'll need to go there to reset it first.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Furry Fashion ==

Wondering if This is appropriate for this site
I run furry fashion the largest furry clothing and accessory store in second life, we are a furry community 3 sims wide, with over 4500 members, 70 furs employed, 4000 items for sale, a welcome centre to help new furs get started and explain what furs are, homes, a mall, events and other other furry things. I have been asked before if we have a page here but I wasn't sure if we was allowed to have one. I have noticed AX , another SL furry company does but wanted to be sure first before making one.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
[[User:Amethysia|Amethysia]] (Amethyst Crystal in second life)
:Hi Amethysia! You're welcome to start an article about your group (presumably at [[Furry Fashion]]). However, we do require that all articles be [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Explanation of the neutral point of view|neutral]] - so try to stick to the facts. Basically, if it doesn't ''sound'' like it was written by you, that's probably a good start. If what you say is true, the facts should be impressive by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Could I be unblocked from your AIM list? When I talked to you at FC2011 you made it sound like you would once you were back home but so far I've not seen it, and even Ayukawataur hasn't relayed any messages saying if you would or not.

--Mozdoc

== Just wanted another's opinion. ==

Hi, I am very new to this (is it a wiki?) wiki, and I was wondering if you could check out my user page and tell me if I fit into the Fandom. I am still learning new things every day, and I am young, but I believe I am a Furry. Since nobody's shoved a pen and paper in my hand and said "You're a Furry, please add your name to the list", I was wanting an opinion from someone more knowledgable on the subject than I, and I thought asking you would be a good idea. Plus, I noticed on your page that you developed an interest in this whole system too at a young age. If you will, please leave a reply on my talk page. I am user:Perservere. Thank you.
:Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals. It seems like you fit the definition. How you express that interest is up to you! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I was actually nervous about being scrutinized about my age, my reasons, and such, but you didn't say a word about it. I am ecstatic that (ridiculous though it may sound) I am "classified" so to speak. Going off topic, (just wanted to say this) I find it hilarious that most people who make fun of Furries, 1. Often quote Encyclopedia Dramatica, 2. Most likely are/were fans of the Warner Bros (you know Tom and Jerry among others), and 3. Repeat the same insults over and over. Going back, I can't thank you enough for being so accepting of me. I have actually dealt with people who attacked me for my interests on the subject, but I'm just glad that I have finally gotten clarity on the question of "Am I? or am I not?". Thanks so much, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 17:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Spam filter exception ==

I'm linking to my survey's results page, and want "<tt><nowiki>Results</nowiki></tt>" to "<tt><nowiki>[http://bit.ly/UltFurSur2011stats Results]</nowiki></tt>" on [[UFS2011]] —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 15:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:That link doesn't seem to work, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I meant /UFS2011stats —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 01:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting how you put a message first! ==

I believe (even if in a small way) that the article is relevant. Examples being any sort of reptilian anthropomorph, as on your page "Scalies", and any possible others (not much of an argument, I know, but I'm determined). I have revised that article with more accurate information, examples, and links. I will also add a "Species List", of what furry creatures are considered cold-blooded. Keep in mind, I'm not looking to fight anyone, overeaction is all too common. I see your point of view, but we can't trade thoughts. Anyways, good luck, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you see some relevance in the article now, sir? I certainly do. [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Two images ==

A little bit ago I was trying to handle a situation where a new user had uploaded an image with a "generic" filename, in this case Example.jpg, for which there was an existing file by the same name, and he apparently had simply replaced the existing image with the new one. What I would like to have done, but couldn't figure out how, was to "fork" both the new and old versions, i.e. to rename the image per the new version, then revert the redirect to point to the old one (which I was also going to rename to something more meaningful than Example.jpg). As far as I was able to determine, the only way to do this was to save one of the versions of the image and re-create it as a new image. Do you know of a better way to do this? Incidentally, it turned out the old version was being referenced by [[User:Ratty913|only one user page]], and the overwritten version of the image was uploaded more recently and by a different user, and therefore was probably not the one intended by the userpage author, so it is now effectively a deleted image, though in actuality it still lives on in the version history of the [[:File:MorinWolf.jpg|renamed image]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I do not believe there is a way to do image forking in MediaWiki. The best solution is probably to upload the new image to a separate page, revert the old image, delete the revision of the new image that is on the old image page and then move that to a better filename. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please remove my name and email address from this article ==

Hi,

I would really appreciate it if you could remove my name and email address from this question I asked several years ago?

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Forum:Furry_comics

It comes up when people search my name in search engines so i'd really appreciate it if those bits could be removed?

Thank you

P {{unsignedIP|78.147.58.35}}

:I've redacted the e-mail address from that article. Since you posted this request as an anonymous IP user, we can't tell what your name is and there are several mentioned in the article. You could just change the article yourself. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

- Fab, thanks, have done.

::Sorry for the reversion, I didn't see this discussion, and didn't know there was a legitimate request to remove that information (or that it was even the original user doing it). -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 03:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Article Frequency? ==

Hey GreenReaper :)

I'm curious how often the Featured Articles are updated? It seems like the current one on the [[Nephilim]] has been there for quite some time.

[[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:The front page is setup to rotate them weekly, and a process for updating them is at [[WikiFur:Featured articles]]/[[WikiFur:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidates]]. However, no one editor has taken a lead in doing so, and so they remain un-updated (this has been a problem since 2007, as I've been increasingly involved with work and [[WikiFur News]]/[[Flayrah]]). A replacement involving dynamic selection of articles from a collection is on my list for after our [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/87354.html server move], but if you're interested in helping out right now, it looks like [[Oklacon]] has support. There's no rule to say you can't promote one you nominated! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== King of the Internet ==

Furries make the internet go; Green Reaper makes the furrydom go; ergo, Green Reaper makes the internet go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:69.169.167.47|69.169.167.47]] ([[User talk:69.169.167.47|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.169.167.47|contribs]]) .

:No [[meatball:GodKing|gods or kings]]; only [[Creatures:Norn|norn]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

== Username Change ==

GreenReaper, is it possible for you to rename my username to BlueOtter, merging my user paging into the existing [[BlueOtter]] article? Thanks in advance! [[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 22:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::You are ridiculously fast... and awesome. Thank you. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 22:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:There seems to be some confusion, however. User pages are intended for information about the user ''on WikiFur''. They are not intended to separate people from their characters. The main-space page is a third-person account intended to be edited by all, while the user page is typically written by the editor in first person, who may give background to their editing activities or provide details of a non-encyclopedic nature (e.g. contact info). Compare [[User:GreenReaper|my user page]] and [[GreenReaper]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I believe I understand, but how do you suggest then separating real-life people who are referred to by their character names as a pseudonym (who only give such a name), but also have distinct eponymous characters? For instance, my year of birth or occupation don't have any baring on these attributes for my characters, and applying for instance, the Programming category to my real-person make sense, but not BlueOtter, the character and online persona. Would you suggest a disambiguation page in this case for person vs. character? I just want to make sure I do things right and consistent with the patterns you and others have established. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 14:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Because most furs use their character names to represent themselves, articles under their names are assumed to be primarily about the person ("People" is invariably the first category). Their character is either treated as if it were "part of the person" and integrated throughout ("RandomFurry is a grey wolf and software developer who lives in Newark") or described in a separate "Character" section of the same article, depending on the attitude that the subject has to their primary character. In your case, a section might be most appropriate - you can restate any differing information such as age or personal characteristics in that area. The categories are combined at the end, unless the character has a different name. (In that case - often used by fursuiters - we normally make a separate section for the characters, then make the character name a redirect to that section and put the character-specific categories on the redirect page so that the character name shows up in those categories - e.g. YellowOtter == <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[RandomFurry#Character]][[Category:Otter characters]]</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Another approach to take if your life outside fandom is not a major factor in your activities is to treat the character as the primary topic and have a separate section labelled something like "Real life". The order of categories would remain the same, however. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== People who don't get it ==

Just had a look at recent edits and wow... [[User:Meepsheep|'''Meepsheep''']] appears to be racking up an impressive number of block evasions (assuming Meepsheep is the original account). Talk about failing to get the message. Would it be effective to block all logins from that IP? Or would that be against Wikifur's policies/ethos? Just wondering, because one could spend a lot of time just keeping track of this one clown. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:I did, however many proxy addresses were used in an attempt to circumvent it. I have filed an abuse report with Comcast. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Too bad Comcast doesn't care about your insignificant wiki drama. --[[User:HiggoLippo|HiggoLippo]] 06:11, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Impending Edit War ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fritter

The user [[User:Skittle|'''Skittle''']] has set out to edit the Fritter wikifur page in an effort to remove all information on Fritter's accused from, this information is widely publicly in countless media outless. Skittle's announced his full intention to edit the article to his needs and has no interest in discussion of the issue. Skittle claims that Fritter has requested the page be removed but has no evidence of this. With this intention for an edit war, reverting the article seems futile and I would like an administrator to step in and clarify the rules in this case of 'Publicly available private information' as it seems it would be the most expedient solution. [[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] 00:50, 9 April 2011 (CEST)

== For the record. ==

I removed the link to zidonuke.net (Which is hosted on Zidonuke's home connection) because I felt that given the history of the owner of that domain, that linking to it has an increased potential unduely expose unsuspecting Wikifur users to hazards such as malware etc. I see you re-added that link and hope you reconsider doing so. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Requesting removal ==

Hi, I was wondering if I could have the page about me (entitled Zest Wolf) deleted. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:131.191.24.124|131.191.24.124]] ([[User talk:131.191.24.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/131.191.24.124|contribs]]) .
:Hi! We need to confirm all removal requests actually come from the people concerned; I'll attempt to contact you via your MSN account or failing that, your dA account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Vandal Ban Appeal ==

Please ban [[User:Loxx]] and delete the pages they made, as they are mindless vandalism. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:40, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
:I already did. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sae that. You're rather fast. Thank you! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

== Problem with deletion ==

Hi, GreenReaper

I'm having a problem deleting the items on the '''F''' section of (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_deletion). Any suggestions, please? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:Could you be more specific? The one which is there now should be there because [[Template:Inappropriate]] is on it. There was [[Template talk:Furry potential|another]] which had the category tag in the text; I changed it in a link to the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== I have my reasons ==

There are limits to what should and shouldn't be publicly displayed. I'm sure you understand that. By allowing my birth date, my state and city of residence, my full name, and links to profiles that are otherwise irrelevant to cited information, puts my real life in jeopardy. All it takes is one person to say "I'm gonna be the internet white knight" and start doing background checks, or attempt identity theft, to make my already turbulent life to take that much more of a turn for the worst. If it makes it any better, I'll personally write the entry as it should be, and as it should be less threatening to my wellbeing. If anything were to happen to me, I would be certain to connect this website directly with the leaking of my personal information. Now, that isn't a threat but merely what would happen if my real life personal information remains so publicly displaced as it was here.
Possibly if you could just delete the entry all together, I will leave in peace and never return lest I need to defend myself again, as I'm sure you understand.- {{unsigned|Rainbowcandy}}

== Since you deleted the advertisement page... ==

Since you deleted the spam page about car insurance, could you also block [[User:Carinsurancequotes]]? Their name implies they're just here to spam the site with that, so... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:54, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ginger Vixen ==
Hi, Ginger Vixen here.

I must request, please, due to family issues, that you delete my WikiFur page. Many thanks. [[User:Gingervixen|Ging]] 12:34, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Flags ==

Hi there !

I've just been updating the [[ConFuzzled 2011]] entry, adding in the attendee list by country. Although I've entered what I believe are the correct ISO codes, several countries all seem to have the same flag symbol - specifically Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Hungary and Lithuania..... am I using the right ISO code set, or is there a bug ? Cheers. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:15, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:A [[:File:Flags.png|flag sprite]] contains the images specified in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. If the codes concerned are not in that list, they will not work. Apparently it needs to be updated. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:10, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. Equivamp 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re:Features ==

I know, I was just teasin' ya. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 09:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account Control ==

Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:57, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== [[Furry Feet & Naylon]] ==

That is all. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:45, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Holy Crap ==

New Featured article! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Article History ==

Is there any way you could delete the history of [[Equivamp]] without deleting the article itself? And this includes edit summaries. Personal information that has since been removed from the article doesn't need to be discovered, but I have reason to believe someone will attempt to "drop dox" on me very, very, soon, and that's something I could do without. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Can you give the date of the last revision that you are concerned with? Your recent edits do not appear to involve such information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::The first few edits contain my legal name. That's what I'm concerned about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:41, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I think we [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Equivamp&dir=prev&limit=100&action=history should be good now]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks a ton. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:49, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Blocking Meepsheep ==

Wait, so I'm not welcome here? Meepsheep wasn't making negative edits, as far as I saw. We're welcome there, as long as we're good; aren't we supposed to assume good faith? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:22, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:This is hilarious on so many levels. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:38, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:Meepsheep has been responsible for significant disruption of this wiki in the past few months, as he has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meepsheep/Archive|at Wikipedia]] and [[Wikia:c:sonic:Category:Sockpuppets of MeepSheep|several]] [[Wikiquote:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Meepsheep|other]] [http://heroeswiki.com/User_talk:Meepsheep wikis]. Massive, continued proxy abuse, front page and template vandalism, you name it. I have reported this abuse to his ISP on more than one occasion. He is not welcome here, period. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:To answer your more general question: contributors to WikiFur are expected to remain neutral, and actions which call this neutrality into question are problematic. We ''cannot'' assume you are editing an article about a person in good faith if you are also making fun of them over at ED (or elsewhere). I have blocked at least one editor for this precise activity in the past. You really need to make a choice – do you want to be known as a person who fairly and dispassionately reports on the fandom and those within in, or one who publicly documents the weaknesses and failings of fellow fans for your own amusement? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Is WikiFur Becoming the New Encyclopedia Dramatica? ==
It is hilarious that you now consider disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously you've done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. The last time I pointed out you had a troll who had disrupted several other sites running amok on WikiFur, you lectured me about not calling a troll a troll and how we've gotta assume good faith and we need to include insane conspiracy theories in the name of NPOV even though it doesn't have anything to do with Furry fandom, '''but didn't do a single thing about the troll'''. Some folks might wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad], but I don't.
I mean, seriously, you keep driving away the editors who want to see WikiFur be the Furry Encyclopedia you [[[User:GreenReaper/WikiFur:_By_and_for_the_furry_community|allegedly]] want it to be, and then wonder why you get criticized when you pull a bait-and-switch? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:13, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:GreenReaper

2011-06-20T01:02:27Z

Xydexx:

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== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, it's no problem. I've been incredibly busy at work this whole month myself. Whenever you can give your time, it is appreciated - but don't kill yourself over not being able to. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This is an apology to you, sorry for my rashness. Having a bit of hell but that's no excuse. Won’t happen again I hope, but always feel free to put me in my place. --[[User:Atrumnex101|Atrumnex101]] 17:06, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please delete my article. ==

Hey there. I was wondering if you could delete the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fidge for me. I've lost interest in keeping up with wikipedia and stuff and I would like my own page removed. Thanks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fidge|Fidge]] ([[User talk:Fidge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fidge|contribs]]) .
:It's not your page, it's our page about you - even if you started it. However, we do have an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion policy]], which I have applied to that page. Please contact myself or another administrator if you would like to revert this exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism targeted at Anthrochat-related articles ==

Seems that some members from Anthrochat have taken to vandalising particular articles. I've reverted [[Anthrochat]] and [[Furrycoffeeshop]] a few times already today. Is it possible to get those pages protected somehow? Thanks. :) [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 19:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:We do not normally protect pages unless vandalism becomes unmanageable, or a "time-out" is needed between editors. However, the two anonymous users concerned have been blocked for inserting inaccurate information before, and they have now been blocked for a longer period for the same reason. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Allright, seems fair, thanks. I'm just not sure it will help much, because I know the people behind those IPs. They'll probably just come back in 2 weeks and do it again... :/ [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 20:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted Images ==

I can understand the copyright violation, but 'there is agreement that the work was used'? Unless I am understanding you wrong, there was no agreement - you stated that yourself. If I were to upload these again under a different usage, would they be removed again?

[[User:Rinduri|Rinduri]] 00:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:Nobody disagrees that Tuqiri used Vailwolf's work in the art show - just whether or not it was "fair use" to do so. Therefore, there is little justification for using copyrighted works to show this, especially against the wishes of ''both'' copyright holders.
:As I understand it, you were already advised by Vailwolf that she did not wish you to redistribute her work. I think you should strongly reconsider your reasons and legal grounds for doing so regardless. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Change picture? ;-) ==

A pal of mine, Aatheus, showed me a picture of me and a fellow CATS cosplayer that is on the various Wikis in the Furry sections. Fantastic to be seen, but oh gosh, can we somehow find a more.. er... flattering image? I can't say that makeup was one of my best now is the wig any good. Can you please contact me so that I can provide a better picture that is by far more suitable? Please note me here on Wikifur or email me.

This is the one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR_FC2007_furry_cats_costumers.jpg

Best purrs,

[[User:Twospotz|Twospotz]] (Among CATS folks known as Ahdeya - that blackclad CATS cat lady....)

:''Replied via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Blanking ==
Hi there! Please don't remove all content from pages, as you did with [[Inuki]]. Such changes will be reverted, especially when no reason is given. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's what she gets for degrading me
:"Like most Thieves, she claims to ask before applying her edits, however this is in fact a lie. Even if it were true she posts her edited pictures in sites that do now allow such works and considers them traced or stolen, hence her label in the fandom as an Art Thief"

:She added that to my page without my permission -Twilightwolf4:

::I'm not sure you have the right person. Inuki is from Germany; the edits in question came from an IP address that traces to New York. Regardless, such edits just waste ''our'' time, not the subject's. Please refrain from them in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent editing of a userpage?

:[[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] can do lots of things - though page protection is usually a last resort. If there's clearly an ongoing problem, other will step in. Note that you have the ability to watch pages, and to be emailed when an edit is made to them.
:Bear in mind that like most public wikis, WikiFur is open to all editors. While user pages will generally be left to the user concerned, if the information on them appears particularly one-sided, others may be inclined to edit them. Content that appears to be a description of a subject may also be moved to the main namespace and edited further, as user pages are not intended to replace or duplicate articles (compare [[GreenReaper]] and [[User:GreenReaper]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd rather not have my page altered
Especially not with lies made by anti-furs

:Well, and here's where it gets tricky - when it comes to a wiki, it's ''not'' "your page". It's "our page about you". The User: page is intended to provide information relating to your contributions to WikiFur - not as a venue for presenting your own opinion of yourself without fear of rebuttal; nor for criticizing others, especially when it comes to off-wiki matters. That stuff belongs on your homepage, and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|we're not a hosting site]]. If you want a page which only you can edit, you should probably look elsewhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is deleting possible?
Although 'they' would make a new page about me anyway, ah well, life goes on, popularity has ups and downs, plus, not a lot of people know about my page...

there's no need to reply back to this

== Wiki tagline ==

Just a quick note, because I've noticed it before but not gotten around to asking you about it... Is it possible to get the tagline to WikiLurv changed on the int'l portal for grammar reasons? "Den lurviga encyklopedin", would probably be the best translation of WikiFur's "the furry encyclopedia". Either that or "Den svenska furryencyklopedin" ("The swedish furry encyclopedia" - the former implies that the wiki itself is covered in fur, the latter that it's a furry-related encyclopedia; I'm not sure which WikiFur's tagline is supposed to imply); I'm not married to either translation, just want the grammar straightened out. At your convenience, of course. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 13:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I've tweaked this now; you may have to force a refresh to see it. I guess the meaning I intended is really more the latter, but I used the former because it's shorter and doesn't specify the language, which would obliviate the point of a universal tagline (assuming that "Den furryencyklopedin" is also grammatically incorrect). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers! --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I'm glad i was able to help confirming the truth of the article on The Deadly Wolves. Though now that the edi war been taken care of. I'm going to need a bit of help with the article of his. Since i do have concern that this will most become an edit war whenever the confirmination of the truth comes out. (Hoping it doesn't get to that point.) --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 20:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just let us know what you have to work with on the article's attached discussion page, and we can all pitch in. It's hardly the first time we've had to document contentious subjects. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well anyway i've finished with citing all of my refs about the subject. I've mentioned this on the subject talk page. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming Subject talk page] Basically it's all in a notepad. Though is it alright to post all of what i found so it be easier to find what can be used for this article. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 21:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that'd be OK - other editors can make use of it in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright but where since there's a lot of stuff. Should i post it all on my talk page then?--[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::You should post it on the talk pages for the relevant articles, because that's where other editors will look. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright then and i'm done with the first part. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming#References_of_Ban_Evasions References of ban evasions] I will be posting the other part in the Deadly Wolves Article Section since the next part is mostly related to that. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 04:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change? ==

I don't have an LJ, so I figured this would be the place to ask for it. If it's not an inconvenience, going from "Twilight-wolf" to just "Twilight" would help lots. I've checked around the site, there doesn't seem to be a user with that name, if it's available, I'll take it. If not, I'll come up with something else.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Twilight-wolf|Twilight-wolf]] ([[User talk:Twilight-wolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twilight-wolf|contribs]]) .

:Unfortunately the name Twilight was registered earlier this year. I would be glad to rename your account to something else, though. You already have both Twilight-Wolf and Twilight-wolf (different capitalizations) - it would be good if you logged into the former so that I can merge them before renaming. (The account was created on Wikia.com; if you have forgotten the password, you'll need to go there to reset it first.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Furry Fashion ==

Wondering if This is appropriate for this site
I run furry fashion the largest furry clothing and accessory store in second life, we are a furry community 3 sims wide, with over 4500 members, 70 furs employed, 4000 items for sale, a welcome centre to help new furs get started and explain what furs are, homes, a mall, events and other other furry things. I have been asked before if we have a page here but I wasn't sure if we was allowed to have one. I have noticed AX , another SL furry company does but wanted to be sure first before making one.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
[[User:Amethysia|Amethysia]] (Amethyst Crystal in second life)
:Hi Amethysia! You're welcome to start an article about your group (presumably at [[Furry Fashion]]). However, we do require that all articles be [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Explanation of the neutral point of view|neutral]] - so try to stick to the facts. Basically, if it doesn't ''sound'' like it was written by you, that's probably a good start. If what you say is true, the facts should be impressive by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Could I be unblocked from your AIM list? When I talked to you at FC2011 you made it sound like you would once you were back home but so far I've not seen it, and even Ayukawataur hasn't relayed any messages saying if you would or not.

--Mozdoc

== Just wanted another's opinion. ==

Hi, I am very new to this (is it a wiki?) wiki, and I was wondering if you could check out my user page and tell me if I fit into the Fandom. I am still learning new things every day, and I am young, but I believe I am a Furry. Since nobody's shoved a pen and paper in my hand and said "You're a Furry, please add your name to the list", I was wanting an opinion from someone more knowledgable on the subject than I, and I thought asking you would be a good idea. Plus, I noticed on your page that you developed an interest in this whole system too at a young age. If you will, please leave a reply on my talk page. I am user:Perservere. Thank you.
:Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals. It seems like you fit the definition. How you express that interest is up to you! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I was actually nervous about being scrutinized about my age, my reasons, and such, but you didn't say a word about it. I am ecstatic that (ridiculous though it may sound) I am "classified" so to speak. Going off topic, (just wanted to say this) I find it hilarious that most people who make fun of Furries, 1. Often quote Encyclopedia Dramatica, 2. Most likely are/were fans of the Warner Bros (you know Tom and Jerry among others), and 3. Repeat the same insults over and over. Going back, I can't thank you enough for being so accepting of me. I have actually dealt with people who attacked me for my interests on the subject, but I'm just glad that I have finally gotten clarity on the question of "Am I? or am I not?". Thanks so much, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 17:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Spam filter exception ==

I'm linking to my survey's results page, and want "<tt><nowiki>Results</nowiki></tt>" to "<tt><nowiki>[http://bit.ly/UltFurSur2011stats Results]</nowiki></tt>" on [[UFS2011]] —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 15:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:That link doesn't seem to work, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I meant /UFS2011stats —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 01:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting how you put a message first! ==

I believe (even if in a small way) that the article is relevant. Examples being any sort of reptilian anthropomorph, as on your page "Scalies", and any possible others (not much of an argument, I know, but I'm determined). I have revised that article with more accurate information, examples, and links. I will also add a "Species List", of what furry creatures are considered cold-blooded. Keep in mind, I'm not looking to fight anyone, overeaction is all too common. I see your point of view, but we can't trade thoughts. Anyways, good luck, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you see some relevance in the article now, sir? I certainly do. [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Two images ==

A little bit ago I was trying to handle a situation where a new user had uploaded an image with a "generic" filename, in this case Example.jpg, for which there was an existing file by the same name, and he apparently had simply replaced the existing image with the new one. What I would like to have done, but couldn't figure out how, was to "fork" both the new and old versions, i.e. to rename the image per the new version, then revert the redirect to point to the old one (which I was also going to rename to something more meaningful than Example.jpg). As far as I was able to determine, the only way to do this was to save one of the versions of the image and re-create it as a new image. Do you know of a better way to do this? Incidentally, it turned out the old version was being referenced by [[User:Ratty913|only one user page]], and the overwritten version of the image was uploaded more recently and by a different user, and therefore was probably not the one intended by the userpage author, so it is now effectively a deleted image, though in actuality it still lives on in the version history of the [[:File:MorinWolf.jpg|renamed image]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I do not believe there is a way to do image forking in MediaWiki. The best solution is probably to upload the new image to a separate page, revert the old image, delete the revision of the new image that is on the old image page and then move that to a better filename. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please remove my name and email address from this article ==

Hi,

I would really appreciate it if you could remove my name and email address from this question I asked several years ago?

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Forum:Furry_comics

It comes up when people search my name in search engines so i'd really appreciate it if those bits could be removed?

Thank you

P {{unsignedIP|78.147.58.35}}

:I've redacted the e-mail address from that article. Since you posted this request as an anonymous IP user, we can't tell what your name is and there are several mentioned in the article. You could just change the article yourself. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

- Fab, thanks, have done.

::Sorry for the reversion, I didn't see this discussion, and didn't know there was a legitimate request to remove that information (or that it was even the original user doing it). -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 03:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Article Frequency? ==

Hey GreenReaper :)

I'm curious how often the Featured Articles are updated? It seems like the current one on the [[Nephilim]] has been there for quite some time.

[[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:The front page is setup to rotate them weekly, and a process for updating them is at [[WikiFur:Featured articles]]/[[WikiFur:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidates]]. However, no one editor has taken a lead in doing so, and so they remain un-updated (this has been a problem since 2007, as I've been increasingly involved with work and [[WikiFur News]]/[[Flayrah]]). A replacement involving dynamic selection of articles from a collection is on my list for after our [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/87354.html server move], but if you're interested in helping out right now, it looks like [[Oklacon]] has support. There's no rule to say you can't promote one you nominated! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== King of the Internet ==

Furries make the internet go; Green Reaper makes the furrydom go; ergo, Green Reaper makes the internet go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:69.169.167.47|69.169.167.47]] ([[User talk:69.169.167.47|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.169.167.47|contribs]]) .

:No [[meatball:GodKing|gods or kings]]; only [[Creatures:Norn|norn]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

== Username Change ==

GreenReaper, is it possible for you to rename my username to BlueOtter, merging my user paging into the existing [[BlueOtter]] article? Thanks in advance! [[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 22:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::You are ridiculously fast... and awesome. Thank you. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 22:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:There seems to be some confusion, however. User pages are intended for information about the user ''on WikiFur''. They are not intended to separate people from their characters. The main-space page is a third-person account intended to be edited by all, while the user page is typically written by the editor in first person, who may give background to their editing activities or provide details of a non-encyclopedic nature (e.g. contact info). Compare [[User:GreenReaper|my user page]] and [[GreenReaper]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I believe I understand, but how do you suggest then separating real-life people who are referred to by their character names as a pseudonym (who only give such a name), but also have distinct eponymous characters? For instance, my year of birth or occupation don't have any baring on these attributes for my characters, and applying for instance, the Programming category to my real-person make sense, but not BlueOtter, the character and online persona. Would you suggest a disambiguation page in this case for person vs. character? I just want to make sure I do things right and consistent with the patterns you and others have established. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 14:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Because most furs use their character names to represent themselves, articles under their names are assumed to be primarily about the person ("People" is invariably the first category). Their character is either treated as if it were "part of the person" and integrated throughout ("RandomFurry is a grey wolf and software developer who lives in Newark") or described in a separate "Character" section of the same article, depending on the attitude that the subject has to their primary character. In your case, a section might be most appropriate - you can restate any differing information such as age or personal characteristics in that area. The categories are combined at the end, unless the character has a different name. (In that case - often used by fursuiters - we normally make a separate section for the characters, then make the character name a redirect to that section and put the character-specific categories on the redirect page so that the character name shows up in those categories - e.g. YellowOtter == <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[RandomFurry#Character]][[Category:Otter characters]]</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Another approach to take if your life outside fandom is not a major factor in your activities is to treat the character as the primary topic and have a separate section labelled something like "Real life". The order of categories would remain the same, however. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== People who don't get it ==

Just had a look at recent edits and wow... [[User:Meepsheep|'''Meepsheep''']] appears to be racking up an impressive number of block evasions (assuming Meepsheep is the original account). Talk about failing to get the message. Would it be effective to block all logins from that IP? Or would that be against Wikifur's policies/ethos? Just wondering, because one could spend a lot of time just keeping track of this one clown. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:I did, however many proxy addresses were used in an attempt to circumvent it. I have filed an abuse report with Comcast. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Too bad Comcast doesn't care about your insignificant wiki drama. --[[User:HiggoLippo|HiggoLippo]] 06:11, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Impending Edit War ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fritter

The user [[User:Skittle|'''Skittle''']] has set out to edit the Fritter wikifur page in an effort to remove all information on Fritter's accused from, this information is widely publicly in countless media outless. Skittle's announced his full intention to edit the article to his needs and has no interest in discussion of the issue. Skittle claims that Fritter has requested the page be removed but has no evidence of this. With this intention for an edit war, reverting the article seems futile and I would like an administrator to step in and clarify the rules in this case of 'Publicly available private information' as it seems it would be the most expedient solution. [[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] 00:50, 9 April 2011 (CEST)

== For the record. ==

I removed the link to zidonuke.net (Which is hosted on Zidonuke's home connection) because I felt that given the history of the owner of that domain, that linking to it has an increased potential unduely expose unsuspecting Wikifur users to hazards such as malware etc. I see you re-added that link and hope you reconsider doing so. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Requesting removal ==

Hi, I was wondering if I could have the page about me (entitled Zest Wolf) deleted. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:131.191.24.124|131.191.24.124]] ([[User talk:131.191.24.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/131.191.24.124|contribs]]) .
:Hi! We need to confirm all removal requests actually come from the people concerned; I'll attempt to contact you via your MSN account or failing that, your dA account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Vandal Ban Appeal ==

Please ban [[User:Loxx]] and delete the pages they made, as they are mindless vandalism. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:40, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
:I already did. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sae that. You're rather fast. Thank you! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

== Problem with deletion ==

Hi, GreenReaper

I'm having a problem deleting the items on the '''F''' section of (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_deletion). Any suggestions, please? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:Could you be more specific? The one which is there now should be there because [[Template:Inappropriate]] is on it. There was [[Template talk:Furry potential|another]] which had the category tag in the text; I changed it in a link to the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== I have my reasons ==

There are limits to what should and shouldn't be publicly displayed. I'm sure you understand that. By allowing my birth date, my state and city of residence, my full name, and links to profiles that are otherwise irrelevant to cited information, puts my real life in jeopardy. All it takes is one person to say "I'm gonna be the internet white knight" and start doing background checks, or attempt identity theft, to make my already turbulent life to take that much more of a turn for the worst. If it makes it any better, I'll personally write the entry as it should be, and as it should be less threatening to my wellbeing. If anything were to happen to me, I would be certain to connect this website directly with the leaking of my personal information. Now, that isn't a threat but merely what would happen if my real life personal information remains so publicly displaced as it was here.
Possibly if you could just delete the entry all together, I will leave in peace and never return lest I need to defend myself again, as I'm sure you understand.- {{unsigned|Rainbowcandy}}

== Since you deleted the advertisement page... ==

Since you deleted the spam page about car insurance, could you also block [[User:Carinsurancequotes]]? Their name implies they're just here to spam the site with that, so... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:54, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ginger Vixen ==
Hi, Ginger Vixen here.

I must request, please, due to family issues, that you delete my WikiFur page. Many thanks. [[User:Gingervixen|Ging]] 12:34, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Flags ==

Hi there !

I've just been updating the [[ConFuzzled 2011]] entry, adding in the attendee list by country. Although I've entered what I believe are the correct ISO codes, several countries all seem to have the same flag symbol - specifically Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Hungary and Lithuania..... am I using the right ISO code set, or is there a bug ? Cheers. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:15, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:A [[:File:Flags.png|flag sprite]] contains the images specified in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. If the codes concerned are not in that list, they will not work. Apparently it needs to be updated. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:10, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. Equivamp 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re:Features ==

I know, I was just teasin' ya. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 09:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account Control ==

Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:57, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== [[Furry Feet & Naylon]] ==

That is all. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:45, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Holy Crap ==

New Featured article! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Article History ==

Is there any way you could delete the history of [[Equivamp]] without deleting the article itself? And this includes edit summaries. Personal information that has since been removed from the article doesn't need to be discovered, but I have reason to believe someone will attempt to "drop dox" on me very, very, soon, and that's something I could do without. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Can you give the date of the last revision that you are concerned with? Your recent edits do not appear to involve such information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::The first few edits contain my legal name. That's what I'm concerned about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:41, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I think we [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Equivamp&dir=prev&limit=100&action=history should be good now]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks a ton. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:49, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Blocking Meepsheep ==

Wait, so I'm not welcome here? Meepsheep wasn't making negative edits, as far as I saw. We're welcome there, as long as we're good; aren't we supposed to assume good faith? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:22, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:This is hilarious on so many levels. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:38, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:Meepsheep has been responsible for significant disruption of this wiki in the past few months, as he has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meepsheep/Archive|at Wikipedia]] and [[Wikia:c:sonic:Category:Sockpuppets of MeepSheep|several]] [[Wikiquote:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Meepsheep|other]] [http://heroeswiki.com/User_talk:Meepsheep wikis]. Massive, continued proxy abuse, front page and template vandalism, you name it. I have reported this abuse to his ISP on more than one occasion. He is not welcome here, period. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:To answer your more general question: contributors to WikiFur are expected to remain neutral, and actions which call this neutrality into question are problematic. We ''cannot'' assume you are editing an article about a person in good faith if you are also making fun of them over at ED (or elsewhere). I have blocked at least one editor for this precise activity in the past. You really need to make a choice – do you want to be known as a person who fairly and dispassionately reports on the fandom and those within in, or one who publicly documents the weaknesses and failings of fellow fans for your own amusement? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Is WikiFur Becoming the New Encyclopedia Dramatica? ==
It is hilarious that you now consider disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously you've done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. The last time I pointed out you had a troll who had disrupted several other sites running amok on WikiFur, you lectured me about not calling a troll a troll and how we've gotta assume good faith and we need to include insane conspiracy theories in the name of NPOV even though it doesn't have anything to do with Furry fandom, '''but didn't do a single thing about the troll'''. Some folks might wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad], but I don't. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:02, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:GreenReaper

2011-06-20T00:50:57Z

Xydexx: I've got something to say to you and I'm saying it to you. This has been a chronic problem with WikiFur for a long time now.

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, it's no problem. I've been incredibly busy at work this whole month myself. Whenever you can give your time, it is appreciated - but don't kill yourself over not being able to. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This is an apology to you, sorry for my rashness. Having a bit of hell but that's no excuse. Won’t happen again I hope, but always feel free to put me in my place. --[[User:Atrumnex101|Atrumnex101]] 17:06, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please delete my article. ==

Hey there. I was wondering if you could delete the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fidge for me. I've lost interest in keeping up with wikipedia and stuff and I would like my own page removed. Thanks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fidge|Fidge]] ([[User talk:Fidge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fidge|contribs]]) .
:It's not your page, it's our page about you - even if you started it. However, we do have an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion policy]], which I have applied to that page. Please contact myself or another administrator if you would like to revert this exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism targeted at Anthrochat-related articles ==

Seems that some members from Anthrochat have taken to vandalising particular articles. I've reverted [[Anthrochat]] and [[Furrycoffeeshop]] a few times already today. Is it possible to get those pages protected somehow? Thanks. :) [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 19:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:We do not normally protect pages unless vandalism becomes unmanageable, or a "time-out" is needed between editors. However, the two anonymous users concerned have been blocked for inserting inaccurate information before, and they have now been blocked for a longer period for the same reason. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Allright, seems fair, thanks. I'm just not sure it will help much, because I know the people behind those IPs. They'll probably just come back in 2 weeks and do it again... :/ [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 20:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted Images ==

I can understand the copyright violation, but 'there is agreement that the work was used'? Unless I am understanding you wrong, there was no agreement - you stated that yourself. If I were to upload these again under a different usage, would they be removed again?

[[User:Rinduri|Rinduri]] 00:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:Nobody disagrees that Tuqiri used Vailwolf's work in the art show - just whether or not it was "fair use" to do so. Therefore, there is little justification for using copyrighted works to show this, especially against the wishes of ''both'' copyright holders.
:As I understand it, you were already advised by Vailwolf that she did not wish you to redistribute her work. I think you should strongly reconsider your reasons and legal grounds for doing so regardless. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Change picture? ;-) ==

A pal of mine, Aatheus, showed me a picture of me and a fellow CATS cosplayer that is on the various Wikis in the Furry sections. Fantastic to be seen, but oh gosh, can we somehow find a more.. er... flattering image? I can't say that makeup was one of my best now is the wig any good. Can you please contact me so that I can provide a better picture that is by far more suitable? Please note me here on Wikifur or email me.

This is the one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR_FC2007_furry_cats_costumers.jpg

Best purrs,

[[User:Twospotz|Twospotz]] (Among CATS folks known as Ahdeya - that blackclad CATS cat lady....)

:''Replied via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Blanking ==
Hi there! Please don't remove all content from pages, as you did with [[Inuki]]. Such changes will be reverted, especially when no reason is given. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's what she gets for degrading me
:"Like most Thieves, she claims to ask before applying her edits, however this is in fact a lie. Even if it were true she posts her edited pictures in sites that do now allow such works and considers them traced or stolen, hence her label in the fandom as an Art Thief"

:She added that to my page without my permission -Twilightwolf4:

::I'm not sure you have the right person. Inuki is from Germany; the edits in question came from an IP address that traces to New York. Regardless, such edits just waste ''our'' time, not the subject's. Please refrain from them in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent editing of a userpage?

:[[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] can do lots of things - though page protection is usually a last resort. If there's clearly an ongoing problem, other will step in. Note that you have the ability to watch pages, and to be emailed when an edit is made to them.
:Bear in mind that like most public wikis, WikiFur is open to all editors. While user pages will generally be left to the user concerned, if the information on them appears particularly one-sided, others may be inclined to edit them. Content that appears to be a description of a subject may also be moved to the main namespace and edited further, as user pages are not intended to replace or duplicate articles (compare [[GreenReaper]] and [[User:GreenReaper]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd rather not have my page altered
Especially not with lies made by anti-furs

:Well, and here's where it gets tricky - when it comes to a wiki, it's ''not'' "your page". It's "our page about you". The User: page is intended to provide information relating to your contributions to WikiFur - not as a venue for presenting your own opinion of yourself without fear of rebuttal; nor for criticizing others, especially when it comes to off-wiki matters. That stuff belongs on your homepage, and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|we're not a hosting site]]. If you want a page which only you can edit, you should probably look elsewhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is deleting possible?
Although 'they' would make a new page about me anyway, ah well, life goes on, popularity has ups and downs, plus, not a lot of people know about my page...

there's no need to reply back to this

== Wiki tagline ==

Just a quick note, because I've noticed it before but not gotten around to asking you about it... Is it possible to get the tagline to WikiLurv changed on the int'l portal for grammar reasons? "Den lurviga encyklopedin", would probably be the best translation of WikiFur's "the furry encyclopedia". Either that or "Den svenska furryencyklopedin" ("The swedish furry encyclopedia" - the former implies that the wiki itself is covered in fur, the latter that it's a furry-related encyclopedia; I'm not sure which WikiFur's tagline is supposed to imply); I'm not married to either translation, just want the grammar straightened out. At your convenience, of course. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 13:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I've tweaked this now; you may have to force a refresh to see it. I guess the meaning I intended is really more the latter, but I used the former because it's shorter and doesn't specify the language, which would obliviate the point of a universal tagline (assuming that "Den furryencyklopedin" is also grammatically incorrect). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers! --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I'm glad i was able to help confirming the truth of the article on The Deadly Wolves. Though now that the edi war been taken care of. I'm going to need a bit of help with the article of his. Since i do have concern that this will most become an edit war whenever the confirmination of the truth comes out. (Hoping it doesn't get to that point.) --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 20:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just let us know what you have to work with on the article's attached discussion page, and we can all pitch in. It's hardly the first time we've had to document contentious subjects. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well anyway i've finished with citing all of my refs about the subject. I've mentioned this on the subject talk page. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming Subject talk page] Basically it's all in a notepad. Though is it alright to post all of what i found so it be easier to find what can be used for this article. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 21:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that'd be OK - other editors can make use of it in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright but where since there's a lot of stuff. Should i post it all on my talk page then?--[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::You should post it on the talk pages for the relevant articles, because that's where other editors will look. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright then and i'm done with the first part. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming#References_of_Ban_Evasions References of ban evasions] I will be posting the other part in the Deadly Wolves Article Section since the next part is mostly related to that. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 04:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change? ==

I don't have an LJ, so I figured this would be the place to ask for it. If it's not an inconvenience, going from "Twilight-wolf" to just "Twilight" would help lots. I've checked around the site, there doesn't seem to be a user with that name, if it's available, I'll take it. If not, I'll come up with something else.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Twilight-wolf|Twilight-wolf]] ([[User talk:Twilight-wolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twilight-wolf|contribs]]) .

:Unfortunately the name Twilight was registered earlier this year. I would be glad to rename your account to something else, though. You already have both Twilight-Wolf and Twilight-wolf (different capitalizations) - it would be good if you logged into the former so that I can merge them before renaming. (The account was created on Wikia.com; if you have forgotten the password, you'll need to go there to reset it first.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Furry Fashion ==

Wondering if This is appropriate for this site
I run furry fashion the largest furry clothing and accessory store in second life, we are a furry community 3 sims wide, with over 4500 members, 70 furs employed, 4000 items for sale, a welcome centre to help new furs get started and explain what furs are, homes, a mall, events and other other furry things. I have been asked before if we have a page here but I wasn't sure if we was allowed to have one. I have noticed AX , another SL furry company does but wanted to be sure first before making one.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
[[User:Amethysia|Amethysia]] (Amethyst Crystal in second life)
:Hi Amethysia! You're welcome to start an article about your group (presumably at [[Furry Fashion]]). However, we do require that all articles be [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Explanation of the neutral point of view|neutral]] - so try to stick to the facts. Basically, if it doesn't ''sound'' like it was written by you, that's probably a good start. If what you say is true, the facts should be impressive by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Could I be unblocked from your AIM list? When I talked to you at FC2011 you made it sound like you would once you were back home but so far I've not seen it, and even Ayukawataur hasn't relayed any messages saying if you would or not.

--Mozdoc

== Just wanted another's opinion. ==

Hi, I am very new to this (is it a wiki?) wiki, and I was wondering if you could check out my user page and tell me if I fit into the Fandom. I am still learning new things every day, and I am young, but I believe I am a Furry. Since nobody's shoved a pen and paper in my hand and said "You're a Furry, please add your name to the list", I was wanting an opinion from someone more knowledgable on the subject than I, and I thought asking you would be a good idea. Plus, I noticed on your page that you developed an interest in this whole system too at a young age. If you will, please leave a reply on my talk page. I am user:Perservere. Thank you.
:Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals. It seems like you fit the definition. How you express that interest is up to you! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I was actually nervous about being scrutinized about my age, my reasons, and such, but you didn't say a word about it. I am ecstatic that (ridiculous though it may sound) I am "classified" so to speak. Going off topic, (just wanted to say this) I find it hilarious that most people who make fun of Furries, 1. Often quote Encyclopedia Dramatica, 2. Most likely are/were fans of the Warner Bros (you know Tom and Jerry among others), and 3. Repeat the same insults over and over. Going back, I can't thank you enough for being so accepting of me. I have actually dealt with people who attacked me for my interests on the subject, but I'm just glad that I have finally gotten clarity on the question of "Am I? or am I not?". Thanks so much, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 17:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Spam filter exception ==

I'm linking to my survey's results page, and want "<tt><nowiki>Results</nowiki></tt>" to "<tt><nowiki>[http://bit.ly/UltFurSur2011stats Results]</nowiki></tt>" on [[UFS2011]] —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 15:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:That link doesn't seem to work, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I meant /UFS2011stats —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 01:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting how you put a message first! ==

I believe (even if in a small way) that the article is relevant. Examples being any sort of reptilian anthropomorph, as on your page "Scalies", and any possible others (not much of an argument, I know, but I'm determined). I have revised that article with more accurate information, examples, and links. I will also add a "Species List", of what furry creatures are considered cold-blooded. Keep in mind, I'm not looking to fight anyone, overeaction is all too common. I see your point of view, but we can't trade thoughts. Anyways, good luck, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you see some relevance in the article now, sir? I certainly do. [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Two images ==

A little bit ago I was trying to handle a situation where a new user had uploaded an image with a "generic" filename, in this case Example.jpg, for which there was an existing file by the same name, and he apparently had simply replaced the existing image with the new one. What I would like to have done, but couldn't figure out how, was to "fork" both the new and old versions, i.e. to rename the image per the new version, then revert the redirect to point to the old one (which I was also going to rename to something more meaningful than Example.jpg). As far as I was able to determine, the only way to do this was to save one of the versions of the image and re-create it as a new image. Do you know of a better way to do this? Incidentally, it turned out the old version was being referenced by [[User:Ratty913|only one user page]], and the overwritten version of the image was uploaded more recently and by a different user, and therefore was probably not the one intended by the userpage author, so it is now effectively a deleted image, though in actuality it still lives on in the version history of the [[:File:MorinWolf.jpg|renamed image]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I do not believe there is a way to do image forking in MediaWiki. The best solution is probably to upload the new image to a separate page, revert the old image, delete the revision of the new image that is on the old image page and then move that to a better filename. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please remove my name and email address from this article ==

Hi,

I would really appreciate it if you could remove my name and email address from this question I asked several years ago?

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Forum:Furry_comics

It comes up when people search my name in search engines so i'd really appreciate it if those bits could be removed?

Thank you

P {{unsignedIP|78.147.58.35}}

:I've redacted the e-mail address from that article. Since you posted this request as an anonymous IP user, we can't tell what your name is and there are several mentioned in the article. You could just change the article yourself. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

- Fab, thanks, have done.

::Sorry for the reversion, I didn't see this discussion, and didn't know there was a legitimate request to remove that information (or that it was even the original user doing it). -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 03:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Article Frequency? ==

Hey GreenReaper :)

I'm curious how often the Featured Articles are updated? It seems like the current one on the [[Nephilim]] has been there for quite some time.

[[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:The front page is setup to rotate them weekly, and a process for updating them is at [[WikiFur:Featured articles]]/[[WikiFur:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidates]]. However, no one editor has taken a lead in doing so, and so they remain un-updated (this has been a problem since 2007, as I've been increasingly involved with work and [[WikiFur News]]/[[Flayrah]]). A replacement involving dynamic selection of articles from a collection is on my list for after our [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/87354.html server move], but if you're interested in helping out right now, it looks like [[Oklacon]] has support. There's no rule to say you can't promote one you nominated! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== King of the Internet ==

Furries make the internet go; Green Reaper makes the furrydom go; ergo, Green Reaper makes the internet go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:69.169.167.47|69.169.167.47]] ([[User talk:69.169.167.47|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.169.167.47|contribs]]) .

:No [[meatball:GodKing|gods or kings]]; only [[Creatures:Norn|norn]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

== Username Change ==

GreenReaper, is it possible for you to rename my username to BlueOtter, merging my user paging into the existing [[BlueOtter]] article? Thanks in advance! [[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 22:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::You are ridiculously fast... and awesome. Thank you. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 22:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:There seems to be some confusion, however. User pages are intended for information about the user ''on WikiFur''. They are not intended to separate people from their characters. The main-space page is a third-person account intended to be edited by all, while the user page is typically written by the editor in first person, who may give background to their editing activities or provide details of a non-encyclopedic nature (e.g. contact info). Compare [[User:GreenReaper|my user page]] and [[GreenReaper]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I believe I understand, but how do you suggest then separating real-life people who are referred to by their character names as a pseudonym (who only give such a name), but also have distinct eponymous characters? For instance, my year of birth or occupation don't have any baring on these attributes for my characters, and applying for instance, the Programming category to my real-person make sense, but not BlueOtter, the character and online persona. Would you suggest a disambiguation page in this case for person vs. character? I just want to make sure I do things right and consistent with the patterns you and others have established. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 14:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Because most furs use their character names to represent themselves, articles under their names are assumed to be primarily about the person ("People" is invariably the first category). Their character is either treated as if it were "part of the person" and integrated throughout ("RandomFurry is a grey wolf and software developer who lives in Newark") or described in a separate "Character" section of the same article, depending on the attitude that the subject has to their primary character. In your case, a section might be most appropriate - you can restate any differing information such as age or personal characteristics in that area. The categories are combined at the end, unless the character has a different name. (In that case - often used by fursuiters - we normally make a separate section for the characters, then make the character name a redirect to that section and put the character-specific categories on the redirect page so that the character name shows up in those categories - e.g. YellowOtter == <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[RandomFurry#Character]][[Category:Otter characters]]</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Another approach to take if your life outside fandom is not a major factor in your activities is to treat the character as the primary topic and have a separate section labelled something like "Real life". The order of categories would remain the same, however. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== People who don't get it ==

Just had a look at recent edits and wow... [[User:Meepsheep|'''Meepsheep''']] appears to be racking up an impressive number of block evasions (assuming Meepsheep is the original account). Talk about failing to get the message. Would it be effective to block all logins from that IP? Or would that be against Wikifur's policies/ethos? Just wondering, because one could spend a lot of time just keeping track of this one clown. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:I did, however many proxy addresses were used in an attempt to circumvent it. I have filed an abuse report with Comcast. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Too bad Comcast doesn't care about your insignificant wiki drama. --[[User:HiggoLippo|HiggoLippo]] 06:11, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Impending Edit War ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fritter

The user [[User:Skittle|'''Skittle''']] has set out to edit the Fritter wikifur page in an effort to remove all information on Fritter's accused from, this information is widely publicly in countless media outless. Skittle's announced his full intention to edit the article to his needs and has no interest in discussion of the issue. Skittle claims that Fritter has requested the page be removed but has no evidence of this. With this intention for an edit war, reverting the article seems futile and I would like an administrator to step in and clarify the rules in this case of 'Publicly available private information' as it seems it would be the most expedient solution. [[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] 00:50, 9 April 2011 (CEST)

== For the record. ==

I removed the link to zidonuke.net (Which is hosted on Zidonuke's home connection) because I felt that given the history of the owner of that domain, that linking to it has an increased potential unduely expose unsuspecting Wikifur users to hazards such as malware etc. I see you re-added that link and hope you reconsider doing so. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Requesting removal ==

Hi, I was wondering if I could have the page about me (entitled Zest Wolf) deleted. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:131.191.24.124|131.191.24.124]] ([[User talk:131.191.24.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/131.191.24.124|contribs]]) .
:Hi! We need to confirm all removal requests actually come from the people concerned; I'll attempt to contact you via your MSN account or failing that, your dA account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Vandal Ban Appeal ==

Please ban [[User:Loxx]] and delete the pages they made, as they are mindless vandalism. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:40, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
:I already did. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sae that. You're rather fast. Thank you! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

== Problem with deletion ==

Hi, GreenReaper

I'm having a problem deleting the items on the '''F''' section of (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_deletion). Any suggestions, please? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:Could you be more specific? The one which is there now should be there because [[Template:Inappropriate]] is on it. There was [[Template talk:Furry potential|another]] which had the category tag in the text; I changed it in a link to the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== I have my reasons ==

There are limits to what should and shouldn't be publicly displayed. I'm sure you understand that. By allowing my birth date, my state and city of residence, my full name, and links to profiles that are otherwise irrelevant to cited information, puts my real life in jeopardy. All it takes is one person to say "I'm gonna be the internet white knight" and start doing background checks, or attempt identity theft, to make my already turbulent life to take that much more of a turn for the worst. If it makes it any better, I'll personally write the entry as it should be, and as it should be less threatening to my wellbeing. If anything were to happen to me, I would be certain to connect this website directly with the leaking of my personal information. Now, that isn't a threat but merely what would happen if my real life personal information remains so publicly displaced as it was here.
Possibly if you could just delete the entry all together, I will leave in peace and never return lest I need to defend myself again, as I'm sure you understand.- {{unsigned|Rainbowcandy}}

== Since you deleted the advertisement page... ==

Since you deleted the spam page about car insurance, could you also block [[User:Carinsurancequotes]]? Their name implies they're just here to spam the site with that, so... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:54, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ginger Vixen ==
Hi, Ginger Vixen here.

I must request, please, due to family issues, that you delete my WikiFur page. Many thanks. [[User:Gingervixen|Ging]] 12:34, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Flags ==

Hi there !

I've just been updating the [[ConFuzzled 2011]] entry, adding in the attendee list by country. Although I've entered what I believe are the correct ISO codes, several countries all seem to have the same flag symbol - specifically Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Hungary and Lithuania..... am I using the right ISO code set, or is there a bug ? Cheers. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:15, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:A [[:File:Flags.png|flag sprite]] contains the images specified in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. If the codes concerned are not in that list, they will not work. Apparently it needs to be updated. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:10, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. Equivamp 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re:Features ==

I know, I was just teasin' ya. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 09:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account Control ==

Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:57, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== [[Furry Feet & Naylon]] ==

That is all. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:45, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Holy Crap ==

New Featured article! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Article History ==

Is there any way you could delete the history of [[Equivamp]] without deleting the article itself? And this includes edit summaries. Personal information that has since been removed from the article doesn't need to be discovered, but I have reason to believe someone will attempt to "drop dox" on me very, very, soon, and that's something I could do without. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Can you give the date of the last revision that you are concerned with? Your recent edits do not appear to involve such information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::The first few edits contain my legal name. That's what I'm concerned about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:41, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I think we [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Equivamp&dir=prev&limit=100&action=history should be good now]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks a ton. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:49, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Blocking Meepsheep ==

Wait, so I'm not welcome here? Meepsheep wasn't making negative edits, as far as I saw. We're welcome there, as long as we're good; aren't we supposed to assume good faith? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:22, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:This is hilarious on so many levels. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:38, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:Meepsheep has been responsible for significant disruption of this wiki in the past few months, as he has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meepsheep/Archive|at Wikipedia]] and [[Wikia:c:sonic:Category:Sockpuppets of MeepSheep|several]] [[Wikiquote:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Meepsheep|other]] [http://heroeswiki.com/User_talk:Meepsheep wikis]. Massive, continued proxy abuse, front page and template vandalism, you name it. I have reported this abuse to his ISP on more than one occasion. He is not welcome here, period. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:To answer your more general question: contributors to WikiFur are expected to remain neutral, and actions which call this neutrality into question are problematic. We ''cannot'' assume you are editing an article about a person in good faith if you are also making fun of them over at ED (or elsewhere). I have blocked at least one editor for this precise activity in the past. You really need to make a choice – do you want to be known as a person who fairly and dispassionately reports on the fandom and those within in, or one who publicly documents the weaknesses and failings of fellow fans for your own amusement? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::It is hilarious that Greenreaper now considers disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously he's done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. Folks must wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:14, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:GreenReaper

2011-06-19T23:14:32Z

Xydexx: /* Blocking Meepsheep */

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, it's no problem. I've been incredibly busy at work this whole month myself. Whenever you can give your time, it is appreciated - but don't kill yourself over not being able to. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:01, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This is an apology to you, sorry for my rashness. Having a bit of hell but that's no excuse. Won’t happen again I hope, but always feel free to put me in my place. --[[User:Atrumnex101|Atrumnex101]] 17:06, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please delete my article. ==

Hey there. I was wondering if you could delete the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fidge for me. I've lost interest in keeping up with wikipedia and stuff and I would like my own page removed. Thanks alot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fidge|Fidge]] ([[User talk:Fidge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fidge|contribs]]) .
:It's not your page, it's our page about you - even if you started it. However, we do have an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion policy]], which I have applied to that page. Please contact myself or another administrator if you would like to revert this exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism targeted at Anthrochat-related articles ==

Seems that some members from Anthrochat have taken to vandalising particular articles. I've reverted [[Anthrochat]] and [[Furrycoffeeshop]] a few times already today. Is it possible to get those pages protected somehow? Thanks. :) [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 19:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:We do not normally protect pages unless vandalism becomes unmanageable, or a "time-out" is needed between editors. However, the two anonymous users concerned have been blocked for inserting inaccurate information before, and they have now been blocked for a longer period for the same reason. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:: Allright, seems fair, thanks. I'm just not sure it will help much, because I know the people behind those IPs. They'll probably just come back in 2 weeks and do it again... :/ [[User:CodeCat|CodeCat]] 20:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Deleted Images ==

I can understand the copyright violation, but 'there is agreement that the work was used'? Unless I am understanding you wrong, there was no agreement - you stated that yourself. If I were to upload these again under a different usage, would they be removed again?

[[User:Rinduri|Rinduri]] 00:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:Nobody disagrees that Tuqiri used Vailwolf's work in the art show - just whether or not it was "fair use" to do so. Therefore, there is little justification for using copyrighted works to show this, especially against the wishes of ''both'' copyright holders.
:As I understand it, you were already advised by Vailwolf that she did not wish you to redistribute her work. I think you should strongly reconsider your reasons and legal grounds for doing so regardless. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Change picture? ;-) ==

A pal of mine, Aatheus, showed me a picture of me and a fellow CATS cosplayer that is on the various Wikis in the Furry sections. Fantastic to be seen, but oh gosh, can we somehow find a more.. er... flattering image? I can't say that makeup was one of my best now is the wig any good. Can you please contact me so that I can provide a better picture that is by far more suitable? Please note me here on Wikifur or email me.

This is the one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GR_FC2007_furry_cats_costumers.jpg

Best purrs,

[[User:Twospotz|Twospotz]] (Among CATS folks known as Ahdeya - that blackclad CATS cat lady....)

:''Replied via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Blanking ==
Hi there! Please don't remove all content from pages, as you did with [[Inuki]]. Such changes will be reverted, especially when no reason is given. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:That's what she gets for degrading me
:"Like most Thieves, she claims to ask before applying her edits, however this is in fact a lie. Even if it were true she posts her edited pictures in sites that do now allow such works and considers them traced or stolen, hence her label in the fandom as an Art Thief"

:She added that to my page without my permission -Twilightwolf4:

::I'm not sure you have the right person. Inuki is from Germany; the edits in question came from an IP address that traces to New York. Regardless, such edits just waste ''our'' time, not the subject's. Please refrain from them in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to prevent editing of a userpage?

:[[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] can do lots of things - though page protection is usually a last resort. If there's clearly an ongoing problem, other will step in. Note that you have the ability to watch pages, and to be emailed when an edit is made to them.
:Bear in mind that like most public wikis, WikiFur is open to all editors. While user pages will generally be left to the user concerned, if the information on them appears particularly one-sided, others may be inclined to edit them. Content that appears to be a description of a subject may also be moved to the main namespace and edited further, as user pages are not intended to replace or duplicate articles (compare [[GreenReaper]] and [[User:GreenReaper]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd rather not have my page altered
Especially not with lies made by anti-furs

:Well, and here's where it gets tricky - when it comes to a wiki, it's ''not'' "your page". It's "our page about you". The User: page is intended to provide information relating to your contributions to WikiFur - not as a venue for presenting your own opinion of yourself without fear of rebuttal; nor for criticizing others, especially when it comes to off-wiki matters. That stuff belongs on your homepage, and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|we're not a hosting site]]. If you want a page which only you can edit, you should probably look elsewhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Is deleting possible?
Although 'they' would make a new page about me anyway, ah well, life goes on, popularity has ups and downs, plus, not a lot of people know about my page...

there's no need to reply back to this

== Wiki tagline ==

Just a quick note, because I've noticed it before but not gotten around to asking you about it... Is it possible to get the tagline to WikiLurv changed on the int'l portal for grammar reasons? "Den lurviga encyklopedin", would probably be the best translation of WikiFur's "the furry encyclopedia". Either that or "Den svenska furryencyklopedin" ("The swedish furry encyclopedia" - the former implies that the wiki itself is covered in fur, the latter that it's a furry-related encyclopedia; I'm not sure which WikiFur's tagline is supposed to imply); I'm not married to either translation, just want the grammar straightened out. At your convenience, of course. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 13:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I've tweaked this now; you may have to force a refresh to see it. I guess the meaning I intended is really more the latter, but I used the former because it's shorter and doesn't specify the language, which would obliviate the point of a universal tagline (assuming that "Den furryencyklopedin" is also grammatically incorrect). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Cheers! --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I'm glad i was able to help confirming the truth of the article on The Deadly Wolves. Though now that the edi war been taken care of. I'm going to need a bit of help with the article of his. Since i do have concern that this will most become an edit war whenever the confirmination of the truth comes out. (Hoping it doesn't get to that point.) --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 20:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
:Just let us know what you have to work with on the article's attached discussion page, and we can all pitch in. It's hardly the first time we've had to document contentious subjects. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well anyway i've finished with citing all of my refs about the subject. I've mentioned this on the subject talk page. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming Subject talk page] Basically it's all in a notepad. Though is it alright to post all of what i found so it be easier to find what can be used for this article. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 21:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Sure, I think that'd be OK - other editors can make use of it in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Alright but where since there's a lot of stuff. Should i post it all on my talk page then?--[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 22:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::You should post it on the talk pages for the relevant articles, because that's where other editors will look. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright then and i'm done with the first part. [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Conner_Lupindo_Hemming#References_of_Ban_Evasions References of ban evasions] I will be posting the other part in the Deadly Wolves Article Section since the next part is mostly related to that. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 04:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change? ==

I don't have an LJ, so I figured this would be the place to ask for it. If it's not an inconvenience, going from "Twilight-wolf" to just "Twilight" would help lots. I've checked around the site, there doesn't seem to be a user with that name, if it's available, I'll take it. If not, I'll come up with something else.

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Twilight-wolf|Twilight-wolf]] ([[User talk:Twilight-wolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twilight-wolf|contribs]]) .

:Unfortunately the name Twilight was registered earlier this year. I would be glad to rename your account to something else, though. You already have both Twilight-Wolf and Twilight-wolf (different capitalizations) - it would be good if you logged into the former so that I can merge them before renaming. (The account was created on Wikia.com; if you have forgotten the password, you'll need to go there to reset it first.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Furry Fashion ==

Wondering if This is appropriate for this site
I run furry fashion the largest furry clothing and accessory store in second life, we are a furry community 3 sims wide, with over 4500 members, 70 furs employed, 4000 items for sale, a welcome centre to help new furs get started and explain what furs are, homes, a mall, events and other other furry things. I have been asked before if we have a page here but I wasn't sure if we was allowed to have one. I have noticed AX , another SL furry company does but wanted to be sure first before making one.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
[[User:Amethysia|Amethysia]] (Amethyst Crystal in second life)
:Hi Amethysia! You're welcome to start an article about your group (presumably at [[Furry Fashion]]). However, we do require that all articles be [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Explanation of the neutral point of view|neutral]] - so try to stick to the facts. Basically, if it doesn't ''sound'' like it was written by you, that's probably a good start. If what you say is true, the facts should be impressive by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Could I be unblocked from your AIM list? When I talked to you at FC2011 you made it sound like you would once you were back home but so far I've not seen it, and even Ayukawataur hasn't relayed any messages saying if you would or not.

--Mozdoc

== Just wanted another's opinion. ==

Hi, I am very new to this (is it a wiki?) wiki, and I was wondering if you could check out my user page and tell me if I fit into the Fandom. I am still learning new things every day, and I am young, but I believe I am a Furry. Since nobody's shoved a pen and paper in my hand and said "You're a Furry, please add your name to the list", I was wanting an opinion from someone more knowledgable on the subject than I, and I thought asking you would be a good idea. Plus, I noticed on your page that you developed an interest in this whole system too at a young age. If you will, please leave a reply on my talk page. I am user:Perservere. Thank you.
:Furries are fans of anthropomorphic animals. It seems like you fit the definition. How you express that interest is up to you! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:54, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I was actually nervous about being scrutinized about my age, my reasons, and such, but you didn't say a word about it. I am ecstatic that (ridiculous though it may sound) I am "classified" so to speak. Going off topic, (just wanted to say this) I find it hilarious that most people who make fun of Furries, 1. Often quote Encyclopedia Dramatica, 2. Most likely are/were fans of the Warner Bros (you know Tom and Jerry among others), and 3. Repeat the same insults over and over. Going back, I can't thank you enough for being so accepting of me. I have actually dealt with people who attacked me for my interests on the subject, but I'm just glad that I have finally gotten clarity on the question of "Am I? or am I not?". Thanks so much, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 17:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Spam filter exception ==

I'm linking to my survey's results page, and want "<tt><nowiki>Results</nowiki></tt>" to "<tt><nowiki>[http://bit.ly/UltFurSur2011stats Results]</nowiki></tt>" on [[UFS2011]] —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 15:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:That link doesn't seem to work, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, I meant /UFS2011stats —[[User:Supuhstar| '''''Supuhstar''''']] [[User_talk:Supuhstar| *]] [[User:Supuhstar/Simpedia|'''''§''''']] 01:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting how you put a message first! ==

I believe (even if in a small way) that the article is relevant. Examples being any sort of reptilian anthropomorph, as on your page "Scalies", and any possible others (not much of an argument, I know, but I'm determined). I have revised that article with more accurate information, examples, and links. I will also add a "Species List", of what furry creatures are considered cold-blooded. Keep in mind, I'm not looking to fight anyone, overeaction is all too common. I see your point of view, but we can't trade thoughts. Anyways, good luck, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 19:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you see some relevance in the article now, sir? I certainly do. [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:22, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Two images ==

A little bit ago I was trying to handle a situation where a new user had uploaded an image with a "generic" filename, in this case Example.jpg, for which there was an existing file by the same name, and he apparently had simply replaced the existing image with the new one. What I would like to have done, but couldn't figure out how, was to "fork" both the new and old versions, i.e. to rename the image per the new version, then revert the redirect to point to the old one (which I was also going to rename to something more meaningful than Example.jpg). As far as I was able to determine, the only way to do this was to save one of the versions of the image and re-create it as a new image. Do you know of a better way to do this? Incidentally, it turned out the old version was being referenced by [[User:Ratty913|only one user page]], and the overwritten version of the image was uploaded more recently and by a different user, and therefore was probably not the one intended by the userpage author, so it is now effectively a deleted image, though in actuality it still lives on in the version history of the [[:File:MorinWolf.jpg|renamed image]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:I do not believe there is a way to do image forking in MediaWiki. The best solution is probably to upload the new image to a separate page, revert the old image, delete the revision of the new image that is on the old image page and then move that to a better filename. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Please remove my name and email address from this article ==

Hi,

I would really appreciate it if you could remove my name and email address from this question I asked several years ago?

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Forum:Furry_comics

It comes up when people search my name in search engines so i'd really appreciate it if those bits could be removed?

Thank you

P {{unsignedIP|78.147.58.35}}

:I've redacted the e-mail address from that article. Since you posted this request as an anonymous IP user, we can't tell what your name is and there are several mentioned in the article. You could just change the article yourself. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:04, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

- Fab, thanks, have done.

::Sorry for the reversion, I didn't see this discussion, and didn't know there was a legitimate request to remove that information (or that it was even the original user doing it). -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 03:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Article Frequency? ==

Hey GreenReaper :)

I'm curious how often the Featured Articles are updated? It seems like the current one on the [[Nephilim]] has been there for quite some time.

[[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

:The front page is setup to rotate them weekly, and a process for updating them is at [[WikiFur:Featured articles]]/[[WikiFur:Featured article candidates|Featured article candidates]]. However, no one editor has taken a lead in doing so, and so they remain un-updated (this has been a problem since 2007, as I've been increasingly involved with work and [[WikiFur News]]/[[Flayrah]]). A replacement involving dynamic selection of articles from a collection is on my list for after our [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/87354.html server move], but if you're interested in helping out right now, it looks like [[Oklacon]] has support. There's no rule to say you can't promote one you nominated! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

== King of the Internet ==

Furries make the internet go; Green Reaper makes the furrydom go; ergo, Green Reaper makes the internet go. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:69.169.167.47|69.169.167.47]] ([[User talk:69.169.167.47|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.169.167.47|contribs]]) .

:No [[meatball:GodKing|gods or kings]]; only [[Creatures:Norn|norn]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

== Username Change ==

GreenReaper, is it possible for you to rename my username to BlueOtter, merging my user paging into the existing [[BlueOtter]] article? Thanks in advance! [[User:Seanmcelroy|BlueOtter]] 22:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::You are ridiculously fast... and awesome. Thank you. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 22:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
:There seems to be some confusion, however. User pages are intended for information about the user ''on WikiFur''. They are not intended to separate people from their characters. The main-space page is a third-person account intended to be edited by all, while the user page is typically written by the editor in first person, who may give background to their editing activities or provide details of a non-encyclopedic nature (e.g. contact info). Compare [[User:GreenReaper|my user page]] and [[GreenReaper]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I believe I understand, but how do you suggest then separating real-life people who are referred to by their character names as a pseudonym (who only give such a name), but also have distinct eponymous characters? For instance, my year of birth or occupation don't have any baring on these attributes for my characters, and applying for instance, the Programming category to my real-person make sense, but not BlueOtter, the character and online persona. Would you suggest a disambiguation page in this case for person vs. character? I just want to make sure I do things right and consistent with the patterns you and others have established. :) [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 14:47, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Because most furs use their character names to represent themselves, articles under their names are assumed to be primarily about the person ("People" is invariably the first category). Their character is either treated as if it were "part of the person" and integrated throughout ("RandomFurry is a grey wolf and software developer who lives in Newark") or described in a separate "Character" section of the same article, depending on the attitude that the subject has to their primary character. In your case, a section might be most appropriate - you can restate any differing information such as age or personal characteristics in that area. The categories are combined at the end, unless the character has a different name. (In that case - often used by fursuiters - we normally make a separate section for the characters, then make the character name a redirect to that section and put the character-specific categories on the redirect page so that the character name shows up in those categories - e.g. YellowOtter == <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[RandomFurry#Character]][[Category:Otter characters]]</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Another approach to take if your life outside fandom is not a major factor in your activities is to treat the character as the primary topic and have a separate section labelled something like "Real life". The order of categories would remain the same, however. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

== People who don't get it ==

Just had a look at recent edits and wow... [[User:Meepsheep|'''Meepsheep''']] appears to be racking up an impressive number of block evasions (assuming Meepsheep is the original account). Talk about failing to get the message. Would it be effective to block all logins from that IP? Or would that be against Wikifur's policies/ethos? Just wondering, because one could spend a lot of time just keeping track of this one clown. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 23:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:I did, however many proxy addresses were used in an attempt to circumvent it. I have filed an abuse report with Comcast. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:53, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Too bad Comcast doesn't care about your insignificant wiki drama. --[[User:HiggoLippo|HiggoLippo]] 06:11, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Impending Edit War ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fritter

The user [[User:Skittle|'''Skittle''']] has set out to edit the Fritter wikifur page in an effort to remove all information on Fritter's accused from, this information is widely publicly in countless media outless. Skittle's announced his full intention to edit the article to his needs and has no interest in discussion of the issue. Skittle claims that Fritter has requested the page be removed but has no evidence of this. With this intention for an edit war, reverting the article seems futile and I would like an administrator to step in and clarify the rules in this case of 'Publicly available private information' as it seems it would be the most expedient solution. [[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] 00:50, 9 April 2011 (CEST)

== For the record. ==

I removed the link to zidonuke.net (Which is hosted on Zidonuke's home connection) because I felt that given the history of the owner of that domain, that linking to it has an increased potential unduely expose unsuspecting Wikifur users to hazards such as malware etc. I see you re-added that link and hope you reconsider doing so. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 21:19, 12 April 2011 (CEST)

== Requesting removal ==

Hi, I was wondering if I could have the page about me (entitled Zest Wolf) deleted. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:131.191.24.124|131.191.24.124]] ([[User talk:131.191.24.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/131.191.24.124|contribs]]) .
:Hi! We need to confirm all removal requests actually come from the people concerned; I'll attempt to contact you via your MSN account or failing that, your dA account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Vandal Ban Appeal ==

Please ban [[User:Loxx]] and delete the pages they made, as they are mindless vandalism. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:40, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
:I already did. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sae that. You're rather fast. Thank you! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

== Problem with deletion ==

Hi, GreenReaper

I'm having a problem deleting the items on the '''F''' section of (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_deletion). Any suggestions, please? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:Could you be more specific? The one which is there now should be there because [[Template:Inappropriate]] is on it. There was [[Template talk:Furry potential|another]] which had the category tag in the text; I changed it in a link to the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:06, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== I have my reasons ==

There are limits to what should and shouldn't be publicly displayed. I'm sure you understand that. By allowing my birth date, my state and city of residence, my full name, and links to profiles that are otherwise irrelevant to cited information, puts my real life in jeopardy. All it takes is one person to say "I'm gonna be the internet white knight" and start doing background checks, or attempt identity theft, to make my already turbulent life to take that much more of a turn for the worst. If it makes it any better, I'll personally write the entry as it should be, and as it should be less threatening to my wellbeing. If anything were to happen to me, I would be certain to connect this website directly with the leaking of my personal information. Now, that isn't a threat but merely what would happen if my real life personal information remains so publicly displaced as it was here.
Possibly if you could just delete the entry all together, I will leave in peace and never return lest I need to defend myself again, as I'm sure you understand.- {{unsigned|Rainbowcandy}}

== Since you deleted the advertisement page... ==

Since you deleted the spam page about car insurance, could you also block [[User:Carinsurancequotes]]? Their name implies they're just here to spam the site with that, so... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:54, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ginger Vixen ==
Hi, Ginger Vixen here.

I must request, please, due to family issues, that you delete my WikiFur page. Many thanks. [[User:Gingervixen|Ging]] 12:34, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Flags ==

Hi there !

I've just been updating the [[ConFuzzled 2011]] entry, adding in the attendee list by country. Although I've entered what I believe are the correct ISO codes, several countries all seem to have the same flag symbol - specifically Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, Estonia, Croatia, Hungary and Lithuania..... am I using the right ISO code set, or is there a bug ? Cheers. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:15, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:A [[:File:Flags.png|flag sprite]] contains the images specified in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. If the codes concerned are not in that list, they will not work. Apparently it needs to be updated. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:22, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:10, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. Equivamp 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re:Features ==

I know, I was just teasin' ya. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 09:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account Control ==

Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:57, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== [[Furry Feet & Naylon]] ==

That is all. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:45, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Holy Crap ==

New Featured article! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Article History ==

Is there any way you could delete the history of [[Equivamp]] without deleting the article itself? And this includes edit summaries. Personal information that has since been removed from the article doesn't need to be discovered, but I have reason to believe someone will attempt to "drop dox" on me very, very, soon, and that's something I could do without. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Can you give the date of the last revision that you are concerned with? Your recent edits do not appear to involve such information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::The first few edits contain my legal name. That's what I'm concerned about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:41, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I think we [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Equivamp&dir=prev&limit=100&action=history should be good now]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks a ton. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:49, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Blocking Meepsheep ==

Wait, so I'm not welcome here? Meepsheep wasn't making negative edits, as far as I saw. We're welcome there, as long as we're good; aren't we supposed to assume good faith? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:22, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:This is hilarious on so many levels. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:38, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:Meepsheep has been responsible for significant disruption of this wiki in the past few months, as he has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meepsheep/Archive|at Wikipedia]] and [[Wikia:c:sonic:Category:Sockpuppets of MeepSheep|several]] [[Wikiquote:Category:Wikiquote sockpuppets of Meepsheep|other]] [http://heroeswiki.com/User_talk:Meepsheep wikis]. Massive, continued proxy abuse, front page and template vandalism, you name it. I have reported this abuse to his ISP on more than one occasion. He is not welcome here, period. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:48, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:To answer your more general question: contributors to WikiFur are expected to remain neutral, and actions which call this neutrality into question are problematic. We ''cannot'' assume you are editing an article about a person in good faith if you are also making fun of them over at ED (or elsewhere). I have blocked at least one editor for this precise activity in the past. You really need to make a choice – do you want to be known as a person who fairly and dispassionately reports on the fandom and those within in, or one who publicly documents the weaknesses and failings of fellow fans for your own amusement? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::It is hilarious that Greenreaper now considers disrupting and vandalizing WikiFur unacceptable, when previously he's done anything and everything possible to defend such behavior in the name of assuming good faith. Folks must wonder [http://englishaesop.blogspot.com/2010/09/herford-arab-and-his-camel.html how WikiFur got this bad]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:14, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:GreenReaper

2011-06-19T19:38:10Z

Xydexx: /* Blocking Meepsheep */

User talk:Xydexx

2011-06-16T14:55:11Z

Xydexx: It's kinda funny when people who don't want be taken seriously get upset when they aren't taken seriously.

User talk:Xydexx

2011-06-16T04:43:21Z

Xydexx: PS

User talk:Xydexx

2011-06-16T04:40:10Z

Xydexx: I hate being right all the time.

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder <S>mental problems</S> a mental disorder], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as the result of:
::::::* Ensuring articles have accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::It's nice that WikiFur has better coverage of Furry fandom than Wikipedia does, but you're doing so in a way that makes WikiFur barely more reliable than Encyclopedia Dramatica, and if you don't think that reflects poorly on the credibility of yourself or the wiki, you are sorely mistaken. If you don't like me pointing out problems here or elsewhere, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''. 2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement. 3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported].
::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Just for your information, Xydexx, I have been on WikiFur far longer than I've been on ED, and I don't see why it was relevant to bring this up, nor the fact that I have "mental Problems". It isn't a problem, it's a disorder, and, again, is irrelevant. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:46, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I stand corrected. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:55, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The pattern we've seen over at least the last year is that soon after you get involved in any discussion over content, you take on a very abrasive, sarcastic approach in your discussion. That tends to be very offputting to others you should be trying to work with (that's a polite way of saying ''it pisses people off''). Didn't anyone ever teach you the old adage, ''you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar''? In spite of this, at one point I made an effort to see past the abrasive, sarcastic nature of your posts to look for any valid criticisms, got a noticeboard set up, and all I got from you in response was more complaints. You don't make it easy for others to work with you!
:::::::The most recent discussion on [[Talk:Inflation]] indicates you haven't changed much. Being civil, diplomatic, and assuming good faith are among the basic tenets of wikis. You say you're trying to make correct, factually based edits, but to quote another adage, ''it's not just what you say but how you say it''. Continuing to annoy other contributors in the manner you've been doing may be regarded as uncivil behavior that could be considered cause for blocking your access to the site if it continues. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:54, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Fair enough, but I think my approach would be a lot less abrasive and sarcastic if my requests for assistance didn't involve trying to navigate WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards and getting stonewalled; if I had confidence that the so-called "curators" would actual do something about problems when they were pointed out; if I thought WikiFur were trying to be a fact-based encyclopedia instead of a faith-based one (i.e., the standard for inclusion on WikiFur is not whether it's true, but whether you ''believe'' it's true); if you actually took ''other'' contributors to task for their abrasive, sarcastic approach instead of singling me out for it.
::::::::For what it's worth, I do appreciate that you got involved in the discussion. It's just a little mind-blowing that y'all thought a discussion was necessary to reach "consensus" instead of just dealing with it the same way you normally deal with ''people adding nonsense to WikiFur1''. It would have saved everyone a lot of trouble. Just my $0.02.
::::::::1 I suppose the discussion was necessary was because y'all thought '''a guy claiming inflatable-hating ninjas were secretly breaking into his house while he was asleep and engaging in clandestine shenanigans and then leaving without a trace was credible enough to be taken at face value.''' Clearly, any ''sarcasm'' I dealt out in response to this was ''undeserved'' and I should have tried harder to ''work'' with him. (The funny thing is, when I stopped arguing with him and tried to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_talk:Popping_%28Under_revision%29&diff=prev&oldid=269259 help him expose the Russian Popper Mafia], I ended up getting banned for creating "hoax articles." Man, there's just no pleasing you guys!)
::::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:22, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: I Saw What You Did There ==

At first I didn't realize what you were talking about. Yes, I typed a few words into your ED page. No, I didn't go looking for it--I was looking through Category:Furries/People and saw a name I recognized.
I don't know why you seem to think I'm out to get you, or why you're so interested in my off-site exploits, but ED is a site for laughs. ''[[Lulz]]'', to be specific. Oh no, I used a site for its intended purpose! I must be a [[troll]] and a hater! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Afterthought: You thought I was an admin? I'm flattered. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 13:06, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lulz are not laughs. Lulz are what's left over after all the humor has been sucked out of a joke. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 10:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::Well, I suppose that is just your opinion, is it not? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:44, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, I'm certainly not alone in that opinion. And while you may think adding to an article about me on ''[[Encyclopædia_Dramatica#Privacy|a site intended for recreational harassment]]'' is funny, it says a lot about what an apology from you is worth. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:04, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::::An apology shows regret for the past. And, as adding five words to an article is not an attack by any means, I'm afraid I shan't apologize for it, if that's what you were expecting. Honestly, I don't much care how much you think anything related to me is worth--I'll go on and continue to live my life as I have been; and that includes editing both ED and WikiFur indiscriminately. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:19, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, we all have to live with the decisions we make. Hope you're happy with yours. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:06, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::As I fail to see how this could turn out negatively for me, I suppose I will be. The worst that could happen is that I become labeled a psuedofur or popufur, but I don't care much for labels. This is just the internet. Don't take me--or a page on a satirical and oft-offensive site--so seriously. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:45, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Watch what you wish for. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 12:11, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Oh, my! Doesn't that sound ominous! :-) [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:18, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Nevada. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 12:17, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Oklahoma? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:24, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== I smell butthurt ==

Xydexx, your hypocrisy astounds me. You accused me of causing drama off-site by typing four words that didn't reference you at all, yet you make a vicious, attacking blog entry challenging my location, age, and sex, as well as accusing me of being a Burned Fur. That's outrageous. Why would I be planning [[KIFF|a furmeet]] if I don't live in Kansas. Furthermore, why would I lie about living in such an isolated place? And while it is true I am [[wikipedia:bigender|bigendered]], my anatomy tells me that I am, in fact, female. Why would that surprise you? Did you think there were no females on the internet? And as for me being a Burned Fur: what proof do you have to back up such claims? You have questioned my integrity, Xydexx. Why? Are you so obsessed with me that I cause you to lose sleep at night unless you convince yourself that I'm a man in Hawaii? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 18:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Heh. Sounds like I got a little too close to the truth! Alas, you won't be the first [[User:Wolfkid23|troll sockpuppet]] Greenreaper's given ''carte blanche'' to on WikiFur, and probably won't be the last. Nothing personal. It probably says more about what WikiFur claims to be than anything you claim to be anyway. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:12, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm not a sock puppet. When have I made a single nonconstructive edit to this wiki? And if I'm a sock puppet, who controls me? [[Special:Contributions/174.126.213.241|174.126.213.241]] 22:33, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:::You can drop the pretense. Did you really think you were going to get away with your little ruse?
:::I've gotta admit, you almost had me fooled. Well played. I must admit I'm kinda curious whose picture you're using. Is she your daughter or something? I don't really wanna turn this into a commentary on your parenting skills, but using your daughter as a pawn in your trolling attempt is really kinda sad.
:::So now I guess the only question left is what did I do to you to make you so butthurt? Or are you just that desperate for attention from anyone who randomly shows up? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:40, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

Equivamp

2011-06-16T04:29:53Z

Xydexx: Nice try. improved_anthro = Burned Fur II.

[[File:Equivamp.jpg|right|thumb|Equivamp out of the fur.]]
'''Equivamp''' a [[furry artist]], [[funny animal artist]], and [[comic artist|sequential artist]] , was born on January 26, 1996 in [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas, Nevada|Las Vegas, Nevada]]. After living briefly on a mountain in [[Wikipedia:California|California]] for a time and learning how to speak, her family moved halfway across the country to [[Wikipedia:Chanute, Kansas|Chanute, Kansas]] to be closer to family. Her [[fursona]] is a [[Wikipedia:Psychic vampire|psi-vampiric]] [[zebra]]-[[pegasus]] that can [[shapeshift]] into a [[rat]]. In the past, it was able to become a grizzly bear, but this was scrapped. She is a caretaker in the [[babyfur]] community, and she caretakes [[Vixie Vixen]].
n 2009, she was diagnosed with [[Wikipedia:Oppositional defiant disorder|O.D.D.]].

She is a [[Wikipedia:Thespian|thespian]], having dabbled in [[Wikipedia:Stage actor|stage acting]] and she is curious and seeking amateur [[Wikipedia:Voice acting|voice acting]] roles.

Equivamp has been often seen online as '''Kila''' or '''Kila Brija''', and on [[YouTube]] she is '''Equivampthefurry'''. Online, if her [[avatar]] is not a picture of her fursona, it is a [[feline]] eye with her username on it, or an animated clip from the her favorite television series, ''[[Wikipedia:Scrubs|Scrubs]]''. She is a [[therian]], believing that in a past life she was a [[rat]] — perhaps even a [[male]] one &mdash. In the current life, she is biologically a [[human]] [[female]], but identifies as [[genderfluid]]. However, for the sake of making things simple, she insists that the 'she' program is used to describe her, but that she never be called a girl, rather, a "person" or other such moniker. She is an [[wikipedia:Agnostic theism|Agnostic theist]], with beleifs leaning toward [[wikipedia:Protestanism|Protestanism]], but is very open minded, being [[Wikipedia:Pro-Choice|Pro-Choice]], and supoprting [[gay]] marriage. She herself is also [[asexual]].

After her comic, '''Heroes''', featuring a fan-race that she named '''Anthronasi''' became so popular among those in her area, but explaining the characters and race to each and every one that asked, she created OnasiCatpedia, the Anthronasi Wiki.

Previously she was [[mate]]d to [[DNide4Evr]], but the two split up due to lack of interest.<ref>[http://equivamp.deviantart.com/journal/40920149/ Updates] - A [[DeviantART]] Journal entry explaining the breakup </ref> While the two are still friends, Equivamp is currently single.
[[File:Equivamp's Deviant Fursona.jpg|right|thumb|Equivamp's Simbid fursona, drawn by herself.]]
[[File:EquivampbySwiftpaw.jpg|right|thumb|Equivamp by Swiftpaw.]]
[[File:Equivampeye.gif|right|thumb|A common [[avatar]] used by Equivamp.]]
[[File:Equivampbabyrainbou.jpg|right|thumb|Equivamp, as drawn by Babyrainbou.]]
She spends much of her time drawing, reading, writing, and [[roleplaying]] on sites like [[Antilia]] and [[SoFurry]].

== Contributions to the Fandom ==
Equivamp discovered the [[Furry Fandom]] sometime in 2009 when a search for "[[were]][[cheetah]]" resulted in a search for [[lycanthropy]], which in turn led to [[anthropomorphic]] and ultimately [[Furry]]. Immediately taking an interest, she looked it up on [[Wikipedia]]. "Hot dog," she said, "There are more nerds like me?" And thus, she immersed herself in the fandom without hesitation. The first "Furry" site she joined was [[Antilia]], and the first furry she interacted with was DNide4Evr, who was very helpful and welcomed her to join the active [[roleplay]] on that site. After a while, she was convinced to join other sites, such as [[SoFurry]], [[The Furry Forum]], [[FurAffinity]], [[MyFur]], and [[FurNation]], among others. Where possible, she has contributed a large amount of [[Furry art]]. While most of it depicts characters designed with the Furry Fandom in mind, she also draws a lot of [[funny animals]].

She created a few anthropomorphic [[species]], and created the [[FANWO]] group.

She has introduced many to the fandom, including [[Vixie Vixen]], [[Radar]], [[Alice]], [[Nera]], and [[Reyju Reynolds]], due to "a lack of furs" in her area.

Once, she was called a [[furfag]], and responded with, "I prefer the term [[CigaPet]]," thus coining the term.

She has contributed to many [[Wikifur]] articles, as well as creating several new ones, uploading files, and reverting vandalism.
She is a [[fursuiter]] — unfortunately she only has prosthetics — [[tail]], [[ears]], [[masquerade]]-style mask — of a [[tiger]], and though she feels a strong connection to tigers, and all big cats, really, she does not consider one part of her fursonae. She wants a full [[fursuit]] — or more — but they are very expensive. She also wears a purple [[dog]] [[collar]], occasionally with a matching [[leash]].

Strangely enough, her fursona is not, nor has it ever been that of her [[theriotype]], the [[Wikipedia:Brown rat|brown rat]], also known as the Norway Rat. Her [[furry spirituality|spirit animal]] is the North American [[Grizzly Bear]]

She is a [[lifestyler]], and often wishes to become an [[animal]] — though it is not always her fursona's [[species]] she wishes to become. She often jokes that, as she could not make up her mind about what animal she should be, God simply forced her soul into a [[human]] body and "this is the horrible atrocity that resulted." She walks on the balls of her feet occasionally to give herself a more [[digitigrade]] stance.

She plans to go to [[Central Midwest Furmeet]] in 2011.
[[File:Indescribable.jpg|right|thumb|One of Equivamp's works that has gained some fame within and outside of the furry community, mostly in the [[Therian]] community.]]
Equivamp actually doesn't mind [[troll]]s, though she seems to hate [[Super-Furry]] with a passion. <ref> [http://equivamp.deviantart.com/#/d3bgora This deviation. Caution: NSFW.] </ref>
She has jokingly threatened that she was "[[leaving the fandom]] forever!"
The proposed [[furmeet]], [[KIFF]], is planned by her.

== Fursonae ==
Equivamp has two fursonae; one is a [[wolf]] with [[feline]] characteristics — she calls it a simbid — that she uses to represent herself on [[DeviantART]].

=== Previous Fursona ===
[[File:Scalesona.jpg|right|thumb|The [[Scalie]] [[fursona]].]]
Equivamp has had other fursonae in the past, including Trinity Allen, a [[fwox]]. Originally her fursona was a [[Meegar]] , a mouse-like [[alien]] [[quadruped]] [[species]] she created that can control and create electricity, then a hominid [[dragon]]/[[alligator]] combo — though these were before she'd ever heard of the term — and it soon became a male [[cheetah]] named Harek, then a nameless, genderless [[anthropomorphic]] [[hyena]]. The dragon-alligator [[scalie]] fursona is once again her fursona. <ref> [http://equivamp.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3hgvh6 Looking Ahead] - A digital deviation of the scalesona. </ref> Originally, it was the size of an average human, but due to AVEN roleplays, became a [[macro]] character.

=== Fursona Description ===
* ''See [[User:Equivamp/Fursona Description|this page]] for information.''

=== Pokesona ===
[[File:Pokesona.jpg|left|thumb|Equivamp's Pokesona]]
Equivamp's [[pokesona]] is a [[lion]]-like [[pokemon:Luxray|Luxray]] from the popular [[Pokemon]] franchise. The hair on her pokesona resembles that of her main fursona so it is easily recognized.

== Creative Works ==
=== Visual art ===
Equivamp has a passion for art, both furry and non-furry related. Mostly she works in traditional media, though she has dabbled in digital media, animation, and photography. She refuses to depict [[yiff]] in her artwork, but she has drawn a few "artistic nudes".<ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/1/199906661/1983710211 This comment. Also note the piece it is commented on.]</ref> She has also done some modeling when she was younger.
==== Commission Info ====
Generally, Equivamp's [[commission]]s tend to be free and always open. However, it is probably better to check with her first. She also does spontaneous [[gift art]], generally to other furries, often without having ever spoken to them before but deeming them respectable enough to be worthy of it. Examples include [[LilFuzz]] and [[Tavi Munk]]. The quality of commissions tends to vary, one described as being "choppy" while others being above the standard of her normal work. Also, it can take quite a long time for some commissions to be finished, while others get finished right away. She does not do them in order; she claims this is because her "brain doesn't work in order".
==== Inspiration ====
Equivamp's inspiration as an artist came from several sources, Mostly [[Warner Brothers (company)|Warner Brothers]] and the late [[Preston Blair]], though her art also shows influence from [[Disney]] and [[MGM]].

=== Literature ===

Equivamp's writing rarely gets published online, as she does not want it stolen. She writes poems, novels, children's books, and short stories. Her favorite kind of poem is freeform.

Common themes in her writing include:
*[[Transformation]] (generally [[human]] to [[animal]], or [[were]]-centric)
*Correcting mistakes (not often successfully)
*Politics
*Science
*Religion
*Romantic Comedy/Romantic Tragedy
*Star-crossed lovers
*Solitary odysseys
*Epiphanies and Emotional Turmoil
*Mental instability
*Moving past grief

==== ORM ====

''ORM'' is a novel-in-progress by the [[furry]] writer [[Equivamp]]. She also has plans for a follow-up series, ''Tales from ORM'' once the original is finished.
===== '''Plot''' =====
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ORM is set on [[Earth]], somewhere in the near distant future. The air is nearly unbreathable, and in fact [[human]]s need to wear special face masks because the air is so toxic. Early on in the story it is established that this is because of pollution. Though an Ozone-Restoring-Machine has been put in place, mankind has decided to abandon their homeworld in a mass exodus to Mars, where an ORM was put in years ago. One scientist believes that Earth should not be abandoned completely, saying humanity must leave its mark. He develops a way to combine human and [[mammal]]ian [[animal]] genes, making [[anthropomorphic]], [[bipedal]] animals, and publishes his work not long before earthlings become martians at a science [[convention]]. Though in the beginning he treats his creations as equals and companions, his true emotions are eventually exposed when humans begin to die mysteriously and the survivors wish to return to Earth. his creations, not giving up their new home without a fight, refuse to let them and cut themselves off from contact with their mother [[species]]. The scientist becomes enraged at the insubordination and vows to destroy them, every last traitor.
Here is where the author includes biblical references, for the scientist lands on earth in a secret location to gather those that remain faithful to him. Once his followers are safely on a ship, he sends a beam of light known as a 'Phlud' which stands fr "Photo-lunar direction" and is a play on the word 'flood' to wipe out his creation, an allegory of the ''Noah's Ark'' story with a darker twist. Many are killed, however, far more survive, since the Phlud can only affect specific locations at a time, and the cities have long since been evacuated. they can only hang on for so long, however, and one of the 'followers' on the ship betray the scientist and all others on board, killing her creator and redirecting the beam toward the only populated city on Mars, quickly and efficiently making humans an [[extinct]] species.
==== Did you know? ====
* ''ORM'' even references the furry fandom, towards the beginning, when the scientist describes his newfound fame: <BLOCKQUOTE>"Everyone was calling. [...] Most, though, were from a subculture of people that called themselves 'furries', and were part of the 'Furry Fandom', which were fans of [[were]][[animal]]s and [[biped]]s when normally you saw a [[quadruped]]. They would ask questions [...] such as if I could turn them into one of my creatures, if I would send them a picture of one that looks like their fursona--whatever the hell that was. Even they were unable to describe it to me in a way I [...] could understand. One [...] asked if he could ''purchase'' one of them! ''Purchase!'' As if the [[Wikipedia:Slave trade|Slave Trade]] hasn't been illegal since that [[Wikipedia:Abraham Lincoln|Lincoln]] fellow was [[Wikipedia:president|running the small bit]]!"</BLOCKQUOTE>
* It also mentions [[lycanthropy]] to question the scientists mental health ("Lycanthropy? That's a disease! The doctor is moon-mad!") and [[bestiality]] to question his [[sexual orientation]] ("Half-[[human]], half-[[animal]] [[hybrids]]? Perhaps he's simply a [[zoophile]], and creates these because he cannot have biological children with that [[hexapedal]] [[Wikipedia:Sabretooth tiger|cat]] of his."

== Quotes about the Fandom ==
* "I wish people I don't know would stop petting me--it's weird!"
* "Oh, sure, blame the furry."
* "Yeah, we're all weird but at least I'm not weird in ''that'' way."
*"I would just like to say for the record that I am in no way affiliated with the [[Burned Fur]] movement. I never was."<ref> [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fequivamp.livejournal.com%2Fprofile] Google cache of Equivamp's LiveJournal profile, showing her as a member of [[Improved Anthropomorphics|Burned Fur]].</ref>

== Trivia ==
* When unsure what to say, she coughs shortly.
* She always wears a core blance bracelet, because she is clumsy.
* She has [[Wiktionary:alektorophobia|alektorophobia]] (fear of [[Chicken]]s), mild [[Wikipedia:Cynophobia|cynophobia]] (fear of [[Dog]]s), extreme [[Wikipedia:Arachnophobia|Arachnophobia]], and she is paranoid.
* She [[nuzzle]]s people when trying to comfort them.
* She was banned from [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] after her first contribution. Long story short, it had to do with the offended challenge.

== Species ==
* '''Meegars'''. See the main article at [[Meegar]].
* '''Simbidians''' or '''Simbids''' for short. There are two kinds of Simbid, white Simbids and black. All Simbids arethe direct result of a genetic mutation caused by attack to the DNA of an individual by radioactive bacteria. The bacteria targets humans.
** '''Appearance'''
*** All Simbids roar and look like canines.
**** White Simbids have the appearance of white wolves, with retractable [[claw]]s. Male Simbids have a lion-like tail. They have black and/or teal markings.
**** Black Simbids resemble black [[jackal]]s with either [[feline]] or no [[tail]]. They cannot roar and have growths of [[feather]]s resembling [[wings]] on their backs, though none can fly. The [[male]]s have either a [[mane]] or a brush of stiff fur along their backs, which may or may not be the same color as the rest of the body. The females may have a brush, but never a mane. They have white teal, and/or pink markings

== [[Character]]s ==
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Her characters have a few things in common with each other:
none of them are [[avian]]s. In fact, all of them are [[furries]] except from one dropped book, which was scrapped after she realized how close the plot in it was to the one in a [[Star Wars]] game, ''Knights of the Old Republic'' Many of her roleplay characters — particularly the [[female]]s — are six feet, six inches tall, or as she describes it, "Amazonian-sized". Many are also thin and muscular, though often, by her own choice, terrible weapon fighters, great fist-fighters. Equivamp's characters are also knkown for their unique name, in that each has a story behind why she chose it.
* '''Fur Elise''' — Purple vulinian in ''Tales form ORM''. A pianist. Often heard playing the song — as her name implies — ''Fur Elise''.
[[File:Wolf with Sunglasses.jpg|right|thumb|a [[Wikipedia:Bust (sculpture)|bust]] drawing of Equivamp's character, Isaac]]
* '''Trinity Allen''', or just '''Trinity''', is one of Equivamp's most ambiguous characters. One description of her history can be found [http://antilia-game.com/index.php?page=Forums.Topic:221 here], while another can be found [http://antilia-game.com/index.php?page=Forums.Topic:315 here], though there are several others that do not get written online or ever leave the confines of her head. What remains constant with Trinity is that she is a [[Folf]] (though originally she was a pure-bred [[wolf]]) that is seventy-five percent wolf, twenty-five percent [[fox]]. She is the daughter of the [[Wikipedia:Demigod|demigod]] Luna, though she often does not know it, or is not on good terms with her divine grandmother. She originates from '''Cerulea''', in a country nearly uninhabited, except by her family, which were once slaves to the necromancer Nenta. This civilization is an [[Wikipedia:Idealistic communism|idealistic communism]] with an [[Wikipedia:Economy|economy]] is based around [[Wikipedia:Performance art|Performance arts]]. She speaks both a heavily accented English and her own, unnamed language of Equivamp's creation. She is a dancer/singer, and tends to carry a large knife.
[[File:Funny Animal.jpg|left|thumb|Mona Ketra.]]
* '''Mona Ketra''', '''Master Ketra''', or just '''Mo''', is a funny animal [[fan-character]]. She is a brown [[housecat]] with grey patches over her eyes and a white [[tail]]-tip. Mona is a [[starwars:Jedi Master|Jedi Master]] and the [[Wikipedia:Amnesia|amnesiac]] [[starwars:Redeemed Sith|redeemed]] [[female]] [[starwars:Darth|Darth]] [[starwars:Darth Revan|Revan]].
*'''Kira''' is a [[transgendered]] (male to female) [[snow leopard]]. In order to speak out against her [[female]] body, she often wears no shirt.
*'''Yiffless Wolfie''' is a character created by Equivamp to post as a comment on images of [[yiff]] on sites where such material is not allowed.
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== Clarification ==
Equivamp's name is not to be confused with the [[fanfiction]] writer Equivamp, because she hates the Twilight Saga and would never write a [[fanfiction]], only a parody.

As well as being a furry, Equivamp considers herself [[Otherkin]], and is an advocate of peace between the two groups, acknowleding their seperateness and hoping other 'kin will not start a flame war based on the fact that she likes [[anthropomorphic]] [[animal]]s.

Equivamp does not, nor has she ever had, an account on [[Neopets]] by the name of ryleestempaccount, so if you see any articles that suggest so, remove it. It was added by her brother. Equivamp's [[username]] on Neopets is equivamp.

== Interests ==

* ''[[Star Wars]]'' (particularly ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic|Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic]]'', due to it's "[[starwars:Carth Onasi|Onasi]] factor". She has no problem admitting that she is a Carth Onasi [[fangirl]].)
* the ''[[Warrior Cats]]'' series
* The ''[[Redwall]]'' series
* ''[[The Secret of NIMH]]'', ''[[The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue]]'', and ''[[Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH]]''
* [[Disney]]'s ''[[Robin Hood]]''
* [[Wikipedia:Avatar (2009 film)|James Cameron's ''Avatar'']].
* 2-D [[Disney]]
* [[Robin Hood]]
* [[Warner Brothers]]
* [[wikipedia:Blood on the Dance Floor|Blood on the Dance Floor]]
* [[wikipedia:Three Doors Down|Three Doors Down]]
* [[wikipedia:Lady Gaga|Lady Gaga]]
* [[Atrocity Tourism]]
* [[wikipedia:Tennis|Tennis]]
* [[wikipedia:Soccer|Soccer]]
* [[Courage the Cowardly Dog]]
*[[wikipedia:Rock hound|Rockhounding]]
* [[Fanfiction]]

==External links==
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''Note: Whether or not the links below are updated is subect to change.''
* [http://equivampsnotebook.blogspot.com/ Equivamp]'s [[Blogspot]]
* [http://equivamp.sofurry.com/ Equivamp (previously Kila Brija) on SoFurry ] (no longer updated, chat purposes only)
* [http://antilia-game.com/index.php?page=Profile Kila on Antilia]
* [http://equivamp.deviantart.com/ Equivamp/Kila Brija on] [[DeviantART]]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/equivamp/ Equivamp] on [[FurAffinity]] (active for stories only)
* [http://furry4life.org/profile/Equivamp Equivamp] on [[Furry4Life]] (no longer updated)
* [http://equivamp.furspots.com/ Equivamp] on [[Furspots]]
* [http://id.furspots.com/EH87 Ifny Star] on Furspots
* [http://myfur.net/profile/Equivamp Kila Brija on] [[MyFur]]
* [http://furnation.com/profile/Equivamp Equivamp on] [[FurNation]]
* [http://www.artpiles.com/user/equivamp/ Equivamp] on [[ArtPiles]] (no longer updated)
* [http://fursonaonline.net/profile/Equivamp Equivamp] on [[FursonaOnline]]
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/equivampthefurry?feature=mhum Equivampthefurry] on [[YouTube]]
* [http://www.onasicat.wikia.com OnasiCatpedia, the Anthronasi Wiki]
* [http://kilaandalice.blogspot.com/ Kila Brija & Alice Lotus], a blog belonging to the pair.
* [http://shadowness.com/Equivamp Equivamp] on [[Shadowness]]
* [http://equivamp.dragonadopters.com Equivamp] on DragonAdopters
* [http://www.asexuality.org/en/index.php?/user/39126-equivamp/ Equivamp] on AVEN
* [http://avenchat.wikia.com/wiki/Equivamp Equivamp] on AVENchat Wiki
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Equivamp

2011-06-16T02:22:30Z

Xydexx: +ref Google catch of Equivamp's LJ profile showing her as a member of Burned Fur II. Need I say more?

User talk:Xydexx

2011-06-16T02:12:05Z

Xydexx: PS: What are ''you'' getting so butthurt about? It's ''just'' the internet, right?

Karl Jorgensen

2011-06-14T14:42:28Z

Xydexx: added RL photo

User:Xydexx

2011-06-14T12:21:50Z

Xydexx: /* UserBoxes */

== About Me ==

I'm just this weirdo on the internet with a silly inflatable lavender unicorn for an online avatar. My biggest claim to e-fame is that folks who say they don't take the internet seriously get incredibly bent out of shape over me.

It always amazes me how delusional my critics are; half of them think I want to turn the fandom into some sort of fetish wonderland, and the other half think I want to whitewash all the sex out of the fandom. It's mind-boggling.

Anyone who thinks I support "anything goes" policies needs their head examined.<ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4 Furry in the Media(was An Appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports conventions having a Media Liaison. (Apparently also the first time this was ever suggested.)</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ff45b210e347af19 Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is. (Was: Re: An appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports a "Newbie SIG", the predecessor to "So This Is Your First Con?" panels seen at conventions today.</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/8b0796c3f4038226?dmode=source A Furry Thing Happened...]'' – A 1998 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] recommends distributing press releases to the media</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ca931c6199c893f9?dmode=source A Million and One Ways]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports "distributing positive, accurate information about the fandom as far and wide as possible"</ref>

== How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur ==
<BLOCKQUOTE>"I'll probably regret asking this, but what's WikiFur's current policy (if any) for dealing with people who use WikiFur articles as a platform to make unsupported claims about things that have nothing at all to do with furry fandom in the first place?" —Xydexx, May 2009</BLOCKQUOTE>

Answer: It's not vandalism, it's a "content dispute."

I used to be weary of WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards, but then I realized nothing is going to be done to remedy them. These days I think WikiFur is akin to watching a TV network dedicated to running over watermelons on an expressway. It's so much easier to deal with and makes so much more sense if you look at it as entertainment instead of information.<ref>''[http://xydexx-squeakypony.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love.html How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur''] - November 4, 2010</ref>

== Food For The Saints That Are Quick To Judge Me ==
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Karl Jorgensen

2011-06-14T12:18:04Z

Xydexx:

User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx: /* Re: I Saw What You Did There */

User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx:

User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx: /* Re: I Saw What You Did There */

User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx: /* Re: I Saw What You Did There */

User talk:Xydexx

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Xydexx: /* Re: I Saw What You Did There */

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder <S>mental problems</S> a mental disorder], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as the result of:
::::::* Ensuring articles have accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::It's nice that WikiFur has better coverage of Furry fandom than Wikipedia does, but you're doing so in a way that makes WikiFur barely more reliable than Encyclopedia Dramatica, and if you don't think that reflects poorly on the credibility of yourself or the wiki, you are sorely mistaken. If you don't like me pointing out problems here or elsewhere, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''. 2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement. 3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported].
::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Just for your information, Xydexx, I have been on WikiFur far longer than I've been on ED, and I don't see why it was relevant to bring this up, nor the fact that I have "mental Problems". It isn't a problem, it's a disorder, and, again, is irrelevant. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:46, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I stand corrected. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:55, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The pattern we've seen over at least the last year is that soon after you get involved in any discussion over content, you take on a very abrasive, sarcastic approach in your discussion. That tends to be very offputting to others you should be trying to work with (that's a polite way of saying ''it pisses people off''). Didn't anyone ever teach you the old adage, ''you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar''? In spite of this, at one point I made an effort to see past the abrasive, sarcastic nature of your posts to look for any valid criticisms, got a noticeboard set up, and all I got from you in response was more complaints. You don't make it easy for others to work with you!
:::::::The most recent discussion on [[Talk:Inflation]] indicates you haven't changed much. Being civil, diplomatic, and assuming good faith are among the basic tenets of wikis. You say you're trying to make correct, factually based edits, but to quote another adage, ''it's not just what you say but how you say it''. Continuing to annoy other contributors in the manner you've been doing may be regarded as uncivil behavior that could be considered cause for blocking your access to the site if it continues. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:54, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Fair enough, but I think my approach would be a lot less abrasive and sarcastic if my requests for assistance didn't involve trying to navigate WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards and getting stonewalled; if I had confidence that the so-called "curators" would actual do something about problems when they were pointed out; if I thought WikiFur were trying to be a fact-based encyclopedia instead of a faith-based one (i.e., the standard for inclusion on WikiFur is not whether it's true, but whether you ''believe'' it's true); if you actually took ''other'' contributors to task for their abrasive, sarcastic approach instead of singling me out for it.
::::::::For what it's worth, I do appreciate that you got involved in the discussion. It's just a little mind-blowing that y'all thought a discussion was necessary to reach "consensus" instead of just dealing with it the same way you normally deal with ''people adding nonsense to WikiFur1''. It would have saved everyone a lot of trouble. Just my $0.02.
::::::::1 I suppose the discussion was necessary was because y'all thought '''a guy claiming inflatable-hating ninjas were secretly breaking into his house while he was asleep and engaging in clandestine shenanigans and then leaving without a trace was credible enough to be taken at face value.''' Clearly, any ''sarcasm'' I dealt out in response to this was ''undeserved'' and I should have tried harder to ''work'' with him. (The funny thing is, when I stopped arguing with him and tried to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Forum_talk:Popping_%28Under_revision%29&diff=prev&oldid=269259 help him expose the Russian Popper Mafia], I ended up getting banned for creating "hoax articles." Man, there's just no pleasing you guys!)
::::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:22, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: I Saw What You Did There ==

At first I didn't realize what you were talking about. Yes, I typed a few words into your ED page. No, I didn't go looking for it--I was looking through Category:Furries/People and saw a name I recognized.
I don't know why you seem to think I'm out to get you, or why you're so interested in my off-site exploits, but ED is a site for laughs. ''[[Lulz]]'', to be specific. Oh no, I used a site for its intended purpose! I must be a [[troll]] and a hater! [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
Afterthought: You thought I was an admin? I'm flattered. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 13:06, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lulz are not laughs. Lulz are what's left over after all the humor has been sucked out of a joke. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 10:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::Well, I suppose that is just your opinion, is it not? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:44, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, I'm certainly not alone in that opinion. And while you may think adding to an article about me on ''a site intended for recreational harassment'' is funny, it says a lot about what an apology from you is worth. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:04, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Xydexx

2011-06-10T14:39:27Z

Xydexx: /* Re: I Saw What You Did There */

User talk:Equivamp

2011-06-07T02:20:24Z

Xydexx: /* I Saw What You Did There */

Hello Equivamp, 
Please be aware that if things need shifting around, it should be done using the "Move" tab rather than by cutting and pasting. The problem with just cutting and pasting the old content into a new page is that the article's old edit history is lost, and we prefer to retain that.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 08:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

==Redirects==
Regarding your recommendations on [[Warrior Cats]] and [[Fangirl]], I've put those redirects in place. As a side note, you don't need to put it up for a vote. If you feel such redirects are warranted, by all means go ahead and put them in. Be Bold! --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 02:25, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
:I wouldn't know how....

==[[:File:Kung_fu_panda_promotional_poster.jpg]]==
Hello Equivamp,

This is in regards to [[:File:Kung_fu_panda_promotional_poster.jpg]]. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
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== Friend of Wolfee ==

I am a friend of Wolfee and if you need any help I am available too
:Well, they were questions involving the [[YouTube Furry War]]. If you have any information on that, I'd love to ask you some questions.

== Categories ==

Hi Equivamp,

I made those changes to Categories to follow our policy in what categories we put on: more precise rather than broad. [[Help:Categories]] has more details. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:14, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I saw that, but undid it and made similar changes. Don't know why I was in hybrid groups, so I removed myself from those instead(I'm not a hybrid) [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:47, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

I didn't actually know how to do the thumbnail thing. ^_^ [[User:Flynn|Flynn]]

== Referencing ==

Hello, GreenReaper, since you have not responded to my email, I am assuming that either it did not go through, or you did not notice it. However, you can disregard it now, as I am going to ask here: How do I add references to articles? Particularly, references to websites? --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

:I responded on the 19th to your email account on file, from the Hotmail address starting with my nickname. Perhaps you should check your bulk mail?

:Here is the relevant section of my reply:
<pre>
Basically:
* put '<ref>....whatever...</ref>' on the line that contains the information
backed up by the reference (typically after punctuation like full stops or
possibly commas)
* put '<references />' (or something like {{reflist|2}} ) where you want the
references to appear
* If you have something that is the reference for multiple things in
different areas of the article, use '<ref name="abc">...</ref>' the first
time, and just '<ref name="abc" />' the other times
* [Advanced] If you want two or more sets of references and footnotes, add '
group="whatever" ' inside the ref and references tags for that group.
</pre>
:More detailed help is available at [[Wikipedia:Help:Footnotes]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Citing sources#How to format and place citations]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:28, 4 May 2011 (EDT)

== Anyway? ==
Is there any reason why my edits were undone? Considering i look at the talk page saying i needed to trim or delete. considering there was a heck of a lot of links posted that i though were already posted on the article just wanted to trim it down to just the more important ones. --[[User:Tridragon|Tridragon]] 15:10, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
:My apologies. I did not realize this.

== Thank you! ==

Thank you for fixing the Category link on [[Twitter]]. I wasn't sure how to do that. --[[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:05, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
: Not a problem! It works like that for a lot of things, category links ([[:Category:Bat characters]]), media links ([[:File:Alexgrey.png]]), language links ([[:ru:WikiFur]]), etc. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 12:08, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

== Welcome reply ==

Hi Equivamp, and thanks for the welcome. There's now a little background on my [[user:Andy Dingley|user page]].

Unfortunately my other edits seem rather less welcome and they've already been blanked. Wow, and I thought Wikipedia was bitey! [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] 18:11, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

== I totally just realized... ==

That little sprite thing that appears when you hover your mouse over an "edit section" button...that's a norn, isn't it? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:07, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Yep! They followed me here from the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:08, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I figured as much. I wish I were awesome enough to play that game. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 01:09, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Image censorship vs. click-to-show ==

WikiFur is [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_censored_for_the_protection_of_minors|not censored for minors]]. I am personally open to the option of having certain images hidden by default, which I believe is implemented by the Russian WikiFur. I'll ask [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] about that. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

:Please do. It's one thing to read about such when it's encyclopedic material--it's another entirely to see it plastered onto pages. If I came here for porn, I'd search, well, anything on FurAffinity. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:35, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

== Scientific inaccuracies ==

Hello Equivamp,
First off I'd like to apologise for that ridiculous title and removal of information. I was somewhat enraged by the information displayed on the Dinosaur page, but am way too tired and busy to fully organise it for the next week or so. I'll very quickly outline a little bit about myself so you can see where I'm coming from. My name is Palaeofox and I'm a Palaeobiology and Evolution graduate from The University of Portsmouth, England (hence the English spelling of Palaeo and the numerous 's's instead of 'z's.). I'm just organising my PhD in Palaeontology, which I will spend the next three years completing... So, relative to the majority of the furry fandom, I know an aweful lot about the subject of Palaeontology, Geology, Mass Extinction Events, Diversification Events and general Evolution. Almost every line on that page is, to put it bluntly, wrong and I intend to correct it to prevent the spread of misinformation. {{unsigned|Palaeofox}}
:That's fine--that was my suggestion in the first place. I'm far too lazy to even read the dinosaur article myself and I wouldn't be any help anyway (all my knowledge comes from the Discovery Channel) so it would be wonderful to have it written by somebaosy that actually knows what he's talking about. However, simply removing the content is frowned upon, and your title would have been better placed on the talk page of the article. Also, remember to sign your posts on talk pages by tying four tildes (~). [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:22, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

== Features ==

The current structure of the front page requires that pages be created each week. The community may select and promote new featured content at any time - unfortunately, doing so does not appear to be high up on anyone's priority list (including my own). Part of the problem is that we have many adequate articles, but few examples of polished work. Preparing even one article for the front page can easily take an hour or two once you've sorted out all the issues. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Account control ==

Users are assumed to be responsible for all edits from their account. I suggest logging out and avoiding the storage of passwords if you do not control the computer that you are on. You might review your [[Special:Contributions/past contributions]] if you are concerned that it may have been used without your knowledge. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:51, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks. I'll catch it all eventually. I'll be sure to do that when I get to the computer I make most of my edits on. He shouldn't be making anymore edits from this account, I've made sure of that.

== What links here ==

Greetings, and thanks for your all of your contributions to WikiFur.

Whenever you change an article or a redirect to disambig page, as you did today with [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=ShadowFox&redirect=no ShadowFox], don't forget to check "What links here" (under toolbox in the left column) to see what other articles may be linking to it, and if necessary, update the links in those articles. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:53, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== I Saw What You Did There ==
Instigating trouble by making personal attacks on me offsite shows just how much an apology from you is worth, and does not reflect well on your ability as a Wikifur Admin. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:35, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:If you're talking about [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/index.php?title=Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=165857 this edit], it looks to me like an attack on WikiFur's other contributors, not you. (Particularly the few straight ones.)
:While Equivamp is not a [[WikiFur:Colleagues|WikiFur colleague]], I can understand why you might be shocked, ''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gf8NK1WAOc shocked]'' to find furries attacking others on ED.
:Let all editors with [[Wikipedia:Unclean hands|clean paws]] prepare their stones! As for the rest, please consider refraining from such edits. There's no need to resurrect the site. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:09, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Excuses, excuses. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:20, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Karl Jorgensen

2011-06-06T21:01:15Z

Xydexx: Replaced content with "Older discussions can be found here."

Older discussions can be found [[Talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]].

Talk:Karl Jorgensen/Archive

2011-06-06T21:00:09Z

Xydexx: Created page with 'Just a small question: isn't the quib about "playing one on the internet" a little redundant? After all, it does say it's the "character," and not the person. --[[User:Verix|Veri...'

Just a small question: isn't the quib about "playing one on the internet" a little redundant? After all, it does say it's the "character," and not the person. --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 04:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:The quote in parenthesis is pointing at a joke disclaimer Xydexx uses. He notes that he's only an inflatable unicorn on the Internet as a kind of poke at people who say furries all think they're XX creature in real life. - [[User:ToyDragon|ToyDragon]]

:It probably should be noted that contrary to popular rumor that I have no sense of humor (rumor being I traded it for some magic beans back in 2001), the fact that I roleplay a silly, squeaky, endlessly enthusiastic and optimistic inflatable unicorn online should be enough to contradict this. Indeed, oftentimes in the past I've noticed some have brought forth the criticism that I take everything way too seriously, usually in response to me not laughing at their lame attempts at humor. This should be a lesson to one and all of these would-be comedians: If you need to tell someone to laugh at your jokes, they probably aren't as funny as you think they are.

:I think part of the problem is that these folks simply cannot distinguish the difference between "laughing at someone" and "laughing at yourself". Perhaps a trip to their local library would be in order, if nothing else than to get these ne'er-do-wells off the internet and out of their parents' basements for a short while. I'd allow them access to my library, but I'm not sure they would understand my sense of humor and the resulting unusual take on the Dewey Decimal System, which allows me to take such liberties as filing William Zinsser's ''On Writing Well'' next to James Joyce's ''Finnegan's Wake'', or Katherine Gates' ''Deviant Desires'' next to ''Dr. Seuss' I Can Lick 30 Tigers Today''. Perhaps my sense of humor is just too subtle for their tastes. Maybe they don't know when the joke's on them.

:So in response to Verix's question, the answer may be that while I do distinguish between Xydexx the character and Xydexx the person, the character does in fact have many of the characteristics of the person (genuinely silly, flexible, a veritable workhorse, &c.) but it also could be said that the person is quite a character.

:In the interest of contrast, my younger brother Renfield isn't so much a character as an ''experience'', but that's another story for another time. I assure you he's harmless. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 05:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

::I feel compelled to add this tidbit of information: I can babble away at the rate of approximately 3000 words per minute. Indeed, this is a skill I have perfected over my many years of being a computer geek, from my early days when all I has was a TRS-80 Color Computer and a 300 baud modem I bought for $350 from a mail order company in Texas. But here I suppose I am dating myself, and that's kinda kinky when you think about it. Nowadays, technology has improved a lot, yet we still don't have anything to prevent me from dropping my oatmeal raisin cookie all over my keyboard like I just did, dammit. I see no mention in the article that I like oatmeal raisin cookies, or that I buy them while biking out to the hinterlands on my weirdo bike. Nevertheless, I think most would agree that my character is quite a character, although I still don't like being in the spotlight much as folks fancy me some sort of internet celebrity I assure you I am otherwise unremarkable. Let us give thanks for horses, they're all better than the rest of us. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

:::People probably wouldn't think you were dating yourself if you two didn't wear the same clothes. :-) As for [[cookie]]s, they're apparently not furry enough, although I [http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenreaper/2360079826/in/set-72157604238145411/ see signs] that this may be changing. Now, if it were [[Nutella]] . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Were I dating myself I certainly wouldn't wear the same clothes as my alter ego. It's bad enough [[Rigel]] and I do that and get mistaken for brothers more often than when we don't (which is to say we still do when we don't, but not as often, if you follow what I'm saying). What ''is'' it with people? We look ''nothing'' alike. Dating myself would also be problematic because we'd fight over who got to wear the inflatable rubber Xydexx costume, especially since it doesn't exist (I'd never leave the house!) yet. But I hardly leave the house these days anyway, what with Conbook Madness Month in full swing and all. I wrote a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colophon_(publishing) colophon] today. It's like a bananaphone, but for fonts and publishing information, and is not edible. Unlike a bananaphone, which if you found in a book would probably just be nasty. Whose idea was it to make a bananaphone, anyway? It's like that old joke on Sesame Street (back when I was young and crazy and used to watch such shows) where Ernie has a banana in his ear and can't hear Bert telling him he has a banana in his ear because [http://members.tripod.com/Tiny_Dancer/erniebanana.html he has a banana in his ear]—or perhaps is just on a very important phone call. [http://www.cellfoam.com/index.htm Visionary!] And this was years before Dr. Cat or Charlie the Unicorn were sticking bananas in their ears. It goes without saying that I like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFCSXr6qnv4 that video] because the unicorns are wearing scuba gear and appear to be inflatable, but also that if we had a mile of track for every disclaimer [[Felorin|Dr. Cat]] has posted to alt.fan.furry, we would have been able to build the first coast-to-coast furry railroad out of bananas. We should build such a railroad in honor of Dr. Cat and call it the "Funky Banana Railroad", so banana-worshipping weirdos like us can go sightseeing across the country. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 06:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

::::In the spirit of Dr. Cat's Disclaimers, I just stumbled across one of my own I once posted to Usenet before I sold my sense of humor for some magic beans, which I submit for your enlightment:

::::'''The Xydexx Standard Disclaimer:''' Xydexx does not want to eat puppies. Xydexx also does not want to staple his tongue to a moving bus, build a coffee table out of live weasels, or have a sea hare fetish. Xydexx has not built a full-scale model of the Eiffel Tower out of tinkertoys and rusty barbed wire yet. Xydexx does not have a Bright Red Mohawk, is not boycotting Mu Press, and has no family members in the band GWAR. Xydexx does not like to eat cole slaw. Xydexx has never been to Idaho, gone skydiving, worn Jello, gone skydiving in Idaho while wearing Jello, or projectile vomited for a distance of more than 100 feet. Xydexx is not Elvis. Xydexx does not plan on building a rocket and going to live on the planet Jupiter. Xydexx is not a turnip or any other easily-thrown objects. Xydexx does not think whitetail deer are ugly, and sees no reason to dress them up in ballerina outfits to make them cuter. Xydexx has never gargled mayonaisse in a bingo parlor full of kleptomaniacs, ridden a 4-person unicycle, or knitted a sweater out of Wilford Brimley's armpit hair. Xydexx isn't really a weirdo, except when he is. Xydexx is not made of cauliflower, doesn't worship cauliflower in his secret underground headquarters, and doesn't believe that angry cauliflower gods will devour the planet someday. Xydexx has never had a pet water buffalo, nor has he ever brought a pet water buffalo to a furry convention. Xydexx has not removed text here; you saw nothing. Xydexx has never seen the giant moles that allegedly live beneath the Disputed Terminology Squabbling Territory. Xydexx has never had a laboratory with a giant magnetic telescope that sends comets and stars crashing down Main Street so that the next day the local papers are emblazoned with the headline MAGNETIC TELESCOPE THREATENS CITY. Xydexx didn't steal Ivy the inflatable reindeer from Tyson's Corner Mall, or if he did he's just not admitting it. Xydexx has never dressed up as Joan Jett or Elvira. Xydexx doesn't think it would be a good idea to paint a room with marmalade if you ever get on the TV show Trading Spaces. Xydexx is not afraid of cows. Xydexx does not think everyone is always after his Lucky Charms. Xydexx usually wears pants in public, except when he's wearing shorts. Xydexx is not really an inflatable unicorn, he just plays one on the internet. Xydexx doesn't think ignoring problems solves anything. Xydexx knows most people are smart enough not to need a lengthy disclaimer explaining things he doesn't believe and hasn't done, because most people know he doesn't like wasting his time arguing with people over things he never said in the first place.

::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 03:08, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::By the way, it might be mentioned that I am responsible for the giant squid that comes with the latest Firefox update. Things haven't been the same since I sold my sense of humor for a sense of beans, in beany sensaround like that woman on the cover of 'Deviant Desires' covering herself in baked beans. And then I did disgusting things with the icing on the cake. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 02:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

::::Apropos of nothing I would also like to tell you a little story: Keith the Kangaroo and Wally the Wombat were best of friends. One day Wally the Wombat climbed into Keith the Kangaroo's pouch. Then a weird kid came by and stapled the pouch shut. Now Keith has to hop around with a dead wombat in his pouch forever and ever. The End. —I Love Happy Endings

::::Some people will, naturally, the issue with this story, calling it into question by saying male kangaroos don't have pouches and whatnot, or that wombats are burrowing creatures so Wally could have burrowed his way out of Keith's pouch. They don't realize that Keith was female, (much like Kim Mohan, the D&D guy, is male. And burrowing out of Keith's pouch would have been messy and gruesome, like the time Greenreaper ate too many carrots and exploded, so we can't have that. The bottom line is, don't blame me, I didn't write the story, I'm just passing it along. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 02:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== hey did you know he was mentioned extensively on encyclopeadia dramatica ==
::[[Image:XydexxTrumpCard.jpg|right|thumb|Xydexx's trading card]]
hey did you know he was mentioned extensively on encyclopeadia dramatica?

:They did indeed. I've always wanted one of those trading cards! I wouldn't trust the rest of their "coverage" further than I could shake an inflatable pony, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

::Here ya go.

::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Those demon foxes - always causing trouble! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

::::A friend of mine recently summed up why ED never was and never will be funny when he said: '''Lulz are what's left over when all the humor's been sucked out of a joke.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Style Issues ==

Have whatever style issues people have with this article been resolved? If so, we can probably remove the banner. If there are still outstanding issues, let me know. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

:Sine's comments from the edit summary were "Articles should be neutral and factual, without jokes, informal commentary or asides." I do not believe your edit addressed those, as it was mostly involved with adding material, and it was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Xydexx&action=history the only one since the tag was added]. I'll have a go. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

::That's terrific, but how come we never act, just sit watching as our world crumbles? I never claimed my edit addressed these issues. In fact, I intentionally didn't address them because I felt that was a task better suited to the individual who brought up the criticism to begin with. Since there had been [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Xydexx&diff=169554&oldid=169546 no further activity on it since November], I asked if these issues had been resolved. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, obviously they ''weren't'' resolved, because nothing had been done about it. ;-)
:::While anyone can spot a problem, the expectation is typically on the users actively editing the article to solve it, because they are usually the best able to deliver a solution that does not introduce further errors. For example, I might have accidentally removed real information that was phrased jokingly, not knowing that it was (in part) true, but you would not have done so.
:::Consider it a form of delegation. The user concerned may not have had the ability to solve the problem. They may also not have ''wished'' to do it, just as a programmer may be willing to spend five minutes to report a bug in another programmer's work, but not to spend half an hour fixing it - as on Wikipedia, some users specialize in watching [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] for issues, pointing them out, and then moving on to the newest edits. Or, they may just have been pressed for time, and meant to come back later, but never did.
:::An inability or unwillingness to immediately solve the problem does not mean they shouldn't point out the problem at all - it just means they don't get credit for solving it. Adding a tag is not a solution; but, like a talk page comment, it highlights a problem to others, and means that those who also see it may be more likely to try to solve it, rather than worrying that they're being picky.
:::If the regular editors of the page do not (or cannot) solve the problem, and do not get around to asking anyone else about it, it falls to anyone passing by who cares to lend a hand. This doesn't always happen in any given period of time, particularly for less well-traveled pages, but we are prepared to be patient - [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiNow on a wiki, there is always more time]. As it happens, you ''did'' get concerned with the cleanup tag being there and did something about it which resulted in appropriate edits to resolve the problem, so the system works. Eventually. It sometimes works faster at larger sites, because there are more people to get ticked off by a cleanup tag. :-)
:::(To put the "less well-traveled" comment in context: [[Xydexx]] is WikiFur's 740th most popular page, with 127 visits [70 unique] in the last 30 days, tied with [[Furnetics]], [[Misty the Mouse]], [[Rabbit Valley]], [[RainFurrest]], [[Rubberfur]], [[Template:Convention resources/Midwest FurFest|Midwest FurFest convention resources]] and - ironically - [[Help:Furry Book of Style|WikiFur's style guide]]. It is not ''un''popular, but if we're looking at readership there are other pages that editors probably should probably focus on, even disregarding the fact that most work mainly on their own interests.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, three cheers for cow tipping then. My main concern was the style issues, because I wouldn't want folks to think I didn't have any style. Nor did I want to appear gauche by adding more in-jokey information and once again raising the ire of the wikigods and have to sacrifice wild yams in order to appease them. I can at least take consolation in knowing I am the wikipage less-traveled because all the links leading to this page say "Here There Be Ponies" and everyone's been frightened away by my tales of my younger brother braiding his armpit hair like a demented [http://www.livejournal.com/interests.bml?int=braiding+armpit+hair Pippi Longstocking]. Thank you for the clarification. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 03:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't think anyone who sees the card on this page will have any questions about the level of style you possess. Same for myself and anyone who goes to [[GreenReaper]]. As for sacrifices, they tend to prefer cheesecake, or failing that, fresh carrots. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::I suppose your page has more style by virtue of your wardrobe, which consists of nothing but shades of green as far as I've seen. You probably have more green articles of clothing than I have purple ones. One would think someone of sunshiney disposition such as myself would have more brightly-colored clothing, but such is not the case. I think this is highly-important research, but everyone is crazy if you don't understand their motives. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Forum:Removing Admins Unfit For Duty?

2011-06-06T20:43:40Z

Xydexx: Chronic mismanagement of WikiFur continues. Film at 11.

<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' [[Forum:Index|Index]] > [[Forum:Help desk|Help desk]] > {{PAGENAME}}</div> 

[[Category:Help desk]]


I couldn't help but wonder if WikiFur has a policy on removing Admins who are unfit for duty...

Specifically, I'm referring to Spirou's claim that I'm creating "hoax pages" about "non-existent" furry groups. Considering your admonitions about assuming Good Faith, I'm curious whether he has any evidence to support any of that claim? It'd be a shame if he were making wild accusations at other editors, because some might consider that behavior unbecoming of a WikiFur Admin. That's a big no no, isn't it?

Also wondering if he might be abusing his Admin powers to enforce a version of [[Popping|the article]] more in line with his own opinions by locking it down and demanding consensus, but also locking down his talk page so it's impossible to get his input and assistance. His behavior doesn't seem particularly helpful to the editing process. I think most folks would agree his actions aren't particularly helpful to those of us who actually want WikiFur to be an encyclopedia of furry fandom.

I have a few suggestions to correct this, but thus far they seem to be ignored...

* If Spirou insists we edit articles, he shouldn’t neglect his duties as an Admin by refusing to review them.
* If Spirou is going to be part of the review process, he should unlock his Talk Page so editors are able to leave him messages as to the status of the article, rather than his previous standoffish and stonewalling behavior which is unfit for a WikiFur Admin
* If Spirou is unable to set aside his personal feelings and conduct himself as a neutral arbiter to resolve this dispute, he should either delegate this task to someone who can, or be removed as an Admin.

One last thing... I couldn't help noticing Spirou's latest donation to WikiFur mentioned in Recent Changes. I'd hate to think donating money to WikiFur affords Spirou some special privilege where he gets to enforce the rules, but isn't bound by them himself. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:45, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

:But seriously, what ''is'' WikiFur's official stance on admins who protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

:: In three words, "'''Fuck Off Troll'''". The long version is that admins a janitors, they are here to keep things running smoothly from a technical and policy perspective and ensure everything abides with those policies. Content disputes are very tricky and admins on any wiki don't always like to get involved, in most cases they don’t have the required knowledge about the topic to make a fully informed decision so they leave it to the editing community (us) to figure it out. At the end of the day something will stick. I don't think it is good practice for an admin to have his talk page protected, as their is an expectation that users should be able to contact you directly about issues. With that being said coming here with claims of being "unfit for duty" and requesting information about desysoping is not thinking in a forward manner, rather than trying to address the issue you just want heads because you're not getting your own way, so again, Fuck off. Personally I would have thought slapping Wolfkid23 and Xydexx with a 3 day block for edit warring would have been better than sysop protecting it as they are the only two engaging in an edit war. Xydexx, just because you don’t agree with an edit, doesn’t make it vandalism, I strongly suggest you disengage from that article as continuously tagging it (or its sections) as inappropriate when an admin has said otherwise or arbitral removing sections you don’t like '''is''' disruptive. I dont see any evidence that suggests Spirou has done anything that suggests he is breaking rules or not being neutral, maybe im not seeing something (links or diffs?) [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 19:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:::You're clearly not informed enough about the issue to comment about it, but the short version is that adding hoaxes and misinformation to WikiFur is vandalism, and Spirou did everything in his power to ensure it stayed for as long as possible rather than deal with it appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: If you are seriously trying to peddle something thats over 12 months old than you need to get a life, really. [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 06:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for your comments. I'll be sure to give them the attention they deserve. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 23:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Im sure you will, much like the admins are giving you and your thread the 'attention' it deserves (IE: none) [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 01:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Wikifur Has No Policy To Remove Abusive Admins ==

Apparently WikiFur does not have an official stance on admins who protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki. This makes sense, though, as some Admins are trolls themselves. Conflict of interest, anyone?

Sounds like some serious quality control issues going on at WikiFur. But we knew that.

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User talk:Equivamp

2011-06-06T20:35:54Z

Xydexx: What Is Wikifur's Policy On Removing Admins Unfit For Duty?

User:Xydexx

2011-05-26T21:32:06Z

Xydexx: /* How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur */ If I only knew then what I do now...

User talk:Xydexx

2011-05-26T21:22:53Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */ Any sarcasm in response to WikiFur admins believing in the Russian Popper Mafia is clearly uncalled for. My apologies.

User:Xydexx

2011-05-25T22:29:39Z

Xydexx: /* UserBoxes */

== About Me ==

I'm just this weirdo on the internet with a silly inflatable lavender unicorn for an online avatar. My biggest claim to e-fame is that folks who say they don't take the internet seriously get incredibly bent out of shape over me.

It always amazes me how delusional my critics are; half of them think I want to turn the fandom into some sort of fetish wonderland, and the other half think I want to whitewash all the sex out of the fandom. It's mind-boggling.

Anyone who thinks I support "anything goes" policies needs their head examined.<ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4 Furry in the Media(was An Appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports conventions having a Media Liaison. (Apparently also the first time this was ever suggested.)</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ff45b210e347af19 Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is. (Was: Re: An appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports a "Newbie SIG", the predecessor to "So This Is Your First Con?" panels seen at conventions today.</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/8b0796c3f4038226?dmode=source A Furry Thing Happened...]'' – A 1998 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] recommends distributing press releases to the media</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ca931c6199c893f9?dmode=source A Million and One Ways]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports "distributing positive, accurate information about the fandom as far and wide as possible"</ref>

== How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur ==
<BLOCKQUOTE>"I understand that WikiFur is not the place for a battle of ideologies. I also believe—and hope you agree—that it is not a place to rewrite history. To that end, I have only made edits to admittedly controversial subjects which are (to the best of my ability) based on actual facts and have the necessary references to support them." —Xydexx, 2008</BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to be weary of WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards, but then I realized nothing is going to be done to remedy them. These days I think WikiFur is akin to watching a TV network dedicated to running over watermelons on an expressway. It's so much easier to deal with and makes so much more sense if you look at it as entertainment instead of information.<ref>''[http://xydexx-squeakypony.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love.html How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur''] - November 4, 2010</ref>

== Food For The Saints That Are Quick To Judge Me ==
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User:Xydexx

2011-05-25T21:03:25Z

Xydexx: /* About Me */

== About Me ==

I'm just this weirdo on the internet with a silly inflatable lavender unicorn for an online avatar. My biggest claim to e-fame is that folks who say they don't take the internet seriously get incredibly bent out of shape over me.

It always amazes me how delusional my critics are; half of them think I want to turn the fandom into some sort of fetish wonderland, and the other half think I want to whitewash all the sex out of the fandom. It's mind-boggling.

Anyone who thinks I support "anything goes" policies needs their head examined.<ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4 Furry in the Media(was An Appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports conventions having a Media Liaison. (Apparently also the first time this was ever suggested.)</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ff45b210e347af19 Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is. (Was: Re: An appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports a "Newbie SIG", the predecessor to "So This Is Your First Con?" panels seen at conventions today.</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/8b0796c3f4038226?dmode=source A Furry Thing Happened...]'' – A 1998 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] recommends distributing press releases to the media</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ca931c6199c893f9?dmode=source A Million and One Ways]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports "distributing positive, accurate information about the fandom as far and wide as possible"</ref>

== How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur ==
<BLOCKQUOTE>"I understand that WikiFur is not the place for a battle of ideologies. I also believe—and hope you agree—that it is not a place to rewrite history. To that end, I have only made edits to admittedly controversial subjects which are (to the best of my ability) based on actual facts and have the necessary references to support them." —Xydexx, 2008</BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to be weary of WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards, but then I realized nothing is going to be done to remedy them. These days I think WikiFur is akin to watching a TV network dedicated to running over watermelons on an expressway. It's so much easier to deal with and makes so much more sense if you look at it as entertainment instead of information.<ref>''[http://xydexx-squeakypony.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love.html How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur''] - November 4, 2010</ref>

== Food For The Saints That Are Quick To Judge Me ==
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User talk:Xydexx

2011-05-25T20:55:36Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder <S>mental problems</S> a mental disorder], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as the result of:
::::::* Ensuring articles have accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::It's nice that WikiFur has better coverage of Furry fandom than Wikipedia does, but you're doing so in a way that makes WikiFur barely more reliable than Encyclopedia Dramatica, and if you don't think that reflects poorly on the credibility of yourself or the wiki, you are sorely mistaken. If you don't like me pointing out problems here or elsewhere, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''. 2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement. 3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported].
::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Just for your information, Xydexx, I have been on WikiFur far longer than I've been on ED, and I don't see why it was relevant to bring this up, nor the fact that I have "mental Problems". It isn't a problem, it's a disorder, and, again, is irrelevant. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:46, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I stand corrected. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:55, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

User:Xydexx

2011-05-25T20:49:49Z

Xydexx: /* How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur */

== About Me ==

I'm just this weirdo on the internet with a silly inflatable purple unicorn for an online avatar. My biggest claim to e-fame is that folks who say they don't take the internet seriously get incredibly bent out of shape over me.

It always amazes me how delusional my critics are; half of them think I want to turn the fandom into some sort of fetish wonderland, and the other half think I want to whitewash all the sex out of the fandom. It's mind-boggling.

Anyone who thinks I support "anything goes" policies needs their head examined.<ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4 Furry in the Media(was An Appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports conventions having a Media Liaison. (Apparently also the first time this was ever suggested.)</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ff45b210e347af19 Allright, I'll put my money where my mouth is. (Was: Re: An appeal to Mark Merlino)]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports a "Newbie SIG", the predecessor to "So This Is Your First Con?" panels seen at conventions today.</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/8b0796c3f4038226?dmode=source A Furry Thing Happened...]'' – A 1998 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] recommends distributing press releases to the media</ref><ref>''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/ca931c6199c893f9?dmode=source A Million and One Ways]'' – A 1997 AFF post where [[Xydexx]] supports "distributing positive, accurate information about the fandom as far and wide as possible"</ref>

== How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur ==
<BLOCKQUOTE>"I understand that WikiFur is not the place for a battle of ideologies. I also believe—and hope you agree—that it is not a place to rewrite history. To that end, I have only made edits to admittedly controversial subjects which are (to the best of my ability) based on actual facts and have the necessary references to support them." —Xydexx, 2008</BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to be weary of WikiFur's contradictory and mercurial standards, but then I realized nothing is going to be done to remedy them. These days I think WikiFur is akin to watching a TV network dedicated to running over watermelons on an expressway. It's so much easier to deal with and makes so much more sense if you look at it as entertainment instead of information.<ref>''[http://xydexx-squeakypony.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love.html How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love WikiFur''] - November 4, 2010</ref>

== Food For The Saints That Are Quick To Judge Me ==
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2011-05-25T20:18:39Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */ continuing where I left off...

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder mental problems], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as the result of:
::::::* Ensuring articles have accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::It's nice that WikiFur has better coverage of Furry fandom than Wikipedia does, but you're doing so in a way that makes WikiFur barely more reliable than Encyclopedia Dramatica, and if you don't think that reflects poorly on the credibility of yourself or the wiki, you are sorely mistaken. If you don't like me pointing out problems here or elsewhere, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''. 2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement. 3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported].
::::::—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Xydexx

2011-05-25T15:53:07Z

Xydexx:

Pre-2008 discussions can be found [[User_talk:Xydexx/Archive|here]]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Not the place for hoaxes/funny puns of non-existent groups. Enough already, grow up - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh ye of little assuming Good Faith! Nice to see you've returned from your unexplained hiatus. I was starting to think all the Admins at WikiFur were asleep at the wheel or something. I was wondering if you might finally get around to reviewing and unlocking [[Forum:Popping (Under revision)]], as I know this subject is ''vitally relevant'' to WikiFur and we need to tell ''all sides'' of the story. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:: For the record, I believe that Spirou may have jumped the gun a little. Xydexx has a record of otherwise positive contributions to this Wiki. Banning him over what appears to be a disagree on a couple of articles seems a little excessive at this point. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::: Oh, he has, plenty!. Great editor with vast knowledge of the fandom, which he has written a great deal about on the wiki. That's why it was so disconcerting to witness this "change" of personalty which degerated into this insulting, condensding, quasi troll like beavior. No amount of good deeds gives anyone a free pass to act as a jerk/vandal on the wiki [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::I concur. While positive contributions are welcome, they do not excuse [[meatball:SnipingCriticism|sniping criticism]]. It's not cool, here or anywhere. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:12, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, this never would have devolved into sniping criticism had the WikiFur Admins handled this properly back in <S>May</S> [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=248730 April]. I feel I have gone above and beyond in soliciting advice from the WikiFur Admins on how to appropriately handle this situation, only to be stonewalled and given contradictory instructions. I think after four months of this, my frustration is certainly understandable, as is my lack of confidence in the ability of the WikiFur Admin staff to handle this appropriately. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Just for the record, I noticed that site you referenced states "[http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WhatIsaTroll Trolls are often insane. They are created when the insane jump from one community to another looking for a home; after a while they become trained that they are only going to get attention if they attack.]" When I told you the guy had been kicked off two forums previously for using them as platforms for his insanity, you chose to make excuses for him rather than dealing with it.
:::::The funny thing is that y'all banned a longtime supporter and contributor to WikiFur for creating "hoaxes" and "non-existent groups" instead of taking action against the actual troll who was doing it. Good work! -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Spamming user talk==
Do you really think spamming the user talk pages of administrators is likely to get a positive response? Or setting deadlines which you have no power to enforce?

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the concept of a wiki - there is no "final resolution" on a continuously editable website, nor are editors who have remained uninvolved in a topic likely to get involved at your prompting. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:So nice to see your fine tradition of assuming Good Faith of WikiFur editors' actions is alive and well!
:I assure you I am once again abiding—to the best of my ability—'''WikiFur's mercurial and contradictory policies and procedures'''.
:I do not think '''requesting assistance from other Admins''' to resolve an outstanding issue is considered "spamming" at all, especially when ''Spirou himself suggested contacting other Admins to resolve it'' (because he apparently can't be bothered to, y'know, resolve the issue himself). If you have a problem with this, perhaps you should take it up with Spirou. He doesn't seem to be doing a very good job as an Admin by neglecting his duties.
:I also do not think '''requesting a speedy resolution''' to outstanding issues ''as a courtesy to WikiFur Admins'' (who seem all too eager to leave the issue unresolved as long as possible, and then have the temerity to complain that I'm "wasting their time" with it) is unreasonable. Certainly requesting Admins take action within a week is preferable to continuing to them stonewalling and dragging this on ''ad nauseum'' for months on end. Not that I have the power to enforce a request, but it doesn't really make you or WikiFur look good by ''ignoring perfectly reasonable requests for action'' and letting things drag on for months at a time.
:I think you're the one who misunderstands the concept of a wiki. For something to be continuously editable means it has to actually be ''editable'', not locked down by a negligent Admin who clearly can't be bothered to fulfill his duties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And that's why I unprotected the article. So go edit. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

==furryne.ws==
:''Conversation moved from [[Talk:Vivisector (website)#"A neutral and factual resource"]], since it isn't about that article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
(A reliable Furry news site would be nice too, since Flayrah's partnership with Burned Fur-owned Furryne.ws and nutball-owned Vivisector doesn't inspire confidence.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh Xydexx . . . you're so keen to see conspiracies. Alas, there is no mysterious "axis of drama" - no shadowy Burned Furs pulling the strings, no secret plans to destroy the fandom through misinformation. Let me lay it out for you:
:* Flayrah is ''in competition'' with furryne.ws - we want to acquire their audience, news exclusives, etc. We both seek to deliver news that furry fans want to hear about, but that's it. ([[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest FurFest]] are far more closely related, yet I'd hesitate to call them "partners".)
:* Flayrah links to sites that may be useful to our readers. I imagine furryne.ws does much the same. We are not "in partnership" with [[ArtSpots]], [[Dutchfurs.com|Dutchfurs]], the [[Furtean Times]], [[InFurNation]], {{lj-comm|furrymedia}} or [[alt.fan.furry]], either. As for Vivisector, our [http://www.flayrah.com/links#links5 own description] says it "claims to take the good with the bad, but inevitably focusses on the latter."
:* Flayrah may credit a source when a story has been published elsewhere, but this does not imply any special relationship – it's just good manners.
:If you don't like any of the current news options, I suggest you go to the trouble of making one yourself. Variety is the spice of life. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Oh Greenreaper... you really need to [http://www.furryne.ws/modules/banner01/images/flayrah.png start controlling Flayrah's branding better] if you expect to regain some of your lost credibility. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::: I said they shouldn't be doing that [http://furryne.ws/story.php?title=flayrah-closing#wholecomment1459 several months ago] - before I had control of Flayrah - and warned of consequences in the form of increased competition, which came to pass less than a month later. I don't tend to bluff. As for losing control of the tagline, [http://www.google.com/search?q='unusually+good+information' I'm not particularly worried]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, though, I'd say "partner" is an accurate description considering your blog Flayrah and Burned Fur owned and operated Furryne.ws are link partners and you're letting them use your logo and tagline. You're certainly ''cooperating'' with them—and their other partner Vivisector—an awful lot for someone who claims to be a "competitor."
:::: You are of course free to associate with whoever you like, but these days I'm starting to understand why you said some people trust Encyclopedia Dramatica more than Wikifur.
:::: And yes, I'm aware of your "love it or leave it" attitude toward criticism of your fiefdom here, that's certainly your right as well. And as a former supporter of Flayrah/Wikifur I'm sad to say you're probably the biggest reason it would be easier for someone to start a new Furry news site than try to improve sites like Flayrah/WikiFur.
:::: PS: Just saw your "It's not news, it's Flayrah!" comment on Furryne.ws. The irony is ''delicious''. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::: No, Xydexx. They ''took'' Flayrah's logo and tagline - several years ago. Even if I wanted to protect the past logo, I've no effective means of forcing them to remove it beyond a lawsuit, which would be stupid. (Perhaps I missed the part where AC sued the Steel City Diner back in '07 for their own far more profit-oriented infringement.)
::::: As your obsession with the [[Burned Furs]] . . . are you really claiming an organization that's been dead for a decade has relevance to anything? Innumerable websites and 38 separate conventions have been created since 2001. It's time to move on.
:::::The situation is very simple: furryne.ws provides information which some furs consider valuable; I feel it is useful to link to them as part of Flayrah's service, if only so that readers might come to us first. If you dislike that they have an audience, I suggest beating them at their own game rather than grouching about those who run it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::So let's see if I understand this correctly: Furryne.ws ''stole'' Flayrah's logo and tagline years ago, and since you couldn't force them to take it down, you ''linked to them'', because they're your ''competition''. Okay. I'm sure that makes perfect sense on whatever planet Norns are from. -=)
::::::Obsession's a pretty strong word to use considering I don't sit around all day thinking about Burned Fur. Obsession's a word I'd use with my passion for old maps or abandoned buildings, which I think about pretty much 24/7. Burned Fur ranks somewhere below... I dunno... something I don't think about very often and isn't worth the effort to research how often I don't think about it. That being said, pointing out your decision to associate with them is very relevant considering they're still around today. In case you've forgotten, they called themselves "Improved Anthro" now. AshMCairo is the self-appointed leader who took up the name, and last time I asked he told me Furryne.ws and Furry101 were Burned Fur projects.
::::::So here's the situation: You've deliberately chosen to use the former news site Flayrah to support a Burned Fur project. Add to that the puff piece you recently wrote about Vivisector (who, by ''amazing coincidence'', just happens to be a Furryne.ws link supporter!), it kinda shows my statement that I didn't think you were fit to run a furry news site was right on the money.
::::::I mean, seriously, what happened to you? There used to be a time when I could recommend links to WikiFur with confidence instead of regarding them as a necessary evil. It was an optimistic project that filled a need and I was happy to be a part of it. But after trying to trying to navigate your mercurial and contradictory standards last year, I finally gave up, and was actually surprised to discover I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
::::::It's nice that you're investing all this time and effort into supporting WikiFur and Flayrah and your newfound friendships over on Vivisector, but that's no excuse to be a jerk. You were, and maybe someday you'll realize you could have handled a lot of things differently.
::::::Maybe. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Dispute resolution ==

Since you seem to be on a crusade to highlight the shortcomings of the dispute resolution process on Wikifur, would you be willing to outline a process that you would consider both fair and workable? Assume for the sake of argument that if we like your idea enough, we might just make you an admin so you can help resolve other people's disputes.

By the way, it would not be my decision whether you would become an admin, but I can say with a pretty high level of confidence that you'd have to promise to stop making the kind of snarky, sarcastic updates such as many of those you've made today, and have done in the past. Once again, if you were an admin, how would you handle someone else who was doing that? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Webster's defines a crusade as "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm." While I'll agree this is a remedial enterprise, it's undetaken with the same level of zeal and enthusiasm I have dental work, so your characterization of my edits as a "crusade" is a bit misguided.
:I think a process I would consider fair and workable would be the one currently in place over on Wikipedia. That seems a hell of a lot better than the current practice (based on past performance) of allowing edit wars to carry on ''ad nauseum'' for six months by making editors try to reach consensus with people who are determined to add irrelevant and erroneous information to WikiFur and turn it into a battleground. I think assisting editors when they request help from Admins to roll back Vandalism instead of ignoring them would be a big plus as well. I'll give you credit, you finally got involved with the discussion four months later, but in my opinion that was four months overdue.
:I mean, looking at the facts of the situation in 20/20 hindsight, it's kinda hard to believe y'all still think I'm the bad guy in all of this: All I did was [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=252555 try to get assistance from Admins] to deal with a troll who was using a sockpuppet account to import irrelevant and—let's be honest here—''completely delusional'' arguments that had gotten him banned from two forums previously onto WikiFur. The fact that ''I'' ended up banned for opposing Vandalism instead of the guy who was actually doing it says a lot about y'all's priorities; it will be remembered as a high point in WikiFur history I'm sure.
:Everyone knows GreenReaper has a penchant for giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks, but you need to realize his ''laissez-faire'' attitude toward fact-checking is a serious detriment to WikiFur's credibility. You may think my recent updates are "snarky" and "sarcastic," but the bottom line is they are an accurate reflection of WikiFur's current policies and procedures.
:My updates in the past have involved rolling back Vandalism and correcting misinformation on a variety of controversial topics. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it (especially since, y'know, the Admins weren't). -:)
:That being said, I have no interest in being an Admin; thanks anyway. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:And I mean, seriously, I honestly don't get why WikiFur Admins are so dead set against having a dispute resolution process. I mean, call me crazy (lots of folks do), but I think rolling back Vandalism when someone points it out to you is preferable to having edit wars roll on for half a year while the powers that be do everything in their power to ''not'' resolve it, y'know? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 22:26, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be at MFF over the next few days and hope to get a chance to discuss with other admins what improvements may be needed with regard to resolving disputes, and it may take some time after that to implement whatever measures we may decide upon. We would appreciate it very much if you would hold off making any further attempts to provoke us during that time. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem. Just as long as we're clear that I'm just doing it to "provoke" y'all and not because, y'know, I support the concept of a Furry encyclopedia or something.
:::Heh. That's what I like about this place; always good for a laugh. -:P —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 00:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::[[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] has been created and may be used for resolving disputes (among other things). It's still experimental at this point, but it's a start. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
:::That's all well and good, but what remains to be seen is if WikiFur Admins will actually pay attention to requests for assistance instead of outright ignoring them as they've done in the past. I mean, seriously, if the Admins ignore requests for help on their talk pages, I'm not sure how making one central page where is going to change anything, except maybe make it more efficient to ignore them. I don't think the problem is with the method of reporting, but rather the inaction on the part of the Admins. Has there been any further progress on fessing up to WikiFur's negligence on this issue, or is it WikiFur policy to just [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=309425&oldid=309411 sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices]? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that the Admins and I are pretty much [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/WikiFur:Noticeboard the only ones who know] of the Noticeboard's existence, my suspicions are probably entirely justified. Good to know requests for assistance on WikiFur may be directed to the locked filing cabinet in the basement with the sign taped on it that says BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD. -:D —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Answer: [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=314367&oldid=314313 Sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices.] Because for all their talk about being an encyclopedia for the Furry community, working to build consensus, and asking the Admins for assistance, in practice it's not all that. Man, someone should set up a WikiFurLeaks website. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 07:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::Xydexx, you edit AC's conbook. Imagine how you'd feel if you were given a promising assistant who split their time between:
::*Adding subtle (and sometimes not-so-subtle) put-downs to the introduction for a guest with whom they shared a long-running animosity, then debating its accuracy with them
::*Padding their staff biography
::*Arguing with people on the forums in such a way that nobody really wants to be on their side ''even if'' the other guy's a loon
::*Grouching to you, the other staff, and anyone else who cared to listen about AC's process for dispute resolution
::I really do think you care, but it's hard for any of us to see ''any'' of your contributions in a positive light when [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=100&target=Xydexx all you've done lately is complain]. As for dispute resolution, I tried mediating the first time you got into a long and mostly pointless argument, and what happened? You got stuck right into another one. Nobody stepped in because they remembered the last one all too well. We're all volunteers, and admin rights do not come with a requirement to throw yourself into stressful situations. And so you got frustrated, and lashed out, and the situation deteriorated.
::A wiki is a bottom-up enterprise run through good deeds, not policy. If you want to see disputes arbitrated, don't go editing 'WikiFur talk:' pages; get out there and help arbitrate ''other'' people's disputes, and avoid starting your own. Even better, focus on content. Copyedit some [[Special:Random|random article]] on a topic that you ''don't'' hold a personal opinion on. Help a newbie format [[Special:Newpages|their first article]] in the house style. Polish an article on an obscure comic, write a blurb, and get it on the front page. Be a well-rounded contributor. And above all, if you get into a disagreement with someone, avoid picking at it until it becomes a month-old sore.
::If you spend the bulk of your time and effort writing WikiFur, rather than arguing about how WikiFur ''should'' be written, I guarantee everyone will be a lot happier - including you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I'd be careful with trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Loves To Start Arguments, especially considering ''my'' position in the last big argument I was in was that '''[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Popping&diff=prev&oldid=263881 it didn't belong here],''' and ''yours'' was that it was "interesting" and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Popping&diff=253532&oldid=252559 "appropriate"]. IMHO, there wouldn't have been an umpty-frump month argument had you actually followed your stated goals of running an encyclopedia for the Furry community and put the kibosh on that. Instead, the powers that be decided it was somehow relevant and thus was a "content dispute" and the best way to deal with it was to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflatables.yiff&diff=prev&oldid=265102 try to reach "consensus"] with [[User:Wolfkid23|someone who was trolling at best and in need of psychiatric help at worst]].
:::Hate to break it to ya, but part of the responsibilities of running a wiki ''is'' managing your userbase and '''getting involved when problems arise instead of ignoring them.''' Is that stressful? Of course it is. Boo-fucking-hoo! Admin rights don't come with a requirement for the job to be easy. Man up and learn to delegate, or step down and give the job to someone who can actually do it.
:::Not that I'm applying for the job, even though I have a consistent history of solid, ''fact-based'' edits to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Burned_Furs&diff=prev&oldid=210952 controversial topics] (as well as [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Darker_the_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=211146 rolling back vandalism]). I think the best use of my skills is by editing articles I know something about, rather than ones that I don't. Sorry to hear that correcting misinformation and rolling back vandalism aren't considered "positive" contributions here on WikiFur. Because if they were, I guarantee you we wouldn't be having a discussion about how WikiFur ''should'' be run.
:::But let's put the shoe on the other foot. Say you're an ''editor'' on WikiFur. You support the idea of an encyclopedia about Furry fandom. One day, you find dubious edits about a topic unrelated to Furry fandom, which sound an awful lot like trolling attempts that were made on two other forums you frequent. So you give a helpful heads-up to the powers that be, because they're running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom, and you don't want to get into an edit war.
:::But then the WikiFur admin tells you this unrelated topic somehow ''belongs'' on WikiFur... because what harm could it do, right? It's "interesting" and you need to Assume Good Faith about the guy making the dubious edits... even though ''he admits he's using sockpuppet account''.
:::So then you start requesting evidence for the dubious claims, figuring the admin wouldn't allow a bunch of unreferenced accusations to stand. Just as you suspected, the references presented are just the trolling attempts from the other forums you frequent. But when you point this out, the admin tells you they have an obligation to tell all sides of the story. "But it's not true!" you say. And the admin tells you it doesn't matter whether it's true or not, just that they ''believe'' it's true is sufficient.
:::You keep debunking the dubious claims with facts, getting sucked into an edit war that would have been totally avoidable if the admins had just banned the guy like the two previous forums he was kicked off of had done. You try to get assistance from an admin, but they just [[Forum:Removing_Admins_Unfit_For_Duty%3F|lock down a version of the article with the dubious claims and tell you to work it out]] with [[Special:Contributions/Wolfkid23|the guy spouting increasingly paranoid conspiracy theories about everyone and everything]].
:::Eventually the admin you're dealing with gets tired of dealing (or ''not'' dealing, as the case may be) with the edit war and tells you to get another admin to deal with it. You send out a blanket request to all the admins, hoping someone—anyone—will have enough common sense to be able to handle this reasonably. Instead, you get accused of "spamming" the admins, told they'll take care of it in their own sweet time, and if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
:::And this goes on for days. Weeks. [[Forum:How_Long_Does_It_Take_For_Admins_To_Take_Action%3F|''Months.'']] And though it's frustrating, you eventually learn you're [http://xydexx.livejournal.com/718797.html not the only one who feels that way] about how things are run. And so you wonder, in what universe do wiki admins ''protect trolls who are vandalizing the wiki'' and expect to have any credibility whatsoever?
:::Would you feel this is a wiki that you really ''want'' to contribute to? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
===Proposed Policy===
There's a proposed [[Wikifur:dispute resolution]] policy up now. Since it's apparent that this is an issue near and dear to you, I'd be very interested in seeing your thoughts and input on it. I agreed with you that Wikipedia's policy was probably as good a place as any to start, so that's basically what it is at this time. Naturally, Wikifur being smaller than Wikipedia, there will need to be adjustments and so on, which is where I think you could help, you having been here much longer than me. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

==Inappropriate for WikiFur==
''Discussion moved from [[Talk:Inflation#Inappropriate for WikiFur]]'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflation&oldid=328029 first post] suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Every time you come here, you manage to get into an argument. With your old antagonists from [[alt.fan.furry|a.f.f]]. With me. With other contributors. Now with a teenage girl - who as far as I can see was trying very hard to deal with you reasonably, until you became unreasonable. Time and time again, you have [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALooner&action=historysubmit&diff=328027&oldid=116675 gone out of your way] to remind us of past disagreements; using talk pages not to talk about articles, but to [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vivisector_%28website%29&diff=prev&oldid=291452 criticize WikiFur] and its lead editors. You took your cause outside the wiki, to the ''Furtean Times'', ''[http://www.flayrah.com/3402/flayrah-marks-decade-furry-news#comment-43586 Flayrah]'' and other locations.
:::::Understand that it is not your opinions that are objectionable, or your content edits, but your conduct - the way you seek out opportunities for criticism during unrelated discussions, to the extent that it appears to be the primary motivation for your involvement. It's not enough to focus on the topic at hand; you have to twist the conversation towards how we are Doing It Wrong - or worse, how we Did It Wrong several years ago. (I'm not even sure what you hope to achieve by that; I can't turn back the clock and change what happened while we were preoccupied with [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|moving off Wikia]].)
:::::You said we need to get more involved in managing the userbase when problems arise. Fine. How do we deal with a user whose participation in a discussion routinely results in disruption; who seeks to dissuade editors from working on the project and discredit its leader; and who appears to seek out arguments over building consensus with other editors? Ignore them? Admonish them, yet again? Restrict their editing? Show them the door? If it your goal is to force us to implement arbitration by making this the test case, you may achieve it, but I don't see a happy ending here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:19, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Every time I come here, I make '''solid, fact-based edits''' which lead to arguments with people who aren't.
::::::This time around, I got into an "argument"1 with [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Special:Contributions/Equivamp someone on ED] who has [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder mental problems], who called me a "belligerent ass" despite WikiFur's alleged prohibition on personal attacks, and who you have chosen to blame me for being "unreasonable" instead of saying even a single word to her about behaving inappropriately.
::::::Before that, I got in an argument with someone who was using a sockpuppet account, who had gotten kicked off no less than two inflatable forums prior to bringing his crusade here, claimed (but had no evidence!) that a KGB-funded secret cadre of ninjas was sneaking into his home while he was asleep/away and damaging his inflatable collection2, and despite my warnings that he was disrupting WikiFur with arguments that had nothing to do with Furry fandom and repeated (and repeatedly ignored) requests for assistance from the Admins, you said we needed to reach ''consensus'' with him and his rampant fucknuttery instead of dealing with him the same way you'd deal with any other type of Vandalism.
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with Some Guy Who Used To Be A Big Name who had a longtime grudge (and a personal webpage slamming me to prove it) who was trying to whitewash information about his less-than-gracious departure from the fandom, who made a lot of personal attacks against me, and who for his own self-aggrandizement tried to claim that improved media controls/PR awareness were changes he was calling for all along (yet could never come up with even a single reference to back this claim up, despite repeated requests for such3).
::::::Before that, I got into an argument with a Burned Fur diehard who was removing historically-accurate and referenced material about the group's embarrassing few years of activity, who was replacing them with so many inaccuracies and errors it was hard to keep count of them all.
::::::Pretty much all the arguments I've gotten into on WikiFur can be summed up as:
::::::* Ensuring articles accurate, sourced, fandom-related information
::::::* Removing inaccurate, unreferenced, non-fandom-related information
::::::In other words, I get into arguments because '''I don't believe "building consensus" with other editors means allowing them to make shit up.''' If someone says "2+2=4" and someone else says "2+2=6" it doesn't mean "2+2=5". This, admittedly, is where we disagree. You think requiring facts on WikiFur is "authoritarian." (I think the word you're looking for is "authoritative.") I think Furry fandom deserves a reliable reference resource; it's much needed. However, you've demonstrated time and again by giving soapboxes and megaphones to kooks that you're not up to the task (and honestly, nothing illustrates this better than the way you (mis)handled the whole Wolfkid23/Dr.AgonRawg incident).
::::::I think you should definitely take action when userbase problems arise. The interesting thing is that instead of the users who make personal attacks, add paranoid conspiracy theories, whitewash embarrassing information, and add wholesale inaccuracies to WikiFur, '''you think the guy who "disrupts" WikiFur by ensuring it has accurate information about the fandom is the problem.'''
::::::Seriously, Laurence, ''what's wrong with you?''
::::::Again, if you don't like me pointing out problems, perhaps you should do something to fix them instead of just sweeping them under the rug.
::::::1 Assuming you can even call it an argument. It takes two to tango, and I thought I did a pretty good job of staying cool and not stooping to her level by calling her names in return. I'd say I handled that pretty well, especially considering the Admins ''weren't''.
::::::2 Whether he was just trolling or has genuine psychological issues is irrelevant; the fact that it took you six months to do anything about it is a colossal example of mismanagement.
::::::3 There are, ironically, [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Xydexx#Food_For_The_Saints_That_Are_Quick_To_Judge_Me plenty of references saying they were changes ''I'' supported]. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

All right, Xydexx, just gonna go ahead and apologize for my "personal attack" on you. While I don't feel it was an ''attack'' by my definition of the word, it was uncalled for. I wasn't in the best of moods for personal reasons, but that is no excuse, and I'm sorry. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 11:49, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:No worries, and I'm sorry if I did anything to provoke you. Apology accepted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 11:53, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

Karl Jorgensen

2011-05-25T02:05:29Z

Xydexx:

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T01:43:00Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Again, since you [http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/guns-in-the-home-lots-of-risk-ambiguity.ars apparently didn't read it the first time]: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::I read it. But covering topics which a relatively small number of furry fans are interested in isn't an issue either, as long as our editors feel it has not reached the point of irrelevance, and is not covered elsewhere. Limited use of WikiFur's resources for non-furry wiki projects by furries within their user space is also not an issue. The issue is that ''you do not think this is how WikiFur should be''. This is not something that I can fix. Now, there is nothing wrong with the idea of a strictly furry-based encyclopedia, run in a more authoritative manner. It is just not what we are trying to do. I suggest you do what the founders of [[Wikipedia:Citizendium|Citizendium]], [[Wikipedia:Scholarpedia|Scholarpedia]] and [[Wikipedia:Conservapedia|Conservapedia]] did, and create your own project, which you can run in the manner of your choosing. Should you wish to use them, our [http://dumps.wikifur.com/ article dumps] are freely available under [[WikiFur:Copyrights|CC-BY-SA]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I'm already familiar with your "love it or leave it" policy, thanks. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Would be fine, but note that [[Wikipedia:Penis|Wikipedia has one already]]. Furry specifics could be covered, otherwise it would be better to improve Wikipedia's article (which already has extensive coverage of animal penis). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::I betcha they don't mention anything about norn cock. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Probably not; that topic would be most appropriate for the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]] (but read [[Creatures:Kiss-pop|kiss-pop]] to understand why it might not apply). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Ew. Norn cooties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xydexx&diff=prev&oldid=314567 previous admonition] against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T01:36:19Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Again, since you [http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/guns-in-the-home-lots-of-risk-ambiguity.ars apparently didn't read it the first time]: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::I read it. But covering topics which a relatively small number of furry fans are interested in isn't an issue either, as long as our editors feel it has not reached the point of irrelevance, and is not covered elsewhere. Limited use of WikiFur's resources for non-furry wiki projects by furries within their user space is also not an issue. The issue is that ''you do not think this is how WikiFur should be''. This is not something that I can fix. Now, there is nothing wrong with the idea of a strictly furry-based encyclopedia, run in a more authoritative manner. It is just not what we are trying to do. I suggest you do what the founders of [[Wikipedia:Citizendium|Citizendium]], [[Wikipedia:Scholarpedia|Scholarpedia]] and [[Wikipedia:Conservapedia|Conservapedia]] did, and create your own project, which you can run in the manner of your choosing. Should you wish to use them, our [http://dumps.wikifur.com/ article dumps] are freely available under [[WikiFur:Copyrights|CC-BY-SA]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I'm already familiar with your "love it or leave it" policy, thanks. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Would be fine, but note that [[Wikipedia:Penis|Wikipedia has one already]]. Furry specifics could be covered, otherwise it would be better to improve Wikipedia's article (which already has extensive coverage of animal penis). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::I betcha they don't mention anything about norn cock. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Probably not; that topic would be most appropriate for the [[Creatures:|Creatures Wiki]] (but read [[Creatures:Kiss-pop|kiss-pop]] to understand why it might not apply). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Ew. Norn cooties. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::And FWIW, I'll remind you of my previous admonition against trying to portray me as Big Bad Xydexx Who Just Likes To Start Arguments. [[WikiFur:AGF|It doesn't make you look good]], especially considering the last big argument I got into here was trying to ''avoid'' a pointless six-month edit war. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:44:05Z

Xydexx: Is extensive coverage of animal penis inappropriate for WikiFur?

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Again, since you [http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/guns-in-the-home-lots-of-risk-ambiguity.ars apparently didn't read it the first time]: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Would be fine, but note that [[Wikipedia:Penis|Wikipedia has one already]]. Furry specifics could be covered, otherwise it would be better to improve Wikipedia's article (which already has extensive coverage of animal penis). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::I betcha they don't mention anything about norn cock. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:37:36Z

Xydexx: bananas

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Again, since you [http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/guns-in-the-home-lots-of-risk-ambiguity.ars apparently didn't read it the first time]: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Would be fine, but note that [[Wikipedia:Penis|Wikipedia has one already]]. Furry specifics could be covered, otherwise it would be better to improve Wikipedia's article (which already has extensive coverage of animal penis). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:36:56Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Again, since you [http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/04/guns-in-the-home-lots-of-risk-ambiguity.ars apparently didn't read it the first time]: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:36, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Would be fine, but note that [[Wikipedia:Penis|Wikipedia has one already]]. Furry specifics could be covered, otherwise it would be better to improve Wikipedia's article (which already has extensive coverage of animal penis). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:28, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:15:42Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */ WikiFur is not censored for Minecraft.

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Nobody? I think inflation is relevant, judging by the evidence available, as does Alexander Grey. Yes, how many people must be interested is always going to be a judgment call; I know one fur expressed interest in the Lifecycle of Highway Signage when you talked about it on your LiveJournal. Fortunately the creation of your own wiki projects is permitted under [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not a free host or webspace provider|current policy]]: "...we do encourage use of WikiFur by furries for collaborative wiki projects, though preferably they would be related to the furry fandom in some way. You should create such projects in subpages of your User: namespace." I would note that someone has already started a [[wikia:highwayigns:|Highway Signs wiki]] which you might consider appropriating instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::BTW, it's kinda funny to watch you claim that hits for a particular search term on FA prove there are "furry-specific aspects", and then out of the other side of your mouth claim other search terms with more results don't.
:::Hey, there there 84,173 results for [[cock]], and the results are ''undeniably'' furry-specific.
:::Someone should write an article about that. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:15, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:02:10Z

Xydexx: Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::OTOH, according to your own (selectively-enforced, apparently) policies: "[[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_a_free_host_or_webspace_provider|If you are interested in using the wiki technology for a significant collaborative effort on something non-furry, there are many sites that provide wiki hosting (free or for money)."]] So I guess the amount of resources you're willing to devote to hosting non-Furry stuff here is simply a matter of your own mercurial and contradictory standards.
::::::But I already that. -;) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-25T00:01:03Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::OTOH, according to your own (selectively-enforced, apparently) policies: "[[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_a_free_host_or_webspace_provider|If you are interested in using the wiki technology for a significant collaborative effort on something non-furry, there are many sites that provide wiki hosting (free or for money)."]] So I guess the amount of resources you're willing to devote to hosting non-Furry stuff here is simply a matter of your own mercurial and contradictory standards.
::::::But I already that. -;) &mdash[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 20:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-24T23:40:09Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it."—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::But since, in your words, "WikiFur explicitly includes 'things furry fans find interesting'", there'd be nothing with creating such an article, because if at least one person cares about it you can't claim nobody cares about it, and by your own admittance it isn't wasting any resources. Neato. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:40, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-24T23:31:00Z

Xydexx: Bickety-bam!

== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looner|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-24T23:30:24Z

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== Inappropriate for WikiFur ==

Huge clinical article is the end result of war of attrition with the Admins. Whether WikiFur should be an encyclopedia for the inflatophile community is up to the users (well, not really... but it's the thought that counts). —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 13:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. The article is still quite relevant, as WikiFur has articles for [[Vorarephilia|several]] [[Fat furs|different]] [[Hypertrophilia|fetishes]], none of which are specific to the furry fandom. I do agree that the article could use work though, at the moment it is quite long and ''too'' detailed in some areas. Is the talk of "existentialism" or the difference between bursting and popping really relevant or useful? {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 13:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::There are already articles for [[inflatophilia]] and [[balloonies]] which cover the fandom-related aspects fetish adequately, so why is another necessary? My position is that the article has a lot of extraneous and unnecessary information. Are you running an encyclopedia about Furry fandom or inflatophilia? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Balloonies aren't necessarily the same as inflatable furs in general (I'm into inflation, but aren't a balloonie). As for the inflatiophilia article, thanks for pointing it out, we outta merge that and this article together. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:43, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'm thinking there should be a merge here; there seems to be a significant overlap and no clear direction on where the content should go. I'm not decided on where we should merge from and too though. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 14:55, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:FA has 20,000 hits for "inflation", and it is a topic which has a clear following within the fandom. However, the article is too narrowly focused on air-based inflation. Semen and liquid forms of food are also popular (potential linking with [[lipophilia]]?). I suspect the language could be tightened, too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Oh, okay.
::So since FA has 3,000 hits for "Minecraft", it also [[Darn Blimps|has a clear following]] and [[Minecraft|deserves its own article on WikiFur as well]]. Gotcha. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:41, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::PS: FA only has 313 for "wikifur", but I think at this point the "If It Has A Lot Of Hits On FurAffinity It Belongs On WikiFur" argument has been pretty much shot full of holes. (Ooh, popping!) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:16, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::It may well do, we also cover topics that have a large furry usage ([[Twitter]], [[Facebook]], et al.) There are plenty of furry Minecraftians out there; [[F-list]] has a Minecraft server, the [[Pressurised Squeaky Inflationists]] have a Minecraft server, and [[Darn Blimps|I have a Minecraft server]] (although you're on it, so I guess you know about that one!) {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 14:47, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Keep in mind I'm not arguing against covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them, but the fact that having a large Furry usage doesn't warrant covering every bit of minutia on a topic. Having an article on Minecraft to point out fandom-related activity, for example, doesn't mean we therefore need articles on pickaxes and iron ore and mine carts because Furry fandom is about Minecraft. That's the difference between running a wiki about Furry fandom and running a wiki about "things Furry fans find interesting." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:57, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::WikiFur [[WikiFur:About|explicitly serves both audiences]]: "if it's related in any way to furry community or culture, chances are it's worth mentioning on WikiFur". Once we can justify some coverage, there's little cost in allowing editors to cover it comprehensively if they choose to - they volunteer their time of their own free will, and we [[metawikipedia:Wiki is not paper|aren't going to run out of server resources]]. Our main concern is whether someone else - usually Wikipedia - is doing it ''better'', in which case we should point to them to better serve our readers. If there was an active inflation wiki, we might merge the article there and merely cover the furry-specific aspects . . . but there isn't, so we haven't. There's an argument for excluding topics which nobody else cares about, but that's not the case here; the article has been viewed over 7,000 times in the past year. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Again: '''The issue isn't with covering topics that have a large Furry usage and the fandom's relation to them.''' WikiFur has a history of including things totally unrelated to the fandom that nobody cares about. The fact that there isn't an active inflation wiki is a pretty weak excuse for [[looners|allowing WikiFur to become one by default]]. There's no wiki for the Lifecycle of Highway Signage either; that doesn't mean WikiFur should try to be one "just because nobody else is doing it." —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:30, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::There's a big difference between 20,000 and 3,000, Xydexx. Though I think this should be merged with, say, [[Balloonie]], or vice versa. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I forgot to mention, [[FurNation]] has a Minecraft server. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:50, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Oh, okay.
::::I notice FA has 75,000 hits for "[[water]]", making it more than three times as popular as "inflation." The fact that WikiFur [[water|does not yet have an article on this life-giving substance]] (yet!) is just an oversight I'm sure. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Well, there is something (I believe it is a fetish, I'm not sure) called [[watersports]], so maybe we ''should'' have one. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, "watersports" only has 3,000 hits on FA, and you seemed to suggest above that wasn't enough to warrant an article about a topic. Please correct me if I'm mistaken... —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say I wanted a page on that created, and I'm not going to search for something which I believe is a fetish simply to prove a point. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 15:09, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Hey, no problem. OTOH, "[[photoshop]]" (70,000 hits), "[[school]]" (68,000 hits), and "[[balls]]" (34,000 hits) are all topics which ought to have articles according to GreenReaper's standard of inclusion. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:11, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::And "[[paper]]" (63,000 hits)! WHY IS THERE NO ARTICLE ABOUT PAPER ON WIKIFUR? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::So since FA's users talk about [[anything]] (107,793 hits) and [[everything]] (69,955 hits), I guess whether it's popular in the fandom is irrelevant to whether it should have a WikiFur article. Perhaps I've finally found a home for my much-anticipated article on the [[Lifecycle of Highway Signage]]. Huzzah! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::The search results on FA for "inflation" tend to return works related to the topic of inflation. Those for paper tend not to. Those for water appear to be related to inflation (perhaps it should redirect here . . .). We do not aim to duplicate Wikipedia, which adequately covers [[Wikipedia:Water|water]], [[Wikipedia:Watersports|watersports]], [[Wikipedia:paper|paper]], [[Wikipedia:School|school]] and [[Wikipedia:Minecraft|Minecraft]] - unless there are furry-specific aspects, in which case those should be covered on WikiFur (this would be appropriate for [[Minecraft]]; readers might be interested in furry-specific servers). For "inflation" - as covered here - Wikipedia merely gives a one-line definition of "The act of inflating an [[Wikipedia:Inflatable|inflatable]]". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I think paper is very important; just ask any artist who uses it instead of digital media. We can discuss the nuances of different paper weights and colors, how paper is made, how much fits into a nornhole, and so on. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
: '''Merge''' with [[inflatophilia]], not delete. (I recommend "Inflation" title since it isn't always sexual.) I see a lot of inflation furry art without trying to find is specifically. It's a notable trend that is connected to [[fatfur]]s and [[transformation]]. I also support that [[balloonies]] seem to be notable on their own. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:33, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:: '''Support''' for merge. {{:User:AlexanderGrey/sig}} 16:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:All right, Xydexx, as you've made it quite apparent that you're going to be a belligerent ass about this, I'm going to once again point out my original post for my opinion on the matter, and hope that this gets better. Good luck with your efforts to "ttly pwn" us with your ability to search random things on FA. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 16:38, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::Equivamp,
::[[WF:NPA|'''There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors or community members. Do not make them.''']]
::Maybe you need a time out? Go outside. Take a walk. Get some fresh air. You seem to be getting awfully worked up over this. Hope you feel better! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:06, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, my! Totally pwnt again! Is that not what I just said I was doing? Read carefully. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:13, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Arrrr u mad because "equivamp" only has 8 hits on FurAffinity? —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Dang it, you got me. Even though that account is inactive. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 17:46, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Well, that's a shame. Hey, you post a lot for being outside. You must have one of those fancy internet phones or something. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:58, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Your first post suggests that you came here looking for an argument with the [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curators]]. What you got is a response from a ''regular'' contributor who quickly tired of your adversarial attitude. WikiFur's discussion pages are not a courtroom or political debate where your goal is to discredit and/or humiliate your opponent - we are colleagues, working together towards a mutually-agreed solution. Looking to "score points" on your fellows only hurts your cause. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Thank you for sharing ''your opinion''.
::::I believe my first post is an accurate summary of the months-long inaction and poor decisions made by the Admins that explains in a nutshell why this article is the way it is. I don't think the problem here is my "adversarial" attitude, but rather your inability to properly run an encyclopedia about Furry fandom.
::::I'm not looking to "score points" or "humiliate" anyone. If you find your previous mismanagement of the wiki so embarrassing, perhaps you'd do better to remedy those problems instead of trying to discredit and humiliate the people who point them out.
::::(By the way, your words would probably carry more weight if you actually practiced what you preached and did your job as so-called "curator" by taking Equivamp to task for her personal attacks instead of, y'know, ''making excuses for them''. Gee.) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 18:52, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Inflation

2011-05-24T22:52:33Z

Xydexx: /* Inappropriate for WikiFur */