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Talk:Endless Round MUCK

2006-07-24T00:34:26Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

Oh boy. Controversy? I wouldn't know where to start /or/ end. =P What about how the headwiz banned members from the MUCK and forum after they expressed their dislike for the way he handled matters? What, exactly, are my limits here? What crosses the line between fact and libel? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

:I would say if you can reference it with some sort of public post or discussion and it's something that can be worded with appropriate (pseudo)-neutrality... well.
:I'd like a reference for the unsolicited pages, though I'm not sure where to find such a thing; that was my own experience on a number of occasions. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

::Did the best I could, making sure to document all my references. There's also some discussion about how Ed has become worse than his oft-verbalized opponents, the wizards of TLKMuck, comparing his banning actions to being a step further than what they did to him after he caused trouble there (log posted by [[Xyanth]] after sent to him by Ed: http://tixli.ath.cx/junk/edkettego.html). I wasn't sure if this should be added, however. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

The Violence and Sex areas are on a now smooth run. And even if we used the email systems, so do others. I am disappointed in the fact that some folk think it nesscessary to demean a MUCK because of bitterness. As a Wizard, I can only really ask that people know the facts, and I have put up factual information. Both sides of one mass exodus must be represented.
[[User:Juggernaut|Juggernaut]] 27 June 2006

:I'd like to note that I didn't add the initial controversy section. And as far as I can see, we did use facts: actual threads and quotes from the forum. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

I'd like to come to a compromise on this, If it's humanly possible.
[[User:Juggernaut|Juggernaut]]

I've added a reference to [http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=1139268700&page=1 Where did you hear about ER from?] which touches on e-mail and paging of guests, and on the website address. I'm not sure about referencing individual posts within that thread (technically or in terms of ease of reading), and I think a template for reference to a forum thread would be good, as they're currently inconsistent. I'll do some searching and see if I can find a style. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

:In Juggernaut's defense, I have seen other MUCKs paging players from similarly-themed MUCKs. Regardless, the other parts are unique to Endless Round and should stay IMHO. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

Is it possible for us to add a disclaimer to the Controversy Section? One such along the lines of, "visit, and then make your own conclusions, do not base your choices on controversy?" on that, I would be open to any or most edits, because of the disclaimer.
[[User:Juggernaut|Juggernaut]]

:I think it being titled Controversy is enough of a disclaimer, if I'm following how I've observed that section used in other articles. Clarity on what happened when is important; do you think dates should be specified in the text as well as within the references? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea to me, Sine. I'm not familiar enough with Wiki-Programs to do it well, but I will try to. I'll have a chat with some others on this later, though I think how it is currently may be fine, along with the dates of course.
[[User:Juggernaut|Juggernaut]]

:I'm happy to continue fiddling with the wording. We can discuss changes and I can impliment them, if you'd rather not keep futzing with the article yourself. I'm going to track down an appropriate reference format, as mentioned above. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

::Okay, not much luck on that search. Both APA and MLA style get all complicated, plus aren't designed for citing a whole thread rather than a specific post. I'll make up something readable and consistent, and add dates (where known) to the text while I'm at it.

::By the way, Juggernaut, it would be easier to follow discussions if you sign your additions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. This automatically shows up as your username with the date and time you posted. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm a fan of the bit on June 2006 added now at the end, if that can be kept there as a sort of marker. Any more such controversies, I'll try to remember to add as they occur, if such a thing does in fact happen.
[[User:Juggernaut|Juggernaut]]

== Edits ==

Howdy gang, Ed here. On a completely random impulse, checked the page, read through the discussion and the new entries - I think a comparison of the previous text with what I've now edited-in will show a respect for the simple facts that all involved can be content with. Furthermore, I've added another incident to the appropriate section, as its lack was inexplicable if it's now the policy of Wikiwhatever to air everybody's dirty laundry. ;) j/k wikifurries dont zap me :~] anyway, the only real deletion i made was SpazzyKat's line about what unsolicitated emails/pages are considered - everybody already knows what they, personally, consider those to be, so rather than leading people to regard them as simple spam, I tried to just flesh out the whole situation with more facts about what was done/said, and when, and how many times, and by who, etc. if people still consider it spam, that's fine - but if wiki runs on facts and not judgements, i think this is the proper way to elucidate the facts of any given matter. p.s. im not a furry [[User:Undermyfurimpeople|Undermyfurimpeople]] 13:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Wowzers, and then all mine get deleted by SpastiCat. ;) Well I'll never out drama-edit a full-blooded furry, so you guys can have your way I guess; meanwhile I'll be, uh, doing things that matter? :P [[User:Undermyfurimpeople|Undermyfurimpeople]] 00:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Endless Round MUCK

2006-07-24T00:33:56Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

Kaare

2006-07-24T00:26:23Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

The '''Kaare''' was a clan of violent [[Hyena]]s active on [[The Lion King MUCK]] through the mid-to-late nineties. The Kaare's history beginning with a feud against the then-dominant [[Bloodclaw]].

Prominent Members:
* Shaka

== External links ==

* [http://www.lionking.org/~kaare/kaare.htm Kaare Territory]

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Talk:The Lion King MUCK

2006-07-23T13:37:07Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

Wasn't there more than one Lion King MUCK at some point? I remember trying to play on one of them (whether it's this one of the other, I forgot), but couldn't find a way to integrate into the "predefined conflict" that was postulated at that time, and left again after a short time. - [[User:Unci|Unci]] 16:18, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
:I seem to recall one or two other TLK-themed MUCKs back when I was involved in TLK fandom (I've never been much of a MUCKer myself). I don't remember what they were called, who ran them, or anything else. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:45, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

::I checked with my partner, who used to be on TLK Muck, and he mentioned that there is also [http://www.firstlight.net/recreation/tplmuck.html Pridelands MUCK], though I can't log in from work to see if this is just an old, dead page or if it is still a going concern. I can't seem to find any info about it that postdates 1999.

::Additionally, I came across references to [http://www.lionking.org/~kasia/ Illusions of Pridelands MUCK], but outside of this page I can't find much more about it.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 15:27, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

There are a number of Lion King MUCKs other than The Lion King MUCK still in operation. To my knowledge, the only three still functioning on a playable level are The Lion King MUCK itself, [[Endless Round MUCK]], and [[Sunrise MUCK]]. A list of others from the past decade, both operational and closed, can be found on Rhal's MU* page, as well as on http://www.lionking.org .

Bloodclaw

2006-07-23T13:32:09Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

An early "clan" of various species, active on The Lion King MUCK in the mid-nineties, until the emergence and eventual dominance by a rival "clan" known as the [[Kaare]], composed mainly of hyenae. The Bloodclaw claimed approximately 1-to-2 dozen members at any given time in its history, and was the foremost "baddy gang" for much of its life.
Characterized by random acts of violence and ongoing feuds with do-gooders.

Leaders:
* Achika - Lioness
* Kian - Lion

No remaining websites, roleplay logs or art known; possibly accessible through archive projects.

Kaare

2006-07-23T13:31:44Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

A clan of violent hyenas active on The Lion King MUCK through the mid-to-late nineties, its history beginning with a feud against the then-dominant [[Bloodclaw]].

==External Links==
* http://www.lionking.org/~kaare/kaare.htm

Kaare

2006-07-23T13:31:22Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

A clan of violent hyenas active on The Lion King MUCK through the mid-to-late nineties, its history beginning with a feud against the then-dominant [Bloodclaw].

==External Links==
* http://www.lionking.org/~kaare/kaare.htm

Bloodclaw

2006-07-23T13:24:55Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

An early "clan" of various species, active on The Lion King MUCK in the mid-nineties, until the emergence and eventual dominance by a rival "clan" known as the Kaare, composed mainly of hyenae. The Bloodclaw claimed approximately 1-to-2 dozen members at any given time in its history, and was the foremost "baddy gang" for much of its life.
Characterized by random acts of violence and ongoing feuds with do-gooders.

Leaders:
* Achika - Lioness
* Kian - Lion

No remaining websites, roleplay logs or art known; possibly accessible through archive projects.

Bloodclaw

2006-07-23T13:21:32Z

Undermyfurimpeople:

An early "clan" of various species, active on The Lion King MUCK in the mid-nineties, until the emergence and eventual dominance of a rival "clan" known as the Kaare.
Characterized by random acts of violence and ongoing feuds with do-gooders.

Leaders:
Achika - Lioness
Kian - Lion

Talk:Endless Round MUCK

2006-07-23T13:09:24Z

Undermyfurimpeople: Edits

Endless Round MUCK

2006-07-23T12:57:50Z

Undermyfurimpeople: Added further details and more incidents to "controversies". Altered language of section (including section title) for further neutrality/balance. Less "leading" - more "straight facts".

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'''Endless Round MUCK''' is a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] based on the ''[[The Lion King]]'' movie, with active feature (canon) characters as well as numerous original characters.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://endlessround.wolfpaw.net:1994/ endlessround.wolfpaw.net, port 1994]
** '''Website''': http://www.tlkmuck.com/
** '''Forum''': http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/ or http://www.tlkmuck.com/forum
* '''Ran from/to''': November 2005 - present

== Basic info and rules ==

* Though based on the movie, Endless Round does not follow the same plots. Original characters have just as much say, both OOC and IC, as feature characters do, and can sway a plot in any direction through their IC actions.
* Shamans, mystics and such characters are not limited to primates or those with full thumbs.
* [[AML|Adult male lions]] are not limited to a number, but a player must have one non-leonine species character for every male lion character.
* Players may have up to two [[Feature Character|feature characters]] from the film. Feature characters also have understudies that roleplay them when the main FC player is not available.
* Players may have as many characters as they can roleplay.
* No [[TinySex]] is allowed.

== [[Wizard]]s ==

*Ed - Head wizard
*Amikia (from June 2006)<ref name="neww">[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=adminannounce&action=display&thread=1149109198 New Wizard!] Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started May 31, 2006 by Ed.</ref>
*[[Asrohc]] - Programmer
*[[Juggernaut|Chisulo]] (from May 2006)<ref name="neww"/>
*Chukizo (from June 2006)<ref name="neww"/>
*[[Xyanth|Timon]] - Programmer
*Khal (from May 2006)<ref name="neww"/>
*Zazu

=== Former [[wizard]]s ===

*[[Spaz Kitty|Zira]]
*Sarafina

== [[Feature Character]]s ==

Endless Round opened with all the feature characters exactly as they were in the first weeks before [[Simba]]'s presentation...and then allowed the storyline to progress naturally as affected by the intervention of player-characters and merging with new plots. So while the characters remain true to the personalities of their film counterparts, the playerbase is free to affect the course of the adventure in any fashion they can manage ICly. Early examples of such changes include the ambushing by hyenas of Mufasa's subjects during Simba's presentation, and the annexation by the allied hyenas and Outlanders of a section of the Pridelands when a later battle was lost.

The MUCK also has a parallel FC plotline, with the [[Simba's Pride|TLK2:SP]] FCs, such as Zira, growing up alongside the original TLK FCs.

== Groups ==

=== Group - Type - Alignment - Leader(s) ===

*Ahli Chyad - Motley Mafia - Evil - Raiban
*Bongo'Koka - [[Mouse]] Tribe - Good - Fu'ada
*Graveyard - [[Hyena]] Clan - Evil - Shenzi, Rehani
*Kilimanjaro - Nature Cult - Evil - Boo'katili
*Kwasi - [[Lion]] Pride - Neutral - Razu, Razo, Tulila, Kismet
*Makundiza-Kabaila - Herbivore Herd - Neutral - Somoe
*Min'Men - [[Meerkat]] Colony - Good - Timon, Max
*Nyamwezi - Lion Pride - Good - Adili
*Outlands - Lion Pride - Evil - Zira
*Pridelands - Lion Pride - Good - Mufasa, Sarabi
*Sheetswa - [[Cheetah]] Tribe - Neutral - Shaleesa
*Tii'mkebe - [[African Wild Dog|Wild Dog]] Pack - Neutral - Chukizo, Kongoro
*Warugaruga - Lion Coalition - Neutral - Shetani

== Disputed Practices ==

The website address of Endless Round MUCK (tlkmuck.com) is unrelated to the MUCK's name, but is very similar to that of The Lion King MUCK (tlkmuck.org). A Februrary 2006 thread on the Endless Round MUCK's forum includes a mention of someone finding Endless Round through mistyping the address for The Lion King MUCK. Other ways people found or were told about Endless Round are also noted.<ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=1139268700&page=1 Where did you hear about ER from?]. Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started February 6, 2006 by [[Spaz Kitty|Sumu]].</ref>

Advertising for Endless Round MUCK has included sending unsoliciated e-mails to members of [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]], to some moderate success and the enjoyment of a number of past and current players.<ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=adminannounce&action=display&thread=1148199872 Compiling A List of TLKFAA Emails...You Can Help!] Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started May 21, 2006 by Ed.</ref> Characters on other Lion King themed MUCKs have received unsolicited pages promoting Endless Round MUCK. The wizard who was responsible for the first advertising efforts by these methods (shortly after the MUCK's opening in November 2005) has, however, resigned and moved to another MUCK. To date there have been but two incidents of concerted mass-mailing to TLKFAA, in both cases to publicize imminent events.

Graphic sexual roleplay (or solicitations for such roleplay) result in the banning of the offending account(s) on Endless Round, in distinction to other Lion King MUCKs where sexual roleplay has been allowed with restrictions. The MUCK's rules regarding sexual roleplay have resulted in open discussion, being compared to policies regarding violence; an example of this are in a January 2006 thread on the forum.<ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=rulesadmin&action=display&thread=1136390125 IC vs DYN vs PR]. Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started January 4, 2006 by Hayari.</ref>

In May 2006, following a debate on whether or not [[Mufasa]] should be monogamous <ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=1146695038 Monogamous Mufasa?] Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started May 3, 2006 by Ed.</ref>, the headwizard stated that Mufasa could not be polygamous, claiming as his justification for the ruling what he believed to be a need to respect the content and character of the original film, in addition to his (the headwizard's) perceived lack of any logic or example of evidence in the film indicating that Mufasa would act in such a fashion. This Ed (the headwizard) did despite the desire for a public vote by a number of the players and statements from both Mufasa and Sarabi's then-current players saying that Mufasa should be able to have cubs with other lionesses. It should be noted, however, that the player of Mufasa at that time was on a "trial run" of the character, and had not been long involved with the FC. Following this event, those players whose preferences were excluded left their characters and roleplay scenes on Endless Round, opting to play instead on [[Sunrise MUCK]], which accommodated their tastes by allowing them to play feature characters there. Several weeks after their leaving, claiming to have heard or witnessed evidence that some of the players who had left Endless Round intended to disrupt its normal operation, Ed banned several of those individuals he suspected (and their close associates) from the forums, and @toaded their characters. <ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=rulesadmin&action=display&thread=1146805099 Chain of Command]. Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started May 5, 2006 by Sethos.</ref>, stating that "not everyone has the right to use Endless Round." <ref>[http://321prometheus.proboards49.com/index.cgi?board=generalissues&action=display&thread=1147194387 Rawr?] Thread on the Endless Round MUCK forum. Started May 9, 2006 by [[Spaz Kitty|Sumu]].</ref> Weeks later, one such banned individual, after speaking to Ed, was unbanned and presented with their toaded characters in order to have access to their descriptions.

In the aftermath of the departure of several players and their friends on the basis of this dispute, a realm within the IC world of the MUCK was abandoned by its creators. The former owners, having left Endless Round, requested that Ed delete their lands. Their request was denied by Ed, according to him, on the basis of other players having expressed interest in those areas and wishing to continue pre-existing roleplayers there and to begin new ones. In this way a precedent was set that the original creators of lands on Endless Round lose their total control of said lands in the event that the lands become important to players other than the creators themselves.

Despite these disputes, however, Endless Round is virtually free of any lingering angst or anger due to them, there being no ongoing argumentation on the aforementioned issues. As of July 2006 Endless Round has been running smoothly for some time. The only recent disputes on Endless Round as of this time (July 2006) have been minor and relating to Endless Round's liberal rules regarding species selection, which allows for players to choose to create characters of extinct species of Africa and Madagascar on the condition that those species were rendered extinct by actions of mankind within the past few hundred years.

== References ==

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== External links ==

* http://www.tlkmuck.com [http://www.tlkmuck.com Endless Round MUCK]
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/endless-round.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Endless Round MUCK]

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