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Talk:SoFurry

2011-06-14T02:48:09Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* What about the controversy over the handling of the forum transition? */ new section

Either the entire database hasn't been loaded on yet, or they've attached new restrictions on those not logged in. --[[Special:Contributions/70.249.163.214|70.249.163.214]] 22:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:The word from a few other places is that you now have to be registered and logged in to access adult content on SoFurry. I haven't researched this personally to verify it; if you'd like to do that it would be good to include your findings in the article. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== What about the controversy over the handling of the forum transition? ==

There has been some hard feelings about the way they've been handling the transition from the old forum system to the new one, things like blocking new registrations in the old forum and trying to push people to the new one before many essential features and tweaks have been implemented etc.

I'm too involved in the situation (obviouslly among the disgruntled users) to be able to write about the situation in an unbiased manner; but i believe it's an important aspect of the ongoing history of the site. Could someone with an outside perspective evaluate the whole thing and if you judge approapriate please add info about this to the article? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 22:48, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Vorarephilia

2009-01-31T23:32:48Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Why of that modification? */ new section

== endosomatophilia points to a deleted article on WP ==

the people on Wikpedia considered it lacked verifiability or somthing, if endosomatophilia is really important for this article and such, shouldn't there be at least a stub for it here in Wikifur? or if it really is all that insignificant, should it really be mentioned at all? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Why of that modification? ==

why was the pic removed, and also why the part talking about it somtimes being imagined to be a painless thing also removed? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 23:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Msgmcmuffin

2008-11-12T03:15:54Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

So, is this for real, or a hoax? And if so, could we have some references? There are some serious accusations here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I vote hoax. Troll types know that vandalism will be reverted, so they take advantage of the fact that most pages don't get deleted. It should also be noted that the user who originally made this article has previously made an article considered falsified. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 19:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:It is no hoax, however it is a bit difficult to "prove" stabbings with no pictures or police reports, I can however obtain logs of harassed/trolled IRC users on #711chan that Msgmcmuffin has trolled. Also the first article created by the user was not falsified, but the user the article was about wanted it removed after the "unwanted" revisions of the mods. [[Special:Contributions/68.3.93.6|68.3.93.6]] 18:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Tych

:I had writen a longer coment but decided against it, if this is all for real, it is a sensitive topic, and the way I am having dificulties reaching a conclusion regarding this being meant as an attack at someone, or simply the truth could be considered disrespectful, I'll just say that this sounds suspicious and needs further research before being considered a malicious article or not --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 03:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Microphilia

2008-11-12T02:42:37Z

Tigro Spottystripes: a microfur or a macro fur on a giant sculpture of a dice?

== a microfur or a macro fur on a giant sculpture of a dice? ==

in my opinion, it would be better if the picture had a bit more of context, just a regularly proportionated fur on a single object and no background isn't completly unambiguous, perhaps the picture could be somthing like a fur typing on a computer keyboard by jumping from key to key, with the proportionally huge desk under it, and perhaps somthing less likely to be made giant, like a glass of water or somthing (i'm not saying I have the skills to create such image, nor that I know where to find one, this is just a suggestion on how I think this article could be improved) --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Microphilia

2008-11-12T02:34:30Z

Tigro Spottystripes: isntead of it being about pretending, I reworded it to say it is about beings with such characteristics

[[Image:Microphilia_small.png|right|thumb|A micro fur.]]
'''Microphilia''' is a paraphilia having to do with beings much smaller in size with respect to other [[character|characters]]. The opposite of [[macrophilia]], it may be associated with masochism as opposed to sadism and also closely allied with other paraphilias such as [[vorarephilia|vore]] and [[unbirthing]].

{{stub}}

[[Category:Paraphilias]]

Vorarephilia

2008-11-12T02:31:42Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Related fetishes */ made endosomatophilia an internal link, WP's article about it got deleted

[[Image:Vorarephilia_small.png|thumb|200px|right|"Vorarephilia" by [[Lunar Prodigy]].]]

'''Vorarephilia''' (often misspelled '''voreaphilia''' or '''voraphilia''' because of their similar pronunciation), also known as '''phagophilia''' or simply called '''vore'''<ref name="straightDope">Adams, Cecil (2 July 2004) "[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040702.html Eat or be eaten: Is cannibalism a pathology as listed in the DSM-IV?]" at The Straight Dope. Accessed 4 April 2007</ref> for short, is a [[Sexual fetishism|fetish]] and [[paraphilia]] where arousal occurs from the idea of being eaten, eating another, or watching this process.<ref name="brathwaite">{{cite book |title= Sex in Video Games |first= Brenda |last= Brathwaite |publisher= Charles River Media |pages= ''p''. 20 |chapterurl= http://www.charlesriver.com/resrcs/chapters/1584504595_1stChap.pdf |isbn= 1584504595 |chapter= Defining Sex |date=August 30, 2006}}</ref> The fantasy may include digestion, which may be imagined to be painless. The word ''vorarephilia'' is derived from the [[Wikipedia:Latin|Latin]] ''vorare'' [swallow, devour] and [[Wikipedia:Greek language|Old Greek]] ''philia'' [love].

Vorarephilia is typically considered an "imaginary fetish" given that fulfilling vore fantasies in reality would be difficult to say the least; although the specific cases of [[Wikipedia:Issei Sagawa|Issei Sagawa]] in Paris, [[Wikipedia:Armin Meiwes|Armin Meiwes]] in Germany, and possibly [[Wikipedia:Jeffrey Dahmer|Jeffrey Dahmer]] in the United States, show that it is within the realm of possibility (though most vorarephiles are aware of the inherent silliness of their fetish, and are largely uninterested in the idea of cannibalism).

== Terminology ==
The term ''vorarephile'' describes someone who enjoys vore. Most vorarephiles describe themselves as being "[[Prey]]" — reportedly based on how animals are considered to be prey for other animals who are in a higher chain position — while others, who actually do the eating in the fantasies, are referred to as a "Pred" (derived from the word [[predator]]).<ref>[http://vore.got-game.org/VoregottenRealm/VoreDefinition.html "What is vore ? An attempt at a definition."] Accessed 26 February 2008</ref>

== Variates ==
=== Soft Vore ===
Soft vore describes scenarios where prey is consumed alive and whole, often without it being harmed before reaching the stomach. Because of its non-violent nature, soft vore is commonly regarded as more sensual and sexually oriented. Willing or unwilling prey in soft vore prey are either [[Wikipedia:digestion|digested]], [[Wikipedia:Asphyxia|suffocated]] or simply held in the [[Wikipedia:Stomach|stomach]]. Some vorarephiles who derive pleasure from watching animals eat other animals enjoy watching [[snake]]s eating, this is because they usually swallow their prey whole, a major element in soft vore.<ref>[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=12 "Soft Vore" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref>

Non-sexual soft vore is often used in a wide variety literature. These may be based on Native American folklore, such as one story where Coyote enters the stomach of a giant to rescue a number of people who were eaten alive, or the biblical story of [[Wikipedia:Jonah|Jonah]]. Soft vore is also used in current day cartoons and [[anime]] (which includes "Eat or Be Eaten: Panic in the Forest," an episode of the anime series [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0t1VHUeWBM]). Most of these are seen as a harmless sight gag or a minor inconvenience for a character.

=== Hard Vore ===
Hard vore describes scenarios where prey is subjected to injuries of being ripped and chewed. This type of vore involves [[Wikipedia:Cut|cutting]], [[Wikipedia:Bit|biting]], [[Wikipedia:Tear|tearing]] and usually also involves [[Wikipedia:Blood|blood]]. Although inherently there is no sexual characteristic to these portrayals, to someone with a vore fetish, they could be taken in a sexual context. Hard vore has sometimes been referred to as "gore" to separate it from soft vore.<ref>[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=11 "Hard Vore" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref>

Non-sexual hard vore is regularly portrayed in movies for mature audiences, such as the [[Wikipedia:Jaws (film)|Jaws]] franchise and [[Wikipedia:Deep Blue Sea|Deep Blue Sea]].<ref>[http://femme.fetishist.over-blog.com/categorie-10261802.html "Vore fetishism: Why and how?"]</ref>

=== Combinations ===
Being a [[Wikipedia:Fantasy (psychology)|fantasy]], any orifice may be thought of as capable of vore, but it's really just adding a body part to the word vore. This incorrect use of the word vore is now common place. Examples of this well known twisting of the word vore are the "genital vore" scenarios, which includes ''unbirth''. Unbirthing involves being consumed by the [[vagina]] and taking refuge in the woman's [[womb]],<ref name="unbirth">[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=15 "Unbirth" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref> which is simply a "reverse birth" and, in a pure sense, can only be done by a female. It is sometimes referred to as "Female Genital Vore" or "vaginal vore." Others think of it as a mutual, erotic and consensual activity with no injury to the sexual partners involved — in that case it is not considered a form of vore.<ref name="unbirth"/>

"Male Genital Vore," commonly called ''cock vore'', refers to being consumed by the [[penis]].<ref>[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=14 "Cock Vore" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref> This involves the urethral opening at the top of the penis, after which they are pulled down the [[Wikipedia:Urethra|urethra]] to the predator's [[Wikipedia:Scrotum|scrotum]], in which prey is absorbed, digested, or turned into semen (sometimes known as "cum vore") and [[Wikipedia:Ejaculation|ejaculated]]. A lesser known variant involves the prey to be taken to the [[Wikipedia:Prostate|prostate]] for conversion to semen, or to the [[Wikipedia:Bladder|bladder]] for storage or digestion.<ref>[http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/cock-vore/ "Cock vore"]</ref>

Not well known, ''Anal vore'' describes being consumed by the [[anus]].<ref>[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=64 "Anal Vore" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref> In common scenarios, prey consumed through anal vore is often drawn up through the digestive tract to the stomach where they are digested in a normal fashion. Such is not always the case, as the prey may simply remain in the [[Wikipedia:Rectum|rectum]] of the predator for a varying length of time. ''Breast vore'' describes prey being engulfed into the predator's [[breast]] through the [[nipple]]s.<ref>[http://aryion.com/modules.php?name=Conteudo&pid=22 "Breast vore" ''Eka's Portal'']</ref> Prey consumed is usually then held in the predator's breast where they are occasionally transformed into breast milk.

== Related fetishes ==
''Macro vore'' is quite common, which describes being consumed by a large or giant predator.<ref name=voreclub>[http://www.freewebs.com/thevoreclub/charterinfo.htm The Vore Club]</ref> Commonly called "giantess vore" (when the predator is a female), is commonly a mixture of [[macrophilia]], a fetish for giants. In ''micro vore'', on the other hand, is a combination of [[microphilia]], in which the predator is smaller than its prey<ref name=voreclub/> (this often involves [[Wikipedia:magic|magic]]). ''Scat'' is combined with vore as [[coprophilia]], in which the prey has been digested (or pushed through the [[digestive system]] alive) and excreted out.<ref name=voreclub/>

[[Maiesiophilia]] describes a love of the pregnant female form. It can take various forms, from having the shape of being pregnant while not having the pregnancy, or with a vore scenarios, looking pregnant while holding prey inside their stomach.

Motivations behind the vore paraphilia vary but [[Endosomatophilia|endosomatophilia]] (attraction to fantasies involving complete encapsulation of a living thing within the body of another living thing) and dominance/submission play are two common driving forces. Allowing oneself to be literally devoured could arguably be called the ultimate act of submission on the prey's part, and the ultimate act of dominance by a predator. It is easy to draw a connection between vore and the 'snuff' fetish, but in reality the overlap is far from complete. Death is frequently sidestepped or avoided in stories and roleplaying, though for some it plays an integral role in their fantasies.

== Vorarephilia and furry ==
Vorarephilia is a relatively popular topic for [[roleplay]] and [[art]] in the furry fandom as compared to the wider world, although it is still considered a fringe interest, shared to a greater or lesser extent by perhaps 2-5% of [[furry fan]]s. Its popularity may be due to the large number of predator/prey species matchups that mingle daily, although some vorarephile characters will eat just about anything with no regard for the conventional food chain. Likewise, the mixed animal/human nature of the fandom allows bestial behavior like vore to emerge naturally alongside mutual grooming and other animalistic traits. Furry vore is also made somewhat easier to act out and depict by the fact that many furry characters do not wear [[clothes]] to begin with - and those that are doing the eating often have claws to handle the rest.

The general sequence of roleplay goes something like this:
* [[Boy]] meets [[girl]]
* (optional) Non-vore roleplay of various kinds
* Girl declares that boy looks awfully tasty, either verbally or by nibbling on something
* (optional) Boy tries to appease girl with gifts of alternate foods
* Girl pounces upon boy
* Boy puts up a token resistance but lacks the physical strength to escape
* Girl swallows boy, either all at once, or (more commonly) over a series of [[pose]]s in which boy bemoans his fate (if swallowed [[tail]]/feet first) or struggles (if swallowed head first)
* (Optional) Boy is crushed into the (usually tight) confines of girl's stomach, and expires from digestion, typically falling unconscious first due to lack of oxygen

The above is just a rough guide of the most typical sequence of events - for example, each participant may be of either gender, or [[hermaphrodite|both]], or none. Vore may not be fatal - such consumption is sometimes offered as a "warm place to stay the night". Even if digestion occurs, the consumed participant typically "respawns" or "reforms" within a few minutes to a few days. This neatly sidesteps the major disadvantage of [[real life]] vore (that you only get to do it once). The level of realism in a roleplay varies from player to player, ranging from absurd and cartoonish to anatomically correct and theoretically feasible.

Vore is in many cases - even in the role-play form - a consensual activity. For every player who decides he wants his [[fox]] to go down kicking and screaming as he is ruthlessly gobbled up, there are more who enter a chatroom with the comment "I'm feeling tasty tonight." Some wish to be hunted while others offer themselves up on a platter, and not always figuratively.

Preferences vary so widely in regards to the 'ideal' vore scenario that MUCKs like [[FurryMUCK]] and [[Tapestries]] allow players to create publicly accessible tables of 'flags' to indicate their preferences and facilitate compatible pairings. Flags like 'no pain,' 'predator,' and 'soft vore' supplement broader flags not specific to vore like 'bisexual' and 'male-biased.'

Some popular places for vorarephiles include the [[Vor Cafe]] on [[Tapestries]] (adjoined by [[The Feedery]], which caters to [[fat furs]]), the [[Zaftig City]] mailing list, (for some inhabitants) [[The Giants' Club]] on [[FurryMUCK]], [[Jess]] and [[Avon]]'s [[Vor-com]], the largest vore MUCK [[Voregotten Realm]], and one of the largest Vore communities, [[Eka's Portal]].

== References ==
{{reflist}}

== External links ==
*[http://aryion.com/index.php Eka's Portal]
* [[Wikipedia:Vorarephilia|Vorarephilia]] on [[Wikipedia]]

[[Category:Paraphilias]]
[[Category:Vorarephilia|*]]

Talk:Vorarephilia

2008-11-12T02:24:28Z

Tigro Spottystripes: endosomatophilia points to a deleted article on WP

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2008-08-02T00:52:43Z

Tigro Spottystripes: fixing the url to my page

Wanna read a few things I've written about myself? http://TigroSpottystripes.Furtopia.org/

(deleted the part about me wanting people to write an article about me, if your curious about it check the history of the page)

Talk:Furry

2008-02-13T23:11:29Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Furry's Anthem? */

I have seen non-furries at AnthroCon asking what a furry is, and at least once had asked me as well. Trying to answer the question is a very tricky subject without some line of reference that most people can relate to commonly. For me when describing what furries are, I ask them in return "Have you ever watched Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny?" And wait for their answers on that. I go on to tell tham that some furries are like those characters, or think of similar characters of their own devising as their alter egos. Everyone at Anthrocon basically has their own answers for the question, and some do not use anthromporhic animals as their fursonas. It may also fall into the catagory of "furry fandom", but I find that answering the question of "What is a furry" using Bugs Bunny as a reference point so people can make the link themselves with less confusion. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 10:18, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure, either. Wikipedia links mostly to the [[Wikipedia:Furry fandom|furry fandom]] and [[Wikipedia:Furry lifestyle|furry lifestyle]] pages, but we might not want to follow them, although we can always use information from those pages to construct stuff here (with proper attribution - see the bottom of [[Tapestries MUCK]]). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:07, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Protected Status==
I'm wondering why the entry for "furry" was closed for editing? After all, what better way to attempt to define the meaning of furry than to allow the multitudes to come to some sort of collaborative definition?

:A short line: Trolls attacking it multiple times and vandalizing or defacing it. Same difference. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 22:54, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I think it's overkill to keep it protected. I'd unprotect it and watch it for vandalism; there are enough eyes on the article to revert anything bad in a short time. [[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] 22:59, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Is there a way for it to be protected to only be edited by logged-in members or something more secure?--[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 23:13, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Semiprotection (editing restricted to logged in users) has been proposed for MediaWiki but as far as I know it has not been implemented. [[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] 23:15, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::In fact, yes. However, it is usually better to list the information you want to add in this page and if it is workable, it'll go up. In this case, I will bring it to another admin's view for a second opinion. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]
::::After a short exchange, it has been decided to unlock it for a short time to see what happens. If it proves unworkable, it will again be locked and it would then be best to propose your edits here on the talk page. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]
:::::I just tried editing it and it says it's still locked. The edit button shows up now, though.

::::::It shows as unprotected on my end. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 18:42, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:In fact, this page <s>''is''</s> was protected, but <s>can</s> could still be edited by normal users by editing the template contained upon it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:27, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::It has not needed to be be protected recently. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:33, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Draft text ==

Within the [[furry fandom]], the word "furry" has several of specialized meanings. The following definitions are relatively uncontentious.
* A '''furry character''' is any [[:Category:Characters|character]] combining human and animal characteristics, commonly abbreviated as a "furry". This is the core meaning from which others derive.
* A '''furry fan''' is a [[:Category:People|person]] who is a member of the [[furry fandom]], a specific [[Wikipedia:subculture|subculture]] dating from the 1980s and focused around furry characters. Both "furry fan" and "furry fandom" are each commonly abbreviated to "furry".
As an adjective, "furry" can also indicate a relationship to furry characters or furry fans, as in "[[furry art]]" or "[[Conventions|furry convention]]".

It may seem reasonable to define "furry fan" to include any person with an interest in furry characters. However, this can be hugely contentious for individuals who are interested in furry characters but are unwilling to be identified with the specific [[furry fandom]]. Approaches to defuse this conflict include variant definitions:
* A '''furry fan''' is anyone who identifies as a member of the specific [[furry fandom]]. In other words, a furry is anyone who chooses the label, and only those who do.
* A '''furry character''' is more narrowly defined to only encompass characters created by people within the fandom, or in artistic styles popular within the fandom. Terms such as "[[funny animal]]" or "[[Anthropomorphic|anthro]]" are then used to indicate animal characters, avoiding the term "furry".

::I would agree with the above, but I think we should mention the fan/[[lifestyler]] distinction - perhaps another paragraph in the "variant" definitions section:
*A '''furry lifestyler''' or merely a '''furry''' (person) is someone whose interest in animals (not necessarily anthropomorphic) goes beyond mere enjoyment of artwork and stories about them, but which has a spiritual or emotional aspect to it. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 10:25, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== FAH ==

http://www.foxes.de/FAH/ Furries against hunting -- maybe it should have an article. I don't feel like writing it, but if someone wants to, here it is. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 16:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

== How to be a Furry - Anti-furry site in disguise? ==

[http://ihaveaplan.be/furryTut/furryTut/whyBeFurry.html How to be a Furry] is a website someone linked on a Facebook Furry group thread in reference to their apprehension about "asking" to be let into the furry fandom because they didn't quite fit what rules the website had set out for them, particularly in regards to his [http://ihaveaplan.be/furryTut/furryTut/fursona.html fursona] and what it meant in regards to his sexuality. I think some attention should be brought to this website somehow, as it was apparently briefly listed on Wikipedia's Furry page as a legitimate tutorial. Input from others? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'm going to call nonsense on it. Looks like someone's snarky idea of a joke. Not particularly funny (or original. how ironic.).
:Do you have a link to this person's question on Facebook? Sounds like a naieve soul needs set straight. :-/ [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Wikipedia's furry article? Oh that article has always been a mess. Oh yeah that how to be a furry is a joke and I thought I saw it featured from a crush yiff destroy article. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

: I would classify the "How to be a Furry" article as satire. It should not be treated as actual reference material. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Awfully acidic satire. The unwarranted overly cynical tone destroys any satirical humor that may have been there. If people aren't getting the (ahem) "joke" then perhaps we should do something (don't really know what, though) but it'd probably be best to leave that guy in his little corner fuming about...[[Xydexx#Quotations|cartoon characters]]. *shakes head* [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::The person clarified that it wasn't Wikipedia, but /WikiFur/, where he found the link to the website. I checked, and it's still listed as a "humorous" link on [[Fursona]]. I changed the wording to "parodying" to make it more clear that this isn't meant to be taken seriously. But in my opinion, it needs to be removed as a reference link to the article entirely, to prevent further misinterpretations. [[User:24.241.49.173|24.241.49.173]] 00:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (SpazKitty not logged in)

: This was the work of a DeviantArt user, u63r - the original is located [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31135582/ here]. [[CYD]] administration approached u63r and offered to host the document. Please use the URL http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/furryTut/ to save poor Dos' bandwidth. For those of you who don't clock on every cycle, this is indeed a work of satire. --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

== Page to introduce someone to the Furry Fandom ==

I think that this page should be the best that it could, because it is likely to be the one that non-furs and some parents read.

I was reading a Furtopia post about a reaction to a Wikifur article. http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin/ib311/ikonboard.cgi?s=aff1dbf8803a7349984b93abada26e10;act=ST;f=48;t=25588

Red Reynart writes, "Finally! and every thing goes horrible wrong. Yes you heard me horrible wrong! I went to Wikifur printed off an article on the furry fandom. Gave it to my parents to read because there always too busy to have time to explain anything to. Wow What happen is that they thought that ist was nothing more than a cult and all about porn. I have no clue how on earth they interpreted it like that for I read it and there was nothing wrong with it nor what it said. But I went back to the website and just about every article on that site was deleted! It took me a long time to explain every thing in detail on my own words to not continue a big debate. ...."
: I guess you're talking about a page for ME, indeed. I'm not a fur. I wanted to know what it means. There's something enourmous missing from this article: it's clearly not just about anthropomorphizing animals, if that were all tere was to it then fursuits wouldn'[t all look like cartoon characters. I'm just taking a wild guess, here, but I have the distinct feeling that if someone showed up at FurCon in a painstakingly realistic fursuit, they wouldn't exactly be the life of the party but instead perceived and treated as a gauche, ostracized faux-pas dork or partypooper. Well, what's the real story here? Are we talking about animals or cartoons characters? I can't figure it out and it's a gigantic missing element. Thanks for any info [[User:68.123.29.19|68.123.29.19]] 00:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==work in progress==
I would like to suggest that this page be an introduction for the public-at-large. I don't mean for us to lie and say that the fandom is perfect, but an erotic image doesn't need to included in the section '''Sexuality''' to make a point. With or without sex some of the public-at-large will still find us weird if we don't describe how people get and stay interested in furries. My family and some of my friend would refer to anime as cartoons and say that anime is for children.

My ideas for this page come from [http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin/ib311/ikonboard.cgi?s=aff1dbf8803a7349984b93abada26e10;act=ST;f=48;t=25588 a furtopia post] about someone giving the Wikifur - furry article to a parent.

Also, the front page of Wikifur has a permanent link to this article. It should be the best article here.

==What it means to be furry==
I think the entire "What it means to be Furry" section needs to be re-worded. It sounds like someone wrote it shortly after being teased or watching "Fur and Loathing". It has a very bitter and childish tone. [[User:Omnibahumut|Omnibahumut]]
:In in infinite boredom at work, I made a change myself [[User:Omnibahumut|Omnibahumut]] 15:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== what's with all the revertion and stuff? ==

I'm confused, why I keep getting notifications the article got modified and when I go to see the changes it doesn't show any changes beside some reversion, either I don't understand how this work as well as I thought I did, or this is broken somehow....
: ok, I went to check the history and apparently it shows more than the link in the emails show, now I just need to figure out why the email link doesn't show the modifications too...--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 17:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Furry's Anthem? ==

An Anonymous IP user, added this like to the references section here: [http://youtube.com/watch?v=86MESzaYp9g&feature=related Counting Crows Song that mentions Dressing in His Bunny Suit - Furry's Anthem] . I know the part in Dressing in a Bunny Suit is true but, is this the Furry's Anthem? Also I didn't see ant connection with the name of the song with "Furry" in Google so I removed it from the page for now. If you think it should be included, please place it in the appropriate section of the page. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 11:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I've never heard of that connection--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 18:11, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Category talk:Sounds

2007-11-14T23:11:21Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* "Tchktling" */ just showing my face again and getitng disapointed no one answerd me :/

I think we should change this category name to [[:Category:Sounds]]. Thoughts? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:That sounds (heh) fine to me. ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 20:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::(Very belatedly) I plan to make this change, if there are no objections. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== "Tchktling" ==

should Tchktling (or whayever it is spelled) be added? as I see it, tchklts are thos clicks, like the raptors in JP make (similar to that sound the Predator also makes)--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 08:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

:wow, it has been so far that I had forgoten I asked this:/

:anyway, not word yet on the go or no-go of the inclusion of the gutural clicking sound in this wiki? :/ --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 23:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Taur

2007-09-14T02:57:45Z

Tigro Spottystripes: added about mermaids

[[Image:P'Tar the Catarian.jpg|right|thumb|[[P'Tar the Catarian]], a fictional type of '''taur''' character in [[Extinctioners]]]]'''Taur''' is the short form of '''Centaur''', or (in modern usage) any creature with a humanoid upper body joined onto the non-[[anthropomorphic]] lower body of another animal, in the same style as a Centaur.

There are many Taur species in furry, many of which are single instances, for instance a "[[Sorien|Cervitaur]] (cervine, or deer-like)". Other variants comprise well known species groups:

* Classic [[Centaur]]s
* [[Equitaur]]s
* [[Wemic]]s
* [[Chakat]]s
* [[Skunktaur]]s [[Skunktaur (Chakat-kin)|(Chakat-kin)]]
* [[Kendarii]]
* [[Naga]]s (considered by some to be "snaketaurs")
* [[Mermaid|Mermaids and Mermen]] are in some cases fish or dolphin taurs

Most taur forms walk on four legs, but some have more - see [[hextaur]] and [[pede]].

==Taurs in literature==

In addition to the classical centaurs found in [[Greek mythology|Greek]] and Roman mythology, one finds many instances of taurs in [[fantasy]] and [[science fiction]]. The following is a list of some examples.

* [[Wikipedia:Poul Anderson|Poul Anderson]]'s David Falkayne stories of the Polesotechnic League features Wodenites, which are saurian-based quadrupeds with upright torsos. He also created the sapient life-form of Ishtar, depicted in ''Fire Time'' as a vaguely felinoid race.
* [[Wikipedia:Piers Anthony|Piers Anthony]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Xanth|Xanth]]'' series features numerous centaurs.
* [[Wikipedia:Gene Wolfe|Gene Wolfe]]'s ''Soldier of the Mist'' and ''Soldier of Arete'' features centaurs.
* [[Wikipedia:Jack L. Chalker|Jack L. Chalker]] wrote a long series of stories called ''[[Wikipedia:Well World|Well World]]'' featuring centaurs called "Dillians".
* Thomas Burnett Swan wrote ''Day of the Minotaur''.
* ''[[Wikipedia:Thessalonica (novel)|Thessalonica]]'' by [[Wikipedia:Harry Turtledove|Harry Turtledove]] features centaurs enlisted with the Christians of [[Wikipedia:Thessalonica|Thessalonica]] in a battle against invaders from the Asian steppes.
* [[Wikipedia:John Varley|John Varley]]'s [[Wikipedia:Gaea trilogy|''Gaea'' trilogy]] (''[[Wikipedia:Titan (John Varley)|Titan]]'', ''[[Wikipedia:Wizard (novel)|Wizard]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Demon (novel)|Demon]]'') depicts centaur-like inhabitants of Titan, a satellite of Saturn.
* ''Goddess by Mistake'' by [[Wikipedia:P. C. Cast|P. C. Cast]] is the story of a woman who becomes a Goddess in an alternate universe peopled by centaurs.

== See also ==
*[[:Category:Taur characters|Taur characters]]

{{species-stub}}

[[Category:Fictional species]]

Snake

2007-09-14T02:40:13Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Snakes as characters */

The term '''snake''' refers to any of a large group of reptiles of the taxonomic suborder ''Serpentes'' having no arms or legs. They may range in size anywhere from the size of a pencil to almost 40 feet in length. Snakes are widely kept as pets or as performing animals. They tend to find their way into dark and secluded spots, however (the better to avoid predation or to ambush their prey), so care should always be exercised, as the situation may require, to avoid problems arising from disturbing a hidden snake.

== Two kinds of snake ==
All snakes are carnivores, but there are two main groups. So-called '''poisonous''' or '''venomous''' snakes have modified salivary glands that secrete a venom which may have a number of varied effects depending on the species of snake, such as lowered blood pressure, hemophilia, or rhabdomyolysis (muscular necrosis). A relatively small group of poisonous snakes is particularly dangerous to [[human|man]]. The '''constrictors''', on the other hand, crush the life out of their prey by wrapping their body around it and constricting--preventing the victim from breathing until it suffocates.

== Occasional diner ==
Snakes typically only need to feed once in a great while, as they expend no energy in maintaining a body temperature, and their movements tend to be slow and deliberate most of the time.

== Snakes as characters ==
It is unfortunate that the snake's reputation was so badly besmirched so early on in human history. It is a very rare thing indeed for a snake to be stereotyped as anything but a villain of the most dangerous kind. In [[furry fandom]] and elsewhere, it is quite uncommon to encounter a snake character, but they have been known to exist. There was a snakelike gargoyle on Disney's ''Gargoyles'' in the episode called "The Green" (season 2, episode #51). It is a matter of some imagination as to how much the human "template" ought to influence the snake's unique form. One such interesting example of how this could occur would be the [[Yuan-Ti]], a race of snake-human hybrids unique to the fantasy realm of [[Faerun]]. They are classified under three different types depending upon the extent of their serpentine attributes with Abominations being the most snakelike, Purebloods next,and half-breeds being the least snakelike.

== See also ==

* [[:Category:Snake characters|Snake characters]]

[[Category:Reptile species]]

Taur

2007-09-14T02:36:50Z

Tigro Spottystripes: addeed the line about nagas

[[Image:P'Tar the Catarian.jpg|right|thumb|[[P'Tar the Catarian]], a fictional type of '''taur''' character in [[Extinctioners]]]]'''Taur''' is the short form of '''Centaur''', or (in modern usage) any creature with a humanoid upper body joined onto the non-[[anthropomorphic]] lower body of another animal, in the same style as a Centaur.

There are many Taur species in furry, many of which are single instances, for instance a "[[Sorien|Cervitaur]] (cervine, or deer-like)". Other variants comprise well known species groups:

* Classic [[Centaur]]s
* [[Equitaur]]s
* [[Wemic]]s
* [[Chakat]]s
* [[Skunktaur]]s [[Skunktaur (Chakat-kin)|(Chakat-kin)]]
* [[Kendarii]]
* [[Naga]]s (considered by some to be "snaketaurs")

Most taur forms walk on four legs, but some have more - see [[hextaur]] and [[pede]].

==Taurs in literature==

In addition to the classical centaurs found in [[Greek mythology|Greek]] and Roman mythology, one finds many instances of taurs in [[fantasy]] and [[science fiction]]. The following is a list of some examples.

* [[Wikipedia:Poul Anderson|Poul Anderson]]'s David Falkayne stories of the Polesotechnic League features Wodenites, which are saurian-based quadrupeds with upright torsos. He also created the sapient life-form of Ishtar, depicted in ''Fire Time'' as a vaguely felinoid race.
* [[Wikipedia:Piers Anthony|Piers Anthony]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Xanth|Xanth]]'' series features numerous centaurs.
* [[Wikipedia:Gene Wolfe|Gene Wolfe]]'s ''Soldier of the Mist'' and ''Soldier of Arete'' features centaurs.
* [[Wikipedia:Jack L. Chalker|Jack L. Chalker]] wrote a long series of stories called ''[[Wikipedia:Well World|Well World]]'' featuring centaurs called "Dillians".
* Thomas Burnett Swan wrote ''Day of the Minotaur''.
* ''[[Wikipedia:Thessalonica (novel)|Thessalonica]]'' by [[Wikipedia:Harry Turtledove|Harry Turtledove]] features centaurs enlisted with the Christians of [[Wikipedia:Thessalonica|Thessalonica]] in a battle against invaders from the Asian steppes.
* [[Wikipedia:John Varley|John Varley]]'s [[Wikipedia:Gaea trilogy|''Gaea'' trilogy]] (''[[Wikipedia:Titan (John Varley)|Titan]]'', ''[[Wikipedia:Wizard (novel)|Wizard]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Demon (novel)|Demon]]'') depicts centaur-like inhabitants of Titan, a satellite of Saturn.
* ''Goddess by Mistake'' by [[Wikipedia:P. C. Cast|P. C. Cast]] is the story of a woman who becomes a Goddess in an alternate universe peopled by centaurs.

== See also ==
*[[:Category:Taur characters|Taur characters]]

{{species-stub}}

[[Category:Fictional species]]

Wing

2007-08-28T05:42:54Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Pterosaur wings */

A '''wing''' is a body part which acts as an aerofoil, typically allowing its owner to fly, although the wings on some [[character]]s are strictly decorational. Wings typically come in pairs, one each for the left and right side of the body.

== Types of wings ==

===Bat-like wings===

A bat-like wing consists of a modified foreleg supporting a membrane, as in [[bat]]s. The membrane is supported by elongated 'fingers', which can bend to alter the wing geometry. In bats, the thumb is still present as a hook-like [[claw]] at the top of the wing, which is sometimes used to grip surfaces.

[[Dragons]] tend to use a very similar style of wing, in some cases with the same kind of thumbclaw.

=== Feathered wings ===

Feathered wings are those seen on [[bird]]s. Typically these wings give a character an [[angel]]ic appearance. The feathers are attached to a muscular, reduced forelimb, which lacks all digits except for the 'thumb', which holds a clump of feathers called the ''alula'' to reduce stalling in low speed flight.

===Insect wings===

Insect wings are those seen on insects: typically those of flies, bees, wasps, and beetles, which are traditionally oval in shape, translucent, flat, and have a pattern of wrinkles. Fairies are commonly depicted with this kind of wing.

Unlike bat and bird wings, it is not uncommon to have two pairs of insect wings at once.

====Butterfly/moth wings====

These can be classed as insect wings; however, they are often strikingly coloured and shaped, in butterflies. Moth wings are more stealthy, and covered in soft, noise-damping, camouflaged scales.

Fairies are also commonly depicted with butterfly wings.

===Pterosaur wings===

Although seen on few if any furs, this is a style of wing seen in fossils of [[pterosaur]]s, an [[extinct]] family of flying [[reptile]] descendants. Resembling the bat wing, but unlike bat wings, pterosaurs usually only have one long digit holding the triangular membrane, in many cases small claws are found where the bat's single claw is, usually accompanied with atrophied digits for each claw.

{{Anatomy}}
[[Category:Anatomy terms]]

Forum:Chibiabos' requests for blanking

2007-06-11T04:31:28Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* would it be ok if I... */ oops, my msg was still there, sorry for that

{{Forumheader|Exclusion of information}}



== List of articles ==

[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] has requested that the following entries, which he created about his characters, be deleted from WikiFur:

*[[Chibiabos]] and [[User:Chibiabos]]
*[[Jolt]]
*[[Londikin]]
*[[Londikin (Haven MUSH)]]
*[[Londikin (Spheres MUX)]]
*[[Londikin (Meadows MUCK)]]
*[[Kunagnos]]
*[[Mahxissa]]
*[[Zetan]]
*[[Fortivirago]]
*[[Ironhoof]]
*[[Strongheart]]
*[[Klondike]]
*[[Terrayme]]

== Discussion ==

Over on [[User_talk:Chibiabos|his user talk page]], Chibiabos has requested that articles about himself, his creative works, and his characters be blanked (there is a specific list there).

As I said on [[User talk:Spirou]], as the character articles are about roleplayed characters with distinct identities, histories, species, ''et cetera'', I support keeping them and keeping them as separate articles. The pattern here is for such characters to have their own articles unless there is a very small, unexpandable amount of information, or the character is primarily a fursona. I don't think either of those points apply in this case.

More generally, while I wouldn't argue that these articles are of any very significant import (although in a number of cases they are about characters on [[:Category:Multiplayer worlds|multiplayer worlds]] which have since closed, and information about such is worth preserving) I am made uncomfortable by the thought that articles not about a person themselves could be deleted due to a (former) contributor's request. I think that would be a bad precedent to set.

-- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

:The idea is well argued (I retired my request for Spd based on it,) the only thing I pointed out later is that if it would to serve a better purpose for cross-reference to have them (the characters) being consolidated in one page, which then it would be linked to his article (even i it's locked.)

:More or less the same solution we did with the [[Anthroness]] characters, were they were consolidated into a single article ([[The_Anthroness_(characters)]],) then linked to the main article. just my two cents on ye matter =)

:-- (Spirou at a remote station) [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 19:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't see a reason to consolidate the characters into a single article, as they're not related other than by having been created by the same person. I don't think The Anthroness characters form a parallel case, as those were extremely short, list-format articles on characters from the same comic. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:::"I don't think The Anthroness characters form a parallel case, as those were extremely short, list-format articles on characters from the same comic," ah, I forgot that logical angle. All right then , I retract my suggestion of character article consolidation. Which brings us to the crux of the matter: Removal as asked by owner, claiming intellectual property?, or inclusion on Wikifur as furry historical data?. My opinion?: Abstain, not due to intellectual or copyright reasons, but due to getting too involved in matters related to said individual,...

:::--(Spirou at a remote station) [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 20:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

::::We shouldn't just remove a person's contributions if they leave. However, I feel that characters can be a private detail about a person, and as such are covered under the personal information policy unless otherwise notable (for example, if they were a member of a comic like [[Miss Mab]] it might be appropriate to record their in-comic details). These are not comic characters - they are personal characters. I therefore think these should be deleted. We would delete the same information if it was on the page about them, after all. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::I strongly disagree that these characters are personal; they were roleplayed on publically-accessible multiplayer worlds, and I would say are thus in essence story characters. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::Not all the worlds were publicly accessible; you had to register for an account in some. I was the primary contributor, and in most cases the only one with the exception of minor edits and "seed stubs" created by GreenReaper gleaned by my furvey. You're welcome to revert to those if you absolutely must irritate me by continuing to associate my furriness with wikifur. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Did you ever use any of the names as aliases in public writing? If so, I would argue that those should stay. [[User:733|733]]

::::::::Not one of them would fit the bill to be an article on wikipedia. The only reason to keep them is to continue to irk me, and it does a good job of that. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 22:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I stayed out of this from the beginning since I didn't know enough on the topic to take sides (I also dislike conflict), but it's been 3 months, and I'd like to see this issue resolved ASAP. I think that the character pages should be deleted, as I strongly believe they are personal creations - whether or not they were played in a 'public' realm, they are still the intellectual property of the owner. Would the same standard be applied to fursonas being RPed as characters on [[Tapestries]] or [[Furry MUCK]]? Seeing as how we allow fursona names to be protected-excluded (as opposed to only real life names), I think not. I'd be very upset myself if someone said [[Spaz Kitty]], Sumu, or any of my other roleplayed-creations weren't my "personal" character, but rather a publicly-owned concept.
:::::::::As such, I believe that all of Chibiabos' characters should be removed if he so desires them to be. While I do support the gathering of information, particularly with past MUCKs, I see this as counterproductive - to me, links from characters on MUCK listings to the player may help reconnect old RP-partners, but when the player of a character has decided to remove themselves from WikiFur, then the aforementioned purpose is no longer achievable. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I for one did not suggest that characters become a publically-owned concept. I do, however, think that information about characters should remain publically available, once that information has been made available.

As I believe I stated somewhere above, or other discussions, I am very bothered by the precent of removing someone's contributions solely because they left in a snit fit; it seems to be giving in to spite.

While re-connecting people from multiplayer worlds or other activities is an interesting and laudable effect, my understanding of WikiFur is that it is a collection of information, not a directory, and such connections are not a purpose here. (Not indenting to cut down on squishing.) -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 17:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:I formally, fully and completely cancel, refuse and refute any and all rights for "Wikifur" or any other website or webservice, to maintain, retain, or republish my creative works and/or creations in whole or in part, including those I may have contributed to such websites or webservices in the past. Regardless of legal enforceability, any continued storing of any of my creative works constitutes a violation of my specific and explicit wishes.

:I do this as my only means of protest of general issues of imbalanced and whitewashed articles on pro-piracy and pro-bullying groups and websites, Wikifur continues to maintain personal sexual harrassment against me in several article talk pages and has refused to do anything about it, but when I refuted bogus points (either made up or meaninglessly selectively applied) made in support of deleting articles I had written which documented artists' explicit refusals of unauthorized redistributions (contradicting the bogus "Do Not Post lists means we aren't pirating" claims made by some piracy websites), I was banned from WikiFur. Having a point of view that is different from the majority on Wikifur is a offense by banning, but sexual harrassment of someone who isn't popular is rewarded with official Wikifur administration liasons and protection of their whitewashed articles. This behavior, which has not changed, I will not support, condone, tolerate nor associate with in any way, shape nor form.

:I fail to see how any of my 'character articles' offer anything significant to Wikifur and their continued presence is in defiance -- whether willful or merely neglectful -- of my request over my own creative works I made months ago. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 10:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

::As noted in [[WikiFur:Copyrights]], you cannot retract the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) under which written work is submitted to WikiFur. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Wikifur admin has violated Wikifur's own Term of Service in very bad faith and as such, no contractual agreement I made, expressed or implied, is valid. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Er... I don't think that's how contracts/license agreements work. Using your logic, I could get out of paying for Windows because it keeps crashing. ;-) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: You could probably demand a refund, if the crashes are due to defects in the software. We have not paid Chibiabos anything for their work, though, and in the lack of [[Wikipedia:Consideration|consideration]] (the legal technical term) there is no contract. The GFDL is however a license, and not a contract. It is not clear to me whether or not the legal right to revoke a non-exclusive license exists. It is a big issue that nobody here has the background to address. A decision here should probably be based on whether it's morally the right thing to do rather than whether or not there is the right to demand it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm leaning toward excluding it. Even though GFDL can't be retracted, admins of WikiFur can choose not to host a particular GFDL document. And the characters will still be listed on the pages for the MUCKs, so it's not like we're hiding anything. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::: The logic behind the demands is faulty but I think it's the best thing for all concerned if they're just deleted and the issue is closed. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: I can think of some much stronger words to say with respect to this matter, but all I'll say is that I'm on the same side as Lynn Onyx on this, for the sake of conclusion. If someone else recreates them in the future, that's not WikiFur's problem. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 15:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::Scani, could you elaborate on "If someone else recreates them in the future, that's not WikiFur's problem."? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::I'll do my best, Sine... my argument pretty much falls along the lines of notability on this site (which I know has been disposed of as compared to Wikipedia, but still). Quoting Chibiabos earlier in the discussion:
::::::''I fail to see how any of my 'character articles' offer anything significant to Wikifur...'' (I personally find this remark kind of funny considering they were posted in the first place, but I digress.)
::::::When a player posts character articles, they really don't have a claim to notability, because clearly your own creations will have FAR more importance to you. We've established on the site that this level of notability is okay for posting articles. However, if someone else came along and created articles on those same characters, that establishes a higher level of notability. In the former case, requests to delete are justifiable. In the latter case, this is less so, with the justification for deleting decreasing as more people edit the article and take an interest in the subject, establishing a public interest which WikiFur shouldn't interfere with; hence why I say that if there's been notability established by someone else creating an article, it's not their responsibility to argue with WikiFur admins. They need to argue with the fandom at large, an argument they'll likely lose. ''In this particular case,'' I don't think very much of that public interest was established, which strongly suggests a '''delete'''. ''That having been said'', I don't think that this has been handled in an appropriate fashion by the petitioner, to the point where it's admittedly gotten me more prejudiced than I should be in this discussion. It reeks of a bad 180 to write your own articles, and then pull them due to protest against the site - which I think is really the only reason. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 21:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The administrators' behavior was extremely inappropriate. Articles I have written, such as the list of explicit artists' limitations on redistribution of their work, was deleted because a) to retaliate against me and b) because it contradicts the pro-piracy articles Wikifur administrators protect and refute articles which demonstrate contradiction to claimst of pirate groups. I have every right to protest Wikifur's abusive behavior ... in fact, it would be wrong of me to silently accept it. I had no idea when I wrote the articles just what sort of organization I would be associating with in Wikifur, one whose own administrator is a supporting member of a group dedicated to stalking and harrassing furs and even allows and protects members of that group to commit sexual harrassment within wikifur itself. What really reeks is to have a set of rules and break them as part of a mob mentality to attack and ensure imbalance against unpopular furs. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: You say you had "no idea just what sort of organization" you'd be associating with. And yet every time you edit the page, you saw: ''Please note that all contributions to WikiFur are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see [[WikiFur:Copyrights]] for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.'' I'm at a loss to figure out why you think that license in any way is dependent upon the personalites of, and your opinions of, the administrators and editors of this wiki.
:::::::: It's not. WikiFur maintains the legal and ethical right to use anything you have submitted under the terms of that license. As such, what you are requesting is '''a favor from the WikiFur administrators'''. The more you continue to insult the WikiFur editors, the less likely anyone is to grant you that favor. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: At this point, you're the only one dictating and cementing your own unpopularity, which if you're not careful is going to ensure that your request isn't honoured. Regardless of whether the administrators choose to remove your articles or not, you have not endeared yourself to anybody following this discussion, including myself, and I don't even consider myself part of what some cynics would consider a "WikiFur cabal". --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::::: You are correct I am dictating and cementing my unpopularity, and with an organization like Wikifur, I would not wish it otherwise. I do not want to be popular nor associated with a group that supports and protects pirates and bullies, to the point of not only allowing whitewashing of their articles but their actual administration being active participants and supporters of their groups and, on Wikifur itself, reverting any articles pointing out the fallacious claims of harmlessness by such groups and deleting articles which document complaint and damages done to furry artists and fandom members by these groups. This is inherently unethical anti-wiki. I neither desire nor value popularity among unethical people, though I will not claim I am immune to the effects. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 11:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Scani. That is very clear. I think most of these particular items are sufficiently notable (I left comments on at least some of article talk pages to that effect) for inclusion here, but my main objection, and an extremely strong one, is to WikiFur removing a contribution at someone's request. There is an exception whre information is removed after someone is granted personal exclusion, which we have a defined policy for. (As it happens, I disagree with our practice of personal exclusion, but that is another matter to be discussed in its own space.) -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:The continued inclusion of the articles only has value to those who stalk and harrass me by persuing my roleplayed "alts." Unfortunately, its not really a surpise to me anymore that Wikifur supports such behavior. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::My objection is strengthened by the fact that Chibabos, [[User talk:Chibiabos#Cooling_down_period|having been given a temporary ban on editing, stated "If you aren't going to restore my ability to contribute to wikifur, then I formally request each and every contribution I've made to Wikifur be erased and struck."]] My assumption is this is the attitude behind the request for personal exclusion (which was granted in accordance with policy) and [[User_talk:Chibiabos#List_of_pages_formally_requested_to_be_blanked|the request of other pages to be blanked]], which has been followed by repeated demands and which we are discussing here. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::But you have no objection to there was no problem in deleting an article I was working on which contradicted the whitewashed articls on "Do Not Post" piracy groups like fchan that give the exact phrasage used by artists iterating their desire to not have their work redistributed without their express consent. The article was deleted completely even though it documented -dozens- of furry artists and their official word on the subject ... you can't get much more relevant nor better referenced than that, but articles that have no relevance and don't even have reference are kept and maintained to retaliate against me. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Psst. Stop talking. Every time you open your mouth, you say something else that makes us reconsider whether to do this. If you'd stop digging yourself deeper into a hole, we'd probably just reach consensus and get this resolved. But every time you introduce yet another spurious bit of illogic, it prolongs the process even further. You've made your request. We're talking about it. Just let the system work. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: "Every time you open your mouth, you say something else that makes us reconsider whether to do this." You just proved my point that the reason my request isn't being abided has nothing to do with whether or not the articles I wish to have deleted are relevant, are cited, or any of the other professional criteria (which none of them are) ... they kept solely in personal retaliation against me. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 11:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Once more you're missing the point. You have NO right to demand what you want. What you are requesting is a FAVOR. Nobody is OBLIGATED to do you favors. The more you call the editors of this wiki unethical, claim that the admins support sexual harassment, and generally insult people, the less likely people are to grant you any kind of favors.
:::::: If you were acting reasonably and cooperating, this could have been taken care of a while ago. However, you chose to throw insults and unsurprisingly, the editors who contribute to the wiki are not feeling particularly charitable. You are your own worst enemy. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::: And once again you simultaneously miss and prove my point. I'm not going to call a crook a saint ... every admin here from Greenreaper on down have repeatedly attempted to force me to simply accept that articles countering bullying and piracy will not be tolerated on Wikifur when a popular majority supports acts if piracy or bullying. The rules here are an agreement agreed to by its participants, and when you decide the rules don't apply just because someone isn't well liked and breaking rules claiming fairness or balance for personal retaliation against someone, that is neither reasonable nor cooperative on your part, regardless if its the actions of a majority of those here at Wikifur including the administration. I will not be reaonsable nor cooperative with liars, hypocrits and bullies and do not expect me to change my behavior regardless of how many liars, hypocrits and bullies are in the mob. Being cooperative with bullies would make me an accessory, and I refuse to be one again.

::::::: The '''only''' reason these articles are maintained here is to help individuals stalk and harrass me outside of Wikifur. If that's the behavior you are going to publicly and consciously endorse instead of just unconsciously with your go-with-the-flow mob tirade that gives you a false sense of being in the right, don't blame me if I do what I can to make you feel uncomfortable in realizing what it is you are doing. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 20:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

== Poll-type format ==
Would it be appropriate to use the Keep/Delete poll-type format to assist conclusion of this issue, mayhaps? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

: Agreed. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 07:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed Compromise ==

Let's just edit the articles and remove the references to 'played by the same person as [[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]]'. This maintains the integrity of WikiFur, doesn't concede to [[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]]'s unreasonable demands, but also satisifies his desire that these not be "used to stalk and harass" him. Especially since he has asked to be personally excluded, and that has been granted. Therefore let's remove the references to him as a person. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 03:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Being Bold ===

Okay, I made the following changes:

*[[Chibiabos]] and [[User:Chibiabos]] -- ''already blanked''
*[[Jolt]] -- ''entry doesn't exist''
*[[Londikin]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Haven MUSH)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Spheres MUX)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Meadows MUCK)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Kunagnos]] -- ''no change needed, doesn't refer to Chibiabos''
*[[Mahxissa]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Zetan]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and link to alt.lifestyle.furry post''
*[[Fortivirago]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Ironhoof]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and several other players''
*[[Strongheart]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Klondike]] -- ''entry doesn't exist''
*[[Terrayme]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and link to alt.lifestyle.furry post''

I have also removed all the <nowiki>{{speedydelete}}</nowiki> templates from these pages, as (a) there's been nothing speedy about this process, and there isn't a pressing need to delete these pages anyway. (I'd say that the Londikin entries should be merged and the disambig page removed, but really, that's a minor issue).

[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]], does this satisfy your desire to have your personal information removed? Other WikiFur editors, do these edits seem acceptable to you? --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 02:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:Aren't these articles still just vanity articles about my characters? There's nothing verifiable about them and I remain the most significant contributor to each of them ... on just about any other wiki, writing articles about yourself is considered bad. Here, where it isn't, why can't you simply have them withdrawn if you no longer wish to participate? Ulterior motivations aside, were it a matter of wiki principles, there's no real solid reason for Wikifur to retain them at all ... there's no references to the information they contain (no posted logfiles of the characters demonstrating the claimed traits), nothing to verify the information I put in them, and no way anyone could balance them. In fact, there's no real evidence to verify any of those characters actually existed on the MU*s I claimed them to be. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 08:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:: ... okay, so now you're suddenly concerned with the ''integrity'' of Wikifur. And not about harassment, which was the issue I addressed. Way to move the goal posts. BTW, [[Lynn Onyx|my character page]] is likewise unsourced. You think it should be removed too? This is getting silly. You don't get to take your ball and go home, period. That's not how wikis work, not this one, and not any others.
:: If you have objections to the edits, please state exactly how they fail to satisfy this complaint of yours: ''The '''only''' reason these articles are maintained here is to help individuals stalk and harrass me outside of Wikifur.'' I realize you won't do this, as you've promised to be uncooperative. But like many other people on this wiki community, I too am running out of patience with your trolling. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 16:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Wikifur '''has no integrity''' for me to protect, I'm just arguing from the perspective of a wiki since my personal appeals to protect myself have no effect. Wikifur destroyed any patience I had left long ago when Wikifur admin reverted every edit I tried to make to articles that whitewashed pirate and bully groups that I have either experienced directly or know to have caused serious damage to furs and the fandom, even when I referenced the information using links to posts in their own forums. An admin even dared me to try again on channel after reverting my edits and locking an article ... but instead, I tried starting a new set of articles documenting the harm these groups have brought to the fandom and the truth behind the "Do Not Post" list claim by pirate groups as being adequate to meeting artist's requests, when in fact a large number of furry artists have officially decried them and explicitly stated on their websites or newsgroup posts that they do not want their work copied and reposted without their permission. The mob's response -- admin and 'regular' wikifur user alike -- was to state the articles were "inappropriate" for wikifur and at least one of them has been completely deleted by Wikifur admin as a result. Greenreaper is a contributing member of one of the bully groups whose articles are whitewashed and admin protected against balancing out. In retailiation, on several talk pages throughout Wikifur, disgusting false sexual accusations have been made against me, and they still remain thanks to Wikifur admin. I must accept this since there's nothign I can do about it, and of course that's fine and acceptable to you because you don't like me ... that tells me all I need to know about your character and those who go along with this in silent acceptance. I've put up with this mob activity for many months, and yet I'm the troll and you're the one whose patience has been lost? I've been way too patient and way too silent for way too long. Be careful for what company you keep and what behavior you associate yourself with. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Time for some motivational talk. From [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]:
::: ''"WikiFur is about furries and the furry fandom. WikiFur is a public resource where people - both furries and non-furries - are able to come to and learn about both the fandom '''and those in it.''' This means that we do have articles on people in the fandom, even if they are not regarded as particularly significant."''
::: It then goes on to mention that this is why people are allowed to write their own articles. Personally, I'd rather have someone else writing the article on me - but I'm also aware that if it was not in place, we would only have a very small selection of people on this Wiki. I'm going to go out on a limb here - I don't represent WikiFur in any official capacity, but this is just my personal line of thought - and say that having this allowance EMPOWERS the many other people other than the Kages and the 2s in the fandom like you, me, and everyone else who should be credited as the REAL drivers of the furry fandom, regardless of how much they've actually done. As such, whether you want your articles to be kept or deleted, there is ALWAYS a good reason for someone to be listed here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 18:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Sure, there are reasons, but are the reasons good or bad? What reason is there to list someone's characters who doesn't want to be listed? No one knows all the characters I have roleplayed, no one individual has roleplayed with them all. A few close friends are familiar with many of them, but they would never go against my wishes and put, detail or list them in a place I do not want to be associated with. Associating me with Wikifur is harmful to me because of what Wikifur really stands for (in contrast to what it claims or states to stand for) and the activity of both its administration and the majority of its users. Putting my name in association with Wikifur would be the same, to me, as putting my name in association with the Bush administration ... the disconnect between sound bytes and claims, and what is actually done is pretty much the same, come to think of it. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: Then you shouldn't have put your name here. Duh. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::: No one warned me ahead of time what Wikifur really supports. I regret the liason I made and the work I have done for wikifur. I think I've made that abundantly clear by now. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 08:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::: Oh well! Sucks to be you. Anyway, we're done here, I think, with the edits I made. Bye! --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== would it be ok if I... ==
would be ok if I asked someone (or two, or three...) to tell me (write down an article about perhaps) what exactly happened in this whole situation in an unbiased way? I'm curious why each people here reach their current and past opinions on this matter, what led people into acusations complains and antagonizing behavior and stuff, but I understand if my request is denied--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 22:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:That may be hard, because many people regularly involved in the wiki were involved with this, including myself. :-)
:Essentially, Chibiabos wanted a large amount of privacy and control over the display of certain accusations about their life and activities, but also wanted a lack of privacy and control for others (most notably [[Sibe]]) that they deemed not to deserve it. Several people saw that as hypocritical, and thought Chibiabos was "rule-lawyering". There are usually problems when the community thinks that one party is trying to take an unfair privilege and I think that was the issue here.
:There were other issues involving the presence of certain articles, and accusations that WikiFur was promoting activities by failing to remove or reword our descriptions of them - descriptions which others saw as quite reasonable. They decided to make their own articles in response. This didn't work out well.
:Ultimately it became a case of "you can't get everything you want all the time, and if you whine about that long enough people will get annoyed and you no-one will even listen to you." At which point they decided to take their toys and go home. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:: mmm...so basicly, regardless of if the original accusations were based on the truth or not, the issue was the person wanted to have the page with their accusations protected and the pages of the accused be unprotected and baiting vandalism, did I got it right? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 03:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'd have to agree with that discription of events. -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 04:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

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== List of articles ==

[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] has requested that the following entries, which he created about his characters, be deleted from WikiFur:

*[[Chibiabos]] and [[User:Chibiabos]]
*[[Jolt]]
*[[Londikin]]
*[[Londikin (Haven MUSH)]]
*[[Londikin (Spheres MUX)]]
*[[Londikin (Meadows MUCK)]]
*[[Kunagnos]]
*[[Mahxissa]]
*[[Zetan]]
*[[Fortivirago]]
*[[Ironhoof]]
*[[Strongheart]]
*[[Klondike]]
*[[Terrayme]]

== Discussion ==

Over on [[User_talk:Chibiabos|his user talk page]], Chibiabos has requested that articles about himself, his creative works, and his characters be blanked (there is a specific list there).

As I said on [[User talk:Spirou]], as the character articles are about roleplayed characters with distinct identities, histories, species, ''et cetera'', I support keeping them and keeping them as separate articles. The pattern here is for such characters to have their own articles unless there is a very small, unexpandable amount of information, or the character is primarily a fursona. I don't think either of those points apply in this case.

More generally, while I wouldn't argue that these articles are of any very significant import (although in a number of cases they are about characters on [[:Category:Multiplayer worlds|multiplayer worlds]] which have since closed, and information about such is worth preserving) I am made uncomfortable by the thought that articles not about a person themselves could be deleted due to a (former) contributor's request. I think that would be a bad precedent to set.

-- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

:The idea is well argued (I retired my request for Spd based on it,) the only thing I pointed out later is that if it would to serve a better purpose for cross-reference to have them (the characters) being consolidated in one page, which then it would be linked to his article (even i it's locked.)

:More or less the same solution we did with the [[Anthroness]] characters, were they were consolidated into a single article ([[The_Anthroness_(characters)]],) then linked to the main article. just my two cents on ye matter =)

:-- (Spirou at a remote station) [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 19:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't see a reason to consolidate the characters into a single article, as they're not related other than by having been created by the same person. I don't think The Anthroness characters form a parallel case, as those were extremely short, list-format articles on characters from the same comic. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:::"I don't think The Anthroness characters form a parallel case, as those were extremely short, list-format articles on characters from the same comic," ah, I forgot that logical angle. All right then , I retract my suggestion of character article consolidation. Which brings us to the crux of the matter: Removal as asked by owner, claiming intellectual property?, or inclusion on Wikifur as furry historical data?. My opinion?: Abstain, not due to intellectual or copyright reasons, but due to getting too involved in matters related to said individual,...

:::--(Spirou at a remote station) [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 20:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

::::We shouldn't just remove a person's contributions if they leave. However, I feel that characters can be a private detail about a person, and as such are covered under the personal information policy unless otherwise notable (for example, if they were a member of a comic like [[Miss Mab]] it might be appropriate to record their in-comic details). These are not comic characters - they are personal characters. I therefore think these should be deleted. We would delete the same information if it was on the page about them, after all. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::I strongly disagree that these characters are personal; they were roleplayed on publically-accessible multiplayer worlds, and I would say are thus in essence story characters. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::Not all the worlds were publicly accessible; you had to register for an account in some. I was the primary contributor, and in most cases the only one with the exception of minor edits and "seed stubs" created by GreenReaper gleaned by my furvey. You're welcome to revert to those if you absolutely must irritate me by continuing to associate my furriness with wikifur. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Did you ever use any of the names as aliases in public writing? If so, I would argue that those should stay. [[User:733|733]]

::::::::Not one of them would fit the bill to be an article on wikipedia. The only reason to keep them is to continue to irk me, and it does a good job of that. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 22:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I stayed out of this from the beginning since I didn't know enough on the topic to take sides (I also dislike conflict), but it's been 3 months, and I'd like to see this issue resolved ASAP. I think that the character pages should be deleted, as I strongly believe they are personal creations - whether or not they were played in a 'public' realm, they are still the intellectual property of the owner. Would the same standard be applied to fursonas being RPed as characters on [[Tapestries]] or [[Furry MUCK]]? Seeing as how we allow fursona names to be protected-excluded (as opposed to only real life names), I think not. I'd be very upset myself if someone said [[Spaz Kitty]], Sumu, or any of my other roleplayed-creations weren't my "personal" character, but rather a publicly-owned concept.
:::::::::As such, I believe that all of Chibiabos' characters should be removed if he so desires them to be. While I do support the gathering of information, particularly with past MUCKs, I see this as counterproductive - to me, links from characters on MUCK listings to the player may help reconnect old RP-partners, but when the player of a character has decided to remove themselves from WikiFur, then the aforementioned purpose is no longer achievable. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I for one did not suggest that characters become a publically-owned concept. I do, however, think that information about characters should remain publically available, once that information has been made available.

As I believe I stated somewhere above, or other discussions, I am very bothered by the precent of removing someone's contributions solely because they left in a snit fit; it seems to be giving in to spite.

While re-connecting people from multiplayer worlds or other activities is an interesting and laudable effect, my understanding of WikiFur is that it is a collection of information, not a directory, and such connections are not a purpose here. (Not indenting to cut down on squishing.) -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 17:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:I formally, fully and completely cancel, refuse and refute any and all rights for "Wikifur" or any other website or webservice, to maintain, retain, or republish my creative works and/or creations in whole or in part, including those I may have contributed to such websites or webservices in the past. Regardless of legal enforceability, any continued storing of any of my creative works constitutes a violation of my specific and explicit wishes.

:I do this as my only means of protest of general issues of imbalanced and whitewashed articles on pro-piracy and pro-bullying groups and websites, Wikifur continues to maintain personal sexual harrassment against me in several article talk pages and has refused to do anything about it, but when I refuted bogus points (either made up or meaninglessly selectively applied) made in support of deleting articles I had written which documented artists' explicit refusals of unauthorized redistributions (contradicting the bogus "Do Not Post lists means we aren't pirating" claims made by some piracy websites), I was banned from WikiFur. Having a point of view that is different from the majority on Wikifur is a offense by banning, but sexual harrassment of someone who isn't popular is rewarded with official Wikifur administration liasons and protection of their whitewashed articles. This behavior, which has not changed, I will not support, condone, tolerate nor associate with in any way, shape nor form.

:I fail to see how any of my 'character articles' offer anything significant to Wikifur and their continued presence is in defiance -- whether willful or merely neglectful -- of my request over my own creative works I made months ago. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 10:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

::As noted in [[WikiFur:Copyrights]], you cannot retract the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) under which written work is submitted to WikiFur. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Wikifur admin has violated Wikifur's own Term of Service in very bad faith and as such, no contractual agreement I made, expressed or implied, is valid. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Er... I don't think that's how contracts/license agreements work. Using your logic, I could get out of paying for Windows because it keeps crashing. ;-) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: You could probably demand a refund, if the crashes are due to defects in the software. We have not paid Chibiabos anything for their work, though, and in the lack of [[Wikipedia:Consideration|consideration]] (the legal technical term) there is no contract. The GFDL is however a license, and not a contract. It is not clear to me whether or not the legal right to revoke a non-exclusive license exists. It is a big issue that nobody here has the background to address. A decision here should probably be based on whether it's morally the right thing to do rather than whether or not there is the right to demand it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm leaning toward excluding it. Even though GFDL can't be retracted, admins of WikiFur can choose not to host a particular GFDL document. And the characters will still be listed on the pages for the MUCKs, so it's not like we're hiding anything. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::: The logic behind the demands is faulty but I think it's the best thing for all concerned if they're just deleted and the issue is closed. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: I can think of some much stronger words to say with respect to this matter, but all I'll say is that I'm on the same side as Lynn Onyx on this, for the sake of conclusion. If someone else recreates them in the future, that's not WikiFur's problem. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 15:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::Scani, could you elaborate on "If someone else recreates them in the future, that's not WikiFur's problem."? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::I'll do my best, Sine... my argument pretty much falls along the lines of notability on this site (which I know has been disposed of as compared to Wikipedia, but still). Quoting Chibiabos earlier in the discussion:
::::::''I fail to see how any of my 'character articles' offer anything significant to Wikifur...'' (I personally find this remark kind of funny considering they were posted in the first place, but I digress.)
::::::When a player posts character articles, they really don't have a claim to notability, because clearly your own creations will have FAR more importance to you. We've established on the site that this level of notability is okay for posting articles. However, if someone else came along and created articles on those same characters, that establishes a higher level of notability. In the former case, requests to delete are justifiable. In the latter case, this is less so, with the justification for deleting decreasing as more people edit the article and take an interest in the subject, establishing a public interest which WikiFur shouldn't interfere with; hence why I say that if there's been notability established by someone else creating an article, it's not their responsibility to argue with WikiFur admins. They need to argue with the fandom at large, an argument they'll likely lose. ''In this particular case,'' I don't think very much of that public interest was established, which strongly suggests a '''delete'''. ''That having been said'', I don't think that this has been handled in an appropriate fashion by the petitioner, to the point where it's admittedly gotten me more prejudiced than I should be in this discussion. It reeks of a bad 180 to write your own articles, and then pull them due to protest against the site - which I think is really the only reason. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 21:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::The administrators' behavior was extremely inappropriate. Articles I have written, such as the list of explicit artists' limitations on redistribution of their work, was deleted because a) to retaliate against me and b) because it contradicts the pro-piracy articles Wikifur administrators protect and refute articles which demonstrate contradiction to claimst of pirate groups. I have every right to protest Wikifur's abusive behavior ... in fact, it would be wrong of me to silently accept it. I had no idea when I wrote the articles just what sort of organization I would be associating with in Wikifur, one whose own administrator is a supporting member of a group dedicated to stalking and harrassing furs and even allows and protects members of that group to commit sexual harrassment within wikifur itself. What really reeks is to have a set of rules and break them as part of a mob mentality to attack and ensure imbalance against unpopular furs. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: You say you had "no idea just what sort of organization" you'd be associating with. And yet every time you edit the page, you saw: ''Please note that all contributions to WikiFur are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see [[WikiFur:Copyrights]] for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.'' I'm at a loss to figure out why you think that license in any way is dependent upon the personalites of, and your opinions of, the administrators and editors of this wiki.
:::::::: It's not. WikiFur maintains the legal and ethical right to use anything you have submitted under the terms of that license. As such, what you are requesting is '''a favor from the WikiFur administrators'''. The more you continue to insult the WikiFur editors, the less likely anyone is to grant you that favor. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: At this point, you're the only one dictating and cementing your own unpopularity, which if you're not careful is going to ensure that your request isn't honoured. Regardless of whether the administrators choose to remove your articles or not, you have not endeared yourself to anybody following this discussion, including myself, and I don't even consider myself part of what some cynics would consider a "WikiFur cabal". --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::::: You are correct I am dictating and cementing my unpopularity, and with an organization like Wikifur, I would not wish it otherwise. I do not want to be popular nor associated with a group that supports and protects pirates and bullies, to the point of not only allowing whitewashing of their articles but their actual administration being active participants and supporters of their groups and, on Wikifur itself, reverting any articles pointing out the fallacious claims of harmlessness by such groups and deleting articles which document complaint and damages done to furry artists and fandom members by these groups. This is inherently unethical anti-wiki. I neither desire nor value popularity among unethical people, though I will not claim I am immune to the effects. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 11:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Scani. That is very clear. I think most of these particular items are sufficiently notable (I left comments on at least some of article talk pages to that effect) for inclusion here, but my main objection, and an extremely strong one, is to WikiFur removing a contribution at someone's request. There is an exception whre information is removed after someone is granted personal exclusion, which we have a defined policy for. (As it happens, I disagree with our practice of personal exclusion, but that is another matter to be discussed in its own space.) -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:The continued inclusion of the articles only has value to those who stalk and harrass me by persuing my roleplayed "alts." Unfortunately, its not really a surpise to me anymore that Wikifur supports such behavior. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::My objection is strengthened by the fact that Chibabos, [[User talk:Chibiabos#Cooling_down_period|having been given a temporary ban on editing, stated "If you aren't going to restore my ability to contribute to wikifur, then I formally request each and every contribution I've made to Wikifur be erased and struck."]] My assumption is this is the attitude behind the request for personal exclusion (which was granted in accordance with policy) and [[User_talk:Chibiabos#List_of_pages_formally_requested_to_be_blanked|the request of other pages to be blanked]], which has been followed by repeated demands and which we are discussing here. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:::But you have no objection to there was no problem in deleting an article I was working on which contradicted the whitewashed articls on "Do Not Post" piracy groups like fchan that give the exact phrasage used by artists iterating their desire to not have their work redistributed without their express consent. The article was deleted completely even though it documented -dozens- of furry artists and their official word on the subject ... you can't get much more relevant nor better referenced than that, but articles that have no relevance and don't even have reference are kept and maintained to retaliate against me. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Psst. Stop talking. Every time you open your mouth, you say something else that makes us reconsider whether to do this. If you'd stop digging yourself deeper into a hole, we'd probably just reach consensus and get this resolved. But every time you introduce yet another spurious bit of illogic, it prolongs the process even further. You've made your request. We're talking about it. Just let the system work. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: "Every time you open your mouth, you say something else that makes us reconsider whether to do this." You just proved my point that the reason my request isn't being abided has nothing to do with whether or not the articles I wish to have deleted are relevant, are cited, or any of the other professional criteria (which none of them are) ... they kept solely in personal retaliation against me. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 11:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Once more you're missing the point. You have NO right to demand what you want. What you are requesting is a FAVOR. Nobody is OBLIGATED to do you favors. The more you call the editors of this wiki unethical, claim that the admins support sexual harassment, and generally insult people, the less likely people are to grant you any kind of favors.
:::::: If you were acting reasonably and cooperating, this could have been taken care of a while ago. However, you chose to throw insults and unsurprisingly, the editors who contribute to the wiki are not feeling particularly charitable. You are your own worst enemy. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::: And once again you simultaneously miss and prove my point. I'm not going to call a crook a saint ... every admin here from Greenreaper on down have repeatedly attempted to force me to simply accept that articles countering bullying and piracy will not be tolerated on Wikifur when a popular majority supports acts if piracy or bullying. The rules here are an agreement agreed to by its participants, and when you decide the rules don't apply just because someone isn't well liked and breaking rules claiming fairness or balance for personal retaliation against someone, that is neither reasonable nor cooperative on your part, regardless if its the actions of a majority of those here at Wikifur including the administration. I will not be reaonsable nor cooperative with liars, hypocrits and bullies and do not expect me to change my behavior regardless of how many liars, hypocrits and bullies are in the mob. Being cooperative with bullies would make me an accessory, and I refuse to be one again.

::::::: The '''only''' reason these articles are maintained here is to help individuals stalk and harrass me outside of Wikifur. If that's the behavior you are going to publicly and consciously endorse instead of just unconsciously with your go-with-the-flow mob tirade that gives you a false sense of being in the right, don't blame me if I do what I can to make you feel uncomfortable in realizing what it is you are doing. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 20:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

== Poll-type format ==
Would it be appropriate to use the Keep/Delete poll-type format to assist conclusion of this issue, mayhaps? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

: Agreed. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 07:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed Compromise ==

Let's just edit the articles and remove the references to 'played by the same person as [[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]]'. This maintains the integrity of WikiFur, doesn't concede to [[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]]'s unreasonable demands, but also satisifies his desire that these not be "used to stalk and harass" him. Especially since he has asked to be personally excluded, and that has been granted. Therefore let's remove the references to him as a person. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 03:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Being Bold ===

Okay, I made the following changes:

*[[Chibiabos]] and [[User:Chibiabos]] -- ''already blanked''
*[[Jolt]] -- ''entry doesn't exist''
*[[Londikin]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Haven MUSH)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Spheres MUX)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Londikin (Meadows MUCK)]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Kunagnos]] -- ''no change needed, doesn't refer to Chibiabos''
*[[Mahxissa]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Zetan]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and link to alt.lifestyle.furry post''
*[[Fortivirago]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Ironhoof]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and several other players''
*[[Strongheart]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos''
*[[Klondike]] -- ''entry doesn't exist''
*[[Terrayme]] -- ''removed reference to Chibiabos and link to alt.lifestyle.furry post''

I have also removed all the <nowiki>{{speedydelete}}</nowiki> templates from these pages, as (a) there's been nothing speedy about this process, and there isn't a pressing need to delete these pages anyway. (I'd say that the Londikin entries should be merged and the disambig page removed, but really, that's a minor issue).

[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]], does this satisfy your desire to have your personal information removed? Other WikiFur editors, do these edits seem acceptable to you? --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 02:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:Aren't these articles still just vanity articles about my characters? There's nothing verifiable about them and I remain the most significant contributor to each of them ... on just about any other wiki, writing articles about yourself is considered bad. Here, where it isn't, why can't you simply have them withdrawn if you no longer wish to participate? Ulterior motivations aside, were it a matter of wiki principles, there's no real solid reason for Wikifur to retain them at all ... there's no references to the information they contain (no posted logfiles of the characters demonstrating the claimed traits), nothing to verify the information I put in them, and no way anyone could balance them. In fact, there's no real evidence to verify any of those characters actually existed on the MU*s I claimed them to be. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 08:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:: ... okay, so now you're suddenly concerned with the ''integrity'' of Wikifur. And not about harassment, which was the issue I addressed. Way to move the goal posts. BTW, [[Lynn Onyx|my character page]] is likewise unsourced. You think it should be removed too? This is getting silly. You don't get to take your ball and go home, period. That's not how wikis work, not this one, and not any others.
:: If you have objections to the edits, please state exactly how they fail to satisfy this complaint of yours: ''The '''only''' reason these articles are maintained here is to help individuals stalk and harrass me outside of Wikifur.'' I realize you won't do this, as you've promised to be uncooperative. But like many other people on this wiki community, I too am running out of patience with your trolling. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 16:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Wikifur '''has no integrity''' for me to protect, I'm just arguing from the perspective of a wiki since my personal appeals to protect myself have no effect. Wikifur destroyed any patience I had left long ago when Wikifur admin reverted every edit I tried to make to articles that whitewashed pirate and bully groups that I have either experienced directly or know to have caused serious damage to furs and the fandom, even when I referenced the information using links to posts in their own forums. An admin even dared me to try again on channel after reverting my edits and locking an article ... but instead, I tried starting a new set of articles documenting the harm these groups have brought to the fandom and the truth behind the "Do Not Post" list claim by pirate groups as being adequate to meeting artist's requests, when in fact a large number of furry artists have officially decried them and explicitly stated on their websites or newsgroup posts that they do not want their work copied and reposted without their permission. The mob's response -- admin and 'regular' wikifur user alike -- was to state the articles were "inappropriate" for wikifur and at least one of them has been completely deleted by Wikifur admin as a result. Greenreaper is a contributing member of one of the bully groups whose articles are whitewashed and admin protected against balancing out. In retailiation, on several talk pages throughout Wikifur, disgusting false sexual accusations have been made against me, and they still remain thanks to Wikifur admin. I must accept this since there's nothign I can do about it, and of course that's fine and acceptable to you because you don't like me ... that tells me all I need to know about your character and those who go along with this in silent acceptance. I've put up with this mob activity for many months, and yet I'm the troll and you're the one whose patience has been lost? I've been way too patient and way too silent for way too long. Be careful for what company you keep and what behavior you associate yourself with. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Time for some motivational talk. From [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]:
::: ''"WikiFur is about furries and the furry fandom. WikiFur is a public resource where people - both furries and non-furries - are able to come to and learn about both the fandom '''and those in it.''' This means that we do have articles on people in the fandom, even if they are not regarded as particularly significant."''
::: It then goes on to mention that this is why people are allowed to write their own articles. Personally, I'd rather have someone else writing the article on me - but I'm also aware that if it was not in place, we would only have a very small selection of people on this Wiki. I'm going to go out on a limb here - I don't represent WikiFur in any official capacity, but this is just my personal line of thought - and say that having this allowance EMPOWERS the many other people other than the Kages and the 2s in the fandom like you, me, and everyone else who should be credited as the REAL drivers of the furry fandom, regardless of how much they've actually done. As such, whether you want your articles to be kept or deleted, there is ALWAYS a good reason for someone to be listed here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 18:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:::: Sure, there are reasons, but are the reasons good or bad? What reason is there to list someone's characters who doesn't want to be listed? No one knows all the characters I have roleplayed, no one individual has roleplayed with them all. A few close friends are familiar with many of them, but they would never go against my wishes and put, detail or list them in a place I do not want to be associated with. Associating me with Wikifur is harmful to me because of what Wikifur really stands for (in contrast to what it claims or states to stand for) and the activity of both its administration and the majority of its users. Putting my name in association with Wikifur would be the same, to me, as putting my name in association with the Bush administration ... the disconnect between sound bytes and claims, and what is actually done is pretty much the same, come to think of it. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 23:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

::::: Then you shouldn't have put your name here. Duh. --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::: No one warned me ahead of time what Wikifur really supports. I regret the liason I made and the work I have done for wikifur. I think I've made that abundantly clear by now. --[[User:71.217.92.163|71.217.92.163]] 08:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::: Oh well! Sucks to be you. Anyway, we're done here, I think, with the edits I made. Bye! --[[User:Lynn Onyx|Lynn Onyx]] 15:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== would it be ok if I... ==
would be ok if I asked someone (or two, or three...) to tell me (write down an article about perhaps) what exactly happened in this whole situation in an unbiased way? I'm curious why each people here reach their current and past opinions on this matter, what led people into acusations complains and antagonizing behavior and stuff, but I understand if my request is denied--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 22:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

:That may be hard, because many people regularly involved in the wiki were involved with this, including myself. :-)
:Essentially, Chibiabos wanted a large amount of privacy and control over the display of certain accusations about their life and activities, but also wanted a lack of privacy and control for others (most notably [[Sibe]]) that they deemed not to deserve it. Several people saw that as hypocritical, and thought Chibiabos was "rule-lawyering". There are usually problems when the community thinks that one party is trying to take an unfair privilege and I think that was the issue here.
:There were other issues involving the presence of certain articles, and accusations that WikiFur was promoting activities by failing to remove or reword our descriptions of them - descriptions which others saw as quite reasonable. They decided to make their own articles in response. This didn't work out well.
:Ultimately it became a case of "you can't get everything you want all the time, and if you whine about that long enough people will get annoyed and you no-one will even listen to you." At which point they decided to take their toys and go home. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

:: mmm...so basicly, regardless of if the original accusations were based on the truth or not, the issue was the person wanted to have the page with their accusations protected and the pages of the accused be unprotected and baiting vandalism, did I got it right? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 03:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Forum:What is it called when someone...

2007-06-10T22:45:56Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

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[[Category:Help desk]]



what is it called when someone is a furry and they don't know it? Or when they are new to the Furry fandom? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Ductapegang|Ductapegang]] ([[User talk:Ductapegang|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ductapegang|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:I would use those words to describe it. No real need to make up a word for it. :-) Both happen often. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:: how about "closet fur(ry)" and "newbie fur(ry)" ? --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 22:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Forum:Chibiabos' requests for blanking

2007-06-10T22:39:18Z

Tigro Spottystripes: asked ffor an unbiased summed up versiuon of the whole story

Talk:Furry

2007-04-28T17:22:16Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* what's with all the revertion and stuff? */

Talk:Furry

2007-04-28T17:21:38Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* what's with all the revertion and stuff? */

I have seen non-furries at AnthroCon asking what a furry is, and at least once had asked me as well. Trying to answer the question is a very tricky subject without some line of reference that most people can relate to commonly. For me when describing what furries are, I ask them in return "Have you ever watched Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny?" And wait for their answers on that. I go on to tell tham that some furries are like those characters, or think of similar characters of their own devising as their alter egos. Everyone at Anthrocon basically has their own answers for the question, and some do not use anthromporhic animals as their fursonas. It may also fall into the catagory of "furry fandom", but I find that answering the question of "What is a furry" using Bugs Bunny as a reference point so people can make the link themselves with less confusion. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 10:18, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure, either. Wikipedia links mostly to the [[Wikipedia:Furry fandom|furry fandom]] and [[Wikipedia:Furry lifestyle|furry lifestyle]] pages, but we might not want to follow them, although we can always use information from those pages to construct stuff here (with proper attribution - see the bottom of [[Tapestries MUCK]]). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:07, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Protected Status==
I'm wondering why the entry for "furry" was closed for editing? After all, what better way to attempt to define the meaning of furry than to allow the multitudes to come to some sort of collaborative definition?

:A short line: Trolls attacking it multiple times and vandalizing or defacing it. Same difference. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 22:54, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I think it's overkill to keep it protected. I'd unprotect it and watch it for vandalism; there are enough eyes on the article to revert anything bad in a short time. [[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] 22:59, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Is there a way for it to be protected to only be edited by logged-in members or something more secure?--[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 23:13, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Semiprotection (editing restricted to logged in users) has been proposed for MediaWiki but as far as I know it has not been implemented. [[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] 23:15, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::In fact, yes. However, it is usually better to list the information you want to add in this page and if it is workable, it'll go up. In this case, I will bring it to another admin's view for a second opinion. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]
::::After a short exchange, it has been decided to unlock it for a short time to see what happens. If it proves unworkable, it will again be locked and it would then be best to propose your edits here on the talk page. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]
:::::I just tried editing it and it says it's still locked. The edit button shows up now, though.

::::::It shows as unprotected on my end. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 18:42, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:In fact, this page <s>''is''</s> was protected, but <s>can</s> could still be edited by normal users by editing the template contained upon it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:27, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::It has not needed to be be protected recently. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:33, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Draft text ==

Within the [[furry fandom]], the word "furry" has several of specialized meanings. The following definitions are relatively uncontentious.
* A '''furry character''' is any [[:Category:Characters|character]] combining human and animal characteristics, commonly abbreviated as a "furry". This is the core meaning from which others derive.
* A '''furry fan''' is a [[:Category:People|person]] who is a member of the [[furry fandom]], a specific [[Wikipedia:subculture|subculture]] dating from the 1980s and focused around furry characters. Both "furry fan" and "furry fandom" are each commonly abbreviated to "furry".
As an adjective, "furry" can also indicate a relationship to furry characters or furry fans, as in "[[furry art]]" or "[[Conventions|furry convention]]".

It may seem reasonable to define "furry fan" to include any person with an interest in furry characters. However, this can be hugely contentious for individuals who are interested in furry characters but are unwilling to be identified with the specific [[furry fandom]]. Approaches to defuse this conflict include variant definitions:
* A '''furry fan''' is anyone who identifies as a member of the specific [[furry fandom]]. In other words, a furry is anyone who chooses the label, and only those who do.
* A '''furry character''' is more narrowly defined to only encompass characters created by people within the fandom, or in artistic styles popular within the fandom. Terms such as "[[funny animal]]" or "[[Anthropomorphic|anthro]]" are then used to indicate animal characters, avoiding the term "furry".

::I would agree with the above, but I think we should mention the fan/[[lifestyler]] distinction - perhaps another paragraph in the "variant" definitions section:
*A '''furry lifestyler''' or merely a '''furry''' (person) is someone whose interest in animals (not necessarily anthropomorphic) goes beyond mere enjoyment of artwork and stories about them, but which has a spiritual or emotional aspect to it. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 10:25, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== FAH ==

http://www.foxes.de/FAH/ Furries against hunting -- maybe it should have an article. I don't feel like writing it, but if someone wants to, here it is. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 16:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

== How to be a Furry - Anti-furry site in disguise? ==

[http://ihaveaplan.be/furryTut/furryTut/whyBeFurry.html How to be a Furry] is a website someone linked on a Facebook Furry group thread in reference to their apprehension about "asking" to be let into the furry fandom because they didn't quite fit what rules the website had set out for them, particularly in regards to his [http://ihaveaplan.be/furryTut/furryTut/fursona.html fursona] and what it meant in regards to his sexuality. I think some attention should be brought to this website somehow, as it was apparently briefly listed on Wikipedia's Furry page as a legitimate tutorial. Input from others? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'm going to call nonsense on it. Looks like someone's snarky idea of a joke. Not particularly funny (or original. how ironic.).
:Do you have a link to this person's question on Facebook? Sounds like a naieve soul needs set straight. :-/ [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Wikipedia's furry article? Oh that article has always been a mess. Oh yeah that how to be a furry is a joke and I thought I saw it featured from a crush yiff destroy article. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

: I would classify the "How to be a Furry" article as satire. It should not be treated as actual reference material. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Awfully acidic satire. The unwarranted overly cynical tone destroys any satirical humor that may have been there. If people aren't getting the (ahem) "joke" then perhaps we should do something (don't really know what, though) but it'd probably be best to leave that guy in his little corner fuming about...[[Xydexx#Quotations|cartoon characters]]. *shakes head* [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::The person clarified that it wasn't Wikipedia, but /WikiFur/, where he found the link to the website. I checked, and it's still listed as a "humorous" link on [[Fursona]]. I changed the wording to "parodying" to make it more clear that this isn't meant to be taken seriously. But in my opinion, it needs to be removed as a reference link to the article entirely, to prevent further misinterpretations. [[User:24.241.49.173|24.241.49.173]] 00:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC) (SpazKitty not logged in)

: This was the work of a DeviantArt user, u63r - the original is located [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/31135582/ here]. [[CYD]] administration approached u63r and offered to host the document. Please use the URL http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/furryTut/ to save poor Dos' bandwidth. For those of you who don't clock on every cycle, this is indeed a work of satire. --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 23:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

== Page to introduce someone to the Furry Fandom ==

I think that this page should be the best that it could, because it is likely to be the one that non-furs and some parents read.

I was reading a Furtopia post about a reaction to a Wikifur article. http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin/ib311/ikonboard.cgi?s=aff1dbf8803a7349984b93abada26e10;act=ST;f=48;t=25588

Red Reynart writes, "Finally! and every thing goes horrible wrong. Yes you heard me horrible wrong! I went to Wikifur printed off an article on the furry fandom. Gave it to my parents to read because there always too busy to have time to explain anything to. Wow What happen is that they thought that ist was nothing more than a cult and all about porn. I have no clue how on earth they interpreted it like that for I read it and there was nothing wrong with it nor what it said. But I went back to the website and just about every article on that site was deleted! It took me a long time to explain every thing in detail on my own words to not continue a big debate. ...."
: I guess you're talking about a page for ME, indeed. I'm not a fur. I wanted to know what it means. There's something enourmous missing from this article: it's clearly not just about anthropomorphizing animals, if that were all tere was to it then fursuits wouldn'[t all look like cartoon characters. I'm just taking a wild guess, here, but I have the distinct feeling that if someone showed up at FurCon in a painstakingly realistic fursuit, they wouldn't exactly be the life of the party but instead perceived and treated as a gauche, ostracized faux-pas dork or partypooper. Well, what's the real story here? Are we talking about animals or cartoons characters? I can't figure it out and it's a gigantic missing element. Thanks for any info [[User:68.123.29.19|68.123.29.19]] 00:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==work in progress==
I would like to suggest that this page be an introduction for the public-at-large. I don't mean for us to lie and say that the fandom is perfect, but an erotic image doesn't need to included in the section '''Sexuality''' to make a point. With or without sex some of the public-at-large will still find us weird if we don't describe how people get and stay interested in furries. My family and some of my friend would refer to anime as cartoons and say that anime is for children.

My ideas for this page come from [http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin/ib311/ikonboard.cgi?s=aff1dbf8803a7349984b93abada26e10;act=ST;f=48;t=25588 a furtopia post] about someone giving the Wikifur - furry article to a parent.

Also, the front page of Wikifur has a permanent link to this article. It should be the best article here.

==What it means to be furry==
I think the entire "What it means to be Furry" section needs to be re-worded. It sounds like someone wrote it shortly after being teased or watching "Fur and Loathing". It has a very bitter and childish tone. [[User:Omnibahumut|Omnibahumut]]
:In in infinite boredom at work, I made a change myself [[User:Omnibahumut|Omnibahumut]] 15:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== what's with all the revertion and stuff? ==

I'm confused, why I keep getting notifications the article got modified and when I go to see the changes it doesn't show any changes beside some reversion, either I don't understand how this work as well as I thought I did, or this is broken somehow....
* ok, I went to check the history and apparently it shows more than the link in the emails show, now I just need to figure out why the email link doesn't show the modifications too...--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 17:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Furry

2007-04-28T17:16:19Z

Tigro Spottystripes: what's with all the revertion and stuff?

Furry

2007-03-30T22:28:06Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Other contexts of Furry */ rewrote the last line to try to make it more clear that there are more than what is listed there

The word '''furry''' has several meanings, dependent on the context in which it is used. Predominantly, it pertains to an interest in [[Anthropomorphic| anthropomorphic animals]] and/or mythological or imaginary creatures which possess human or superhuman capabilities. The plural form of furry in all its contexts is ''furs'' or ''furries''; the subjects of furry interest are also known as [[furries]].

== What it means to ''be'' furry ==
Thanks to the public eye, such as an article in [[Vanity Fair]] and the television program ''[[CSI]]'', furries are often stereotyped as an overweight middle-aged guy with a [[bestiality]] [[fetish]] and a habit of dressing up in [[fursuit]]s and "getting it on" with poor, defenseless [[plush toy|plushie]]s in holes they dug in the forest before eating berries, though most recognize that as somewhat of an exaggerated stereotype. Someone who says they are furry is generally expressing an interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or creatures. How deep or meaningful that interest is varies greatly from person to person. Also, the breadth of a person's interest in the fandom, and what ultimately makes them furry, is specific to each individual. Below is a list of common interests with which a fur is likely to identify. A furry may be interested in any or all of them, to any degree.

Someone claiming to be furry would also be part of the [[furry fandom]].

=== Interests ===
====Cartoons and Games====
Interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or creatures can be as simple as the many popular furry cartoon characters, known as [[funny animal]]s. These may include [[Bugs Bunny]], [[Tony the Tiger]], [[Sly Cooper]], [[Star Fox]], etc. However, someone who merely happens to like these characters is not necessarily a furry; the degree and nature of one's interest is relevant here.

====Spirituality====
Some furs believe they have a spiritual connection to a particular animal which is typically their [[fursona]], but also may be a [[totem]]. Strong spiritual believers may often say that they are "an animal in a human body" (and in fact may identify themselves as [[Otherkin]], [[Were]]s and/or [[Therian]]s). [[Lifestyler|Furry lifestylers]] often fall into this category.

====Art and Creativity====
Some furs may be interested only in the creative aspects of the furry fandom. Furry content, both online and off, is easy to obtain, and available in vast amounts, and furs produce new works regularly. Furry artwork is also done by many nonfurries as well in targeting the fandom. Others may disassociate themselves from the fandom and refer to themselves as funny animal artists. Furries may also enjoy [[role-playing]] a particular furry character or fursona, sometimes writing about this character or recording their online interactions for posterity.

====[[Fursuiting]]====
A relatively common practice among furries is to dress up in a costume that is typically designed after a fursona. These "[[fursuits]]" are usually worn at [[conventions]], and a few are even designed to accommodate sexual situations.

====Sexuality====
To some furs, the sexual [[Xenophilia|attraction]] to anthropomorphic animals is a part of what makes them furry. This is a topic of much controversy, as it has been the subject of early media attention (such as that from [[Wired|Wired Magazine]] and [[Vanity Fair]]), and has spawned a few groups (such as the [[Burned Furs]]) with a desire to shame or suppress those who display their philias in public.

== Other contexts of Furry ==
From within the fandom, anything classified as an anthropomorphic animal and/or creature could be called a furry. That could be anything from [[Scooby Doo]] to various sports mascots to [[Omaha the Cat Dancer]]. Since mainstream characters are generally not created with furries in mind, the furry context is presumed by most outsiders to not be present despite subcultural interest.

Any art showcasing anthropomorphic animals is generally considered furry artwork. Artwork that contains furries in sexual situations may be called [[yiff]] or [[spooge]] art.
Among the vaious types of anthropomorphic creatures are [[dragons]] and [[lizards]] (also known as "[[scalies]]"), [[gryphon]]s, and [[taur]]s (centaurs being the prime example).

== See also ==
*[[Furries]]
*[[Furry fan]]
*[[Furry fandom]]
*[[Fursuit|Fursuiter]]
*[[Furvert]]
*[[Lifestyler]]
*[[wikipedia:Furry|Furry]] on [[Wikipedia]]
*[[Affection]] - a commentary on physical affection among furs
*[http://www.slhistory.org/index.php/Anthro Furry] on the SL History Wiki

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/intro.html PeterCat's Furry InfoPage]
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/furfaq.txt FAQ] for [[alt.fan.furry]]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry]

[[Category:Terms]]
[[Category:Culture]]
[[fi:Turri]]

Category talk:Sounds

2007-03-05T08:22:08Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* "Tchktling" */ frogot to sign, fixed

Category talk:Sounds

2007-03-05T08:21:34Z

Tigro Spottystripes: "Tchktling"

File talk:Pawphi.png

2007-02-20T04:59:52Z

Tigro Spottystripes: the license

== the license ==

does this variation of the phipaw really has such a restrictive license choosen by the author?

PhiPaw

2007-02-13T21:45:10Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Usage */ fixed a typo

{{Current}}
{{unreferenced}}
[[Image:Pawphi.png|right|thumb|100px|A proposed version of the PhiPhaw symbol]]
The '''PhiPaw''' is a [[Wikipedia:Symbol|symbol]] proposed by some [[Yiffstar]] [[furry]] members as an universal [[furry fandom]] identifying emblem, to be used by furs for various applied reasons and/or situations.

== History ==

The initial suggestion and discussion for this concept occurred in January 2007 on the Yiffstar's forums, on a thread entitled "''Some discreet way of telling others we're furry''." After a general consensus of using a "symbol" as a way to achieve this, an image combining or juxtaposing the [[Wikipedia:Greek_alphabet|Greek letter]] [[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]] with a [[fox]] [[paw]]print icon was deemed as the most ideal solution.

"Phi" (upper case Φ or <math>\Phi</math>; lower case φ, <math>\phi</math> or <math>\varphi</math>) was selected as it represents both the letter "[[Wikipedia:F|F]]" in the modern Greek language ("'''F'''"urry,) and the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which some Yiffstar users perceive is a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.{{fact}}

As of February 2007, discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all are still ongoing. At the moment, it appears to be approved, however, the general concensus is that the pawprint may be able to reflect a furs [[fursona]], (ie, a [[wolf]] furry could have a wolf pawprint, a [[dragon]] could have a dragon [[claw]]print etc.) and the colour can also change (ie, rainbow pawprints for [[Wikipedia:LGBT|LGBT]] furs).

== Usage ==
[[Image:Areios_PhiPawSketch.png|thumb|107px|right|Another proposed PhiPaw symbol]]
*At such events as conventions and other furry gathering, a pin, clothing, or any other type of gear bearing this symbol could be used as a way to distinguish between attending furs and normal bystanders ("[[mundanes]]".)

*In everyday life, it would to allow furs to more easily identify each other without having to decode subtle hints, nor directly asking potentially non-fandom people.
*Alternativelly if necessary or desired it might be aceptable to use just a φ, for more discrete usages, like an enbrading on a fromal shirt or on a internet forum signature

At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]], or other species, paw.{{fact}}

==External links==
{{Rating-ma-button}}
*[http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 The "''Some discreet way of telling others we're furry''" thread] on the Yiffstar's forum regarding the Phipaw symbol (login required)
*[http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Voting thread on the Yiffstar's forum] to adopt or reject the proposed "identifier" symbol (login required)
{{Net-stub}}
[[Category:Culture]]

PhiPaw

2007-02-13T21:38:55Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Usage */ added the some text about how it migth be aceptable to use just the Phi ince rtain situations

{{Current}}
{{unreferenced}}
[[Image:Pawphi.png|right|thumb|100px|A proposed version of the PhiPhaw symbol]]
The '''PhiPaw''' is a [[Wikipedia:Symbol|symbol]] proposed by some [[Yiffstar]] [[furry]] members as an universal [[furry fandom]] identifying emblem, to be used by furs for various applied reasons and/or situations.

== History ==

The initial suggestion and discussion for this concept occurred in January 2007 on the Yiffstar's forums, on a thread entitled "''Some discreet way of telling others we're furry''." After a general consensus of using a "symbol" as a way to achieve this, an image combining or juxtaposing the [[Wikipedia:Greek_alphabet|Greek letter]] [[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]] with a [[fox]] [[paw]]print icon was deemed as the most ideal solution.

"Phi" (upper case Φ or <math>\Phi</math>; lower case φ, <math>\phi</math> or <math>\varphi</math>) was selected as it represents both the letter "[[Wikipedia:F|F]]" in the modern Greek language ("'''F'''"urry,) and the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which some Yiffstar users perceive is a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.{{fact}}

As of February 2007, discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all are still ongoing. At the moment, it appears to be approved, however, the general concensus is that the pawprint may be able to reflect a furs [[fursona]], (ie, a [[wolf]] furry could have a wolf pawprint, a [[dragon]] could have a dragon [[claw]]print etc.) and the colour can also change (ie, rainbow pawprints for [[Wikipedia:LGBT|LGBT]] furs).

== Usage ==
[[Image:Areios_PhiPawSketch.png|thumb|107px|right|Another proposed PhiPaw symbol]]
*At such events as conventions and other furry gathering, a pin, clothing, or any other type of gear bearing this symbol could be used as a way to distinguish between attending furs and normal bystanders ("[[mundanes]]".)

*In everyday life, it would to allow furs to more easily identify each other without having to decode subtle hints, nor directly asking potentially non-fandom people.
*Alternativelly if necessary or desired it might be aceptable to use just a φ, for more discrete usages, like an enrbgading on a shirt or on a internet forum signature

At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]], or other species, paw.{{fact}}

==External links==
{{Rating-ma-button}}
*[http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 The "''Some discreet way of telling others we're furry''" thread] on the Yiffstar's forum regarding the Phipaw symbol (login required)
*[http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Voting thread on the Yiffstar's forum] to adopt or reject the proposed "identifier" symbol (login required)
{{Net-stub}}
[[Category:Culture]]

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-12T22:05:15Z

Tigro Spottystripes: fixed another typo

Wanna read a few things I've written about myself? http://TigroSpottystripes.Furry.com.br/

(deleted the part about me wanting people to write an article about me, if your curious about it check the history of the page)

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-12T22:04:07Z

Tigro Spottystripes: lol, I had writen "few" with PH Xp

Wanna read a few thigns I've written about myself? http://TigroSpottystripes.Furry.com.br/

(deleted the part about me wanting people to write an article about me, if your curious about it check the history of the page)

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-12T22:02:57Z

Tigro Spottystripes: cleared the old mess I made and added a line pointing to the site I wrote about myself

Wanna read a phew thigns I've written about myself? http://TigroSpottystripes.Furry.com.br/

(deleted the part about me wanting people to write an article about me, if your curious about it check the history of the page)

Talk:PhiPaw

2007-02-10T02:04:45Z

Tigro Spottystripes: "internet entry"?

== I'm a wiki noob, but this article had to be started :) ==

sorry I din't followe dthe rules and all, I made this article on an impulse

--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Sites that require a user to be logged in? ==

Two of the external links on the article are to forums which require the user to be logged in before they can view the contents. The first question is, do we want to allow those sorts of links? And the second question is, if yes to #1, should we create some sort of template that can be placed next to each of those links? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

* oh, sorry about that, I always froget Y* doesn't allow the viewing of some(or is it all) of the threads without a login, but it doesn't charge and doesn't send spam nor anything (at least as far as I know)

--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 00:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== Rated mature? ==

is the article itself rated mature or just the site on the external links section?

--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 00:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

:Just the external links.
:If the subject of the article itself is considered mature, the MA button is usually placed at the top of the article. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

==Regarding the PhiPaw itself==
This has nothing to do with the article itself or how iit's written, just an opinion over the subject. Does this just seem wrong to you? I don't NEED an identifying badge to tell others I'm furry and to let others know I'm furry. What's next? A cloth star on my jacket that says Jude? Because that was the last thing along these lines that was proposed. And we all know how THAT turned out. --[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 20:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

==Response to Redtail==

That's not what it's supposed to be used for at all...in fact it was spawned from trying to find a way that furries, and only furries, can recognize each other. It's not supposed to be some badge that you put on to lable yourself, it's supposed to be a discreet emblem that shows you are furry to those you want to have that knowlege and, for the most part, keeps it from everyone else. Personally, I'm a closet fur, and I LOVE this idea. I'm gonna get a pendant as soon as I can if it takes off, and I don't really have any fear that anyone I know will know what it means. If you're afraid that people will find out, honestly, I kinda doubt that they would really care enough to actually seek out what it would mean. The only people who would know are those who read the threads about this as well as those who have stumbled into this particular section of wikifur. I'd say proly about 99% of those people are furries themselves, and the remaining one percent will probably forget about it within the hour.

P.S. I have no idea how to post on Wiki 0.o. I proly did it wrong, heh
:Eh, you're prolly right. I'm overreacting anyways. I guess the wording just grated my fur. Accept my apologies.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 23:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
::no problem ^^ Actually, you weren't the only one to have those concerns, on the original thread there was a lot of discussion for - and against - the phipaw and the idea of a uniting symbol in general. The general concensus was that it could be compared to a flag of a country, or to the pink triangle or rainbow for the GLBT community.

== "internet entry"? ==

shoudn't it be called a "culture stub" instead? I mean, it isn't somthing that is restrict to the internet...

File:Areios PhiPawSketch.png

2007-02-10T01:43:43Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Licensing */

== Summary ==
a sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol might look like
originhally found here http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=12 (free registration required to view the contents of that page)

== Licensing ==
{{GPL}}

File:Areios PhiPawSketch.png

2007-02-10T01:39:01Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Licensing */

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-09T08:38:41Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

crap, someone burst my bubble, they made me realise asking for someone to write about them in the wiki is a bit like buying a trophy and putting it on the shelf for display, I don't think I should reach the status required to be on the wiki on the base of pity and charity, so please ignore the lines bellow this... (this was suposed to be fun, but someone had to slam my face on the reality...bollocks...)

I don't feel like I'm worthy of writing about myself here, if anything is to be written I woudl rather haveit be doen by someone else so to keep the articles less biased --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

writings about me should be done on [[Tigro Spottystripes]] and not here as I just realised :P

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-09T02:39:03Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

I don't feel like I'm worthy of writing about myself here, if anything is to be written I woudl rather haveit be doen by someone else so to keep the articles less biased --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

writings about me should be done on [[Tigro Spottystripes]] and not here as I just realised :P

User talk:KendricksRedtail

2007-02-09T02:32:27Z

Tigro Spottystripes: Userpage info

Hi there, Kendricks Redtail, and welcome to WikiFur! Thanks for taking the time to tell us about yourself. [[User talk:GreenReaper|Let me know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 08:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

== Image:7218208.png ==

I assume that Image:7218208.png is of [[Commander Kitsune]], since it is placed in that article. Could you re-upload the image with a description and a meaningful filename? Thank you. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

== I made this for you... or... yeah. ==

{{furry treat|such good work on reverting and such, and whatever else you've been doing ^_. .^}}

Enjoy! '''- ''[[user:cchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]'' [[user talk:cchristianTehWazzit|talk]]'''
:Sweet! ~nomnomnom~ --[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 01:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

== Whoops! ==

I wasn't referencing you at [[Talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]], rather I was referring to our friend [[User:Downspin|Downspin]]. Sorry for not being clear! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

----

Umm yeah, on the Ritz page, please define what you mean by.. more. Thanks - [[user: Ritza|Ritza]]

== disambig, How to ==

Use this example (view it in edit mode, remove the quotes from the example):

'''Editing Furry'''
-------------------
"Are you looking for:
*[[Furry (artist)|Furry]], the artist?. (*)
*[[Furry (fan)|Furry]], the fan?.

{{disambig}}"

(*) You can add as much or as little information for each subject.
*There's a little more to it (moving entries, etc,...), but this is a primer for it. Other editors may have additional tips/info on this subject. Hope it helps =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 10:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

---
[[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC): I don't believe we have a specific guideline, but I prefer the format:

'''X''' could refer to:
* '''[[X (letter)|X]]''', the letter
* '''[[X (Superguys)|X]]''', a character in the ''[[Superguys]]'' comic

== editing Hyesteria page ==

Hi, listen, I was wondering how come you removed majority of the text in the Hyesteria page considering it explains what her powers are? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, I must have missed that, there was a lot of extra text in there like "she marks the first time I've ever drawn a hyena even though her as a character concept has been in my head for over 4 years now and I'm just now getting her to paper." and "Yeah, she's not much of a 'laughing' hyena, but if you want uncontrolable fits of tears and self-loathing, she's your girl." Go ahead and fix it by readding a description of her powers, all right?--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you and I'm sorry for the revert war that took place earlier in the Extinctioners main page, btw I mainly reverted the text that was removed minus the ones you mentioned concidering that was mainly Shawntae talking about the character (when I first made that page, I mainly performed a cut-and-paste, I sadly didn't notice those parts), the information was obtained from this link - [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/44520457/?qo=22&q=by%3Aebonyleopard&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps/ deviantart.com], once again, thanks for your reply, I hope to continue altering Extinctioners pages for the better and any help from others is greatly apprciated - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Image:787202.jpg ==

Please reupload [[:Image:787202.jpg]] with a meaningful filename, such as ChakatSunstreak.jpg. Thank you! -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

== Edit summary ==

Thanks for adding all that info today. I noticed some didn't have an edit summary. Please don't forget the edit summaries. (Even if it just "added to ConFurence GOH cat") --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 06:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== Category information and order ==

Hey there, you enthusiastic category-adder (laudable, if a touch over-enthusiastic from my point of view!) thank you for going to the work of getting people added to categories.

Two things to keep in mind: document. If a person (or indeed, another article) is in a category, there should be an explanation in the article text, so, for example, there should be a line such as "Joe Blogs was staff for ABC con in 2003, in charge of the mud pit", if Joe gets Category:ABC staff for all of a sudden. A similar note in the edit summary (or just "listed as ABC staff in ABC article") keeps things tidy.

On the topic of keeping things tidy, there is an informally established category order, and what that person does category (such as, say, Fursuiters and Covention staff) should be before the Peacock characters category (or whatever species or other note), which is in turn followed by the location and dates categories. Using this order from early on saves (I jsut mistyped that as shaves, hmm) shuffling later on. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 06:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== Categories ==

I see you and I have the same habit of using our instead of or, but in this case, can we keep the categories consistent with honor, not honour, like you did for the Euroference? Love and kisses, [[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 17:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:Eurofurence calls them guests of honour. If some other convention calls them twiddly rabbits of wonderfulness, we can use that. Could you please not use the "Love and kisses" sig to me? I'm not comfortable with that sort of assumed intimacy. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 17:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

::ok, fair enough. I just thought maybe it was an inconsistency. And sorry about that, it's not assumed intimacy, its a little thing I like to call snarkiness.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 17:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

:::It is inconsistent, so well-spotted, but also is intentional. Onwards to de-capping and shuffling categories!-- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh sure! I thought I was actually making an article, but I guess I'm sorta new to this... heh. Thanks though. =3 Seregei

== Sure, I Appreciate the help ==

::Thanks for letting me know that I was only updating my profile... I would like to know what to do in order to make my page an article here. So thank you again. =3 [[User:Seregei Black|Seregei Black]] 03:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
:It's no problem. Just go to [[Seregei Black]] and get started!--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 03:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh wow... THANK YOU! =3 [[User:Seregei Black|Seregei Black]] 03:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry, Im new. ==

Thanks for the help and input. Im not that good at writing so thats why i have the repeating going. Ill try and change that although if you could word those to sound much better that would be great. - [[Kaji]]
:Is all right. A tip of the trade: When you're done writing something, go back and read it to yourself aloud. If it sounds like the stupidest thing you've ever heard, then it's probably not wellwritten. In the future, also, if someone makes a comment in your talk page, reply there, not on the other person's talk page, unless you're just adding a side comment of personal message.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 02:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, i changed the setencing a bit. Hows it look now? - [[Kaji]]

How come you changed it back to interests. I made sure the sentencing wasnt repetative plus i took a few things out. Could i please go back to using "likes" and "dislikes"? - [[Akarei]] a.k.a Kaji

== Image:Anubis2.jpg, Image:Anubisfursuit.jpg, Image:Bastet.jpg ==

Hello KendricksRedtail,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Anubis2.jpg]]'' and ''[[:Image:Anubisfursuit.jpg]]'' and ''[[:Image:Bastet.jpg]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image.
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Thank you for your help :)
==Image:Bulldancelg.jpg==
[[:Image:Bulldancelg.jpg]] needs a copyright tag, in the same way as described in my earlier message. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 21:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Userpage info ==

Love to write something about you, but I have no idea who you are. Do others?--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 02:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
* I eblieve a few do, I'll be posting about my wish on a forum I frequent and perhaps later might inform a freind or two inside SL

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-09T02:28:47Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-09T02:28:07Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

I don't feel like I'm worthy of writing about myself here, if anything is to be written I woudl rather haveit be doen by someoneee else so to keep the articles less biased --[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Tigro Spottystripes

2007-02-09T02:27:25Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

I don't feel like I'm worthy of writing about myself here, if anything is to be written I woudl rather haveit be doen by someoneee else so to keep the articles less biased--[[User:Tigro Spottystripes|Tigro Spottystripes]] 02:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

PhiPaw

2007-02-09T01:14:48Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Proposals of desing of the symbol */

{{Current}}
The '''PhiPaw''' is a symbol proposed by members of the [[furry fandom]] to be used as the universal symbol to indentify furries, which could be implemented into covention and furry gathering situations, so there is no confusion between furs attending and bystanders as well on everyday life to allow furs to more easilly identify each other without having to decode subtle hints nor directly asking potentiall no fur people. At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]] or other species paw.

The idea for the symbol is to have a [[fox]] pawprint with the Greek letter φ ([[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]]) inside of it. Phi is the ancestral of F, and has relevance to applicable mathematical principles revolving around the usage of the character. Phi also signifies the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which could be a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.

There are still discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all.
== Proposals of desing for the symbol ==
here are some of the proposed designs for the PhiPaw symbol:

[[Image:Pawphi.png|center|thumb|114px|A proposed version of the Paw-Phi]] [[Image:Areios_PhiPawSketch.png|thumb|107px|center|A quick sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol could look like]]

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==External links==
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 (login required)
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (login require)

[[Category:Culture]]

PhiPaw

2007-02-09T01:11:06Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Proposals odesing of the symbol */

{{Current}}
The '''PhiPaw''' is a symbol proposed by members of the [[furry fandom]] to be used as the universal symbol to indentify furries, which could be implemented into covention and furry gathering situations, so there is no confusion between furs attending and bystanders as well on everyday life to allow furs to more easilly identify each other without having to decode subtle hints nor directly asking potentiall no fur people. At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]] or other species paw.

The idea for the symbol is to have a [[fox]] pawprint with the Greek letter φ ([[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]]) inside of it. Phi is the ancestral of F, and has relevance to applicable mathematical principles revolving around the usage of the character. Phi also signifies the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which could be a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.

There are still discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all.
== Proposals of desing of the symbol ==
here are some of the proposed designs for the PhiPaw symbol:

[[Image:Pawphi.png|center|thumb|114px|A proposed version of the Paw-Phi]] [[Image:Areios_PhiPawSketch.png|thumb|107px|center|A quick sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol could look like]]

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==External links==
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 (login required)
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (login require)

[[Category:Culture]]

PhiPaw

2007-02-09T01:10:32Z

Tigro Spottystripes:

{{Current}}
The '''PhiPaw''' is a symbol proposed by members of the [[furry fandom]] to be used as the universal symbol to indentify furries, which could be implemented into covention and furry gathering situations, so there is no confusion between furs attending and bystanders as well on everyday life to allow furs to more easilly identify each other without having to decode subtle hints nor directly asking potentiall no fur people. At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]] or other species paw.

The idea for the symbol is to have a [[fox]] pawprint with the Greek letter φ ([[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]]) inside of it. Phi is the ancestral of F, and has relevance to applicable mathematical principles revolving around the usage of the character. Phi also signifies the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which could be a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.

There are still discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all.
== Proposals odesing of the symbol ==
here are some of the proposed designs for the PhiPaw symbol:

[[Image:Pawphi.png|center|thumb|114px|A proposed version of the Paw-Phi]] [[Image:Areios_PhiPawSketch.png|thumb|107px|center|A quick sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol could look like]]

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==External links==
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 (login required)
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (login require)

[[Category:Culture]]

File:Areios PhiPawSketch.png

2007-02-09T00:58:06Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Summary */

File:Areios PhiPawSketch.png

2007-02-09T00:46:32Z

Tigro Spottystripes: a sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol might look like originhally found here [http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=122] (free regitration required to view the contents of that page)

== Summary ==
a sketch of how the PhiPaw symbol might look like
originhally found here [http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=122] (free regitration required to view the contents of that page)
== Licensing ==
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Talk:PhiPaw

2007-02-09T00:24:11Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Rated mature? */ ocne again I had frogot to sign after postign a msg

Talk:PhiPaw

2007-02-09T00:22:46Z

Tigro Spottystripes: Rated mature?

PhiPaw

2007-02-09T00:21:50Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* External links */ added a warning about the site requiring a free acoutn to login

[[Image:Pawphi.png|right|thumb|114px|A proposed version of the Paw-Phi]]
The '''PhiPaw''' is a symbol proposed by members of the [[furry fandom]] to be used as the universal symbol to indentify furries, which could be implemented into covention and furry gathering situations, so there is no confusion between furs attending and bystanders. At present, the symbol most widely used in the furry fandom to distinguish furries is a [[fox]] or other species paw.

The idea for the symbol is to have a [[fox]] pawprint with the Greek letter φ ([[Wikipedia:Phi|Phi]]) inside of it. Phi is the ancestral of F, and has relevance to applicable mathematical principles revolving around the usage of the character. Phi also signifies the [[Wikipedia:Golden Ratio|Golden Ratio]], which could be a symbolic metaphor for the equal balance between furries and nature.

There are still discussions about whether to use this symbol, another symbol or no symbol at all.

==External links==
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*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=32539&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180 (this link requires the creation of a free acount in order to have acccess to the content)
*http://forum.yiffstar.com/viewtopic.php?t=36380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (this link requires the creation of a free acount in order to have acccess to the content)
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[[Category:Culture]]

Talk:PhiPaw

2007-02-09T00:16:21Z

Tigro Spottystripes: /* Sites that require a user to be logged in? */