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== Bots ==

Is there anyway to have a bot put ContributorU on user pages, at least the ones with a matching article name? Or, perhaps, one that puts welcome templates on the talk pages of new users? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:53, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
:Both of those are technically feasible, but the first would require writing a bot script and assumes they are the same person, while I'm not sure the second is a good idea in general. Welcomes are at best rather impersonal if you have a bot do them, and at worst end up looking stupid when you start welcoming vandals (faking the last admin to edit signing it only makes it worse, as seen at Wikia). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:01, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
::All right. Just a thought I had and thought I'd ask about. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 20:13, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

== Questions ==

What do you define the difference between a [[fursuit]] and an [[wikipedia:animal costume|animal costume]]? The subject has come up at [[wikipedia:Talk:Fursuit#Explanation of edits undone|Wikiepdia's fursuit article]], but I'm a rather poor debater, and feel my opinion is pretty closed-minded. My opinion is that a fursuit is only a fursuit if associated with furry, otherwise, it's an animal or mascot costume. However, I know that some feel an animal costume is a fursuit, and the two are synonymous. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:43, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

:As it happens I was already reading that discussion. I think my response would be much the same as yours - certainly, animal costumes existed, but they were not used for the same reasons, nor (apparently) called the same thing. I might respond there, but I'm a little busy at work now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:49, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

Also, whenever I try to edit a section or add a new section, the wiki tries to replace the entire text with the section. Any thoughts on why this is? It may have something to do with the fact that I am using Internet Explorer, which gives me problems in general on this Wiki. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 12:45, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

:What version of IE is it? Does it happen if you do turn off the advanced editing functions in [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] so that you no longer have the WikiEditor toolbar showing? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:49, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

+ ::It's the newest version. The only difference between the newest version and the older one (which I used on my PC) is that this allows me to edit, as long as I do not scroll down the page, whereas the older would simply lock up my computer if I even went to an edit page. The only way I am able to edit on this laptop I often use is by typing without scrolling too much, and then clicking the "Changes" tab, where it allows me to scroll down to click save. I have just turned off the advanced editing functions, and it still did it. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 13:03, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== Disregard the email I just sent ==

You took care of it. [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 21:44, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Actually, now might be a good time to ask. I'd like to be able to fight vandalism with greater ease. And while it wouldn't have helped much in this last situation, would it be too much of me to request rollback privelages? [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 21:55, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

:Sure. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:01, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

Wow, really? I was honestly expecting a "I'm sorry, but..." (Especially considering my recent ousting as an EDiot.) Thanks! [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 22:06, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

:Just keep in mind [[Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism|what is not vandalism]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:08, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

== wikifur.ru ==

[[:ru:ВикиФур:Портал_сообщества#wikifur.ru|WikiFur:Community_Portal#wikifur.ru]] — There is a discussion of domain and copyright protection (trademarks). --[[User:Dokatamaru|'''SHREW''']] 22:00, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:''Responded''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:19, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Altering/deleting species profile ==

After a few years of it being there, I suddenly found a user "Spirou" putting my Monoceros page up for deletion. When I undid his edit and asked why, he deleted it in its entirety and replaced it with a 'redirect'.

Just curious why I was singled out. Or are all http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Category:Fictional_species pages due to to be similarly deleted/redirected if any single WikiFur editor decides that a 'custom species' isn't to his or her liking? If you're nuking all of them, then no worries, I understand. But if it's just this page, I'd really like to know why.

There are multiple monoceri played online, and yes, I've referred others (esp. on SpheresMU*) to that page for reference. Just because no others of them are WikiFur members with their own page yet doesn't mean that the fictional species entry for monoceri should be deleted. Some fairness or explanation would be highly appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Tugrik|Tugrik]] ([[User talk:Tugrik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tugrik|contribs]]) .

:''Discussion continued at [[Talk:Monoceros]].'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:39, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== AFF postings ==

Mr Reaper, please do not mention my name at Flayrah.com when linking to AFF postings I made. I do not wish for my name to appear anywhere on that site. -- Oliver

:''Replied via email, after figuring out what posts was being talked about. Note: Flayrah has its own [http://www.flayrah.com/contact contact page].'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:39, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Policy Question ==

Do I need permission to write an article about somebody or could I create a stub based off of information on someone simply based off of their FurAffinity information? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 12:17, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:Anyone can start an article on any topic, unless a personal exclusion is in effect. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:32, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

== This has nothing to do with me ==

I don't want Meepsheep here any more than you if he acts like this. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 02:17, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

== Hello ==

There is a discussion that needs your attention at [[Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.ch)]] <[[User:Ô|o]]> 03:58, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
:I skimmed over it a few minutes ago, but it didn't seem like any consensus had been formed as to do anything that would require a [[WikiFur:Curators|curator]]. The editing community as a whole makes the decision here, we just facilitate them, so you'll need to try to work things out with the regular editors of that article rather than appealing to authority. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:01, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

== Question ==

Are you going to permaban the IP (98.245.197.226) as well? This one is unique in that it isn't a proxy, but... [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 23:46, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

== Re: ==

I'll see if that works; thanks for the tip. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 15:43, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

<del>Hm...I must have a different layout for Yahoo, I'm not seeing any of the buttons I'm supposed to click. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 15:49, 27 July 2011 (EDT)</del>

I found it, but It leads me to a blank page. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 16:00, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

However, eBuddy works. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 16:12, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

Well, I talked to him. Nothing was really accomplished, however. He accused me of attacking him when I was merely asking why he wanted the section removed, which he didn't give a clear answer to. He said he didn't want people googling his name to find out about FA, so I suggested not indexing it, which you've apparently done. However, he then said it was pointless to have the article at all if Google can't find it, to which the only solution is personal exclusion, but he didn't want that either. Then he ''did'' want it. He seemed to have changed his mind again by the ''end'' of the discussion, and said the information was inaccurate. I advised him to correct it, then threatened to blank it immediately after. All the while making passive aggressive insults and threatening to tattle on me to you for "bringing drama" and telling me I'm lucky he didn't have me banned, despite having done nothing wronf. In fact, I was more polite than usual. Also, you apparently "told him about me" but I don't know what you said. All in all, it only managed to shave a few years off my lifespan, because I still don't know what he wants or what happened. So, I was wondering if you could explain to me what I'm supposed to do/have done, or talk to him yourself. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 17:40, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:We've had further conversation. This sort of thing happens every now and again in some cases. For the record, all I really told him about you was that you wouldn't respond well to vague threats - which was apparently correct. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:21, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

It's not that I thought you said anything bad, he just alluded to it enough that it seemed like something important. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 21:30, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== RBW boat party notice ==

Hi GreenReaper,

That's actually a very good point - it seems to be a UKFur issue. If you go here : http://forum.ukfur.org/forum/86-ukfur-events/, and look at the RBW forum 'last updated' thing on the right, it (currently) says 124 topics, but the forum itself is only showing 3 pinned topics.... I've PM'd the admins about it and I'm waiting on the response. In the meantime, you can search the UKFur boards, using "RBW boat party" (minus the quotes) as search criteria, and the article is (currently) the 4th one down. The actual comment from Miyabi (aka sneppid) is post #19 and reads as follows:

''We've sortof dropped the ball on this – we're all quite enjoying the time off; not having massive heart palpitations and not being plunged into huge personal debt is a really nice feeling :3 We're also pretty busy managing LF stuff (well, most of us are, anyway). We'll probably make an official announcement soon but for the time being don't hold your breath for a 2011 boat party – think 2012 instead. We couldn't get the Erasmus at all for the dates we wanted this year, which wouldn't be a huge problem but we'd like to keep the vessel the same. Sorry about the radio silence, but will keep you posted re: 2012.''

So, no "official" announcement generally available, no. If that changes, I'll update the article (assuming you're happy with this as a reference - I can email you a screenshot if you like. :) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 05:15, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

:The issue with UKFur should now be fixed - apparently there were some unexpected hiccups when the RBW posts were moved from "conventions" to "events", which have now been corrected. [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 11:06, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== UKR flag ==

Can you add the UKR (Ukraine) flag to flagdiv and Flags.png? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 09:07, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

==Furnal Equinox Edits by Non-Directors/ConCom==

Hey Green, We've all been through this before. dan skunk is reversing edits on the page, after I removed the "see other/danskunk" and he placed it back. With me removing again. As a director of the convention and concom, speaking with others on said places. We do not wish his wikifur linked from our page article. He has mention in the article and that is enough, he has and still continues to cause problems for us, including many threatening e-mails sent to myself and other directors of the convention in the last few months. We would appreciate if he was blocked from editing our page, or our page was locked from edits, except from anyone of the directors. Scani, Myself, Blindsight, Pakesh or Arctic. At the least I'd like dan skunk to be prevented from editing our page. We don't need more issues then we already have with him and his problems.

Shane Nicholson
Director/ConCom - Furnal Equinox

:Perhaps it's poor form for me to interject on user talk pages, but I noticed this change had felt compelled to jump in because you're asking for administrative lockdowns on this article. Generally, I feel it is not appropriate policy for pages to be locked down to a whitelist of official authors who can contribute. I help run a convention, so I have a similar perspective about public perceptions and controlling impressions. We do this through our convention website, and I think that's the appropriate place for controlled messages and positive promotional text. Our event, like yours, has had a turbulent past that got us to where we are today, and while history isn't always positive or engendering of those presently organizing an event, convention, website, etc., it's an important part of the history of the event, but also, often for the regional fandom at large. If items are added which are true facts, written in a NPOV, and are referenced according to standard, even if they cast an event in a contentious or less than positive light, they're part of a total perspective an encyclopedic article deserves. I noticed the tremendous amount of edits/reverts/reedits/talk page notes that have been going on about your event, and I can't find evidence that Dan is "trolling" in any usual sense, though I certainly understand how you might wish him to not publish his edits as associated with your event. However, I think to be true to it's intended form, that's a concession we have to allow to keep Wikifur credible and in a long-term sense, truly useful. I don't believe anyone should be granted a privileged status as to what an article should say because they are elected or appointed to organize the subject matter being discussed. At the very least, I would recommend that if Dan puts up something you find untruthful, the references be questioned and researched by uninvolved parties, and consensus is reached before edits/reverts are made. Until that happens, even if you were exclusive granted access to maintain the article, it would no longer be credible, it would simply be promotional without community consensus and involvement. [I am going to cross-post this to your own Talk page just so you get this.] [[User:BlueOtter|BlueOtter]] 17:03, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

== Just updated some info ==

This is Cloudchaser Sakonige. I just edited "Cloudchaser Shaconage" and "Furry Dictionaries" to correct the spelling of my last name and on "Cloudchaser Shaconage" I updated the External Links. That of course has broken the link to "Cloudchaser Shaconage" from "Furry Dictionaries." How do I edit the main title of "Cloudchaser Shaconage" so "Shaconage" get changed to "Sakonige"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.247.129.251 ([[User talk:69.247.129.251|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.247.129.251|contribs]]) 07:47, 19 August 2011 (UTC) 

== Since both questions have been ignored, I'll post this here. ==

So you deleted the article; fair enough. However, while the other article continues to exist I find that a prime example of double standards. Also that you didn't allow a true discussion to be held about its deletion seems silly. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 17:17, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:You mean the one about Blu Aardvark? If there's a consensus there to delete it, I'd be fine with that as well. As far as I'm aware, they haven't really been an issue here recently. As for the discussion, I saw four people in favour of deletion - five if you count me - one oppose (from the page creator), and one noncommittal response. If we were Wikipedia, it might be necessary to keep such pages around to inform those unaware of the situation, but I don't think that's the case here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:19, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:Double-standards? On WikiFur? It's more likely than you think! —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]]
:Meh. I only saw two opposing (excluding you). And ohai Xydexx, good to see you survived the earthquake. Unless you're a ghost. And that'd be weird. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 17:45, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
::Ohai Equivamp. Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. The earthquake really didn't do much damage here, but we definitely felt it. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]]
:Looking back at it, there were three (four counting you). [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 17:58, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
::Fair enough. I'll take four over one, especially when they're the ones who have to deal it. This isn't a game for us, it's a waste of time that could be spent writing articles. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:14, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

I'm not playing "games" if that'd what you're implying. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 18:18, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Just wanted to say thanks for the welcome :) [[User:Bi-snow|Bi-snow]] 16:37, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

==Moving Equivamp==
Hi GR, 
I'm curious as to why you went through the process of deleting Equivamp's article, moving the revision over, and restoring the old edits. Wouldn't it have been quicker to just cut and paste, or am I overlooking something?--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 23:10, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Perhaps, but it would have left the edits made by Equivamp separate. I felt it was better to keep them all together. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:11, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

==TGcomix==
Can you please keep an eye on the tiny community of pedophiles here, especially with [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tyciol&diff=343523&oldid=341592 their stated intentions to harass 15-year-old girls] on TrikiWiki.org, which he uses to write about his personal enemies (eg. Brainwurms, Zaiger420, Thayo). I doubt that TGcomix wishes to be a constructive contributor here; his main goal seems to be recruitment. I doubt Tyciol will present any problems; it's TGcomix you really need to worry about. If you won't ban TGcomix in order to save your wiki from any problems he may present in the future, you should at least tell him that comments [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tyciol&diff=343523&oldid=341592 such as this] aren't welcomed. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] 17:25, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
:I should also point out [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/User_talk:Equivamp#Equivamp they are furry-based comments], in case that's relevant. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 18:49, 11 September 2011 (EDT)
::With the speed that GR reverted meep's inappropriate inquiry on my talk, it makes me think it's on a watch list or somethin'. Anywho, I dispute MDS' allegation of being a member of such a community. I'm polite enough to engage in discourse with anyone including this TG fellow but do not want any part of his plans to harass Eq on this trikiwiki thing. I took a look at it and it is in poor taste. [[User talk:Tyciol|Ty]] 04:24, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Edits to all WikiFur sites are posted to [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikifur-edits #wikifur-edits] on [[WikiFur:IRC|IRC]], and I often review them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:27, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

== Article wikifur.com/Fritter ==

GreenReaper,

As of Monday, the 12th of September 2011, my charges have been unconditionally withdrawn by the Crown and Court of Ontario, Canada. On that note, I would like to request my personal information be removed from my article page without threat of moderators such as AshleyAshes re-adding such information. In addition, I would like the note of any mention of the charge be removed, as it now poses as a threat to my future in both personal and professional stances. If you require any written proof, I am in the process of gathering the documentation from the courts and my lawyer notating that the matter has been resolved outright.

In addition, I would like to file a complaint against your moderator AshleyAshes, for personally bringing it upon himself to see that my reputation be tarnished, even after the criminal charge has been dropped. He played the entire matter as though I was guilty from the instant I was picked up, and appears to believe it is still the case though my charge has been dropped. I would like to politely speak with you in private on this matter further, so that these issues may be resolved as cleanly and respectfully as possible. It has been a difficult past 6 months, and I would like to do my best to keep those past 6 months under wraps for the future.

[[User:Fritter|Fritter]] 20:57, 14 September 2011 (EDT)

:Hi Fritter. I am glad to hear that you have apparently resolved this matter. As the information we have is backed by a published news article, some form of reference or document proving what you have said would be appreciated. If it can be proven, I am personally open to removal of the topic from the article about you; however, as we act on consensus and have not faced this exact situation before, I'll sound out the feelings of other editors on the [[Talk:Fritter|discussion page]].

:You might consider contacting the newspaper which originally covered this story to ask them to print an update. I also would be glad to update the [http://www.flayrah.com/3490/furry-fritter-charged-possession-child-pornography Flayrah article on this topic], and/or to post a new story there of equal prominence mentioning the withdrawal of the charges.

:[[User:AshleyAshes|AshleyAshes]] is not a [[WikiFur:Colleagues|WikiFur colleague/curator]] and does not represent the site in any capacity beyond that of a contributor. He also has no more or less power than you have - well, OK, ''technically'' there are a couple of things he can do because your account is new as of yesterday, but he has not been granted any special powers. We encourage all editors to ensure that articles are accurate and comprehensive, although in this case I would have preferred to see an attempt to confirm the information provided rather than immediately remove it.

:In the future, I suggest using the "summary box" above the save page button to provide an explanation of the motivation for your edits to other editors. This will appear on the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Fritter&action=history history page] as a brief explanation of the edit. Without it, it can be tricky to deal with situations like user A adding information X to an article, user B removing it for a reason in line with wiki guidelines (e.g. a lack of a citation), and user A then adding it in again without giving any response to B's reasoning.

:You are welcome to [[WikiFur:IRC|talk to me in the #wikifur chat room]], or to [[Special:EmailUser/GreenReaper|email me]], but please bear in mind that I am relocating to Texas this weekend and may be away packing up boxes. As mentioned above, policy and article content decisions on WikiFur are made through the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus of editors]], not handed out from above as in most websites, but I would be glad to advise you on how our system works and suggest how best to achieve your goals. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:53, 14 September 2011 (EDT)

== Removing pages created by me a long time ago ==

Hello, I was wondering whether I can have the pages for "Sparks (fan)" and "Syona Starlight" removed from this wiki. I am Syona, Sparks is my significant other. I am trying to scrub the net clean of what I can of any of our presence. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Darkeskunk|Darkeskunk]] ([[User talk:Darkeskunk|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Darkeskunk|contribs]]) .

:''Following up via FA note and AIM''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:50, 2 October 2011 (EDT)

== Question about terms. ==

Hello, I'm Targal and EvilDragon. you should know me already, as I was sometime in IRC.

:Hi there! Sorry for the slow reply, I've been busy recently in [[real life]] . . .

1.
Rante has made classification about furry. as I saw it, but his term in the word explaining classification looks something weird.
so I question you looks whether it something uncomfortable or not.

I guess You should know these codes can be seen well on a book of libraries.

http://hellodragon.tistory.com/41

I think It'll be better if they're revised as latin-ous.

:I do not particularly like codes as they are inflexible. For example, it says there that my character has a human body . . . but it is half the height of a human, and in fact the stance is more forward-leaning. It also appears to be redundant to define "divisions" if you have defined "detailed divisions" as it can be calculated from that. Overall, I would ask what is the use of such classification? On WikiFur, we use words, and it works well enough, I think.

2.
is the word "furry" literary style?

this meaning is that the word "Kemono" in Japanese can ba hardly written on novels, because it's something inproper. but the word "Jyujin" having a similar meaning to Kemono is used often than "Kemono" on novels.
likewise the word "suin" in Korean meaning furry and jyujin is also used on a novels, but it's so informal term only used on internet products that it can be written hardly on formal words. (but 'suin' is available half on novels)
for example, you have to write 'yiffy' as 'adult furry things' on a formal paper, because 'yiffy' is a slang.

so, I wonder whether the word 'furry' can be used like that or not.

:"Furry" is an informal term; you will not find it in any official dictionaries . . . yet. It is however used by many conventions and artists to describe themselves. If you want a more formal term for the characters which we focus on, I would suggest "[cartoon] anthropomorphic animal". --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:00, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== Deletion of my article and all other mentions/page/etc ==

Hi! I would like to remove any real mention of me, the article on me, etc. I am now concerned about my privacy and the amount of information available about me on the internet, and would like to get rid of it as much as possible. You can contact me via the email listed in my preferences (I assume this is viewable by you?)

Thank you in advance :)

--[[User:Dimruthien|Dimruthien]] 06:33, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:Replied via email outlining [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|personal exclusion]] process (and its limits). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:42, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

==People to Add==
Hello GR, 
I wonder if you could suggest a direction for the [[:Category:People/People_to_add|People to Add]] list? In particular, what should be done with names that defy a reasonable amount of research? Take "Susan Gui" or "John T Baptist", for example. Neither have any mention within WikiFur, and Google searches combined with obvious words like "furry", "furries", "fursona", "anthropomorphic", etc, produce no relevant hits. Neither do Google Groups searches or trying to guess a Fur Affinity account name.

Should such names be left, or removed?--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 17:25, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

:I'd suggest removing them, on the basis that placement on the list is only useful if other people know who you're talking about. If the original adder really wants to make that article, they can always do that. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:28, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Interesting archive splitting ==

I noticed your separate Admin/Policy + Technical + General categories for your archives. That is neat but it makes me wonder, does it add more work to archiving? Like do you look at each topic one by one and decide where you want to put it? So eventually, the order they are displayed in when split looks different from how they initially appeared in sequence when first posted? I thought about the possibility of adding month-parent single = cats but that is only for standard methods and would clearly overcomplicate in addition to this trinity division. [[User talk:Tyciol|Ty]] 04:29, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes. It is more work; I do it because I am in a unique situation as many policy decisions and technical questions have been answered on my talk page, and it may be necessary for people to look through the archives to determine the historical basis for a decision (or just to get a general feel for the site's history). This makes it easier for them, as there's less to read through. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:37, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

== I wish to remove my character from Wikifur ==

I would like to remove my character's profile from wikifur. I cannot delete it, can you do that for me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Jenesri|Jenesri]] ([[User talk:Jenesri|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jenesri|contribs]]) .

:I'm presuming you want us not to cover you, as well as your character? What we typically offer is [[WikiFur:personal exclusion|personal exclusion]], since otherwise anyone could recreate an article if it was deleted. I have noted your request on the [[Talk:Jenesri|relevant discussion page]], and if there is no objection (which is likely), it will be excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:55, 26 December 2011 (EST)

== Problems with Internet Explorer ==

It would appear IE still has problems editing the site (though it can view it just fine). Editing is possible if I make the changes, then click the "Changes" tab at the top before clicking Save. Not doing this results in me having to resart the internet. This is a brand-new computer; I am using the most updated version of IE. Yes, I know, that's what I get for using it in the first place, but I'm too busy to download Chrome. Is there any reason for this, or do you not know? [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 19:27, 9 January 2012 (EST)
:Try unchecking the beta and labs features on the "editing" tab of your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:31, 11 January 2012 (EST)

::test [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 16:34, 16 January 2012 (EST)

:::Okay, it does appear to have worked. Thank you for your help. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 16:35, 16 January 2012 (EST)

== A strange link ==

Hi, I was talking with someone and they mentioned that there was a link on Timothy Albee's page here on Wikifur that pointed to my page on FurAffinity, (furaffinity.net/user/dreamsong).

While Tim and I were close for years, we were never _that_ close.

I was wondering if someone could change that link? (I think his FurAffinity page is still there under TimothyAlbee.)

Thanks!
Dreamsong

:Sure; the updated page is at [[Timothy Albee]]. Note that you can edit most pages on WikiFur, even without an account. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 22 January 2012 (EST)

== Merge Kijani/Kijani Lion ==

Hi there, Kijani! I notice you already appear to have an account under User:Kijani Lion, initially created over at Wikia. Would you like me to merge the two?

You would need to login once as Kijani Lion using your old password, so that it correctly records contributions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:50, 8 February 2012 (EST)

:Hi there,

:Yes if you could please merge the two userpages that would be great! It's been so long since I've edited by Wiki I completely forgot I had made that account. Thanks a lot! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Kijani|Kijani]] ([[User talk:Kijani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kijani|contribs]]) .

::Great! Just [[Special:UserLogin|go here]] and enter the old username and password so it's imported (we moved from Wikia, so despite having a user page it isn't a full user, but logging in will fix it), then I'll get it merged. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:03, 8 February 2012 (EST)

::All merged. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:18, 8 February 2012 (EST)

== Personal exclusion/deletion ==
Hi, This is Rhylith, contacted you on FA.
Can I have the personal exclusion applied to my/this account? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Rhylith|Rhylith]] ([[User talk:Rhylith|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rhylith|contribs]]) .
:I have noted your request on the [[Talk:Rhylith|article discussion page]] - if there is no objection, it will be acted on after 24 hours. I can also delete your [[User:Rhylith|user page]] if you would like. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:48, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

== User talk pages ==

I thought that only applied to the user page, while leaving the talk page up for public posts and Curators notices. At least that is how I have seen been done since day one - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:35, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
:If it gets to the point of blocking someone, a notice may be appropriate until they are unblocked. If you just need to say something to them, they are entitled to remove your speech once it's heard. It's not meant to be a scarlet letter. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:42, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
:There's further thought on that [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Don't restore removed comments|at Wikipedia]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:49, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

== Re: WikiFur Conservator ==

Thank you for letting me know, as well as fixing the Furcode template on my userpage. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 08:46, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

==Mundane==
I agree with removing the edits on Babyfur and the other article, but why remove my edits on the article of "Mundane"?
Dylan [[User talk:Dylan|(talk)]] 07:57,22 April 2012 (EDT)

:The [[User:mwalimu|user concerned]] provided their reasoning in the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Mundane&action=history edit history]. This explanation is added in the summary box, which should be used to explain your reasoning/provide context for edits to other editors. (To sign your name and add a timestamp in discussions, just type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. In addition, please use the "show preview" button rather than saving changes repeatedly. See the [[help]] for more advice.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:16, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

== More flag icons needed please ==

Hi,

In addition to Mwalimu's request above for the Ukraine flag to be added, could you also please add the following:

BEL (Belgium), EST (Estonia), FIN (Finland), HRV (Croatia), HUN (Hungary), IRL (Ireland), ISR (Israel), LTU (Lithuania), NLD (Netherlands)

as these are in an active article ([[ConFuzzled 2012]]) and are showing incorrectly. If you don't have the time or inclination, by all means tell me how to do it and I'll have a stab at uploading a file for you. Regards [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 02:46, 22 May 2012 (EDT)

:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:37, 26 May 2012 (EDT)

::Sorry, but we need more ! :) In relation to the [[ConFuzzled 2013]] article, we seem to be missing suitable flag icons for Iceland, the Isle of Man, and the United Arab Emirates. :) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:30, 20 May 2013 (EDT)

:::Thanks for letting me know - I'll drop myself a note to look at this when I get home. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:32, 20 May 2013 (EDT)

== Username blacklist thing ==

Can we forbid Weweesky as part of a username? It'd cut out a few of the having to immediately block as expected spammer accounts I'd like to think. I don't know if WikiFur has installed: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TitleBlacklist#Using_TitleBlacklist_to_control_user_account_creation -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 02:03, 4 June 2012 (EDT)
:We do have it (our extensions are listed at [[Special:Version]]), but it was disabled. I've enabled it now, so [[MediaWiki:Titleblacklist]] should work. I suggest not overusing it as spammers tend to rotate nicknames frequently; it's a little more useful for people trying to use certain elements in names, although it can just encourage creativity there as well. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:35, 4 June 2012 (EDT)

== Personal Exclusion ==

I was wondering if I could have my wiki-thing, Sparky15756, blanked? I'm intending to edit it at a later date but for now I'd rather have it blanked as it's just an egotistical page that I made a few years ago and would rather it not see the light of day (anymore). But I'd like to keep my account on here for when I finally get around re-editing my wiki-article.

~15756
:Since the reason seems to be more that you didn't like the current article rather than the idea of ''any'' article, I had a go at editing it. Please [[Sparky15756|take a look]] and tell me if you still wish to be excluded. (Also, you can sign your name in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:34, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

I still wish for the article to be excluded, but I do thank you for trying to make it look better.
~Sparky15756
:As you wish; I have placed the customary 24 hour notice on the talk page, and if there is no objection (likely) I will perform the exclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:49, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

==Re-inclusion==

Hey again, I was wondering if it's possible to unblank and re-include my article? I've prepared a pre-made article for if/when my article can be edited.

~Sparky15756

:Sure. I've removed the exclusion and restored the last version; it is now open for editing. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:15, 29 March 2013 (EDT)

==Edit and Lock=
I'd like to request an edit and lock of my article on the grounds that I'm tired of two (unnamed) curators targeting my article with edits upon edits, one even threatening to block me from editing my page because I spoke out against them and even received word that I'm not allowed to talk about them on Twitter.
~Sparky15756

== Removal of page histories ==

Hi there, I've been doing a little editing and article pruning recently, and was wondering if you could delete the histories for my userpage, and article. 
I'm happy to stay on the site, but I'd rather some of the old and irrelevant information on the two pages that I've edited was removed. 
Thanks in advance!

[[User:UaineSionnach|UaineSionnach]] 18:46, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
:I have hidden the revisions which appear to contain personal information, such as your detailed location and date of birth. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:54, 21 June 2012 (EDT)
::That's wonderful, thank you! [[User:UaineSionnach|UaineSionnach]] 21:58, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

== Account rename (Mcgroarty) ==

Hey, Green. Would you be willing to rename [[User:Mcgroarty|Mcgroarty]] to Ink or McGroarty? I hadn't realized camelcase names might be an option at signup - they usually aren't with MediaWiki. And heck, I'd figured Ink would already be taken. Ink would be my first preference. --[[User:Mcgroarty|Mcgroarty]] 12:18, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

:I've taken the liberty of renaming the Mcgroarty account to "Ink".--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:31, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

== Help with Babysitting Cream? ==

Thanks for the welcome. I could use some help with the Babysitting Cream page, which is marked as needing to be wikified to match the Furry Book of Style. Whoever put that macro there, I'm not sure what they want fixed. (Aside perhaps from more citations, but the original author has explained the shortage of cites and I'm not sure I can improve on it much.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:APDamien|APDamien]] ([[User talk:APDamien|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/APDamien|contribs]]) .

:Hmm. There is [[Talk:Babysitting Cream|some discussion]] of that work already. My view is that the topic is suitable, but it's not a good encyclopedia article. It reads more like a game guide. The choice of the section headers "How to play" and "Strategy" and the constant use of "you" are particularly telling. Description of the gameplay is appropriate, but less in the form of "here's what ''you should do''", and more "here's what happens if ''the player does'' X". The article also contains uncited personal opinions about how the game should be improved, stated as fact. If someone has given such an opinion elsewhere, it could be included but should be cited and attributed to them. (You can sign your conversations on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:16, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

== Can I have my article removed ==

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/SableQueanVilaya I wish to have this article about me removed. Please do so. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SableQueanVilaya|SableQueanVilaya]] ([[User talk:SableQueanVilaya|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SableQueanVilaya|contribs]]) .

== My article removal ==

Can I go ahead and blank it then put the exclusion tag on it? I really want this article removed. Please remove it or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SableQueanVilaya|SableQueanVilaya]] ([[User talk:SableQueanVilaya|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SableQueanVilaya|contribs]]) .

:''Was ultimately excluded.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:46, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

== Page Reversion. (Unexclusion) ==

*After much consideration I would like the page back on track.
*I would however like to get solitary priveleges to change the page info.
*This is because other people have constantly changed it in the past, which let to its demise (and my temporary ban), updating it with incorrect info and details I myself corrected over time and time again.
*It seriously gets on your nerves after a while. I know Wikifur is a place where 'everyone' can contribute and I like\endorse that, but after seeing the disasters that can occur: page protection surely is a luxury.
*Sure, I would've liked it otherwise, but it seems some people (trolls in particular) can't handle that kind of freedom.

--[[User:BillyTheCat128|BillyTheCat128]]([[User talk:B|talk]])

:''[[User talk:Higgs Raccoon#Changing my page.|Correctly handled by Higgs Raccoon]] - we no longer offer this option, but advise watching pages with email notification.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:46, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

== Unexclusion request ==

Kraaa!

For reasons similar to those of BillyTheCat128 above, I had requested an exclusion, most likely because I had self-edited my page (and I also wanted the history to be purged). However, I now would be interested in seeing how WikiFur editors see me. I would like the [[Diti]] page to be recreated, so I would be happy if you “unblocked” the page (or make it a “red link”)! Thank you! [[User:Diti|Diti]] [[User talk:Diti|the penguin]] — 04:40, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

:The article has been unexcluded and is now publicly editable. Let us know if you have any further concerns. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 10:08, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

== Babysitting Cream thumbnails ==

It appears that you provided specific thumbnails for the article on the Babysitting Cream game. However, one of the thumbnails was never uploaded (or had the wrong filename), resulting in an ugly bar for the missing image, and the other image was from an earlier version of the game.

I have replaced these using the standard "thumb" feature of the Wiki image reference, allowing the software to generate the thumb by the default method. If you want to rebuild the thumbs, this is a reminder that they are there. [[User:APDamien|APDamien]] 14:13, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

Oh, and thank you for replacing my incorrect version of the start page with a correct one. But... the way you did it doesn't get a full-size image when you click on it, only the thumbnail (with a link to the full image if you look for it). I don't understand how this thumb= stuff works well enough to fix it, so I'll just leave it up to you instead of reverting -- I hate reverts and will only do them for obvious vandalism or where the editor clearly didn't understand the purpose of the article/section. [[User:APDamien|APDamien]] 15:03, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

:Thank you for bringing this to my attention. The thumbnail was deleted because the software listed it as unused and another editor thought it was superfluous. I have noted its use on the file page. The thumbnails are used because indexed PNG thumbs are much more efficient than the full-colour ones made by default. I did a bit more digging and found that I can force a manual link as well as a thumb, so that should work nicely now.

:As for the earlier version image, I replaced it with what I consider to be the "title" screen, which is equivalent to an earlier version of the image. The warning screen might be included too, as a separate image but it seems a little superfluous - maybe just a mention in the text, if anything? (If you can't see anything useful in a thumbnail, it's probably not a good image to use.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:11, 3 September 2012 (EDT)

== Further Confusion Charity totals ==

Hi. Have you had any luck in extracting the charity totals from FC for the past few years to be able to update the [[Timeline of charity donations]] article ? [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 03:43, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
:Nope! I can try again, though . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:59, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
:There were totals for both years in the budgets included with their 990 filing for 2011-2012 - $10,000 in 2011, $7000 in 2012. I updated the charity timeline. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:12, 28 December 2012 (EST)
::Thanks for the update :-) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 16:57, 30 December 2012 (EST)

== Policy on self-editing? Just asking for clarification... ==

Hey there. I'm Kashi Commodore, one of the newer associate developers hired to work on Furcadia. A long-time Furc player and Beekin, I've now joined the team at DEP.

I have my own article, which was self-edited to an extent to correct inaccuracies. And I suppose it might be prudent to update it given my new position. That thought has highlighted an idea..

I see a few factual inaccuracies in Furcadia related articles which I'd be happy to correct. Of course, that would be 'self-editing' in a sense and wanted to clarify what the policy is on that. I'm not a marketer or salesperson, and am happy to attempt to cite official sources where possible. But I wouldn't want to invalidate the encyclopaedic purity of the site - merely correct a few errors. I could see how I would not be regarded as impartial. I'm not sure if I can say I would be an 'official' source myself, but I'm certainly as official as you are likely to get, which has it's own pros and cons of course. I could provide examples of what 'inaccuracies' I refer to if that helps.

I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Kashicommodore|Kashicommodore]] ([[User talk:Kashicommodore|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kashicommodore|contribs]]) .

:Hi Kashi! At WikiFur we recognize that sometimes the best sources of information are those closest to the action. As such, we welcome such edits as long as they comply with the general policy on neutrality. There should be little problem with correcting questions of fact; if it starts getting into what you see as misconceptions of DEP policy or actions, it might be best to mention and reference examples of user views as well as the company's own position. In any case, we'd certainly prefer that you continue to do so under your own name, and to explain your reasons for changes in the summary box (or on the attached discussion page if necessary). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:02, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

== Editing protection ==

The edits in question are indeed large, other curators have used this method to prevent editing while making theirs, the pages are only 80% finished, I am not receiving comment on the future status of disambiguation pages, and i'm not using this template as my sole property toy, but to prevent the hanging data from being disturbed until the final edit.

This was done with [[Kitsune]] and [[Vixen]], and after being finished and unprotected, users started to modify the entries as normal. The changes are time consuming, long, tedious and a pain to enter one by one. Common courtesy during a curators edit would be appreciated - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:08, 15 October 2012 (EDT)
:This is not "I will be the only one editing this entry forever!" territory. I'm talking large input of material at one, most of the entries from diverse and obscure references (specially foreign). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:14, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

::I [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=500&type=protect can't see evidence of use of this method] to protect personal editing projects. It is primarily used when there is a dispute over articles. If you have a large edit which you cannot complete within a matter of hours, it would be best to prepare it in your user space. I will expand on this in the ongoing discussion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

:::Okay, then I will take Sine's suggestion, which is the most logical right know. I will remove (temporarily) the links that are currently not finished (not relinked, but just the ones with name and no description), move them to four folders for the four species/disambiguations on my Wikifur folder, and edit them offline, to be included back at a later time, so I can remove the edit tag, and open them to user traffic as of right now - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:25, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

::::That sounds like a good way to start. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:27, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

== spam guy ==

i'm adding some new articles to the italian wiki,but another guy is putting spam around the pages( even the main one),so please block him,my account is "Escofal"(i can't log in to the eng wiki,only to the italian version of the site).That bad guy has an ip like "173.--"

:''Spammer blocked.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:42, 7 November 2012 (EST)

However,a friend of mine posted another question in the eng forum but none has answered yet.

== Editing the Homepage ==

Hello Greenreaper! I'm Valery91Thunder from the italian Wikifur. I'm working with a friend of mine (Escofal, he wrote to you before) to replenish and update the Italian part of the Wiki. We're currently working on adding new pages, but we'd also like to change the layout of our homepage, which is currently looking like this: http://it.wikifur.com/wiki/Pagina_principale . We'd like to create something more resembling to this: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central . Do you have any useful tips and tricks, or pheraps a link to a tutorial that shows us the best way to modify these pages? We're new, so we're still trying to learn the majority of the code. Thanks anticipate for your interest, we'll be waiting for your kind answer. :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.3.154.44|79.3.154.44]] ([[User talk:79.3.154.44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.3.154.44|contribs]]) .

:Hi Valery! I'm glad you want to develop the front page. Unfortunately there is no manual for them in particular - you have to click "edit" and see what is done - but [[mediawikiwiki:Help:Contents|MediaWiki has a manual]] - in fact there are [[Wikipedia:Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Introduction|several]].

:On the English WikiFur, we have locked the front page, and are using a feature called [[mediawikiwiki:Help:Templates|template inclusion]] so that the content of the front page is on other pages. Basically, anything like <nowiki>{{WikiFur Central/Something}} is actually at [[Template:WikiFur Central/Something]]</nowiki>. This makes it harder for people to edit it, which is both good and bad . . . we also have the front page sections rotate each week (with edit links to the appropriate week).

:Parts of the front page are on [[Template:WikiFur Central/Header]], [[en:Template:WikiFur Central/Featured]], [[Template:WikiFur Central/Comic of the Week]], [[Template:Upcoming events]], [[Template:WikiFur Central/Flayrah]], [[Template:Did you know]], [[Template:WikiFur Central/FeaturedPicture]], [[Template:Furpile]], [[Template:WikiFur Central/Footer]] and [[Template:WikiFur Central/MetaLinks]]. Most are protected to avoid vandalism (although to varying levels), because English gets a lot of it. There are also versions for screens which are [[WikiFur Furry Central/800|800px]], [[WikiFur Furry Central/650|650px]] and [[WikiFur Furry Central/480|480px]] wide, which have their own templates or re-order them.

:This is probably more complex than we need, and almost certainly more than ''you'' need. Given the size of the community, I would suggest that you consider it a "front page to furry fandom". What would someone new to the fandom want to learn? What Italian-languages resources, in particular, are useful? You can link to major topics, to categories - whatever you have available now. (One example along these lines is [[Wikipedia:Portal:Furry|Portal:Furry on Wikipedia]].)

:I suggest that you don't commit yourself to making sections that you will have to update all the time, especially if only a few people can edit it. If you want a featured section, that's fine - but make it one that you can leave for a few weeks if necessary. There is less chance of deliberate vandalism here. Don't be afraid to link to content elsewhere - if there are popular Italian podcasts/shows/news with RSS feeds, you can display links to them, [[Template:WikiFur Central/Flayrah|like we do for Flayrah]].

:I would also suggest looking at our [[WikiFur:Community Central|Community Central]] page ([{{fullurl:WikiFur:Community Central|action=edit}} source]), and mixing some of this type of material on your front page - as you do with the "new pages" section - because it encourages contribution to these articles, and it is automatically generated. Some of the sections there use [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:DynamicPageList (third-party)|DynamicPageList]]. This is a powerful but complex tool. Try it out, but don't expect it to do exactly what you want straight away! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:56, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::Hey there! Thanks for the quick reply, this is a lot of info indeed! I'll start looking at the pages you've linked soon, and your suggestion of doing a simpler page instead of a more "real-life updated" one was exactly in my thoughts. We had in mind to add some links to the major furry forums in there in case some new furs wanted a place to meet people and talk. :) Thank you again!

== Protecting the Homepage ==

Hi GreenReaper, it's Valery91Thunder again from the Italian WikiFur, sorry to bother you ^^"
We've successfully managed to edit the homepage, adding a new layout to it, more informations, and so on. We plan on creating the Community Portal as well, soon.
We had another hacker/bot attack, though, that re-edited the homepage. I've managed to restore our version, but still, it's utterly unpleasant seeing our page being changed like that. :( So we finally decided we should add protection to the homepage, but I think, as I'm only a normal user, that I don't have the permissions to do that.
Is there a way, or someone, that we can contact to do it for us?
Thank you again for your time and kindness. :)
:I have protected the main page against edits by anonymous or recently-registered users, and I have granted yourself and Escofal access as colleagues/sysops, since you are the active users at this time. Please use your new powers with restraint. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)

== Edits or Vandalism? ==

I am not sure if some of my edits could be seen as vandalism or not. Please reassure me that they are not.
[[User:M3talgearrock-solid|M3talgearrock-solid]] 10:56, 9 December 2012 (EST)
:I don't think you have anything to worry about at present. If people have a problem with your edits, I'm sure they will contact you about it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:44, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Removal of personal Information ==

Good morning,

I just wanted to request some information change on the wiki - firstly, about my birthdate, and my rl location, and my RL sex.
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Xaxoqual

In particular I would like the birthdate removed, and the city, and the gendered pronoun. If you need verification it is me then I can post from FA or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Xaxoqual|Xaxoqual]] ([[User talk:Xaxoqual|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Xaxoqual|contribs]]) .

:Sure, I think we can do that in accordance with our [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|Personal information policy]]. I've removed these RL details from the article history, and will follow up with you on FA to confirm identity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:19, 12 January 2013 (EST)

== Help ==

Banned [http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%D1%82%D0%B5 him]!! Quickly. Cancel [http://ru.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:Contributions&limit=500&target=%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%D1%82%D0%B5 changes] to the articles. I have a error (Error 503 Service Unavailable). High ping. [[User:Dokatamaru|'''SHREW''']] 13:16, 15 January 2013 (EST)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:17, 15 January 2013 (EST)
::Excellent. [[User:Dokatamaru|'''SHREW''']] 16:49, 15 January 2013 (EST)

== File:GreenReaper.png ==

Are you using this file in some non-obvious way, or is it alright to delete from WikiFur as Unused? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 17:13, 21 January 2013 (EST)
:Umm . . . I might be! I honestly don't remember. If anything it's a link on another site. Could probably be deleted. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:22, 21 January 2013 (EST)

== Hello, need help deleting a page? ==

Hi there, I made myself a page a while back under my username/character name 'Conjure'. I am no longer part of the fandom and have also changed my real name used in the article here. I would not like this info to be posted publicly anymore as it is irrelevant now. Is there any way you could help me delete it? Im not sure if you need proof or anything it is me, but i do use my real email on here and I have a facebook if need be.

Thanks!
{{unsigned|ConjureVerified}}

:An article does not have to be removed for personal information (such as legal name) to be removed. Even if you are no longer a member of the fandom, the article could stay (and be edited to reflect that) for historical purposes. If these compromises are acceptable to you then the article could stay. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]][[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 08:36, 24 January 2013 (EST)

== Mobile Frontend extension ==

Any chance of getting [[mw:Extension:MobileFrontend]] installed? It would make WikiFur more accessible in today's world of smartphones. Wikipedia themselves use this extension, it also provides some nice API methods for getting a short text extract from an article. --[[User:TerrorBite|TerrorBite]] 12:35, 6 February 2013 (EST)
:I've put the appropriate version of the code onto the server but I need a little time away from work to check it over before I can enable it. I also don't really have a suitable device to test it on - just a TracFone. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:08, 6 February 2013 (EST)

== Re: Box-centring ==

If you're seeing problem with messagebox alignment, it's probably because of our recent proxying changes. I'd bet your WikiFur logo is incorrectly aligned, too! I would hope that they sort themselves out over time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:06, 6 February 2013 (EST)
:Ah, I wondered if it had something to do with that! No biggie. Thanks for the tip. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] - [[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 15:16, 6 February 2013 (EST)

== Ru-wikifur ==

Why is russian subproject unavailable now? -- ''Anonymous''.

:Are you sure? [http://ru.wikifur.com It is working fine for me]. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] - [[User talk:Equivamp|talk]] 13:58, 13 February 2013 (EST)

:Some users have trouble accessing some editions of WikiFur through our new service provider, CloudFlare. We are working to solve the problem with them, which we believe is on their side. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:16, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== Image issues ==

Hi.

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm having a couple of issues with images not displaying properly - such as the first image in the [[Furball Run]] article, and the 4th poster in the [[LondonFurs]] article (2012 summer party). Other images, even other ones in the same articles, are displaying ok so I'm not quite sure what's going on... [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 15:59, 13 February 2013 (EST)

:Yes; these issues appear to affect up to 2/13 of images on WikiFur (and Flayrah/the Yerf Archive). They impact users differently depending on location - for example, I can see all the images you mention, but I am not able to see various other images on [[WikiFur:Gallery (characters)]]. I have a ticket on file with CloudFlare. For now, please proceed as if the images were in place, as they should show up later once the issue is resolved. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:13, 13 February 2013 (EST)

== Mellow.yote rename request ==
<pre>{{safesubst:Renameuser
|CURRENT=Mellow.yote
|NEW=Connor.J.Coyote
|REASON=Fursona Name Change
}}</pre> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mellow.yote|Mellow.yote]] ([[User talk:Mellow.yote|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mellow.yote|contribs]]) .
:Sure. Though we don't have that template. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:43, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

==Requesting a page lock==
Hi!

I was wondering if my old WikiFur page (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Elegance_Liberty) could be blocked out/deleted and/or protected, please? Thanks! --[[User:Elegance_Liberty|Elegance Liberty]] 20:23, 23 April 2013 (CST)

:I've noted your request on the attached discussion page, and if there is no objection I will perform an [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|exclusion]] in 24 hours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:14, 23 April 2013 (EDT)

==Timeline of media coverage==
Nevermind, Higgs Raccoon did it.
Thanks Higgs.

2011 under April I can't see the danish article about furries
Link: http://www.dr.dk/P1/Klubvaerelset/Udsendelser/2011/04/16115910.htm
P1 is a danish radio station run by the state media DR.
The article name = Eng: Cool, nice and naughty furries, dk: Fede, flotte og frække furries
The air time was/is called Klubværelset(eng: Club room)
I was look to add it myself, but it seems a bit to complex for me.
I don't want to accidentally mess up the page.

==2nd request==
When you have time, can you or one of the mods check out the changes I have made to: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Danish_furries
Will my changes meet the wikifur standards, or do I need to change some of it?!
I want to make it good.

Will it also still need to be marked: ''This article does not cite its references or sources. You can help WikiFur by adding references.'' and ''The use of time in this article lacks definition. Dates should be used instead of words like "today" and "currently".''
:''Replied on talk page''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:46, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

== Oversight ==

Hi, please see [[Talk:Zidonuke]] for an oversight request regarding personal information missed during a previous suppression. [[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 17:23, 22 May 2013 (EDT)
:Please see [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Zidonuke&action=historysubmit&diff=403031&oldid=403011 here] for additional recent edits that re-add the removed content. ''I feel like I'm on a merry-go-round.'' [[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 11:47, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
::Your concern is noted and verified. The article is in temp lock down until the non-appropriate information is removed - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 11:59, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
::: Question: How does oversight of specific revisions in any way justify full protection of the article? Or are you just, always this heavy handed in a manner which is totally counter productive to the very nature of Wiki's? [[User:Leon Hunter|Leon Hunter]] 13:38, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

== MrFoxyPaws ==

Hi and thanks for your comments:

''It is not necessary to use a qualifier such as "(series)" if there is no ambiguity. That said, I don't disagree with the use in this particular case, because it clarifies that it is a series of works.
Bear in mind that editors may choose to merge articles about creative works back into the article about their creator if there is no evidence that they have a significant following of their own (e.g. through publication). Not saying this will happen, just don't be surprised if you see it. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:24, 25 May 2013 (EDT)''

I created 'Boo and Kye' without (series) but reckoned that in the future it was likely there could be ambiguity over 'Frodo' as somebody may create another character of that name; or, equally, a 'Frodo' page might one day cover my fictional character whereas the (series) one would cover the series. So I kinda hovered between using (series) and not using it.

You're right my stories don't have a large following - is it better for me to try and fold them back now? although i'm not totally sure of the formatting for that. I'm more than happy to have a go. I did wonder about this point. I guess that i thought / hoped the number of stories, and that they are a series (with the cast of characters) would lend them some credibility. Also, they're at least of reasonable quality in terms of grammar and spelling etc because that's an interest of mine, having proof-read a novel for a friend. But i'm new to wikifur so happy to follow the guidelines. [[User:Foxypaws|MrFoxyPaws]]
:I'd say leave it as it is if you're comfortable with it now; if anyone feels the need to merge them later, hopefully they'll deal with it without removing any useful information. We most often do this when there is a true "stub" article that will never be of a significant size, just a few lines, but consistency can be a factor as well. Incidentally, you can sign and date your name in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:56, 25 May 2013 (EDT)

== Request ==

Would you please delete my userpage, [[User:Silver seren]]? It's been a long time since i've contributed here and I don't really have an inclination to at current and I would just prefer if my userpage was removed. Thank you. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:10, 1 June 2013 (EDT)

User talk:GreenReaper

2010-08-12T00:58:47Z

Silver seren: /* Apologies */ new section

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Allan is changing (with proof) ==

Jump to post #521 and read from there: http://wys.mirror.henriwatson.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=185

Also, Dragoneer made a journal about his progress: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1619739/

-Glaice

== Apologies ==

With college starting up within the next few weeks, i've been neglecting my duties to the DYK section. I've already missed an update and I apologize for that. Unfortunately, until i'm able to figure out how my computer situation will work out at college and what my schedule will be in general, i'm going to be kind of busy. So I might not be around for a month or two and won't be able to keep up with my duties. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-08-05T23:48:53Z

Silver seren: /* Photos and supposed real name */ Time zones explanation

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

According to the FA site owner, the IPs for KW and JE "don't match at all. Not even close." It is still visible on KW's shouts, but I do have it screen capped if it is ever unavailable.
:Not '''this''' again. If you're not going to read the rest of the posts please don't bother posting. It was already addressed the site owner was looking at the IP addresses only on the main site, and the forums record multiple addresses. [[Special:Contributions/196.4.53.253|196.4.53.253]] 22:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:: I do not know about live chats but I know of a video from 2008 where JE ink a drawing. The video is mostly focused in the paper but JE's bust is clearly visible. I will see if I can obtain it in order to prove it's real. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

== Martha Guerrero Martinez ==

Recently I've been investigating into the possibility Jessica Elwood is not Jessica Jazmin Colaneri nor Arturo Juarez, but rather Martha Guerrero Martinez. For this I put the following list of proven facts.

-JE and Kacey share the same IP address as confirmed by the admins of Furaffinity, mainly Arshes Nei.

-Martha's email address traces back to a 26 years old female from Mexico.

-For about 4 years JE has directed every commission payment to the address of Martha Guerrero Martinez. This dates back as early as 2006, as seen here http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg

-It was believed Martha's Mexican account was just a shuffle account so it would be directed to another account. But it was recently discovered that said Paypal account is verified, so it has a bank account and credit card to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, and they have gone through Paypal's identity verification.

-Tonight I was given an audio file from a friend of Martha/Kacey, where she admits being Jessica Elwood and asks for this information to not be revealed. I had the file tested in case it had been digitally altered, but the file is clean and the voice is definitely female. This person has a heavy accent and speaks Spanish in the later half of the file, as expected from someone from Mexico. (Any idea how to upload it here?)

-The translation of the above file would be something like: " Alright, I am Jessica Elwood. Please...Please don't tell anyone, no one can know this."

Now, this is not speculation. All these facts are proven, so I consider worthy adding this to the article.The link between Arden and JE is far weaker.
[[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:Alright, let's see what you've got. Upload it to some file sharing site and link it here. I've got some friends who can speak spanish so I'll see i they can translate, but I need records of the discussion with your friend when he or she gave you the file. Also, if that friend of martha/kace was in a text chat with m/k, I would like to see records of that as well. If your proof checks out, then we will of course add it to the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also, about your claims that "Since it's a confirmed account, Martha must be the real name", you are able to connect your paypal account to ANY bank account you own, regardless of the name on the account. The name on the bank account and the name on the paypal account can be completely different and it will staill say that the paypal account is verified, and transferring of funds is still possible. I will test this out myself by connecting a paypal account under my name to a bank account under my mother's name just to prove this. If it works, then it will prove that the name on the paypal account does NOT need to match the name on bank account, opening the possibility that elwood's paypal is a fake name linked to an account of a different name. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

::That really ain't necessary Duck. o.o Mah bud at ''ED'' (and ''Google Translate'') did th' work FOR ya! :D *Copypasta from the ''ED'' article*
::*'''Original''': "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto."
::*'''Translated Spanish''': "Alright already, I'm Jessica Elwood. Please...please do not tell anybody, nobody can know this."
::I mean if ya wanna go ahead and do it, go fer it. But if it's already there in plain text... XD {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 16:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::: This may be a great find, but I say 'may' for this sole reason: we need visual evidence to tie together the audio in that file with an actual MSN conversation with this martha person. We need screenshots or chat logs that show that martha was in an MSN call or sending voice clips at the time that this was supposedly recorded. When we get logs that show "Martha has entered a call with ___" or "Martha has sent you a voice clip", then we can confirm that the audio has come from Martha's actual msn address. Until then, it's still possible that this audio file is of someone's mexican female friend. At this time, we can only confirm a couple things: The voice in the clip is of a hispanic woman. The woman in the clip says "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto." We just now need visual evidence that this audio clip was apart of an msn conversation with the martha msn account. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 17:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

So are we openly stalking her on WikiFur now? This is getting kinda creepy. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 23:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll just leave this here. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/enigmawing/marthatranslation.png
[[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 04:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2052691&viewfull=1#post2052691
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2053581&viewfull=1#post2053581
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2053660&viewfull=1#post2053660

As far as IPs go, JE = Martha

Tie this with the Paypal account info, and the IM messages that show the text along with the audio, I'd say that's quite a bit of evidence to that end.

[[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 05:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Sword ==

(My apologies for the copypasta)

Hello. This is my first time posting in Wikifur as I am not a furry myself, but I have something important to share. I heard of this drama about a week ago and some names were familiar so I went to research a bit. The subject of this article is someone I once considered a friend before she stopped talking with me with no apparent reason. I gathered this evidence and demanded an explanation, but she decided to ignore my note so I have no reason to keep this hidden anymore. The person called “Jessica Elwood” is none but Martha Martinez, or “CountessaAsryon”.

I am a regular user of the forum of a website called Swords of Might. Back in early 09 a new user appeared and became inactive after a few dozen posts, but I remained in touch with her via PMs. I asked her to show me one of her swords and she took a few photos, which can be seen here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/15nt09k.jpg

The date is March 09. A day later I was given this one as well:

http://i31.tinypic.com/mj635i.jpg

Now, after looking at JessicaElwood’s journal history I stumbled upon this entry http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/journal/22604095 from a couple months before, where “JessicaElwood” talk about a sword she has. I checked and both the sword in Martha’s photos and the one in JessicaElwood’s journal are the same. Also, I noticed both share a similar quote.

I’ve put together an image that explain in better detail what I am trying to expose, and what I think is a solid evidence they are the same person. The image can be seen here. It’s a little big so it may be slow to load.

http://i30.tinypic.com/1194izd.jpg

--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 18:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Et-- Hi there! o.o; You saved me the trouble'a copypastain' this over myself! GREAT stuff fer anyone that was curious! (I kinda was!) But what's a booble-wolf with no undies have ta do this? O.o *Points to the ''FA'' link*

: Sorry, I was looking at another link posted in ED and it seems I copied the url of the wrong page.--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 21:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so the unanimous decision over at ED as that JE = Martha and there's no longer any conspiracy that JE = Arden. I believe we can remove the Arden section since the Martha connection has far more evidence for a more solid connection. ...plus there's no more argument about JE being him anymore, which was why we had it up anyways. So bye-bye Arden section. Now, obviously there's been no confirmation from JE that she is, indeed, Martha, so at this time we can only present the evidence that has recently been unearthed and leave any speculation or conclusion to the readers. Until it is confirmed indefinitely, we have to present it as only a theory at this time, as we are a wiki and not an opinion site. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Collecting Paypal information ==

It seems that Dragoneer and the rest of the FA staff are [http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1565898/#cid:13192029 collecting] information on the Paypal transactions that Elwood has done. They are collecting "evidence" so they can "verify the damages". This is getting pretty serious. :o [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Resulting in a FA ban[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 21:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

==Eh...==
"Around '''4:45 PM''', she posted a public apology for her actions..." Would timezone be relevant information? [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 08:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)
:Timezone should probably be put in there. Though I would assume that it is EST, since the other times in the article are based around that, but it might not be. (And, hey, Asher! :o) [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:37, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
::I guess if I see KiTA te I'll ask them. And you know me? o,o; [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 04:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)

==User Climax==

Currently there is an user doing several edits to the article that aren't really relevant. I've already asked him to read the guidelines but I am being ignored, so I made an account to speak here. Would this be considered as vandalism?--[[User:Salisburysteak|Salisburysteak]] 21:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:About this, during this exchange, the section of the IP address part of the article that he hadn't touched also got removed along with his edits (as of the latest correction by GreenReaper). Should I add that part back in? [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 21:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)

:: I still see the original IP address section as it was before Climax began to vandalize. So I guess the current revision is alright.--[[User:Salisburysteak|Salisburysteak]] 22:20, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

=== Photos and supposed real name ===

I just reverted the addition of some photos and casual mention of the supposed "real name" of Jessica Elwood. Even if it is her name, even if they are photos of her, this scandal has ''not'' given the whole of the Internet carte blanche justification in exposing private details of her identity, supposed pictures of her, et cetera. Next thing you know we'll have people trying to hunt her down in Mexico and take pictures of her house or something. I'm sure this creepy "anti" fanboy cyberstalking stuff is all the rage over at ED, but it's not appropriate here. I almost wonder if the person posting it was the same lillianwiddlehood who was banned from DA for spamming the same photos everywhere he could. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 11:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:Hey, KiTA, see above talk section. What time zone were you talking about in the Return section? [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 12:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)
:: I'm in mountain, but I believe I adjusted to the more common Pacific when posting that. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:: Although an easier way is to just check [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/journal/33996888/#comments the Journal]. It says "Mon Aug 2, 2010, 4:46 PM" here. Is that modified for mountain time? When I log out, it changes to 3:46. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 19:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
:::It's set to whatever time zone your settings are set to I think. Are mesing around with stuff and setting my profile to my timezone I got 6:46 PM EST. I'm not sure how much adjustment equals Pacific (PST?) time. Was it two or three over? [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 22:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)
::::The time zones in the US go, from right to left, Eastern, Central, Mountain, Pacific. So, if you're in Eastern time, then Pacific is 3 hours behind. If you are Central, it is two. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 23:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Eka

2010-08-04T00:50:41Z

Silver seren:

The idea that Eka is a sensible individual is absurd and opinionated, and doesn't belong in her wikipage. I can easily say that she is a ruthless, cut throat bitch that discriminates against the autistic, but that wouldn't be appropriate to put in her wikipage. That being said, she is a ruthless, cut throat bitch that discriminates against people simply because she doesn't like there personality.
:I agree with removing the statements just for the fact that they are opinionated and not encyclopedia, but I would ask that you tone the language down and remember that your opinions, also, should not be featured in articles. Just a warning there. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't post my opinions in the article; I said them in this discussion page. I'd appreciate you take your little warning back. --[[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]]
:::I never said that you put your comments in the article, I was just warning you not to, since you seem rather opinionated yourself about her. I apologize for my wording, I should have written it better. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::::And I said right in my little post at the top of the discussion page that I knew that it wouldn't be right to put that kind of thing in the article. [...] {{unsigned|BradRepko}}
::::: BradRepko, please read the policies of this site. Specifically, [[WF:NPA|the rules about personal attacks]]. While we welcome everyone, we do have rules about acceptable behavior. Let's keep the discussions based on the articles, not the people involved. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 21:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: ''Removed the portion of the above comment which consisted of a personal attack.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm just saying, Silver seren had no right to make the point after the comma. I had already said just that, and I consider it a personal insult; so I'm removing it myself, since I'm offended by it.
:::::::I have reverted your editing of ''my'' comment. Nothing I said was a personal attack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Eka

2010-08-04T00:49:41Z

Silver seren: Reverting myself, so as not to remove Brad' comment. :P

Talk:Eka

2010-08-04T00:48:43Z

Silver seren: Undo revision 301696 by BradRepko (Talk)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-08-03T16:37:05Z

Silver seren: /* Eh... */

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-08-03T16:36:27Z

Silver seren: /* Eh... */

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

According to the FA site owner, the IPs for KW and JE "don't match at all. Not even close." It is still visible on KW's shouts, but I do have it screen capped if it is ever unavailable.
:Not '''this''' again. If you're not going to read the rest of the posts please don't bother posting. It was already addressed the site owner was looking at the IP addresses only on the main site, and the forums record multiple addresses. [[Special:Contributions/196.4.53.253|196.4.53.253]] 22:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:: I do not know about live chats but I know of a video from 2008 where JE ink a drawing. The video is mostly focused in the paper but JE's bust is clearly visible. I will see if I can obtain it in order to prove it's real. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

== Martha Guerrero Martinez ==

Recently I've been investigating into the possibility Jessica Elwood is not Jessica Jazmin Colaneri nor Arturo Juarez, but rather Martha Guerrero Martinez. For this I put the following list of proven facts.

-JE and Kacey share the same IP address as confirmed by the admins of Furaffinity, mainly Arshes Nei.

-Martha's email address traces back to a 26 years old female from Mexico.

-For about 4 years JE has directed every commission payment to the address of Martha Guerrero Martinez. This dates back as early as 2006, as seen here http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg

-It was believed Martha's Mexican account was just a shuffle account so it would be directed to another account. But it was recently discovered that said Paypal account is verified, so it has a bank account and credit card to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, and they have gone through Paypal's identity verification.

-Tonight I was given an audio file from a friend of Martha/Kacey, where she admits being Jessica Elwood and asks for this information to not be revealed. I had the file tested in case it had been digitally altered, but the file is clean and the voice is definitely female. This person has a heavy accent and speaks Spanish in the later half of the file, as expected from someone from Mexico. (Any idea how to upload it here?)

-The translation of the above file would be something like: " Alright, I am Jessica Elwood. Please...Please don't tell anyone, no one can know this."

Now, this is not speculation. All these facts are proven, so I consider worthy adding this to the article.The link between Arden and JE is far weaker.
[[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:Alright, let's see what you've got. Upload it to some file sharing site and link it here. I've got some friends who can speak spanish so I'll see i they can translate, but I need records of the discussion with your friend when he or she gave you the file. Also, if that friend of martha/kace was in a text chat with m/k, I would like to see records of that as well. If your proof checks out, then we will of course add it to the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also, about your claims that "Since it's a confirmed account, Martha must be the real name", you are able to connect your paypal account to ANY bank account you own, regardless of the name on the account. The name on the bank account and the name on the paypal account can be completely different and it will staill say that the paypal account is verified, and transferring of funds is still possible. I will test this out myself by connecting a paypal account under my name to a bank account under my mother's name just to prove this. If it works, then it will prove that the name on the paypal account does NOT need to match the name on bank account, opening the possibility that elwood's paypal is a fake name linked to an account of a different name. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

::That really ain't necessary Duck. o.o Mah bud at ''ED'' (and ''Google Translate'') did th' work FOR ya! :D *Copypasta from the ''ED'' article*
::*'''Original''': "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto."
::*'''Translated Spanish''': "Alright already, I'm Jessica Elwood. Please...please do not tell anybody, nobody can know this."
::I mean if ya wanna go ahead and do it, go fer it. But if it's already there in plain text... XD {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 16:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::: This may be a great find, but I say 'may' for this sole reason: we need visual evidence to tie together the audio in that file with an actual MSN conversation with this martha person. We need screenshots or chat logs that show that martha was in an MSN call or sending voice clips at the time that this was supposedly recorded. When we get logs that show "Martha has entered a call with ___" or "Martha has sent you a voice clip", then we can confirm that the audio has come from Martha's actual msn address. Until then, it's still possible that this audio file is of someone's mexican female friend. At this time, we can only confirm a couple things: The voice in the clip is of a hispanic woman. The woman in the clip says "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto." We just now need visual evidence that this audio clip was apart of an msn conversation with the martha msn account. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 17:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

So are we openly stalking her on WikiFur now? This is getting kinda creepy. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 23:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll just leave this here. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/enigmawing/marthatranslation.png
[[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 04:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2052691&viewfull=1#post2052691
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2053581&viewfull=1#post2053581
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2053660&viewfull=1#post2053660

As far as IPs go, JE = Martha

Tie this with the Paypal account info, and the IM messages that show the text along with the audio, I'd say that's quite a bit of evidence to that end.

[[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 05:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Sword ==

(My apologies for the copypasta)

Hello. This is my first time posting in Wikifur as I am not a furry myself, but I have something important to share. I heard of this drama about a week ago and some names were familiar so I went to research a bit. The subject of this article is someone I once considered a friend before she stopped talking with me with no apparent reason. I gathered this evidence and demanded an explanation, but she decided to ignore my note so I have no reason to keep this hidden anymore. The person called “Jessica Elwood” is none but Martha Martinez, or “CountessaAsryon”.

I am a regular user of the forum of a website called Swords of Might. Back in early 09 a new user appeared and became inactive after a few dozen posts, but I remained in touch with her via PMs. I asked her to show me one of her swords and she took a few photos, which can be seen here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/15nt09k.jpg

The date is March 09. A day later I was given this one as well:

http://i31.tinypic.com/mj635i.jpg

Now, after looking at JessicaElwood’s journal history I stumbled upon this entry http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/journal/22604095 from a couple months before, where “JessicaElwood” talk about a sword she has. I checked and both the sword in Martha’s photos and the one in JessicaElwood’s journal are the same. Also, I noticed both share a similar quote.

I’ve put together an image that explain in better detail what I am trying to expose, and what I think is a solid evidence they are the same person. The image can be seen here. It’s a little big so it may be slow to load.

http://i30.tinypic.com/1194izd.jpg

--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 18:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Et-- Hi there! o.o; You saved me the trouble'a copypastain' this over myself! GREAT stuff fer anyone that was curious! (I kinda was!) But what's a booble-wolf with no undies have ta do this? O.o *Points to the ''FA'' link*

: Sorry, I was looking at another link posted in ED and it seems I copied the url of the wrong page.--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 21:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so the unanimous decision over at ED as that JE = Martha and there's no longer any conspiracy that JE = Arden. I believe we can remove the Arden section since the Martha connection has far more evidence for a more solid connection. ...plus there's no more argument about JE being him anymore, which was why we had it up anyways. So bye-bye Arden section. Now, obviously there's been no confirmation from JE that she is, indeed, Martha, so at this time we can only present the evidence that has recently been unearthed and leave any speculation or conclusion to the readers. Until it is confirmed indefinitely, we have to present it as only a theory at this time, as we are a wiki and not an opinion site. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Collecting Paypal information ==

It seems that Dragoneer and the rest of the FA staff are [http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1565898/#cid:13192029 collecting] information on the Paypal transactions that Elwood has done. They are collecting "evidence" so they can "verify the damages". This is getting pretty serious. :o [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Resulting in a FA ban[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 21:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

==Eh...==
"Around '''4:45 PM''', she posted a public apology for her actions..." Would timezone be relevant information? [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 08:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC) (Asher2501)
:Timezone should probably be put in there. Though I would assume that it is EST, since the other times in the article are based around that, but it might not be. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:PuffyPaws

2010-08-03T02:36:06Z

Silver seren:

Is it really necessary to point out who the custom projects are for?
:It depends, are those the only people who have gotten custom projects done? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:36, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Category:Forums

2010-08-03T01:19:42Z

Silver seren: Undo revision 301621 by 41.190.16.17 (Talk)

'''Forums''' are a lot like [[:Category:Bulletin board systems|bulletin board systems]], but based around a website.
[[Category:Websites]]

[[ru:Категория:Форумы]]

High Tail Hall

2010-08-03T01:17:45Z

Silver seren: Undo revision 301636 by 76.246.141.150 (Talk)

{{Unreferenced}}
'''High Tail Hall''', also known as '''HTH''', is an adult [[Wikipedia:Adobe_Flash|Flash]] animation game created by the artist [[Crowchild]] and his studio [[HTH Studios]] (formerly [[Pendragon Entertainment]]).

In it, the player's [[character]] (who is [[male]]), can explore the setting of "High Tail Hall", which is a strip club and bar that has recently opened for business. While exploring the place, a player can talk to and/or seduce, or be seduced by, the [[furry]] characters in the hall.

Other active elements on this Flash game include an interactive news bulletin board, tip jar, a suggestion box, and several hidden locations and secrets.

== High Tail Hall 1.0 (1.5) ==
[[File:HighTailHall.png|right|thumb=HighTailHall-300px.png|frame|Initial scene of the bar at High Tail Hall]]
High Tail Hall began its existence as a discussion on the [[Yiffstar]] messageboards. [[Crowchild]], the creator of Pendragon Entertainment, announced he would be making a flash akin to [[The Tail Underground]], seeing as updates to it were sporadic at best. This announcement included a statement that people who wished to be in the animation need only ask.

Some time after the announcement, the finished product, version 1.5, was released.

==== Characters ====

'''Fully interactive characters:'''
*'''Luca Shoal''', an [[androgynous]] male [[fox]]. Luca is a maid for HTH and wears a "French maid outfit". He is owned by his player, [[Luca Shoal]] (Pendragon Entertainment holds the rights to the remaining characters.)
*'''Tanya Winters''', a [[female]] [[Zebra]]. Tanya is a barmaid and serves guests (in more ways than one).
*'''Zoe Mallari''', a female [[cheetah]]. Zoe is one of the HTH strippers.

'''Other characters:'''
*'''Maxwell Moore''', a black male [[tomcat]] (text only). Maxwell is apparently the owner and manager of HTH and serves guests as a bartender. He seems to have many sexual relationships with the strippers.
*'''Boris''', an old male [[Crow (species)|crow]] (text only). Boris is from Russia and is one of Maxwell's regular customers.
*A female kangaroo and an avian character. The kangaroo (who is evidently a stripper) is having sex with a raven (or crow) character in the basement of the bar.
*There is also a crow in the far left upstairs room, but never does anything but read a book.

(Note: These are the characters that appear in Version 1.5. Characters from Version 1.7 are not included on this list.)

==== Locations ====

High Tail Hall has a bar with an outside balcony on the main floor, private rooms on the second floor, a dance floor and bar downstairs off the ground floor. There is also a secret entryway on the second floor, a hidden envelope containing erotic art and a codeword. In Version 1.7 the player has the option of going outside.

When in the storage room you can click on a hanger that will take you to a room to enter the codeword E1B2 (letters must be in caps)or you right-click and press play, That brings you to this weird scene with red circles with the numbers 13, 85, 27.

While outside, clicking on the fourth tree from the right, will trigger a cutscene of a tryst between a male [[herp]] and a female [[faun]].

== High Tail Hall 1.7 ==

Version 1.7 offered the opportunity to add your own character/[[fursona]] to the game engine for a fee. Unfortunately, a fire broke out in the Pendragon Entertainment studio, destroying the computer with all the commissions on it, and causing thousands of dollars worth of damage to the building.{{fact}}

All Pendragon Entertainment projects were suspended, but full refunds were given to everyone who commissioned a character. The improvements that were being added to version 1.7 were:

*A redesigned '''Tanya Winters'''.
*The ability to venture outside the pub, where one could find a non-working [[Wikipedia:Stargate_(device)|Stargate]], and a hidden spot with an orcish character and satyr.
*'''Jade Felicia Lanely''', a [[female]] blue [[fox]] (incomplete full interaction. Right-clicking "play" on the character shows some of the intended interaction, before the sequence abruptly ends.)

1.7 was recently dropped, and now only exists in an archived version.

== High Tail Hall 2.0 ==

[[File:HTH2Logo.png|right|250px]]
High Tail Hall 2.0 is the latest installment of the HTH series; as in the prior settings, a player can explore the newly renovated "High Tail Hall" strip club and bar, which has undergone some extreme renovations.

From March 2008 to December 2008, several new characters with numerous new adult character-to-player-to-character interactions have been constantly added to the game's content. According to Crowchild's FA page, an update was scheduled for October of 2009, but it did not occur. Crowchild resurfaced on February 21st 2010 promising an update within three weeks. However, this deadline was missed as well. The project is considered by much of the community to be dead.<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1224049/ Fur Affinity journal] by Crowchild, dated 21 February, 2010</ref>. Recently, TyvraPanther has commented on Crowchild's FA page, linking to a blog post made on her page, which answers some questions posed about the status of the project by the community.

New areas of the game can be seen in the overview map, but are currently offline, so the character is limited to certain zones, characters and interactions

==== Characters ====
[[File:HTH2Screengrab.png|right|thumb=HTH2Screengrab-300px.png|Lounge area in HTH 2]]
'''Fully interactive characters:'''
* '''Bella''', a female [[polar bear]] (voice acting by Amaracol Douceline).
* '''Rio Davis''', a female [[wolf]]/[[fox]] [[hybrid]] (voice acting by Tyvara Panther).
* '''Ginger''', a [[hermaphrodite]] [[cat]] (temp. inactive).
* '''Jezel''', a female [[husky]].
* '''Shelly''', a female [[collie]].
* '''Shemyay''', a female [[jackal]] (temp. inactive/off game).
* '''Cindy''', a female [[rabbit]].
* '''Kristy''', a female cat.
* '''Aleta''', a female [[parrot]] (voice acting).
* '''Tanya Winters''', a female Zebra (from HTH 1.5. Planned reintroduction).

'''Other characters:'''
* '''?''', male dinosaur (Bartender, new owner?).
* '''Bar group''', male [[duck]] with three female [[swan]]s.
* '''?''', a [[non-anthropomorphic]] parrot on a stand.
* '''?''', a female [[rat]].

== High Tail Hall Classic ==
[[File:HTH1remix.png|right|thumb=HTH1remix-300px.jpg|Beta scene of the bar in High Tail Hall Classic]]
On Halloween 2007, Crowchild released an image of the beta of the bar scene and a sound test of Max from an upcoming remake of High Tail Hall 1, currently titled '''''High Tail Hall Classic'''''.

HTHC will be total remake of the original game, and will feature the updated character models from HTH 2.0. It will also include voice acting.

The game currently has no set release date, and will be released onto [[Fur Affinity]] and Newgrounds.

== High Tail Hall: Twilight Cavern ==

A fan created spinoff of the original High Tail Hall is on the works, being designed by an artist by the name [[Jack Salem (artist)|Jack Salem]], which will consist of established and new characters and locations. It has been announced that there will be approximately 12 female characters, and 6 different places to explore, as well as an in-depth plot.{{fact}}

As far as male characters, only one has been announced, and recently it was also announced that this version of the game is focused around heterosexual relations only. There will be a music score, mostly jazz tracks, written by Jack himself. This project was announced in 2006, with the only releases so far being images of characters and as of Christmas Day 2006, a Beta Preview with animation.{{fact}}

Upon the creator of Twilight Cavern hearing that the original High Tail Hall has come back into creation, the Twilight Cavern project has been announced to be a separate endeavor. Jack has stated that Twilight Cavern will be made, but it will no longer have any ties to High Tail Hall, save for any appearing special characters, such as [[Luca Shoal]].{{fact}}

Jack has stated that he is indeed working on the project to the message-board Yiffstar, where the project was first announced.

Jack has started a commission service as a mini-fund raiser to support the re-creation of the Twilight Cavern Flash project, as posted in the miscellaneous Sub-forum at the Yiffstar community. He is establishing a new website and will be taking commissions for new characters shortly.

== OpenHTH ==

'''OpenHTH''' is an [[Wikipedia:open source|open source]] (as open as flash files can be) project based around High Tail Hall 1.7, the goal is to vastly improve the game, by enhancing existing content, but also adding to it.

The current version of OpenHTH is 1.0.2 which so far is only dialogue enhancements, replacing incorrect spelling and grammar, and typographical mistakes in the original HTH 1.7, some ambient music, and a few background animation enhancements.

Users are welcome to download the latest version and help add or enhance it, or download the base version (which is just the editable flash files of HTH 1.7) and try their hand at doing their own mod.

==== Phases ====
#'''Introduction to editing stage''': which is to replace all the dialogue, while pertaining to some sort of persistent back story, to give it more of an atmospheric and immersive feel to it (as far as Flash goes anyway), part of the first phase is also to extend the length of the dialogue, and have somewhat more of an interactive conversation, to set it up as more of a game for later stages, then finally after all that is done fix any animation errors, that may get accidentally introduced from the editing.
#'''Technical and creative theory stage''': which is to review the dialogue, plan where the game is headed, write up some design docs for planned expanded areas and characters, write the main and back story, figure out the character's persona and write the dialogue around that (creative writing class finally pays off :P).
#'''Technical backend stage''': which is to create a backend engine for the game from scratch, which will contain your basic RPG elements, the journal, the inventory, etc.
#'''Content creation stage''': which is of course, is to create new art and animation using what we planned out in the second phase to dictate what exactly we need to do, as well as sound effects, and creating a few musical scores.
#'''Putting it together stage''': which is to link the content to the backend, define what its supposed to do, whats supposed to happen with each conversation path etc, put in the right dialogue for the right character, get the journal to update on certain events, etc etc.
#'''Testing stage''': which is to obviously test what we have, see what works as intended, and to refine the game, correcting and fixing any errors, mistakes, bugs, etc.

Then finally it's finished, or is it? No not really, that 6 phase process can be repeated as many times, and with each lot of 6 phases can add as little or as much content as we please at the time.

Users can and are encouraged to contribute to this process, and critique upon whatever we have at any given point in time on the OpenHTH forums.

== Controversy ==

Early versions of High Tail Hall prior to version 1.1 included an uncredited clip of [[Wikipedia:Depeche Mode|Depeche Mode]]'s song "Personal Jesus." This clip was removed from 1.2 on.

Some people believe that High Tail Hall was inspired by [[The Tail Underground]], and vice versa. In fact, both [[Ian R. Soulfox]] and Pendragon Entertainment created their animations independently, with High Tail Hall being made after Tail Underground. Ian has mentioned that he doesn't mind the HTH, and that he enjoys its existence.

==References==
<references />

==External links==
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* [http://www.hthstudios.com www.HTHStudios.com HTH Studios'] official website
* [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/182224 High Tail Hall 1.5] at [[wikipedia:Newgrounds|Newgrounds]]
* [http://hth.freetzi.com/ High Tail Hall 1.7] archived copy
* [http://www.hthstudios.com/games/hth2.html High Tail Hall 2] official webpage
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/crowchild/ HTH's FurAffinity page.] Displays all up to the month HTH updates
* [http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_1nr_12500/http://drakkan.net/* OpenHTH Archive] Internet Archive backup of OpenHTH's webpage and source code.

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Dragon

2010-08-02T05:15:27Z

Silver seren: No?

[[Image:Extinctioners cast Dre by Ebonyleopard.jpg|right|thumb|[[Dre]], a fictional '''dragon''' character in [[Extinctioners]]]]
'''Dragons''' are a diverse mythological [[species]], rich in lore, appearance, form, color and nature. Although not all dragons have scales or are even entirely [[reptile|reptilian]], they are generally classified as [[scalie]] or [[herp]] within the [[furry fandom]]. With such diversity and adaptability to [[anthropomorphic]] characterization, the dragon has become one of the [[List of most popular phenotypes| most popular phenotypes]] of furries.
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== Non-anthro dragons ==
[[image:Autumn_slice_02.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Reflections of different realities.]]
Full-form, non-anthro dragons come in many shapes and sizes representing their origins from around the world.

* Western Dragons are usually large, leathery-winged, quasi-reptilian or saurian beings. In modern fiction they are sometimes warm-blooded, and reflect influences from contemporary knowledge of [[dinosaur]]s. Most have scales and some lay eggs. Variations include but are not limited to:
** Feathered [[wing]]s
** Fur coat or manes
** Un-scaled hides
* Eastern Dragons are generally long, sinuous, fur-bearing dragons without wings. Often, they have horns or antlers, and are the type depicted in Chinese or Japanese traditional art.
* Rare or Atypical Dragons such as Amphipteres or Wyverns - the moniker "Dragon" is applied to a staggeringly large number of creatures, some of which have very little to do with each other.
* Non-traditional or less common permutations, such as Fairy Dragons or even artificial and symbolic creatures - postmodern [[fantasy]] and [[science-fiction]] has portrayed the dragon as everything from a psychological [[Wikipedia:Meme|meme]] to [[Wikipedia:Steampunk|steampunk]] robots.

Character-oriented genres like Furry tend to portray non-anthro dragons with additional capabilities and tweaks to make them more accessible as a sentient character who might display human-like behavior. The capacity for human speech is common. It is also not uncommon to see dragons with dexterous, tool-using forefeet. One can find crossovers with dragon-like qualities in species concepts like the [[monoceros]].

== Anthro-Dragons / Dragonoids / Draconoids / Draconids ==

Anthropomorphic dragons, also known as [[draconids]] are similar to their full-form cousins, but [[humanoid]] or [[bipedal]]. [[Furry]] fantasy characterizations of this style of dragon may freely combine highly interpretive elements:
[[Image:AW6-Panko.jpg|right|thumb|176px|A Dz'isu by [[Brian Harp]]]]
* They may or may not have wings. Wings may not be functional for flying, or may be only for gliding.
* Feminine forms (be they female, [[herm]], or otherwise) frequently show [[mammal]]ian traits such as [[breasts]]. Such a character might still be defined as a reptile, or might be conceived more as a mammal with draconic features.
* Legs are often [[digitigrade]], but may be [[plantigrade]].
* Body hair and/or fur is common. It sometimes may be presented as birdlike proto-plumage or down.

In fiction, myth, and character back stories, non-humanoid and humanoid dragons are sometimes two aspects or variations of the same species. It is not uncommon for non-anthro dragons to possess the ability of [[shapeshifting]] in order to assume a humanoid form or presented as examples of parallel evolution.
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Known [[furry]] examples of anthro-dragons include [[Brian Harp]]'s Dz'isu, [[AraKaraath]] from his comic ''[[In A Perfect World]]'' and [[Phantomgraph]]'s Dracine.

== Draconic character traits ==

Dragons typically have many character traits ascribed to them. Due to the wide range of mythology and differing perceptions of their personality, there is no definitive guide to draconic characterization. Some classical and popular traits are:

* Hoarding valuable items. Traditionally seen as greed, but sometimes as protection of rarities or items which are valuable in more ways than material riches. Some items are often only of value to the dragon and are collected because of a particular interest or just because it's shiny or caught the dragon's attention.
* In [[Japanese mythology|Asian mythology]], an appreciation for fine foods and tea, culture, traditions, and rituals.
* Arrogance, selfishness and a sense of superiority and/or invulnerability.
* Vanity and great attention to appearances, though not necessarily physical.
* Defensive and territorial, preferring the company of other creatures to another dragon.
* A "breath weapon" of some kind, often visualized as the natural or mystical ability to exhale fire. There are many variations, ranging from icy breath to poisonous clouds. It has been suggested that this originates from the Christian idea that dragons (as "serpents" or "wyrms/worms") embody the tempting serpent of Hell, and thus their bellies are gates linked to Hell; whenever the dragon opens this gate, then, hellfire will belch out. However, such portrayal can also be considered a derogatory stereotype.
[[Image:Perndragon.jpg|right|thumb|136px|Dragons from the Dragonriders of Pern series]]
* Deference and even voluntary servitude to great wisdom, purity, power, or beauty.
* Curiosity about smaller, more delicate creatures such as men, to the point of obsession.
* Great cycles of sleep and regeneration, where a dragon might vanish for weeks, months, or years to slumber or hibernate.
* In the oriental context, a dragon is often seen as a messenger of divine powers or enforcer of the law of the gods.
* Mastery of arcane knowledge, such as alchemy and forms of sorcery or magical lore.

One trait many also conceptualize dragons with is referred to as the "pounce or ponder" instinct. A dragon tends to either make a snap decision - or else spend hours, days, or even years laboring over an idea, with little middle ground between the extremes.

==Dragons today==

Dragons have occasionally taken on a more humanistic sensibility in modern fiction. Anne McCaffrey's [[Wikipedia:Category:Dragonriders of Pern|Dragonriders of Pern]] saga is thought to be the beginning of the modern reconceptualization of the dragon. Particularly within [[comic book]]s, [[anime]], [[manga]] and [[furry fandom]], the dragon as a [[character]] or a personal avatar is often employed to add some draconic qualities onto a more human oriented foundation. Dragon characters commonly take on a more benign, playful, and warm persona.

* Non-anthropomorphic dragons are frequently direct allies of heroes and villains, and often serve as their protectors, companions or partners.
* ''[[In A Perfect World]]'', the comic strip by [[AraKaraath]], shows dragons as notorious for harassing postal carriers. Common traits include a love of [[shiny|shiny objects]], the ability to "lounge" almost anywhere, and a tendency to take a very long view of things.
[[Image:c-llewellyn.gif|right|thumb|180px|Llewellyn of [[Ozy and Millie]]]]
* Dragon characters are often crafted for appealing or exciting appearances as much as traditional mythological qualities, and combined with present day or science fiction settings in addition to traditional fantasy. Here, the dragon's traditional qualities are interpreted in a new context - for example, dragons might be masters of high technology rather than magic, or intellectuals rather than wizards.
* Dragons which have metaphysical elements may employ more modern ideas such as psionic abilities.
* The dragon might embody many traditional aspects, but for new purposes, such as humor. A good example of a traditional yet humorous and contemporary dragon is [[Llewellyn]], from [[D.C. Simpson]]'s comic strip [[Ozy and Millie]].

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== Multiplayer worlds ==

Dragon species have been prominent in a number of multiplayer worlds, including [[Alfandria]], [[Dragon's Shadow MUCK]], [[Loneport MUSH]], [[Faibanx]] and [[Ryksyll MOO]],[[Minions of Mirth]].
[[Image:Redtaildragon.jpg|thumb|250px|right|A drawing of a [[foxdragon]] by artist [[Arazia]].]]

==Dragon noises==
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There's no definitive "sound" for dragons. [[Cat]]s meow and purr, [[horse]]s whicker, nicker, whinny and neigh, but to date, there's been no real agreement on what sort of sound a dragon should make. There have, however been some generally popular ideas:
(Often spelled phonetically)
* '''Roar''': A roar.
* '''Rawr'''/'''Rwar'''/'''Mrawr'''/'''Rawrm''': A somewhat less intimidating roar. A friendly, sociable roar, or greeting - akin to the chuffing of [[tiger]]s. One of the more popular sounds, also used by creatures of other species. Recently, rawr has been used as a term to show arousal amongst dragons but, it is not well adopted.{{fact}}
* '''Awr''': When used as a variant of "aww", this sound can show disappointment. This sound can also be used to show curiosity or confusion, as in "awr?"
* '''Wark''': A noise also used by gryphons. An exclamation.
* '''Doot''': A happy dragon sound, like "dook!" for [[ferret]]s.
* '''Thrum''': A dragon purring. Also "rumble" or "trill" in some of the larger varieties.
* '''Growf''': like "rawr". Used as the common sound of the "What's New" dragon from ''[[Wikipedia:Dragon (magazine)|Dragon Magazine]]''s 1980s-era comic, [[Phil Foglio|What's New?]].
* '''Croon''': An intimate sound, most commonly used by parents to hatchlings.
* '''Kgnaw''': like chewing, but in a dragon's way.
* '''Mwrewl''': rarely heard more intimate sound of pleasure.
* '''Skree!''': a screech, can be pleasure, violence, or surprise.
* '''Yiss''': Literally the scaly version of [[Yiff]].
Many dragon sounds are like [[Wikipedia:Metasyntactic variable|meta-syntactic variables ]]: they mean whatever you need them to mean.

== Cautions ==
*It is widely considered a bad idea to poke or otherwise attempt to wake a Dragon of any kind while it's sleeping. Long sleeping cycles often make for a grumpy Dragon if woken early - and a sleepy, grumpy Dragon is likely to bite first and think later. The popular Harry Potter series makes fun of this, the school's motto being Latin for "Never tickle a sleeping dragon."
*It is considered impolite to call a Dragon a 'lizard' (flying or otherwise) - and if offense is intended, the results depend entirely upon the Dragon's personalty. Also any reference to a dragon being cold blooded, when they are not, tends to have the same effect.
*''Never'' steal shiny objects or spirits (as in drink) from a dragon! Most are highly protective of such things.
*If you invite a dragon to a party, be sure to have enough food for your guest. Many types of dragons are big eaters as they have large bodies and need large quantities of calories to keep moving, and they don't take kindly to a feast cut short.

== Relationship with Lizardmen ==
[[Lizardman|Lizardmen]] tend to work under Dragons. There have been claims that lizardmen are directly descended from dragons, but this is open to speculation. Dragons tend to look down upon Lizardmen due to the fact that dragons are more intelligent. However, Lizardmen have been known to be slightly stronger than many dragons.

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Dragon species|Dragon species]]
* [[:Category:Dragon characters|Dragon characters]]
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Talk:Dan Skunk and Furnal Equinox

2010-08-01T00:08:07Z

Silver seren: /* Appropriate */

That looks better.
There are some inaccuracies though. I didn't ask to leave the board of directors.
It might make more sense to put it in chronological order.
[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 14:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The proper term for what AEO is a "NPO" Non-Profit Organization. - Shane Nicholson

::Though, is it a Non-profit or a Not For Profit? In terms of legality there is a difference. [[User:Felinaeus|Feli]] 12:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:::AEO (the operating company) is registered in Ontario as a "Corporation without Share Capital". Regardless of distinction directors do not obtain any gain from our operations. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 13:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Appropriate ==

"This article covers the relationship between '''Dan Skunk and Furnal Equinox'''." This opinionated editorial is already covered by two other articles, there is no reason to move the bulk of this Dan Skunk/Furnal Equinox discussion to a third one - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Dan Skunk refuses to have this information on the page about him and said that it should be split off. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:08, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Watchtail

2010-07-31T16:27:11Z

Silver seren: Turn something bad into something good. :D

{{Infobox website
| title = Watchtail
| image = [[Image:Watchtaillogo.jpg]]
| caption =
| author = Owner: [[Nedded]]
* Admins: Nedded, Romstop
| url = http://watchtail.com/
| status = Beta
| began = March 31, 2010
| ended = Ongoing
| genre = Video streaming site
| rating =
}}

'''Watchtail''' is a video streaming site, similar to [[Wikipedia:Livestream|Livestream]], [[Wikipedia:Ustream|Ustream]] and [[Wikipedia:Justin.tv|Justin.tv]], with [[furries]] as its target audience. It allows [[artist]]s to stream live video of their drawing process, which has become a popular practice. Unlike its three main competitors, which restricts streams to PG-PG-13 related material, Watchtail permits adult rated content to be shown.

Like the other websites, Watchtail features a chat room alongside the video which allows the audience to interact with the artist. It also provides artists with an area to link to their galleries, and to customize their user page.<ref>[http://www.watchtail.com/faq.php Watchtail FAQ]</ref>. The site currently does not overlay advertisements on video streams.

Watchtail's [[mascot]] is '''Watchfox''', a bluish-purple fox whose color is derived from the website's color scheme. Watchfox always appears wearing a vest and tie, and carries a pocketwatch. The markings on Watchfox's forehead are reminiscent of the letter "W." Watchfox was created by [[Nedded]], the site's founder.<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3463787 Watchfox, as drawn by Nedded on FA]</ref>

Watchtail was recently bombarded with trolls, and the site owner, [[Nedded]], has decided to redesign the backend security of the site. The trolls were successfully able to take control of every chatroom, bypass banning systems and ban any user they desired. This attack has occurred more than once, pushing [[Nedded]] to continue to add more safety protocols to the site. This has resulted in a general loss of popularity for the site.<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1590588/ "Another Watchtail journal" - Nedded]</ref>

==References==
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Softpaw Magazine

2010-07-31T16:16:59Z

Silver seren: /* Ending Publications */

[[File:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' was the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, mainly featuring [[erotic]] art and stories. It was published by [[Dream Field Comics]], and distributed online and through [[Rabbit Valley]].

The first issue of ''Softpaw'' was published in October 2006. A story-based spinoff, '''''Finding Avalon''''', was first published in July 2008.

''Softpaw'' was popular, but also highly controversial due to its subject matter, with publicized bans at [[Eurofurence]] and [[Further Confusion]].
{{WikiFurNews|AAE bans Softpaw from Further Confusion 2008 over legal fears}}
{{WikiFurNews|Eurofurence 13 bans Softpaw}}
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}
== History ==

''Softpaw'' was partially inspired by Arcc's "Ivan & Tas" series on the [[Secretmoon]] [[oekaki]], a haven for fans of cub artwork.<ref>''[http://www.secretmoon.org/oekaki/index.php?a_match=Arcc#699 Ivan & Tas 8]'' (NSFW) - comment by [[Jery Softpaw]] (22 September 2008)</ref> The publishers drew from a mix of established artists and authors on Secretmoon and [[Cub Central]], as well as new artists on websites like [[Fur Affinity]]. As the production of ''Softpaw'' cost a large amount of money, pre-orders and donations were encouraged, with donators' nicknames printed on the last page of each issue.

Some contributors [[News:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue|held events to promote the comic]], such as the popular pizza parties at Further Confusion and [[Califur]]. However, attempts by artists to distribute the comic at [[Eurofurence]] were thwarted when [[News:Eurofurence 13 bans Softpaw|the convention banned the work]], followed shortly after by a [[News:AAE bans Softpaw from Further Confusion 2008 over legal fears|ban at Further Confusion]], where publishers had planned to release ''Softpaw'' #3.

''Softpaw'' #2 was listed in the [[Ursa Major Awards]]'s 2007 Recommended Anthropmorphics List in the ''Best Fanzine'' category. The next year, both ''Softpaw'' #3 and #4 and ''Finding Avalon'' #1 [[News:2008 Ursa Major Award voting open|made it onto the awards ballot]], for ''Best Magazine'' and ''Best Comic Book'' respectively. In the end, neither work won, but the fact that they had got that far [[News:2008 Ursa Major Award winners announced#Controversy|concerned]] those who felt such works should not be considered for the award.

For the 2009 Awards, a rule blocking "works of a predominantly sexual nature, or which include explicit sexual situations involving characters which may be underage or non-anthropomorphic animals" was added.<ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/c/2009-ursa-majors-open-not-all 2009 Ursa Majors open, but not to all]'' - [[GreenReaper]], [[Flayrah]] (22 January 2010)</ref> As no issues of ''Softpaw'' or ''Finding Avalon'' were published in 2009, this rule was not tested against them.

== Issues ==
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''Softpaw'' issues have been released on a six- to nine-month basis. However, there have been no new releases since 2008.

=== Issue #1 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue1cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #1'' cover ([[Coonkun]])]]
The first issue was printed in October 2006 and was initially shipped on November 15th, 2006. The recommended retail price is stated as US$19.95 - significantly more than most other periodical furry comics and fanzines.

This issue is comprised of 64 color pages and contains the following stories:

* "The Day Before The Exam" a gay-content comic by Óscar Eduardo Alejandro Jiménez ([[The End Of The World]]) and [[BA]]
* "Teacher's Love" a straight-content comic by [[Jkal]] and [[Beastmaker]]
* "PJ Pup" a gay-content comic by [[Looqdrake]]
* "Little Entrepreneur" a gay-content comic by [[Edis Krad]]
* "The Milkshake Club" a story/comic mix by [[Athalon Ferret]] and [[Artdecade]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Coonkun]], [[Fennec]], [[Gilbhart]], [[Inuki]], [[Kichigai Kitsune]], [[Krezz Karavan]], [[Lune Cheetah]], [[McDutt]], [[Sylus Foxdragon]], [[Wolfblade]], [[Zen]] and [[Zippo]].

=== Issue #2 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue2cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #2'' cover ([[Lando]])]]
Issue two was printed in June 2007 and made its debut at [[Anthrocon 2007]] The recommended retail price is US$19.95. A pack of issues #1 and #2 was subsequently made available for US$29.95.

This issue contains the following stories in 80 full-color pages:

* "Sleep Over", a gay-content comic by [[Shiuk]]
* "Zeak's Wonderful Life of Doom", a straight-content comic by [[Jkal]], [[Azures]] and [[HySeed]]
* "Those Good Old Games", a straight-content comic by [[Bbmbbf]]
* "Brave?", a straight-content comic by [[Momiji Yuuga]]
* "Bath Time", a gay-content comic by [[Inuki]]
* "The Perfect Size", a straight-content comic by [[Krezz Karavan]] and [[BBMBBF]]
* "Flower Kitties", a straight-content comic by [[Papaya Kitty]]
* "Tyler's Trouble", a gay-content comic written by [[Crassus]] and drawn by [[Shiuk]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Ben Raccoon]], [[BA]] (credited as A Bee), [[Fennec]], [[Coonkun]], [[Skifi]], [[Edis Krad]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[ZEN]] and [[Lando]]

The original image of the back cover by Inuki reveals more of the characters genital area. This was covered with some white steam in the published version. A limited print of the original artwork was shipped together with a pack consisting of Softpaw #1 and #2 if directly ordered from Inuki shortly after release.

=== Issue #3 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue3cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #3'' cover ([[Shiuk]])]]
The third issue was first printed on January 2008. This issue was expected to be released at [[Further Confusion 2008]], until convention staff informed Softpaw that their magazine “would be against their new rule banning representations of minors engaged in sexual acts.”<ref>http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/frontpage/index.php?blog=1&p=140&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more140</ref> The recommended retail price was US$24.95. Despite the lack of a convention release and the higher price tag, the third issue still sold out at [[Rabbit Valley]].

This issue contains the following stories in 96 full-color pages:

* "Finding Avalon", written by [[Jery Softpaw]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw]], drawn by [[BA]] (credited as A Bee)
* "The Milkshake Club: Part 2", a gay content comic written by [[Athalon Ferret]], drawn by [[Fel]]
* "Zeak's Wonderful Life of Doom", a gay content comic by [[HySeed]]
* "Happy Trip", a straight content comic by [[Zorro Re]]
* "Here Comes Annie", a straight content comic by [[BBMBBF]]
* "Little Red and the Big Bad Wolf", a gay content comic by [[Shiuk]]
* "A Knight's Tail", gay content comic by [[Mek]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Coonkun]], [[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Celestial]], [[Lando]], [[Leon Flare]], [[Meesh]], [[Meow Rouge]], [[Momiji Yu-ga]], [[Zen]] and [[Zippo]]

=== Issue #4 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue4cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #4'' cover ([[Papaya Kitty]])]]
The fourth issue was first printed on November 2008 and sold for a retail price of US$19.95. Buyers who pre-ordered ''Softpaw'' #4 got a free issue of another Softpaw Magazine or of Finding Avalon with their order.

This issue contains the following stories in 64 full-color pages:

* "Winter Fun", a gay content comic written and inked by [[Amiramasi]], colors by [[K]]
* "Oh, Brother!", a gay content comic by [[Wolfblade]]
* "Oasis Tome 1&2", a straight content comic written and pencilled by [[Jkal]], inks by [[Hyseed]], color by [[Miao]]
* "The Insatiable Prince", a gay content comic by [[A Bee]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Ben Raccoon]], [[Inuki]], [[Mek]], [[Papaya Kitty]] and [[Wishing Star]] as well as some illustrations by the story's artists.

== Finding Avalon ==
[[File:Softpaw FindingAvalonLogo.jpg|right|Softpaw Magazine's Finding Avalon Logo]]
''Finding Avalon'' is a comic based on two series started in ''Softpaw'', and is meant to take a more serious approach to cub artwork. Its format is 40 pages, full color, glossy, in the big magazine size.
[[File:SoftpawMagazine FAvalon Cover1.jpg|right|frame|Finding Avalon #1 cover ([[Shiuk]])]]
===Issue #1===

The first issue was printed in June 2008 and initially released at [[Anthrocon 2008]]. Mail-order issues started shipping in July 2008. The recommended retail price was US$14.95 and it includes two stories in comic form:

* "Beyond Words" written by [[Jery Softpaw]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw]], drawn by [[Zorro Re]]
* "Even Now" by [[Shiuk]]

[[A Bee]] and "kitty" Maverick also contributed standalone artwork for the inside covers.

==Ending Publication==

On 15 June 2010, Dream Field Comics announced that it would stop publishing work, including ''Softpaw'', with a note on their website:<ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/c/softpaw-publishers-close-after-five-year-run Softpaw publishers close after five year run]'' - [[GreenReaper]] (16 June 2010)</ref>

<blockquote>"''It's been an amazing ride. More than 5 years of publishing, six major releases, record-breaking sales online and at conventions and 3 of our books nominated for community awards. We set new standards in quality and were one of the first furry publishers to lead the way with full color printing.''

''But all good things come to an end. It's time for us all to move on to other things and end on a high.''

''Dream Field Comics is now closed and will no longer be publishing any of its former titles.''

''We can never thank everyone enough for your support and encouragement through the tough times and the best times in our history. The response and acceptance we got from the community was surprising and wonderful.''

''The projects that were listed as "in progress" may still be published privately. Please contact the artists for more details. The Dream Field Comics email address will no longer be checked.''

''Don't be sad this part of the journey is over. We all dared to do something that changed our little bit of the world in a good way forever. Those opportunities don't come often in a lifetime!''"</blockquote>

Dream Field's Jery Softpaw later made a post explaining that he "[didn't] have the time or money to keep doing it", and that some of the stories would be continued on by [[Inkbunny]].<ref>''[http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1488634/ Fear Not]'' - [[Jery Softpaw]] (18 June 2010)</ref>

== References ==
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== External links ==
* [http://dreamfieldcomics.com/ Dream Field Comics] - publisher's website
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7200_4659___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-2.html #2] [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7452_4659___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-3.html #3] and [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7826_4659___Softpaw-Magaine-Issue-Number-4.html #4] at [[Rabbit Valley]]
* [http://www.furstars.eu/the-auctionhouse/softpaw-magazine-and-finding-avalon-discounted-for-furstars-members Softpaw 1, 2, 3 and Finding Avalon] at FurStars.eu (Approved European Stockist)

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Talk:Folf

2010-07-31T16:12:08Z

Silver seren:

'Pholph' is actually a derivative name I created, when people started using "Folf" more commonly. Its also where the domain name I use for hosting the Jack comic (www.pholph.com) came from. Its not "commonly known as", since I also 'created' the term... -Ryan (Since I don't recall having an account, I can't log in. Those who know me, know how to get ahold of me to confirm this is me.)

: A quick check with Google confirms this. We should probably create an article for [[Pholph.com]] and set up [[Pholph]] as a disambiguation page that points to the first page and to here. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::Agreed [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 17:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

just for reference, is the plural "folves" or "folfs"? -[[User:Prokadae|Prokadae]]

:I believe it is folfs, but I don't have anything to back that up. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think it is folfs as well. Folves just sounds weird and wrong. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:12, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiFur:Did you know?

2010-07-30T22:40:05Z

Silver seren: Archive for July 30th, 2010

The '''[[Template:Did you know|Did you know]]?''' section highlights features of newly-added articles on the front page. It is an important part of the [[:Category:WikiFur featured content|WikiFur featured content]] system, as many new articles are interesting but not quite up to [[WikiFur:Featured articles|featured article]] status.

The template linked above can be edited to include the newest articles - make sure to provide an archive copy below! It is probably a good idea to link to different articles in the [[:Template:Newbar|new articles bar template]], to avoid duplication.
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== Archive ==
=== 2010 ===

==30 July==

*'''[[Primal Rage]]''' is a fighting [[Wikipedia:Video game|video game]] that features giant [[Dinosaur|dinosaurs]] and [[Primate|apes]] who are revered as gods on a [[Wikipedia:Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction|post-Apocalyptic]] [[Wikipedia:Earth|Earth]], where the level of technology for humanity had been reduced to the [[Wikipedia:Stone Age|Stone Age]].
*'''[[FurNation Magazine]]''' was an [[Wikipedia:Anthology|anthology]] published by [[FurNation]] that featured [[furry]] art, comics, and stories, and had a new issue released at every [[Anthrocon]] and [[Further Confusion]] [[convention]].
*'''[[Bunny Suicide]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|radio show]] hosted by various [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|UK]] furs and is modeled after [[2 Sense]], featuring a Q&A panel and a section about [[Wikipedia:Current affairs (news format)|current affairs]] in the world.
*The '''[[SOAP|Society Of Anthropomorphics]]''', otherwise known as '''SOAP''', is a furry [[Wikipedia:Community|community]] at [[Wikipedia:Virginia Tech|Virginia Tech]] that is unique in that it is also a Registered Student Organization (RSO) with the university.

==24 July==

*The '''[[Furry Broadcasting Corporation]]''' is a [[furry]] [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|internet radio station]] that was implemented in 2005 during the stop in production of [[2 Sense]], though the FBC became largely defunct in late 2009.
*'''[[Justa Lotta Animals]]''' is a team of [[anthropomorphic]] [[Animal|animals]] that were featured in stories published by [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] and served as a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Justice League of America|Justice League of America]] in their [[Wikipedia:Crisis on Infinite Earths|pre-Crisis]] form.
*'''[[Fursuit bowling]]''', an activity that involves people in [[Fursuit|fursuits]] attempting to bowl, is featured often at smaller [[Convention|conventions]] and there have been multiple bowl offs featured between [[Furries Vs. Klingons|Furries and Klingons]].
*'''[[Club Flex]]''', previously known as '''The Locker''', is an adult establishment on [[Second Life]] that promotes furry [[Wikipedia:bodybuilding|bodybuilding]] and [[Wikipedia:Muscle|muscular]] bodies, though the club is open to everyone regardless.

==16 July==

*'''[[Radio Unifurse]]''' is a radio show run by Aerek, [[Alkora]], Arren Jevleth, and [[The Sonic God]], created in 2008, which airs for two hours on Sunday after the [[Funday Pawpet Show]].
*'''[[Dylan Rinald]]''' is a [[furry]] [[artist]] that founded a [[Wikipedia:Yahoo!|Yahoo!]] group called the BootedFurries, which failed to garner significant attention, but became the inspiration for the later project, the [[BootedFurs]], of which he is a moderator.
*The '''[[Kevin and Kell Role-Playing Game]]''' was written by Jamie Borg and Michael Hopcroft, illustrated by creator [[Bill Holbrook]], and published by ComStar Media in 2005.
*'''[[Kia|Kia Motors]]''' released a [[Wikipedia:Commercial|commercial]] in 2009, and another in 2010, featuring [[anthropomorphic]] [[Hamster (species)|hamsters]] driving Kia vehicles and dancing to music.

==9 July==

*'''[[Gold Digger: The Time Raft]]''' is an [[Wikipedia:United States|American]] [[Wikipedia:Original video animation|OAV]] series based on the "Time Raft" arc from the [[Gold Digger]] comic books series created by [[Fred Perry]], which began creation in 1999 and is a compilation of the three separate parts made in the years since.
*'''[[BootedFurs]]''' is a community-driven [[Wikipedia:Web portal|web portal]] that cater to [[Furry|furs]] that are interested in [[Wikipedia:Boot|boots]] and [[Wikipedia:Leather|leather]], ranging from those with a slight interest to those with a leather [[fetish]].
*'''[[The Secret Life of Pokémon Breeders]]''' is a [[webcomic]] set in the [[Pokemon]] universe that features [[anthropomorphic]] characters that act as breeders of Pokémon.
*The '''[[2005 Ursa Major Awards]]''' was held at the [[Wikipedia:Radisson Hotels|Radisson Suites Hotel]] in [[Wikipedia:Huntsville, Alabama|Huntsville, Alabama]] and occurred during the [[Rocket City FurMeet 2006]].

====2 July====

*'''[[Claws and Paws]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Newspaper#Organized and personnel|newspaper office]], which acts as a setting for a series of [[Wikipedia:Children's literature|children's books]], written by [[Malcolm Hall]], that features a variety of [[anthropomorphic]] [[animal|animals]].
*'''[[WhoFurs]]''' is a [[podcast]] that is hosted by [[Fuzzwolf]] and [[Tealfox]] and revolves around the [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] television show [[Doctor Who]].
*The '''[[2002 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were given out at the final [[ConFurence 2003|Confurence in 2003]] and were also the last to be awarded and organized by the [[Confurence Group]]; [[Wikipedia:Chris Sanders (director)|Chris Sanders]] of [[Wikipedia:The Walt Disney Company|Walt Disney Entertainment]], half of the directing team behind "[[Wikipedia:Lilo and Stitch|Lilo and Stitch]]" was there to receive the award for Best Anthropomorphic Motion Picture.
*'''[[The Dawn Chapel]]''' is a weekly [[webcomic]] that consists of multiple [[Wikipedia:Short story|short stories]] 4-8 pages long that always feature animal characters in some manner.

====25 June====

*'''[[Naturally]]''' is a series of commercials from [[Orangina]] that features [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]] [[anthropomorphic]] animals in various acts that can be viewed as vaguely, though sometimes rather overtly, sexual.
*'''[[Foxcub Radio]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Radio station|radio station]] hosted by [[FoxMajik]] that includes both [[furry]] programming and announcements from local [[Wikipedia:California|California]] awareness groups on various subjects.
*The '''[[2004 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were awarded and given out in the Wyndham Philadelphia Hotel at [[Anthrocon 2005]].
*'''[[Murloc|Murlocs]]''' are an [[Wikipedia:Amphibious|amphibious]] race of [[Fish|fishmen]] featured in the [[World of Warcraft]] universe that are greatly reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:H. P. Lovecraft|H.P. Lovecraft's]] [[Deep Ones]].

====18 June====

*'''[[Inkbunny]]''' is an online [[art|art site]] catering to the [[furry fandom]], primarily used for the sale of high-resolution digital downloads and [[print]]s.
*The '''[[2003 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were the first UMA ceremony to be performed after the last [[Confurence]], to allow public nominations and voting, and to be held outside the [[Wikipedia:United States|United States]].
*'''[[Souls RPG]]''' is a [[werewolf]] [[roleplaying]] [[forum]] established in 2001.
*'''[[Coney Dewclaw]]''', a character from the [[webcomic]] ''[[Kevin and Kell]]'', is a [[rabbit]] who acts [[carnivore|carnivorously]], causing great mayhem in the Dewclaw family.

====11 June====

*For the '''[[2007 Ursa Major Awards]]''', only [[D.C. Simpson]], creator of [[Ozy and Millie]], was available to personally receive her award among the winning nominees.
*'''[[8-Bitch Fyve]]''' is a flash animation that acts as a parody of animations made by [[Wikipedia:8-Bit Theater|8-Bit Theater]].
*'''[[What The Fur 2010]]''' had a theme of Pirates vs. Ninjas; the [[Guests of Honor]] were [[Max Black Rabbit]] and [[gNAW]].
*'''[[The Furry Writers Guild]]''' acts as a conglomeration of information and links for high-level [[Writer|writers]] of [[furry fiction]] in the [[fandom]].

====4 June====

*'''[[Higher Than the Stars]]''' is a song and [[Wikipedia:Music video|music video]] that featured several [[fursuiters]] in it.
*'''[[Furboree]]''' is a [[furry camping]] [[convention]] that combines camping events and furry activities, along with a [[Dealer's Den]].
*'''[[Taxidermy]]''' involves processes that are similar to when the skin of a [[Wikipedia:Chicken|chicken]] is removed prior to [[Wikipedia:Cooking|cooking]].
*'''[[Shiuk]]''' is a [[furry artist]] who has created several comics for the furry [[Wikipedia:Magazine|magazine]] [[Softpaw Magazine|Softpaw]] since 2007.

====28 May====

*'''[[FA Rank]]''' is a ranking system based on the relative popularity of [[Fur Affinity]] users.
*'''[[Furry Canada Day]]''' is an annual [[furry meet]] consisting of walking through downtown [[Wikipedia:Ottawa|Ottawa]], with some attendees in [[fursuits]].
*'''[[The Cat Came Back]]''', a 1988 animated short film, was placed on [[Wikipedia:Cartoon Network (United States)|Cartoon Network's]] 100 Greatest Cartoons of All Time list.
*'''[[Furnal Equinox 2011]]''' is a proposed convention in [[Wikipedia:Toronto|Toronto]], whose theme is planned to be "Wild Magic"; [[ZEN]] is to be a Guest of Honor.

=== 2009 ===
*'''[[Furry Weekend Atlanta 2008|FWA 2008]]''' expenses included $2761 for [[conbadge|convention badges]], $648 in [[Wikipedia:PayPal|PayPal]] fees, and $700 in tips.
*'''[[IndyFurCon]]''' (iFC), a [[furry convention]] chaired by [[Tora NightProwler]], is planned for [[:Category:Indiana|Indianapolis]] in 2010.
*A movie version of Roald Dahl's '''''[[Fantastic Mr. Fox]]''''' is scheduled to be released in theaters in November 2009
*'''''[[We Are Mongrels]]''''' has been plugged as "''[[Wikipedia:Avenue Q|Avenue Q]]'' meets ''[[Wikipedia:Family Guy|Family Guy]]''"
*'''[[Furry Weekend Atlanta 2010|FWA 2010]]''' will have a "Carnaval" (Brazilian Carnival) theme
*State Farm produced a '''[[State Farm Mascot commercial|commercial]]''' with a [[squirrel]] [[mascot]], hinting him to be a furry

=== 2008 ===

====31 July ====
*'''[[ConFurtiva]]''' plans to be [[:Category:Mexico|Mexico]]'s first ever furry [[convention]]
*[[IRC]] network '''[[EsperNet]]''' features a handful of furry-themed channels
*Small press organization '''[[Jarlidium Press]]''' has rescued a few [[fanzine]]s, including ''[[The Dallas Brawl]] Update'' and ''[[North American Fur]]''
*'''[[Xavious]]''' sporadically uploads videos of the ''[[Funday PawPet Show]]'' to [[YouTube]]
*'''[[Wolfie Fox]]''' made the biggest fully working ''[[Wikipedia:Stargate|Stargate]]'' network in [[Second Life]]

====20 April ====

*'''[[Furnet]]''', the largest furry IRC network, has almost 700 channels. '''[[Anthrochat]]''', the next largest, has almost 150 channels.
*'''[[Loyalty and Liberty]]''' is an [[graphic novel]] about 18th century life and the American War of Independence, where people are illustrated as [[cat]]s.
*'''[[Furry-Within]]''' is an adult furry community, created in late 2007, which runs competitions based around users submitting creative works.
*'''[[Skies Above MOO]]''' (previously '''Nexus of Souls MOO''') was a [[roleplaying]] [[MOO]] with "gryphons, pegasi, dragons and rocs"
*The '''[[Encyclopaedia of Unusual Sex Practices]]''' is a reference book which contains an entry on "Anthropomorphic cartoons"
*'''[[The Cunning Little Vixen]]''' was a play/opera first performed in 1924 and was written by the Czech composer Leos Janacek.

=== 2007 ===

====5 November====
*'''[[rec.arts.furry]]''' was proposed in early 2000 by [[Kay Shapero]] and [[Mitch Marmel]] as a moderated alternative to the [[:Category:Newsgroups|newsgroup]] '''[[alt.fan.furry]]'''
*The '''[[Schweizer Stammtisch]]''' ('''Swiss Roundtable'''), a [[furmeet]] in the bars and pubs of Oerlikon in Zürich, [[:Category:Switzerland|Switzerland]] regularly has a turnout of over 20
*'''[[American Furry: Life, Liberty and the Fursuit of Happiness]]''' is an in-progress documentary on [[fursuit]] culture in America from Brooklyn-based filmmaker, [[Marianne Shaneen]]
*'''''[[Hell Hath No Furries]]''''' is an article by [[Jennifer Abel]] that appeared in the ''[[Wikipedia:Hartford Advocate|Hartford Advocate]]'', in which she reported on her experiences as an undercover attendee at [[FurFright 2007]]
*'''[[Fursuit.de]]''' is a German-language wiki about the materials and methods involved in constructing [[fursuit]]s
*'''[[Ritachan]]''', a German-language [[image board]] for [[furries]], takes its name from the [[fox]] Rita, a character in the Danish [[anthropomorphic]] cartoon franchise ''[[Jungledyret Hugo]]'' ([[Wikipedia:Jungledyret Hugo|in Wikipedia]])

====14 August====
*[[convention|Furry conventions]] arranged over $50,000 in '''[[charity|donations to charity]]''' last year, and over $35,000 so far this year (updated at 4 September after MFM)
*'''[[Further Confusion 2008]]''' has a clubhouse in [[Second Life]] featuring a pagoda with free t-shirts and steps illustrated with previous years' logos
*[[Wikipedia:Argentina|Argentine]] furry meetup '''[[UFACon]]''' has been held in [[Wikipedia:Rosario|Rosario]] as part of a comic convention since 2004
*310 individuals (including 25 [[fursuit]]ers) attended the first instance of '''[[FA: United]]'''

====12 July====
*[[Wikipedia:Guiness World Records|Guiness World Records]] is reviewing a claim that the 353 [[fursuiter]]s at the [[fursuit parade]] of [[Anthrocon 2007]] may be a world record for ''Most Mascots in a Parade''
*A new version of the '''[[6-2-1 rule]]''' has been suggested by the [[Dorsai Irregulars]], recommending 6 miles walked, 2 snacks and 1 nap per day
* '''''[[The Bohemians]]''''' is a [[furry]] [[web comic]] authored and drawn by [[Sophie Cabra]] inspired by the hit Broadway musical [[Wikipedia:RENT (musical)|RENT]]
*'''[[Caring Critters]]''' is a [[mascot]] performing group for appearances at charity events, parades and other events

====22 June====
* '''[[Uncle Kage]]'s''' name is actually an abbreviation of ''Kagemushi Goro'', or the Samurai Cockroach, his selected [[fursona]]
* '''[[Fandom's Favorite Fursuit Fracas]]''' is a showcase tournament for [[fursuit]]s run in a bracket tournament style and chosen through a voting process on [[LiveJournal]]. It was organized by [[Exile Huscoon]] and [[Rhett Foxcoon]]
* '''[[March of the Furries]]''' is an article from the Denver Westword newspaper, featuring a review of [[Rocky Mountain Fur Con]], an interview with [[Uncle Kage]], and other commentaries from various [[furries]]
*A new '''[[LAFF Bowling]]''' event has been started, in addition to the original one. This second event is organized and run by [[Rayven Wolffe]] and [[Blazger]]

====21 May====
*The winners of the '''[[Ursa_Major_Awards#2006|2006 Ursa Major Awards]]''' [[News:2006 Ursa Major Award winners announced|were announced]] at [[Califur 3]].
*'''[[LAFF]]''' opened its annual summer softball season on May 19th with a Softbowl Extravaganza.
*'''Charlene''' of the '''''[[Mousey Love Girls]]''''' passed away of bone cancer on May 19, 2007, according to a post by [[Cigarskunk]].
*'''[[Rainbow Ark]]''' is a [[LiveJournal]] community for [[gay]] [[Christian]]s in the [[furry fandom]].

====7 May====
*The '''[[Califur Train]]''' departs for Southern California each May with a group of Seattle and Vancouver area furries.

====20 April====
*'''[[StarrBucks]]''', another property of [[Banner]], was one of the locations closed down in the recent closing of [[The Lining]] on [[Tapestries]].
*The [[convention]] '''[[United!]]''', sponsored by [[Fur Affinity]], is now open for registration.
* The [[Wikipedia:Stormtrooper (Star Wars)|stormtrooper]] often seen at California [[furry]] [[convention]]s is none other than furry veteran '''[[Ironbadger]]'''.
* '''[[Fur Weekend Camping & BBQ]]''' will be held May 4-6, 2007 this year in Gordonsville, Virginia.
* '''[[Furry Zine]]''' is an online [[zine]] available on [[LiveJournal]] whose main goal is to help raise women's awareness in the furry community.

==== 6 April ====
*A new '''''[[Underdog]]''''' movie will be released in August 2007 based off the popular cartoon [[dog]] superhero, starring [[Wikipedia:Jason Lee|Jason Lee]] as his voice
*'''[[The Golden Lash]]''' is now under [[Ruhemaus]]' ownership
* ''Winter wolves'' are a [[species]] created by '''[[Chinook McMutton Z]]''', based off of a creature in the [[Wikipedia:Dungeons and Dragons|AD&D]] [[Wikipedia:Monster Manual|Monster Manual]]
* '''[[Chuck Jones]]''', the famous animation director responsible for [[Pepe Le Pew]], created cartoons until his death in 2002; his last work was [[Thomas Timberwolf]]
* '''[[Soki Twopaw]]''' has launched a project on YouTube to extinguish what he sees as the public's [[stereotype|stereotypical]] views on [[furry]] culture

==== 6 March ====
*[http://www.ursamajorawards.org/Voting.htm Voting] for the 2006 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' opens March 10
*'''[[Katie Hofgard]]''' (Wolf Nymph/Shadow Wolf) will be the first [[guest of honor]] at [[All Fur Fun]]
* '''[[Cuprohastes]]''' painted the [[bunny]] character used in the [[IQ Challenge|IQ challenge hoax]]
* '''[[Vicki Fox]]''' is not only a popular [[webcomic]] character, but also the corporate [[mascot]] of Vicki Fox Productions Inc
* The '''[[Meekometer]]''' is a [[plushie]] unit of measurement used to calculate the relative size of a [[plush toy]]

==== 2 February ====
*[http://www.ursamajorawards.org/nominations.htm Nominations] for the 2006 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' are now open
*'''''[[T.H.E. Fox]]''''' was an online comic first published in 1986 on [[Wikipedia:Quantum Link|Quantum Link]]
* Many [[:Category:Fictional species|fictional species]] draw from '''[[Egyptian mythology]]'''
* '''[[Pandaguy's Picnic]]''' is held in [[Wikipedia:Washington, DC|Washington, DC]] over the last week of September
* '''''[[Bristled]]''''' centers around the lives of three [[female]] roommates

=== 2006 ===
==== 25 November ====
*The '''[[Furry Cruise]]''' is an event where [[furries]] go on a cruise ship together. It takes place on an annual basis, the first one being in 2005.

==== 3 October ====
*'''[[FurFright]]''', '''[[Furloween]]''', and '''[[Howloween]]''' are all Halloween-themed furry events held in October.

==== 2 October ====
*The '''[[Furry Music Foundation]]''' is a website dedicated to furry musicians, including its administrator [[Chama C. Fox]], and has numerous songs available for download
*'''[[The Asylum (Psychiatric Clinic for Abused Cuddly Toys)|The Asylum]]''' is is an online Flash game by Martin Kittsteiner that takes place in a clinic specialising in the treatment of mentally disturbed [[plush toy|plush toys]]
*'''[[Rage]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Trading Card Game|CCG]] published in 1995 by [[White Wolf]] featuring werewolf packs battling other packs, evil monsters and trying to save the world
*'''[[Nidhogg]]''' is an artist with interests in [[Wikipedia:Norse Mythology|Norse Mythology]] who is working on a graphic novel
*'''[[Coffee Night]]''' is a furry coffee meet held every Tuesday in Brisbane, Australia
*'''[[Animagusurreal]]''' is a furry artist known for his psychedelic and surreal techniques
*'''[[Empires]]''' is a science-fiction story featuring [[anthropomorphic]] animals and debuted with [[Yarf]] in January 1990

==== 14 September ====
*''[[Packlands]]'' is a novel by '''[[Steven F. Scharff]]''', published as installments in ''[[Rowrbrazzle]]''
*'''[[Dingofox|Dingo]]''' is the technical administrator of [[Yerf]]
*The '''[[Furry is Life]]''' logo was created by [[Quadrupedal Jellybean]]
[[Image:Furry is Life.jpg|center|230px|Furry is Life]]
*'''[[Polska Strefa Furry]]''' is a [[forum]] for [[Wikipedia:Poland|Polish]] furs
*'''[[ConClave]]''' is a [[science fiction]] and [[fantasy]] [[convention]] held in [[Wikipedia:Michigan|Michigan]]

==== 16 August ====
* '''[[Rod O'Riley]]''', the editor of ''[[In-Fur-Nation]]'', has also hosted the '''[[Furry Fandom Lounge]]''' at [[Worldcon]].

==== 12 July ====
[[Image:RTR.jpg|right|Rapid T. Rabbit on The Daily Show]]
* '''[[AlohaWolf]]''' made a cameo on the infamous '''''[[CSI]]''''' episode
* '''[[Rapid T. Rabbit]]''' was interviewed on '''''[[The Daily Show]]'''''
* '''[[Artist]]''' '''[[Ainsley Seago]]'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s uncle starred as an actor in ''[[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]''
* Ailsa Berk, who played [[StarWars:Amanaman|Amanaman]] in ''[[StarWars:Return of the Jedi|Return of the Jedi]]'', is a regular at '''[[Further Confusion]]'''
* WikiFur features a '''[[List of media links|list of media links]]''' related to the fandom
* You can chat with other '''[[Wikifurries]]''' on the '''[[WikiFur:IRC|#wikifur IRC channel]]'''

==== 29 May ====
[[Image:UrsaMajor-sized.png|right|Ursa Major Awards]]
The 2005 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' were announced at [[Rocket City Fur Meet]]:

:* [[:Category:Novels|Novel]]: '''''[[Volle]]''''', by [[Kyell Gold]]
:* [[:Category:Fanzines|Fanzine]]: '''''[[South Fur Lands]]'''''
:* Comic Book: '''''[[Usagi Yojimbo]]''''', by [[Stan Sakai]]
:* [[:Category:Comics|Comic Strip]]: '''''[[Faux Pas]]''''', by [[Robert Carspecken|Robert]] and [[Margaret Carspecken|Margaret Carspecken]]
:* [[:Category:Short stories|Short Fiction]]: '''''[[In His Own Country]]''''', by [[Kristin Fontaine]]
:* [[:Category:Games|Game]]: '''''[[Wikipedia:Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves|Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves]]''''', by [[Wikipedia:Sucker Punch Productions|Sucker Punch Productions]]
:* Other Literary Work: '''''[[Tales of the Questor|Tales of the Questor, Volume 1]]''''', by [[Ralph E. Hayes, Jr.]]
:* Dramatic Short Work: '''''Cake Dance''''' ''aka'' "'''''[[There she is!!|There She Is!! Step 2]]'''''", by [[SamBakZa]]
:* Motion Picture: '''''[[Wikipedia:The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe|The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe]]'''''
:* Published Illustration: '''[[Cybercat]]''''s cover painting for ''[[Transformations: A Forest Tales Story]]'', by [[Bernard Doove]]

* That the [[gryphon]] is the 21st [[List of most popular phenotypes|most popular]] [[fursona]] followed by the [[coyote]]?
==== 10 May ====
[[Image:Bunny3.png|right|100px|Smart Bunny]]
* The '''[[IQ Challenge]]''' was a [[LiveJournal]] [[meme]] created by [[Triggur]] and illustrated by [[Cuprohastes]]
* '''''[[Mythagoras]]''''' was a furry [[fanzine]] primarily edited by [[Watts Martin]]
* '''[[Dream (Furcadia)|Dreams]]''' are user-created places in [[Furcadia]]
* '''[[GraphXPress]]''' has published ''[[Red Shetland]]'', ''[[Equine the Uncivilized]]'', ''[[Morphs]]'' and ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]''
* The title and end theme to the '''[[Otter Island Radio Show]]''' was derived by [[Chama C. Fox|Chama]] from [[Wikipedia:Peter Howell|Peter Howell]]'s work at the [[Wikipedia:BBC Radiophonic Workshop|BBC Radiophonic Workshop]]

==== 4 May ====
[[Image:AAPic11.jpg|right|105px|And and Aardvark]]
*'''''[[The Ant and the Aardvark]]''''' is one of the more memorable classic cartoons since ''[[Wikipedia:The Pink Panther (character)|The Pink Panther]]''
*'''[[Sculpture]]''' is a growing form of [[furry art]]
*The '''[[Temple of Divinity]]''' is an Egyptian-themed [[role-playing]] area on [[Tapestries MUCK]]
*[[Oklacon]] was once known as the '''[[Festival of the Feral]]'''

==== 28 April ====
* '''[[AnthroAsia]]''' is a community website for furs and anthros in the Asian region. (Added to April 20's list.)

==== 20 April ====
[[Image:BanraiHead.png|right|Banrai]]
* '''[[Banrai]]''' has created several [[fursuit]]s, including [[Augenti]], [[Kasan]] and [[Conch]]
* '''[[CritterConDiego]]''' was a mini [[furry convention|furry con]] held in [[Wikipedia:San Diego, California|San Diego ]] from 2000 to 2002 on the same weekends as [[Comic-Con International]]
* '''[[Lapism]]''' is a belief system in stories by [[Phil Geusz]]
* '''[[Gabriel Gentile]]''' is an [[anti-furry]] [[artist]] once expelled from the [[Burned Furs]]
* '''''[[Chronicles of Sol]]''''' is a [[science-fiction]] series following rogue [[dragon]]ess [[Sol Fyres]]

==== 29 March ====
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*'''[[PlushMUCK]]''' was a PG-rated, invite-only [[MUCK]], named after the local currency: [[plush toy|plushie]]s
*'''[[Xoxios-Lan]]''' fell upon [[Lemon Orange]]'s knife ten times in one ''[[Macropod Madness]]'' shower scene
*'''[[Tavatiana]]''' is an [[anthropomorphic]] [[rabbit]] doe in ''[[Gene Catlow]]''
*'''[[Kaze (character)|Kaze]]''' is the main character of ''[[Kaze: Ghost Warrior]]'' by [[Timothy Albee]]
*'''[[Fauxpaw Publications]]''' publishes both ''[[Fur Visions]]'' and ''[[Fur Plus]]''

==== 22 March ====
[[Image:Bestiary.jpg|right|100px|The Bestiary]]
* '''[[The Bestiary (playing cards)|The Bestiary]]''' is a set of [[Wikipedia:Playing card|playing cards]] featuring 54 [[species]] by 33 artists
* '''[[Cub Conclave]]''' is an [[island (Second Life)|island]] for [[babyfur]]s in [[Second Life]]
* [[Human]]s and aliens go to school together in '''[[Teenagers From Outer Space]]'''
* '''[[YiffyToys.de]]''' is the european distributor of [[Furrystyle]]'s adult products
* We list '''[[Conventions listed by attendance|conventions by attendance]]''' and '''[[List of furry discussion forums|furry discussion forums]]'''

==== 7 March ====
[[Image:Socialbunny.jpg|right|100px|The Social Bunny]]
* The '''[[Social Bunny]]''' is an imaginary friend who appears to lonely sims in ''[[The Sims|The Sims 2]]''
* The music video to '''''[[Beautiful]]''''' by [[Wikipedia:Moby|Moby]] was performed entirely by [[fursuit]]ed characters
* '''''[[Inverloch]]''''' won the [[Wikipedia:Web Cartoonist's Choice Awards|Web Cartoonist's Choice Award]] for ''Outstanding Fantasy Comic''
* '''[[Tiger Paw]]''' is the chair of [[Furry Weekend Atlanta]]
* The '''''[[DSV Nautica]]''''' is a fictional starship led by Captain '''[[Neesah]]'''

==== 27 February ====
[[Image:YiffyYaffleRanger.png|right|90px|Yiffy Yaffle, Forest Ranger]]
*'''[[Yiffy Yaffle]]''' is Head of Security for [[The Forest]]
*[[とらんすふぁ]] (TRANSFUR) is a Japanese furry [[convention]]
*'''[[Outlander]]s''' were introduced by ''[[Simba's Pride]]'', sequel to ''[[The Lion King]]''
*'''[[Minerva Mink]]''' is a character in ''[[Animaniacs]]''
*'''[[S'A'Alis]]''' began hosting [[FurryMUCK]] in October 1993
*A 32-foot [[inflatable]] '''[[McGruff]]''' is available for crime prevention events
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==== 19 February ====

* '''''[[Exodus]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Pepper]] using characters from [[Furcadia]]
* '''[[The Tail Underground]]''' is a Flash-based adult website by [[Ian R. Soulfox]]
[[Image:TheTailUnderground.png|300px|center|The Tail Underground]]
* A '''[[Chakasa]]''' is a very [[chakat]]-like [[taur]] creature
* '''[[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]]''' is the largest collection of ''[[The Lion King|Lion King]]'' fan artwork on the internet
* '''[[Helix]]''' is a robot character from ''[[Freefall]]''

=== 2005 ===

==== 24 December ====

*[[Image:Logo_PolFurs.gif|right|PolFurs.org]]'''[[Polfurs|Polfurs.org]]''' is a Polish furry community website
*'''''[[Castle Horsetooth]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Oren Otter]] and [[Eala Dubh]], both formerly of the [[TSA]]
*'''[[Dragon's Eye Productions]]''' is the independent gaming company that created [[Furcadia]] and [[DragonSpires]]
*The '''[[F.I.A.]]''' was the theme of [[Eurofurence]] 8
*'''[[Faibanx MUCK|Faibanx]]''' is a [[MUCK]] inhabited mostly by users of [[Lava Dome Five]]
*'''''[[Suicide For Hire]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Rafael Medina]] about two high-school juniors and their lucrative business dealing death to self-pitying peers

==== 13 December ====

*'''[[HerbstCon]]''' is a [[convention|furry convention]] in [[:Category:Germany|Germany]]
*'''''[[The Generic Adventurers]]''''' is a one-shot seven-page comic by [[Chris Farrington]]
[[Image:GenericAdventurers.jpg|center|300px|The Generic Adventurers]]
*'''[[Jazz The Rabbit]]''' ran [[Midwest FurFest]]'s con suite from 2002-2005
*'''[[FurryPrints.com]]''''s motto is ''Putting Paws to Paper''
*'''''[[Blue Horizon]]''''' is a [[:Category:Story series|story series]] by [[Ted Blasingame|Ted]] and [[Eileen Blasingame]], and [[Steve Carter]]

==== 4 December ====
[[Image:playmouse_logo.png|right|PlayMouse]]
* '''[[PlayMouse]]''' is an [[:Category:Art archives|archive]] for [[erotic]] [[furry art]]
* '''[[FDCMuck]]''' was a small [[MUCK]] created in November 1994
* The '''[[Wampus Cat]]''' is a [[cougar]]-like [[feline]] said to live in the [[Wikipedia:Appalachian Mountains|Appalachian Mountains]]
* The '''[[Apathetic Furs]]''' was an idea for a joke group suggested by [[furry artist|artist]] [[Brian O'Connell]]
* '''[[Alicia Retban]]''' is a small [[Wikipedia:fennec|fennec]] that frequents [[FurryMUCK]], [[Tapestries MUCK|Tapestries]], and [[Furcadia]]

==== 25 November ====
[[Image:jalan.jpg|100px|right|Jalan seen from outer space]]
* '''[[Jalan]]''' is an inhabited [[Wikipedia:Extrasolar planet|extrasolar planet]] in the [[Felios]] system on [[Furscape]] [[MUCK]]
* The infamous '''[[Vixen Vending Machine]]''' made its first appearence on [[FurryMUCK]] in 1996
* [[Aaaamory|Vanessa '''Aaaamory''' Pridgen]] (also known as '''Honah Lee''') is a [[furry artist]], illustrator and professional animator
* '''[[The Giants' Club]]''' is the main [[macrophile]] hangout on FurryMUCK
* There is no '''[[furry cabal]]'''

==== 17 November ====
* The '''[[Furry Home at Squirrel Hill]]''' was a [[:Category:Furry houses|furry house]] founded (along with [[FurryMUCK]]) in late 1990 by [[Centaur (person)|Centaur]], [[Ashtoreth]], [[Drew Maxwell]] and [[Shaterri]]
* [[eurofurence (font)|eurofurence]] is a family of freeware sans-serif fonts developed by [[unci]] for the first [[EuroFurence]] in 1995
* Many [[furry artist]]s keep a '''[[sketchbook]]''' for trading and sharing sketches at [[furmeet]]s and [[convention]]s
* '''''[[Fangs of K'aath]]''''' is a novel by [[Paul Kidd]]
[[Image:Y!gallery logo.jpg|right|100px]]
* '''[[y!Gallery]]''' is a themed gallery related to illustrations and stories of [[Wikipedia:Homosexuality|homosexual]] male relationships

==== 11 November ====
[[Image:tsat.png|right|90px|tsat]]
* '''''[[TSAT]]''''' is a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories
* '''''[[The Yiffy Guide to Safer Sex]]''''' is a PDF file containing sexually explicit art which explains safe sex to [[furries]]
* The '''[[Artist's Ambush]]''' is a weekly gathering on [[FurryMUCK]] where [[artist]]s recieve a subject, then make an image inspired by or related to it
* '''[[Tes-Tui-H'ar]]''' is a German [[feline]] who started [[Eurofurence]] in 1995

==== 7 November ====
[[Image:Avatarserver.jpg|right|100px|Avatar Archive]]
* The '''[[Avatar Archive]]''' (also known as the '''Furry Art Archive''') was an [[Wikipedia:File Transfer Protocol|FTP]] site created by [[S'A'Alis]] as a continuation to [[Steven Stadnicki]]'s [[Tezuka]] FTP server
* '''[[Side 7]]''' is an [[:Category:Art archives|art archive]] and artist's community that had its origin as a [[BBS]] in 1992
* '''[[The Bagel Cult]]''' are a sinister cult created by [[Kelvin the Lion]] and featured in ''[[11 Will Die]]''
* The '''[[Christian Furry Fellowship]]''' is an [[:Category:Organizations|organization]] led by [[Oren Otter]] whose aims include improving the image of the fandom in the [[Christian]] community

==== 4 November ====

[[Image:furscape264dc.jpg|right|100px|Furscape]]
* '''[[Furscape]]''' is a [[MUCK]] set 200 years from today, in a multi-planetary, hard [[science fiction|SF]] universe
* '''[[Randy Fox (character)|Randy Fox]] & [[Cindy Fox]]''' are the main characters of the '''''[[Faux Pas]]''''' [[webcomic]] by [[Robert Carspecken|Robert]] & [[Margaret Carspecken]]
* '''[[Free paws]]''' is a web page and Yahoo group dedicated to furry fans and [[furry lifestyler|lifestylers]] who enjoy being barepawed both in character and in [[real life]]
* '''[[ČeSFuR]]''' is a furry [[convention]] in the [[Wikipedia:Czech Republic|Czech Republic]]
* '''[[Foxglove]]''' was a female [[bat]] [[character]] appearing in a single episode of ''[[Wikipedia:Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers|Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers]]''

==== 1 November ====

[[Image:Nagarebosi01.jpg|100px|right|Run and Run!]]
* '''''[[Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin]]''''' is a epic story starring [[talking animal]]s ([[dog]]s) created by [[Wikipedia:Yoshihiro Takahashi|Yoshihiro Takahashi]]
* The '''[[FurBQ]]''' is the largest informal, annual gathering of [[furs]] in the [[SoCalFurs]] region
* The March 1994 issue of '''''[[Wired magazine]]''''' featured ''Johnny Manhattan Meets the Furry Muckers'', one of the first mainstream articles published about furries
* '''''[[The Furkindred]]''''' is a furry shared universe media property published by [[MU Press]]

==== 30 October ====

[[Image:OOP.png|right|100px|Order of Potter]]
* The '''[[Order of Potter]]''' was the ''"[[Wikipedia:Internet|Internet]]'s most pointless award,"'' as described by its creator, former [[furry]] artist [[Eric Blumrich]], recognizing the conspicuous merits of [[:Category:Publications|publications]] and [[:Category:People|individuals]] in two specifically distinct categories: [[funny animal]]s and [[Wikipedia:Politics|politics]]
* A '''[[talking animal]]''' is a non-[[anthropomorphic]] [[animal]] with [[human]]-like attributes, usually intelligence and speech
* The '''[[Michael-Scot McMurry Award for Conspicuous Integrity]]''' was an idea brought forth by [[Wolf Smith]] and then [[ZonieCon]]'s chairman, [[Scott Malcomson]] on 10 April 2001, to honor the memory of the recently-deceased [[furry artist]] [[Michael-Scot McMurry]]
*'''''[[SKORCH]]''''' was the "semi-official [[fanzine]] of the [[Burned Fur]] movement"

==== 27 October ====

* '''[[Yiff: The Card Game]]''' is a [[furry]]-themed card game, with cards showing furry [[character]]s, often nude, aroused and/or in some form of [[BDSM|bondage]], first demonstrated during [[Conifur Northwest]] [[Conifur Northwest 2003|2003]]
* The '''[[Jack Lynch Mysteries]]''' are a series of six semi-[[furry]] hardboiled detective [[science fiction|SF]] stories by [[Clint Warlick]], five of which were published in ''[[Yarf!]]'' between 1991 and 1997
* '''''[[Playfur (website)|Playfur]]''''' was a website showing covers of a fictitious magazine based on the look of [[Wikipedia:Playboy (magazine)|Playboy magazine]], featuring pictures of nude or semi-nude [[furry]] [[female]]s in suggestive poses
* [[Image:Taron.JPG|140px|right|Pan-Taron!]]'''''[[PANDA-Z]]''''' (created by [[Wikipedia:Shuichi Oshida|Shuichi Oshida]]) is an alleged spoof of the popular [[anime]] ''[[Wikipedia:Mazinger Z|Mazinger Z]]''
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==== 23 October ====

* [[Image:Zoocrew issue1.jpg|right|100px|Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew]]'''''[[Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew]]''''' is a [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] comic book property about a team of [[funny animal]] superheroes created by [[Roy Thomas]] and [[Scott Shaw!]] and published from 1982 to 1983
* The '''[[funny animal fandom]]''' is composed of individuals who enjoy the classic funny animals from the [[Wikipedia:Golden Age of Comics|Golden Age]] and [[Wikipedia:Silver Age of Comics|Silver Age]] of comics
* '''''[[Nivlek]]''''' is the star of a [[comic]] created by [[Kelvin the Lion]] catering to the [[voraphile]] and [[babyfur]] communities
* '''[[StarrBucks]]''' is a coffee house on Castro just north of [[The Lining]] in [[Tapestries MUCK|Tapestries]]

==== 20 October ====

* '''''[[Rapid T. Rabbit and Friends]]''''' is a [[pawpet]] show broadcast on [[Wikipedia:public-access television|public-access television]] in New York since 1983 and regularly featured on the [[Funday PawPet Show]]
[[Image:Ff cover.jpg|right|100px|Furry Fantasies]]
* '''''[[Furry Fantasies]]''''' was the first furry music CD ever produced, compiled by [[Cheetah (musician)|Cheetah]] in 1998 from music by nine artists
* '''[[Radio Furtopia]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:SHOUTcast|SHOUTcast]] radio station run by the [[Furtopia]]n community

==== 14 October ====

* The '''[[Sabrina Online Radio Play]]''' is an audio drama based upon ''[[Sabrina Online]]'' by [[Eric W. Schwartz]], adapted and produced by [[Mindy Mousie]] of [[Midnite Lilly Productions]]
[[Image:Crush Yiff Destroy.png|right|96px|Rankin, the barfing raccoon]]
* '''[[Rankin]]''' is the the barfing [[raccoon]] [[mascot]] of [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]], created by [[Donotsue]]
* To '''[[floof]]''' is the impolite act of "fluffing" a [[furry]] [[character]] and/or [[fursuiter]]'s [[fur]]
* [[The Raccoon's Bookshelf]] is a archive and small press for [[furry fiction]] run by [[Mike Regan]]

==== 8 October ====

* '''[[Luskwood]]''' was the first widely known furry gathering area on [[Second Life]], popular for its furry [[Avatar (virtual reality)|avatars]]
* '''[[Zonie]]''' was a furry comic strip by the late [[Michael-Scot McMurry]], centering around the adventures of the a yellow-furred [[Anthropomorphic|anthro]] [[coyote]] in a black vest and polka-dot bandana
[[Image:Nanami.JPG|right|97px|Nanami and his (or her) friend Michi (Mi-chan)]]
* '''[[Nanami-chan]]''' ('''ななみちゃん''', aka ''Little Nanami'') is a [[mascot]] created by [[Wikipedia:NHK|NHK]] to celebrate the 15th anniversary of their satellite service, '''BS'''
* '''[[Humans in fursuits]]''' is a term used to describe furry [[character]]s in a [[:Category:Fictional locations|fictional setting]] who think, feel, and act much the same as a [[human]] would

==== 4 October ====
* '''[[TR Wolf]]''' recently appeared on the [[Funday PawPet Show]], where he gave an impressive command performance of ''[[Wikipedia:Numa Numa|Numa Numa]]''.
* The '''[[Meekometer]]''' (also known as a Meeko Unit, or simply Meeko) is a [[plushie]] [[Wikipedia:Units of measurement|unit of measurement]] used to calculate the relative size of a plush toy. One meekometer is roughly equal to 0.5 metric metre, or 20 standard inches.
* '''''[[Dook (sound)|Dook]]!''''' is the recognizable vocalization smaller members of the ''[[Wikipedia:Mustelidae|Mustelidae]]'' family make, and was also the name that the [[ArtVark]] art archive went by during its development stages.

==== 2 October ====

* '''[[Terry Knight]]''' (a.k.a [[Mayfurr]]) is an amateur [[furry artist]] and occasional writer residing in [[Wikipedia:Wellington|Wellington]], [[Wikipedia:New Zealand|New Zealand]]. His cartoon art has been published in several [[fanzines]] including ''[[Fur Visions]], [[YARF!]]'', and ''[[South Fur Lands]]''
* The '''[[National Association of Furry Fans]]''' ('''N.A.F.F''') was a semiserious proposal for a [[furry fandom]] recognized group that would have controlled and dispensed "legal" [[Furry]] ID cards/[[Badge]]s
* The '''[[Altani]]''' are a species of alien [[vulpines]] from the [[Other Suns]] [[science fiction]] [[role-playing]] game

==== 1 October ====

* '''''[[Here Comes a Candle]]''''' is an [[anthropomorphic]] graphic novel by [[Mary Hanson Roberts]], originally appearing as a serial in [[Furrlough]], later collected/reprinted as a single-volume trade paperback by [[Shanda Fantasy Arts]].
* A '''[[SPH]]''' ('''Strategically Placed Hole''') is a [[plushophile]] term for a modified hole or aperture added to a [[plushie]] toy for sexual purposes. Some [[fursuits]] have been known to have an "SPH" built into it for sexual or joke purposes, too.
* '''[[Chythar]]''' (RL Name '''Matthew Muench''') is a long-time [[furry fan]] and electronic games programer, former significant other to [[furry artist]] [[Manawolf]], who enjoys working on his Mustang and living in Los Angeles.

==== 30 September ====

* A '''[[Pong]]''' is an often comical and/or embarrassing, written [[IRC]] post or paragraph that has an obvious, non-intended, freudian slip. This term originated on the [[Yiffnet]] [[#furry]] channel, and they were so popular, both innuendo and mirth, that [[Tet Solfire]] started collecting the best in [[Tet's Pong Database]].

==== 24 September ====

* You can link to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] like this: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|text to show]]</nowiki>. Do this for articles that are not particularly furry-specific in nature.
* You can copy text from [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] to here; just put <nowiki>{{Wikipedia|name_of_their_page}}</nowiki> at the bottom. Do this for furry articles that need expanding.

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*'''[[Primal Rage]]''' is a fighting [[Wikipedia:Video game|video game]] that features giant [[Dinosaur|dinosaurs]] and [[Primate|apes]] who are revered as gods on a [[Wikipedia:Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction|post-Apocalyptic]] [[Wikipedia:Earth|Earth]], where the level of technology for humanity had been reduced to the [[Wikipedia:Stone Age|Stone Age]].
*'''[[FurNation Magazine]]''' was an [[Wikipedia:Anthology|anthology]] published by [[FurNation]] that featured [[furry]] art, comics, and stories, and had a new issue released at every [[Anthrocon]] and [[Further Confusion]] [[convention]].
*'''[[Bunny Suicide]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|radio show]] hosted by various [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|UK]] furs and is modeled after [[2 Sense]], featuring a Q&A panel and a section about [[Wikipedia:Current affairs (news format)|current affairs]] in the world.
*The '''[[SOAP|Society Of Anthropomorphics]]''', otherwise known as '''SOAP''', is a furry [[Wikipedia:Community|community]] at [[Wikipedia:Virginia Tech|Virginia Tech]] that is unique in that it is also a Registered Student Organization (RSO) with the university.
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Dan Skunk

2010-07-30T17:23:39Z

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'''Dan Skunk''' (born May 22, 1974)<ref name="DanSkunkLJP">[http://danskunk.livejournal.com/profile Dan Skunk's profile] on [[LiveJournal]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> is a [[furry]] who lives in [[Wikipedia:Oshawa|Oshawa]], Ontario, Canada.<ref name="DanSkunkLJP"/> Dan Skunk's hobbies include writing poetry.

Dan was a furry from a very young age. Since the age of three, he would daydream about being a [[Skunk (species)|skunk]], and often felt different or wanted to be something else.<ref>[http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk's biography] on [[FurNation]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> He discovered [[furry fandom]] on Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 10:21 PM, when he watched ''[[Animal Imitators]]'' on TLC and discovered there were others with similar feelings to himself.

== Fandom involvement ==

Dan Skunk is active within the [[Toronto Furry]] group {{fact}}.

The original [[Toronto-furry]] website, which ran was 1998 to late 2005, was reopened by Dan on [[FurNation]] in May, 2006 and grew from 32 members to 400 before it was renamed to [[Ontario Furries]] in 2008. As of July 2010, it had over 1000 members, making it the most popular Canadian furry site.

Dan Skunk created the first chat room for Toronto furs, [[#torfur]] in 2005 as well, then [[#toronto-furry]] in 2006, and [[#OntarioFurries]] in 2008, all on [[FurNet]].

Dan Skunk was a volunteer at [[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest Furfest]] in 2007, becoming staff from 2008 to present.

Dan Skunk was co-founder and organizer of the Toronto Furry Spaghetti Factory Dinner from 2007 to 2009, Co-Founder of the [[Islington Furmeet]] in 2008.

Dan Skunk claims to have founded [[Furnal Equinox]] because he claims to have been doing research for a possible convention in Toronto, Ontario in the summer of 2008, helping find the venue, gathering the needed financial resources and then in late 2008 creating a message board on [[Ontario Furries]] for members of the Ontario furry community to discuss the convention and making a post inviting people to help organize and staff it and that this project eventually became known as [[Furnal Equinox]].

He cites his post on the Toronto Furry mailing list on December 3, 2008 as evidence.

This claim is contested by members of [[Furnal Equinox]]'s organizing committee. This situation is [[dan skunk and furnal equinox|ongoing]] and the disagreement has spilled over to [[Ontario Furries]] several times.

==See Also==

* [[Dan Skunk and Furnal Equinox]]

==References==
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==External links==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[FurNation]]
* [http://danskunk.livejournal.com/ Dan Skunk] on [[LiveJournal]]

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*The '''[[Furry Broadcasting Corporation]]''' is a [[furry]] [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|internet radio station]] that was implemented in 2005 during the stop in production of [[2 Sense]], though the FBC became largely defunct in late 2009.
*'''[[Justa Lotta Animals]]''' is a team of [[anthropomorphic]] [[Animal|animals]] that were featured in stories published by [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] and served as a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Justice League of America|Justice League of America]] in their [[Wikipedia:Crisis on Infinite Earths|pre-Crisis]] form.
*'''[[Fursuit bowling]]''', an activity that involves people in [[Fursuit|fursuits]] attempting to bowl, is featured often at smaller [[Convention|conventions]] and there have been multiple bowl offs featured between [[Furries Vs. Klingons|Furries and Klingons]].
*'''[[Club Flex]]''', previously known as '''The Locker''', is an adult establishment on [[Second Life]] that promotes furry [[Wikipedia:bodybuilding|bodybuilding]] and [[Wikipedia:Muscle|muscular]] bodies, though the club is open to everyone regardless.
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Jeeves

2010-07-29T22:06:50Z

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[[Image:Jeeves.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Jeeves, as drawn by [[Kacey Miyagami]]]]

'''Jeeves''' (also known as '''Jeeves The Roo''', '''Jeeves 'Roo''', and the '''Bouncy Pouncy Roo''') is, unsurprisingly, a kangaroo. His character has few distinctive markings beyond mid length brown headfur, though in the past he was known to roleplay including a comedic marsupial 'pouch' in his male character's stomach. This pouch served as both a Mary Poppins 'bag of holding', and could be used for carrying other furs around. Jeeves has publically stated that he and his fursona are rather similar in their personality, both with an optimistic outlook on life, but that he is somewhat more reserved than his bouncy furry alter ego. He currently resides in the UK and attends University as an undergraduate student studying for a degree in Zoology.

==Public works==
Since 2004 Jeeves has posted fictional stories from general to XXX adult rating on the furry story and art archive, [[SoFurry]]. Since 2007 he has also displayed his work on [[Furaffinity]]. Jeeves is solely a writer within the fandom, and cannot draw, thus all the work posted on his user pages was drawn for him as either a gift or a commisson by other artists.

From 2008 onwards Jeeves began to take written story commissions, primarily through his [[Furaffinity]] page, currently charging between $5 and $20 for a story depending on the length and level of complexity involved. Over the summer of 2010 he announced that he was going to be working full time on commissions as his sole source of income, which he has so far managed whilst maintaining a tight budget for his personal life.

==The fandom and Personal life==

From 2004-2009 Jeeves served as a moderator and reviewer on [[Yiffstar]], now [[SoFurry]]. He retains the title of moderator on SoFurry, but his presence there is lessened due to his current full time job as a writer.

Since joining the fandom in 2003 Jeeves has been 'mated' twice, but decided that he would rather seek to cultivate friendships online and leave romantic pursuits for the 'real world'. He is currently single, and while he does allow his fursona to appear in romantic or sexual situations within his stories he maintains that he does not wish to enter into any sort of romance within the furry fandom.

As a fur, Jeeves believes that being a part of the furry fandom should be fun and enjoyable above all else! While he does enjoy his place within the fandom, he has declared on several occasions that many furs take the fandom far too seriously. While he and his fursona are very similar in personality, leading some of those who know him within the fandom to ask if he's open about his furriness in public, Jeeves does keep his life within and beyond the fandom separate.

Jeeves' interests include writing, reading, countryside walks, and pub quizzes.

==External links==
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jeevestheroo Jeeves the Roo] on [[Furaffinity]]
* [http://jeeves-the-roo.livejournal.com/ Jeeves the Roo] on [[LiveJournal]]
* [http://jeeves.sofurry.com/ Jeeves] on [[SoFurry]]

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Jeeves

2010-07-29T17:37:55Z

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[[Image:Jeeves.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Jeeves, as drawn by [[Kacey Miyagami]]]]

'''Jeeves''' (also known as '''Jeeves The Roo''', '''Jeeves 'Roo''', and the '''Bouncy Pouncy Roo''') is, unsurprisingly, a kangaroo. His character has few distinctive markings beyond mid length brown headfur, though in the past he was known to roleplay including a comedic marsupial 'pouch' in his male character's stomach. This pouch served as both a Mary Poppins 'bag of holding', and could be used for carrying other furs around. Jeeves has publically stated that he and his fursona are rather similar in their personality, both with an optimistic outlook on life, but that he is somewhat more reserved than his bouncy furry alter ego. He currently resides in the UK and attends University as an undergraduate student studying for a degree in Zoology.

=Public works=
Since 2004 Jeeves has posted fictional stories from general to XXX adult rating on the furry story and art archive, [[SoFurry]]. Since 2007 he has also displayed his work on [[Furaffinity]]. Jeeves is solely a writer within the fandom, and cannot draw, thus all the work posted on his user pages was drawn for him as either a gift or a commisson by other artists.

From 2008 onwards Jeeves began to take written story commissions, primarily through his [[Furaffinity]] page, currently charging between $5 and $20 for a story depending on the length and level of complexity involved. Over the summer of 2010 he announced that he was going to be working full time on commissions as his sole source of income, which he has so far managed whilst maintaining a tight budget for his personal life.

=The fandom and Personal life=

From 2004-2009 Jeeves served as a moderator and reviewer on [[Yiffstar]], now [[SoFurry]]. He retains the title of moderator on SoFurry, but his presence there is lessened due to his current full time job as a writer.

Since joining the fandom in 2003 Jeeves has been 'mated' twice, but decided that he would rather seek to cultivate friendships online and leave romantic pursuits for the 'real world'. He is currently single, and while he does allow his fursona to appear in romantic or sexual situations within his stories he maintains that he does not wish to enter into any sort of romance within the furry fandom.

As a fur, Jeeves believes that being a part of the furry fandom should be fun and enjoyable above all else! While he does enjoy his place within the fandom, he has declared on several occasions that many furs take the fandom far too seriously. While he and his fursona are very similar in personality, leading some of those who know him within the fandom to ask if he's open about his furriness in public, Jeeves does keep his life within and beyond the fandom separate.

Jeeves' interests include writing, reading, countryside walks, and pub quizzes.

==External links==
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jeevestheroo Jeeves the Roo] on [[Furaffinity]]
* [http://jeeves-the-roo.livejournal.com/ Jeeves the Roo] on [[LiveJournal]]
* [http://jeeves.sofurry.com/ Jeeves] on [[SoFurry]]

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Jeeves

2010-07-29T17:13:00Z

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[[Image:Jeeves.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Jeeves, as drawn by [[Kacey Miyagami]]]]

'''Jeeves''' (also known as '''Jeeves The Roo''', '''Jeeves 'Roo''', and the '''Bouncy Pouncy Roo''') is, unsurprisingly, a kangaroo. His character has few distinctive markings beyond mid length brown headfur, though in the past he was known to roleplay including a comedic marsupial 'pouch' in his male character's stomach. This pouch served as both a Mary Poppins 'bag of holding', and could be used for carrying other furs around. Jeeves has publically stated that he and his fursona are rather similar in their personality, both with an optimistic outlook on life, but that he is somewhat more reserved than his bouncy furry alter ego. He currently resides in the UK and attends University as an undergraduate student studying for a degree in Zoology.

=Public works=
Since 2004 Jeeves has posted fictional stories from general to XXX adult rating on the furry story and art archive, [[SoFurry]]. Since 2007 he has also displayed his work on [[Furaffinity]]. Jeeves is solely a writer within the fandom, and cannot draw, thus all the work posted on his user pages was drawn for him as either a gift or a commisson by other artists.

From 2008 onwards Jeeves began to take written story commissions, primarily through his [[Furaffinity]] page, currently charging between $5 and $20 for a story depending on the length and level of complexity involved. Over the summer of 2010 he announced that he was going to be working full time on commissions as his sole source of income, which he has so far managed whilst maintaining a tight budget for his personal life.

=The fandom and Personal life=

From 2004-2009 Jeeves served as a moderator and reviewer on [[Yiffstar]], now [[SoFurry]]. He retains the title of moderator on SoFurry, but his presence there is lessened due to his current full time job as a writer.

Since joining the fandom in 2003 Jeeves has been 'mated' twice, but decided that he would rather seek to cultivate friendships online and leave romantic pursuits for the 'real world'. He is currently single, and while he does allow his fursona to appear in romantic or sexual situations within his stories he maintains that he does not wish to enter into any sort of romance within the furry fandom.

As a fur, Jeeves believes that being a part of the furry fandom should be fun and enjoyable above all else! While he does enjoy his place within the fandom, he has declared on several occasions that many furs take the fandom far too seriously. While he and his fursona are very similar in personality, leading some of those who know him within the fandom to ask if he's open about his furriness in public, Jeeves does keep his life within and beyond the fandom separate.

Jeeves' interests include writing, reading, countryside walks, and pub quizzes.

==External links==
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jeevestheroo Jeeves the Roo] on [[Furaffinity]]
* [http://jeeves-the-roo.livejournal.com/ Jeeves the Roo] on [[LiveJournal]]
* [http://jeeves.sofurry.com/ Jeeves] on [[SoFurry]]

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Nuka Nuki

2010-07-29T04:15:50Z

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'''Nuka''' is an art school graduate and fancies DDR. He was born in 1985 and is from Michigan.

TDK (artist)

2010-07-29T02:31:01Z

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'''TDK''' is an [[artist]], specialising in erotic [[Wikipedia:fanart|fanart]].

"TDK" is widely believed to be an alias of [[Eric W Schwartz]] for having a similar (some say exact) drawing style, and the fact there is considerable evidence that both come from the same /24 netblock and an Amiga computer<ref>[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/ews2 Article published] on [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]</ref>, but this allegation has never been adequately proved or refuted.

==References==
<references/>

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Eka's Portal

2010-07-29T01:53:12Z

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[[Image:EkasPortal.png|right|Eka's Portal]]
'''Eka's Portal''' is an adult community site specializing in [[Vorarephilia|vore]] and [[unbirth]] art and literature, with a large percentage of [[furry art]]. It was started to replace many vore groups, such as [[Strega]]'s, that were deleted by Yahoo.

* '''Address''': http://aryion.com/
* '''Founders''': [[Eka]]
* '''Ran from/to''': May 2005 - present

== Features ==

Eka's Portal features artist and author galleries, a discussion and [[roleplay]] forum, and an HTML-based chatroom system for roleplaying. It also has an [[oekaki]], a project page, a vore [[Wikipedia:wiki|wiki]], a list of member blogs, and a map of the submitted [[real life]] locations of members.

==Controversies==
Since 2007, the administrator of Eka's Portal began purging users she didn't like. This has caused a minor backlash of sorts and a number of failed calls to get the site shut down or replaced. Most notably, a user by the name BradRepko who was around in the site's early days, was systematically targeted and claims to be discriminated against by Eka. For 16 months in 2008-2009 he was banned from the site. When that ban was lifted, he was rarely active on the site, until another ban was placed on him in early 2010. Since then, BradRepko has made a number of allegations about the site and launched a number of failed campaigns to get the site shut down.<ref>[http://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=26859&st=0 "Who the Fuck is Eka?, The Admin of the vore site, Eka's Portal" - E-Hentai Forums]</ref>

==See also==
* [[Eka's Chat]]

==References==
<references/>
[[Category:Mature art archives]][[Category:Mature story archives]]
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ReptileCynrik

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'''ReptileCynrik''' is the username of an [[artist]] who lives in [[Wikipedia:Winterberg|Winterberg]], Germany.
His real name is '''Patrick Reichel'''[[http://www.reptile-universum.de/reptile_bilder/Sonstige%20Bilder/Pass.jpg]] and "Reptile Cynrik" is in fact the name of his fantasy comic character.
Patrick Reichel was born in Düsseldorf (Germany) in 1979. After school, he studied art and german at the University of Wuppertal. After graduating from university he began his school service at different public schools. He's employed at a puplic school and teaching the subjects music, english, art and german.

'''The fantasy comic character'''
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'''Reptile Cynrik'''[[http://www.reptile-universum.de/reptile_bilder/Artwork/Pinups/Reptile2009.jpg]] is the first Reptilian ever to be knightened by the former king Xevon Primor. Prior to that, he lived in a cave nearby the main capital or AKTES (the land, which Xevon used to rule - now, it is his son Kyle who is the new king)! Reptile was born in the Reptilian homeland CHRON. His mother died after his birth and his father was banned to exile by queen Valeris (because he became romantically involved with a human girl)!
After Cynrik (Reptile's father) has been killed by the evil lord Devon, Reptile had to live his life alone and in darkness. When Reptile saved Xevon's life once, they became friends and Xevon invited Reptile to live at castle Riverstone at the king's court.
After many years and wars, Reptile returned to his homelands to eventually become the KING of CHRON! :D He married Valeris and they now rule over the greatest Reptilian tribe.

Reptile loves life, good food (specially candy), sports, weapon training, long sleep, he likes to swim and he likes to take long walks.
Reptile does not like MATH very much. You need to know, shortly after he took Xevon's offer to remain at the king's side, he was pushed into school! He had never visited a school... and that was quite a tough time.
Reptile is not stupid. Just a little bit slow. And he is very good in poetry and writing, after all.

'''The adventures and stories about Reptile and King Xevon'''
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THE VERY BEGINNING…

The story you are about to be told takes place on the planet Rulus. This is a green and beautiful planet, with all kind of life forms.
A few millennia ago, two special species set themselves apart from the inferior life forms and they evolved into intelligent races. They developed their own language and culture. These two races are the humanoid Rulusians and the reptilian-like Reptilians.
But the Reptilians have been the “first born” culture of this planet; thus they took the reign over the planet and over all the minor creatures – including man.
At this time humans have been less intelligent and sophisticated characters compared to the Reptilians and they were kept as workers, servants and kinda pets by their scaled leaders. But they have been treated very well throughout the ages – no harm came to them and man always had enough food, clothing and a fine home.
Centuries passed and this kind of order ruled without any interruptions; but soon it became more visible, that man – unlike Reptilians – became eager to found their own culture. Humans became more intelligent and they had the ability to adept and to improve themselves. The humans discovered their passion to became less dependent and they wanted to build up their own settlement – far away from the reptilian leaders. With the Reptilian culture, which is mostly basing on tradition, magic and a very well sophisticated instinct, there was no more exploring and development – but man WAS able to develop and became more.
In time, man began to create an own language, working tools and machinery and they slowly disobeyed the will of the scaled leaders.
In these difficult times full of tension and menace, the Reptilians came to a solution, which would definitely make an end to the prior order – in order to maintain the peace between the two races. The greatest of all wise elders came together and agreed that is was not good to enslave another intelligent race. Eventually, the Reptilians took pity on man and gave them their freedom after so many years of slavery.
But the Rulusians and the Reptilians were to different from each other, to live together in peace and harmony and soon the very first battles were fought. The „Great War“ began in 1140, which almost eliminated all of the Reptilian population on the whole planet! The Reptilians had less improved and advanced weapons and so they couldn’t stand a chance against the better armed Rulusians, though they were bigger and stronger. Man created better weapons and strongholds to eliminate the Reptilians at any cost and to gain the total reign over the entire planet!
The “Great War” last for many centuries and brought pain, suffering and death to both sides. But the humans won almost every battle and it was only a matter of time when the last Reptilian would be wiped out from he surface of the earth.

It was the year 1348 when the young general Xevon Primor joined his father’s army at the age of sixteen. He started his career in the duty of war and became a very nominated soldier in almost half the time of a normal warrior. Xevon always wanted to proof his worth before his father – he wanted show, that he was worthy to take his rightful place as king over Aktes. But at this time, his father Bractus Primor III. was still king of the land, who tried to kill all remaining Reptilians. The surviving Reptilians flew to the dark caves and tunnels of Aktes and they returned to their home soil, the land Chron - hoping not to be discovered But the cruel King Bractus Primor III. chased them to death and swore to destroy every living Reptilian!

At the same time, an unusual event split the last remaining tribe of the Reptilians. Only this last tribe of the land Chron was still alive – all the other Reptilians tribes and cultures have been wiped out during the “Great War”. This last tribe was under the leadership of queen Valeris and her husband. But a cruel lord and general who thrived for power, Devon was his name, send Valeris’ husband into a hopeless fight – in order to get rid of him and to take his place at the side of the queen. Devon always wanted to become king and it was his destiny to marry Valeris – in his mind, nevertheless.
Unfortunately, queen Valeris fell in love with a warrior called Cynrik – one of the arch enemies and competitors of general Devon. Cynrik was also Reptile’s father – a young reptilian warrior, who’s mother died during his birth.
Devon hoped to get rid of Cynrik as easily as he got rid with Valeris’ first husband. Eventually, he was mistaken because Cynrik came back from that suicide run which Devon has send him to die. But during that fight, Cynrik fell in love with a human female and this finally signed his fate. Queen Valeris was forced to ban him and his son Reptile into exile and she took Devon as husband – if only to uphold the law and order of the tribe. Her heart still belonged to Cynrik.
Reptile and his father escaped to a cavern nearby the borders of Chron. Devon discovered them a few months later and killed Cynrik – Reptile was able to escape his murderer and he fled deep into he human lands of Aktes.
In Aktes the fighting went on in a brutal fashion. Soon, almost all Reptilians of this land have been killed and king Bractus Primor III. went on to the land called Chron – the home soil of the last Reptilians. This time, he wanted to make an end to their lives – once and for all!
Suddenly, a special event changed this terror and bloodshed.
King Bractus III. died in battle and his son Xevon took over the army of Aktes and from this day on, the young king roamed over the earth like a storm of death. He fought with more passion and hatred then his old father and almost half of the land Chron died under his sword. Xevon gained the title “Butcher of Aktes” – a title, which he does not like to be reminded today.
Finally, Xevon reached his final goal: his enemy general Devon himself! A last, relentless battle was fought and it didn’t look good for Xevon and his brave men. Anyway, Xevon didn’t know that Devon did not fought under the order of queen Valeris and the last Reptilians. The queen already banned Devon to exile, as well when he tried to rape her. And besides, Valeris was keen and intelligent enough to face the end of her leadership. She knew, if she would not make an end to this war, nobody would survive. But Devon could not understand and didn’t agree to Valeris’ plans of peace. He was banned to exile, like Cynrik and Reptile have been before. But Devon gathered a new army at his side to fight for him – he paid human mercenaries from the eastern lands much gold to fight for him. After this, he had a grand army, which was even more ambitious to fight a war, then the well trained soldiers of king Xevon.
Meanwhile, even Xevon became first doubts about this killing and the whole war. He always wanted to fight, but just to make his father proud. Xevon killed Reptilians in order to gain more glory and power from his father. But now, this father was dead. And there was no more reason to kill, since deep inside his heart Xevon felt that he didn’t want to kill. He wanted peace. He finally wanted peace – more then victory.
In his darkest hour, Xevon decided to make a peace treaty with queen Valeris of Chron. Xevon gained knowledge, that general Devon was NOT under the orders of Valeris and the young king had hope, that she would listen to him.
Suddenly, on his way to Chron, Xevon fell into a trap which Devon prepared for him. The reptilian general almost killed the young king, as the warrior Reptile saved Xevon’s life.
Destiny and good fate seemed to be on Xevon’s side for now – he was saved by one of the creatures, he has killed an hated all over the years.
Reptile agreed to stand by Xevon’s side and helped him to fight Devon’s army. Together, both warriors defeated Devon and his mercenaries in the year 1353 and finally they made and end to all the bloodshed and killing.
The „Great War“ was over!
From this day on, Xevon gained a new title as “King of Peace” and he still helps to maintain the peace and friendship between humans and Reptilians.

One year later, the reptilian warrior Reptile was nominated by King Xevon as his „Knight of Honour“ and now he serves and lives at Riverstone, the king’s home and most important place of Aktes.
Meanwhile, Reptile gained the trust and friendship of the surviving Reptilians of Chron and with the grand queen Valeris, he cares a lot for the peace between the two races.
If there is any enemy, who tries to threaten the land, King Xevon and his knight Reptile are there to solve the situation!

How the story about the two heroes would end, isn’t written yet. The legends of Rulus are just about to begin...

'''An interview with the artist Patrick Reichel'''
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Q: Are you doing commissions or requests?

A: No, I’m not doing commissions or request due to my limited time. My job leaves me barely time to draw something for myself, and that’s why I cannot take commissions any more. Sorry!

Q: Are you doing ART TRADES?

A: Yes, from time to time I am willing to do ART TRADES. If the nature of the trade is interesting and appealing, I agree to make trades. An ART TRADE means, you draw (or write about) a character of my universe and I draw (or write about) one of your characters in return.

Q: When and how did you create “Reptile”?

A: Reptile has been created back in November 1996! First, I simply drew a dinosaur head – then, I gave this one a human body. It’s simply just an ANTRHO dinosaur or lizard, I think.

Q: What have been your first characters?

A: The first characters I’ve created and developed was Reptile, Xevon, Devon and Milena. It was a typical fantasy-story-mixture: the hero Reptile, the king and leader Xevon, the nemesis Devon and the princess Milena! Soon and in time, more characters followed and I developed the main characters and gave them more detail and more sophisticated character trades.

Q: When did you start your drawing career?

A: I began drawing in very early years. But my first comic book has been drawn when I was 12 years old. And from this time on, I kept on drawing!

Q: How did you learn drawing?

A: Most of all is talent and a lot of practise. But I also visited a “drawing school” for some years, where I’ve learned a great deal about proper drawing, line art and colouring.

Q: Why do you draw fantasy stuff?

A: I think, I’m capable of drawing almost anything… but fantasy is my favourite topic, since I saw the movie “Dragonheart” and started playing the game “Warhammer”!

Q: What are your drawing materials?

A: I use a normal HB pencil for my sketches and pencil drawings. For the line art, I use a metal pen and liquid black ink. For the colouration, I use coloured pencils, permanent and clothing markers and some acrylics and brush.

Q: How do you draw a picture?

A: First, I do a rough sketch to be sure about composition and the pose of all figures involved. Then, I do a fine pencil drawing. This must not be TOO detailed, since I have to erase it again, after all. The next step is to ink the pencil. This means, I do a clean line art in black and white and erase the pencil with a rubber later. And then, I colour the line art with a mixed method of combining pencils and markers and acrylics. Usually, I start adding basic colours to the line art with markers. Then, I do some shades and small highlights with coloured pencils. In the end, I use acrylics and brush to add the very top highlights and brightest light effects. But some figures or parts of the picture are not supposed to be coloured with markers: I barely use markers for human flesh, for example. And for most backgrounds (like sky or water) I use only coloured pencils.

Q: How much time do you need to draw a picture?

A: My pictures are usually of the size DIN A 3 and take 4 days to finish. But 1 day means 4 to 8 hours each day, when I can afford the time.

Q: Is Reptile your first character or did your do other comics?

A: Reptile is actually my second character. Prior to this one, I have drawn 10 comic books about my former best friend and myself. In this old comic line – called “The Fantastic 2” – my buddy and I have lived many funny adventures. But “Reptile” can be called my most sophisticated and favourite comic universe!

<ref>[http://reptilecynrik.deviantart.com/ ReptileCynrik's Devious info] on [[deviantART]]. Retrieved March 8, 2009</ref>

<ref>[http://reptile-universum.de/ The Art of Patrick Reichel]. Retrieved May 18, 2009</ref>

Watched and approved by Patrick Reichel aka ReptileCynrik. May 21, 2009 Interview and story information taken from http://www.reptile-universum.de

==References==
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== External links ==
* [http://reptile-universum.de/ ReptileCynrik's homepage]
* [http://www.yiffstar.com/user/reptilecynrik ReptileCynrik] on [[Yiffstar]]
* [http://reptilecynrik.deviantart.com/ ReptileCynrik] on [[deviantART]]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/reptilecynrik/ ReptileCynrik] on [[Fur Affinity]]

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Talk:Furnal Equinox

2010-07-28T17:56:57Z

Silver seren: /* Removed information - request for clarification */ Forgot to sign

Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self.
:If Dan Skunk was not the founder, can you please provide online evidence of who the real founder is, so this matter can be put to rest? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Members of the committe and con as of First Con in 2010.

Co-Chairs: Blindsight_Wolf
Pakesh_De
Committe: Scani
Shane
Crassadon
ArrowRoot
ArcticFox
Morgan(now Deceased)

There was other people who were involved in the beginning months, they either dropped out, were removed or voted out. As the committee developed and became the current group.

Registered corporate members are: Blindsight_wolf, Scani, Pakesh_de, Shane, Crassadon.
These are people who are registered Directors of the convention. Legally registered on the NPO.

The list of members and concom is available at www.furnalequinox.com and also the original page creator is Scani, so you can also speak with him.

Shane.

: While the list of concom members is not available on Furnal Equinox's website, I can attest that the information Shane has provided is correct for the 2010 concom and can be sourced from our conbook for that year. To reiterate, the claims being made in the article do not reflect Furnal Equinox's stance. I'm open to any questions if desired, though. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 13:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A lot of the source information was removed in 2009 as I removed the Toronto Furry Convention forum from Ontario Furries when it fell into dissuse and hadn't yet created a system to archive deleted posts.

There are a number of people that can corroborate my claim of starting Furnal Equinox, and I could cite some of the early conversations I had with people about the convention from the summer of 2008 but it will be impossible to present anything that can not be contested by Furnal Equinox.

I don't want to be associated with Furnal Equinox and I don't think they want to be associated with me, but I believe the community deserves to have an accurate history of events and that people should be credited for their contributions to the furry community.

As there is likely not going to be a consensus in this situation, the only solution I can see is that we have a section here describing controversy over certain facts and present the differing viewpoints people have on it.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 16:55, 18 July 2010

:It's... very unfortunate that a dispute between Dan and FE has been brought into the public eye once again. I don't wish to bring arguments with Dan onto WikiFur, because this is not its purpose for the articles here to be a battleground for the conflicts themselves... only how they're reported, if seen as notable enough to be.
:First of all, I've cleared the "Controversy" section from the article. However, in the interests of good faith, I've copied that section to the bottom of the talk page with two understandings: first, perhaps we can establish a consensus among not just Dan and FE but with the mediation of other WikiFur editors on whether it is needed. Secondly, if there is a consensus that it IS needed, then that section can be collectively edited by not just the stakeholders, but by all in a manner that is satisfactory to all. Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties.
:However, in the interests of disclosure, this is my understanding of the events that have taken place between Dan and FE (perhaps from a more FE-ish perspective)

:*A Toronto Furry Convention board existed on Ontario Furries from at least late 2008. A number of the current concom members posted on this forum, where a number of ideas were discussed (though no firm decisions re: the planning of the convention as it is taking place now took place as a result - i.e. we did not enter into any contracts with any party, and as the name will suggest, the name Furnal Equinox was not yet decided at this point.)
:*After several months of discussion, a private mailing list was created with the involvement of all those who expressed an interest in serving on the convention committee; their first action was to elect Pakesh De as convention chairman and subsequent decisions such as name, date, and venue were made through here.
:*Anthropomorphic Events of Ontario (AEO) was incorporated as a Ontario corporation without share capital on June 11, 2009. Dan's name was included in the application for incorporation as an initial director.
:*At a meeting of the convention committee on July 20, 2009, Dan was dismissed from Furnal Equinox's concom by a unanimous vote. His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success. He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted.
:*Following his removal, Dan expressed his displeasure in a number of ways, engaging in a great deal of public criticism of the convention on Ontario Furries. These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him.
:*However, in an attempted gesture of good faith, Dan was mentioned and thanked by name in the conbook for the 2010 convention for his contribution.
:*The relationship between Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries (the community forum which Dan administrates) has been quite rocky over the past year, and has sometimes been severed altogether to be later restored. However, following the convention in April 2010, Furnal Equinox's subforum on Ontario Furries was deleted without warning. When it became clear that any sort of diplomacy or negotiations to restore the forum would not be successful, the two parties agreed to mutually sever relations.

:It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 23:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self."

The committee of people that met on [[Ontario Furries]] were all members of that web site at the time of their meeting; therefore, it would not be inaccurate to say they were Ontario Furries.

Claiming that I am lieing is slanderous. You should back up that claim, or qualify it by saying it's your opinion that they are lies.

Shane became involved the the project later than everyone else and was not involved in those early discussions and has no first hand experience on the events his claims are about.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 23:38, 18 July 2010

"He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted."

I did not make that request. I discussed it, but decided not to make the request. Had I done so, there would be no displeasure with the decision to remove me from being a director.

Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation. Others dismissed at that meeting were Sparrow and Danruk both of whom were involved in the convention planning prior to creation of the Toronto Furry Convention Board on Ontario Furries and were working with me and supporting my involvement. They were present at the first meetings with hotels, including the one chosen for the convention and instrumental to the success of the convention. None of us were present at this meeting to defend ourselves.

"His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success."

My experience was that being deliberately left out of planning discussions, not being given information I needed to be able to contribute, and being blamed for mistakes others made as a result of this lack of communication to me. My dismissal directly followed my criticism of this behaviour and recommendation that someone else act as chair.

"These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him."

This criticism was considered a gesture of goodwill towards the success of the convention, and to prove my value to the success of the convention.

My predictions of wasted and mismanaged space, time, and resources proved to be correct durring the course of the convention. Had my recomendations been acted on, the convention, and it's members, in spite of my removal, would have saved a considerable amount of money. Instead, the recomendations were met with contempt and derision from the convention's remaining organizers.

The wholesale rejection of these recommendations, to me, showed that the success of the convention and service to the community was secondary to the organizers recieving personal recognition for their efforts.

Following the convention, I made public my complaint of unprofessional behaviour and personal prejudice towards me from staff both directly and through convention security after it was dismissed by co-chair, Pakesh De, as personal issues between me and the staff members and not the responsibility of the convention. Something I considered extremely irresponsible and unprofessional.

"It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished."

That research was provided in the initial public discussions for the convention, and in information submitted to the committee after it was formed.

My original desire for contributing to this article was to add the details of Ontario Furries as the location of the forum discussions mentioned and Dan Skunk as the initiator of these discussions. I was, and continue to be the owner of Ontario Furries and it was in this capacity that I created this sub forum after making research into the feasibility of the project. I believe names of contributors and locations where discussions took place to be relevant to an article on the history of the convention. It is obvious that these discussions took place *somewhere* and were started by *someone*. The original organizing committee that created Furnal Equinox was formed through discussion on the Ontario Furries forum through a series of nominations and public voting presented on the forum

If there is contention to these facts, then I assert that this contention then is a relevant part of the history of the convention and that all sides of the contention deserve equal opportunity to present their claims so long as it is made known that these are claims and who is making the claims.

"Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties."

Wikifur is an encyclopedia which means it should contain factual information presented from a neutral point of view. I believe this means that if there is a dispute over facts, the nature of the dispute should be described in a way that does not attempt to promote either side of the dispute; Wikifurs's purpose is not to promote the credibility of individuals and organizations but inform the fandom of the facts related to them. Facts should not be deliberately omitted to improve the public image of individuals and groups.

In this spirit, I suggest Scani contribute to the proposed section to elaborate on Furnal Equinox's position on the disputed facts unless consensus can be agreed upon.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 05:39, 19 July 2010

:''Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation.''
:The assertion that the vote was invalid due to lack of quorum (i.e. a majority of members of the body) is incorrect. While the events in question took place a year ago and are slightly hazy on my part, at the absolute MINIMUM the remaining four directors and/or officers of the convention were present at the time to vote on the matter (which pertained to Dan's removal from concom, as well as from any further staff role with FE. To my recollection, at least five votes were cast; this would be a majority of the concom which consisted of nine members at the time. Moreover, in Ontario, a decision to amend governance would be governed by the corporation's bylaws, not the articles of incorporation. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::There were 8 committee members at the time. Quorum was decided to be 5 so that there would be a majority. Since there were only 4, then quorum was not reached.

::There could not be 5 votes with only 4 members present.

::I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.

::I was never made aware of the existence of corporate bi-laws while a director of the corporation.

::I was present for an earlier meeting where it was decided by majority vote that quorum would be 5 to constitute a majority of the 8 members.

::These are only some examples of the unprofessional conduct of members of the committee. While I was a registered director of the corporation, my inquiries into the financial and corporate activities of the corporation were deliberately ignored and I was not informed of decisions being made that affected business of the corporation. My criticism of decisions behind made was strongly discouraged by the chairman ordering me to stop, by insults from committee and staff members, and by being ignored. I was informed by Blindsight that he was asserting his dominance and that I would need to change my behaviour if I wanted to be in the loop.

::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 00:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:::First of all - I said there were certainly at LEAST four votes, and recall specifically that there were at least five (considering Pak and I recall that Shiro was also present at the meeting). As Shane served in a secretarial role for concom meetings at the time, he would have the record thereof, but I am nonetheless confident that the decision represented the desires of the organization of a whole. While I can understand it being controversial if there had been dissent at the meeting, there was none. This is in line with the purpose of quorum from a moral standpoint (if not a legalistic one) where an unduly small number of people on a governing body do not control the decisions thereof.
:::''I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.''
:::Your signature was required on the application document, and as far as I know, was obtained at a meeting in early June 2009. Presumably, you would have had the opportunity to review the completed application, which included first directors and "objects of the corporation" at any time while the application was in front of you.
:::I can not speak for these so-called "insults" from concom, but as far as I'm concerned, I did my best to interact with you in good faith, and despite my initial reservations re: your presence, you had every opportunity from me to demonstrate value to us - and I truly believed that because of the quantity of your social network you could be an asset to our operations. Obviously, this did not prove to be the case, and the concom's decision reflected that after several months of working with you.
:::The point I'm trying to make in all of this really has to come down to the group dynamics that worked themselves out. When we first came together, and one of the concerns was coherency. Bringing people together is one thing, but to actually develop some common goals and common purpose is another altogether. A group of people in the same room does not necessarily equal a team. And... regardless of how much work you DID accomplish in the leadup to this, it's another thing to work together, and that impression in your case just wasn't there. People weren't here to just follow your lead. Had you remained present, a lot more friction would have developed, and probably would have had a negative impact on the convention's success. As it turned out... there was a lot of friction anyway. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

::::It was my oversight for not reading through the entire application. We seemed in a hurry to get it done so I just trusted I was already told what was in it.

::::We had a common goal. That was not an issue.

::::I never expected people to follow my lead or anyone else's lead. I expected them to work together as equals. That requires that people communicate their ideas with each other, accept criticism with each other, and make decisions together as a group. Some where not willing to do that, and that's what caused problems.

::::Regardless, my contributions should not be deleted from this article.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Additional Info: I was a helper to Blindsight at the time and was at the meetings as secreatary and I can attest, after discussions about why to remove Danskunk, the good and bad things he has done for the convention. He was voted out, with Quaorum with a unanimous vote to remove him from the con period.

I may even still have the records as they were transcribed and sent to the list and FE forums that we have of our own.

If Danskunk demands all facts and things should be allowed, then he should freely allow all the "facts" about himself on his wikifur page that pertain to the community and fandom.

Danskunks "Research" was checked out by me and took less then 5 minutes with a quick "wikifur" search, where all his information and research was from.
-Shane Nicholson(WolfMist)

:I accept all facts to be included in this article; any facts that are in dispute should be clearly described as so.

:My research took place over many months of travelling to Toronto to look at possible venues, through discussions with members of the community interested in helping, interviews with people who were directors at other successful conventions, some of it was collected from wikifur, but it was also re-organized to better serve our needs. I also brought observations from many years of attending conventions.

:Shane was not involved in this reasearch.

:--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

It's quite evident that we're not going to reach a consensus on this. Could we start working on editing the proposed section to include what information we all want to provide there?

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Primarily speaking, the parties involved here are FE and you. I'd honestly be more comfortable seeking the opinions of neutral parties if possible, to objectively assess what the value of what you're proposing is - as neither of us will be able to do that. Will this controversy, namely, be important five years down the line?
:Re: the section that was recently added listing 'founding members' - a few of the names asked to withdraw their involvement quite early, and they may object to their appearance here in this article. The list also fails to acknowledge individuals that came on board after founding whose contribution nonetheless played an instrumental role in the convention's success... and I honestly feel they should not be trivialized (people like Morgan, Arrowroot, etc.)
:So I'm not sure if the section as it currently stands is appropriate, but if others say it should, alphabetical would be more appropriate. Perhaps the information is better classified elsewhere, but I'll comment more on that tomorrow. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 03:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I've made it alphabetical. I didn't know about later joining members. Perhaps we should keep the current list, though rewrite the lead-in to say original founding members and then have a separate sentence listing those that joined in after the fact? They should certainly be recognized.

::And if any of the people listed do not wish their name to be associated with Furnal Equinox, then they just have to speak with Greenreaper and he will take them off and make sure they stay off of the list. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::My suggestion would be that if needed, the relevant information be placed in a 'current' and 'former' section in the article (perhaps as a two-column table) - or at least other titles that represent those who are still working on the convention and those who have moved on to other projects. There should be no particular stigma associated with the latter. Also, ref. proposed changes below (you can always refer back to previous edits for previous versions) --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 11:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't believe a current and former section is necessary. There is already an origins section there which is appropriate to list the original organizers in, describe their contributions, and when and why they left.

::::I sincerly appreciate you acknowledging that the discussions began on Ontario Furries, Scani. If there is consensus on that fact, then I believe it can stand in the origins section where I originally placed it as it is most relevant to that topic. I would also like it stated that I started the conversation there. Another contributer has been contesting both though so it may only be able to stand as a contested fact, but it can be stated the we both support it.

::::I don't believe a description of my removal should be in an Ontario Furries section as it is not relevant to Ontario Furries, but to myself only. My criticism should also not be included there as it was my personal opinion--not that of Ontario Furries.

::::I think we could put it the description of my and Ontario Furries's involvement in the origins section as it is most relevant there. I don't believe either are important enough to warrant their own headlines.

::::I disagree with saying there was a lack of shared direction, as there was a shared direction: producing a convention, a goal which all parties made contributions critical to it's success. The only disagrement was over details of how to accomplish those goals and responsibilities of individual members. I may wish to describe what those were.

::::I also disagree with saying there was a conflict between me and the rest of the concom because that was not true. I had disagreements with only half of the concom. I'd also like it stated that everyone that supported my inclusion was also removed.

::::I'd like to add my own perception of my criticism's as I saw them quite differently.

::::I contest that there was no warning, as I made repeated requests of FE to change their behaviour and would like to add my own assesment of why they were removed.

::::I'll get to adding my revisions later.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 13:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Scani, as long as there is someone that feels the information to be valuable, there is no reason it can not be included. Other parties are free to contribute their knowledge to the article as well, as this is a colaborative effort but no one should be censoring other people's contributions based on their assesment of how valuable they are. Readers should be given the opportunity to have as much information as possible and decide for themselves what is or is not valuable to them.

:::Whether or not someone wishes to be included in the article or not is irrelevant. Deliberately presenting false information, or omitting information for the purpose of manipulating public opinion for any reason is dishonest and against the spirit of wikifur as being a place to present factual information from a neutral perspective.

:::Making the list alphabetical sounds good to me. Thank you.

:::If someone does not want to be associated with Furnal Equinox, it should be added to the article that they do not wish to be associated with it, thusly satisfying their desire for disassociating without sacrificing the integrity of facts. However, I think stating that they resigned, should be enough to indicate their lack of support.

:::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Relationship with Ontario Furries (proposed) ==

Discussion for what became Furnal Equinox originally took place on the [[Ontario Furries]] forum, operated by [[Dan Skunk]]. Though Dan was originally involved in planning discussions, he was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 due to lack of shared direction and conflicts between him and the remainder of concom.

Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation. Dan has claimed that his removal was unjustified, and that he has been subjected to negative treatment and insults by other staff members. Both claims are disputed by the other party.

The relationship between members of Furnal Equinox's convention committee and Dan has remained strained, culminating in the removal of Furnal Equinox's subforum and the banning of a number of committee members without warning in April 2010. Currently, Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries have no formal connections.

Propose addtions to Origins instead of Relationship with Ontario Furries section.

I've been researching more details, so much of the Ontario Furries discussion is redundant.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origins ==

[[Dan Skunk]] was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 over disagreements with some of the other committee members. [[M-So]] and [[Danruk]] were also removed on this date.

:[[Dan Skunk]] contests the decision as quorum was not present at this meeting and none of the people removed were given an opportunity to be present to defend themselves. He claims the dismissals were politically motivated because he expressed a lack of confidence in [[Pakesh De]] chairship immediately prior to being removed and that the others removed were friends of his.

:[[Scani]] claims [[Dan Skunk]] was removed over conflicts with other members of the concom and a lack of shared direction and that the decision represented the desires of the organization as a whole.

==Relationship with Ontario Furries==

[[Furnal Equinox]], along with members of the concom, [[Pakesh De]], [[Blindsight]], [[Shane]], [[Chris]] were banned from discussions on [[Ontario Furries]] in April 2010 for repeated insulting and defamitory comments.
:[[Scani]] claims it was without warning.
:Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation.

Dan fails to mention, Blindsight was banned for no reason, in fact he was banned because "he is responsible for what Pakesh says" on the forums or IRC.

==Request for Intervention==

This situation has become absolutely ridiculous, and I'm not satisfied with it whatsoever. The changes made by Dan to the article over the past couple of years have resulted in a significant decrease in quality in the article, not to mention a significant shift away from a neutral point of view. The changes that were made can only be described as "self-aggrandizing" and disproportionate to the remainder of the article.

Is it possible for both parties to lay off editing and that another party come in to perhaps arbitrate this issue? This is the continued manifestation of a conflict between Dan and Furnal Equinox - and I really don't feel it's fair for Dan to continue to edit the article unilaterally and play up his importance (just as it wouldn't be fair for us to do likewise). --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:I haven't been following this situation that closely but I will offer a couple of observations:
:#If someone is posting information they claim to be true and others dispute it, then one side or the other needs to provide references to back up their claims. If neither side is able to do so, then it reverts to the level of hearsay, and we have to settle for something like "So-and-so claims X but others have disputed this." Also note that any allegedly deleted websites may in fact be preserved at sites such as [http://www.archive.org/web/web.php The Internet Wayback Machine] and those are generally as reliable as the original sites if the material still exists there.
:#We don't need a detailed play-by-play of who said what and what happened when. The only people who care about that level of detail are the handful of people who were directly involved. A summary description is good enough for the other 99% of us, and that's all we need on Wikifur. And it's quite possible that a summary description can be written in a manner that much of the content under dispute doesn't even matter at that level of detail. Try to imagine how you'd summarize something that happened a few years ago, then do it that way.
:I hope this helps. Oh, and here in the talk page, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think a few notible points in the development and who was responsible for them is reasonable.

::If someone thinks they're important, and they're factual and referenced, there's no reason for them not to be included.

::It's a fair look at who contributed what in the lead up to the event. If someone happens to have made a lot of contributions, they'll of course be mentioned more. I any case, it's unfair and misleading to remove all reference to someone who made contributions.

::Arbitration is unnecessary, you have the opportunity to add anything that was left out.

::Please refrain from personal attacks, Scani. If you have something to contest, it can be removed as a fact.

::--Dan Skunk 22:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::That's more than a few notable points. If you were viewing the article about some other convention that's been running for several years, would you really care to see that level of detail about how it got started, to the level of quotations from the parties involved, assuming you were at most only casually acquainted online with any of the people involved? Most people wouldn't, and I don't think most people do here either. It could be argued that it should be preserved for those with enough historical interest to care, but the main article about the convention here on Wikifur is not the place to do it. (On an unrelated style note, only the first occurrence of each person mentioned in the article should be wikilinked.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 22:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I think it would be fine without the quotes, and just a few notes.

::::The name of the forum mentioned and who started the discussion does not seem to be too much to include, as it only adds five words. That's what I find most important and relevant as the section is about origins and that describes where the organization originated, and who it originated from.

::::That was contested and removed, so I did some research and found a reference to it, hence the quote and link backing it up. I could replace the quote with a footnote of where the reference is located.

::::While doing research to find that reference, I found who found the venue and who found the date. Those are at least as notible as who thought of the name, so if originator of the name is included, I think that of the venue and date should be as well.

::::I thought it was interesting to watch how the idea of the convention was developed from another event, and thought that would be interesting to show. I could be included in a seperate page though describing a timeline for those so interested to view it without hindering the conciseness of the main article. I could also do that without offering all the quotes, but rather references to them.

::::Linking only the first occurance seems reasonable as it makes the article easier to read. I don't understand signing posts with 4 tildes. What does that do? My appologies for being new to wikifur. I had stuff to contribute, especially to my own article, and am learning how to work with people here as I go. Thank you for the help.

::::--Dan Skunk 23:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::I apologize for my brusqueness earlier - this process has been tremendously frustrating. From my own personal opinion, the edits which added comments such as "Dan Skunk... made the first visit", "Dan Skunk created a board..." and "Dan Skunk promoted having the convention..." in rapid succession, especially considering the edits were made by Dan, did come across in a very self-promotional manner and rubbed me the wrong way. A significant number of Dan's edits since this issue have had something to do with attributing foundation to Furnal Equinox to Dan and his website, Ontario Furries.
:::::I perceive the basic issue at hand to be "how much credit should be given to Dan Skunk for the establishment of Furnal Equinox in this article". This is also not a fight about "contesting" material; the ideal solution would be an article that is acceptable to both parties, and... well, the unsolicited edits to the page certainly breached my understanding that was something that could be worked towards. Not only one that is based in fact but one that is fair, neutral, and NOT an attempt to dig up dirt. I left a message asking for arbitration because it did not seem possible to do this.
:::::The question, too, is what proportion of recognition is appropriate. A project such as running a convention is collective, not individual. There are a lot of people who saw this work to completion, and I don't think it's appropriate to throw them in the background so that one person can come forth unilaterally and say "I did this and this." Moreover, who's to say there weren't people who looked into the feasibility of a furry convention in Toronto prior to this? (Yes, I know, citation needed.)
:::::My proposal remains a list of current and former people involved in a concom role in the current 'Staff' section, as well as an acknowledgement that initial discussion took place on Ontario Furries. (Honestly, given an opportunity, I'd like to turn back the clock to 19 May but realize that's not likely.)
:::::For the record, signing a message with four tildes will post your current username (or IP address if you are not logged in), as well as the current date and time. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 04:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Thank you, Scani. I appreciate the appology and forgive that.

::::::I can certainly understand how the edits I made would seem self promotional, especially comming from myself. That's why I was trying to include other names in it as well. I was hoping if someone had something they though should be mentioned about them, that they should add it as well, resolving more of the one sidedness.

::::::Unfortunately, if we are to be honest and neutral, I did contribute a lot of essential information and resources to the convention. To minimize those contributions would be not be honest and neutral.

::::::Scani's proposal.

::::::I think only adding that the discussion took place on Ontairo Furries would be deminishing my contribution. The discussions took place on Ontario Furries, but as is show from the email referenced, those discussions were started by me only after I had gathered the financial resources needed to start the convention.

::::::A more accurate description would be, "After gathering the needed financial resources to start a convention, Dan Skunk, started a discussion on Ontario Furries inviting others to become involved with the project." That will remove the incorrect information that the financial resources were brought together though those discussions. It also shows who initiated the process.

::::::You've mentioned who thought of the name, but if there's anyone, at all, that should be mentioned, it's the person that came up with the idea to start seriously working on the project.

::::::There were others that looked into running a convention Toronto that year. I started looking at venues following the first Islington Furmeet on June 14, 2008. Pyhrra did so as well but he concluded it was not a good time to start one based on economic conditions. M-So did asked me to help him look at venues on November 19, 2008.

::::::M-So and I concluded it was feasible and that we would work together on it.

::::::He should probably be mentioned as founding it as well.

::::::I would certainly prefer to come to a consensus on what to include in the article. But giving my experience with this article, I'm not certain that's possible. You've very diplomatic and professional about things, but you and me are not the only people interested in the article.

::::::We can't turn back time, but we could certainly repair mistakes. If it's something about me, I'm very forgiving. You just need to appologize and undo whatever was wrong.

::::::If it were up to me, I'd have turned back time to December 3, 2008, and not made a post inviting people to help with the convention untill *after* creating an npo and contracting the hotel--thusly completely avoiding this whole controversy and a lot of frustration and heartache to a lot of people.

::::::Thanks for letting me know what the tildes do.

::::::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 18:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Greetings to this thread which is currently growing to become a small editorial if not soon a book with special guest stars.

The current issue is credit where credit is due. Dan claims to have been *the* original creator of the con based on his board, gathering of folks, and even finding a backer. All said and done, but the *idea* which is being missed is the real idea was well over a decade ago when folks like me, benjamin, deuce, hiker, and many other old furs of the fandom groused about a con local to Toronto which then grew to become as we all know as Feral.

Now Dan was there at the start, had done some work, and did indeed find some folks that got together to make a functional convention yes. However personal issues much less other incidents which need not , or should not, need to be bandied about made such a arrangement intolerable and sadly it was a case of *my way or the highway* and the concom voted to remove what was perceived as the greatest trouble with the least amount of gutting of the con. Now and since then the level of anger from said removed party has led to folks in large numbers banned from his board while he continues to attack the con without any feedback from us as being some of the banned folks in question to simply and repeatedly asking to have issues reopened that were voted closed.

That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process. The issue is if this is all being done to simply add credit where credit is due then simply what is being told as * dan, danruk, sparrow* were at the start but were voted out after issued arouse should.. note *should* be enough for most folks. Apparently this is NOT the case and thus after many attempts personally to resolve the issue and being rebuffed I had to delegate any talks about Dan to the PR head Scani. I am only posting now after seeing this topic refuses to fall back into a common thread of acceptance with repeated rebuttals of any and all information we can provide. I wish to stay civil and not fall for the supposed * slander* attempts,and btw, slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around. I accept giving dan, danruk, and sparrow credit for being at the start and getting a few things going certainly. Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn.

IF this is all that is needed, i will ask that any and *all* talk of the convention is simply kept on topic and in more terms of * yes and we thank you but we had to let you go* as in terms of a employee being let go from the company rather then the slant that is being pushed out as if we all sat around in some plotting basement to overthrow folks and thus hijack the whole convention our-self. That is why we voted in concom to have a legal amount, plus the other staff that was around, voted, and revoted just to make sure the vote was open. I have told Dan this, others have told Dan this, and it refuses to simply sink in. The con did not, was not, and with all the bad blood, will not, have anything to do with Dan period. Note this can change if the lopsidedness does stop but alas many have tried and failed to get the point through.

I thank everyone for adding to the topic and folks for trying to make one side see the light. I wish to thank wikifur for letting us post the con and will hope they will be happy to have us stay. I wish to thank Scani for being PR and dealing with this topic with skill, grace, and civility. I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair.

Gaia bless and sorry for such a long winded reply.

Pakesh_De

ChairCritter for Furnal Equinox

:I never claimed to be the first person to think of having a convention in Toronto. I even cited other people speaking of it before me to show that. It wasn't however, untill I gathered financial support and sought others to be involved that it came to fruition.

:That fact should be included.

:"my way or the highway"

:I never once made any such demand. Please stop accusing me of it if you can't provide any evidence to support it.

:"That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process."

:That's what I actually asked for, and it was asked for, not demanded.

:"...slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around."

:I can support what I said there with citations. I'll do that as soon as I can for you.

:"Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn."

:I never made that claim either.

:I claimed to have got financial support together and started a discussion on Ontario Furries and supported that claim with a citation that showed nothing more than that.

:If you wish to be fair, as you claim to be, then you should not have a problem with that being included.

:" I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair."

:I'm pretty sure wikifur articles were not meant to be used as extortion to silence unwanted criticism from other web sites.

:People saying what you want them to on other web sites should not be a condition of whether something is contested or not.

:Please stop taking my words and infering things from them I never said or meant and making accusations you can't support.

:This is why we have trouble speaking with each other, and why I strongly suggested someone else act as chairman before being fired from FE. If someone like Scani, who as we both agree, has the ability to speak with skill, grace, and civility, were chairman, relations between FE, Ontario Furries and I would probably have never degraded in the first place.

:The first time I banned FE from Ontario Furries, your discussion with me had me wanting to make it permanent. It was Scani's respectful and professional manner and his willingness to take responsibility for problems and solve them that convinced me to give you a second chance. It's unfortunate he isn't able speak for the rest FE.

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::Okay, I'm going to weigh in my opinions. As an outside party, I feel it might be worth it.
::As I can see, OntarioFurries has been mentioned in the description of the convention. Should every mention of it be scrubbed? No. Should they all stay? No. This is why OF has a stub of its own. If references to the involvement need to be said, put them there.
::Dan is mentioned on the page as it is. Please see the above comment regarding OF - All of the same opinions apply.
::The page for Furnal Equinox is to give people interested in finding out about it more information about the event. You need only cite a reference and people can choose to go look for themselves. This is the whole reason citations exist.
::As for the editing war going on: give it a rest folks. The page is good. it has the info. Leave it be for a while. Nothing will be added continuing to say that things are in contention.
::To sum it up one last time: rest the topic and move on. Please? Either leave the article info to the people currently involved with the event, or to outside neutral third parties. Wikifur is not the place for personal grievances. (IMHO, no public forum is)
::[[User:Felinaeus|Feli]] 21:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Actually, Ontario Furries was removed as a reference.

:::Other people have been named with a description of their contribution. It's only fair that mine be as well.

:::I did cite a reference, and it was removed as well.

:::Not continuing to remove facts that are not in contention and supported by citation should resolve the debate.

:::People who are currently involved in the event should not control what is said about past members.

:::No, it's not a place for personal grievances, but it should be a place for facts.

:::I was just trying add my involvement in the fandom to the appropriate articles. Only FE keeps trying to remove parts of it.

:::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Danskunk was officially removed from Concom unanimous vote on 7/20/09

==========================
Removal of Dan from concom and staff. Passed. Unanimous Vote
Dan as Staff. Vote was (4)No - (1)Yes. Failed.
Danruk removed from Concom to staff. Passed. Unanimous Vote.
Sparrow removed. *Pro-Forma* Unanimous.
==========================

Excerpt from the Meeting minutes from the date of the meeting.
He knew of the meeting and didn't show up. As can be seen, he was voted of concom and staff as unanimous.
He was not allowed on as staff on a vote of 4-1. The was a Quorum, as for Danruk and Sparrow, both had not been in contact with the committee members and con in a long time. So they were voted on and removed. This was the same time the "new, current and formal" committee was made. Before this it was done at meetings. Not on the forums.

==Meeting Notes==

Who just went in and edited the original committee list? That was not the original committee at all. I went to actually meetings with them and have notes from them.

[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 04:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:Both you and the other user have stated to have copies of the meeting notes that verifies their own argument. However, neither of you have produced visible evidence of these notes as proof for your argument. Could both of you please upload them so that we can view them? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::Wolfmist just proved my own argument with the notes he posted. How could I, Danruk, and Sparrow be removed if we weren't already members.

::And who was present at that meeting? I'm only aware of 4, and there were 5 votes.

::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 04:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

There was no concrete committe at that time, only the people who were a form of a committee, at that time the NPO wasn't even signed or registered. So it wasn't even a legal corporation at the time.

You three were considered "members" even though you had not been to any meetings or attending anything. In fact you were the only 3 left who hadn't just walked away and made it clear. yet you were never part of anything. As it stands, I have given factual records of what happened, you have yet to prove anything, from you claiming to be a founder or founding committee member, considering there wasn't even a committee at that time, just a gathering of people.

-Shane

:I said members, I said nothing about meeting attendance.

:You even called it a concom in your own notes. There wouldn't be any voting and you wouldn't be calling it a concom if there was no convention committee.

:And the NPO did go through, with my name on it as a director, I have emails saying I was being removed from it. I wasn't trying to include that either.

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 04:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It can be called whatever in the notes, the fact is. I and the others know what happened, we have the facts and the proof and all you have is the constant crap you keep adding. For someone who hates the con so much and the people involved, your pretty damn insistent and adamant about taking as much credit for it as possible. You've done nothing for this con, except put it down during the planning and even after the con finished, you made it clear about your dislike and even hatred of the con and the people involved, yet you continue this nonsense to give yourself as much credit as you can. you were give your "Thank you" in the conbook (Which I can also scan and post) and you should be greatful for that much and move on.

It was a hard decision to even give you that small "Credit" after all the negativity you are putting on the convention and the people involved.

Please move on - Shane.

:The insults are not necessary.

:Neither is the slander. I never said I hated the people involved in the con.

:It was called a concom because it was a concom. You can't just declare over a year later that what we were all saying, and what you were saying now was all wrong.

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 05:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I have the citation saying I started a discussion on Ontario Furries after getting financial backing than anyone can look at in the torfur archives. Could I just add that only? Or even at least put something down saying it's a personal claim?

I have email from the torfurcom list as well:

::Welcome to the "Torfurcon" mailing list
::Wed, March 11, 2009 7:46:00 PM
::...
::From:
::"torfurcon-request [at] lists.forterosso.com" <torfurcon-request [at] lists.forterosso.com>
::...
::
::To: danskunk@rogers.com
::Hey guys... to make things a little bit easier to manage (and pursuant to Roo's request), I've created a mailing list for ::convention discussion - you can send to torfurcon -AT- lists -DOT- forterosso -DOT- com and they'll be redirected to all of ::us.
::
::Please contact Scani if you have any concerns or wish to be unsubscribed. Thanks!Welcome to the Torfurcon [at] ::lists.forterosso.com mailing list!
::
::....

I'll let someone look at my mail if they need to even.

The insults and slander are far out of proportion to what I want to do here in my opinion.

I just want wikifur to have an accurate picture of my involvement in the fandom.

[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 05:48, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I have nothing else to say, facts are facts and you need to move on and get your reality straight.
No insults have been made to or about you, just facts and truths.

Edit: Lots of people were on that "list" that were intially not supposed to be and are no longer on it, that was also during the initial stages of many things and problems being worked out.

-Shane

:Those are not facts, they're opinions, I dispute your accusation that I hate the people involved in the con. That makes it not a fact.

:I edited the article to remove more inaccuracies.

:"Toronto Furry" as an organization is a loosely affiliated group of resources serving members accross Ontario. It's area include the location of [[Camp Feral]] and [[C-ACE]] which have had up to 130 and 224 attendees, respectively. The "Toronto Furry Home Page" became known as "Ontario Furries" on November 13, 2008, reflecting this service area.

:Clarification of whether "Toronto area" or "Toronto Furry" is intended is needed.

:http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Toronto_Furry
:http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/C-ACE
:http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Camp_Feral

:The convention originated with private discussions between [[Dan Skunk]] and other individuals and later moved to forum discussions.

:http://mailman.catsden.net/mailman/listinfo/torfur , December 2nd, 2008.

:The name Furnal Equinox, was not chosen by questionairre. the results of the questionairre held, "Great Canadian FurCon" as the winning name.

:::CON NAME: What is your first and second choices for on name?
:::[ 2 ] OnFurCon
:::[ 7 ] TorFurCon
:::[ 11 ] Furnal Equinox
:::[ 13 ] Great Canadian FurCon

:"Furnal Equinox" was chosen later by a email discussion with the committee. It was declared the winner on June 11, 2009 with 2 votes made by Shiro Tora and Pakesh De.

:TorFurCon mailing list, June 7, 2009
:TorFurCon mailing list, June 11, 2009

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 11:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::Alright, now I am involved.
::C-ACE was an event held in an Ontario location, but was not resourced by Toronto Furries any more than What The Fur is on Ontario Furries.
::Dan, Please stop throwing terms around which have no bearing on the current situation. The staff of Furnal Equinox has not been slandering nor insulting you. As a matter of fact, the inverse is true. Wikifur is not the place for arguments, nor personal vendettas. This is a place for information. Factual verifiable information. Forums and Livejournal are the place for personal opinion.
::No one is claiming that you were not involved at the very start of the organization. However, following your departure from the committe, you were not involved with FE any more than you were with any other convention's con-com. The forums serve as a place to announce information about conventions. Using forums as such does not constitute direct involvement on a personal level. If this were the case, then Benjamin from Furry.ca has had as much involvement in FE.
::I would highly suggest that all parties just drop the subject. Nothing is served by anyone dragging this on, especially here on Wikifur. I would ask the admins to perhaps monitor for any changes, and if I have stepped over the line I do apologise.
[[User:Felinaeus|Feli]] 14:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The "Toronto Furry" area has included Ottawa for a long time, hence the name change. C-CACE was within that area.

:::If I back up my claims, they're not slander. And I've not insulted anyone. Please cite where you think this has occured.

:::I am *trying* to put verifiable factual information here and it very much is being removed.

:::I never said offering forums constituted any involvement. That's not what I'm trying to add here.

:::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 15:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Wolfmist, please stop undoing edits and placing back information that's being contested.

[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 16:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removed information - request for clarification ==

"Prior to Furnal Equinox's establishment, the largest gatherings in the [[Toronto Furry|Toronto area]] tended to be larger furmeets such as the [[Islington Furmeet]] and BBQs hosted by [[Potoroo]], which regularly attracted between 50 to 100 people."

This appears to be a fact. It is contested that Camp Feral and C-ACE are examples or earlier conventions held in the Toronto area. I see no problem in adding in Camp Feral to the line, since it generally only has 100 people as it is, so that shouldn't be a problem. However, C-ACE is not a furry convention, it merely has a few furry themes. It is, if you look at the [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Template:Conventions template], under the non-furry section. So I do not believe it should be held as an example of a furry convention in the area.

"The convention originated from discussion on forums in late 2008 and early 2009, bringing together a number of interested individuals and the financial resources to develop a convention committee and the required organization."

This, also, is a fact and applies to Dan Skunk as well. The main problem seems to be that Dan Skunk would like his name mentioned, but since no other names are mentioned in the statement, I think it is fair to keep it without any of the contributing members' names.

"and was added to a list of names on a questionairre to consider what name was best, these were answered by the local furries at Islington Meet and tallied up later."

This line is disputed because it seems that the questionnaire was not actually followed. If so, then that should be explained in a line after this, because that doesn't involve the truth of this line. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Furnal Equinox

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Furnal Equinox

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Silver seren: Please don't remove information without explaining. Edit summaries are there for a reason

{{Infobox convention
|name = Furnal Equinox
|logo =
|caption =
| subject = Furry
| location = {{flagdiv|can|[[Wikipedia:Toronto|Toronto]], [[Wikipedia:Ontario|Ontario]], [[Wikipedia:Canada|Canada]]}}
| url = http://www.furnalequinox.com/
| status = Ongoing
| first = 6-7 March 2010
| final =
| organizer = Anthropomorphic Events of Ontario
| charity =
| resources = {{con resources}}
}}{{Furnal Equinox}}
'''Furnal Equinox''' is a furry [[convention]] held during the month of March in [[Wikipedia:Toronto|Toronto]], [[Wikipedia:Ontario|Ontario]], [[Wikipedia:Canada|Canada]].

== Origins ==

Prior to Furnal Equinox's establishment, the largest gatherings in the [[Toronto Furry|Toronto area]] tended to be larger furmeets such as the [[Islington Furmeet]] and BBQs hosted by [[Potoroo]], which regularly attracted between 50 to 100 people. Despite significant community support, Toronto had not yet hosted a hotel-based furry event. Furnal Equinox was therefore promoted in its first year as "Toronto's First Furry Convention".

The convention originated from discussion on forums in late 2008 and early 2009, bringing together a number of interested individuals and the financial resources to develop a convention committee and the required organization. Furnal Equinox was formally announced to the world on July 1 (Canada Day), 2009.<ref>''[http://www.furnalequinox.com/FAQ FAQ], Furnal Equinox website (accessed 14 July 2010)</ref>

The name Furnal Equinox was conceived by [[ShiroTora]] and was added to a list of names on a questionairre to consider what name was best, these were answered by the local furries at Islington Meet and tallied up later. The chosen name plays upon the convention's placement in March during the beginning of spring (the vernal equinox).<ref>''[http://www.furnalequinox.com/About-Us About Us]'', Furnal Equinox website (accessed 14 July 2010)</ref>

== History ==

'''[[Furnal Equinox 2010]]''' took place on March 6-7, 2010 at the Doubletree by Hilton Toronto Airport, attracting 330 attendees - the most for any furry event in Canada up to that point. The guests of honour were [[Heather Bruton]] and [[BushyCat]], and the convention celebrated the theme of "Furry Fun and Games".

'''[[Furnal Equinox 2011]]''' will occur on March 11-13, 2011, returning to the Doubletree Toronto Airport. The Guests of Honour will be [[FirestormSix]] and [[ZEN]], and the convention's theme will be "Wild Magic".

== Staff ==

[[Pakesh De]] and [[Blindsight]] are the current co-chairs of Furnal Equinox.

Others currently involved include [[Aaeden Aranor]], [[Arctic]] (security), [[Arinmal]], [[Arrowroot]] (dealers), [[Kimba]], [[Scani]] (publicity/business), and [[Shane]] (registration/volunteers).

Furnal Equinox is operated by Anthropomorphic Events of Ontario, a not-for-profit corporation in the Province of Ontario.

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.furnalequinox.com/ Furnal Equinox website]
*[http://forums.furnalequinox.com/ Furnal Equinox forum]
*[http://community.livejournal.com/furnalequinox/ Furnal Equinox on LiveJournal]
*[http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=165793707559 Furnal Equinox on Facebook]
*[http://twitter.com/furnalequinox Furnal Equinox on Twitter]
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2010-07-28T04:35:06Z

Silver seren: /* Furnal Equinox Meeting Notes */

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== Furnal Equinox Meeting Notes ==

Could you please scan the notes into your computer and then upload them, so we can link to them as a reference? With actual evidence of facts like that, it would be concrete if it is supported by a reference link, so that everyone can see it. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Best I can do is post the official meeting notes from our site, as it stands, the computer copy is on the laptop, all notes were transcribed by me from voice recorder, I cannot give a link to the forum section where the notes are, since it's protected from last year.

Straight Copy/Paste from the forum.
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Meeting Minutes - 07/20/09
« on: July 22, 2009, 03:41:36 PM » Reply with quote Modify message Remove message Split Topic
Members attentending meeting.
Meeting officially started at 8:00 p.m.
Crassadon,Pakesh_de,Blindsight,Shane,Scani,ShiroTora.
Meeting officially ended at 9:30 p.m.

Items Voted on
Removal of Dan from concom and staff. Passed. Unanimous Vote
Dan as Staff. Vote was (4)No - (1)Yes. Failed.
Danruk removed from Concom to staff. Passed. Unanimous Vote.
Sparrow removed. *Pro-Forma* Unanimous.
Shane Promoted to Secretary. -=Blindsight Abstained from voting due to conflict of interest.=- Vote was (3)Yes - (1)No. Passed.
1 Week trial for people, accepted by 2 members. Passed.

Room's to book
Halton/Missisauga/End Room.
Aurora room - $350/day
Peel Room - Take it or not? - $700(would have to book tables and chairs)
We take room posessions from 6 a.m. to 6 a.m.

Layout
halton room-zoo/game
a-dealer den
b-event room1
c-event room2
Aurora room-Fur room
$4700/day total
Headless room, stand fans and a cooling unit.(talk to suiters on IRC channels about experiences)
4 foot isles are acceptable for dealers room tables. Crassadon checked into it. 16 Table setup.
Shiro: $70 for full table for weekend, $40 for half table. Artist tables.

Hotel room rate
$129/night - average person might be $139
Crassadon expects $129. - Need to ask if we get any discounts for contracts or room discount for con members.
Rooms are Double Beds.

Directors Roles(assignment & Re-assignment)
Crassadon wanted to do dance and zoo, running. Help with registration at con.
Dance,zoo,masquerade, games co-ordinators needed.
PR Handled by Shiro/Scani as a group.
Scani handles online Stuff. Shiro handles Personal contacts etc.
Proposed Security Chieft contact: ArcticFox/ArcticWolf. Anthrocon staff. Speak to Shiro.
Speak to him about how many radio's to use etc.

Insurance
Insurance carrier needs to be approached and quotes needed for a $500k plan to cover us.
Needs to be 60-90 days before the event for the quote.

Pre-Reg
$35 - Door
$10 - Pre-reg discount?
$25 - 5 month Pre-reg Price

CNTower Usage
The Release form information had nothing that stopped us from using the CNTower logo we had in buttons and shirt.
Sent(Send) to scani to look at.

Music
Crassadon suggested a live band called "Tall Black Girls".

Events
Same events for the non-fursuiters as the fusuiters. People were upset at Anthrocon cause the games were all focused on the fursuiters.
Games need to be brought/purchased for game room. Card/Board/Video Games.
People bring systems etc.
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:Can't you get a screencap of it from the site? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

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2010-07-28T04:13:27Z

Silver seren: /* Meeting Notes */

Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self.
:If Dan Skunk was not the founder, can you please provide online evidence of who the real founder is, so this matter can be put to rest? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Members of the committe and con as of First Con in 2010.

Co-Chairs: Blindsight_Wolf
Pakesh_De
Committe: Scani
Shane
Crassadon
ArrowRoot
ArcticFox
Morgan(now Deceased)

There was other people who were involved in the beginning months, they either dropped out, were removed or voted out. As the committee developed and became the current group.

Registered corporate members are: Blindsight_wolf, Scani, Pakesh_de, Shane, Crassadon.
These are people who are registered Directors of the convention. Legally registered on the NPO.

The list of members and concom is available at www.furnalequinox.com and also the original page creator is Scani, so you can also speak with him.

Shane.

: While the list of concom members is not available on Furnal Equinox's website, I can attest that the information Shane has provided is correct for the 2010 concom and can be sourced from our conbook for that year. To reiterate, the claims being made in the article do not reflect Furnal Equinox's stance. I'm open to any questions if desired, though. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 13:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A lot of the source information was removed in 2009 as I removed the Toronto Furry Convention forum from Ontario Furries when it fell into dissuse and hadn't yet created a system to archive deleted posts.

There are a number of people that can corroborate my claim of starting Furnal Equinox, and I could cite some of the early conversations I had with people about the convention from the summer of 2008 but it will be impossible to present anything that can not be contested by Furnal Equinox.

I don't want to be associated with Furnal Equinox and I don't think they want to be associated with me, but I believe the community deserves to have an accurate history of events and that people should be credited for their contributions to the furry community.

As there is likely not going to be a consensus in this situation, the only solution I can see is that we have a section here describing controversy over certain facts and present the differing viewpoints people have on it.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 16:55, 18 July 2010

:It's... very unfortunate that a dispute between Dan and FE has been brought into the public eye once again. I don't wish to bring arguments with Dan onto WikiFur, because this is not its purpose for the articles here to be a battleground for the conflicts themselves... only how they're reported, if seen as notable enough to be.
:First of all, I've cleared the "Controversy" section from the article. However, in the interests of good faith, I've copied that section to the bottom of the talk page with two understandings: first, perhaps we can establish a consensus among not just Dan and FE but with the mediation of other WikiFur editors on whether it is needed. Secondly, if there is a consensus that it IS needed, then that section can be collectively edited by not just the stakeholders, but by all in a manner that is satisfactory to all. Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties.
:However, in the interests of disclosure, this is my understanding of the events that have taken place between Dan and FE (perhaps from a more FE-ish perspective)

:*A Toronto Furry Convention board existed on Ontario Furries from at least late 2008. A number of the current concom members posted on this forum, where a number of ideas were discussed (though no firm decisions re: the planning of the convention as it is taking place now took place as a result - i.e. we did not enter into any contracts with any party, and as the name will suggest, the name Furnal Equinox was not yet decided at this point.)
:*After several months of discussion, a private mailing list was created with the involvement of all those who expressed an interest in serving on the convention committee; their first action was to elect Pakesh De as convention chairman and subsequent decisions such as name, date, and venue were made through here.
:*Anthropomorphic Events of Ontario (AEO) was incorporated as a Ontario corporation without share capital on June 11, 2009. Dan's name was included in the application for incorporation as an initial director.
:*At a meeting of the convention committee on July 20, 2009, Dan was dismissed from Furnal Equinox's concom by a unanimous vote. His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success. He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted.
:*Following his removal, Dan expressed his displeasure in a number of ways, engaging in a great deal of public criticism of the convention on Ontario Furries. These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him.
:*However, in an attempted gesture of good faith, Dan was mentioned and thanked by name in the conbook for the 2010 convention for his contribution.
:*The relationship between Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries (the community forum which Dan administrates) has been quite rocky over the past year, and has sometimes been severed altogether to be later restored. However, following the convention in April 2010, Furnal Equinox's subforum on Ontario Furries was deleted without warning. When it became clear that any sort of diplomacy or negotiations to restore the forum would not be successful, the two parties agreed to mutually sever relations.

:It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 23:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self."

The committee of people that met on [[Ontario Furries]] were all members of that web site at the time of their meeting; therefore, it would not be inaccurate to say they were Ontario Furries.

Claiming that I am lieing is slanderous. You should back up that claim, or qualify it by saying it's your opinion that they are lies.

Shane became involved the the project later than everyone else and was not involved in those early discussions and has no first hand experience on the events his claims are about.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 23:38, 18 July 2010

"He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted."

I did not make that request. I discussed it, but decided not to make the request. Had I done so, there would be no displeasure with the decision to remove me from being a director.

Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation. Others dismissed at that meeting were Sparrow and Danruk both of whom were involved in the convention planning prior to creation of the Toronto Furry Convention Board on Ontario Furries and were working with me and supporting my involvement. They were present at the first meetings with hotels, including the one chosen for the convention and instrumental to the success of the convention. None of us were present at this meeting to defend ourselves.

"His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success."

My experience was that being deliberately left out of planning discussions, not being given information I needed to be able to contribute, and being blamed for mistakes others made as a result of this lack of communication to me. My dismissal directly followed my criticism of this behaviour and recommendation that someone else act as chair.

"These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him."

This criticism was considered a gesture of goodwill towards the success of the convention, and to prove my value to the success of the convention.

My predictions of wasted and mismanaged space, time, and resources proved to be correct durring the course of the convention. Had my recomendations been acted on, the convention, and it's members, in spite of my removal, would have saved a considerable amount of money. Instead, the recomendations were met with contempt and derision from the convention's remaining organizers.

The wholesale rejection of these recommendations, to me, showed that the success of the convention and service to the community was secondary to the organizers recieving personal recognition for their efforts.

Following the convention, I made public my complaint of unprofessional behaviour and personal prejudice towards me from staff both directly and through convention security after it was dismissed by co-chair, Pakesh De, as personal issues between me and the staff members and not the responsibility of the convention. Something I considered extremely irresponsible and unprofessional.

"It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished."

That research was provided in the initial public discussions for the convention, and in information submitted to the committee after it was formed.

My original desire for contributing to this article was to add the details of Ontario Furries as the location of the forum discussions mentioned and Dan Skunk as the initiator of these discussions. I was, and continue to be the owner of Ontario Furries and it was in this capacity that I created this sub forum after making research into the feasibility of the project. I believe names of contributors and locations where discussions took place to be relevant to an article on the history of the convention. It is obvious that these discussions took place *somewhere* and were started by *someone*. The original organizing committee that created Furnal Equinox was formed through discussion on the Ontario Furries forum through a series of nominations and public voting presented on the forum

If there is contention to these facts, then I assert that this contention then is a relevant part of the history of the convention and that all sides of the contention deserve equal opportunity to present their claims so long as it is made known that these are claims and who is making the claims.

"Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties."

Wikifur is an encyclopedia which means it should contain factual information presented from a neutral point of view. I believe this means that if there is a dispute over facts, the nature of the dispute should be described in a way that does not attempt to promote either side of the dispute; Wikifurs's purpose is not to promote the credibility of individuals and organizations but inform the fandom of the facts related to them. Facts should not be deliberately omitted to improve the public image of individuals and groups.

In this spirit, I suggest Scani contribute to the proposed section to elaborate on Furnal Equinox's position on the disputed facts unless consensus can be agreed upon.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 05:39, 19 July 2010

:''Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation.''
:The assertion that the vote was invalid due to lack of quorum (i.e. a majority of members of the body) is incorrect. While the events in question took place a year ago and are slightly hazy on my part, at the absolute MINIMUM the remaining four directors and/or officers of the convention were present at the time to vote on the matter (which pertained to Dan's removal from concom, as well as from any further staff role with FE. To my recollection, at least five votes were cast; this would be a majority of the concom which consisted of nine members at the time. Moreover, in Ontario, a decision to amend governance would be governed by the corporation's bylaws, not the articles of incorporation. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::There were 8 committee members at the time. Quorum was decided to be 5 so that there would be a majority. Since there were only 4, then quorum was not reached.

::There could not be 5 votes with only 4 members present.

::I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.

::I was never made aware of the existence of corporate bi-laws while a director of the corporation.

::I was present for an earlier meeting where it was decided by majority vote that quorum would be 5 to constitute a majority of the 8 members.

::These are only some examples of the unprofessional conduct of members of the committee. While I was a registered director of the corporation, my inquiries into the financial and corporate activities of the corporation were deliberately ignored and I was not informed of decisions being made that affected business of the corporation. My criticism of decisions behind made was strongly discouraged by the chairman ordering me to stop, by insults from committee and staff members, and by being ignored. I was informed by Blindsight that he was asserting his dominance and that I would need to change my behaviour if I wanted to be in the loop.

::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 00:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:::First of all - I said there were certainly at LEAST four votes, and recall specifically that there were at least five (considering Pak and I recall that Shiro was also present at the meeting). As Shane served in a secretarial role for concom meetings at the time, he would have the record thereof, but I am nonetheless confident that the decision represented the desires of the organization of a whole. While I can understand it being controversial if there had been dissent at the meeting, there was none. This is in line with the purpose of quorum from a moral standpoint (if not a legalistic one) where an unduly small number of people on a governing body do not control the decisions thereof.
:::''I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.''
:::Your signature was required on the application document, and as far as I know, was obtained at a meeting in early June 2009. Presumably, you would have had the opportunity to review the completed application, which included first directors and "objects of the corporation" at any time while the application was in front of you.
:::I can not speak for these so-called "insults" from concom, but as far as I'm concerned, I did my best to interact with you in good faith, and despite my initial reservations re: your presence, you had every opportunity from me to demonstrate value to us - and I truly believed that because of the quantity of your social network you could be an asset to our operations. Obviously, this did not prove to be the case, and the concom's decision reflected that after several months of working with you.
:::The point I'm trying to make in all of this really has to come down to the group dynamics that worked themselves out. When we first came together, and one of the concerns was coherency. Bringing people together is one thing, but to actually develop some common goals and common purpose is another altogether. A group of people in the same room does not necessarily equal a team. And... regardless of how much work you DID accomplish in the leadup to this, it's another thing to work together, and that impression in your case just wasn't there. People weren't here to just follow your lead. Had you remained present, a lot more friction would have developed, and probably would have had a negative impact on the convention's success. As it turned out... there was a lot of friction anyway. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

::::It was my oversight for not reading through the entire application. We seemed in a hurry to get it done so I just trusted I was already told what was in it.

::::We had a common goal. That was not an issue.

::::I never expected people to follow my lead or anyone else's lead. I expected them to work together as equals. That requires that people communicate their ideas with each other, accept criticism with each other, and make decisions together as a group. Some where not willing to do that, and that's what caused problems.

::::Regardless, my contributions should not be deleted from this article.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Additional Info: I was a helper to Blindsight at the time and was at the meetings as secreatary and I can attest, after discussions about why to remove Danskunk, the good and bad things he has done for the convention. He was voted out, with Quaorum with a unanimous vote to remove him from the con period.

I may even still have the records as they were transcribed and sent to the list and FE forums that we have of our own.

If Danskunk demands all facts and things should be allowed, then he should freely allow all the "facts" about himself on his wikifur page that pertain to the community and fandom.

Danskunks "Research" was checked out by me and took less then 5 minutes with a quick "wikifur" search, where all his information and research was from.
-Shane Nicholson(WolfMist)

:I accept all facts to be included in this article; any facts that are in dispute should be clearly described as so.

:My research took place over many months of travelling to Toronto to look at possible venues, through discussions with members of the community interested in helping, interviews with people who were directors at other successful conventions, some of it was collected from wikifur, but it was also re-organized to better serve our needs. I also brought observations from many years of attending conventions.

:Shane was not involved in this reasearch.

:--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

It's quite evident that we're not going to reach a consensus on this. Could we start working on editing the proposed section to include what information we all want to provide there?

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Primarily speaking, the parties involved here are FE and you. I'd honestly be more comfortable seeking the opinions of neutral parties if possible, to objectively assess what the value of what you're proposing is - as neither of us will be able to do that. Will this controversy, namely, be important five years down the line?
:Re: the section that was recently added listing 'founding members' - a few of the names asked to withdraw their involvement quite early, and they may object to their appearance here in this article. The list also fails to acknowledge individuals that came on board after founding whose contribution nonetheless played an instrumental role in the convention's success... and I honestly feel they should not be trivialized (people like Morgan, Arrowroot, etc.)
:So I'm not sure if the section as it currently stands is appropriate, but if others say it should, alphabetical would be more appropriate. Perhaps the information is better classified elsewhere, but I'll comment more on that tomorrow. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 03:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I've made it alphabetical. I didn't know about later joining members. Perhaps we should keep the current list, though rewrite the lead-in to say original founding members and then have a separate sentence listing those that joined in after the fact? They should certainly be recognized.

::And if any of the people listed do not wish their name to be associated with Furnal Equinox, then they just have to speak with Greenreaper and he will take them off and make sure they stay off of the list. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::My suggestion would be that if needed, the relevant information be placed in a 'current' and 'former' section in the article (perhaps as a two-column table) - or at least other titles that represent those who are still working on the convention and those who have moved on to other projects. There should be no particular stigma associated with the latter. Also, ref. proposed changes below (you can always refer back to previous edits for previous versions) --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 11:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't believe a current and former section is necessary. There is already an origins section there which is appropriate to list the original organizers in, describe their contributions, and when and why they left.

::::I sincerly appreciate you acknowledging that the discussions began on Ontario Furries, Scani. If there is consensus on that fact, then I believe it can stand in the origins section where I originally placed it as it is most relevant to that topic. I would also like it stated that I started the conversation there. Another contributer has been contesting both though so it may only be able to stand as a contested fact, but it can be stated the we both support it.

::::I don't believe a description of my removal should be in an Ontario Furries section as it is not relevant to Ontario Furries, but to myself only. My criticism should also not be included there as it was my personal opinion--not that of Ontario Furries.

::::I think we could put it the description of my and Ontario Furries's involvement in the origins section as it is most relevant there. I don't believe either are important enough to warrant their own headlines.

::::I disagree with saying there was a lack of shared direction, as there was a shared direction: producing a convention, a goal which all parties made contributions critical to it's success. The only disagrement was over details of how to accomplish those goals and responsibilities of individual members. I may wish to describe what those were.

::::I also disagree with saying there was a conflict between me and the rest of the concom because that was not true. I had disagreements with only half of the concom. I'd also like it stated that everyone that supported my inclusion was also removed.

::::I'd like to add my own perception of my criticism's as I saw them quite differently.

::::I contest that there was no warning, as I made repeated requests of FE to change their behaviour and would like to add my own assesment of why they were removed.

::::I'll get to adding my revisions later.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 13:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Scani, as long as there is someone that feels the information to be valuable, there is no reason it can not be included. Other parties are free to contribute their knowledge to the article as well, as this is a colaborative effort but no one should be censoring other people's contributions based on their assesment of how valuable they are. Readers should be given the opportunity to have as much information as possible and decide for themselves what is or is not valuable to them.

:::Whether or not someone wishes to be included in the article or not is irrelevant. Deliberately presenting false information, or omitting information for the purpose of manipulating public opinion for any reason is dishonest and against the spirit of wikifur as being a place to present factual information from a neutral perspective.

:::Making the list alphabetical sounds good to me. Thank you.

:::If someone does not want to be associated with Furnal Equinox, it should be added to the article that they do not wish to be associated with it, thusly satisfying their desire for disassociating without sacrificing the integrity of facts. However, I think stating that they resigned, should be enough to indicate their lack of support.

:::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Relationship with Ontario Furries (proposed) ==

Discussion for what became Furnal Equinox originally took place on the [[Ontario Furries]] forum, operated by [[Dan Skunk]]. Though Dan was originally involved in planning discussions, he was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 due to lack of shared direction and conflicts between him and the remainder of concom.

Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation. Dan has claimed that his removal was unjustified, and that he has been subjected to negative treatment and insults by other staff members. Both claims are disputed by the other party.

The relationship between members of Furnal Equinox's convention committee and Dan has remained strained, culminating in the removal of Furnal Equinox's subforum and the banning of a number of committee members without warning in April 2010. Currently, Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries have no formal connections.

Propose addtions to Origins instead of Relationship with Ontario Furries section.

I've been researching more details, so much of the Ontario Furries discussion is redundant.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origins ==

[[Dan Skunk]] was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 over disagreements with some of the other committee members. [[M-So]] and [[Danruk]] were also removed on this date.

:[[Dan Skunk]] contests the decision as quorum was not present at this meeting and none of the people removed were given an opportunity to be present to defend themselves. He claims the dismissals were politically motivated because he expressed a lack of confidence in [[Pakesh De]] chairship immediately prior to being removed and that the others removed were friends of his.

:[[Scani]] claims [[Dan Skunk]] was removed over conflicts with other members of the concom and a lack of shared direction and that the decision represented the desires of the organization as a whole.

==Relationship with Ontario Furries==

[[Furnal Equinox]], along with members of the concom, [[Pakesh De]], [[Blindsight]], [[Shane]], [[Chris]] were banned from discussions on [[Ontario Furries]] in April 2010 for repeated insulting and defamitory comments.
:[[Scani]] claims it was without warning.
:Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation.

==Request for Intervention==

This situation has become absolutely ridiculous, and I'm not satisfied with it whatsoever. The changes made by Dan to the article over the past couple of years have resulted in a significant decrease in quality in the article, not to mention a significant shift away from a neutral point of view. The changes that were made can only be described as "self-aggrandizing" and disproportionate to the remainder of the article.

Is it possible for both parties to lay off editing and that another party come in to perhaps arbitrate this issue? This is the continued manifestation of a conflict between Dan and Furnal Equinox - and I really don't feel it's fair for Dan to continue to edit the article unilaterally and play up his importance (just as it wouldn't be fair for us to do likewise). --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:I haven't been following this situation that closely but I will offer a couple of observations:
:#If someone is posting information they claim to be true and others dispute it, then one side or the other needs to provide references to back up their claims. If neither side is able to do so, then it reverts to the level of hearsay, and we have to settle for something like "So-and-so claims X but others have disputed this." Also note that any allegedly deleted websites may in fact be preserved at sites such as [http://www.archive.org/web/web.php The Internet Wayback Machine] and those are generally as reliable as the original sites if the material still exists there.
:#We don't need a detailed play-by-play of who said what and what happened when. The only people who care about that level of detail are the handful of people who were directly involved. A summary description is good enough for the other 99% of us, and that's all we need on Wikifur. And it's quite possible that a summary description can be written in a manner that much of the content under dispute doesn't even matter at that level of detail. Try to imagine how you'd summarize something that happened a few years ago, then do it that way.
:I hope this helps. Oh, and here in the talk page, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think a few notible points in the development and who was responsible for them is reasonable.

::If someone thinks they're important, and they're factual and referenced, there's no reason for them not to be included.

::It's a fair look at who contributed what in the lead up to the event. If someone happens to have made a lot of contributions, they'll of course be mentioned more. I any case, it's unfair and misleading to remove all reference to someone who made contributions.

::Arbitration is unnecessary, you have the opportunity to add anything that was left out.

::Please refrain from personal attacks, Scani. If you have something to contest, it can be removed as a fact.

::--Dan Skunk 22:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::That's more than a few notable points. If you were viewing the article about some other convention that's been running for several years, would you really care to see that level of detail about how it got started, to the level of quotations from the parties involved, assuming you were at most only casually acquainted online with any of the people involved? Most people wouldn't, and I don't think most people do here either. It could be argued that it should be preserved for those with enough historical interest to care, but the main article about the convention here on Wikifur is not the place to do it. (On an unrelated style note, only the first occurrence of each person mentioned in the article should be wikilinked.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 22:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I think it would be fine without the quotes, and just a few notes.

::::The name of the forum mentioned and who started the discussion does not seem to be too much to include, as it only adds five words. That's what I find most important and relevant as the section is about origins and that describes where the organization originated, and who it originated from.

::::That was contested and removed, so I did some research and found a reference to it, hence the quote and link backing it up. I could replace the quote with a footnote of where the reference is located.

::::While doing research to find that reference, I found who found the venue and who found the date. Those are at least as notible as who thought of the name, so if originator of the name is included, I think that of the venue and date should be as well.

::::I thought it was interesting to watch how the idea of the convention was developed from another event, and thought that would be interesting to show. I could be included in a seperate page though describing a timeline for those so interested to view it without hindering the conciseness of the main article. I could also do that without offering all the quotes, but rather references to them.

::::Linking only the first occurance seems reasonable as it makes the article easier to read. I don't understand signing posts with 4 tildes. What does that do? My appologies for being new to wikifur. I had stuff to contribute, especially to my own article, and am learning how to work with people here as I go. Thank you for the help.

::::--Dan Skunk 23:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::I apologize for my brusqueness earlier - this process has been tremendously frustrating. From my own personal opinion, the edits which added comments such as "Dan Skunk... made the first visit", "Dan Skunk created a board..." and "Dan Skunk promoted having the convention..." in rapid succession, especially considering the edits were made by Dan, did come across in a very self-promotional manner and rubbed me the wrong way. A significant number of Dan's edits since this issue have had something to do with attributing foundation to Furnal Equinox to Dan and his website, Ontario Furries.
:::::I perceive the basic issue at hand to be "how much credit should be given to Dan Skunk for the establishment of Furnal Equinox in this article". This is also not a fight about "contesting" material; the ideal solution would be an article that is acceptable to both parties, and... well, the unsolicited edits to the page certainly breached my understanding that was something that could be worked towards. Not only one that is based in fact but one that is fair, neutral, and NOT an attempt to dig up dirt. I left a message asking for arbitration because it did not seem possible to do this.
:::::The question, too, is what proportion of recognition is appropriate. A project such as running a convention is collective, not individual. There are a lot of people who saw this work to completion, and I don't think it's appropriate to throw them in the background so that one person can come forth unilaterally and say "I did this and this." Moreover, who's to say there weren't people who looked into the feasibility of a furry convention in Toronto prior to this? (Yes, I know, citation needed.)
:::::My proposal remains a list of current and former people involved in a concom role in the current 'Staff' section, as well as an acknowledgement that initial discussion took place on Ontario Furries. (Honestly, given an opportunity, I'd like to turn back the clock to 19 May but realize that's not likely.)
:::::For the record, signing a message with four tildes will post your current username (or IP address if you are not logged in), as well as the current date and time. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 04:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Thank you, Scani. I appreciate the appology and forgive that.

::::::I can certainly understand how the edits I made would seem self promotional, especially comming from myself. That's why I was trying to include other names in it as well. I was hoping if someone had something they though should be mentioned about them, that they should add it as well, resolving more of the one sidedness.

::::::Unfortunately, if we are to be honest and neutral, I did contribute a lot of essential information and resources to the convention. To minimize those contributions would be not be honest and neutral.

::::::Scani's proposal.

::::::I think only adding that the discussion took place on Ontairo Furries would be deminishing my contribution. The discussions took place on Ontario Furries, but as is show from the email referenced, those discussions were started by me only after I had gathered the financial resources needed to start the convention.

::::::A more accurate description would be, "After gathering the needed financial resources to start a convention, Dan Skunk, started a discussion on Ontario Furries inviting others to become involved with the project." That will remove the incorrect information that the financial resources were brought together though those discussions. It also shows who initiated the process.

::::::You've mentioned who thought of the name, but if there's anyone, at all, that should be mentioned, it's the person that came up with the idea to start seriously working on the project.

::::::There were others that looked into running a convention Toronto that year. I started looking at venues following the first Islington Furmeet on June 14, 2008. Pyhrra did so as well but he concluded it was not a good time to start one based on economic conditions. M-So did asked me to help him look at venues on November 19, 2008.

::::::M-So and I concluded it was feasible and that we would work together on it.

::::::He should probably be mentioned as founding it as well.

::::::I would certainly prefer to come to a consensus on what to include in the article. But giving my experience with this article, I'm not certain that's possible. You've very diplomatic and professional about things, but you and me are not the only people interested in the article.

::::::We can't turn back time, but we could certainly repair mistakes. If it's something about me, I'm very forgiving. You just need to appologize and undo whatever was wrong.

::::::If it were up to me, I'd have turned back time to December 3, 2008, and not made a post inviting people to help with the convention untill *after* creating an npo and contracting the hotel--thusly completely avoiding this whole controversy and a lot of frustration and heartache to a lot of people.

::::::Thanks for letting me know what the tildes do.

::::::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 18:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Greetings to this thread which is currently growing to become a small editorial if not soon a book with special guest stars.

The current issue is credit where credit is due. Dan claims to have been *the* original creator of the con based on his board, gathering of folks, and even finding a backer. All said and done, but the *idea* which is being missed is the real idea was well over a decade ago when folks like me, benjamin, deuce, hiker, and many other old furs of the fandom groused about a con local to Toronto which then grew to become as we all know as Feral.

Now Dan was there at the start, had done some work, and did indeed find some folks that got together to make a functional convention yes. However personal issues much less other incidents which need not , or should not, need to be bandied about made such a arrangement intolerable and sadly it was a case of *my way or the highway* and the concom voted to remove what was perceived as the greatest trouble with the least amount of gutting of the con. Now and since then the level of anger from said removed party has led to folks in large numbers banned from his board while he continues to attack the con without any feedback from us as being some of the banned folks in question to simply and repeatedly asking to have issues reopened that were voted closed.

That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process. The issue is if this is all being done to simply add credit where credit is due then simply what is being told as * dan, danruk, sparrow* were at the start but were voted out after issued arouse should.. note *should* be enough for most folks. Apparently this is NOT the case and thus after many attempts personally to resolve the issue and being rebuffed I had to delegate any talks about Dan to the PR head Scani. I am only posting now after seeing this topic refuses to fall back into a common thread of acceptance with repeated rebuttals of any and all information we can provide. I wish to stay civil and not fall for the supposed * slander* attempts,and btw, slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around. I accept giving dan, danruk, and sparrow credit for being at the start and getting a few things going certainly. Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn.

IF this is all that is needed, i will ask that any and *all* talk of the convention is simply kept on topic and in more terms of * yes and we thank you but we had to let you go* as in terms of a employee being let go from the company rather then the slant that is being pushed out as if we all sat around in some plotting basement to overthrow folks and thus hijack the whole convention our-self. That is why we voted in concom to have a legal amount, plus the other staff that was around, voted, and revoted just to make sure the vote was open. I have told Dan this, others have told Dan this, and it refuses to simply sink in. The con did not, was not, and with all the bad blood, will not, have anything to do with Dan period. Note this can change if the lopsidedness does stop but alas many have tried and failed to get the point through.

I thank everyone for adding to the topic and folks for trying to make one side see the light. I wish to thank wikifur for letting us post the con and will hope they will be happy to have us stay. I wish to thank Scani for being PR and dealing with this topic with skill, grace, and civility. I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair.

Gaia bless and sorry for such a long winded reply.

Pakesh_De

ChairCritter for Furnal Equinox

:I never claimed to be the first person to think of having a convention in Toronto. I even cited other people speaking of it before me to show that. It wasn't however, untill I gathered financial support and sought others to be involved that it came to fruition.

:That fact should be included.

:"my way or the highway"

:I never once made any such demand. Please stop accusing me of it if you can't provide any evidence to support it.

:"That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process."

:That's what I actually asked for, and it was asked for, not demanded.

:"...slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around."

:I can support what I said there with citations. I'll do that as soon as I can for you.

:"Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn."

:I never made that claim either.

:I claimed to have got financial support together and started a discussion on Ontario Furries and supported that claim with a citation that showed nothing more than that.

:If you wish to be fair, as you claim to be, then you should not have a problem with that being included.

:" I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair."

:I'm pretty sure wikifur articles were not meant to be used as extortion to silence unwanted criticism from other web sites.

:People saying what you want them to on other web sites should not be a condition of whether something is contested or not.

:Please stop taking my words and infering things from them I never said or meant and making accusations you can't support.

:This is why we have trouble speaking with each other, and why I strongly suggested someone else act as chairman before being fired from FE. If someone like Scani, who as we both agree, has the ability to speak with skill, grace, and civility, were chairman, relations between FE, Ontario Furries and I would probably have never degraded in the first place.

:The first time I banned FE from Ontario Furries, your discussion with me had me wanting to make it permanent. It was Scani's respectful and professional manner and his willingness to take responsibility for problems and solve them that convinced me to give you a second chance. It's unfortunate he isn't able speak for the rest FE.

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::Okay, I'm going to weigh in my opinions. As an outside party, I feel it might be worth it.
::As I can see, OntarioFurries has been mentioned in the description of the convention. Should every mention of it be scrubbed? No. Should they all stay? No. This is why OF has a stub of its own. If references to the involvement need to be said, put them there.
::Dan is mentioned on the page as it is. Please see the above comment regarding OF - All of the same opinions apply.
::The page for Furnal Equinox is to give people interested in finding out about it more information about the event. You need only cite a reference and people can choose to go look for themselves. This is the whole reason citations exist.
::As for the editing war going on: give it a rest folks. The page is good. it has the info. Leave it be for a while. Nothing will be added continuing to say that things are in contention.
::To sum it up one last time: rest the topic and move on. Please? Either leave the article info to the people currently involved with the event, or to outside neutral third parties. Wikifur is not the place for personal grievances. (IMHO, no public forum is)
::[[User:Felinaeus|Feli]] 21:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Actually, Ontario Furries was removed as a reference.

:::Other people have been named with a description of their contribution. It's only fair that mine be as well.

:::I did cite a reference, and it was removed as well.

:::Not continuing to remove facts that are not in contention and supported by citation should resolve the debate.

:::People who are currently involved in the event should not control what is said about past members.

:::No, it's not a place for personal grievances, but it should be a place for facts.

:::I was just trying add my involvement in the fandom to the appropriate articles. Only FE keeps trying to remove parts of it.

:::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

==Meeting Notes==

Who just went in and edited the original committee list? That was not the original committee at all. I went to actually meetings with them and have notes from them.

[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 04:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:Both you and the other user have stated to have copies of the meeting notes that verifies their own argument. However, neither of you have produced visible evidence of these notes as proof for your argument. Could both of you please upload them so that we can view them? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Furnal Equinox

2010-07-28T04:13:03Z

Silver seren: /* Request for Intervention */

Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self.
:If Dan Skunk was not the founder, can you please provide online evidence of who the real founder is, so this matter can be put to rest? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Members of the committe and con as of First Con in 2010.

Co-Chairs: Blindsight_Wolf
Pakesh_De
Committe: Scani
Shane
Crassadon
ArrowRoot
ArcticFox
Morgan(now Deceased)

There was other people who were involved in the beginning months, they either dropped out, were removed or voted out. As the committee developed and became the current group.

Registered corporate members are: Blindsight_wolf, Scani, Pakesh_de, Shane, Crassadon.
These are people who are registered Directors of the convention. Legally registered on the NPO.

The list of members and concom is available at www.furnalequinox.com and also the original page creator is Scani, so you can also speak with him.

Shane.

: While the list of concom members is not available on Furnal Equinox's website, I can attest that the information Shane has provided is correct for the 2010 concom and can be sourced from our conbook for that year. To reiterate, the claims being made in the article do not reflect Furnal Equinox's stance. I'm open to any questions if desired, though. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 13:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

A lot of the source information was removed in 2009 as I removed the Toronto Furry Convention forum from Ontario Furries when it fell into dissuse and hadn't yet created a system to archive deleted posts.

There are a number of people that can corroborate my claim of starting Furnal Equinox, and I could cite some of the early conversations I had with people about the convention from the summer of 2008 but it will be impossible to present anything that can not be contested by Furnal Equinox.

I don't want to be associated with Furnal Equinox and I don't think they want to be associated with me, but I believe the community deserves to have an accurate history of events and that people should be credited for their contributions to the furry community.

As there is likely not going to be a consensus in this situation, the only solution I can see is that we have a section here describing controversy over certain facts and present the differing viewpoints people have on it.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 16:55, 18 July 2010

:It's... very unfortunate that a dispute between Dan and FE has been brought into the public eye once again. I don't wish to bring arguments with Dan onto WikiFur, because this is not its purpose for the articles here to be a battleground for the conflicts themselves... only how they're reported, if seen as notable enough to be.
:First of all, I've cleared the "Controversy" section from the article. However, in the interests of good faith, I've copied that section to the bottom of the talk page with two understandings: first, perhaps we can establish a consensus among not just Dan and FE but with the mediation of other WikiFur editors on whether it is needed. Secondly, if there is a consensus that it IS needed, then that section can be collectively edited by not just the stakeholders, but by all in a manner that is satisfactory to all. Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties.
:However, in the interests of disclosure, this is my understanding of the events that have taken place between Dan and FE (perhaps from a more FE-ish perspective)

:*A Toronto Furry Convention board existed on Ontario Furries from at least late 2008. A number of the current concom members posted on this forum, where a number of ideas were discussed (though no firm decisions re: the planning of the convention as it is taking place now took place as a result - i.e. we did not enter into any contracts with any party, and as the name will suggest, the name Furnal Equinox was not yet decided at this point.)
:*After several months of discussion, a private mailing list was created with the involvement of all those who expressed an interest in serving on the convention committee; their first action was to elect Pakesh De as convention chairman and subsequent decisions such as name, date, and venue were made through here.
:*Anthropomorphic Events of Ontario (AEO) was incorporated as a Ontario corporation without share capital on June 11, 2009. Dan's name was included in the application for incorporation as an initial director.
:*At a meeting of the convention committee on July 20, 2009, Dan was dismissed from Furnal Equinox's concom by a unanimous vote. His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success. He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted.
:*Following his removal, Dan expressed his displeasure in a number of ways, engaging in a great deal of public criticism of the convention on Ontario Furries. These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him.
:*However, in an attempted gesture of good faith, Dan was mentioned and thanked by name in the conbook for the 2010 convention for his contribution.
:*The relationship between Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries (the community forum which Dan administrates) has been quite rocky over the past year, and has sometimes been severed altogether to be later restored. However, following the convention in April 2010, Furnal Equinox's subforum on Ontario Furries was deleted without warning. When it became clear that any sort of diplomacy or negotiations to restore the forum would not be successful, the two parties agreed to mutually sever relations.

:It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 23:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

"Furnal Equinox was not created by Danskunk, nor was it created by Ontariofurries and was put together by a committe of people who met on Ontariofurries but that was the extent of it, anything added by or about Danskunk was added by him and are falsifications and lies put into his head by his own self."

The committee of people that met on [[Ontario Furries]] were all members of that web site at the time of their meeting; therefore, it would not be inaccurate to say they were Ontario Furries.

Claiming that I am lieing is slanderous. You should back up that claim, or qualify it by saying it's your opinion that they are lies.

Shane became involved the the project later than everyone else and was not involved in those early discussions and has no first hand experience on the events his claims are about.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 23:38, 18 July 2010

"He requested to be dismissed from being a director, due to not wanting to be exposed to the convention's liability anymore. This request was granted."

I did not make that request. I discussed it, but decided not to make the request. Had I done so, there would be no displeasure with the decision to remove me from being a director.

Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation. Others dismissed at that meeting were Sparrow and Danruk both of whom were involved in the convention planning prior to creation of the Toronto Furry Convention Board on Ontario Furries and were working with me and supporting my involvement. They were present at the first meetings with hotels, including the one chosen for the convention and instrumental to the success of the convention. None of us were present at this meeting to defend ourselves.

"His actions were perceived as progressively more erratic and independent of the direction the remainder of concom was taking (I refer to it as "we were moving left and he was moving right"), and the consensus was that his removal was in the best interests of the convention's success."

My experience was that being deliberately left out of planning discussions, not being given information I needed to be able to contribute, and being blamed for mistakes others made as a result of this lack of communication to me. My dismissal directly followed my criticism of this behaviour and recommendation that someone else act as chair.

"These criticisms were seen as highly counterproductive, an attempt to erode public confidence in the convention, and evaporated a great deal of goodwill towards him."

This criticism was considered a gesture of goodwill towards the success of the convention, and to prove my value to the success of the convention.

My predictions of wasted and mismanaged space, time, and resources proved to be correct durring the course of the convention. Had my recomendations been acted on, the convention, and it's members, in spite of my removal, would have saved a considerable amount of money. Instead, the recomendations were met with contempt and derision from the convention's remaining organizers.

The wholesale rejection of these recommendations, to me, showed that the success of the convention and service to the community was secondary to the organizers recieving personal recognition for their efforts.

Following the convention, I made public my complaint of unprofessional behaviour and personal prejudice towards me from staff both directly and through convention security after it was dismissed by co-chair, Pakesh De, as personal issues between me and the staff members and not the responsibility of the convention. Something I considered extremely irresponsible and unprofessional.

"It should be noted that I can not attest for any previous research towards the convention Dan may have accomplished."

That research was provided in the initial public discussions for the convention, and in information submitted to the committee after it was formed.

My original desire for contributing to this article was to add the details of Ontario Furries as the location of the forum discussions mentioned and Dan Skunk as the initiator of these discussions. I was, and continue to be the owner of Ontario Furries and it was in this capacity that I created this sub forum after making research into the feasibility of the project. I believe names of contributors and locations where discussions took place to be relevant to an article on the history of the convention. It is obvious that these discussions took place *somewhere* and were started by *someone*. The original organizing committee that created Furnal Equinox was formed through discussion on the Ontario Furries forum through a series of nominations and public voting presented on the forum

If there is contention to these facts, then I assert that this contention then is a relevant part of the history of the convention and that all sides of the contention deserve equal opportunity to present their claims so long as it is made known that these are claims and who is making the claims.

"Personally, I can honestly say that we would rather not see the section there, because it brings forth conflict that, from our evaluation, people would rather just avoid. Moreover, its presence undermines the credibility of both parties."

Wikifur is an encyclopedia which means it should contain factual information presented from a neutral point of view. I believe this means that if there is a dispute over facts, the nature of the dispute should be described in a way that does not attempt to promote either side of the dispute; Wikifurs's purpose is not to promote the credibility of individuals and organizations but inform the fandom of the facts related to them. Facts should not be deliberately omitted to improve the public image of individuals and groups.

In this spirit, I suggest Scani contribute to the proposed section to elaborate on Furnal Equinox's position on the disputed facts unless consensus can be agreed upon.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 05:39, 19 July 2010

:''Quorum was not present at that meeting, making the decisions against the articles of incorporation.''
:The assertion that the vote was invalid due to lack of quorum (i.e. a majority of members of the body) is incorrect. While the events in question took place a year ago and are slightly hazy on my part, at the absolute MINIMUM the remaining four directors and/or officers of the convention were present at the time to vote on the matter (which pertained to Dan's removal from concom, as well as from any further staff role with FE. To my recollection, at least five votes were cast; this would be a majority of the concom which consisted of nine members at the time. Moreover, in Ontario, a decision to amend governance would be governed by the corporation's bylaws, not the articles of incorporation. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::There were 8 committee members at the time. Quorum was decided to be 5 so that there would be a majority. Since there were only 4, then quorum was not reached.

::There could not be 5 votes with only 4 members present.

::I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.

::I was never made aware of the existence of corporate bi-laws while a director of the corporation.

::I was present for an earlier meeting where it was decided by majority vote that quorum would be 5 to constitute a majority of the 8 members.

::These are only some examples of the unprofessional conduct of members of the committee. While I was a registered director of the corporation, my inquiries into the financial and corporate activities of the corporation were deliberately ignored and I was not informed of decisions being made that affected business of the corporation. My criticism of decisions behind made was strongly discouraged by the chairman ordering me to stop, by insults from committee and staff members, and by being ignored. I was informed by Blindsight that he was asserting his dominance and that I would need to change my behaviour if I wanted to be in the loop.

::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 00:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:::First of all - I said there were certainly at LEAST four votes, and recall specifically that there were at least five (considering Pak and I recall that Shiro was also present at the meeting). As Shane served in a secretarial role for concom meetings at the time, he would have the record thereof, but I am nonetheless confident that the decision represented the desires of the organization of a whole. While I can understand it being controversial if there had been dissent at the meeting, there was none. This is in line with the purpose of quorum from a moral standpoint (if not a legalistic one) where an unduly small number of people on a governing body do not control the decisions thereof.
:::''I was never made aware of the articles of incorporation or that they were on the application for incorporation.''
:::Your signature was required on the application document, and as far as I know, was obtained at a meeting in early June 2009. Presumably, you would have had the opportunity to review the completed application, which included first directors and "objects of the corporation" at any time while the application was in front of you.
:::I can not speak for these so-called "insults" from concom, but as far as I'm concerned, I did my best to interact with you in good faith, and despite my initial reservations re: your presence, you had every opportunity from me to demonstrate value to us - and I truly believed that because of the quantity of your social network you could be an asset to our operations. Obviously, this did not prove to be the case, and the concom's decision reflected that after several months of working with you.
:::The point I'm trying to make in all of this really has to come down to the group dynamics that worked themselves out. When we first came together, and one of the concerns was coherency. Bringing people together is one thing, but to actually develop some common goals and common purpose is another altogether. A group of people in the same room does not necessarily equal a team. And... regardless of how much work you DID accomplish in the leadup to this, it's another thing to work together, and that impression in your case just wasn't there. People weren't here to just follow your lead. Had you remained present, a lot more friction would have developed, and probably would have had a negative impact on the convention's success. As it turned out... there was a lot of friction anyway. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 12:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

::::It was my oversight for not reading through the entire application. We seemed in a hurry to get it done so I just trusted I was already told what was in it.

::::We had a common goal. That was not an issue.

::::I never expected people to follow my lead or anyone else's lead. I expected them to work together as equals. That requires that people communicate their ideas with each other, accept criticism with each other, and make decisions together as a group. Some where not willing to do that, and that's what caused problems.

::::Regardless, my contributions should not be deleted from this article.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Additional Info: I was a helper to Blindsight at the time and was at the meetings as secreatary and I can attest, after discussions about why to remove Danskunk, the good and bad things he has done for the convention. He was voted out, with Quaorum with a unanimous vote to remove him from the con period.

I may even still have the records as they were transcribed and sent to the list and FE forums that we have of our own.

If Danskunk demands all facts and things should be allowed, then he should freely allow all the "facts" about himself on his wikifur page that pertain to the community and fandom.

Danskunks "Research" was checked out by me and took less then 5 minutes with a quick "wikifur" search, where all his information and research was from.
-Shane Nicholson(WolfMist)

:I accept all facts to be included in this article; any facts that are in dispute should be clearly described as so.

:My research took place over many months of travelling to Toronto to look at possible venues, through discussions with members of the community interested in helping, interviews with people who were directors at other successful conventions, some of it was collected from wikifur, but it was also re-organized to better serve our needs. I also brought observations from many years of attending conventions.

:Shane was not involved in this reasearch.

:--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

It's quite evident that we're not going to reach a consensus on this. Could we start working on editing the proposed section to include what information we all want to provide there?

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

:Primarily speaking, the parties involved here are FE and you. I'd honestly be more comfortable seeking the opinions of neutral parties if possible, to objectively assess what the value of what you're proposing is - as neither of us will be able to do that. Will this controversy, namely, be important five years down the line?
:Re: the section that was recently added listing 'founding members' - a few of the names asked to withdraw their involvement quite early, and they may object to their appearance here in this article. The list also fails to acknowledge individuals that came on board after founding whose contribution nonetheless played an instrumental role in the convention's success... and I honestly feel they should not be trivialized (people like Morgan, Arrowroot, etc.)
:So I'm not sure if the section as it currently stands is appropriate, but if others say it should, alphabetical would be more appropriate. Perhaps the information is better classified elsewhere, but I'll comment more on that tomorrow. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 03:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I've made it alphabetical. I didn't know about later joining members. Perhaps we should keep the current list, though rewrite the lead-in to say original founding members and then have a separate sentence listing those that joined in after the fact? They should certainly be recognized.

::And if any of the people listed do not wish their name to be associated with Furnal Equinox, then they just have to speak with Greenreaper and he will take them off and make sure they stay off of the list. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::My suggestion would be that if needed, the relevant information be placed in a 'current' and 'former' section in the article (perhaps as a two-column table) - or at least other titles that represent those who are still working on the convention and those who have moved on to other projects. There should be no particular stigma associated with the latter. Also, ref. proposed changes below (you can always refer back to previous edits for previous versions) --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 11:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't believe a current and former section is necessary. There is already an origins section there which is appropriate to list the original organizers in, describe their contributions, and when and why they left.

::::I sincerly appreciate you acknowledging that the discussions began on Ontario Furries, Scani. If there is consensus on that fact, then I believe it can stand in the origins section where I originally placed it as it is most relevant to that topic. I would also like it stated that I started the conversation there. Another contributer has been contesting both though so it may only be able to stand as a contested fact, but it can be stated the we both support it.

::::I don't believe a description of my removal should be in an Ontario Furries section as it is not relevant to Ontario Furries, but to myself only. My criticism should also not be included there as it was my personal opinion--not that of Ontario Furries.

::::I think we could put it the description of my and Ontario Furries's involvement in the origins section as it is most relevant there. I don't believe either are important enough to warrant their own headlines.

::::I disagree with saying there was a lack of shared direction, as there was a shared direction: producing a convention, a goal which all parties made contributions critical to it's success. The only disagrement was over details of how to accomplish those goals and responsibilities of individual members. I may wish to describe what those were.

::::I also disagree with saying there was a conflict between me and the rest of the concom because that was not true. I had disagreements with only half of the concom. I'd also like it stated that everyone that supported my inclusion was also removed.

::::I'd like to add my own perception of my criticism's as I saw them quite differently.

::::I contest that there was no warning, as I made repeated requests of FE to change their behaviour and would like to add my own assesment of why they were removed.

::::I'll get to adding my revisions later.

::::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 13:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Scani, as long as there is someone that feels the information to be valuable, there is no reason it can not be included. Other parties are free to contribute their knowledge to the article as well, as this is a colaborative effort but no one should be censoring other people's contributions based on their assesment of how valuable they are. Readers should be given the opportunity to have as much information as possible and decide for themselves what is or is not valuable to them.

:::Whether or not someone wishes to be included in the article or not is irrelevant. Deliberately presenting false information, or omitting information for the purpose of manipulating public opinion for any reason is dishonest and against the spirit of wikifur as being a place to present factual information from a neutral perspective.

:::Making the list alphabetical sounds good to me. Thank you.

:::If someone does not want to be associated with Furnal Equinox, it should be added to the article that they do not wish to be associated with it, thusly satisfying their desire for disassociating without sacrificing the integrity of facts. However, I think stating that they resigned, should be enough to indicate their lack of support.

:::--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Relationship with Ontario Furries (proposed) ==

Discussion for what became Furnal Equinox originally took place on the [[Ontario Furries]] forum, operated by [[Dan Skunk]]. Though Dan was originally involved in planning discussions, he was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 due to lack of shared direction and conflicts between him and the remainder of concom.

Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation. Dan has claimed that his removal was unjustified, and that he has been subjected to negative treatment and insults by other staff members. Both claims are disputed by the other party.

The relationship between members of Furnal Equinox's convention committee and Dan has remained strained, culminating in the removal of Furnal Equinox's subforum and the banning of a number of committee members without warning in April 2010. Currently, Furnal Equinox and Ontario Furries have no formal connections.

Propose addtions to Origins instead of Relationship with Ontario Furries section.

I've been researching more details, so much of the Ontario Furries discussion is redundant.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 12:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origins ==

[[Dan Skunk]] was removed from the Furnal Equinox organizing committee and board of directors in July 2009 over disagreements with some of the other committee members. [[M-So]] and [[Danruk]] were also removed on this date.

:[[Dan Skunk]] contests the decision as quorum was not present at this meeting and none of the people removed were given an opportunity to be present to defend themselves. He claims the dismissals were politically motivated because he expressed a lack of confidence in [[Pakesh De]] chairship immediately prior to being removed and that the others removed were friends of his.

:[[Scani]] claims [[Dan Skunk]] was removed over conflicts with other members of the concom and a lack of shared direction and that the decision represented the desires of the organization as a whole.

==Relationship with Ontario Furries==

[[Furnal Equinox]], along with members of the concom, [[Pakesh De]], [[Blindsight]], [[Shane]], [[Chris]] were banned from discussions on [[Ontario Furries]] in April 2010 for repeated insulting and defamitory comments.
:[[Scani]] claims it was without warning.
:Many of Furnal Equinox's concom members have taken the stance that Dan's publicly posted and unsolicited criticisms since his removal have been disproportionately critical of the con and its staff, and negatively affected its reputation.

==Request for Intervention==

This situation has become absolutely ridiculous, and I'm not satisfied with it whatsoever. The changes made by Dan to the article over the past couple of years have resulted in a significant decrease in quality in the article, not to mention a significant shift away from a neutral point of view. The changes that were made can only be described as "self-aggrandizing" and disproportionate to the remainder of the article.

Is it possible for both parties to lay off editing and that another party come in to perhaps arbitrate this issue? This is the continued manifestation of a conflict between Dan and Furnal Equinox - and I really don't feel it's fair for Dan to continue to edit the article unilaterally and play up his importance (just as it wouldn't be fair for us to do likewise). --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:I haven't been following this situation that closely but I will offer a couple of observations:
:#If someone is posting information they claim to be true and others dispute it, then one side or the other needs to provide references to back up their claims. If neither side is able to do so, then it reverts to the level of hearsay, and we have to settle for something like "So-and-so claims X but others have disputed this." Also note that any allegedly deleted websites may in fact be preserved at sites such as [http://www.archive.org/web/web.php The Internet Wayback Machine] and those are generally as reliable as the original sites if the material still exists there.
:#We don't need a detailed play-by-play of who said what and what happened when. The only people who care about that level of detail are the handful of people who were directly involved. A summary description is good enough for the other 99% of us, and that's all we need on Wikifur. And it's quite possible that a summary description can be written in a manner that much of the content under dispute doesn't even matter at that level of detail. Try to imagine how you'd summarize something that happened a few years ago, then do it that way.
:I hope this helps. Oh, and here in the talk page, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think a few notible points in the development and who was responsible for them is reasonable.

::If someone thinks they're important, and they're factual and referenced, there's no reason for them not to be included.

::It's a fair look at who contributed what in the lead up to the event. If someone happens to have made a lot of contributions, they'll of course be mentioned more. I any case, it's unfair and misleading to remove all reference to someone who made contributions.

::Arbitration is unnecessary, you have the opportunity to add anything that was left out.

::Please refrain from personal attacks, Scani. If you have something to contest, it can be removed as a fact.

::--Dan Skunk 22:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::That's more than a few notable points. If you were viewing the article about some other convention that's been running for several years, would you really care to see that level of detail about how it got started, to the level of quotations from the parties involved, assuming you were at most only casually acquainted online with any of the people involved? Most people wouldn't, and I don't think most people do here either. It could be argued that it should be preserved for those with enough historical interest to care, but the main article about the convention here on Wikifur is not the place to do it. (On an unrelated style note, only the first occurrence of each person mentioned in the article should be wikilinked.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 22:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

::::I think it would be fine without the quotes, and just a few notes.

::::The name of the forum mentioned and who started the discussion does not seem to be too much to include, as it only adds five words. That's what I find most important and relevant as the section is about origins and that describes where the organization originated, and who it originated from.

::::That was contested and removed, so I did some research and found a reference to it, hence the quote and link backing it up. I could replace the quote with a footnote of where the reference is located.

::::While doing research to find that reference, I found who found the venue and who found the date. Those are at least as notible as who thought of the name, so if originator of the name is included, I think that of the venue and date should be as well.

::::I thought it was interesting to watch how the idea of the convention was developed from another event, and thought that would be interesting to show. I could be included in a seperate page though describing a timeline for those so interested to view it without hindering the conciseness of the main article. I could also do that without offering all the quotes, but rather references to them.

::::Linking only the first occurance seems reasonable as it makes the article easier to read. I don't understand signing posts with 4 tildes. What does that do? My appologies for being new to wikifur. I had stuff to contribute, especially to my own article, and am learning how to work with people here as I go. Thank you for the help.

::::--Dan Skunk 23:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::I apologize for my brusqueness earlier - this process has been tremendously frustrating. From my own personal opinion, the edits which added comments such as "Dan Skunk... made the first visit", "Dan Skunk created a board..." and "Dan Skunk promoted having the convention..." in rapid succession, especially considering the edits were made by Dan, did come across in a very self-promotional manner and rubbed me the wrong way. A significant number of Dan's edits since this issue have had something to do with attributing foundation to Furnal Equinox to Dan and his website, Ontario Furries.
:::::I perceive the basic issue at hand to be "how much credit should be given to Dan Skunk for the establishment of Furnal Equinox in this article". This is also not a fight about "contesting" material; the ideal solution would be an article that is acceptable to both parties, and... well, the unsolicited edits to the page certainly breached my understanding that was something that could be worked towards. Not only one that is based in fact but one that is fair, neutral, and NOT an attempt to dig up dirt. I left a message asking for arbitration because it did not seem possible to do this.
:::::The question, too, is what proportion of recognition is appropriate. A project such as running a convention is collective, not individual. There are a lot of people who saw this work to completion, and I don't think it's appropriate to throw them in the background so that one person can come forth unilaterally and say "I did this and this." Moreover, who's to say there weren't people who looked into the feasibility of a furry convention in Toronto prior to this? (Yes, I know, citation needed.)
:::::My proposal remains a list of current and former people involved in a concom role in the current 'Staff' section, as well as an acknowledgement that initial discussion took place on Ontario Furries. (Honestly, given an opportunity, I'd like to turn back the clock to 19 May but realize that's not likely.)
:::::For the record, signing a message with four tildes will post your current username (or IP address if you are not logged in), as well as the current date and time. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 04:30, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Thank you, Scani. I appreciate the appology and forgive that.

::::::I can certainly understand how the edits I made would seem self promotional, especially comming from myself. That's why I was trying to include other names in it as well. I was hoping if someone had something they though should be mentioned about them, that they should add it as well, resolving more of the one sidedness.

::::::Unfortunately, if we are to be honest and neutral, I did contribute a lot of essential information and resources to the convention. To minimize those contributions would be not be honest and neutral.

::::::Scani's proposal.

::::::I think only adding that the discussion took place on Ontairo Furries would be deminishing my contribution. The discussions took place on Ontario Furries, but as is show from the email referenced, those discussions were started by me only after I had gathered the financial resources needed to start the convention.

::::::A more accurate description would be, "After gathering the needed financial resources to start a convention, Dan Skunk, started a discussion on Ontario Furries inviting others to become involved with the project." That will remove the incorrect information that the financial resources were brought together though those discussions. It also shows who initiated the process.

::::::You've mentioned who thought of the name, but if there's anyone, at all, that should be mentioned, it's the person that came up with the idea to start seriously working on the project.

::::::There were others that looked into running a convention Toronto that year. I started looking at venues following the first Islington Furmeet on June 14, 2008. Pyhrra did so as well but he concluded it was not a good time to start one based on economic conditions. M-So did asked me to help him look at venues on November 19, 2008.

::::::M-So and I concluded it was feasible and that we would work together on it.

::::::He should probably be mentioned as founding it as well.

::::::I would certainly prefer to come to a consensus on what to include in the article. But giving my experience with this article, I'm not certain that's possible. You've very diplomatic and professional about things, but you and me are not the only people interested in the article.

::::::We can't turn back time, but we could certainly repair mistakes. If it's something about me, I'm very forgiving. You just need to appologize and undo whatever was wrong.

::::::If it were up to me, I'd have turned back time to December 3, 2008, and not made a post inviting people to help with the convention untill *after* creating an npo and contracting the hotel--thusly completely avoiding this whole controversy and a lot of frustration and heartache to a lot of people.

::::::Thanks for letting me know what the tildes do.

::::::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 18:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Greetings to this thread which is currently growing to become a small editorial if not soon a book with special guest stars.

The current issue is credit where credit is due. Dan claims to have been *the* original creator of the con based on his board, gathering of folks, and even finding a backer. All said and done, but the *idea* which is being missed is the real idea was well over a decade ago when folks like me, benjamin, deuce, hiker, and many other old furs of the fandom groused about a con local to Toronto which then grew to become as we all know as Feral.

Now Dan was there at the start, had done some work, and did indeed find some folks that got together to make a functional convention yes. However personal issues much less other incidents which need not , or should not, need to be bandied about made such a arrangement intolerable and sadly it was a case of *my way or the highway* and the concom voted to remove what was perceived as the greatest trouble with the least amount of gutting of the con. Now and since then the level of anger from said removed party has led to folks in large numbers banned from his board while he continues to attack the con without any feedback from us as being some of the banned folks in question to simply and repeatedly asking to have issues reopened that were voted closed.

That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process. The issue is if this is all being done to simply add credit where credit is due then simply what is being told as * dan, danruk, sparrow* were at the start but were voted out after issued arouse should.. note *should* be enough for most folks. Apparently this is NOT the case and thus after many attempts personally to resolve the issue and being rebuffed I had to delegate any talks about Dan to the PR head Scani. I am only posting now after seeing this topic refuses to fall back into a common thread of acceptance with repeated rebuttals of any and all information we can provide. I wish to stay civil and not fall for the supposed * slander* attempts,and btw, slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around. I accept giving dan, danruk, and sparrow credit for being at the start and getting a few things going certainly. Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn.

IF this is all that is needed, i will ask that any and *all* talk of the convention is simply kept on topic and in more terms of * yes and we thank you but we had to let you go* as in terms of a employee being let go from the company rather then the slant that is being pushed out as if we all sat around in some plotting basement to overthrow folks and thus hijack the whole convention our-self. That is why we voted in concom to have a legal amount, plus the other staff that was around, voted, and revoted just to make sure the vote was open. I have told Dan this, others have told Dan this, and it refuses to simply sink in. The con did not, was not, and with all the bad blood, will not, have anything to do with Dan period. Note this can change if the lopsidedness does stop but alas many have tried and failed to get the point through.

I thank everyone for adding to the topic and folks for trying to make one side see the light. I wish to thank wikifur for letting us post the con and will hope they will be happy to have us stay. I wish to thank Scani for being PR and dealing with this topic with skill, grace, and civility. I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair.

Gaia bless and sorry for such a long winded reply.

Pakesh_De

ChairCritter for Furnal Equinox

:I never claimed to be the first person to think of having a convention in Toronto. I even cited other people speaking of it before me to show that. It wasn't however, untill I gathered financial support and sought others to be involved that it came to fruition.

:That fact should be included.

:"my way or the highway"

:I never once made any such demand. Please stop accusing me of it if you can't provide any evidence to support it.

:"That is fair, and all part of being a open and democratic process."

:That's what I actually asked for, and it was asked for, not demanded.

:"...slander is a very easy word to misuse and with the stuff being posted on your own board dan by yourself that others are reporting to us, one should be *very* careful when tossing that word around."

:I can support what I said there with citations. I'll do that as soon as I can for you.

:"Claiming basically * if it was not for me NONE of this would have happened* is taking credit well into the realm of tooting ones own horn."

:I never made that claim either.

:I claimed to have got financial support together and started a discussion on Ontario Furries and supported that claim with a citation that showed nothing more than that.

:If you wish to be fair, as you claim to be, then you should not have a problem with that being included.

:" I wish to thank dan for continuing to claim credit well after the fact, and as is his right, can and will be mentioned as * a founding member* if so wanted, and IF as mentioned earlier, any and all unwarranted comments, attacks, and shenanigans on his side of the boards will cease and desist. one can hardly ask to be listened to and have demands of any sort treated fairly if only one side is playing the game above board..or one hopes it should be both sides playing fair."

:I'm pretty sure wikifur articles were not meant to be used as extortion to silence unwanted criticism from other web sites.

:People saying what you want them to on other web sites should not be a condition of whether something is contested or not.

:Please stop taking my words and infering things from them I never said or meant and making accusations you can't support.

:This is why we have trouble speaking with each other, and why I strongly suggested someone else act as chairman before being fired from FE. If someone like Scani, who as we both agree, has the ability to speak with skill, grace, and civility, were chairman, relations between FE, Ontario Furries and I would probably have never degraded in the first place.

:The first time I banned FE from Ontario Furries, your discussion with me had me wanting to make it permanent. It was Scani's respectful and professional manner and his willingness to take responsibility for problems and solve them that convinced me to give you a second chance. It's unfortunate he isn't able speak for the rest FE.

:[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

::Okay, I'm going to weigh in my opinions. As an outside party, I feel it might be worth it.
::As I can see, OntarioFurries has been mentioned in the description of the convention. Should every mention of it be scrubbed? No. Should they all stay? No. This is why OF has a stub of its own. If references to the involvement need to be said, put them there.
::Dan is mentioned on the page as it is. Please see the above comment regarding OF - All of the same opinions apply.
::The page for Furnal Equinox is to give people interested in finding out about it more information about the event. You need only cite a reference and people can choose to go look for themselves. This is the whole reason citations exist.
::As for the editing war going on: give it a rest folks. The page is good. it has the info. Leave it be for a while. Nothing will be added continuing to say that things are in contention.
::To sum it up one last time: rest the topic and move on. Please? Either leave the article info to the people currently involved with the event, or to outside neutral third parties. Wikifur is not the place for personal grievances. (IMHO, no public forum is)
::[[User:Felinaeus|Feli]] 21:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Actually, Ontario Furries was removed as a reference.

:::Other people have been named with a description of their contribution. It's only fair that mine be as well.

:::I did cite a reference, and it was removed as well.

:::Not continuing to remove facts that are not in contention and supported by citation should resolve the debate.

:::People who are currently involved in the event should not control what is said about past members.

:::No, it's not a place for personal grievances, but it should be a place for facts.

:::I was just trying add my involvement in the fandom to the appropriate articles. Only FE keeps trying to remove parts of it.

:::[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 03:31, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

==Meeting Notes==

Who just went in and edited the original committee list? That was not the original committee at all. I went to actually meetings with them and have notes from them.

[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 04:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:Both you and the other user have states to have copies of the meeting notes that verifies their own argument. However, neither of you have produced visible evidence of these notes as proof for your argument. Could both of you please upload them so that we can view them? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Wolfmist

2010-07-28T04:10:05Z

Silver seren: /* Furnal Equinox Meeting Notes */ new section

Talk:Dan Skunk

2010-07-28T04:08:08Z

Silver seren: /* Recent edits */

==Recent edits==
I agree with removing unsourced derogatory information. However, some of the this person's concrete actions might be worth mentioning (both the positive and the negative). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I looked at the article about me here and found some innacuracies about the origin of Ontario Furries and things missing from the section describing my involvement in the fandom and decided to correct the inaccuracies and list things I was involved in.

A lot of the source information was removed in 2009 as I removed the Toronto Furry Convention forum from Ontario Furries when it fell into dissuse and hadn't yet created a system to archive deleted posts.

There are a number of people that can corroborate my claim of starting Furnal Equinox, but it will be difficult to present anything that will not be contested by Furnal Equinox. -- Dan Skunk

The fact that the people of FE, contest anything you say about the con, should be more tne enough for the admins of this site, considering we are the concom and founders. And in fact can find many many more people to collaberate these facts. You have done nothing since you were voted out, by ause trouble for the con and continue to bash it and try to tear it down and give it a bad name, even after the first year when we graciously gave you a small amount of credit for being a part of the convention at the start, like the other people who were there, but left, were removed or never showed up.

Then you came to the convention on the last day, then started to make problems again for the convention and continue to bother us, asking for reperations and banning the entire concom and founders from your forums.

Your name even being associated with the convention, brings negativitay and doubt to people who want to attend next year, we had a long battle for the first con to assure people you were not involved and we refuse to be constantly bothered by you and your delusions. Please stop this nonsense and let things be alone. - Shane Nicholson(Wolfmist)

I complied with Greenreaper's request that I, "either provide references for the contested statement, or convert it into an uncontested fact about your [my] own belief or statements." If you wish it known that you don't want me associated with Furnal Equinox, please add that to the article, but do not delete facts about my beliefs because you personally disagree with them.

Please do not make personal attacks here such as saying I'm delusional or that my actions are nonsense. This type of behaviour is why you were removed from Ontario Furries. I've offered to allow you to return if you assure me it will stop.

--[[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk]] 01:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you think Dan, we know the truth about this matter, we being the entire founders and comittee of the con. Stop posting these false things about yourself, it's made clear why we don't want you even trying to associate yourself with FE, your a bad name in the local group and a bad name in the "convention" circuit. Having you associated in any way, is putting a bullet in a coventions head.

I don't care about your reasons to remove from OF, you did that cause we told you what we thought of you and the things you said about the con, including the constant harassment, insults and putting down of the con, even going so far as to make a troll account on your own forums to troll the convention, I do have proof that it was you and so don't bother denying it, leave your person crap and attacks and badness of the con, you removed us from OF, we want nothing to do with you or your name, so decist posting the fallacy you put here about you and FE. - Shane.
:Because the words "claimed" are used in the statements, they are thus shown to be the opinion of Dan Skunk and are thus allowed in the article about him. There is already a sentence that says that his claims are contested by founding members of the committee, so the information is already neutral in how it is treated. Please do not remove it. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Dan Skunk

2010-07-28T04:06:46Z

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'''Dan Skunk''' (born May 22, 1974)<ref name="DanSkunkLJP">[http://danskunk.livejournal.com/profile Dan Skunk's profile] on [[LiveJournal]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> is a [[furry]] who lives in [[Wikipedia:Oshawa|Oshawa]], Ontario, Canada.<ref name="DanSkunkLJP"/> Dan Skunk's hobbies include writing poetry.

Dan was a furry from a very young age. Since the age of three, he would daydream about being a [[Skunk (species)|skunk]], and often felt different or wanted to be something else.<ref>[http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk's biography] on [[FurNation]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> He discovered [[furry fandom]] on Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 10:21 PM, when he watched ''[[Animal Imitators]]'' on TLC and discovered there were others with similar feelings to himself.

== Fandom involvement ==

Dan Skunk is active within the [[Toronto Furry]] group {{fact}}.

The original [[Toronto-furry]] website, which ran was 1998 to late 2005, was reopened by Dan on [[FurNation]] in May, 2006 and grew from 32 members to 400 before it was renamed to [[Ontario Furries]] in 2008. As of July 2010, it had over 1000 members, making it the most popular Canadian furry site.

Dan Skunk created the first chat room for Toronto furs, [[#torfur]] in 2005 as well, then [[#toronto-furry]] in 2006, and [[#OntarioFurries]] in 2008, all on [[FurNet]].

Dan Skunk was a volunteer at [[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest Furfest]] in 2007, becoming staff from 2008 to present.

Dan Skunk was co-founder and organizer of the Toronto Furry Spaghetti Factory Dinner from 2007 to 2009, Co-Founder of the [[Islington Furmeet]] in 2008. Founding member of the [[Furnal Equinox]] organizing committee.

Dan Skunk claims to have founded [[Furnal Equinox]] because he claims to have been doing research for a possible convention in Toronto, Ontario in the summer of 2008 and then in late 2008 creating a message board on [[Ontario Furries]] for members of the Ontario furry community to discuss the convention and making a post inviting people to to organize and staff it and that this project eventually became known as [[Furnal Equinox]].

This claim is contested by members of [[Furnal Equinox]]'s organizing committee.

==References==
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==External links==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[FurNation]]
* [http://danskunk.livejournal.com/ Dan Skunk] on [[LiveJournal]]

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Dan Skunk

2010-07-28T04:06:07Z

Silver seren: Because "claimed" is used in the information, it is allowed because it is now an opinion.

'''Dan Skunk''' (born May 22, 1974)<ref name="DanSkunkLJP">[http://danskunk.livejournal.com/profile Dan Skunk's profile] on [[LiveJournal]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> is a [[furry]] who lives in [[Wikipedia:Oshawa|Oshawa]], Ontario, Canada.<ref name="DanSkunkLJP"/> Dan Skunk's hobbies include writing poetry.

Dan was a furry from a very young age. Since the age of three, he would daydream about being a [[Skunk (species)|skunk]], and often felt different or wanted to be something else.<ref>[http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk's biography] on [[FurNation]]. Retrieved May 15, 2008</ref> He discovered [[furry fandom]] on Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 10:21 PM, when he watched ''[[Animal Imitators]]'' on TLC and discovered there were others with similar feelings to himself.

== Fandom involvement ==

Dan Skunk is active within the [[Toronto Furry]] group {{fact}}.

The original [[Toronto-furry]] website, which ran was 1998 to late 2005, was reopened by Dan on [[FurNation]] in May, 2006 and grew from 32 members to 400 before it was renamed to [[Ontario Furries]] in 2008. As of July 2010, it had over 1000 members, making it the most popular Canadian furry site.

Dan Skunk created the first chat room for Toronto furs, [[#torfur]] in 2005 as well, then [[#toronto-furry]] in 2006, and [[#OntarioFurries]] in 2008, all on [[FurNet]].

Dan Skunk was a volunteer at [[Anthrocon]] and [[Midwest Furfest]] in 2007, becoming staff from 2008 to present.

Dan Skunk was co-founder and organizer of the Toronto Furry Spaghetti Factory Dinner from 2007 to 2009, Co-Founder of the [[Islington Furmeet]] in 2008. Founding member of the [[Furnal Equinox]] organizing committee.

[[Dan Skunk]] claims to have founded [[Furnal Equinox]] because he claims to have been doing research for a possible convention in Toronto, Ontario in the summer of 2008 and then in late 2008 creating a message board on [[Ontario Furries]] for members of the Ontario furry community to discuss the convention and making a post inviting people to to organize and staff it and that this project eventually became known as [[Furnal Equinox]].

This claim is contested by members of [[Furnal Equinox]]'s organizing committee.

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [http://www.furnation.com/danskunk/ Dan Skunk] on [[FurNation]]
* [http://danskunk.livejournal.com/ Dan Skunk] on [[LiveJournal]]

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Wintershade MUCK

2010-07-28T04:03:32Z

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'''Wintershade MUCK''' was a [[furry]], multi-themed [[MUCK]] that operated in late 2009 and early 2010, but has since closed.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://wintershade.net:2003 wintershade.net, port 2003]
** '''Website''': http://wintershade.proboards.com/
* '''Ran from/to''': 2009-2010

== Theme ==
{{advert}}
Once upon a time, there was a caring monarch amongst the ruling class who had the best interests of the people in his kingdom at heart.

These are not those times.

Nearly a decade ago, many members of the noble houses had grown tired of their king's interference in how they ran their estates. Though he did not require from them the exorbitant taxes of his forefathers, King Aidan responded promptly to pleas from the peasant classes based on their inability to pay the taxes their own lord required. While this made him very popular among the lower classes, it also made him some very strong enemies.

It did not surprise anyone when Aidan was assassinated, but the results could not have surprised more people. The assassin and the nobles alike were surprised when the loyalty of the guards extended past the time when they no longer had an employer to put food on their tables. While many of the guards and soldiers did abandon the royal estate to be snatched up by the next highest bidder, many stayed to defend the remnants of the royal family.

During the months of warfare that followed, tension grew between the noble families that had orchestrated the initial attack. By the time the last remaining members and staff of the royal house had been killed or driven into hiding, there could be no hope of reconciliation between the members of the houses, and therefore no peace. What had only a year previous been a relatively content and prosperous land became ravaged by civil war. When noble houses vying for the top position within the kingdom stretched their fighters too thin, farmers and cobblers eager to not have their families singled out for the next attack were conscripted into the fighting force, resulting in shortages of all goods, and even now, many years later, there is no end in sight.

== [[Wizard]]s ==
* Cylari - Head Wizard/Theme/Problems
* Serra - Character Validation/Advertising

== External links ==
* [http://www.mudconnect.com/mud-bin/simple_search.cgi?Mode=MUD&mud=Wintershade+MUCK Wintershade MUCK] on The Mud Connector
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/wintershade.html Wintershade MUCK] on [[Rhal's Furry MU*s Page]]

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Hikaru Wolf

2010-07-27T19:45:12Z

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'''Nick Benvenuto''' is a New York fursuiter, his current character is "''Jackson''" the wolf. He is in the process of making a border collie called "''Akio''". He has been fursuiting for a while now. He records shows on [http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hikaruwolf his Ustream]every once in a while.

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Hybrid

2010-07-26T18:22:32Z

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:''This article is about the species term. For the person of this name, see [[Hybrid Wuff]].''

A '''hybrid''' is the offspring of [[mate|mating]] two different [[species]], or two different breeds of the same species.

== Hybrids and furry ==

In the case of [[furry]] [[characters]], a hybrid is frequently a cross of two largely or entirely unrelated species that cannot interbreed in real life, such as [[fox]] and [[wolf]] (commonly called a [[folf]]) or a [[tiger]] and [[Skunk (species)|skunk]]. The latter was popularized among furries by [[Max Black Rabbit]]'s popular character, [[Zig Zag]].

Feasible hybrids that are found amongst the [[furry fandom|fandom]] include the [[liger]] and [[tigon]]. While most hybrid characters tend to be [[mammal]]-mammal hybrids, there are a few cases which consist of a mix of species of two different [[Wikipedia:Scientific classification|classes]], this kind being most often a [[reptile]]-mammal.

==See also==

* [[:Category:Hybrid characters|Hybrid characters]]
* [[:Category:Hybrid species|Hybrid species]]
* [[wikipedia:Liminal being|Liminal being]]

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Talk:Centaur

2010-07-26T06:13:37Z

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== Centaurs, Mermaid, Yetis, Vampires, Minos,.... ==

Same article was deleted prior as not being furry. [[Taur]] would be a more furry relevant article, as it is common within furry lore. A centaur is just an hominid just tackled to the body of a species of animal, not anthropomorphic in any way. '''Taurs''' buckle this theory by furries with a quadruped lower body, normally of the same species - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
: It's probably the activity in ru-WikiFur which drew your attention to these articles %) Ru-WikiFur rules seem more accepting, but still, I'll try to defend this article. First of all, human torso on a horse body, wow, there must be a significant furry interest! I can't say for everyone, but I would play a centaur any day (in traditional tabletop RPGs, to clear the matter). They are powerful, noble, live in herds - they're horsey, even though their faces are humey. The faces, now, it depends on the world. [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/b/bc/Centaur.png WoW Centaurs] are mostly human, [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3426/3379906731_0469c74ec3.jpg Disney centaur] is monstrous, [http://www.comicvine.com/advanced-dungeons-dragons-the-bounty-seekers-of-manshaka/37-30722/ AD&D comics centaur] has horse ears and fur. There are Uchchaihshravi [[were]]s in new [[World of Darkness]] who change from human to horse and centaur, and a similar horse/centaur changer in [[D&D]]/d20 somewhere. Another human/centaur/horse [[transformation]] I recall from [http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=939:lois-turns-into-a-centaur&catid=29:confounding-comic-covers-index&Itemid=32 Silver Age "Lois Lane" comics], not that it's very significant reference %) Still, I remembered it ''because'' I was interested in animals and anthropomorphs. I even read that comic. Centaur fae are available with [[Beast Seeming]] in "Changeling: the Lost" RPG, along with other furries and animal-like mythics.
: The thing is, centaurs and "true" anthropomorphs go alongside. Are centaurs furry? Debatable as the definition of furry itself. Is article appropriate? I think it is. Should it be expanded? Surely, as most of wiki articles are. In ru-WikiFur, I plan to expand in significantly with the info above and more. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 12:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

::"''It's probably the activity in ru-WikiFur which drew your attention to these articles''" No, it was was actually the past discussion if centaurs were really furry or mythologically mainstream creatures and it subsequent deletion of this article. Worthiness or not, a human with an animal appendage a furry does not make. Were wolfs, which some people have also a problem (I don't), transforms a humanoid into an anthropomorphic beast, hence the furry side. I didn't put the "Appropriate" tag because I wish to see this article go, but instead because the discussion was already meted in the past for its unfurriness,... Case in point, as with mermaids, is Disney's Ariel a furry?.
::Deletion here does not mean deletion on the ru-Wikifur, by the way, just FYI - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::: I know they're not connected, I just root for these amazing mythic animal-hybrids as whole %) Anyway, [[Nutella]] is not a furry, as are [[humans]] and to some extent [[raptor]]s and [[Lion King]]. I'm not to judge if human/animal changers (without manbeast form) are in scope of en-WikiFur, but if they are - this article should be expanded with the info above, not deleted. I would do it, but I don't have ''that'' much confidence in my language skills.
::: About Ariel, she's not a furry IMHO, but some incarnations of merfolk are. [http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Merfolk_Looter.jpg Those in Magic: the Gathering] [http://www.wizards.com/magic/images/mtgcom/arcana1000/1412_LorwynPoster_Merfolk.jpg] [http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic/general/Merfolk_Thaumaturgist.jpg] have a ''lot'' of piscine features. Armenfilm animation "Under the blue sea, under the white spindrift" has mermaid who has [[:wikipedia:ru:http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:%D0%92_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5,_%D0%B2_%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5.jpg|fish for a head]]. World of Darkness merfolk (a changeling kin) can be as "fishy" (or based on other sea life) as players like. [[Milk!]] #35 has an antropomorphic mermaid character named Fen. Merfolk are furry-capable. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 21:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::::"''I know they're not connected, I just root for these amazing mythic animal-hybrids as whole %)''" Adoration is not precisely a qualifying term for article entry; Many entries have been started (I.e. Animorphs) because because people thought that they were a concept that may be spot on for Wikifur. As for the examples you brought forward:
::::Nutella,...This product is so engrained in US furry lore that its omission would be sacrilegious for some fans o.O Human, the base unit that a furry starts from, with no Human there will be not anthropomorphics to begin with, Lion King not furry, no, not furry per se, but as of furry interest, several hundred fans and artists may have a word or two about it (a following that Centaur does not measure to). Raptor,... well, slap a Appr tag on it (done).
::::We are re hashing a topic that has been discussed/deleted in the past. You feel that they may a point to reintroduce them back on Wikifur, so, how about this. Along with the Appropriate tag (it takes several months and updates before deletion, so other editors can way in on the pros and cons), I will add the Merge tag, in the event that deleting it again, it may be added to the [[Taur]] article. Discussion is the key, unless overall opinion sways it one way or the other.
::::AS for Human Merwolk, what would a fish/mammal version of a Taur would be called? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: Ouch! A raptor is a kind of fursona for me (a [[Polymorph|morph]], actually), and it seems like [[:Category:Raptor characters|several other furries]] and possibly most [[Scalie|scalies]] deem them appropriate. About Lion King, TLK fans take more than a half of Russian furry fandom, thus both physically anthropomorphic (humanoid) and psychologically anthropomorphic (talking animals) characters are accepted. Seems like the culture is hugely different across the globe... Still, it's not like only bipedal animals are called furry in English, [[Non-anthro|according to my research]]. It seems to be the case of no established terms.
::::: Anyway, I'm not the one to rule what is appropriate or not in en-WikiFur. My purpose was to lend some thoughts and arguments. In ru-WikiFur, the only notability guidelines are "you, the fandom member, is the best judge of what is appropriate" and "write in the context of anthropomorphic animals and furry fandom". With the small fandom we have, works pretty well. We only had to delete as much as three or four articles and clean up some.
::::: So, my work here is done. Good luck %) [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 16:25, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Article update #1 (March 6, 2010) ==

Updating the entry's appropriateness status. Keep or delete?. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Article update #2 (July 25, 2010) ==

Updating the entry's appropriateness status. Keep or delete? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:Eh, I have seen Centaurs illustrated in the fandom and there are those that believe them to, even with their human parts, to be furry because of the animal parts. I'm on the fence with my own opinion on that, but since we take the community's opinion and not our own, I would have to say that the article should be kept. [[Taur|Taurs]] are really not the same thing in comparison. They are similar, yes, but not enough to really combine the two articles together. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Silver seren

2010-07-26T06:11:13Z

Silver seren: /* Would you do Zelda? */

Welcome to my talk page. If you wish to discuss an edit I made, an article I created, or about an article I am involved in, please leave me a message here. If you wish to discuss me helping with an article or some other issue, please leave me a message. If you wish to just chat with me, please leave me a message.

Thank you. :) [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Welcome, watching tip, and comment on activity ==

Welcome to WikiFur, Silver! (Yay, another colour - soon we'll be like the [[wizard]]s on [[Tapestries MUCK|Taps]] . . .)

For the record, you can also [[Special:Watchlist/raw|manually edit your raw watchlist]]. Particularly useful if you want to watch a list of pages.

As for WikiFur, we can always use new editors. Traffic is down in part because we [[News:English WikiFur moved to en.wikifur.com|moved last year]] and Google still hasn't given us the ranking we used to have. It shouldn't be long now, though - visitors increase ~7% every month - and our [[WikiFur:Administrators|admins]] are [http://stats.wikifur.com/EN/TablesWikiFurEN.htm#wikipedians still around] if you need advice.

We're not as organized as you might be used to on Wikipedia, but don't let that stop you making changes where appropriate. Check out [[WikiFur:Policies and guidelines|our policies]], then go forth and '''be bold'''! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:I'm probably going to be working primarily on biographies of the more famous people in the fandom in my time here. To that end, I just went and messaged [[Meesh]] on FA about a list of the comics and things he has made. Furthermore, I sent a message to [[ZEN]] to ask for his permission to use [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2223226/ this] image as a fursona picture on his Wikifur page. If he does give it, would you be able to upload the image for me? I've never worked with image files or templates, so I don't know how to do either of those things, even on Wikipedia.

:I'm also likely going to be sending messages to other artists to get releases for image use on their pages. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::Sounds like a good place to start - articles about popular artists often draw visitors. As for the image uploading, I can if you want, but it's ''really'' easy - just go to [[Special:Upload]], specify the license (you can just use the "character" option if given permission, and mention that it was uploaded with their permission in the description) and upload the file, then put something like <nowiki>[[File:NameOfFile.jpg|right|thumb|Description of image]]</nowiki> in the article. Give it a go! There's more details and options in the [[Help:Editing|editing help]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Finished with DYK ==

I finished updating DYK. Does it look alright? From the looks of the archive, no one really updated it at all in 2009, or for the first half of 2010 so far. Would you like for me to be the updater for it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Looks good! The one thing I'd mention is that you can link directly to Wikipedia with <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|link description]]</nowiki> (I fixed them this time around). There's a list of such prefixes [[Special:Interwiki|here]]. And sure, that'd be awesome! I used to update that but I just have so much on my plate now (maintaining WikiFur's software and now [[Flayrah]], plus other stuff) that I haven't had time to spend updating our front page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::How often do you think DYK should be updated? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Probably about once or twice a week. The rate should be governed by the number of non-trivial [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] (be permissive; [[Kayiko]] and [[Man bijt hond]] are trivial - for now anyway - but [[Furry Canada Day]] or [[Central Midwest Furmeet]] are non-trivial). If you're interested in doing it more frequently than the supply allows, I suggest going back through the archives of articles created since the last 2009 update - I'm sure there are some great facts just waiting to be revealed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Let's say every Friday then, or thereabouts. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shortcut Templates ==

I just tried to use a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Shortcut|shortcut template]] on the [[WikiFur:Wikiproject Convention|Convention Wikiproject]] I just created and it appears that they don't work, as of yet. How would we go about getting such things to work, as they would be useful for both Help pages and Project/Portal pages? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It should work now. See [[WikiFur:Shortcut]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Random comments ==

For reference, the "editor" you just reverted was probably a misdirected attempt at forum spam. We've been getting that more frequently over the last few months. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

== Crush! Yiff! Destroy! ==

Re the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag on [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!#The End]], I have no idea what could possibly be cited or referenced to prove it... though if you want to go look, the [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/oldforum/ CYD forum] and the [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/frontpage/ front page] are both still up, though posting & commenting have been turned off, and of course if you really wanted to poke about, CYD's WHOIS hasn't changed. [[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 20:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Opposing viewpoint on notability and exlusion ==

Hi Silver! I've been following your edits with interest, since I'm a new editor at WF and I recognize that while you're relatively new here yourself, you have a wealth of experience over at WP. You may have noted by now, that I posted an opposing viewpoint to yours on [[Talk:Kaffa Wolf]]. It has long been my policy that if I disagree with someone, I also approach them personally and "shake hands." While it may not be strictly necessary in Wiki culture (since discussion and civil opposing views are openly encouraged), it still makes for better working relationships. So FWIW, just wanted to properly introduce myself and let you know I respect you, and that I hope to have the opportunity to work with you in the future. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 06:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks so much for the kind reply (posted on [[User Talk:Cody Denton]]). This is a huge learning curve for me, having never been active on WP. (I do have an account there but have used it '''very''' rarely.) It's nice to hear feedback on what I'm doing, and I always welcome constructive advice too (if I should do something that might have best been done differently). I hope to remain active as an editor, though at this point as a relative newcomer to the fandom I doubt you'll see much original content from me. If you can think of a way that I could help you with the technical aspects of [[Wikifur:Wikiproject Convention]], I'd be happy to participate. I've only been to one con, so anything requiring first-hand knowledge wouldn't be in my league. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 10:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

=== A point ===

He has [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&curid=35&diff=299613&oldid=299549 a point]. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed. I'm afraid that offense was taken where none was intended. I've posted what I hope was a peaceful reply to explain why I objected. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

=== [[Furnal Equinox]] ===

Thanks for your contributions and mediation on the FE article wherever possible - however, I really feel "up against a brick wall" so to speak. While I acknowledge that certain concessions might be necessary, the degree to which Dan has gone to express his particular perspective (now including some "Dan Skunk did this and that" edits over the past couple of days) over recent days is not acceptable to me (in my role as an FE representative). Left a message on GreenReaper's page asking if there's any arbitrative steps that can be taken to resolve this content issue, and would appreciate your help if you so wish. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== removed age ==

Removed age from Shiuk article. Help:Furry_Book_of_Style "Do not give a person's current age, since it will become outdated over time. Give their year of birth instead." Maybe at some point Wikifur will have something like Wikipedia's Template:Birth_date_and_age . --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 23:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, having a template that naturally changes the age based on the inputted birthday would be nice, though that would likely require a bit of coding. But, I understand. :3 [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks/Opinion==
Hi Silver, thanks for staying on top of my recent submissions, and helping to catch the little tweaks and fixes that need to be made. You have much more experience than me, and I'd welcome any feedback; do the guideline posts thus far reflect best practices and a consensus view, in your opinion? Thanks, and have a great day! --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think you've done a fantastic job with the guideline pages. Especially the ones that you reworded to be true for Wikifur. Those were excellent. I agree with all of the things you've added.

:Oh, and let me point out that your "Nutshell" template already has an inset period in the end of the template, so you don't need to add a period at the end of your last sentence when you are using it. That's why it was making double periods, of which I was fixing. So, you can either remember not to put a period on the end of your last sentence when you use it or you can go and remove the period from the template itself. Either way, just wanted to point that out. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for the feedback, Silver! I'm having fun with it, but I do naturally want to keep things true to consensus. Also, thanks for the tip about the template! It was my first-ever attempt at a template that accepts a passed variable. I'll fix it later, when I get home. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 20:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Opinion==
:Oh goody, an opinion page ^^! I think you're an asshat, Silver Seren. You overstepped your authority where you had no business to. What I posted wasn't gossip, it was cold hard fact. I didn't post any source because I was the fucking source. I'm pretty sure I know who I'm having a relationship with, and since I had permission from the person whose page was in question to edit it, you caused me a lot of trouble with your stupid bullshit. The fact that you and your little butt buddy Cody suggested that I was delusional went too far. You both owe me an apology, which I will accept when you grovel at my feet like the insignificant little worms you are.[[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]] 19:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::and for the record, I'm not saying this to start trouble, Silver Sheen started trouble with me the moment he thought it wise to repeat something back at me that I had just said as if I had never said it. The moment he made it clear that he didn't read what people wrote in the discussion page before commenting made it apparent that he has no business having that little badge in the corner of his userpage. The fact that he went out of his way to pick fights with me on my first day here how much of an insignificant worm he is and I will never listen to a damn thing he tells me, because I do not recognize his authority. [[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]] 19:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

:::*sigh* BradRepko, you have jumped into a conversation between Silver and me. A conversation which, it may come as a shock, has nothing to do with you. I have attempted to keep a calm, helpful, and civil tone with you. I do not appreciate the random intrusion into a question that I addressed to Silver, on HIS talk page, that had nothing to do with you. Neither of us suggested that you were delusional, though you may wish to consider the opinion that you are generating all by yourself with rants like this one. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 19:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Would you do Zelda? ==

Hello Im 189.47.28.218. The Guy who created the copy and paste from the zelda winkipedia, and Im also the guy who were asking to maintain the page since, there is dondogos, gorons and wolf link... (Im also the one who asked about zoras)(I never wanted to left an simple copy and paste, i just thinked that maybe its was an good starting point)

(As you can see Im fan of both furrys and zelda)

So i was starting to edit the page(Try to make it correct) by first deleting the copy and paste that everyone complained and then by collecting info and other things before start posting, and then i found an undo, so i was thinking: Yes, They are right, I Suck at Editing Winkfur, so its the best to leave the new page to be done by someone pro at it. So would you want to do it?

Im also telling that this is my last edit, so I will leave the idea of editing the Winkifur forever.
:Sorry if my undo discouraged you. If you're going to make changes, it's better to go piece-meal with them and slowly work the article into the form that you think it should be.

:I'm afraid that I don't really have the time to work on such a full-scale article like The Legend of Zelda, but I think you would do a great job if you really took a crack at it. It's best to start making the changes so that others can follow behind you and continue to make it even better. If no one starts the process, then it will never get done. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Softpaw Magazine

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[[File:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' is the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, mainly featuring [[erotic]] art and stories. It is published by [[Dream Field Comics]], and distributed online and through [[Rabbit Valley]].

The first issue of ''Softpaw'' was published in October 2006. A story-based spinoff, '''''Finding Avalon''''', was first published in July 2008.

''Softpaw'' has been popular, but also highly controversial due to its subject matter, with bans at [[Eurofurence]] and [[Further Confusion]].
{{WikiFurNews|AAE bans Softpaw from Further Confusion 2008 over legal fears}}
{{WikiFurNews|Eurofurence 13 bans Softpaw}}
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}
== History ==

''Softpaw'' was partially inspired by Arcc's "Ivan & Tas" series on the [[Secretmoon]] [[oekaki]], a haven for fans of cub artwork.<ref>''[http://www.secretmoon.org/oekaki/index.php?a_match=Arcc#699 Ivan & Tas 8]'' (NSFW) - comment by [[Jery Softpaw]] (22 September 2008)</ref> The publishers drew from a mix of established artists and authors on Secretmoon and [[Cub Central]], as well as new artists on websites like [[Fur Affinity]]. As the production of ''Softpaw'' cost a large amount of money, pre-orders and donations were encouraged, with donators' nicknames printed on the last page of each issue.

Some contributors [[News:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue|held events to promote the comic]], such as the popular pizza parties at Further Confusion and [[Califur]]. However, attempts by artists to distribute the comic at [[Eurofurence]] were thwarted when [[News:Eurofurence 13 bans Softpaw|the convention banned the work]], followed shortly after by a [[News:AAE bans Softpaw from Further Confusion 2008 over legal fears|ban at Further Confusion]], where publishers had planned to release ''Softpaw'' #3.

''Softpaw'' #2 was listed in the [[Ursa Major Awards]]'s 2007 Recommended Anthropmorphics List in the ''Best Fanzine'' category. The next year, both ''Softpaw'' #3 and #4 and ''Finding Avalon'' #1 [[News:2008 Ursa Major Award voting open|made it onto the awards ballot]], for ''Best Magazine'' and ''Best Comic Book'' respectively. In the end, neither work won, but the fact that they had got that far [[News:2008 Ursa Major Award winners announced#Controversy|concerned]] those who felt such works should not be considered for the award.

For the 2009 Awards, a rule blocking "works of a predominantly sexual nature, or which include explicit sexual situations involving characters which may be underage or non-anthropomorphic animals" was added.<ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/c/2009-ursa-majors-open-not-all 2009 Ursa Majors open, but not to all]'' - [[GreenReaper]], [[Flayrah]] (22 January 2010)</ref> As no issues of ''Softpaw'' or ''Finding Avalon'' were published in 2009, this rule was not tested against them.

== Issues ==
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''Softpaw'' issues have been released on a six- to nine-month basis. However, there have been no new releases since 2008.

=== Issue #1 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue1cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #1'' cover ([[Coonkun]])]]
The first issue was printed in October 2006 and was initially shipped on November 15th, 2006. The recommended retail price is stated as US$19.95 - significantly more than most other periodical furry comics and fanzines.

This issue is comprised of 64 color pages and contains the following stories:

* "The Day Before The Exam" a gay-content comic by Óscar Eduardo Alejandro Jiménez ([[The End Of The World]]) and [[BA]]
* "Teacher's Love" a straight-content comic by [[Jkal]] and [[Beastmaker]]
* "PJ Pup" a gay-content comic by [[Looqdrake]]
* "Little Entrepreneur" a gay-content comic by [[Edis Krad]]
* "The Milkshake Club" a story/comic mix by [[Athalon Ferret]] and [[Artdecade]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Coonkun]], [[Fennec]], [[Gilbhart]], [[Inuki]], [[Kichigai Kitsune]], [[Krezz Karavan]], [[Lune Cheetah]], [[McDutt]], [[Sylus Foxdragon]], [[Wolfblade]], [[Zen]] and [[Zippo]].

=== Issue #2 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue2cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #2'' cover ([[Lando]])]]
Issue two was printed in June 2007 and made its debut at [[Anthrocon 2007]] The recommended retail price is US$19.95. A pack of issues #1 and #2 was subsequently made available for US$29.95.

This issue contains the following stories in 80 full-color pages:

* "Sleep Over", a gay-content comic by [[Shiuk]]
* "Zeak's Wonderful Life of Doom", a straight-content comic by [[Jkal]], [[Azures]] and [[HySeed]]
* "Those Good Old Games", a straight-content comic by [[Bbmbbf]]
* "Brave?", a straight-content comic by [[Momiji Yuuga]]
* "Bath Time", a gay-content comic by [[Inuki]]
* "The Perfect Size", a straight-content comic by [[Krezz Karavan]] and [[BBMBBF]]
* "Flower Kitties", a straight-content comic by [[Papaya Kitty]]
* "Tyler's Trouble", a gay-content comic written by [[Crassus]] and drawn by [[Shiuk]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Ben Raccoon]], [[BA]] (credited as A Bee), [[Fennec]], [[Coonkun]], [[Skifi]], [[Edis Krad]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[ZEN]] and [[Lando]]

The original image of the back cover by Inuki reveals more of the characters genital area. This was covered with some white steam in the published version. A limited print of the original artwork was shipped together with a pack consisting of Softpaw #1 and #2 if directly ordered from Inuki shortly after release.

=== Issue #3 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue3cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #3'' cover ([[Shiuk]])]]
The third issue was first printed on January 2008. This issue was expected to be released at [[Further Confusion 2008]], until convention staff informed Softpaw that their magazine “would be against their new rule banning representations of minors engaged in sexual acts.”<ref>http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/frontpage/index.php?blog=1&p=140&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more140</ref> The recommended retail price was US$24.95. Despite the lack of a convention release and the higher price tag, the third issue still sold out at [[Rabbit Valley]].

This issue contains the following stories in 96 full-color pages:

* "Finding Avalon", written by [[Jery Softpaw]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw]], drawn by [[BA]] (credited as A Bee)
* "The Milkshake Club: Part 2", a gay content comic written by [[Athalon Ferret]], drawn by [[Fel]]
* "Zeak's Wonderful Life of Doom", a gay content comic by [[HySeed]]
* "Happy Trip", a straight content comic by [[Zorro Re]]
* "Here Comes Annie", a straight content comic by [[BBMBBF]]
* "Little Red and the Big Bad Wolf", a gay content comic by [[Shiuk]]
* "A Knight's Tail", gay content comic by [[Mek]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Coonkun]], [[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Celestial]], [[Lando]], [[Leon Flare]], [[Meesh]], [[Meow Rouge]], [[Momiji Yu-ga]], [[Zen]] and [[Zippo]]

=== Issue #4 ===
[[File:SoftpawMagazine issue4cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw #4'' cover ([[Papaya Kitty]])]]
The fourth issue was first printed on November 2008 and sold for a retail price of US$19.95. Buyers who pre-ordered ''Softpaw'' #4 got a free issue of another Softpaw Magazine or of Finding Avalon with their order.

This issue contains the following stories in 64 full-color pages:

* "Winter Fun", a gay content comic written and inked by [[Amiramasi]], colors by [[K]]
* "Oh, Brother!", a gay content comic by [[Wolfblade]]
* "Oasis Tome 1&2", a straight content comic written and pencilled by [[Jkal]], inks by [[Hyseed]], color by [[Miao]]
* "The Insatiable Prince", a gay content comic by [[A Bee]]

Some artists also contributed standalone artwork:

[[Arcc]], [[Asthexiancal]], [[Ben Raccoon]], [[Inuki]], [[Mek]], [[Papaya Kitty]] and [[Wishing Star]] as well as some illustrations by the story's artists.

== Finding Avalon ==
[[File:Softpaw FindingAvalonLogo.jpg|right|Softpaw Magazine's Finding Avalon Logo]]
''Finding Avalon'' is a comic based on two series started in ''Softpaw'', and is meant to take a more serious approach to cub artwork. Its format is 40 pages, full color, glossy, in the big magazine size.
[[File:SoftpawMagazine FAvalon Cover1.jpg|right|frame|Finding Avalon #1 cover ([[Shiuk]])]]
===Issue #1===

The first issue was printed in June 2008 and initially released at [[Anthrocon 2008]]. Mail-order issues started shipping in July 2008. The recommended retail price was US$14.95 and it includes two stories in comic form:

* "Beyond Words" written by [[Jery Softpaw]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw]], drawn by [[Zorro Re]]
* "Even Now" by [[Shiuk]]

[[A Bee]] and "kitty" Maverick also contributed standalone artwork for the inside covers.

== References ==
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== External links ==
* [http://dreamfieldcomics.com/ Dream Field Comics] - publisher's website
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7200_4659___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-2.html #2] [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7452_4659___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-3.html #3] and [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_7826_4659___Softpaw-Magaine-Issue-Number-4.html #4] at [[Rabbit Valley]]
* [http://www.furstars.eu/the-auctionhouse/softpaw-magazine-and-finding-avalon-discounted-for-furstars-members Softpaw 1, 2, 3 and Finding Avalon] at FurStars.eu (Approved European Stockist)

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WikiFur:Did you know?

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Silver seren: Archive for July 24th, 2010 (one day late)

The '''[[Template:Did you know|Did you know]]?''' section highlights features of newly-added articles on the front page. It is an important part of the [[:Category:WikiFur featured content|WikiFur featured content]] system, as many new articles are interesting but not quite up to [[WikiFur:Featured articles|featured article]] status.

The template linked above can be edited to include the newest articles - make sure to provide an archive copy below! It is probably a good idea to link to different articles in the [[:Template:Newbar|new articles bar template]], to avoid duplication.
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== Archive ==
=== 2010 ===

==24 July==

*The '''[[Furry Broadcasting Corporation]]''' is a [[furry]] [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|internet radio station]] that was implemented in 2005 during the stop in production of [[2 Sense]], though the FBC became largely defunct in late 2009.
*'''[[Justa Lotta Animals]]''' is a team of [[anthropomorphic]] [[Animal|animals]] that were featured in stories published by [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] and served as a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Justice League of America|Justice League of America]] in their [[Wikipedia:Crisis on Infinite Earths|pre-Crisis]] form.
*'''[[Fursuit bowling]]''', an activity that involves people in [[Fursuit|fursuits]] attempting to bowl, is featured often at smaller [[Convention|conventions]] and there have been multiple bowl offs featured between [[Furries Vs. Klingons|Furries and Klingons]].
*'''[[Club Flex]]''', previously known as '''The Locker''', is an adult establishment on [[Second Life]] that promotes furry [[Wikipedia:bodybuilding|bodybuilding]] and [[Wikipedia:Muscle|muscular]] bodies, though the club is open to everyone regardless.

==16 July==

*'''[[Radio Unifurse]]''' is a radio show run by Aerek, [[Alkora]], Arren Jevleth, and [[The Sonic God]], created in 2008, which airs for two hours on Sunday after the [[Funday Pawpet Show]].
*'''[[Dylan Rinald]]''' is a [[furry]] [[artist]] that founded a [[Wikipedia:Yahoo!|Yahoo!]] group called the BootedFurries, which failed to garner significant attention, but became the inspiration for the later project, the [[BootedFurs]], of which he is a moderator.
*The '''[[Kevin and Kell Role-Playing Game]]''' was written by Jamie Borg and Michael Hopcroft, illustrated by creator [[Bill Holbrook]], and published by ComStar Media in 2005.
*'''[[Kia|Kia Motors]]''' released a [[Wikipedia:Commercial|commercial]] in 2009, and another in 2010, featuring [[anthropomorphic]] [[Hamster (species)|hamsters]] driving Kia vehicles and dancing to music.

==9 July==

*'''[[Gold Digger: The Time Raft]]''' is an [[Wikipedia:United States|American]] [[Wikipedia:Original video animation|OAV]] series based on the "Time Raft" arc from the [[Gold Digger]] comic books series created by [[Fred Perry]], which began creation in 1999 and is a compilation of the three separate parts made in the years since.
*'''[[BootedFurs]]''' is a community-driven [[Wikipedia:Web portal|web portal]] that cater to [[Furry|furs]] that are interested in [[Wikipedia:Boot|boots]] and [[Wikipedia:Leather|leather]], ranging from those with a slight interest to those with a leather [[fetish]].
*'''[[The Secret Life of Pokémon Breeders]]''' is a [[webcomic]] set in the [[Pokemon]] universe that features [[anthropomorphic]] characters that act as breeders of Pokémon.
*The '''[[2005 Ursa Major Awards]]''' was held at the [[Wikipedia:Radisson Hotels|Radisson Suites Hotel]] in [[Wikipedia:Huntsville, Alabama|Huntsville, Alabama]] and occurred during the [[Rocket City FurMeet 2006]].

====2 July====

*'''[[Claws and Paws]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Newspaper#Organized and personnel|newspaper office]], which acts as a setting for a series of [[Wikipedia:Children's literature|children's books]], written by [[Malcolm Hall]], that features a variety of [[anthropomorphic]] [[animal|animals]].
*'''[[WhoFurs]]''' is a [[podcast]] that is hosted by [[Fuzzwolf]] and [[Tealfox]] and revolves around the [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] television show [[Doctor Who]].
*The '''[[2002 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were given out at the final [[ConFurence 2003|Confurence in 2003]] and were also the last to be awarded and organized by the [[Confurence Group]]; [[Wikipedia:Chris Sanders (director)|Chris Sanders]] of [[Wikipedia:The Walt Disney Company|Walt Disney Entertainment]], half of the directing team behind "[[Wikipedia:Lilo and Stitch|Lilo and Stitch]]" was there to receive the award for Best Anthropomorphic Motion Picture.
*'''[[The Dawn Chapel]]''' is a weekly [[webcomic]] that consists of multiple [[Wikipedia:Short story|short stories]] 4-8 pages long that always feature animal characters in some manner.

====25 June====

*'''[[Naturally]]''' is a series of commercials from [[Orangina]] that features [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]] [[anthropomorphic]] animals in various acts that can be viewed as vaguely, though sometimes rather overtly, sexual.
*'''[[Foxcub Radio]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Radio station|radio station]] hosted by [[FoxMajik]] that includes both [[furry]] programming and announcements from local [[Wikipedia:California|California]] awareness groups on various subjects.
*The '''[[2004 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were awarded and given out in the Wyndham Philadelphia Hotel at [[Anthrocon 2005]].
*'''[[Murloc|Murlocs]]''' are an [[Wikipedia:Amphibious|amphibious]] race of [[Fish|fishmen]] featured in the [[World of Warcraft]] universe that are greatly reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:H. P. Lovecraft|H.P. Lovecraft's]] [[Deep Ones]].

====18 June====

*'''[[Inkbunny]]''' is an online [[art|art site]] catering to the [[furry fandom]], primarily used for the sale of high-resolution digital downloads and [[print]]s.
*The '''[[2003 Ursa Major Awards]]''' were the first UMA ceremony to be performed after the last [[Confurence]], to allow public nominations and voting, and to be held outside the [[Wikipedia:United States|United States]].
*'''[[Souls RPG]]''' is a [[werewolf]] [[roleplaying]] [[forum]] established in 2001.
*'''[[Coney Dewclaw]]''', a character from the [[webcomic]] ''[[Kevin and Kell]]'', is a [[rabbit]] who acts [[carnivore|carnivorously]], causing great mayhem in the Dewclaw family.

====11 June====

*For the '''[[2007 Ursa Major Awards]]''', only [[D.C. Simpson]], creator of [[Ozy and Millie]], was available to personally receive her award among the winning nominees.
*'''[[8-Bitch Fyve]]''' is a flash animation that acts as a parody of animations made by [[Wikipedia:8-Bit Theater|8-Bit Theater]].
*'''[[What The Fur 2010]]''' had a theme of Pirates vs. Ninjas; the [[Guests of Honor]] were [[Max Black Rabbit]] and [[gNAW]].
*'''[[The Furry Writers Guild]]''' acts as a conglomeration of information and links for high-level [[Writer|writers]] of [[furry fiction]] in the [[fandom]].

====4 June====

*'''[[Higher Than the Stars]]''' is a song and [[Wikipedia:Music video|music video]] that featured several [[fursuiters]] in it.
*'''[[Furboree]]''' is a [[furry camping]] [[convention]] that combines camping events and furry activities, along with a [[Dealer's Den]].
*'''[[Taxidermy]]''' involves processes that are similar to when the skin of a [[Wikipedia:Chicken|chicken]] is removed prior to [[Wikipedia:Cooking|cooking]].
*'''[[Shiuk]]''' is a [[furry artist]] who has created several comics for the furry [[Wikipedia:Magazine|magazine]] [[Softpaw Magazine|Softpaw]] since 2007.

====28 May====

*'''[[FA Rank]]''' is a ranking system based on the relative popularity of [[Fur Affinity]] users.
*'''[[Furry Canada Day]]''' is an annual [[furry meet]] consisting of walking through downtown [[Wikipedia:Ottawa|Ottawa]], with some attendees in [[fursuits]].
*'''[[The Cat Came Back]]''', a 1988 animated short film, was placed on [[Wikipedia:Cartoon Network (United States)|Cartoon Network's]] 100 Greatest Cartoons of All Time list.
*'''[[Furnal Equinox 2011]]''' is a proposed convention in [[Wikipedia:Toronto|Toronto]], whose theme is planned to be "Wild Magic"; [[ZEN]] is to be a Guest of Honor.

=== 2009 ===
*'''[[Furry Weekend Atlanta 2008|FWA 2008]]''' expenses included $2761 for [[conbadge|convention badges]], $648 in [[Wikipedia:PayPal|PayPal]] fees, and $700 in tips.
*'''[[IndyFurCon]]''' (iFC), a [[furry convention]] chaired by [[Tora NightProwler]], is planned for [[:Category:Indiana|Indianapolis]] in 2010.
*A movie version of Roald Dahl's '''''[[Fantastic Mr. Fox]]''''' is scheduled to be released in theaters in November 2009
*'''''[[We Are Mongrels]]''''' has been plugged as "''[[Wikipedia:Avenue Q|Avenue Q]]'' meets ''[[Wikipedia:Family Guy|Family Guy]]''"
*'''[[Furry Weekend Atlanta 2010|FWA 2010]]''' will have a "Carnaval" (Brazilian Carnival) theme
*State Farm produced a '''[[State Farm Mascot commercial|commercial]]''' with a [[squirrel]] [[mascot]], hinting him to be a furry

=== 2008 ===

====31 July ====
*'''[[ConFurtiva]]''' plans to be [[:Category:Mexico|Mexico]]'s first ever furry [[convention]]
*[[IRC]] network '''[[EsperNet]]''' features a handful of furry-themed channels
*Small press organization '''[[Jarlidium Press]]''' has rescued a few [[fanzine]]s, including ''[[The Dallas Brawl]] Update'' and ''[[North American Fur]]''
*'''[[Xavious]]''' sporadically uploads videos of the ''[[Funday PawPet Show]]'' to [[YouTube]]
*'''[[Wolfie Fox]]''' made the biggest fully working ''[[Wikipedia:Stargate|Stargate]]'' network in [[Second Life]]

====20 April ====

*'''[[Furnet]]''', the largest furry IRC network, has almost 700 channels. '''[[Anthrochat]]''', the next largest, has almost 150 channels.
*'''[[Loyalty and Liberty]]''' is an [[graphic novel]] about 18th century life and the American War of Independence, where people are illustrated as [[cat]]s.
*'''[[Furry-Within]]''' is an adult furry community, created in late 2007, which runs competitions based around users submitting creative works.
*'''[[Skies Above MOO]]''' (previously '''Nexus of Souls MOO''') was a [[roleplaying]] [[MOO]] with "gryphons, pegasi, dragons and rocs"
*The '''[[Encyclopaedia of Unusual Sex Practices]]''' is a reference book which contains an entry on "Anthropomorphic cartoons"
*'''[[The Cunning Little Vixen]]''' was a play/opera first performed in 1924 and was written by the Czech composer Leos Janacek.

=== 2007 ===

====5 November====
*'''[[rec.arts.furry]]''' was proposed in early 2000 by [[Kay Shapero]] and [[Mitch Marmel]] as a moderated alternative to the [[:Category:Newsgroups|newsgroup]] '''[[alt.fan.furry]]'''
*The '''[[Schweizer Stammtisch]]''' ('''Swiss Roundtable'''), a [[furmeet]] in the bars and pubs of Oerlikon in Zürich, [[:Category:Switzerland|Switzerland]] regularly has a turnout of over 20
*'''[[American Furry: Life, Liberty and the Fursuit of Happiness]]''' is an in-progress documentary on [[fursuit]] culture in America from Brooklyn-based filmmaker, [[Marianne Shaneen]]
*'''''[[Hell Hath No Furries]]''''' is an article by [[Jennifer Abel]] that appeared in the ''[[Wikipedia:Hartford Advocate|Hartford Advocate]]'', in which she reported on her experiences as an undercover attendee at [[FurFright 2007]]
*'''[[Fursuit.de]]''' is a German-language wiki about the materials and methods involved in constructing [[fursuit]]s
*'''[[Ritachan]]''', a German-language [[image board]] for [[furries]], takes its name from the [[fox]] Rita, a character in the Danish [[anthropomorphic]] cartoon franchise ''[[Jungledyret Hugo]]'' ([[Wikipedia:Jungledyret Hugo|in Wikipedia]])

====14 August====
*[[convention|Furry conventions]] arranged over $50,000 in '''[[charity|donations to charity]]''' last year, and over $35,000 so far this year (updated at 4 September after MFM)
*'''[[Further Confusion 2008]]''' has a clubhouse in [[Second Life]] featuring a pagoda with free t-shirts and steps illustrated with previous years' logos
*[[Wikipedia:Argentina|Argentine]] furry meetup '''[[UFACon]]''' has been held in [[Wikipedia:Rosario|Rosario]] as part of a comic convention since 2004
*310 individuals (including 25 [[fursuit]]ers) attended the first instance of '''[[FA: United]]'''

====12 July====
*[[Wikipedia:Guiness World Records|Guiness World Records]] is reviewing a claim that the 353 [[fursuiter]]s at the [[fursuit parade]] of [[Anthrocon 2007]] may be a world record for ''Most Mascots in a Parade''
*A new version of the '''[[6-2-1 rule]]''' has been suggested by the [[Dorsai Irregulars]], recommending 6 miles walked, 2 snacks and 1 nap per day
* '''''[[The Bohemians]]''''' is a [[furry]] [[web comic]] authored and drawn by [[Sophie Cabra]] inspired by the hit Broadway musical [[Wikipedia:RENT (musical)|RENT]]
*'''[[Caring Critters]]''' is a [[mascot]] performing group for appearances at charity events, parades and other events

====22 June====
* '''[[Uncle Kage]]'s''' name is actually an abbreviation of ''Kagemushi Goro'', or the Samurai Cockroach, his selected [[fursona]]
* '''[[Fandom's Favorite Fursuit Fracas]]''' is a showcase tournament for [[fursuit]]s run in a bracket tournament style and chosen through a voting process on [[LiveJournal]]. It was organized by [[Exile Huscoon]] and [[Rhett Foxcoon]]
* '''[[March of the Furries]]''' is an article from the Denver Westword newspaper, featuring a review of [[Rocky Mountain Fur Con]], an interview with [[Uncle Kage]], and other commentaries from various [[furries]]
*A new '''[[LAFF Bowling]]''' event has been started, in addition to the original one. This second event is organized and run by [[Rayven Wolffe]] and [[Blazger]]

====21 May====
*The winners of the '''[[Ursa_Major_Awards#2006|2006 Ursa Major Awards]]''' [[News:2006 Ursa Major Award winners announced|were announced]] at [[Califur 3]].
*'''[[LAFF]]''' opened its annual summer softball season on May 19th with a Softbowl Extravaganza.
*'''Charlene''' of the '''''[[Mousey Love Girls]]''''' passed away of bone cancer on May 19, 2007, according to a post by [[Cigarskunk]].
*'''[[Rainbow Ark]]''' is a [[LiveJournal]] community for [[gay]] [[Christian]]s in the [[furry fandom]].

====7 May====
*The '''[[Califur Train]]''' departs for Southern California each May with a group of Seattle and Vancouver area furries.

====20 April====
*'''[[StarrBucks]]''', another property of [[Banner]], was one of the locations closed down in the recent closing of [[The Lining]] on [[Tapestries]].
*The [[convention]] '''[[United!]]''', sponsored by [[Fur Affinity]], is now open for registration.
* The [[Wikipedia:Stormtrooper (Star Wars)|stormtrooper]] often seen at California [[furry]] [[convention]]s is none other than furry veteran '''[[Ironbadger]]'''.
* '''[[Fur Weekend Camping & BBQ]]''' will be held May 4-6, 2007 this year in Gordonsville, Virginia.
* '''[[Furry Zine]]''' is an online [[zine]] available on [[LiveJournal]] whose main goal is to help raise women's awareness in the furry community.

==== 6 April ====
*A new '''''[[Underdog]]''''' movie will be released in August 2007 based off the popular cartoon [[dog]] superhero, starring [[Wikipedia:Jason Lee|Jason Lee]] as his voice
*'''[[The Golden Lash]]''' is now under [[Ruhemaus]]' ownership
* ''Winter wolves'' are a [[species]] created by '''[[Chinook McMutton Z]]''', based off of a creature in the [[Wikipedia:Dungeons and Dragons|AD&D]] [[Wikipedia:Monster Manual|Monster Manual]]
* '''[[Chuck Jones]]''', the famous animation director responsible for [[Pepe Le Pew]], created cartoons until his death in 2002; his last work was [[Thomas Timberwolf]]
* '''[[Soki Twopaw]]''' has launched a project on YouTube to extinguish what he sees as the public's [[stereotype|stereotypical]] views on [[furry]] culture

==== 6 March ====
*[http://www.ursamajorawards.org/Voting.htm Voting] for the 2006 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' opens March 10
*'''[[Katie Hofgard]]''' (Wolf Nymph/Shadow Wolf) will be the first [[guest of honor]] at [[All Fur Fun]]
* '''[[Cuprohastes]]''' painted the [[bunny]] character used in the [[IQ Challenge|IQ challenge hoax]]
* '''[[Vicki Fox]]''' is not only a popular [[webcomic]] character, but also the corporate [[mascot]] of Vicki Fox Productions Inc
* The '''[[Meekometer]]''' is a [[plushie]] unit of measurement used to calculate the relative size of a [[plush toy]]

==== 2 February ====
*[http://www.ursamajorawards.org/nominations.htm Nominations] for the 2006 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' are now open
*'''''[[T.H.E. Fox]]''''' was an online comic first published in 1986 on [[Wikipedia:Quantum Link|Quantum Link]]
* Many [[:Category:Fictional species|fictional species]] draw from '''[[Egyptian mythology]]'''
* '''[[Pandaguy's Picnic]]''' is held in [[Wikipedia:Washington, DC|Washington, DC]] over the last week of September
* '''''[[Bristled]]''''' centers around the lives of three [[female]] roommates

=== 2006 ===
==== 25 November ====
*The '''[[Furry Cruise]]''' is an event where [[furries]] go on a cruise ship together. It takes place on an annual basis, the first one being in 2005.

==== 3 October ====
*'''[[FurFright]]''', '''[[Furloween]]''', and '''[[Howloween]]''' are all Halloween-themed furry events held in October.

==== 2 October ====
*The '''[[Furry Music Foundation]]''' is a website dedicated to furry musicians, including its administrator [[Chama C. Fox]], and has numerous songs available for download
*'''[[The Asylum (Psychiatric Clinic for Abused Cuddly Toys)|The Asylum]]''' is is an online Flash game by Martin Kittsteiner that takes place in a clinic specialising in the treatment of mentally disturbed [[plush toy|plush toys]]
*'''[[Rage]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:Trading Card Game|CCG]] published in 1995 by [[White Wolf]] featuring werewolf packs battling other packs, evil monsters and trying to save the world
*'''[[Nidhogg]]''' is an artist with interests in [[Wikipedia:Norse Mythology|Norse Mythology]] who is working on a graphic novel
*'''[[Coffee Night]]''' is a furry coffee meet held every Tuesday in Brisbane, Australia
*'''[[Animagusurreal]]''' is a furry artist known for his psychedelic and surreal techniques
*'''[[Empires]]''' is a science-fiction story featuring [[anthropomorphic]] animals and debuted with [[Yarf]] in January 1990

==== 14 September ====
*''[[Packlands]]'' is a novel by '''[[Steven F. Scharff]]''', published as installments in ''[[Rowrbrazzle]]''
*'''[[Dingofox|Dingo]]''' is the technical administrator of [[Yerf]]
*The '''[[Furry is Life]]''' logo was created by [[Quadrupedal Jellybean]]
[[Image:Furry is Life.jpg|center|230px|Furry is Life]]
*'''[[Polska Strefa Furry]]''' is a [[forum]] for [[Wikipedia:Poland|Polish]] furs
*'''[[ConClave]]''' is a [[science fiction]] and [[fantasy]] [[convention]] held in [[Wikipedia:Michigan|Michigan]]

==== 16 August ====
* '''[[Rod O'Riley]]''', the editor of ''[[In-Fur-Nation]]'', has also hosted the '''[[Furry Fandom Lounge]]''' at [[Worldcon]].

==== 12 July ====
[[Image:RTR.jpg|right|Rapid T. Rabbit on The Daily Show]]
* '''[[AlohaWolf]]''' made a cameo on the infamous '''''[[CSI]]''''' episode
* '''[[Rapid T. Rabbit]]''' was interviewed on '''''[[The Daily Show]]'''''
* '''[[Artist]]''' '''[[Ainsley Seago]]'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s uncle starred as an actor in ''[[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]''
* Ailsa Berk, who played [[StarWars:Amanaman|Amanaman]] in ''[[StarWars:Return of the Jedi|Return of the Jedi]]'', is a regular at '''[[Further Confusion]]'''
* WikiFur features a '''[[List of media links|list of media links]]''' related to the fandom
* You can chat with other '''[[Wikifurries]]''' on the '''[[WikiFur:IRC|#wikifur IRC channel]]'''

==== 29 May ====
[[Image:UrsaMajor-sized.png|right|Ursa Major Awards]]
The 2005 '''[[Ursa Major Awards]]''' were announced at [[Rocket City Fur Meet]]:

:* [[:Category:Novels|Novel]]: '''''[[Volle]]''''', by [[Kyell Gold]]
:* [[:Category:Fanzines|Fanzine]]: '''''[[South Fur Lands]]'''''
:* Comic Book: '''''[[Usagi Yojimbo]]''''', by [[Stan Sakai]]
:* [[:Category:Comics|Comic Strip]]: '''''[[Faux Pas]]''''', by [[Robert Carspecken|Robert]] and [[Margaret Carspecken|Margaret Carspecken]]
:* [[:Category:Short stories|Short Fiction]]: '''''[[In His Own Country]]''''', by [[Kristin Fontaine]]
:* [[:Category:Games|Game]]: '''''[[Wikipedia:Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves|Sly 3: Honor Among Thieves]]''''', by [[Wikipedia:Sucker Punch Productions|Sucker Punch Productions]]
:* Other Literary Work: '''''[[Tales of the Questor|Tales of the Questor, Volume 1]]''''', by [[Ralph E. Hayes, Jr.]]
:* Dramatic Short Work: '''''Cake Dance''''' ''aka'' "'''''[[There she is!!|There She Is!! Step 2]]'''''", by [[SamBakZa]]
:* Motion Picture: '''''[[Wikipedia:The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe|The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe]]'''''
:* Published Illustration: '''[[Cybercat]]''''s cover painting for ''[[Transformations: A Forest Tales Story]]'', by [[Bernard Doove]]

* That the [[gryphon]] is the 21st [[List of most popular phenotypes|most popular]] [[fursona]] followed by the [[coyote]]?
==== 10 May ====
[[Image:Bunny3.png|right|100px|Smart Bunny]]
* The '''[[IQ Challenge]]''' was a [[LiveJournal]] [[meme]] created by [[Triggur]] and illustrated by [[Cuprohastes]]
* '''''[[Mythagoras]]''''' was a furry [[fanzine]] primarily edited by [[Watts Martin]]
* '''[[Dream (Furcadia)|Dreams]]''' are user-created places in [[Furcadia]]
* '''[[GraphXPress]]''' has published ''[[Red Shetland]]'', ''[[Equine the Uncivilized]]'', ''[[Morphs]]'' and ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]''
* The title and end theme to the '''[[Otter Island Radio Show]]''' was derived by [[Chama C. Fox|Chama]] from [[Wikipedia:Peter Howell|Peter Howell]]'s work at the [[Wikipedia:BBC Radiophonic Workshop|BBC Radiophonic Workshop]]

==== 4 May ====
[[Image:AAPic11.jpg|right|105px|And and Aardvark]]
*'''''[[The Ant and the Aardvark]]''''' is one of the more memorable classic cartoons since ''[[Wikipedia:The Pink Panther (character)|The Pink Panther]]''
*'''[[Sculpture]]''' is a growing form of [[furry art]]
*The '''[[Temple of Divinity]]''' is an Egyptian-themed [[role-playing]] area on [[Tapestries MUCK]]
*[[Oklacon]] was once known as the '''[[Festival of the Feral]]'''

==== 28 April ====
* '''[[AnthroAsia]]''' is a community website for furs and anthros in the Asian region. (Added to April 20's list.)

==== 20 April ====
[[Image:BanraiHead.png|right|Banrai]]
* '''[[Banrai]]''' has created several [[fursuit]]s, including [[Augenti]], [[Kasan]] and [[Conch]]
* '''[[CritterConDiego]]''' was a mini [[furry convention|furry con]] held in [[Wikipedia:San Diego, California|San Diego ]] from 2000 to 2002 on the same weekends as [[Comic-Con International]]
* '''[[Lapism]]''' is a belief system in stories by [[Phil Geusz]]
* '''[[Gabriel Gentile]]''' is an [[anti-furry]] [[artist]] once expelled from the [[Burned Furs]]
* '''''[[Chronicles of Sol]]''''' is a [[science-fiction]] series following rogue [[dragon]]ess [[Sol Fyres]]

==== 29 March ====
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*'''[[PlushMUCK]]''' was a PG-rated, invite-only [[MUCK]], named after the local currency: [[plush toy|plushie]]s
*'''[[Xoxios-Lan]]''' fell upon [[Lemon Orange]]'s knife ten times in one ''[[Macropod Madness]]'' shower scene
*'''[[Tavatiana]]''' is an [[anthropomorphic]] [[rabbit]] doe in ''[[Gene Catlow]]''
*'''[[Kaze (character)|Kaze]]''' is the main character of ''[[Kaze: Ghost Warrior]]'' by [[Timothy Albee]]
*'''[[Fauxpaw Publications]]''' publishes both ''[[Fur Visions]]'' and ''[[Fur Plus]]''

==== 22 March ====
[[Image:Bestiary.jpg|right|100px|The Bestiary]]
* '''[[The Bestiary (playing cards)|The Bestiary]]''' is a set of [[Wikipedia:Playing card|playing cards]] featuring 54 [[species]] by 33 artists
* '''[[Cub Conclave]]''' is an [[island (Second Life)|island]] for [[babyfur]]s in [[Second Life]]
* [[Human]]s and aliens go to school together in '''[[Teenagers From Outer Space]]'''
* '''[[YiffyToys.de]]''' is the european distributor of [[Furrystyle]]'s adult products
* We list '''[[Conventions listed by attendance|conventions by attendance]]''' and '''[[List of furry discussion forums|furry discussion forums]]'''

==== 7 March ====
[[Image:Socialbunny.jpg|right|100px|The Social Bunny]]
* The '''[[Social Bunny]]''' is an imaginary friend who appears to lonely sims in ''[[The Sims|The Sims 2]]''
* The music video to '''''[[Beautiful]]''''' by [[Wikipedia:Moby|Moby]] was performed entirely by [[fursuit]]ed characters
* '''''[[Inverloch]]''''' won the [[Wikipedia:Web Cartoonist's Choice Awards|Web Cartoonist's Choice Award]] for ''Outstanding Fantasy Comic''
* '''[[Tiger Paw]]''' is the chair of [[Furry Weekend Atlanta]]
* The '''''[[DSV Nautica]]''''' is a fictional starship led by Captain '''[[Neesah]]'''

==== 27 February ====
[[Image:YiffyYaffleRanger.png|right|90px|Yiffy Yaffle, Forest Ranger]]
*'''[[Yiffy Yaffle]]''' is Head of Security for [[The Forest]]
*[[とらんすふぁ]] (TRANSFUR) is a Japanese furry [[convention]]
*'''[[Outlander]]s''' were introduced by ''[[Simba's Pride]]'', sequel to ''[[The Lion King]]''
*'''[[Minerva Mink]]''' is a character in ''[[Animaniacs]]''
*'''[[S'A'Alis]]''' began hosting [[FurryMUCK]] in October 1993
*A 32-foot [[inflatable]] '''[[McGruff]]''' is available for crime prevention events
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==== 19 February ====

* '''''[[Exodus]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Pepper]] using characters from [[Furcadia]]
* '''[[The Tail Underground]]''' is a Flash-based adult website by [[Ian R. Soulfox]]
[[Image:TheTailUnderground.png|300px|center|The Tail Underground]]
* A '''[[Chakasa]]''' is a very [[chakat]]-like [[taur]] creature
* '''[[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]]''' is the largest collection of ''[[The Lion King|Lion King]]'' fan artwork on the internet
* '''[[Helix]]''' is a robot character from ''[[Freefall]]''

=== 2005 ===

==== 24 December ====

*[[Image:Logo_PolFurs.gif|right|PolFurs.org]]'''[[Polfurs|Polfurs.org]]''' is a Polish furry community website
*'''''[[Castle Horsetooth]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Oren Otter]] and [[Eala Dubh]], both formerly of the [[TSA]]
*'''[[Dragon's Eye Productions]]''' is the independent gaming company that created [[Furcadia]] and [[DragonSpires]]
*The '''[[F.I.A.]]''' was the theme of [[Eurofurence]] 8
*'''[[Faibanx MUCK|Faibanx]]''' is a [[MUCK]] inhabited mostly by users of [[Lava Dome Five]]
*'''''[[Suicide For Hire]]''''' is a [[webcomic]] by [[Rafael Medina]] about two high-school juniors and their lucrative business dealing death to self-pitying peers

==== 13 December ====

*'''[[HerbstCon]]''' is a [[convention|furry convention]] in [[:Category:Germany|Germany]]
*'''''[[The Generic Adventurers]]''''' is a one-shot seven-page comic by [[Chris Farrington]]
[[Image:GenericAdventurers.jpg|center|300px|The Generic Adventurers]]
*'''[[Jazz The Rabbit]]''' ran [[Midwest FurFest]]'s con suite from 2002-2005
*'''[[FurryPrints.com]]''''s motto is ''Putting Paws to Paper''
*'''''[[Blue Horizon]]''''' is a [[:Category:Story series|story series]] by [[Ted Blasingame|Ted]] and [[Eileen Blasingame]], and [[Steve Carter]]

==== 4 December ====
[[Image:playmouse_logo.png|right|PlayMouse]]
* '''[[PlayMouse]]''' is an [[:Category:Art archives|archive]] for [[erotic]] [[furry art]]
* '''[[FDCMuck]]''' was a small [[MUCK]] created in November 1994
* The '''[[Wampus Cat]]''' is a [[cougar]]-like [[feline]] said to live in the [[Wikipedia:Appalachian Mountains|Appalachian Mountains]]
* The '''[[Apathetic Furs]]''' was an idea for a joke group suggested by [[furry artist|artist]] [[Brian O'Connell]]
* '''[[Alicia Retban]]''' is a small [[Wikipedia:fennec|fennec]] that frequents [[FurryMUCK]], [[Tapestries MUCK|Tapestries]], and [[Furcadia]]

==== 25 November ====
[[Image:jalan.jpg|100px|right|Jalan seen from outer space]]
* '''[[Jalan]]''' is an inhabited [[Wikipedia:Extrasolar planet|extrasolar planet]] in the [[Felios]] system on [[Furscape]] [[MUCK]]
* The infamous '''[[Vixen Vending Machine]]''' made its first appearence on [[FurryMUCK]] in 1996
* [[Aaaamory|Vanessa '''Aaaamory''' Pridgen]] (also known as '''Honah Lee''') is a [[furry artist]], illustrator and professional animator
* '''[[The Giants' Club]]''' is the main [[macrophile]] hangout on FurryMUCK
* There is no '''[[furry cabal]]'''

==== 17 November ====
* The '''[[Furry Home at Squirrel Hill]]''' was a [[:Category:Furry houses|furry house]] founded (along with [[FurryMUCK]]) in late 1990 by [[Centaur (person)|Centaur]], [[Ashtoreth]], [[Drew Maxwell]] and [[Shaterri]]
* [[eurofurence (font)|eurofurence]] is a family of freeware sans-serif fonts developed by [[unci]] for the first [[EuroFurence]] in 1995
* Many [[furry artist]]s keep a '''[[sketchbook]]''' for trading and sharing sketches at [[furmeet]]s and [[convention]]s
* '''''[[Fangs of K'aath]]''''' is a novel by [[Paul Kidd]]
[[Image:Y!gallery logo.jpg|right|100px]]
* '''[[y!Gallery]]''' is a themed gallery related to illustrations and stories of [[Wikipedia:Homosexuality|homosexual]] male relationships

==== 11 November ====
[[Image:tsat.png|right|90px|tsat]]
* '''''[[TSAT]]''''' is a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories
* '''''[[The Yiffy Guide to Safer Sex]]''''' is a PDF file containing sexually explicit art which explains safe sex to [[furries]]
* The '''[[Artist's Ambush]]''' is a weekly gathering on [[FurryMUCK]] where [[artist]]s recieve a subject, then make an image inspired by or related to it
* '''[[Tes-Tui-H'ar]]''' is a German [[feline]] who started [[Eurofurence]] in 1995

==== 7 November ====
[[Image:Avatarserver.jpg|right|100px|Avatar Archive]]
* The '''[[Avatar Archive]]''' (also known as the '''Furry Art Archive''') was an [[Wikipedia:File Transfer Protocol|FTP]] site created by [[S'A'Alis]] as a continuation to [[Steven Stadnicki]]'s [[Tezuka]] FTP server
* '''[[Side 7]]''' is an [[:Category:Art archives|art archive]] and artist's community that had its origin as a [[BBS]] in 1992
* '''[[The Bagel Cult]]''' are a sinister cult created by [[Kelvin the Lion]] and featured in ''[[11 Will Die]]''
* The '''[[Christian Furry Fellowship]]''' is an [[:Category:Organizations|organization]] led by [[Oren Otter]] whose aims include improving the image of the fandom in the [[Christian]] community

==== 4 November ====

[[Image:furscape264dc.jpg|right|100px|Furscape]]
* '''[[Furscape]]''' is a [[MUCK]] set 200 years from today, in a multi-planetary, hard [[science fiction|SF]] universe
* '''[[Randy Fox (character)|Randy Fox]] & [[Cindy Fox]]''' are the main characters of the '''''[[Faux Pas]]''''' [[webcomic]] by [[Robert Carspecken|Robert]] & [[Margaret Carspecken]]
* '''[[Free paws]]''' is a web page and Yahoo group dedicated to furry fans and [[furry lifestyler|lifestylers]] who enjoy being barepawed both in character and in [[real life]]
* '''[[ČeSFuR]]''' is a furry [[convention]] in the [[Wikipedia:Czech Republic|Czech Republic]]
* '''[[Foxglove]]''' was a female [[bat]] [[character]] appearing in a single episode of ''[[Wikipedia:Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers|Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers]]''

==== 1 November ====

[[Image:Nagarebosi01.jpg|100px|right|Run and Run!]]
* '''''[[Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin]]''''' is a epic story starring [[talking animal]]s ([[dog]]s) created by [[Wikipedia:Yoshihiro Takahashi|Yoshihiro Takahashi]]
* The '''[[FurBQ]]''' is the largest informal, annual gathering of [[furs]] in the [[SoCalFurs]] region
* The March 1994 issue of '''''[[Wired magazine]]''''' featured ''Johnny Manhattan Meets the Furry Muckers'', one of the first mainstream articles published about furries
* '''''[[The Furkindred]]''''' is a furry shared universe media property published by [[MU Press]]

==== 30 October ====

[[Image:OOP.png|right|100px|Order of Potter]]
* The '''[[Order of Potter]]''' was the ''"[[Wikipedia:Internet|Internet]]'s most pointless award,"'' as described by its creator, former [[furry]] artist [[Eric Blumrich]], recognizing the conspicuous merits of [[:Category:Publications|publications]] and [[:Category:People|individuals]] in two specifically distinct categories: [[funny animal]]s and [[Wikipedia:Politics|politics]]
* A '''[[talking animal]]''' is a non-[[anthropomorphic]] [[animal]] with [[human]]-like attributes, usually intelligence and speech
* The '''[[Michael-Scot McMurry Award for Conspicuous Integrity]]''' was an idea brought forth by [[Wolf Smith]] and then [[ZonieCon]]'s chairman, [[Scott Malcomson]] on 10 April 2001, to honor the memory of the recently-deceased [[furry artist]] [[Michael-Scot McMurry]]
*'''''[[SKORCH]]''''' was the "semi-official [[fanzine]] of the [[Burned Fur]] movement"

==== 27 October ====

* '''[[Yiff: The Card Game]]''' is a [[furry]]-themed card game, with cards showing furry [[character]]s, often nude, aroused and/or in some form of [[BDSM|bondage]], first demonstrated during [[Conifur Northwest]] [[Conifur Northwest 2003|2003]]
* The '''[[Jack Lynch Mysteries]]''' are a series of six semi-[[furry]] hardboiled detective [[science fiction|SF]] stories by [[Clint Warlick]], five of which were published in ''[[Yarf!]]'' between 1991 and 1997
* '''''[[Playfur (website)|Playfur]]''''' was a website showing covers of a fictitious magazine based on the look of [[Wikipedia:Playboy (magazine)|Playboy magazine]], featuring pictures of nude or semi-nude [[furry]] [[female]]s in suggestive poses
* [[Image:Taron.JPG|140px|right|Pan-Taron!]]'''''[[PANDA-Z]]''''' (created by [[Wikipedia:Shuichi Oshida|Shuichi Oshida]]) is an alleged spoof of the popular [[anime]] ''[[Wikipedia:Mazinger Z|Mazinger Z]]''
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==== 23 October ====

* [[Image:Zoocrew issue1.jpg|right|100px|Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew]]'''''[[Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew]]''''' is a [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] comic book property about a team of [[funny animal]] superheroes created by [[Roy Thomas]] and [[Scott Shaw!]] and published from 1982 to 1983
* The '''[[funny animal fandom]]''' is composed of individuals who enjoy the classic funny animals from the [[Wikipedia:Golden Age of Comics|Golden Age]] and [[Wikipedia:Silver Age of Comics|Silver Age]] of comics
* '''''[[Nivlek]]''''' is the star of a [[comic]] created by [[Kelvin the Lion]] catering to the [[voraphile]] and [[babyfur]] communities
* '''[[StarrBucks]]''' is a coffee house on Castro just north of [[The Lining]] in [[Tapestries MUCK|Tapestries]]

==== 20 October ====

* '''''[[Rapid T. Rabbit and Friends]]''''' is a [[pawpet]] show broadcast on [[Wikipedia:public-access television|public-access television]] in New York since 1983 and regularly featured on the [[Funday PawPet Show]]
[[Image:Ff cover.jpg|right|100px|Furry Fantasies]]
* '''''[[Furry Fantasies]]''''' was the first furry music CD ever produced, compiled by [[Cheetah (musician)|Cheetah]] in 1998 from music by nine artists
* '''[[Radio Furtopia]]''' is a [[Wikipedia:SHOUTcast|SHOUTcast]] radio station run by the [[Furtopia]]n community

==== 14 October ====

* The '''[[Sabrina Online Radio Play]]''' is an audio drama based upon ''[[Sabrina Online]]'' by [[Eric W. Schwartz]], adapted and produced by [[Mindy Mousie]] of [[Midnite Lilly Productions]]
[[Image:Crush Yiff Destroy.png|right|96px|Rankin, the barfing raccoon]]
* '''[[Rankin]]''' is the the barfing [[raccoon]] [[mascot]] of [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]], created by [[Donotsue]]
* To '''[[floof]]''' is the impolite act of "fluffing" a [[furry]] [[character]] and/or [[fursuiter]]'s [[fur]]
* [[The Raccoon's Bookshelf]] is a archive and small press for [[furry fiction]] run by [[Mike Regan]]

==== 8 October ====

* '''[[Luskwood]]''' was the first widely known furry gathering area on [[Second Life]], popular for its furry [[Avatar (virtual reality)|avatars]]
* '''[[Zonie]]''' was a furry comic strip by the late [[Michael-Scot McMurry]], centering around the adventures of the a yellow-furred [[Anthropomorphic|anthro]] [[coyote]] in a black vest and polka-dot bandana
[[Image:Nanami.JPG|right|97px|Nanami and his (or her) friend Michi (Mi-chan)]]
* '''[[Nanami-chan]]''' ('''ななみちゃん''', aka ''Little Nanami'') is a [[mascot]] created by [[Wikipedia:NHK|NHK]] to celebrate the 15th anniversary of their satellite service, '''BS'''
* '''[[Humans in fursuits]]''' is a term used to describe furry [[character]]s in a [[:Category:Fictional locations|fictional setting]] who think, feel, and act much the same as a [[human]] would

==== 4 October ====
* '''[[TR Wolf]]''' recently appeared on the [[Funday PawPet Show]], where he gave an impressive command performance of ''[[Wikipedia:Numa Numa|Numa Numa]]''.
* The '''[[Meekometer]]''' (also known as a Meeko Unit, or simply Meeko) is a [[plushie]] [[Wikipedia:Units of measurement|unit of measurement]] used to calculate the relative size of a plush toy. One meekometer is roughly equal to 0.5 metric metre, or 20 standard inches.
* '''''[[Dook (sound)|Dook]]!''''' is the recognizable vocalization smaller members of the ''[[Wikipedia:Mustelidae|Mustelidae]]'' family make, and was also the name that the [[ArtVark]] art archive went by during its development stages.

==== 2 October ====

* '''[[Terry Knight]]''' (a.k.a [[Mayfurr]]) is an amateur [[furry artist]] and occasional writer residing in [[Wikipedia:Wellington|Wellington]], [[Wikipedia:New Zealand|New Zealand]]. His cartoon art has been published in several [[fanzines]] including ''[[Fur Visions]], [[YARF!]]'', and ''[[South Fur Lands]]''
* The '''[[National Association of Furry Fans]]''' ('''N.A.F.F''') was a semiserious proposal for a [[furry fandom]] recognized group that would have controlled and dispensed "legal" [[Furry]] ID cards/[[Badge]]s
* The '''[[Altani]]''' are a species of alien [[vulpines]] from the [[Other Suns]] [[science fiction]] [[role-playing]] game

==== 1 October ====

* '''''[[Here Comes a Candle]]''''' is an [[anthropomorphic]] graphic novel by [[Mary Hanson Roberts]], originally appearing as a serial in [[Furrlough]], later collected/reprinted as a single-volume trade paperback by [[Shanda Fantasy Arts]].
* A '''[[SPH]]''' ('''Strategically Placed Hole''') is a [[plushophile]] term for a modified hole or aperture added to a [[plushie]] toy for sexual purposes. Some [[fursuits]] have been known to have an "SPH" built into it for sexual or joke purposes, too.
* '''[[Chythar]]''' (RL Name '''Matthew Muench''') is a long-time [[furry fan]] and electronic games programer, former significant other to [[furry artist]] [[Manawolf]], who enjoys working on his Mustang and living in Los Angeles.

==== 30 September ====

* A '''[[Pong]]''' is an often comical and/or embarrassing, written [[IRC]] post or paragraph that has an obvious, non-intended, freudian slip. This term originated on the [[Yiffnet]] [[#furry]] channel, and they were so popular, both innuendo and mirth, that [[Tet Solfire]] started collecting the best in [[Tet's Pong Database]].

==== 24 September ====

* You can link to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] like this: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|text to show]]</nowiki>. Do this for articles that are not particularly furry-specific in nature.
* You can copy text from [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] to here; just put <nowiki>{{Wikipedia|name_of_their_page}}</nowiki> at the bottom. Do this for furry articles that need expanding.

[[Category:WikiFur featured content]]

[[de:WikiFur:Schon gewusst?]]

Template:Did you know

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*The '''[[Furry Broadcasting Corporation]]''' is a [[furry]] [[Wikipedia:Internet radio|internet radio station]] that was implemented in 2005 during the stop in production of [[2 Sense]], though the FBC became largely defunct in late 2009.
*'''[[Justa Lotta Animals]]''' is a team of [[anthropomorphic]] [[Animal|animals]] that were featured in stories published by [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] and served as a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Justice League of America|Justice League of America]] in their [[Wikipedia:Crisis on Infinite Earths|pre-Crisis]] form.
*'''[[Fursuit bowling]]''', an activity that involves people in [[Fursuit|fursuits]] attempting to bowl, is featured often at smaller [[Convention|conventions]] and there have been multiple bowl offs featured between [[Furries Vs. Klingons|Furries and Klingons]].
*'''[[Club Flex]]''', previously known as '''The Locker''', is an adult establishment on [[Second Life]] that promotes furry [[Wikipedia:bodybuilding|bodybuilding]] and [[Wikipedia:Muscle|muscular]] bodies, though the club is open to everyone regardless.
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User talk:GreenReaper

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== [[Sage Nadia]] ==

y'know man, you should really fix sage nadia's article.

I know this site's not known for being a reliable source of neutral point of view, but her article's really off the track. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:70.53.151.146|70.53.151.146]] ([[User talk:70.53.151.146|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.53.151.146|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

thanks and no problem...

-Hydrassas

== What is wrong with Cubist???? ==

Honestly, what is this person's problem? Their retort to my post is baffling to say that least - as if they're on the verge of insanity or something...

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Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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I ask you, is there ANYTHING in my post that could be considered an attack on Cubist? And do you know of any reason why Cubist would choose to launch an attack upon me?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:The simplest conclusion is that he is being honest - that the reason for his assertion is he believes you to be a [[Wikipedia:Internet troll#Concern troll|concern troll]]. I don't see any reason to suggest that he is implying that you made an attack on him - just that he strongly disagrees with you and suspects your motives. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

QUOTE CUBIST: '''Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy?'''

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:Right. He believes that your statements are overblown histronics. The form of his expression might be considered an attack on you, but does not imply that he felt that you attacked ''him'', as you said. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, Cubist is claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, do you not think?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, that is not the meaning of the term. He appears to believe that you do not actually support the same goals as the wiki, but are trying to subvert them by pretending that you do. For example, if giving people fair treatment was one of the goals of the wiki you might express concerns that Mozdoc is not getting fair treatment, thereby hoping to elicit sympathy from those who would otherwise have a neutral or negative opinion. The trouble with making such assertions is that people's motives are unknown to us without some external form of confirmation, therefore they are hard to prove or disprove. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The method Cubist used to do it is SO childish, it makes me wonder if I should just put him/her over me knee and spank him/her. :))

Mozdoc needs to learn to control his temper - I can sympathize with that. I also know how most of society can literally drive people like Mozdoc to such actions.

By only using punishment against him, we only further reinforce his behavior. That's not to say we should just give in and remove it to stop threats - just the opposite. HOWEVER, If it is removed, and you and the others make it CLEARLY known that
1 - it CAN be added in again should the threats resume.
2 - that it is being done for fairness sake.

I believe it will have a greater positive impact not only on the conflict but upon Mozdoc himself.

By the way, kindly take a look at my user page ;) :))
That should (hopefully) show we are two different peole - Mozdoc tends to simply open fire, wjile I tend to toy with those who make such pathetic attacks.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:As far as I know, the only person who has brought up the concept of you being the same person as Mozdoc is you. The assertions made by Cubist relate to the pursuit of similar goals while professing neutrality, not similar identity.

:I am unsure how much any of us can help Mozdoc. I've talked to him on several occasions and made no long-term progress. The whole reason the page is here in the first place is that counseling hasn't worked to stop the harassment of others in the fandom. As I understand it, its purpose isn't to coerce the subject into good behaviour (because punishment doesn't work), but to ameliorate the effects of his bad behaviour on others. The question is whether or not the real name is a requirement for this. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Content Concern ==

Hey dude! I have a suggestion that Wiki Fur needs to be kept PG rated as possible since we don't want people offended by nude and yiff images. I have to change an image from one of the articles here. Remember you have furries going to this site from all over the world and we need to respect them as much as we can. [[User:ChuongChoSoi|ChuongChoSoi]] 18:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Chuong. [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not censored for the protection of minors|WikiFur policy]] (like [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored|Wikipedia's policy]]) is that our content may be of any rating because of the variety of topics within the fandom. There are many topics of a mature nature, and some mature elements within other topic. We appreciate that there are differences in morals around the world, but we would rather not censor ourselves just to fit the more restrictive societies.

:Nevertheless, I thank you for changing the picture, not because the original picture was naked, but because I believe it is a better (more accurate) depiction of fat furs. That said, you do not appear to be the copyright holder, so I must ask you - did you obtain permission to use it from the author, [http://gokutothez.deviantart.com/ gokutothez]? If we are not talking about the specific character, it is not fair for us to use it without permission. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sage Nadia again ==

Why are things so slow around here? her article's been tagged as being a pile of biased shit (my own words) and yet any edit gets reverted to this steaming pile of turd. what's going on with you?

:The page is not protected. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you edit it yourself - and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Sage_Nadia&action=history recent edits] do not demonstrate the reversions that you claim. I am [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|somewhat preoccupied]] at the moment and cannot guarantee to give it any significant time in the near future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Entry: Thaily ==

Greetings Mr.GreenReaper,

I am writing this on behalf of Thaily Brimstone, her page, [[Thaily Brimstone]] has been restored. Could you please remove this and lock it down. She does not wish to have any article about her on this site.

Thank you for your understanding,

PeglaSkunk

:Please, call me Green. ;-)
:I have in fact just done this, after a conversation with Thaily over ICQ to clarify her intentions. The main issue was the percieved non-neutrality of excluding some pieces of information but not others; we're actually more comfortable with complete exclusion, and it seems so was Thaily, so everyone's happy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Assistance requested in adding "Rukario" to the list of fursuiters. ==

Good Evening GreenReaper:

I am looking for assistance in adding "Rukario" to the list of clickable fursuit links on Wikifur under the heading of "fursuit".

Any assistance that you can provide would be greatly apprecriated.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Prosperous Regards,

[[User:Rukario|Rukario]] 23:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Rukario - I moved the [[Rukario|page about you]] to the main namespace, and added the necessary categories. You should appear in [[:Category:Fursuiters]] now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

==message from RVDDP2501 - logged in==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry to bother you but something has been bugging me the last couple of days, I can never stay logged in on wikifur, everytime I revisit the site, I have to log back in and I can't figure out why? please let me know what is happening, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Something to do with your browser? You could try clearing out the cookies for wikia.com to see if that is the problem. They might have changed something on their end, though. I've not seen that problem recently myself. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Admissibility of [[Happy Feet]]-related articles ==

Hello,

When {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} created [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Diti&oldid=206809 this article] about me, I was pleased, of course. This event lead me to think more of the concept of this wiki, and it is actually very good. I now want to contribute on it as much as I do on Wikipedia.

I just wanted to know, since {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} wikified the word [[Happy Feet]], if we were allowed:
# To make an article about the [http://penguins.wikia.com/wiki/Happy_Feet_Fan_Forum Happy Feet Fan Forum], constituted by some furs, and perhaps more than we know. This page is under the GFDL as well, can I copy some informations from it? Where do the authors need to be credited? Talk page or article page?
# To put gigantic informations about this movie, a sort of analysis, and its application to the [[Furry fandom|fandom]]? Can we upload pictures, using the fair use act?

Thanks for your upcoming replies! :) [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:There's basically two options for the forum - either create [[Happy Feet]] and make the forum a subsection of that, or create [[Happy Feet Fan Forum]]. The normal thing to do is the latter - have a separate article for the forum. I would suggest tightening the language in the history section a little, though. It should concentrate on the facts, not subjective statements like "grew quickly" (how quickly?). The talk page should mention and link to the prior article.

:We tend not to do really huge articles about commercial works because Wikipedia does it better than us. We are not created to compete with them in their field of expertise - we would rather readers and editors went there instead. Therefore, what I would recommend is to make an article with an overview of the movie, but which concentrates ''specifically'' on the usage of Happy Feet within the furry fandom (which Wikipedia is not likely to cover), and then point people to [[Wikipedia:Happy Feet|Wikipedia's article]] in the "See also" section. Fair use is fine. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Blacklisted URL Causing Problems with Reverting Vandal Edit. ==

The Edit at [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069 http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069] shows blatant vandalism and was reported by my bot as made by a blacklisted user. The problem is there is a URL in the revert that is listed as one of Wikia blacklisted URLs and is preventing me from making the revert. Since you have the access level can you make the revert? [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please disregard this message I got the problem fixed on #wikia on Freenode. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Opening the door... ==

Question: How come there is an article on [[centaur]]s but not one on [[mermaid]]s? Recently, I was going to write a article about mermaids and I saw the log about it being deleted because it's "not furry". I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here but, a centaur is "top half human, lower half horse" (you know what I mean) and a mermaid is "half woman half fish" I seriously don't see the problem...

Is it because there are [[foxtaur]]s, [[skunktaur]]s and [[chakat]]s, and one would be very hard pressed to find a picture of a furry mermaid? Or because if an article on the mermaid is allowed, it'll open the door for articles on the lamia (half woman half snake), medusa, the harpy and anansi (part man, part spider I think)?

I'm confused... [[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 03:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

:Did you have a look at the past discussion on [[Talk:Mermaid]]? That might answer some of your questions. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realise that was a talk:Mermaid link...I still don't agree about why there isn't a mermaid entry though...[[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 22:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Toolbox in ru.wikifur.com ==
Hi, GreenReaper. Thank you for creating Wikifur.com itself and Russian language part! Toolbox on the left sidebar has wrong link to Upload file feature. It needs to be changed to [http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/Служебная:Upload Служебная:Upload].
As for now I have many questions to you about customization of ru.wikifur.com. Which way of contacting you is more appropriate for questions regarding ru.wikifur? (email, IRC, ICQ, maybe ru.talk page, any other) [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 07:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Ockham! My contact information is [http://greenreaper.livejournal.com/profile here] (make sure you are logged on). Email, IRC and/or ICQ is fine - I am always on the first two if awake. As for the images, the plan had been to upload all new images to the pool wiki, so that they could be used on all languages (like Wikimedia Commons) - but if you think that is not going to work I can change the link back. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])
One shared file repository is a good idea for saving server drive space. But motivation of anon users to register is lowered since no more extra feature of uploading files available. Ok, so be it. The second problem is russification of WikiFur namespace. ВикиФур: is counted like articles and may appear in Random articles. For example ru.wikipedia Википедия: is counted the same as in en.wikipedia Wikipedia:. [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 15:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, the disk space is not so important as the time. It takes work to translate a page. If you have to upload all of the images in it as well, that is more work. I would like to avoid that work for most images. People still need to register to use the image pool (but we would like to make it be just one registration for all WikiFur in the near future). If there is any interface text that needs to be changed on the pool wiki to help Russian contributors, I would be glad to do so. Images can still be uploaded locally by going directly to Special:Upload.
:The problem with ВикиФур: is that ВикиФур was not the name of the project namespace. WikiFur was, because that was the site name, and by default the site name is the name of the project namespace. I have changed the name of the site to ВикиФур and adjusted the database so that the pages already created are in the project namespace rather than the main namespace. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Google Analytics ==

I would have Google Analytics in my wikia wiki ([[:w:c:ilercavonia|Ilercavònia]]), what can I do? Can you help me, please??? Thank you very much! [[Usuari:Ebrenc| → ebrenc]] 10:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing to do is probably to ask community@wikia.com to enable the additional Analytics account for the wiki. You should set up an Analytics account and tell them the user ID that needs to be used, and the wiki that it is to be on. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Article deletion ==

I was wondering if you could delete [[User:Nekonaru Letao]] and [[Nekonaru Letao]]. I don't really want/need them anymore, and I'm trying to cut down the amount of information about me. If I just edit it out, it can be found in previous versions, but if it's deleted, then it's a bit harder to find.

[[User:Nekonaru Letao|Nekonaru Letao]] 18:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I can help you with this. Your User page is your area so it can be handled how you like. Your article can be handled under the [[WikiFur:PE|personal exclusion]] policy. If you change your mind, or a lesser exclusion would be acceptable(for instance, excluding the real name only), let any admin know. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 18:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== People blanking own articles - explanation template? ==

Hey there GreenReaper,

I just wanted to ask one thing: I think we all know that many people often just blank their own articles, either not knowing or not caring about exclusions. As far as I know this behavior is not really wanted by anyone of us, thus my question here: As those people have to be told about the possibility of an exclusion after they blanked their article without knowing, it is always somehow necessary to tell them, explain and direct them to the correct pages. so, is there maybe any template containing this informations, that could just be added to a user's talkpage AFTER they tried blanking their own article? This would make explaining easier and much faster I guess.
I think that'd be a nice idea, just as a suggestion of mine. Have a nice day, greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 07:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think there is one at this time. You're welcome to start one, and add it to [[WikiFur:Templates]]! Just remember, it can be a good idea to personalize the information and often it's better to try and follow up with them directly rather than leaving a note on their talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Finding all pages linking to an article ==

Hey there, just another question from me. I know that, of course, it's important to change all links if you moved an article to a new name so everything keeps working fine. Thus my question: Is is somehow possible to see all pages linking to a specific article, like it is shown at uploaded pictures? Or which way can this be handled otherwise, as I think just searching for the corresponding word in the article search is not working very well. Thanks for your answer in advance. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 11:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi, RealZero. The toolbox on the left side of the page should have What links here. It leads to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:GreenReaper and should work for any page--just put that page name after the final slash. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ahh, stupid me proved his blindness again I guess. Thanks very much for the answer *bows*. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 19:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== file-template ==

The german version of the file-upload -page mentions a template named
"Dateiinfo" to be used. That template does not exist and it is strange to find one with a german name here.
Could this be a mistake my owolf, trying to add it to de.furry.wikia.com instead? --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:It is odd . . . that page was not created by any user, but instead has been set as the default for that message in German on all wikis. In fact, it is incorrect in several ways (for example, it is not just free images that should be uploaded). If you can to translate the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext|English one]], I would be glad to put that on instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::I added a translation to my talk-page. --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== ru.wikifur ==
Registered =^.^=
# can I has admeen rollez plz? :))
# interwiki works from ru to en but not the other way?
# how do we transfer images from here to commons? There are quite a few that we need to share. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 13:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I also have this question regarding file transfert on WikiFur Commons (how do we name this website, by the way?). Is that possible to keep '''image''' history while transferring? Also, what about '''page''' history, that we have to ''export'' then ''import'' (which requires sysop rights on Commons) to not to violate GFDL license? [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:#Yes, just be careful with them. No running with scissors!
:#<s>It does for now, yes. I will ask. In the worst case, we can fix it up fairly easily with [[metawikipedia:pywikipediabot|pywikipediabot]] at a later date.</s> es: and ru: have now been added on furry.wikia.com. I will be using [[User:ReaperBot]] to apply interwiki links.
:#I recommend using pywikipediabot's [[metawikipedia:imagetransfer.py|imagetransfer.py]] using [http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:Wikifur-family.py wikifur-family.py]. It adds a digest of page history for GFDL compliance. I have enabled sysop access, though you may create a bot account if you prefer (let me know and I will add it to the bot group).
:Right now, it is called the pool wiki, or the shared image wiki. There has also been a suggestion of calling it the furpile, though I am unsure whether that would work or not. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==request from RVDDP2501 - name change==

Hey GreenReaper, i'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could change a article name for me, can you change the 'Eve' article - http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Eve - to 'Eve Mahn' - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1635852/ - I'll be updating the picture shortly, thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Polish wikifur ==

Simple question. What i have to do to lunch a polish version of wikifur?

:''Handled in chat. For anyone else interested in starting a new language, just grab me in #wikifur or otherwise get in contact and we can sort it out.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

В моей стране, вы будете здесь, чтобы сделать этот сайт [[Special:Contributions/94.117.88.218|94.117.88.218]] 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well, we already have a [[:ru:|Russian WikiFur]]. Fortunately there are people who live there who are helping to make it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== /index.php? ==

Thanks for spotting that redirect problem - you're right that fullurl should have been used, but I've also fixed our .htaccess files so it shouldn't happen again. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Of course, that won't be necessary when the move is complete - in fact I think it will have to be undone then. So was it really necessary? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe not, but I said it would work before and after the move, and I like to keep my promises about such things. Plus, it only took a few minutes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inserted redirects to templates instead of regular template. ==

Hey there GreenReaper,
I have a question regarding templates in articles: 
Many articles, like for example [[Gathering of the Gargoyles]] have some kind of redirect-text to a template in them, in this case for the inappropriate template, instead of the actual template "image". Is this some kind of error and should be changed if one comes across them, or does this actually has some kind of sense? Thanks in advance for your answer, I hope I haven't missed anything obvious again. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 15:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

:{{tl|Appropriate}} was moved to {{tl|Inappropriate}} without changing the template pages which redirected to {{tl|Appropriate}} as well. Templates only follow redirects once. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[:es:Central WikiFur|Central WikiFur]] ==

There are almost [[:es:Special:Longpages|150 articles]] on the wiki right now - are any of them good enough to show or link on the front page? You could look at how the other wikis have done it; there are many ways. [[:es:Usuario:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] 09:50 9 nov 2008 (UTC)

:I'm working on the new design of the front page. I'm trying to take the best from the Russian model and apply it to the English model (the fact that I don't know Russian is not stopping me). --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 21:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==?==
Was the cake is a lie the same dude from wikia that was vandalising Charitwo's user page? [[User:GroceryBag|G]][[User Talk:GroceryBag|B]] 21:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:All signs point to yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

How about reconsidering me or just flat out removing and getting rid of the entire article about me? I'm sick of being a part of WikiFur, I've told you countless times that I do not want my name on here, please remove me.

--Mozdoc

==SVG==
What version of ImageMagick is installed on the WikiFur servers? I just tried to rasterize http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Argentina.svg locally with ImageMagick 6.3.7 and it works like a charm. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:Version: ImageMagick 6.4.4 2008-10-21 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2008 ImageMagick Studio LLC. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

::Turns out my local install of ImageMagick was using the rsvg libraries. So that's the reason the conversion worked fine.
::I just tried a locally-compiled version on some flags, and found that most do not render correctly (except very simple ones, such as the [[wikipedia:Commons:Image:Flag of Italy.svg|flag of Italy]]). Should I upload correctly-rendered PNG flags instead of the SVG files? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 02:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Would probably be the easiest solution. Rendered versions can be lifted from Wikipedia's previews. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== hay ==

what's up

i went to this link: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:GreenReaper

and it gave me this:

"Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable
Guru Meditation:

XID: 401948741
Varnish"

;_;

:Yeah, it does that sometimes. Wikia's caching software is still slightly unstable. Try forcing your browser to refresh the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::ok cool thx it works now i can see --entitythatwrotethemessage

== Greeting ==

Hi! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Ddevore|Ddevore]] ([[User talk:Ddevore|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ddevore|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:Welcome! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== DNP Request ==

Hello Greenreaper, I understand you are in charge of this website. I wish to have my entry (under the alter ego "BullGator") deleted, locked and added to your site's "DNP" equivalent due to a pair of trolls who are continuing to vandalise the entry. As my involvement in the furry community has now evolved to virtual zero and I have no interest in childish edit wars, I look forward to instructions as to how a DNP request is to be formally undertaken.
[[User:BullGator|BullGator]] 09:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I have posted the exclusion request on the talk page, and will perform the exclusion proper within 24 hours unless further debate arises. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Automatic spam filter blocking edit ==

Hey there Green Reaper, 
I wanted to edit the article [[Furry Hosting]] and change the links at the bottom so that they actually link to the website. The problem here is, that the wiki's automated spam filter blocks the given URL. Could you somehow link the links or tell me what to do about this? Thanks in advance, greetings [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 22:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:I've added it to [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|the whitelist]] and edited the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Featured picture ==

Darn you Reaper! I was just editing that! Now I know what it feels like to be you! {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 01:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dill Eat my page ==

Hello. I am Hamsterchan. Or hamster...or thegreathamster...or Sabbath Da Frog....I would really appreciate if you could delete "Sabbath Da Frog"'s page, please. Its no longer desired. Any other links I made to my comics needs to go, too. I'm sure you need the bandwidth. Thank you. -[[User:Hamsterchan|Hamsterchan]]

:''Responded in email''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Frida Åhman Article ==

Greetings. I tried to remove my article, as I no longer wish to be on this site, but it got reverted. Could you please exculde me? I haven't been active in the fandom for a very long time, and probably won't be any time soon. [[User:Gnistra|Gnistra]] 12:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Done, much belatedly. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==Happy Holidays!==
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! [[User:Fangusu|Fangusu]] 15:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pool not working? ==

See my change: [[Love_Can_Be_Different]]. Worked in RU but not here... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 00:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:That is because the pool is not used by Wikia-hosted wikis. You must upload the image here as well. This limitation will only be removed once migration has been completed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:: Also, stuff from Wikicommons does properly show on Pool, but not on RU? -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Not really sure where you got that idea. It shouldn't show up anywhere, because we're not linked to Wikimedia Commons. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::: Oh I got it. Somebody helpfully uploaded Image:Red copyright.svg from commons to here... I was wondering because my [[:Template:Message box]] designs from wiki* started working here magically... But! The main question was: why copyright image shows on http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Simba_pic.jpg and not on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? The image is in the pool, so it puzzles me... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::: Well, it does show up for me. :-) Maybe you need to force a refresh/clear cache? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Again, you sure the '''red ©''' shows in the message box on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? Doesn't for me, and I tried it in IE and it turns out it tries to get http://ru.wikifur.com/w/images/thumb/1/1d/Red_copyright.svg/60px-Red_copyright.svg'''.png''' -- which is weird... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Ah, I see what you mean. No, it is not visible, the template is pointing to a local URL (that's the thumbnail for the image). Looks like a MediaWiki bug. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: So can you please investigate? I believe it works on wikipedia cluster. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 16:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners protection ==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry if this may seem overboard but I was wondering if it would be possible to try and protect the Extinctioners wiki article as I have just learned in recent hours that everything extinctioners as been 'attacked' by a hacker(s), everything from Yahoo groups being deleated to Shawntae Howard's own FA & DA acounts being wiped clean. I hope I don;t come across as acting paranoid but from the looks of things, it seems some one is gunning for Extinctioners and the wiki article could be a target, you can read the report/forum on FA here - http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=35514 - Please let me know what you feel should be done, thank you and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ah ok I see, thanks, I guess I was a little worried that if someone could hack their way into FA, DA and the yahoo groups and mess around to the extent they did, they could do something permanent here as well, I guess I was a little jumpy, thanks again and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Help with image ==

Hi there,

I uploaded a few images of my fursuits, but didn't realize under after I'd done it that "rat.jpg" and "panther.jpg" was far too general a file name - is there any way to change the names? Or, is there any way to delete these files so I can re-upload them with more appropriate names?

Also, I hope this is where I'm supposed to ask this, I'm not very wiki-savvy.

Thanks,
--[[User:Wggthegnoll|Wgg the Gnoll]] 18:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sure, I've deleted those for you. There's no way to move images at this time, although I understand that functionality is being developed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Webring ==

Hi,

Please advise why you dumped my Webring code. I put it back, because I thought it was a great idea to have the Hyper Police page in the Hyper Police Ring. I didn't even know that this place existed until I did a Hyper Police search and I am sure that there are lots of others that don't know about it either, so a Webring is a great way to bring more traffic here. I hope you will let me keep it here. Also, I have seen other Webrings on here.

Thank you,

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 03:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:A webring is not useful for a wiki article on a topic because it is basically a replacement for a set of links. These links should instead be placed in the article's external links section of the article if they are of sufficient relevance and contain useful information, and not linked at all if they are not.

:Webrings were great for finding relevant sites ten years ago. They're pretty much redundant with search, now. If you find one on here, you are welcome to replace it with specific links to useful websites on the ring. We're not interested in being part of any. If websites find us useful, they're welcome to link directly if they wish.

:We do cover them at [[:Category:Web rings]], but only because the more long-running webrings have become valid encyclopedic topics by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your reply.

I have been involved with Webring ever since its inception and I find it quite insulting of you to put down all my hard work with them like that. I run some 40 rings, myself and have lots of friends there. I feel very sad that you don't welcome us here...

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 04:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Noriko

:I'm sorry, but it is my honest opinion. We're here to provide information. A webring that you just created provides no additional value over direct links to the relevant sites. It is therefore redundant and so was removed from the article.

:I also feel it is inappropriate for us to be part of webrings that relate to our article content, as it implicitly promotes a particular group of websites related to that topic. We do not participate in link exchanges or banner trading either. The links we provide are based solely on the quality of the sites' content, and are not for sale or exchange. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== RL name linked against noted wishes ==

Sebkha apparently put my truename on and it redirects to Zjonni. The notes on Zjonni expressly say I don't want that, but it appears this was done a month before the do-not-want note and not caught when I put the note up. I can edit the redirect page, but cannot apparently, erase it. Can you kindly make it go away?

Thanks!

Feel free to mail me if you aren't sure which page I am talking about.

:It has been removed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

==Frank Gembeck==

I think we need a second opinion on some edits to [[Frank Gembeck]] - see discussion in [[User talk:86.164.155.151]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:We have removed similar law enforcement not deemed furry in the past (I just wipe [[Sibe]] ones, as noted by the original op). Some kind of notice of his "departure" from the fandom and the law should be noted - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::FYI... The discussion in question has been moved to [[Talk:Frank Gembeck]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Page removal ==

Hello, I'd like for you to please remove http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/A%C3%AFda_de_Ridder

I do no longer draw furries or am associated with the fandom, so please remove me.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:77.166.162.214|77.166.162.214]] ([[User talk:77.166.162.214|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/77.166.162.214|contribs]]) .

:''Confirming identity via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Another name ? ==

Hello GreenReaper.
I'm Kiba the Fox, an user from the french-speaking WikiFur, and a member of Francefurs. I'd like to change my WikiFur nickname, would it be possible ?

[[User:Kiba the Fox|Kiba the Fox]] 08:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Kiba! It is not possible for me to change your user nickname on Wikia-hosted wikis. However, you can create another account and then put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[User:Your new name]]</nowiki> on it to direct people to that account. Bear in mind that usernames are shared through all wikia.com sites, so your new name will need to be distinctive. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
: Okay, I've just created my new account. Thanks ! ;)
[[User:Benjamin Foxtails|Benjamin Foxtails]] 09:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thanks ^^ i look forward to talking to you more.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys,

I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!

Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys, I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!
Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

:I'll have a chat with them . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thankyou ^^

== Suspicious new account activity ==

There have been several recent new user accounts with names that look fishy to me, and I'd suggest being on our guard that their originator may be setting up to spam the site or launch a bot attack. Do you have the ability to run an IP trace on their origins? Do you think it would be overreacting to preemptively block them?

The accounts in question:
*{{user|CaoloRicro}}
*{{user|SitboDarle}}
*{{user|DomgeTcaer}}
*{{user|CzelbOcoue}}
*{{user|OucaaClicb}}
*{{user|LaeltOuelr}}
*{{user|RolorLiboc}}
*{{user|LiccoErdel}}
*{{user|DeldeLouli}}
*{{user|LetocAtatr}}
*{{user|ChizeLmonc}}
*{{user|RaczeLlido}}
*{{user|TacamOnerd}}
*{{user|AlgetDomno}}
*{{user|OlolaRacca}}
*{{user|NoeltLinod}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:Several people have mentioned this now. I'll check it out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::Sounds good. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Multiple registrations and proxies. Block'd. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::There seem to be quite a lot of non-active, new account creations in May, specially in the last two weeks - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like we have some more coming in. Could you run Checkuser on these guys?:
*{{user|MontaOuouc}}
*{{user|CadomChino}}
*{{user|VizelBocac}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'll contact the necessary people at Wikia, as that requires staff access. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Same user agent, and an unusual one. Blocked. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Zillercon 10 ==

you might could add zillercon 10 to the list on the mainpage. ;) -- ><)))°>

:Done! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

*giggle*.... its in austria. not in australia. thats a slightly difference of 10000 miles. :)

:Well, if they are so different they should not be named so similarly! :-p --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Delete page ==

Hello, My name is Jarett Humphrey. I am a board of director for Helping Pawz. A page has been added to WikkiFur with out our permission and I need it to be deleted. Helpiing Pawz is not a furry group and has no furry association. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Please reply to me by e-mail as I do not have a wikkifur page.

Jarett
''email address removed''

:''Replying by email. Readers should note that the advance permission of subjects is neither sought nor required for WikiFur articles, particularly for public non-profit organizations.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:: ''Helpiing Pawz ... has no furry association.''
:: What nonsense. Many (if not all) of the performers are members of the furry fandom ([[Kodi_(Canada)|1]], [[Orwin|2]], [[Thumper|3]], [[Lace Aurora|4]], [[Aphinity|5]], etc), and they have worn their costumes at several furry conventions.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::The point does remain that they're allowed to have themselves excluded, though, Higgs. Just like lots of other furs and groups have requested, But, just throwing that out there. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

::::There is a big difference between an individual and a registered association. Note also that the people making the edits to our articles about the performers did not appear to be the individuals concerned, but a representative of the association, who is not permitted to assert any exclusion rights for those pages. I think we have since found an option that may satisfy them, though; see the [[Talk:Helping Pawz|relevant talk page]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Page: [[Raykese]] ==

Hey, GR. I tried undoing a blanking on the page [[Raykese]], suggesting that user Slicktified contact an admin about getting it removed instead. He instead re-blanked the page. Is there something we can do about this? --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:I deleted the page because it was already marked as potentially inappropriate and I agreed. To answer the more general question, we'll be getting [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] shortly that should allow an automated response to that kind of action. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Innacuracy posted by a troll ==

There is a person who posted a paragraph that needs refuted for inaccuracy. This person is a troll from YouTube that several times has twisted peoples words and used them out of context. The link to the user's page (which contains the info in question) is furry.wikia.com/wiki/Paxil_rose

As a side note i need to state that paxilrose is a banned youtube troll who would argue with furries for months. His original account was youtube.com/user/paxilrose. If you check that link you will see he was put on permanent suspension. Also paxilrose isn't even a furry, so why should he have a wikifur page anyway unless it was strictly to talk just about him and nobody else? This isn't TrollWiki or ED. Accuracy and Cleanness exist here.

The middle paragraph about wolfeedarkfang, is inaccurate. Heres several things i can find wrong with it just by glancing.

"a profile on BeastForum was found belonging to Wolfee Darkfang"
This was never proven. He wishes it was though, and will say and do anything to make it look like it.

"Wolfee created various sockpuppet accounts"
This was also never proven. You can't tell who is who on the internet without seeing their faces. The problem here is he wants it to look like anyone who sticks up for me on YouTube is a fake so that it looks like i have no real supporters in his drama.

A little commentary. This doesn't have to account for anything but I want to quote this.
"paxilrose joined Fur Affinity forums to regal furries with tales of his exploits and to offer warnings to those who may take the furry fandom too serious"
I've been told throughout the years by other furs that FAF has been taken over by trolls for some time. So a troll goes to a furry forum taken over by trolls to get the furries to stop being trolled while also trolling furries himself in the past... Sounds like more of the same old stuff. >.<

[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 21:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:The appropriate venue for this conversation is [[Talk:Paxil rose]]. I suggest you post comments there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I find Darkfangs request to be out of line. As stated, this is a fairly well known scandal involving him, and thus is as relevant as the Furry War page. The pictures are accurate accounts of events (the profile and admission, respectively) and I will point out Darkfangs own user page for additional information, since he's written quite a bit on the subject himself with far less references. Given that this is openly a user edited wiki, I strongly disagree that "unauthorized" use of his name is even an issue.

I also want to cite the user page of the furry known as Sibe. This individual has quite a negative reputation based on his actions, yet somehow these actions are deemed relevant enough to warrant being added to his page. The same standards should be held for Wolfee Darkfang. I, however, am at least giving him the privilege of not having it on his primary page (though if Sibe's antics are somehow important enough to be allowed on his page, I think the same should go for Darkfang).

If relevance to my page is the only cocnern, I'd be more than happy to make a new page for it. However, the admins of this site should make themselves clear whether this is an issue of relevance in regards to certain pages, or whether they believe some controversial members actions are acceptable material to mention and others are not and why they think that is. --Paxilrose 16:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The point is the article needs to be strictly about you, and not me. I do not wissh information to be here about me unless i authorize it's presence. especially when it's written by a known troll who has it out for me.
[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 17:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)Wolfeedarkfang

Excuse me Mr Fang, but I do believe you yourself use your page to defame "furry haters" Empiroqkriticizmus and Jumpacliff2. I assume you got their permission before putting them there?

Other than that, I stand by my original statements. The sections as relevant as the furry war and far less slanderous than the Sibe article. You know as well as I that I can and will go out and source every other sentence in the article, so inaccuracy isn't the issue either.--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== User registration IP lookup ==

How does someone with regular admin privs like me look up the IP address that a new user registered from? Or is that a capability that is only available to "super-admins" and wikia support? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:On Wikia, the [[metawikipedia:Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] privilege is reserved to staff. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

==Request to send a private message==

I have something in regards to my "inaccurate" page I believe will help my case, but would like to hand it off to you privately so that it can't be deleted before you get a chance to see if. How would I go about giving this to you?--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

==WikiTrust greenreaper?==

If this is the same person who posted http://code.google.com/p/wikitrust/issues/detail?id=29 [email removed to avoid spam] would like to contact you.
:''Responded via email'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Returning to WikiFur ==

Hello. A while back I requested to have my name put on the personal exclusion list. I would like to have that removed, so I can re-post my article. No hurry, but thank you for help.
--[[User:Patrickrobbins|Patrickrobbins]] 01:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''Confirming via registered email account.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Reply to "Cut the fluff" ==

Quentin "editor of ANTHRO" Long here. Thank you for looking over ANTHRO and offering suggestions on how to reduce the zine's download time! Alas, three of your five suggestions are out of the question, and one of the remaining two may or may not be fully usable...
:Well, one is a lot better than none! I suspect the first two will be no trouble, and fortunately they would also have the most impact.
Enable GZip compression: If this can be fine-tuned to ''not'' mess with graphics, I like it a lot. Since I make a point of tryna reduce the filesize of graphic images just because, I am unsure how much more "hot air" ''can'' be squoze out of the zine's graphics WITHOUT mucking up the visual quality thereof. Also, it's worth noting that compressing a compressed file tends to yield results ranging from "insignificantly small additional reduction" to "BOOSTED filesize"... Anywho, I will look into this. Regardless of the effects on graphics, ''text'' (such as HTML files) compresses down ''real'' good, so this may be a win no matter what.
:Normally you would scope it to the file types you wanted to cover (e.g. HTML/CSS/JS, and ''not'' any compressed images or other files) - see [http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/05/10/use-mod_deflate-to-compress-web-content-delivered-by-apache/ here] for an example.
Enable far-future cache control expiry: Sounds interesting, and whatever downsides it may have are, at the very least, highly inobvious. I am unsure how to do this thing (my webhost is GoDaddy, for what that's worth), but I will look into it.
:You could ask them - it's likely that you can add an Apache directive or two to a .htaccess file in the directory concerned (and that's probably the way you'd end up enabling gzip as well). An example of WikiFur's expiry settings:
<LocationMatch ^/favicon\.(ico|png)$>
ExpiresActive On
ExpiresDefault A34560000
</LocationMatch>
Use styled text in place of graphic headers: Not gonna happen. I want my titles to be Avant Garde Bold with seriously tight kerning; given the brute fact that it's a crapshoot whether or not J. Random Websurfer even ''has'' AGB installed on his machine in the first place, let alone whether or not his browser can do letterspacing properly, I think graphic-text titles are the least-worst way to ensure that ''every'' reader gets to see the titles the way said titles are ''supposed'' to be.
:If not for the fact that MSIE uses a proprietary font embedding format instead of plain TrueType/OpenType like everyone does, there would be a less worse way to ensure a reasonable number of reader can see the custom font. In the meantime, [[wikipedia:en:sIFR]] seems to be a neat hack. --<ruby><rb lang="ja">[[User:NekoYasha|猫夜叉]]</rb><rp>「</rp><rt style="font-size:6pt">[[User_talk:NekoYasha|ネコヤシャ]]</rt><rp>」</rp></ruby> 16:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Replace graphic elements with CSS: Not gonna happen. CSS works very well indeed whenever it ''does'' work... but when it doesn't, God only knows what you may end up with on your screen. From where I sit, CSS is a crapshoot and I just don't want to roll that pair of dice.
:Fair enough. Just understand the cost - the user has to download all those images. The cost can be reduced by combining images into a CSS sprite and using background-position to specify a portion of it for the image element, but that of course requires that you use CSS.
Convert main logo to PNG: Not gonna happen. One of my standard browsers ''crashes on contact with PNG-format graphics files.'' Yes, this browser is seriously old. If you think I should blow off those readers who ''aren't'' using This Year's Latest And Greatest Browser, well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree, is all.
:I'm confused - are you referring to ''Internet Explorer 4''? The one which [http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp last had a noticeable percentage of users] in 2002? IE6 isn't the best with alpha-blended PNGs (though there are workarounds), but for GIF-replacement you just need to save them as indexed-mode (256-color) PNGs anyway. Sites like Yahoo and Wikipedia (and WikiFur) use such images right on the front page.
:I suggest looking at what browsers your users are actually using - if you have log files, they should be able to provide this information. For this site, IE versions older than IE6 have less than 0.05% of the audience, and all of them are IE5. We get more visits from the PlayStation 3, and I didn't even know that ''had'' a web browser. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Tipp ==
I'd be glad to post irc logs of him harssing me and my friends on various networks. He seems to do the same. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:WikiFur is not intended as a primary source. Please post them elsewhere and provide links, perhaps on the talk page associated with the article. Bear in mind that we may have a different idea of what constitutes harassment, especially given that you seem to be attempting to escalate the conflict through your editing. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

: That's not true at all. If you want a wiki based on truth, you may as well mention the truth, no matter how ugly it is. You have articles on [[Sibe]] harassing and trolling others... Tipp is just another in a long line of furs that hate other furs. I'll post the logs on my website, and use those as references. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::Take it to [[Talk:Tipp]] the talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Already done. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== from forza ==
LOL sorry about the size i got carried away!
Can I make a history/story page and link to it from within the wiki page for the character?
:We're not really a story hosting site - and you probably wouldn't want us to be, either, as all the stuff on here is editable. If you really want, you could login and create a page at [[User:Forza Ninetails/History]] (click the link to create it). But what would probably be best is to make it into a story and then post it on somewhere like [[Yiffstar]]/[[Anthrostar]], [[Fur Affinity]] or [[FurRag]], then summarize the events in the story and make a link to it so that people can read more if they want. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks GreenReaper. I have to go to work in a few minutes but I'll do that tomorrow when I wake up :> thanks for the links!

== from steam ==
Hi I know you get rogue edits on here, and I am sure its a pain cleaning them up, I just wanted to bring up an issue that was half resolved to which I had no idea of.

Either a troll or the guy who uses the same name as me posted all his about him over mine, and I have been cleaned up and given this ugly tag saying my location, now while I understand you need to separate furs to build up the wiki, I do not believe another fur should lay take to a name I have been using since recorded at 12/1/2007 in Second Life but generally before this in real life.

Also it turns out I registered at furaffinity 3 days after him but could only use the name steampunkgears or I would have used steam, I have seen to have been a fur from 2006 in Second Life.

Now generally I take this issue as one of identity fraud and because I have registered here as steam before him and because this wiki is taken as a form of registration on furs and information I want my URL put back to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Steam not http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Steam_%28United_Kingdom and I would like it locked so only I can edit it.

The URL has been changed into a This is a disambiguation page — a navigational aid which lists pages that might otherwise share the same title. If an article link referred you here, you might want to go back and fix it to point directly to the intended page.

But I do not accept Steam Furrys would use that title and I do not accept that steam the game software needs to be published on a furry wiki the only issue is one of rights and hes proved he has no rights to that name due to trying to force his way in though my page posting about himself.

These are quotes from what he added about himself or what ever.

"Steam is not to be confused with the superior and much more sexy/charming/awesome/origional Steam, who is just all around better than this lion thing. raccoons ftw."

"He however contains Lion tendencies and when needed can stand up for himself, unless confronted by a certain raccoon who has like freaky robot stuff everywhere, whats up with that? Can you even call that a fursona? Damn right you can, cause whos going to argue with a guy who's left nostril can second in use as a mixed drink dispenser? certainly not me. "

4chan?

"The all around better Steam who isnt a lion is a former mod of 4chan from 2005-2007. I know what you're thinking HELL YA LETS GET DRUNK AND FUCK CATS! however unlike the lion, raccoon Steam looks down on such behavior and prefers to drink unsweetened teas and black coffee. Why unsweetened? because raccoon steam had his sweet tastebuds ripped off by a freezer, thats why. wanna fight about it?"

"The other steam owns a fucking bar, a biker bar. You want to mess with a bunch of drunk bikers? yes you do, they arent that bad once you get over the assless chaps."

Is this a troll or the real guy or is this him being retarded? and ego tripping about himself and using another account to do it. To which I see is not banned due to griefing me through my own all ready established profile.

You could also say I am ego tripping but I do not have an ego lol, only a personal fursona I have been building and evolving since before 2006 recorded via sl registration as a fur.

If you can not fulfill this request please do at least see what or who has been forceing all that into my profile with the alt account? because I do not aggree with disrespect like that when he could have left me a message and we could have worked it out.

At this point if it was his IP that edited his stuff in either on an alt or his new profile, this is unacceptable to allow to continue.

The bottom line is I was here before him and if he was using steam before me, I do not accept it was in the tense of a fursona, or he would have been on here before me.

[[User:Steam_(United_Kingdom)|Steam_(United_Kingdom)]]

== Full Control Over MY page ==

I want full and complete control over my page here so that I may be the only one to edit it.

--Mozdoc

== Username Change Request ==

Hiya! You know I've been wanting to do this for quite some time, so here I am. I'd like to change my username to "Softpaw", please :-) -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 09:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yay! Thank you so much :-D -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 11:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::Also, may I update my old signatures in my prior Talk posts to reflect the change? I'm not a fan of redirects. -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 15:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::That's fine as far as I'm concerned. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Please merge ==

Please merge Meow of Chita into Meow. >.<
:Already done! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Preview ==

Thanks for the advise =)! I pretty much already click "show preview" before saving what I'm happy with but I make a lot of changes in my editing. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by the page history, could you please explain this a little further? I'm new to Wikifur so the more I know the better and it helps to chat with someone who has experience in this =3.

Thanks!

-Wolven Claw
:Each page has its own history - click the "history" tab at the top to see. You can use it to go forwards and backwards in the revisions, seeing what's changed. All changes are listed in the global recent changes linked on the left, and people will often check the revisions that have been made. It's easier to do that if these are all made in one go, as far as possible. If you want some help, I'd suggest dropping into [[Special:IRC|IRC]], as there's usually someone around there. Oh, and you can sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, giving a result like this: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Citations for Roma-V ==
Hello, on my page there are certain areas with [citation needed]. How do I change this? Do I need to provide proof of actions, and if so, how can I do that.
Thanks ^.^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Roma-V|Roma-V]] ([[User talk:Roma-V|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roma-V|contribs]]) .
:Well, that's a good question - I'm not sure it's something we'd cover at all unless it had some kind of documented proof, as it's not exactly complimentary. :-) Maybe LJ posts or logs? You can add a reference link like this . . . [continued on talk] --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== RSS? ==

Hiya! I was trying to update my newsreader for the new Wikifur, only to find that there's no RSS feed here. Will one be added/enabled? And if not, why? -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 15:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes there is. Go to [[Special:Recentchanges]] - they're linked in the sidebar - or just alter your current URLs to have a /w/ at the front. They are not published in every page because the link then takes up space in every page, even when the vast majority of people don't know about it or don't want it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Rollback Privileges/Usergroup ==

Hello again! Sorry for all the messages on your talk page, but this seems to be the most effective way to reach you about Wikifur-related stuff. Anyway, the rollback usergroup doesn't seem to exist, so I no longer have rollback privileges. Thus, I tried to undo some vandalism on the Transformers article, only to find that there's a spam-listed URL, and regular Undo can't be used. -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 07:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nice. I've made the group again. Your privileges were transferred, they just weren't active because it doesn't exist. And talk pages are the right place. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Contact info ==

Hi. I couldn't find an email address to contact the administrators for this site. Could you please provide me with one? I need to get in touch with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mickel|Mickel]] ([[User talk:Mickel|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mickel|contribs]]) .
:You can just [[Special:EmailUser/GreenReaper|drop me an email]] if you are logged in with an account that has an email address [[Special:Preferences|set and verified]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Camp Feral! and Feral! 2010 ==

Heyas! I'm not very good at this...I created a page with info on Feral! 2010 but am unsure how to add the link to the right-side box with dates from 1998 to 2009...any other advice you could offer regarding updating a page like the Camp Feral! page would be greatly appreciated :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Potoroo|Potoroo]] ([[User talk:Potoroo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Potoroo|contribs]]) .
:Hey, Potoroo - welcome to WikiFur! The page to edit is [[Template:Feral]] - you can just copy the last two lines before the footer. In general, if it's <nowiki>{{X}}</nowiki> on the page, you edit <nowiki>[[Template:X]]</nowiki>. If you need any more [[help]], let me know. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners Image licensing information ==

Hey GreenReaper, I need your help, because of the licensing information useing on the extinctioners image, an RPG magazine or something has gone and used extinctioners images found here onwikifur, i need you help to change the information so that the image are protected and not fair use, all information about this matter can be found here - http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/936790/ - I have spoken to shawntae on FA to which the licensing should be more like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marvelwolverine.jpg - please tell me what I should do, I wish to resolve this matter before it gets any worse, I really need your help on this - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:OK. I had a chat with the OTRS guys who can see that ticket, and they state that it was a murky "Sure, you have permission to use this on Wikipedia" email. As no license was specified, the original upload under GFDL was invalid, so there is no problem with you removing it. You should go through each of the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=RVDDP2501&namespace=6 images you have uploaded] and replace the ConfirmationImageOTRS tag with a fair-use one. You probably want this to be {{tl|fursona}} (or in a few cases {{tl|comic-panel}}). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, you do not need to do this. I have set a bot to do it for you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you so much! I have sent a message to Shawntae on FA informing him of your changes, I will let you know what he says and if this hopefully set things right - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 10:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Second edit not vandalism. ^^ ==

My second edit wasn't vandalism.
Both links in the Chew Fox article linking to the two seperate journal entries on FA have the SAME url.
I saved the URL of the original journal before FA went down.
My edit was simply fixing the URL to the correct one, albeit the posting cannot be accessed anymore. ^^
:Noted, but you still changed it to "9000" when it wasn't. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, I just noticed that. The first time was for the laughs, the second time was me editing the article concurrently while you were also reverted the first set of changes and mindlessly ignoring the concurrency error. Sorry about that. ^^;

== Request for Review ==
As it's impossible to leave Spirou a message on his Talk page, and requests for review are being ignored on the article's talk pages, I'll once again point out the [[Forum:Popping_%28Under_revision%29 | draft page]] is now ready for review. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== Thank You and Page Help ==

Thank you so much for helping me with my page (I believe it was you) I really appreciate it and my page looks so much better as a result. I was wondering, though, is there a place that I can go that has the information on how to make the editions that you did? It would be greatly appreciated as I would like to expand my page just a bit, for example, adding subsections and such. Any help you can offer would be great!

...also, if I did this incorrectly, I apologize :( I'm still learning the hang of this and really hope that I haven't somehow botched this up. Apologies in advance if that is the case :(

Thanks a bunch! ^_^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:KittMouri|KittMouri]] ([[User talk:KittMouri|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KittMouri|contribs]]) .

:Sure thing - have a look at the [[Help:Contents|help section]], and in particular the [[Help:Editing|editing]] and [[Help:Furry Book of Style|style guide]]. There are links to more information at the bottom. Oh, and on talk pages, you can sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end, like this: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thank you so much! I will check these things out and work a bit more on my page! Thank you! *hugs* ... *tries out signature thing*

[[User:KittMouri|KittMouri]] 21:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Conviction==
User AlmightyTora is intentionally trying to cover up new, important information discovered about him: that he is a convicted pedophile.
This information passes the "non-public figure" and "no posting of personally detrimental yet factual" litmus tests because 1) The information is very public, provided by a governmental website, 2) Due to his activity in conventions, including ones where minors attend, it is very important that individuals are informed about his conviction in order to make sound decisions to limit his possibility of further sexual abuse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Isopodic|Isopodic]] ([[User talk:Isopodic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Isopodic|contribs]]) .

:''Responded (generally) on [[Talk:TORA|talk page]].''

==Welcome==

Nice to meet you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Snyde|Snyde]] ([[User talk:Snyde|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Snyde|contribs]]) .

== heads up: stale official pages ==

I just noticed a few official wikifur pages that still refer to the old wikia host.

Check my edit history for one attempt I made to update things, but the admins will probably need to go through manually and double check. Plus I'm not about to make a habit on messing with important pages.

Just a heads up that there's obsolete information present in official Wikifur documentation.

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 03:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:I thought I'd gone through and changed those, but think I missed them because I hadn't set the appropriate search options. Thanks for the heads-up. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== help with template ==

I followed the directions for the prod subst, using <nowiki>{{subst:prod|reason}}</nowiki> as directed and it spit back an error.

Is the template glitchy or did I goof up?

The attempts were made on the espernet article, if you need to check any logs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Shentino|Shentino]] ([[User talk:Shentino|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shentino|contribs]]) .

:I've fixed things up so {{tl|prod}} should now work. It's never really been used that much, in part because "notability" per-se is not generally a concern for WikiFur. We care more about whether or not it has any relevance to furry fandom, and we have a [[WikiFur:About|relatively low limit]] on how much is required. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Personal exclusion for Crusader Cat ==

[[Crusader Cat]] has made a request on my user talk page that I'm interpreting as a request for personal exclusion. His is not an obvious case to justify denying the request, but it's certainly a little iffy. What do you think? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 05:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think you should probably open up a discussion on [[Talk:Crusader Cat]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== self rfd ==

I just spoke with the fur in question, kaoru, and he was not in any condition for me to mention that I had created an article about him. As of right now he isn't even aware of this article's existence and I think he would be very upset if he found out that I was the one that created it.

Since I was the one who created the article in the first place, I was under the impression I could post a prod on it. Nobody else has made any edits anyway.

I suppose I'm upset that this page is apparently sticking around whether I want it to or not just because I had the misfortune of creating it prematurely.

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 23:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

:That's understandable, but honestly we don't tend to delete articles unless there's no basis for having the topic here. We ''do'' offer exclusion, but as that is an active rejection of information about a certain person, now and in the future, we only offer it as an option to that person.

:Like it says at the bottom, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." If they become aware of its presence, and if they are troubled by it, then they are welcome to contact us at that time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, I can't blame you. I need to bite the bullet. If he does get upset enough to go to the trouble of registering here and asking for its removal, I'm probably going to lose him forever. Then again, as cold unforgiving logic reveals, in that case I shouldn't have created it in the first place. Play with fire, get burned.

::I will not discuss this issue any further, since you are clearly not at fault here. I'll do my best to notify him when he's calmed down. [[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 00:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:::In all honesty, I think you're being melodramatic. There is a stub here about a person, which does not even mention their real life name or location. Big deal. :-) This is the Internet! Anyone can start a website about anything. Given that they share their name with a major fictional character who's likely to trump them in any search results, I don't think there's much to be concerned about. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== message from RVDDP2501 - reporting possible vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaper, I wanted to inform you that a user named Hoppy Bunny had done some changes to several extinctioners articles including the main one, adding all sorts of stupid information including pokemon related content, I have corrected the changes but I was wondering if you could see if this guy is a vandal and figure out what is to be done, thank you - http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hoppy_Bunny - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Request For Review ==
Once again, the [[Popping]] [[Forum:Popping_%28Under_revision%29 | draft page]] is ready for review. In the continued interest of not wasting everyone's time, it'd be really peachy if one of the Admins could finally resolve this long-neglected issue no later than October 24 2009, 11:59 PM EDT —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Request For Personal Exclusion ==

I would like to request a personal exclusion for [[Desiree Mentil]], which I created about myself.
[[User:Desireementil|Desireementil]] 00:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:''Replied via email''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Merging accounts ==

Thank you, that'd be nice to have my accounts merging to "Paul Shepherd" with the space. I think I forgot my password.

Thanks, Paul

== Hello there! ==

Hi thanks for the welcome and editing one or two things I was adding. I'm afraid I might be making a bit of a mess here and there but hopefully it's a more productive than destructive mess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Iscin|Iscin]] ([[User talk:Iscin|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Iscin|contribs]]) .

:Don't worry - should anything prove destructive, it can always be fixed. That's the power of a wiki. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Califur 5 Attendance ==

Referring to [[User_talk:Alohawolf]]

I pulled it out of the reg system, which at the time I had access to. and I dont see any reference of attendance on the livejournal post you linked to. Califur never officially announced attendance. --[[User:Alohawolf|Alohawolf]] 15:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== slander ==

dragoneer keep editing Alin_ravens wiki page with lies and slander but no ones stopping him please have him refrain from posting lies and doctored e-mail message links to that page because its completely deformation of charterer and he would like it to stop

== Use of noindex ==

Could you take a look at [[Talk:KE Films]] please? I'd like to get a second opinion before acting on a suggestion. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== Request for Deletion ==

Hi, both me [name removed] and [name removed] got our pages added without any permission, and we don't like to be listed on this site by our real names. This is a privacy concern. Could you please delete both our pages, and prevent it from happening again by adding one of those notices? Thanks in advance.
:I will contact you both directly regarding this; exclusion requires confirmation, and cannot normally be requested by third parties. In your case, please check your dA notes shortly. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

== Front site hacking *SOLVED*. ==

<strike>The front site has been hacked with the front page images having been replaced with pornographic pictures of women engaging in Bestiality (REAL pictures mind you). I tired reverting them back but it wont work. Please remove them and discipline the user responsible of putting them there.</strike>

EDIT: NM. Looks like someone already took care of it. Please disregard this message. And thanks to whoever got em!

- Shot King.
:They've already been deleted, and the user blocked, but thanks for the note and the earlier revert. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== Spam whitelist request. ==

I attempted to add a link to my user page to a server I run for Teamspeak and Open Canvas. The edit was rejected because of spam filters flagging the link as spam. The link is indigo.servegame.com. If you would be so kind as to add a filter to allow this on my page, I would appreciate it. :) [[User:Sergeant|Sergeant]] 18:09, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, give it a go now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Server Location of Wikifur ==

I have made an update to [[WikiFur:About]] and found the line in the '''Rating Section''': "Please ensure that anything you add is within the law of the United States and the state of Florida". Since I knew that is possibly outdated information as the Servers are no longer hosted on Wikia's Servers in Florida and now are hosted by Timduru, I decided to go make a whois lookup on Wikifur.com and found at [http://whois.domaintools.com/wikifur.com http://whois.domaintools.com/wikifur.com] (Under Server Stats) that the server is in Dallas, Texas. So I went ahead and changed that line to read Texas instead of Florida. My edit history showing the change is at [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur%3AAbout&diff=282868&oldid=275168 http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur%3AAbout&diff=282868&oldid=275168]. Please correct me if I was wrong on the edit, but I am sure it's correct. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 11:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for the update; the WikiFur server is indeed located in Texas. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Deleting vanity articles written by others. ==

I'm just curious here...

What exactly does someone need to do if they find a vanity article about themselves on wikifur they don't want to exist?

Do they send an email to an admin/steward/bureaucrat or register and propdel it or what?

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 02:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

:If they do not wish to be covered by WikiFur, they are welcome to submit a request for [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|personal exclusion]]. If they don't mind it being there, but don't think the current version is particularly good, editing it would be the appropriate response - with the understanding that they do not have overriding control of the article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

== Page Deletion ==

Hi, I wrote a page about myself (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Chinmyou) several years ago and no longer wish to have it up. I'd like to have it deleted, please.

Thanks. [[User:Chinmyou|Chinmyou]] 10:42, 8 January 2010

:The fact that you created the page doesn't matter, as it is [[WikiFur:Copyrights|freely licensed to us]]; however, we allow individual subjects of articles to [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|request exclusion]], and I have submitted the article about you to this process. If there are no objections, it will be protected and the content will be removed within 24 hours. If you wish to have this exclusion removed in the future, please let myself or another administrator know and we will be glad to oblige. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Categorization of Location ==

I had initially thought of using a DPL but I couldn't entertain the thought in my head due to the amount of work, so what i've tried to set out to do is to make Brisbane a subcategory of Queensland, but I don't exactly have the know how to do so. If Brisbane where a sub-catagory of Queensland, would the people in the category Brisbane be shown on Category:Queensland...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Snooper|Snooper]] ([[User talk:Snooper|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Snooper|contribs]]) .
:To make a category into a subcategory, you just place it into that category like any other article. I did this for [[:Category:Brisbane]] shortly after you created it. However, that will not display the members of the subcategory; they are represented by the category name. It's not meant for listing, hence why it's not called a list. :-)
:Making a Dynamic Page List is not too hard. But there is an even easier option - just go to [[Special:CategoryTree]], and enter Australia and select "all pages". This will display all members of the subcategories in the tree after you have expanded all nodes. You can also [[mw:Extension:CategoryTree#Usage|create custom tree views]]. Unfortunately it doesn't work right now because you added the residents of Brisbane into the supercategories as well. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

[[Eka]]

Just go look... My friend showed it to me thinking it was ''funny''. As much as I dislike Eka, that was just '''incredibly''' juvenile and hypocritical of him to do that...

~[http://ttff.wikia.com/wiki/Spades_Neil Spades Neil], fellow admin of the Teen Titan Fan Fic Wiki.

:It looks like [[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] already took care of it. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Summit // Zillercon 11 ==

Hi there!

Could you please add Summit (26th June to 3rd July 2010)
and Zillercon 11 (22. - 29.1.2011) to the main list?

Thx!
Keepiru
:Sure - thanks for the updates! You should be able to do this yourself in the future, once you've passed the (fairly low) minimum time/edit user requirements. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== New Foreign Languages ==

I would like to start an article in Dutch. How do I go about doing this?

Thanks for your time and for WikiFur.

--Kashidom Daheo Nenakh 23:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:''Replied over IM.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Xsystm47 Page Removal Request ==

:Hi there, I was wondering if you could remove my page (xsystm47) from wikifur? Please let me know if this is possible.
::Thanks, --[[User:Xsystm47|Xsystm47]]
::I saw your request in IRC, though you left too soon for me to reply. The article is only a stub, so I have excluded it immediately. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== WolfeeDarkfang ==
EDIT: Went overboard too quickly. I apologize. Please just talk to me on this issue.
[[User:Zhael|Zhael]] 03:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Your comments at Talk:Cub Central ==

Hi, Nice to find another Wikipedia editor, I also work at Wikipedia under the username BarkingFish.

I thought about what you said, on the Cub Central talk page, and you're right. As someone in the Fandom for a long time though, I don't necessarily see it the way 733 did. But, I agree wholeheartedly that it could, indeed, be viewed in more than one way.

I'm very new here, and any guidance you could provide over these first few days would be really useful, I'm already fully conversant with wikicode, being on WP for 5+ years and being an admin for a foreign wiki gives me a lot of insight.

Thanks for replying, I look forward to my time here. [[User:Theoria E. Volution|Theoria E. Volution]] 00:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Deleting Page ==

hi there, my name is Ella McKendrick. I would really apreciate it if my page titled, Ella McKendrick was removed due to personal reasons. I tried to edit this page about me on my old account, Gr8estwolflover but was blocked for doing so and i am not happy about people accessing the information about me. Thank you for your time and i would greatly apreciate it if it was removed. Thank you

~ Ella

:I've posted a reply in [[User talk:Gr8estwolflover]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== New User ==

Hey there, Featherpool here. I'm new to this place and there is multiple things I need to know, please(!!!) help me by telling me the various things. Do you need to pay for this? Do you make your character thingy on here? If you do, where and how? How to replie to forum thingies, and other chat things like that? Where the conventions are or if it is locally in your state? And if you will replie to this =]

Thankyou! Godbless you all!

Featherpool

:Hey there Featherpool, and welcome to [[WikiFur]]! This site is free in almost every sense of the word - there is no charge to read it or edit it, and you may even use its content elsewhere under the terms of our [[WikiFur:Copyrights|license]]. If you're interested in starting a page about yourself/your character, you would probably want to do it at [[Featherpool]]. It should be written in the third person tense, as if another person was writing about you in an encyclopedia. Have a look at some of the other articles about people for the general idea. Other people probably ''will'' edit it - bear in mind that it's "our page about you", not "your page". For a more personal, first-person , you're welcome to use [[User:Featherpool]]. To talk to another person, go to their user talk page (like this) and edit it to add a message at the end, intending beneath any previous comment with : at the start of a line, and signing your name with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. As for conventions, have a look at our front page - there's a [http://greenreaper.co.uk/wikifur/ConventionMap.html map], too. And check out the [[help]]! Let me know if you need anything not described there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I also wanted to know about the characters. Do you make them here or if you want people to see it, do you draw it and then posst here? Or do they have like a thing where you make it on this site?

[[User:Featherpool|Featherpool]] 15:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)Featherpool

:Once a person has determined the appearance and personality of their "[[fursona]]", they can either draw it themselves or have it drawn by someone else, either a friend or as a paid commission. It's common for articles about people to have one or a very few such images in the article about them and/or their userpage, but Wikifur is not a gallery suitable for a significant number of such images, nor is it a social networking site. It does, however, have articles about many other sites that are much better suited for those purposes. [[Fur Affinity]] is one of the most popular. If you're on [[LiveJournal]], check out the [[List of furry LiveJournal communities]], and if you'd like to meet other furry fans in person, there are many [[:Category:Regional groups|regional groups]] and [[Template:Upcoming events|recurring events]] for you to consider. Good luck! --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Thank-you for taking care of my page ==

Thanks for undoing the damage done to my fursona page on Wikifur as well as protecting it. I am glad that you did that, looking at what happened.

== Wolferajd account login problems (solved!) ==

The account got frozen at the error "You have made too many recent attempts on this account's password. Please wait before trying again. "

YEEEEEEELP!!!

How LONG waiting it is set to? 24 hours not enough? -.-

--[[Special:Contributions/62.121.83.52|62.121.83.52]] 05:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC) (aka. Unlogged Wolferajd, (send me an email if you want))

:I've cleared the throttle. If you still can't remember it, I suggest using the "email password" option to reset it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, everything works now just fine :) --[[User:Wolferajd|Wolferajd]] 01:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Yiff This! edit ==

Thanks :) That was my first Wiki I've written, so I was going off of a few examples as for the appropriate way to go about it. Thx for the edits it has a more neutral feel, as well as starting my userpage! (I'll give it my edit soon.)
:No problem! Thanks for adding the material to start with. We can only work with what we have or can find. :-)

I've seen you from somewhere... I think Open Paws LJ community :3
:Yep, that would be me. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gidday, pal ==

Found you with some difficulty! [[Special:Contributions/203.184.42.150|203.184.42.150]] 00:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC) http://newzealand.wikia.com/wiki/User:Robin_Patterson

== Adding a flag ==

How does one add a flag to [[:File:Flags.png]] and/or [[Template:flagdiv]]? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:You upload a new version, adding the new flags at the bottom (or use a new file), and change [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] appropriately. I usually use [http://spritegen.website-performance.org/ this tool] to generate the image. Looking at the various places that flagdiv is normally used, it might be best to identify several that might be added at once. If you want to do that I could regenerate the image, since I have everything else setup here to make it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Of the flags currently in [[:Category:Flag icons]], there are six that currently missing. Of those, at least three are currently used in articles that customarily use flagdiv; those are ESP, NED, and NOR. The other three, should you wish to go ahead and include them, are GBR, POR and TUR. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::GBR is already there - did you mean something else? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see it now. It was out of alphabetical sequence and that threw me for a loop --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== To get a quicker response ==

Since I know that you're on due to your edit a moment ago that showed up on recent changes. :P Could you help me with my [[Forum:Artificial "log out" when on Main Page|Help desk question]]? Thank you. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

===Thank you===

Thanks for the welcome. :)

I'm probably going to be working primarily on biographies of the more famous people in the fandom in my time here. To that end, I just went and messaged [[Meesh]] on FA about a list of the comics and things he has made. Furthermore, I sent a message to [[ZEN]] to ask for his permission to use [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2223226/ this] image as a fursona picture on his Wikifur page. If he does give it, would you be able to upload the image for me? I've never worked with image files or templates, so I don't know how to do either of those things, even on Wikipedia.

I'm also likely going to be sending messages to other artists to get releases for image use on their pages. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good place to start - articles about popular artists often draw visitors. As for the image uploading, I can if you want, but it's ''really'' easy - just go to [[Special:Upload]], specify the license (you can just use the "character" option if given permission, and mention that it was uploaded with their permission in the description) and upload the file, then put something like <nowiki>[[File:NameOfFile.jpg|right|thumb|Description of image]]</nowiki> in the article. Give it a go! There's more details and options in the [[Help:Editing|editing help]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Finished with DYK ==

I finished updating DYK. Does it look alright? From the looks of the archive, no one really updated it at all in 2009, or for the first half of 2010 so far. Would you like for me to be the updater for it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Looks good! The one thing I'd mention is that you can link directly to Wikipedia with <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|link description]]</nowiki> (I fixed them this time around). There's a list of such prefixes [[Special:Interwiki|here]]. And sure, that'd be awesome! I used to update that but I just have so much on my plate now (maintaining WikiFur's software and now [[Flayrah]], plus other stuff) that I haven't had time to spend updating our front page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::How often do you think DYK should be updated? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Probably about once or twice a week. The rate should be governed by the number of non-trivial [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] (be permissive; [[Kayiko]] and [[Man bijt hond]] are trivial - for now anyway - but [[Furry Canada Day]] or [[Central Midwest Furmeet]] are non-trivial). If you're interested in doing it more frequently than the supply allows, I suggest going back through the archives of articles created since the last 2009 update - I'm sure there are some great facts just waiting to be revealed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Let's say every Friday then, or thereabouts. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Hello. ==

Sorry for the lacking facts on that first edit. I had edited it (right before I went to bed) but apparently it didn't save the new edit, and the first rough draft of it was only saved. I wish I could supply more facts, but I'm not the actual Echo, I'm just compiling what information I do know on him.

== Shortcut Templates ==

I just tried to use a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Shortcut|shortcut template]] on the [[WikiFur:Wikiproject Convention|Convention Wikiproject]] I just created and it appears that they don't work, as of yet. How would we go about getting such things to work, as they would be useful for both Help pages and Project/Portal pages? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It should work now. See [[WikiFur:Shortcut]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It does. Cool, thanks for helping with that. :) I might end up coming to you with some more things, I hope i'm not bothering you because of this. ^_^; (P.S. You can just respond on this page, you don't need to copy it over to mine, i'll see when you respond on here) [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Infoboxes ==

...sorry for bugging you again so soon. ^_^; We really need an [[Wikipedia:Help:Infobox|infobox]] for artists and probably a more generalized one for biographies as well. Any clarification you need, just ask me. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 23:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Have a look at [[:Category:Infobox templates]] and [[:Category:Proposed biographical infobox templates]]. But first, we need to answer a serious question: when and why should we use them?
:Infoboxes are designed to extract common details from lengthy articles, especially those for which there are a large number of common details (such as the taxonomy of species) for which additional explanation is not beneficial. But our articles are far shorter than Wikipedia's. What value will an infobox bring to articles commonly only the length of a page? Is this value more than the space they will occupy, and the distraction they will pose from the body? This is particularly important for infoboxes that largely duplicate information from the lede.
:In fairness, space is less of a concern now that we have more (there used to be a 150px ad to the right). Still, 20% of our users still use 1024x768. They are also an editorial burden to every article in the category, both to create and update.
:We've not had a good discussion on this yet, but see [[Template talk:Infobox person]], [[Template talk:Infobox artist]], [[Template talk:Infobox musician]], [[Template talk:Infobox website]] and [[Template talk:Infobox convention event]] for some thoughts. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::After reading that, I find it less useful for just general people, but the one for artists is still particularly useful, because it contains information that will not necessarily be placed in the article. And even if it is a repetition of some information that is in the article, it is far more useful and easier to find wanted information from a infobox than having to read through an entire article to find a specific piece of information. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 01:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest developing [[Template:Infobox artist]] further, then, and trying it out on a small selection of articles. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How would I go about getting Website to be its own section, like Fursona, on the template, and remove the space for signature? I find signature to be unnecessary. The fursona image or photograph should take up the entire image space, not be scrunched to the side. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 01:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
* The infobox seems to be working well on the [[Shiuk]] page, though there is an extraneous "{{#if:Nevada|" at the top of the page, along with "<nowiki>[[File:" and "]]</nowiki>" around the avatar image. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm still working on it. <s>There's some issues with nested if espressions.</s> OK, there we go. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yay. ^_^ I think it looks good, what about you? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's better than it was. Would be good to have input from others as well, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

* Would it be possible to add Birth place under Birth date in the template? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Probably! Have you tried doing it? It shouldn't be that hard, just copying a few lines and changing names around. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Just did, it's not showing up. :/ [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not ''meant'' to show up unless you actually add it to an instance of a template on a page. The documentation is a separate matter; you need to add a line to that as well if you want it to show up on the template's own page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I thought I did, but when I added it to the infobox on Meesh's page, it didn't show up either. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes it did . . . perhaps you were looking at a cached page? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh...yeah, that's highly likely. >_> I have to refresh every time I make an edit in order to see it. I forgot to do that that time. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

* What did I do wrong now? I changed fursona to species on the template, to make it more clear, and it showed up fine. But when I changed fursona to species on Meesh's page, it still won't show up. O_o [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_artist&diff=295277&oldid=295269 Fix'd]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki> I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

I think [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.63.215.187 24.63.215.187] will need to be blocked, if not now, soon, considering the continued attacks on Priam Wolf. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Allow site ==

I would like to use this ( <nowiki>http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nomoreallan/</nowiki> ) source for [[Lupine Assassin]]'s article page. Can you make an exception to allow it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done, hopefully. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== About a new user ==

[[User:KentuckyFriedGunman|KentuckyFriedGunman]] is a new user that has been going around adding fact tags to articles. Largely, I have no problem with this in terms of articles about organizations or subjects, but not for articles about people. Vanity pages are highly likely to have been written by the subject themselves and citation needed tags are superfluous on such pages. I mean, it's great if references can be found for such articles, but they are not needed. Am I in the right on this? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Wolfee_Darkfang&diff=296184&oldid=291235 Here] is an example. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Wait... You guys allow vanity pages? You guys allow fact tags to be cut from vanity pages? And you guys want to be linked from Wikipedia? Really? I will oblige on the vanity pages, as I had no authority there, but with all due respect, this site needs to cite more sources and use facts taken from sources beyond personal blogs/profiles/posts. --[[User:KentuckyFriedGunman|KentuckyFriedGunman]] 03:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Please read [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fur_Affinity&curid=7076&diff=296198&oldid=296197 this]. The rules for Wikifur are radically different than Wikipedia. We do not profess to be the same. We do not cover subjects that are the study of news groups or official studies. We do not use, nor have, sources that are normally used on Wikipedia. Primary sources are allowed. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Those are the sources of our information. We feel qualified to use them - just as a reporter might use a blog, profile or post as a source - because we know the people concerned, in a way that the average Wikipedia editor does not. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, many pages on WikiFur would not be (and should not be) linked from Wikipedia. This list includes the vast majority of pages about people. Consider, would it really make sense to link to [[Pinkuh]], or [[Wolfee Darkfang]]? Probably not. They are non-notable topics. Conversely, [[Fur Affinity]] is a popular topic and it is quite possible that it might be seen as an authoritative article. It can be appropriate to inform readers of the need for caution when information on such articles has not been substantiated. However, that does not mean we will ''remove'' uncited information simply because it is uncited, especially when it is inserted by someone who should be in a position to know it (at that point, it's equivalent to them posting about it and us citing their post). We would generally only do so if we had reason to believe it was untrue, or if the information was potentially defamatory and uncited. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Ban 195.216.197.106 ==

He's submitted the forum post three times now. More than enough to be blocked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 11:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

== Image for Inkbunny ==

I've created the [[Inkbunny]] page and i'm working on expanding it. Is there an image that would be appropriate and is allowed to be used for the article? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
:I already put [[:File:Inkbunny.png]] up for a [[Flayrah]] article, that might be suitable, and/or a screenshot. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Muushi.net Linking to copyrighted works ==

"Linking to copyrighted work

Muushi.net and it's members - including the site owner[5] - share and distribute links to several stolen works from various sources including paysites, books and digital downloads. Muushi does not have a public Do Not Post list and does not respond to any DMCA request. The only known e-mail is muushi.net[at]gmail.com from the previous incarnation of Muushi.

The site's moderators claim there is a private DNP list, and that claims made through the Report feature or to the above email will be resolved. "

Can this be edited?

Here are the Errors.

Muushi.net does respond to DMCA requests. If a user or artists requests that material is taken down it is removed. Muushi.net does not support the sharing of copyrighted media without the artists permission. The addendum below is not a claim but a fact. Established in out protocol for handling such claims.

Sorry for the discussion on the site's page instead of through the talk feature, I am still fairly new to wikifur.

~ Clone

:No worries - there's some follow up to this post on [[Talk:Muushi]], which would probably be the best place to discuss this. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't really agree with [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Muushi&curid=58706&diff=296951&oldid=296933 this] change, since it is still true that they only remove threads if they are actually reported and no, as far as I can tell, on their own prerogative. I think it should be reverted, though the last paragraph should be changed to note that they do remove threads if they are reported, but only then. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:GR, you there? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 23:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
::I am, but I have other things on my plate. If you think it should be done, why not do it? You do not need my authorization. :-)
::If you revert, I suggest considering what they thought was misleading and trying to incorporate a fix for that while at the same time preserving what you think is important. That way we don't get into a continual revert war. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Well, I feel sort of like I'm spamming with all the problems on this page, but thanks for inviting me to the Wiki... --[[User:Chromeo|Chromeo]] 18:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== I have two accounts for some reason ==
XD I have no idea why, but I have 2 accounts on Wikifur O.o If possible could you delete the one called "Jet" and leave the one "Jet Wolfgang" active, I think I made the other by mistake when I was a n00b to wikifur. Cheers!
:Sure - it was possibly at a time when we didn't have the account import from Wikia working properly. I've merged the two into Jet Wolfgang. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Exclusion Request ==

I would like a personal exclusion for the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Kaffa_Wolf

Thank you for your time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Kaffawolf|Kaffawolf]] ([[User talk:Kaffawolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kaffawolf|contribs]]) .

:The article will be excluded within 24 hours, unless there is an objection. If you wish to revert this exclusion in the future, please contact myself or any other administrator. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit wars ==

Hi GreenReaper, sorry to bother you with this, but I don't know the best solution... I looked for the equivalent of a 3RR rule here but didn't see it. Anyway, there's an active edit war with [[Talk:Jessica Elwood]]. Is there anything that other editors can do in a case like that, or just call it to the attention of the admins? --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've had a chat with one of the editors. I suggest interested parties make a good faith effort to incorporate changes which they do not object to in each others' edits, and to seek to explain and understand the basis behind them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Well, that user is still at it with slanting everything in the article, but I was wondering if you could check something out. You see, he seems to think that unless I have cited quotes from every single admin on FA, he doesn't believe that one admin's word that "Multiple admins confirm this" is quite enough. Again, he is simply getting in everyone's way and slowing down updates every time he decides to change the wording on every little thing to slant it against others. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Ref: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Kaffa_Wolf ==

Deny-...He founded all that stuff and he is not notable to warrant inclusion? He BUILT the texas fur community despite texanfurs no longer being alive. I think that is rather note worthy. The successor forum would not exist if it was not for him. Some stats from the successor forum.

Total posts 93781 | Total topics 5132 | Total members 1121

I think that's a pretty notable legacy, even if he didnt make that forum himself, but did lay the foundation.[[Special:Contributions/173.45.201.98|173.45.201.98]] 20:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think you understand what personal exclusion is. That means that Kaffa Wolf went and spoke to GreenReaper and asked him to delete the page. Kaffa Wolf wants the page to be deleted. It has nothing to do with his notability. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I realize I'm new to WikiFur, and thus my opinion may not count for much (simply because I haven't been around long enough to completely understand the WikiFur culture. I'll try to sum up my thoughts carefully. I respect personal privacy, and I also understand that people may leave the fandom for various reasons. OTOH, I also know (particularly as a relative newcomer) that there is a need for a stable, reliable, credible archive to preserve the history and legacy of the fandom. WikiFur has been helpful to me in the past, before I ever dreamed of becoming an editor, for the fact that when I heard people talking about XYZ, I could easily go look up who or what they were talking about. Particularly in the case of someone whose contributions to the fandom are truly notable, it disturbs me to think that we can simply erase the record of their contributions and blank the pages of history for the generations that follow. Like it or not, when you step up to the plate and assume any notable position, you become a historical figure in your culture, whether it's the furry fandom or the whole USA. I'm sure that there are a lot of things that, for instance, George W. Bush or Al Gore wish they could delete from the record, but that goes against the whole point of recording their legacies (for good or for ill). So I respectfully have to disagree in this case. Notability has '''everything''' to do with it, because it is the yardstick by which we measure the importance of an article as a reference to the fandom. We may measure notability differently than Wikipedia does, but it's still a very relevant criterion.

::Is it possible that, as a compromise, we can offer someone the chance to "freeze" their page as it exists in a certain state (after removing anything that IS personally identifiable IRL) and put a banner at the top that the page is left in place for historical/archival purposes but is no longer active/editable? I know that WF stopped this practice some time back because people were not keeping their pages updated. In the case of someone retiring from the fandom, that's not a bad thing: we just want the history of what they did while they were here. Much like I could care less what Clinton or Bush is doing today, I'm only interested in what they did while in office. To the extent that a page (1) does not contain information that is detrimental to the person IRL and (2) provides valuable historical context, I think we need to strike a balance between the needs of the many and the needs of the few. Anyway, I've taken up a lot more space than I meant to, so I'll hush now. My own opinion, YMMV. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 06:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Firstly, go pick someone else's personal exclusion as a basis for your debate against Wikifur's policies. I am a terrible example for your argument because I am NOT notable. I am tired of people like you usurping my right to be left alone. If you're looking for someone to harass about this, http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/FishyBoner is an excellent example of someone who should be included. Secondly, I am not asking for the pages about the things I created, TexasFurs.org & fursuiter.org, to be deleted. They will continue to exist to document my "contributions", so again, you have an invalid argument and you're just here to cause me more grief. Thirdly, to the first denier, ask around the local community, they'll laugh at you if you claim I started anything. The forum I ran existed for only two years, the current one is over 5 years old. Before TexasFurs.org, there was a very large and healthy mailing list, TAFF. I haven't done squat with anyone local in almost two years. I have moved on with my life, please stop living in the past. Lastly, Wikifur is a great resource and I believe this personal exclusion policy is one key to helping keep it neutral. --[[User:Kaffawolf|Kaffawolf]] 17:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

::::From the tone of your reply, it would appear that you have taken offense where none was intended, and I am truly sorry if this is the case. Nothing in my comments was intended to "harrass" or to "usurp [your] right to be left alone." The point that I was trying to make was simply that, presuming that Kaffa Wolf is not your name IRL, there is nothing in the article that could be used by anyone to contact you or identify you. Regardless of the scope of your contributions, you participated actively in the fandom using that fan name. I was asking to preserve that legacy, not as an insult to you, but so that newer furs will have a resource to turn to when your name comes up in conversation with an old-timer one day. I know I've certainly used it in that way myself. I agree that WikiFur is a great resource, and I'm not disputing the need for the exclusion policy in some cases. I'm just pointing out that historical accuracy is another thing that it should be known for. Again, I am sorry if my post offended you. It was intended solely in the spirit of all good wiki media: that the community owns the resource, and therefore the community engages in thoughtful discussion about major changes. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== [[User:Dan Skunk|Dan Skunk's]] Edit Warring ==

I don't know what to do with him at this point. He continues to try and add the statement that he is the founder of [[Furnal Equinox]] on both that page and [[Dan Skunk|his]] page, while all evidence says that he is not. I have tried to engage with him on his talk page and directed him to discuss things on the Furnal Equinox talk page, but he has not done either of these and continues to try and readd the statement. It has been over five times now for both of the pages. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:He has started re-adding the statement again. Is there anything you can do? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feel like i'm being ignored. :( [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's midnight, and I'm still at work. I am able to make a few brief edits but matters which require significant thought have been deferred until I get home, and possibly even until I've had some sleep. The world will not collapse until then. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I just saw you editing, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for taking the time to respond though. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've thrown in FE's perspective on this matter, but I do believe that some form of mediation/arbitration is going to be needed - the matter between Dan and FE extends well beyond WikiFur, and probably isn't going to be sorted out just between the two of us. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 23:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Reiterating the need for some sort of arbitration - ref. [[Talk:Furnal Equinox]] --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Request for Exclusion ==

Hello! This is a request for the page: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Hikari.

Thank you for your time. [[User:HikariFox|HikariFox]] 03:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

:As you are the only substantial author and there do not appear to be any current debate over the article, I have performed this exclusion immediately. If you wish to revert this exclusion in the future, please contact myself or any other administrator and we will be glad to oblige. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lingual accounts ==
Hello, i'm new here and i'm wondering that i'm just registrated at the english WikiFur Page but not on each other language page. How come there's my user name not given? --[[User:Saviour1981|Saviour1981]] 23:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:For now, you will need to make separate accounts on each wiki that you wish to edit. Because the English WikiFur and several other languages moved from Wikia to its own server, while others were created on the server to start with, each language has its own user database. We hope to use Wikipedia's solution for this ([[mw:Extension:CentralAuth|CentralAuth]]), but we are waiting for the next version of the MediaWiki software to try it. The developers have made several changes to the shared login extension, and the current version will not work on the current released version of MediaWiki, only on Wikipedia's internal version. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== *sighs* ==

[http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Amanda_Lillianne_Drasciir Help], please. I just don't know what to do with this person...Though after [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eka&diff=prev&oldid=300065 this] edit, as an IP, I can't say i'm all that surprised. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Convention attendance ==

I just posted a comment to [[User talk:Chiaroscuro]] about his [[Anthrocon 1999]] convention attendance updates that you might want to read and see what you think. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Personal attacks from [[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]] ==

BradRepko has been making more [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Eka&curid=61238&diff=300780&oldid=300085 personal attacks] against me and has now started making attacks against me on my [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Silver_seren&curid=60467&diff=300781&oldid=300779 talk page]. Could you please do something about him? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Silver seren

2010-07-24T19:44:35Z

Silver seren: Respond + Rearranging

Welcome to my talk page. If you wish to discuss an edit I made, an article I created, or about an article I am involved in, please leave me a message here. If you wish to discuss me helping with an article or some other issue, please leave me a message. If you wish to just chat with me, please leave me a message.

Thank you. :) [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Welcome, watching tip, and comment on activity ==

Welcome to WikiFur, Silver! (Yay, another colour - soon we'll be like the [[wizard]]s on [[Tapestries MUCK|Taps]] . . .)

For the record, you can also [[Special:Watchlist/raw|manually edit your raw watchlist]]. Particularly useful if you want to watch a list of pages.

As for WikiFur, we can always use new editors. Traffic is down in part because we [[News:English WikiFur moved to en.wikifur.com|moved last year]] and Google still hasn't given us the ranking we used to have. It shouldn't be long now, though - visitors increase ~7% every month - and our [[WikiFur:Administrators|admins]] are [http://stats.wikifur.com/EN/TablesWikiFurEN.htm#wikipedians still around] if you need advice.

We're not as organized as you might be used to on Wikipedia, but don't let that stop you making changes where appropriate. Check out [[WikiFur:Policies and guidelines|our policies]], then go forth and '''be bold'''! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:I'm probably going to be working primarily on biographies of the more famous people in the fandom in my time here. To that end, I just went and messaged [[Meesh]] on FA about a list of the comics and things he has made. Furthermore, I sent a message to [[ZEN]] to ask for his permission to use [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2223226/ this] image as a fursona picture on his Wikifur page. If he does give it, would you be able to upload the image for me? I've never worked with image files or templates, so I don't know how to do either of those things, even on Wikipedia.

:I'm also likely going to be sending messages to other artists to get releases for image use on their pages. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::Sounds like a good place to start - articles about popular artists often draw visitors. As for the image uploading, I can if you want, but it's ''really'' easy - just go to [[Special:Upload]], specify the license (you can just use the "character" option if given permission, and mention that it was uploaded with their permission in the description) and upload the file, then put something like <nowiki>[[File:NameOfFile.jpg|right|thumb|Description of image]]</nowiki> in the article. Give it a go! There's more details and options in the [[Help:Editing|editing help]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Finished with DYK ==

I finished updating DYK. Does it look alright? From the looks of the archive, no one really updated it at all in 2009, or for the first half of 2010 so far. Would you like for me to be the updater for it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Looks good! The one thing I'd mention is that you can link directly to Wikipedia with <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|link description]]</nowiki> (I fixed them this time around). There's a list of such prefixes [[Special:Interwiki|here]]. And sure, that'd be awesome! I used to update that but I just have so much on my plate now (maintaining WikiFur's software and now [[Flayrah]], plus other stuff) that I haven't had time to spend updating our front page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::How often do you think DYK should be updated? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Probably about once or twice a week. The rate should be governed by the number of non-trivial [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] (be permissive; [[Kayiko]] and [[Man bijt hond]] are trivial - for now anyway - but [[Furry Canada Day]] or [[Central Midwest Furmeet]] are non-trivial). If you're interested in doing it more frequently than the supply allows, I suggest going back through the archives of articles created since the last 2009 update - I'm sure there are some great facts just waiting to be revealed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Let's say every Friday then, or thereabouts. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shortcut Templates ==

I just tried to use a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Shortcut|shortcut template]] on the [[WikiFur:Wikiproject Convention|Convention Wikiproject]] I just created and it appears that they don't work, as of yet. How would we go about getting such things to work, as they would be useful for both Help pages and Project/Portal pages? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It should work now. See [[WikiFur:Shortcut]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Random comments ==

For reference, the "editor" you just reverted was probably a misdirected attempt at forum spam. We've been getting that more frequently over the last few months. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

== Crush! Yiff! Destroy! ==

Re the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag on [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!#The End]], I have no idea what could possibly be cited or referenced to prove it... though if you want to go look, the [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/oldforum/ CYD forum] and the [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/frontpage/ front page] are both still up, though posting & commenting have been turned off, and of course if you really wanted to poke about, CYD's WHOIS hasn't changed. [[User:Mitch|Mitch]] 20:36, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Opposing viewpoint on notability and exlusion ==

Hi Silver! I've been following your edits with interest, since I'm a new editor at WF and I recognize that while you're relatively new here yourself, you have a wealth of experience over at WP. You may have noted by now, that I posted an opposing viewpoint to yours on [[Talk:Kaffa Wolf]]. It has long been my policy that if I disagree with someone, I also approach them personally and "shake hands." While it may not be strictly necessary in Wiki culture (since discussion and civil opposing views are openly encouraged), it still makes for better working relationships. So FWIW, just wanted to properly introduce myself and let you know I respect you, and that I hope to have the opportunity to work with you in the future. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 06:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks so much for the kind reply (posted on [[User Talk:Cody Denton]]). This is a huge learning curve for me, having never been active on WP. (I do have an account there but have used it '''very''' rarely.) It's nice to hear feedback on what I'm doing, and I always welcome constructive advice too (if I should do something that might have best been done differently). I hope to remain active as an editor, though at this point as a relative newcomer to the fandom I doubt you'll see much original content from me. If you can think of a way that I could help you with the technical aspects of [[Wikifur:Wikiproject Convention]], I'd be happy to participate. I've only been to one con, so anything requiring first-hand knowledge wouldn't be in my league. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 10:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

=== A point ===

He has [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&curid=35&diff=299613&oldid=299549 a point]. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed. I'm afraid that offense was taken where none was intended. I've posted what I hope was a peaceful reply to explain why I objected. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

=== [[Furnal Equinox]] ===

Thanks for your contributions and mediation on the FE article wherever possible - however, I really feel "up against a brick wall" so to speak. While I acknowledge that certain concessions might be necessary, the degree to which Dan has gone to express his particular perspective (now including some "Dan Skunk did this and that" edits over the past couple of days) over recent days is not acceptable to me (in my role as an FE representative). Left a message on GreenReaper's page asking if there's any arbitrative steps that can be taken to resolve this content issue, and would appreciate your help if you so wish. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 20:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== removed age ==

Removed age from Shiuk article. Help:Furry_Book_of_Style "Do not give a person's current age, since it will become outdated over time. Give their year of birth instead." Maybe at some point Wikifur will have something like Wikipedia's Template:Birth_date_and_age . --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 23:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, having a template that naturally changes the age based on the inputted birthday would be nice, though that would likely require a bit of coding. But, I understand. :3 [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks/Opinion==
Hi Silver, thanks for staying on top of my recent submissions, and helping to catch the little tweaks and fixes that need to be made. You have much more experience than me, and I'd welcome any feedback; do the guideline posts thus far reflect best practices and a consensus view, in your opinion? Thanks, and have a great day! --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think you've done a fantastic job with the guideline pages. Especially the ones that you reworded to be true for Wikifur. Those were excellent. I agree with all of the things you've added.

:Oh, and let me point out that your "Nutshell" template already has an inset period in the end of the template, so you don't need to add a period at the end of your last sentence when you are using it. That's why it was making double periods, of which I was fixing. So, you can either remember not to put a period on the end of your last sentence when you use it or you can go and remove the period from the template itself. Either way, just wanted to point that out. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Opinion==
:Oh goody, an opinion page ^^! I think you're an asshat, Silver Seren. You overstepped your authority where you had no business to. What I posted wasn't gossip, it was cold hard fact. I didn't post any source because I was the fucking source. I'm pretty sure I know who I'm having a relationship with, and since I had permission from the person whose page was in question to edit it, you caused me a lot of trouble with your stupid bullshit. The fact that you and your little butt buddy Cody suggested that I was delusional went too far. You both owe me an apology, which I will accept when you grovel at my feet like the insignificant little worms you are.[[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]] 19:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

::and for the record, I'm not saying this to start trouble, Silver Sheen started trouble with me the moment he thought it wise to repeat something back at me that I had just said as if I had never said it. The moment he made it clear that he didn't read what people wrote in the discussion page before commenting made it apparent that he has no business having that little badge in the corner of his userpage. The fact that he went out of his way to pick fights with me on my first day here how much of an insignificant worm he is and I will never listen to a damn thing he tells me, because I do not recognize his authority. [[User:BradRepko|BradRepko]] 19:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

:::*sigh* BradRepko, you have jumped into a conversation between Silver and me. A conversation which, it may come as a shock, has nothing to do with you. I have attempted to keep a calm, helpful, and civil tone with you. I do not appreciate the random intrusion into a question that I addressed to Silver, on HIS talk page, that had nothing to do with you. Neither of us suggested that you were delusional, though you may wish to consider the opinion that you are generating all by yourself with rants like this one. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 19:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiFur:Consensus

2010-07-24T17:46:53Z

Silver seren: Remove extra period

{{guideline}}
{{nutshell|Consensus is the process by which we edit articles and resolve disputes at WikiFur. It is not static and may change over time based on new ideas and input}}

'''Consensus''' is a decision-making model used by WikiFur to encourage discussion and participation in editing. In simplest terms, it means "agreement," though in some cases, consensus may be a majority view and not reflect every viewpoint. It is important, however, that each viewpoint ''be considered'', because WikiFur belongs to the whole community, not just to an elect few.

==The consensus process==
Consensus flows out of the normal way that people interact with one another in collaborating and resolving disputes. At its most basic, it refers to the normal editing process. In cases of disputes, the community works to resolve the issue by discussion and compromise. It is important to remember that consensus is a '''community''' process. Do not assume that the administrators will "make a ruling" on a controversial issue.

===Normal editing===
[[File:1000px-Consensus Flowchart.svg.png|thumb|right|300px|When an edit is made, other editors have these options: accept the edit, change the edit, or revert the edit. These options may be discussed if necessary.]]
Consensus normally arises through the normal editing cycle. In this process, User A submits new material to WikiFur in [[WF:AGF|good faith]]. User B looks at the article and thinks of ways to improve it, which is not to say that what User A submitted is bad, but that (like nearly everything in life) there are ways to make it better. An article may go through several revisions this way, with different editors expanding it, fixing technical issues (grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc.), adding special codes to [[Wikipedia:Wikify|wikify]] it, and so on. Because each edit represents the good-faith effort of the editor to improve the article, this process normally takes place quietly and without controversy.

Each editor is encouraged to [[WF:BOLD|'''be bold''']] in making changes; you do not need to ask formal permission to edit general articles. Other viewers may either accept the change, try to improve the change, or revert the change. Discussion on the talk page is encouraged, as are explanatory edit summaries. These help to explain your reasons for making a change, and may help demonstrate good faith.

If other editors and viewers accept your changes, then that silent acceptance is considered "implicit consensus" that your edits are acceptable at this time. It is not necessary to document this formally; it is a fundamental part of how our editing process works. Bear in mind that other users may later make changes at any time.

===Consensus is not static===
Just because an article or other topic of discussion has reached consensus, please do not assume that it is now "set in stone" with the force of policy. This is a vibrant and growing community, and ideas may change over time. Do not reject edits outright on the grounds that they "violate consensus." '''The fact that someone is making an edit demonstrates that consensus can, and will, change over time.''' Assume good faith, and consider the new edits in light of all information currently available. Discuss on the talk page as necessary. Evaluate all edits and proposals on their own merits, not on the basis of an outcome that was decided years ago. The world changes all around us, and we as a community must change with it. This continual evolution is indeed both inevitable and desirable.

===Policies and guidelines reflect consensus===
[[:Category:Policies and guidelines|Policies and guidelines]] have been established in the WikiFur community, not by arbitrary decree, but to document the community's own consensus about how things are done. To inspire trust and confidence, policies and guidelines should remain consistent and stable. Changes to them should be proposed and discussed with great diligence, and generally these proposals will take longer to achieve consensus. Don't rush things. Because policies and guidelines affect the entire community, the community at large should have the opportunity to comment and participate as they evolve. In some cases, particularly in the case of guideline documents which reflect "best practices" but do not carry the weight of policy, there may be little or no discussion. Such guidelines are generally written by editors familiar with the Wiki process, both at WikiFur and at other sites such as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]], and silent acceptance of these documents may be construed as consensus after sufficient time has passed for them to be exposed to the community.

===Exceptions to consensus===
In rare instances, it may be necessary for the site operators to impose rules or take actions that are not derived from consensus. Examples include issues concerning [[WF:Copyright|copyright]], server load, and legal issues.

==Consensus building==
[[File:Consensus_icon.svg.png|left|200px]]
Inevitably in any community, disputes arise that can not be handled alone. Sometimes [[WF:EDITWAR|edit wars]] take place, and it appears unlikely that the editors involved will be able to resolve the issue amongst themselves. It is appropriate in such cases for each party to document their positions on the article's talk page, using [[WF:NPOV|neutral]] language and citing sources to [[WF:V|verify]] the information. Other members of the community should also express their views, again maintaining neutrality and offering sources when possible.

===The role of administrators in consensus===
Do not assume that the [[WF:Administrators|administrators]] will take sides. They are members of this community, just like you, and they are bound by the same policies and guidelines. Admins '''may''' take action based on their interpretations of policy, guidelines, and consensus, but are not a "ruling class." Please do not expect them to do something just because you ask them to, particularly when the action may be controversial or may not reflect consensus.

===Inappropriate uses of consensus===
While it is appropriate to call attention to an issue, it may be considered inappropriate to frequently and repeatedly do so, or to post about the issue in multiple forums and talk pages at once. Those who are interested in the issue will likely find it on their own, and it is generally not advisable to act as the [[Wikipedia:town crier|town crier]], shouting in the public square. Any announcements that you make must also be written from a neutral point of view, with an intent to call attention to the discussion, not to sway it. It is inappropriate to use multiple accounts or IP addresses to promote a particular point of view (a process called ''sockpuppetry''), or to recruit many editors in collusion to advocate a position (a process called ''meatpuppetry'').

Finally, editors sometimes use a form of [[Wikipedia:filibuster|filibustering]] whereby through repeated edits, reversions, and repeating the same arguments, they hope to outlast the opposition and win the debate. This does not reflect true consensus and is not an acceptable way to reach an outcome.

==Further reading==
*[[Wikipedia:Consensus]]
*[[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot]]
*[[m:Wikistress|Dealing with wikistress]] -- tips on keeping perspective

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