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Siege's Snippets

2009-02-23T03:51:42Z

Siege: Note on possible upcoming changes

{{Infobox Podcast
| title = Siege's Snippets
| image =
| caption =
| host = [[Siege a Ferios|Siege]]
| url = http://snippets.furtopia.org/
| rss = http://snippets.furtopia.org/releases.xml
| atom =
| status = No established update schedule
| began = 12 June, 2008
| ended =
| genre = Philosophy, Talk, Storytelling
| ratings =
}}

'''Siege's Snippets''' is a podcast hosted by [[Siege a Ferios]], for the purpose of getting his voice on the 'net. Potential content includes factual and philosophical lectures (but not rants), news, interviews, travelogues, stories, music, and humor.

The website and email address were obtained in 2006, but no actual content appeared until Siege finally started building the site in May 2008. The RSS feed was added about two weeks before the first show was uploaded on June 12. There are still visual elements and a sidebar to be added, but the website is otherwise complete. Due to a lack of further episodes as of February 2009, one may safely assume that there may be a few changes in format and guidelines.

== Segments ==
''These are the segments produced so far for the show. The "about" page of the Snippets website contains a full listing of intended segments.''

* '''The Lecture:''' Siege performs a monologue on a particular topic. The first Lecture was highly "meta", being all about the show itself.
* '''Tailfluff:''' Something to think about or enjoy at the close of the show. Siege tries to have some Tailfluff for every episode.

== Lingo ==

* '''Meta:''' Talk about the show and its host, instead of other topics which are presumably more interesting.

== External links ==

* [http://siege.furtopia.org/ Siege's Snippets website]

{{Podcasts}}

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2009-02-23T03:49:37Z

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Category:Podcasts

2009-02-23T03:44:12Z

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'''[[Wikipedia:Podcast|Podcast]]s''' are downloadable files (usually of audio or video content) which are syndicated or distributed using an [[Wikipedia:RSS (file format)|RSS]], [[Wikipedia:OPML|OPML]], or [[Wikipedia:Atom_(standard)|Atom]] feed.

Some [[:Category:Radio|Radio]] shows are also made available as podcasts; they should be placed in both categories.

==Podcasts to add==
If you can think of a podcast that deserves writing about, add it in here, and maybe someone else will create that article. But don't let that stop ''you'' from writing about a podcast, even your own!

[[Category:Culture]][[Category:Internet]]

Siege's Snippets

2009-02-23T03:42:20Z

Siege: Linkfix

{{Infobox Podcast
| title = Siege's Snippets
| image =
| caption =
| host = [[Siege a Ferios|Siege]]
| url = http://snippets.furtopia.org/
| rss = http://snippets.furtopia.org/releases.xml
| atom =
| status = No established update schedule
| began = 12 June, 2008
| ended =
| genre = Philosophy, Talk, Storytelling
| ratings =
}}

'''Siege's Snippets''' is a podcast hosted by [[Siege a Ferios]], for the purpose of getting his voice on the 'net. Potential content includes factual and philosophical lectures (but not rants), news, interviews, travelogues, stories, music, and humor.

The website and email address were obtained in 2006, but no actual content appeared until Siege finally started building the site in May 2008. The RSS feed was added about two weeks before the first show was uploaded on June 12. There are still visual elements and a sidebar to be added, but the website is otherwise complete.

== Segments ==
''These are the segments produced so far for the show. The "about" page of the Snippets website contains a full listing of intended segments.''

* '''The Lecture:''' Siege performs a monologue on a particular topic. The first Lecture was highly "meta", being all about the show itself.
* '''Tailfluff:''' Something to think about or enjoy at the close of the show. Siege tries to have some Tailfluff for every episode.

== Lingo ==

* '''Meta:''' Talk about the show and its host, instead of other topics which are presumably more interesting.

== External links ==

* [http://siege.furtopia.org/ Siege's Snippets website]

{{Podcasts}}

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File:Draco ferios - LJ.png

2009-02-23T03:40:32Z

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== Summary ==
This is a thumbnail-size crop and resize of the full picture. Commissioned by [[Siege a Ferios|Siege]] from [[P_Moss]] at [[Morphicon]] 2004.

== Licensing ==
{{fursona}}

Character description

2009-02-23T03:39:19Z

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Characters (and other objects) on [[MU*]]s typically have descriptions which players can look at, to tell them what they're seeing in the text-based virtual environment. Although there may be programs such as "<tt>editplayer</tt>" which perform technical functions for players, these descriptions are usually set in place using a command such as <tt>@desc</tt> or <tt>@describe</tt>, like so:

@desc me=A beautiful male [[okapi]] stands here.

The abbreviated form, "'''desc'''", comes from this; it can be used to refer to any written description of a character regardless of origin, including text from [[MUCK]]s, [[:Category:Comics|comic]]s, or even an [[:Category:Artists|artist]]'s [[sketchbook]].

A character (and player by connection) will often be judged based on their description. This may explain the abundance of critiques on peoples' descs. Occasionally, a player might seek out an experienced writer willing to take commissions, in order to acquire a satisfactory desc.

A description is not necessarily static. It may change (or [[morph]]) according to the character's shape or clothing, or even indicate body positions (sitting, standing, sleeping). Using [[MPI]], it can also change according to the location, time of the day, or show different texts for different lookers.

Some players include [[Wikipedia:ASCII art|ASCII art]] in their descriptions. This is only displayed correctly in clients with fixed width fonts with similar use of colors.

A description should be long enough to identify the character and mention all specific features, but should not be overly long: many readers don't want to spend time looking for information in long, complex descriptions.

== See also ==
* [[Siege a Ferios|Siege]]'s article on writing [[User:Siege/Effective descs|Effective descs]]

== External links ==
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/twinkdesc/ Twinkdesc] is a mailing list for commentary on poor descs.

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File:Cioe B.png

2009-02-23T03:38:36Z

Siege: Linkfix

A close but inaccurate picture of Cioe from ''[[Siege a Ferios#Cioe B details|Cioe B]]''. This image was created using the Gaia Dream Avatar Creator at http://www.tektek.org/ and will be replaced once a more accurate commission can be obtained.
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Cioe B

2009-02-23T03:36:55Z

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SonicBlu Darkfold

2009-02-23T03:36:27Z

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[[Image:dino01.jpg|right|frame|SonicBlu, hard at work]]
'''SonicBlu''' (born May 19, 1972) portrays a [[Wikipedia:Dilophosaurus|Dilophosaurus]] ([[dinosaur]]) character online, and considers himself a performer, singer, songwriter, author, columnist, voice actor and radio broadcaster, with a future outlook on live acting. He is currently looking towards a regular acting career to add to his workload within the arts.

At [[convention]]s, SonicBlu performs in [[variety show]]s and/or [[masquerade]]s. He is also a horror writer. He heads the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]] (FWO), and also records furry and non-furry [[Wikipedia:Parody music|parodies]] of popular music. SonicBlu's albums are available for purchase at any convention he attends. Recently, a local movie shoot granted him with yet another endeavor, which increased his interest in acting. In addition, he also hosts a nightly classic rock and oldies internet radio show, featuring voice impersonations of his zany cast of co-hosts and celebrities.

Due to a back injury, SonicBlu is no longer able to work any job which requires lifting, bending, stooping, standing, or sitting still for prolonged periods of time, and thus makes his living on his many endeavors. He lives in [[Wikipedia:Columbus, Ohio|Columbus, Ohio]], U.S.A.

== Biography ==

SonicBlu officially entered the fandom in 1997, when he had begun to write [[Wikipedia:Story|stories]] alongside his job, mostly pertaining to manual labor work. Because he kept constantly active and athletic, SonicBlu was never the type to sit still for too long.

=== Dreaming in radio ===

While living in [[Wikipedia:New Mexico|New Mexico]], colleagues, friends, and people he would meet on a daily basis suggested to SonicBlu that he should look into radio broadcasting. Through his extensive knowledge of classic rock and oldies, naturally deep voice, and outgoing personality, he decided to create five demo tapes of his broadcasting style and his ability to provide impromptu commentaries. He worked feverishly on five demo tapes, which displayed these and many other qualities that would win him a radio show, including voice talents, celebrity impersonations, and knowledge of musical history. He set out for the only radio station in town, headed by a DJ he once knew in passing. He handed the demo tapes over to the head DJ, who took an immediate liking to the style and material being used. Unfortunately, the DJ informed him that his style and personality was "too loud for a small, quiet town," and that he should "consider taking the show to a bigger city with a bigger audience." Not knowing whether to smile or frown at the news, SonicBlu put away his desires for broadcasting, and concentrated on his regular work duties.

=== Joy and misfortune ===

SonicBlu moved from New Mexico to Baltimore, where he started becoming more interested in writing after a visit to [[Anthrocon]] in 2000. Just a few months later, SonicBlu sustained a major spinal injury at his workplace, which put him out of commission from performing hard labor jobs, and also restricted his standing and sitting times. Though he had always considered himself to be a hard worker and the only one who didn't mind doing the majority of housework, he could not stand to be completely helpless in the face of the working world.

=== Words and music ===

He began concentrating more on his writing career, and in 2003, he published his first non-furry horror novel, which was a revision of ''The Outer Realm'' -- an old manuscript he originally started in the winter of 1996. By this time, he wrote eight furry stories, and was already beginning work on his second non-furry horror novel. A full year later marked the finalization of ''Brandish Mountain''. SonicBlu is currently considering the release of his longer works of fiction with two separate publishers. His shorter works of literature -- including quarterly articles -- can be seen regularly in the horror magazines ''Night to Dawn'' and ''Wicked Karnival''. Online magazines such as ''Naked Snake Online'' and ''Dark Walls'' have also featured his poetry.

SonicBlu did not just stop at these writings. During [[Mephit Furmeet]] 2003, he met with a [[PlanetFurry]] moderator, who mentioned a story-posting forum he may have found interesting. Later that weekend, he also learned of the community's radio broadcaster server, which caught SonicBlu's immediate attention and re-opened the door of opportunity on one of his many dream jobs.

A few months later, SonicBlu started the [[Time Machine Show]], which was based on the five demo tapes he made years ago. The show has been running for what would have been two solid years, but he was forced to take a nine-month hiatus due to lack of income to pay for an internet connection. During his downtime, SonicBlu concentrated on whatever paying projects he could find, which came from a few regular submissions made to horror magazines that continue to feature his literature. The Time Machine Show returned to internet radio with a new time schedule, and it still runs to this day. The show is aired via [[Wikipedia:Shoutcast|Shoutcast]] on weeknights from 10:00 PM to 3:00 AM Eastern time.

At times, SonicBlu will resort to celebrity impersonations to produce a more realistic feel of sending his listeners back in time to the prime ages of classic rock & roll. He is also known to provide voice talents for the show's comic relief.

=== Celebrities Take An Interest ===

SonicBlu plans to arrange live phone-in interviews with actual celebrities on his show. Some of the celebrities that have appeared on the Time Machine Show via phone-in include:
* '''[[Wikipedia:Eddy Medora|Eddy Medora]]''' (Former lead guitarist/vocalist of '''[[Wikipedia:The Sunrays|The Sunrays]]''')
* '''[[Wikipedia:David Kaffinetti|David Kaffinetti]]''' (Keyboardist for 60s group '''[[Wikipedia:Rare Bird|Rare Bird]]''' and the mock group '''[[Wikipedia:Spinal Tap|Spinal Tap]]''')
* '''[[Wikipedia:Christopher Young|Christopher Young]]''' (Musical composer for films such as ''[[Wikipedia:The Grudge|The Grudge]]'', ''[[Wikipedia:Exorcism of Emily Rose|Exorcism of Emily Rose]]'', and ''[[Wikipedia:Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge|Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge]]'')
* '''[[Wikipedia:Fat Momma|Fat Momma]]''' (Final contestant on Season 1 of ''[[Wikipedia:Who Wants To Be A Superhero|Who Wants To Be A Superhero]]'' on the [[Wikipedia:Sci-Fi Channel|Sci-Fi Channel]])

Other celebrities that have expressed interest in being interviewed live on the show, but have yet to appear as a guest include '''[[Wikipedia:Gary Lewis|Gary Lewis]]''' ('''[[Wikipedia:Jerry Lewis|Jery Lewis']]''' son, and front man for the rock group Gary Lewis & The Playboys), '''[[Wikipedia:Wanda Jackson|Wanda Jackson]]''' (The Queen of [[Wikipedia:Rockabilly|Rockabilly]]), '''[[Wikipedia:Whimsical Will|Whimsical Will]]''' (Demented News broadcaster on the '''[[Wikipedia:Dr. Demento|Dr. Demento]]''' Show), and '''[[Wikipedia:Jimmy Weldon|Jimmy Weldon]]''' (Yakky Doodle voice actor from the [[Wikipedia:Yogi Bear|Yogi Bear Show]]), to name a few. Many other celebrities SonicBlu met with (and most cases, befriended) have contributed a 15 - 30 second [[Wikipedia:Radio Commercial|radio spot]] to be played between songs and commercials.

=== Friends and performance ===

After his visit to [[Anthrocon]] 2004, he met with [[furry artist]] [[David Von Foxkin]] for the first time, where he welcomed the newcomer into the convention crowd by getting his [[fursuiting]] friends to surround him in an ever-growing group hug ([[furpile]]). Seeing how happy it made Foxkin, SonicBlu kept in touch with him on a regular basis.

A few months later, SonicBlu attended [[Mephit Furmeet]], where he considered performing during [[Wikipedia:Karaoke|karaoke]] night. His plans fell through: he got up enough courage right before the crew was ready to break down the equipment. With disappointment in his heart, he returned home, where he began to collect instrumental backing tracks to popular music. He practiced his poetic writing skills, audio mixing abilities, and singing voice to produce his own parody songs.

The first song he recorded was a tribute to Foxkin's "furpile" moment, entitled ''Pile of Furries'' (a parody of ''Ring of Fire'' by '''[[Wikipedia:Johnny Cash|Johnny Cash]]'''). Many more parodies were written -- one after the other -- before he realized he had enough material to fill at least three albums. SonicBlu put his writings aside momentarily to work on honing his singing/songwriting abilities, and ended up recording, mixing, and producing his first four albums, which included coming up with cover designs for each of them.

In 2005, his friend [[Siege a Ferios|Siege]] shone a light upon the opportunity for him to appear in a horror film that was being locally shot. He was included with the cast in a matter of a few days, and went on to offer his insight and acting/voice talents for the film. The movie is entitled ''Wormwood''.

=== [[Shiny|Shiny things]] ===

Flashy LED gadgets seem to be all the rage these days, and SonicBlu has opened up his own online store. They are available for sale any time, but they mostly sell out during conventions. Some of the items he sells consist of LED name badges, LED belt buckles, LED fans, sunglasses that glow and strobe in the dark, LED dog collars, pet blinkers, and LED quartz crystal necklaces that illuminate in a pattern of colors.

== Furry bibliography ==

* ''A Tailor's Honor''
* ''Stewart Gordon''
* ''The Gorokk Trilogy'' (Anthology)
* ''Miko's Fire''
* ''Kamara's War''
* ''Gorokk's Peace''
* ''Insurrection of the Werewolf''
* ''The Magic of Zhane Tarnsworth''
* ''Furry of Darkness'' (Anthology)
* ''Howl Three Times By Midnight''
* ''Challenging the Gods''
* ''The Ring of Kraig''
* ''Of Wilderness and Mystical Might''
* ''Beast of the Blood-Red Sands''

== Non-Furry bibliography ==
* ''The Outer Realm (First Pressing)'' (Novel, Trafford)
* ''The Outer Reealm (Second Pressing)'' (Novel, Raccoon's Bookshelf)
* ''Brandish Mountain'' (Novel, pending release)
* ''The Little Vampire'' (Poem, ''Night to Dawn'', issue #6)
* ''Death's Hands'' (Poem, ''Naked Snake Press'', March 2004)
* ''Birds of Prey'' (Poem, Dark Walls, spring 2004)
* ''Belly of the Beast'' (Poem, ''Dark Walls'', spring 2004)
* ''Voices'' (Poem, ''Dark Walls'', spring 2004)
* ''Demonic Doom'' (Poem, Dark Walls, summer 2004)
* ''My Goblet of Gold'' (Poem, Dark Walls, summer 2004)
* ''A Damsel's Passing: A Tribute to the Late Fay Wray'' (Poem, ''Dark Walls'', summer 2004)
* ''They Always Come Home'' (Poem, ''Dark Walls'', summer 2004)''
* ''Otrava: The Vampire of Venom'' (Poem, ''Night to Dawn'', issue #7)
* ''Family Blood Flows Thicker'' (Short Story, ''Night to Dawn'', issue #9)

== Interviews and articles ==
*Interview: '''Ben Chapman''' (Actor: ''[[Wikipedia:Creature from the Black Lagoon|Creature From the Black Logoon]]'' - 1954) - ''Wicked Karnival #4''
*Article: ''Ouija Boards: Paranormal Reality or a Subconscious Mind Trick?'' - ''Wicked Karnival #5''
*Interview: '''[[Wikipedia:Bob Clark|Bob Clark]]''' (Director: ''[[Wikipedia:A Christmas Story|A Christmas Story]]'' - 1983; ''[[Wikipedia:Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things|Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things]]'' - 1972) - ''Wicked Karnival #6
*Article: ''Strange Case of the Living Doll'' - ''Wicked Karnival #6''
*Interview: '''Claudia Pennington''' (CEO: Key West Arts and Historical Society) - ''Wicked Karnival #6

Pending Publication:

*Interview: '''Carla Laemmle''' (Actress: ''[[Wikipedia:Phantom of the Opera|Phantom of the Opera]]'' - 1925; ''[[Wikipedia:Dracula|Dracula]]'' - 1931) - ''Doorways Magazine (Mid-December 2007)
*Interview: '''Kenny Miller''' (Actor: ''[[Wikipedia:I Was a Teenage Werewolf|I Was a Teenage Werewolf]]'' - 1957; ''Attack of the Pupper People'' - 1958) - ''Wicked Karnival #8 (February 2008)

== Discography ==
Current releases:
* ''Fur Folks & Fun'' (2005)
* ''Sprout Your Fur'' (2005)
* ''Keep Frozen Until Ready to Use'' (2006)
* ''Four on the Floor...And Ready to Roll'' (2007)

Future planned releases:

* ''Who's Naughty, Who's Nice: The Best of SonicBlu Vol. 1'' (2008)
* ''Who's Naughty, Who's Nice: The Best of SonicBlu Vol. 2'' (2008)
* ''Incoming!'' (2009)

== Filmography ==
* ''Wormwood'' (2005)

==External links==
{{Contributor|Sonicblu}}

NOTE: Retrieving the links below on 15Nov2008 shows that the domain sonicblu.net has been portalled.
*[http://www.milestoneawards.com/sonicblu SonicBlu's Realm]
*[http://www.planetfurry.com/users/sonicblu/ SonicBlu Presents: The Time Machine Show] (temporary address)
*[http://sonicblu.horrorofzombie.com/store/ Shiny Things Store]

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Siege a Ferios

2009-02-23T03:34:44Z

Siege: /* Cioe B details */ Linkfix

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'''Siege á Ferios''' (previously known as '''Siege Voxus''', typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[RPG|role-playing game]] monsters throughout much of his life to that point.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, which functions parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* He authors the story ''Cioe B'', hosted on LiveJournal, which is currently on permanent hiatus.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== Cioe B details ==
[[image:Cioe B.png|right|Cioe B]]

'''''Cioe B''''' is a story in progress, hosted on [[LiveJournal]] and written by [[Siege a Ferios]]. It features the history of several groups of genetically altered animals (called ''savant animals''), and one young coyote in particular.

Its last update was Dec 31, 2005, and the story may be considered on permanent hiatus as of 2008.

Because the story has not advanced very far, spoilers don't exist for it. This is subject to change as plot and backstory develops. Note that older entries in the journal are subject to occasional revision, mostly for word choice or consistency issues.

=== Characters and organizations ===

'''Cioe B Canis Latrans:''' The main character. Her name is pronounced "ch(y)o'ee" (using the ''ci'' from ''ciao'' and the ''oe'' from ''Zoe''). She is a Beta savant, one of the second-generation savant animal types. She works mostly as a secretarial type.

'''Azume Biotech:''' (Pronounced "AH-zoo-may".) This company is the original source of savant animals. It has shady backers who have been unclear as to the actual goals of project "Alpha Savant". None of its personnel or directors has yet appeared as part of the main story, though a commentary was begun in one of the posts.

'''Zero Alpha:''' This is the first progenitor of the Alpha savants. He originates primarily from Golden retrievers. Due to his swift mental development and capacity for interbreeding with the various subjects, he escapes euthanization for many years.

== Siege's Snippets details ==
'''''[[Siege's Snippets]]''''' is a podcast, produced and hosted by Siege, intended to be a source of ponderings and philosophy, as well as a showcase of others' written works (as read by Siege). As noted on its website, Siege also offers advertising and his voice talents for compensation.

The podcast's inaugural show in June 2008 covered what one might expect from the show; due to the lack of updates as of February 2009, renewed production may bring changes in format or guidelines.

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}
* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]
* [http://cioe-b.livejournal.com/ Cioe B LiveJournal]

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User:Siege

2009-02-23T03:34:01Z

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<div style="float: right;">{{User Administrator}}</div>
Hi. Here's my wiki user page. If you want to say hi back to me, you can use [[User Talk:Siege|my talk page]], my email, and my IMs.

* Email and Google Talk: [''siegemail at gmail''] (edited to reduce incoming spam)
<div style="float: right;">{{user IRC|SiegeV}}</div>
* AIM: Siege Voxus

Please note that I log all IMs. I do promise not to publish or share these logs without your permission except as absolutely necessary, or as compelled by law. If you choose to publish any logs of me without my permission, I may consider this personal restriction to be voided in the case of that particular conversation: your publication may be taken as permission to publish my own, and vice-versa.

Also note that as a personal policy, I try not to be directly involved in the exclusion of pages on this wiki; I typically forward such requests to other Administrators, and bow to their decisions. If someone asks me for my opinion of such a request, I may give an opinion, but that's pretty much all I'll do.

== Quotes ==
* I come and go as I please. Yet shall I return betimes, for I am fond of you.
* Do your bit to prevent confusion: Use disambiguation text wherever necessary.
* Do you have categorical knowledge? Good, go fill in a category!
* Wikis need both volume and detail. But accuracy is at least as important.
* If you want a page on something, it is enough simply to know a little about your subject, and you can start that page. But if you want ''participation'', make sure it's on a popular subject, or at least point the subject and/or its fans at the page you made so they can help edit it.
* I like finding clever things to play with on my user page. But simple and organized is better than crowded and complex.
* *bangs Playskool hammer on a Duplo block* I'm wearing my Superman cape and my Aqua Man undies, I've got a Batman utility belt and a Green Lantern ring. I've got Protoman's gun right here, and you may address me as ''JUDGE DREDD SIR!'' Now that we've established my delusions of authority, let's settle this matter once and for all.

== Personal articles and projects ==
{{ContributorU|Siege a Ferios}}
* [[/Effective descs]]
* [[/On meditation]]
* [[/Handwashing tips]]
* [[/Advice for attacks on WikiFur]]
* [[/How to merge pages]]

* [[:Category:Podcasts]] and [[:Category:Podcasters]] (Well, I'm acting gardener for them, anyway.)
* Cleanup and determination of podcast/radio status for Podcast and Radio articles, since many [[:Category:Radio]] articles may also belong in [[:Category:Podcasts]], or may have been miscategorised (if there is/was no live/streaming feed available). ''(See [[Forum:Moving Podcasts and Podcasters to Radio]] for more.)''

== Links to Wiki-things ==
*[[Special:Ancientpages]] - Sometimes an older page needs editing, but nobody bothers because they didn't see it on their watchlist or the recent changes page. And heck, if it doesn't need editing, [[WikiFur:Featured_article_candidates|nominate it for page of the week]]!

*[[:Category:Cleanup]] - Does an article need "wikifying", or at least a good edit? Here are a few you could work on.
*[[:Category:Stubs]] - Is an article a bit short, or does it seem incomplete? Maybe you can help flesh it out!

*[[Special:Categories]] - If there's no category on it, then maybe it needs one? If it has categories, are they the right ones?
:[[Special:Uncategorizedcategories]]
:[[Special:Uncategorizedpages]]

*[[:Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion]] - Examples of things we think aren't worth keeping.

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Talk:Siege

2009-02-23T03:32:58Z

Siege: Do we really need this page?

Thinking about it... do we need this page? The search page would come up with these articles anyway... -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Siege a Ferios

2009-02-23T03:29:07Z

Siege: Fixing whole-article insertion errors and a few miscellanous edits

{{cleanup}}
'''Siege á Ferios''' (previously known as '''Siege Voxus''', typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[RPG|role-playing game]] monsters throughout much of his life to that point.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, which functions parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* He authors the story ''Cioe B'', hosted on LiveJournal, which is currently on permanent hiatus.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== Cioe B details ==
[[image:Cioe B.png|right|Cioe B]]

'''''Cioe B''''' is a story in progress, hosted on [[LiveJournal]] and written by [[Siege Voxus]]. It features the history of several groups of genetically altered animals (called ''savant animals''), and one young coyote in particular.

Its last update was Dec 31, 2005, and the story may be considered on permanent hiatus as of 2008.

Because the story has not advanced very far, spoilers don't exist for it. This is subject to change as plot and backstory develops. Note that older entries in the journal are subject to occasional revision, mostly for word choice or consistency issues.

=== Characters and organizations ===

'''Cioe B Canis Latrans:''' The main character. Her name is pronounced "ch(y)o'ee" (using the ''ci'' from ''ciao'' and the ''oe'' from ''Zoe''). She is a Beta savant, one of the second-generation savant animal types. She works mostly as a secretarial type.

'''Azume Biotech:''' (Pronounced "AH-zoo-may".) This company is the original source of savant animals. It has shady backers who have been unclear as to the actual goals of project "Alpha Savant". None of its personnel or directors has yet appeared as part of the main story, though a commentary was begun in one of the posts.

'''Zero Alpha:''' This is the first progenitor of the Alpha savants. He originates primarily from Golden retrievers. Due to his swift mental development and capacity for interbreeding with the various subjects, he escapes euthanization for many years.

== Siege's Snippets details ==
'''''[[Siege's Snippets]]''''' is a podcast, produced and hosted by Siege, intended to be a source of ponderings and philosophy, as well as a showcase of others' written works (as read by Siege). As noted on its website, Siege also offers advertising and his voice talents for compensation.

The podcast's inaugural show in June 2008 covered what one might expect from the show; due to the lack of updates as of February 2009, renewed production may bring changes in format or guidelines.

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}
* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]
* [http://cioe-b.livejournal.com/ Cioe B LiveJournal]

[[Category:People]] [[Category:Writers]] [[Category:Podcasters]]
[[Category:Otherkin]]
[[Category:Morphicon staff]]
[[Category:Dragon characters]]
[[Category:Ohio]] [[Category:Indiana]]
[[Category:1975 births]]

Siege's Snippets

2009-02-23T03:28:35Z

Siege: A few updates -- watch this space!

{{Infobox Podcast
| title = Siege's Snippets
| image =
| caption =
| host = [[Siege Voxus|Siege]]
| url = http://snippets.furtopia.org/
| rss = http://snippets.furtopia.org/releases.xml
| atom =
| status = No established update schedule
| began = 12 June, 2008
| ended =
| genre = Philosophy, Talk, Storytelling
| ratings =
}}

'''Siege's Snippets''' is a podcast hosted by [[Siege a Ferios]], for the purpose of getting his voice on the 'net. Potential content includes factual and philosophical lectures (but not rants), news, interviews, travelogues, stories, music, and humor.

The website and email address were obtained in 2006, but no actual content appeared until Siege finally started building the site in May 2008. The RSS feed was added about two weeks before the first show was uploaded on June 12. There are still visual elements and a sidebar to be added, but the website is otherwise complete.

== Segments ==
''These are the segments produced so far for the show. The "about" page of the Snippets website contains a full listing of intended segments.''

* '''The Lecture:''' Siege performs a monologue on a particular topic. The first Lecture was highly "meta", being all about the show itself.
* '''Tailfluff:''' Something to think about or enjoy at the close of the show. Siege tries to have some Tailfluff for every episode.

== Lingo ==

* '''Meta:''' Talk about the show and its host, instead of other topics which are presumably more interesting.

== External links ==

* [http://siege.furtopia.org/ Siege's Snippets website]

{{Podcasts}}

[[Category:Podcasts]] [[Category:2008 births]]

Siege a Ferios

2009-02-23T03:07:44Z

Siege: Siege Voxus moved to Siege a Ferios: Character name change

{{cleanup}}
'''Siege Voxus''' (typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[role-playing game]] monsters throughout most of his prior life.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, which functions parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== Cioe B ==

'''''Cioe B''''' is a story in progress, hosted on [[LiveJournal]] and written by [[Siege Voxus]]. It features the history of several groups of genetically altered animals (called ''savant animals''), and one young coyote in particular.

Its last update was Dec 31, 2005, and the story may be considered on permanent hiatus as of 2008.

== Summary ==
[[image:Cioe B.png|right|Cioe B]]
From the journal's [http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=cioe_b user info page]:

:''Savant animals were created as a genetic experiment. Eventually they became the slaves of a slaveless society. The Alpha Savants were optioned by the world's militaries, and became the "Dogs of War". The Beta Savants, of which Cioe is a prime example, were commercial and public servants; secretaries and nursemaids and other, less desirable work was theirs. Gamma Savants started the legal battles between animal-rights and human-rights, while also receiving few or none of either set... They revolted, just as the final generation, the Delta Savants were created.''

:''This is Cioe's story, caught in the middle of it all.''

Because the story has not advanced very far, there are as of yet no clear spoilers. This is subject to change as plot and backstory develops. Note that older entries in the journal are subject to occasional revision, mostly for word choice or consistency issues.

== Characters and organizations ==

'''Cioe B Canis Latrans:''' The main character. Her name is pronounced "ch(y)o'ee" (using the ''ci'' from ''ciao'' and the ''oe'' from ''Zoe''). She is a Beta savant, one of the second-generation savant animal types. She is mostly a secretary.

'''Azume Biotech:''' (Pronounced "AH-zoo'may".) This company is the original source of savant animals. It has shady backers who have been unclear as to the actual goals of project "Alpha Savant". None of its personnel or directors has yet appeared as part of the main story, though a commentary was begun in one of the posts.

'''Zero Alpha:''' This is the first progenitor of the Alpha savants. He originates primarily from golden retrievers. Due to his swift mental development and capacity for interbreeding, he escapes euthanization for many years.

== See also ==
* [[Siege's Snippets]] - a podcast, produced and hosted by Siege

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}
* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]
* [http://cioe-b.livejournal.com/ Cioe B LiveJournal]

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Writers]]
[[Category:Podcasters]]
[[Category:Otherkin]]
[[Category:Morphicon staff]][[Category:Dragon characters]]
[[Category:Ohio]][[Category:Indiana]]
[[Category:1975 births]]

Siege Voxus

2009-02-23T03:07:44Z

Siege: Siege Voxus moved to Siege a Ferios: Character name change

#REDIRECT [[Siege a Ferios]]

User talk:Sine

2009-02-23T03:05:41Z

Siege: /* Regarding merger of Cioe B into Siege Voxus */ new section

It may take me a day or three to respond, and I am unlikely to respond to what I perceive as rhetorical questions. '''Please assume I have a reason for the edits I make, and be courteous in what you write here.'''

The best place for most discussion is the talk page of the particular article or category concerned, rather than here.

== Archives ==

* [[/FebMar2006|February - March 2006]] | [[/AprMay2006|April - May 2006]] | [[/June2006|June 2006]] | [[/July2006|July 2006]] | [[/AugSept2006|August - September 2006]] | [[/Oct2006|October 2006]] | [[/NovDec2006|November - December 2006]]
* [[/2007|January - March 2007]] | [[/Apr2007|April 2007]] | [[/MayDec2007|May - December 2007]]
* [[/2008|January - June 2008]]

== Article: Raykese ==
Thank you for pointing out the current flaw on the page that Im working on. To be quite honest, as Im not even remotely close to finished what I'm doing with it as a whole, I wasn't really expecting anyone to even take a look at. I will try to make the needed corrections to it as soon as feasible, thank you. If there is anything, please mention it to me; I'm still very new to wiki.
[[User:Slicktified|Slicktified]] 21:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Hello from Asylumfoxy714/Straitfox ==
Hi sadly to say this but it said that you altered my article....sadly it was perfect the way it was made so sadly you must let me handle it please, and thank you.

:Addressed on [[User_talk:Asylumfoxy714]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 02:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes i know but please....I'm just trying to show people the truth here, not let people show the lies.... So please, tahnk you and we won't have any problems.

== somewolf ==

i am unhappy with you removing a mayor part of the article about my person

to make it short: not only i do consider this a mayor part and i am pissed now

please correct me if policy on article content changed lately

[[User:Somewolf|somewolf]] 19:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, somewolf. Our aim here is to have neutral, factual articles, and the sections which I moved from the article about you to your userpage aren't the sort of content that is really appropriate in an article: hence why I moved it. If you'd like to discuss this further, the best place is probably on [[Talk:Somewolf]], where other editors are more liley to see the discussion and respond. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 22:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

== I moved the "Socio-economic factor" section ==

Moved it from [[Georgia Furs]] to [[Middle Georgia Furs]], since it seems much more relevant to that article. It's a bit of a long-winded section, but I wrote it to explain why there aren't many furs who live in Middle Georgia or do live here but not come out about it. --[[User:RayneVanDunem|RayneVanDunem]] 19:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Timothy Fay's Entry on WikiFur ==

I can verify the fact template regarding my "significantly left-of-centre" views as accurate. The definition of "left-of-centre" might be in dispute, but I have no objection to that characterization.

As for ''The NIMH File'' and its status as a "sought-after collector's item" that, too, might be open to debate. However, I still occasionally get requests for copies of the fanzine, and one of the copies sold on eBay recently for $80. That, I believe, could qualify it as "sought-after."

[[User:TimKangaroo|TimKangaroo]] 02:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sable Edit ==

Hey ^__-

all my references were Sable herself. But i'm not sure where on the page to put that so if you coul that could help,i'm also new to the whole Furry Wiki thing so if you know how to clean it up to fit standards.... >____________> that would be kewl. (=^_^=);;

GravyMasta

== New articles! ==

I've been meaning to tell you for some time--it's a pleasure working with you. I enjoy creating stubs and seeing you frequently soon add to them with external links and so forth. And you create elegeant stubs yourself!

I wanted to mention that I'm not planning to create many new articles for a time; I like the idea of our hitting ten thousand total articles soon after we move to wikifur.com, rather than while we're still at Wikia, and I'm not sure how our rate of growth will co-incide with the move schedule. So I'm focusing on cleanup, including some merging and deletion, for now. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:22, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Sine, and thankyou for your kind words! I'm glad you approve of my own stubs and the additions to yours - as you're one of the biggest contributors here, I've tried to mimic your style and learn from your corrections.

:I might follow your lead and cut down on the creation of new articles. It would be kind of nice if the rollover to 10,000 articles occurs with WikiFur established in its new home. I dare say there's enough cleaning up and tweaking to be done in the meantime. --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Incorrect Link on last Edit ==

Hello, this is Rather_Dashing1121.
You recently edited my page, adding a link on my mate's name (Onai) to someone who is not my mate. Please do not add a link under her name if you edit the page again.

Thanks!

-Dashing

:Sorry about that--we usually make names links, and one doesn't always check for name collisions. Is your mate part of the fandom? We can set up a disambiguation page and create an article specifically about her. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 06:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== Positioning of cleanup tag ==

Hello Sine, just a little question about the cleanup template tag:
A short time ago you moved the tag on the article [[Amalgam]] from the bottom to the top. The description on the [[WikiFur:Templates/Revision_Templates|template page]] is the following: "If the article has a number of faults, then place this tag either at the bottom of the article or inside the particular section that needs it." Thus I thought the tag should be inserted at the bottom as it belonged to the whole article, not just a single section. thus my general question now: Should this tag, if used for a whole article, be placed at the top all the time? Why the "at the bottom" statement in the template description then? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to argue, I just want to know how to correctly do this in the future. Thanks for your answer in advance, greetings [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 19:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's a good question! I've always seen templates at the top; I'm going to adjust the template description accordingly. Thanks for catching the inconsistency. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Mimiga==
Hi Sine. A quick note: "Doukutsu Monogatari" in the article [[Mimiga]] is an external link (to Wikipedia), so the merge template you've inserted is suggesting a merge with an article that doesn't exist on WikiFur.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 22:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== SOAP Members? ==

Why was this category removed? There's about 20-30 of us total, we're not exactly a small group.[[User:Pathia|Pathia]] 08:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
: ''Replied on User talk:Pathia''. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 09:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== Myrla Article ==

Hello, Sine. Sashi Akihana here. Just wanted to thank you for your edit work on my new page about [[Myrla]]. I'm pretty new at this. Your changes make much more sense. :3 Only issue I am having right now is with my log in though. No matter how many times I log in, as soon as I go to a page, I'm no longer logged in.. Any idea what could be causing that?
[[Special:Contributions/72.171.0.141|72.171.0.141]] 14:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:Replied on [[User talk:72.171.0.141]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 06:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks for helping ==

Hi there, just saying thanks for properly putting my page together. When I have time I will go through and format it, but being as new as I am, I don't have many topics to write about. What would be your suggestion on how to format it correctly?
[[User:Wishfur|Wishfur]] 23:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding merger of Cioe B into Siege Voxus ==

Seriously? In [[Talk:Cioe B]], I already noted that there would be problems just dropping one article into the other, because the flow of the page would be disrupted; and as has been noted with the Cleanup tag, the wiki's style conventions are now abrogated.

I guess I'll just have to fix it myself, since it wasn't discussed with me.
-- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Forum:Fursona Test - Help Needed!

2009-02-23T02:54:24Z

Siege: Bad test, try again

<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' [[Forum:Index|Index]] > [[Forum:Watercooler|Watercooler]] > {{PAGENAME}}</div> 

[[Category:Watercooler]]



Hi folks,

I have just created a 'What would your fursona be?' test and I need people to take it and give me feedback so I can tweak it for accuracy. I'm not going to lie, I have entered it in a competition and so far it is second (being beaten by a test about what animals you can recognize, ffs...)

I would be supremely grateful if you could take it and post your results and your real fursona here so I can see how well it is working.

The test is here:

http://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-100-accurate-what-is-my-fursona-test

Thanks!

Mooks. [[User:Mooksalicious|Mooksalicious]] 03:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:Errors in processing: Insults detected: error in sarcasm function: irony lacks visibility. Non sequitur kaleidoscope. Uses copyrighted images. Please repair data and try again.
:I gave it one star. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 02:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Siege's Snippets

2008-07-27T22:51:38Z

Siege: /* External links */ +cat

{{Infobox Podcast
| title = Siege's Snippets
| image =
| caption =
| host = [[Siege Voxus|Siege]]
| url = http://snippets.furtopia.org/
| rss = http://snippets.furtopia.org/releases.xml
| atom =
| status = New, no established update schedule
| began = 12 June, 2008
| ended =
| genre = Talk
| ratings =
}}

'''Siege's Snippets''' is a new podcast hosted by [[Siege Voxus]], for the purpose of getting his voice on the 'net. Potential content includes lectures (but not rants), news, interviews, travelogues, stories, music, and humor.

The website and email address were obtained in 2006, but no actual content appeared until Siege finally started building the site in May 2008. The RSS feed was added about two weeks before the first show was uploaded on June 12. There are still visual elements and a sidebar to be added, but the website is otherwise complete.

== Segments ==
''These are the segments produced so far for the show. The "about" page of the Snippets website contains a full listing of intended segments.''

* '''The Lecture:''' Siege performs a monologue on a particular topic. The first Lecture was highly "meta", being all about the show itself.
* '''Tailfluff:''' Something to think about or enjoy at the close of the show. Siege tries to have some Tailfluff for every episode.

== Lingo ==

* '''Meta:''' Talk about the show and its host, instead of other topics which are presumably more interesting.

== External links ==

* [http://siege.furtopia.org/ Siege's Snippets website]

{{Podcasts}}

[[Category:Podcasts]] [[Category:2008 births]]

Talk:David E. Klinkler

2008-07-26T22:46:51Z

Siege: /* On furries as a whole */ new section

_A_ David E Klinkler died in El Cajon on that date, but I doubt if it was the same one that attended CF7 the following week (Jan 12th 1996). Any references/sources? [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 10:41, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Matter resolved with some Google Group excavation. Truly a horrible incident, and one that I'll admit that I was unaware of (before my time). If any of David's friends or people who knew him would care to add some details about him and his life, it would be appreciated. Looking at some of the old Usenet postings, he plainly had a large number of people who cared about him, and I'm sure his life was enriched by that.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 20:12, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. My sincerest apologies if my initial comment comes over as offensive - the facts of his death are indeed publically available, but it's not mentioned in any of the newsletters linked from the [[CF7]] page, so I assumed that he'd attended the convention. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 20:18, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== David ==

David was truly one person I will never forget.

He was an artist who loved his music. He could be found rearranging his music at any time that the creative bug bit him.

He was a generous young man who provided me with a place to live and all he asked for in exchange was that I watch his children while he and his wife Z were at class in college.

David was murdered, along with a friend of his named Gary, as they walked the streets of El Cajon, CA.

Years later it turned out to have been a murder committed by two angry teenagers. I have yet to learn their motive for this act of senseless violence.

David loved being a Furry. I did not share his love for this group, but, I did enjoy the characters when they came over for a night of games and socializing.

David was one person who I believe would have made a difference in the world had he been able to live his life to it's fullest.

I will always remember David and his wife Z for the help they gave me and for the lessons I learned about tolerence and understanding through knowing them. {{unsigned|Crobbins}}

== On furries as a whole ==

Just left a statement on [[Talk:MetalHead]] about this incident as a singular event in the furry fandom, and what that says about furries. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 22:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:MetalHead

2008-07-26T22:44:33Z

Siege: Testimonial on furries as a group

==On furries as a whole==

Y'know, so far as I know, MetalHead and [[Rrroofus]] are the only furries who have ever been murdered. Ever. (There were one or two who could have been in 9/11/01, but I believe they were found within the next few days.) In terms of location, societal position, and personal relations, that actually says quite a lot about the kinds of environments that furries tend to encourage around themselves. From the early 1980s to now, 2008, to have a single incident of death by violence in twenty-some-odd years in a fandom growing from a couple dozen folks in widely separated groups to tens and possibly a couple hundred thousand across the world, that's an outlier statistic.

And then with all the intense socialization and communication furries do, the "bad" ones (intimidators, thieves, and the like) get quickly identified and ostracized. We've had, what, maybe a double-handful of them that I've heard of since 1994 when I started posting on [[alt.fan.furry]] from my college internet account? Fewer, maybe?

Those two facts alone suggest to me that furries are generally good people. A bit dramatic, maybe, but what fandom isn't with all the teenagers just discovering their favorite kinds of angst?

And the testimonials I've read all mentioned the kind of folks these two were. Some furs say that our fandom is like family to them; for MetalHead, they were. Once again, I'd say that this testifies to the kind of people we attract. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 22:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Mozdoc

2008-07-25T19:35:19Z

Siege: Despite saying I'm done, a correction on the gofer record.

'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (whose given name is a matter of public record) is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He resides in California, U.S.A.

Mozdoc has assisted as a [[Wikipedia:gofer|gofer]] at [[Further Confusion 2008]], and signed up to gofer at [[Califur 4]], but never participated.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 Analysis of Mozdoc at FC 08] - [[Ayukawataur]] (30 January 2008)</ref> <ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc#fc.2708 Attestations of both Ayukawataur and Mozdoc]</ref>

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into the account of [[Argon Hamilton|Argon]] (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper. <ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent ban. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He was also banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

As of May 2007, Mozdoc has been unbanned from FurryMUCK.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref>

Both Kacey and Noriko were named as protected parties on the TRO. This prohibited Mozdoc from having any contact with Ayukawataur and he was banned from [[FurBid]] as Noriko believed him using her system would inevitably result in contact. When the TRO expired in November of 2005, Ayukawataur reviewed his constant attempts to covertly use the system. She decided at that time to not restore his access. He was unbanned in September 2007, but re-banned a month and a half later.<ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/59999.html mr. mozdoc] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (September 23, 2007)</ref><ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/64078.html mozdoc reloaded] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (November 13, 2007)</ref> At this time there is no projected date to review his status.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by Fur Affinity administration. [[Dragoneer]] stated in May 2008 that Mozdoc was "permanently banned from Fur Affinity and all of its services. That ban will not be lifted."<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666 Re: Unban Me From FurAffinity And Start Answering My Messages]. May 13, 2008 post by [[Dragoneer]] to Fur Affinity forums. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums,<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref> including [[Bernard Doove]]'s LiveJournal.<ref>January 4, 2007 anonymous comments, signed Mozdoc, in [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html Happy New Year!] LiveJournal post. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.{{fact}} [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.

== References ==
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== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)
* [http://mozdocalicentaur.deviantart.com/ mozdocalicentaur] on [[deviantART]] (banned)

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2008-07-25T18:32:58Z

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== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting tally (June 29th, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::sez findra: "(Mozdoc) was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff." I had been under the impression that a convention's "staff" includes ''everybody'' who works 'behind the scenes' to make a convention happen, be they full-fledged ConCom members or volunteer gophers or what. Stupid (albeit honest) question: Why ''isn't'' a "volunteer" considered to be part of a convention's "staff"? Is this just a traditional term of art, or what? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::A staff member at a convention is usually someone who is scheduled in advance, works in a specific department, and has a specific role laid out for them. Volunteers by comparison are just random folks who walk up and offer to help. They have no set commitment, and can put in as much or as little work as they like, and can work in different areas during the con. Volunteers who work a lot usually become staff members the following year. :-) At least, that's how the volunteer and staff system works at Anthrocon. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 3rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

:'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

:It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

:'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

:Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

::::I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

::::Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

::::::Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

::::::You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

::::::'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

::::::And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::'''CONCERN TROLL'''
:::::::"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

:::::::Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

:::::::Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

:::::::If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

:::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here for everyone to see. [[User:Hellkat9940|Hellkat9940]] 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed) ==

It seems that in regards to the removal of Mozdoc's real name, most of the people here are missing what should be very obvious - the fact that the removal of his real name would not be a permanent, "for all time" event.

Just because it is removed, does NOT mean that it could never be added again should he become overly aggressive once more. ALSO, if he DOES straighen out, such information could be further added to his artcile showing that fact. The opposite can also be true.

Ladies and Gentlemen, We have before us a golden opportunity to guide this individual into a better life. Shall we use it, or throw it away?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:On second thought, why bother. Nobody really cares anyway - if they did, a lot of what is going wrong in this day and age would not be happening.

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Can we get this over with please? ==

Or is the date going to just keep getting pushed back until theres enough to support an unfavorable result because its July 7th today and thats when the final decision was supposed to take place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 14:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:The decision closes on July 7th. Personally, I would have chosen the end of it for all time zones, but Siege is welcome to close the discussion at any time that they feel appropriate.

:If you have to rely on timing to ensure that you have a favourable response to the proposal, it rather brings into question your confidence of public support for the proposal. (I'm not too happy that we had to have a vote on this in the first place, rather than reaching a consensus on the best - any case where a significant proportion of the population feels we're doing the wrong thing is unfortunate.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article. No one added themselves to the persons against it, and no one decided to get off the fence and go for one side or the other. As far as I see it, this is fucking over. I'm getting my name off the article before this drags out another week because some moronic dumbass out there decides to bring up another excuse to drag it out even longer. I don't see why you can't all just agree to allow me to get the exclusion I ASKED for and get my name off of WikiFur ENTIRELY AS I WANT.
::--Mozdoc

:::sez Mozdoc: "As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article." No, there was not any such "advantage" -- not unless you know of any votes that were cast since the tally of 3 July 2008. Sure, the person signing themself as "Hellkat9940" offered their opinion on 7 July, but "Hellkat" did not go so far as to say "I vote to remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page". This leaves anybody but "Hellkat" unable to determine whether "Hellkat"'s position is "It's wrong, and I think it should be corrected," or "It's wrong, but I don't really care if it's corrected." As for the person who signed themself as "So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))", that's just AnthroSamurai under another pseudonym, and ''his'' (?) vote is already counted in the 3 July tally. So where's that "one or two vote advantage", Mozdoc? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Gee, it looks like you people are grasping for ANY EXCUSE to leave his name up on the article. Anyone with half a brain can see WHY Mozdoc is so pissed off at all of you - you're going out of your way to fuck with him.'''

::::'''You people are coming DANGEROURSLY CLOSE to making yet another deadly enemy - is that what you want?'''
::::'''And YOU Cubist, you better quit it with the childish shit before you get your ass paddled.'''

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthroSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

Deadlock. As some other users as suggested, we should put this already to rest (the proper way.) Contacting other registered (valid) users/Sysops by staff could be a solution, but (imho) this matter should be settled today [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: '''Why bother??? You KNOW that certain people will just dominate the situation and his name won't be removed either way. People are just using this as another means of messing with the guy to set him off.'''

: '''Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.'''

: [[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:: please enhance your calm anthrosamurai, lest ye be seen as no more than a troll who looses poorly. such would be bad for your cause.
:: i have remained quiet for a while now, however, i would like to say something now. yes, this should be closed. it has been going on for too long and some of the less mature among the ranks have started to show that immaturity. it will only devolve. however, at the same time, anything other than a verdict in their opinion favor will also be met with the same level of maturity. opinion, not fact, of which i hope i am wrong.
:: i would like to propose two things.
:: 1 - any future votes be restricted to established users. either side can easily find straw votes if we do not use that restriction.
:: 2 - preferably, we allow the admins themselves to make the decision, and no matter what it is, we agree to abide by it without complaint. their site, their decision. which is where it should have remained to begin with.
:: side note- i have edited anthrosamurai post above to provide proper indent format.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:::'''Here is what is going to happen.'''

:::Mozdoc's name will be removed for a period of one month.
:::If he starts further trouble, it will be re-added PERMANTLY, with no further consideration for it's removal.
:::What ELSE will happen... well, none of you really want to know.

:::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"''[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&diff=prev&oldid=203895 Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.]''"
::::*Users with the name [[RubberDuck]], [[Kong]], [[Blurrr]], and [[OneEyedWilley]] have not been found making any decisions (pro/con/neutral) about this vote presently. Will re-add their votes if they make their presence and/or wishes known.
::::*A quick inquiring note has been sent to users [[Cypher]], [[User:Hellcat9940|Hellcat9940]], and [[User:Duncan Wulfweards|Duncan Wulfweards]] to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes to the matter at hand.
::::[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Uh... I don't think that's your decision to make.
::::: And, I'm going to ask you again: knock it off with the [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AnthroSamurai&curid=40158&diff=203979&oldid=203919&rcid=212413 name calling] and [[Wikipedia:Incivility|general incivility]]. It is not helping things any. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Doug?

::::::'''F--- YOU'''

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 20:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING

BULLSHIT.

I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH.

I WAS SITTING HERE REFRESSING THE PAGE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER ACTIVITY GENERATED AFTER THAT TIME. THE VOTE WAS FINALIZED, THERE WAS NO MORE SHIT ON THE PAGE. I FUCKING WON AND NOW YOU LITTLE PUSSY FACED SHITFACED MOTHER FUCKING SACKS OF SLOPPY SHIT DECIDE TO GRASP AT WHATEVER MOTHER FUCKING STRAW YOU FUCKING CAN TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS *AGAIN*. FUCKING AGAIN. MOTHER FUCKING AGAIN.

KNOCK THIS FUCKING SHIT OFF! MY NAME IS TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FUCKING SITE IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS AGREED. LAST MINUTE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FUCKING VOTING ARE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THAT THIS WEBSITE AND ALL THE MORONIC DICKHEADS THAT RUN IT ARE BIASED AGAINST ME AND WILL DO NOTHING BY FUCK WITH THIS, FUCK WITH THAT, FUCK OVER THERE, FUCK OVER THERE, AND THEN FUCK EVERYTHING UP AFTER ITS SAID AND DONE.

YOU LITTLE DUMBSHIT ASSHOLES HAVE WASTED TWO WEEKS OF TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DONE WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN MY FAVOR THAT THIS VOTE WAS GOING AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO FUCKING LOOSE CAN YOU? WELL YOU HAVE. I FUCKING WON YOU LITTLE ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT. I FUCKING WON.

I WANT MY NAME REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

--Mozdoc
:sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH." 
:Really? There were ''seven'' votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Closure and explanation ===

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be '''kept''', for the following reasons:

* Only one person supporting removal is a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of edits outside this topic.
* Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. All had less than 200.
* Three of those opposing removal have two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits each.
* A comparison of edit counts gives a ratio of 40 to 1 for those opposing removal, without considering the relation of the edits to this article.

==== Supporting removal ====
*{{user|Mozdoc}}: 70 (100% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Michichael}}: 3 (two of which relate to Mozdoc)
*{{user|Rootdown}}: 79
*{{user|Hellkat9940}}: 1 (with two more as anon)
*{{user|SnowdriftGM}}: 8 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|AnthroSamurai}}: 153 (roughly 80% relating to this issue; currently blocked over insults)

'''Total:''' 314 edits

==== Opposing removal ====
*{{user|SpazKitty}}: 6454
*{{user|Findra}}: 22 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|DuncanDaHusky}}: 1232 + talk edits
*{{user|Ayukawataur}}: 197 (about 30% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Cubist}}: 37 (only 5 edits on this topic; unrelated prior edits)
*{{user|KendricksRedtail}}: 5666

'''Total:''' 13608 edits

I do not wish to devalue the views of those new to the site - their contributions are welcome and appreciated - but it is clear that those supporting removal do not represent regular editors, nor have they succeeded in swaying the opinion of these editors. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO.

This makes it six votes in my favor, FIVE in yours. My name should be removed. Look at the page history and tell me if I'm fucking wrong. I'm not. YOU ARE AND YOU'RE FIXING SHIT TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR TO JUST CONTINUOUSLY FUCK ME SO THAT I APPEAR TO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY YOU'RE FUCKING RULES AND HAVE MY NAME LISTED HERE WHEN I WANT EXCLUSION. How about just admitting fucking defeat and shutting the fuck up that for once YOU FUCKING LOST.

Get the hell over it and remove my name...NOW.

I would also like to add in the fact that there was NEVER ANYTHING SAID that people needed to have a certain number of edits to be fucking counted. If you're going to play this fucking game then I have every right to take your faggot asses to fucking court and demand removal of my existence from here. You're word that this would end, and obviously ended in my favor, breaks an agreement that was established here. Six to five in favor of removal of my name and yet you make up piss poor fucking excuses to keep it here citing stupid bullshit about the people who bothered to stand up against the little prick sacks of shit that run this site not having enough edits?

FUCK YOU. IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER HOW MANY EDITS A PERSON HAS. They participated in your fucking sick ass joke of a "community", and all they get is their support for me thrown out just because you think that it takes editing the fucking articles in here to be counted. I'm in agreeance with GreenReaper on this one that you are full of fucking shit and just grasping at whatever straws you can to have your fucking way and it isn't going to fucking happen. I ask that Kendrics be removed from this "voting" process and that my name be excluded from here, AS ASKED.

--Mozdoc
:sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I ''think'' [[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&oldid=139283 a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped '''2 May 2007''']] just ''might'' be relevant to your argument here... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

: It also does matter what placement a person has in the community, as if these particular members registered and started editing - or primarily edit articles relating to this conflict - as the people supporting removal do, then they could quite easily be people who registered primarily to sway the result of the vote and not to become a productive WikiFur member. They may have even been pressured into showing support without knowing the proper context of the debate. Add on to this that they don't even contribute enough to be considered representative of the community at large, and it's a very one sided battlefield here. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== UNJUST & DISHONORABLE ACTS ==

I think all wikifur users, and the fandom in general, should be made aware of the tactics and dirty tricks the site dictat - excuse me, ADMINISTRATORS - employ to get their way.

'''GREENREAPER''' - changing voting policy after the fact to support the underlings of his dictatorship.

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be kept, '''because only one of those supporting its removal is an unrelated party and a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of their edits outside of this topic,''' as opposed to four of those opposing its removal.
Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. Of those who had more, none had more than 200 edits, and only one was not mainly or solely involved with this situation.
Conversely, '''three of those opposing removal are WikiFur administrators with two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits,''' and one other editor also appears otherwise uninvolved with this conflict.
(These policies WERE NOT stated until AFTER voting was finished, and were used simply to gain an unfair advantage in favor of what he and his fellow controlers wanted.)

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'''SPIROU''' - removal of votes in favor of redaction, then claiming that he hadn't seen the votes and needed to "contact them to find out".

'''I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake.''' Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..
- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 (talk • contribs) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here''' for everyone to see. Hellkat9940 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick inquiring note has been sent to users Hellcat9940, and Duncan Wulfweards '''to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes''' to the matter at hand. Spirou 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(Duncan Wulfweards made it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that he was voting.... for redaction - Yet Spirou deleted his vote ANYWAY)

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CUBIST - General harrassment & support of dishonest actions by Spirou(re: vote deletion)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH."
Really? There were seven votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? Cubist 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I think [a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped 2 May 2007] just might be relevant to your argument here... Cubist 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(This voting was not in effect on May 2nd, '''2007''', so how can any such edit count towards offsetting Kendrick's voting AFTER the deadline?)

As for my not editing elsewhere, GREENREAPER conveniently leaves out certain facts in his desperate attempt to justify his dishonest and cowardly tactics.

As the situation now stands, wikifur itself is just as damaging to the reputation of the fandom as the perverts are.

[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 21:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:'''SHALL WE SHOOT-DOWN ANOTHER OF GREENREAPER'S LIES???'''

:AS USER "AnthroSamurai"

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:16:33, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Dmuth‎ (Replacing page with 'Hey moron, I had removed it before you even finished sending the message. NOW, if you want to continue to garbage.... Well, let's just say you'll find out how evil I really a...')

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:02:10, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase: Move Findra's posts to keep things in chronological order - Findra, PLEASE don't post in the middle like that, it makes it too hard for people to read new posts.)

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:18:55, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????: DAMNIT - keep forgeting to sign the posts. :)))

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:09:47, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Mozdoc‎ ((best way to laugh is to make others laugh))

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:15:19, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Request: new section)

:14:52, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?: new section)

:'''00:02, 28 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Hey, come on! He's more furry than all of us combined! lol) '''

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:23:38, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Romanian & the IM: new section)

:23:34, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Didn't do it)

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:23:25, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement)

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:19:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Self defense)

:18:58, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?: clarify)

:17:36, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎ (Undo revision 197345 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad)

:11:19, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→Is there any proof?: new section)

:11:02, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→If you only had a brain :)): new section)

:10:58, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:19:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:16:59, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:05:44, 23 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: There is no need for TWO links to the same place.)

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:'''07:03, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tabitha (story)‎ (Created page with '===Technically, no longer a "short story" === I just did a word count on all 13 chapters of this story - and it's broken out of the "short story" category.... at precicely 56,9...') (top) '''

:'''06:51, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Whoever considers 40,000 words to be a short story never had to type that many. :))) '''

:'''03:19, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removed "short story" tag)'''

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:'''15:33, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P)'''

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:'''09:40, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:Lag650.GIF‎ (Saw this particular lag box '''on 05/16/08 at 0438... What can I say, I get goofy at that hour of the morning. :))) (top)'''

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:12:55, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

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:12:05, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

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:'''09:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''09:43, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:09:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:09:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux: Sorry, lol - couldn't resist (read before reverting please - you'll laugh))

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:07:49, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

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:'''05:30, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

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:AS USER 75.7.254.145‎

:02:37, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion)

:11:17, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:'''04:11, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Fix screw-up.) '''

:'''04:09, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Add info on issues) '''

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:'''08:36, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

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:'''06:09, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:58, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:56, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Author's email added (Insert evil grin here))'''

:'''16:32, 9 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Jason Dahlen‎ (→External links: Added his newest site) (top)'''

:SO, as anyone other than the flunkies can see, I did not come to this sight solely for Mozdoc - I did not even know who he was before all of this. Nor are my posts solely in defense of Mozdoc - as I have threatened to conk his and Ayuka's (along with anyone else) heads together.

:And Limey? Next time you want to make claims about me, at least do your homework first ;)

:[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I stand by my statement - roughly 80% of your edits relate to this case. My point was not that you were a supporter as Mozdoc, nor that you came to this site at his bidding - merely that you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views, and so in a tiebreaker situation, the views of more experienced editors should prevail. I discounted Findra's opinion for the same reason, and their view was opposed to yours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::'''you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views'''

::Look junior, The fact that you keep going on about "EDITING EXPERIENCE" while shoving aside ACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience, and insisting on lying when you have been caught red-handed (Your own comments prove such) makes you look like a total buffoon.

::I would suggest you correct your dishonesty.... but you and I both know that you won't - you would rather lie, manipulate, change rules, and generally screw with people. The only way you will change is if you get your ass kicked by the fandom - and to that end I have already emailed and/or otherwise posted the above over 250 times to various people, groups, and sites.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]]

:::I vote for removing his name, The longer we all drag this on, the longer it will go on. I think mozdoc will go away if we just leave him alone. {{unsigned|Germanshepherd}}

::::A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''GREENREAPER: "A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway." '''

:::::So yet ANOTHER excuse for your dishonest actions? I suppose next you will claim you didn't want to do it, but one of the other admins (or maybe Ayuka) MADE you. ;)

:::::Had you and the others played fair and not used this as yet another means of messing with the guy, then even if the decission had been against people like myself would have stuck up for you. HOWEVER, since you played dirty, you can expect the same right back at you.

:::::Give it up, junior - You got busted cheating, plain and simple. And your dishonesty in this is going to be known all across cyberspace.

:::::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 05:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is This Still Being Voted On? ==

If this is still being voted on, count me as a vote opposed to removing Mozdoc's name from the article. I'm not involved with any of this drama, I just stumbled into this page from browsing Recent Changes, but after reading the comments on this Talk page, I don't see sufficient reason for his name to be removed. Beyond that, everything that can be said has been, it seems, and I'm admittedly a bit confused as to why this is still being debated.

There, it's not a tie anymore.
- [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:"''Is This Still Being Voted On?''." No, voting closed on July 9, 2008, sorry [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, just figured I'd do what I could to end this ridiculous discussion. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh, methinks it would not have ended even with the removal of the user's name,... Call it a hunch... =P [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Methinks you misread my comment, I'm opposed to removing his name, partly due to the reasons you allude to. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, was late, and I was tired [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== fc'08 ==

officially he was a gofer. while there he did numerous gofer duties, including helping with the setup and teardown of the art show hardware, helping with organization of the con-store, and generic door guard duties, where he mostly stood there across from me as i waved people in.
he was not a member of security staff.
--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK. The reason I put that there was that I've been at cons that tend to lump the "door guard" role together with that. I've changed it to just "gofer" for simplicity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've taken the liberty to set this shit straight considering I don't know how in the fucking hell you people know about every little mother fucking thing that I do in this shithole of a world. I volunteered at Further Confusion, and I plan to do it again and beat the ever loving shit out of every single one of you faggots that I meet there to get my point across that I'm sick of being listed here against my will and wishes and that you dickheads refuse to do your job and obey the request to remove my entire existence from this fucking site. I also volunteered at Califur 4, but signing up was as far as it went. I never did anything because I would've had to devote my entire time at the con in order to get my membership back, so it was hardly worth it considering it was three days long anyway.

::Are we fucking clear on this? STOP DOCUMENTING MY FUCKING LIFE AND REMOVE MY NAME OFF WIKIFUR NOW.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

== Use of edit counts in voting ==

It's easy to rack up edits when all you do is post on wikifur. My first edit may have been on here and the main reason I registered may have been because someone threw out my vote when it wasnt from a 'registered name'. The fact of the matter remains that there is only one specific portion of the fandom I'm involved in and thats the Gateway MUCK project and a few other MU*'s that arent Taps/FurryMUCK. Therefore I will probably never hit this magical '200 edit' mark where apparently someone's vote means something. It's also possible to rack up edits by small contributions. Finding out this makes me wish I had not bothered in the first place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me explain it this way: If you had to make a decision on Gateway MUCK policy, and the opinion was evenly split between people who had visited as anonymous users and then registered and maybe logged in once or twice for a few hours, and those who had spent years working on improving the MUCK, what would your decision be?

:We seek the input of all members of the fandom; but ultimately, if it's clear that the people who make this site work are unhappy with it, it's probably not the best decision to make. There is nothing magical about 200 edits - or the fact that the edit count was used at all. It was simply a way to demonstrate the great disparity between the involvement of the groups in WikiFur.

:The edit count also does not imply that these users are more heavily involved in the fandom as a whole - the majority of the heavier users' edits are not content modifications, but improvements to the style, formatting, spelling or grammar; or discussions of how to present and organize information. It '''does''' mean that these people are regular contributors to WikiFur, and therefore deserve a greater say in how it is run, other things being equal. It also increases the confidence that they have experience of similar discussions, and haven't decided (or been asked) to drop by to comment on a particular topic. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Snowdrift, if you haven't figured it out yet - Greenreaper and his buddies simply didn't want his name removed... so to get what they wanted they rigged the voting.

::Think about it - Spirou removed votes in favor of redaction, the other good old boys all sidded togthers, then non other than greenreaper himself changes the rules AFTER voting is complete, claiming only those votes from his nazi elite count, and nobody else matters.

::Greenreaper has shown that he's a spoiled little snob who will do whatever it tekse - fair or foul - to get his way, and the others who joined him in this farse are no better.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.155|75.8.39.155]] 09:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Judgement Rendered ==

Apologies to those for whom the action was left hanging. I was unavoidably detained without access to my computer, from the evening of the Fourth of July until very recently. In my judgement, the votes appear to be balanced. I have offered mercy of a sort in redacting Mozdoc's name; anyone may still find it in the edit history.

If anyone has a palpable reason to reinstate said name beyond it being "public record", then I won't stop them; but my own personal judgement has been offered in this matter, I have taken action to offer some forgiveness on my part, and I am DONE and MOVING ON. I encourage others to do so as well. I repeat my personal refusal to remove any other facts from the page, because it is sure that Mozdoc's reputation has been built brick by brick, and will have to be rebuilt, again brick by brick, if he wants anyone else involved in these matters to move on and give him a chance to be his own self again. Please note that this is not a victory, just an ending.

Thank you all for your time, thank you for participating. Please, everyone, let go of your anger and let the conflict end; I feel that there's no point dragging it out any further. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting tally (June 29th, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::sez findra: "(Mozdoc) was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff." I had been under the impression that a convention's "staff" includes ''everybody'' who works 'behind the scenes' to make a convention happen, be they full-fledged ConCom members or volunteer gophers or what. Stupid (albeit honest) question: Why ''isn't'' a "volunteer" considered to be part of a convention's "staff"? Is this just a traditional term of art, or what? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::A staff member at a convention is usually someone who is scheduled in advance, works in a specific department, and has a specific role laid out for them. Volunteers by comparison are just random folks who walk up and offer to help. They have no set commitment, and can put in as much or as little work as they like, and can work in different areas during the con. Volunteers who work a lot usually become staff members the following year. :-) At least, that's how the volunteer and staff system works at Anthrocon. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 3rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

:'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

:It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

:'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

:Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

::::I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

::::Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

::::::Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

::::::You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

::::::'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

::::::And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::'''CONCERN TROLL'''
:::::::"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

:::::::Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

:::::::Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

:::::::If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

:::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here for everyone to see. [[User:Hellkat9940|Hellkat9940]] 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed) ==

It seems that in regards to the removal of Mozdoc's real name, most of the people here are missing what should be very obvious - the fact that the removal of his real name would not be a permanent, "for all time" event.

Just because it is removed, does NOT mean that it could never be added again should he become overly aggressive once more. ALSO, if he DOES straighen out, such information could be further added to his artcile showing that fact. The opposite can also be true.

Ladies and Gentlemen, We have before us a golden opportunity to guide this individual into a better life. Shall we use it, or throw it away?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:On second thought, why bother. Nobody really cares anyway - if they did, a lot of what is going wrong in this day and age would not be happening.

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Can we get this over with please? ==

Or is the date going to just keep getting pushed back until theres enough to support an unfavorable result because its July 7th today and thats when the final decision was supposed to take place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 14:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:The decision closes on July 7th. Personally, I would have chosen the end of it for all time zones, but Siege is welcome to close the discussion at any time that they feel appropriate.

:If you have to rely on timing to ensure that you have a favourable response to the proposal, it rather brings into question your confidence of public support for the proposal. (I'm not too happy that we had to have a vote on this in the first place, rather than reaching a consensus on the best - any case where a significant proportion of the population feels we're doing the wrong thing is unfortunate.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article. No one added themselves to the persons against it, and no one decided to get off the fence and go for one side or the other. As far as I see it, this is fucking over. I'm getting my name off the article before this drags out another week because some moronic dumbass out there decides to bring up another excuse to drag it out even longer. I don't see why you can't all just agree to allow me to get the exclusion I ASKED for and get my name off of WikiFur ENTIRELY AS I WANT.
::--Mozdoc

:::sez Mozdoc: "As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article." No, there was not any such "advantage" -- not unless you know of any votes that were cast since the tally of 3 July 2008. Sure, the person signing themself as "Hellkat9940" offered their opinion on 7 July, but "Hellkat" did not go so far as to say "I vote to remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page". This leaves anybody but "Hellkat" unable to determine whether "Hellkat"'s position is "It's wrong, and I think it should be corrected," or "It's wrong, but I don't really care if it's corrected." As for the person who signed themself as "So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))", that's just AnthroSamurai under another pseudonym, and ''his'' (?) vote is already counted in the 3 July tally. So where's that "one or two vote advantage", Mozdoc? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Gee, it looks like you people are grasping for ANY EXCUSE to leave his name up on the article. Anyone with half a brain can see WHY Mozdoc is so pissed off at all of you - you're going out of your way to fuck with him.'''

::::'''You people are coming DANGEROURSLY CLOSE to making yet another deadly enemy - is that what you want?'''
::::'''And YOU Cubist, you better quit it with the childish shit before you get your ass paddled.'''

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthroSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

Deadlock. As some other users as suggested, we should put this already to rest (the proper way.) Contacting other registered (valid) users/Sysops by staff could be a solution, but (imho) this matter should be settled today [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: '''Why bother??? You KNOW that certain people will just dominate the situation and his name won't be removed either way. People are just using this as another means of messing with the guy to set him off.'''

: '''Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.'''

: [[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:: please enhance your calm anthrosamurai, lest ye be seen as no more than a troll who looses poorly. such would be bad for your cause.
:: i have remained quiet for a while now, however, i would like to say something now. yes, this should be closed. it has been going on for too long and some of the less mature among the ranks have started to show that immaturity. it will only devolve. however, at the same time, anything other than a verdict in their opinion favor will also be met with the same level of maturity. opinion, not fact, of which i hope i am wrong.
:: i would like to propose two things.
:: 1 - any future votes be restricted to established users. either side can easily find straw votes if we do not use that restriction.
:: 2 - preferably, we allow the admins themselves to make the decision, and no matter what it is, we agree to abide by it without complaint. their site, their decision. which is where it should have remained to begin with.
:: side note- i have edited anthrosamurai post above to provide proper indent format.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:::'''Here is what is going to happen.'''

:::Mozdoc's name will be removed for a period of one month.
:::If he starts further trouble, it will be re-added PERMANTLY, with no further consideration for it's removal.
:::What ELSE will happen... well, none of you really want to know.

:::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"''[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&diff=prev&oldid=203895 Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.]''"
::::*Users with the name [[RubberDuck]], [[Kong]], [[Blurrr]], and [[OneEyedWilley]] have not been found making any decisions (pro/con/neutral) about this vote presently. Will re-add their votes if they make their presence and/or wishes known.
::::*A quick inquiring note has been sent to users [[Cypher]], [[User:Hellcat9940|Hellcat9940]], and [[User:Duncan Wulfweards|Duncan Wulfweards]] to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes to the matter at hand.
::::[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Uh... I don't think that's your decision to make.
::::: And, I'm going to ask you again: knock it off with the [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AnthroSamurai&curid=40158&diff=203979&oldid=203919&rcid=212413 name calling] and [[Wikipedia:Incivility|general incivility]]. It is not helping things any. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Doug?

::::::'''F--- YOU'''

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 20:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING

BULLSHIT.

I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH.

I WAS SITTING HERE REFRESSING THE PAGE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER ACTIVITY GENERATED AFTER THAT TIME. THE VOTE WAS FINALIZED, THERE WAS NO MORE SHIT ON THE PAGE. I FUCKING WON AND NOW YOU LITTLE PUSSY FACED SHITFACED MOTHER FUCKING SACKS OF SLOPPY SHIT DECIDE TO GRASP AT WHATEVER MOTHER FUCKING STRAW YOU FUCKING CAN TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS *AGAIN*. FUCKING AGAIN. MOTHER FUCKING AGAIN.

KNOCK THIS FUCKING SHIT OFF! MY NAME IS TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FUCKING SITE IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS AGREED. LAST MINUTE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FUCKING VOTING ARE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THAT THIS WEBSITE AND ALL THE MORONIC DICKHEADS THAT RUN IT ARE BIASED AGAINST ME AND WILL DO NOTHING BY FUCK WITH THIS, FUCK WITH THAT, FUCK OVER THERE, FUCK OVER THERE, AND THEN FUCK EVERYTHING UP AFTER ITS SAID AND DONE.

YOU LITTLE DUMBSHIT ASSHOLES HAVE WASTED TWO WEEKS OF TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DONE WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN MY FAVOR THAT THIS VOTE WAS GOING AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO FUCKING LOOSE CAN YOU? WELL YOU HAVE. I FUCKING WON YOU LITTLE ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT. I FUCKING WON.

I WANT MY NAME REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

--Mozdoc
:sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH." 
:Really? There were ''seven'' votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Closure and explanation ===

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be '''kept''', for the following reasons:

* Only one person supporting removal is a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of edits outside this topic.
* Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. All had less than 200.
* Three of those opposing removal have two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits each.
* A comparison of edit counts gives a ratio of 40 to 1 for those opposing removal, without considering the relation of the edits to this article.

==== Supporting removal ====
*{{user|Mozdoc}}: 70 (100% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Michichael}}: 3 (two of which relate to Mozdoc)
*{{user|Rootdown}}: 79
*{{user|Hellkat9940}}: 1 (with two more as anon)
*{{user|SnowdriftGM}}: 8 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|AnthroSamurai}}: 153 (roughly 80% relating to this issue; currently blocked over insults)

'''Total:''' 314 edits

==== Opposing removal ====
*{{user|SpazKitty}}: 6454
*{{user|Findra}}: 22 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|DuncanDaHusky}}: 1232 + talk edits
*{{user|Ayukawataur}}: 197 (about 30% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Cubist}}: 37 (only 5 edits on this topic; unrelated prior edits)
*{{user|KendricksRedtail}}: 5666

'''Total:''' 13608 edits

I do not wish to devalue the views of those new to the site - their contributions are welcome and appreciated - but it is clear that those supporting removal do not represent regular editors, nor have they succeeded in swaying the opinion of these editors. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO.

This makes it six votes in my favor, FIVE in yours. My name should be removed. Look at the page history and tell me if I'm fucking wrong. I'm not. YOU ARE AND YOU'RE FIXING SHIT TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR TO JUST CONTINUOUSLY FUCK ME SO THAT I APPEAR TO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY YOU'RE FUCKING RULES AND HAVE MY NAME LISTED HERE WHEN I WANT EXCLUSION. How about just admitting fucking defeat and shutting the fuck up that for once YOU FUCKING LOST.

Get the hell over it and remove my name...NOW.

I would also like to add in the fact that there was NEVER ANYTHING SAID that people needed to have a certain number of edits to be fucking counted. If you're going to play this fucking game then I have every right to take your faggot asses to fucking court and demand removal of my existence from here. You're word that this would end, and obviously ended in my favor, breaks an agreement that was established here. Six to five in favor of removal of my name and yet you make up piss poor fucking excuses to keep it here citing stupid bullshit about the people who bothered to stand up against the little prick sacks of shit that run this site not having enough edits?

FUCK YOU. IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER HOW MANY EDITS A PERSON HAS. They participated in your fucking sick ass joke of a "community", and all they get is their support for me thrown out just because you think that it takes editing the fucking articles in here to be counted. I'm in agreeance with GreenReaper on this one that you are full of fucking shit and just grasping at whatever straws you can to have your fucking way and it isn't going to fucking happen. I ask that Kendrics be removed from this "voting" process and that my name be excluded from here, AS ASKED.

--Mozdoc
:sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I ''think'' [[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&oldid=139283 a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped '''2 May 2007''']] just ''might'' be relevant to your argument here... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

: It also does matter what placement a person has in the community, as if these particular members registered and started editing - or primarily edit articles relating to this conflict - as the people supporting removal do, then they could quite easily be people who registered primarily to sway the result of the vote and not to become a productive WikiFur member. They may have even been pressured into showing support without knowing the proper context of the debate. Add on to this that they don't even contribute enough to be considered representative of the community at large, and it's a very one sided battlefield here. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== UNJUST & DISHONORABLE ACTS ==

I think all wikifur users, and the fandom in general, should be made aware of the tactics and dirty tricks the site dictat - excuse me, ADMINISTRATORS - employ to get their way.

'''GREENREAPER''' - changing voting policy after the fact to support the underlings of his dictatorship.

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be kept, '''because only one of those supporting its removal is an unrelated party and a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of their edits outside of this topic,''' as opposed to four of those opposing its removal.
Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. Of those who had more, none had more than 200 edits, and only one was not mainly or solely involved with this situation.
Conversely, '''three of those opposing removal are WikiFur administrators with two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits,''' and one other editor also appears otherwise uninvolved with this conflict.
(These policies WERE NOT stated until AFTER voting was finished, and were used simply to gain an unfair advantage in favor of what he and his fellow controlers wanted.)

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'''SPIROU''' - removal of votes in favor of redaction, then claiming that he hadn't seen the votes and needed to "contact them to find out".

'''I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake.''' Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..
- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 (talk • contribs) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here''' for everyone to see. Hellkat9940 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick inquiring note has been sent to users Hellcat9940, and Duncan Wulfweards '''to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes''' to the matter at hand. Spirou 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(Duncan Wulfweards made it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that he was voting.... for redaction - Yet Spirou deleted his vote ANYWAY)

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CUBIST - General harrassment & support of dishonest actions by Spirou(re: vote deletion)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH."
Really? There were seven votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? Cubist 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I think [a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped 2 May 2007] just might be relevant to your argument here... Cubist 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(This voting was not in effect on May 2nd, '''2007''', so how can any such edit count towards offsetting Kendrick's voting AFTER the deadline?)

As for my not editing elsewhere, GREENREAPER conveniently leaves out certain facts in his desperate attempt to justify his dishonest and cowardly tactics.

As the situation now stands, wikifur itself is just as damaging to the reputation of the fandom as the perverts are.

[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 21:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:'''SHALL WE SHOOT-DOWN ANOTHER OF GREENREAPER'S LIES???'''

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:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎ (Undo revision 197345 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad)

:11:19, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→Is there any proof?: new section)

:11:02, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→If you only had a brain :)): new section)

:10:58, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:10:43, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎

:19:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:16:59, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:14:34, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Undo revision 195798 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Undo revision 196332 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:31, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:14:28, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (I addeth, I taketh away)

:14:26, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (Undo revision 197077 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:13:55, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (Undo revision 197051 by Ayukawataur - It leads to the same place, AYUKA.)

:05:44, 23 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: There is no need for TWO links to the same place.)

:23:23, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest) (top)

:23:19, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:'''22:56, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:05:04, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:05:01, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:'''04:38, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:'''07:07, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Upgrade tag to "NOVEL" - Story is at 56,947 words)'''

:'''07:03, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tabitha (story)‎ (Created page with '===Technically, no longer a "short story" === I just did a word count on all 13 chapters of this story - and it's broken out of the "short story" category.... at precicely 56,9...') (top) '''

:'''06:51, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Whoever considers 40,000 words to be a short story never had to type that many. :))) '''

:'''03:19, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removed "short story" tag)'''

:'''03:17, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''03:16, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''20:05, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Removed "short story" tag: new section)'''

:'''19:53, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 195870 by Mwalimu (talk))'''

:01:41, 18 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Mozdoc's love notes via IM)
:'''13:19, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina‎ (top)'''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ (top) '''

:'''15:33, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P)'''

:'''15:22, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P: new section)'''

:'''10:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:49, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:43, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:'''09:40, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:Lag650.GIF‎ (Saw this particular lag box '''on 05/16/08 at 0438... What can I say, I get goofy at that hour of the morning. :))) (top)'''

:'''08:16, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Update chapter #/date)'''

:'''08:11, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎ (Created page with 'An "underground" fan group of Eric W. Schwartz's skunkette character Sabrina, alleged to have been involved with pornagraphic, or yiff style artwork of the character.')'''

:'''01:19, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:01:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:23:26, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues)

:23:23, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:'''23:17, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''23:16, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?: new section)'''

:18:20, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal Issues)

:14:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions)

:14:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions: new section)

:12:55, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:05, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest: new section)

:11:50, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues)

:11:48, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) m Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: remove some info added by Ayukawataur - see talk pg)

:'''09:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''09:43, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:09:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:09:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux: Sorry, lol - couldn't resist (read before reverting please - you'll laugh))

:'''08:09, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tales from the Reservation‎ (top)'''

:'''08:02, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:07:49, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:06:07, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:'''05:32, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''05:30, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''05:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''05:19, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎'''

:'''05:10, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:AS USER 75.7.254.145‎

:02:37, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion)

:11:17, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:'''04:11, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Fix screw-up.) '''

:'''04:09, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Add info on issues) '''

:'''03:48, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:39, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:31, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

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:'''03:12, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''12:20, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''08:36, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:49, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:40, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation'''

:'''06:39, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''06:09, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:58, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:56, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Author's email added (Insert evil grin here))'''

:'''16:32, 9 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Jason Dahlen‎ (→External links: Added his newest site) (top)'''

:SO, as anyone other than the flunkies can see, I did not come to this sight solely for Mozdoc - I did not even know who he was before all of this. Nor are my posts solely in defense of Mozdoc - as I have threatened to conk his and Ayuka's (along with anyone else) heads together.

:And Limey? Next time you want to make claims about me, at least do your homework first ;)

:[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I stand by my statement - roughly 80% of your edits relate to this case. My point was not that you were a supporter as Mozdoc, nor that you came to this site at his bidding - merely that you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views, and so in a tiebreaker situation, the views of more experienced editors should prevail. I discounted Findra's opinion for the same reason, and their view was opposed to yours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::'''you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views'''

::Look junior, The fact that you keep going on about "EDITING EXPERIENCE" while shoving aside ACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience, and insisting on lying when you have been caught red-handed (Your own comments prove such) makes you look like a total buffoon.

::I would suggest you correct your dishonesty.... but you and I both know that you won't - you would rather lie, manipulate, change rules, and generally screw with people. The only way you will change is if you get your ass kicked by the fandom - and to that end I have already emailed and/or otherwise posted the above over 250 times to various people, groups, and sites.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]]

:::I vote for removing his name, The longer we all drag this on, the longer it will go on. I think mozdoc will go away if we just leave him alone. {{unsigned|Germanshepherd}}

::::A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''GREENREAPER: "A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway." '''

:::::So yet ANOTHER excuse for your dishonest actions? I suppose next you will claim you didn't want to do it, but one of the other admins (or maybe Ayuka) MADE you. ;)

:::::Had you and the others played fair and not used this as yet another means of messing with the guy, then even if the decission had been against people like myself would have stuck up for you. HOWEVER, since you played dirty, you can expect the same right back at you.

:::::Give it up, junior - You got busted cheating, plain and simple. And your dishonesty in this is going to be known all across cyberspace.

:::::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 05:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is This Still Being Voted On? ==

If this is still being voted on, count me as a vote opposed to removing Mozdoc's name from the article. I'm not involved with any of this drama, I just stumbled into this page from browsing Recent Changes, but after reading the comments on this Talk page, I don't see sufficient reason for his name to be removed. Beyond that, everything that can be said has been, it seems, and I'm admittedly a bit confused as to why this is still being debated.

There, it's not a tie anymore.
- [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:"''Is This Still Being Voted On?''." No, voting closed on July 9, 2008, sorry [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, just figured I'd do what I could to end this ridiculous discussion. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh, methinks it would not have ended even with the removal of the user's name,... Call it a hunch... =P [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Methinks you misread my comment, I'm opposed to removing his name, partly due to the reasons you allude to. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, was late, and I was tired [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== fc'08 ==

officially he was a gofer. while there he did numerous gofer duties, including helping with the setup and teardown of the art show hardware, helping with organization of the con-store, and generic door guard duties, where he mostly stood there across from me as i waved people in.
he was not a member of security staff.
--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK. The reason I put that there was that I've been at cons that tend to lump the "door guard" role together with that. I've changed it to just "gofer" for simplicity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've taken the liberty to set this shit straight considering I don't know how in the fucking hell you people know about every little mother fucking thing that I do in this shithole of a world. I volunteered at Further Confusion, and I plan to do it again and beat the ever loving shit out of every single one of you faggots that I meet there to get my point across that I'm sick of being listed here against my will and wishes and that you dickheads refuse to do your job and obey the request to remove my entire existence from this fucking site. I also volunteered at Califur 4, but signing up was as far as it went. I never did anything because I would've had to devote my entire time at the con in order to get my membership back, so it was hardly worth it considering it was three days long anyway.

::Are we fucking clear on this? STOP DOCUMENTING MY FUCKING LIFE AND REMOVE MY NAME OFF WIKIFUR NOW.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

== Use of edit counts in voting ==

It's easy to rack up edits when all you do is post on wikifur. My first edit may have been on here and the main reason I registered may have been because someone threw out my vote when it wasnt from a 'registered name'. The fact of the matter remains that there is only one specific portion of the fandom I'm involved in and thats the Gateway MUCK project and a few other MU*'s that arent Taps/FurryMUCK. Therefore I will probably never hit this magical '200 edit' mark where apparently someone's vote means something. It's also possible to rack up edits by small contributions. Finding out this makes me wish I had not bothered in the first place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me explain it this way: If you had to make a decision on Gateway MUCK policy, and the opinion was evenly split between people who had visited as anonymous users and then registered and maybe logged in once or twice for a few hours, and those who had spent years working on improving the MUCK, what would your decision be?

:We seek the input of all members of the fandom; but ultimately, if it's clear that the people who make this site work are unhappy with it, it's probably not the best decision to make. There is nothing magical about 200 edits - or the fact that the edit count was used at all. It was simply a way to demonstrate the great disparity between the involvement of the groups in WikiFur.

:The edit count also does not imply that these users are more heavily involved in the fandom as a whole - the majority of the heavier users' edits are not content modifications, but improvements to the style, formatting, spelling or grammar; or discussions of how to present and organize information. It '''does''' mean that these people are regular contributors to WikiFur, and therefore deserve a greater say in how it is run, other things being equal. It also increases the confidence that they have experience of similar discussions, and haven't decided (or been asked) to drop by to comment on a particular topic. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Snowdrift, if you haven't figured it out yet - Greenreaper and his buddies simply didn't want his name removed... so to get what they wanted they rigged the voting.

::Think about it - Spirou removed votes in favor of redaction, the other good old boys all sidded togthers, then non other than greenreaper himself changes the rules AFTER voting is complete, claiming only those votes from his nazi elite count, and nobody else matters.

::Greenreaper has shown that he's a spoiled little snob who will do whatever it tekse - fair or foul - to get his way, and the others who joined him in this farse are no better.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.155|75.8.39.155]] 09:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Judgement Rendered ==

Apologies to those for whom the action was left hanging. I was unavoidably detained without access to my computer, from the evening of the Fourth of July until very recently. In my judgement, the votes appear to be balanced. I have offered mercy of a sort in redacting Mozdoc's name; anyone may still find it in the edit history.

If anyone has a palpable reason to reinstate said name beyond it being "public record", then I won't stop them; but my own personal judgement has been offered in this matter, I have taken action to offer some forgiveness on my part, and I am DONE and MOVING ON. I encourage others to do so as well. I repeat my personal refusal to remove any other facts from the page, because it is sure that Mozdoc's reputation has been built brick by brick, and will have to be rebuilt, again brick by brick, if he wants anyone else involved in these matters to move on and give him a chance to be his own self again.

Thank you all for your time, thank you for participating. Please, everyone, let go of your anger and let the conflict end; I feel that there's no point dragging it out any further. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Mozdoc

2008-07-25T18:19:03Z

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'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (whose given name is a matter of public record) is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He resides in California, U.S.A.

Mozdoc has assisted as a [[Wikipedia:gofer|gofer]] at [[Califur 4]] and [[Further Confusion 2008]].<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 Analysis of Mozdoc at FC 08] - [[Ayukawataur]] (30 January 2008)</ref>

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into the account of [[Argon Hamilton|Argon]] (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper. <ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent ban. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He was also banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

As of May 2007, Mozdoc has been unbanned from FurryMUCK.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref>

Both Kacey and Noriko were named as protected parties on the TRO. This prohibited Mozdoc from having any contact with Ayukawataur and he was banned from [[FurBid]] as Noriko believed him using her system would inevitably result in contact. When the TRO expired in November of 2005, Ayukawataur reviewed his constant attempts to covertly use the system. She decided at that time to not restore his access. He was unbanned in September 2007, but re-banned a month and a half later.<ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/59999.html mr. mozdoc] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (September 23, 2007)</ref><ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/64078.html mozdoc reloaded] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (November 13, 2007)</ref> At this time there is no projected date to review his status.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by Fur Affinity administration. [[Dragoneer]] stated in May 2008 that Mozdoc was "permanently banned from Fur Affinity and all of its services. That ban will not be lifted."<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666 Re: Unban Me From FurAffinity And Start Answering My Messages]. May 13, 2008 post by [[Dragoneer]] to Fur Affinity forums. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums,<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref> including [[Bernard Doove]]'s LiveJournal.<ref>January 4, 2007 anonymous comments, signed Mozdoc, in [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html Happy New Year!] LiveJournal post. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.{{fact}} [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)
* [http://mozdocalicentaur.deviantart.com/ mozdocalicentaur] on [[deviantART]] (banned)

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Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-04T06:02:15Z

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Furcadia

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[[Image:Furcadia.png|right|Furcadia]]
'''Furcadia''', also known as '''Furc''', is a [[furry]] graphical multiplayer online community ([[Wikipedia:MMOSG|MMOSG]]) developed by [[Felorin]] (Dr. Cat) and [[Talzhemir]] ("Manda"), with contributions from many others.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/credits.html Furcadia's contributor page]</ref> Furcadia has been running since 1996<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/tenth/timeline.html Furcadia Timeline]</ref> and is possibly the largest online furry community, with over 70,000 registered players<ref name="newsletter-May2007">"[http://www.furcadia.com/cards/update023/ May 2007 Newsletter]", ''Dragon's Eye Productions''.</ref> and 2,000 - 4,500 online users active at any given time.
{{WikiFurNews|Kitterwing update for Furcadia}}
* '''Addresses''':
** '''Website''': http://www.furcadia.com/
** '''Forums''': http://forums.furcadia.com/
* '''Founders''': [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]], [[Emerald Flame]], [[Sanctimonious]]
* '''Ran from/to''': 1996 - present
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== Overview ==

Furcadia is free to all users. To join Furcadia, the [http://www.furcadia.com/download/ Windows client] can be downloaded and installed. This client connects to the Furcadia server, allows for character creation, and provides a graphical environment where a [[furre]] (Furcadia character) can explore [[Dream (Furcadia)|dreams]] (player-made areas) and interact with others.

Joining Furcadia involves creating a character by selecting a name, entering a contact e-mail address to activate an account, selecting a [[species]], choosing colors, and writing a personal description that is visible to other furres.

The following species can be selected during the character creation process: [[Rodent]], [[Equine]], [[Feline]], [[Canine]], [[Musteline]], [[Lapine]], [[Squirrel (species)|Squirrel]], [[Bovine]] (also known as [[Minotaur]]s), and [[Ursine]]. It is also common to use one of these base species to create another; for example, choosing the coloring on a squirrel to make it look like a [[skunk]].

In addition to the basic species, furres can purchase various add-ons for their character using real-world money. These add-ons are known as "Digos". These include Portrait spaces (for one [[port]] each), pixel roses, four types of [[wing]]s (Classic Wings, Tricolor Wings, Butterfly Wings, [[Bat]] Wings, and Prime Wings), various alternate species ([[Dragon]], [[Phoenix]], [[Gryphon]], Kitterwing, Unicorn, and "ferian" ("unevolved", non-biped) species of Wolven, Tygard, Leonen, and Foxen), and flight and fire-breathing effects. In their latest update, Furcadia also offers Furling (child furres), Chinchilla,and Flox (a foxen with a flower on its back). All purchases help support the operation and improvements of Furcadia.

You can also have your real-world money translated in to game currency, known as "DragonScales".<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/community/dragonscales.html Furcadia DragonScales Overview]</ref> DragonScales are only usable for spending at the DigoMarket and are often used for game-related trades. They come in three types:
*Golden Dragonscale (GD) - Costs one American dollar.
*Silver Dragonscale (SD) - Costs ten American cents.
*Copper Dragonscale (CD) - Costs one American cent.

== The Furcadia Client ==
[[Image:Furcadia_client_jujinka.png|thumbnail|250px|right|Furcadia in action]]

The Furcadia Client runs on Windows 95 through Vista. It is organized into four main areas:
* The upper left section displays the portrait and name of a furre when they are clicked on.
* The lower left section contains five tabs that allow the furre to move about and interact with the world around them.
* The upper right section shows the dream that the furre is currently in, including other furres that are nearby.
* The lower right section contains a text window, used to talk with other furres visible above, and to whisper (private message) other furres that are currently logged in.

=== Non-Windows Platforms ===
An officially supported Macintosh client has often been requested, but in the past has been considered a "lower development priority" when compared to other features and capabilities. [[Ghost Tiger]] has developed and maintains [http://www.ghosttiger.com/mfurc/ mFurc], a native client for the Macintosh users that provides most of the capabilities of the Windows version. It also includes several enhanced capabilities, including a buddy list, integration with Growl for notifications and whisper chat windows, much like those provided by iChats plus a contact list, and a selective notification feature called Totem. mFurc is Leopard (10.5) compatible and available as a Universal binary.

GNU/Linux users should find that The Furcadia Client installs and runs perfectly under [http://www.winehq.org wine] versions greater than 0.9.17. and with [[Wikipedia:CrossOver|CrossOver]]. New Macintosh systems that use [[Wikipedia:Intel|Intel]] chips can run Furcadia via CrossOver, [[Wikipedia:Parallels_Desktop|Parallels Desktop]] and/or [[Wikipedia:Boot Camp|Boot Camp]] (which allows Windows 95 to Vista OS to run natively.)

=== Third-party applications ===

Many third-party applications have been written to complement and enhance the Furcadia Client. These applications include:
* Proxies, which sit between the Furcadia Client and the Server and provide additional capabilities. Examples include Furnarchy, [[DogProxy]] and Mreow! Proxy.
* Bots, which allow characters to be controlled by a computer program. Examples include FurBot.
* Editors, which allow the editing of [[Patch (Furcadia)|patches]], [[DragonSpeak]] and [[Dream (Furcadia)|dream]] maps. Examples include Dreamer.
* Alternate clients, which allow characters to visit Furcadia. Examples include mFurc.

== History ==

* '''1994''': DragonSpires, a predecessor of Furcadia, is created by Felorin and Talzhemir.
* '''1996''': 12/16 - First release of Furcadia
** [http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.games.mud.admin/msg/6fd37689f7063635?dmode=source New MUSH seeking builders] - July 1996 usenet post
* '''1998''': The Circle Help Guild is chartered
* '''2000''': 08/28 - Dragon update (V. 13)
* '''2001''': 04/15 - Phoenix update (V. 16)
* '''2001''': 11/04 - Lapine update (V. 18)
* '''2002''': 03/15 - Butterflywing update (V. 19)
* '''2002''': Furcadia is a finalist at the Fifth Annual [[Wikipedia:Independent Games Festival|Independent Games Festival]]
* '''2003''': 01/09 - Gryffe update (V. 20)
* '''2004''': 10/29 - Squirrel and Batwing update (V. 22)
* '''2006''': 12/16 - Furcadia is the very first MMO to reach ten years running
* '''2007''': 04/06 - Kitterwing and Bovine update (V. 23)
* '''2007''': 10/28 - Lions & Tigers & Bears, OMG! Update (V. 24)
* '''2008''': 01/31 - Fox Update (V. 25)

== Community ==
[[Image:FurcadiaBeekinStatue.png|right|frame|A statue of [[Beekin]] in Naia Green]]
There are twelve official maps within Furcadia:

*'''''All ages'''''
** '''[[Naia Green]]''' is the central community map, where furres can get assistance, take classes and meet other furres.
** '''[[Vinca]]''' is the nexus of Furcadia, allowing access to almost all of the other main dreams. it also is where festival dreams are uploaded during the assorted yearly festivals.
* '''''Age 13+'''''
** '''[[Acropolis]]''' is a socializing area where furres can load their own dreams.
** '''[[Allegria Island]]''' is a socializing area where furres can load their own dreams.
** '''[[Challenges]]''' contains many single and multi-furre games, including chess, bumper spiders, and checkers.
** '''[[Imaginarium]]''' is a place where furres can load strict [[roleplay]]-oriented dreams.
** '''[[Meovanni Village]]''' is a free-form "persona play" role playing map.
**'''[[Theriopolis]]''' is a Renaissance-themed freeform roleplaying area.
**'''[http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/goldwyn.html The Village of Goldwyn]''' a place for freeform roleplay for those wishing to roleplay in [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/dragonlands.html Furcadia's official canon].
** '''[[The Wylde]]''' An area in which it simulates a wild life area built to cater to [[Feral]] Furries.
*'''''Age 16+'''''
** '''[[Hawthorn]]''' (Previously Haven and New Haven) is a map for teens and adults ages 16 and up.
** '''[[Club Dusk 2 Dawn]]''' An area built for gothic horror roleplaying.
* '''''Adults Only'''''
** '''[[Furrabian Nights]]''' (aka "FurN") is a "Mysterious Arabia" themed map for adult roleplay and dream uploads.

== Role-playing ==

Many different [[role-playing]] communities exist within Furcadia. As furres can create their own dreams, continuities range from Pirates on the High Seas, to Furres in Spaceships, to Elizabethan Gardens, to Medieval to [[Fantasy]]. One famous outside the Furcadia community is [[Lost Lake]], featured in the popular [[webcomic]] ''[[Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures]]''

The official continuity of Furcadia is known as [[Furre!]] and was created by [[Talzhemir]] and set in the world of [[Kasuria]]. It has a rich history and mythology.

* [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/chargen7.html Furre! - The official Furcadia RP Character Generation Rules]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Fur/history.htm History of the Furcadian World]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Fur/kasuria2.gif Map of the Land of Kasuria]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/primes.html Furcadian Primes]

Many non-continuity Role Playing Guilds also exist within Furcadia:

* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=1 Social Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=2 Persona Roleplay Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=3 Strict Roleplaying Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=3 Adult Guilds]

== Dreams ==
Furcadia comes with tools allowing a furre to create their own worlds ("Dreams".) This includes '''DreamEd''' for laying out objects, floors and walls, '''DSEditor''' for writing DragonSpeak code to add interactivity, and '''fsheditor''' to draw new objects, floors, walls and portraits. There is also '''skinner''' which allows you to edit the Furcadia skin files, which define the look and feel of the client user interface, and the '''Animation Editor''', part of the Dream Editor which allows you to edit animations on objects.

== Volunteer community ==
Furcadia has a large and active volunteer community, known as the [http://www.furcadia.com/beekins/ Furcadia Beekins]. There are many types of Beekins:

* Bugge Hunters provide technical support and track down bugs
* Dream Masons provide assistance with creating dreams and writing DragonSpeak
* Guardians enforce rules within Furcadia. Their roles are similar to that of Wizards in other online MUDs/MUCKs
* Helpers provide general assistance, in person and via a help channel
* Pixels provide help with drawing and creating patches
* Scribes maintain the Furcadia web site and moderate the Furcadia Forums
* Welcomers welcome new furres, provide orientation tours and answer questions
* Mentors provide assistance and guidance for furres in the Beekin program
* Teachers provide classes for furres in the Beekins program

== Criticism ==
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Some players have criticized Furcadia for not providing an interesting gaming environment.{{fact}} Some players who are used to [[Wikipedia:MMORPG|MMORPG]]-style games find the online roleplay and chatroom-style interaction to be repetitive and boring after extended play, lacking the elements found in other MMORPGs such as killing, leveling up, and other common game play features of the MMORPG genre. Other players find that the social interactions, role playing and the creative aspects of Furcadia provide an engaging and positive environment when compared to games that focus on war, killing, acquisition of wealth and property and level grinding that typifies many MMORPGs.

=== Customer Support ===
There have been instances where players who purchase items at the Digo Store that include goods that need to be physically shipped who have complained on the Furcadia Forums that their items never arrived.{{fact}} Furcadia encourages those who did not receive their items to contact them, and most instances have been resolved without problems.

=== Bans ===
The Furcadia Guardians enforce community standards for behaviour in the main maps, and depending on the severity by which a given player is violating the rules or disrupting the game, they may be banned temporarily or permanently from the game. Many players who have been banned claim that the bans are a result of them being personally targeted. However, since the Guardians will not discuss the reasons behind a ban for confidentiality reasons, the official cause of many bans can not be determined by the public or by the player who was banned.

Some players have complained about the "Banish" commands which are available to dream owners.{{fact}} They claim that these commands allow the dream owners to deny players access to dreams for arbitrary reasons, and are used to discriminate against certain players. Given that the Furcadia rules state that dreams are solely owned by the dream owner, they are free to use the Banish/eject commands on whomever they choose for whatever reason, if any, they choose.

=== Dream Locations ===
Disputes between players have arisen when one dream owner loads their dream in a location where another, usually more well-known dream, has been loaded in the past. When a dream is for a chartered guild, a spot on a map is reserved for them. In this case, if another dream is loaded in their officially designated spot, the Guardians will remove the other dream to allow the guild to upload their dream.

A common complaint revolves around the [[Lost Lake]] dream, a dream in Allegria Island that is always uploaded in the same spot as an official tribute and shrine to the deceased owner [[Alexsi]].{{fact}} People who upload their dreams or sit in Lost Lake's "spot" may receive anything as minimal as being ejected from AI to something as extreme as being temporarily suspended from the game as a whole.{{fact}} This has led protestors to rhetorically question whether or not their dream would get special attention if they were to commit suicide.{{fact}}

In a future update, Dragon's Eye Productions has indicated that they plan to allow players to purchase a "group package". One of the variations of the planned group package will include a dedicated location on the map where the player can upload their dream.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/community/gg.html Group Packages Community Talk]</ref>

=== Suggestions ===
Dragon's Eye Productions solicits feedback from Furcadia players regarding possible changes, enhancements and additions to the Furcadia client, server and dreams in an official forum.<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showforum=17 Official Furcadia Suggestions Forum]</ref> While many suggestions made by the community have been implemented, some players have complained that their suggestions have been ignored.{{fact}}

One area of contention is the ordering in which additional avatar species have been added to the game. Dragon's Eye Productions maintains a list of requested species<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showtopic=13902 List of Requested Species]</ref>, however some players have requested that species be introduced in a different order. For example, the Bear avatar, as requested by a [http://www.furnation.com/saffron/furcadia/BEAR.html petition for bears in Furcadia started in 1999] was finally added in 2007, after almost eight years of constant requests.

===Player Created Content===
Section five of the Furcadia User Agreement states that when any original work or derivative work is uploaded to Furcadia, the player grants Dragon's Eye Productions the right to redistribute their work electronically or via other formats and media.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/useragreement/ Furcadia User Agreement]</ref> Dragon's Eye Productions stated in their [http://www.furcadia.com/logs/townmeeting-2006-12.html 2006 Town Hall Meeting] that this is intended to allow them to distribute promotional copies of Furcadia on CD-ROM, complete with examples of player dreams. Despite this, some players have worried that this permits the creation of others to be used by Dragon's Eye Productions without credit or payment.{{fact}}

===Art Theft===
A common complaint from players who create patches is the unauthorized use of their creations by other players.<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showtopic=2888 Forum complaints about Art Theft]</ref> While Furcadia allows patches and dreams to be uploaded in an "encrypted" format, this does not prevent players from taking a screen capture, and Dragon's Eye Productions disclaims any responsibility for unauthorized use of player-uploaded content in the Furcadia User Agreement.

For contests and special events which are sponsored by Dragon's Eye Productions, players submitting dreams are required to include text that details credits to ensure that all non-default patches are used with permission.

===Pay to Play===
Furcadia has long had a policy of being "Forever Free", a community principle that players will never have to pay in order to use Furcadia. However, some have argued that the addition of many "pay" options, such as wings, additional species and custom portraits, have created two tiers in Furcadia, with those who do not pay having an inferior experience.

As of the "Fox Upate" there are a total of over 55 Paying Player Only options <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4 Paying player Only options]</ref> including around 18 kinds of givable description tag items <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=18&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& digo market: Desctags]</ref> <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=8&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo Market: Roses and other Desctags]</ref>(not including the weekly sale desctags), five kinds of wings <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=1&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo market: wings]</ref>, 17 different avatars (including alternate forms)<ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4 Digo market: Avatar selections at bottom]</ref>, Portraits visible outside of personal dreams<ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=6&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo market: Portraits]</ref>, and the 18+ "benefits" only available for sponsorship accounts <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=7&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Sponsor Perks]</ref> such as special dream upload colors and spots, character color change in-game, and Beta testing.

Dragon's Eye Productions has indicated that there is an inherent tension between providing a service that requires expensive equipment, bandwidth and staff to operate, and having a game that is completely free, and that these pay options enable Furcadia to continue to exist. Over time, many of the pay-only features have been made available for free, such as the ability to use PhoenixSpeak.

== Release History ==
=== Version 24 ===
"Lions & Tigers & Bears, OMG!", Released 2007-10-26<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/update/bearsomg.html Lions, Tigers and Bears, OMG Update Features]</ref>
*Added: Additional DragonSpeak
*Added: New Species: Ursines, Bats, Ferian Leonen, Ferian Tygard, Penguins, Werewolves
*Added: DragonSpeak Button improvements, including Dsbtns.fsh to hold DragonSpeak Buttons #11 - #99
*Added: Performance improvements and reduced memory use
*Added: Ability to run Furcadia off a flash drive
*Added: PhoenixSpeak (alpha)
*Added: Window resizing refinements
*Added: 'Show Hidden Buttons' option in Furcadia Skinner
*Added: Wine compatibility

=== Version 25 ===
"Fox Update", Released 2008-01-31<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/update/fox.html Fox Update Features]</ref>
*Added: Additional DragonSpeak
*Added: New Species: Unicorn, Foxen Ferian, Furling, Chinchilla, Flox
*Added: Client-side animations usign KitterSpeak
*Added: New patch file format (.fox)
*Added: New "Golden Age" skin
*Added: DS button improvements, including remappable buttons and portraits and butlers are now buttons.
*Added: Item4.fox and Floor2.fox to allow user-created patches and aminations
*Added: New "F" tab with extra room and some new buttons like "who", "forums" and "map".
*Added: Test Mode for weavers to test out dreams made with SS and GP features.
*Added: The Wylde Updated!
*Added: Live and shared dream editing

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Furcadia|Furcadia]] on Wikipedia
* [[Uncyclopedia:Furcadia|Furcadia]] on Uncyclopedia

== Unofficial Sites ==
==== General ====
* '''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/furcadiajournal/
* '''Wiki''': http://wiki.nf.qien.net/f/Main_Page

==== Dragonspeak ====
* [http://www.geocities.com/dreamlessdancer/index.htm Dreamless Dancer's site]

==== Criticism====
* ''[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/furcadia Holiday In Furcadia]'' - A satirical account of a player's sex adventures in Furcadia from [[Crush Yiff Destroy]].

==== Dreams and guilds ====
* [http://simon.greydawn.net/public/ Furcadia Historical Society - Dream Archives]
* [http://dreams.greydawn.net/ Association of Dream Makers - Help Guild]
* [http://circle.sanct.net/ The Circle - Help Guild] (Sanctuary)
* [[Lost Lake|Lost Lake - Social RP Guild]]
* [http://www.dsfargeg.com/wtwiki The Wisdom Tree]
* [http://nff.110mb.com/ New Furre Friends - Social and Help (E8)]

==== Patching ====
* [http://www.furcadia.com/patches/ Furcadia Patch Archive]
* [http://www.realtime.net/~pixel/patches/ Talzhemir's "The Basics of Patching"]
* [http://www.furry.org.au/kell/ Kell Bengal's Furcadia Patches]
* [http://archive.roamheart.com/ Roamheart Patching Database]
* [http://dreams.greydawn.net/ The Association of Dream Makers]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Talzhemir's Treasure Trove]
* [http://ultraanimefan1.googlepages.com/downloads/ Deedlit79's Patch Archive]

==References==
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Furcadia

2008-07-01T17:28:29Z

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[[Image:Furcadia.png|right|Furcadia]]
'''Furcadia''', also known as '''Furc''', is a [[furry]] graphical multiplayer online community ([[Wikipedia:MMOSG|MMOSG]]) developed by [[Felorin]] (Dr. Cat) and [[Talzhemir]] ("Manda"), with contributions from many others.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/credits.html Furcadia's contributor page]</ref> Furcadia has been running since 1996<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/tenth/timeline.html Furcadia Timeline]</ref> and is possibly the largest online furry community, with over 70,000 registered players<ref name="newsletter-May2007">"[http://www.furcadia.com/cards/update023/ May 2007 Newsletter]", ''Dragon's Eye Productions''.</ref> and 2,000 - 4,500 online users active at any given time.
{{WikiFurNews|Kitterwing update for Furcadia}}
* '''Addresses''':
** '''Website''': http://www.furcadia.com/
** '''Forums''': http://forums.furcadia.com/
* '''Founders''': [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]], [[Emerald Flame]], [[Sanctimonious]]
* '''Ran from/to''': 1996 - present
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== Overview ==

Furcadia is free to all users. To join Furcadia, the [http://www.furcadia.com/download/ Windows client] can be downloaded and installed. This client connects to the Furcadia server, allows for character creation, and provides a graphical environment where a [[furre]] (Furcadia character) can explore [[Dream (Furcadia)|dreams]] (player-made areas) and interact with others.

Joining Furcadia involves creating a character by selecting a name, entering a contact e-mail address to activate an account, selecting a [[species]], choosing colors, and writing a personal description that is visible to other furres.

The following species can be selected during the character creation process: [[Rodent]], [[Equine]], [[Feline]], [[Canine]], [[Musteline]], [[Lapine]], [[Squirrel (species)|Squirrel]], [[Bovine]] (also known as [[Minotaur]]s), and [[Ursine]]. It is also common to use one of these base species to create another; for example, choosing the coloring on a squirrel to make it look like a [[skunk]].

In addition to the basic species, furres can purchase various add-ons for their character using real-world money. These add-ons are known as "Digos". These include Portrait spaces (for one [[port]] each), pixel roses, four types of [[wing]]s (Classic Wings, Tricolor Wings, Butterfly Wings, [[Bat]] Wings, and Prime Wings), various alternate species ([[Dragon]], [[Phoenix]], [[Gryphon]], Kitterwing, Unicorn, and "ferian" ("unevolved", non-biped) species of Wolven, Tygard, Leonen, and Foxen), and flight and fire-breathing effects. In their latest update, Furcadia also offers Furling (child furres), Chinchilla,and Flox (a foxen with a flower on its head). All purchases help support the operation and improvements of Furcadia.

You can also have your real-world money translated in to game currency, known as "DragonScales".<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/community/dragonscales.html Furcadia DragonScales Overview]</ref> DragonScales are only usable for spending at the DigoMarket and are often used for game-related trades. They come in three types:
*Golden Dragonscale (GD) - Costs one American dollar.
*Silver Dragonscale (SD) - Costs ten American cents.
*Copper Dragonscale (CD) - Costs one American cent.

== The Furcadia Client ==
[[Image:Furcadia_client_jujinka.png|thumbnail|250px|right|Furcadia in action]]

The Furcadia Client runs on Windows 95 through Vista. It is organized into four main areas:
* The upper left section displays the portrait and name of a furre when they are clicked on.
* The lower left section contains five tabs that allow the furre to move about and interact with the world around them.
* The upper right section shows the dream that the furre is currently in, including other furres that are nearby.
* The lower right section contains a text window, used to talk with other furres visible above, and to whisper (private message) other furres that are currently logged in.

=== Non-Windows Platforms ===
An officially supported Macintosh client has often been requested, but in the past has been considered a "lower development priority" when compared to other features and capabilities. [[Ghost Tiger]] has developed and maintains [http://www.ghosttiger.com/mfurc/ mFurc], a native client for the Macintosh users that provides most of the capabilities of the Windows version. It also includes several enhanced capabilities, including a buddy list, integration with Growl for notifications and whisper chat windows, much like those provided by iChats plus a contact list, and a selective notification feature called Totem. mFurc is Leopard (10.5) compatible and available as a Universal binary.

GNU/Linux users should find that The Furcadia Client installs and runs perfectly under [http://www.winehq.org wine] versions greater than 0.9.17. and with [[Wikipedia:CrossOver|CrossOver]]. New Macintosh systems that use [[Wikipedia:Intel|Intel]] chips can run Furcadia via CrossOver, [[Wikipedia:Parallels_Desktop|Parallels Desktop]] and/or [[Wikipedia:Boot Camp|Boot Camp]] (which allows Windows 95 to Vista OS to run natively.)

=== Third-party applications ===

Many third-party applications have been written to complement and enhance the Furcadia Client. These applications include:
* Proxies, which sit between the Furcadia Client and the Server and provide additional capabilities. Examples include Furnarchy, [[DogProxy]] and Mreow! Proxy.
* Bots, which allow characters to be controlled by a computer program. Examples include FurBot.
* Editors, which allow the editing of [[Patch (Furcadia)|patches]], [[DragonSpeak]] and [[Dream (Furcadia)|dream]] maps. Examples include Dreamer.
* Alternate clients, which allow characters to visit Furcadia. Examples include mFurc.

== History ==

* '''1994''': DragonSpires, a predecessor of Furcadia, is created by Felorin and Talzhemir.
* '''1996''': 12/16 - First release of Furcadia
** [http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.games.mud.admin/msg/6fd37689f7063635?dmode=source New MUSH seeking builders] - July 1996 usenet post
* '''1998''': The Circle Help Guild is chartered
* '''2000''': 08/28 - Dragon update (V. 13)
* '''2001''': 04/15 - Phoenix update (V. 16)
* '''2001''': 11/04 - Lapine update (V. 18)
* '''2002''': 03/15 - Butterflywing update (V. 19)
* '''2002''': Furcadia is a finalist at the Fifth Annual [[Wikipedia:Independent Games Festival|Independent Games Festival]]
* '''2003''': 01/09 - Gryffe update (V. 20)
* '''2004''': 10/29 - Squirrel and Batwing update (V. 22)
* '''2006''': 12/16 - Furcadia is the very first MMO to reach ten years running
* '''2007''': 04/06 - Kitterwing and Bovine update (V. 23)
* '''2007''': 10/28 - Lions & Tigers & Bears, OMG! Update (V. 24)
* '''2008''': 01/31 - Fox Update (V. 25)

== Community ==
[[Image:FurcadiaBeekinStatue.png|right|frame|A statue of [[Beekin]] in Naia Green]]
There are twelve official maps within Furcadia:

*'''''All ages'''''
** '''[[Naia Green]]''' is the central community map, where furres can get assistance, take classes and meet other furres.
** '''[[Vinca]]''' is the nexus of Furcadia, allowing access to almost all of the other main dreams. it also is where festival dreams are uploaded during the assorted yearly festivals.
* '''''Age 13+'''''
** '''[[Acropolis]]''' is a socializing area where furres can load their own dreams.
** '''[[Allegria Island]]''' is a socializing area where furres can load their own dreams.
** '''[[Challenges]]''' contains many single and multi-furre games, including chess, bumper spiders, and checkers.
** '''[[Imaginarium]]''' is a place where furres can load strict [[roleplay]]-oriented dreams.
** '''[[Meovanni Village]]''' is a free-form "persona play" role playing map.
**'''[[Theriopolis]]''' is a Renaissance-themed freeform roleplaying area.
**'''[http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/goldwyn.html The Village of Goldwyn]''' a place for freeform roleplay for those wishing to roleplay in [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/dragonlands.html Furcadia's official canon].
** '''[[The Wylde]]''' An area in which it simulates a wild life area built to cater to [[Feral]] Furries.
*'''''Age 16+'''''
** '''[[Hawthorn]]''' (Previously Haven and New Haven) is a map for teens and adults ages 16 and up.
** '''[[Club Dusk 2 Dawn]]''' An area built for gothic horror roleplaying.
* '''''Adults Only'''''
** '''[[Furrabian Nights]]''' (aka "FurN") is a "Mysterious Arabia" themed map for adult roleplay and dream uploads.

== Role-playing ==

Many different [[role-playing]] communities exist within Furcadia. As furres can create their own dreams, continuities range from Pirates on the High Seas, to Furres in Spaceships, to Elizabethan Gardens, to Medieval to [[Fantasy]]. One famous outside the Furcadia community is [[Lost Lake]], featured in the popular [[webcomic]] ''[[Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures]]''

The official continuity of Furcadia is known as [[Furre!]] and was created by [[Talzhemir]] and set in the world of [[Kasuria]]. It has a rich history and mythology.

* [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/chargen7.html Furre! - The official Furcadia RP Character Generation Rules]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Fur/history.htm History of the Furcadian World]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Fur/kasuria2.gif Map of the Land of Kasuria]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/roleplay/primes.html Furcadian Primes]

Many non-continuity Role Playing Guilds also exist within Furcadia:

* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=1 Social Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=2 Persona Roleplay Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=3 Strict Roleplaying Guilds]
* [http://www.furcadia.com/services/guilds/guilds.php4?guild_type=3 Adult Guilds]

== Dreams ==
Furcadia comes with tools allowing a furre to create their own worlds ("Dreams".) This includes '''DreamEd''' for laying out objects, floors and walls, '''DSEditor''' for writing DragonSpeak code to add interactivity, and '''fsheditor''' to draw new objects, floors, walls and portraits. There is also '''skinner''' which allows you to edit the Furcadia skin files, which define the look and feel of the client user interface, and the '''Animation Editor''', part of the Dream Editor which allows you to edit animations on objects.

== Volunteer community ==
Furcadia has a large and active volunteer community, known as the [http://www.furcadia.com/beekins/ Furcadia Beekins]. There are many types of Beekins:

* Bugge Hunters provide technical support and track down bugs
* Dream Masons provide assistance with creating dreams and writing DragonSpeak
* Guardians enforce rules within Furcadia. Their roles are similar to that of Wizards in other online MUDs/MUCKs
* Helpers provide general assistance, in person and via a help channel
* Pixels provide help with drawing and creating patches
* Scribes maintain the Furcadia web site and moderate the Furcadia Forums
* Welcomers welcome new furres, provide orientation tours and answer questions
* Mentors provide assistance and guidance for furres in the Beekin program
* Teachers provide classes for furres in the Beekins program

== Criticism ==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Some players have criticized Furcadia for not providing an interesting gaming environment.{{fact}} Some players who are used to [[Wikipedia:MMORPG|MMORPG]]-style games find the online roleplay and chatroom-style interaction to be repetitive and boring after extended play, lacking the elements found in other MMORPGs such as killing, leveling up, and other common game play features of the MMORPG genre. Other players find that the social interactions, role playing and the creative aspects of Furcadia provide an engaging and positive environment when compared to games that focus on war, killing, acquisition of wealth and property and level grinding that typifies many MMORPGs.

=== Customer Support ===
There have been instances where players who purchase items at the Digo Store that include goods that need to be physically shipped who have complained on the Furcadia Forums that their items never arrived.{{fact}} Furcadia encourages those who did not receive their items to contact them, and most instances have been resolved without problems.

=== Bans ===
The Furcadia Guardians enforce community standards for behaviour in the main maps, and depending on the severity by which a given player is violating the rules or disrupting the game, they may be banned temporarily or permanently from the game. Many players who have been banned claim that the bans are a result of them being personally targeted. However, since the Guardians will not discuss the reasons behind a ban for confidentiality reasons, the official cause of many bans can not be determined by the public or by the player who was banned.

Some players have complained about the "Banish" commands which are available to dream owners.{{fact}} They claim that these commands allow the dream owners to deny players access to dreams for arbitrary reasons, and are used to discriminate against certain players. Given that the Furcadia rules state that dreams are solely owned by the dream owner, they are free to use the Banish/eject commands on whomever they choose for whatever reason, if any, they choose.

=== Dream Locations ===
Disputes between players have arisen when one dream owner loads their dream in a location where another, usually more well-known dream, has been loaded in the past. When a dream is for a chartered guild, a spot on a map is reserved for them. In this case, if another dream is loaded in their officially designated spot, the Guardians will remove the other dream to allow the guild to upload their dream.

A common complaint revolves around the [[Lost Lake]] dream, a dream in Allegria Island that is always uploaded in the same spot as an official tribute and shrine to the deceased owner [[Alexsi]].{{fact}} People who upload their dreams or sit in Lost Lake's "spot" may receive anything as minimal as being ejected from AI to something as extreme as being temporarily suspended from the game as a whole.{{fact}} This has led protestors to rhetorically question whether or not their dream would get special attention if they were to commit suicide.{{fact}}

In a future update, Dragon's Eye Productions has indicated that they plan to allow players to purchase a "group package". One of the variations of the planned group package will include a dedicated location on the map where the player can upload their dream.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/community/gg.html Group Packages Community Talk]</ref>

=== Suggestions ===
Dragon's Eye Productions solicits feedback from Furcadia players regarding possible changes, enhancements and additions to the Furcadia client, server and dreams in an official forum.<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showforum=17 Official Furcadia Suggestions Forum]</ref> While many suggestions made by the community have been implemented, some players have complained that their suggestions have been ignored.{{fact}}

One area of contention is the ordering in which additional avatar species have been added to the game. Dragon's Eye Productions maintains a list of requested species<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showtopic=13902 List of Requested Species]</ref>, however some players have requested that species be introduced in a different order. For example, the Bear avatar, as requested by a [http://www.furnation.com/saffron/furcadia/BEAR.html petition for bears in Furcadia started in 1999] was finally added in 2007, after almost eight years of constant requests.

===Player Created Content===
Section five of the Furcadia User Agreement states that when any original work or derivative work is uploaded to Furcadia, the player grants Dragon's Eye Productions the right to redistribute their work electronically or via other formats and media.<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/useragreement/ Furcadia User Agreement]</ref> Dragon's Eye Productions stated in their [http://www.furcadia.com/logs/townmeeting-2006-12.html 2006 Town Hall Meeting] that this is intended to allow them to distribute promotional copies of Furcadia on CD-ROM, complete with examples of player dreams. Despite this, some players have worried that this permits the creation of others to be used by Dragon's Eye Productions without credit or payment.{{fact}}

===Art Theft===
A common complaint from players who create patches is the unauthorized use of their creations by other players.<ref>[http://forums.furcadia.com/index.php?showtopic=2888 Forum complaints about Art Theft]</ref> While Furcadia allows patches and dreams to be uploaded in an "encrypted" format, this does not prevent players from taking a screen capture, and Dragon's Eye Productions disclaims any responsibility for unauthorized use of player-uploaded content in the Furcadia User Agreement.

For contests and special events which are sponsored by Dragon's Eye Productions, players submitting dreams are required to include text that details credits to ensure that all non-default patches are used with permission.

===Pay to Play===
Furcadia has long had a policy of being "Forever Free", a community principle that players will never have to pay in order to use Furcadia. However, some have argued that the addition of many "pay" options, such as wings, additional species and custom portraits, have created two tiers in Furcadia, with those who do not pay having an inferior experience.

As of the "Fox Upate" there are a total of over 55 Paying Player Only options <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4 Paying player Only options]</ref> including around 18 kinds of givable description tag items <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=18&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& digo market: Desctags]</ref> <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=8&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo Market: Roses and other Desctags]</ref>(not including the weekly sale desctags), five kinds of wings <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=1&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo market: wings]</ref>, 17 different avatars (including alternate forms)<ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4 Digo market: Avatar selections at bottom]</ref>, Portraits visible outside of personal dreams<ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=6&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Digo market: Portraits]</ref>, and the 18+ "benefits" only available for sponsorship accounts <ref>[http://www.digomarket.com/cart.php4?cmd=list&topic=7&furcadia_session_id=12071-qgbo-dbf& Sponsor Perks]</ref> such as special dream upload colors and spots, character color change in-game, and Beta testing.

Dragon's Eye Productions has indicated that there is an inherent tension between providing a service that requires expensive equipment, bandwidth and staff to operate, and having a game that is completely free, and that these pay options enable Furcadia to continue to exist. Over time, many of the pay-only features have been made available for free, such as the ability to use PhoenixSpeak.

== Release History ==
=== Version 24 ===
"Lions & Tigers & Bears, OMG!", Released 2007-10-26<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/update/bearsomg.html Lions, Tigers and Bears, OMG Update Features]</ref>
*Added: Additional DragonSpeak
*Added: New Species: Ursines, Bats, Ferian Leonen, Ferian Tygard, Penguins, Werewolves
*Added: DragonSpeak Button improvements, including Dsbtns.fsh to hold DragonSpeak Buttons #11 - #99
*Added: Performance improvements and reduced memory use
*Added: Ability to run Furcadia off a flash drive
*Added: PhoenixSpeak (alpha)
*Added: Window resizing refinements
*Added: 'Show Hidden Buttons' option in Furcadia Skinner
*Added: Wine compatibility

=== Version 25 ===
"Fox Update", Released 2008-01-31<ref>[http://www.furcadia.com/update/fox.html Fox Update Features]</ref>
*Added: Additional DragonSpeak
*Added: New Species: Unicorn, Foxen Ferian, Furling, Chinchilla, Flox
*Added: Client-side animations usign KitterSpeak
*Added: New patch file format (.fox)
*Added: New "Golden Age" skin
*Added: DS button improvements, including remappable buttons and portraits and butlers are now buttons.
*Added: Item4.fox and Floor2.fox to allow user-created patches and aminations
*Added: New "F" tab with extra room and some new buttons like "who", "forums" and "map".
*Added: Test Mode for weavers to test out dreams made with SS and GP features.
*Added: The Wylde Updated!
*Added: Live and shared dream editing

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Furcadia|Furcadia]] on Wikipedia
* [[Uncyclopedia:Furcadia|Furcadia]] on Uncyclopedia

== Unofficial Sites ==
==== General ====
* '''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/furcadiajournal/
* '''Wiki''': http://wiki.nf.qien.net/f/Main_Page

==== Dragonspeak ====
* [http://www.geocities.com/dreamlessdancer/index.htm Dreamless Dancer's site]

==== Criticism====
* ''[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/furcadia Holiday In Furcadia]'' - A satirical account of a player's sex adventures in Furcadia from [[Crush Yiff Destroy]].

==== Dreams and guilds ====
* [http://simon.greydawn.net/public/ Furcadia Historical Society - Dream Archives]
* [http://dreams.greydawn.net/ Association of Dream Makers - Help Guild]
* [http://circle.sanct.net/ The Circle - Help Guild] (Sanctuary)
* [[Lost Lake|Lost Lake - Social RP Guild]]
* [http://www.dsfargeg.com/wtwiki The Wisdom Tree]
* [http://nff.110mb.com/ New Furre Friends - Social and Help (E8)]

==== Patching ====
* [http://www.furcadia.com/patches/ Furcadia Patch Archive]
* [http://www.realtime.net/~pixel/patches/ Talzhemir's "The Basics of Patching"]
* [http://www.furry.org.au/kell/ Kell Bengal's Furcadia Patches]
* [http://archive.roamheart.com/ Roamheart Patching Database]
* [http://dreams.greydawn.net/ The Association of Dream Makers]
* [http://www.bga.com/~pixel/Talzhemir's Treasure Trove]
* [http://ultraanimefan1.googlepages.com/downloads/ Deedlit79's Patch Archive]

==References==
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Mouschi

2008-07-01T17:19:59Z

Siege: Reverted edits by 12.202.102.189 (talk) to last version by Robomilk

'''Mouschi''' is an administrator of [[FurTube]]. His [[fursona]] is a grey [[cat]].

==External links==
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mouschi Mouschi] on [[Fur Affinity]]

{{person-stub}}
[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Cat characters]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-30T15:11:07Z

Siege: /* Voting phase */ - unregistered votes. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that people give themselves a name we can address if they wish to vote here.

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-30T15:05:13Z

Siege: /* Voting phase */ I agree that history shouldn't be changed, but you can change how you feel about it.

User talk:Siege

2008-06-30T14:46:55Z

Siege: /* Life immitates art (lol) */ Hm, 3?

{{/Header}}

== Didn't do it ==

You kniow Seige...I haven't done ANYTHING with what you say okay? There are TROLLS and spammers that are ruining my life and saying lies...please don;t be one of them...and ruin my page....okay? those areabunch of lies...

and please do not put anymore lies on my page, thank you.
(The preceding unsigned comment was posted by [[User:Asylumfoxy714|Asylumfoxy714]][[User talk:Asylumfoxy714|Talk]] at 13:29, 26 May 2008)

:That's why I removed the wild accusation which wasn't supported by its reference (I would need more than a lone post about being angry over unexpected jury duty to accept that that person had a "history" of unstable behavior), and placed the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag on those claims which were retained. If those facts cannot be substantiated, they will eventually be removed. Give it a month or two, and remember that if you are accused of something, you can always ask for evidence.

:If you can prove that the claims are unsubstantiated or incorrect, please do so, and they will be removed immediately. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

"and remember that if you are accused of something, you can always ask for evidence."

Except for in a real world court of law (would be funny if it wasn't so true).

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Romanian & the IM ==

Honestly? I don't know how he got it - And I don't think ANYONE would be crazy enough to ASK.

(I have my suspicions that he's been watching me for years... and with the wierd things I've seen happen, there's NO WAY I want to get on this person's bad side)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Request ==

Mozdoc has asked me to relay a request to you.

He asks that you unblock him on AIM, so that he might discuss matters with you directly.
Whether you grant his request is up to you.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 15:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't block him; I turned off my client. However, I am willing to converse again, possibly later tonight. But if he wants wants me to take any action at all beyond listening to him complain, then he needs to treat me as an equal, rather than as a lesser being. I don't care if I'm not his buddy, but I won't respond to angry demands. My task as Administrator is to protect and improve the wiki, and he needs to make his argument in those terms: Will this change improve the wiki? I'll also be researching the implied claim: that his public actions are of little note and that any record of them on this wiki should be redacted through personal exclusion of the article about him and its talk page. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I've had a few hours to think about it, the implied claim in Mozdoc's exclusion request is that his public activity is not of ''sufficient'' note to warrant preventing an exclusion. We've excluded others whose activity in or affecting furry fandom was of note, both for their works, and for the influence they've had on those around them. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 22:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc ==

I'd like to respectfully submit that this whole voting process seems to go against the [[Help:Furry_Book_of_Style#Articles_about_people|Furry Book of Style]]. Therefore I submit that Mozdoc's RL name should be removed from the article under existing standards and practices rather than draw the voting out an extra week or two.

PS: I sent a message to you directly since it seems that the discussion page was locked. It does not seem very fair to have them wait 2 weeks while the discussion page is locked and noone can weigh in on this arguement. --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 08:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not Siege, but I hope I can answer your questions. Guidelines summarize existing practices; if the community agrees that it is not appropriate to follow a certain guideline, then can disregard it and possibly the guideline rewritten as a result.
:As for the vote taking a while, results so far have been equivocal, perhaps it the results had shown a clear preference for one or the other, the vote would be over already. I'm going to unprotect [[Talk:Mozdoc]]; I'm sure Siege is capable of evaluating whether votes by new or unregistered users are made in good faith or not. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:The page was partially locked by Spirou, to prevent unregistered users from commenting. I wasn't aware that it would also block newer users like yourself - did it, or what happened to prevent you? As for using the Furry Book of Style, this guideline has in the past been overridden by group consensus which stated that including the person's personal name was necessary for the public good. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:Newly registered users have to wait at least 3 days last I checked before they can edit a semi-protected page. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Life immitates art (lol) ==

I thought this was funny enough to share.

"When hunting a vampire, be especially careful to remember the creature's intelligence. They can also blend into mortal society, dominating and manipulating the people around them, even going so far as to win unsuspecting allies and even friends. Cunning vampires may have the support, if not the love, of those around them. In short, do not assume that a vampire is a "two-dimensional" monster, interested only in drinking blood and draining life-energy. If these advantages were not enough, with time most vampires develop an incredible force of personality with which they delude and sway the gullible."

If you think on it, you'll realize what current wikifur event this could be applied to. :))

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 04:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:That makes three of us. ;) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 14:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Siege

2008-06-30T14:42:40Z

Siege: /* Life immitates art (lol) */ ;)

{{/Header}}

== Didn't do it ==

You kniow Seige...I haven't done ANYTHING with what you say okay? There are TROLLS and spammers that are ruining my life and saying lies...please don;t be one of them...and ruin my page....okay? those areabunch of lies...

and please do not put anymore lies on my page, thank you.
(The preceding unsigned comment was posted by [[User:Asylumfoxy714|Asylumfoxy714]][[User talk:Asylumfoxy714|Talk]] at 13:29, 26 May 2008)

:That's why I removed the wild accusation which wasn't supported by its reference (I would need more than a lone post about being angry over unexpected jury duty to accept that that person had a "history" of unstable behavior), and placed the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag on those claims which were retained. If those facts cannot be substantiated, they will eventually be removed. Give it a month or two, and remember that if you are accused of something, you can always ask for evidence.

:If you can prove that the claims are unsubstantiated or incorrect, please do so, and they will be removed immediately. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

"and remember that if you are accused of something, you can always ask for evidence."

Except for in a real world court of law (would be funny if it wasn't so true).

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Romanian & the IM ==

Honestly? I don't know how he got it - And I don't think ANYONE would be crazy enough to ASK.

(I have my suspicions that he's been watching me for years... and with the wierd things I've seen happen, there's NO WAY I want to get on this person's bad side)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Request ==

Mozdoc has asked me to relay a request to you.

He asks that you unblock him on AIM, so that he might discuss matters with you directly.
Whether you grant his request is up to you.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 15:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't block him; I turned off my client. However, I am willing to converse again, possibly later tonight. But if he wants wants me to take any action at all beyond listening to him complain, then he needs to treat me as an equal, rather than as a lesser being. I don't care if I'm not his buddy, but I won't respond to angry demands. My task as Administrator is to protect and improve the wiki, and he needs to make his argument in those terms: Will this change improve the wiki? I'll also be researching the implied claim: that his public actions are of little note and that any record of them on this wiki should be redacted through personal exclusion of the article about him and its talk page. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I've had a few hours to think about it, the implied claim in Mozdoc's exclusion request is that his public activity is not of ''sufficient'' note to warrant preventing an exclusion. We've excluded others whose activity in or affecting furry fandom was of note, both for their works, and for the influence they've had on those around them. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 22:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc ==

I'd like to respectfully submit that this whole voting process seems to go against the [[Help:Furry_Book_of_Style#Articles_about_people|Furry Book of Style]]. Therefore I submit that Mozdoc's RL name should be removed from the article under existing standards and practices rather than draw the voting out an extra week or two.

PS: I sent a message to you directly since it seems that the discussion page was locked. It does not seem very fair to have them wait 2 weeks while the discussion page is locked and noone can weigh in on this arguement. --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 08:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not Siege, but I hope I can answer your questions. Guidelines summarize existing practices; if the community agrees that it is not appropriate to follow a certain guideline, then can disregard it and possibly the guideline rewritten as a result.
:As for the vote taking a while, results so far have been equivocal, perhaps it the results had shown a clear preference for one or the other, the vote would be over already. I'm going to unprotect [[Talk:Mozdoc]]; I'm sure Siege is capable of evaluating whether votes by new or unregistered users are made in good faith or not. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:44, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:The page was partially locked by Spirou, to prevent unregistered users from commenting. I wasn't aware that it would also block newer users like yourself - did it, or what happened to prevent you? As for using the Furry Book of Style, this guideline has in the past been overridden by group consensus which stated that including the person's personal name was necessary for the public good. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:Newly registered users have to wait at least 3 days last I checked before they can edit a semi-protected page. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Life immitates art (lol) ==

I thought this was funny enough to share.

"When hunting a vampire, be especially careful to remember the creature's intelligence. They can also blend into mortal society, dominating and manipulating the people around them, even going so far as to win unsuspecting allies and even friends. Cunning vampires may have the support, if not the love, of those around them. In short, do not assume that a vampire is a "two-dimensional" monster, interested only in drinking blood and draining life-energy. If these advantages were not enough, with time most vampires develop an incredible force of personality with which they delude and sway the gullible."

If you think on it, you'll realize what current wikifur event this could be applied to. :))

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 04:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:That makes two of us. ;) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 14:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Siege

2008-06-28T13:12:38Z

Siege: /* Mozdoc */ Didn't know that would prevent a registered user.

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-28T13:05:25Z

Siege: /* Voting phase */ Actually, we do want the "bullshit" to end. It's not all the same stuff, tho.

Bad Bunny

2008-06-28T02:05:36Z

Siege: /* Characters */ fixed bad phrasing

{{Infobox webcomic
| title = Bad Bunny
| image = [[Image:BadBunnyWebcomic.jpg|280px]]
| caption =
| author = [[Wolfie (artist)|Wolfie]]
| url = http://www.wolfiespack.com/toontemplate.html
| status = Ended
| began = January 7, 2000
| ended = March 31, 2002
| genre = Adult Humour
| rating = [[Image:Censor MA button.png]][[Category:Rated MA]]
}}
'''''Bad Bunny''''' is a [[webcomic]] created by [[Wolfie (artist)|Wolfie]] that started on January 7, 2000. While it does go into an extended hiatus from time to time, it is still in production. It centres around the [[rabbit]] character Dutch Hutch and his day-to-day life. Most of the jokes revolve around the themes of drugs, sex, and violence. The comic features small story arcs that usually resolved themselves within a week or two.

==Characters==
* '''Dutch Hutch''' - The main character of the comic. He is a man of all vices, and is usually shown living each and every one of them up. Through out the comic his love interest is Keri but nothing is made permanent between the two.

* '''Keri''' - One of the few people who can tolerate Dutch for what he's truly worth. She often tries to start a relationship with Dutch, but nothing ever truly comes of it. She is however rather close to Dutch's mother (as the two of them appear to frequently talk behind his back, and in fact stripped together for an evening to teach Dutch a lesson of morality).

* '''Bud''' - Owns the bar in which many of the strips take place. He can occasionally lend a sympathetic ear, but has also encouraged people to drink more.

* '''Gary L'pine''' - Dutch's boss. He has a short temper and a large violent streak. He would have fired Dutch a long time ago if he didn't require Dutch's cybersex logs to please his wife Sasha.

* '''Sasha L'pine''' - Gary's wife who for a short time tries to start a fling with Dutch. She is somewhat of a seductress.

* '''Tim L'pine''' - Gary's evil brother who is always scheming to get revenge on his brother and Dutch. When he was a child he was shipped away to Malaysia by Gary. After he returned many years later he assumed the position of Gary's evil assistance under a guise as a mute.

* '''Erin''' - Dutch's sister who escaped from the Lady of Eternal Rash and Backache Nunnery. She grows drugs which Dutch has used to his advantage. She also comes to the possession of a [[bisexual]] lover/slave named Dan.

* '''Tyrone''' - Dutch's [[gay]] friend and supervisor at work. He has a crush on Dutch, but is conflicted with Dutch's heterosexuality. He likes to kiss Dutch as a teasing joke.

* '''Holly''' - A bodybuilder who Dutch dated for awhile. They eventually broke up because Holly feared that their continuous sexcapades would lead to his eventual death.

==External links==
* [http://www.wolfiespack.com/toontemplate.html ''Bad Bunny''] website

[[Category:Mature comics]]
[[Category:2000 births]]

Monoceros

2008-06-27T17:10:53Z

Siege: +clarifying words

[[Image:Tugrik tw.jpg|right|300px|A stalking monoceros]]

'''Monoceri''' (singular: '''Monoceros''') are large, [[quadruped]]al creatures with a thick coat of fur, an ivory coloured horn on their [[whiskers|whiskered]] muzzles and sharp [[Wikipedia:Teeth|teeth]]. Defining them can be difficult. Taken literally, they are a type of [[unicorn]]: "monoceros" means "one-horned". However, they are more accurately described as a type of [[feline|felinoid]] [[dragon]].

They walk (or galumph) on four legs. All four [[paw]]s have four fingers and two thumbs, though on the hind paws the thumbs are higher up and less prominent. They walk on their front-paw knuckles like gorillas, though go open-palmed to climb or work with tools.

Monoceri are attracted to interesting scents and cool technology. They are [[omnivore]]s.

The best known example of a monoceros is [[Tugrik]].

== External links ==
* [http://tugrik.livejournal.com/618000.html Critters n Rice], a (locked) blog post about diet

[[Category:Fictional species]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-27T16:59:56Z

Siege: /* Voting phase */ Oops, four people for extension.

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-27T16:55:26Z

Siege: /* Voting phase */ My intention is and has been to give adequate time for comment. Move for July 7 extension thirded.

Forum:Heya, im a newbie too!

2008-06-27T05:06:22Z

Siege: We're pretty much everywhere.

<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' [[Forum:Index|Index]] > [[Forum:Watercooler|Watercooler]] > {{PAGENAME}}</div> 


Heya, my name's Mike and im new to to wikifur. I've loved furry cartoons and games since i was around 6 but never really new there was a community of it until my buddy mentioned furries in World Of Warcraft a few days ago..
i've been reading about it a lot and seems like fun so i thought I'd say hello. ^_^

:Welcome to WikiFur, and glad to hear about your discovery of furry fandom. You'll find that there are quite a few of us about and you're in good company. The discussions you'll find here on WikiFur are primarily geared toward WikiFur itself and the improvement of the articles thereon. If you're looking for a more general community website to interact with furry fans, you might want to take a look at the [[list of furry LiveJournal communities]], [[list of furry discussion forums]], some of the [[:Category:Websites|websites]] covered here, including such places as [[Fur Affinity]] and [[VCL]]. And if you still like what you find, once you've had some time to get around a bit and meet some other fans online or in person, you might want to consider attending a furry [[convention]]. Once again, welcome and I hope you have as much fun as the rest of us do. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 05:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been to VCL and they have some nice work up like that bubble tree. lol.
i dont have a live journal though, should i consider getting one? i bet my brother could help >.>

:Heh. Furries found LiveJournal early on, and some of the early adopters were well-known or well-liked enough to attract friends and followers who wanted to easily read their journals, which attracted those peoples' friends and followers, and so on. However, plenty of us also use MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, and other kinds of social networking sites. It's just that LJ offers communities (basically group discussion boards), rather than fan sites, which has led to the creation of so many communities on LJ. In any case, get an account where you like, and you'll probably find furries who are already there. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

[[Category:Watercooler]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-24T08:25:44Z

Siege: /* Removal of real name? */ Here is my summary of comments. Where do you stand?

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Mozdoc, I doubt you'll ever read this... but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I have yet to see anything that shows WHY you went off on a hell-raising spree, at least nothing definative. Granted, ayukawataur in particular tends to be an a** - but a relatively minor one compared to all the other crap going on both online & off.

You've built up quite a notorious reputation so far. Now that you have, you can make a choice - to continue using that rep as you have been, or to change focus and use it to try and change how things have become in the world. I know from experience what such a reputation can accomplish. Lol, the very upper class "snobs" in my area who used to delight in pushing people around and throwing their weight around now tend to, as the saying goes, "walk on eggshells" and think twice about acting like a**holes towards others, simply because they are AFRAID of how I might come down on them. Hell, even the police who would look the other way at their antics & law breaking are hesitant to cross paths with or run afoul of me.

In spite of the way it sounds, I don't want you to think I'm bragging - it's a hard road & a hard life. But with all the crap I've seen I just couldn't stand by and let it go on, I had to do something about the unequal treatment.

With that said.....

Will ye join me? or will ye stand against me?

[[Special:Contributions/75.7.254.145|75.7.254.145]] 02:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I don't mind the removal of Mozdoc's given name, under the provision already suggested by Greenreaper. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I vote in favor of removing his real name. Give the poor dude a break. He might be a fuckup, sure, but Wikifur is not a government agency or a public service, it's a privately run fandom resource that in my opinion is exercising authority it does not have by taking it upon itself to try to police the actions of individuals. [[Special:Contributions/24.6.68.79|24.6.68.79]] 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops! That was me. [[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::I also vote in favor of removing his real name. In all situations online a real name is far less useful than a list of bannable IP addresses, which has obviously been included, along with his known monikers. The only benefit I can see in leaving this guy's name publicly available is that some sort of revenge might be meted out by allowing his Furry-based exploits to threaten his real-world associations. (i.e. -- airing dirty laundry for a potential employer to find should he google-search the player's name), and I would certainly hope the administrators of Wikifur would not condone the use of the Wiki for that purpose. Since it's clear the player in question wants his named removed, I don't think it does any credit to the Furry fandom, the WikiFur community, or anyone here that that particular request is denied. He could have asked more nicely, granted, but his mode of asking doesn't make the request itself less reasonable or its granting less right. [[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 12:35, 17 June, 2008 (CST)

::::::[[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]], discussion about the permanent removal of the user's real name is still ongoing on this talk page at the present time. No final decision has been made, hence the revert on the article until some kind of consensus is reached. My opinion on the mater?,... I'm taking a neutral position on this one (not worth the headache.) Will go with the Admin majority's final decision [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 06:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Is there some kind of timeframe in place for this decision? The discussion here seems to be largely neutral or in favor of removing the name. Also, I question the wisdom that lays this man's real name vulnerable during the deciding. It seems to me that it would make more sense to remove it until a decision has been made, given that its presence here does have real-world implications. [[User:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 1:30, 17 June 2008, (CST)

:::::::: i am going to cast my vote here, which is for the continued placement of his name on the page.
:::::::: first, it is his name, there is no doubt about it.
:::::::: second, he continues his harassment against not only myself, but others. including, but not limited to death threats, which happens to be a federal crime.
:::::::: individuals who are victims of his harassment may find information which may help them in stopping him from placing them in a constant state of fear for their own safety here.
:::::::: now i am all for forgiveness and giving people breaks. but, i also believe they need to illustrate that they have actually made a change in their behavior to warrant such. he has yet to really make any change.
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC) [tired and not really wanting to type any more]

You know, this would be so much easier if you would just shut up and get the hell lost and exit this "fandom". How about that? This article is about me and every time I try to correct something or get something changed that would make continuing my existence in this world much easier, guess who has to show the hell up and fuck with things again? That's right, YOU. How about we all vote to just simply ignore Noriko/Ayukawataur's suggestions and move forward with the removal of my real name? I have ZERO desire to be listed here on WikiFur and if so far its only the outcry of ONE person against many, then tough shit. Move ahead with my name removal so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed and move on. Shut up for once Noriko.

--Mozdoc

::''so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed''
::No. Too many voices object on that point. Never going to happen. I am not opposed to the removal of your given name from this article, but there are objections and changes of position involved. Tomorrow, I will summarize the votes as stated, including dates and Admin status. Since there ''has'' been an objection raised in the past six days, I'm going to give this another week (to Mon 30 June) for people to comment and acknowledge old votes. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:203.81.29.204|203.81.29.204]] ([[User talk:203.81.29.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.81.29.204|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:The above message was posted through a proxy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

== Problems with referencing ==

* Some things are cited to spindizzynews.org which has been admitted to be tounge-in-cheek style.[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=135692&oldid=135690] My understanding is that spindizzy.org is okay as a reference, but spindizzynews.org is not.
* One reference is cited to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc but the link doesn't go anywhere. Putting aside whether we should use WikiFur itself as a reference, the link should be to a specific diff.
* Not a good reference "It is generally believed that these allegations are true." By who?
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:*Agree, though it might be worth keeping it around as an example of the reaction.
:*We should use WikiFur as a reference for actions taken on WikiFur.
:*By me, if you want a specific example. By others, too. Can it be proved? Not officially without AAE saying so, and they've said explicitly that they won't. Is it, in all likelihood, true? Yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::*Tried to clarify the source of the information between the two articles. Based on further looking, I don't think there's a difference between the ''domains'' spindizzy.org and spindizzynews.org, just that specific articles may or may not be written in a humourous style.
::*Agree, WikiFur can be a source for things that happen on WikiFur. I found the specific diff that seems to be the source. I'm not sure whether it's a particularly good source, since the account has no other edits.
::*True, proof is difficult and can be a lot to expect. Even a link to a blog or forum post could be enough to let readers evaluate the sources on their own.
::I made some edits based on these points. If there are any mistakes I am happy to correct them. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

::I have some comments on the [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm SpinDizzy News] article cited here. I am the server wizard for SpinDizzy, and held the same post back in 2000 when the events mentioned took place (not hard to check if you want to). I'm not sure if I may use my own knowledge as a reference for Wikifur, but here is my analysis of the factual accuracy of the SpinDizzy News article.
::*The majorty of the statements of fact (as opposed to opinions) in the article are accurate. I did, indeed receive numerous emails from Mozdoc of the form indicated in the first paragraph, over a long period of time following his first and subsequent bans.
::*The second and third paragraphs about his hacking attempt on Argon's account, and his defence, is factually accurate. I was the wizard who searched through the connection logs at the time, and was present when he was confronted with the results.
::*The fourth paragraph is accurate (to the best of my recollection wrt the connection count). Once we noticed the 'Myana' character using an IP address known to have been used by Mozdoc, it quickly became obvious it was being used by the same person, since when the character was blocked and ask to contact a wizard, there resulted another email from Mozdoc full of expletives demanding to know how we knew it was his alt.
::*The list of mucks from which Mozdoc had been banned was purely for comic effect, obviously.
::*The sixth paragraph is factually accurate about the onslaught of e-mails. The rest of the article is a mix of fact and opinion that probably doesn't have any relevence to the Mozdoc page on Wikifur.
::In summary, it would be safe from an accuracy point of view to use the facts detailed above. Whether their use would also be in accord with Wikifur's policies for verifiability, I do not know. Fortunately, there are people in this thread much more well versed in that than I! I hope that this has helped clear up the confusion over the accuracy and satirical content of the SpinDizzy News article. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit to the main page, Rat. I've edited it to remove some redundancy, and removed some ambiguities that were in there. I think it flows better now, but please feel free to change it further if you wish. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== analysis of mozdoc at fc'08 ==

obviously i am putting this here because i do not wish to edit the main page. i feel that anything i say there will be biased in one form or another.
: i had the honour of working with mozdoc during fc'08. though i can not speak officially for aae, i can give you my personal opinion.
: this year, he was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. he did what he could to avoid me, but since he was technically working under me for a while, there was no way he could. even then, until i approached him, he maintained as much distance as he could while still completing his job.
: when i approached him, he did seem uncomfortable, and requested the same things he always does, but he was mostly polite about it. almost as if he was unsure of if it was okay to ask.
: he did spend some time browsing kaceys table. he did not purchase any thing, and when she asked him if she could help him, he only replied a soft and sheepish 'no' and moved on.
: i would like to stress, i am not ready to give him an open book and start over, but i am willing to admit he was an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials so that constore staff could better do their job, he makes an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard, and i am told by friends who work in the art show that he did an excellent job there as well.
: i do not know if my attempt to breech the gap this year will help or hurt yet. though i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well. it is only fair that we try to remain objective and point out that he is capable of behaving himself.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This is getting annoying. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:A non-admin on IRC gave him the impression that he could edit this page to his liking without knowing the background of the case. He should have known better but I'm responsible for not seeing that there was a problem and joining the conversation earlier. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Exclusion redux ==

Its about fucking time you people started to get annoyed about this. You know what could make it all better and make it all go away? HOW ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE FUCKING FACT THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR LITTLE INBRED ASSININE EXCUSE OF A FUCKING COMMUNITY ANYMORE AND ASK THAT I BE GIVEN TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WIKIFUR. I WANT MY ARTICLE REMOVED, EVERY SINGLE MENTION OF MY NAME GONE, AND I WANT TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE.

How much more simple is it to understand? The reason that I continue to be pissed the fuck off at you little pinheaded little shit for brains administrators is that you just blatently refuse to see things my way and that the way I want things to happen will make life a whole lot easier for the rest of you if you just do as I ask and get it over and done with.

I have no fucking idea how my damn name ended up here in this hellish pile of shit called WikiFur, but I will see to it that it will be removed. It shouldn't take every single mother fucking one of you to agree that my article should be removed because it sure as fuck didn't take every single one of you to get my name on here. I demand EXCLUSION.

--Mozdoc 03:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? I'm waiting for someone to get here and fucking talk to me since this place has been brought up again and its pissing me off all over again. Someone answer me and get my fucking name removed from here.

--Mozdoc 03:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, there should be a hundred mother fuckers out there that have decided to watch this page for whatever fucking reason. Why am I not getting any responses at all from anybody? This is complete utter bullshit. Someone better fucking answer so that I can get my name off this "community".

--Mozdoc 04:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Where are all the fucking people? God damn it already, someone fucking answer me and get my god damn name off of this piece of shit website already. I DO NOT want to be documented on any level at all and you will respect this wish to have me be excluded PERMANENTLY.

--Mozdoc 04:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:Admins aren't on the place 24/7. And you'll get further in life if you learn how to say 'please' and 'thank you'. You've trolled me enough that I'm certainly not going to support any of your calls for exclusion, so you can take this up with someone else now and stop badgering me for the exclusion that I'm not going to grant you myself. Talk to GreenReaper, and try to not go the loud and rude route, and maybe you'll get some actual progress as a result. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::He came to me first. The above is the result of what happened when I asked him to explain here why he should now be excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::Just for the record, "I should be excluded because I want to be", in such extreme cases as this, is not an adequate reason for such. Especially with the way this user has handled it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 06:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually S.K., it seems that far too often in this day and age, being nice gets you nowhere. :( That's not to say that it shouldn't be tried, just after the first - or second - time(max) of being polite about it, one should be ready to drop the hammer.

a lot of people only seem to get the point when you slam them into the wall a few times. Being polite about it only gets a rousing "f*** you!" as a response. where the h*** did this country go wrong???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 06:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

When will you people fucking realize that your pathetic piece of shit bans don't do a fucking thing beside piss me off worse than I already was before? You sound like you're the assholes that need to grow the fuck up. I DEMAND RESULTS, I DO NOT WANT TO BE FUCKING BANNED.

--Mozdoc 00:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:Gosh, I just can't imagine how ''anybody'' could ''possibly'' fail to fall all over themselves obeying a capslock-and-profanity-ridden demand -- sorry, "heeding a polite request" -- from such a well-spoken, courteous, level-headed, personable, and all-around respected individual such as Mozdoc! What's that saying -- "insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results"? Sheesh...[[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 12:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been asked to give this a review. I have reviewed the article, and the evidence. I see little problem at this time with provisionally removing the personal name, and if no objection has been raised in a week, I intend to do just that; but I recommend that this article otherwise stay, whole and complete. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:An objection has been raised (see '''Removal of real name?''' above). Tomorrow, I will summarize votes, and on Monday 30 June, after one full week for further comment, I intend to close the vote. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

::Summary has been placed in the appropriate thread. Please see above for further information. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc's love notes via IM ==

I logged into IM tonight and found that Mozdoc had sent offline messages to me on ''two'' different IM services. I am documenting them here.

First, via Yahoo IM:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozcentaur 
8:48:24 PM 
YOU LITTLE PIECE OF MOTHER FUCKING SHIT! 
8:48:35 PM 
ANSWER ME YOU WORTHLESS FAG OF A MOTHER FUCKER. 
8:48:47 PM 
I'M FUCKING TALKING TO YOU YOU DICKHEADED MOTHER FUCKING CUNT. 

mozcentaur 
9:28:38 PM 
Answer me. 
9:31:31 PM</div>

Charming. And via MSN about an hour later, while I was still offline:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozdoc@yahoo.com
10:22:00 PM
ANSWER ME.</div>

I had to slightly massage the formatting on these, because my client (Adium) saves logs in HTML format. If anyone wants the raw logs, I have them up at http://rapidshare.com/files/115226319/mozdoclogs.zip.html

--[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

After several rounds of blocking Mozdoc and having him bother me under different screen names, I was finally treated to this. And yes, he really did type in all caps.

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">moz40 
I DO NOT GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT. 
12:36:46 AM 
ANSWER ME NOW. 
12:37:12 AM 
YOU FUCKING BANNED ME FROM WIKIFUR FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK YOU SACK OF SHIT. WITHOUT ANY REASON. I WANT MY GOD DAMN ARTICLE ON THAT FUCKING WEBSITE TO GO THE FUCK AWAY. UNDERSTAND? 
12:37:24 AM 
I WANT TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THAT FUCKING WIKIFUR SITE IMMEDIATELY. 
12:37:43 AM 
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHIT AND TRY AND HIDE FROM ME BECAUSE I WILL FUCKING FIND YOU. 
12:38:23 AM 
ONE FUCKING COMMENT BITCHING ABOUT HOW YOU'VE BEEN TREATING THIS ISSUE I'M HAVING AND I GET BANNED FOR A WEEK? YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT BANNING ME FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS OR MAKE ME ANY MORE CALMER THAN WHAT I AM NOW? 
12:38:43 AM 
YOU AND YOUR MOTHERFUCKING BANS JUST PISS ME OFF MORE TO WHERE I WANT TO TAKE A FUCKING SHOTGUN TO YOUR HEAD YOU IGNORANT LITTLE PRICKS. 
</div>

Hmm... comments about how he's going to find me, and taking "a fucking shotgun" to my head... I'd say that's a death threat, or pretty close to one. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:: He's been stalking the Fur Affinity staff and admins for the past week, going to anybody and everybody related to the site after he was perma-banned, making the same kind of threats. He used over a dozen IM clients to message and my admins, refusing to accept "no" as an answer and becoming increasingly hostile. --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 10:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: '''See thread:''' http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666

'''DAMNIT MOZDOC, COOL YOUR JETS!!!!! '''
The only thing your tactics will accomplish in this is EXACTLY what I outlined! Now calm the hell dowm before '''I''' get pissed! (And trust me, you are NOTHING compared to what I'M like when I get pissed!)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression? ==

I'm most likely going to recieve threats (From both sides) over this, but I felt it should be posted as proof of what's REALLY going on.

I recieved this by email this afternoon - it seems that my signature line has made me at least one friend in romania. :))

SpazKitty, you might want to pay extra close attention not only to WHAT your leader has said, but HOW they've said it. ;)

* again, removed under copyright violation *
: please do not make this an edit war.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 09:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

: please tell mozdoc that he did a nice editing job. also please may i remind him and everyone else, the contents of all discussions of im's with me are not public domain and are subject to copyright and may not be edited, or reprinted without my permission, as per a header in im's with me that has been conveniently deleted.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, so that's your answer to everything, is it? That Mozdoc did it? I hate to burst your bubble, but unless he suddenly moved to Europe.... he wasn't the one who sent it to me. ;)

Seriously, both of you need to return to your respective corners before '''someone''' grabs your head in one hand, his head in the other, and conks them together.

You are actually just as guilty of keeping this feud going, by your constant additions and reworks and comments - I would STRONGLY suggest you take a vacation... as soon as possible.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::: i would call your attention to the final line, which states the logff. that is indeed the time i logged, temporarily so that i could reboot this machine. in pacific standard time. the logoff shown is indicative of which machine it came from. if it was from an observer, it would also show his habit of blocking then unblocking, which he uses as a technique to say more without allowing the other party to speak. sort of a power thing.
::: what ever happened to your boycott?
::: again i remind you, contents of ims with me are protected under copyright and are not to be posted.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Ayukawataur: Are you indeed corresponding with Mozdoc in IM? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:: off and on i do. i mean i get spammed by him almost daily regarding this. sometimes i actually take the time to answer him, or at least to try and speak with him. or even to try and answer questions he may have.
:: it never occurred to me that anyone would take the time to seriously edit a transcript between myself and him, and then place it up as supposed evidence against me.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I actually changed the times(the only thing changed, I can assure you) - to prevent YOU from trying to track down the person I got it from. And yes, after reading that IM, you do strike me as the type to go all out in doing so - even if it's wrong. I'm sure that by now you've already "Yankee searched" me - looking for information to try to intimidate me with. Of course, if you DO try to intimidate me, it will be the biggest mistake of your life - Trust me, you DON'T want to declare all out war on someone like me ;)

And AYUKA, you DO realize that by removing it the IM, you make yourself look guilty as all hell - right???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Please do not post other people's conversations here. You do not have the right to place such materials under the GFDL, nor is it a fair use of copyrighted material.
:Instead, here is a summary of the major themes of the conversation, which are not subject to copyright:
:* Mozdoc does not like Ayukawataur editing the article about him
:* Mozdoc maintains his initial action in posting Kacey's work to a mailing list without permission was legal; Ayukawataur that it was not, and that the claim that he had permission was particularly objectionable
:* Mozdoc says that Ayukawataur must be male because lesbians cannot marry; Ayukawataur replies that a legal loophole (involving [[Wikipedia:Full Faith and Credit Clause|full faith and credit]]) permitted her to marry Kacey in Nevada, which in turn allowed her to be a citizen and yet have her marriage recognized in Oregon (nullifying it being impossible since it would deny her citizenship, and remove Oregon's authority to do so)
:* Mozdoc insists on being unbanned from Furbid and having his fake accounts removed, Ayukawataur claims that to remove the accounts is not safe under the current database, and that other activities have intervened to delay the move to a new one
:* Ayukawataur has collected much information on Mozdoc, some of which is private correspondence, other collected from public records and investigation of Mozdoc's other activities, online and in real life; Mozdoc demands to see the correspondence with his parents, Ayukawataur refuses to give it to him
:* Throughout the conversation, Mozdoc was uncivil, making several crude sexual remarks and threats of physical violence. Mozdoc ultimately expresses the wish for Ayukawataur and/or Kacey to die, causing the survivor to suffer
:Mozdoc has claimed (as a argument for removal of this article) that he wants nothing to do with furry fandom. His insistence on being unbanned from FurBid suggests otherwise. This is unfortunate, as he has the symptoms of [[Wikipedia:Dissocial personality disorder|dissocial personality disorder]], and as there is no cure, the best thing for all concerned probably ''would'' be for him to have no contact with the fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

GOOD! I FUCKING AGREE! HOW ABOUT GETTING MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING DATABASE AND FUCKING EXCLUDING ME LIKE I'VE FUCKING ASKED REPEATEDLY? BUT NO, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DECIDE TO FUCK WITH ME EVEN MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND FUCKING MORE! MY DEMANDS ARE FUCKING SIMPLE. REMOVE MY GOD DAMN NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING EXCUSE OF A FUCKING DATABASE BEFORE I FUCKING FIND ONE OF YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT AND KILL YOU TO PROVE MY FUCKING POINT THAT I'M SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING MY GOD DAMN NAME REMOVED AND WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR FUCKING GAMES ABOUT KEEPING MY NAME ON HERE BECAUSE IT SERVES AS A FUCKING "WARNING" TO EVERY FUCKING PERSON OUT THERE. I DEMAND THAT MY NAME BE FUCKING REMOVED FROM THIS FUCKING DATABASE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

AND YOU, YOU SACK OF SHIT GREENREAPRER, NEED TO FUCKING UNIGNORE ME FROM AIM SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO TALK TO YOU. YOU THINK THAT HIDING BEHIND A FUCKING IGNORE IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR SORRY MOTHER FUCKING ASS FROM ME? YOU ARE SADLY FUCKING MISTAKEN. THERE IS NOTHING THE FUCK WRONG WITH ME. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT DISSOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER? YOU ARE SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT ITS UNBELIEVABLE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF IS THAT YOU STUPID DICKSUCKING ADMINISTRATORS HERE REFUSE TO SEE THINGS FROM MY FUCKING POINT OF VIEW. REMOVING MY ARTICLE FROM FUCKING WIKIFUR IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NOT CEASE AT UNTIL I GET IT REMOVED AS I'VE REPEATEDLY FUCKING DEMANDED. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO GET MY GOD DAMN NAME ON THIS FUCKING ASS EXCUSE OF A COMMUNITY AND THERE IS EVEN LESS OF A FUCKING REASON TO KEEP MY GOD DAMN NAME HERE. I DEMAND MY EXCLUSION IMMEDIATELY. GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS GOD DAMN FUCKING SITE. THERE IS NO REASON TO KEEP ME HERE AND I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU ASSSHOLES TO KEEP ME HERE AGAINST MY FUCKING WILL. THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO WARN ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT ME FOR ANY FUCKING REASON AT ALL AND JUST KEEPING ME HERE IS GOING TO MAKE ME HUNT YOU FUCKING SACKS OF SHIT DOWN UNTIL I GET WHAT I FUCKING WANT.

GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!
<snip>
GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!

Thanks for your cooperation with my demands.

--Mozdoc 19:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Banned again? ==

Apparently, Mozdoc has been banned again from wikifur... by [[Spirou]], with no notification as to why or any way to find out for himself.

Spirou, would you kindly reply and state the reason for the ban? I would have posted this on your talk page, but it seems that you have disabled the adding of comments on it.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:Uh... Read above? --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:From the block log: <tt>00:23, 2 June 2008 Spirou (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Mozdoc (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked) ‎''(Intimidating behaviour/harassment: Take a break)''</tt>
:Spirou's comment was in reference to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Higgs_Raccoon&curid=17916&diff=198347&oldid=197307&rcid=206633 this statement], which was posted in reply to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&curid=40700&diff=198304&oldid=198295 this edit], which reduced about 14kB of one line repeated, down to its starting and ending lines, as can currently be seen above on this page. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear explaination Siege.

And Brushwell, the last I checked you were not an administrator here, or even a Junior Admin, so you would not have been able to positively answer the question. With that said, go back to dreaming up alternate histories for your character and shut the hell up.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 02:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: Uh... Brushwell does not need to be an admin to look through user histories and answer a question.
: Also, [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|personal attacks do not belong here]]. Please do not make them. Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::The block log is public. You could've answered your own question. And if you respond to answers with such comments, you may well find that eventually nobody will answer ::your questions. --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-24T08:15:10Z

Siege: /* Exclusion redux */ See above

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Mozdoc, I doubt you'll ever read this... but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I have yet to see anything that shows WHY you went off on a hell-raising spree, at least nothing definative. Granted, ayukawataur in particular tends to be an a** - but a relatively minor one compared to all the other crap going on both online & off.

You've built up quite a notorious reputation so far. Now that you have, you can make a choice - to continue using that rep as you have been, or to change focus and use it to try and change how things have become in the world. I know from experience what such a reputation can accomplish. Lol, the very upper class "snobs" in my area who used to delight in pushing people around and throwing their weight around now tend to, as the saying goes, "walk on eggshells" and think twice about acting like a**holes towards others, simply because they are AFRAID of how I might come down on them. Hell, even the police who would look the other way at their antics & law breaking are hesitant to cross paths with or run afoul of me.

In spite of the way it sounds, I don't want you to think I'm bragging - it's a hard road & a hard life. But with all the crap I've seen I just couldn't stand by and let it go on, I had to do something about the unequal treatment.

With that said.....

Will ye join me? or will ye stand against me?

[[Special:Contributions/75.7.254.145|75.7.254.145]] 02:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I don't mind the removal of Mozdoc's given name, under the provision already suggested by Greenreaper. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I vote in favor of removing his real name. Give the poor dude a break. He might be a fuckup, sure, but Wikifur is not a government agency or a public service, it's a privately run fandom resource that in my opinion is exercising authority it does not have by taking it upon itself to try to police the actions of individuals. [[Special:Contributions/24.6.68.79|24.6.68.79]] 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops! That was me. [[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::I also vote in favor of removing his real name. In all situations online a real name is far less useful than a list of bannable IP addresses, which has obviously been included, along with his known monikers. The only benefit I can see in leaving this guy's name publicly available is that some sort of revenge might be meted out by allowing his Furry-based exploits to threaten his real-world associations. (i.e. -- airing dirty laundry for a potential employer to find should he google-search the player's name), and I would certainly hope the administrators of Wikifur would not condone the use of the Wiki for that purpose. Since it's clear the player in question wants his named removed, I don't think it does any credit to the Furry fandom, the WikiFur community, or anyone here that that particular request is denied. He could have asked more nicely, granted, but his mode of asking doesn't make the request itself less reasonable or its granting less right. [[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 12:35, 17 June, 2008 (CST)

::::::[[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]], discussion about the permanent removal of the user's real name is still ongoing on this talk page at the present time. No final decision has been made, hence the revert on the article until some kind of consensus is reached. My opinion on the mater?,... I'm taking a neutral position on this one (not worth the headache.) Will go with the Admin majority's final decision [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 06:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Is there some kind of timeframe in place for this decision? The discussion here seems to be largely neutral or in favor of removing the name. Also, I question the wisdom that lays this man's real name vulnerable during the deciding. It seems to me that it would make more sense to remove it until a decision has been made, given that its presence here does have real-world implications. [[User:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 1:30, 17 June 2008, (CST)

:::::::: i am going to cast my vote here, which is for the continued placement of his name on the page.
:::::::: first, it is his name, there is no doubt about it.
:::::::: second, he continues his harassment against not only myself, but others. including, but not limited to death threats, which happens to be a federal crime.
:::::::: individuals who are victims of his harassment may find information which may help them in stopping him from placing them in a constant state of fear for their own safety here.
:::::::: now i am all for forgiveness and giving people breaks. but, i also believe they need to illustrate that they have actually made a change in their behavior to warrant such. he has yet to really make any change.
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC) [tired and not really wanting to type any more]

You know, this would be so much easier if you would just shut up and get the hell lost and exit this "fandom". How about that? This article is about me and every time I try to correct something or get something changed that would make continuing my existence in this world much easier, guess who has to show the hell up and fuck with things again? That's right, YOU. How about we all vote to just simply ignore Noriko/Ayukawataur's suggestions and move forward with the removal of my real name? I have ZERO desire to be listed here on WikiFur and if so far its only the outcry of ONE person against many, then tough shit. Move ahead with my name removal so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed and move on. Shut up for once Noriko.

--Mozdoc

::''so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed''
::No. Too many voices object on that point. Never going to happen. I am not opposed to the removal of your given name from this article, but there are objections and changes of position involved. Tomorrow, I will summarize the votes as stated, including dates and Admin status. Since there ''has'' been an objection raised in the past six days, I'm going to give this another week (to Mon 30 June) for people to comment and acknowledge old votes. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:203.81.29.204|203.81.29.204]] ([[User talk:203.81.29.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.81.29.204|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:The above message was posted through a proxy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

== Problems with referencing ==

* Some things are cited to spindizzynews.org which has been admitted to be tounge-in-cheek style.[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=135692&oldid=135690] My understanding is that spindizzy.org is okay as a reference, but spindizzynews.org is not.
* One reference is cited to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc but the link doesn't go anywhere. Putting aside whether we should use WikiFur itself as a reference, the link should be to a specific diff.
* Not a good reference "It is generally believed that these allegations are true." By who?
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:*Agree, though it might be worth keeping it around as an example of the reaction.
:*We should use WikiFur as a reference for actions taken on WikiFur.
:*By me, if you want a specific example. By others, too. Can it be proved? Not officially without AAE saying so, and they've said explicitly that they won't. Is it, in all likelihood, true? Yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::*Tried to clarify the source of the information between the two articles. Based on further looking, I don't think there's a difference between the ''domains'' spindizzy.org and spindizzynews.org, just that specific articles may or may not be written in a humourous style.
::*Agree, WikiFur can be a source for things that happen on WikiFur. I found the specific diff that seems to be the source. I'm not sure whether it's a particularly good source, since the account has no other edits.
::*True, proof is difficult and can be a lot to expect. Even a link to a blog or forum post could be enough to let readers evaluate the sources on their own.
::I made some edits based on these points. If there are any mistakes I am happy to correct them. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

::I have some comments on the [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm SpinDizzy News] article cited here. I am the server wizard for SpinDizzy, and held the same post back in 2000 when the events mentioned took place (not hard to check if you want to). I'm not sure if I may use my own knowledge as a reference for Wikifur, but here is my analysis of the factual accuracy of the SpinDizzy News article.
::*The majorty of the statements of fact (as opposed to opinions) in the article are accurate. I did, indeed receive numerous emails from Mozdoc of the form indicated in the first paragraph, over a long period of time following his first and subsequent bans.
::*The second and third paragraphs about his hacking attempt on Argon's account, and his defence, is factually accurate. I was the wizard who searched through the connection logs at the time, and was present when he was confronted with the results.
::*The fourth paragraph is accurate (to the best of my recollection wrt the connection count). Once we noticed the 'Myana' character using an IP address known to have been used by Mozdoc, it quickly became obvious it was being used by the same person, since when the character was blocked and ask to contact a wizard, there resulted another email from Mozdoc full of expletives demanding to know how we knew it was his alt.
::*The list of mucks from which Mozdoc had been banned was purely for comic effect, obviously.
::*The sixth paragraph is factually accurate about the onslaught of e-mails. The rest of the article is a mix of fact and opinion that probably doesn't have any relevence to the Mozdoc page on Wikifur.
::In summary, it would be safe from an accuracy point of view to use the facts detailed above. Whether their use would also be in accord with Wikifur's policies for verifiability, I do not know. Fortunately, there are people in this thread much more well versed in that than I! I hope that this has helped clear up the confusion over the accuracy and satirical content of the SpinDizzy News article. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit to the main page, Rat. I've edited it to remove some redundancy, and removed some ambiguities that were in there. I think it flows better now, but please feel free to change it further if you wish. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== analysis of mozdoc at fc'08 ==

obviously i am putting this here because i do not wish to edit the main page. i feel that anything i say there will be biased in one form or another.
: i had the honour of working with mozdoc during fc'08. though i can not speak officially for aae, i can give you my personal opinion.
: this year, he was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. he did what he could to avoid me, but since he was technically working under me for a while, there was no way he could. even then, until i approached him, he maintained as much distance as he could while still completing his job.
: when i approached him, he did seem uncomfortable, and requested the same things he always does, but he was mostly polite about it. almost as if he was unsure of if it was okay to ask.
: he did spend some time browsing kaceys table. he did not purchase any thing, and when she asked him if she could help him, he only replied a soft and sheepish 'no' and moved on.
: i would like to stress, i am not ready to give him an open book and start over, but i am willing to admit he was an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials so that constore staff could better do their job, he makes an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard, and i am told by friends who work in the art show that he did an excellent job there as well.
: i do not know if my attempt to breech the gap this year will help or hurt yet. though i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well. it is only fair that we try to remain objective and point out that he is capable of behaving himself.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This is getting annoying. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:A non-admin on IRC gave him the impression that he could edit this page to his liking without knowing the background of the case. He should have known better but I'm responsible for not seeing that there was a problem and joining the conversation earlier. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Exclusion redux ==

Its about fucking time you people started to get annoyed about this. You know what could make it all better and make it all go away? HOW ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE FUCKING FACT THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR LITTLE INBRED ASSININE EXCUSE OF A FUCKING COMMUNITY ANYMORE AND ASK THAT I BE GIVEN TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WIKIFUR. I WANT MY ARTICLE REMOVED, EVERY SINGLE MENTION OF MY NAME GONE, AND I WANT TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE.

How much more simple is it to understand? The reason that I continue to be pissed the fuck off at you little pinheaded little shit for brains administrators is that you just blatently refuse to see things my way and that the way I want things to happen will make life a whole lot easier for the rest of you if you just do as I ask and get it over and done with.

I have no fucking idea how my damn name ended up here in this hellish pile of shit called WikiFur, but I will see to it that it will be removed. It shouldn't take every single mother fucking one of you to agree that my article should be removed because it sure as fuck didn't take every single one of you to get my name on here. I demand EXCLUSION.

--Mozdoc 03:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? I'm waiting for someone to get here and fucking talk to me since this place has been brought up again and its pissing me off all over again. Someone answer me and get my fucking name removed from here.

--Mozdoc 03:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

You know, there should be a hundred mother fuckers out there that have decided to watch this page for whatever fucking reason. Why am I not getting any responses at all from anybody? This is complete utter bullshit. Someone better fucking answer so that I can get my name off this "community".

--Mozdoc 04:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Where are all the fucking people? God damn it already, someone fucking answer me and get my god damn name off of this piece of shit website already. I DO NOT want to be documented on any level at all and you will respect this wish to have me be excluded PERMANENTLY.

--Mozdoc 04:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:Admins aren't on the place 24/7. And you'll get further in life if you learn how to say 'please' and 'thank you'. You've trolled me enough that I'm certainly not going to support any of your calls for exclusion, so you can take this up with someone else now and stop badgering me for the exclusion that I'm not going to grant you myself. Talk to GreenReaper, and try to not go the loud and rude route, and maybe you'll get some actual progress as a result. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::He came to me first. The above is the result of what happened when I asked him to explain here why he should now be excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::Just for the record, "I should be excluded because I want to be", in such extreme cases as this, is not an adequate reason for such. Especially with the way this user has handled it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 06:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually S.K., it seems that far too often in this day and age, being nice gets you nowhere. :( That's not to say that it shouldn't be tried, just after the first - or second - time(max) of being polite about it, one should be ready to drop the hammer.

a lot of people only seem to get the point when you slam them into the wall a few times. Being polite about it only gets a rousing "f*** you!" as a response. where the h*** did this country go wrong???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 06:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

When will you people fucking realize that your pathetic piece of shit bans don't do a fucking thing beside piss me off worse than I already was before? You sound like you're the assholes that need to grow the fuck up. I DEMAND RESULTS, I DO NOT WANT TO BE FUCKING BANNED.

--Mozdoc 00:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:Gosh, I just can't imagine how ''anybody'' could ''possibly'' fail to fall all over themselves obeying a capslock-and-profanity-ridden demand -- sorry, "heeding a polite request" -- from such a well-spoken, courteous, level-headed, personable, and all-around respected individual such as Mozdoc! What's that saying -- "insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results"? Sheesh...[[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 12:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been asked to give this a review. I have reviewed the article, and the evidence. I see little problem at this time with provisionally removing the personal name, and if no objection has been raised in a week, I intend to do just that; but I recommend that this article otherwise stay, whole and complete. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:An objection has been raised (see '''Removal of real name?''' above). Tomorrow, I will summarize votes, and on Monday 30 June, after one full week for further comment, I intend to close the vote. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

::Summary has been placed in the appropriate thread. Please see above for further information. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc's love notes via IM ==

I logged into IM tonight and found that Mozdoc had sent offline messages to me on ''two'' different IM services. I am documenting them here.

First, via Yahoo IM:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozcentaur 
8:48:24 PM 
YOU LITTLE PIECE OF MOTHER FUCKING SHIT! 
8:48:35 PM 
ANSWER ME YOU WORTHLESS FAG OF A MOTHER FUCKER. 
8:48:47 PM 
I'M FUCKING TALKING TO YOU YOU DICKHEADED MOTHER FUCKING CUNT. 

mozcentaur 
9:28:38 PM 
Answer me. 
9:31:31 PM</div>

Charming. And via MSN about an hour later, while I was still offline:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozdoc@yahoo.com
10:22:00 PM
ANSWER ME.</div>

I had to slightly massage the formatting on these, because my client (Adium) saves logs in HTML format. If anyone wants the raw logs, I have them up at http://rapidshare.com/files/115226319/mozdoclogs.zip.html

--[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

After several rounds of blocking Mozdoc and having him bother me under different screen names, I was finally treated to this. And yes, he really did type in all caps.

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">moz40 
I DO NOT GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT. 
12:36:46 AM 
ANSWER ME NOW. 
12:37:12 AM 
YOU FUCKING BANNED ME FROM WIKIFUR FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK YOU SACK OF SHIT. WITHOUT ANY REASON. I WANT MY GOD DAMN ARTICLE ON THAT FUCKING WEBSITE TO GO THE FUCK AWAY. UNDERSTAND? 
12:37:24 AM 
I WANT TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THAT FUCKING WIKIFUR SITE IMMEDIATELY. 
12:37:43 AM 
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHIT AND TRY AND HIDE FROM ME BECAUSE I WILL FUCKING FIND YOU. 
12:38:23 AM 
ONE FUCKING COMMENT BITCHING ABOUT HOW YOU'VE BEEN TREATING THIS ISSUE I'M HAVING AND I GET BANNED FOR A WEEK? YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT BANNING ME FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS OR MAKE ME ANY MORE CALMER THAN WHAT I AM NOW? 
12:38:43 AM 
YOU AND YOUR MOTHERFUCKING BANS JUST PISS ME OFF MORE TO WHERE I WANT TO TAKE A FUCKING SHOTGUN TO YOUR HEAD YOU IGNORANT LITTLE PRICKS. 
</div>

Hmm... comments about how he's going to find me, and taking "a fucking shotgun" to my head... I'd say that's a death threat, or pretty close to one. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:: He's been stalking the Fur Affinity staff and admins for the past week, going to anybody and everybody related to the site after he was perma-banned, making the same kind of threats. He used over a dozen IM clients to message and my admins, refusing to accept "no" as an answer and becoming increasingly hostile. --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 10:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: '''See thread:''' http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666

'''DAMNIT MOZDOC, COOL YOUR JETS!!!!! '''
The only thing your tactics will accomplish in this is EXACTLY what I outlined! Now calm the hell dowm before '''I''' get pissed! (And trust me, you are NOTHING compared to what I'M like when I get pissed!)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression? ==

I'm most likely going to recieve threats (From both sides) over this, but I felt it should be posted as proof of what's REALLY going on.

I recieved this by email this afternoon - it seems that my signature line has made me at least one friend in romania. :))

SpazKitty, you might want to pay extra close attention not only to WHAT your leader has said, but HOW they've said it. ;)

* again, removed under copyright violation *
: please do not make this an edit war.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 09:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

: please tell mozdoc that he did a nice editing job. also please may i remind him and everyone else, the contents of all discussions of im's with me are not public domain and are subject to copyright and may not be edited, or reprinted without my permission, as per a header in im's with me that has been conveniently deleted.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, so that's your answer to everything, is it? That Mozdoc did it? I hate to burst your bubble, but unless he suddenly moved to Europe.... he wasn't the one who sent it to me. ;)

Seriously, both of you need to return to your respective corners before '''someone''' grabs your head in one hand, his head in the other, and conks them together.

You are actually just as guilty of keeping this feud going, by your constant additions and reworks and comments - I would STRONGLY suggest you take a vacation... as soon as possible.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::: i would call your attention to the final line, which states the logff. that is indeed the time i logged, temporarily so that i could reboot this machine. in pacific standard time. the logoff shown is indicative of which machine it came from. if it was from an observer, it would also show his habit of blocking then unblocking, which he uses as a technique to say more without allowing the other party to speak. sort of a power thing.
::: what ever happened to your boycott?
::: again i remind you, contents of ims with me are protected under copyright and are not to be posted.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Ayukawataur: Are you indeed corresponding with Mozdoc in IM? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:: off and on i do. i mean i get spammed by him almost daily regarding this. sometimes i actually take the time to answer him, or at least to try and speak with him. or even to try and answer questions he may have.
:: it never occurred to me that anyone would take the time to seriously edit a transcript between myself and him, and then place it up as supposed evidence against me.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I actually changed the times(the only thing changed, I can assure you) - to prevent YOU from trying to track down the person I got it from. And yes, after reading that IM, you do strike me as the type to go all out in doing so - even if it's wrong. I'm sure that by now you've already "Yankee searched" me - looking for information to try to intimidate me with. Of course, if you DO try to intimidate me, it will be the biggest mistake of your life - Trust me, you DON'T want to declare all out war on someone like me ;)

And AYUKA, you DO realize that by removing it the IM, you make yourself look guilty as all hell - right???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Please do not post other people's conversations here. You do not have the right to place such materials under the GFDL, nor is it a fair use of copyrighted material.
:Instead, here is a summary of the major themes of the conversation, which are not subject to copyright:
:* Mozdoc does not like Ayukawataur editing the article about him
:* Mozdoc maintains his initial action in posting Kacey's work to a mailing list without permission was legal; Ayukawataur that it was not, and that the claim that he had permission was particularly objectionable
:* Mozdoc says that Ayukawataur must be male because lesbians cannot marry; Ayukawataur replies that a legal loophole (involving [[Wikipedia:Full Faith and Credit Clause|full faith and credit]]) permitted her to marry Kacey in Nevada, which in turn allowed her to be a citizen and yet have her marriage recognized in Oregon (nullifying it being impossible since it would deny her citizenship, and remove Oregon's authority to do so)
:* Mozdoc insists on being unbanned from Furbid and having his fake accounts removed, Ayukawataur claims that to remove the accounts is not safe under the current database, and that other activities have intervened to delay the move to a new one
:* Ayukawataur has collected much information on Mozdoc, some of which is private correspondence, other collected from public records and investigation of Mozdoc's other activities, online and in real life; Mozdoc demands to see the correspondence with his parents, Ayukawataur refuses to give it to him
:* Throughout the conversation, Mozdoc was uncivil, making several crude sexual remarks and threats of physical violence. Mozdoc ultimately expresses the wish for Ayukawataur and/or Kacey to die, causing the survivor to suffer
:Mozdoc has claimed (as a argument for removal of this article) that he wants nothing to do with furry fandom. His insistence on being unbanned from FurBid suggests otherwise. This is unfortunate, as he has the symptoms of [[Wikipedia:Dissocial personality disorder|dissocial personality disorder]], and as there is no cure, the best thing for all concerned probably ''would'' be for him to have no contact with the fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

GOOD! I FUCKING AGREE! HOW ABOUT GETTING MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING DATABASE AND FUCKING EXCLUDING ME LIKE I'VE FUCKING ASKED REPEATEDLY? BUT NO, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DECIDE TO FUCK WITH ME EVEN MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND FUCKING MORE! MY DEMANDS ARE FUCKING SIMPLE. REMOVE MY GOD DAMN NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING EXCUSE OF A FUCKING DATABASE BEFORE I FUCKING FIND ONE OF YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT AND KILL YOU TO PROVE MY FUCKING POINT THAT I'M SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING MY GOD DAMN NAME REMOVED AND WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR FUCKING GAMES ABOUT KEEPING MY NAME ON HERE BECAUSE IT SERVES AS A FUCKING "WARNING" TO EVERY FUCKING PERSON OUT THERE. I DEMAND THAT MY NAME BE FUCKING REMOVED FROM THIS FUCKING DATABASE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

AND YOU, YOU SACK OF SHIT GREENREAPRER, NEED TO FUCKING UNIGNORE ME FROM AIM SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO TALK TO YOU. YOU THINK THAT HIDING BEHIND A FUCKING IGNORE IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR SORRY MOTHER FUCKING ASS FROM ME? YOU ARE SADLY FUCKING MISTAKEN. THERE IS NOTHING THE FUCK WRONG WITH ME. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT DISSOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER? YOU ARE SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT ITS UNBELIEVABLE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF IS THAT YOU STUPID DICKSUCKING ADMINISTRATORS HERE REFUSE TO SEE THINGS FROM MY FUCKING POINT OF VIEW. REMOVING MY ARTICLE FROM FUCKING WIKIFUR IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NOT CEASE AT UNTIL I GET IT REMOVED AS I'VE REPEATEDLY FUCKING DEMANDED. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO GET MY GOD DAMN NAME ON THIS FUCKING ASS EXCUSE OF A COMMUNITY AND THERE IS EVEN LESS OF A FUCKING REASON TO KEEP MY GOD DAMN NAME HERE. I DEMAND MY EXCLUSION IMMEDIATELY. GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS GOD DAMN FUCKING SITE. THERE IS NO REASON TO KEEP ME HERE AND I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU ASSSHOLES TO KEEP ME HERE AGAINST MY FUCKING WILL. THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO WARN ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT ME FOR ANY FUCKING REASON AT ALL AND JUST KEEPING ME HERE IS GOING TO MAKE ME HUNT YOU FUCKING SACKS OF SHIT DOWN UNTIL I GET WHAT I FUCKING WANT.

GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!
<snip>
GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!

Thanks for your cooperation with my demands.

--Mozdoc 19:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Banned again? ==

Apparently, Mozdoc has been banned again from wikifur... by [[Spirou]], with no notification as to why or any way to find out for himself.

Spirou, would you kindly reply and state the reason for the ban? I would have posted this on your talk page, but it seems that you have disabled the adding of comments on it.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:Uh... Read above? --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:From the block log: <tt>00:23, 2 June 2008 Spirou (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Mozdoc (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked) ‎''(Intimidating behaviour/harassment: Take a break)''</tt>
:Spirou's comment was in reference to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Higgs_Raccoon&curid=17916&diff=198347&oldid=197307&rcid=206633 this statement], which was posted in reply to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&curid=40700&diff=198304&oldid=198295 this edit], which reduced about 14kB of one line repeated, down to its starting and ending lines, as can currently be seen above on this page. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear explaination Siege.

And Brushwell, the last I checked you were not an administrator here, or even a Junior Admin, so you would not have been able to positively answer the question. With that said, go back to dreaming up alternate histories for your character and shut the hell up.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 02:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: Uh... Brushwell does not need to be an admin to look through user histories and answer a question.
: Also, [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|personal attacks do not belong here]]. Please do not make them. Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::The block log is public. You could've answered your own question. And if you respond to answers with such comments, you may well find that eventually nobody will answer ::your questions. --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:4chan.eu

2008-06-24T04:24:51Z

Siege: Really. What else by that reasoning has no relevance to its surrounding context?

Site was up for 3 months from ~oct 2006 to around january 2007, the furry boards in question were a minimal part of the site and had '''zero to none''' posts. It should be deleted because it is like adding any random site that happends to have a category for furry related things.

:You mean like people do anyway? We don't use Wikipedia's standards for notability. Is it causing problems with someone finding work? Has it become a rallying cry for 4chan furries? If you are just so damned embarrassed that we acknowledge 4chan.eu, then why don't you come out and SAY SO? Why exactly are you (whoever you are) continuously lobbying for this article's removal? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

::I am the owner of the site, i don't see how it should've had an article in the first place, it's not about notability, more like relevance to the subject of this site. It's not relevant and thus it should be deleted.

:::Unlike the main [[4chan]] site, 4chan.eu specifically included furry boards. That's relevant enough, I would think, regardless of how little traffic occurred (I suspect it would have grown if the site had remained active for more than a few months). However, I would not object to the article being merged with [[4chan]]. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

::::The site isn't related to 4chan other than the url. Also stop removing my tags. The article should be deleted because it's not relevant, how is having empty boards on a dead site anywhere near relevant?

:::::Why [[Wikipedia:remember the Alamo|remember the Alamo]]? They lost! Who cares what [[Wikipedia:Napster|Napster]] used to be? It's RIAA now! Who gives a shit about [[Wikipedia:Wendy O. Williams|Wendy O. Williams]]? She killed herself! Is [[Wikipedia:Betamax|Betamax]] worth remembering? It was kicked to the curb! The [[Adam's Mark]] is entirely gone after just a few years, why remember it? [[ConFurence East]] only held three gatherings, no point keeping that page around!

:::::More seriously, I think that your reasoning doesn't really hold water. How is it not relevant that the site had furry boards, regardless of how little they were used? It doesn't matter that the site is dead; we're not resurrecting it, just remembering it. It seems to me that you want even the memories of 4chan.eu to die, as if it was some sort of scar on your soul. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 04:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Siege a Ferios

2008-06-23T14:19:04Z

Siege: /* See also */ +detail

'''Siege Voxus''' (typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[role-playing game]] monsters throughout most of his prior life.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, which functions parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== See also ==
* [[Cioe B]] - a story on LiveJournal, authored by Siege (on permanent hiatus)
* [[Siege's Snippets]] - a podcast, produced and hosted by Siege

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}

* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]

[[Category:People]] [[Category:1975 births]] [[Category:Writers]] [[Category:Podcasters]]
[[Category:Otherkin]] [[Category:Dragon characters]]
[[Category:Morphicon staff]]
[[Category:Ohio]] [[Category:Indiana]]

Siege a Ferios

2008-06-23T14:18:21Z

Siege: /* Notable facts */ phrasing

'''Siege Voxus''' (typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[role-playing game]] monsters throughout most of his prior life.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, which functions parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== See also ==
* [[Cioe B]] - a story on LiveJournal, authored by Siege (on permanent hiatus)
* [[Siege's Snippets]] - a podcast, hosted by Siege

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}

* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]

[[Category:People]] [[Category:1975 births]] [[Category:Writers]] [[Category:Podcasters]]
[[Category:Otherkin]] [[Category:Dragon characters]]
[[Category:Morphicon staff]]
[[Category:Ohio]] [[Category:Indiana]]

Siege a Ferios

2008-06-23T14:17:39Z

Siege: /* External links */ +cat

'''Siege Voxus''' (typically known as just '''Siege''') has been a member of [[furrydom]] since 1994. He describes finding [[fandom|'the fandom']] as having been a "homecoming experience", seeing as he'd been making up various [[furry]] [[character]]s and playable [[role-playing game]] monsters throughout most of his prior life.

[[Image:Draco ferios - LJ.png|thumb|right|Siege as dragon, by [[P_Moss]]]] Siege's [[phenotype]] has changed often, but when in character he's primarily [[canine|canid]], [[dragon|draconic]], or [[mouse|musculine]], with an occasional shift to other species. Out of character, he considers himself to have had an "[[Otherkin]] experience" some years ago.

Siege lived in or close to Ohio from 1995 to 2008; at the end of January 2008, he moved to central Indiana. He can be found as Siege on [[FurryMUCK]] and [[LiveJournal]]. He has also been a member of the [[Furry Writers of Ohio]], though his current location precludes attendance at their meetings.

== Notable facts ==
* Siege has been a [[helpstaff]]er on FurryMUCK since the late '90s.
* He moderates the LiveJournal community {{lj-comm|ohiofurs}}, functioning parallel to the [[OhioFur|OhioFur Mailing List]].
* He served on [[Morphicon]]'s staff in 2005 as Director of Gaming.
* In February 2006, Siege was added to the list of [[WikiFur]]'s [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrators]].
* In May 2008, he finally began work on a website for his [[:Category:Podcasts|podcasting]] ambitions, which came to fruition in June.

== See also ==
* [[Cioe B]] - a story on LiveJournal, authored by Siege (on permanent hiatus)
* [[Siege's Snippets]] - a podcast, hosted by Siege

== External links ==
{{Contributor|Siege}}

* [http://siege.livejournal.com/ Siege's personal LiveJournal]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/ohiofurs/profile Ohiofurs community profile]

[[Category:People]] [[Category:1975 births]] [[Category:Writers]] [[Category:Podcasters]]
[[Category:Otherkin]] [[Category:Dragon characters]]
[[Category:Morphicon staff]]
[[Category:Ohio]] [[Category:Indiana]]

His Dark Materials

2008-06-22T18:48:22Z

Siege: /* Premise */ minor fixes

[[Image:TheGoldenCompassCover.jpg|right|thumb|160px|''Northern Lights'' printed as ''The Golden Compass'' for North American readers.]]
[[Image:The Golden Compass.jpg|right|thumb|160px|Movie poster for ''The Golden Compass''.]]
'''''His Dark Materials''''' is a trilogy by British writer [[Wikipedia:Philip Pullman|Philip Pullman]], including the books '''''Northern Lights''''' (retitled '''''The Golden Compass''''' in North America), '''''The Subtle Knife''''', and '''''The Amber Spyglass'''''.

== Premise ==

The plot involves an object called an [[wikipedia:alethiometer|alethiometer]] (an object that can read the future), and its resemblance to a compass led North American publishers Random House to retitle the first book '''''The Golden Compass''''' for its release in Canada and the United States.

The paperback edition in the United States was published by Ballantine Books/Del Rey, divisions of Random House. The 1997 Box set edition from Del Rey contains an introduction by Terry Brooks.

==== Dæmon ====

All of the [[humans]] in the story have a [[Wikipedia:Dæmon (His Dark Materials)|Dæmon]], a sort of animal companion that represents part of their soul. Injuring a Dæmon will cause pain in its human.

There is a deep seated taboo against touching or injuring another person's Dæmon, though Dæmon may fight each other. Childrens' Dæmons may change shape freely, while adults' daemons have a fixed form. Dæmons generally have powers similar to their form but may use human speech.

==== Pansernjorne ====

The other major point of [[furry]] interest is the '''Pansernjorne''', or armored [[bear|bears]]. This is a race of polar bears with opposable thumbs, which allow them to work metal.

They are greatly feared in combat, and while they can talk, their behavior is more like bears than humans. The difference between bear and human behavior is a major plot point.

== Movie ==

A screen adaptation of the book, [[Wikipedia:The Golden Compass (film)|The Golden Compass]], was filmed and released by [[Wikipedia:New Line Cinema|New Line Cinema]] in late 2007.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Northern Lights (novel)|Northern Lights]] on [[Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:The Subtle Knife|The Subtle Knife]] on Wikipedia
* [[Wikipedia:The Amber Spyglass|The Amber Spyglass]] on Wikipedia

==External links==

* [http://www.amazon.com/product/0590660543 ''Northern Lights''] on Amazon.com
* [http://www.amazon.com/product/0440418321 ''The Golden Compass''] on Amazon.com
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385752/ ''His Dark Materials: The Golden Compass''] at the IMDB

[[Category:Story series]]
[[Category:Movies]]

Talk:4chan.eu

2008-06-22T18:40:24Z

Siege: +sig

Talk:4chan.eu

2008-06-22T18:39:56Z

Siege: How about a merger, instead of a removal?

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-06-22T18:08:55Z

Siege: /* Exclusion redux */ Votes to be summarized tomorrow. One more week for further comment and voting.

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Mozdoc, I doubt you'll ever read this... but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I have yet to see anything that shows WHY you went off on a hell-raising spree, at least nothing definative. Granted, ayukawataur in particular tends to be an a** - but a relatively minor one compared to all the other crap going on both online & off.

You've built up quite a notorious reputation so far. Now that you have, you can make a choice - to continue using that rep as you have been, or to change focus and use it to try and change how things have become in the world. I know from experience what such a reputation can accomplish. Lol, the very upper class "snobs" in my area who used to delight in pushing people around and throwing their weight around now tend to, as the saying goes, "walk on eggshells" and think twice about acting like a**holes towards others, simply because they are AFRAID of how I might come down on them. Hell, even the police who would look the other way at their antics & law breaking are hesitant to cross paths with or run afoul of me.

In spite of the way it sounds, I don't want you to think I'm bragging - it's a hard road & a hard life. But with all the crap I've seen I just couldn't stand by and let it go on, I had to do something about the unequal treatment.

With that said.....

Will ye join me? or will ye stand against me?

[[Special:Contributions/75.7.254.145|75.7.254.145]] 02:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I don't mind the removal of Mozdoc's given name, under the provision already suggested by Greenreaper. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I vote in favor of removing his real name. Give the poor dude a break. He might be a fuckup, sure, but Wikifur is not a government agency or a public service, it's a privately run fandom resource that in my opinion is exercising authority it does not have by taking it upon itself to try to police the actions of individuals. [[Special:Contributions/24.6.68.79|24.6.68.79]] 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops! That was me. [[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::I also vote in favor of removing his real name. In all situations online a real name is far less useful than a list of bannable IP addresses, which has obviously been included, along with his known monikers. The only benefit I can see in leaving this guy's name publicly available is that some sort of revenge might be meted out by allowing his Furry-based exploits to threaten his real-world associations. (i.e. -- airing dirty laundry for a potential employer to find should he google-search the player's name), and I would certainly hope the administrators of Wikifur would not condone the use of the Wiki for that purpose. Since it's clear the player in question wants his named removed, I don't think it does any credit to the Furry fandom, the WikiFur community, or anyone here that that particular request is denied. He could have asked more nicely, granted, but his mode of asking doesn't make the request itself less reasonable or its granting less right. [[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 12:35, 17 June, 2008 (CST)

::::::[[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]], discussion about the permanent removal of the user's real name is still ongoing on this talk page at the present time. No final decision has been made, hence the revert on the article until some kind of consensus is reached. My opinion on the mater?,... I'm taking a neutral position on this one (not worth the headache.) Will go with the Admin majority's final decision [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 06:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Is there some kind of timeframe in place for this decision? The discussion here seems to be largely neutral or in favor of removing the name. Also, I question the wisdom that lays this man's real name vulnerable during the deciding. It seems to me that it would make more sense to remove it until a decision has been made, given that its presence here does have real-world implications. [[User:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 1:30, 17 June 2008, (CST)

:::::::: i am going to cast my vote here, which is for the continued placement of his name on the page.
:::::::: first, it is his name, there is no doubt about it.
:::::::: second, he continues his harassment against not only myself, but others. including, but not limited to death threats, which happens to be a federal crime.
:::::::: individuals who are victims of his harassment may find information which may help them in stopping him from placing them in a constant state of fear for their own safety here.
:::::::: now i am all for forgiveness and giving people breaks. but, i also believe they need to illustrate that they have actually made a change in their behavior to warrant such. he has yet to really make any change.
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC) [tired and not really wanting to type any more]

You know, this would be so much easier if you would just shut up and get the hell lost and exit this "fandom". How about that? This article is about me and every time I try to correct something or get something changed that would make continuing my existence in this world much easier, guess who has to show the hell up and fuck with things again? That's right, YOU. How about we all vote to just simply ignore Noriko/Ayukawataur's suggestions and move forward with the removal of my real name? I have ZERO desire to be listed here on WikiFur and if so far its only the outcry of ONE person against many, then tough shit. Move ahead with my name removal so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed and move on. Shut up for once Noriko.

--Mozdoc

::''so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed''
::No. Too many voices object on that point. Never going to happen. I am not opposed to the removal of your given name from this article, but there are objections and changes of position involved. Tomorrow, I will summarize the votes as stated, including dates and Admin status. Since there ''has'' been an objection raised in the past six days, I'm going to give this another week (to Mon 30 June) for people to comment and acknowledge old votes. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:203.81.29.204|203.81.29.204]] ([[User talk:203.81.29.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.81.29.204|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:The above message was posted through a proxy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

== Problems with referencing ==

* Some things are cited to spindizzynews.org which has been admitted to be tounge-in-cheek style.[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=135692&oldid=135690] My understanding is that spindizzy.org is okay as a reference, but spindizzynews.org is not.
* One reference is cited to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc but the link doesn't go anywhere. Putting aside whether we should use WikiFur itself as a reference, the link should be to a specific diff.
* Not a good reference "It is generally believed that these allegations are true." By who?
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:*Agree, though it might be worth keeping it around as an example of the reaction.
:*We should use WikiFur as a reference for actions taken on WikiFur.
:*By me, if you want a specific example. By others, too. Can it be proved? Not officially without AAE saying so, and they've said explicitly that they won't. Is it, in all likelihood, true? Yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::*Tried to clarify the source of the information between the two articles. Based on further looking, I don't think there's a difference between the ''domains'' spindizzy.org and spindizzynews.org, just that specific articles may or may not be written in a humourous style.
::*Agree, WikiFur can be a source for things that happen on WikiFur. I found the specific diff that seems to be the source. I'm not sure whether it's a particularly good source, since the account has no other edits.
::*True, proof is difficult and can be a lot to expect. Even a link to a blog or forum post could be enough to let readers evaluate the sources on their own.
::I made some edits based on these points. If there are any mistakes I am happy to correct them. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

::I have some comments on the [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm SpinDizzy News] article cited here. I am the server wizard for SpinDizzy, and held the same post back in 2000 when the events mentioned took place (not hard to check if you want to). I'm not sure if I may use my own knowledge as a reference for Wikifur, but here is my analysis of the factual accuracy of the SpinDizzy News article.
::*The majorty of the statements of fact (as opposed to opinions) in the article are accurate. I did, indeed receive numerous emails from Mozdoc of the form indicated in the first paragraph, over a long period of time following his first and subsequent bans.
::*The second and third paragraphs about his hacking attempt on Argon's account, and his defence, is factually accurate. I was the wizard who searched through the connection logs at the time, and was present when he was confronted with the results.
::*The fourth paragraph is accurate (to the best of my recollection wrt the connection count). Once we noticed the 'Myana' character using an IP address known to have been used by Mozdoc, it quickly became obvious it was being used by the same person, since when the character was blocked and ask to contact a wizard, there resulted another email from Mozdoc full of expletives demanding to know how we knew it was his alt.
::*The list of mucks from which Mozdoc had been banned was purely for comic effect, obviously.
::*The sixth paragraph is factually accurate about the onslaught of e-mails. The rest of the article is a mix of fact and opinion that probably doesn't have any relevence to the Mozdoc page on Wikifur.
::In summary, it would be safe from an accuracy point of view to use the facts detailed above. Whether their use would also be in accord with Wikifur's policies for verifiability, I do not know. Fortunately, there are people in this thread much more well versed in that than I! I hope that this has helped clear up the confusion over the accuracy and satirical content of the SpinDizzy News article. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit to the main page, Rat. I've edited it to remove some redundancy, and removed some ambiguities that were in there. I think it flows better now, but please feel free to change it further if you wish. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== analysis of mozdoc at fc'08 ==

obviously i am putting this here because i do not wish to edit the main page. i feel that anything i say there will be biased in one form or another.
: i had the honour of working with mozdoc during fc'08. though i can not speak officially for aae, i can give you my personal opinion.
: this year, he was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. he did what he could to avoid me, but since he was technically working under me for a while, there was no way he could. even then, until i approached him, he maintained as much distance as he could while still completing his job.
: when i approached him, he did seem uncomfortable, and requested the same things he always does, but he was mostly polite about it. almost as if he was unsure of if it was okay to ask.
: he did spend some time browsing kaceys table. he did not purchase any thing, and when she asked him if she could help him, he only replied a soft and sheepish 'no' and moved on.
: i would like to stress, i am not ready to give him an open book and start over, but i am willing to admit he was an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials so that constore staff could better do their job, he makes an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard, and i am told by friends who work in the art show that he did an excellent job there as well.
: i do not know if my attempt to breech the gap this year will help or hurt yet. though i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well. it is only fair that we try to remain objective and point out that he is capable of behaving himself.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This is getting annoying. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:A non-admin on IRC gave him the impression that he could edit this page to his liking without knowing the background of the case. He should have known better but I'm responsible for not seeing that there was a problem and joining the conversation earlier. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Exclusion redux ==

Its about fucking time you people started to get annoyed about this. You know what could make it all better and make it all go away? HOW ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE FUCKING FACT THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR LITTLE INBRED ASSININE EXCUSE OF A FUCKING COMMUNITY ANYMORE AND ASK THAT I BE GIVEN TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WIKIFUR. I WANT MY ARTICLE REMOVED, EVERY SINGLE MENTION OF MY NAME GONE, AND I WANT TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE.

How much more simple is it to understand? The reason that I continue to be pissed the fuck off at you little pinheaded little shit for brains administrators is that you just blatently refuse to see things my way and that the way I want things to happen will make life a whole lot easier for the rest of you if you just do as I ask and get it over and done with.

I have no fucking idea how my damn name ended up here in this hellish pile of shit called WikiFur, but I will see to it that it will be removed. It shouldn't take every single mother fucking one of you to agree that my article should be removed because it sure as fuck didn't take every single one of you to get my name on here. I demand EXCLUSION.

--Mozdoc

HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? I'm waiting for someone to get here and fucking talk to me since this place has been brought up again and its pissing me off all over again. Someone answer me and get my fucking name removed from here.

--Mozdoc

You know, there should be a hundred mother fuckers out there that have decided to watch this page for whatever fucking reason. Why am I not getting any responses at all from anybody? This is complete utter bullshit. Someone better fucking answer so that I can get my name off this "community".

--Mozdoc

Where are all the fucking people? God damn it already, someone fucking answer me and get my god damn name off of this piece of shit website already. I DO NOT want to be documented on any level at all and you will respect this wish to have me be excluded PERMANENTLY.

--Mozdoc

:Admins aren't on the place 24/7. And you'll get further in life if you learn how to say 'please' and 'thank you'. You've trolled me enough that I'm certainly not going to support any of your calls for exclusion, so you can take this up with someone else now and stop badgering me for the exclusion that I'm not going to grant you myself. Talk to GreenReaper, and try to not go the loud and rude route, and maybe you'll get some actual progress as a result. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::He came to me first. The above is the result of what happened when I asked him to explain here why he should now be excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::Just for the record, "I should be excluded because I want to be", in such extreme cases as this, is not an adequate reason for such. Especially with the way this user has handled it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 06:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually S.K., it seems that far too often in this day and age, being nice gets you nowhere. :( That's not to say that it shouldn't be tried, just after the first - or second - time(max) of being polite about it, one should be ready to drop the hammer.

a lot of people only seem to get the point when you slam them into the wall a few times. Being polite about it only gets a rousing "f*** you!" as a response. where the h*** did this country go wrong???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 06:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

When will you people fucking realize that your pathetic piece of shit bans don't do a fucking thing beside piss me off worse than I already was before? You sound like you're the assholes that need to grow the fuck up. I DEMAND RESULTS, I DO NOT WANT TO BE FUCKING BANNED.

--Mozdoc

:Gosh, I just can't imagine how ''anybody'' could ''possibly'' fail to fall all over themselves obeying a capslock-and-profanity-ridden demand -- sorry, "heeding a polite request" -- from such a well-spoken, courteous, level-headed, personable, and all-around respected individual such as Mozdoc! What's that saying -- "insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results"? Sheesh...[[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 12:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been asked to give this a review. I have reviewed the article, and the evidence. I see little problem at this time with provisionally removing the personal name, and if no objection has been raised in a week, I intend to do just that; but I recommend that this article otherwise stay, whole and complete. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:An objection has been raised (see '''Removal of real name?''' above). Tomorrow, I will summarize votes, and on Monday 30 June, after one full week for further comment, I intend to close the vote. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc's love notes via IM ==

I logged into IM tonight and found that Mozdoc had sent offline messages to me on ''two'' different IM services. I am documenting them here.

First, via Yahoo IM:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozcentaur 
8:48:24 PM 
YOU LITTLE PIECE OF MOTHER FUCKING SHIT! 
8:48:35 PM 
ANSWER ME YOU WORTHLESS FAG OF A MOTHER FUCKER. 
8:48:47 PM 
I'M FUCKING TALKING TO YOU YOU DICKHEADED MOTHER FUCKING CUNT. 

mozcentaur 
9:28:38 PM 
Answer me. 
9:31:31 PM</div>

Charming. And via MSN about an hour later, while I was still offline:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozdoc@yahoo.com
10:22:00 PM
ANSWER ME.</div>

I had to slightly massage the formatting on these, because my client (Adium) saves logs in HTML format. If anyone wants the raw logs, I have them up at http://rapidshare.com/files/115226319/mozdoclogs.zip.html

--[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

After several rounds of blocking Mozdoc and having him bother me under different screen names, I was finally treated to this. And yes, he really did type in all caps.

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">moz40 
I DO NOT GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT. 
12:36:46 AM 
ANSWER ME NOW. 
12:37:12 AM 
YOU FUCKING BANNED ME FROM WIKIFUR FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK YOU SACK OF SHIT. WITHOUT ANY REASON. I WANT MY GOD DAMN ARTICLE ON THAT FUCKING WEBSITE TO GO THE FUCK AWAY. UNDERSTAND? 
12:37:24 AM 
I WANT TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THAT FUCKING WIKIFUR SITE IMMEDIATELY. 
12:37:43 AM 
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHIT AND TRY AND HIDE FROM ME BECAUSE I WILL FUCKING FIND YOU. 
12:38:23 AM 
ONE FUCKING COMMENT BITCHING ABOUT HOW YOU'VE BEEN TREATING THIS ISSUE I'M HAVING AND I GET BANNED FOR A WEEK? YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT BANNING ME FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS OR MAKE ME ANY MORE CALMER THAN WHAT I AM NOW? 
12:38:43 AM 
YOU AND YOUR MOTHERFUCKING BANS JUST PISS ME OFF MORE TO WHERE I WANT TO TAKE A FUCKING SHOTGUN TO YOUR HEAD YOU IGNORANT LITTLE PRICKS. 
</div>

Hmm... comments about how he's going to find me, and taking "a fucking shotgun" to my head... I'd say that's a death threat, or pretty close to one. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:: He's been stalking the Fur Affinity staff and admins for the past week, going to anybody and everybody related to the site after he was perma-banned, making the same kind of threats. He used over a dozen IM clients to message and my admins, refusing to accept "no" as an answer and becoming increasingly hostile. --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 10:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: '''See thread:''' http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666

'''DAMNIT MOZDOC, COOL YOUR JETS!!!!! '''
The only thing your tactics will accomplish in this is EXACTLY what I outlined! Now calm the hell dowm before '''I''' get pissed! (And trust me, you are NOTHING compared to what I'M like when I get pissed!)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression? ==

I'm most likely going to recieve threats (From both sides) over this, but I felt it should be posted as proof of what's REALLY going on.

I recieved this by email this afternoon - it seems that my signature line has made me at least one friend in romania. :))

SpazKitty, you might want to pay extra close attention not only to WHAT your leader has said, but HOW they've said it. ;)

* again, removed under copyright violation *
: please do not make this an edit war.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 09:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

: please tell mozdoc that he did a nice editing job. also please may i remind him and everyone else, the contents of all discussions of im's with me are not public domain and are subject to copyright and may not be edited, or reprinted without my permission, as per a header in im's with me that has been conveniently deleted.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, so that's your answer to everything, is it? That Mozdoc did it? I hate to burst your bubble, but unless he suddenly moved to Europe.... he wasn't the one who sent it to me. ;)

Seriously, both of you need to return to your respective corners before '''someone''' grabs your head in one hand, his head in the other, and conks them together.

You are actually just as guilty of keeping this feud going, by your constant additions and reworks and comments - I would STRONGLY suggest you take a vacation... as soon as possible.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::: i would call your attention to the final line, which states the logff. that is indeed the time i logged, temporarily so that i could reboot this machine. in pacific standard time. the logoff shown is indicative of which machine it came from. if it was from an observer, it would also show his habit of blocking then unblocking, which he uses as a technique to say more without allowing the other party to speak. sort of a power thing.
::: what ever happened to your boycott?
::: again i remind you, contents of ims with me are protected under copyright and are not to be posted.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Ayukawataur: Are you indeed corresponding with Mozdoc in IM? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:: off and on i do. i mean i get spammed by him almost daily regarding this. sometimes i actually take the time to answer him, or at least to try and speak with him. or even to try and answer questions he may have.
:: it never occurred to me that anyone would take the time to seriously edit a transcript between myself and him, and then place it up as supposed evidence against me.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I actually changed the times(the only thing changed, I can assure you) - to prevent YOU from trying to track down the person I got it from. And yes, after reading that IM, you do strike me as the type to go all out in doing so - even if it's wrong. I'm sure that by now you've already "Yankee searched" me - looking for information to try to intimidate me with. Of course, if you DO try to intimidate me, it will be the biggest mistake of your life - Trust me, you DON'T want to declare all out war on someone like me ;)

And AYUKA, you DO realize that by removing it the IM, you make yourself look guilty as all hell - right???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:Please do not post other people's conversations here. You do not have the right to place such materials under the GFDL, nor is it a fair use of copyrighted material.
:Instead, here is a summary of the major themes of the conversation, which are not subject to copyright:
:* Mozdoc does not like Ayukawataur editing the article about him
:* Mozdoc maintains his initial action in posting Kacey's work to a mailing list without permission was legal; Ayukawataur that it was not, and that the claim that he had permission was particularly objectionable
:* Mozdoc says that Ayukawataur must be male because lesbians cannot marry; Ayukawataur replies that a legal loophole (involving [[Wikipedia:Full Faith and Credit Clause|full faith and credit]]) permitted her to marry Kacey in Nevada, which in turn allowed her to be a citizen and yet have her marriage recognized in Oregon (nullifying it being impossible since it would deny her citizenship, and remove Oregon's authority to do so)
:* Mozdoc insists on being unbanned from Furbid and having his fake accounts removed, Ayukawataur claims that to remove the accounts is not safe under the current database, and that other activities have intervened to delay the move to a new one
:* Ayukawataur has collected much information on Mozdoc, some of which is private correspondence, other collected from public records and investigation of Mozdoc's other activities, online and in real life; Mozdoc demands to see the correspondence with his parents, Ayukawataur refuses to give it to him
:* Throughout the conversation, Mozdoc was uncivil, making several crude sexual remarks and threats of physical violence. Mozdoc ultimately expresses the wish for Ayukawataur and/or Kacey to die, causing the survivor to suffer
:Mozdoc has claimed (as a argument for removal of this article) that he wants nothing to do with furry fandom. His insistence on being unbanned from FurBid suggests otherwise. This is unfortunate, as he has the symptoms of [[Wikipedia:Dissocial personality disorder|dissocial personality disorder]], and as there is no cure, the best thing for all concerned probably ''would'' be for him to have no contact with the fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

GOOD! I FUCKING AGREE! HOW ABOUT GETTING MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING DATABASE AND FUCKING EXCLUDING ME LIKE I'VE FUCKING ASKED REPEATEDLY? BUT NO, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DECIDE TO FUCK WITH ME EVEN MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND FUCKING MORE! MY DEMANDS ARE FUCKING SIMPLE. REMOVE MY GOD DAMN NAME OFF OF THIS FUCKING EXCUSE OF A FUCKING DATABASE BEFORE I FUCKING FIND ONE OF YOU FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT AND KILL YOU TO PROVE MY FUCKING POINT THAT I'M SERIOUS ABOUT WANTING MY GOD DAMN NAME REMOVED AND WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR FUCKING GAMES ABOUT KEEPING MY NAME ON HERE BECAUSE IT SERVES AS A FUCKING "WARNING" TO EVERY FUCKING PERSON OUT THERE. I DEMAND THAT MY NAME BE FUCKING REMOVED FROM THIS FUCKING DATABASE RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

AND YOU, YOU SACK OF SHIT GREENREAPRER, NEED TO FUCKING UNIGNORE ME FROM AIM SO THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO TALK TO YOU. YOU THINK THAT HIDING BEHIND A FUCKING IGNORE IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR SORRY MOTHER FUCKING ASS FROM ME? YOU ARE SADLY FUCKING MISTAKEN. THERE IS NOTHING THE FUCK WRONG WITH ME. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT DISSOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER? YOU ARE SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT ITS UNBELIEVABLE. THE ONLY THING THAT IS PISSING ME THE FUCK OFF IS THAT YOU STUPID DICKSUCKING ADMINISTRATORS HERE REFUSE TO SEE THINGS FROM MY FUCKING POINT OF VIEW. REMOVING MY ARTICLE FROM FUCKING WIKIFUR IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL NOT CEASE AT UNTIL I GET IT REMOVED AS I'VE REPEATEDLY FUCKING DEMANDED. THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME TO GET MY GOD DAMN NAME ON THIS FUCKING ASS EXCUSE OF A COMMUNITY AND THERE IS EVEN LESS OF A FUCKING REASON TO KEEP MY GOD DAMN NAME HERE. I DEMAND MY EXCLUSION IMMEDIATELY. GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF THIS GOD DAMN FUCKING SITE. THERE IS NO REASON TO KEEP ME HERE AND I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU ASSSHOLES TO KEEP ME HERE AGAINST MY FUCKING WILL. THERE IS NO FUCKING REASON TO WARN ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT ME FOR ANY FUCKING REASON AT ALL AND JUST KEEPING ME HERE IS GOING TO MAKE ME HUNT YOU FUCKING SACKS OF SHIT DOWN UNTIL I GET WHAT I FUCKING WANT.

GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!
<snip>
GET MY FUCKING NAME OFF OF WIKIFUR!

Thanks for your cooperation with my demands.

--Mozdoc

== Banned again? ==

Apparently, Mozdoc has been banned again from wikifur... by [[Spirou]], with no notification as to why or any way to find out for himself.

Spirou, would you kindly reply and state the reason for the ban? I would have posted this on your talk page, but it seems that you have disabled the adding of comments on it.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:Uh... Read above? --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:From the block log: <tt>00:23, 2 June 2008 Spirou (Talk | contribs | block) blocked Mozdoc (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked) ‎''(Intimidating behaviour/harassment: Take a break)''</tt>
:Spirou's comment was in reference to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Higgs_Raccoon&curid=17916&diff=198347&oldid=197307&rcid=206633 this statement], which was posted in reply to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&curid=40700&diff=198304&oldid=198295 this edit], which reduced about 14kB of one line repeated, down to its starting and ending lines, as can currently be seen above on this page. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear explaination Siege.

And Brushwell, the last I checked you were not an administrator here, or even a Junior Admin, so you would not have been able to positively answer the question. With that said, go back to dreaming up alternate histories for your character and shut the hell up.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 02:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: Uh... Brushwell does not need to be an admin to look through user histories and answer a question.
: Also, [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|personal attacks do not belong here]]. Please do not make them. Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::The block log is public. You could've answered your own question. And if you respond to answers with such comments, you may well find that eventually nobody will answer ::your questions. --<big>''' [[User:Brushwell Clinton|Brushwell]] '''</big>Loves your face.[[User_Talk:Brushwell Clinton|T a l k]] [[Special:Contributions/Brushwell_Clinton|C o n t r i b s]] 15:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)