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		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2010-03-25T03:38:13Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: End line issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I'm a nice guy once you get to know me. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCFm2acdrw A+ C++ D++ H++ M- P R+ T+ W RLRB a- cn++ d+ e f h* iwf+ j++ p+}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2010-03-25T03:37:36Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: Minor adjustments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I'm a nice guy once you get to know me. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCFm2acdrw A+ C++ D++ H++ M- P R+ T+ W RLRB a- cn++ d+ e f h* iwf+ j++ p+}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Fox_Amoore</id>
		<title>Talk:Fox Amoore</title>
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				<updated>2009-11-30T23:59:45Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Is the furaffinity site down right now, and if so how come what happened...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I don't know who you may be, but this isn't this place to ask , and it's best to wait since it always comes back eventually. [[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow Fox]] 23:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/Koty</id>
		<title>Koty</title>
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				<updated>2009-10-20T04:35:48Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: /* Affiliates */ Added link to user Shade Serevi&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[Category:People]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Koty''', otherwise known as [[Koty Galaxy]] in [[Second Life]], is not known anywhere else besides Second Life as he has yet to attend a furry convention or gathering of any kind. ''Koty'' can be seen in many furry-related locations in Second Life but more commonly seen in places like IYC Furry Sandbox, Pony Island, or even FurNation Hell annoying [[Selkit]] in some way. But only as a joke, of course.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Koty's most common [[fursona]] is a 6-tailed black '''Kitsune'''. He may commonly be seen as a [[crux]] (various colors), a black '''Anubis''', or a [[feline]] of some sort.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Koty''' is generally very outgoing and humorous although some people do not think so. His humor could be described as ''enigmatic'' by some, but most find Koty's '''personality''' and '''energy''' fun to be around. As ''playful'' as '''Koty''' may seem, he is always there for friends if they need to talk about something, or if they just need someone to hang out with. He will always stop what he is doing to help a friend in need of assistance of any kind. '''Honesty''' is another value that '''Koty''' possesses. He will never tell a lie no matter what, but don't think he will always tell you the truth straight to your face. He may try and avoid telling the truth in some way or form. He thinks very logically (although when he is acting playful you may not notice) about things and is always up for a debate. Especially a debate over religion or politics.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Koty''' is a strong [[Atheist]] and, ''if provoked'', will debate and argue a religious issue until the person who challenged his beliefs gives up. This doesn't mean he won't tolerate other religions, if this were so he would have no friends because most of which are [[Christian]] or [[Pagan]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Picture_3.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Affiliates ==&lt;br /&gt;
Last updated: October 2009&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Pucca Doghouse]] - Mate/SL Partner&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Huey Brucato]] - SL Brother&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Longshot Rexen]] -Sister&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Vixey Huntress]] - SL Sister&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stuart Skizm]] - SL Brother&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kelly Moorside]]r - SL Uncle&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Andrew Chauveau]] - Close Friend&lt;br /&gt;
*[[oXSilverXo Tigerfish]] - Close Friend&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sethorth Xaris]] - Close Friend&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''More Friends And Acquaintances'''&lt;br /&gt;
''Not in any order of significance'' &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Pearl Lurra]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Edna Verne]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tristan Spires]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Axel Fang]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rapier Soulstar]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Shadow Fox|Shade Serevi]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jap Ying]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sneff Sillanpaa]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Blixa Southpaw]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gothicthorn Stipe]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fukque Sideways]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IceCold Skytower]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kay Solo]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kelbii Jupiter]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Zhavier Rhiadra]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Foxxxy Luckless]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Previous Relationships'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Madisen Camden]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Toba Verino]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Aphrodite Juanos]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sparrow Joseppe]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kay Solo]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Koty In The Real World ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Very '''little''' is known about [[Koty Galaxy]] outside of [[Second Life]] that doesn't relate to [[furries]] in some way. Most of his friends and acquaintances do know '''Koty''''s real life name is '''Alex'''. '''Koty''' has been a furry almost all of his life stating from early childhood. Especially taking interests in such movies such as ''Balto'' and ''The Fox And The Hound'' as a child growing up. It is believed that such interests in these movies and the '''characters''' in the movies led to his affiliation in the [[Furry Fandom]]. '''Koty''' first heard of the [[Furry Fandom]] at age 14. Before then, he had no idea such a group of people with similar interests could exist. It was then that '''Koty''' could now call himself a [[furry]]. Years later '''Koty''' discovered [[Second Life]], an online virtual-world where anything was possible. Now that he has been on [[Second Life]], his interests in the [[fandom]] have only increased due to socialization with '''other''' [[furries]] and being able to try other [[fursona]]'s on his '''avatar'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Picture_5.png]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2009-03-17T05:33:05Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I tend to change my fox colors only by slight bits. I'm a nice guy once you get to know me. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCFm2acdrw A+ C++ D++ H++ M- P R+ T+ W RLRB a- cn++ d+ e f h* iwf+ j++ p+}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:Moving_hosts</id>
		<title>WikiFur:Moving hosts</title>
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				<updated>2008-07-30T08:26:56Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: /* Administrative support for above statement */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;float:right&amp;quot;&amp;gt;__TOC__&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;[[WikiFur]] is moving hosts in the near future. This page explains why, and explores the various options available to us.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since its creation in July 2005, WikiFur has been hosted on [[Wikipedia:Wikia|Wikia]], a full-service wiki hosting provider, or [[Wikipedia:Wiki farm|wiki farm]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wikia is not a charity. It is a for-profit company funded by [[Wikipedia:venture capital|venture capital]]. This has many positive aspects - not least the high performance and availability of WikiFur to date. However, over time, the negative effects have become more evident.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On Friday 6 June 2008, Wikia announced that it would be [[Wikia:Wikia's New Style|enforcing a new default skin]] (Monaco) with significantly increased advertising, some of which would [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page intrude into the content area] (in the top-right position normally occupied by a picture or infobox). Users would still be able use other skins by logging in and selecting them in their preferences, but administrators could not select a non-Monaco default for users. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;They have also [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia%27s_New_Style&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=154688 discarded] a promise made before WikiFur's arrival to [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Terms_of_use&amp;amp;curid=968&amp;amp;diff=154683&amp;amp;oldid=147678 never host popup ads]&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; (this change was reverted after [[Wikia:Talk:Terms of use#Wikia Farm|further discussion]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
We believe that this new style and level of advertising negatively impacts our readers to an unacceptable level. We also feel that Wikia is asserting an inappropriate level of ownership over the wikis for which it provides services. They have indicated that they want a more cohesive community of wiki sites than we do. These differences of opinion and needs are not likely to be resolved.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
WikiFur is not the only site to have problems with this - it has [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 1|been]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 2|the]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 3|subject]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 4|of]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 5|much]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style|discussion]]. Members of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Finding_alternative_hosting Wookieepedia] (the Star Wars Wiki) and [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving  Teletraan-1] (the Transformers wiki) have come to the conclusion that they need a &amp;quot;plan B&amp;quot;. We concur, and intend to use it as soon as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Administrative support for above statement ===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Please only enter a signature here if you are a WikiFur Administrator --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
;Support&lt;br /&gt;
*I'm [[GreenReaper]], and [[Wikipedia:I approve this message|I approve this message]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*Agreed. Moving not only frees us from the reigns of Wikia, but opens up numerous new opportunities for WikiFur as a whole. --{{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Agreed.  I think that a move would help us grow and is in our long-term best interests. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* With Wikia's intent now clear, both in their desire to increase monetization by advertising alone rather than by sales of services, and in their desire to claim greater ownership over member wikis, I feel that WikiFur will be best served by moving to an independent host. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I also am strongly in support. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree.  Establishing independence from this sort of money-grubbing is definitely in WikiFur's long-term interest, especially if Wikia's changes lead to attempts at editorial control - a definite no-no for a wiki. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support a move. I dislike pop-ups. I looked at the wikia's communitytest of the Monaco and while I think I could handle one of the Google ad boxes, a double-dose of Google ads at the top of every page looks like it would be ad-heavy. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 04:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Unfortunately, it looks like Wikia won't compromise in its decision so it's necessary to find a new host. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I'm going out to get boxes and parcel tape, pop-ups are just unacceptable and moving to a new server is quite feasible. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Not giving a choice to the customer (us) means not caring about them. Also, pop-ups make me cringe! Either point is enough for me to want to move. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I concur with the reasons stated for finding a new host.  It's been good with Wikia so far, but I don't like where they are heading.  --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support the move - finding a new host does seem to be in the best interests of WikiFur's future.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Neutral&lt;br /&gt;
* I've always been a fan of the wikia style, and look at the pros and cons of the move, I'll just wait and see what happens afterwords. --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow-Fox Kakuretsin]] 07:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*:''Not an admin, but point noted. To clarify: we do like skin '''options''' - we don't like having them forced on our readers. The issue was that the skin change was partly driven by Wikia's requirements for branding and advertising, and was not presented as optional.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*:'''It's not as much as that as that, but even though this is a large database, the cons almost seem to outweigh the pros.''' --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow-Fox Kakuretsin]] 08:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Oppose&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Recuse&lt;br /&gt;
* Currently working for Wikia -- [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things to consider ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Wikia may still maintain a site at furry.wikia.com. This is up to them - the [[Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]] permits it, although certain images uploaded under different licenses (or none) might not be available for their use.&lt;br /&gt;
** For this reason, please immediately change links to use '''en.wikifur.com''' rather than '''furry.wikia.com'''. The new domain will work both before and after the move.&lt;br /&gt;
* GreenReaper has control over the [[WikiFur:Trade and service marks|WikiFur service mark]], therefore our site will be using it and Wikia will not.&lt;br /&gt;
* A full database backup (not just the XML) and image backup should be available to us. User login details may be available.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Current status ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our images currently occupy 1.4GiB of space. The database page table can be compressed if necessary and in that case should take up less than 100MB. Allowing for reasonable expansion over the next year, we will be at 2GiB.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Our total bandwidth use is hard to calculate, but we use about 50GiB a month in CSS and HTML transfer alone. It is not unrealistic to suggest that our total usage might be three times this after images.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Comparison of options ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
During the administrative discussion, several options were proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some options that were quickly dismissed:&lt;br /&gt;
* Wikia has indicated that while they might consider an offer of money for hosting, it does not really fit into their business model. WikiFur's administrators felt it would not work on a long-term basis.&lt;br /&gt;
* Other wiki farms were ignored, as we do not believe they will offer a sufficient level of service to justify the additional cost.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Shared hosting (NearlyFreeSpeech.net) ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://nearlyfreespeech.net NearlyFreeSpeech.net] is a shared hosting provider with load-balancing. They provide Linux, PHP 5 and MySQL. They host [[Anthrocon]]'s website (and [[GreenReaper]]'s personal site).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* We only pay for what we use - no more, no less&lt;br /&gt;
* Integrated rsync.net option for a low price with no transfer costs&lt;br /&gt;
* Should provide good availability and probably sufficient performance&lt;br /&gt;
* Competent techs willing to &amp;quot;go the extra mile&amp;quot; for the right people (as certified by Giza)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* The costs provide a disincentive to grow our audience and our site:&lt;br /&gt;
** The cost of bandwidth, while great for small sites, becomes uncompetitive quite quickly, even with the [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/hosting.php#pricing long-term bandwith discount]&lt;br /&gt;
** Storage costs are high - $10.00 per GiB/month. No bulk discounts (yet). &lt;br /&gt;
* Limited control over the environment. We can run CGI scripts manually (remote triggered), and there is ssh and [S]FTP, but we can't add or configure OS-level modules ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;
* No ability to run most others kind of servers (no static IP).&lt;br /&gt;
* No [[Wikipedia:memcached|memcached]] (in-memory object caching daemon), which ''could'' severely limit MediaWiki performance&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Storage:''' 2.0 * $10.00 * 12 = $240&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Bandwidth:''' 150 GiB * 12 = 1800 GiB, which [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/bwcalc.php will cost] $479.82. The subsequent year would be $407.12.&lt;br /&gt;
*'''MySQL:''' ($0.01 [base process] + $0.01 [InnoDB table support]) * 365 = $7.30&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Backup:''' 2.0 * $1.40 * 12 = $33.60 (optional)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Total:''' $760.72 for the first year, with backup (varies significantly depending on accurate estimate of bandwidth usage)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Virtual server (Linode.com) ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.linode.com/ Linode] offers Linux virtual servers occupying high-powered machines (quad-core Intel Xeons with RAID-1 disk mirroring), with a certain dedicated amount of memory, storage and bandwidth, and a guaranteed (small) percentage of the real computer's CPU which may increase if other sites are not using their share.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* Even the smallest plan should have sufficient storage for us&lt;br /&gt;
* Location would likely be in [[Wikipedia:New Jersey|New Jersey]], a good compromise for American and worldwide furs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Real IP address, real server inasmuch as we can run what we like on it, full control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* MediaWiki can be rather CPU-expensive as an application, and may also strain the memory. We are already close to the limits of the lowest plan. We can buy more RAM and bandwidth, but that will also cost more.&lt;br /&gt;
* We would have to provide our own server administrator and spend more time running the server - time we could be spending improving or promoting the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''360 plan''' (max sharing: 40, 360MiB RAM, 12/18GiB storage, 200 GiB/month bandwidth: $19.95 * 12 = $239.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
*'''540 plan''' (max sharing: 30, 540MiB RAM, 18/27GiB storage, 300 GiB/month bandwidth: $29.95 * 12 = $359.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Use of dedicated server (Timduru) ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Timduru]] (our French WikiFur administrator) has offered the use of his dedicated US server (Conroe 3040 dual-core, 2GB RAM, 750GB+500GB HD, 3TB/month, ~1.8TB free - FreeBSD 7.0) hosted at [http://www.theplanet.com/ ThePlanet] in Texas. This is the same one that hosts a number of [[fursuit]]-related sites (e.g. [[The Fursuit Archive]], [[The Fursuit Database]]). It is also a streaming server for the [[Funday PawPet Show]] and [[FursuitTV]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Low-latency, relatively high-bandwidth (40MBps+) connectivity with a monthly limit that we are unlikely to max out anytime soon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Server facilities appear [http://www.timduru.org/stats/ relatively unused] despite the existing services. There's plenty of CPU and memory available, even during periods of streaming. Initial tests indicate performance would be very good.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ability to run daemons as required by the site, and perhaps other servers. SSH access. Our own IP.&lt;br /&gt;
* A server administrator who intimately understands both our needs and the server.&lt;br /&gt;
* A backup to his French server can be provided, and potentially activated there in an emergency.&lt;br /&gt;
* The price is unbeatable.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Timduru has been a server administrator for 10 years, but the people he has to rely on to fix problems have sometimes been [http://www.lionking.org/~timduru/status-bestof.html less than fully competent]. While the control situation is now improved (a [[Wikipedia:KVM switch#KVM over IP|remote KVM]] is installed) we would still have to act on any low-level problems via Timduru.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is the potential for degraded network performance during periods of streaming. This does not actually appear to be the case but it is possible that this will occur as viewership continues to increase.&lt;br /&gt;
* Timduru's server is primarily for supporting and promoting fursuiting within the fandom. If push came to shove, WikiFur would be the site to be shoved - gently, with a reasonable time to arrange alternative hosting. (This situation is considered &amp;quot;very unlikely&amp;quot;, as increased supply of bandwidth/storage/etc. has outpaced demand in recent years.)&lt;br /&gt;
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;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Nothing''', unless we required services with a specific cost. However, as a significant user, we might well chip in now and then, and/or direct user donations to help cover yearly costs, which are currently in the $2000-3000 range.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vote ==&lt;br /&gt;
:'''''This vote is now closed. A preference was expressed for Option 3 (Timduru).'''''&lt;br /&gt;
Please indicate your preference by adding your vote to this table. If you have no preference between two options, average your vote. For example, if you preferred one option above two others, vote 1 for the first, and 2.5 for the others.&lt;br /&gt;
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* This vote is of an advisory nature. If there is a clear preference for an option, it will be taken. If not, [[GreenReaper]] will make the final choice.&lt;br /&gt;
* The vote is open to all users, but the votes of administrators may be given more weight.&lt;br /&gt;
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| I believe that Timduru's solution is the most effective in our case. Linode - as documented - will likely have problems running the MediaWiki software and would require an administrator to be available in the area in case something does go awry. NFS is not only expensive, but limited in it's application and control we have over the operating environment. Meanwhile, Timduru's option has the least severe &amp;quot;cons&amp;quot;, while we can be assured that the interests of Timduru and WikiFur are aligned and understandable. And hey, better the devil you know. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I feel that NFSN is a good First Step, as it is easy to get started and they have a robust environment.  If they fail to meet our needs, then Timduru would be the next best, due to cost (free) and the fact that there is already a server admin. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I feel that Timduru may be our best option, I also feel that Mr. Muth has made a good case for NFSN. Linode is good for monetary cost, but needing our own server admin is an incidental cost we might not be able to afford right away. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I'm quite sceptical about vhost providers. They often don't scale well. Mediawiki without shell access can be quite a PITA for certain admin tasks, thus I'm not conviced that NFSN suits us. Timduru, though, is a very reliable and experienced system administrator. [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] 15:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Actually, NFSN does make shells available to their customers.  --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[User:Timduru|Timduru]]: NFSN infrastructure sounds interesting, and based on other sites hosted there it sounds like a good option, it is quite costly though. The main points that worries me about them is that as written in their FAQ, they don't allow processes to run for more than 2 to 5 minutes for shell and 3 minutes for php. Mediawiki maintenance scripts and import / export processes will take more time than that to complete, and we will need to run them on a regular basis. The initial xml import took more than 2.5 hours to complete on my server. Even if we get a DB export, that'll take more than 2 minutes to complete I think. The other aspect written in their FAQ is that it seems they don't expect you to use a lot of ressource as you would do on a dedicated server, otherwise they might cancel your hosting. If these 2 points could be cleared with them so that we are sure we can run a heavy mediawiki there, I think their redundant servers would be better than mine. About Linode it's difficult to know what power we would get, but based on the server specs it might be enough. The good point would be that we have full access to the server too. --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 17:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Unless something really cool pops up re: NFSN, I would be inclined to go with the resource we're more familiar with.  :) [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I haven't got a detailed understanding of the technical requirements, so I won't try to figure out what would be better between NearlyFreeSpeech and Linode. I am uncomfortable with the scenario of being hosted as a favour. [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| We're going to need a server admin no matter which we pick, so we may as well pick one familiar with the server. [[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| As per [[User:Rat|Rat]]'s comments. Also, I agree with [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] as in virtual servers don't scale well; they're meant for starting up, which isn't our case. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I don't really like any of the options presented, but the option for a dedicated server is the one I dislike the least.  The first option isn't bad either, but discouraging the growth of the site is probably a bad idea.  And, with all due respect to Timduru, hosting something like Wikifur on someone's personal server, with a single admin, is a very bad idea.  This is why I didn't offer my hosting services, and I even have active staff besides myself, with more system resources than Timduru's quoted specs.  [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 23:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I will leave the final decision about this matter to more knowledgeable Admins. I can't bring anything to this discussion at present time [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I've read and pondered the pros and cons for each choice, but I just don't have any experience in hosting and maintaining a large website, and I think the decision is best left to those with expert knowledge.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I don't really know a whole lot about servers, the third option has the most advantages in it's favor. And the only thing that I worry about is server stress (streaming) as we continue to grow. This just seems to be the best option available right now. We do of course have the other two as backup options. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Markus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I agree with [[User:Markus|Markus]], in fact I would write something very similar. -- [[User:Xkun|Xkun]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Xkun|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Well, I would essentially rule out NFSN due to the nature of their hosting platform. Reasons for this include: Very limited server access, no possibility to host other services in the future, no persistent processes (which means we'd have to run mediawiki as a pure CGI program, which is very very very slow), and no memcached or squid (which is absolutely needed for WikiFur with it's level of activity). This leaves Timduru's offer and Linode. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now to address my perceived advantages of each: Timduru: cost and setup; Linode: control, scalability, and independence. Timdurus offer, while generous, could be subject to withdrawal for any number of reasons (personal, business, other projects, etc). Dependence on another party would also lessen WikiFur's independence in hosting new and interesting services, and in making configuration changes, or reacting quickly to attacks, and potentially in meeting community demand. However, given all of these limitations you can't beat the cost and currently available capacity, and the real world experience of the administrator. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now for the Linode solution: Linode sells what are essentially computer slices (pieces of bandwidth, storage, memory, and compute time) in variable chunks. The downside to this is that we're limited potentially by the other users of that particular machine. The good news is that we're always guaranteed a certain proportion of time there, so we can't be crowded out and we can run whatever software we need. The bad news is that we also have to provide our own server administrator, setup, and maintenance. However, I don't think this is something we should worry about -- it just means we get to appoint and agree on who should help to run the server. I have previously volunteered to help engineer the move and server administration regardless of the final decision of where we move. Regardless of where we choose to move to, I will always be happy to donate my time and experience to making sure WikiFur always remains online. I believe that the best advantage this arrangement provides is total independence and no conflict of interest with regard to any content we might eventually host. The reason I think Linodes second advantage is scalability is that we can bring additional servers online to meet unexpected demand as we grow and turn them off as needed to save money on costs. I have been a Linode customer (for my personal server) for almost a year and a half now and have absolutely no complaints about their level of service (I stand to gain nothing from recommending them here). In fact, the owner hangs out in their IRC channel and helps out (they've helped me out with some exceedingly tricky setups before). To summarize, I would choose Linode as our primary hosting platform because it provides us with an upfront specification of costs with a guaranteed level of service,quick present support, easy expansion, and complete independence and flexibility. - [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|A preference has been expressed. We shall implement Option 3 (Timduru), bearing in mind the concerns raised above. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plan of action ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting setup ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] will provide hosting for WikiFur on his server. The specifics of the hosting environment are subject to change at any time.&lt;br /&gt;
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The initial server setup includes:&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:PHP|PHP]] 5.x with the [[Wikipedia:Alternative PHP Cache|Alternative PHP Cache]] to speed code execution&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] 1.12&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MySQL|MySQL]] 5.x&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Memcached|Memcached]] to cache temporary objects/sessions&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Squid (software)|Squid]] (or perhaps [[Wikipedia:Varnish cache|Varnish]] later) to cache complete pages&lt;br /&gt;
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The server contains one 1.8GHz dual-core Intel processor; this should be more than sufficient for our needs if the above software is used correctly (when streaming, around 20% is used). 2GB RAM is available to the server. Disk space is not expected to be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Maximum server bandwidth is 3TB/month, of which over half is still available. In practice, we are unlikely to use more than a small fraction of this. The server has a 100MBit connection; usable bandwidth to the net is known to be above 30MBit/sec.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Emergency and backup provisions ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] and [[User:Rat|RainRat]] have access to change the wikifur.com domain name in the case that GreenReaper is unavailable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regular backups will be taken, on at least a weekly basis, and made available for public download.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Transfer (provisional) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Wikia shall provide a complete database dump, containing all revisions of all articles (including deleted revisions), and copies of all images. It should be possible to use these backups to directly create a copy of the website.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting agreement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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''In this agreement, the '''Host''' is [[Timduru]], an individual currently residing in [[Wikipedia:France|France]]; '''WikiSystemAdmins''' are [[GreenReaper]], an individual currently residing in the [[Wikipedia:United States of America|United States of America]], and potentially one other person; and '''WikiAdmins''' are those with regular wiki system account access and user-level database access (likely to be a small subset of [[WikiFur:Administrators|WikiFur's administrators]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Host agrees to provide a server environment on which MediaWiki can be hosted, an IP on which it can be accessed, and any server-level configuration necessary to ensure public access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiAdmins access to the server on a level necessary to make changes to WikiFur's software configuration, database and image store. &lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiSystemAdmins [[Wikipedia:Superuser|root access]] to the server's [[Wikipedia:FreeBSD jail|jailed OS]] where WikiFur is hosted. This access should only be used for maintenance tasks not possible with the regular WikiAdmins access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins are in charge of keeping the MediaWiki system, extensions and server components up to date.&lt;br /&gt;
* Additional components can be installed if needed, but they must be cleared by the Host first, and must not be a security risk or materially impact server performance.&lt;br /&gt;
* When possible the Host will provide automated backup processes to WikiFurAdmins. Where automated backups are not possible, WikiFurAdmins have full access to the data and are responsible for backing up the data as they deem necessary. In any case, it is the responsibility of WikiFurAdmins to ensure that the data in their possession is sufficient for restoring WikiFur. The Host cannot be held responsible for any data loss that may occur.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host or WikiFurSystemAdmins may decide to terminate WikiFur hosting at any time and for any reason. If terminated by the Host, WikiFurSystemAdmins will be given one month's notice. The Host will provide necessary assistance in transferring all necessary data from the server. During the notice period, if WikiFur's usage is compromising the normal use of other services on the server, the Host can throttle usage in order to restore those services.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host will make no claim of ownership over the site or its content, other than that which he already has as a WikiFur administrator and editor, nor attempt to modify the site, its database, its associated files or its presentation against the will of WikiFur's administrators, except as required by law (e.g. [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] [[Wikipedia:Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act|takedown requests]]) and maintenance tasks (e.g. database, filesystem, OS).&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins agree to not do anything with their access that could be harmful for the server or its owner, and to respect the Terms of Service of the hosting datacenter (currently [[Wikipedia:The Planet Internet Services|EV1 Servers/The Planet]]).&lt;br /&gt;
* The system jail given for WikiFur's needs is for the sole purpose of hosting MediaWiki and should not be used in other ways without asking the Host first. The system should not initiate outgoing network connections or send spam.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to take reasonable steps to ensure the operation of the wiki from a server perspective, including performing or arranging for timely maintenance of the server's non-jailed system software or hardware when problems arise. The Host is not responsible for problems caused by the datacenter where the server is hosted. The Host will help to solve problems, but is not responsible for damage caused by WikiSystemAdmins or WikiAdmins.&lt;br /&gt;
* As [[Wikipedia:consideration|consideration]], WikiSystemAdmins guarantee the Host will receive assistance with hosting costs up to the percentage of the server's resources used by WikiFur, on an annual basis. For example, if WikiFur used 10% of server resources and server costs were $3000, assistance of $300 would be guaranteed. The initial metric for resource usage shall be bandwidth used by WikiFur as a proportion of the physical server's total permitted server bandwidth. One-off charges, such as the addition of equipment needed primarily to support WikiFur, may be considered separately. Donations to the Host by third parties made on WikiFur's behalf shall be considered part of this assistance.&lt;br /&gt;
* This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the [[Wikipedia:Michigan|State of Michigan]].&lt;br /&gt;
:: /[[User:GreenReaper|Laurence &amp;quot;GreenReaper&amp;quot; Parry]]/ 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I agree with the above terms --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 09:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Explanatory notes ====&lt;br /&gt;
:''These notes do not part of the agreement''&lt;br /&gt;
* The exact form of hosting is not specified to allow the Host some flexibility.&lt;br /&gt;
* Termination of hosting will be performed by WikiSystemAdmins after consulting with the responsible body, currently the group of WikiFur administrators.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since its creation in July 2005, WikiFur has been hosted on [[Wikipedia:Wikia|Wikia]], a full-service wiki hosting provider, or [[Wikipedia:Wiki farm|wiki farm]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Wikia is not a charity. It is a for-profit company funded by [[Wikipedia:venture capital|venture capital]]. This has many positive aspects - not least the high performance and availability of WikiFur to date. However, over time, the negative effects have become more evident.&lt;br /&gt;
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On Friday 6 June 2008, Wikia announced that it would be [[Wikia:Wikia's New Style|enforcing a new default skin]] (Monaco) with significantly increased advertising, some of which would [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page intrude into the content area] (in the top-right position normally occupied by a picture or infobox). Users would still be able use other skins by logging in and selecting them in their preferences, but administrators could not select a non-Monaco default for users. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;They have also [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia%27s_New_Style&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=154688 discarded] a promise made before WikiFur's arrival to [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Terms_of_use&amp;amp;curid=968&amp;amp;diff=154683&amp;amp;oldid=147678 never host popup ads]&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; (this change was reverted after [[Wikia:Talk:Terms of use#Wikia Farm|further discussion]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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We believe that this new style and level of advertising negatively impacts our readers to an unacceptable level. We also feel that Wikia is asserting an inappropriate level of ownership over the wikis for which it provides services. They have indicated that they want a more cohesive community of wiki sites than we do. These differences of opinion and needs are not likely to be resolved.&lt;br /&gt;
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WikiFur is not the only site to have problems with this - it has [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 1|been]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 2|the]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 3|subject]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 4|of]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 5|much]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style|discussion]]. Members of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Finding_alternative_hosting Wookieepedia] (the Star Wars Wiki) and [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving  Teletraan-1] (the Transformers wiki) have come to the conclusion that they need a &amp;quot;plan B&amp;quot;. We concur, and intend to use it as soon as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Administrative support for above statement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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;Support&lt;br /&gt;
*I'm [[GreenReaper]], and [[Wikipedia:I approve this message|I approve this message]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*Agreed. Moving not only frees us from the reigns of Wikia, but opens up numerous new opportunities for WikiFur as a whole. --{{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Agreed.  I think that a move would help us grow and is in our long-term best interests. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* With Wikia's intent now clear, both in their desire to increase monetization by advertising alone rather than by sales of services, and in their desire to claim greater ownership over member wikis, I feel that WikiFur will be best served by moving to an independent host. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I also am strongly in support. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree.  Establishing independence from this sort of money-grubbing is definitely in WikiFur's long-term interest, especially if Wikia's changes lead to attempts at editorial control - a definite no-no for a wiki. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support a move. I dislike pop-ups. I looked at the wikia's communitytest of the Monaco and while I think I could handle one of the Google ad boxes, a double-dose of Google ads at the top of every page looks like it would be ad-heavy. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 04:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Unfortunately, it looks like Wikia won't compromise in its decision so it's necessary to find a new host. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I'm going out to get boxes and parcel tape, pop-ups are just unacceptable and moving to a new server is quite feasible. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Not giving a choice to the customer (us) means not caring about them. Also, pop-ups make me cringe! Either point is enough for me to want to move. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I concur with the reasons stated for finding a new host.  It's been good with Wikia so far, but I don't like where they are heading.  --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support the move - finding a new host does seem to be in the best interests of WikiFur's future.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Neutral&lt;br /&gt;
* I've always been a fan of the wikia style, and look at the pros and cons of the move, I'll just wait and see what happens afterwords. --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow-Fox Kakuretsin]] 07:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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;Oppose&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Recuse&lt;br /&gt;
* Currently working for Wikia -- [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things to consider ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Wikia may still maintain a site at furry.wikia.com. This is up to them - the [[Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]] permits it, although certain images uploaded under different licenses (or none) might not be available for their use.&lt;br /&gt;
** For this reason, please immediately change links to use '''en.wikifur.com''' rather than '''furry.wikia.com'''. The new domain will work both before and after the move.&lt;br /&gt;
* GreenReaper has control over the [[WikiFur:Trade and service marks|WikiFur service mark]], therefore our site will be using it and Wikia will not.&lt;br /&gt;
* A full database backup (not just the XML) and image backup should be available to us. User login details may be available.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current status ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Our images currently occupy 1.4GiB of space. The database page table can be compressed if necessary and in that case should take up less than 100MB. Allowing for reasonable expansion over the next year, we will be at 2GiB.&lt;br /&gt;
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Our total bandwidth use is hard to calculate, but we use about 50GiB a month in CSS and HTML transfer alone. It is not unrealistic to suggest that our total usage might be three times this after images.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Comparison of options ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the administrative discussion, several options were proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some options that were quickly dismissed:&lt;br /&gt;
* Wikia has indicated that while they might consider an offer of money for hosting, it does not really fit into their business model. WikiFur's administrators felt it would not work on a long-term basis.&lt;br /&gt;
* Other wiki farms were ignored, as we do not believe they will offer a sufficient level of service to justify the additional cost.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Shared hosting (NearlyFreeSpeech.net) ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://nearlyfreespeech.net NearlyFreeSpeech.net] is a shared hosting provider with load-balancing. They provide Linux, PHP 5 and MySQL. They host [[Anthrocon]]'s website (and [[GreenReaper]]'s personal site).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* We only pay for what we use - no more, no less&lt;br /&gt;
* Integrated rsync.net option for a low price with no transfer costs&lt;br /&gt;
* Should provide good availability and probably sufficient performance&lt;br /&gt;
* Competent techs willing to &amp;quot;go the extra mile&amp;quot; for the right people (as certified by Giza)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* The costs provide a disincentive to grow our audience and our site:&lt;br /&gt;
** The cost of bandwidth, while great for small sites, becomes uncompetitive quite quickly, even with the [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/hosting.php#pricing long-term bandwith discount]&lt;br /&gt;
** Storage costs are high - $10.00 per GiB/month. No bulk discounts (yet). &lt;br /&gt;
* Limited control over the environment. We can run CGI scripts manually (remote triggered), and there is ssh and [S]FTP, but we can't add or configure OS-level modules ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;
* No ability to run most others kind of servers (no static IP).&lt;br /&gt;
* No [[Wikipedia:memcached|memcached]] (in-memory object caching daemon), which ''could'' severely limit MediaWiki performance&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Storage:''' 2.0 * $10.00 * 12 = $240&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Bandwidth:''' 150 GiB * 12 = 1800 GiB, which [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/bwcalc.php will cost] $479.82. The subsequent year would be $407.12.&lt;br /&gt;
*'''MySQL:''' ($0.01 [base process] + $0.01 [InnoDB table support]) * 365 = $7.30&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Backup:''' 2.0 * $1.40 * 12 = $33.60 (optional)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Total:''' $760.72 for the first year, with backup (varies significantly depending on accurate estimate of bandwidth usage)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== Virtual server (Linode.com) ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.linode.com/ Linode] offers Linux virtual servers occupying high-powered machines (quad-core Intel Xeons with RAID-1 disk mirroring), with a certain dedicated amount of memory, storage and bandwidth, and a guaranteed (small) percentage of the real computer's CPU which may increase if other sites are not using their share.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* Even the smallest plan should have sufficient storage for us&lt;br /&gt;
* Location would likely be in [[Wikipedia:New Jersey|New Jersey]], a good compromise for American and worldwide furs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Real IP address, real server inasmuch as we can run what we like on it, full control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* MediaWiki can be rather CPU-expensive as an application, and may also strain the memory. We are already close to the limits of the lowest plan. We can buy more RAM and bandwidth, but that will also cost more.&lt;br /&gt;
* We would have to provide our own server administrator and spend more time running the server - time we could be spending improving or promoting the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''360 plan''' (max sharing: 40, 360MiB RAM, 12/18GiB storage, 200 GiB/month bandwidth: $19.95 * 12 = $239.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
*'''540 plan''' (max sharing: 30, 540MiB RAM, 18/27GiB storage, 300 GiB/month bandwidth: $29.95 * 12 = $359.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Use of dedicated server (Timduru) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Timduru]] (our French WikiFur administrator) has offered the use of his dedicated US server (Conroe 3040 dual-core, 2GB RAM, 750GB+500GB HD, 3TB/month, ~1.8TB free - FreeBSD 7.0) hosted at [http://www.theplanet.com/ ThePlanet] in Texas. This is the same one that hosts a number of [[fursuit]]-related sites (e.g. [[The Fursuit Archive]], [[The Fursuit Database]]). It is also a streaming server for the [[Funday PawPet Show]] and [[FursuitTV]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Low-latency, relatively high-bandwidth (40MBps+) connectivity with a monthly limit that we are unlikely to max out anytime soon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Server facilities appear [http://www.timduru.org/stats/ relatively unused] despite the existing services. There's plenty of CPU and memory available, even during periods of streaming. Initial tests indicate performance would be very good.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ability to run daemons as required by the site, and perhaps other servers. SSH access. Our own IP.&lt;br /&gt;
* A server administrator who intimately understands both our needs and the server.&lt;br /&gt;
* A backup to his French server can be provided, and potentially activated there in an emergency.&lt;br /&gt;
* The price is unbeatable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* Timduru has been a server administrator for 10 years, but the people he has to rely on to fix problems have sometimes been [http://www.lionking.org/~timduru/status-bestof.html less than fully competent]. While the control situation is now improved (a [[Wikipedia:KVM switch#KVM over IP|remote KVM]] is installed) we would still have to act on any low-level problems via Timduru.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is the potential for degraded network performance during periods of streaming. This does not actually appear to be the case but it is possible that this will occur as viewership continues to increase.&lt;br /&gt;
* Timduru's server is primarily for supporting and promoting fursuiting within the fandom. If push came to shove, WikiFur would be the site to be shoved - gently, with a reasonable time to arrange alternative hosting. (This situation is considered &amp;quot;very unlikely&amp;quot;, as increased supply of bandwidth/storage/etc. has outpaced demand in recent years.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Nothing''', unless we required services with a specific cost. However, as a significant user, we might well chip in now and then, and/or direct user donations to help cover yearly costs, which are currently in the $2000-3000 range.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Vote ==&lt;br /&gt;
:'''''This vote is now closed. A preference was expressed for Option 3 (Timduru).'''''&lt;br /&gt;
Please indicate your preference by adding your vote to this table. If you have no preference between two options, average your vote. For example, if you preferred one option above two others, vote 1 for the first, and 2.5 for the others.&lt;br /&gt;
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* This vote is of an advisory nature. If there is a clear preference for an option, it will be taken. If not, [[GreenReaper]] will make the final choice.&lt;br /&gt;
* The vote is open to all users, but the votes of administrators may be given more weight.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- You may need to place a space between your signature and the pipes. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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| I believe that Timduru's solution is the most effective in our case. Linode - as documented - will likely have problems running the MediaWiki software and would require an administrator to be available in the area in case something does go awry. NFS is not only expensive, but limited in it's application and control we have over the operating environment. Meanwhile, Timduru's option has the least severe &amp;quot;cons&amp;quot;, while we can be assured that the interests of Timduru and WikiFur are aligned and understandable. And hey, better the devil you know. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I feel that NFSN is a good First Step, as it is easy to get started and they have a robust environment.  If they fail to meet our needs, then Timduru would be the next best, due to cost (free) and the fact that there is already a server admin. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I feel that Timduru may be our best option, I also feel that Mr. Muth has made a good case for NFSN. Linode is good for monetary cost, but needing our own server admin is an incidental cost we might not be able to afford right away. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I'm quite sceptical about vhost providers. They often don't scale well. Mediawiki without shell access can be quite a PITA for certain admin tasks, thus I'm not conviced that NFSN suits us. Timduru, though, is a very reliable and experienced system administrator. [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] 15:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Actually, NFSN does make shells available to their customers.  --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[User:Timduru|Timduru]]: NFSN infrastructure sounds interesting, and based on other sites hosted there it sounds like a good option, it is quite costly though. The main points that worries me about them is that as written in their FAQ, they don't allow processes to run for more than 2 to 5 minutes for shell and 3 minutes for php. Mediawiki maintenance scripts and import / export processes will take more time than that to complete, and we will need to run them on a regular basis. The initial xml import took more than 2.5 hours to complete on my server. Even if we get a DB export, that'll take more than 2 minutes to complete I think. The other aspect written in their FAQ is that it seems they don't expect you to use a lot of ressource as you would do on a dedicated server, otherwise they might cancel your hosting. If these 2 points could be cleared with them so that we are sure we can run a heavy mediawiki there, I think their redundant servers would be better than mine. About Linode it's difficult to know what power we would get, but based on the server specs it might be enough. The good point would be that we have full access to the server too. --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 17:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Unless something really cool pops up re: NFSN, I would be inclined to go with the resource we're more familiar with.  :) [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I haven't got a detailed understanding of the technical requirements, so I won't try to figure out what would be better between NearlyFreeSpeech and Linode. I am uncomfortable with the scenario of being hosted as a favour. [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| We're going to need a server admin no matter which we pick, so we may as well pick one familiar with the server. [[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| As per [[User:Rat|Rat]]'s comments. Also, I agree with [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] as in virtual servers don't scale well; they're meant for starting up, which isn't our case. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I don't really like any of the options presented, but the option for a dedicated server is the one I dislike the least.  The first option isn't bad either, but discouraging the growth of the site is probably a bad idea.  And, with all due respect to Timduru, hosting something like Wikifur on someone's personal server, with a single admin, is a very bad idea.  This is why I didn't offer my hosting services, and I even have active staff besides myself, with more system resources than Timduru's quoted specs.  [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 23:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I will leave the final decision about this matter to more knowledgeable Admins. I can't bring anything to this discussion at present time [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I've read and pondered the pros and cons for each choice, but I just don't have any experience in hosting and maintaining a large website, and I think the decision is best left to those with expert knowledge.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I don't really know a whole lot about servers, the third option has the most advantages in it's favor. And the only thing that I worry about is server stress (streaming) as we continue to grow. This just seems to be the best option available right now. We do of course have the other two as backup options. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Markus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I agree with [[User:Markus|Markus]], in fact I would write something very similar. -- [[User:Xkun|Xkun]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Xkun|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Well, I would essentially rule out NFSN due to the nature of their hosting platform. Reasons for this include: Very limited server access, no possibility to host other services in the future, no persistent processes (which means we'd have to run mediawiki as a pure CGI program, which is very very very slow), and no memcached or squid (which is absolutely needed for WikiFur with it's level of activity). This leaves Timduru's offer and Linode. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now to address my perceived advantages of each: Timduru: cost and setup; Linode: control, scalability, and independence. Timdurus offer, while generous, could be subject to withdrawal for any number of reasons (personal, business, other projects, etc). Dependence on another party would also lessen WikiFur's independence in hosting new and interesting services, and in making configuration changes, or reacting quickly to attacks, and potentially in meeting community demand. However, given all of these limitations you can't beat the cost and currently available capacity, and the real world experience of the administrator. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now for the Linode solution: Linode sells what are essentially computer slices (pieces of bandwidth, storage, memory, and compute time) in variable chunks. The downside to this is that we're limited potentially by the other users of that particular machine. The good news is that we're always guaranteed a certain proportion of time there, so we can't be crowded out and we can run whatever software we need. The bad news is that we also have to provide our own server administrator, setup, and maintenance. However, I don't think this is something we should worry about -- it just means we get to appoint and agree on who should help to run the server. I have previously volunteered to help engineer the move and server administration regardless of the final decision of where we move. Regardless of where we choose to move to, I will always be happy to donate my time and experience to making sure WikiFur always remains online. I believe that the best advantage this arrangement provides is total independence and no conflict of interest with regard to any content we might eventually host. The reason I think Linodes second advantage is scalability is that we can bring additional servers online to meet unexpected demand as we grow and turn them off as needed to save money on costs. I have been a Linode customer (for my personal server) for almost a year and a half now and have absolutely no complaints about their level of service (I stand to gain nothing from recommending them here). In fact, the owner hangs out in their IRC channel and helps out (they've helped me out with some exceedingly tricky setups before). To summarize, I would choose Linode as our primary hosting platform because it provides us with an upfront specification of costs with a guaranteed level of service,quick present support, easy expansion, and complete independence and flexibility. - [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|A preference has been expressed. We shall implement Option 3 (Timduru), bearing in mind the concerns raised above. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plan of action ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting setup ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] will provide hosting for WikiFur on his server. The specifics of the hosting environment are subject to change at any time.&lt;br /&gt;
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The initial server setup includes:&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:PHP|PHP]] 5.x with the [[Wikipedia:Alternative PHP Cache|Alternative PHP Cache]] to speed code execution&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] 1.12&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MySQL|MySQL]] 5.x&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Memcached|Memcached]] to cache temporary objects/sessions&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Squid (software)|Squid]] (or perhaps [[Wikipedia:Varnish cache|Varnish]] later) to cache complete pages&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The server contains one 1.8GHz dual-core Intel processor; this should be more than sufficient for our needs if the above software is used correctly (when streaming, around 20% is used). 2GB RAM is available to the server. Disk space is not expected to be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Maximum server bandwidth is 3TB/month, of which over half is still available. In practice, we are unlikely to use more than a small fraction of this. The server has a 100MBit connection; usable bandwidth to the net is known to be above 30MBit/sec.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Emergency and backup provisions ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] and [[User:Rat|RainRat]] have access to change the wikifur.com domain name in the case that GreenReaper is unavailable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regular backups will be taken, on at least a weekly basis, and made available for public download.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Transfer (provisional) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Wikia shall provide a complete database dump, containing all revisions of all articles (including deleted revisions), and copies of all images. It should be possible to use these backups to directly create a copy of the website.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting agreement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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''In this agreement, the '''Host''' is [[Timduru]], an individual currently residing in [[Wikipedia:France|France]]; '''WikiSystemAdmins''' are [[GreenReaper]], an individual currently residing in the [[Wikipedia:United States of America|United States of America]], and potentially one other person; and '''WikiAdmins''' are those with regular wiki system account access and user-level database access (likely to be a small subset of [[WikiFur:Administrators|WikiFur's administrators]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Host agrees to provide a server environment on which MediaWiki can be hosted, an IP on which it can be accessed, and any server-level configuration necessary to ensure public access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiAdmins access to the server on a level necessary to make changes to WikiFur's software configuration, database and image store. &lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiSystemAdmins [[Wikipedia:Superuser|root access]] to the server's [[Wikipedia:FreeBSD jail|jailed OS]] where WikiFur is hosted. This access should only be used for maintenance tasks not possible with the regular WikiAdmins access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins are in charge of keeping the MediaWiki system, extensions and server components up to date.&lt;br /&gt;
* Additional components can be installed if needed, but they must be cleared by the Host first, and must not be a security risk or materially impact server performance.&lt;br /&gt;
* When possible the Host will provide automated backup processes to WikiFurAdmins. Where automated backups are not possible, WikiFurAdmins have full access to the data and are responsible for backing up the data as they deem necessary. In any case, it is the responsibility of WikiFurAdmins to ensure that the data in their possession is sufficient for restoring WikiFur. The Host cannot be held responsible for any data loss that may occur.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host or WikiFurSystemAdmins may decide to terminate WikiFur hosting at any time and for any reason. If terminated by the Host, WikiFurSystemAdmins will be given one month's notice. The Host will provide necessary assistance in transferring all necessary data from the server. During the notice period, if WikiFur's usage is compromising the normal use of other services on the server, the Host can throttle usage in order to restore those services.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host will make no claim of ownership over the site or its content, other than that which he already has as a WikiFur administrator and editor, nor attempt to modify the site, its database, its associated files or its presentation against the will of WikiFur's administrators, except as required by law (e.g. [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] [[Wikipedia:Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act|takedown requests]]) and maintenance tasks (e.g. database, filesystem, OS).&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins agree to not do anything with their access that could be harmful for the server or its owner, and to respect the Terms of Service of the hosting datacenter (currently [[Wikipedia:The Planet Internet Services|EV1 Servers/The Planet]]).&lt;br /&gt;
* The system jail given for WikiFur's needs is for the sole purpose of hosting MediaWiki and should not be used in other ways without asking the Host first. The system should not initiate outgoing network connections or send spam.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to take reasonable steps to ensure the operation of the wiki from a server perspective, including performing or arranging for timely maintenance of the server's non-jailed system software or hardware when problems arise. The Host is not responsible for problems caused by the datacenter where the server is hosted. The Host will help to solve problems, but is not responsible for damage caused by WikiSystemAdmins or WikiAdmins.&lt;br /&gt;
* As [[Wikipedia:consideration|consideration]], WikiSystemAdmins guarantee the Host will receive assistance with hosting costs up to the percentage of the server's resources used by WikiFur, on an annual basis. For example, if WikiFur used 10% of server resources and server costs were $3000, assistance of $300 would be guaranteed. The initial metric for resource usage shall be bandwidth used by WikiFur as a proportion of the physical server's total permitted server bandwidth. One-off charges, such as the addition of equipment needed primarily to support WikiFur, may be considered separately. Donations to the Host by third parties made on WikiFur's behalf shall be considered part of this assistance.&lt;br /&gt;
* This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the [[Wikipedia:Michigan|State of Michigan]].&lt;br /&gt;
:: /[[User:GreenReaper|Laurence &amp;quot;GreenReaper&amp;quot; Parry]]/ 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I agree with the above terms --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 09:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Explanatory notes ====&lt;br /&gt;
:''These notes do not part of the agreement''&lt;br /&gt;
* The exact form of hosting is not specified to allow the Host some flexibility.&lt;br /&gt;
* Termination of hosting will be performed by WikiSystemAdmins after consulting with the responsible body, currently the group of WikiFur administrators.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:WikiFur]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;float:right&amp;quot;&amp;gt;__TOC__&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;[[WikiFur]] is moving hosts in the near future. This page explains why, and explores the various options available to us.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since its creation in July 2005, WikiFur has been hosted on [[Wikipedia:Wikia|Wikia]], a full-service wiki hosting provider, or [[Wikipedia:Wiki farm|wiki farm]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Wikia is not a charity. It is a for-profit company funded by [[Wikipedia:venture capital|venture capital]]. This has many positive aspects - not least the high performance and availability of WikiFur to date. However, over time, the negative effects have become more evident.&lt;br /&gt;
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On Friday 6 June 2008, Wikia announced that it would be [[Wikia:Wikia's New Style|enforcing a new default skin]] (Monaco) with significantly increased advertising, some of which would [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page intrude into the content area] (in the top-right position normally occupied by a picture or infobox). Users would still be able use other skins by logging in and selecting them in their preferences, but administrators could not select a non-Monaco default for users. &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;They have also [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia%27s_New_Style&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=154688 discarded] a promise made before WikiFur's arrival to [http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Terms_of_use&amp;amp;curid=968&amp;amp;diff=154683&amp;amp;oldid=147678 never host popup ads]&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; (this change was reverted after [[Wikia:Talk:Terms of use#Wikia Farm|further discussion]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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We believe that this new style and level of advertising negatively impacts our readers to an unacceptable level. We also feel that Wikia is asserting an inappropriate level of ownership over the wikis for which it provides services. They have indicated that they want a more cohesive community of wiki sites than we do. These differences of opinion and needs are not likely to be resolved.&lt;br /&gt;
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WikiFur is not the only site to have problems with this - it has [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 1|been]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 2|the]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 3|subject]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 4|of]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style/Archive 5|much]] [[Wikia:Forum:Wikia's New Style|discussion]]. Members of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Finding_alternative_hosting Wookieepedia] (the Star Wars Wiki) and [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving  Teletraan-1] (the Transformers wiki) have come to the conclusion that they need a &amp;quot;plan B&amp;quot;. We concur, and intend to use it as soon as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Administrative support for above statement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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;Support&lt;br /&gt;
*I'm [[GreenReaper]], and [[Wikipedia:I approve this message|I approve this message]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*Agreed. Moving not only frees us from the reigns of Wikia, but opens up numerous new opportunities for WikiFur as a whole. --{{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Agreed.  I think that a move would help us grow and is in our long-term best interests. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* With Wikia's intent now clear, both in their desire to increase monetization by advertising alone rather than by sales of services, and in their desire to claim greater ownership over member wikis, I feel that WikiFur will be best served by moving to an independent host. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I also am strongly in support. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree.  Establishing independence from this sort of money-grubbing is definitely in WikiFur's long-term interest, especially if Wikia's changes lead to attempts at editorial control - a definite no-no for a wiki. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support a move. I dislike pop-ups. I looked at the wikia's communitytest of the Monaco and while I think I could handle one of the Google ad boxes, a double-dose of Google ads at the top of every page looks like it would be ad-heavy. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 04:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Unfortunately, it looks like Wikia won't compromise in its decision so it's necessary to find a new host. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I'm going out to get boxes and parcel tape, pop-ups are just unacceptable and moving to a new server is quite feasible. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* Not giving a choice to the customer (us) means not caring about them. Also, pop-ups make me cringe! Either point is enough for me to want to move. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I agree [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I concur with the reasons stated for finding a new host.  It's been good with Wikia so far, but I don't like where they are heading.  --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* I support the move - finding a new host does seem to be in the best interests of WikiFur's future.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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;Neutral&lt;br /&gt;
I've always been a fan of the wikia style, and look at the pros and cons of the move, I'll just wait and see what happens afterwords. --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow-Fox Kakuretsin]] 07:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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;Oppose&lt;br /&gt;
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;Recuse&lt;br /&gt;
* Currently working for Wikia -- [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things to consider ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Wikia may still maintain a site at furry.wikia.com. This is up to them - the [[Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GFDL]] permits it, although certain images uploaded under different licenses (or none) might not be available for their use.&lt;br /&gt;
** For this reason, please immediately change links to use '''en.wikifur.com''' rather than '''furry.wikia.com'''. The new domain will work both before and after the move.&lt;br /&gt;
* GreenReaper has control over the [[WikiFur:Trade and service marks|WikiFur service mark]], therefore our site will be using it and Wikia will not.&lt;br /&gt;
* A full database backup (not just the XML) and image backup should be available to us. User login details may be available.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current status ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Our images currently occupy 1.4GiB of space. The database page table can be compressed if necessary and in that case should take up less than 100MB. Allowing for reasonable expansion over the next year, we will be at 2GiB.&lt;br /&gt;
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Our total bandwidth use is hard to calculate, but we use about 50GiB a month in CSS and HTML transfer alone. It is not unrealistic to suggest that our total usage might be three times this after images.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Comparison of options ==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the administrative discussion, several options were proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some options that were quickly dismissed:&lt;br /&gt;
* Wikia has indicated that while they might consider an offer of money for hosting, it does not really fit into their business model. WikiFur's administrators felt it would not work on a long-term basis.&lt;br /&gt;
* Other wiki farms were ignored, as we do not believe they will offer a sufficient level of service to justify the additional cost.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Shared hosting (NearlyFreeSpeech.net) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://nearlyfreespeech.net NearlyFreeSpeech.net] is a shared hosting provider with load-balancing. They provide Linux, PHP 5 and MySQL. They host [[Anthrocon]]'s website (and [[GreenReaper]]'s personal site).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* We only pay for what we use - no more, no less&lt;br /&gt;
* Integrated rsync.net option for a low price with no transfer costs&lt;br /&gt;
* Should provide good availability and probably sufficient performance&lt;br /&gt;
* Competent techs willing to &amp;quot;go the extra mile&amp;quot; for the right people (as certified by Giza)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* The costs provide a disincentive to grow our audience and our site:&lt;br /&gt;
** The cost of bandwidth, while great for small sites, becomes uncompetitive quite quickly, even with the [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/hosting.php#pricing long-term bandwith discount]&lt;br /&gt;
** Storage costs are high - $10.00 per GiB/month. No bulk discounts (yet). &lt;br /&gt;
* Limited control over the environment. We can run CGI scripts manually (remote triggered), and there is ssh and [S]FTP, but we can't add or configure OS-level modules ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;
* No ability to run most others kind of servers (no static IP).&lt;br /&gt;
* No [[Wikipedia:memcached|memcached]] (in-memory object caching daemon), which ''could'' severely limit MediaWiki performance&lt;br /&gt;
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;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Storage:''' 2.0 * $10.00 * 12 = $240&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Bandwidth:''' 150 GiB * 12 = 1800 GiB, which [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/bwcalc.php will cost] $479.82. The subsequent year would be $407.12.&lt;br /&gt;
*'''MySQL:''' ($0.01 [base process] + $0.01 [InnoDB table support]) * 365 = $7.30&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Backup:''' 2.0 * $1.40 * 12 = $33.60 (optional)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Total:''' $760.72 for the first year, with backup (varies significantly depending on accurate estimate of bandwidth usage)&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Virtual server (Linode.com) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.linode.com/ Linode] offers Linux virtual servers occupying high-powered machines (quad-core Intel Xeons with RAID-1 disk mirroring), with a certain dedicated amount of memory, storage and bandwidth, and a guaranteed (small) percentage of the real computer's CPU which may increase if other sites are not using their share.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Pros:&lt;br /&gt;
* Even the smallest plan should have sufficient storage for us&lt;br /&gt;
* Location would likely be in [[Wikipedia:New Jersey|New Jersey]], a good compromise for American and worldwide furs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Real IP address, real server inasmuch as we can run what we like on it, full control.&lt;br /&gt;
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;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* MediaWiki can be rather CPU-expensive as an application, and may also strain the memory. We are already close to the limits of the lowest plan. We can buy more RAM and bandwidth, but that will also cost more.&lt;br /&gt;
* We would have to provide our own server administrator and spend more time running the server - time we could be spending improving or promoting the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
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;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''360 plan''' (max sharing: 40, 360MiB RAM, 12/18GiB storage, 200 GiB/month bandwidth: $19.95 * 12 = $239.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
*'''540 plan''' (max sharing: 30, 540MiB RAM, 18/27GiB storage, 300 GiB/month bandwidth: $29.95 * 12 = $359.40 a year&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Use of dedicated server (Timduru) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Timduru]] (our French WikiFur administrator) has offered the use of his dedicated US server (Conroe 3040 dual-core, 2GB RAM, 750GB+500GB HD, 3TB/month, ~1.8TB free - FreeBSD 7.0) hosted at [http://www.theplanet.com/ ThePlanet] in Texas. This is the same one that hosts a number of [[fursuit]]-related sites (e.g. [[The Fursuit Archive]], [[The Fursuit Database]]). It is also a streaming server for the [[Funday PawPet Show]] and [[FursuitTV]].&lt;br /&gt;
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;Pros&lt;br /&gt;
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* Low-latency, relatively high-bandwidth (40MBps+) connectivity with a monthly limit that we are unlikely to max out anytime soon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Server facilities appear [http://www.timduru.org/stats/ relatively unused] despite the existing services. There's plenty of CPU and memory available, even during periods of streaming. Initial tests indicate performance would be very good.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ability to run daemons as required by the site, and perhaps other servers. SSH access. Our own IP.&lt;br /&gt;
* A server administrator who intimately understands both our needs and the server.&lt;br /&gt;
* A backup to his French server can be provided, and potentially activated there in an emergency.&lt;br /&gt;
* The price is unbeatable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Cons:&lt;br /&gt;
* Timduru has been a server administrator for 10 years, but the people he has to rely on to fix problems have sometimes been [http://www.lionking.org/~timduru/status-bestof.html less than fully competent]. While the control situation is now improved (a [[Wikipedia:KVM switch#KVM over IP|remote KVM]] is installed) we would still have to act on any low-level problems via Timduru.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is the potential for degraded network performance during periods of streaming. This does not actually appear to be the case but it is possible that this will occur as viewership continues to increase.&lt;br /&gt;
* Timduru's server is primarily for supporting and promoting fursuiting within the fandom. If push came to shove, WikiFur would be the site to be shoved - gently, with a reasonable time to arrange alternative hosting. (This situation is considered &amp;quot;very unlikely&amp;quot;, as increased supply of bandwidth/storage/etc. has outpaced demand in recent years.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
;Estimated cost:&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Nothing''', unless we required services with a specific cost. However, as a significant user, we might well chip in now and then, and/or direct user donations to help cover yearly costs, which are currently in the $2000-3000 range.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vote ==&lt;br /&gt;
:'''''This vote is now closed. A preference was expressed for Option 3 (Timduru).'''''&lt;br /&gt;
Please indicate your preference by adding your vote to this table. If you have no preference between two options, average your vote. For example, if you preferred one option above two others, vote 1 for the first, and 2.5 for the others.&lt;br /&gt;
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* This vote is of an advisory nature. If there is a clear preference for an option, it will be taken. If not, [[GreenReaper]] will make the final choice.&lt;br /&gt;
* The vote is open to all users, but the votes of administrators may be given more weight.&lt;br /&gt;
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| I believe that Timduru's solution is the most effective in our case. Linode - as documented - will likely have problems running the MediaWiki software and would require an administrator to be available in the area in case something does go awry. NFS is not only expensive, but limited in it's application and control we have over the operating environment. Meanwhile, Timduru's option has the least severe &amp;quot;cons&amp;quot;, while we can be assured that the interests of Timduru and WikiFur are aligned and understandable. And hey, better the devil you know. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 21:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I feel that NFSN is a good First Step, as it is easy to get started and they have a robust environment.  If they fail to meet our needs, then Timduru would be the next best, due to cost (free) and the fact that there is already a server admin. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I feel that Timduru may be our best option, I also feel that Mr. Muth has made a good case for NFSN. Linode is good for monetary cost, but needing our own server admin is an incidental cost we might not be able to afford right away. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Siege|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I'm quite sceptical about vhost providers. They often don't scale well. Mediawiki without shell access can be quite a PITA for certain admin tasks, thus I'm not conviced that NFSN suits us. Timduru, though, is a very reliable and experienced system administrator. [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] 15:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Actually, NFSN does make shells available to their customers.  --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[User:Timduru|Timduru]]: NFSN infrastructure sounds interesting, and based on other sites hosted there it sounds like a good option, it is quite costly though. The main points that worries me about them is that as written in their FAQ, they don't allow processes to run for more than 2 to 5 minutes for shell and 3 minutes for php. Mediawiki maintenance scripts and import / export processes will take more time than that to complete, and we will need to run them on a regular basis. The initial xml import took more than 2.5 hours to complete on my server. Even if we get a DB export, that'll take more than 2 minutes to complete I think. The other aspect written in their FAQ is that it seems they don't expect you to use a lot of ressource as you would do on a dedicated server, otherwise they might cancel your hosting. If these 2 points could be cleared with them so that we are sure we can run a heavy mediawiki there, I think their redundant servers would be better than mine. About Linode it's difficult to know what power we would get, but based on the server specs it might be enough. The good point would be that we have full access to the server too. --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 17:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Unless something really cool pops up re: NFSN, I would be inclined to go with the resource we're more familiar with.  :) [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I haven't got a detailed understanding of the technical requirements, so I won't try to figure out what would be better between NearlyFreeSpeech and Linode. I am uncomfortable with the scenario of being hosted as a favour. [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| We're going to need a server admin no matter which we pick, so we may as well pick one familiar with the server. [[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| As per [[User:Rat|Rat]]'s comments. Also, I agree with [[User:O&amp;amp;#39;wolf|o&amp;amp;#39;wolf]] as in virtual servers don't scale well; they're meant for starting up, which isn't our case. • [[User:Ekevu|Eke'''vu''']] • [[User talk:Ekevu|♥]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ekevu|★]] • 14:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I don't really like any of the options presented, but the option for a dedicated server is the one I dislike the least.  The first option isn't bad either, but discouraging the growth of the site is probably a bad idea.  And, with all due respect to Timduru, hosting something like Wikifur on someone's personal server, with a single admin, is a very bad idea.  This is why I didn't offer my hosting services, and I even have active staff besides myself, with more system resources than Timduru's quoted specs.  [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 23:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I will leave the final decision about this matter to more knowledgeable Admins. I can't bring anything to this discussion at present time [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Abstain. I've read and pondered the pros and cons for each choice, but I just don't have any experience in hosting and maintaining a large website, and I think the decision is best left to those with expert knowledge.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| While I don't really know a whole lot about servers, the third option has the most advantages in it's favor. And the only thing that I worry about is server stress (streaming) as we continue to grow. This just seems to be the best option available right now. We do of course have the other two as backup options. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Markus|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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| I agree with [[User:Markus|Markus]], in fact I would write something very similar. -- [[User:Xkun|Xkun]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Xkun|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|Well, I would essentially rule out NFSN due to the nature of their hosting platform. Reasons for this include: Very limited server access, no possibility to host other services in the future, no persistent processes (which means we'd have to run mediawiki as a pure CGI program, which is very very very slow), and no memcached or squid (which is absolutely needed for WikiFur with it's level of activity). This leaves Timduru's offer and Linode. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now to address my perceived advantages of each: Timduru: cost and setup; Linode: control, scalability, and independence. Timdurus offer, while generous, could be subject to withdrawal for any number of reasons (personal, business, other projects, etc). Dependence on another party would also lessen WikiFur's independence in hosting new and interesting services, and in making configuration changes, or reacting quickly to attacks, and potentially in meeting community demand. However, given all of these limitations you can't beat the cost and currently available capacity, and the real world experience of the administrator. &lt;br /&gt;
:Now for the Linode solution: Linode sells what are essentially computer slices (pieces of bandwidth, storage, memory, and compute time) in variable chunks. The downside to this is that we're limited potentially by the other users of that particular machine. The good news is that we're always guaranteed a certain proportion of time there, so we can't be crowded out and we can run whatever software we need. The bad news is that we also have to provide our own server administrator, setup, and maintenance. However, I don't think this is something we should worry about -- it just means we get to appoint and agree on who should help to run the server. I have previously volunteered to help engineer the move and server administration regardless of the final decision of where we move. Regardless of where we choose to move to, I will always be happy to donate my time and experience to making sure WikiFur always remains online. I believe that the best advantage this arrangement provides is total independence and no conflict of interest with regard to any content we might eventually host. The reason I think Linodes second advantage is scalability is that we can bring additional servers online to meet unexpected demand as we grow and turn them off as needed to save money on costs. I have been a Linode customer (for my personal server) for almost a year and a half now and have absolutely no complaints about their level of service (I stand to gain nothing from recommending them here). In fact, the owner hangs out in their IRC channel and helps out (they've helped me out with some exceedingly tricky setups before). To summarize, I would choose Linode as our primary hosting platform because it provides us with an upfront specification of costs with a guaranteed level of service,quick present support, easy expansion, and complete independence and flexibility. - [[w:User:JSharp|JSharp]] ([[w:User_talk:JSharp|talk]]) &amp;lt;staff /&amp;gt; 04:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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|A preference has been expressed. We shall implement Option 3 (Timduru), bearing in mind the concerns raised above. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plan of action ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting setup ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] will provide hosting for WikiFur on his server. The specifics of the hosting environment are subject to change at any time.&lt;br /&gt;
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The initial server setup includes:&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:PHP|PHP]] 5.x with the [[Wikipedia:Alternative PHP Cache|Alternative PHP Cache]] to speed code execution&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] 1.12&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:MySQL|MySQL]] 5.x&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Memcached|Memcached]] to cache temporary objects/sessions&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wikipedia:Squid (software)|Squid]] (or perhaps [[Wikipedia:Varnish cache|Varnish]] later) to cache complete pages&lt;br /&gt;
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The server contains one 1.8GHz dual-core Intel processor; this should be more than sufficient for our needs if the above software is used correctly (when streaming, around 20% is used). 2GB RAM is available to the server. Disk space is not expected to be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Maximum server bandwidth is 3TB/month, of which over half is still available. In practice, we are unlikely to use more than a small fraction of this. The server has a 100MBit connection; usable bandwidth to the net is known to be above 30MBit/sec.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Emergency and backup provisions ===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] and [[User:Rat|RainRat]] have access to change the wikifur.com domain name in the case that GreenReaper is unavailable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regular backups will be taken, on at least a weekly basis, and made available for public download.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Transfer (provisional) ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Wikia shall provide a complete database dump, containing all revisions of all articles (including deleted revisions), and copies of all images. It should be possible to use these backups to directly create a copy of the website.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Hosting agreement ===&lt;br /&gt;
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''In this agreement, the '''Host''' is [[Timduru]], an individual currently residing in [[Wikipedia:France|France]]; '''WikiSystemAdmins''' are [[GreenReaper]], an individual currently residing in the [[Wikipedia:United States of America|United States of America]], and potentially one other person; and '''WikiAdmins''' are those with regular wiki system account access and user-level database access (likely to be a small subset of [[WikiFur:Administrators|WikiFur's administrators]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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* The Host agrees to provide a server environment on which MediaWiki can be hosted, an IP on which it can be accessed, and any server-level configuration necessary to ensure public access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiAdmins access to the server on a level necessary to make changes to WikiFur's software configuration, database and image store. &lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to provide trusted WikiSystemAdmins [[Wikipedia:Superuser|root access]] to the server's [[Wikipedia:FreeBSD jail|jailed OS]] where WikiFur is hosted. This access should only be used for maintenance tasks not possible with the regular WikiAdmins access.&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins are in charge of keeping the MediaWiki system, extensions and server components up to date.&lt;br /&gt;
* Additional components can be installed if needed, but they must be cleared by the Host first, and must not be a security risk or materially impact server performance.&lt;br /&gt;
* When possible the Host will provide automated backup processes to WikiFurAdmins. Where automated backups are not possible, WikiFurAdmins have full access to the data and are responsible for backing up the data as they deem necessary. In any case, it is the responsibility of WikiFurAdmins to ensure that the data in their possession is sufficient for restoring WikiFur. The Host cannot be held responsible for any data loss that may occur.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host or WikiFurSystemAdmins may decide to terminate WikiFur hosting at any time and for any reason. If terminated by the Host, WikiFurSystemAdmins will be given one month's notice. The Host will provide necessary assistance in transferring all necessary data from the server. During the notice period, if WikiFur's usage is compromising the normal use of other services on the server, the Host can throttle usage in order to restore those services.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host will make no claim of ownership over the site or its content, other than that which he already has as a WikiFur administrator and editor, nor attempt to modify the site, its database, its associated files or its presentation against the will of WikiFur's administrators, except as required by law (e.g. [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] [[Wikipedia:Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act|takedown requests]]) and maintenance tasks (e.g. database, filesystem, OS).&lt;br /&gt;
* The WikiAdmins and WikiSystemAdmins agree to not do anything with their access that could be harmful for the server or its owner, and to respect the Terms of Service of the hosting datacenter (currently [[Wikipedia:The Planet Internet Services|EV1 Servers/The Planet]]).&lt;br /&gt;
* The system jail given for WikiFur's needs is for the sole purpose of hosting MediaWiki and should not be used in other ways without asking the Host first. The system should not initiate outgoing network connections or send spam.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Host agrees to take reasonable steps to ensure the operation of the wiki from a server perspective, including performing or arranging for timely maintenance of the server's non-jailed system software or hardware when problems arise. The Host is not responsible for problems caused by the datacenter where the server is hosted. The Host will help to solve problems, but is not responsible for damage caused by WikiSystemAdmins or WikiAdmins.&lt;br /&gt;
* As [[Wikipedia:consideration|consideration]], WikiSystemAdmins guarantee the Host will receive assistance with hosting costs up to the percentage of the server's resources used by WikiFur, on an annual basis. For example, if WikiFur used 10% of server resources and server costs were $3000, assistance of $300 would be guaranteed. The initial metric for resource usage shall be bandwidth used by WikiFur as a proportion of the physical server's total permitted server bandwidth. One-off charges, such as the addition of equipment needed primarily to support WikiFur, may be considered separately. Donations to the Host by third parties made on WikiFur's behalf shall be considered part of this assistance.&lt;br /&gt;
* This agreement shall be governed by the laws of the [[Wikipedia:Michigan|State of Michigan]].&lt;br /&gt;
:: /[[User:GreenReaper|Laurence &amp;quot;GreenReaper&amp;quot; Parry]]/ 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I agree with the above terms --[[User:Timduru|Timduru]] 09:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Explanatory notes ====&lt;br /&gt;
:''These notes do not part of the agreement''&lt;br /&gt;
* The exact form of hosting is not specified to allow the Host some flexibility.&lt;br /&gt;
* Termination of hosting will be performed by WikiSystemAdmins after consulting with the responsible body, currently the group of WikiFur administrators.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:WikiFur]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: he to the&lt;/p&gt;
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At ninety minutes to midnight, the Hyatt Regency Woodfield's main atrium - newly accented with eeiry colour-shifting LEDs - is packed with furs, tails and fursuits. Old friends greet one another with smiles, laughter, and a more-than-occasional hug. [[Midwest FurFest 2007]] has arrived.&lt;br /&gt;
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Registration opened promptly at 7PM, with badges flying off the printers as fast as staff could call the names out. A total of 649 were registered by the end of the day.&lt;br /&gt;
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As has become customary, Thursday's early arrivals were greeted with a sweet treat, along with a variety of tasty toppings. Somewhat less customarily, the treat consisted of sweet mashed potato. Regular mash was also provided, along with pitchers of kool-aid.&lt;br /&gt;
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While the official schedule doesn't start until Friday, a combination quiz and betting game was in progress down the corridor. The question of the day: &amp;quot;How fast is a speeding cheetah?&amp;quot; (Answer: 65 miles/hour.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just how many fans plan to attend is unknown, but a number well over 1,500 would not be unexpected. Last year's 34% growth - perhaps spurred by the [[Conifur Northwest 2006|cancellation]] of [[Conifur Northwest]] - exceeded the most opitimistic projections, requiring the [[sponsor]] items to be re-ordered. While nobody quite expects this year's growth to equal the last, there are no indications that the event is getting any smaller.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even before this year's event has fully started, plans for next year are underway. Several months ago, the board of [[Midwest Furry Fandom]] chose [[Midwest FurFest 2008]]'s chariman - its current Director of Registration, [[Duncan da Husky]]. His biggest challenge may be dealing with the convention's continued growth. Rumours abound of a move, but whatever he's got in store will only be be revealed at this year's [[closing ceremonies]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Midwest FurFest]] is the third-largest furry [[convention]] in the world, founded in 2000 by members of the furry track at [[Duckon]]. It has been held in [[Wikipedia:Schaumburg, Illinois|Schaumburg, Illinois]], a suburb of [[Wikipedia:Chicago|Chicago]], since 2002.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>Talk:WikiFur Furry Central</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: /* 21st Century Fox was already featured. */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I have protected [[WikiFur Central]], as it is clear that otherwise it's going to continue to get vandalised. You can still edit each section on this page, and I encourage you to do so (assuming you don't intend to vandalise it! :-). However, you must learn how to use templates, first. This will require reading through the [[Help:Contents|help]] and the guide linked from there. Consider this a small competence test before you can edit the first thing people see when they surf here! If you still can't figure it out and want something changed, let me know on user talk or externally, and I can see what I can do.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you have an idea for a better layout of this page (one which ''cannot'' be easily changed through the templates), please construct it somewhere first, and then let myself or another [[Project:Administrators|administrator]] know. I'm sorry for the lack of flexibility here, but sometimes protection is a necessary evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Happy editing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 09:23, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moving to WikiFur Furry Central ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've moved the main page because it turns out that not actually having &amp;quot;Furry&amp;quot; in the name of the main page is a signifcant downer in terms of search optimization strategies. Hopefully this should bring us a little more traffic. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 01:15, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gotcha! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I logged on this morning and thought I was going to have to hunt down and revert a bunch of edits, before I remembered what day it was.  Good one!  --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Help us improve ==&lt;br /&gt;
I vote that the &amp;quot;Help us improve&amp;quot; bar be moved to the top of the right column; otherwise, I think it's not as easily seen when sandwiched between two larger articles. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're right - it's not as easily seen that way. However, I tried that to start with, and I thought that it spoiled the look somewhat when it is was put there, because the Did you know? section gets shifted down one (the uneven headers look bad).&lt;br /&gt;
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:It does give me an idea, though. Originally, we had a &amp;quot;wanted pages&amp;quot; section below the new bar, and above. It got removed because stuff was staying on there too long and it was a pain to update. Still, it was in a good place for attention.&lt;br /&gt;
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:How about we put all of the furpile articles into an expanded &amp;quot;To be improved&amp;quot; category (maybe just by asking people to write a very short stub of them and putting it in stubs), and then use the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList DynamicPageList extension] (already installed) and a [http://alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ modified list style] to display it in a similar way to the other lists? That way there's more chance that people will have something that they can improve on a given day, and articles get more than one chance at improvement. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We might even be able to swing [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList2 DynamicPageList2], which would remove the need for many of the hacks, allow us to include more categories and allow a better ordering for this particular use. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I considered suggesting that the wanted bar be replaced, heh. And with my OCD tendencies, I'd certainly offer to take updating the wanted bar as one of my &amp;quot;jobs&amp;quot;. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ideally, this would be something that was self-maintaining (like the newbar ''should'' be). If that doesn't work out then yes, someone updating it would work as well. I want to try and let people spend as much time on writing articles as possible, if possible. '''*grin*''' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New layout? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not a terribly big fan of the new layout...but I'm going to assume it's still under construction, seeing as how there are 3 columns on the left and only 1 on the right -- which I have now fixed. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 20:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would rather have three on the left and both upcoming events and something else that works well in a small width on the right.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anything specifically that you don't like about it? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The 3-1 column right now makes the page lopsided and too long, in my opinion (unless future featured articles/DYK? are going to have less content). I also don't like the shortened bars - with long titles like &amp;quot;Help us improve&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;New categories&amp;quot;, you can really only see 2-4 items at the most. But if that's the only way to prevent problems on other browsers, I can deal. ;)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Also, should the &amp;quot;Admins - Help&amp;quot; part at the top be centered on the second line, or else the text made smaller so it all fits on one line? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I put a link to Community Central in the main header, and since the new/newcat bars are featured in full there, perhaps they should be removed from the front page? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 00:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks good, GR. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks. I would still like to get the new pages on there somehow. Do users click them, though? I would have thought so, but I don't know for sure . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally, I think it mostly served the purpose of showing &amp;quot;Hey, WikiFur's updating new articles all the time&amp;quot; rather than inducing people to click on them (unless they saw something they related to). Plus, most new pages are tagged as stubs, so they'll get picked up on the Furpile bar as well. I think it looks fine without the newbars on the main page. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 09:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Article of the ____ ==&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps we should just have &amp;quot;Featured article&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Featured comic&amp;quot;, rather than specifying a time period? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Agreed, so long as we don't update them regularly. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think this just means that we (me? :-) shouldn't be so lazy in featuring stuff! The trouble is I get occupied with other tasks and never seem to get an uninterrupted block of time to choose and write up something. :-/ --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 05:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Protected talk page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there a reason this talk page is locked to &amp;quot;users with sysop privileges&amp;quot; only? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I suspect it was to deal with a past spam or vandal problem. I've lowered it to &amp;quot;registered user&amp;quot; level. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Caching ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone else finding the recent (July 31) vandalism on the front page coming up instead of the latest (reverted) version? I suspect I'm hitting a caching mechanism somewhere between here and Wikia, Inc. but I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing this problem. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 21:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If in doubt, go to [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central?action=purge this URL] to clear the cache. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alphabetically by *first* name rather than last? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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People should only be listed according to their first name if they have no given surname. Basic encylopedia rules. And yet I see Fox McCloud under F, Bucky O'Hare under B, and so on and so forth. Any particular reason for this? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's their rules. That's not our rules. :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Many people in the fandom are known under one name, or worse, might have a two-word name but only be commonly known under the firest, so people looking for the first name might not see them. There are few cases where people are better known by their second names - in the cases you gave, people know both their first and second names - so why order by them? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 02:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Um, so, in other words, you're doing it for the benefit of people who don't know how to properly navigate an encyclopedia? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Eh, my apologies if that sounded harsh. This is just a serious pet peeve of mine. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::We're doing it for the benefit of users generally. As I see it, the main reason for sorting people by their last names in regular encyclopedias is that people are generally better-known by their last name, or their last name is important because grouping people by family is important (really two sides of the same coin - in both cases, the objective is easier searching or browsing by last name).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The furry fandom is a community where people tend to be better known to one another by their first names than their last (e.g. [[Deyna T. Otter]], [[Flinthoof Ponypal]], [[Kaijima A. Frostfang]] - and we also have a '''large''' proportion of people with just one name, or with an InterCapped name like my own). Our articles about people tend to be about these people (as opposed to &amp;quot;external&amp;quot; people, like [[memoryalpha:Talk:People|Star Trek]]). A sign of this is that we tend to refer to people by their first names throughout articles, even if they are &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; people (e.g. [[Mark Merlino]], [[Rod O'Riley]]). The number of people with the same last name is very small, and those that are related to one another will usually link to each other (and since wiki is not paper, you don't have to turn lots of pages to get there). Therefore, it seems better to consistently sort by their well-known first name rather than by a last name which they may or may not have, and which people may or may not know.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::All other categories are sorted in this manner, so that means we have a self-consistent categorization system. It also happens to make the lives of editors easier, as they don't have to add reordering tags to 1500+ pages about people (and you know people would forget, or not know how to do it, resulting in pages that are ordered incorrectly).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The main place in which it seems sensible to reorder is when part of their &amp;quot;name&amp;quot; is an honorific, like [[Uncle Kage]] - people would probably expect to find him sorted under Kage rather than Uncle, especially since his &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; nickname is Kagemushi Goro. There are cases (usually with nicknames) in which this might not be the case, like [[Doctor Fennopolis]] or [[Lord Foxhole]]. Again, the ultimate criteria to make it easier to find people, which is the same reason we have the article name be the most common name (especially if people forget to add redirects from alternate names, as often happens).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Regarding your specific point: A '''lot''' of people don't know how to &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; navigate an encyclopedia. Why should we make their lives harder for the sake of a convention that doesn't apply to our group? Being able to tweak the rules to suit our community is one of the benefits of having a separate wiki in the first place, after all. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 09:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Site display problems ==&lt;br /&gt;
It would appear that the new featured wikis strip on the right side of the page is messing up the layout. It's making the navigation strip appear a lot lower than the WikiFur logo, leaving about 400 pixels of space between them. This doesn't happen on all entries, just in some.&lt;br /&gt;
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At first, I thought it was due to Adblock, but it seems to happen when it's deactivated as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Any clue if that can be fixed?--[[User:Kitsune Sniper|Kitsune Sniper]] 22:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We're discussing the problem on the #wikia IRC channel right now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Featured article length ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the featured article and comic as displayed on [[WikiFur Furry Central]] should be shorter. On the displays I use (reasonaly large, with a browser window taking up a good portion of the screen) the featured comic is &amp;quot;below the fold&amp;quot; and easy to miss without scrolling. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just raise your resolution. It's never been too far down for me. --[[User:Akir|Akir]] 23:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Some users are, alas, unable to do that. The situation is improving, but 800x600 users still make up 6.4% of our user base, and 47.4% use 1024x786. We need to consider how the site will look to them. The most obvious improvement would be to remove the &amp;quot;WikiFur Furry Central&amp;quot; at the top, or shift the content up to cover it, as [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia does]]. I will investigate that possibility. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Have tested, now waiting on a Wikia CSS fix so that the thing I want to do will work on IE7. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 03:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::End result - 3 more lines of content gained removing the header on the front page, so it moves up automatically. This will be possible to do with CSS in MediaWiki 1.9 - for now, it will only work for people with Javascript enabled. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 05:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== It's all broken! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The featured article, featured comic and featured image sections are all not appearing correctly. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori Belliachi]] 00:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 21st Century Fox was already featured. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Other than that, I before saw the page featuring FA's article. So, any idea what's going on with the main page? --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow Fox]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:WikiFur_Furry_Central</id>
		<title>Talk:WikiFur Furry Central</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: 21st Century Fox was already featured.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I have protected [[WikiFur Central]], as it is clear that otherwise it's going to continue to get vandalised. You can still edit each section on this page, and I encourage you to do so (assuming you don't intend to vandalise it! :-). However, you must learn how to use templates, first. This will require reading through the [[Help:Contents|help]] and the guide linked from there. Consider this a small competence test before you can edit the first thing people see when they surf here! If you still can't figure it out and want something changed, let me know on user talk or externally, and I can see what I can do.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you have an idea for a better layout of this page (one which ''cannot'' be easily changed through the templates), please construct it somewhere first, and then let myself or another [[Project:Administrators|administrator]] know. I'm sorry for the lack of flexibility here, but sometimes protection is a necessary evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Happy editing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 09:23, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Moving to WikiFur Furry Central ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've moved the main page because it turns out that not actually having &amp;quot;Furry&amp;quot; in the name of the main page is a signifcant downer in terms of search optimization strategies. Hopefully this should bring us a little more traffic. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 01:15, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gotcha! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I logged on this morning and thought I was going to have to hunt down and revert a bunch of edits, before I remembered what day it was.  Good one!  --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Help us improve ==&lt;br /&gt;
I vote that the &amp;quot;Help us improve&amp;quot; bar be moved to the top of the right column; otherwise, I think it's not as easily seen when sandwiched between two larger articles. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're right - it's not as easily seen that way. However, I tried that to start with, and I thought that it spoiled the look somewhat when it is was put there, because the Did you know? section gets shifted down one (the uneven headers look bad).&lt;br /&gt;
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:It does give me an idea, though. Originally, we had a &amp;quot;wanted pages&amp;quot; section below the new bar, and above. It got removed because stuff was staying on there too long and it was a pain to update. Still, it was in a good place for attention.&lt;br /&gt;
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:How about we put all of the furpile articles into an expanded &amp;quot;To be improved&amp;quot; category (maybe just by asking people to write a very short stub of them and putting it in stubs), and then use the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList DynamicPageList extension] (already installed) and a [http://alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ modified list style] to display it in a similar way to the other lists? That way there's more chance that people will have something that they can improve on a given day, and articles get more than one chance at improvement. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We might even be able to swing [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList2 DynamicPageList2], which would remove the need for many of the hacks, allow us to include more categories and allow a better ordering for this particular use. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I considered suggesting that the wanted bar be replaced, heh. And with my OCD tendencies, I'd certainly offer to take updating the wanted bar as one of my &amp;quot;jobs&amp;quot;. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ideally, this would be something that was self-maintaining (like the newbar ''should'' be). If that doesn't work out then yes, someone updating it would work as well. I want to try and let people spend as much time on writing articles as possible, if possible. '''*grin*''' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New layout? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not a terribly big fan of the new layout...but I'm going to assume it's still under construction, seeing as how there are 3 columns on the left and only 1 on the right -- which I have now fixed. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 20:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would rather have three on the left and both upcoming events and something else that works well in a small width on the right.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anything specifically that you don't like about it? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The 3-1 column right now makes the page lopsided and too long, in my opinion (unless future featured articles/DYK? are going to have less content). I also don't like the shortened bars - with long titles like &amp;quot;Help us improve&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;New categories&amp;quot;, you can really only see 2-4 items at the most. But if that's the only way to prevent problems on other browsers, I can deal. ;)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Also, should the &amp;quot;Admins - Help&amp;quot; part at the top be centered on the second line, or else the text made smaller so it all fits on one line? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I put a link to Community Central in the main header, and since the new/newcat bars are featured in full there, perhaps they should be removed from the front page? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 00:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks good, GR. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks. I would still like to get the new pages on there somehow. Do users click them, though? I would have thought so, but I don't know for sure . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally, I think it mostly served the purpose of showing &amp;quot;Hey, WikiFur's updating new articles all the time&amp;quot; rather than inducing people to click on them (unless they saw something they related to). Plus, most new pages are tagged as stubs, so they'll get picked up on the Furpile bar as well. I think it looks fine without the newbars on the main page. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 09:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Article of the ____ ==&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps we should just have &amp;quot;Featured article&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Featured comic&amp;quot;, rather than specifying a time period? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Agreed, so long as we don't update them regularly. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think this just means that we (me? :-) shouldn't be so lazy in featuring stuff! The trouble is I get occupied with other tasks and never seem to get an uninterrupted block of time to choose and write up something. :-/ --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 05:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Protected talk page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there a reason this talk page is locked to &amp;quot;users with sysop privileges&amp;quot; only? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I suspect it was to deal with a past spam or vandal problem. I've lowered it to &amp;quot;registered user&amp;quot; level. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Caching ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone else finding the recent (July 31) vandalism on the front page coming up instead of the latest (reverted) version? I suspect I'm hitting a caching mechanism somewhere between here and Wikia, Inc. but I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing this problem. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 21:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If in doubt, go to [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central?action=purge this URL] to clear the cache. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alphabetically by *first* name rather than last? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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People should only be listed according to their first name if they have no given surname. Basic encylopedia rules. And yet I see Fox McCloud under F, Bucky O'Hare under B, and so on and so forth. Any particular reason for this? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's their rules. That's not our rules. :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Many people in the fandom are known under one name, or worse, might have a two-word name but only be commonly known under the firest, so people looking for the first name might not see them. There are few cases where people are better known by their second names - in the cases you gave, people know both their first and second names - so why order by them? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 02:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Um, so, in other words, you're doing it for the benefit of people who don't know how to properly navigate an encyclopedia? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Eh, my apologies if that sounded harsh. This is just a serious pet peeve of mine. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::We're doing it for the benefit of users generally. As I see it, the main reason for sorting people by their last names in regular encyclopedias is that people are generally better-known by their last name, or their last name is important because grouping people by family is important (really two sides of the same coin - in both cases, the objective is easier searching or browsing by last name).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The furry fandom is a community where people tend to be better known to one another by their first names than their last (e.g. [[Deyna T. Otter]], [[Flinthoof Ponypal]], [[Kaijima A. Frostfang]] - and we also have a '''large''' proportion of people with just one name, or with an InterCapped name like my own). Our articles about people tend to be about these people (as opposed to &amp;quot;external&amp;quot; people, like [[memoryalpha:Talk:People|Star Trek]]). A sign of this is that we tend to refer to people by their first names throughout articles, even if they are &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; people (e.g. [[Mark Merlino]], [[Rod O'Riley]]). The number of people with the same last name is very small, and those that are related to one another will usually link to each other (and since wiki is not paper, you don't have to turn lots of pages to get there). Therefore, it seems better to consistently sort by their well-known first name rather than by a last name which they may or may not have, and which people may or may not know.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::All other categories are sorted in this manner, so that means we have a self-consistent categorization system. It also happens to make the lives of editors easier, as they don't have to add reordering tags to 1500+ pages about people (and you know people would forget, or not know how to do it, resulting in pages that are ordered incorrectly).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The main place in which it seems sensible to reorder is when part of their &amp;quot;name&amp;quot; is an honorific, like [[Uncle Kage]] - people would probably expect to find him sorted under Kage rather than Uncle, especially since his &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; nickname is Kagemushi Goro. There are cases (usually with nicknames) in which this might not be the case, like [[Doctor Fennopolis]] or [[Lord Foxhole]]. Again, the ultimate criteria to make it easier to find people, which is the same reason we have the article name be the most common name (especially if people forget to add redirects from alternate names, as often happens).&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Regarding your specific point: A '''lot''' of people don't know how to &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; navigate an encyclopedia. Why should we make their lives harder for the sake of a convention that doesn't apply to our group? Being able to tweak the rules to suit our community is one of the benefits of having a separate wiki in the first place, after all. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 09:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Site display problems ==&lt;br /&gt;
It would appear that the new featured wikis strip on the right side of the page is messing up the layout. It's making the navigation strip appear a lot lower than the WikiFur logo, leaving about 400 pixels of space between them. This doesn't happen on all entries, just in some.&lt;br /&gt;
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At first, I thought it was due to Adblock, but it seems to happen when it's deactivated as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Any clue if that can be fixed?--[[User:Kitsune Sniper|Kitsune Sniper]] 22:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We're discussing the problem on the #wikia IRC channel right now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Featured article length ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the featured article and comic as displayed on [[WikiFur Furry Central]] should be shorter. On the displays I use (reasonaly large, with a browser window taking up a good portion of the screen) the featured comic is &amp;quot;below the fold&amp;quot; and easy to miss without scrolling. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just raise your resolution. It's never been too far down for me. --[[User:Akir|Akir]] 23:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Some users are, alas, unable to do that. The situation is improving, but 800x600 users still make up 6.4% of our user base, and 47.4% use 1024x786. We need to consider how the site will look to them. The most obvious improvement would be to remove the &amp;quot;WikiFur Furry Central&amp;quot; at the top, or shift the content up to cover it, as [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia does]]. I will investigate that possibility. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Have tested, now waiting on a Wikia CSS fix so that the thing I want to do will work on IE7. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 03:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::End result - 3 more lines of content gained removing the header on the front page, so it moves up automatically. This will be possible to do with CSS in MediaWiki 1.9 - for now, it will only work for people with Javascript enabled. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 05:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== It's all broken! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The featured article, featured comic and featured image sections are all not appearing correctly. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori Belliachi]] 00:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 21st Century Fox was already featured. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Other than that, I before saw the page featuring FA's article. So, any idea what's going on with the main page?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/Drama</id>
		<title>Drama</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: Adding to article.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Drama''', also referred to as '''furry drama''', is a slang term referring to unnecessary emotional turmoil, such as that created through social events or gossip.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another recent slang reference of '''drama''' is when there is a conflicting event is going on between two or more people. Such as insults going back and forth or slanderous activity surrounding various people. Some people involved could be called haters.&lt;br /&gt;
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One who unnecessarily spreads drama can sometimes be referred to as a ''drama [[Wikipedia:llama|llama]]'' and is generally looked down upon in the [[furry fandom]].{{fact}}&lt;br /&gt;
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* [http://www.ljdrama.org/ www.ljdrama.org] - A site that keeps track of various dramas on [[LiveJournal]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Terms]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Kindrift</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: /* Fursona */ Grammar fix.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Cleanup}}&lt;br /&gt;
'''RailFoxen''' (also known as '''Raiya Daimonion''', '''Raiya''', '''Downspin''' and '''Kindrift''') is the acting head administrator of [[SporkMUCK]], a former wizard on [[RunaMUCK]] before it went down, and an administrator at [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Furry involvement ==&lt;br /&gt;
==== Postfurries ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Seen occasionally at the [[Dionysian Scream|D-Scream]] in years past, he was one of the early [[Postfurry|postfurries]], but parted with the community shortly before the creation of [[PuzzleboxMUCK]] in 2002.  His involvement in the postfurry community may have been influenced by the [[wikipedia:Strogg|Strogg]], as his new name is a [[Wikipedia:Quake II|Quake II]] reference.  His feelings about today's fandom can be summed up with the following, personal quote: &amp;quot;''That -is- my hobby. Not a lifestyle, thanks a lot.''&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Fursona ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
RailFoxen's original [[fursona]] is not really a [[fox]], but a [[wolfcat]] or [[kitsune]], although his current one is that of a [[Skunktaur (Chakat-kin)|chakat-kin skunktaur]], but this is to shortly change to an entirely new and original species of staggering originality of his own invention.&lt;br /&gt;
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== RailFoxen and CYD ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Raiya was a forum moderator on CYD under the name '''Railfoxen''' until July 2006 when he decided that he now wished to use the name '''Downspin''' online and spread the story that Railfoxen had been banned from CYD due to &amp;quot;a slight legal emergency&amp;quot;, the precise details of which were never specified. It is believed that this was done in order to fool people whom he had harassed online. Downspin assumed Railfoxen's duties as forum moderator immediately after Railfoxen's &amp;quot;banning&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2251&amp;amp;postdays=0&amp;amp;postorder=asc&amp;amp;highlight=downspin&amp;amp;start=0 '' RailFoxen? Downspin?''] - CYD forum thread on Railfoxen's &amp;quot;ban&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and later changed his forum handle to '''Kindrift'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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CYD administrator [[Mitch]] asserted on [[Chibiabos]]'s Talk page&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Chibiabos Mitch's comment on Railfoxen further non-involvement with CYD,] posted on Chibiabos' Talk Page&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; that RailFoxen was no longer associated with CYD, but the fact that he made an apparent newcomer to CYD such as Downspin/Kindrift a moderator immediately upon joining CYD casts doubt on the veracity of this statement and suggests that at the very least Downspin was someone known to him. Further doubt is cast by the fact that CYD published an article by Railfoxen on October 1st 2006, four months after he had ostensibly been banned.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show/chi &amp;quot;Chibiabos: Distored Prose&amp;quot;] - CYD article about Chibiabos by Railfoxen&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Controversy==&lt;br /&gt;
==== CYD ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While posting on CYD under the name of RailFoxen, Raiya actively stalked and harassed furs, even to the extent of making unsubstantiated sexual allegations&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1967 ''Massive Wankery''] - CYD forum thread by Railfoxen about Chibiabos sexual behavior&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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==== Wikifur ====&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He has expressed strong sentiments against Wikifur&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54877 ''WikiFur: A Game''] - CYD forum thread on Railfoxen's opinions on Wikifur&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and also expressed the view that furry artists are all [[pornography|pornographers]] (specifically, &amp;quot;the people souless enough to continue to sell their dignity for profit.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=56485&amp;amp;highlight=#56485 ''Uh oh, furry fandom still growing''] - CYD forum thread. Railfoxen: furry artists=pornographers&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;). &lt;br /&gt;
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==== Homosexuality ====&lt;br /&gt;
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He has additionally expressed criticism of the gay community:&lt;br /&gt;
{{q|But of course any sort of criticism to the gay community - who invented drama - is going to meet a limp-wristed backlash&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1998 ''Triggur hates flamboyantly gay people?''] - CYD forum thread on Railfoxen's opinions on Homosexuality&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Zoophilia ====&lt;br /&gt;
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He has also expressed anti-zoo sentiments, making statements about individuals on several CYD threads and even threats to visit those who he accuses of dog rape. The purpose of his hypothetical trip was never specified, although he suggested that it might involve an illegal act: {{q|You know, fuck it, and fuck (Ebonlupus). [...] You can see the scratches in the wall of his bedroom where his dogs tried to escape.  The man didn't last more than a week roughing it in his own back yard. [...] Now Ebon lives in his bedroom, sucking potassium out of his monitor and living off the dole. [...] Given, a minor tweak in our country's legal code, and I'd be taking a weekend off. We border southern Oregon. It's convenient&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52594&amp;amp;highlight=#52594 ''Older than Internets''] - CYD forum thread on Railfoxen's insinuations about Ebonlupus&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Chibiabos ====&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Chibiabos]] alleges that Raiya has pursued him for some time on FurryMUCK, claiming in the PG-rated public room [[West Corner of The Park (location)|WCOTP]] that he &amp;quot;rapes dogs.&amp;quot;  Chibiabos also claims that Raiya actively stalked and harassed furs on such venues as [[FurryMUCK]] while a member of CYD, and even that he threatened to kill people, though others disagree with some of these statements.{{fact}}  &lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Contributor|Downspin}}&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://railfoxen.livejournal.com/ ''AHK//Death Magick for Adepts''] - Railfoxen's LiveJournal&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://kindrift.livejournal.com/ ''American Hell Kitsune''] - Kindrift's LiveJournal&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;amp;u=307 Railfoxen's] CYD profile&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;amp;u=794 Kindrift's] CYD profile&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:People]][[Category:Wizards]][[Category:Anti-furries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wolf-hybrid characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Cat-hybrid characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Kitsune characters]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-08-03T20:14:26Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: Edited furcode&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I tend to change my fox colors only by slight bits. I'm a nice guy once you get to know me. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCFm2acdrsw A+ C++ D++ H+ M- P R+ T+ W Z Sm# RLU a- cn++ d+ e- f h* iwf+++ j+ p+ sm#}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica</id>
		<title>News talk:'Entourage' portrays furry erotica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica"/>
				<updated>2007-07-30T20:42:52Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we're starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex? ~Shadow Fox&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Because, unfortunately, sex sells. ''Entourage'' is all about entertaining people, not educating them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Either way, you should understand what I'm getting at. First impressions stick usually. ~Shadow Fox&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Well, why don't we try and make a better second and third impression. [[User:Slinking ferret|Slinking ferret]] 20:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wise guy--er, ferret. ;9 ~Shadow Fox&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica</id>
		<title>News talk:'Entourage' portrays furry erotica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica"/>
				<updated>2007-07-30T20:32:53Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we're starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex? ~Shadow Fox&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Because, unfortunately, sex sells. ''Entourage'' is all about entertaining people, not educating them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Either way, you should understand what I'm getting at. First impressions stick usually. ~Shadow Fox&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica</id>
		<title>News talk:'Entourage' portrays furry erotica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica"/>
				<updated>2007-07-30T20:31:44Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we're starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex? ~Shadow Fox&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Because, unfortunately, sex sells. ''Entourage'' is all about entertaining people, not educating them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Either way, you should understand what I'm getting at. First impressions stick usually.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica</id>
		<title>News talk:'Entourage' portrays furry erotica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica"/>
				<updated>2007-07-30T20:19:39Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we're starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex? ~Shadow Fox&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica</id>
		<title>News talk:'Entourage' portrays furry erotica</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/News_talk:%27Entourage%27_portrays_furry_erotica"/>
				<updated>2007-07-30T20:18:51Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: New page: Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex?        ~Shadow Fox&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Okay, this is the last thing we need from the public right when we starting to get good p.r. Why must it always be about sex?        ~Shadow Fox&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-07-16T07:50:03Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I tend to change my fox colors only by slight bits. I'm a nice guy once you get to know me. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdmrsw A+ C++ D++ H+ M- P R+ T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf+++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-06-25T03:52:19Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I tend to change my fox colors only by slight bits. I'm a nice guy once you get to know him. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdmrsw A+ C++ D++ H+ M- P R+ T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf+++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-06-25T03:50:03Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I tend to change my fox colors onyl by slight bits. I'm a nice guy once you get to know him. My article will explain more than this user page of mine.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdmrsw A+ C++ D++ H+ M- P R+ T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf+++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-04-09T21:51:50Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdmrsw A+ C++ D++ H+ M- P R+ T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf+++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User_talk:Spaz_Kitty</id>
		<title>User talk:Spaz Kitty</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User_talk:Spaz_Kitty"/>
				<updated>2007-04-08T04:36:10Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: /* I was doing category rearrangement and testing. */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;* '''[[User talk:SpazKitty/Archive1|Archive: February - August 2006]]'''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''It isn't necessary to copy a conversation to my talk page as well - I watch for replies on the original talk page.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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== Erm... why...? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did you revert to the out of date version of [[Tori]]? The information, images and one of the three links were all out of date! {{unsigned|Robomilk}}&lt;br /&gt;
:My bad; I saw you had removed the contributor template from [[User:Robomilk]] and the same on [[Tori]], and rather than noticing all the other changes, I selectively saw just the removed tags. I reverted back to your edits and added in the contributor tag. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 15:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Deletion of talk pages for excluded persons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Talk pages of excluded persons should not be deleted. Often they contain the very reasoning which justifies the exclusion. I would tend only to remove personal information that would rightly have been in the article if it were not excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== RSS readers ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I found [http://www.feedreader.com/ this] reader program for [[wikipedia:Windows|Windows]]. Hope that helps! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 03:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pendragon Entertainment ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You might want to leave cases like [[Pendragon Entertainment]] as a redirect to help people find the main article. Anyway, I've found information that they've done more than just [[High Tail Hall]], so maybe I'll jot down what I've found so far. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== More Nicodemuses ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for adding to the Nicodemus disambiguation. I expected there to be more. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 03:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animal multiplayer worlds ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[Category talk:Multiplayer worlds]], I've proposed [[:Category:Animal multiplayer worlds]] to contain or replace [[:Category:Wildlife multiplayer worlds]]. I thought you might want to comment. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OK, Maybe Not On Hiatus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Heh. I was hoping no one would notice ;-) Thanks for catching that. ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anubis ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When renaming pages, use the &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; tab instead of copy and pasting. For instance, a move could have been used to rename &amp;quot;Anubis&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Anubis (god)&amp;quot;. Using &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; instead of copy and pasting preserves the edit history of the article. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 11:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What did you revert me for? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What I said in [[Wolf's Rain]] was the truth, both about the series and wolves in general.  Stop denying it just because you are a furry, damnit. {{unsigned|88.106.133.67}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I reverted you because of vandalism. You have now been blocked for repeated vandalism after your warning. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clean-up of Feila article ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd be more than happy to clean-up the Feila article, but I'm not really sure what you want me to fix. The link in the clean-up box goes to a dead page. Suggestions? --[[User:RabidFox|RabidFox]] 15:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For one, it has no categories. Two, the image at the bottom would be better placed as right-aligned alongside the mascot text. It also needs to be Wikified (&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[links]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; set where applicable, ie names). There may be some minor other edits needed, but those are the primary things. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Categories? I am afraid that I do not understand what you mean, considering that it seems that the article is already organized in such a manner. Perhaps you could be a little more specific? As for the mascot image, I have tried to right-align it several times, but I cannot do so without interrupting the following, unrelated section. Is there a way to do this without interfering into an inappropriate section, or should I do so regardless? --[[User:RabidFox|RabidFox]] 05:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Categories such as [[:Category:Forums]], which I have added. I have cleaned up the article to remove 'fluff' and to properly Wikify it. You are free to continue editing it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 14:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ctrl-C ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not entirely sure why you reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ctrl-C&amp;amp;curid=3690&amp;amp;diff=121200&amp;amp;oldid=44936 this]... [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not furry related, nor is it a disambiguation page. Even on the latter, it wouldn't be necessary. I highly doubt someone looking to know what Ctrl+C does on a computer would go to a furry wiki. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 01:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Halfshell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Talk:Halfshell#Current Issues|A question for you]] . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I was doing category rearrangement and testing. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As the title says, I was doing that so, my apologies for flooding the recent updates.&lt;br /&gt;
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~Shadow Fox&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User_talk:Spaz_Kitty</id>
		<title>User talk:Spaz Kitty</title>
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				<updated>2007-04-08T04:35:35Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: I was doing category rearrangement and testing.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;* '''[[User talk:SpazKitty/Archive1|Archive: February - August 2006]]'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''It isn't necessary to copy a conversation to my talk page as well - I watch for replies on the original talk page.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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== Erm... why...? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did you revert to the out of date version of [[Tori]]? The information, images and one of the three links were all out of date! {{unsigned|Robomilk}}&lt;br /&gt;
:My bad; I saw you had removed the contributor template from [[User:Robomilk]] and the same on [[Tori]], and rather than noticing all the other changes, I selectively saw just the removed tags. I reverted back to your edits and added in the contributor tag. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 15:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Deletion of talk pages for excluded persons ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Talk pages of excluded persons should not be deleted. Often they contain the very reasoning which justifies the exclusion. I would tend only to remove personal information that would rightly have been in the article if it were not excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== RSS readers ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I found [http://www.feedreader.com/ this] reader program for [[wikipedia:Windows|Windows]]. Hope that helps! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 03:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pendragon Entertainment ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You might want to leave cases like [[Pendragon Entertainment]] as a redirect to help people find the main article. Anyway, I've found information that they've done more than just [[High Tail Hall]], so maybe I'll jot down what I've found so far. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== More Nicodemuses ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for adding to the Nicodemus disambiguation. I expected there to be more. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 03:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Animal multiplayer worlds ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[Category talk:Multiplayer worlds]], I've proposed [[:Category:Animal multiplayer worlds]] to contain or replace [[:Category:Wildlife multiplayer worlds]]. I thought you might want to comment. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OK, Maybe Not On Hiatus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Heh. I was hoping no one would notice ;-) Thanks for catching that. ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anubis ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When renaming pages, use the &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; tab instead of copy and pasting. For instance, a move could have been used to rename &amp;quot;Anubis&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Anubis (god)&amp;quot;. Using &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; instead of copy and pasting preserves the edit history of the article. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 11:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What did you revert me for? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What I said in [[Wolf's Rain]] was the truth, both about the series and wolves in general.  Stop denying it just because you are a furry, damnit. {{unsigned|88.106.133.67}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I reverted you because of vandalism. You have now been blocked for repeated vandalism after your warning. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clean-up of Feila article ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd be more than happy to clean-up the Feila article, but I'm not really sure what you want me to fix. The link in the clean-up box goes to a dead page. Suggestions? --[[User:RabidFox|RabidFox]] 15:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For one, it has no categories. Two, the image at the bottom would be better placed as right-aligned alongside the mascot text. It also needs to be Wikified (&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[links]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; set where applicable, ie names). There may be some minor other edits needed, but those are the primary things. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Categories? I am afraid that I do not understand what you mean, considering that it seems that the article is already organized in such a manner. Perhaps you could be a little more specific? As for the mascot image, I have tried to right-align it several times, but I cannot do so without interrupting the following, unrelated section. Is there a way to do this without interfering into an inappropriate section, or should I do so regardless? --[[User:RabidFox|RabidFox]] 05:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Categories such as [[:Category:Forums]], which I have added. I have cleaned up the article to remove 'fluff' and to properly Wikify it. You are free to continue editing it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 14:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ctrl-C ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Not entirely sure why you reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ctrl-C&amp;amp;curid=3690&amp;amp;diff=121200&amp;amp;oldid=44936 this]... [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's not furry related, nor is it a disambiguation page. Even on the latter, it wouldn't be necessary. I highly doubt someone looking to know what Ctrl+C does on a computer would go to a furry wiki. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 01:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Halfshell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Talk:Halfshell#Current Issues|A question for you]] . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 23:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I was doing category rearrangement and testing. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As the title says, I was doing that so, my apologies for flooding the recent updates.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2007-04-08T03:49:19Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdr A+ C++ D+ H+ M- P R T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2007-04-08T03:49:02Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdr A+ C++ D+ H+ M- P R T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{User Sheezyart}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-04-08T03:44:23Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdr A+ C++ D+ H+ M- P R T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-04-08T03:42:39Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:deviantART Wikifurries]][[Category:Fur Affinity Wikifurries]][[Category:LiveJournal Wikifurries]][[Category:Midwest FurFest Wikifurries]][[Category:Wikifurries who watch the Funday Pawpet Show]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-04-08T03:14:13Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
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				<updated>2007-04-08T03:10:26Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdr A+ C++ D+ H+ M- P R T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- cn+ d+ e- f+ h* iwf++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{User Midwest FurFest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-04-08T03:06:16Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
{{furcode|FCF3acdr A+ C++ D+ H+ M- P R T+ W Z Sm S- RLU a- c++ d+ e- f+ h* iwf++ j+ p+ sm}}&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{User Midwest FurFest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2007-03-21T02:51:59Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
{{User Midwest FurFest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2006-12-03T04:59:18Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;He's a brownish gold fox of the furry community. He's a nice guy once you get to know him. Be sure to see his article.&lt;br /&gt;
* Email: [mailto:ultimam2@gmail.com ultimam2@gmail.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
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{{ContributorU}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>//en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Fox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:Shadow_Fox"/>
				<updated>2006-09-03T21:52:16Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Fox: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{ContributorU}}&lt;br /&gt;
Be sure to see his user page. He's pretty much the sole silver fox of the furry community and we mean only silver and white for the fur color. He's a nice guy once you get to know him.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Fox</name></author>	</entry>

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