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Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb

2018-02-13T16:22:17Z

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[[Image:Inherit the Earth Rif head.png|right|Rif, hero of ''Inherit the Earth'']]
'''Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb''' was an adventure game, originally released in 1994, similar in style to [[Wikipedia:SCUMM|Lucasarts]] games. It featured a 100% [[furry]] cast, as well as graphics from [[Reed Waller]] of ''[[Omaha the Cat Dancer]]''. It was originally developed by [[Wikipedia:The Dreamers Guild|The Dreamer's Guild]] for Mac OS 6, Amiga and DOS, with a 2004 re-release for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. It is currently being distributed as a multi-platform CD by [[Wyrmkeep Entertainment]]. A [[Wikipedia:Pocket PC|Pocket PC]] version was released in 2007, and an [[Wikipedia:iPhone|iPhone]] version in 2009.

== Plot ==

The game starts with a history of why the "Morphs", anthropomorphic characters, currently populate the world. It was said that the humans taught the animals how to stand on their hind legs and speak their languages amongst other things. Then for some reason, the humans disappeared with no reason left as to why. Perhaps they knew something they didn't want the animals to know...

We then join the hero of the game, Rif, a red fox, whilst he is in a competition at a faire. Suddenly, the news is broken that the Orb of Storms, a device which told the morphs about inpending weather, had been stolen. Accusations are thrown to potential suspects until finally, the blame is placed on the innocent Rif. Simply down to the fact that the Fox tribe were known for their cunning and could easily have stolen it.

Rif is now forced to return the Orb and to make sure that he did, the Boar King (another tribe), took his mate Rhene, a red vixen, hostage and Sergeant Okk of the boar tribe and Lieutenant Eeah of the Elk tribe were sent along to help Rif on his quest...

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In the game, you must guide Rif the [[Fox]] in a quest to find the Orb of Storms, which has been stolen. The world is populated by ''Morphs'', [[anthropomorphic]] [[character]]s which are said to have been given intelligence by [[human]]s in the distant past.

== Game credits ==

''Note: These are credits for the original version. For credits of the Wyrmkeep Entertainment version and photographs (including many of the people below), see [http://www.wyrmkeep.com/ite/authors.html their page].''

* Director: [[David Joiner]]
* Assistant Director: [[Allison Hershey]]
* Producer: [[Walter Hochbrueckner]]
* Executive Producer: [[Robert McNally]]
* 2nd Executive Producer: [[Jon Van Caneghem]]
* Production Management: [[Mark Caldwell]], [[Scott McDaniel]]
* Screenplay: [[Robert Leh]]
* Original Concept: Robert McNally, [[Joe Pearce]], David Joiner
* Additional Story Material: [[Katherine Lawrence]], [[Bill Rotsler]], [[Len Wein]]
* Game and World Design: [[Carolly Hauksdottir]], Robert McNally, David Joiner
* Music and Sound: [[Matt Nathan]]
* CD-ROM Voice Production: [[Simon Prescott]]
* Voices: [[Robert Axelrod]], [[Louise Chamis]], [[Ellyn Epcar]], [[Richard Epcar]], [[Eddie Frierson]], [[Kathy Garver]], [[Melora Harte]], [[Steve Kramer]], [[Catherine Luciani]], [[B.G. Mills]], [[Ryan O'Flanagan]], [[Mike Reynolds]], [[Michael J. Sorich]], [[Doug Stone]], [[Wendee Swan]], [[Chesley Uxbridge]], [[Jeff Winkless]], and others
* Animators: [[Brian Dowrick]], [[Lisa Iennaco]], [[April Lee]], [[Glenn Price]], [[Reed Waller]]
* Background Art: [[Allison Hershey]], [[Edward Lacabanne]], David Joiner
* Choreography: [[Robert Wiggins]]
* Programming: [[Walter Hochbrueckner]], David Joiner
* Additional Programming: [[Joe Burks]]
* Additional Utilities: [[Mark Caldwell]], [[John Clark]], [[Mark Iennaco]], [[Joe Pearce]]
* SAGA Scripting Language: David Joiner
* Character Design Artists: [[Eric Blumrich]], [[Heidi Guedel]], Lisa Iennaco, [[Ed Kline]], [[Edward Lacabanne]], [[April Lee]], [[Monika Livingston]], David Joiner
* Playtest Manager: [[Mario Escamilla]]
* Testers: [[Hollis Hill]], [[Steve McNally]], [[Jeff Narvid]], [[Peter Ryu]], [[David Vela]], [[Jean-Marc Zuczek]]
* Reality Check: Carolly Hauksdottir, Lisa Iennaco, Mark Iennaco
* Cover Art: [[Alicia Austin]]
* Manual Layout: [[Richard Espy]]
* Manual Art: [[April Lee]]
* Special Thanks To: [[Michael Breault]], [[Jack Cavenaugh]], [[Curtis Norris]], [[Terrie Smith]]

== Trivia ==
* A magic hat can be obtained close to the start of the game which allows the user to transport to any scene and contains all key objects.<ref>[http://www.furryvideogames.org/ite-easteregg.html Inherit the Earth easter egg], Furry Videogame database (16 April 2000)</ref>
* ''Inherit the Earth'' was intended to be a trilogy, but the series was cut short by creative disagreements between developer and publisher.<ref>[http://www.furryvideogames.org/int_lj.html Furry Videogames Database interview] with [[Lisa Jennings]] (15 November 1998)</ref><ref>[http://www.furryvideogames.org/ Furry Videogames Database interview] with [[Talin]] (16 April 2000)</ref>

== See also ==
* [[Inherit the Earth (comic)]]
* ''[[Wikipedia:Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb|Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb]]'' at Wikipedia

== References ==
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== External links ==

* [http://www.wyrmkeep.com/ite/index.html Official home page and purchase information]
* [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/inherit-the-earth-quest-for-the-orb Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb] at MobyGames (includes [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/inherit-the-earth-quest-for-the-orb/trivia interesting trivia])
* [http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?name=Inherit+The+Earth Inherit the Earth: Quest for the Orb] at Home of the Underdogs
* [http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3607 Review] by [[Gunther]]
* [http://iphsoft.com/ite.html iPhone version] at iPhSoft
* [http://www.adventuregamers.com/articles/view/17630 Review] and [http://www.adventuregamers.com/articles/view/17628 interview of Joe Pearce] at AdventureGamers.com

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Category:Comics

2005-08-22T02:43:50Z

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The category of "Comics" includes webcomics, newspaper comics, printed comics, comic books, and graphic novels, because the lines between these categories can easily blur.

== Comics to add ==

If you can think of a comic that deserves writing about, add it in here, and maybe someone will. Don't let that stop '''you''' writing about a comic, including your own!

<table valign="top">
<tr><td> A-D</td><td> E-L</td><td> M-R</td><td> S-Z</td>
<tr valign="top"><td>
* [[21st Century Fox]]
* [[A Roo'd Awakening]]
* [[Accidental Centaurs]]
* [[Achewood]]
* [[The Adventures of Fifine]]
* [[Alice Otter]]
* [[Anthros & Dungeons]]
* [[Aozora: Into the Imagiation]]
* [[Badly Drawn Kitties]]
* [[Black Tapestries]]
* [[Boston and Shaun]]
* [[The Changing Workplace]]
* [[Circles]]
* [[Clan of the Cats]]
* [[Coyote River]]
* [[Coyoteville]]
* [[Creature]]
* [[Dela the Hooda]]
* [[Digger]]
* [[A Doemain of our Own]]
* [[Dragon Tails]]
</td><td>
* [[Freefall]]
* [[Freighter Tails]]
* [[Fur Will Fly]]
* [[Gold Digger]]
* [[House of LSD]]
* [[Inherit the Earth]]
* [[Inverloch]]
* [[i.s.o]]
* [[Lang Lang]]
* [[Las Lindas]]
* [[Latex Blue]]
* [[Little Dee]]
* [[Living in Greytown]]
</td><td>
* [[Maus]]
* [[The Mynarski Forest]]
* [[Nautilos]]
* [[Night Shift]]
* [[No Angel]]
* [[Oren's Monastry]]
* [[Otter Island]]
* [[Ozy and Millie]]
* [[Peter Is the Wolf]]
* [[Poisoned Minds]]
* [[Reality Check]]
* [[Roo'd Awakening]]
* [[Roomies]]
</td><td>
* [[Shayla the Pink Mouse]]
* [[Six Pack of Otters]]
* [[Starfire Agency]]
* [[Stolen Generation]]
* [[Suicide For Hire]]
* [[Supermegatopia]]
* [[Tales of the Questor]]
* [[Terinu]]
* [[Twokinds]]
* [[Undone]]
* [[Untitled!]]
* [[Usagi Yojimbo]]
* [[Vinci and Arty]]
* [[Wereworld]]
* [[Whiteboard]]
* [[Wild Frontier]]
* [[The World of Vicki Fox]]
* [[Zoo City]]
</td></tr></table>
Some comics have [[Wikipedia:Category:Furry comics|entries at wikipedia]] that could be used - if you do, remember to put <nowiki>{{Wikipedia|name_of_their_page}}</nowiki> on your page. Also, see The [[Belfry WebComics Index]] at [[The Belfry Webworks]].
[[Category:Culture]]

File:Cumbriaoverview.png

2005-08-21T07:42:28Z

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A national map of the fictional Furry country of [[Cumbria]], created by [[Seth C Triggs]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:41:37Z

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Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with the real-life district of the United Kingdom, [[Wikipedia:Cumbria|Cumbria]], so there may be a bit of confusion when reading things that refer to either Cumbria.

A guide to the fictional Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:40:54Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with the real-life district of the United Kingdom, [[Wikipedia:Cumbria|Cumbria]], so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:40:43Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with the real-life district of the United Kingdom, [[Wikipedia:Cumbria Cumbria]], so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

User talk:Sethtriggs

2005-08-21T07:40:02Z

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Welcome to WikiFur, and thanks for submitting your logo to the contest! I hope you have fun editing here - let me know on my user talk page if you need anything not covered by the [[Help:Contents|help]]. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:21, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hehe, sorry, didn't realise [[Cumbria]] was a real place . . . fake place . . . whatever. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:37, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It's bizarre! I'm trying to make the disambiguation for it by adding a link to the Wikipedia article for the real Cumbria. (I couldn't think of another name when I devised it originally.) But Cumbria for BiBP would be a fictional location.

-Seth

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:36:07Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with the real-life district of the United Kingdom, [[Wikipedia:Cumbria]], so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:35:36Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with the real-life district of the United Kingdom, [[Wikicities:Cumbria]], so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T07:34:20Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with a real-life district of the United Kingdom, so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]
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[[Category:Fictional locations]]

Buddies in Big Places

2005-08-21T07:31:58Z

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'''Buddies in Big Places''' by [[Seth Triggs|Seth C. Triggs]] is a daily updated mixed genre furry comic dealing with the times and lives of the denizens of [[Cumbria]], a fictional Furry country set in an alternate universe. Mostly it revolves around a squirrel by the name of Reynard Barrie and his friends and family, though it extends to an extrodinary cast of characters. It wraps sardonic and British dry humor with impossible and inventive situations, but stories are often insightful and interesting looks at the issues we face in the world today. While some of it seems too strange to be possible, Seth says most of his inspiration for stories and characters is drawn from real life situations and real people!

* '''Website''': http://www.bibp.com/

As of this writing, Seth has over 1500 strips done to date and many more archived. It is most definately one of the most reliably updated comics on the net, and is sure to be around for many years to come.

The webcomic [[Coons]] takes place years later in the same story setting and includes some of the same characters in supporting roles.

[[Category:Comics]]

CIB

2005-08-21T07:30:11Z

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'''''CIB Comics''''' is the crime-drama sister comic to [[Buddies in Big Places]] (BiBP). It features the Cumbrian Investigative Bureau (the federal branch of [[Cumbria|Cumbrian]] law enforcement) in various cases, and stories both in and outside of law enforcement. The story is by [[Stormwarden]], while the artwork is drawn by [[Seth C Triggs]].

== External links ==

* ''[http://www.bibp.com/cib CIB Comics]''

[[Category:Comics]]

CIB

2005-08-21T05:19:14Z

Sethtriggs:

CIB Comics is the crime-drama sister comic to [[Buddies in Big Places]] (BiBP). It features the Cumbrian Investigative Bureau (the federal branch of [[Cumbria|Cumbrian]] law enforcement) in various cases, and stories both in and outside of law enforcement.

The URL is: http://www.bibp.com/cib

Cumbria

2005-08-21T05:15:28Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with a real-life district of the United Kingdom, so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs (118 KB)
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T05:15:11Z

Sethtriggs:

Cumbria is the fictional setting of the webcomics [[Buddies in Big Places]] and [[Coons]]. It is part of a [[furry]]-only alternate universe (on a different planet with different geography than Earth.) It shares its name with a real-life district of the United Kingdom, so there may be a bit of confusion when reading the comics.

A guide to Cumbria exists at http://cumbria.bibp.com .

'''Map of Cumbria''' by Seth C Triggs
[[Image:cumbriaoverview.png]]

File:Cumbriaoverview.png

2005-08-21T05:14:02Z

Sethtriggs: A national map of the fictional Furry country of Cumbria, created by Seth C Triggs

A national map of the fictional Furry country of Cumbria, created by Seth C Triggs

Category:Comics

2005-08-21T05:12:37Z

Sethtriggs: /* Comics to add */

The category of "Comics" includes webcomics, newspaper comics, printed comics, comic books, and graphic novels, because the lines between these categories can easily blur.

== Comics to add ==

If you can think of a comic that deserves writing about, add it in here, and maybe someone will. Don't let that stop '''you''' writing about a comic, including your own!

<table valign="top">
<tr><td> A-D</td><td> E-L</td><td> M-R</td><td> S-Z</td>
<tr valign="top"><td>
* [[2 Way Mirror]]
* [[21st Century Fox]]
* [[A Roo'd Awakening]]
* [[Accidental Centaurs]]
* [[Achewood]]
* [[The Adventures of Fifine]]
* [[Alice Otter]]
* [[Anthros & Dungeons]]
* [[Aozora: Into the Imagiation]]
* [[Badly Drawn Kitties]]
* [[Black Tapestries]]
* [[Boston and Shaun]]
* [[The Changing Workplace]]
* [[CIB]]
* [[Circles]]
* [[Clan of the Cats]]
* [[Coyote River]]
* [[Coyoteville]]
* [[Creature]]
* [[Dela the Hooda]]
* [[Digger]]
* [[A Doemain of our Own]]
* [[Dragon Tails]]
</td><td>
* [[Freefall]]
* [[Freighter Tails]]
* [[Fur Will Fly]]
* [[Gold Digger]]
* [[House of LSD]]
* [[Inherit the Earth]]
* [[Inverloch]]
* [[i.s.o]]
* [[Lang Lang]]
* [[Las Lindas]]
* [[Latex Blue]]
* [[Little Dee]]
* [[Living in Greytown]]
</td><td>
* [[Maus]]
* [[The Mynarski Forest]]
* [[Nautilos]]
* [[Night Shift]]
* [[No Angel]]
* [[Oren's Monastry]]
* [[Otter Island]]
* [[Ozy and Millie]]
* [[Peter Is the Wolf]]
* [[Poisoned Minds]]
* [[Reality Check]]
* [[Roo'd Awakening]]
* [[Roomies]]
</td><td>
* [[Shayla the Pink Mouse]]
* [[Six Pack of Otters]]
* [[Starfire Agency]]
* [[Stolen Generation]]
* [[Supermegatopia]]
* [[Tales of the Questor]]
* [[Terinu]]
* [[Twokinds]]
* [[Undone]]
* [[Untitled!]]
* [[Usagi Yojimbo]]
* [[Vinci and Arty]]
* [[Wereworld]]
* [[Whiteboard]]
* [[Wild Frontier]]
* [[The World of Vicki Fox]]
* [[Zoo City]]
</td></tr></table>
Some comics have [[Wikipedia:Category:Furry comics|entries at wikipedia]] that could be used - if you do, remember to put <nowiki>{{Wikipedia|name_of_their_page}}</nowiki> on your page. Also, see The [[Belfry WebComics Index]] at [[The Belfry Webworks]].
[[Category:Culture]]

Cumbria

2005-08-21T05:11:46Z

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Buddies in Big Places

2005-08-21T05:07:58Z

Sethtriggs:

'''Buddies in Big Places''' by [[Seth Triggs|Seth C. Triggs]] is a daily updated mixed genre furry comic dealing with the times and lives of the denizens of [[Cumbria]], a made-up country set in an alternate universe. Mostly it revolves around a squirrel by the name of Reynard Barrie and his friends and family, though it extends to an extrodinary cast of characters. It wraps sardonic and British dry humor with impossible and inventive situations, but stories are often insightful and interesting looks at the issues we face in the world today. While some of it seems too strange to be possible, Seth says most of his inspiration for stories and characters is drawn from real life situations and real people!

* '''Website''': http://www.bibp.com/

As of this writing, Seth has over 1500 strips done to date and many more archived. It is most definately one of the most reliably updated comics on the net, and is sure to be around for many years to come.

The webcomic [[Coons]] takes place years later in the same story setting and includes some of the same characters in supporting roles.

[[Category:Comics]]

Coons

2005-08-21T05:07:01Z

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'''''Coons''''' is a comic created by Laura "[[Longtail]]" Blacksin and set in the future of the webcomic ''[[Buddies in Big Places]]''.

* '''Address''': http://coons.longtail.us

[[Image:Censor_MA.png|right]]
== Plot ==

Toby, a half-cat, half-raccoon hybrid, has a rather harrowing run-in with his ex-girlfriend Pepper (a rabbit-raccoon hybrid). While engaging in a conversation, Toby damages the car his father loaned to him for the day. Pepper, sensing an opportunity, steps in and brokers a very controversial deal with Toby...which is the meat of the story.

This comic updates very sporadically, but is extremely popular and seems to be well worth the wait. It is for mature audiences only due to explicit sexual content.

[[Category:Comics]]

Gemini Bright

2005-08-21T05:06:02Z

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'''Gemini Bright''' is the story of Matt Donahue, a terminally unlucky teen who goes on a family vacation, only to end up crossing a dimensional portal into a magical land of goblins, hybrids and monsters. Almost immediately, he's taken into the care of Princess Shira, a half-dragon-half human, and her caustic esquilax assistant Newel. As the nascent trio gains more members in their party, they end up with progressively more dangerous adventures. Undoubtedly, they inch ever closer to a showdown with evil, handsome arch-villain Akando.

This comic generally updates weekly, and contains some strong language and violence. It is drawn by Laura "[[Longtail]]" Blacksin.

== External Links ==

[http://geminibright.longtail.us geminibright.longtail.us] -- Comic website

[[Category:Comics]]

Longtail

2005-08-21T04:13:55Z

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'''Laura "Longtail" Blacksin''' is an American artist who also writes three popular webcomics, [[Apollo 9]], [[Gemini Bright]], and [[Coons]]. Longtail's artistic style, while distinctive, is also very diverse.

Much of her art is first drawn in ink and/or pencil, and then may be colored with aid of computer graphic programs. A significant portion of her art is completely manual, utilizing colored pencil and/or Copic Sketch markers.

Longtail is most well known for her excellent handling of [[taur]]forms, especially [[Chakat]]s, but also has a sizeable following for her general artwork and [[:Category:Comics|comics]]. In addition to the comic works, Longtail does a great deal of writing.

== External links ==

* [http://www.longtail.us Longtail's Lair] The main site that hosts all three of Longtail's webcomics. It also contains a gallery with a sizable (but not exhaustive) collection of her art.

[[Category:People]][[Category:Artists]][[Category:Writers]]

South Fur Lands

2005-08-20T18:36:00Z

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South Fur Lands is a fanzine published roughly quarterly by [[Bernard Doove]]. It has an emphasis on Southern Hemisphere furs, so expect an Australian/South African/South American bent to the content.

South Fur Lands homepage: [[http://www.furry.org.au/sfl/index.html]]

South Fur Lands

2005-08-20T18:35:38Z

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User:Sethtriggs

2005-08-20T18:32:21Z

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Seth C Triggs - (b. 11 April 1979), educator, cartographer and webcomic artist.

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-20T04:25:19Z

Sethtriggs:

I can't say anything about if I'll be adding things regularly, but I will when I have time/ideas. As for nationstates, its neat to encounter another head of state no? I run The Union of Tinis which is part of the Furry Federation.

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Hi. Thanks for the welcome. ^^; This seems to be a confusing topic in my mind as far as sorting, but what would "StarFox" groups like RPG's belong to? Certainly the one I know about so far does not use a MU*, but rather IRC and has it's own Wiki even. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 09:48, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. Not sure myself. Maybe you should make a new category for roleplaying groups, and then categorize that category page to <nowiki>[[Category:Community]]</nowiki>. You make new categories just by doing <nowiki>[[Category:Whatever]]</nowiki> and then clicking on the link to edit it like any other page. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:03, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome! I've really enjoyed participating in WikiFur thus far, and I'm glad my contributions have been useful. I hope to continue to be an active participant in this community effort, and I think it's really going to be a success. ^_^ --[[User:Flynn|Flynn]] 03:34, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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No problem! Great, great project. I'll be contributing more as time allows and directing others to it as well. The pro-vanity page policy is an excellent idea. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

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Thanks for the welcome too. I've been having fun with this. I even have my own wiki for my comic Buddies in Big Places, so it was pretty easy to get started here. --[[User:Sethtriggs|Sethtriggs]] 04:25, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

How does one create a redirect? Ie, to redirect "Camp Feral" to Feral? --{{UT|Tafyrn}}

:Just type <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Feral]]</nowiki> on [[Camp Feral]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:49, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

GreenReaper: thanks for your efforts in cleaning up newly created entries. I've learned a great deal from comparing my original entries to the improved versions! --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:No problem! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:43, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Is there already a 'beginner's guide' page available? If not I'd be happy to start work on it. Berhaps it could be linked to from the main page? --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There's the [[Help:Contents|help]] page, which is linked to on the side and on WikiFur Central. It also links to the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents guide on Meta]. If you think you can improve the help page, go right ahead! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:48, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Have you considered instating a 'ranking' system to indicate users who have contributed a great deal? I'm not trolling for rewards, myself, but as a New Mediast I'm rather interested in how you'd prefer to navigate between the offering of a reward for contribution and preventing people from performing useless edits and contributions to gain a higher ranking. Ranking systems are fairly common in forums and seem to manage themselves, there. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There are ways to measure people's contributions, if so desired. You can look at a user's contributions page, which is a link in the toolbox to the left when a user's page or talk page is selected. You can also see what other people have said on a person's user talk pages, or look at the [http://www.wikicities.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaFURRY.htm#wikipedians user section] of the [[Project:About#Statistics|statistics]] to get a rough idea of where they stand contribution-wise.

:::In the end, though, for the people we really want to attract, contribution is its own reward. That's not to say people can't be ''proud'' of their contributions, of course, but obsessing over it is probably unhealthy. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== NPOV / Vanity Pages ==

You know, if you're aiming for NPOV, you might want to consider instituting a rule about, uh, not making articles about yourself. They tend to be one-sided at best, and blatant advertisments at worst. And the authors tend to react rather badly to other people editing 'their' writeup.

But then again, [http://www.everything2.com/ E2] is not NPOV and is also quite awesome. --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 19:02, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:We're not, exactly. I accept that most articles about users are going to be positive. I encourage that, actually, as it's the negative ones that seem to cause trouble. See [http://www.livejournal.com/community/wikifur/2177.html?thread=6017 this discussion] for more on my views about vanity pages, and less important pages in general. Basically, what's appropriate for Wikipedia may not be appropriate for us. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:12, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh don't worry, it was just a joke. I wouldn't actually go along with something like that, since I'd be banned pretty quickly, I'm sure. :>

== Blue Forest enties ==

Hi! I just wanted to thank you for putting work into helping out with entries related to Blue Forest. I was plesantly surprised to see these here! I'm in the process of adding and expanding on some of them, now, and I certainly welcome any tweaking that you think needs to be done. -[[User:K.M. Hirosaki|K.M. Hirosaki]] 04:47, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You're welcome! You obviously have a few loyal fans who cared enough to start them. I'll be watching, but your pages seem pretty good so far. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:55, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Is it possible to have both me redirect page "Alex Vance" and my full entry "Osfer" listd under People and Writers, or is this bad form? Considering how many furs alternately use their full name or their handle on-line, I suspect such a construction may be of use to more people.

Also, have you considered disallowing anonymous edits? The extra effort of registering might be a slight deterrent to casual vandals. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:It can be done, but wither it is or not depends on how much longer the trolls persist in causing trouble and grief in their malicious edits. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 13:16, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== kekeke goon rush ==

At this point I would just suggest forbidding anon edits and new account creation for a few hours (if you can do that) --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 18:14, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==OMG whut admin?==
No, I certainly don't mind keeping an eye on the RC for vandalism for the time being. The whole "goon rush" issue is what helped me find out about this wiki :) [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 19:21, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Article naming convention proposal ==

When I saw [[Serval]] come up as an article, I knew we were going to have an issue. As I'm sure you're aware, some of the older fur fans have gone by animal names as fan names. I propose that we have a <nowiki>[[Category:Species]]</nowiki> with names of things that are animals, as opposed to characters, appended with Serval (species) or Panther (species) or Fox (species), sort of like how WP is has (film) and such.
What do you think? [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 05:14, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It's a good idea. Go for it! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:31, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== About "admin" status. ==

I feel kind of weird for now noticing this, and even weirder for bringing it up, but I'll throw this out there anyway:

WikiFur:Administrators lists me as an admin, and you've also done it on the community LiveJournal which proves that it wasn't just a misclick or anything like that, but after looking up what I'd be able to do with this status, I notice that... well, none of it's there. :) I confirmed this by looking at the literal special page and notice that, while Osfer's name is on there, mine isn't.

Not harping on you to get '''right on this''' so I can go willy nilly on this here Internet Wikipedia machine, because that would be stupid, but can you double-check to see if you did add me to the actual admin database? Thanks. -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:17, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: *scratches head* - I certainly ''thought'' I put you in there . . . I was on wireless, though, so maybe it didn't take . I was in a bit of a rush adding new admins at the time, so I didn't check. Sorry! Should work now. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:21, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: And there it is in the log. Thank you for trusting me enough to give me this ability. :) -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:22, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

----

Abuh? Well, that was unexpected! Thanks - I'll try to help out as best I can. --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 17:18, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You came recommended - besides, you already ''have'' been helping, this just lets you help more. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:28, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==More stylistic suggestions==

Lord forbid, got another bother:
We're getting so many dang micro articles, I think a stub-expansion template for the front might be a good idea.
I've modified one of the tables to be like that in my Userpage, if you'd like to see what it looks like. I'm just excessivly reluctant to make a template without authorization, and even less wanting to add new things to the front page :) -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:04, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:This isn't Wikipedia - you won't get flamed for making a template you think will be useful, or for editing the main page. Be bold! :-)

:The only suggestion I would make is removing the last entry and the - before it as that pushes it over one line for 1024x786 maximised (I've been trying to keep all the main templates that size). Other than that, it looks good to go. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I shall go forth fluffily, then! -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:12, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Languages ==
I had just one question re this wiki: Are there any guidelines for creating furry articles not in English? Say, [[Chakat/ia]] or [[Chakat/ru]] or whatnot? I'm a member of Furrys Pro Interlingua, as well as a general-purpose language geekskunk, and I'm just curious. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 13:18, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:The "best" way to do it would be to use something like ru.furry.wikicities.com, edit pages on there, and then use translation tags to link to them, as in Wikipedia. We do not have versions of WikiFur in other langauges at this time. If this is something you'd like to help coordinate (it will need at least one person to maintain each language), let me know what languages you'd like it set up for and I can get things set up with the Wikicities staff.

:If you're not up to doing this at this time, as a ''temporary'' measure, what you suggest might work but only if you add a category to each plage, like <nowiki>[[Category:Spanish articles]]</nowiki>, and maybe put a template in the main page to indicate that there is a translation for it (you could do one template that would work for the whole page. That way we can find them to move them later on! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:38, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Special bar==
Also, I've created a special bar for the front page [[Template:WikiFur Central/Special|here]]. Go ahead and add it if you think it's a good idea ^^; [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 08:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Seems a perfectly reasonable use of space. Added! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Furry MUCK Logo ==

Thanks for the welcome. :) I moved the logo at [[User:Markus|Markus]]'s request since he was having trouble with the TOC not liking where it was. It was either a case of the logo staying where it was but being made an image, or moving it to where the <pre>'ed text wouldn't damage the layout. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 14:14, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Aha! I have a third option - move the TOC to the section below. You can use <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> to specify TOC positioning (or <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> to remove it entirely, but we need it here :-). Will see if I can figure out a good way to do that. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Mmm.. true the TOC can be moved but if the logo is really wanted at the top and understandibly it is the convention to have it there, pahapse taking a screencap of the wording and having a nice logo image would be better? I'll provide the image if you wish though of course, I can't edit the article currently. While I'm here, would it be ok for me to mention a few things we are missing? Um.. for one.. a deletion policy! o.O I've seen a few articles that seem to have little to do with anything furry ([[Zline]] for example). We could also do with setting up our own Manual of Style for how a biography page, a species page or term page should be laid out for example. I have er.. a -little- exprience with MediaWiki you could say. ;) I spent a good few weeks teaching myself the system and actually have a wiki of my own I'm just.. lacking the community to get it going currently. x.x Despite e-mail pokes to the people who have signed up to it. [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/Main_Page EpicWiki] which is a fictional writing wiki, as you can see I spent ages making it look good and now.. no support. :/ And my first wiki [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/ here] which was my test and learning how to use it. It was going to be for a friend's project but that's on hiatus now. What I'm ''proud'' of though on that wiki is the extensive [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Contents help system] I was planning after hating the mine field that is MetaWiki's. You can see from the pages I did write that I might know.. a -little- wiki syntax. ;) [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Allowed_HTML] [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Exploring_an_article] *squeeks* Oh seems you've already fixed it so.. never mind. o.O Hope you take some of my thoughts onboard though. o.o -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Policies ==

I agree we need to set up some policies - deletion, featuring and the like. Right now we are trying to be as inclusive as possible becuase there's really no harm in having articles that are only mildly related to furry topics, but it's something we'll probably have to look at going forward. For now, don't be too worried if you see something that doesn't seem to fit with the wiki's purpose - we can always do a cleanup later. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 15:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Might I suggest creating a 'dubious' template then to help us flag articles that need writers to find more proof of their 'furryness' and at a later date, give us a handyway of tracking down things to go on deletion lists. ;> The closest wikipedia tag I'd say would be [[Wikipedia:Template:Unencyclopedic]], to us of course, anything not furry related is Unencyclopedic.

:::That is a big "of course". I would be wary about limiting the scope of the wiki in that respect. Topics that are only tangentially furry may still be of interest to WikiFur readers and it might well be that there is stuff that can be said about the topic that relates to the furry fandom, and which would not be accepted in the "right" place. Obviously there are cases where links should be converted into links to Wikipedia and the like, but that is not always the case.

::Likewise, we could do with getting [[Wikipedia:Template:Advert]] for pages which are clearly adverts for furry sites and need turning in to articles. Infact.. I was about to list a few more but realised we could do with importing quite a few of the templates. Would you mind if I did so and made changes where needed? I'll also make some wikifur: namespace pages if needed with info and so on about them and how to use. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:04, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Go ahead - be bold! But also, be somewhat wary that you do not bite newcommers by telling them that their contributions are not wanted. If you can see a way to expand the from (say) a stub about an unrelated technology to an article about how the technology is used in the furry community, with links to articles in more depth over on (say) Wikipedia, then that would be more appropriate.

:::Note that you can theoretically use wikicities templates with this method: <nowiki>{{Wikicities:Advert}}</nowiki>. However, if you have time I would import the template as there have been problems with this - most notably it is case-sensitive!

:::I disagree with the use of the Unencyclpediaic template because I think it imposes strong an opinion on something that ''is'' a matter of opinion - there's been [[Wikipedia:Template_talk:Unencyclopedic|a lot of discussion]] about it. The Advert one sounds fine, because it is a more obvious statement about the quality of an article. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:22, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Very well, I'll get going and take on what you've said. :) More fun than staring at Recent Changes. o.O I'll send some links your way when I've made a few up. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Stylebook ==

No problem. Is there a stylebook I need to refer to? I see that there have been style changes to the page and I'd rather save somefur else the work if I can...--[[User:Fferret|Fferret]] 19:23, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:To be honest, there isn't one right now - WikiFur only really took off last saturday, and it's been such a rush that we've been figuring them out as we go along. The best guide right now is to extrapolate from existing pages and from Wikipedia. If you do things so that they look the same as similar pages, at least it's consistent. Of course, if you think you have a better way of doing it, you could change them all. Be bold! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Person pages vs. Personal pages ==

Since this is going unanswered in the Category talk:People section, I'm going to take this here. :>

I'd like to take initiative to start removing information that's too personal-- such as the likes and dislikes of a person, who they're friends with-- in order to make the people pages sound more informational and less like the person is advertising themselves to other possible friends or love interests. Not saying that these are bad, but inapropriate for something like this wiki, which is supposed to be an online encyclopedia.

Thoughts? --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 19:35, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Answered on [[Category talk:People]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:46, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Linking to a term in Wikipedia, but not in Wikifur ==

May I ask how one would make a link reference to a term that, while not defined in Wikifur, and not directly furry related, is defined in Wikipedia? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Certainly. You can refer to Wikipedia like this: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|text to display]]</nowiki>. This is often preferable to creating an actual page about it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 20:42, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== How do I add an article to a category? ==

Hi I wish to add an article to a category but the edit feature only allows me to edit the top portion of the page. I tried * [[name of category]] and that places link in wrong place. I tried <nowiki>[[category:whatever]]</nowiki> and that puts link at bottom of page and not as article. Please I looked all over the help section and found nothing usefull for this problem. --[[User:Lupinelonewolf|Lupinelonewolf]]

: (answered) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:09, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== OK I tried that but it puts link in incorrect place ==

I understand what you are saying but I am having difficulty trying to place that link into the section labled "articles" in this Category, rather the link is being placed above in a non related portion of the page

I am trying to place a linkie to Anthrofest which is a con in Canada next yr in August and is not listed yet under conventions. Furry Wiki has good exposure and the hope is that people take notice of the unfamiliar name to many and attend. Every time though that I try to post it it puts the link in the wrong place. I want to put the link Under A and right after Anthrocon in the A category on the conventions page.

So I went to the edit section of that page and I guess that portion of the page is protected or something because I cannot get my link to go where I want it. As for the whole "whatever issue I was following advice I found in greenreapers usertalk and somehow a "furfright" ended up in the F like it should have and thus I was trying to repeat that. I think now I realize that what happened was someone saw what I was doing and I did it incorrectly and so they obliged me and did it themself. I appologize for that but still am confused as to add to that "article" portion of the "conventions" page.

:Ahh, I see. The thing you have to understand is that you do not edit the category page to put an article into the category - you edit the page that you want to put ''into'' the category. In this case, you would edit the [[Anthrofest]] article . . . but that article doesn't exist, so you should click that red link to create it. Try just putting a few words and then <nowiki>[[Category:Conventions]]</nowiki> at the end. You should see a link to Category:Conventions appear at the bottom, and when you save that page, it will appear in [[:Category:Conventions]], as you intended. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:58, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Keep, Merge, Delete==
Hah!
Man, you make funny even funnier. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 00:13, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Hi!==
Thanks for the warm welcome GreenReaper. While I only have had a little bit of experience with Wikis in general, I hope that I'll be able to contribute where I can. ^^
Ta! --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 05:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm sure you'll learn quickly! Thanks for getting permission for that picture of Mab. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 05:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Hmmm... I just noticed that the templates on the front page have been locked now... Hmmm It's a bit of a catch 22 with Wikis isn't it. On one hand you WANT people to be able to maintain, update and improve on things... On the other, there's always people who just like to ruin and vandalise things. I guess it's probbaly the right thing to do, especially being the main page... But a shame that it has to be done. =/ --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:06, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::They were locked temporarily due to someone vandalising them. They should be unlocked now (unless it's happened again). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::And yes, that's OK. Amber said that it's fine to use her art for any of the related articles. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== New article ==

Pardon me if this is a really dumb question, but how does one get to the initial edit screen to create a new article if there is no existing "Article to add" link to start from?

:Not a dumb question at all - it's not hugely obvious. One way is to create such a link by putting <nowiki>[[Something]]</nowiki> into an existing article - such a related article. This is usually a good idea because it encourages pages to be linked to related pages. However, if there isn't any page for which this is appropriate, you should either put this link in the [[Sandbox]] and delete it later, or type the URL in manually. If you look at the URL for this page, you should see that it includes the name of the page - you can change the URL to any name and it will go to that page, even if it doesn't exist yet. You can then click edit and start typing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:17, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== On pre-emptive protection: ==

It wasn't pre-emptive. Yesterday there was perpetual vandalism going on on the front page from YTMND.com, spamming "GNAA™" and editing various other parts of the template where they'd just add something stupid. Just wanted to clarify that. :) --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 14:20, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:OK. :-) Just make sure you unprotect them when they go away again! *grin* --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:30, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Regarding pre-emptively protecting things, I'd like to propose that we really ''should'' be protecting certain "high-visibility" pages, such as the main page and the templates for menus and such. If any one of those gets vandalized, it could affect the entire site instead of a single page. Also, I'm not sure that we want random users modifying them without checking with us in the first place, even if their intentions ''are'' good. Thoughts? --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 19:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Subpages for Project/Wikifur Namespace ==

Heya, I'm close to finishing my work with the templates. :) However, I wanted to make the one page I have now ([[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]]) become an introduction page (similar to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template_messages|this one]] on Wikipedia) and have multiple pages for different template types as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages|Subpages]]. However, it seems this feature isn't set to allow them in the Project(Wikifur) namespace. Would it be possible for you to turn them on? I don't know how it works with Wikicities but on standalone wiki's, its a setting in LocalSettings.php. Many thanks. :) -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what the problem is - I was able to make [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text/Test]] just fine (deleted it now). Am I misunderstanding what you were trying to do? If so, please tell me exactly what pages you were trying to make/edit and what error message you got. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:26, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::According to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages]], making a link of <nowiki>[[/All Templates]]</nowiki> on the page you wish to have as the parent should save to be 'parent/All Templates'. However, its actually just gone and made [[:/All_Templates]]. If it was a true subpage, it should have a little breadcrumb link auto inserted, like on this page of my wiki here: http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/User:Nidonocu/Management_Links
::-[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 18:40, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Ahh, right, so it's [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Link#Subpage_feature this] - OK, I'll ask. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 18:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:05, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Should be done. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:16, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::Yeap! All good! Many thanks! :D --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:18, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)\
== Categoreis and subcategories ==

Thank you for the friendly welcome message. The help system seems fairly complete. I find it much more useful to click the "edit" section of more complete entries and just look at the code to figure things out, but I know that doesn't work for some people. I do have a question that may be in there somewhere and I missed it. How are categories and subcategories created? It seems to me that one of the sub-categories within People ought to be "publishers." Otherwise, this seems fun and to be growing nicely. -- Gene

:Categories are created like any page, by making links to them or going to their pages. However, to get the links in the right place, you place the special tag <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName]]</nowiki> into the article that you want to be in the new category (or <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName|Optional String To Sort By]]</nowiki> if you don't want it sorted in the list by the article name). This will create a link at the bottom. If it's red, then you can create the category page by clicking it, editing and saving the resulting page - your article page will then be present on there. If the link is blue, then it already existed, and your article page will be added to it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Boiler Plate Text ==

It is sooo finished @_@
:'''[[WikiFur:Boiler_Plate_Text]]'''
Please link this where ever possible. I've improved quite a few of the templates too in the process. Made up all their connected category pages and so forth. Only thing that needs doing is the voting pages for [[Template:Ifd]] and [[Template:SpeedyDelete]]. I'll do those in a bit, using Wikipedia as a base to work from.

I have no life, seriously. ;)
:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Troll ==

Troll running though right now: [[User:66.140.87.119|66.140.87.119]]

: Thank you, masked stranger! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:15, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: It's me again (Loiosh). I watch the recent changes page.

:::: Heh. 45 or so pages defaced over 14 minutes, all repaired in a span on 3 minutes. That's some damn nice work, folks! --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::: If only I'd remembered to set &bot=1, then it wouldn't have flooded Recent Changes! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:41, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Footnote Links ==

How would one create footnote links to lines in a given poem, if this is possible? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Do you meen footnotes within the poem? If so, you might want to try using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ref ref and note templates], which I have just copied to WikiFur.

==Featured Articles==

Well, we don't have to have a new one every day, but I personally recommend the [[Caitians]] one for "next up". It actually had so many images, I had to leave one of mine out. Plus, M'ress is a notable early furry character. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 23:51, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Could do with some links to [[MemoryAlpha:|Memory Alpha]] for the added material, especially since it's a Wikia project too. If it was spaced out a bit more somehow, you could fit more pictures in. Perhaps an external links section?

:As for the Featured Articles, we '''do''' have to have one every day, because otherwise the script will go on and there'll just be an ugly red link. Admittedly you coulc copy the last one, but that would be cheating. ;-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Delete Craziness ==

I'm worried administrators are going a bit crazy with the delete button. I'm seeing alot of Deleted articles on Recent Changes and I think the wiki could do with inforcing the Wikipedia style of deletion. That everything needs to be listed before it can be removed. You can block a vandal right away fair enough but we could end up with possible subjects of writing being discarded just because a badly written stub was made. [[WikiFur:Speedy_Deletion]] should be finished soon, you can see how far I've got right now. I really think it would be wise to tell admins to list pages at least for an hour there before removing them, just to see if anyone chips in with content. Pahapse with some policies akin to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators]] as they generally make good sense. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:45, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Umm . . . I'm not quite sure you get the point of speedy deletes. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion|Speedy deletes]] are for bringing articles that deserve to be deleted immediately to the attention of admins. If they already ''have'' their attention and are deleted, then that's perfectly fine.

:If you look at [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= the delete log], I don't agree with you that people are going crazy. Consider the "content" of the pages that are being deleted - almost all are either plain vandalism, personal attacks, or tests, all of which are valid for speedy deletion - which means deletion on site by admins, whether or not they're listed.

:What you are perhaps thinking of is [[Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion|VfD]], which is is the process for removing articles that (generally speaking) are considered not appropriate for a wiki. And, to be honest, I haven't seen too many of them, mostly because we are far more inclusive than Wikipedia at this time. Some ''have'' been shortened, like [[fur]], because they duplicated Wikipedia information without added value, but other than that . . . --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:37, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Ah.. ok I think I see now. Its very late for me and this wiki has offically cramped by left hand with Ctrl+C/V'ing so I'll be brief. n_x; I did reflect the lack of VfD on the template page so yeah..

::Thanks anyway for dealing with all my questions and comments. Just to say would it be possible if you could at some point soon put up links to [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]] where it might be useful like on Help or Community. I might write up a few 'First Time Here?' or 'First Time Wikiuser?' pages if that would be helpful. Have written my first actual article though, [[NorthernFurs (UK)]]! Woo! ^_^ I will offically stop clicking Recent Changes and close my browser now. ;) Speak to you later. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 03:56, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::It went great on the help page. Thanks for taking the time to do these. I just hope we won't have to use them too much. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:11, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

WikiFur:Logo ideas

2005-08-20T03:40:13Z

Sethtriggs: /* MelSkunk */

''As there have been no submissions for a few days, I'm adding MelSkunk's for now. '''The logo competition is still open''', and you may both submit and vote on logos below.'' --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 02:28, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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[[WikiFur]] needs a '''logo'''. It should be 135x155 pixels (or potentially a little shorter), and it should try to communicate both "wiki" and "furry" in some way, potentially including part or all of the name "WikiFur".

Have a look at some of the [[Wikicities:Image:Logocollection.png|existing logos]] for some good (and bad) examples. As you can see, simpler is potentially better - any text should at least be discernable at 1/3 size.

To submit an image, you need to [[Special:Userlogin|login]], then [[Special:Upload|upload your image]] and add your submissions here by editing the page to add <nowiki>[[Image:YourImageName.png]]</nowiki>. 24-bit PNG is the preferred format - if it needs to be smaller, it can be reduced later.

== Submissions ==

''Don't be shy, add something!''
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* '''[[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]''': [[Image:Wikifurmel-s-1.png]]
:''Just because this is being used as a placeholder, doesn't mean you shouldn't enter. '''Be bold!''' I'd be happy to see more!'' - [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]
* '''[[User:Sethtriggs|Seth C Triggs]]''': [[Image:wikifurlogoseth.png]]
: I like the existing logo very much. But this is just a narrow format one. - --[[User:Sethtriggs|Sethtriggs]] 03:39, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Voting ==

If you have a favourite logo, vote for it here!

=== MelSkunk ===
*I love this picture! --[[User:Phroziac|Phroziac]] 17:40, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
*I think MelSkunk's logo is very, very nice and colorful too! --[[User:Sethtriggs|Sethtriggs]] 03:40, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

WikiFur:Logo ideas

2005-08-20T03:39:38Z

Sethtriggs: /* Submissions */

WikiFur:Logo ideas

2005-08-20T03:38:56Z

Sethtriggs: /* Submissions */

''As there have been no submissions for a few days, I'm adding MelSkunk's for now. '''The logo competition is still open''', and you may both submit and vote on logos below.'' --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 02:28, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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[[WikiFur]] needs a '''logo'''. It should be 135x155 pixels (or potentially a little shorter), and it should try to communicate both "wiki" and "furry" in some way, potentially including part or all of the name "WikiFur".

Have a look at some of the [[Wikicities:Image:Logocollection.png|existing logos]] for some good (and bad) examples. As you can see, simpler is potentially better - any text should at least be discernable at 1/3 size.

To submit an image, you need to [[Special:Userlogin|login]], then [[Special:Upload|upload your image]] and add your submissions here by editing the page to add <nowiki>[[Image:YourImageName.png]]</nowiki>. 24-bit PNG is the preferred format - if it needs to be smaller, it can be reduced later.

== Submissions ==

''Don't be shy, add something!''
--------------

* '''[[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]''': [[Image:Wikifurmel-s-1.png]]
:''Just because this is being used as a placeholder, doesn't mean you shouldn't enter. '''Be bold!''' I'd be happy to see more!'' - [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]
* '''[[User:Sethtriggs|Seth C Triggs]]''': [[Image:wikifurlogoseth.png]]
: I like the existing logo very much. But this is just a narrow format one.

== Voting ==

If you have a favourite logo, vote for it here!

=== MelSkunk ===
*I love this picture! --[[User:Phroziac|Phroziac]] 17:40, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

File:Wikifurlogoseth.png

2005-08-20T03:37:20Z

Sethtriggs: My idea for a WikiFur logo, though the existing one is very nice!

My idea for a WikiFur logo, though the existing one is very nice!