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2007-02-12T12:23:40Z

Redfur: oops lol

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I was searching under my name to see if I had an article yet (and was most disappointed to see that I didn't :-() and guess what I found out? [[User:Deafleas]] is Samsara AGAIN. His sixth edit was screeching at some random person on [[Talk:4chan]] (who oddly showed up from Anchorage, where I was for about 3 weeks, though I left Anchorage before said comment was made), accusing them of being me and complaining about my AfD votes on "us" ("us" being wikifur, his words to describe a website he "wasn't editing" until January). The IP addresses are probably him too. If I were you, I'd ban them both and him and get a CU on him and [[User:Tretonin]] (and SleepAtWork, if he wasn't using proxies). His typical MO is to get a bunch of socks and seek authority. JUST THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW XD

Of course, the alternative explanation is that after 5 edits, he really was dedicated to Wikifur enough to call it home, and had already managed to hear about me through some IRC channel - I hope it's this, I love internet fame. Otherwise, don't say I didn't warn you about him. ^_^

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Forum:Tip off

2007-02-12T12:05:24Z

Redfur:

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I was searching under my name to see if I had an article yet (and was most disappointed to see that I didn't :-() and guess what I found out? [[User:Deasfleas]] is Samsara AGAIN. His sixth edit was screeching at some random person on [[Talk:4chan]] (who oddly showed up from Anchorage, where I was for about 3 weeks, though I left Anchorage before said comment was made), accusing them of being me and complaining about my AfD votes on "us" ("us" being wikifur, his words to describe a website he "wasn't editing" until January). The IP addresses are probably him too. If I were you, I'd ban them both and him and get a CU on him and [[User:Tretonin]] (and SleepAtWork, if he wasn't using proxies). His typical MO is to get a bunch of socks and seek authority. JUST THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW XD

Of course, the alternative explanation is that after 5 edits, he really was dedicated to Wikifur enough to call it home, and had already managed to hear about me through some IRC channel - I hope it's this, I love internet fame. Otherwise, don't say I didn't warn you about him. ^_^

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User talk:Deafleas

2007-02-12T11:58:25Z

Redfur: LOL

==64.246.18.83==
Hi Deafleas... Thanks for the headsup about 64.246.18.83 being an open proxy - I've changed the block time to infinite. --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help in reverting the round of vandalism earlier in the evening. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
:Indeed, thanks much :) -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 03:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

== LOL ==

So, how did I get to be so famous that you're sixth edit here is accusing someone of being here and giving out weepy complaints about my AfD votes on a site you weren't even editing at the time? (searching for "Miltopia" is max lol) Am I that famous, or are you just another Samsara sock? [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

User talk:SleepAtWork

2007-02-12T11:53:04Z

Redfur: /* I don't think you should worry */

== Asking your permission ==

Would it be okay with you to upload [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Taxidermy.gif this image] to wikifur? It is an animated gif of scenes from the CSI furry episode. It's 1.8MB so I'm obviously not going to risk spending the long time uploading it if it gets deleted and I'm hoping somebody else will do it. If that is not acceptable, would a link to it in the CSI article be allowed? There's no pressure if you don't agree with these. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 05:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:I probably wouldn't delete it. It is not the best pictoral representation of the whole show, though. The animation tells a story, but it is not the whole story about the show, just as the show does not tell the whole story about the fandom. Its [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Taxidermy purpose on ED] was to promote [[fursecution]] (to whit, the conversion of furries into trophies and rugs) and the selection of passages in the animation is limited to those supporting that argument. I believe that a small selection of screen captures from various points in the show added by use of the <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> tag (see [[The Forest]] for an example) might be a better addition to the article.

:Another thing to consider - if it takes you a long time to upload it, it will take a long time for many of our contributors to download it as well. 2Mb pages are not really a good idea. This suggests that a link to the animation would be more appropriate, with a note of the file size for those on modems. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::About size, I see so many websites designed where the only way you can view them is flash. I don't know what the deal with that. The real size getter is YTMNDs where each one is huge and often a copy of several other ones with just a tiny change. You know you're actually a pretty cool person (and probably same for others here) compared to the wikipedia furry community where any mention of furries that isn't in their "furries never yiff, or dress in custumes more than bunny ears, and all furries are heterosexual, and there are the same number of male and female furries" propoganda means a witchhunt and I think it's one of the reasons why encyclopedia dramatica has all the anti-furry stuff--and the site says somewhere it's the denial of some furry aspects that get them made fun of----that can be compared to how the site doesn't make fun of star wars / star trek nerds with more than a small amount. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 10:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Flash is not the most ideal system for web user interfaces (although it does have enviable compatability compared to things like JavaScript). I won't go so far as to say that Flash has no place. It is a good system for the delivery of multimedia content. We tend to link to that rather than host it, though. :-)

:::It is true that people are sometimes overly defensive. However, at the same time, some have good reason - there [http://forums.hatersonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=164 really are] "furry haters" for which it is a hobby to just go out there and spread the message that furries suck. Most of them don't actually ''know'' anything about the fandom, participate in any of the events, or contribute anything - they're just having fun putting other people down. I'm more than willing to accept criticism from people like [[Nothingkat]], who at least knows what he's talking about. And . . . well, I've not heard people make the above assertions before. I'm sure a lot of people say "not all furries yiff, not all dress up in fursuits, not all are gay and furries are not all male", but there's a big difference between that and utter denial.

:::As for Wikipedia, you have to remember that the purpose of their project (as ours) is to '''make an encyclopedia''', ''not'' to make fun of people. The [[Wikipedia:furry fandom|furry fandom]] article already has five whole paragraphs on sexual activities. I think that gives readers a fairly good idea of the extent of sexual content in the fandom. When you get [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_lifestyler&diff=prev&oldid=51228054 edits] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Furry_Wikipedians&diff=prev&oldid=51070460 like] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_fandom&diff=prev&oldid=50860121 these], it is very easy to see why a lot of them get reverted.

:::ED would have furry stuff on it regardless, I am sure. After all, we already own [[LiveJournal]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

== Reverted edit on Tl;dr ==

I reverted your edit on [[Tl;dr]] as, its content was not only an opinion but somewhat malformed and unrelated in any real way to the content of the page. I'm happy to discuss with you the edit if you feel otherwise. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 12:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

== hi ==

"Girl's amateur use of makeup by applying too much and her voice make are evidence she is a teenager below the age of eighteen." That wasn't meant as personal, though. It was more a Sherlock Holmes style detective work. I just want to be clear it was not my intention. I probably wrote it wrong. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 14:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:It just seemed . . . well, like something you'd post on LiveJournal rather than in an encyclopedia, in much the same way as you get anti-furries taking pictures of fat people at cons and going "hey, look, aren't furries fat!" - maybe that wasn't your intention, but it was the vibe I got from your words. Her ''own'' words make her look bad enough as it is without pointing out her use of makeup.

:A secondary consideration is that page is intended to be just a list of links rather than an in-depth discussion of them. If you really want to write up the details (which would probably include details from both videos), you could make an article on it and then link to it, as with the other articles linked from the media links page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:: Hmmm... you have an odd idea of copying the threads of talk and putting it on both talk pages. Well back to the topic, I also forgot the eyebrows were unplucked (I just wanted to write that down somewhere) as giving evidence that she was a minor. I think I'll put likely minor in the article. Umm.. I don't know if it's worthy of an article itself. It mostly is just a webcam video and then speaking of the vanity fair article. It would be different if it went through the things produced by actual furries, like her reaction to furry pornography art, but I think the video looks like little effort was put into it, and the humor was mostly the behavior of the girl herself. Encyclopedia Dramatica and some of the TV spots for instance do put some effort into their work. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I can just see that sequel: "Valley Girl, Furry Porn". Nuts and berries, indeed!

:::I actually think there's an opportunity to do a ''good'' video on furries and put it up there. The question would be whether or not anyone would go around with a videocamera at (say) Anthrocon and film it, and whether or not people would agree to its distribution. Maybe if it was done by someone already respected in the community.

:::I tend to copy talk because it's easier for other people to follow that way. I also archive my talk now and then, which makes it harder for people trying to follow the other side of conversation. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Off subject, when the game Spore comes out (a design evolution), I expect it may have something for furry gaming. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I agree, though [[Second Life]] seems to have grabbing most of the virtual furry world for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== how did you do that? ==

In http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=CSI&action=history I see you have "updated since my last visit" highlighted in green. In the diff, the highlighted doesn't show. How did you do that? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 12:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don't see any highlighting and actually haven't the faintest what you're referring to. All I can suggest is poking around in preferences (options can be obscurely tucked away in there). -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC) (Echoed to your talk page)

== Can you help? ==

On [[furluminati]], Spirou constantly vandalizes the article, but no matter what I put he reverts me back to his version (and he has not even corrected the grammar/spelling errors in it). I have tried and tried to please him, but I've seen his type and they just revert nonstop as they like--just like willy on wheels likes to move pages to "on wheels" and others like to blank pages, Spirou gets his vandalism high from reverting. I keep trying to please him, but obviously he is just out to cause trouble by revert vandalism. I have put hours and hours into fixing it up and he does not care. Spirou is not here to fix anything, he is just to harass me by reverting anything I do on the article, even fixing his grammar. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:I'm guessing GreenReaper is away right now. Have either of you heard of the [[Wikipedia:WP:3RR|three revert rule]] on Wikipedia? I think it can apply here on WikiFur too. I'll block for 24 hours if I see a violation of the three revert rule from either of you. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 03:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

::Spirou will then just revert 3 times a day, but still vandalize. Also on wikipedia reverting vandalism doesn't count toward 3RR. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 03:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:::If you're familiar with [[Wikipedia:WP:vand|vandalism]], you'll know that ''Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Wikipedia.'' So don't be claiming edits are vandalism unless they are explicitly bad faith. This applies to edit summaries too. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 03:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I considered it explicitly bad faith. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::As GreenReaper has taken over this issue, I have no further comment. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== What was the killhamster article here? ==

You said: "I would note that the article about "killhamster", whose article was used as a reference, was deleted, twice, for being totally full of nonsense added by himself and his friends."

I referenced his livejournal and the edit dispute in the LJ was talking about on ED. Umm... did he make an article on wikifur? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 09:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. It was at various times a duplicate of User:Killhamster on ED, and/or random nonsense. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

== Meet the Furries article ==

I created a stub for the article you requested (by the way, I found there's a section under the Media Coverage category for "stuff that doesn't have an article yet") under [[Meet the "Furries"]]. Feel free to edit it; I just added the bare basics. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

== Recent blanking of conversations on talk page ==

Please don't blank conversations from your talk page without moving them to an archive. It is important to maintain a public record of conversations between wiki users about the wiki. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 12:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:I answered it off this wiki and wished it private. Read my edit summaries next time. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::I did read your edit summary and, in my opinion, it did not justify removing that information. The accusation made by [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] and the associated evidence is public in nature and does not qualify for removal under the personal information policy. In addition, this conversation concerns users other than [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] and yourself -- namely [[Taurin Fox]] who appearently asked to be excluded in part due to the edits you allegedly made. I will not restore the conversation right now but I will seek the advice of other admins on this matter. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 13:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I too am not happy thatthe conversation was blanked, but I will not restore it at this time. I will wait until the private discussion on the matter has concluded. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::::I'd like to know what I did to upset Taurin Fox? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 16:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Are you kidding me? All your little inflammatory edits constantly referring to ED even though he made it clear he didn't want anything on his article here referring to his article there? To the point where he asked for his article to be /removed/? I'd say you did plenty. And for the record, I disagree with removing GreenReaper's convo. But we'll see what he says when he returns. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== I don't think you should worry ==

Miltopia is just trolling. [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMiltopia&diff=6144&oldid=6143 see]. Don't feed. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 08:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
*DON'T TALK TO YOURSELF. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Redfur

2007-02-07T04:20:22Z

Redfur: LOL, Samsara is still obsessing over me

Hi, my name is *****. I edit Wikia elsewhere, but have registered another name here for privacy reasons.

Furfag

2006-12-31T18:42:48Z

Redfur: re-inserting grammar correction by Einsidler

'''Furfag''' (also known as '''Furry Fag''') is a demeaning term used by [[Anti-furries]] and some [[Nonfur]]s to describe a member of the [[furry]] community and/or as a condescending way to "acknowledge" a [[fur]]'s "presence" during online discussions. Also used between [[Anti-furries]] and [[Nonfur]]s as an "ultimate insult."

Even though the term is a [[wikipedia:portmanteau|portmanteau]] of the words "furry" and "fag" ("fag" being a derogatory term for "[[wikipedia:homosexual|homosexual]],") it is not usually intended to imply anything about the target's own sexuality, but rather about their participation in the [[furry fandom]], similar to how someone interested in theater might be called a "dramafag" regardless of their sexuality.

[[Category:Derogatory terms]]

Furfag

2006-12-31T13:37:58Z

Redfur: don't be dumb

'''Furfag''' (also known as '''Furry Fag''') is a demeaning term used by [[Anti-furries]] and some [[Nonfur]]s to describe a member of the [[furry]] community and/or as a condescending way to "acknowledge" a [[fur]]'s "presence" during online discussions. Also used between [[Anti-furries]] and [[Nonfur]]s as an "ultimate insult."

Even though the term is a [[wikipedia:portmanteau|portmanteau]] of the words "furry" and "fag" ("fag" being a derogatory term for "[[wikipedia:homosexual|homosexual]],") it is not usually intended to imply anything about the target's own sexuality, but rather about their participation [[furry fandom]], similar to how someone interested in theater might be called a "dramafag" regardless of their sexuality.

[[Category:Derogatory terms]]

Furfag

2006-12-31T12:58:55Z

Redfur: clarify

'''Furfag''' (also known as '''Furry Fag''') is a demeaning term used by [[Anti-furries]] and some [[Nonfur]]s to describe a member of the [[furry]] community and/or as a condescending way to "acknowledge" a [[fur]]'s "presence" during online discussions. Also used between [[Anti-furries]] and [[Nonfur]]s as an "ultimate insult."

Even though the term is a [[wikipedia:portmanteau|portmanteau]] of the words "furry" and "fag" ("fag" being a derogatory term for "[[wikipedia:homosexual|homosexual]],") it is not usually intended to imply anything about the target's own sexuality, but rather about their participation [[furry fandom]], similar to how someone interested in theater might be called a "dramafag" regardless of their sexuality.

[[Category:Derogatory terms]]

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-31T11:58:22Z

Redfur: formatting correction

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this]</nowiki>, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log]</nowiki>, search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads]</nowiki>, and <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics]</nowiki> they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]</nowiki>. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account]</nowiki> there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here]</nowiki> is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara Samsara], [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:RoundHouseKickToTheFace RoundHouseKickToTheFace], and [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:AnHeroIsSpeltWrong AnHeroIsSpeltWrong]</nowiki>, registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to try to find out who the real owner of that wiki was and I found these two edits about MONGO's desyssoping. In that wiki's MONGO article, the owner put, [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=MONGO_did_WTC&diff=5071&oldid=4859 "the good guys won and the villains lost, but not without a great price"] and then shortly later rootology ("fuckface" is his name on Encyclopedia Dramatica, please forgive the profanity) said in the talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's MONGO article, <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMONGO&diff=1997062880&oldid=1997062821 "the forces of good have triumphed over the forces of darkness at last."]</nowiki> I think that's who they are. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Redfur I clicked on that link to you gave to the Shifting Souls userpage and it has a big proof of IP addresses linking Miltopia, Shifting Souls, and Redfur as the same person, including some stuff Brand ttook. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3445&diff=109315&oldid=108299&rcid=112550 this edit]. It was not because I necessarily disagree with the edit, but rather because this is a talk page, not an article page, and another user's comments were being modified. If there is a disagreement with another user's comments on this page, editors should leave their own comments explaining why they disagreed. We also want to preserve the contents of talk pages so that an accurate archive of the discussion may be kept. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they are Miltopia doing harassment. http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

: First, I restored the comments which were removed. As general rule, we do not remove comments for trackability reasons.

: Now, on the subject of "Miltopia", assuming that one of the above users is this person, how does any of the removed/restored text constitute harassment? Are they making comments directed at you in the text? Are they contacting you via another communications channel and causing you problems? What we really need are some sort of details as to how the above edits are harassing before consider any sort of action. (and even if that is the case, a ban is more likely than removing their edits, though the edits might get moved to an archive page) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::This other website exposed Miltopia in a ring of vandalizing, trolling, personal attacks, etc. even here, mentioned IPs saying he was Redfur. Now that website gets made fun of on Encyclopedia Dramatica and he's going all around saying it's me on his site Encyclopedia Dramatica, on here, everywhere. I have nothing to do with that site Miltopia has been harassing me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, carrying it all over the net. GreenReaper knows who I am. Miltopia also lists some of my Encyclopedia Dramatica accounts and there is no reason for them to be here. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::It seems to me it started back in October where it says, "Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. ED is not Furry enough until now 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)" Some stuff here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.101.67.48 and that IP range has been doing many edits to this article. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

===arbitrary section header===

Ok first off, I am Miltopia. SURPRISE.

Tretonin: You're not hearing me. I WAS ShiftingSouls '''on Trendpedia'''. I provided diffs showing it was the trendpedia owner impersonating me '''here''' to "freak me out". There is no confusion here.

Samssara: None of your drama BS has anything to do with this article. Quit crying to Wikifur about me. They're not the internet police. What the hell do you expect them to do? Nothing.

Everyone: Who cares about Trendpedia, really. No relevance here. GR knows I'm Miltopia and doesn't care. Why? Because I'm not doing anything right now. Trendpedia's owner (who admitted to making bad-faith edits here) has had a major attitude adjustment since Samsara was blocked on ED. Believe what you want. But an editor there who vandalizes here isn't the "crusader for truth" Samsara paints him out to be, so there's no need to fear me.

G'night,

[[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 12:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

*Miltopia, it's trolling like what you just said which got Encyclopedia Dramatica on the spam blacklist here. I've not seen you help ED out once, you're just going around trying to delete things. You've also tarnished the reputation of its best editor, by saying I started up a competitor and it's not so. Maybe GreenReaper lets you do your business of tarshing ED's reputation because he thinks it deserves you to stuff like get it on the spam blacklist. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, dear.
::This article does seem to inherently attract drama. @ SleepAtWork: I can't see any examples of "trolling" by [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] on the wiki. Provide differences, please. From what I can gather from skimming through Redfur's contribs, they all appear to be constructive. In fact, he has factualised and fixed this article, finding sources and such. And about "tarshing" ED's reputation: how so? Firstly, ED doesn't have a very good reputation amongst furries already, so one individual "trolling" on their own behalf, ''not'' ED's, is not going to make a difference. Secondly, if he is trolling (and I seriously doubt he is), that is not the reason for ED being on the spam blacklist, afaik. It is ''completely unrelated'' to Redfur/Miltopia, or "ED trolling" that I know of.
::Finally, all this drama has no relevance to the ED article. Isn't this page meant for discussing the ED article, and not vendettas? So why is it being played out here?-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 08:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I can confirm that, to my knowledge, WikiFur has nothing to do with ED being put on the spam blacklist. It's always ''possible'' that they were added due to edits on WikiFur (heck, it's possible that I added them myself and erased them from my memory), but I have no reason to believe that that is the case. Chances are, they just took the cue from Wikipedia. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

ED was put on the blacklist yesterday. I did ask why, and it was due to massive vandalism of Central Wikia involving ED links. Samsara, for you to blame me and come here tattling to Wikifur about it, saying I'm not doing my part to help out ED, and that I'm tarnishing the reputation of ED's best editor, which you're indicating is you (L O L) - I can't even come up with a descriptor. It's so... meaningless, really. I can't even keep up with what you're whining about. So can you just put a sock in it? Pursue your angst with me somewhere else, this is not the place to be throwing online conspiracy drama theories every which way. If you have something to add to the article or discussion about the article, talk away, but all if you're going to do is use this page for telling everyone what a scumbag I am, don't bother. If Samsara keeps yapping about this, I'd assume he's just doing it to drum up drama and get me banned just to make the drama go away, so I suggest everyone disregard his complaints about me and stick to talking about the article. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
*Also note that the above referenced comment where Mr. Trendpedia admits to subtley vandalizing this article (which I, in my trollish ways, reverted) was deleted to hide it. In fact, his whole talk page was deleted form the server, as was the ED article there and the Miltopia article. Samsara also continues to remove comments form talk page, 3 times now, even after being told not to. So all this wikidata is going missing mysteriously (GreenReaper can vouch that the article existed before, he edited it), and the owner is covering his vandalism tracks, and stuff is getting deleted that is being discussed here. Is there really any doubt that Samsara is running it? He's playing the victim and deceiving people here and ignoring warnings, as well as vandalizing the article under alternate accounts. What would you call a person like that? A troll? Or is that someone who reverts said vandalism and improves an article a troll? [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
<big><big><big>MILTOPIA</big></big></big>

<big><big><big>SAMSARA</big></big></big>

<big><big><big><big>STOP BITCHFIGHTING ON WIKIFUR</big></big></big></big> --[[User:Einsidler|Einsidler]] 11:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:On second thoughts, plz continue, this is lol --[[User:Einsidler|Einsidler]] 11:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
::Einsidler, this is about me not being banned and Samsara being alowed to troll here. Plz don't stir the pot. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-31T11:50:52Z

Redfur: /* arbitrary section header */ don't stir the pot

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this]</nowiki>, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log]</nowiki>, search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads]</nowiki>, and <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics]</nowiki> they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]</nowiki>. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account]</nowiki> there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here]</nowiki> is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara Samsara], [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:RoundHouseKickToTheFace RoundHouseKickToTheFace], and [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:AnHeroIsSpeltWrong AnHeroIsSpeltWrong]</nowiki>, registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to try to find out who the real owner of that wiki was and I found these two edits about MONGO's desyssoping. In that wiki's MONGO article, the owner put, [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=MONGO_did_WTC&diff=5071&oldid=4859 "the good guys won and the villains lost, but not without a great price"] and then shortly later rootology ("fuckface" is his name on Encyclopedia Dramatica, please forgive the profanity) said in the talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's MONGO article, <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMONGO&diff=1997062880&oldid=1997062821 "the forces of good have triumphed over the forces of darkness at last."]</nowiki> I think that's who they are. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Redfur I clicked on that link to you gave to the Shifting Souls userpage and it has a big proof of IP addresses linking Miltopia, Shifting Souls, and Redfur as the same person, including some stuff Brand ttook. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3445&diff=109315&oldid=108299&rcid=112550 this edit]. It was not because I necessarily disagree with the edit, but rather because this is a talk page, not an article page, and another user's comments were being modified. If there is a disagreement with another user's comments on this page, editors should leave their own comments explaining why they disagreed. We also want to preserve the contents of talk pages so that an accurate archive of the discussion may be kept. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they are Miltopia doing harassment. http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

: First, I restored the comments which were removed. As general rule, we do not remove comments for trackability reasons.

: Now, on the subject of "Miltopia", assuming that one of the above users is this person, how does any of the removed/restored text constitute harassment? Are they making comments directed at you in the text? Are they contacting you via another communications channel and causing you problems? What we really need are some sort of details as to how the above edits are harassing before consider any sort of action. (and even if that is the case, a ban is more likely than removing their edits, though the edits might get moved to an archive page) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::This other website exposed Miltopia in a ring of vandalizing, trolling, personal attacks, etc. even here, mentioned IPs saying he was Redfur. Now that website gets made fun of on Encyclopedia Dramatica and he's going all around saying it's me on his site Encyclopedia Dramatica, on here, everywhere. I have nothing to do with that site Miltopia has been harassing me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, carrying it all over the net. GreenReaper knows who I am. Miltopia also lists some of my Encyclopedia Dramatica accounts and there is no reason for them to be here. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::It seems to me it started back in October where it says, "Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. ED is not Furry enough until now 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)" Some stuff here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.101.67.48 and that IP range has been doing many edits to this article. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

===arbitrary section header===

Ok first off, I am Miltopia. SURPRISE.

Tretonin: You're not hearing me. I WAS ShiftingSouls '''on Trendpedia'''. I provided diffs showing it was the trendpedia owner impersonating me '''here''' to "freak me out". There is no confusion here.

Samssara: None of your drama BS has anything to do with this article. Quit crying to Wikifur about me. They're not the internet police. What the hell do you expect them to do? Nothing.

Everyone: Who cares about Trendpedia, really. No relevance here. GR knows I'm Miltopia and doesn't care. Why? Because I'm not doing anything right now. Trendpedia's owner (who admitted to making bad-faith edits here) has had a major attitude adjustment since Samsara was blocked on ED. Believe what you want. But an editor there who vandalizes here isn't the "crusader for truth" Samsara paints him out to be, so there's no need to fear me.

G'night,

[[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 12:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

*Miltopia, it's trolling like what you just said which got Encyclopedia Dramatica on the spam blacklist here. I've not seen you help ED out once, you're just going around trying to delete things. You've also tarnished the reputation of its best editor, by saying I started up a competitor and it's not so. Maybe GreenReaper lets you do your business of tarshing ED's reputation because he thinks it deserves you to stuff like get it on the spam blacklist. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, dear.
::This article does seem to inherently attract drama. @ SleepAtWork: I can't see any examples of "trolling" by [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] on the wiki. Provide differences, please. From what I can gather from skimming through Redfur's contribs, they all appear to be constructive. In fact, he has factualised and fixed this article, finding sources and such. And about "tarshing" ED's reputation: how so? Firstly, ED doesn't have a very good reputation amongst furries already, so one individual "trolling" on their own behalf, ''not'' ED's, is not going to make a difference. Secondly, if he is trolling (and I seriously doubt he is), that is not the reason for ED being on the spam blacklist, afaik. It is ''completely unrelated'' to Redfur/Miltopia, or "ED trolling" that I know of.
::Finally, all this drama has no relevance to the ED article. Isn't this page meant for discussing the ED article, and not vendettas? So why is it being played out here?-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 08:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I can confirm that, to my knowledge, WikiFur has nothing to do with ED being put on the spam blacklist. It's always ''possible'' that they were added due to edits on WikiFur (heck, it's possible that I added them myself and erased them from my memory), but I have no reason to believe that that is the case. Chances are, they just took the cue from Wikipedia. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

ED was put on the blacklist yesterday. I did ask why, and it was due to massive vandalism of Central Wikia involving ED links. Samsara, for you to blame me and come here tattling to Wikifur about it, saying I'm not doing my part to help out ED, and that I'm tarnishing the reputation of ED's best editor, which you're indicating is you (L O L) - I can't even come up with a descriptor. It's so... meaningless, really. I can't even keep up with what you're whining about. So can you just put a sock in it? Pursue your angst with me somewhere else, this is not the place to be throwing online conspiracy drama theories every which way. If you have something to add to the article or discussion about the article, talk away, but all if you're going to do is use this page for telling everyone what a scumbag I am, don't bother. If Samsara keeps yapping about this, I'd assume he's just doing it to drum up drama and get me banned just to make the drama go away, so I suggest everyone disregard his complaints about me and stick to talking about the article. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
*Also note that the above referenced comment where Mr. Trendpedia admits to subtley vandalizing this article (which I, in my trollish ways, reverted) was deleted to hide it. In fact, his whole talk page was deleted form the server, as was the ED article there and the Miltopia article. Samsara also continues to remove comments form talk page, 3 times now, even after being told not to. So all this wikidata is going missing mysteriously (GreenReaper can vouch that the article existed before, he edited it), and the owner is covering his vandalism tracks, and stuff is getting deleted that is being discussed here. Is there really any doubt that Samsara is running it? He's playing the victim and deceiving people here and ignoring warnings, as well as vandalizing the article under alternate accounts. What would you call a person like that? A troll? Or is that someone who reverts said vandalism and improves an article a troll? [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
<big><big><big>MILTOPIA</big></big></big>

<big><big><big>SAMSARA</big></big></big>

<big><big><big><big>STOP BITCHFIGHTING ON WIKIFUR</big></big></big></big> --[[User:Einsidler|Einsidler]] 11:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:On second thoughts, plz continue, this is lol --[[User:Einsidler|Einsidler]] 11:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
::Einsidler, this is about me not being banned and Samsara being alowed to troll here. Plz don't stir the pot. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-31T11:38:30Z

Redfur: restored removed talk page text

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this]</nowiki>, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log]</nowiki>, search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads]</nowiki>, and <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics]</nowiki> they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]</nowiki>. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account]</nowiki> there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here]</nowiki> is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara Samsara], [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:RoundHouseKickToTheFace RoundHouseKickToTheFace], and [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:AnHeroIsSpeltWrong AnHeroIsSpeltWrong]</nowiki>, registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to try to find out who the real owner of that wiki was and I found these two edits about MONGO's desyssoping. In that wiki's MONGO article, the owner put, [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=MONGO_did_WTC&diff=5071&oldid=4859 "the good guys won and the villains lost, but not without a great price"] and then shortly later rootology ("fuckface" is his name on Encyclopedia Dramatica, please forgive the profanity) said in the talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's MONGO article, <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMONGO&diff=1997062880&oldid=1997062821 "the forces of good have triumphed over the forces of darkness at last."]</nowiki> I think that's who they are. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Redfur I clicked on that link to you gave to the Shifting Souls userpage and it has a big proof of IP addresses linking Miltopia, Shifting Souls, and Redfur as the same person, including some stuff Brand ttook. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3445&diff=109315&oldid=108299&rcid=112550 this edit]. It was not because I necessarily disagree with the edit, but rather because this is a talk page, not an article page, and another user's comments were being modified. If there is a disagreement with another user's comments on this page, editors should leave their own comments explaining why they disagreed. We also want to preserve the contents of talk pages so that an accurate archive of the discussion may be kept. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they are Miltopia doing harassment. http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

: First, I restored the comments which were removed. As general rule, we do not remove comments for trackability reasons.

: Now, on the subject of "Miltopia", assuming that one of the above users is this person, how does any of the removed/restored text constitute harassment? Are they making comments directed at you in the text? Are they contacting you via another communications channel and causing you problems? What we really need are some sort of details as to how the above edits are harassing before consider any sort of action. (and even if that is the case, a ban is more likely than removing their edits, though the edits might get moved to an archive page) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::This other website exposed Miltopia in a ring of vandalizing, trolling, personal attacks, etc. even here, mentioned IPs saying he was Redfur. Now that website gets made fun of on Encyclopedia Dramatica and he's going all around saying it's me on his site Encyclopedia Dramatica, on here, everywhere. I have nothing to do with that site Miltopia has been harassing me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, carrying it all over the net. GreenReaper knows who I am. Miltopia also lists some of my Encyclopedia Dramatica accounts and there is no reason for them to be here. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::It seems to me it started back in October where it says, "Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. ED is not Furry enough until now 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)" Some stuff here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.101.67.48 and that IP range has been doing many edits to this article. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

===arbitrary section header===

Ok first off, I am Miltopia. SURPRISE.

Tretonin: You're not hearing me. I WAS ShiftingSouls '''on Trendpedia'''. I provided diffs showing it was the trendpedia owner impersonating me '''here''' to "freak me out". There is no confusion here.

Samssara: None of your drama BS has anything to do with this article. Quit crying to Wikifur about me. They're not the internet police. What the hell do you expect them to do? Nothing.

Everyone: Who cares about Trendpedia, really. No relevance here. GR knows I'm Miltopia and doesn't care. Why? Because I'm not doing anything right now. Trendpedia's owner (who admitted to making bad-faith edits here) has had a major attitude adjustment since Samsara was blocked on ED. Believe what you want. But an editor there who vandalizes here isn't the "crusader for truth" Samsara paints him out to be, so there's no need to fear me.

G'night,

[[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 12:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

*Miltopia, it's trolling like what you just said which got Encyclopedia Dramatica on the spam blacklist here. I've not seen you help ED out once, you're just going around trying to delete things. You've also tarnished the reputation of its best editor, by saying I started up a competitor and it's not so. Maybe GreenReaper lets you do your business of tarshing ED's reputation because he thinks it deserves you to stuff like get it on the spam blacklist. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, dear.
::This article does seem to inherently attract drama. @ SleepAtWork: I can't see any examples of "trolling" by [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] on the wiki. Provide differences, please. From what I can gather from skimming through Redfur's contribs, they all appear to be constructive. In fact, he has factualised and fixed this article, finding sources and such. And about "tarshing" ED's reputation: how so? Firstly, ED doesn't have a very good reputation amongst furries already, so one individual "trolling" on their own behalf, ''not'' ED's, is not going to make a difference. Secondly, if he is trolling (and I seriously doubt he is), that is not the reason for ED being on the spam blacklist, afaik. It is ''completely unrelated'' to Redfur/Miltopia, or "ED trolling" that I know of.
::Finally, all this drama has no relevance to the ED article. Isn't this page meant for discussing the ED article, and not vendettas? So why is it being played out here?-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 08:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I can confirm that, to my knowledge, WikiFur has nothing to do with ED being put on the spam blacklist. It's always ''possible'' that they were added due to edits on WikiFur (heck, it's possible that I added them myself and erased them from my memory), but I have no reason to believe that that is the case. Chances are, they just took the cue from Wikipedia. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

ED was put on the blacklist yesterday. I did ask why, and it was due to massive vandalism of Central Wikia involving ED links. Samsara, for you to blame me and come here tattling to Wikifur about it, saying I'm not doing my part to help out ED, and that I'm tarnishing the reputation of ED's best editor, which you're indicating is you (L O L) - I can't even come up with a descriptor. It's so... meaningless, really. I can't even keep up with what you're whining about. So can you just put a sock in it? Pursue your angst with me somewhere else, this is not the place to be throwing online conspiracy drama theories every which way. If you have something to add to the article or discussion about the article, talk away, but all if you're going to do is use this page for telling everyone what a scumbag I am, don't bother. If Samsara keeps yapping about this, I'd assume he's just doing it to drum up drama and get me banned just to make the drama go away, so I suggest everyone disregard his complaints about me and stick to talking about the article. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-31T11:32:03Z

Redfur: /* arbitrary section header */ ED put on blacklist for vandalism and adult content, Samsara needs to stop whining about ED drama to Wikifur

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this]</nowiki>, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log]</nowiki>, search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads]</nowiki>, and <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics]</nowiki> they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]</nowiki>. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account]</nowiki> there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here]</nowiki> is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to try to find out who the real owner of that wiki was and I found these two edits about MONGO's desyssoping. In that wiki's MONGO article, the owner put, [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=MONGO_did_WTC&diff=5071&oldid=4859 "the good guys won and the villains lost, but not without a great price"] and then shortly later rootology ("fuckface" is his name on Encyclopedia Dramatica, please forgive the profanity) said in the talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's MONGO article, <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMONGO&diff=1997062880&oldid=1997062821 "the forces of good have triumphed over the forces of darkness at last."]</nowiki> I think that's who they are. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Redfur I clicked on that link to you gave to the Shifting Souls userpage and it has a big proof of IP addresses linking Miltopia, Shifting Souls, and Redfur as the same person, including some stuff Brand ttook. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3445&diff=109315&oldid=108299&rcid=112550 this edit]. It was not because I necessarily disagree with the edit, but rather because this is a talk page, not an article page, and another user's comments were being modified. If there is a disagreement with another user's comments on this page, editors should leave their own comments explaining why they disagreed. We also want to preserve the contents of talk pages so that an accurate archive of the discussion may be kept. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they are Miltopia doing harassment. http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

: First, I restored the comments which were removed. As general rule, we do not remove comments for trackability reasons.

: Now, on the subject of "Miltopia", assuming that one of the above users is this person, how does any of the removed/restored text constitute harassment? Are they making comments directed at you in the text? Are they contacting you via another communications channel and causing you problems? What we really need are some sort of details as to how the above edits are harassing before consider any sort of action. (and even if that is the case, a ban is more likely than removing their edits, though the edits might get moved to an archive page) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::This other website exposed Miltopia in a ring of vandalizing, trolling, personal attacks, etc. even here, mentioned IPs saying he was Redfur. Now that website gets made fun of on Encyclopedia Dramatica and he's going all around saying it's me on his site Encyclopedia Dramatica, on here, everywhere. I have nothing to do with that site Miltopia has been harassing me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, carrying it all over the net. GreenReaper knows who I am. Miltopia also lists some of my Encyclopedia Dramatica accounts and there is no reason for them to be here. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::It seems to me it started back in October where it says, "Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. ED is not Furry enough until now 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)" Some stuff here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.101.67.48 and that IP range has been doing many edits to this article. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

===arbitrary section header===

Ok first off, I am Miltopia. SURPRISE.

Tretonin: You're not hearing me. I WAS ShiftingSouls '''on Trendpedia'''. I provided diffs showing it was the trendpedia owner impersonating me '''here''' to "freak me out". There is no confusion here.

Samssara: None of your drama BS has anything to do with this article. Quit crying to Wikifur about me. They're not the internet police. What the hell do you expect them to do? Nothing.

Everyone: Who cares about Trendpedia, really. No relevance here. GR knows I'm Miltopia and doesn't care. Why? Because I'm not doing anything right now. Trendpedia's owner (who admitted to making bad-faith edits here) has had a major attitude adjustment since Samsara was blocked on ED. Believe what you want. But an editor there who vandalizes here isn't the "crusader for truth" Samsara paints him out to be, so there's no need to fear me.

G'night,

[[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 12:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

*Miltopia, it's trolling like what you just said which got Encyclopedia Dramatica on the spam blacklist here. I've not seen you help ED out once, you're just going around trying to delete things. You've also tarnished the reputation of its best editor, by saying I started up a competitor and it's not so. Maybe GreenReaper lets you do your business of tarshing ED's reputation because he thinks it deserves you to stuff like get it on the spam blacklist. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 18:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, dear.
::This article does seem to inherently attract drama. @ SleepAtWork: I can't see any examples of "trolling" by [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] on the wiki. Provide differences, please. From what I can gather from skimming through Redfur's contribs, they all appear to be constructive. In fact, he has factualised and fixed this article, finding sources and such. And about "tarshing" ED's reputation: how so? Firstly, ED doesn't have a very good reputation amongst furries already, so one individual "trolling" on their own behalf, ''not'' ED's, is not going to make a difference. Secondly, if he is trolling (and I seriously doubt he is), that is not the reason for ED being on the spam blacklist, afaik. It is ''completely unrelated'' to Redfur/Miltopia, or "ED trolling" that I know of.
::Finally, all this drama has no relevance to the ED article. Isn't this page meant for discussing the ED article, and not vendettas? So why is it being played out here?-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 08:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I can confirm that, to my knowledge, WikiFur has nothing to do with ED being put on the spam blacklist. It's always ''possible'' that they were added due to edits on WikiFur (heck, it's possible that I added them myself and erased them from my memory), but I have no reason to believe that that is the case. Chances are, they just took the cue from Wikipedia. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

ED was put on the blacklist yesterday. I did ask why, and it was due to massive vandalism of Central Wikia involving ED links. Samsara, for you to blame me and come here tattling to Wikifur about it, saying I'm not doing my part to help out ED, and that I'm tarnishing the reputation of ED's best editor, which you're indicating is you (L O L) - I can't even come up with a descriptor. It's so... meaningless, really. I can't even keep up with what you're whining about. So can you just put a sock in it? Pursue your angst with me somewhere else, this is not the place to be throwing online conspiracy drama theories every which way. If you have something to add to the article or discussion about the article, talk away, but all if you're going to do is use this page for telling everyone what a scumbag I am, don't bother. If Samsara keeps yapping about this, I'd assume he's just doing it to drum up drama and get me banned just to make the drama go away, so I suggest everyone disregard his complaints about me and stick to talking about the article. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 11:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-30T12:46:26Z

Redfur: /* Recent reverts */ ugh

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this]</nowiki>, how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log]</nowiki>, search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads]</nowiki>, and <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics]</nowiki> they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See <nowiki>[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]</nowiki>. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl <nowiki>http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html</nowiki> --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account]</nowiki> there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here]</nowiki> is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I was looking to try to find out who the real owner of that wiki was and I found these two edits about MONGO's desyssoping. In that wiki's MONGO article, the owner put, [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=MONGO_did_WTC&diff=5071&oldid=4859 "the good guys won and the villains lost, but not without a great price"] and then shortly later rootology ("fuckface" is his name on Encyclopedia Dramatica, please forgive the profanity) said in the talk page of Encyclopedia Dramatica's MONGO article, <nowiki>[http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMONGO&diff=1997062880&oldid=1997062821 "the forces of good have triumphed over the forces of darkness at last."]</nowiki> I think that's who they are. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:57, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Redfur I clicked on that link to you gave to the Shifting Souls userpage and it has a big proof of IP addresses linking Miltopia, Shifting Souls, and Redfur as the same person, including some stuff Brand ttook. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I reverted [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3445&diff=109315&oldid=108299&rcid=112550 this edit]. It was not because I necessarily disagree with the edit, but rather because this is a talk page, not an article page, and another user's comments were being modified. If there is a disagreement with another user's comments on this page, editors should leave their own comments explaining why they disagreed. We also want to preserve the contents of talk pages so that an accurate archive of the discussion may be kept. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, they are Miltopia doing harassment. http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

: First, I restored the comments which were removed. As general rule, we do not remove comments for trackability reasons.

: Now, on the subject of "Miltopia", assuming that one of the above users is this person, how does any of the removed/restored text constitute harassment? Are they making comments directed at you in the text? Are they contacting you via another communications channel and causing you problems? What we really need are some sort of details as to how the above edits are harassing before consider any sort of action. (and even if that is the case, a ban is more likely than removing their edits, though the edits might get moved to an archive page) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::This other website exposed Miltopia in a ring of vandalizing, trolling, personal attacks, etc. even here, mentioned IPs saying he was Redfur. Now that website gets made fun of on Encyclopedia Dramatica and he's going all around saying it's me on his site Encyclopedia Dramatica, on here, everywhere. I have nothing to do with that site Miltopia has been harassing me on Encyclopedia Dramatica, carrying it all over the net. GreenReaper knows who I am. Miltopia also lists some of my Encyclopedia Dramatica accounts and there is no reason for them to be here. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

::It seems to me it started back in October where it says, "Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. ED is not Furry enough until now 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)" Some stuff here http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.101.67.48 and that IP range has been doing many edits to this article. --[[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 04:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

===arbitrary section header===

Ok first off, I am Miltopia. SURPRISE.

Tretonin: You're not hearing me. I WAS ShiftingSouls '''on Trendpedia'''. I provided diffs showing it was the trendpedia owner impersonating me '''here''' to "freak me out". There is no confusion here.

Samssara: None of your drama BS has anything to do with this article. Quit crying to Wikifur about me. They're not the internet police. What the hell do you expect them to do? Nothing.

Everyone: Who cares about Trendpedia, really. No relevance here. GR knows I'm Miltopia and doesn't care. Why? Because I'm not doing anything right now. Trendpedia's owner (who admitted to making bad-faith edits here) has had a major attitude adjustment since Samsara was blocked on ED. Believe what you want. But an editor there who vandalizes here isn't the "crusader for truth" Samsara paints him out to be, so there's no need to fear me.

G'night,

[[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 12:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Redfur

2006-12-22T01:15:50Z

Redfur: /* Edit reasons */ - yes, do not want drama

Welcome to WikiFur, Redfur! [[User talk:GreenReaper|let me know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

== Edit reasons ==

It's not clear to me why [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Vandal_%28Blu_Aardvark%29&curid=19783&diff=108112&oldid=107540&rcid=111340 this] edit needed made. Granted, I can't read much of this <s>ED drama</s> abject nonsense without getting confused and/or getting a headache. Could you explain to me why you made that edit and, more to the point, why the one user page is better than the other? It looks to me like you have been reverted on the same edit once in the past. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
*No, that page just came into existence, so I couldn't have been reverted before for removing a link to the page. The reason the first is linked to and not the second is because the only difference is that the second has personal information that is of no use in checkusering, identifying a pattern of edits, or anything else related to vandalfighting. There's no need to link to useless personal info, so I linked to the first one instead. THis has nothing to do with ED, only with Toronic and Tbeatty making Aardvark's personal info more available out of spite. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
::<nowiki>**throws up hands in frustration**</nowiki> okay. Whatever. I suppose it doesn't matter enough to pursue it. Ecch. Drama is so...confusing. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:12, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Oddly enough, I'm trying to ''avoid'' drama. I haven't even told Aardvark I'm doing this, I figured he'd vandalize again (although I think he found out). The way to minimize drama is to reduce the amount of upsetting info available, but Tbeatty and Toronic (maybe the same?) insist on prolonging it. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Redfur

2006-12-22T01:13:53Z

Redfur: formatting, I think this was intended

User talk:Redfur

2006-12-22T01:08:32Z

Redfur: /* Edit reasons */ - clarify

User talk:Redfur

2006-12-22T01:06:18Z

Redfur: /* Edit reasons */ - explanation

Welcome to WikiFur, Redfur! [[User talk:GreenReaper|let me know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

== Edit reasons ==

It's not clear to me why [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Vandal_%28Blu_Aardvark%29&curid=19783&diff=108112&oldid=107540&rcid=111340 this] edit needed made. Granted, I can't read much of this <s>ED drama</s> abject nonsense without getting confused and/or getting a headache. Could you explain to me why you made that edit and, more to the point, why the one user page is better than the other? It looks to me like you have been reverted on the same edit once in the past. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 01:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
*No, that page just came into existence, so I couldn't have been reverted before for removing a link to the page. The reason the first is linked to and not the second is because the only difference is that the second has personal information that is of no use in checkusering, identifying a pattern of edits, or anything else related to vandalfighting. There's no need to link to personal info, so I linked to the first one instead. THis has nothing to do with ED, only with Toronic and Tbeatty making Aardvark's personal info more available out of spite. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-22T00:52:08Z

Redfur: /* Recent reverts */ - yes, it's a cover-up

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account] there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here] is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara Samsara], [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:RoundHouseKickToTheFace RoundHouseKickToTheFace], and [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:AnHeroIsSpeltWrong AnHeroIsSpeltWrong], registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I followed your link to "this comment" and I see Samsara asking the guy running that wiki to be a sysop. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he follows my edits here and saw that I exposed him. Now he's trying to cover it up. But the point is, Shifting Souls is not Miltopia. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:JSharp

2006-12-14T09:59:39Z

Redfur: not several - 2 for 2

'''Please do not copy conversations here, I watch pages that I edit (which includes other talk pages)'''

Thanks for your assistance with the recent vandalism. May I ask your point of origin? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
* My point of origin is the midwestern united states. No problem helping out with the recent flood of vandalism (wonder where it's comming from, seems to be coordinated somehow). I hate seeing a great resource become the target of such meaningless and rather stupid attacks. Still trying to figure out the quirks of this particular wiki - I hope all of my reverts were correct (esp. what appeared to be subtle vandalism).

::Well, hopefully, you have. With the particular flood rate, it's probably a handful of people with access to some web proxies. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the warm welcome :) . I hope to be here for some time. [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==Vandalism and previously reverted nice comment==
Sorry about not signing in when I left my other comment earlier (the nice one posted before it was edited by the vandal) [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks and welcome aboard. I assumed the [[User talk:Frizzy|unsigned message]] you left was from a vandal because the IP address [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=199.77.129.53 199.77.129.53] was also used to vandalize the article [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&action=history WikiFur]. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 06:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry about that, I use a proxy of sorts myself (tor) as I have a great need for privacy (yeah, well I guess I am just a bit paranoid). Thanks for the welcome to WikiFUR. I am glad I could help out -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Ahh, Tor. Yes, we had quite a bit of fun from that - 1500 edits in 30 minutes as I recall. It's a good thing the Wikia server admins and helpstaff were on the ball. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Well now that I have an account here I don't need to use it so much anymore. :) I can't really control the actions of other tor users, it's a pitty such a great resource is ruined by inconsiderate people. At least tor maintains a blacklist of all exit nodes in use so abuse can be quickly black-holed. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 07:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with the latest round of vandalism. It looks like some twit from pol.co.uk was obtaining new addresses via DHCP to evade bans. So I banned the /16s involved, which should help deal with the issue. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:No Problem.. Hopefully it won't become a massive coordinated flood-- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::It appears to have been the work of one user. And I'm about to send a complaint off to his ISP, since what he did almost certainly violates their AUP. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I might check with GreenReaper before firing off a complaint... in my experience it tends to encourage them. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh, we've discussed this exact scenario before. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::All 'righty then :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::: Following up on this, I heard back from the perp's ISP today. They have "taken action" as per their AUP. They can't tell me what was done due to the usual data privacy laws, but I see that as an encouraging sign. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 18:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Welcome to [[WikiFur:Administrators]]! ==

To make it easier for you to revert future vandalism, I've added you to the administrators group. You can learn more about the additional features now available to you in the ''See also'' links on the above page. Be bold! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for trusting me :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

== Person exclusion without current article ==

Within the last few minutes I've had the misfortune of encountering a situation with which I've had no prior experience -- an unregistered user has removed a single name from the [[:Category:People/People to add]] page. I had reverted the change once and the same IP has made the change again. I've now left a message on their [[User talk:69.231.20.143|talk page]] about removing information without reason and a link to our personal information policy. I then reverted the change again. I think that the specificity of these edits might indicate that this IP is of the person concerned and I would greatly appreciate advice on how to procede if they should decide to edit the page again without providing more information to us. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 19:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

:In this specific case, I don't think there's a real problem with removing names on the People to add list. It actually saves time over us having to go through the process of excluding an article later (unless someone makes it via another link). There's not much "information" in just a name. :-)

:In general, there's no need to tell people they're going to be banned for removing stuff in the first instance, except in very bad situations. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]] - chances are, they ''are'' that person, and are just not particularly interested in having an article. Be welcoming, and then you will probably get a better response from that person (and they will have a better impression of WikiFur, so we avoid situations like [http://thefoxes.livejournal.com/26151.html this]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

::You make many excellent points. In retrospect it seems obvious that they would be that person and that I really should have assumed good faith. In the future I'll be a bit less intense. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

== New Featured Article ==
I wouldn't mind taking over the duty of writing the summary for featured articles for this week. I looked for something to write about but I can't really find any consensus on the featured article candidates page. What articles would you suggest? -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

:I would suggest that you have a look at some of the [[Special:Longpages|long pages]] and see if there are any on there that have not been featured. Longness in and of itself is not a sign of greatness, but articles should have ''some'' length to be featured, so it's a good start. Once you think you've found a good choice, try to condense the gist of it down into three or four fairly short paragraphs, with appropriate links to other articles, and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:This_week%27s_featured_article/Week_27%2C_2006&action=edit replace the redirect with it]. Have a look at [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:This_week%27s_featured_article/Week_26%2C_2006&action=edit last week's] examples of formatting and linking. And good luck! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

== Question ==

Sorry to bother you DeVandalizer, I recently began hearing about you and your cause, I just wanted to ask a question, if someone messes with any of the pages I made (I mean '''REALLY''' messes like what happened to Spaz Kitty), I should report the "damage" as well as their user name to you, right? if so, I'm glad there is someone who will take the fight to these vandals, thanks for your time. - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:First off it's no bother.. I appreciate your taking the time to thank me for my work. However I do not really take the fight ''to'' the vandals I have to wait for them to come to me. I usually watch [[Special:Recent Changes]] for new edits and check to see if the edits are valid. Because I and the other admins check all the edits made there's no real need to report each incident to me personally (though I appreciate the offer). However, if there is a major vandalism in progress you could email greenreaper, myself, or another admin for help in reverting/steming the tide or blocking the offending user. However, one of the best features of the wiki is that everyone can contribute equally -- if you see damage you can fix go right ahead and fix it :) . To spare you from a long drawn out speech I'll say this about reverts -- Unless its patently nonsense or without any value to the article don't delete it, edit it instead or as wikipedia says [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]]. The best advice I can give is to use "common sense" in deciding what action to take. If you have any questions aren't sure of what to do feel free to contact one of the "admins" or another contributor for help. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 14:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Spaz Kitty ==

what i mean when I was refering to her was back on her main page, someone totally messed with her page, completely vandalized it, you can see it in the history section for her page if you go to - http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Spaz_Kitty&diff=66989&oldid=66918 - I hope this further explains what I mean't - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners page ==

Did you see what happened to my page, some guy named Longcat totally messed it up - http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Extinctioners&diff=68938&oldid=68733 - but thatnks to Spaz Kitty, she fixed it, she really does good work, but has that guy been banned? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:Looks like they were blocked for 1 month. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 23:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

== Dragon Lady pic placement ==

Hey DeVandalizer, I just wanna ask you a question about your pic placement edit on the Dragon Lady page, I noticed you moved the Dargon Lady pic towards the top of the page and left the other where it was, I was wondering if its ok to move the other pic towards the top also (jus to to make the placement even, you know), let me know what you think? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:Usually article text starts in the upper left corner of the article frame. This convention allows for a more consistent structure between articles which allows the reader to find what they're looking for more easily. The reason I made this edit to improve consistency with the other articles, not because you're original correction was in any way wrong it's just that it, in my opinion, more closely follows the de facto article format.
::Oh, I see, I understand, thank you for the reply, I just though I would ask before I did something that would be disapproved of, I just have this thing about order & placement but from you told me, I see where you coming from, do you want me to go an do similar things to other related character pages connected with Extinctioners? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:::No problem, I appreciate you asking me what I was doing rather than just undoing it. It will be good working with you to better the wiki. I really appreciate your efforts. I like your suggestion of changing the other Extinctioners character's pages to match. I'll help out later (bed time now) :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Contact ==

This might be an odd question but you wouldn't have yahoo messenger by any chance, would you? I thought it would be easier in terms of communication, instead of "chatting" on each others usertalk pages, if you do and you would like to discuss certain topics concerning Wikifur and its articles using yahoo messenger, let me know but if you prefer not to, I understand - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:I don't really use any IM but you can reach me by e-mail using the e-mail this uesr link at my user page. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

== ED ==

Currently, 2 of our admins are minors. One other person was, but he's 18 now. Also, link me to where a lawsuit was threatened outside of the DMCA format. Also, how can you have a sentence as ridiculous as "Some in the community beleve that this rivalry may exist because wikipedia gives uncyclopedia its blessing and while it does not bless Encyclopedia Dramatica." and claim NPOV while keeping a straight face? I have no problem with you guys insulting ED, but when you try to keep an NPOV wiki and you keep it like that, you do no one a favor. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:You're right.. It needs more fixing. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::Relating to Wikipedia's blessing - since Uncyclopedia is a wikicity (or whatever it's called now) the two are owned by Jimbo anyway. So of course Uncyclopedia is where Wikipedians go to get their lulz. Also, ED is much crueler than Uncyclopedia to Wikipedia. But the sentence is still useless and should be left out in my opinion. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I think the sentence should be rephrased to indicate this new information and not deleted as it is important to explaining the "possible" rivalry. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::::When you have two humor based wikis with many contributors, there's gonna be a rivalry. That's where the rivalry comes from. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Then the competing viewpoints should be noted and explained. That's true NPOV. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::Okay. Then the real reason we don't like Uncyclopedia is because they're notoriously unfunny =) (only black can balance white, not gray). [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I liked your earlier explaination better, it's more logical and doesn't really rely on personal opinion. I find uncyclopedia to be funny without being offensive, unlike encyclopedia dramatica (in my opinion). I think that putting up both viewpoints would be NPOV. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 12:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== Chakat image ==

Neat that you've taken the time to draw a Chakat. I'd suggest contacting Bernard Doove to confirm that it matches his vision. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. I've contacted Bernard Doove as suggested and I am currently awaiting a response. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 07:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Jona Warrior Faerie.png ==

I'm sorry; I accidentally reverted Image:Jona Warrior Faerie.png to an earlier version. (I didn't even know that was possible to do with an image!) I hope it's easily fixed. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if you can revert a revert... -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::You can. ;) I just clicked the 'rev' link next to JSharp's last upload, the smallest one. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== hai 2 u ==
Im in ur talk page, leavin u msgs. <3 --[[User:Zionistacat|Zionistacat]] 07:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:Hello to you as well. :) -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 07:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Image:FurAffinityFenderBadge.jpg ==

Hello JSharp,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:FurAffinityFenderBadge.jpg]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

'''I was thinking of tagging it with one of our ''fair use'' tags, but I don't see it as being used in a fair use way, since it's used as part of a template on User pages.'''

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 01:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

== No hard feelings? ==

I'd cry if there were! AfD's aren't serious business, and I actually voted keep on both ;_; [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:JSharp

2006-12-14T09:41:24Z

Redfur: No hard feelings?

'''Please do not copy conversations here, I watch pages that I edit (which includes other talk pages)'''

Thanks for your assistance with the recent vandalism. May I ask your point of origin? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
* My point of origin is the midwestern united states. No problem helping out with the recent flood of vandalism (wonder where it's comming from, seems to be coordinated somehow). I hate seeing a great resource become the target of such meaningless and rather stupid attacks. Still trying to figure out the quirks of this particular wiki - I hope all of my reverts were correct (esp. what appeared to be subtle vandalism).

::Well, hopefully, you have. With the particular flood rate, it's probably a handful of people with access to some web proxies. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the warm welcome :) . I hope to be here for some time. [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==Vandalism and previously reverted nice comment==
Sorry about not signing in when I left my other comment earlier (the nice one posted before it was edited by the vandal) [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks and welcome aboard. I assumed the [[User talk:Frizzy|unsigned message]] you left was from a vandal because the IP address [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=199.77.129.53 199.77.129.53] was also used to vandalize the article [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&action=history WikiFur]. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 06:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry about that, I use a proxy of sorts myself (tor) as I have a great need for privacy (yeah, well I guess I am just a bit paranoid). Thanks for the welcome to WikiFUR. I am glad I could help out -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Ahh, Tor. Yes, we had quite a bit of fun from that - 1500 edits in 30 minutes as I recall. It's a good thing the Wikia server admins and helpstaff were on the ball. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Well now that I have an account here I don't need to use it so much anymore. :) I can't really control the actions of other tor users, it's a pitty such a great resource is ruined by inconsiderate people. At least tor maintains a blacklist of all exit nodes in use so abuse can be quickly black-holed. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 07:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with the latest round of vandalism. It looks like some twit from pol.co.uk was obtaining new addresses via DHCP to evade bans. So I banned the /16s involved, which should help deal with the issue. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:No Problem.. Hopefully it won't become a massive coordinated flood-- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::It appears to have been the work of one user. And I'm about to send a complaint off to his ISP, since what he did almost certainly violates their AUP. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I might check with GreenReaper before firing off a complaint... in my experience it tends to encourage them. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh, we've discussed this exact scenario before. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::All 'righty then :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 21:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::: Following up on this, I heard back from the perp's ISP today. They have "taken action" as per their AUP. They can't tell me what was done due to the usual data privacy laws, but I see that as an encouraging sign. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 18:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Welcome to [[WikiFur:Administrators]]! ==

To make it easier for you to revert future vandalism, I've added you to the administrators group. You can learn more about the additional features now available to you in the ''See also'' links on the above page. Be bold! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for trusting me :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

== Person exclusion without current article ==

Within the last few minutes I've had the misfortune of encountering a situation with which I've had no prior experience -- an unregistered user has removed a single name from the [[:Category:People/People to add]] page. I had reverted the change once and the same IP has made the change again. I've now left a message on their [[User talk:69.231.20.143|talk page]] about removing information without reason and a link to our personal information policy. I then reverted the change again. I think that the specificity of these edits might indicate that this IP is of the person concerned and I would greatly appreciate advice on how to procede if they should decide to edit the page again without providing more information to us. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 19:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

:In this specific case, I don't think there's a real problem with removing names on the People to add list. It actually saves time over us having to go through the process of excluding an article later (unless someone makes it via another link). There's not much "information" in just a name. :-)

:In general, there's no need to tell people they're going to be banned for removing stuff in the first instance, except in very bad situations. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]] - chances are, they ''are'' that person, and are just not particularly interested in having an article. Be welcoming, and then you will probably get a better response from that person (and they will have a better impression of WikiFur, so we avoid situations like [http://thefoxes.livejournal.com/26151.html this]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

::You make many excellent points. In retrospect it seems obvious that they would be that person and that I really should have assumed good faith. In the future I'll be a bit less intense. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

== New Featured Article ==
I wouldn't mind taking over the duty of writing the summary for featured articles for this week. I looked for something to write about but I can't really find any consensus on the featured article candidates page. What articles would you suggest? -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

:I would suggest that you have a look at some of the [[Special:Longpages|long pages]] and see if there are any on there that have not been featured. Longness in and of itself is not a sign of greatness, but articles should have ''some'' length to be featured, so it's a good start. Once you think you've found a good choice, try to condense the gist of it down into three or four fairly short paragraphs, with appropriate links to other articles, and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:This_week%27s_featured_article/Week_27%2C_2006&action=edit replace the redirect with it]. Have a look at [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=WikiFur:This_week%27s_featured_article/Week_26%2C_2006&action=edit last week's] examples of formatting and linking. And good luck! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

== Question ==

Sorry to bother you DeVandalizer, I recently began hearing about you and your cause, I just wanted to ask a question, if someone messes with any of the pages I made (I mean '''REALLY''' messes like what happened to Spaz Kitty), I should report the "damage" as well as their user name to you, right? if so, I'm glad there is someone who will take the fight to these vandals, thanks for your time. - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:First off it's no bother.. I appreciate your taking the time to thank me for my work. However I do not really take the fight ''to'' the vandals I have to wait for them to come to me. I usually watch [[Special:Recent Changes]] for new edits and check to see if the edits are valid. Because I and the other admins check all the edits made there's no real need to report each incident to me personally (though I appreciate the offer). However, if there is a major vandalism in progress you could email greenreaper, myself, or another admin for help in reverting/steming the tide or blocking the offending user. However, one of the best features of the wiki is that everyone can contribute equally -- if you see damage you can fix go right ahead and fix it :) . To spare you from a long drawn out speech I'll say this about reverts -- Unless its patently nonsense or without any value to the article don't delete it, edit it instead or as wikipedia says [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]]. The best advice I can give is to use "common sense" in deciding what action to take. If you have any questions aren't sure of what to do feel free to contact one of the "admins" or another contributor for help. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 14:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Spaz Kitty ==

what i mean when I was refering to her was back on her main page, someone totally messed with her page, completely vandalized it, you can see it in the history section for her page if you go to - http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Spaz_Kitty&diff=66989&oldid=66918 - I hope this further explains what I mean't - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners page ==

Did you see what happened to my page, some guy named Longcat totally messed it up - http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Extinctioners&diff=68938&oldid=68733 - but thatnks to Spaz Kitty, she fixed it, she really does good work, but has that guy been banned? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:Looks like they were blocked for 1 month. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 23:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

== Dragon Lady pic placement ==

Hey DeVandalizer, I just wanna ask you a question about your pic placement edit on the Dragon Lady page, I noticed you moved the Dargon Lady pic towards the top of the page and left the other where it was, I was wondering if its ok to move the other pic towards the top also (jus to to make the placement even, you know), let me know what you think? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:Usually article text starts in the upper left corner of the article frame. This convention allows for a more consistent structure between articles which allows the reader to find what they're looking for more easily. The reason I made this edit to improve consistency with the other articles, not because you're original correction was in any way wrong it's just that it, in my opinion, more closely follows the de facto article format.
::Oh, I see, I understand, thank you for the reply, I just though I would ask before I did something that would be disapproved of, I just have this thing about order & placement but from you told me, I see where you coming from, do you want me to go an do similar things to other related character pages connected with Extinctioners? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:::No problem, I appreciate you asking me what I was doing rather than just undoing it. It will be good working with you to better the wiki. I really appreciate your efforts. I like your suggestion of changing the other Extinctioners character's pages to match. I'll help out later (bed time now) :) -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:31, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Contact ==

This might be an odd question but you wouldn't have yahoo messenger by any chance, would you? I thought it would be easier in terms of communication, instead of "chatting" on each others usertalk pages, if you do and you would like to discuss certain topics concerning Wikifur and its articles using yahoo messenger, let me know but if you prefer not to, I understand - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:I don't really use any IM but you can reach me by e-mail using the e-mail this uesr link at my user page. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

== ED ==

Currently, 2 of our admins are minors. One other person was, but he's 18 now. Also, link me to where a lawsuit was threatened outside of the DMCA format. Also, how can you have a sentence as ridiculous as "Some in the community beleve that this rivalry may exist because wikipedia gives uncyclopedia its blessing and while it does not bless Encyclopedia Dramatica." and claim NPOV while keeping a straight face? I have no problem with you guys insulting ED, but when you try to keep an NPOV wiki and you keep it like that, you do no one a favor. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:You're right.. It needs more fixing. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::Relating to Wikipedia's blessing - since Uncyclopedia is a wikicity (or whatever it's called now) the two are owned by Jimbo anyway. So of course Uncyclopedia is where Wikipedians go to get their lulz. Also, ED is much crueler than Uncyclopedia to Wikipedia. But the sentence is still useless and should be left out in my opinion. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I think the sentence should be rephrased to indicate this new information and not deleted as it is important to explaining the "possible" rivalry. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::::When you have two humor based wikis with many contributors, there's gonna be a rivalry. That's where the rivalry comes from. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Then the competing viewpoints should be noted and explained. That's true NPOV. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::Okay. Then the real reason we don't like Uncyclopedia is because they're notoriously unfunny =) (only black can balance white, not gray). [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I liked your earlier explaination better, it's more logical and doesn't really rely on personal opinion. I find uncyclopedia to be funny without being offensive, unlike encyclopedia dramatica (in my opinion). I think that putting up both viewpoints would be NPOV. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 12:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== Chakat image ==

Neat that you've taken the time to draw a Chakat. I'd suggest contacting Bernard Doove to confirm that it matches his vision. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. I've contacted Bernard Doove as suggested and I am currently awaiting a response. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 07:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Jona Warrior Faerie.png ==

I'm sorry; I accidentally reverted Image:Jona Warrior Faerie.png to an earlier version. (I didn't even know that was possible to do with an image!) I hope it's easily fixed. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if you can revert a revert... -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::You can. ;) I just clicked the 'rev' link next to JSharp's last upload, the smallest one. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== hai 2 u ==
Im in ur talk page, leavin u msgs. <3 --[[User:Zionistacat|Zionistacat]] 07:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:Hello to you as well. :) -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 07:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Image:FurAffinityFenderBadge.jpg ==

Hello JSharp,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:FurAffinityFenderBadge.jpg]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

'''I was thinking of tagging it with one of our ''fair use'' tags, but I don't see it as being used in a fair use way, since it's used as part of a template on User pages.'''

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 01:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

== No hard feelings? ==

I'd cry if there were! AfD's aren't serious business, and I actually voted keep on several ;_; [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-14T09:17:53Z

Redfur: /* Recent reverts */ - update

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account] there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here] is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, the name on there was. Then the guy running that wiki, also known on Encyclopedia Dramatica as [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara Samsara], [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:RoundHouseKickToTheFace RoundHouseKickToTheFace], and [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:AnHeroIsSpeltWrong AnHeroIsSpeltWrong], registered the name and edited here, as he states in [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:InfernoOfPlasma&diff=4942&oldid=4940 this comment]. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-14T09:08:02Z

Redfur: be a good troll tactic, but not much more than that

This page needs this entire wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MER-C/Blu_Aardvark mixed into it. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 14:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for this page, as Aardvark has stopped vandalizing WikiFur. It now only exists to violate privacy. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*I suspect you are Blu Aardvark. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
**Yes, that would be a convenient way for you to dismiss my contributions and go on violating his privacy for no reason, so I'm not surprised that you suspect that. However, as you can see, if you followed by edits more closely and weren't just reacting, I've forgotten to log in a couple times and have exposed my IP. A WHOIS on said IP will show you that I am not. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 05:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
***So you claim you are someone else from Encyclopedia Dramatica, rather than on a proxy The Aardvark uses? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
****I ''claim'' nothing. I ''am not'' Blu Aardvark. That's actually all I've stated, be careful when assuming. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 06:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*****Who are you on ED? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 06:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
******Who says I'm from ED? Furries aren't exactly welcome there, after all. I just lurk in there IRC channel, partially to catch trolling. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 06:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*******Actually, ED is pretty tolerant nowadays-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 07:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*Anyway, enough about me. Why is Aardvark's personal info here? He no longer vandalizes here as I understand. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 07:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:: We keep track of repeat vandals so that we can better identify them and deal with them if future incidents occur. It's pretty standard over on WikiPedia, so we recently started doing the same here as well. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 18:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:::He hasn't vandalized since October. At what point is this personal info no longer useful? [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::::He never actually vandalized in the first place. Lol wikifurfags. --[[User:209.237.76.126|209.237.76.126]] 19:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::IRLOL. --(Guess who) 01:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the zip code and IPs, basically the personal info is what he puts up on his websites that are linked to. It would be nice if one day Wikifur had an article on him in Category:Aardvark characters instead of simply a vandal page. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 08:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*It'd be a good troll tactic against him, that's for sure. However, if you want an accurate furry database here, that would be a bad idea, since he's not a furry. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 09:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:GreenReaper

2006-12-14T06:39:21Z

Redfur: /* Request */ - r

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Welcome Response September 12, 2006 ==

Thank you, GreenReaper. I kinda stumbled across this site yesterday and decided to 1. Create an account and 2. Make my page. I was quite flattered to find my name listed in the DJ section of Rainbow Tiger's page, so I got my hooves wet and started a personal page. I'll try to keep it rated PG, but we'll have to see what happens. I'll have a placeholder up for a while with many ... many edits while I figure out the syntax.

[[Heuvadoches Naumova]]

== Welcome response ==

You're welcome! I'll be sure to let you know if I need any help. =^.^= -[[User:Alfador|Alfador]]

Thanks, GR. -- [[User:VederJuda|VederJuda]] 10:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[PAINWOLF]] ==
Name painwolf I need to talk to about my page.

Contact Info:
Yahoo and AIM: NL4PAINWOLF
MSN: PAINWOLF@hotmail.com

E-mails: PAINWOLF@gmail.com

:''Replied'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

== Norn ==

Ok, so i guess the question is, why is there a norn running around on the furry edit link ... it seems to hide if I try to interact directly. Do you have more info? -- [[User:Mongoose|Amar Shadowpaws]] 14:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think his name is Hebe. He followed me over from the [[w:c:Creatures|Creatures Wiki]]. I've not had the time to catch him and release him back into [[w:c:Creatures:Albia|the wild]] yet. Besides, he likes to help out - he's done a good job at finishing off the stubs people leave around. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks for coming to lunch ==

Here are my [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania_Notes notes] from our lunch. We will start working hard to get more information out on where the features and bug fixes are going. I really appreciated your support and encouragement, not too mention chatting with you at dinner Thursday. [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]| [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gil talk]

==Response to Welcome==
Just wanna say thanks for the greeting, I'll be sure to ask if I need help with anything ;)

Thanks for greeting me. I had to make my own page look a little spiffier ya know? :D

==Thanks for cleaning up after me==
I've been multitasking, so I'm a little scatterbrained at the moment. =^_^!= --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

And me as well, thanks. Couldn't figure out why I couldn't get those wikipedia links working internally, o,O
--[[User:Animakitty|Anima]] 18:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Picture on commons ==
Your lecture was very interesting. I have one more picture of you. See:
*http://www.poli.toya.net.pl/Wikimania_2006_galeria/pages/100-0070_IMG.html
Fill free to copy it if you want.

Polimerek.

:Thanks again! I'll do that. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== infoboxes ? ==

I copied [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Webcomic]] to [[Template:Infobox webcomic]] because I thought having webcomic infoboxes (such as the one at [[Wikipedia:Aozora]]) would be nice. The template partially works (example at [[User:EarthFurst]]). I'm guessing the rest of that template doesn't work because WikiFur doesn't have [[Template:If]] ? WP has [[Wikipedia:Template:If]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:According to [[User:Splarka|Splarka]], it's due to a problem with tables and parserfunctions on Wikia. He going to try fixing it . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Hmm, the infobox was working beautifully at [[TwoKinds]], but doesn't seem to be working now. I've posted question to wikia's Help desk on the matter http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia_hiccup_%3F&t=20060817035856 . I'm reverting [[TwoKinds]] until the error is resolved. I'll be re-checking [[User:EarthFurst]] to see when the infox starts working again. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Did you know? ==

[[Rod O'Riley]]'s band [[Illegal Operation]] will be performing live as part of the furry programming track at this month's [[Worldcon]] in the Los Angeles area. Do you think it would be a reasonable use of the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] box to add an entry for this to help draw attention to it? Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 16:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:Don't see why not. That whole section could do with a full update. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just got some bad news that the concert event had to be cancelled due to issues out of their control, so I revised the entry. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

It's fun to see that my bio is a Featured article now. That means both of my pages have gotten onto the front page.
[[User:Fox Cutter|Fox Cutter]] 21:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:I know! This wasn't actually intentional - I only noticed after I featured it. It seemed to be a good pick, so it went up. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Hi there! ==

Thanks very much pal, if I need any help I know who to turn to now. ^^

- Eric B.

P.S. I'm sorry for posting this as an article, I really don't know how to respond to the comment you gave me. Well, maybe I need your help already. ^^;

== RVDDP2501 ==

Hey GreenReaper, Its been a while since I had last heard from you, hows things? Listen, I just wanted to say thanks for the reversion of the damaged done to one of my character pages, man, when will this stupidness stop, hope to hear from you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there. Things are good! The vandalism will continue, undoubtedly, to a greater or lesser extent, but we seem to be coping with it well enough. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)''

::Hi GreenReaper, the upgrade was a pleasant surprise after that last bit of unpleasant business. Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 04:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== sorry for the previous post : ==

Sorry for the post, I just wanted to report a raid that was headed your way.
If i suspect a raid in the future where do you think i should report this too?
:I had to check the article history to find the post you were referring to. At a guess, it was probably mistaken for link spam, which we get here fairly often. We do appreciate the efforts of people to notify us of attacks in the offing. For future reference, it would be helpful to include a couple of sentences saying what is to be found at the link. (By the way, when I tried the link just now I got a 'Thread Not Found' error - whatver had been there is gone now.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 07:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:Here is fine, although you could try the [[Forum:Index|forum]] as well. As for your post, someone else edited my user page to remove it, but I'd already read the thread before you posted it so that was OK. :-)

:We get a lot of people planning stuff, but half of them never show up, and the rest turn out only to have 5 people or so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Incomming Raid Group!!! ==

[[Image:Wikifur.png|left|frame|This is the [[WikiFur]] logo!]]

Be On the lookout for the next few days please sir! --[[User:PaulRevere|PaulRevere]] 21:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:It would be helpful if we had a link to the site where this came from so we could investigate further. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, DeusEx again? He's been working on that for a while, as I recall. I guess we'll see if anything comes of it. We've coped quite well so far with a full bot attack, even when it was using a network of 600 proxies.

:It's cute the way they seem to think using Í will stop google indexing their site, let alone the "totally inept" part. So far it's about 10-0 on successful "organized" raids. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::That reminds me - did we ever implement a "panic button" - something any of the admins could use in an emergency to block all updates if a major vandalism/bot attack were in progress? If there is an easy way to protect the entire site to sysop only, that would probably suffice. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Like a "Lock-down" script? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::More like a "restrict edits to group X" script, though locking the DB might be a reasonable first step. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:: You know, we need to write an app to have a [[User:Nidonocu#Score_Board|Score Board]] like what Nidonocu has. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I edit that manually you know. ;) Though I agree a panic page would be useful. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh Gods ^-^ or a [[Wikipedia:DHS|DHS]]'s like [[Wikipedia:Homeland_Security_Advisory_System|Security Advisory System]],... "Today's Threat Level is "Fluffy," with some chances of /b/tards in the afternoon." [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Removing a name on "People". ==

Hello there! i am Crowe Basalt, and previously, i did go by "Grimmutt". i edited an article on "Grimmutt", but, as i am going back to only using the "Crowe Basalt" name, i'd like to have "Grimmutt"'s page removed.

thank you! {{unsigned|Crowebasalt}}

:Hi there, Crowe, and welcome back to WikiFur! The best way to go about that is usually to move the article, as that preserves the original history. I will fix that up later tonight when I get home. Do you wish us to keep the information about your character Grimmutt as a separate section on the page about you, or should I remove it and just mention that you used to go by the name? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alternative to page protection ==

Hey, this is Carrie Pika.

Is there any way I can get this page locked so it shows only this? I don't want anyone adding personal information about me without my knowledge, so I'd like to have it left at just this.

Thanks~ {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:We can probably do that. You could also just put your email into your [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]] and then click the Watch tab, so it will tell you whenever someone edits so that you can check it out. Which would you prefer? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that'd work great, actually! I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks! {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:Excellentage. Enjoy WikiFur. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== And thanks to you. ==

I do appreciate the clean-up of my page, and the separation of the book summary. Many thanks! You guys do an amazing job here. - Alicia

:You're welcome. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

== something to be very angry ==

I wrote an article and someone, german wrote me this:

"Meine Fresse, ich hab noch nie so ein BESCHISSENES ENGLISCH gelesen. Kauf dir mal ein verdammtes Leben!!"

In a free translation it's:"Damn I've never read such a shitty english. Buy a damn life"
Well maybe my english isn't taht good but is it necessary to write the comment in this way? Without an name or anything else.

I think you're not able to find out who did it are you?

And so maybe you could delete my account and the article about me. because I don't want to be a part of something like this. Sorry and thanks for the chocolat. ^^ {{unsigned|Andraste}}

:That comment [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Andraste&action=history was made] by a person with the IP address [[User:89.48.235.195|89.48.235.195]]. They are obviously not a regular user, otherwise they would indeed have signed their comment - and made the edit with a registered account. That edit to the talk page was their [[Special:Contributions/89.48.235.195|only contribution so far]]. There is therefore little to say about them, other than that their IP address resolved to the name "Lebc3.l.pppool.de" - probably a dialup account in Germany.

:I would suggest you pay as much attention to you as someone who posts once on a forum anonymously to insult you, never having contributed to that forum before - that is, precisely no attention at all. If your English is not the best, so what? You are German! The fact that you can write English at all is better than most English people could do with German. If they thought the article was bad, the anonymous editor should have fixed it rather than complained about it. And, in fact, many others did. :-)

:In the last day [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Andraste&action=history several edits] by at least four other people have been made to the article about you (perhaps you made a link to it from somewhere else?). I would ask that you consider '''those''' edits to be an example of what WikiFur is, and not the anonymous commenter - who, I would note, could not even manage to put their ''own'' comment in English. We have [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|a policy against personal attacks]], and any regular contributor would know better than to make such a comment. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Recategorization of [[List of convention acronyms]] ==

I don't see why this fits better with [[:Category:Convention terms]] than [[:Category:Conventions]] when it seems to fit the Conventions cat just as well as [[List of furs who were married at a furry con]] or [[List of conventions by attendance]] (both of which are in [[:Category:Conventions]]), since like those two, its a sort of comparison/reference list between different conventions, as opposed to Category:Convention terms which seems to be a list of general terms used within a convention. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 21:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

:OK. Change it back if you wish. My view was that an acronym was a convention term, but I can can see your side too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur now adversarial? ==

I've read with interest the discussion on Sibe, specifically your comment:

''That is why I am opposed to the removal of the article in whole - because what he has done deserves remembering. It is our business, because Sibe has been bothering us as a community.''

Does this mean Wikifur will not be so much as a source of neutral information, but that Wikifur will now become adversarial in relations to information about people who you (singularly or collectively) believe have wronged Furry? Do you feel that it's now your job/right/reponsibility to punish these people by using Wikifur as a "bully pulpit"?

I hope this isn't the case. Wikifur, despite a healthy dose of pro-Furry slobbery, has been a respectable source of neutral information.

:You'd have to put that question to the wider community for a full answer, as it's a question about where they want WikiFur to go. I'm one of the editors leading the project, but there are others. Still, I can provide some explanation, and the answer I would give is basically "no, but we're not going to go out of our way to do such people any favours either."

:The information on the individuals itself ''should'' unquestionably be neutral and factual (no, this doesn't always happen, and if you see a problem, please explain why and fix it). The only choice we have been making in some cases is whether or not to ''remove'' that neutral information (or some of it) on request, per the [[WikiFur:Personal information|personal information policy]]. This might well ''not'' be a neutral decision, because this is a community made up of members of the furry fandom, and as it is our website it is up to us to decide whether or not that is appropriate. Ultimately our role is to serve the best interests of the fandom, and that generally means trying not to hurt those who are or have been worthwhile members of it. We may care less about the possibility of hurting other people.

:If a person is just a regular member of the fandom - maybe well-regarded, maybe just "one of the gang", then people tend not to fuss too much if they want to remove personal information - and if they have not really done all that much special, that might include the entire article about them (if not, then references to them might remain in other articles). If an individual has, over time, given the community a significant amount of grief, they are likely to say "no, this person is just trying to hide from the problems they have caused" and deny the request. In short, if they've had no respect for our community, then we as a community are likely to have as little respect for them. That is why exclusions that may be contentious go to talk pages - so that the community can decide what to do in that particular situation.

:These sorts of situation are fortunately pretty rare. In Sibe's case, though, his "bothering" was widely commented-on, were intimately connected to his person (not any external group), and occured over a long period of time. If WikiFur is recording furry history, it makes little sense to exclude him, particularly given that he has shown no reticence (or regret) on occasion over detailing the lives of others where it suited ''him''. We're perfectly aware that he doesn't like it being up there, but over time he's pissed off enough people in the fandom that few seem to care about what he feels anymore.

:The thing is, all we have to do is say the truth. His own actions are what comdemn him. We don't even need to say they were bad. If telling the truth about someone makes them look bad in the eyes of the reader, then it's a fair bet that they deserve it.

:This situation of information removal based on respect does not really apply to groups, whatever the standing of the group in the community. I would not support removing the history of the [[Burned Furs]], for example, or that of [[Sociopolitical Ramifications]], or [[FurryMUCK]], because these are important groups that have had a historical impact on the fandom. Maybe if it was a really small and personal group that hasn't . . . again, that'd be discussed on the appropriate talk pages.

One final question: why is it so common to list the real names of people who've had adversarial relations with furry but not with those individuals considered friendly to the fandom? Why are real names included at all?

:There might be various reasons for the inclusion of real names. For some people, their real name is just one item of information about them, such as the colour of their character's fur. Other people might not '''have''' nicknames that are well-known within the fandom (but really, this applies as much if not more to people "friendly to the fandom" as to others). In that case, it seems appropriate to use their real name, just as we tend to use the real name of artists that have used it as their identifier in the fandom.

:In some cases, there may have been a good reason to find out the real name of a person, particularly if it might allow members of the furry fandom to more easily identify a person who is using a variety of nicknames or even their real name in a different venue (we can't say "go look at Laurence's posts in forum X" without telling them who Laurence is). It might also be that people are just more inclined to include the real names of people that they don't like, in the hope that others outside the fandom will see what that person is like. This is not ideal editing, but if the person concerned doesn't request the removal of their name, it will not be changed - the article will be reworded to be based solely on facts if possible, or removed if not.

:The question perhaps shouldn't be "why are real names included at all", but "why aren't real names included for everyone?". Ultimately, aritcles should be under the name which people would link to, and so that is the only name that '''has''' to be there. In the furry fandom, this is more often than not the person's fan name, if they have one. They may only use this name, or they may use their real name as well. If so, people may or may not decide to add it, but it's not considered critical if it's not usually used. Even if a person's real name ''is'' regularly used, in general we will on request remove a person's real name and replace it with their fan name/nickname when describing them, whether or not they are/have been members of the fandom. However, members of the fandom are a) more likely to request this, becuase more of them come here, b) are (slightly) more likely to have such a request accepted (because if non-members are listed here it is usually because they are either famous or infamous, not just because they're furry), and c) are more likely to have such nicknames to use in the first place (we can't exactly say "The comic Fuzzy Things, authored by {blank} . . .").

:I'm aware this answer was rather long and rambling, but that's because I'm tired, and it's a complicated issue when talking in general. If you have specific cases you want explained, feel free to point them out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::GreenReaper, in response to your reply, I have added comments to two talk sections, Sibe and Burned Fur, pointing out what I see as an unfair biasing. I'm interested in your reply on both.

::There's also one other possible point on Sibe that you might want to run by an attorney, since the status of Wiki's as "legitimate publications" is still in legal limbo: Sibe is legally a "private figure" and his actions in Furry do not make him, in the legal sense, a "public figure" (both of these are legal terms). As a private individual, he's afforded certain legal protections about what information can be revealed. These protections may or may not cover his criminal record or other information. I think it would be worth your time to consult with someone from the EFF and make sure you haven't crossed the line. While you say that you're just one editor, if no other person can over-rule your edits without your consent, it's your "publication". As such, even if Sibe were to decide to come after Wikifur ''et al'' for any damages the publication of protected information caused him (if any such protections exist at all), you'd still be on the line. Again, the law regarding this may or may not cover him.

:::I agree (unlike some) that Sibe is a private figure, and as such someone ''might'' be liable if we were negligent in publishing made-up facts, even if we did not act with the knowledge that they were false (or with reckless disregard as to whether or not they were false). For example, if we said that the Burned Furs burned people, that would be libel without good evidence. However, a glance at the talk page archives and article history should show you that we have been willing to work with concerned parties to ensure the accuracy of the article, and to obtain exact sources for assertions where appropriate. We have no interest in being negligent (and certainly not grossly negligent), because that makes for a poor article.

:::In contrast, the limitations on information that is actually ''true'' are really quite small, and in general don't apply to us as a private site. I'm not a lawyer, but this situation has come up before and so I've done some research. Criminal records are public information in the State of Washington (and generally speaking in other states). Most other privacy legislation is aimed at restricting what companies can tell third parties about their customers (who they have a contract with), and not about what individuals (who never agreed to any contract) may publish from their own knowledge. The [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] gives us rather sweeping powers in this area that allow us to publish just about anything as long as it is true, and in practice the "due process" terms of the [[Wikipedia:Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment]] extends this to the states as well. Credit card numbers, social security numbers and driver's license number would probably be stuff that should be removed. Other than that, it's pretty much fair game and up to the community to decide what it ''should'' publish, in a moral sense.

:::[[Wikia:Wikia, Inc.|Wikia]] is able to overrule my edits without my consent. If people feel I'm not doing a good enough job, or that WikiFur is infringing their rights, they should contact them. They have more experience than I do, and I am willing to defer to them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Hi, Peace from AU ==
Hello, my name is D. Coldheartt. I am the head admin of the Alternative Universe wiki which is also pretty big. I am a big fan of, well furry stuff and creatures and animals so i decided to join here. I was wondering if i could also become a administrator here if at all possib;e. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 23:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

: Admin status is generally given to users who have a history of contributing to the wiki. If you're interested in becoming an admin, we recommend following [[Special:Recentchanges]] and contributing to/cleaning up articles, dealing with vandalism, etc.
: I'm curious about this Alternate Universe wiki that you mentioned. Typing "Alternate Universe wiki" into Google [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe+wiki%22&btnG=Search brings up zero matches]. [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe%22+wiki&btnG=Search A slightly more liberal search] did not help me find it either. Did I misspell or typo something? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The AU has actually been down for quite some time and replaced with Vandal Manifest Editthis Wiki. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC) WikiTV started at Revived Haven Editthis and moved on to Meta Wiki. Jimbos one of the users alowed into revived haven. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Vandal+Manifest%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Vandal Manifest] does not turn up anything.
: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Revived+Haven%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Revived Haven] does not turn up anything, either.
: I'm sensing a pattern here. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:: And he first [[:Special:Contributions/D._Coldheartt|spammed a bunch of the admins]] to ask for admin privileges. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 00:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Heres the link: to VM, http://editthis.info/vandal_manifest/Main_Page a former vandal war site but now good. Ignore the messages the page their is called WikiTV. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::None of the pages are available for viewing without a password [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 00:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Please ignore [[User:D. Coldheartt]], it is a swfanon sockpuppeter and general wikia attention spammer. Usernames include: Alacaster Torn, The Vanguard, ThatLittleMidget, Proffesor Mephisto, Black Dawn, Licorice ... --[[w:User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[w:User_talk:Splarka|talk]]) 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Well cheers for the welcome! ==

Just thought I'd drop by and say thanks for the welcome - wasn't expecting that! Been using this site as a resourse for a good while now so I thought it was only right to inflict a little of myself on here.

[[Werewolf Of London]]

== Hey hey ==

Well I had some problems with creating the article of our new Polish Furries forum and website, but I'm good now.

Say would t be a problem for you to place an info about http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Polska_Strefa_Furry on the main page? {{unsigned|TerrisRacoon}}

:I will update our [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] section on the front page, and include a link to that page, as it is interesting to know about new forums.

:Oh, and a couple of tips - you should not remove a message on a talk page after you have saved it - it should be left on the page so that the person can reply. Otherwise there is no record, and it looks as if there has been no message, which is confusing when the window pops up saying "you have new messages". :-) Also, you can sign your name on Talk: pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It gives this sort of result: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

== Furry gaming project...? ==

Seeing as how Wikipedia has a project that concetrates on improving the quality and quantity of gaming articles, may I suggest implementing a similiar project? The amount of games with furry elements is not a small one, and it would be very helpful, if information about those games (most are old, PC DOS titles, which run perfectly under DosBox) was included in one place, for sake of completeness and subject coverage.

Especially games like [[Project Nomad]] could use that coverage, as they have literally truckloads of content, and it would be helpful to store it in one place, much like [[Albion (video game)|Albion]]'s articles are done.

Just a thought.

Oh, and what is the general stance about making articles about oneself? Mikael Grizzly 22:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

:Seems like a nice enough idea. We already have [[WikiFur:Project Fursuit Central|something similar]] for [[fursuit]]ing, although that's been slow recently. The trouble is there are few "meta"-editors at this time, and so you may find it hard to gather contributors to help you out. I would suggest that you concentrate on one or two particular projects at a time so that it doesn't bog down in needing to do 10 different things at once. :-)

:Articles about yourself are fine as long as they are neutrally written, like any other article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Need help putting up an article ==

I want to put up an essay that's under the GNU Free Docement Lisence, and I want to ask for a little bit of tips on how to do it before I actually do it. Or even how I'm suppose to do it. --[[User:Foxpaws-zupe|Foxpaws]] 00:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

:Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do? If you have a GFDL essay from another place, then in general it's fine to just copy it here into a new page as long as you give attribution for the people who wrote it (for example, with Wikipedia you would link to the history page) and preferably link back to the original source. Of course, it would have to fit the topic of the wiki, and be neutral in tone. If it was not neutral (whether or not you wrote it), you should probably avoid putting it in the main namespage - it should go a subpage of your User: space - e.g [[User:Foxpaws-zupe/Article name]] - and it should have a note up at the top similar to that of the [[:Template:personal-article|personal-article template]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey! I'll be alright, I guess. I'll fix the entries up s'more later.

I should remember to tag that 'minor edit' box more often. *nods*

Thank you

== Hi and thankies ==

Hi and thank you for this brill site {{unsigned|Fox92}}

== Happy Birthday! ==

*24 wolftytailswat-spankings!* --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 03:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

== Im sorry for the late reply, but thank you for welcoming me ==

Im afraid I am not use to this place yet and still have a long way to go on it. But im glad that hospitality is shown here ^_^

From [[Duragan]] {{unsigned|Duragan}}

== All Fur Fun now has official dates! ==

Hi there! Could you please edit the convention area to show that [[All Fur Fun]] will be held March 31 - April 1, 2007? Thanks much! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 01:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:Done, and I hope you guys have fun! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Nah~ ==

Just tell me if I should remove the images. They are censored though, but you still see enough~ {{unsigned|Garyu}}

== Vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for repairing the damage to my page as well as other I may not know about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:You're welcome! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Spam cleanup script ==

I have no idea if that was a valid spam cleanup script or if it was an elaborately created vandalism technique, but either way, it was blanking whole pages rather than just removing "spam" links (which weren't actually spam), so I blocked it temporarily. Feel free to unblock it if it isn't actually something trying to erase the whole Wiki. ;3 [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 02:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Higgs Raccoon ==

May I nominate [[User_talk:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] for upgrading to admin? In addition to contributing to numerous articles, he's helped revert vandalism on more than one occasion. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:Let's try that out, then. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Higgs_Raccoon Contributions] are a little low (and lacking discussion edits), but they '''are''' all good, and it's not like there aren't a couple of admins with fewer. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::Well, this is quite an honour. Thankyou Mwalimu for the nomination, and GreenReaper for OKing it. Quite unexpected, really - as noted above, I haven't been here very long and haven't contributed a lot as yet. Hopefully the whole Wikifur novelty won't suddenly wear off. Oh well, if that happens I guess what GreenReaper giveth he can also taketh away! ;) --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 10:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Technically, no - I have to go to Wikia for that. That's why I don't generally give it out without recommendation. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism War! ==

A user going by the name of [[User:Arwel Parry]] is vandalizing a number of pages right now! I'd reverting edits as fast as I can. Always happy to help! --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed vandalism with [[User:Arcturus]] --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Where you be on Eye Arr Cee? ==

*cough* Um.. ignore the poor rhyming, just wondering where you is as I've snuck back to the IRC channel the last few days and haven't seen you on at all. o.O --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:...Now I see your note, make it '''bigger''' next time. X) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== SilvrWingsDragon ==

He! Its me, Carrie, from Anthrocon. I tickled you, remember? And I think I had the pupper fox plushie. :) Whats up?

You can, btw, reach me at AminElea@aol.com

:Hi there! I do indeed remember . . . *hides*

:I'm doing fairly well - indeed, I just went to [http://conclavesf.org another convention] last weekend (which I need to actually write about sometime this week). I'll try and contact you when I get back home - still busy at work right now. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Furcadia origins? ==

I am not trying to be a pain in the rear here, but I wonder about the claim on the furcadia article that says that it has been around since 1996. I was following this stuff back in the late nineties and I was pretty surprised to hear that. Wolfhome was one of the first websites featuring multi-user chat and I don't remember furcadia.com being around. We were running a company by 2000. While I didn't do an exhaustive search, I am surprised that a furry chat site that would have been a direct competitor to Wolfhome escaped me. Wolfhome started on Gre7g Luterman's site, TempleOfLuna.com, back on October 31st, 1999.

The other thing that I discovered is that the whois record for Furcadia.com was created in 1999 (see below). Add to that a web search on the "Wayback Machine" http://web.archive.org, which tracks websites back to the mid nineties, which shows that in 1999, furcadia.com was a placeholder site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://furcadia.com

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's that whois record:

Registrant:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC.
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US

Domain Name: FURCADIA.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC. sanct@furcadia.com
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US
+358407672478 fax: +358427672478

Record expires on 03-Feb-2011.
Record created on 03-Feb-1999.
Database last updated on 10-Oct-2006 21:10:34 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.234
NS2.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.239

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None of that is meant to take away from the current success of furcadia, but I wonder what supports the claim that they were running a website back in 1996?

Here's the web archive for templeofluna.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://templeofluna.com

BTW, thanks for providing this great site focusing on the Furry community!

[[User:Wunderwood|underdog]]

:Hi there, underdog! The claim is that they were running Furcadia (the client-based MMO experience) since 1996, not Furcadia.com (the website), and I think it is substantiated by [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/46c69d49b74b57d0 this thread] from May 1999 in which Dr. Cat states in passing that it "opened two and a half years ago". There is also [http://web.archive.org/web/19981205041337/www.realtime.net/furcadia/ this website (www.realtime.net/furcadia)] from December 1998, at which point they appear to already have had 400,000 visits.

:As for the website - you're welcome! I didn't exactly do it by myself, though - you can [http://wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaFURRY.htm#wikipedians thank the people here], along with the hundreds of other editors for filling it with content. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Ah, ok.. I read that wrong ==

Thanks for the clarification. I had interpreted that pretty narrowly before. {{Unsigned|Wunderwood}}

== Hiya there ==

yeah, I found that I had a page to edit and submit info to, and thanks for the help offer. Ill be editing when I can, and look forward to contributing here. :3 {{unsigned|Zippo}}

== Wikipedia's techniques on trolls ==

Wikipedia usually reverts banned troll's comments and semi-protects pages. It works better. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 10:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:It works for their situation. We have to make our own decisions and see how they work out. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

== From Buska ==

Hi and thanks for the welcome! I tried creating my own page as well. I really need to study the Wiki format a bit more however ^^ {{unsigned|Buska}}

== RE:Page name correction ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for the move, I will try not to make mistakes like that in the future - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:No worries. We make them too, sometimes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey GreenReaper, I was wondering if you could perform another page name edit, could you add an "s" to my Remalon page turning it into "Remalons" (since there are five characters in that page), I would really appreciate it, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Once again, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners main page fixing ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to drop questions on a regular basis but I was wondering if you might know or see a way to modify or re-arrange the list of groups in the Extinctioner's main page, to some how make it appear more neat, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== I have readed that you use Openbsd to host the wiki ==

Hello Greenreaper, thanks for your work on this Furry Wiki, I am trying to install mediawiki on openbsd, but can not login on mediawiki, can you help me? after i have logged in sucessfully, then i try to use the preferences page and it say that i am not logged in

thanks in advance. {{unsigned|Aureliof}}

:I'm afraid I don't really have any idea why that is not working for you, other than that possibly you do not have sessions or cookies setup properly in your browser or web server. I do not administrate the server side of WikiFur, and so I know little of the details of hosting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== DAMN YOU!!! ==

You ALLWAYS seem to be around to delete my...um...helpful changes no matter what time and what wiki I'm hitting :(

WHY?????????????????? {{unsigned|88.106.208.18}}

:Because I'm everywhere - I'm like the wind . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== That was odd ==

I see that earlier today you blocked User:216.224.121.151. It struck me as odd that there have also been a couple of good edits from the very similar address User:216.224.121.141 (knowing that sometimes a vandal who gets blocked will simply switch to a different workstation, which often has a very similar IP; this time, however, that did not appear to be the case).

Then I tried to make a couple of edits, while logged in, and was told that I couldn't because my IP address, 216.224.121.151, has been blocked. I found this really odd, since I was logged in, I have admin privs, and on top of it all, the IP address of the machine I connect from doesn't look anything like that (and just to be sure, I checked with http://www.whatismyip.com/ ). I retried a couple of times, and my edit finally took - not sure what changed, but there you go.

Then finally, I ran nslookup on 216.224.121.151, and it returned ut4.sjc.wikia-inc.com. I tried 216.224.121.141 and it returned cache1.sjc.wikia-inc.com. Curioser and curioser. Is there something funky going on at wikia.com that's causing incoming edits to look like they came from their server instead of the actual originating user or IP address? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:It does indeed seem odd. I've also recieved two separate messages about this from other users. Unblocked this for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:: I got a response from John Q. over on the Wikia mailing list saying that this is fixed/will be fixed shortly. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Hmm. Maybe not quite fixed yet, I had trouble getting that edit to go through... --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the welcome ^^ ==

Hey, thanks for the welcome to WikiFur. This is my first time actually registering for a Wiki community, so it'll be a learning experience, but I'm looking forward to adding what I can, when I can. Oh, question -- how do I reply to things on my Talk page? {{unsigned|IanKeith}}

:Welcome to wiki, then, too. :-) You can reply to others in the way you did just now. You should generally sign your names when on talk pages, though, so that people know who left the message without going to the history. You can use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> for this, or just <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> if you don't want the date. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== timeline tag ==

Hi. I just solve timeline bug and you can use it again --[[User:Inez|Inez]] 10:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you, Inez! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== NO CARRIER ==

Thanks for cleaning up after my messes. :) I'll get the wiki standards hammered through my thick skull eventually! 
-[[User:Furvert|Furv]]

== How to do bot vandal rollbacks ==

In cases of mass vandalism (page blanking and the like) it is acceptable to use the "bot" rollback method. To do this, go to the user's contribution page by clicking their name or IP address in the userlist, then add &bot=1 to the URL (or ?bot=1 if there is no ? already in the URL). Press enter to reload that URL, and then just open all the rollback links in new tabs. This will give the initial edit a "bot" flag, so that only your revert will be visible in [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll do it that way next time. By the way, when responding to a user talk comment like this, is there a way to have the thread automatically replicated in the other user's talk page? I've always done it by manually copying the response in both places. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
::Not that I know of. Would be nice! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

'twas fun playing with you furries. --[[User:149.9.0.27|149.9.0.27]] 19:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC) =)

== more vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaperm, were getting vandalized including the front page! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
: O NOES VANDALISM @_@ --[[User:85.214.66.61|85.214.66.61]] 14:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WERE UNDER ATTACK! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 22:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Chinmyou ==
Thanks for the welcome. X3
[[User:Chinmyou|Chinmyou]] 06:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners Wikipedia page deletion threat again ==

Hey GreenReaper, Sorry to constantly bother you but I just saw on the talk page of the Wikipedia.org Extinctioners page that it will be coming under a deletion threat within several days claiming wikifur IS NOT a reliable source (yeah right), here is the link to the page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Extinctioners - I hope it will not be removed, I don't understand it, they have pages for other furry comics but they seem the think this one is not worthy but if you think its not worth fighting over, I will understand, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, WikiFur ''isn't'' a reliable source, at least not in Wikipedia's terms. Someone could come by and change anything at any time. Articles are not guaranteed to be peer-reviewed - indeed, there is no particularly certainty that information on WikiFur has been checked by anyone. Contributions are, in many cases, anonymous. If you want to have an article at Wikipedia, you need to give proper references to the primary sources (the comics themselves), or to secondary sources that have been published in some kind of guaranteed editorially-reviewed medium, like a comic review in a published [[fanzine]] (or better).

:Consider: You wrote most of the pages on WikiFur about the comic. Who's to say you weren't making up half of the stuff you wrote? You can see their situation - they can't just rely on your words for its accuracy. It is not that it is a furry comic. It is the entire article is your original creation, and you've not backed it up with links that show the source of the facts that you state. Go look at [[Wikipedia:Samuel Conway|this article]] for an example of what I mean. There are probably worse articles, but that does not excuse the one about ''Extinctioners''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate what you have told me and I finally can see where wikipedia is coming from, I will leave this decision in the hands of those at Wikipedia (since I am unable to try and fight for it to remain again) and just continue with the one here, thanks for your help :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Redirecting articles? ==

I was poking around in the Templates section to see how I could re-direct a link that currently goes nowhere to an article that is relevant. I wanted to link "Ace of Spades" and "Morrigan's War" to the "Empires" article but could not see a way to do it..? Thank you. {{unsigned|Kette' Barona}}

:To do that, go to the pages [[Ace of Spades]] and [[Morrigan's War]] and put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Empires]]</nowiki> in there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== FA and such ==

I just wanted to apologize, again-- though I guess to you directly-- for what I did the other day. I was responding more as damage control to prevent an explosion of drama rather than following the guidelines stipulated. This whole thing, though not directly affecting me, has seemed to've killed my patience and thinking. Thankfully it's cleared up now.

It won't happen again. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 17:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:It's understandable. No worries. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Uploading avatar pic quesion ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to bug you but I have a question, there is a pic I would like to use as my avatar (or fursona if thats what its called), I have gotten the artists permission (no via e-mail), I was just wondering what porceedures I need to do before uploading such a pic, here are the links:
*Shadow-Wolf (artist) - http://shadow-wolf.deviantart.com/
*the picture I want to use - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8577254/?qo=165&q=by%3Ashadow-wolf&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
*and finally the message giving me permission to use this pic - http://my.deviantart.com/notes/1/52363257

I just want to ensure I do not mess up on this matter, I would really appreciate your help with this

:I can't see that note, probably since they're private, but for that sort of thing we're fine with taking people's word for it unless the artist complains. Just make sure to mention the name of the artist in the picture description, and select "fursona" in the dropdown license box when you upload it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:heres the note -

From: *shadow-wolf
Date: Nov 4, 2006, 12:17:03 PM
sure, go for it! Could you credit me in your journal or something, link back to the original picture? It'd be a great plug for me if you could. ^^ Thank you for having the courtasy to ask first

~nymph

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RVDDP2501 said the following:

Hi Shadow Wolf, I'm RVDDP2501, listen, I was wondering if I could get your permission to use your Venom Pic as my avatar, I really like it and I'm a huge Venom fan, I just wanted to ask your permission first, thanks

P.S. I'm the Extinctioners wikifur page creator

and finally (forgive my ignorence) what exactly is the drop box your refering to? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

wait... I think I've found what your talking about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Other-Language Wikis ==

We've talked before about a possible Swedish-language furry wiki. It is likely that I will find myself with a good chunk of free time (or at least that what free time I have won't be eaten up by pesky things like take-home schoolwork) in a month or so - would it still be of interest that I go ahead and request the wiki to be made? (Last we discussed it on LJ, I kind of got heaped with massive amounts of Stuff soon afterwards, unfortunately.) I could probably get [[Ricadonna]] to link it from the [[SveaFur]] homepage as well, so that there'd be at least a few contributors more or less guaranteed. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:Someone needs to learn to think before she talks. I also meant to ask if you have a preference for a Wikia-hosted wiki (would it help with organization, for instance?) or if it could be privately hosted for all you care? I know the host I plan on moving to makes it ridiculously simple to install a wiki, so if it's all the same to you that might be a better route, as that also eliminates the ads? I'm just disorganized today, sorry. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::I'd still be very interested in seeing more furry wikis in different languages. As the one who intends to do the work to found the wiki, it's up to you to decide where it should be. :-) I think Wikia is a good choice for those who don't want to be dealing with server-side issues or costs. If you believe that the technical ability to start and maintain the wiki software is available (whether you or they can provide it), and if you are sure that the hosting will be maintained, then there's no problem with hosting it anywhere. For various reasons, I felt it was suitable for the English language furry wiki to be here, but it doesn't mean others have to. We can link back and forth wherever you are. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I talked to my boyfriend, whom I will be sharing the bandwidth with, and unless I magically get an insane permanent-ish workload, it sounds as though I'll privately host the wiki when we get set up at the new host. Would put it somewhere around early December, which suits me fine as that puts it past most of my current deadlines. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 17:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

== More All Fur Fun stuff! ==

Hi GreenReaper! All Fur Fun (the new furry convention) has a new website up and running. It's already linked, but I was hoping someone could edit the convention's entry to show that we're a bit more organized now, hehe! I'd do it myself, but I tend to do Very Wrong Things when I try to edit wiki pages, so I'd rather have someone with experience do it. ;D

Thanks in advance! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 02:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

:Did it last night, but forgot to note that here. If I've missed anything, or if you develop more details over time, do feel free to add it in. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the offer ==

Thanks for the offer, and the cleanup of my page. If it would be at all possible, would you please make my page more wiki friendly? I'm not the best wiki editor. Much Thanks in advance. -- [[Jaie_Davis]]

== RVDDP2501 character name change request ==

Hey GreenReaper, how are you doing, listen, I'm sorry to ask you to do this for me yet again but I need two character's names changed, the characters [[Slash]] and [[Short]], I need the last name WhiteEye added to the both of them so they would be e.g. Slash WhiteEye, thanks, I would really appreciate your help with this - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 17:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It was the least I could do to honor the memory of a fine person and a dedicated Furry (He was a Cheetah because he had freckles...lol).

I know all of you furries who knew him must miss him terribly.

I know I still find myself thinking of David from time to time and wish his life had not been taken away so violently and suddenly.

David's death was followed the week after by my Mother's death and the week after that my Grandma passed.

Three loved ones in three weeks.....you never know when they are gonna go...so make sure they know how much you love them...while they are here.

I am not a Furry, but, your members are really great people. Keep the fur flying!

== Nice job on the Did You Know section... ==

I just wanted to say, nice job on it. I never knew that CSI or any sutch show even '''knew''' about the fandom, let alone made episodes with dramatically skewed ideas. (Yiffing parties! :) hmm... whered they hear of those? I'd REALLY like to know... :b ) I wonder, I think theres an episode of law and order with furr... also, nice for ptting it on the front page. [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:Glad you like it! We should really update it more frequently. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hey, I'd be happy to fill it in for you or do something to help if you gave me some material or something. :) [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:::Feel free to have a look through [[Special:Newpages]] to find some interesting tidbits, then [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&action=edit replace the current text] and add your new stuff to the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|archive page]]. There are other suggestions for ways to help on the [[WikiFur:Community Central|Community Central]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur page problem ==

Hey GreenReaper, I don't know if this is a problem caused by my computer, but recently the pages on wikifur seem a little out of pleace, all the user access links (contributions, watch list, etc.) are covered up by the page I'm looking at plust the page options (discussion, edit, etc.) are also covering up the pages name, the only thing I have done is update my internet explorer to 7.0, is this in fact a problem with my computer or is it something that is wrong with wikifur, please let me know, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:This appears to be a problem with Wikia - they have changed the CSS in a way that is incompatible with IE7. I've sent them a little note about this, hopefully it will be fixed within a day or so. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, let me know when this has been fixed cause I reverted back to the previous version of IE since the problem was starting to annoy me :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Kirru sized.png ==

Hello GreenReaper,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Kirru sized.png]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 01:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== My Wikifur page ==

Hey, thanks for the help, I'm kinda new to this stuff ^.^

Little question tho, my page is also in the 'hybrid' catagory... Shouldn't be, since I'm 100% pure fox. How can I change that? [[User:Darkfoxx|Darkfoxx]] 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

: I took care of that for you [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 15:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:: Thanks, Simba. Darkfoxx: The categories an article is in are defined by the <nowiki>[[Category:]]</nowiki> tags, usually at the bottom of the page. Remove them, and it removes an article from the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== WikiFur Central/Header ==

It appears that since your latest edits to [[Template:WikiFur Central/Header]], it is now covering up the [[Template:Newsbar]], at least when I view it under Firefox. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:Eh, never mind. Looks like you fixed it. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::''Interested users should see [[Talk:WikiFur Furry Central#Featured article length]] for more details.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Species ==

Is it okay to change species? cause i don't think a wolf fits me well . . . [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:it's fine, but changing your'e account name here? that's a thing... [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]

::Nobody's going to stop you doing either, though if you change your name, let me know what it is and I can move the appropriate pages over so that the history is retained, rather than just copying and pasting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I guess i would want my new name to be Skunk-Raccoon. [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 03:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Not going for something a little more . . . original? The danger of such names is that you might change over time, and also other people tend to do the same thing (see [[Tigerwolf]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Original? Well . . . i'll try, uhm . . . could it taken from a band name or something? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 15:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::It's up to you. I just want to help try and avoid name clashes in the future. The advantage of making up a name that nobody else has is that . . . well, nobody else has it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I think i came up with my name . . . "Basic Bassist". It's not the coolest, but, it works, i guess :) [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Cool. Let me know when you're sure, and if you want me to move the pages about you to a new location (perhaps after you register that as a nickname here). [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::So, i just register that name, and that's it? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, and tell me here. '''*grin*''' [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Huh? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::"I wouldn't want to move your user page until you've registered the name, so tell me here once you have." [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Alright [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 14:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Done! [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Thank you!!! '''*hugs*''' [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 23:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I spelled "Bassist" wrong . . . could you fix it? [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 02:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Sure. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

==Greetings==
Hello, thanks for the welcome! I've removed some unnecessary personal info from a vandal's userpage, since no one here has checkuser it would be of no benefit to them. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Jewbo_Wales&oldid=104070 Here] is the version with the IP info on it, in case you need to request a checkuser with the staff. ^_^ [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=104122&oldid=104094 Heh] ==

[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Ket I] didn't really consider it vandalism, so I removed that section. Hope that's fine-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 09:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Block of 71.98.64.0/18 ==

Are you sure about blocking that entire subnet? We've only had two vandlism incidents from there over the last 24 hours. I'm concerned that we might exclude potential contributors from that block. May I propose that we unblock that block and reblock only if we keep having incidents of vandalism from there? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:If you wish. It's only 16384 addresses, though - I doubt we have contributors and trolls in that same block. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the welcome. ==

I'm slowly getting myself back onto the net, so this was as good a place to start as any. :D {{unsigned|Khromat}}

== Reversed clock time? ==

Note the [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=High_Tail_Hall&action=history edit history] for [[High Tail Hall]], specifically, my recent minor revisions. WTF. The "on second thought" revision should have been applied after the correction of possessive form. Repeating the edit seems to have been effective, but I'd rather not see that kind of glitch happening to anyone else. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 10:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:This is due to de-synched clocks on the various Wikia servers... if you look at the actual revision numbers, you'll see that 105229 is listed as occuring after 105230. This ''should'' only affect diff viewing and histories (but can be spotted by looking at the numbers). We are attempting to find the reason for the time desynchings, but this happens every once in a while. I've asked the techies to see if there is an easy way to fix these (it should be a simple as swapping the timestamps of any revisions that are not chronologically sequential, maybe). --[[w:User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[w:User_talk:Splarka|talk]]) 10:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== Request ==

Ok, the discussion seems to have died on the talk page, so I'll ask you personally: can you just delete the info on Aardvark, as he seems to have moved on to other wikis? He hasn't vandalized here in about two months, I don't see the purpose. I understand he tried to get it removed a while back, but was... none too friendly about it and vandalized pages. Well, while that's not the only reason I registered, it's part of it - to get rid of his personal info. I've removed it from the [[ED]] article already and several editors, including yourself, have had their attentions drawn to edits to that article, but no one has reverted. Does this mean you feel it's not necessary? Let's say he goes for the rest of 2006 without vandalizing WikiFur - would you consider deleting the vandal page for him then?

ALso, someone has brought up that I may be Blu Aardvark... I'm open to having a staff member checkuser me to prove I'm not. I've actually edited elsewhere under other accounts - I would assume that's allowed on Wikia for privacy reasons, but they can at least tell you I'm located far from Blu Aardvark and edit elsewhere constructively. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
*You there? WOuld this be better handled by email? Or are you unconcerned? I don't mean to pester, but it's been buggin me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

::I'm here, but I have other things to deal with - work, sponsor relations and quick replies come ahead of replies to things I have to think about. :-)
::If you don't get reverted on the ED page, then chances are nobody cares. However, I see nothing on the vandalism record page concerned that needs to be removed. There is no mention of the user's real name, or his full address, so it should not come up on searches for that, but it is possible for our users to obtain it if the vandalism resumes. It '''will''' come up on searches for Blu Aardvark (not high, as few pages link to it), but that seems more than appropriate, since the edits were made in connection with that name.
::As he says himself, he's "opted for the benefits of accountability versus the benefits of anonymity." If he wants the benefits, he has to be willing to accept the costs as well. We're not about to give his life story (as ED would), but we will say what he did on our wiki, and point to other wikis where he did the same thing so people can see that, yes, there is a pattern here. Our objective is to stop him doing it again, or failing that, be able to respond in a meaningful way by contacting his internet service provider and asking them to enforce their terms of service against a specific customer. I don't see how hiding what he did will help that - I would view it as assurance that I could get away with anything if I waited a few months.
::What ''will'' happen is that time will pass and eventually people who do happen across it won't care about what wikis he vandalized 5 years ago. He could quite reasonably say on his own page, "Well, yes, this happened, but I've moved on." I don't think many people are going to believe that after 3 months, though. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I guess the info that remains isn't so bad. I've taken his real name out of the pages it links to, so if you insist, I'm only happy you replied. Thanks! [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 06:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

== Thoughts on spam from webstores? ==

I've seen some links that state a specific item is "available at <insert webstore URL here>" where the website is an ordinary online store not involved with the creation of said item. When does this constitute unwanted spam? If the item can be Googled fairly easily, should we delete such link postings? Should we be supportive if the store is sufficiently furry or furry-friendly? -- [[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 01:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:Well, this depends on the situation, but if the link does provide value to readers I wouldn't remove it. I may even have added it myself. There's a difference between "could be googled fairly easily" and "everyone will know where buy this item, and will do so without being prompted to do so," and it can often be the difference between a sale and a missed opportunity. I ''would'' probably consider putting a furry-friendly store above a generic link to Amazon.com, but I wouldn't remove a link to Amazon.com if it made it more likely that people would buy whatever it was. I see people buying more furry stuff as a '''good''' thing. *grin* [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Shifting Souls

2006-12-13T01:47:55Z

Redfur: mystery solved, never mind

User talk:Shifting Souls

2006-12-13T01:47:07Z

Redfur: what

This is creeping me out. Care to shed some light on [http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AInfernoOfPlasma&diff=4940&oldid=4923 this] mystery? I didn't even remember registering Shifting Souls there until I realized it today, and you edited [[ED]] before I was checkusered there. How did you know the account name there was linked to ED? [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:GreenReaper

2006-12-13T01:38:00Z

Redfur: /* Request */ - you there?

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Welcome Response September 12, 2006 ==

Thank you, GreenReaper. I kinda stumbled across this site yesterday and decided to 1. Create an account and 2. Make my page. I was quite flattered to find my name listed in the DJ section of Rainbow Tiger's page, so I got my hooves wet and started a personal page. I'll try to keep it rated PG, but we'll have to see what happens. I'll have a placeholder up for a while with many ... many edits while I figure out the syntax.

[[Heuvadoches Naumova]]

== Welcome response ==

You're welcome! I'll be sure to let you know if I need any help. =^.^= -[[User:Alfador|Alfador]]

Thanks, GR. -- [[User:VederJuda|VederJuda]] 10:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[PAINWOLF]] ==
Name painwolf I need to talk to about my page.

Contact Info:
Yahoo and AIM: NL4PAINWOLF
MSN: PAINWOLF@hotmail.com

E-mails: PAINWOLF@gmail.com

:''Replied'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

== Norn ==

Ok, so i guess the question is, why is there a norn running around on the furry edit link ... it seems to hide if I try to interact directly. Do you have more info? -- [[User:Mongoose|Amar Shadowpaws]] 14:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think his name is Hebe. He followed me over from the [[w:c:Creatures|Creatures Wiki]]. I've not had the time to catch him and release him back into [[w:c:Creatures:Albia|the wild]] yet. Besides, he likes to help out - he's done a good job at finishing off the stubs people leave around. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks for coming to lunch ==

Here are my [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania_Notes notes] from our lunch. We will start working hard to get more information out on where the features and bug fixes are going. I really appreciated your support and encouragement, not too mention chatting with you at dinner Thursday. [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]| [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gil talk]

==Response to Welcome==
Just wanna say thanks for the greeting, I'll be sure to ask if I need help with anything ;)

Thanks for greeting me. I had to make my own page look a little spiffier ya know? :D

==Thanks for cleaning up after me==
I've been multitasking, so I'm a little scatterbrained at the moment. =^_^!= --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

And me as well, thanks. Couldn't figure out why I couldn't get those wikipedia links working internally, o,O
--[[User:Animakitty|Anima]] 18:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Picture on commons ==
Your lecture was very interesting. I have one more picture of you. See:
*http://www.poli.toya.net.pl/Wikimania_2006_galeria/pages/100-0070_IMG.html
Fill free to copy it if you want.

Polimerek.

:Thanks again! I'll do that. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== infoboxes ? ==

I copied [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Webcomic]] to [[Template:Infobox webcomic]] because I thought having webcomic infoboxes (such as the one at [[Wikipedia:Aozora]]) would be nice. The template partially works (example at [[User:EarthFurst]]). I'm guessing the rest of that template doesn't work because WikiFur doesn't have [[Template:If]] ? WP has [[Wikipedia:Template:If]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:According to [[User:Splarka|Splarka]], it's due to a problem with tables and parserfunctions on Wikia. He going to try fixing it . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Hmm, the infobox was working beautifully at [[TwoKinds]], but doesn't seem to be working now. I've posted question to wikia's Help desk on the matter http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia_hiccup_%3F&t=20060817035856 . I'm reverting [[TwoKinds]] until the error is resolved. I'll be re-checking [[User:EarthFurst]] to see when the infox starts working again. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Did you know? ==

[[Rod O'Riley]]'s band [[Illegal Operation]] will be performing live as part of the furry programming track at this month's [[Worldcon]] in the Los Angeles area. Do you think it would be a reasonable use of the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] box to add an entry for this to help draw attention to it? Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 16:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:Don't see why not. That whole section could do with a full update. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just got some bad news that the concert event had to be cancelled due to issues out of their control, so I revised the entry. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

It's fun to see that my bio is a Featured article now. That means both of my pages have gotten onto the front page.
[[User:Fox Cutter|Fox Cutter]] 21:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:I know! This wasn't actually intentional - I only noticed after I featured it. It seemed to be a good pick, so it went up. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Hi there! ==

Thanks very much pal, if I need any help I know who to turn to now. ^^

- Eric B.

P.S. I'm sorry for posting this as an article, I really don't know how to respond to the comment you gave me. Well, maybe I need your help already. ^^;

== RVDDP2501 ==

Hey GreenReaper, Its been a while since I had last heard from you, hows things? Listen, I just wanted to say thanks for the reversion of the damaged done to one of my character pages, man, when will this stupidness stop, hope to hear from you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there. Things are good! The vandalism will continue, undoubtedly, to a greater or lesser extent, but we seem to be coping with it well enough. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)''

::Hi GreenReaper, the upgrade was a pleasant surprise after that last bit of unpleasant business. Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 04:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== sorry for the previous post : ==

Sorry for the post, I just wanted to report a raid that was headed your way.
If i suspect a raid in the future where do you think i should report this too?
:I had to check the article history to find the post you were referring to. At a guess, it was probably mistaken for link spam, which we get here fairly often. We do appreciate the efforts of people to notify us of attacks in the offing. For future reference, it would be helpful to include a couple of sentences saying what is to be found at the link. (By the way, when I tried the link just now I got a 'Thread Not Found' error - whatver had been there is gone now.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 07:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:Here is fine, although you could try the [[Forum:Index|forum]] as well. As for your post, someone else edited my user page to remove it, but I'd already read the thread before you posted it so that was OK. :-)

:We get a lot of people planning stuff, but half of them never show up, and the rest turn out only to have 5 people or so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Incomming Raid Group!!! ==

[[Image:Wikifur.png|left|frame|This is the [[WikiFur]] logo!]]

Be On the lookout for the next few days please sir! --[[User:PaulRevere|PaulRevere]] 21:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:It would be helpful if we had a link to the site where this came from so we could investigate further. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, DeusEx again? He's been working on that for a while, as I recall. I guess we'll see if anything comes of it. We've coped quite well so far with a full bot attack, even when it was using a network of 600 proxies.

:It's cute the way they seem to think using Í will stop google indexing their site, let alone the "totally inept" part. So far it's about 10-0 on successful "organized" raids. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::That reminds me - did we ever implement a "panic button" - something any of the admins could use in an emergency to block all updates if a major vandalism/bot attack were in progress? If there is an easy way to protect the entire site to sysop only, that would probably suffice. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Like a "Lock-down" script? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::More like a "restrict edits to group X" script, though locking the DB might be a reasonable first step. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:: You know, we need to write an app to have a [[User:Nidonocu#Score_Board|Score Board]] like what Nidonocu has. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I edit that manually you know. ;) Though I agree a panic page would be useful. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh Gods ^-^ or a [[Wikipedia:DHS|DHS]]'s like [[Wikipedia:Homeland_Security_Advisory_System|Security Advisory System]],... "Today's Threat Level is "Fluffy," with some chances of /b/tards in the afternoon." [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Removing a name on "People". ==

Hello there! i am Crowe Basalt, and previously, i did go by "Grimmutt". i edited an article on "Grimmutt", but, as i am going back to only using the "Crowe Basalt" name, i'd like to have "Grimmutt"'s page removed.

thank you! {{unsigned|Crowebasalt}}

:Hi there, Crowe, and welcome back to WikiFur! The best way to go about that is usually to move the article, as that preserves the original history. I will fix that up later tonight when I get home. Do you wish us to keep the information about your character Grimmutt as a separate section on the page about you, or should I remove it and just mention that you used to go by the name? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alternative to page protection ==

Hey, this is Carrie Pika.

Is there any way I can get this page locked so it shows only this? I don't want anyone adding personal information about me without my knowledge, so I'd like to have it left at just this.

Thanks~ {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:We can probably do that. You could also just put your email into your [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]] and then click the Watch tab, so it will tell you whenever someone edits so that you can check it out. Which would you prefer? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that'd work great, actually! I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks! {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:Excellentage. Enjoy WikiFur. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== And thanks to you. ==

I do appreciate the clean-up of my page, and the separation of the book summary. Many thanks! You guys do an amazing job here. - Alicia

:You're welcome. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

== something to be very angry ==

I wrote an article and someone, german wrote me this:

"Meine Fresse, ich hab noch nie so ein BESCHISSENES ENGLISCH gelesen. Kauf dir mal ein verdammtes Leben!!"

In a free translation it's:"Damn I've never read such a shitty english. Buy a damn life"
Well maybe my english isn't taht good but is it necessary to write the comment in this way? Without an name or anything else.

I think you're not able to find out who did it are you?

And so maybe you could delete my account and the article about me. because I don't want to be a part of something like this. Sorry and thanks for the chocolat. ^^ {{unsigned|Andraste}}

:That comment [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Andraste&action=history was made] by a person with the IP address [[User:89.48.235.195|89.48.235.195]]. They are obviously not a regular user, otherwise they would indeed have signed their comment - and made the edit with a registered account. That edit to the talk page was their [[Special:Contributions/89.48.235.195|only contribution so far]]. There is therefore little to say about them, other than that their IP address resolved to the name "Lebc3.l.pppool.de" - probably a dialup account in Germany.

:I would suggest you pay as much attention to you as someone who posts once on a forum anonymously to insult you, never having contributed to that forum before - that is, precisely no attention at all. If your English is not the best, so what? You are German! The fact that you can write English at all is better than most English people could do with German. If they thought the article was bad, the anonymous editor should have fixed it rather than complained about it. And, in fact, many others did. :-)

:In the last day [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Andraste&action=history several edits] by at least four other people have been made to the article about you (perhaps you made a link to it from somewhere else?). I would ask that you consider '''those''' edits to be an example of what WikiFur is, and not the anonymous commenter - who, I would note, could not even manage to put their ''own'' comment in English. We have [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|a policy against personal attacks]], and any regular contributor would know better than to make such a comment. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Recategorization of [[List of convention acronyms]] ==

I don't see why this fits better with [[:Category:Convention terms]] than [[:Category:Conventions]] when it seems to fit the Conventions cat just as well as [[List of furs who were married at a furry con]] or [[List of conventions by attendance]] (both of which are in [[:Category:Conventions]]), since like those two, its a sort of comparison/reference list between different conventions, as opposed to Category:Convention terms which seems to be a list of general terms used within a convention. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 21:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

:OK. Change it back if you wish. My view was that an acronym was a convention term, but I can can see your side too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur now adversarial? ==

I've read with interest the discussion on Sibe, specifically your comment:

''That is why I am opposed to the removal of the article in whole - because what he has done deserves remembering. It is our business, because Sibe has been bothering us as a community.''

Does this mean Wikifur will not be so much as a source of neutral information, but that Wikifur will now become adversarial in relations to information about people who you (singularly or collectively) believe have wronged Furry? Do you feel that it's now your job/right/reponsibility to punish these people by using Wikifur as a "bully pulpit"?

I hope this isn't the case. Wikifur, despite a healthy dose of pro-Furry slobbery, has been a respectable source of neutral information.

:You'd have to put that question to the wider community for a full answer, as it's a question about where they want WikiFur to go. I'm one of the editors leading the project, but there are others. Still, I can provide some explanation, and the answer I would give is basically "no, but we're not going to go out of our way to do such people any favours either."

:The information on the individuals itself ''should'' unquestionably be neutral and factual (no, this doesn't always happen, and if you see a problem, please explain why and fix it). The only choice we have been making in some cases is whether or not to ''remove'' that neutral information (or some of it) on request, per the [[WikiFur:Personal information|personal information policy]]. This might well ''not'' be a neutral decision, because this is a community made up of members of the furry fandom, and as it is our website it is up to us to decide whether or not that is appropriate. Ultimately our role is to serve the best interests of the fandom, and that generally means trying not to hurt those who are or have been worthwhile members of it. We may care less about the possibility of hurting other people.

:If a person is just a regular member of the fandom - maybe well-regarded, maybe just "one of the gang", then people tend not to fuss too much if they want to remove personal information - and if they have not really done all that much special, that might include the entire article about them (if not, then references to them might remain in other articles). If an individual has, over time, given the community a significant amount of grief, they are likely to say "no, this person is just trying to hide from the problems they have caused" and deny the request. In short, if they've had no respect for our community, then we as a community are likely to have as little respect for them. That is why exclusions that may be contentious go to talk pages - so that the community can decide what to do in that particular situation.

:These sorts of situation are fortunately pretty rare. In Sibe's case, though, his "bothering" was widely commented-on, were intimately connected to his person (not any external group), and occured over a long period of time. If WikiFur is recording furry history, it makes little sense to exclude him, particularly given that he has shown no reticence (or regret) on occasion over detailing the lives of others where it suited ''him''. We're perfectly aware that he doesn't like it being up there, but over time he's pissed off enough people in the fandom that few seem to care about what he feels anymore.

:The thing is, all we have to do is say the truth. His own actions are what comdemn him. We don't even need to say they were bad. If telling the truth about someone makes them look bad in the eyes of the reader, then it's a fair bet that they deserve it.

:This situation of information removal based on respect does not really apply to groups, whatever the standing of the group in the community. I would not support removing the history of the [[Burned Furs]], for example, or that of [[Sociopolitical Ramifications]], or [[FurryMUCK]], because these are important groups that have had a historical impact on the fandom. Maybe if it was a really small and personal group that hasn't . . . again, that'd be discussed on the appropriate talk pages.

One final question: why is it so common to list the real names of people who've had adversarial relations with furry but not with those individuals considered friendly to the fandom? Why are real names included at all?

:There might be various reasons for the inclusion of real names. For some people, their real name is just one item of information about them, such as the colour of their character's fur. Other people might not '''have''' nicknames that are well-known within the fandom (but really, this applies as much if not more to people "friendly to the fandom" as to others). In that case, it seems appropriate to use their real name, just as we tend to use the real name of artists that have used it as their identifier in the fandom.

:In some cases, there may have been a good reason to find out the real name of a person, particularly if it might allow members of the furry fandom to more easily identify a person who is using a variety of nicknames or even their real name in a different venue (we can't say "go look at Laurence's posts in forum X" without telling them who Laurence is). It might also be that people are just more inclined to include the real names of people that they don't like, in the hope that others outside the fandom will see what that person is like. This is not ideal editing, but if the person concerned doesn't request the removal of their name, it will not be changed - the article will be reworded to be based solely on facts if possible, or removed if not.

:The question perhaps shouldn't be "why are real names included at all", but "why aren't real names included for everyone?". Ultimately, aritcles should be under the name which people would link to, and so that is the only name that '''has''' to be there. In the furry fandom, this is more often than not the person's fan name, if they have one. They may only use this name, or they may use their real name as well. If so, people may or may not decide to add it, but it's not considered critical if it's not usually used. Even if a person's real name ''is'' regularly used, in general we will on request remove a person's real name and replace it with their fan name/nickname when describing them, whether or not they are/have been members of the fandom. However, members of the fandom are a) more likely to request this, becuase more of them come here, b) are (slightly) more likely to have such a request accepted (because if non-members are listed here it is usually because they are either famous or infamous, not just because they're furry), and c) are more likely to have such nicknames to use in the first place (we can't exactly say "The comic Fuzzy Things, authored by {blank} . . .").

:I'm aware this answer was rather long and rambling, but that's because I'm tired, and it's a complicated issue when talking in general. If you have specific cases you want explained, feel free to point them out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::GreenReaper, in response to your reply, I have added comments to two talk sections, Sibe and Burned Fur, pointing out what I see as an unfair biasing. I'm interested in your reply on both.

::There's also one other possible point on Sibe that you might want to run by an attorney, since the status of Wiki's as "legitimate publications" is still in legal limbo: Sibe is legally a "private figure" and his actions in Furry do not make him, in the legal sense, a "public figure" (both of these are legal terms). As a private individual, he's afforded certain legal protections about what information can be revealed. These protections may or may not cover his criminal record or other information. I think it would be worth your time to consult with someone from the EFF and make sure you haven't crossed the line. While you say that you're just one editor, if no other person can over-rule your edits without your consent, it's your "publication". As such, even if Sibe were to decide to come after Wikifur ''et al'' for any damages the publication of protected information caused him (if any such protections exist at all), you'd still be on the line. Again, the law regarding this may or may not cover him.

:::I agree (unlike some) that Sibe is a private figure, and as such someone ''might'' be liable if we were negligent in publishing made-up facts, even if we did not act with the knowledge that they were false (or with reckless disregard as to whether or not they were false). For example, if we said that the Burned Furs burned people, that would be libel without good evidence. However, a glance at the talk page archives and article history should show you that we have been willing to work with concerned parties to ensure the accuracy of the article, and to obtain exact sources for assertions where appropriate. We have no interest in being negligent (and certainly not grossly negligent), because that makes for a poor article.

:::In contrast, the limitations on information that is actually ''true'' are really quite small, and in general don't apply to us as a private site. I'm not a lawyer, but this situation has come up before and so I've done some research. Criminal records are public information in the State of Washington (and generally speaking in other states). Most other privacy legislation is aimed at restricting what companies can tell third parties about their customers (who they have a contract with), and not about what individuals (who never agreed to any contract) may publish from their own knowledge. The [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] gives us rather sweeping powers in this area that allow us to publish just about anything as long as it is true, and in practice the "due process" terms of the [[Wikipedia:Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment]] extends this to the states as well. Credit card numbers, social security numbers and driver's license number would probably be stuff that should be removed. Other than that, it's pretty much fair game and up to the community to decide what it ''should'' publish, in a moral sense.

:::[[Wikia:Wikia, Inc.|Wikia]] is able to overrule my edits without my consent. If people feel I'm not doing a good enough job, or that WikiFur is infringing their rights, they should contact them. They have more experience than I do, and I am willing to defer to them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Hi, Peace from AU ==
Hello, my name is D. Coldheartt. I am the head admin of the Alternative Universe wiki which is also pretty big. I am a big fan of, well furry stuff and creatures and animals so i decided to join here. I was wondering if i could also become a administrator here if at all possib;e. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 23:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

: Admin status is generally given to users who have a history of contributing to the wiki. If you're interested in becoming an admin, we recommend following [[Special:Recentchanges]] and contributing to/cleaning up articles, dealing with vandalism, etc.
: I'm curious about this Alternate Universe wiki that you mentioned. Typing "Alternate Universe wiki" into Google [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe+wiki%22&btnG=Search brings up zero matches]. [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe%22+wiki&btnG=Search A slightly more liberal search] did not help me find it either. Did I misspell or typo something? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The AU has actually been down for quite some time and replaced with Vandal Manifest Editthis Wiki. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC) WikiTV started at Revived Haven Editthis and moved on to Meta Wiki. Jimbos one of the users alowed into revived haven. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Vandal+Manifest%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Vandal Manifest] does not turn up anything.
: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Revived+Haven%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Revived Haven] does not turn up anything, either.
: I'm sensing a pattern here. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:: And he first [[:Special:Contributions/D._Coldheartt|spammed a bunch of the admins]] to ask for admin privileges. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 00:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Heres the link: to VM, http://editthis.info/vandal_manifest/Main_Page a former vandal war site but now good. Ignore the messages the page their is called WikiTV. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::None of the pages are available for viewing without a password [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 00:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Please ignore [[User:D. Coldheartt]], it is a swfanon sockpuppeter and general wikia attention spammer. Usernames include: Alacaster Torn, The Vanguard, ThatLittleMidget, Proffesor Mephisto, Black Dawn, Licorice ... --[[w:User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[w:User_talk:Splarka|talk]]) 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Well cheers for the welcome! ==

Just thought I'd drop by and say thanks for the welcome - wasn't expecting that! Been using this site as a resourse for a good while now so I thought it was only right to inflict a little of myself on here.

[[Werewolf Of London]]

== Hey hey ==

Well I had some problems with creating the article of our new Polish Furries forum and website, but I'm good now.

Say would t be a problem for you to place an info about http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Polska_Strefa_Furry on the main page? {{unsigned|TerrisRacoon}}

:I will update our [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] section on the front page, and include a link to that page, as it is interesting to know about new forums.

:Oh, and a couple of tips - you should not remove a message on a talk page after you have saved it - it should be left on the page so that the person can reply. Otherwise there is no record, and it looks as if there has been no message, which is confusing when the window pops up saying "you have new messages". :-) Also, you can sign your name on Talk: pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It gives this sort of result: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

== Furry gaming project...? ==

Seeing as how Wikipedia has a project that concetrates on improving the quality and quantity of gaming articles, may I suggest implementing a similiar project? The amount of games with furry elements is not a small one, and it would be very helpful, if information about those games (most are old, PC DOS titles, which run perfectly under DosBox) was included in one place, for sake of completeness and subject coverage.

Especially games like [[Project Nomad]] could use that coverage, as they have literally truckloads of content, and it would be helpful to store it in one place, much like [[Albion (video game)|Albion]]'s articles are done.

Just a thought.

Oh, and what is the general stance about making articles about oneself? Mikael Grizzly 22:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

:Seems like a nice enough idea. We already have [[WikiFur:Project Fursuit Central|something similar]] for [[fursuit]]ing, although that's been slow recently. The trouble is there are few "meta"-editors at this time, and so you may find it hard to gather contributors to help you out. I would suggest that you concentrate on one or two particular projects at a time so that it doesn't bog down in needing to do 10 different things at once. :-)

:Articles about yourself are fine as long as they are neutrally written, like any other article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Need help putting up an article ==

I want to put up an essay that's under the GNU Free Docement Lisence, and I want to ask for a little bit of tips on how to do it before I actually do it. Or even how I'm suppose to do it. --[[User:Foxpaws-zupe|Foxpaws]] 00:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

:Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do? If you have a GFDL essay from another place, then in general it's fine to just copy it here into a new page as long as you give attribution for the people who wrote it (for example, with Wikipedia you would link to the history page) and preferably link back to the original source. Of course, it would have to fit the topic of the wiki, and be neutral in tone. If it was not neutral (whether or not you wrote it), you should probably avoid putting it in the main namespage - it should go a subpage of your User: space - e.g [[User:Foxpaws-zupe/Article name]] - and it should have a note up at the top similar to that of the [[:Template:personal-article|personal-article template]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey! I'll be alright, I guess. I'll fix the entries up s'more later.

I should remember to tag that 'minor edit' box more often. *nods*

Thank you

== Hi and thankies ==

Hi and thank you for this brill site {{unsigned|Fox92}}

== Happy Birthday! ==

*24 wolftytailswat-spankings!* --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 03:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

== Im sorry for the late reply, but thank you for welcoming me ==

Im afraid I am not use to this place yet and still have a long way to go on it. But im glad that hospitality is shown here ^_^

From [[Duragan]] {{unsigned|Duragan}}

== All Fur Fun now has official dates! ==

Hi there! Could you please edit the convention area to show that [[All Fur Fun]] will be held March 31 - April 1, 2007? Thanks much! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 01:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:Done, and I hope you guys have fun! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Nah~ ==

Just tell me if I should remove the images. They are censored though, but you still see enough~ {{unsigned|Garyu}}

== Vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for repairing the damage to my page as well as other I may not know about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:You're welcome! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Spam cleanup script ==

I have no idea if that was a valid spam cleanup script or if it was an elaborately created vandalism technique, but either way, it was blanking whole pages rather than just removing "spam" links (which weren't actually spam), so I blocked it temporarily. Feel free to unblock it if it isn't actually something trying to erase the whole Wiki. ;3 [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 02:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Higgs Raccoon ==

May I nominate [[User_talk:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] for upgrading to admin? In addition to contributing to numerous articles, he's helped revert vandalism on more than one occasion. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:Let's try that out, then. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Higgs_Raccoon Contributions] are a little low (and lacking discussion edits), but they '''are''' all good, and it's not like there aren't a couple of admins with fewer. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::Well, this is quite an honour. Thankyou Mwalimu for the nomination, and GreenReaper for OKing it. Quite unexpected, really - as noted above, I haven't been here very long and haven't contributed a lot as yet. Hopefully the whole Wikifur novelty won't suddenly wear off. Oh well, if that happens I guess what GreenReaper giveth he can also taketh away! ;) --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 10:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Technically, no - I have to go to Wikia for that. That's why I don't generally give it out without recommendation. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism War! ==

A user going by the name of [[User:Arwel Parry]] is vandalizing a number of pages right now! I'd reverting edits as fast as I can. Always happy to help! --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed vandalism with [[User:Arcturus]] --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Where you be on Eye Arr Cee? ==

*cough* Um.. ignore the poor rhyming, just wondering where you is as I've snuck back to the IRC channel the last few days and haven't seen you on at all. o.O --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:...Now I see your note, make it '''bigger''' next time. X) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== SilvrWingsDragon ==

He! Its me, Carrie, from Anthrocon. I tickled you, remember? And I think I had the pupper fox plushie. :) Whats up?

You can, btw, reach me at AminElea@aol.com

:Hi there! I do indeed remember . . . *hides*

:I'm doing fairly well - indeed, I just went to [http://conclavesf.org another convention] last weekend (which I need to actually write about sometime this week). I'll try and contact you when I get back home - still busy at work right now. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Furcadia origins? ==

I am not trying to be a pain in the rear here, but I wonder about the claim on the furcadia article that says that it has been around since 1996. I was following this stuff back in the late nineties and I was pretty surprised to hear that. Wolfhome was one of the first websites featuring multi-user chat and I don't remember furcadia.com being around. We were running a company by 2000. While I didn't do an exhaustive search, I am surprised that a furry chat site that would have been a direct competitor to Wolfhome escaped me. Wolfhome started on Gre7g Luterman's site, TempleOfLuna.com, back on October 31st, 1999.

The other thing that I discovered is that the whois record for Furcadia.com was created in 1999 (see below). Add to that a web search on the "Wayback Machine" http://web.archive.org, which tracks websites back to the mid nineties, which shows that in 1999, furcadia.com was a placeholder site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://furcadia.com

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's that whois record:

Registrant:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC.
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US

Domain Name: FURCADIA.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC. sanct@furcadia.com
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US
+358407672478 fax: +358427672478

Record expires on 03-Feb-2011.
Record created on 03-Feb-1999.
Database last updated on 10-Oct-2006 21:10:34 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.234
NS2.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.239

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None of that is meant to take away from the current success of furcadia, but I wonder what supports the claim that they were running a website back in 1996?

Here's the web archive for templeofluna.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://templeofluna.com

BTW, thanks for providing this great site focusing on the Furry community!

[[User:Wunderwood|underdog]]

:Hi there, underdog! The claim is that they were running Furcadia (the client-based MMO experience) since 1996, not Furcadia.com (the website), and I think it is substantiated by [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/46c69d49b74b57d0 this thread] from May 1999 in which Dr. Cat states in passing that it "opened two and a half years ago". There is also [http://web.archive.org/web/19981205041337/www.realtime.net/furcadia/ this website (www.realtime.net/furcadia)] from December 1998, at which point they appear to already have had 400,000 visits.

:As for the website - you're welcome! I didn't exactly do it by myself, though - you can [http://wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaFURRY.htm#wikipedians thank the people here], along with the hundreds of other editors for filling it with content. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Ah, ok.. I read that wrong ==

Thanks for the clarification. I had interpreted that pretty narrowly before. {{Unsigned|Wunderwood}}

== Hiya there ==

yeah, I found that I had a page to edit and submit info to, and thanks for the help offer. Ill be editing when I can, and look forward to contributing here. :3 {{unsigned|Zippo}}

== Wikipedia's techniques on trolls ==

Wikipedia usually reverts banned troll's comments and semi-protects pages. It works better. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 10:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:It works for their situation. We have to make our own decisions and see how they work out. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

== From Buska ==

Hi and thanks for the welcome! I tried creating my own page as well. I really need to study the Wiki format a bit more however ^^ {{unsigned|Buska}}

== RE:Page name correction ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for the move, I will try not to make mistakes like that in the future - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:No worries. We make them too, sometimes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey GreenReaper, I was wondering if you could perform another page name edit, could you add an "s" to my Remalon page turning it into "Remalons" (since there are five characters in that page), I would really appreciate it, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Once again, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners main page fixing ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to drop questions on a regular basis but I was wondering if you might know or see a way to modify or re-arrange the list of groups in the Extinctioner's main page, to some how make it appear more neat, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== I have readed that you use Openbsd to host the wiki ==

Hello Greenreaper, thanks for your work on this Furry Wiki, I am trying to install mediawiki on openbsd, but can not login on mediawiki, can you help me? after i have logged in sucessfully, then i try to use the preferences page and it say that i am not logged in

thanks in advance. {{unsigned|Aureliof}}

:I'm afraid I don't really have any idea why that is not working for you, other than that possibly you do not have sessions or cookies setup properly in your browser or web server. I do not administrate the server side of WikiFur, and so I know little of the details of hosting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== DAMN YOU!!! ==

You ALLWAYS seem to be around to delete my...um...helpful changes no matter what time and what wiki I'm hitting :(

WHY?????????????????? {{unsigned|88.106.208.18}}

:Because I'm everywhere - I'm like the wind . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== That was odd ==

I see that earlier today you blocked User:216.224.121.151. It struck me as odd that there have also been a couple of good edits from the very similar address User:216.224.121.141 (knowing that sometimes a vandal who gets blocked will simply switch to a different workstation, which often has a very similar IP; this time, however, that did not appear to be the case).

Then I tried to make a couple of edits, while logged in, and was told that I couldn't because my IP address, 216.224.121.151, has been blocked. I found this really odd, since I was logged in, I have admin privs, and on top of it all, the IP address of the machine I connect from doesn't look anything like that (and just to be sure, I checked with http://www.whatismyip.com/ ). I retried a couple of times, and my edit finally took - not sure what changed, but there you go.

Then finally, I ran nslookup on 216.224.121.151, and it returned ut4.sjc.wikia-inc.com. I tried 216.224.121.141 and it returned cache1.sjc.wikia-inc.com. Curioser and curioser. Is there something funky going on at wikia.com that's causing incoming edits to look like they came from their server instead of the actual originating user or IP address? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:It does indeed seem odd. I've also recieved two separate messages about this from other users. Unblocked this for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:: I got a response from John Q. over on the Wikia mailing list saying that this is fixed/will be fixed shortly. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Hmm. Maybe not quite fixed yet, I had trouble getting that edit to go through... --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the welcome ^^ ==

Hey, thanks for the welcome to WikiFur. This is my first time actually registering for a Wiki community, so it'll be a learning experience, but I'm looking forward to adding what I can, when I can. Oh, question -- how do I reply to things on my Talk page? {{unsigned|IanKeith}}

:Welcome to wiki, then, too. :-) You can reply to others in the way you did just now. You should generally sign your names when on talk pages, though, so that people know who left the message without going to the history. You can use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> for this, or just <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> if you don't want the date. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== timeline tag ==

Hi. I just solve timeline bug and you can use it again --[[User:Inez|Inez]] 10:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you, Inez! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== NO CARRIER ==

Thanks for cleaning up after my messes. :) I'll get the wiki standards hammered through my thick skull eventually! 
-[[User:Furvert|Furv]]

== How to do bot vandal rollbacks ==

In cases of mass vandalism (page blanking and the like) it is acceptable to use the "bot" rollback method. To do this, go to the user's contribution page by clicking their name or IP address in the userlist, then add &bot=1 to the URL (or ?bot=1 if there is no ? already in the URL). Press enter to reload that URL, and then just open all the rollback links in new tabs. This will give the initial edit a "bot" flag, so that only your revert will be visible in [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll do it that way next time. By the way, when responding to a user talk comment like this, is there a way to have the thread automatically replicated in the other user's talk page? I've always done it by manually copying the response in both places. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
::Not that I know of. Would be nice! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

'twas fun playing with you furries. --[[User:149.9.0.27|149.9.0.27]] 19:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC) =)

== more vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaperm, were getting vandalized including the front page! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
: O NOES VANDALISM @_@ --[[User:85.214.66.61|85.214.66.61]] 14:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WERE UNDER ATTACK! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 22:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Chinmyou ==
Thanks for the welcome. X3
[[User:Chinmyou|Chinmyou]] 06:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners Wikipedia page deletion threat again ==

Hey GreenReaper, Sorry to constantly bother you but I just saw on the talk page of the Wikipedia.org Extinctioners page that it will be coming under a deletion threat within several days claiming wikifur IS NOT a reliable source (yeah right), here is the link to the page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Extinctioners - I hope it will not be removed, I don't understand it, they have pages for other furry comics but they seem the think this one is not worthy but if you think its not worth fighting over, I will understand, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, WikiFur ''isn't'' a reliable source, at least not in Wikipedia's terms. Someone could come by and change anything at any time. Articles are not guaranteed to be peer-reviewed - indeed, there is no particularly certainty that information on WikiFur has been checked by anyone. Contributions are, in many cases, anonymous. If you want to have an article at Wikipedia, you need to give proper references to the primary sources (the comics themselves), or to secondary sources that have been published in some kind of guaranteed editorially-reviewed medium, like a comic review in a published [[fanzine]] (or better).

:Consider: You wrote most of the pages on WikiFur about the comic. Who's to say you weren't making up half of the stuff you wrote? You can see their situation - they can't just rely on your words for its accuracy. It is not that it is a furry comic. It is the entire article is your original creation, and you've not backed it up with links that show the source of the facts that you state. Go look at [[Wikipedia:Samuel Conway|this article]] for an example of what I mean. There are probably worse articles, but that does not excuse the one about ''Extinctioners''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate what you have told me and I finally can see where wikipedia is coming from, I will leave this decision in the hands of those at Wikipedia (since I am unable to try and fight for it to remain again) and just continue with the one here, thanks for your help :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Redirecting articles? ==

I was poking around in the Templates section to see how I could re-direct a link that currently goes nowhere to an article that is relevant. I wanted to link "Ace of Spades" and "Morrigan's War" to the "Empires" article but could not see a way to do it..? Thank you. {{unsigned|Kette' Barona}}

:To do that, go to the pages [[Ace of Spades]] and [[Morrigan's War]] and put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Empires]]</nowiki> in there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== FA and such ==

I just wanted to apologize, again-- though I guess to you directly-- for what I did the other day. I was responding more as damage control to prevent an explosion of drama rather than following the guidelines stipulated. This whole thing, though not directly affecting me, has seemed to've killed my patience and thinking. Thankfully it's cleared up now.

It won't happen again. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 17:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:It's understandable. No worries. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Uploading avatar pic quesion ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to bug you but I have a question, there is a pic I would like to use as my avatar (or fursona if thats what its called), I have gotten the artists permission (no via e-mail), I was just wondering what porceedures I need to do before uploading such a pic, here are the links:
*Shadow-Wolf (artist) - http://shadow-wolf.deviantart.com/
*the picture I want to use - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8577254/?qo=165&q=by%3Ashadow-wolf&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
*and finally the message giving me permission to use this pic - http://my.deviantart.com/notes/1/52363257

I just want to ensure I do not mess up on this matter, I would really appreciate your help with this

:I can't see that note, probably since they're private, but for that sort of thing we're fine with taking people's word for it unless the artist complains. Just make sure to mention the name of the artist in the picture description, and select "fursona" in the dropdown license box when you upload it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:heres the note -

From: *shadow-wolf
Date: Nov 4, 2006, 12:17:03 PM
sure, go for it! Could you credit me in your journal or something, link back to the original picture? It'd be a great plug for me if you could. ^^ Thank you for having the courtasy to ask first

~nymph

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RVDDP2501 said the following:

Hi Shadow Wolf, I'm RVDDP2501, listen, I was wondering if I could get your permission to use your Venom Pic as my avatar, I really like it and I'm a huge Venom fan, I just wanted to ask your permission first, thanks

P.S. I'm the Extinctioners wikifur page creator

and finally (forgive my ignorence) what exactly is the drop box your refering to? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

wait... I think I've found what your talking about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Other-Language Wikis ==

We've talked before about a possible Swedish-language furry wiki. It is likely that I will find myself with a good chunk of free time (or at least that what free time I have won't be eaten up by pesky things like take-home schoolwork) in a month or so - would it still be of interest that I go ahead and request the wiki to be made? (Last we discussed it on LJ, I kind of got heaped with massive amounts of Stuff soon afterwards, unfortunately.) I could probably get [[Ricadonna]] to link it from the [[SveaFur]] homepage as well, so that there'd be at least a few contributors more or less guaranteed. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:Someone needs to learn to think before she talks. I also meant to ask if you have a preference for a Wikia-hosted wiki (would it help with organization, for instance?) or if it could be privately hosted for all you care? I know the host I plan on moving to makes it ridiculously simple to install a wiki, so if it's all the same to you that might be a better route, as that also eliminates the ads? I'm just disorganized today, sorry. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::I'd still be very interested in seeing more furry wikis in different languages. As the one who intends to do the work to found the wiki, it's up to you to decide where it should be. :-) I think Wikia is a good choice for those who don't want to be dealing with server-side issues or costs. If you believe that the technical ability to start and maintain the wiki software is available (whether you or they can provide it), and if you are sure that the hosting will be maintained, then there's no problem with hosting it anywhere. For various reasons, I felt it was suitable for the English language furry wiki to be here, but it doesn't mean others have to. We can link back and forth wherever you are. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I talked to my boyfriend, whom I will be sharing the bandwidth with, and unless I magically get an insane permanent-ish workload, it sounds as though I'll privately host the wiki when we get set up at the new host. Would put it somewhere around early December, which suits me fine as that puts it past most of my current deadlines. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 17:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

== More All Fur Fun stuff! ==

Hi GreenReaper! All Fur Fun (the new furry convention) has a new website up and running. It's already linked, but I was hoping someone could edit the convention's entry to show that we're a bit more organized now, hehe! I'd do it myself, but I tend to do Very Wrong Things when I try to edit wiki pages, so I'd rather have someone with experience do it. ;D

Thanks in advance! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 02:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

:Did it last night, but forgot to note that here. If I've missed anything, or if you develop more details over time, do feel free to add it in. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the offer ==

Thanks for the offer, and the cleanup of my page. If it would be at all possible, would you please make my page more wiki friendly? I'm not the best wiki editor. Much Thanks in advance. -- [[Jaie_Davis]]

== RVDDP2501 character name change request ==

Hey GreenReaper, how are you doing, listen, I'm sorry to ask you to do this for me yet again but I need two character's names changed, the characters [[Slash]] and [[Short]], I need the last name WhiteEye added to the both of them so they would be e.g. Slash WhiteEye, thanks, I would really appreciate your help with this - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 17:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It was the least I could do to honor the memory of a fine person and a dedicated Furry (He was a Cheetah because he had freckles...lol).

I know all of you furries who knew him must miss him terribly.

I know I still find myself thinking of David from time to time and wish his life had not been taken away so violently and suddenly.

David's death was followed the week after by my Mother's death and the week after that my Grandma passed.

Three loved ones in three weeks.....you never know when they are gonna go...so make sure they know how much you love them...while they are here.

I am not a Furry, but, your members are really great people. Keep the fur flying!

== Nice job on the Did You Know section... ==

I just wanted to say, nice job on it. I never knew that CSI or any sutch show even '''knew''' about the fandom, let alone made episodes with dramatically skewed ideas. (Yiffing parties! :) hmm... whered they hear of those? I'd REALLY like to know... :b ) I wonder, I think theres an episode of law and order with furr... also, nice for ptting it on the front page. [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:Glad you like it! We should really update it more frequently. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hey, I'd be happy to fill it in for you or do something to help if you gave me some material or something. :) [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:::Feel free to have a look through [[Special:Newpages]] to find some interesting tidbits, then [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&action=edit replace the current text] and add your new stuff to the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|archive page]]. There are other suggestions for ways to help on the [[WikiFur:Community Central|Community Central]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur page problem ==

Hey GreenReaper, I don't know if this is a problem caused by my computer, but recently the pages on wikifur seem a little out of pleace, all the user access links (contributions, watch list, etc.) are covered up by the page I'm looking at plust the page options (discussion, edit, etc.) are also covering up the pages name, the only thing I have done is update my internet explorer to 7.0, is this in fact a problem with my computer or is it something that is wrong with wikifur, please let me know, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:This appears to be a problem with Wikia - they have changed the CSS in a way that is incompatible with IE7. I've sent them a little note about this, hopefully it will be fixed within a day or so. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, let me know when this has been fixed cause I reverted back to the previous version of IE since the problem was starting to annoy me :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Kirru sized.png ==

Hello GreenReaper,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Kirru sized.png]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 01:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== My Wikifur page ==

Hey, thanks for the help, I'm kinda new to this stuff ^.^

Little question tho, my page is also in the 'hybrid' catagory... Shouldn't be, since I'm 100% pure fox. How can I change that? [[User:Darkfoxx|Darkfoxx]] 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

: I took care of that for you [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 15:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:: Thanks, Simba. Darkfoxx: The categories an article is in are defined by the <nowiki>[[Category:]]</nowiki> tags, usually at the bottom of the page. Remove them, and it removes an article from the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== WikiFur Central/Header ==

It appears that since your latest edits to [[Template:WikiFur Central/Header]], it is now covering up the [[Template:Newsbar]], at least when I view it under Firefox. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:Eh, never mind. Looks like you fixed it. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::''Interested users should see [[Talk:WikiFur Furry Central#Featured article length]] for more details.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Species ==

Is it okay to change species? cause i don't think a wolf fits me well . . . [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:it's fine, but changing your'e account name here? that's a thing... [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]

::Nobody's going to stop you doing either, though if you change your name, let me know what it is and I can move the appropriate pages over so that the history is retained, rather than just copying and pasting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I guess i would want my new name to be Skunk-Raccoon. [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 03:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Not going for something a little more . . . original? The danger of such names is that you might change over time, and also other people tend to do the same thing (see [[Tigerwolf]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Original? Well . . . i'll try, uhm . . . could it taken from a band name or something? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 15:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::It's up to you. I just want to help try and avoid name clashes in the future. The advantage of making up a name that nobody else has is that . . . well, nobody else has it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I think i came up with my name . . . "Basic Bassist". It's not the coolest, but, it works, i guess :) [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Cool. Let me know when you're sure, and if you want me to move the pages about you to a new location (perhaps after you register that as a nickname here). [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::So, i just register that name, and that's it? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, and tell me here. '''*grin*''' [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Huh? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::"I wouldn't want to move your user page until you've registered the name, so tell me here once you have." [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Alright [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 14:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Done! [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Thank you!!! '''*hugs*''' [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 23:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I spelled "Bassist" wrong . . . could you fix it? [[User:Basic Basist|Basic Basist]] 02:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Sure. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

==Greetings==
Hello, thanks for the welcome! I've removed some unnecessary personal info from a vandal's userpage, since no one here has checkuser it would be of no benefit to them. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Jewbo_Wales&oldid=104070 Here] is the version with the IP info on it, in case you need to request a checkuser with the staff. ^_^ [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=104122&oldid=104094 Heh] ==

[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Ket I] didn't really consider it vandalism, so I removed that section. Hope that's fine-[[User:SkippFox|SkippFox]] 09:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Block of 71.98.64.0/18 ==

Are you sure about blocking that entire subnet? We've only had two vandlism incidents from there over the last 24 hours. I'm concerned that we might exclude potential contributors from that block. May I propose that we unblock that block and reblock only if we keep having incidents of vandalism from there? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:If you wish. It's only 16384 addresses, though - I doubt we have contributors and trolls in that same block. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the welcome. ==

I'm slowly getting myself back onto the net, so this was as good a place to start as any. :D {{unsigned|Khromat}}

== Reversed clock time? ==

Note the [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=High_Tail_Hall&action=history edit history] for [[High Tail Hall]], specifically, my recent minor revisions. WTF. The "on second thought" revision should have been applied after the correction of possessive form. Repeating the edit seems to have been effective, but I'd rather not see that kind of glitch happening to anyone else. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 10:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:This is due to de-synched clocks on the various Wikia servers... if you look at the actual revision numbers, you'll see that 105229 is listed as occuring after 105230. This ''should'' only affect diff viewing and histories (but can be spotted by looking at the numbers). We are attempting to find the reason for the time desynchings, but this happens every once in a while. I've asked the techies to see if there is an easy way to fix these (it should be a simple as swapping the timestamps of any revisions that are not chronologically sequential, maybe). --[[w:User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[w:User_talk:Splarka|talk]]) 10:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== Request ==

Ok, the discussion seems to have died on the talk page, so I'll ask you personally: can you just delete the info on Aardvark, as he seems to have moved on to other wikis? He hasn't vandalized here in about two months, I don't see the purpose. I understand he tried to get it removed a while back, but was... none too friendly about it and vandalized pages. Well, while that's not the only reason I registered, it's part of it - to get rid of his personal info. I've removed it from the [[ED]] article already and several editors, including yourself, have had their attentions drawn to edits to that article, but no one has reverted. Does this mean you feel it's not necessary? Let's say he goes for the rest of 2006 without vandalizing WikiFur - would you consider deleting the vandal page for him then?

ALso, someone has brought up that I may be Blu Aardvark... I'm open to having a staff member checkuser me to prove I'm not. I've actually edited elsewhere under other accounts - I would assume that's allowed on Wikia for privacy reasons, but they can at least tell you I'm located far from Blu Aardvark and edit elsewhere constructively. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
*You there? WOuld this be better handled by email? Or are you unconcerned? I don't mean to pester, but it's been buggin me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 01:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== Thoughts on spam from webstores? ==

I've seen some links that state a specific item is "available at <insert webstore URL here>" where the website is an ordinary online store not involved with the creation of said item. When does this constitute unwanted spam? If the item can be Googled fairly easily, should we delete such link postings? Should we be supportive if the store is sufficiently furry or furry-friendly? -- [[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 01:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:Well, this depends on the situation, but if the link does provide value to readers I wouldn't remove it. I may even have added it myself. There's a difference between "could be googled fairly easily" and "everyone will know where buy this item, and will do so without being prompted to do so," and it can often be the difference between a sale and a missed opportunity. I ''would'' probably consider putting a furry-friendly store above a generic link to Amazon.com, but I wouldn't remove a link to Amazon.com if it made it more likely that people would buy whatever it was. I see people buying more furry stuff as a '''good''' thing. *grin* [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:GreenReaper

2006-12-12T13:34:05Z

Redfur: Request

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-12T13:22:01Z

Redfur: /* Recent reverts */ - someone seems to think so

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account] there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here] is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:I wonder if that Shifting Souls guy is Miltopia. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 12:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/index.php?title=User:Shifting_Souls&redirect=no Someone] seems to think so. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 13:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-07T15:52:09Z

Redfur: Recent reverts

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account] there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha these edits what the Christ? --[[User:Downspin|'''DS''']]|[[User talk:Downspin|go]] 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.textfiles.com/media/SCRIPTS/aliens "You tell me. I only work here."] :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Recent reverts ==

I reverted most of the edits by Shifting Souls as being attack edits, most if not all of which were mistaken criticism and implied accusations of homosexuality (such implicit accusations show unnecessary prejudice towards homosexuals, in my opinion). Here's a break-down of individual reverts, since it's impossible to fit it all in the edit summary:

#ED is not best known among furries as a source of furry porn. There's plenty on the "furry" article for satirical purposes, and some on several other furry related articles, including some who have asked not to be included at Wikifur for privacy reasons so I won't link them here. ED is not popular among furries, indicating that it's better known for being mean about furries, not for supplying furries with porn.
#ED is not known for gay porn. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Newimages Here] is an automatically generated gallery of the last 20 pictures uploaded to ED at any time. Granted, not all of those will be used in articles, but the ones used in articles are not "mostly gay porn of ugly men".
#ED doesn't accuse people who have had their pictures stolen of stealing them from ED, that's absurd. The only time accusations of "stealing" have happened is when Girlvinyl issued a DMCA to Wikipedia for photos of her on Wikipedia and Uncyclopedia for ED's logo and photos of her.
#As far as I know, furries on ED are not "deemed traitors". Many write articles about furries who are unpopular among the fandom. Several of those articles are actually similar to articles found here, such as the [[Sibe]] articles.
#GreenReaper's edits, while not "vandalism" as I had originally put forth (and have since reworded), were not "too factual". ED is not an anti-semitic site. They satirize Jews because they satirize everything, including themselves.
#The "Rainbow template" on ED has nothing to do with homosexuality. This is just another attempt to associate ED with homosexuality, which, while not insulting in itself, is a non-existent association. The following sentence he added about 2 sysops being homosexual is true, but with my revert of the "rainbow" part, is now irrelevant (and also not particularly fantastic, as that's 5% of the population, a normal representation of homosexuals). Which note to the above comment, note that the same editor is saying ED is anti-Jewish but also pro-homosexual, despite the fact that ED makes fun of gays as well, so I'm not sure their judgement about ED is reliable.

And that's it. Let me know if there are any problems. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 15:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-07T15:27:54Z

Redfur: removing attack content by Shifting Soul, I'll explain in detail on the talk page (I did re-insert other edits since then)

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Sherrod "Girlvinyl" DeGrippo
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site believes that [[furries]] do things just for the lulz and so spreads lulz by showing all the lulzy parts of furries. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries are welcome to edit there as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up, GreenReaper edited the section, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the copyrighted images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the United States, they may also violate the Communications Decency Act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

The website also states that all content people add are Copyright its site <ref>www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Copyright</ref>.

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to his IP from Wikipedia. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|Blu Aardvark]] also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occurred at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales]</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=]</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-07T15:11:23Z

Redfur: hasn't edited since October

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T11:13:06Z

Redfur: yes, and I took this down and reworded it

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site believes that [[furries]] do things just for the lulz and so spreads lulz by showing all the lulzy parts of furries. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up, GreenReaper edited the section, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the copyrighted images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the United States, they may also violate the Communications Decency Act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to his IP from Wikipedia. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|Blu Aardvark]] also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occurred at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales]</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=]</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T10:23:22Z

Redfur: reinserting relevant section. Taking out "vandalism" though

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site believes that [[furries]] do things just for the lulz and so spreads lulz by showing all the lulzy parts of furries. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up, GreenReaper edited the section, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the copyrighted images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the United States, they may also violate the Communications Decency Act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to his IP from Wikipedia. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|Blu Aardvark]] also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occurred at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales]</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=]</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
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[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T07:19:20Z

Redfur: anyway...

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T06:58:37Z

Redfur: what?

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T06:04:05Z

Redfur: yoou've got it wrong

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T05:12:00Z

Redfur: grammar

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T05:00:32Z

Redfur: no surprise

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T05:00:27Z

Redfur: *as

WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

2006-12-06T04:56:58Z

Redfur: no need for this

User:Jewbo Wales

2006-12-06T04:52:26Z

Redfur: No need, available to GR

This vandal appears to have caused problems on WikiPedia, as well. See [[WikiPedia:User:Jewbo_Wales%2C_LOL]].

This vandal is actually: [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)]]

[[Category:WikiFur vandals]]

User talk:GreenReaper

2006-12-06T04:51:29Z

Redfur: /* Greetings */ - signing

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== Welcome Response September 12, 2006 ==

Thank you, GreenReaper. I kinda stumbled across this site yesterday and decided to 1. Create an account and 2. Make my page. I was quite flattered to find my name listed in the DJ section of Rainbow Tiger's page, so I got my hooves wet and started a personal page. I'll try to keep it rated PG, but we'll have to see what happens. I'll have a placeholder up for a while with many ... many edits while I figure out the syntax.

[[Heuvadoches Naumova]]

== Welcome response ==

You're welcome! I'll be sure to let you know if I need any help. =^.^= -[[User:Alfador|Alfador]]

Thanks, GR. -- [[User:VederJuda|VederJuda]] 10:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== [[PAINWOLF]] ==
Name painwolf I need to talk to about my page.

Contact Info:
Yahoo and AIM: NL4PAINWOLF
MSN: PAINWOLF@hotmail.com

E-mails: PAINWOLF@gmail.com

:''Replied'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

== Norn ==

Ok, so i guess the question is, why is there a norn running around on the furry edit link ... it seems to hide if I try to interact directly. Do you have more info? -- [[User:Mongoose|Amar Shadowpaws]] 14:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think his name is Hebe. He followed me over from the [[w:c:Creatures|Creatures Wiki]]. I've not had the time to catch him and release him back into [[w:c:Creatures:Albia|the wild]] yet. Besides, he likes to help out - he's done a good job at finishing off the stubs people leave around. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks for coming to lunch ==

Here are my [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikimania_Notes notes] from our lunch. We will start working hard to get more information out on where the features and bug fixes are going. I really appreciated your support and encouragement, not too mention chatting with you at dinner Thursday. [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]| [http://world.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Gil talk]

==Response to Welcome==
Just wanna say thanks for the greeting, I'll be sure to ask if I need help with anything ;)

Thanks for greeting me. I had to make my own page look a little spiffier ya know? :D

==Thanks for cleaning up after me==
I've been multitasking, so I'm a little scatterbrained at the moment. =^_^!= --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

And me as well, thanks. Couldn't figure out why I couldn't get those wikipedia links working internally, o,O
--[[User:Animakitty|Anima]] 18:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Picture on commons ==
Your lecture was very interesting. I have one more picture of you. See:
*http://www.poli.toya.net.pl/Wikimania_2006_galeria/pages/100-0070_IMG.html
Fill free to copy it if you want.

Polimerek.

:Thanks again! I'll do that. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== infoboxes ? ==

I copied [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Webcomic]] to [[Template:Infobox webcomic]] because I thought having webcomic infoboxes (such as the one at [[Wikipedia:Aozora]]) would be nice. The template partially works (example at [[User:EarthFurst]]). I'm guessing the rest of that template doesn't work because WikiFur doesn't have [[Template:If]] ? WP has [[Wikipedia:Template:If]]. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:According to [[User:Splarka|Splarka]], it's due to a problem with tables and parserfunctions on Wikia. He going to try fixing it . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Hmm, the infobox was working beautifully at [[TwoKinds]], but doesn't seem to be working now. I've posted question to wikia's Help desk on the matter http://www.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Wikia_hiccup_%3F&t=20060817035856 . I'm reverting [[TwoKinds]] until the error is resolved. I'll be re-checking [[User:EarthFurst]] to see when the infox starts working again. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Did you know? ==

[[Rod O'Riley]]'s band [[Illegal Operation]] will be performing live as part of the furry programming track at this month's [[Worldcon]] in the Los Angeles area. Do you think it would be a reasonable use of the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] box to add an entry for this to help draw attention to it? Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 16:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:Don't see why not. That whole section could do with a full update. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just got some bad news that the concert event had to be cancelled due to issues out of their control, so I revised the entry. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 05:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

It's fun to see that my bio is a Featured article now. That means both of my pages have gotten onto the front page.
[[User:Fox Cutter|Fox Cutter]] 21:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:I know! This wasn't actually intentional - I only noticed after I featured it. It seemed to be a good pick, so it went up. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Hi there! ==

Thanks very much pal, if I need any help I know who to turn to now. ^^

- Eric B.

P.S. I'm sorry for posting this as an article, I really don't know how to respond to the comment you gave me. Well, maybe I need your help already. ^^;

== RVDDP2501 ==

Hey GreenReaper, Its been a while since I had last heard from you, hows things? Listen, I just wanted to say thanks for the reversion of the damaged done to one of my character pages, man, when will this stupidness stop, hope to hear from you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there. Things are good! The vandalism will continue, undoubtedly, to a greater or lesser extent, but we seem to be coping with it well enough. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)''

::Hi GreenReaper, the upgrade was a pleasant surprise after that last bit of unpleasant business. Thanks! --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 04:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== sorry for the previous post : ==

Sorry for the post, I just wanted to report a raid that was headed your way.
If i suspect a raid in the future where do you think i should report this too?
:I had to check the article history to find the post you were referring to. At a guess, it was probably mistaken for link spam, which we get here fairly often. We do appreciate the efforts of people to notify us of attacks in the offing. For future reference, it would be helpful to include a couple of sentences saying what is to be found at the link. (By the way, when I tried the link just now I got a 'Thread Not Found' error - whatver had been there is gone now.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 07:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:Here is fine, although you could try the [[Forum:Index|forum]] as well. As for your post, someone else edited my user page to remove it, but I'd already read the thread before you posted it so that was OK. :-)

:We get a lot of people planning stuff, but half of them never show up, and the rest turn out only to have 5 people or so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Incomming Raid Group!!! ==

[[Image:Wikifur.png|left|frame|This is the [[WikiFur]] logo!]]

Be On the lookout for the next few days please sir! --[[User:PaulRevere|PaulRevere]] 21:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:It would be helpful if we had a link to the site where this came from so we could investigate further. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, DeusEx again? He's been working on that for a while, as I recall. I guess we'll see if anything comes of it. We've coped quite well so far with a full bot attack, even when it was using a network of 600 proxies.

:It's cute the way they seem to think using Í will stop google indexing their site, let alone the "totally inept" part. So far it's about 10-0 on successful "organized" raids. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::That reminds me - did we ever implement a "panic button" - something any of the admins could use in an emergency to block all updates if a major vandalism/bot attack were in progress? If there is an easy way to protect the entire site to sysop only, that would probably suffice. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Like a "Lock-down" script? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::More like a "restrict edits to group X" script, though locking the DB might be a reasonable first step. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:: You know, we need to write an app to have a [[User:Nidonocu#Score_Board|Score Board]] like what Nidonocu has. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I edit that manually you know. ;) Though I agree a panic page would be useful. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Oh Gods ^-^ or a [[Wikipedia:DHS|DHS]]'s like [[Wikipedia:Homeland_Security_Advisory_System|Security Advisory System]],... "Today's Threat Level is "Fluffy," with some chances of /b/tards in the afternoon." [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Removing a name on "People". ==

Hello there! i am Crowe Basalt, and previously, i did go by "Grimmutt". i edited an article on "Grimmutt", but, as i am going back to only using the "Crowe Basalt" name, i'd like to have "Grimmutt"'s page removed.

thank you! {{unsigned|Crowebasalt}}

:Hi there, Crowe, and welcome back to WikiFur! The best way to go about that is usually to move the article, as that preserves the original history. I will fix that up later tonight when I get home. Do you wish us to keep the information about your character Grimmutt as a separate section on the page about you, or should I remove it and just mention that you used to go by the name? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alternative to page protection ==

Hey, this is Carrie Pika.

Is there any way I can get this page locked so it shows only this? I don't want anyone adding personal information about me without my knowledge, so I'd like to have it left at just this.

Thanks~ {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:We can probably do that. You could also just put your email into your [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]] and then click the Watch tab, so it will tell you whenever someone edits so that you can check it out. Which would you prefer? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, that'd work great, actually! I'll go ahead and do that. Thanks! {{unsigned|CarriePika}}

:Excellentage. Enjoy WikiFur. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

== And thanks to you. ==

I do appreciate the clean-up of my page, and the separation of the book summary. Many thanks! You guys do an amazing job here. - Alicia

:You're welcome. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

== something to be very angry ==

I wrote an article and someone, german wrote me this:

"Meine Fresse, ich hab noch nie so ein BESCHISSENES ENGLISCH gelesen. Kauf dir mal ein verdammtes Leben!!"

In a free translation it's:"Damn I've never read such a shitty english. Buy a damn life"
Well maybe my english isn't taht good but is it necessary to write the comment in this way? Without an name or anything else.

I think you're not able to find out who did it are you?

And so maybe you could delete my account and the article about me. because I don't want to be a part of something like this. Sorry and thanks for the chocolat. ^^ {{unsigned|Andraste}}

:That comment [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Andraste&action=history was made] by a person with the IP address [[User:89.48.235.195|89.48.235.195]]. They are obviously not a regular user, otherwise they would indeed have signed their comment - and made the edit with a registered account. That edit to the talk page was their [[Special:Contributions/89.48.235.195|only contribution so far]]. There is therefore little to say about them, other than that their IP address resolved to the name "Lebc3.l.pppool.de" - probably a dialup account in Germany.

:I would suggest you pay as much attention to you as someone who posts once on a forum anonymously to insult you, never having contributed to that forum before - that is, precisely no attention at all. If your English is not the best, so what? You are German! The fact that you can write English at all is better than most English people could do with German. If they thought the article was bad, the anonymous editor should have fixed it rather than complained about it. And, in fact, many others did. :-)

:In the last day [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Andraste&action=history several edits] by at least four other people have been made to the article about you (perhaps you made a link to it from somewhere else?). I would ask that you consider '''those''' edits to be an example of what WikiFur is, and not the anonymous commenter - who, I would note, could not even manage to put their ''own'' comment in English. We have [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|a policy against personal attacks]], and any regular contributor would know better than to make such a comment. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Recategorization of [[List of convention acronyms]] ==

I don't see why this fits better with [[:Category:Convention terms]] than [[:Category:Conventions]] when it seems to fit the Conventions cat just as well as [[List of furs who were married at a furry con]] or [[List of conventions by attendance]] (both of which are in [[:Category:Conventions]]), since like those two, its a sort of comparison/reference list between different conventions, as opposed to Category:Convention terms which seems to be a list of general terms used within a convention. --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 21:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

:OK. Change it back if you wish. My view was that an acronym was a convention term, but I can can see your side too. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur now adversarial? ==

I've read with interest the discussion on Sibe, specifically your comment:

''That is why I am opposed to the removal of the article in whole - because what he has done deserves remembering. It is our business, because Sibe has been bothering us as a community.''

Does this mean Wikifur will not be so much as a source of neutral information, but that Wikifur will now become adversarial in relations to information about people who you (singularly or collectively) believe have wronged Furry? Do you feel that it's now your job/right/reponsibility to punish these people by using Wikifur as a "bully pulpit"?

I hope this isn't the case. Wikifur, despite a healthy dose of pro-Furry slobbery, has been a respectable source of neutral information.

:You'd have to put that question to the wider community for a full answer, as it's a question about where they want WikiFur to go. I'm one of the editors leading the project, but there are others. Still, I can provide some explanation, and the answer I would give is basically "no, but we're not going to go out of our way to do such people any favours either."

:The information on the individuals itself ''should'' unquestionably be neutral and factual (no, this doesn't always happen, and if you see a problem, please explain why and fix it). The only choice we have been making in some cases is whether or not to ''remove'' that neutral information (or some of it) on request, per the [[WikiFur:Personal information|personal information policy]]. This might well ''not'' be a neutral decision, because this is a community made up of members of the furry fandom, and as it is our website it is up to us to decide whether or not that is appropriate. Ultimately our role is to serve the best interests of the fandom, and that generally means trying not to hurt those who are or have been worthwhile members of it. We may care less about the possibility of hurting other people.

:If a person is just a regular member of the fandom - maybe well-regarded, maybe just "one of the gang", then people tend not to fuss too much if they want to remove personal information - and if they have not really done all that much special, that might include the entire article about them (if not, then references to them might remain in other articles). If an individual has, over time, given the community a significant amount of grief, they are likely to say "no, this person is just trying to hide from the problems they have caused" and deny the request. In short, if they've had no respect for our community, then we as a community are likely to have as little respect for them. That is why exclusions that may be contentious go to talk pages - so that the community can decide what to do in that particular situation.

:These sorts of situation are fortunately pretty rare. In Sibe's case, though, his "bothering" was widely commented-on, were intimately connected to his person (not any external group), and occured over a long period of time. If WikiFur is recording furry history, it makes little sense to exclude him, particularly given that he has shown no reticence (or regret) on occasion over detailing the lives of others where it suited ''him''. We're perfectly aware that he doesn't like it being up there, but over time he's pissed off enough people in the fandom that few seem to care about what he feels anymore.

:The thing is, all we have to do is say the truth. His own actions are what comdemn him. We don't even need to say they were bad. If telling the truth about someone makes them look bad in the eyes of the reader, then it's a fair bet that they deserve it.

:This situation of information removal based on respect does not really apply to groups, whatever the standing of the group in the community. I would not support removing the history of the [[Burned Furs]], for example, or that of [[Sociopolitical Ramifications]], or [[FurryMUCK]], because these are important groups that have had a historical impact on the fandom. Maybe if it was a really small and personal group that hasn't . . . again, that'd be discussed on the appropriate talk pages.

One final question: why is it so common to list the real names of people who've had adversarial relations with furry but not with those individuals considered friendly to the fandom? Why are real names included at all?

:There might be various reasons for the inclusion of real names. For some people, their real name is just one item of information about them, such as the colour of their character's fur. Other people might not '''have''' nicknames that are well-known within the fandom (but really, this applies as much if not more to people "friendly to the fandom" as to others). In that case, it seems appropriate to use their real name, just as we tend to use the real name of artists that have used it as their identifier in the fandom.

:In some cases, there may have been a good reason to find out the real name of a person, particularly if it might allow members of the furry fandom to more easily identify a person who is using a variety of nicknames or even their real name in a different venue (we can't say "go look at Laurence's posts in forum X" without telling them who Laurence is). It might also be that people are just more inclined to include the real names of people that they don't like, in the hope that others outside the fandom will see what that person is like. This is not ideal editing, but if the person concerned doesn't request the removal of their name, it will not be changed - the article will be reworded to be based solely on facts if possible, or removed if not.

:The question perhaps shouldn't be "why are real names included at all", but "why aren't real names included for everyone?". Ultimately, aritcles should be under the name which people would link to, and so that is the only name that '''has''' to be there. In the furry fandom, this is more often than not the person's fan name, if they have one. They may only use this name, or they may use their real name as well. If so, people may or may not decide to add it, but it's not considered critical if it's not usually used. Even if a person's real name ''is'' regularly used, in general we will on request remove a person's real name and replace it with their fan name/nickname when describing them, whether or not they are/have been members of the fandom. However, members of the fandom are a) more likely to request this, becuase more of them come here, b) are (slightly) more likely to have such a request accepted (because if non-members are listed here it is usually because they are either famous or infamous, not just because they're furry), and c) are more likely to have such nicknames to use in the first place (we can't exactly say "The comic Fuzzy Things, authored by {blank} . . .").

:I'm aware this answer was rather long and rambling, but that's because I'm tired, and it's a complicated issue when talking in general. If you have specific cases you want explained, feel free to point them out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::GreenReaper, in response to your reply, I have added comments to two talk sections, Sibe and Burned Fur, pointing out what I see as an unfair biasing. I'm interested in your reply on both.

::There's also one other possible point on Sibe that you might want to run by an attorney, since the status of Wiki's as "legitimate publications" is still in legal limbo: Sibe is legally a "private figure" and his actions in Furry do not make him, in the legal sense, a "public figure" (both of these are legal terms). As a private individual, he's afforded certain legal protections about what information can be revealed. These protections may or may not cover his criminal record or other information. I think it would be worth your time to consult with someone from the EFF and make sure you haven't crossed the line. While you say that you're just one editor, if no other person can over-rule your edits without your consent, it's your "publication". As such, even if Sibe were to decide to come after Wikifur ''et al'' for any damages the publication of protected information caused him (if any such protections exist at all), you'd still be on the line. Again, the law regarding this may or may not cover him.

:::I agree (unlike some) that Sibe is a private figure, and as such someone ''might'' be liable if we were negligent in publishing made-up facts, even if we did not act with the knowledge that they were false (or with reckless disregard as to whether or not they were false). For example, if we said that the Burned Furs burned people, that would be libel without good evidence. However, a glance at the talk page archives and article history should show you that we have been willing to work with concerned parties to ensure the accuracy of the article, and to obtain exact sources for assertions where appropriate. We have no interest in being negligent (and certainly not grossly negligent), because that makes for a poor article.

:::In contrast, the limitations on information that is actually ''true'' are really quite small, and in general don't apply to us as a private site. I'm not a lawyer, but this situation has come up before and so I've done some research. Criminal records are public information in the State of Washington (and generally speaking in other states). Most other privacy legislation is aimed at restricting what companies can tell third parties about their customers (who they have a contract with), and not about what individuals (who never agreed to any contract) may publish from their own knowledge. The [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] gives us rather sweeping powers in this area that allow us to publish just about anything as long as it is true, and in practice the "due process" terms of the [[Wikipedia:Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution|Fourteenth Amendment]] extends this to the states as well. Credit card numbers, social security numbers and driver's license number would probably be stuff that should be removed. Other than that, it's pretty much fair game and up to the community to decide what it ''should'' publish, in a moral sense.

:::[[Wikia:Wikia, Inc.|Wikia]] is able to overrule my edits without my consent. If people feel I'm not doing a good enough job, or that WikiFur is infringing their rights, they should contact them. They have more experience than I do, and I am willing to defer to them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Hi, Peace from AU ==
Hello, my name is D. Coldheartt. I am the head admin of the Alternative Universe wiki which is also pretty big. I am a big fan of, well furry stuff and creatures and animals so i decided to join here. I was wondering if i could also become a administrator here if at all possib;e. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 23:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

: Admin status is generally given to users who have a history of contributing to the wiki. If you're interested in becoming an admin, we recommend following [[Special:Recentchanges]] and contributing to/cleaning up articles, dealing with vandalism, etc.
: I'm curious about this Alternate Universe wiki that you mentioned. Typing "Alternate Universe wiki" into Google [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe+wiki%22&btnG=Search brings up zero matches]. [http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22Alternative+Universe%22+wiki&btnG=Search A slightly more liberal search] did not help me find it either. Did I misspell or typo something? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The AU has actually been down for quite some time and replaced with Vandal Manifest Editthis Wiki. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC) WikiTV started at Revived Haven Editthis and moved on to Meta Wiki. Jimbos one of the users alowed into revived haven. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Vandal+Manifest%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Vandal Manifest] does not turn up anything.
: [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Revived+Haven%22&btnG=Google+Search Googling for Revived Haven] does not turn up anything, either.
: I'm sensing a pattern here. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:: And he first [[:Special:Contributions/D._Coldheartt|spammed a bunch of the admins]] to ask for admin privileges. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 00:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Heres the link: to VM, http://editthis.info/vandal_manifest/Main_Page a former vandal war site but now good. Ignore the messages the page their is called WikiTV. [[User:D. Coldheartt|D. Coldheartt]] 00:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::None of the pages are available for viewing without a password [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 00:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Please ignore [[User:D. Coldheartt]], it is a swfanon sockpuppeter and general wikia attention spammer. Usernames include: Alacaster Torn, The Vanguard, ThatLittleMidget, Proffesor Mephisto, Black Dawn, Licorice ... --[[w:User:Splarka|Splarka]] ([[w:User_talk:Splarka|talk]]) 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Well cheers for the welcome! ==

Just thought I'd drop by and say thanks for the welcome - wasn't expecting that! Been using this site as a resourse for a good while now so I thought it was only right to inflict a little of myself on here.

[[Werewolf Of London]]

== Hey hey ==

Well I had some problems with creating the article of our new Polish Furries forum and website, but I'm good now.

Say would t be a problem for you to place an info about http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Polska_Strefa_Furry on the main page? {{unsigned|TerrisRacoon}}

:I will update our [[WikiFur:Did you know?|Did you know?]] section on the front page, and include a link to that page, as it is interesting to know about new forums.

:Oh, and a couple of tips - you should not remove a message on a talk page after you have saved it - it should be left on the page so that the person can reply. Otherwise there is no record, and it looks as if there has been no message, which is confusing when the window pops up saying "you have new messages". :-) Also, you can sign your name on Talk: pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It gives this sort of result: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

== Furry gaming project...? ==

Seeing as how Wikipedia has a project that concetrates on improving the quality and quantity of gaming articles, may I suggest implementing a similiar project? The amount of games with furry elements is not a small one, and it would be very helpful, if information about those games (most are old, PC DOS titles, which run perfectly under DosBox) was included in one place, for sake of completeness and subject coverage.

Especially games like [[Project Nomad]] could use that coverage, as they have literally truckloads of content, and it would be helpful to store it in one place, much like [[Albion (video game)|Albion]]'s articles are done.

Just a thought.

Oh, and what is the general stance about making articles about oneself? Mikael Grizzly 22:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

:Seems like a nice enough idea. We already have [[WikiFur:Project Fursuit Central|something similar]] for [[fursuit]]ing, although that's been slow recently. The trouble is there are few "meta"-editors at this time, and so you may find it hard to gather contributors to help you out. I would suggest that you concentrate on one or two particular projects at a time so that it doesn't bog down in needing to do 10 different things at once. :-)

:Articles about yourself are fine as long as they are neutrally written, like any other article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

== Need help putting up an article ==

I want to put up an essay that's under the GNU Free Docement Lisence, and I want to ask for a little bit of tips on how to do it before I actually do it. Or even how I'm suppose to do it. --[[User:Foxpaws-zupe|Foxpaws]] 00:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

:Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do? If you have a GFDL essay from another place, then in general it's fine to just copy it here into a new page as long as you give attribution for the people who wrote it (for example, with Wikipedia you would link to the history page) and preferably link back to the original source. Of course, it would have to fit the topic of the wiki, and be neutral in tone. If it was not neutral (whether or not you wrote it), you should probably avoid putting it in the main namespage - it should go a subpage of your User: space - e.g [[User:Foxpaws-zupe/Article name]] - and it should have a note up at the top similar to that of the [[:Template:personal-article|personal-article template]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey! I'll be alright, I guess. I'll fix the entries up s'more later.

I should remember to tag that 'minor edit' box more often. *nods*

Thank you

== Hi and thankies ==

Hi and thank you for this brill site {{unsigned|Fox92}}

== Happy Birthday! ==

*24 wolftytailswat-spankings!* --[[User:Chibiabos|Chibiabos]] 03:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

== Im sorry for the late reply, but thank you for welcoming me ==

Im afraid I am not use to this place yet and still have a long way to go on it. But im glad that hospitality is shown here ^_^

From [[Duragan]] {{unsigned|Duragan}}

== All Fur Fun now has official dates! ==

Hi there! Could you please edit the convention area to show that [[All Fur Fun]] will be held March 31 - April 1, 2007? Thanks much! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 01:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:Done, and I hope you guys have fun! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Nah~ ==

Just tell me if I should remove the images. They are censored though, but you still see enough~ {{unsigned|Garyu}}

== Vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for repairing the damage to my page as well as other I may not know about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

:You're welcome! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

== Spam cleanup script ==

I have no idea if that was a valid spam cleanup script or if it was an elaborately created vandalism technique, but either way, it was blanking whole pages rather than just removing "spam" links (which weren't actually spam), so I blocked it temporarily. Feel free to unblock it if it isn't actually something trying to erase the whole Wiki. ;3 [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 02:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Higgs Raccoon ==

May I nominate [[User_talk:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] for upgrading to admin? In addition to contributing to numerous articles, he's helped revert vandalism on more than one occasion. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:Let's try that out, then. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Higgs_Raccoon Contributions] are a little low (and lacking discussion edits), but they '''are''' all good, and it's not like there aren't a couple of admins with fewer. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::Well, this is quite an honour. Thankyou Mwalimu for the nomination, and GreenReaper for OKing it. Quite unexpected, really - as noted above, I haven't been here very long and haven't contributed a lot as yet. Hopefully the whole Wikifur novelty won't suddenly wear off. Oh well, if that happens I guess what GreenReaper giveth he can also taketh away! ;) --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 10:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Technically, no - I have to go to Wikia for that. That's why I don't generally give it out without recommendation. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism War! ==

A user going by the name of [[User:Arwel Parry]] is vandalizing a number of pages right now! I'd reverting edits as fast as I can. Always happy to help! --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:18, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed vandalism with [[User:Arcturus]] --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 11:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== Where you be on Eye Arr Cee? ==

*cough* Um.. ignore the poor rhyming, just wondering where you is as I've snuck back to the IRC channel the last few days and haven't seen you on at all. o.O --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:...Now I see your note, make it '''bigger''' next time. X) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== SilvrWingsDragon ==

He! Its me, Carrie, from Anthrocon. I tickled you, remember? And I think I had the pupper fox plushie. :) Whats up?

You can, btw, reach me at AminElea@aol.com

:Hi there! I do indeed remember . . . *hides*

:I'm doing fairly well - indeed, I just went to [http://conclavesf.org another convention] last weekend (which I need to actually write about sometime this week). I'll try and contact you when I get back home - still busy at work right now. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== Furcadia origins? ==

I am not trying to be a pain in the rear here, but I wonder about the claim on the furcadia article that says that it has been around since 1996. I was following this stuff back in the late nineties and I was pretty surprised to hear that. Wolfhome was one of the first websites featuring multi-user chat and I don't remember furcadia.com being around. We were running a company by 2000. While I didn't do an exhaustive search, I am surprised that a furry chat site that would have been a direct competitor to Wolfhome escaped me. Wolfhome started on Gre7g Luterman's site, TempleOfLuna.com, back on October 31st, 1999.

The other thing that I discovered is that the whois record for Furcadia.com was created in 1999 (see below). Add to that a web search on the "Wayback Machine" http://web.archive.org, which tracks websites back to the mid nineties, which shows that in 1999, furcadia.com was a placeholder site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://furcadia.com

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's that whois record:

Registrant:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC.
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US

Domain Name: FURCADIA.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
DRAGON'S EYE PRODUCTIONS, INC. sanct@furcadia.com
767 Sam Bass Rd
Round Rock, TX 78680-1048
US
+358407672478 fax: +358427672478

Record expires on 03-Feb-2011.
Record created on 03-Feb-1999.
Database last updated on 10-Oct-2006 21:10:34 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.234
NS2.FURCADIA.COM 72.36.220.239

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

None of that is meant to take away from the current success of furcadia, but I wonder what supports the claim that they were running a website back in 1996?

Here's the web archive for templeofluna.com:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://templeofluna.com

BTW, thanks for providing this great site focusing on the Furry community!

[[User:Wunderwood|underdog]]

:Hi there, underdog! The claim is that they were running Furcadia (the client-based MMO experience) since 1996, not Furcadia.com (the website), and I think it is substantiated by [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/46c69d49b74b57d0 this thread] from May 1999 in which Dr. Cat states in passing that it "opened two and a half years ago". There is also [http://web.archive.org/web/19981205041337/www.realtime.net/furcadia/ this website (www.realtime.net/furcadia)] from December 1998, at which point they appear to already have had 400,000 visits.

:As for the website - you're welcome! I didn't exactly do it by myself, though - you can [http://wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaFURRY.htm#wikipedians thank the people here], along with the hundreds of other editors for filling it with content. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Ah, ok.. I read that wrong ==

Thanks for the clarification. I had interpreted that pretty narrowly before. {{Unsigned|Wunderwood}}

== Hiya there ==

yeah, I found that I had a page to edit and submit info to, and thanks for the help offer. Ill be editing when I can, and look forward to contributing here. :3 {{unsigned|Zippo}}

== Wikipedia's techniques on trolls ==

Wikipedia usually reverts banned troll's comments and semi-protects pages. It works better. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 10:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:It works for their situation. We have to make our own decisions and see how they work out. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

== From Buska ==

Hi and thanks for the welcome! I tried creating my own page as well. I really need to study the Wiki format a bit more however ^^ {{unsigned|Buska}}

== RE:Page name correction ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks for the move, I will try not to make mistakes like that in the future - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:No worries. We make them too, sometimes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey GreenReaper, I was wondering if you could perform another page name edit, could you add an "s" to my Remalon page turning it into "Remalons" (since there are five characters in that page), I would really appreciate it, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Once again, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners main page fixing ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to drop questions on a regular basis but I was wondering if you might know or see a way to modify or re-arrange the list of groups in the Extinctioner's main page, to some how make it appear more neat, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 18:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== I have readed that you use Openbsd to host the wiki ==

Hello Greenreaper, thanks for your work on this Furry Wiki, I am trying to install mediawiki on openbsd, but can not login on mediawiki, can you help me? after i have logged in sucessfully, then i try to use the preferences page and it say that i am not logged in

thanks in advance. {{unsigned|Aureliof}}

:I'm afraid I don't really have any idea why that is not working for you, other than that possibly you do not have sessions or cookies setup properly in your browser or web server. I do not administrate the server side of WikiFur, and so I know little of the details of hosting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== DAMN YOU!!! ==

You ALLWAYS seem to be around to delete my...um...helpful changes no matter what time and what wiki I'm hitting :(

WHY?????????????????? {{unsigned|88.106.208.18}}

:Because I'm everywhere - I'm like the wind . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== That was odd ==

I see that earlier today you blocked User:216.224.121.151. It struck me as odd that there have also been a couple of good edits from the very similar address User:216.224.121.141 (knowing that sometimes a vandal who gets blocked will simply switch to a different workstation, which often has a very similar IP; this time, however, that did not appear to be the case).

Then I tried to make a couple of edits, while logged in, and was told that I couldn't because my IP address, 216.224.121.151, has been blocked. I found this really odd, since I was logged in, I have admin privs, and on top of it all, the IP address of the machine I connect from doesn't look anything like that (and just to be sure, I checked with http://www.whatismyip.com/ ). I retried a couple of times, and my edit finally took - not sure what changed, but there you go.

Then finally, I ran nslookup on 216.224.121.151, and it returned ut4.sjc.wikia-inc.com. I tried 216.224.121.141 and it returned cache1.sjc.wikia-inc.com. Curioser and curioser. Is there something funky going on at wikia.com that's causing incoming edits to look like they came from their server instead of the actual originating user or IP address? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:It does indeed seem odd. I've also recieved two separate messages about this from other users. Unblocked this for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

:: I got a response from John Q. over on the Wikia mailing list saying that this is fixed/will be fixed shortly. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Hmm. Maybe not quite fixed yet, I had trouble getting that edit to go through... --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the welcome ^^ ==

Hey, thanks for the welcome to WikiFur. This is my first time actually registering for a Wiki community, so it'll be a learning experience, but I'm looking forward to adding what I can, when I can. Oh, question -- how do I reply to things on my Talk page? {{unsigned|IanKeith}}

:Welcome to wiki, then, too. :-) You can reply to others in the way you did just now. You should generally sign your names when on talk pages, though, so that people know who left the message without going to the history. You can use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> for this, or just <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> if you don't want the date. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== timeline tag ==

Hi. I just solve timeline bug and you can use it again --[[User:Inez|Inez]] 10:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you, Inez! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== NO CARRIER ==

Thanks for cleaning up after my messes. :) I'll get the wiki standards hammered through my thick skull eventually! 
-[[User:Furvert|Furv]]

== How to do bot vandal rollbacks ==

In cases of mass vandalism (page blanking and the like) it is acceptable to use the "bot" rollback method. To do this, go to the user's contribution page by clicking their name or IP address in the userlist, then add &bot=1 to the URL (or ?bot=1 if there is no ? already in the URL). Press enter to reload that URL, and then just open all the rollback links in new tabs. This will give the initial edit a "bot" flag, so that only your revert will be visible in [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll do it that way next time. By the way, when responding to a user talk comment like this, is there a way to have the thread automatically replicated in the other user's talk page? I've always done it by manually copying the response in both places. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
::Not that I know of. Would be nice! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

'twas fun playing with you furries. --[[User:149.9.0.27|149.9.0.27]] 19:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC) =)

== more vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaperm, were getting vandalized including the front page! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
: O NOES VANDALISM @_@ --[[User:85.214.66.61|85.214.66.61]] 14:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WERE UNDER ATTACK! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 22:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Chinmyou ==
Thanks for the welcome. X3
[[User:Chinmyou|Chinmyou]] 06:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners Wikipedia page deletion threat again ==

Hey GreenReaper, Sorry to constantly bother you but I just saw on the talk page of the Wikipedia.org Extinctioners page that it will be coming under a deletion threat within several days claiming wikifur IS NOT a reliable source (yeah right), here is the link to the page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Extinctioners - I hope it will not be removed, I don't understand it, they have pages for other furry comics but they seem the think this one is not worthy but if you think its not worth fighting over, I will understand, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, WikiFur ''isn't'' a reliable source, at least not in Wikipedia's terms. Someone could come by and change anything at any time. Articles are not guaranteed to be peer-reviewed - indeed, there is no particularly certainty that information on WikiFur has been checked by anyone. Contributions are, in many cases, anonymous. If you want to have an article at Wikipedia, you need to give proper references to the primary sources (the comics themselves), or to secondary sources that have been published in some kind of guaranteed editorially-reviewed medium, like a comic review in a published [[fanzine]] (or better).

:Consider: You wrote most of the pages on WikiFur about the comic. Who's to say you weren't making up half of the stuff you wrote? You can see their situation - they can't just rely on your words for its accuracy. It is not that it is a furry comic. It is the entire article is your original creation, and you've not backed it up with links that show the source of the facts that you state. Go look at [[Wikipedia:Samuel Conway|this article]] for an example of what I mean. There are probably worse articles, but that does not excuse the one about ''Extinctioners''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate what you have told me and I finally can see where wikipedia is coming from, I will leave this decision in the hands of those at Wikipedia (since I am unable to try and fight for it to remain again) and just continue with the one here, thanks for your help :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Redirecting articles? ==

I was poking around in the Templates section to see how I could re-direct a link that currently goes nowhere to an article that is relevant. I wanted to link "Ace of Spades" and "Morrigan's War" to the "Empires" article but could not see a way to do it..? Thank you. {{unsigned|Kette' Barona}}

:To do that, go to the pages [[Ace of Spades]] and [[Morrigan's War]] and put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Empires]]</nowiki> in there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== FA and such ==

I just wanted to apologize, again-- though I guess to you directly-- for what I did the other day. I was responding more as damage control to prevent an explosion of drama rather than following the guidelines stipulated. This whole thing, though not directly affecting me, has seemed to've killed my patience and thinking. Thankfully it's cleared up now.

It won't happen again. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 17:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:It's understandable. No worries. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Uploading avatar pic quesion ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to bug you but I have a question, there is a pic I would like to use as my avatar (or fursona if thats what its called), I have gotten the artists permission (no via e-mail), I was just wondering what porceedures I need to do before uploading such a pic, here are the links:
*Shadow-Wolf (artist) - http://shadow-wolf.deviantart.com/
*the picture I want to use - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8577254/?qo=165&q=by%3Ashadow-wolf&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
*and finally the message giving me permission to use this pic - http://my.deviantart.com/notes/1/52363257

I just want to ensure I do not mess up on this matter, I would really appreciate your help with this

:I can't see that note, probably since they're private, but for that sort of thing we're fine with taking people's word for it unless the artist complains. Just make sure to mention the name of the artist in the picture description, and select "fursona" in the dropdown license box when you upload it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:heres the note -

From: *shadow-wolf
Date: Nov 4, 2006, 12:17:03 PM
sure, go for it! Could you credit me in your journal or something, link back to the original picture? It'd be a great plug for me if you could. ^^ Thank you for having the courtasy to ask first

~nymph

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RVDDP2501 said the following:

Hi Shadow Wolf, I'm RVDDP2501, listen, I was wondering if I could get your permission to use your Venom Pic as my avatar, I really like it and I'm a huge Venom fan, I just wanted to ask your permission first, thanks

P.S. I'm the Extinctioners wikifur page creator

and finally (forgive my ignorence) what exactly is the drop box your refering to? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

wait... I think I've found what your talking about - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== Other-Language Wikis ==

We've talked before about a possible Swedish-language furry wiki. It is likely that I will find myself with a good chunk of free time (or at least that what free time I have won't be eaten up by pesky things like take-home schoolwork) in a month or so - would it still be of interest that I go ahead and request the wiki to be made? (Last we discussed it on LJ, I kind of got heaped with massive amounts of Stuff soon afterwards, unfortunately.) I could probably get [[Ricadonna]] to link it from the [[SveaFur]] homepage as well, so that there'd be at least a few contributors more or less guaranteed. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:Someone needs to learn to think before she talks. I also meant to ask if you have a preference for a Wikia-hosted wiki (would it help with organization, for instance?) or if it could be privately hosted for all you care? I know the host I plan on moving to makes it ridiculously simple to install a wiki, so if it's all the same to you that might be a better route, as that also eliminates the ads? I'm just disorganized today, sorry. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 15:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::I'd still be very interested in seeing more furry wikis in different languages. As the one who intends to do the work to found the wiki, it's up to you to decide where it should be. :-) I think Wikia is a good choice for those who don't want to be dealing with server-side issues or costs. If you believe that the technical ability to start and maintain the wiki software is available (whether you or they can provide it), and if you are sure that the hosting will be maintained, then there's no problem with hosting it anywhere. For various reasons, I felt it was suitable for the English language furry wiki to be here, but it doesn't mean others have to. We can link back and forth wherever you are. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I talked to my boyfriend, whom I will be sharing the bandwidth with, and unless I magically get an insane permanent-ish workload, it sounds as though I'll privately host the wiki when we get set up at the new host. Would put it somewhere around early December, which suits me fine as that puts it past most of my current deadlines. --[[User:Quotingmungo|quoting_mungo]] 17:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

== More All Fur Fun stuff! ==

Hi GreenReaper! All Fur Fun (the new furry convention) has a new website up and running. It's already linked, but I was hoping someone could edit the convention's entry to show that we're a bit more organized now, hehe! I'd do it myself, but I tend to do Very Wrong Things when I try to edit wiki pages, so I'd rather have someone with experience do it. ;D

Thanks in advance! :D

--[[User:Teeka|Teeka]] 02:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

:Did it last night, but forgot to note that here. If I've missed anything, or if you develop more details over time, do feel free to add it in. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the offer ==

Thanks for the offer, and the cleanup of my page. If it would be at all possible, would you please make my page more wiki friendly? I'm not the best wiki editor. Much Thanks in advance. -- [[Jaie_Davis]]

== RVDDP2501 character name change request ==

Hey GreenReaper, how are you doing, listen, I'm sorry to ask you to do this for me yet again but I need two character's names changed, the characters [[Slash]] and [[Short]], I need the last name WhiteEye added to the both of them so they would be e.g. Slash WhiteEye, thanks, I would really appreciate your help with this - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 17:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It was the least I could do to honor the memory of a fine person and a dedicated Furry (He was a Cheetah because he had freckles...lol).

I know all of you furries who knew him must miss him terribly.

I know I still find myself thinking of David from time to time and wish his life had not been taken away so violently and suddenly.

David's death was followed the week after by my Mother's death and the week after that my Grandma passed.

Three loved ones in three weeks.....you never know when they are gonna go...so make sure they know how much you love them...while they are here.

I am not a Furry, but, your members are really great people. Keep the fur flying!

== Nice job on the Did You Know section... ==

I just wanted to say, nice job on it. I never knew that CSI or any sutch show even '''knew''' about the fandom, let alone made episodes with dramatically skewed ideas. (Yiffing parties! :) hmm... whered they hear of those? I'd REALLY like to know... :b ) I wonder, I think theres an episode of law and order with furr... also, nice for ptting it on the front page. [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:Glad you like it! We should really update it more frequently. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::Hey, I'd be happy to fill it in for you or do something to help if you gave me some material or something. :) [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]
:::Feel free to have a look through [[Special:Newpages]] to find some interesting tidbits, then [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know&action=edit replace the current text] and add your new stuff to the [[WikiFur:Did you know?|archive page]]. There are other suggestions for ways to help on the [[WikiFur:Community Central|Community Central]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

== Wikifur page problem ==

Hey GreenReaper, I don't know if this is a problem caused by my computer, but recently the pages on wikifur seem a little out of pleace, all the user access links (contributions, watch list, etc.) are covered up by the page I'm looking at plust the page options (discussion, edit, etc.) are also covering up the pages name, the only thing I have done is update my internet explorer to 7.0, is this in fact a problem with my computer or is it something that is wrong with wikifur, please let me know, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:This appears to be a problem with Wikia - they have changed the CSS in a way that is incompatible with IE7. I've sent them a little note about this, hopefully it will be fixed within a day or so. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, let me know when this has been fixed cause I reverted back to the previous version of IE since the problem was starting to annoy me :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Kirru sized.png ==

Hello GreenReaper,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Kirru sized.png]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 01:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== My Wikifur page ==

Hey, thanks for the help, I'm kinda new to this stuff ^.^

Little question tho, my page is also in the 'hybrid' catagory... Shouldn't be, since I'm 100% pure fox. How can I change that? [[User:Darkfoxx|Darkfoxx]] 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

: I took care of that for you [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 15:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:: Thanks, Simba. Darkfoxx: The categories an article is in are defined by the <nowiki>[[Category:]]</nowiki> tags, usually at the bottom of the page. Remove them, and it removes an article from the category. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== WikiFur Central/Header ==

It appears that since your latest edits to [[Template:WikiFur Central/Header]], it is now covering up the [[Template:Newsbar]], at least when I view it under Firefox. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:Eh, never mind. Looks like you fixed it. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::''Interested users should see [[Talk:WikiFur Furry Central#Featured article length]] for more details.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Species ==

Is it okay to change species? cause i don't think a wolf fits me well . . . [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:it's fine, but changing your'e account name here? that's a thing... [[User:CchristianTehWazzit|cchristian]]

::Nobody's going to stop you doing either, though if you change your name, let me know what it is and I can move the appropriate pages over so that the history is retained, rather than just copying and pasting it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I guess i would want my new name to be Skunk-Raccoon. [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 03:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Not going for something a little more . . . original? The danger of such names is that you might change over time, and also other people tend to do the same thing (see [[Tigerwolf]]). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Original? Well . . . i'll try, uhm . . . could it taken from a band name or something? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 15:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::It's up to you. I just want to help try and avoid name clashes in the future. The advantage of making up a name that nobody else has is that . . . well, nobody else has it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I think i came up with my name . . . "Basic Bassist". It's not the coolest, but, it works, i guess :) [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Cool. Let me know when you're sure, and if you want me to move the pages about you to a new location (perhaps after you register that as a nickname here). [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::So, i just register that name, and that's it? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, and tell me here. '''*grin*''' [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Huh? [[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::"I wouldn't want to move your user page until you've registered the name, so tell me here once you have." [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

==Greetings==
Hello, thanks for the welcome! I've removed some unnecessary personal info from a vandal's userpage, since no one here has checkuser it would be of no benefit to them. [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Jewbo_Wales&oldid=104070 Here] is the version with the IP info on it, in case you need to request a checkuser with the staff. ^_^ [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T04:42:02Z

Redfur: That is incorrect, it's a joke. (After all, they wouldn't be "closet" furries if they listed themselves on such a high-traffic site, would they?)

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to his IP from Wikipedia. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occurred at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales]</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=]</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-12-06T04:19:05Z

Redfur: /* ED Trolls */ - how dare you

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Remove that stupid site! ==

This is way out of control about that stupid site, there all lies. REALLY LIES, NOT TRUE, MAKING FUN WITH ALL OUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY! I want that remove right now!

--[[User:Andres Chung, Jr.|Dragon-morph]] 20:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

: Can you be more specific about what parts of that site are untrue? Even if there are lies on there, that does not mean that we should not have an article about them.

: As for making fun of others, I would like to remind you that the participants of that site have the same rights to free speech that the rest of us do. If you do not like their speech, you are free to exercise your own rights to free speech and disagree with them. (or even call them names back, if it makes you feel any better) But that is not necessarily any justification of censoring any mention of them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

:I read the ED article on you and I saw in one of their claims regarding your language skills, they cite edit diffs from Wikifur as proof so their site is not 100% untrue. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, I read your comment in my RSS reader and I thought that [[Giza]] had an ED article. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 02:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Sadly, I am lulz-impaired. I do have [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Dmuth an account] there, though. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== ED Trolls ==

Jeez the article is being rewritten by ED trolls. I noticed how they hate to have mention the fact that most of ED's images are gay porn. Hmmm... What would MONGO do if he were here now? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
*He would ban dozens of productive contributors for no reason. Is that what you want to happen here? What trolling has occurred? It seems our edits are accurate to me. [[User:Redfur|Redfur]] 04:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopædia Dramatica

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Redfur: /* Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur */ - this hardly seems necessary, just mention the link from Wikipedia. Also, spelling (Did you know FIrefox 2.0 has a spellchecker for forms like the edit box?

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to his IP from Wikipedia. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occurred at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales]</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>[http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=]</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T02:48:06Z

Redfur: SkippFox, you fail, I'll have to punish you

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[[Image:EDLogo.png|frame|right|Encyclopedia Dramatica Logo]]
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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Several months afterward, the similar project [[:c:w:Uncyclopedia]] was founded by different people. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to 12.169.174.250, which is from John Day, Oregon, which Blu Aardvark states is his location on <nowiki>http://nextphaze.net</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://phazecomputing.net</nowiki> -- these two websites he owns also reference who he is and connect his online and offline identities. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===
Similar vandalism has occured at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''. <ref><nowiki>http://judaism.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jewbo_Wales</nowiki></ref> <ref><nowiki>http://judaism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T02:42:18Z

Redfur: this was supposed to say Wikia, not Wiki, but if you still want to revert go ahead

{{LinkingSupporter}}
[[Image:EDLogo.png|frame|right|Encyclopedia Dramatica Logo]]
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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Several months afterward, the similar project [[:c:w:Uncyclopedia]] was founded by different people. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to 12.169.174.250, which is from John Day, Oregon, which Blu Aardvark states is his location on <nowiki>http://nextphaze.net</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://phazecomputing.net</nowiki> -- these two websites he owns also reference who he is and connect his online and offline identities. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wikia wikis===

{{Unreferenced-section}}

Similar vandalism has occured at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales, replacing articles with the template. At one point, an article '''Jews''', containing anti-semitic commentary was created and moved to the space '''Gas chamber'''.

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T02:29:02Z

Redfur: section to split off material unrelated to WIkifur

{{LinkingSupporter}}
[[Image:EDLogo.png|frame|right|Encyclopedia Dramatica Logo]]
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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Several months afterward, the similar project [[:c:w:Uncyclopedia]] was founded by different people. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to 12.169.174.250, which is from John Day, Oregon, which Blu Aardvark states is his location on <nowiki>http://nextphaze.net</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://phazecomputing.net</nowiki> -- these two websites he owns also reference who he is and connect his online and offline identities. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

===Other Wiki wikis===
WikiFur is not the only victim - similar vandalism has occured at other wikis, such as at [[wikia:Judaism|Judaism]]. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine Template:Mine] was used by JewboWales. There was also a shenanigan where the article ''Jews'' was created and moved to the space ''Gas chamber''. The content of the article was, "JEWS DID WTC!"

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

2006-12-06T02:12:19Z

Redfur: No, this is false. It's also a poor tactic for attacking a group - implying an undesirable group is full of closeted homosexuals never works

{{LinkingSupporter}}
[[Image:EDLogo.png|frame|right|Encyclopedia Dramatica Logo]]
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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelled '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Several months afterward, the similar project [[:c:w:Uncyclopedia]] was founded by different people. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. The contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about [[furries]] is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the [[furry fandom]] and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize other members of the fandom, particularly ones who they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

[[GreenReaper]], founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this with the statement; "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper vandalised the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

many of the images on the website are not general use, but instead, copyrighted images to which the owners did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the stolen images are used only for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they may also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however, claims that it will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting (like a prisoner abuse photo from Abu-Gehreb), to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces. and administrators will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to 12.169.174.250, which is from John Day, Oregon, which Blu Aardvark states is his location on <nowiki>http://nextphaze.net</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://phazecomputing.net</nowiki> -- these two websites he owns also reference who he is and connect his online and offline identities. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

WikiFur is not the only victim, similar vandalism has occured at other wikis, at Judaism, Template:mine was used by JewboWales, there was also a shenanigan where the article ''Jews'' was created and moved to the space; ''gas chamber'', the content being, "JEWS DID WTC!"

== References ==
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[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Encyclopædia Dramatica

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'''Encyclopædia Dramatica''' (also known as '''ED''', sometimes mistakenly called '''Encyclopedia Discordia''' or misspelt '''Encyclopedia Dramatica''') is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wikis]] and wiki communities run by [[Girlvinyl]] and several other volunteer administrators.

* '''Address''': <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/</nowiki>
* '''Founder''': Girlvinyl
* '''Current Owner''': Joseph Evers
* '''Administrators''': Weev
* '''Ran from/to''': December 2004 - present

==History==

Encyclopædia Dramatica was founded as "a 'funny' version of Wikipedia" after a vanity page of a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]] named [[Wikipedia:User:Jameth|Jameth]] was deleted. Several months afterward, the similar project [[Uncyclopedia]] was founded by different people. Jameth used to be an administrator on the site <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AJameth</nowiki></ref>

==Types of content==

Encyclopedia Dramatica has been compared to a tabloid. Its articles are about drama, usually internet-related. It also adds humor. The site does have a policy against revealing real names or personal information of those it satirizes, unless the individual is a well-known by their real name. <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Basic_Rules</nowiki></ref> The site includes drama and satire of many types.

The site has a large amount of pornography, particularly shock images. While a few are female, such as eighty year old women naked, most of these are male or gay porn variety; the contributors also like to use a template that makes the text into a rainbow.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and furry==

Encyclopædia Dramatica is perhaps best known among furs for when a person hacked into [[FurAffinity]] and posted the results on ED, causing that site's shutdown.

The site's material about furries is usually the worst of the furries and also includes inaccuracies. Some consider its content [[fursecution]]. However, most of its users aren't [[anti-furry]] and ED claims it only makes broad generalizations of the furry fandom and portraits all furries as sexual deviants because it is, according to ED, far more humoring and interesting to read about something scandalous and shocking, comparing the site to a tabloid. Furries in general are welcome as long as they follow the site's policies and refrain from vandalizing the wiki.<ref><nowiki>http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Furry/Welcome</nowiki></ref>

Besides criticizing the fandom in general, some furries use it to criticize members of their fandom that they feel make furries look bad.

==FurAffinity==

In August of 2005, [[FurAffinity]] was the target of a prolonged hacking attempt against its servers. The intruders took over administrator accounts, used them to post anti-semitic messages in the administration message space (thus putting these messages on the top of every page of FA), and then taunted the community by posting passwords to the FurAffinity [[LiveJournal]]. Later, a complete list of users and their passwords was posted on Encyclopædia Dramatica; it has since been deleted.

==[[GreenReaper]]==

GreenReaper, founder of [[WikiFur]], has contributed to ED's WikiFur article <ref><nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur</nowiki></ref>. He justifies this on the basis of "The only bad publicity is no publicity!", although particularly in reference to [[Something Awful]] (which brought major traffic and many contributors to the site). His edits have since been partially reverted[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&diff=1996998598&oldid=1996995409].

When a section satirizing WikiFur's IRC channel was drawn up by Thedreadedkettle, GreenReaper committed vandalism to the article, accusing ED editors of being recognizable by their [[Wikipedia:Antisemitism|anti-semitism]]. His edits were reverted by Thedreadedkettle. [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=WikiFur&curid=8298&diff=1997057939&oldid=1997057938]

==Image legality==

The website includes mostly images were are not free--meaning copyrighted images where the owner did not release rights. The images may count for fair use because it is a parody and satire site. Sometimes the unfree images are purely for people's user pages, which does not count for fair use. Because the website is in the united states, they also violate the communications decency act (which may be ruled unconstitutional at this time) and a recent law requiring websites to have proven through meeting their naked models firsthand that the models are in fact over 18 (this law shut a number of pornographic websites down). The website however will not allow photos of people under the age of 18.

The sites images range from ordinary (like a girl or a cat), to humorous (like pictures poking fun at George W. Bush), to insulting, to shock images (such as from shock sites).

==Criticisms of the site==

The most common criticism of Encylopædia Dramatica is that there is little editorial control; the primary forms of control are requiring registration to edit and only allowing administrators to edit articles in certain namespaces.

Some admins will occasionally ban users for being "unfunny".

The text of Encyclopædia Dramatica, unlike most wikis, is not licensed; copyright violations are common, and even encouraged. ED has threatened lawsuits with and has sent [[Wikipedia:Digital Millennium Copyright Act|DMCA]] takedown notices to Uncyclopedia and Wikipedia.

==Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur==

On several occasions since WikiFur began, some members associated with Encyclopædia Dramatica or those using Encyclopædia Dramatica as a means of organization have committed widespread vandalism to the wiki. <ref>[[User:Jewbo Wales]] on Wikifur was checkusered to 12.169.174.250, which is from John Day, Oregon, which Blu Aardvark states is his location on <nowiki>http://nextphaze.net</nowiki> and <nowiki>http://phazecomputing.net</nowiki> -- these two websites he owns also reference who he is and connect his online and offline identities. The user's vandalism also is something typical from Encyclopedia Dramatica and even has a page on their site <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Template:Mine</nowiki>. The template was originally designed by [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Einsidler Einsidler] for the purpose of vandalising [[Wikia]]. Blu Aardvark also has made sock puppets on Wikipedia with the same names <nowiki>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Blu_Aardvark</nowiki>. Blu Aardvark is also an administrator on Encyclopedia Dramatica, as seen here: <nowiki>http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop</nowiki></ref>

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Websites]]