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Talk:Hypnosis

2010-07-27T00:05:54Z

Rahka: /* Article update #2 (March 6, 2010) */

{{merge|Hypnofurs}}

Is this common/furry enough to warrant an article, or should it be a subsection on an article covering [[Hypnofurs]]? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:Since there is the #hypnosis channel on Furnet, I say hypnosis shouldn't be subsection in Hypnofurs article (I assume you are thinking of Hypnofurs website and associated Fur Affinity account). --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 02:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry, its mine, im too rookie, i shouldnt have posted it, please delete it, i might try again when i actually knwo what i am doing --[[User:Hypnosnake|Hypnosnake]] 04:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:For being a rookie you did a pretty decent job of creating the article. In particular I have to give you credit for including sections relating hypnosis to furry fandom. You've already done better than 95% of the rookies we see here.

:Having said that, I'm somewhat on the fence about whether the article is appropriate or not. We'd prefer to see something that indicates there's a furry angle or a synergism between furry and hypnosis that's more than or different from simply putting the two together. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 05:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

: Question: Are #hypnosis and Hypnofurs the same group .. or are they sister groups? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

- Answer: Same Group --[[User:Hypnosnake|Hypnosnake]] 19:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

If you visit http://kainakaa.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=chat&action=display&num=1238093409 you will see a poll taken on a hypnosis-dedicated website. More than 60% of those surveyed referred to themselves as furries. [[Special:Contributions/66.252.45.13|66.252.45.13]] 03:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Article update #1 (November 1 2009) ==

Updating the entry's appropriateness status. Keep or delete?. Vote on '''Merge''' - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think we need the broad definition of hypnosis; merge into Hypnofurs (I'm assuming the Fur Affinity, channel, and .com listed in the External links go together). -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 03:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== Article update #2 (March 6, 2010) ==

Updating the entry's appropriateness status. Keep or delete? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think that to merge this article with the article on the Hypnofurs group would be an inaccurate representation of the hypnosis and furry fandoms, as well as detrimental to these two groups. I am a furry with an interest in hypnosis and I can honestly say I personally avoid Hypnofurs like the plague. The Wikipedia article on "hypnofetishism" already redirects to "erotic hypnosis". These are ultimately different things, although they seem to be easily confused. Hypnofurs has such a lean towards sex in its community that to associate the entire portion of the furry fandom with interests in hypnosis with it is foolish. Ultimately, we must not confuse sexual interest (or lack thereof) with the interest in sex. I know that I am likely in the minority here, but thanks to whoever takes the time to read this. [[User:Rahka|Rahka]] 03:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think the relevant question to ask before merging, is are they the same thing? It seems to me that Hypnofurs is a specific interest group, with a possible leaning towards the erotic uses of hypnosis. This article attempts to address hypnosis in a broader sense, by relating its uses to (for example) help a furry feel the effects of transformation. I would suggest that the lead-in material (which just summarizes the theory of hypnosis) be trimmed to no more than a short paragraph; hypnosis is a common topic in today's culture and does not need more than a very simple introduction (with a link to Wikipedia for more info, perhaps). I'd like to see the latter material (how hypnosis can be used in a furry context) expanded, copyedited, and wikified. I vote against the merge on the grounds that the group and the concept are not the same thing. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 09:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:I do not believe that this should be merged or deleted. Hypnosis as both a character and sexual interest is important in the fandom and, I would say, as big of a deal as [[vore]] or close to it. [[Sarovak]] would be an example of an artist that pulls very heavily on hypnosis as a fetish and main character design. Truthfully, i've seen that hypnosis, for the most part, seems to be attributed to scalies generally and snakes specifically, likely for relation to charmer snakes. Either way, hypnosis most definitely plays a part in the fandom and the article should be written to reflect that. The article, as it is now, can certainly be improved, but it's current lack of cohesion shouldn't mean that it should be deleted, it should mean that we work on improving it. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::To clarify things a little on this topic it seems to me that the relationship between furries, hypnosis, and snakes would likely be a byproduct of Disney's rendition of The Jungle Book. Not only do you have the presence of "feral" (excuse me if this is the incorrect term, but it's a term I've seen used to describe these types of furries before and is what I've grown accustomed to) furries and a hypnotic snake, but you also have imagery of Kaa's hypnosis being put out in a manner that the subconscious could mistake as sexual.
::More to the point, this is another angle that this article could potentially explore if it were not deleted or merged. As stated by Silver and Cody, this article has a lot of relevance to the furry fandom that couldn't properly be explored if it were to simply be merged with an article on hypnofurs. Another possible angle to mention is the relationship between hypnosis and bondage, for what is mind control if not mental bondage? As a hypnosis/mind control fan within the furry fandom, I would gladly help to improve this article, but only if the merge were to be completely cast aside. I'll be keeping an eye on how this evolves and look forward to seeing this resolved. [[User:Rahka|Rahka]] 00:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Cody Denton

2010-07-21T03:24:49Z

Rahka:

{{welcome}}

== Thanks for your help ==
I see that you cleaned up some article stubs I created, and in the process, you showed me a bit about how to properly format things in Wiki style. Please bear with me as I learn. :-) I'm working on expanding those original articles a bit now, and hope to be an active member of the WikiFur community at large.
--[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 09:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:You're welcome. Let us know if we can be of any more assistance. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Stamping out vandalism ==
First, thank you for reverting the vandalism made to one of my articles from an unregistered IP. Though I monitor these articles, you caught it even before I did. Which brings me to a question... right now I'm new to WikiFur, but I support the concept and ideals. I'm also online an insane amount of the time. If I were to want to join the edit patrol at some point in the future, is there a "formal" application process (as there is for wiki admins), or can one just jump in and help? Thanks! --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 08:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hi, Cody. There's no formal process for joining those who patrol the recent edits reverting vandalism. This being a wiki, anyone can edit anything, so if you have the time to spare to occasionally glance at the recent changes list, and feel like reverting any vandal edits, then... go for it! I'm sure everyone here would welcome any effort you can put in to keeping things tidy!--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 17:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:As Higgs said, we appreciate any effort on the part of participants to address vandalism on Wikifur. In a situation such as with the edits to [[Shimo Fox]] by an anonymous IP user, we normally start off by assuming that the IP user may be the person the article is about and may wish to be excluded from Wikifur, and we respond using the Personalexclusion template as a first step. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 09:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, ok. I think what caused me concern was that it was an unexplained blanking, accompanied at the same time by edits to the [[Pawz FM]] page that were not consistent with data posted on the official website (see [[Talk:Pawz FM]]). Realizing that I'm still new to WikiFur, I tried to explain my rationale in the talk pages so as not to appear capricious or arbitrary; but being new, I may not know the best way to do something. :-) In the case of an anonymous IP user, then, you'd leave the page blanked and post a Personalexclusion template to the talk page for that IP? --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 09:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Nevermind, I see what you did, now. It's obviously time for me to get some sleep. Thanks again. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 10:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, reverting both edits was appropriate, so you did fine in that regard. If it's Shimo Fox and he wishes to be excluded, he'll need to contact us by some means where we can be reasonably certain of his identity. Personal exclusion only covers the article about the person and does not extend to other articles on Wikifur that mention them, such as Pawz FM in this case. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:33, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for adding that introduction of yourself to my talk page. I really appreciate the fact that you did that and applaud how you try to make a comment on the talk page of any article you change radically or revert for one reason or another. That's something that I really don't have the diligence to do, so i'm envious of that.

You made a very eloquent point on the [[Talk:Kaffa Wolf|Kaffa Wolf]] talk page and I agree with you. Technically, I wasn't actually disagreeing with what the IP said, but more explaining what personal exclusion meant, since it seemed to me that the IP thought we were just trying to get rid of the page for no real reason or for lack of notability. I was just trying to clarify the meaning.

In truth, I think the article should be kept as well and I agree with your suggestion of "freezing" it in its current state. Perhaps a permanent lock would be in order for cases such as this. Unless the person wanting personal exclusion has any problems with specific information on the page, they cannot really complain if we make it so no one will be able to vandalize it in the future. (Well, they can complain, but we wouldn't listen to them at that point, because they would be acting ridiculous. :P)

Anyways, thanks. You're doing a good job around here. Keep it up. :)

[[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 07:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A point ==

He has [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&curid=35&diff=299613&oldid=299549 a point]. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed. I'm afraid that offense was taken where none was intended. I've posted what I hope was a peaceful reply to explain why I objected. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 18:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you for the support ==
I'd just like to thank you for offering support to my beliefs on the [[hypnosis]] article here. I know that although there are some differences (although ultimately minor) to our reasoning, it is quite comforting to see other furs with an interest in re-drawing some of the lines that the fandom seems to have blurred. [[User:Rahka|Rahka]] 03:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Hypnosis

2010-04-05T03:07:32Z

Rahka: /* Article update #2 (March 6, 2010) */