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'''Note:''' If you need to contact me in real time (ongoing vandalism, etc.), the best way is via the IM usernames listed on [http://www.claws-and-paws.com/personal/contact/ this page]. Also, I can be found on [[FurryMUCK]] as "Giza".

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== Archives of past talk ==
* [[User Talk: Dmuth/Archive1]]
* [[User Talk: Dmuth/Archive2]]

== page name correction ==

Hey Dmuth, RVDDP2501 here, listen I made a mistake of mislabeling a page I made, how do i fix it? - http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Hyesta - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:You tell us, and we move it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

: Just to add to GreenReaper's comment, pages can be "moved", but only administrators have that privilege due to past abuses. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

: ah, I see, I understand, alright, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== rv harassment ==

Hi Giza,

Thanks for reverting [[User:Higgs Raccoon]]. I'd have done it myself, but I've been sitting here scratching my head wondering who Sveemon is and why he would think I was trolling. <shrugs> Oh well...
--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. I haven't a clue what his malfunction is either. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Hey Dmuth, it looks like wikifur is getting vandalized, is there anything I can do? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!!! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Reverting vandalism ==

Hi, I was wondering what the best method to help out with reverting vandalism is. I found [http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2485 this] for Firefox and Greasemonkey, which should help, but I notice you are able to roll back quite a lot of articles very quickly. Is that due to your admin status or is there something that could streamline the process for a regular user like me? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 22:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, us admins have a few extra "powers", such as being able to roll back edits through the wiki. :-) Thanks for the script though, I'll pass that around. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

::Actually that script doesn't quite work as advertised. [http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/mediawikirollbackpagehis_fixed.user.js Here's] a fixed (and tested) version that includes *.wikia.com addresses. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 22:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== polishing up contributions ==

Been referring to the help page on wikifur for some of my basic editing, yet can't quite get that higher standard. Is there a step by step tutorial that would piece it together? No biggie, just want to make my stuff easy to read.

- cowboys of moo mesa
- macskafogo
- dogthanian

:[[Help:Furry Book of Style]] is one starting point, assuming you haven't been there already. Other than that, a good way to get the "feel" for pages would be to click the edit tab on some existing ones and see how things are done. If you watch [[Special:Recentchanges]], you can also click the link labeled "diff" next to some of the cleanups that are done to see what exactly was changed, which may be helpful. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Any subjects not covered yet? ==

Giza, do you know of anything not covered in wikifur yet, or a choir list of subjects that need work? Point me in the right direction please. Happy Halloween. {{unsigned|Broken conspiracy}}

:Actually, if you check out [[Special:Wantedpages]], that will give you a list of articles which have links to them, but haven't been created yet. That's a great starting point of things that need writing.
:Also, there are ''plenty'' of articles that need some form of cleanup or copyediting done on them. Feel free to browse around [[:Category:Cleanup]] and fix up articles that need help. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== 65.93.15.75 ==

What to do about this person's edits to [[Convention]]? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 18:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure yet. I'm kinda hoping that they say something more substantial than, "you people are stealing bandwidth". Personally, I'm all for trying to find some sort of comprimise. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 18:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Duplicated Image ==

Curse my Mediawiki skills ;-P...I created a duplicate image [[:Image:Pawstop2.png|here]]. If you could use your <s>deity</s> admin powers to fix my boo-boo, It'd be greatly appreciated. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 00:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

:Sure. Done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

==Archive problem==

Hey Dmuth, I just created an archive page in my Usertalks page for October but something is wrong, everytime I click on it it wants to be editied instead of viewed, I can't figure out what I'm ding wrong? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 16:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

I was hoping someone would come and clean up Jirris's page :) I tried but I had no idea what i was doing.

lol Thanks :)!!
K {{unsigned|Damaged Girl}}

: No problem. I'm happy to help. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== numbers vandalism ==

You just blocked a user for that...what's the point of it?? e.g. why would you put random number in an article like that? it seems a strange thing to do (not that vandalizing a wiki isn't)...I actually saw that edit and figured it was some wiki markup I didn't know about. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 18:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

:Because it's an ongoing problem that has been reported over on [http://www.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l wikia-l] over the last few months, affecting all wikis. While that IP only vandalized one page, there have been cases where one IP vandalized dozens of pages, so I wanted to err on the side of caution. (Since the vandalize type was part of a larger vandalism problem, we can assume that the individual was NOT acting in good faith.

: You can read more about the problem at [[Wikia:Forum:String_of_numbers_type_vandalism]]. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:: **reads the linked page** Hmmm...some kind of bot looks like. Interesting. Never heard of this before. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 20:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:DSC02082.JPG ==

Hello Dmuth,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:DSC02082.JPG]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 04:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

:Done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 18:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Magic Tom.jpg ==

Hello Dmuth,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Magic Tom.jpg]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image.
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 06:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:Fixed.
:And um, it's not necessary to send me the same form letter twice in a row... A simple, "can you set copyright status on this image?" would suffice. :-) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Ok. Not intended to bother you. Just easier to use the form letter than come up with a custom message each time.
::Also, the GFDL requires giving attribution to the creator. If you are the creator(which I gather is the case here), then you should specify that so others can give you the attribution. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 15:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Noted and done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== userpage vandalism ==

Thanks for the assist there! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

: No problem. This seems to be [[WikiFur:Tiscali.co.uk vandal|a certain vandal]] who has caused us problems before. Looks like another complaint to his ISP might be in order. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the help on [[swifthorn]]. I am defiantly new to the whole wiki thing. What else do I need to do? {{unsigned|Kitsubaka}}

: Looking at the article right now, the main concern is if it is a Primary Source or not. That is, is the information listed there available elsewhere on the web? In keeping with the encyclopedic nature of the Wiki, we generally ask that all articles summarize information that exists elsewhere (kinda like a real life encyclopedia) and that WikiFur not be used to publish original content.
: That being said, we're not asking for a full blown website to be created or anything like that. A simple blog entry on [[LiveJournal]] or whereever that contains what is in the article thus far would be sufficient. (and we can cite it in the article)
: If you have any questions, please let me know, thanks! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

: Of course! Here is a [http://kitsu-baka.deviantart.com/journal/6052299/ journal entry]. Thank you. =]--[[User:Kitsubaka|Kitsu]] 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:: Works for me! Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:Your welcome, and thank you for guiding me along. X3--[[User:Kitsubaka|Kitsu]] 00:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:More Fursuit Parade.jpg ==

[[:Image:More Fursuit Parade.jpg]] needs a copyright tag. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 03:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

: Done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Here's the reason for the accusation . . . ==

In [[WikiFur:IRC]] last night: "[23:30] <Dongbee> I wanna kill one million jews." (their page on it is surprisingly free of [[Wikipedia:Nazi concentration camp badges|badges]]). [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Block of 71.98.64.0/18 ==

Are you sure about blocking that entire subnet? We've only had two vandlism incidents from there over the last 24 hours. I'm concerned that we might exclude potential contributors from that block. May I propose that we unblock that block and reblock only if we keep having incidents of vandalism from there? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:If you wish. It's only 16384 addresses, though - I doubt we have contributors and trolls in that same block. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== EarthLion revert ==

Why did you revert the edits on the [[EarthLion]] article? Doesn't look like vandalism to me. If it's something like the person not wanting that information out there, perhaps this should be documented on the [[Talk:EarthLion|talk page]]? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 20:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

:It looked to me like a personal attack. Granted, the wording was a little odd. Did I perhaps read it wrong or misunderstand something? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

::I'd read that again if I were you. It's awful subtle for a personal attack. OTOH, it does seem that naming this person's enemies is not what we want. Here's what I'll do: I've got some things to take care of here, but when I get back I will restore the edit minus the enemies part. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 21:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

::: Yes, the naming of names was somewhat troubling to me, but yeah, maybe it wasn't a personal attack.
::: Your suggestion of restoring the edit without the enemies part sounds good to me! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

== Happy christmahannakwanza! ==

Good to see someone (else) is keeping an eye on things, even today. Have a good Christmas! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

:And have a Happy Nude Deer! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

== Duke Otterland IP ==

Should you maybe delete the revision by the IP and put his name where the IP was and not have that IP page? It's sort of a privacy thing I would think after all the stuff that's happened to him. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 16:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

: Even if I were to modify the talk page, it would not remove that IP from the history of edits to that page, so I think the protection would be minimal. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

:: You change, delete and resore all but the revision. Duke's been trolled a lot. I think his IPs made public are bad, unless that wasn't him. Wikipedia admins do it, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=SlimVirgin&page=] and see where it says restored ##. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

== No search hits for user 71.126.19.87's entries ==

None of the 27 engines (even the obscure or foreign ones,) gives one hit on any of these articles. Just FYI [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== RVDDP2501 character name change request ==

Hey Dmuth, listen, I'm really sorry to bug you about this but I couldn't send this message to GreenReaper, something about a spamblocker so I thought I'd send it to you to perhaps relay the message to Greenreaper unless you can do it for me. I was wondering if I could have the page name of the character "Msaka" changed to "Ashen Msaka", I woulkd really appreciate it, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 15:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:Sure thing! Done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks alot :-) how are things going btw? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 17:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dmuth, sorry again but I have yet another page name request, could you change the page name of the Extinctioners character "Satoru" to "Satoru Aka" please, I would really appreciate it, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:Sure thing. It's done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

::thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dmuth, how's it going man, things good? listen, I was wondering if I could ask you of yet another page name change request? I'm wondering if you could change the extinctioner's character "Krystin" to "Krystin Lobo" please? Thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Done!----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 14:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks alot man :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

== Extinctioners page editior ==

Hey Dmuth, listen someone named [[User:Hyenafur]] is adding and uploading pages and unlicenced pics to the extinctioners page, what should I do since these pages involve fan characters and pages with very little info? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

: I see that GreenReaper beat me to it. Oh well. Feel free to let me know if anything other issues come up.. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

::forgive my bothering you with this question but would you have any idea when the Extinctioners main page will be unlocked? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Has the debate been resolved? We only locked because there was a bit of a revert war going on. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::::As far as I can tell it has. Shawn was gracious enough to post a notice on the Extinctioners talk page regarding his standpoint on the issue. While there is no way to tell if its legit, his word would be the final authority on the issue. Karl is currently lurking in the shadows, whining about us in his [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Karl_Kratt&oldid=112423 own WikiFur article] and [http://cadetkratt.deviantart.com/ his deviantART page]. Well, not whining. More as if his feelings are hurt because he feels all his hard work was for naught.
What hasn't been decided on yet is a solution to how to treat fanfiction work for Extinctioners and other various titles.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 00:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok... hmmm... I honestly don't know what more I can do or say in terms of this matter. If a decision is acheived in terms of how fan fiction is treated and/or when the Extinctioners main page is re-opened, please let me know, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

: Okay, I just unprotected the article. We'll see how that works out. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 05:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::Thank you, I will keep an eye on it and if anything similar to before takes place, I will keep you informed, once again, Thank you :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 10:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== This morning's vandalism ==

Holy crap. Thanks for being on the ball with the vandals that came by this morning! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Stick around! I'm not sure they've gone yet... -- [[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Good God almighty, what in the hell is with this vandal, does he think he's Michael Richards (Cosmo Kramer)?! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 16:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== page name question ==

Hey Dmuth, RVDDP2501 here, listen, I just want to get your opinion on something, I created a page for an Extinctioners character named [[Stalker]], my question is that since this characters name is very broad, in your opinion, should the name be either changed to Ethan Stalworth (character's real name) or possibly have the word "(Extinctioners)" placed at the end, let me know what you think, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:Since at this time, we have no name conflict, I don't see a real need for a disambiguation page. If one ever happens, we can just move the current one to "Stalker (Extinctioneers)" at that time. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

::Ok, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== New User Templates ==

Hey. I saw the mass number of user templates and was wondering if you could add some more. :)

Elfwood: http://www.elfwood.com

YNA: http://yna.solfire.com/

Artvark: http://artvark.us/forum/galleryindex.php?sid=6cf0616d3f51a301f7397724769ba87c

Those are the ones I can think of. :)

== Board of Directors vs. convention committee ==

It is my understanding that the [[Board of Directors]] is ''not'' equivalent to the [[convention committee]]. The Board directs the organization over multiple years, and is legally separate from its day-to-day operation. The convention committee is convened by the [[convention chairman]], who is chosen by the board, in a similar manner to the way in which for-profit corporation boards choose a CEO who subsequently hires staff. The chairman directs the convention and organizes the committee, and is ultimately responsible to the board for his actions and those of his staff. Often the only power the board has over the convention is to deny a complete budget or to replace the chairman, except in extraordinary circumstances (the board has [[Wikipedia:fiduciary|fiduciary responsibility]], so they have to [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007#AAE_board_meeting_notes step in if something goes wrong]).

The Board will often include several [[greymuzzle]] members who are not actively involved in running the convention, but are viewed as "sound minds." Now, it may be that [[Anthrocon|''some'' conventions]] regularly have [http://www.anthrocon.org/about board members] who are also active members of the convention committee - more [[Wikipedia:Board of directors#Classification|"executive directors."]] However, that is not necessarily the case. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not only is this not the case in Anthrocon (as you mention), but in Anthrocon there is ''no'' "Convention Committee". It is the Board members themselves who are responsible for the day to day operations of the convention.
:(As an aside, our rationale behind this is that it eliminates a lot of politics. I've seen other non-furry conventions run into issues where people on the ConCom end up doing lots of work, only to perceive themselves as being "bossed around" by Board members who aren't doing much of anything. Obviously, that kinda sucks when you're putting in lots of effort, only to have someone else step in and tell you how to do things. Under our system, if you want to be on the Board, you have to do the work. )
:Anyway, perhaps we should expand the Convention Committee article to explain the different leadership types found in different cons. I'm not sure how to approach this though. Your thoughts? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm, interesting! I think probably the best thing to do is to have one article that discusses the different models of [[convention organization]] or [[convention management]]. Alternatively, we could just put it all back into [[convention]], under a "Management" heading. Having separate articles about every little detail just makes it harder to see the whole picture.

::: I'm all for putting this into [[convention]]. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::I also noticed that there is no copy of Anthrocon, Inc.'s bye-laws on the [http://www.anthrocon.org/about about page]. Would it be possible to add that at some point? It seems like it would complement the information already there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::: I think we use stock by-laws, but I'll check with [[UncleKage|Sam]]. We don't have too much "offical" structure, anyway. Our yearly Board Meeting, as required by law, takes about 10 minutes and is held on the Monday following Anthrocon in or around Con Ops.
::: Don't get me startedon what I think of mandatory "weekly meetings" and the like. :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== Another Extinctioners name change request from RVDDP2501 ==

Hey Dmuth, how's it going, listen, I was wondering if you could change the page name of the Extinctioners character, "Radica" to "Radica Procyon", thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for working on the Magfest page ==

Thank you for working on the magfest page on wikipedia.

A friend of mine is an organiser for the event, and I noticed there was not a wikipedia page for it.

Cheers.

Robert Headley {{unsigned|71.114.165.111}}

:No problem, happy to help! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== AnimalCon ==

Hi Giza, can you please restore my article? I found your dismissal of my furmeet as "an attempt to sell videos" rather insulting. I've provided the website FOR the meet (which was dismised) as well as the Long Island Furs website, which had "Animal Con" indexed as a meet earlier this month. The site is maintained by Dr. Sergey "Cubbi" Zubakov.

Maybe you would have been better flagigng it for revision or dividing it into two parts; the "metafiction" aspect of the con as referred to in the films versus the "real life" counterpart as the actual meet, which Umgotts Studios sponsored and filmed at.

Thank you. {{unsigned|Sgatsby}}

: First, I didn't delete your article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] did.
: Second, uou forgot to mention the part wherein you created that very same article some months before, and it too was deleted.
: It seems to me that you are attempting to "alter the data to support your conclusion", so to speak.
: If you want to make stuff up to advertise your videos, I couldn't care less. What we here do care about is you trying to use this Wiki as an advertising vehicle for your videos. That sort of behavior is unacceptable, and it will not be tolerated. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Locking ==

I would like my [[RealDesertFox]] article locked, please. [[User:RDF|RealDesertFox]] 21:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:Sure. I just posted a note on the article's discussion page, asking if anyone has any objections. (Such objections rarely happen) If I don't hear anything back, I'll apply the "excluded" tag and protect the article in a few days. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, this has been done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Invitation: ==

To join my too-slowly-growing group, BowlingFurs. see http://community.livejournal.com/bowling_furs , and once I've got the extra time on my hands again I'll be re-lurking in our IRC channel on irc.furnet.org, too. Plus, if you have other bowling furs you know, tell them about it! :D

== Stacey ==

Hi. I was just looking at some edits you made to [[Stacey]] back in December and was wondering why you rephrased it in a way that focuses on her impersonation of one particular artist (Adele Sessler) when in actuality she has done this sort of thing to dozens of artists. I'd like to rework the statement in question accordingly but wanted to get your take on it first. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:Looking through the edits I made, it looks like the previous version said that she had done this to "hundreds" of artists, a statement which seemed a little over the top (and possibly unsourced) at the time. If you have more stuff to cite (or maybe I just didn't look at the external references close enough), feel free to update the article. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::I'm probably the one who wrote that, based largely upon the information from the "Life and Crimes of" site in the external links. My editorial sense of what to say and how to say it in an encyclopedic article has improved since then. I have pretty reliable information that Stacey has created about two dozen fake accounts on Fur Affinity, some of them under the names of well-known furry artists. "Hundreds" may be hard to validate, but I'd be pretty comfortable saying she has impersonated "dozens" or "numerous" artists and writers. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:::If the info is on the web somewhere (i.e. we can cite it), that's good enough for me! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Feels Like Old Times ==

Heya. First off, thanks for sticking up for me in my absence.

For old time's sake, I read [http://home.kendra.com/mauser/GAFIATE.html Rich Chandler's ham-handed attempt at character defamation] again tonight—specifically the part where he portrays me as favoring "anything goes" policies, and how ''great'' he thinks it is that conventions now control exploitive media crews.

I betcha Rich would shit a purple kitten if he realized [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4?dmode=source I suggested a Media Liaison for furry conventions in 1997.] And who could've predicted ten years later I'd be helping escort them around myself? -=)

See ya in the funny papers,

—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 06:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I want to see a purple kitten. :-( --[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]]

== Images uploaded that should have copyright tags ==

There are some images uploaded by you that should have copyright tags or other attention. I've created a list at [[User:Rat/ImagesNeedLicensesDM]]. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 20:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

:I have fixed the images in question. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== deletions ==

FIRST you delete my Monty Python lines, THEN you delete the image I put as a joke on my user page....

DARNIT, you never let me have ANY fun. :))

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 14:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

:But I didn't, [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&curid=27861&diff=195385&oldid=195382 Higgs Raccoon did].
:The reason why I removed the template was because while I did find it funny, it also caused your user page to show up in [[:Category:Protected pages]], which might cause some confusion.
:Now, if you'd to include an '''image''' that looks like the protected template (like [http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l93/dougmuth/?action=view&current=protected.jpg this one], or just copy and paste in the template code, I say go for it! Neither of those would cause any issues, and be rather amusing. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hop on YIM - I have a bit of an OT problem that's driving me nuts.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 14:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== How about THIS one. :P ==

I know you didn't like the other image I put up...

How does it look now?

[[User:AnthroSamurai]]

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Is there any proof? ==

I happened to notice a rather odd and unsourced statement on the "Mozdoc" article - "attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books" - and would like to see something submitted as proof of this.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've no idea. If it's an unsourced statement, then we should probably remove it from the article and make a note on the talk page. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== IM contact ==

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm trying to contact you on IM but all you fucking do is disappear.

--Mozdoc

If you haven't figured it out yet Mozdoc, it's all a game - they're just out to fuck with you.

And Dougie? Get ready to join the '''KISS MY ASS''' club. ;)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]]

What kind of a response is this? This isn't helping me at all and I don't even know why you're throwing up a link to some other part of this site. Dougie? I don't know anyone by that name. Can you please contact me on some other medium besides here?

--Mozdoc

:No. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Copyright Issues: Usenet posts ==

There is no copyright over posts made over Usenet, actually. Trust me, The Church of Scientology has tried to say otherwise since 1995.[[User:Kupok|Kupok]] 02:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

:Um, I do not believe that is how copyright law works. [http://www.lessig.org/content/articles/works/cyberlessons/lessons/copyr02.html When a work is created, it is copyright by its author], unless they state otherwise. While Usenet posts [http://www.lessig.org/content/articles/works/cyberlessons/lessons/copyr06.html may fall into a grey area], I am quite certain that we cannot arbitrarily apply the GFDL to them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could have a page of mine un-excluded. "Comah" is the page title. I'd greatly appreciate it if this could be done as soon as possible, thanks.

== Magnus Diridian ==

You [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Magnus_Diridian&diff=next&oldid=190488 changed birthyear in Magnus article from 1981 to 1972] but Magnus's LJ says "Birthdate: 1981-02-25". I was wondering where you got the 1972 from. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 23:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

:I just followed up on an email to you. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:09, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Full Control Over MY Page ==

I want full and complete control over my page so that I can be the only one to make any changes to it. And how about quit being a dick and ignoring me on FurryMUCK?

--Mozdoc

User:Mozdoc

2009-08-15T06:19:57Z

Mozdoc: Removing all content from page

User talk:Dmuth

2009-04-04T07:22:13Z

Mozdoc:

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::'''[http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmuth&action=edit&section=new Please click here to leave me a new message.]'''

'''Note:''' If you need to contact me in real time (ongoing vandalism, etc.), the best way is via the IM usernames listed on [http://www.claws-and-paws.com/personal/contact/ this page]. Also, I can be found on [[FurryMUCK]] as "Giza".

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== Archives of past talk ==
* [[User Talk: Dmuth/Archive1]]
* [[User Talk: Dmuth/Archive2]]

== page name correction ==

Hey Dmuth, RVDDP2501 here, listen I made a mistake of mislabeling a page I made, how do i fix it? - http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Hyesta - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

:You tell us, and we move it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

: Just to add to GreenReaper's comment, pages can be "moved", but only administrators have that privilege due to past abuses. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

: ah, I see, I understand, alright, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

== rv harassment ==

Hi Giza,

Thanks for reverting [[User:Higgs Raccoon]]. I'd have done it myself, but I've been sitting here scratching my head wondering who Sveemon is and why he would think I was trolling. <shrugs> Oh well...
--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. I haven't a clue what his malfunction is either. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Hey Dmuth, it looks like wikifur is getting vandalized, is there anything I can do? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!!! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Reverting vandalism ==

Hi, I was wondering what the best method to help out with reverting vandalism is. I found [http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2485 this] for Firefox and Greasemonkey, which should help, but I notice you are able to roll back quite a lot of articles very quickly. Is that due to your admin status or is there something that could streamline the process for a regular user like me? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 22:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, us admins have a few extra "powers", such as being able to roll back edits through the wiki. :-) Thanks for the script though, I'll pass that around. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

::Actually that script doesn't quite work as advertised. [http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/mediawikirollbackpagehis_fixed.user.js Here's] a fixed (and tested) version that includes *.wikia.com addresses. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 22:57, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== polishing up contributions ==

Been referring to the help page on wikifur for some of my basic editing, yet can't quite get that higher standard. Is there a step by step tutorial that would piece it together? No biggie, just want to make my stuff easy to read.

- cowboys of moo mesa
- macskafogo
- dogthanian

:[[Help:Furry Book of Style]] is one starting point, assuming you haven't been there already. Other than that, a good way to get the "feel" for pages would be to click the edit tab on some existing ones and see how things are done. If you watch [[Special:Recentchanges]], you can also click the link labeled "diff" next to some of the cleanups that are done to see what exactly was changed, which may be helpful. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Any subjects not covered yet? ==

Giza, do you know of anything not covered in wikifur yet, or a choir list of subjects that need work? Point me in the right direction please. Happy Halloween. {{unsigned|Broken conspiracy}}

:Actually, if you check out [[Special:Wantedpages]], that will give you a list of articles which have links to them, but haven't been created yet. That's a great starting point of things that need writing.
:Also, there are ''plenty'' of articles that need some form of cleanup or copyediting done on them. Feel free to browse around [[:Category:Cleanup]] and fix up articles that need help. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== 65.93.15.75 ==

What to do about this person's edits to [[Convention]]? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 18:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure yet. I'm kinda hoping that they say something more substantial than, "you people are stealing bandwidth". Personally, I'm all for trying to find some sort of comprimise. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 18:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Duplicated Image ==

Curse my Mediawiki skills ;-P...I created a duplicate image [[:Image:Pawstop2.png|here]]. If you could use your <s>deity</s> admin powers to fix my boo-boo, It'd be greatly appreciated. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 00:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

:Sure. Done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

==Archive problem==

Hey Dmuth, I just created an archive page in my Usertalks page for October but something is wrong, everytime I click on it it wants to be editied instead of viewed, I can't figure out what I'm ding wrong? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 16:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

I was hoping someone would come and clean up Jirris's page :) I tried but I had no idea what i was doing.

lol Thanks :)!!
K {{unsigned|Damaged Girl}}

: No problem. I'm happy to help. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== numbers vandalism ==

You just blocked a user for that...what's the point of it?? e.g. why would you put random number in an article like that? it seems a strange thing to do (not that vandalizing a wiki isn't)...I actually saw that edit and figured it was some wiki markup I didn't know about. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 18:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

:Because it's an ongoing problem that has been reported over on [http://www.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l wikia-l] over the last few months, affecting all wikis. While that IP only vandalized one page, there have been cases where one IP vandalized dozens of pages, so I wanted to err on the side of caution. (Since the vandalize type was part of a larger vandalism problem, we can assume that the individual was NOT acting in good faith.

: You can read more about the problem at [[Wikia:Forum:String_of_numbers_type_vandalism]]. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:: **reads the linked page** Hmmm...some kind of bot looks like. Interesting. Never heard of this before. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 20:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:DSC02082.JPG ==

Hello Dmuth,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:DSC02082.JPG]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 04:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

:Done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 18:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:Magic Tom.jpg ==

Hello Dmuth,

This is in regards to ''[[:Image:Magic Tom.jpg]]''. It has not been tagged with a copyright status. This can be a complicated area, so I can try to help if you need any. The Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:WP:IUP|Image use policy]] may give some background, but it isn't policy here.

To deal with this image, there are a few choices:

* If you are the copyright holder, release it under a free license, for example:
** [[Wikipedia:Public domain|Public domain]] <nowiki>{{PDImage}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution-ShareAlike <nowiki>{{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}</nowiki>
** [[Wikipedia:GFDL|GFDL]] <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki>
* If you are asserting that this image is usable under fair use, add an appropriate fair use tag. A very basic summary is that fair use is used for commentary, criticism and review on the image when no free image could be used instead. Some fair use tags are:
** Logos: <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki>
** Covers: <nowiki>{{Cover}}</nowiki>
** Comic panels: <nowiki>{{Comic-panel}}</nowiki>
* If the image is already under a free license, provide information on the license, and tag the image if you can.
* If you would like the image to be deleted, ask any [[WikiFur:Administrators|administrator]]

To see a list of current copyright tags available on WikiFur, see [[:Category:Image copyright tags]]
If the copyright status is not resolved, the image may be deleted.

Unless you have a question for me specifically, I'd prefer responses on the page for the image.
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 06:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:Fixed.
:And um, it's not necessary to send me the same form letter twice in a row... A simple, "can you set copyright status on this image?" would suffice. :-) --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Ok. Not intended to bother you. Just easier to use the form letter than come up with a custom message each time.
::Also, the GFDL requires giving attribution to the creator. If you are the creator(which I gather is the case here), then you should specify that so others can give you the attribution. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 15:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::: Noted and done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== userpage vandalism ==

Thanks for the assist there! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

: No problem. This seems to be [[WikiFur:Tiscali.co.uk vandal|a certain vandal]] who has caused us problems before. Looks like another complaint to his ISP might be in order. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the help on [[swifthorn]]. I am defiantly new to the whole wiki thing. What else do I need to do? {{unsigned|Kitsubaka}}

: Looking at the article right now, the main concern is if it is a Primary Source or not. That is, is the information listed there available elsewhere on the web? In keeping with the encyclopedic nature of the Wiki, we generally ask that all articles summarize information that exists elsewhere (kinda like a real life encyclopedia) and that WikiFur not be used to publish original content.
: That being said, we're not asking for a full blown website to be created or anything like that. A simple blog entry on [[LiveJournal]] or whereever that contains what is in the article thus far would be sufficient. (and we can cite it in the article)
: If you have any questions, please let me know, thanks! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

: Of course! Here is a [http://kitsu-baka.deviantart.com/journal/6052299/ journal entry]. Thank you. =]--[[User:Kitsubaka|Kitsu]] 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:: Works for me! Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:Your welcome, and thank you for guiding me along. X3--[[User:Kitsubaka|Kitsu]] 00:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Image:More Fursuit Parade.jpg ==

[[:Image:More Fursuit Parade.jpg]] needs a copyright tag. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 03:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

: Done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Here's the reason for the accusation . . . ==

In [[WikiFur:IRC]] last night: "[23:30] <Dongbee> I wanna kill one million jews." (their page on it is surprisingly free of [[Wikipedia:Nazi concentration camp badges|badges]]). [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Block of 71.98.64.0/18 ==

Are you sure about blocking that entire subnet? We've only had two vandlism incidents from there over the last 24 hours. I'm concerned that we might exclude potential contributors from that block. May I propose that we unblock that block and reblock only if we keep having incidents of vandalism from there? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
:If you wish. It's only 16384 addresses, though - I doubt we have contributors and trolls in that same block. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== EarthLion revert ==

Why did you revert the edits on the [[EarthLion]] article? Doesn't look like vandalism to me. If it's something like the person not wanting that information out there, perhaps this should be documented on the [[Talk:EarthLion|talk page]]? [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 20:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

:It looked to me like a personal attack. Granted, the wording was a little odd. Did I perhaps read it wrong or misunderstand something? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

::I'd read that again if I were you. It's awful subtle for a personal attack. OTOH, it does seem that naming this person's enemies is not what we want. Here's what I'll do: I've got some things to take care of here, but when I get back I will restore the edit minus the enemies part. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 21:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

::: Yes, the naming of names was somewhat troubling to me, but yeah, maybe it wasn't a personal attack.
::: Your suggestion of restoring the edit without the enemies part sounds good to me! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

== Happy christmahannakwanza! ==

Good to see someone (else) is keeping an eye on things, even today. Have a good Christmas! [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 17:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

:And have a Happy Nude Deer! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

== Duke Otterland IP ==

Should you maybe delete the revision by the IP and put his name where the IP was and not have that IP page? It's sort of a privacy thing I would think after all the stuff that's happened to him. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 16:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

: Even if I were to modify the talk page, it would not remove that IP from the history of edits to that page, so I think the protection would be minimal. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

:: You change, delete and resore all but the revision. Duke's been trolled a lot. I think his IPs made public are bad, unless that wasn't him. Wikipedia admins do it, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=SlimVirgin&page=] and see where it says restored ##. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 17:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

== No search hits for user 71.126.19.87's entries ==

None of the 27 engines (even the obscure or foreign ones,) gives one hit on any of these articles. Just FYI [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== RVDDP2501 character name change request ==

Hey Dmuth, listen, I'm really sorry to bug you about this but I couldn't send this message to GreenReaper, something about a spamblocker so I thought I'd send it to you to perhaps relay the message to Greenreaper unless you can do it for me. I was wondering if I could have the page name of the character "Msaka" changed to "Ashen Msaka", I woulkd really appreciate it, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 15:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:Sure thing! Done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks alot :-) how are things going btw? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 17:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dmuth, sorry again but I have yet another page name request, could you change the page name of the Extinctioners character "Satoru" to "Satoru Aka" please, I would really appreciate it, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:Sure thing. It's done. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

::thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 00:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dmuth, how's it going man, things good? listen, I was wondering if I could ask you of yet another page name change request? I'm wondering if you could change the extinctioner's character "Krystin" to "Krystin Lobo" please? Thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:Done!----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 14:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks alot man :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 14:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

== Extinctioners page editior ==

Hey Dmuth, listen someone named [[User:Hyenafur]] is adding and uploading pages and unlicenced pics to the extinctioners page, what should I do since these pages involve fan characters and pages with very little info? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

: I see that GreenReaper beat me to it. Oh well. Feel free to let me know if anything other issues come up.. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

::forgive my bothering you with this question but would you have any idea when the Extinctioners main page will be unlocked? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

::: Has the debate been resolved? We only locked because there was a bit of a revert war going on. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 00:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::::As far as I can tell it has. Shawn was gracious enough to post a notice on the Extinctioners talk page regarding his standpoint on the issue. While there is no way to tell if its legit, his word would be the final authority on the issue. Karl is currently lurking in the shadows, whining about us in his [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Karl_Kratt&oldid=112423 own WikiFur article] and [http://cadetkratt.deviantart.com/ his deviantART page]. Well, not whining. More as if his feelings are hurt because he feels all his hard work was for naught.
What hasn't been decided on yet is a solution to how to treat fanfiction work for Extinctioners and other various titles.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 00:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok... hmmm... I honestly don't know what more I can do or say in terms of this matter. If a decision is acheived in terms of how fan fiction is treated and/or when the Extinctioners main page is re-opened, please let me know, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

: Okay, I just unprotected the article. We'll see how that works out. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 05:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::Thank you, I will keep an eye on it and if anything similar to before takes place, I will keep you informed, once again, Thank you :-) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 10:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== This morning's vandalism ==

Holy crap. Thanks for being on the ball with the vandals that came by this morning! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Stick around! I'm not sure they've gone yet... -- [[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Good God almighty, what in the hell is with this vandal, does he think he's Michael Richards (Cosmo Kramer)?! - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 16:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== page name question ==

Hey Dmuth, RVDDP2501 here, listen, I just want to get your opinion on something, I created a page for an Extinctioners character named [[Stalker]], my question is that since this characters name is very broad, in your opinion, should the name be either changed to Ethan Stalworth (character's real name) or possibly have the word "(Extinctioners)" placed at the end, let me know what you think, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:Since at this time, we have no name conflict, I don't see a real need for a disambiguation page. If one ever happens, we can just move the current one to "Stalker (Extinctioneers)" at that time. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

::Ok, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 23:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== New User Templates ==

Hey. I saw the mass number of user templates and was wondering if you could add some more. :)

Elfwood: http://www.elfwood.com

YNA: http://yna.solfire.com/

Artvark: http://artvark.us/forum/galleryindex.php?sid=6cf0616d3f51a301f7397724769ba87c

Those are the ones I can think of. :)

== Board of Directors vs. convention committee ==

It is my understanding that the [[Board of Directors]] is ''not'' equivalent to the [[convention committee]]. The Board directs the organization over multiple years, and is legally separate from its day-to-day operation. The convention committee is convened by the [[convention chairman]], who is chosen by the board, in a similar manner to the way in which for-profit corporation boards choose a CEO who subsequently hires staff. The chairman directs the convention and organizes the committee, and is ultimately responsible to the board for his actions and those of his staff. Often the only power the board has over the convention is to deny a complete budget or to replace the chairman, except in extraordinary circumstances (the board has [[Wikipedia:fiduciary|fiduciary responsibility]], so they have to [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007#AAE_board_meeting_notes step in if something goes wrong]).

The Board will often include several [[greymuzzle]] members who are not actively involved in running the convention, but are viewed as "sound minds." Now, it may be that [[Anthrocon|''some'' conventions]] regularly have [http://www.anthrocon.org/about board members] who are also active members of the convention committee - more [[Wikipedia:Board of directors#Classification|"executive directors."]] However, that is not necessarily the case. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

: Not only is this not the case in Anthrocon (as you mention), but in Anthrocon there is ''no'' "Convention Committee". It is the Board members themselves who are responsible for the day to day operations of the convention.
:(As an aside, our rationale behind this is that it eliminates a lot of politics. I've seen other non-furry conventions run into issues where people on the ConCom end up doing lots of work, only to perceive themselves as being "bossed around" by Board members who aren't doing much of anything. Obviously, that kinda sucks when you're putting in lots of effort, only to have someone else step in and tell you how to do things. Under our system, if you want to be on the Board, you have to do the work. )
:Anyway, perhaps we should expand the Convention Committee article to explain the different leadership types found in different cons. I'm not sure how to approach this though. Your thoughts? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm, interesting! I think probably the best thing to do is to have one article that discusses the different models of [[convention organization]] or [[convention management]]. Alternatively, we could just put it all back into [[convention]], under a "Management" heading. Having separate articles about every little detail just makes it harder to see the whole picture.

::: I'm all for putting this into [[convention]]. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::I also noticed that there is no copy of Anthrocon, Inc.'s bye-laws on the [http://www.anthrocon.org/about about page]. Would it be possible to add that at some point? It seems like it would complement the information already there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::: I think we use stock by-laws, but I'll check with [[UncleKage|Sam]]. We don't have too much "offical" structure, anyway. Our yearly Board Meeting, as required by law, takes about 10 minutes and is held on the Monday following Anthrocon in or around Con Ops.
::: Don't get me startedon what I think of mandatory "weekly meetings" and the like. :-P --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

== Another Extinctioners name change request from RVDDP2501 ==

Hey Dmuth, how's it going, listen, I was wondering if you could change the page name of the Extinctioners character, "Radica" to "Radica Procyon", thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for working on the Magfest page ==

Thank you for working on the magfest page on wikipedia.

A friend of mine is an organiser for the event, and I noticed there was not a wikipedia page for it.

Cheers.

Robert Headley {{unsigned|71.114.165.111}}

:No problem, happy to help! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== AnimalCon ==

Hi Giza, can you please restore my article? I found your dismissal of my furmeet as "an attempt to sell videos" rather insulting. I've provided the website FOR the meet (which was dismised) as well as the Long Island Furs website, which had "Animal Con" indexed as a meet earlier this month. The site is maintained by Dr. Sergey "Cubbi" Zubakov.

Maybe you would have been better flagigng it for revision or dividing it into two parts; the "metafiction" aspect of the con as referred to in the films versus the "real life" counterpart as the actual meet, which Umgotts Studios sponsored and filmed at.

Thank you. {{unsigned|Sgatsby}}

: First, I didn't delete your article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] did.
: Second, uou forgot to mention the part wherein you created that very same article some months before, and it too was deleted.
: It seems to me that you are attempting to "alter the data to support your conclusion", so to speak.
: If you want to make stuff up to advertise your videos, I couldn't care less. What we here do care about is you trying to use this Wiki as an advertising vehicle for your videos. That sort of behavior is unacceptable, and it will not be tolerated. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== Locking ==

I would like my [[RealDesertFox]] article locked, please. [[User:RDF|RealDesertFox]] 21:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:Sure. I just posted a note on the article's discussion page, asking if anyone has any objections. (Such objections rarely happen) If I don't hear anything back, I'll apply the "excluded" tag and protect the article in a few days. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, this has been done! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Invitation: ==

To join my too-slowly-growing group, BowlingFurs. see http://community.livejournal.com/bowling_furs , and once I've got the extra time on my hands again I'll be re-lurking in our IRC channel on irc.furnet.org, too. Plus, if you have other bowling furs you know, tell them about it! :D

== Stacey ==

Hi. I was just looking at some edits you made to [[Stacey]] back in December and was wondering why you rephrased it in a way that focuses on her impersonation of one particular artist (Adele Sessler) when in actuality she has done this sort of thing to dozens of artists. I'd like to rework the statement in question accordingly but wanted to get your take on it first. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:Looking through the edits I made, it looks like the previous version said that she had done this to "hundreds" of artists, a statement which seemed a little over the top (and possibly unsourced) at the time. If you have more stuff to cite (or maybe I just didn't look at the external references close enough), feel free to update the article. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::I'm probably the one who wrote that, based largely upon the information from the "Life and Crimes of" site in the external links. My editorial sense of what to say and how to say it in an encyclopedic article has improved since then. I have pretty reliable information that Stacey has created about two dozen fake accounts on Fur Affinity, some of them under the names of well-known furry artists. "Hundreds" may be hard to validate, but I'd be pretty comfortable saying she has impersonated "dozens" or "numerous" artists and writers. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:::If the info is on the web somewhere (i.e. we can cite it), that's good enough for me! --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 23:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Feels Like Old Times ==

Heya. First off, thanks for sticking up for me in my absence.

For old time's sake, I read [http://home.kendra.com/mauser/GAFIATE.html Rich Chandler's ham-handed attempt at character defamation] again tonight—specifically the part where he portrays me as favoring "anything goes" policies, and how ''great'' he thinks it is that conventions now control exploitive media crews.

I betcha Rich would shit a purple kitten if he realized [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/2c10db98484cc2e4?dmode=source I suggested a Media Liaison for furry conventions in 1997.] And who could've predicted ten years later I'd be helping escort them around myself? -=)

See ya in the funny papers,

—[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 06:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I want to see a purple kitten. :-( --[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]]

== Images uploaded that should have copyright tags ==

There are some images uploaded by you that should have copyright tags or other attention. I've created a list at [[User:Rat/ImagesNeedLicensesDM]]. Thanks for your attention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 20:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

:I have fixed the images in question. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== deletions ==

FIRST you delete my Monty Python lines, THEN you delete the image I put as a joke on my user page....

DARNIT, you never let me have ANY fun. :))

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 14:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

:But I didn't, [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&curid=27861&diff=195385&oldid=195382 Higgs Raccoon did].
:The reason why I removed the template was because while I did find it funny, it also caused your user page to show up in [[:Category:Protected pages]], which might cause some confusion.
:Now, if you'd to include an '''image''' that looks like the protected template (like [http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l93/dougmuth/?action=view&current=protected.jpg this one], or just copy and paste in the template code, I say go for it! Neither of those would cause any issues, and be rather amusing. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hop on YIM - I have a bit of an OT problem that's driving me nuts.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 14:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== How about THIS one. :P ==

I know you didn't like the other image I put up...

How does it look now?

[[User:AnthroSamurai]]

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 15:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Is there any proof? ==

I happened to notice a rather odd and unsourced statement on the "Mozdoc" article - "attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books" - and would like to see something submitted as proof of this.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've no idea. If it's an unsourced statement, then we should probably remove it from the article and make a note on the talk page. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== IM contact ==

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm trying to contact you on IM but all you fucking do is disappear.

--Mozdoc

If you haven't figured it out yet Mozdoc, it's all a game - they're just out to fuck with you.

And Dougie? Get ready to join the '''KISS MY ASS''' club. ;)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]]

What kind of a response is this? This isn't helping me at all and I don't even know why you're throwing up a link to some other part of this site. Dougie? I don't know anyone by that name. Can you please contact me on some other medium besides here?

--Mozdoc

== Copyright Issues: Usenet posts ==

There is no copyright over posts made over Usenet, actually. Trust me, The Church of Scientology has tried to say otherwise since 1995.[[User:Kupok|Kupok]] 02:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

:Um, I do not believe that is how copyright law works. [http://www.lessig.org/content/articles/works/cyberlessons/lessons/copyr02.html When a work is created, it is copyright by its author], unless they state otherwise. While Usenet posts [http://www.lessig.org/content/articles/works/cyberlessons/lessons/copyr06.html may fall into a grey area], I am quite certain that we cannot arbitrarily apply the GFDL to them. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering if I could have a page of mine un-excluded. "Comah" is the page title. I'd greatly appreciate it if this could be done as soon as possible, thanks.

User talk:Spirou

2009-03-29T07:08:43Z

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<center>'''Discussion Pages'''</center>
*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (August 2005 - October 2006)
*[[/Archive2|Archive 2]] (October 2006 - January 2007)
*[[/Archive3|Archive 3]] (January 2007 - September 2007)
*[[/Archive4|Archive 4]] (September 2007 - February 2008)
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'''Older conversations have been archived. Please view the links on the right review old threads.'''

== [[:Image:Avatarserver.jpg]], [[:Image:Hangdog.png]] ==

These images should have copyright tags, same as the previous images. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 21:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

:Done =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 05:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== Affinity code? ==

When you [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Furry_code&diff=next&oldid=116738 added "Affinity code"] to Furry code article, were you thinking of the code at furaffinity.net/encode/ ? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 22:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:Quite [http://www.furaffinity.net/encode/ correct] =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== [[4chan.eu]] ==

[[4chan.eu]] has been proposed for deletion. You can discuss the deletion on the [[Talk:4chan.eu|talk page]]. I'm not arguing for or against deletion, only letting you know because you created the article. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 21:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== So, what's to be done? ==

Should "[[Naga]]" instead be replaced with [[:Category:Naga characters]], particularly since "Naga" registers quite a few times in the search results? --[[User:RayneVanDunem|RayneVanDunem]] 02:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, that is a good idea (open to discussion by others.) The problem with "Naga" is not that it isn't a good article, more that it is an already set mainstream term/subject for a (non-furry) mythological (mundane) fantasy creature. Wikifur has come upon this problem with other proposed articles in the past (Mermaids, Vampires, Yetis,) coming to the conclusion (more often than not) of their non-appropriateness.

:...of course, the [[:Category:Naga characters]] idea doesn't seem to a problem, more of a solution, imho =) (subject to other users' opinions/objections) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sometimes... ==

...It's just not worth the time or effort spent. "...like trying to wrestle-down a colic kindergarden class on quaaludes,..." >=( [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hola Spirou!
Te agradezco de antemano a ti y a Rat el que me ayuden con mi pagina personal. Ya la estuve leyendo y me pareció genial, doblemente gracias!
Sólo le haré unos detalles mas que seguramente notarás.

Agregarle dos participaciones en el area de convenciones y el link para el sitio web de la "Leyenda de la Nahuala" en inglés: http://www.nahuala.com.mx/en.php

Quizá ya para entonces estén hechos los cambios. Por tu ayuda muchas gracias!!
Mario "Magolobo"

== Making redirects for deleted pages ==

In regards to your recent deletion I would like to leave redirects for navigation from the specific topic to more general topic. The redirects I would like to make are:

[[Mowgli]]→[[The Jungle Book]]
[[Tribble]]→[[Star Trek]]
[[Darwin's Fox]]→[[Fox]]
[[Kappa]]→[[Japanese mythology]]

I would also like to undelete the article history so the option is there to copy text to the general topic if appropriate. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:I see no problems on either suggestion, actually a logical step,... As for the talk pages, we normally have deleted them in the past, but if it helps you to keep track of data, I will leave alone until such time they are no longer useful to anybody [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:44, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing up my page. Thanks. Jsut thought it needed some fixings.

== Why? ==

Why was I blcoked form editing my own page, I wasn't removing anything wrong, I was adding to it.[[User:Asylumfoxy714|Asylumfoxy714]] 05:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)Asylumfoxy714

== Gone a while,... ==

...and some things/people never change =/ [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:Woah,... busy times [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Just a dead link report ==

Hello there, just a dead link report: You should correct the link http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Spirou&action=edit&section=new from wikicities.com to wikia.com at your user-page http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:Spirou. I would already have corrected it if were free for editing ;-) [[User:Dracenmarx|Dracenmarx]] 19:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing it out =) Will give it a quick edit -[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Happy Thanksgiving ==

...To all Wikifur users (readers, editors and admins).- [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== Clarification Request ==
Regarding [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Hiroshima_Cluehammer&diff=227744&oldid=227742 this], what specific references are you looking for? For example, I can make the claim that the changes ''I'' suggested (media liaison, etc.) were implemented, and I can provide the links to back my statements up. Conversely, it would be difficult to provide references to statements Rich claims he made if those statements do not actually exist (i.e., attempting to prove a negative)—and given his history I'm pretty sure they don't, but that's beside the point. Most of this dispute has been on Wikifur. In the interest of avoiding cluttering up the page, if a personal webpage debunking [http://mauser.livejournal.com/192031.html his claims] would suffice, that is certainly doable. I've been meaning to renovate my Axiom Of Fandom Enjoyability Page anyway. (And frankly, as I've personally served as assistant media liaison at the world's largest furry convention the past three years, I think Rich Chandler's attempt to take credit for that just goes to show he's all talk and no action.) Just for giggles, I just did a Google Groups search to look for any evidence that press/media liaison was one of the changes Rich Chandler was "calling for all along" as he claims. Not surprisingly, there is none. Man, I hate being right all the time. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 08:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:Whatever form of reference would suffice. In the event that none is available, prior ones, (old a.f.f./livejournal/websites posts/entries) that would even allude to it would suffice. If that is not even either available, a (non-Archivable) note on the articles talk page could be the best way - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 17:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== pe template ==

Regarding your recent edit to [[User talk:70.19.71.122]], when using the <nowiki>{{pe}}</nowiki> template, don't forget to include the name of the article they edited in the template, e.g. <nowiki>{{pe|Push.tyber}}</nowiki>; otherwise the expansion of the template doesn't format properly. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 23:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, my bad,... I assumed it would automatically insert the name of the article in question - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion request ==

Hello, I'd like to request deletion of my article. I don't do anything under this name anymore, nor in the furry fandom at all, and I don't want to be linked back to it. If there's any steps aside from this that I need to take, please let me know. Thank you.

[[User:StreamRender|Siarnaq]] 03:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)Siarnaq

hello this is Asylumfoxy714 and I would liek a protected status of my wiki page Straitfox and talk page please. Thanks. {{unsigned|Asylumfoxy714}}

== RE: Deletion Request ==

Hello,

The policy page was not helpful. My first post was a deletion request, as well as this one. It should all be logged from the same IP for this account and the account the page was created with, if it has to come to that. That's all. Thanks.

[[User:StreamRender|Siarnaq]] 00:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Siarnaq

Lzz Littlething has given me permission to edit his Wikifur page.

[2009/03/07 2:47] Sniff Heinkel: btw nice pic on your wikifur page
[2009/03/07 2:48] Lzz Littlething: wish i could change all that info
[2009/03/07 2:48] Lzz Littlething: but i had problems
[2009/03/07 2:48] Sniff Heinkel: I can edit it for ya
[2009/03/07 2:49] Sniff Heinkel: what did you want it to say
-- Instant message logging enabled --
[2:55] Lzz Littlething: shaden was a bitch left me - wonderd in sl again -found zakk jigsaw and met up with jericho after family problems and met my true loving boy baby Blitzckreed Levenque
[2:56] Lzz Littlething: somethin like that
[2:56] Lzz Littlething: anyway ni
[2:56] Sniff Heinkel: hmm they kinda frown on negativity
[2:56] Lzz Littlething: k
[2:56] Sniff Heinkel: I'll figure something out

Just thought I'd let you know.
-[[User:Sniffindahouse|Sniffindahouse]] 11:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)Sniffindahouse

== Dog of Heaven different from Tomas ==

Dog of Heaven =me = Wolfganghm. Tomas is a different person. I used his link to create a different article, since I don't know how to make one from scratch, I use the old ones and redirect them to the new articles i make. (If there is another way, please tell me.)

:Oh, okay, it makes sense why, Thanks =) One way you could do create a new articlw is to search for name/person/item: i.e "Icemaker" in the search engine. "Icemaker" will appear on red. Click on the red link, and that will open the window for "Icemaker", edit, preview and post. Hope this helps - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Removal from WikiFur ==

I would like you to contact me whenever you can so that I can have some hope in getting my name and entire existence removed from WikiFur. It would be appreciated.

--Mozdoc

User talk:Spaz Kitty

2009-03-29T07:07:57Z

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{{InactiveUser}}
* '''[[User talk:SpazKitty/Archive1|Archive: February 2006 - August 2006]]'''
* '''[[User talk:SpazKitty/Archive2|Archive: September 2006 - September 2007]]'''

== Hm... ==

Is [[User talk:Wikifur|this]] an appropriate username? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 15:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. I think it's just a mistake. I'll block it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:01, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

Hey GR -- I believe we have the same person doing some of the recent vandalism. [[User:170.215.11.79]] and [[User:170.215.11.13]] seem to be too similar within too few days to otherwise be a coincidence. Can you do a broad IP block on them? I'm not too familiar with that process. ^^ [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 20:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Sure. Blocked 170.215.11.0/24 for three months. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

==Is it really that big of a deal?==

Having that picture of the video game character on my page. Is it really that big of a deal to have it on there? It was made pretty obvious that I wasn't claiming the picture as mine, and I know the character is owned by Capcom and all that. It's no big deal I suppose, just wondering.. [[User:Areku Detritus|Areku Detritus]] 03:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Areku Detritus

:It's big enough of one that we enforce deletion of copyright violations. Unless you created the image or have permission by the creator (by an artist of a badge, for example) to post the image, you can't post it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 04:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== [[Drayk]] and [[User:67.166.88.170]] ==

Regarding your recent block on User:67.166.88.170, it looks to me as if this user could be Drayk himself wishing for personal exclusion - not a certainty by any means, and we'd need a more verifiable request before treating it as such - but unless you know something I don't or I've overlooked something, it appears to be a definite possibility.

And yes, that article in its present form appears to be rather convoluted and in need of cleanup. If there is any truth in the article, it may be a borderline case of having cause not to allow personal exclusion. (My opinion - I'd lean toward allowing the exclusion, especially while references are lacking.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:47, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'd normally assume the same as well, but [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Drayk&diff=191649&oldid=191648 this edit] made me think otherwise. Seems less of a desire for personal exclusion and more of a harassment thing when that's considered, but I could be wrong. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== What to be done? ==

You labeled my recent page as "needs cleanup." Could you be more specific? What about tips an' tricks? I made the page at 5 in the morning so at least its in english, heh heh.

[[User:65.65.223.30|65.65.223.30]] 03:29, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

:Erm, your IP address linked here has no contributions, so no name to link it to. What article are you referring to? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 04:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Odd but ok. [[Red]] is the article.

[[User:71.153.208.243|71.153.208.243]] 03:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Questionable nicknames ==

Personally I suspect that's more likely to be someone trying to be mysterious who was not aware that usernames were recorded in the edit history. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Just following a trend, Miss ==

If you or some other admin are about to delete or redirect [[:Category:Georgia (U.S. state) Wikifurries]], then what about [[:Category:Carolina Wikifurries]]? I only created the Georgia one after I saw the Carolina one a bit earlier, unless that one will be redirected into either [[:Category:South Carolina]] or [[:Category:North Carolina]]. --[[User:RayneVanDunem|RayneVanDunem]] 06:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Complete exclusion from WikiFur ==

My name is Mozdoc, I want to be completely removed from WikiFur. I want the article about me removed, the talk page removed, everything. I want complete and total exclusion unless I say otherwise that I want to come back.

--Mozdoc

== Citation needed? ==

Hi S.K. :D

Noticed you added a "citation needed" tag to the [[Tales from the Reservation]] article concerning the author's stance on the story. I just thought I'd let you know, it will most likely be impossible to cite it as it was from a series of emails with the author - emails which, sadly, were deleted by my ISP in a lame attempt to extort a higher monthly rate from me. :(

Personally, I feel it's a shame that he's walked away from this story - it DOES have an interesting aspect to it.

[[Special:Contributions/75.7.254.145|75.7.254.145]] 11:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== If you only had a brain :)) ==

Yet you gleefully follow your master in her schemes, SPAZ. Of course, people like you - with rather limited intelligance - ALWAYS tend to blindly follow others, no matter if they're right or not. Your so willing to look the other way when your idol is doing something wrong, yet jump all over anyone who either calls them on it or mockingly immitates their actions.

Therefore, at this time I would have to classify you as an adversary.

:...what the hell are you talking about? As for "limited intelligance" (sic -- ironic that you can't even spell 'intelligence' right, no?), I'd like to note that I was in gifted courses from kindergarten through high school. When I was tested back in 9th grade, my IQ was 120. I scored 1330 on the SATs. My GPA in high school was a 4.1 out of 4.0 (possible through advanced courses with extra "honors" credit available), and my GPA at UGA is a 3.4, and I made the Dean's List last fall. Who has limited intelligence, again? Don't talk down to me. Spaz Kitty 00:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

'''User account "Spaz Kitty" is not registered. Please check if you want to create/edit this page.'''

How is it that you can have an "Administrator" tag when you are not even REGISTERED??? I think we need to take a long hard look at your actions...

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 11:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:You didn't see the redirect? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 01:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::-sigh...- Please stop targeting me because all I did was defend a person's gender mentality, regardless of whether or not they were involved with a certain other overly dramatic person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 15:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Self defense ==

I recommend you learn Judo. I, too, have been tested at near-genius IQ levels from a young age, got a 1360 on my SATs, was in G&T classes and all of that. But there's no point bringing it up, especially as an extensive emotional defense against someone's cheap one-liner. Remember to smile at yourself, in sympathy if nothing else. After all, you have been given power to do the job of a wiki administrator: to Improve and Protect the Wiki. We are all Green Lantern if we choose to be. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 01:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've taken Tae Kwon Do. ;) Decided not to take the final 'tests' to achieve my black belt, but still. I don't appreciate being yet another target of some persistent aggressor, and if the only way to avoid that is to take another break from the Wiki, so be it. I don't need any more sources of dumb drama in my life. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

Ah well, so much for trying to get you to reason things out and discuss matters.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 19:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Message 412==

Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

And if you feel like swatting things, by all means come join a friend and I tonight at his Apartment building - 2 airsoft guns and 6 cans of silly string versus about a hundred BATS! :))

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 00:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Removal from WikiFur ==

I would like you to contact me whenever you can so that I can have some hope in getting my name and entire existence removed from WikiFur. It would be appreciated.

--Mozdoc

User talk:Sine

2009-03-29T07:06:18Z

Mozdoc: /* Removal from WikiFur */ new section

It may take me a day or three to respond, and I am unlikely to respond to what I perceive as rhetorical questions. '''Please assume I have a reason for the edits I make, and be courteous in what you write here.'''

The best place for most discussion is the talk page of the particular article or category concerned, rather than here.

== Archives ==

* [[/FebMar2006|February - March 2006]] | [[/AprMay2006|April - May 2006]] | [[/June2006|June 2006]] | [[/July2006|July 2006]] | [[/AugSept2006|August - September 2006]] | [[/Oct2006|October 2006]] | [[/NovDec2006|November - December 2006]]
* [[/2007|January - March 2007]] | [[/Apr2007|April 2007]] | [[/MayDec2007|May - December 2007]]
* [[/2008|2008]]

== Myrla Article ==

Hello, Sine. Sashi Akihana here. Just wanted to thank you for your edit work on my new page about [[Myrla]]. I'm pretty new at this. Your changes make much more sense. :3 Only issue I am having right now is with my log in though. No matter how many times I log in, as soon as I go to a page, I'm no longer logged in.. Any idea what could be causing that?
[[Special:Contributions/72.171.0.141|72.171.0.141]] 14:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:Replied on [[User talk:72.171.0.141]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 06:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks for helping ==

Hi there, just saying thanks for properly putting my page together. When I have time I will go through and format it, but being as new as I am, I don't have many topics to write about. What would be your suggestion on how to format it correctly?
[[User:Wishfur|Wishfur]] 23:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Regarding merger of Cioe B into Siege Voxus ==

Seriously? In [[Talk:Cioe B]], I already noted that there would be problems just dropping one article into the other, because the flow of the page would be disrupted; and as has been noted with the Cleanup tag, the wiki's style conventions are now abrogated.

I guess I'll just have to fix it myself, since it wasn't discussed with me.
-- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Lzz Littlething ==

Dude can you please put back all the stuff you removed from Lzz Littlething?I worked on that all night and had his permmision to fix it cuz he didn't like how it made him look.Over half of what was there has been removed.

[2009/03/07 2:47] Sniff Heinkel: btw nice pic on your wikifur page
[2009/03/07 2:48] Lzz Littlething: wish i could change all that info
[2009/03/07 2:48] Lzz Littlething: but i had problems
[2009/03/07 2:48] Sniff Heinkel: I can edit it for ya
[2009/03/07 2:49] Sniff Heinkel: what did you want it to say
[2009/03/07 2:55] Lzz Littlething: shaden was a bitch left me - wonderd in sl again -found zakk jigsaw and met up with jericho after family problems and met my true loving boy baby Blitzckreed Levenque
[2009/03/07 2:56] Lzz Littlething: somethin like that
[2009/03/07 2:56] Lzz Littlething: anyway ni
[2009/03/07 2:56] Sniff Heinkel: hmm they kinda frown on negativity
[2009/03/07 2:56] Lzz Littlething: k
[2009/03/07 2:56] Sniff Heinkel: I'll figure something out

:Replied at [[Talk:L.Z.Z. Littlething]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 07:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== On the Extinctioners template. ==

Thanks. The "[[:Template:Navbox subgroup|navbox subgroup]]" thing only worked once I found a substitute on another Wikia. The one remaining thing that I need is a way to make Navbox collapsible through <nowiki>{{{state}}}</nowiki>, then templates like the Extinctioners won't be fully open all the time. Got any ideas? --[[User:RayneVanDunem|RayneVanDunem]] 20:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

:That seems like a good idea to me, but I have no ideas on how to accomplish it, I'm afraid; I only know the very basics of templates. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome!
I wrote the article, and I am going to be adding more info if possible. He's a good artist. I was thinking about making an article for myself and the novel I am working on, but maybe later. Thanks for the comment!

I am knew here, and I am just learning the basics.

== Gutierrez's Page ==

I have made some minor edits for grammar, spelling, and punctuation on the page. I was just wondering if this is what you had tagged the page for or if there are more issues with the page. Just let me know! I'd love to see that banner go down, but only when the article is clean.
==[[User:RezDragon|RezDragon]]

== Quick Question ==

Hello Sine! I wanted to know if there was a way too see how many people have viewed a particular article. Is there a views count somewhere on the page? I was just curious.

Also, thank you for your help. --[[User:Wolfganghm|"I'm not always right, but I am never wrong."]] 13:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Removal from WikiFur ==

I would like you to contact me whenever you can so that I can have some hope in getting my name and entire existence removed from WikiFur. It would be appreciated.

--Mozdoc

User talk:EarthFurst

2009-03-29T06:58:23Z

Mozdoc: /* Complete and total EXCLUSION of Mozdoc from Wikifur */ new section

{{User talk:EarthFurst/Header}}


== Alex A. Fawkes ==

Since you edited [[Alex A. Fawkes]], I was wondering if you knew where the Alex A. Fawkes comic was. Due to what [[Scaramouche]] says, I'm wondering if both the articles are hoaxes.
--[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 09:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:No idea, sorry, I was probably just copy-editing. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

==Welcome to [[WikiFur:Administrators]]!==
Be sure to visit the links in the above page to see how to use the extra powers if you've not had sysop access on a wiki before (the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Administration#Rollback bot rollback feature] is particularly useful). Remember you can always [[WikiFur:IRC|come onto IRC]] for more help. Enjoy! :-) [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you very much. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 03:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

== Titles ==

Articles (the grammar, not the reading material) (A, of, the, etc.), except at the beginning of the title of something, should never be capitalized.

http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Excuse_Me_For_Being_A_Dog%21
Should be
http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Excuse_Me_for_Being_a_Dog%21

I could be wrong, but you should check a textbook just to be sure.

-'''[[Image:Skunklogo.gif]]([[User:Skunk|U]])([[User_talk:Skunk|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Skunk|C]])''' 10:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

:I checked englishplus.com and the site says ".. Capitalize all the other words except for '''a''', '''an''', '''the''', .. and prepositions of four letters or fewer." reference.com says "for" is a preposition so lower-case "a" and "for" they should be. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 05:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Linking to private videos? ==

Just a question stemming from the addition of a private video to the [[Timeline of media coverage]] article under the "Back to You" entry... doesn't it seem a bit odd to post a link to which access is restricted (private video), when no provisions are provided to gain access to it? It's kind analogous to posting a link to a friends-locked LiveJournal entry, in the sense that it provides no useful information other than those "in the know". It can only be assumed that if some particular information is private on YouTube or LJ, they have a reason for doing so and it shouldn't be used on something like WikiFur. Just curious, feel free to drop a message back anytime. :) --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:I apologize, didn't look close enough at the diff; seems one of the vids I initially posted has been rendered private and replaced by a new one. I'll just remove it from the article. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 17:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== K9 still available ==

Why do you think the [[K9]] are no longer available after being discontinued?
[[YiffyToys.de|We]] still have [http://yiffytoys.de/cat-alog/index.php/cPath/22_63 one of them in stock] and in the shop. --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 06:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

:My apologies. I went to the yiffytoys.de pages and the K9 was listed as “Auslaufmodell”/“discontinued”/“discontinued” so I assumed that meant they were not longer available at yiffytoys.de. I will revert that part of my edit. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 22:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Urm... ==

Wow, I was gone for quite some time, but all of my sites should be up to date and working as of today, including the new one.

Sorry for such the great delay. [[User:Shadowlab|ShadowLab]] 02:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Quick Question ==

hello earthfurst, I rarely check out the wikifur site but I just noticed that a troll made a change to my rather old "BullGator" entry which you commented on. I realize this happened some time ago and has now been reversed, but is there some way that articles can be protected from such vandalism or is it just best to "watch" them and reverse any damage on the fly so to speak? Thanks. -BullGator 14:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== I'm extremely new :3 ==

Hello! I am EXTREMELY new here, as in about 5 hours at most **its 10:20PM at the moment**
Just wondering if I might be able to get some help editing my page to make it look nice. I hate a messy page >.<
[[User:Buckwolf|Buck Wolf]] 03:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Dead Links ==

Just a reminder, with dead links, it may be worthwhile to check http://web.archive.org to see if an archive link would be suitable (or a note in the edit summary saying that an archive version was not found or was not suitable). --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 21:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

== Request to be specific Admin ==

Hey, I'm currently admin on the family guy wiki and the american dad wiki, and I would like to become one for "The Cleveland Show" wiki. The site really has no user traffic now, and no admins that are active that I can find so I was hoping you can make me an admin for that show so I can begin working on that page. thanks [[User:Grande13|Grande13]] 16:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Complete and total EXCLUSION of Mozdoc from Wikifur ==

I would like to have you contact me as soon as possible so I can talk with you and discuss what it would take to get my name off of Wikifur entirely. I do not want an article on this site. I do not want my character and life written about by people that I don't even know. I am no longer any problems to the furry fandom and multiple people can agree with this.

--Mozdoc

Forum:Mozdoc's Request For COMPLETE Exclusion

2009-03-29T06:38:50Z

User:Mozdoc

2008-11-11T07:26:58Z

Mozdoc: /* Known IP addresses and aliases = */

My character and my life are my own. Quit documenting my history and my existence on WikiFur. I want my entire existence excluded and removed.

--Mozdoc

User talk:GreenReaper

2008-11-11T07:24:34Z

Mozdoc:

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-08-23T03:41:48Z

Mozdoc:

<div style="float:right; border:2px solid #bbbbbb; width:150px;">
<center>'''Discussion Pages'''</center>
*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (May 2007 - June 2008)
</div>
'''Older conversations have been archived. Please view the links on the right review old threads.'''

== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [[Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion|Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion]] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting tally (June 29th, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis of mozdoc at fc'08|on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::sez findra: "(Mozdoc) was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff." I had been under the impression that a convention's "staff" includes ''everybody'' who works 'behind the scenes' to make a convention happen, be they full-fledged ConCom members or volunteer gophers or what. Stupid (albeit honest) question: Why ''isn't'' a "volunteer" considered to be part of a convention's "staff"? Is this just a traditional term of art, or what? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::A staff member at a convention is usually someone who is scheduled in advance, works in a specific department, and has a specific role laid out for them. Volunteers by comparison are just random folks who walk up and offer to help. They have no set commitment, and can put in as much or as little work as they like, and can work in different areas during the con. Volunteers who work a lot usually become staff members the following year. :-) At least, that's how the volunteer and staff system works at Anthrocon. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 3rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

:'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

:It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

:'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

:Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

::::I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

::::Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

::::::Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

::::::You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

::::::'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

::::::And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::'''CONCERN TROLL'''
:::::::"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

:::::::Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

:::::::Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

:::::::If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

:::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here for everyone to see. [[User:Hellkat9940|Hellkat9940]] 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed) ==

It seems that in regards to the removal of Mozdoc's real name, most of the people here are missing what should be very obvious - the fact that the removal of his real name would not be a permanent, "for all time" event.

Just because it is removed, does NOT mean that it could never be added again should he become overly aggressive once more. ALSO, if he DOES straighen out, such information could be further added to his artcile showing that fact. The opposite can also be true.

Ladies and Gentlemen, We have before us a golden opportunity to guide this individual into a better life. Shall we use it, or throw it away?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:On second thought, why bother. Nobody really cares anyway - if they did, a lot of what is going wrong in this day and age would not be happening.

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Can we get this over with please? ==

Or is the date going to just keep getting pushed back until theres enough to support an unfavorable result because its July 7th today and thats when the final decision was supposed to take place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 14:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:The decision closes on July 7th. Personally, I would have chosen the end of it for all time zones, but Siege is welcome to close the discussion at any time that they feel appropriate.

:If you have to rely on timing to ensure that you have a favourable response to the proposal, it rather brings into question your confidence of public support for the proposal. (I'm not too happy that we had to have a vote on this in the first place, rather than reaching a consensus on the best - any case where a significant proportion of the population feels we're doing the wrong thing is unfortunate.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article. No one added themselves to the persons against it, and no one decided to get off the fence and go for one side or the other. As far as I see it, this is fucking over. I'm getting my name off the article before this drags out another week because some moronic dumbass out there decides to bring up another excuse to drag it out even longer. I don't see why you can't all just agree to allow me to get the exclusion I ASKED for and get my name off of WikiFur ENTIRELY AS I WANT.
::--Mozdoc

:::sez Mozdoc: "As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article." No, there was not any such "advantage" -- not unless you know of any votes that were cast since the tally of 3 July 2008. Sure, the person signing themself as "Hellkat9940" offered their opinion on 7 July, but "Hellkat" did not go so far as to say "I vote to remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page". This leaves anybody but "Hellkat" unable to determine whether "Hellkat"'s position is "It's wrong, and I think it should be corrected," or "It's wrong, but I don't really care if it's corrected." As for the person who signed themself as "So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))", that's just AnthroSamurai under another pseudonym, and ''his'' (?) vote is already counted in the 3 July tally. So where's that "one or two vote advantage", Mozdoc? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Gee, it looks like you people are grasping for ANY EXCUSE to leave his name up on the article. Anyone with half a brain can see WHY Mozdoc is so pissed off at all of you - you're going out of your way to fuck with him.'''

::::'''You people are coming DANGEROURSLY CLOSE to making yet another deadly enemy - is that what you want?'''
::::'''And YOU Cubist, you better quit it with the childish shit before you get your ass paddled.'''

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthroSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

Deadlock. As some other users as suggested, we should put this already to rest (the proper way.) Contacting other registered (valid) users/Sysops by staff could be a solution, but (imho) this matter should be settled today [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: '''Why bother??? You KNOW that certain people will just dominate the situation and his name won't be removed either way. People are just using this as another means of messing with the guy to set him off.'''

: '''Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.'''

: [[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:: please enhance your calm anthrosamurai, lest ye be seen as no more than a troll who looses poorly. such would be bad for your cause.
:: i have remained quiet for a while now, however, i would like to say something now. yes, this should be closed. it has been going on for too long and some of the less mature among the ranks have started to show that immaturity. it will only devolve. however, at the same time, anything other than a verdict in their opinion favor will also be met with the same level of maturity. opinion, not fact, of which i hope i am wrong.
:: i would like to propose two things.
:: 1 - any future votes be restricted to established users. either side can easily find straw votes if we do not use that restriction.
:: 2 - preferably, we allow the admins themselves to make the decision, and no matter what it is, we agree to abide by it without complaint. their site, their decision. which is where it should have remained to begin with.
:: side note- i have edited anthrosamurai post above to provide proper indent format.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:::'''Here is what is going to happen.'''

:::Mozdoc's name will be removed for a period of one month.
:::If he starts further trouble, it will be re-added PERMANTLY, with no further consideration for it's removal.
:::What ELSE will happen... well, none of you really want to know.

:::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"''[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&diff=prev&oldid=203895 Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.]''"
::::*Users with the name [[RubberDuck]], [[Kong]], [[Blurrr]], and [[OneEyedWilley]] have not been found making any decisions (pro/con/neutral) about this vote presently. Will re-add their votes if they make their presence and/or wishes known.
::::*A quick inquiring note has been sent to users [[Cypher]], [[User:Hellcat9940|Hellcat9940]], and [[User:Duncan Wulfweards|Duncan Wulfweards]] to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes to the matter at hand.
::::[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Uh... I don't think that's your decision to make.
::::: And, I'm going to ask you again: knock it off with the [http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AnthroSamurai&curid=40158&diff=203979&oldid=203919&rcid=212413 name calling] and [[Wikipedia:Incivility|general incivility]]. It is not helping things any. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Doug?

::::::'''F--- YOU'''

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 20:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING

BULLSHIT.

I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH.

I WAS SITTING HERE REFRESSING THE PAGE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER ACTIVITY GENERATED AFTER THAT TIME. THE VOTE WAS FINALIZED, THERE WAS NO MORE SHIT ON THE PAGE. I FUCKING WON AND NOW YOU LITTLE PUSSY FACED SHITFACED MOTHER FUCKING SACKS OF SLOPPY SHIT DECIDE TO GRASP AT WHATEVER MOTHER FUCKING STRAW YOU FUCKING CAN TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS *AGAIN*. FUCKING AGAIN. MOTHER FUCKING AGAIN.

KNOCK THIS FUCKING SHIT OFF! MY NAME IS TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FUCKING SITE IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS AGREED. LAST MINUTE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FUCKING VOTING ARE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THAT THIS WEBSITE AND ALL THE MORONIC DICKHEADS THAT RUN IT ARE BIASED AGAINST ME AND WILL DO NOTHING BY FUCK WITH THIS, FUCK WITH THAT, FUCK OVER THERE, FUCK OVER THERE, AND THEN FUCK EVERYTHING UP AFTER ITS SAID AND DONE.

YOU LITTLE DUMBSHIT ASSHOLES HAVE WASTED TWO WEEKS OF TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DONE WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN MY FAVOR THAT THIS VOTE WAS GOING AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO FUCKING LOOSE CAN YOU? WELL YOU HAVE. I FUCKING WON YOU LITTLE ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT. I FUCKING WON.

I WANT MY NAME REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

--Mozdoc
:sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH." 
:Really? There were ''seven'' votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Closure and explanation ===

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be '''kept''', for the following reasons:

* Only one person supporting removal is a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of edits outside this topic.
* Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. All had less than 200.
* Three of those opposing removal have two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits each.
* A comparison of edit counts gives a ratio of 40 to 1 for those opposing removal, without considering the relation of the edits to this article.

==== Supporting removal ====
*{{user|Mozdoc}}: 70 (100% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Michichael}}: 3 (two of which relate to Mozdoc)
*{{user|Rootdown}}: 79
*{{user|Hellkat9940}}: 1 (with two more as anon)
*{{user|SnowdriftGM}}: 8 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|AnthroSamurai}}: 153 (roughly 80% relating to this issue; currently blocked over insults)

'''Total:''' 314 edits

==== Opposing removal ====
*{{user|SpazKitty}}: 6454
*{{user|Findra}}: 22 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|DuncanDaHusky}}: 1232 + talk edits
*{{user|Ayukawataur}}: 197 (about 30% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Cubist}}: 37 (only 5 edits on this topic; unrelated prior edits)
*{{user|KendricksRedtail}}: 5666

'''Total:''' 13608 edits

I do not wish to devalue the views of those new to the site - their contributions are welcome and appreciated - but it is clear that those supporting removal do not represent regular editors, nor have they succeeded in swaying the opinion of these editors. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO.

This makes it six votes in my favor, FIVE in yours. My name should be removed. Look at the page history and tell me if I'm fucking wrong. I'm not. YOU ARE AND YOU'RE FIXING SHIT TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR TO JUST CONTINUOUSLY FUCK ME SO THAT I APPEAR TO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY YOU'RE FUCKING RULES AND HAVE MY NAME LISTED HERE WHEN I WANT EXCLUSION. How about just admitting fucking defeat and shutting the fuck up that for once YOU FUCKING LOST.

Get the hell over it and remove my name...NOW.

I would also like to add in the fact that there was NEVER ANYTHING SAID that people needed to have a certain number of edits to be fucking counted. If you're going to play this fucking game then I have every right to take your faggot asses to fucking court and demand removal of my existence from here. You're word that this would end, and obviously ended in my favor, breaks an agreement that was established here. Six to five in favor of removal of my name and yet you make up piss poor fucking excuses to keep it here citing stupid bullshit about the people who bothered to stand up against the little prick sacks of shit that run this site not having enough edits?

FUCK YOU. IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER HOW MANY EDITS A PERSON HAS. They participated in your fucking sick ass joke of a "community", and all they get is their support for me thrown out just because you think that it takes editing the fucking articles in here to be counted. I'm in agreeance with GreenReaper on this one that you are full of fucking shit and just grasping at whatever straws you can to have your fucking way and it isn't going to fucking happen. I ask that Kendrics be removed from this "voting" process and that my name be excluded from here, AS ASKED.

--Mozdoc
:sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I ''think'' [[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&oldid=139283 a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped '''2 May 2007''']] just ''might'' be relevant to your argument here... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

: It also does matter what placement a person has in the community, as if these particular members registered and started editing - or primarily edit articles relating to this conflict - as the people supporting removal do, then they could quite easily be people who registered primarily to sway the result of the vote and not to become a productive WikiFur member. They may have even been pressured into showing support without knowing the proper context of the debate. Add on to this that they don't even contribute enough to be considered representative of the community at large, and it's a very one sided battlefield here. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== UNJUST & DISHONORABLE ACTS ==

I think all wikifur users, and the fandom in general, should be made aware of the tactics and dirty tricks the site dictat - excuse me, ADMINISTRATORS - employ to get their way.

'''GREENREAPER''' - changing voting policy after the fact to support the underlings of his dictatorship.

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be kept, '''because only one of those supporting its removal is an unrelated party and a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of their edits outside of this topic,''' as opposed to four of those opposing its removal.
Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. Of those who had more, none had more than 200 edits, and only one was not mainly or solely involved with this situation.
Conversely, '''three of those opposing removal are WikiFur administrators with two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits,''' and one other editor also appears otherwise uninvolved with this conflict.
(These policies WERE NOT stated until AFTER voting was finished, and were used simply to gain an unfair advantage in favor of what he and his fellow controlers wanted.)

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'''SPIROU''' - removal of votes in favor of redaction, then claiming that he hadn't seen the votes and needed to "contact them to find out".

'''I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake.''' Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..
- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 (talk • contribs) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here''' for everyone to see. Hellkat9940 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick inquiring note has been sent to users Hellcat9940, and Duncan Wulfweards '''to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes''' to the matter at hand. Spirou 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(Duncan Wulfweards made it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that he was voting.... for redaction - Yet Spirou deleted his vote ANYWAY)

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CUBIST - General harrassment & support of dishonest actions by Spirou(re: vote deletion)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH."
Really? There were seven votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? Cubist 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I think [a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped 2 May 2007] just might be relevant to your argument here... Cubist 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(This voting was not in effect on May 2nd, '''2007''', so how can any such edit count towards offsetting Kendrick's voting AFTER the deadline?)

As for my not editing elsewhere, GREENREAPER conveniently leaves out certain facts in his desperate attempt to justify his dishonest and cowardly tactics.

As the situation now stands, wikifur itself is just as damaging to the reputation of the fandom as the perverts are.

[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 21:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:'''SHALL WE SHOOT-DOWN ANOTHER OF GREENREAPER'S LIES???'''

:AS USER "AnthroSamurai"

:20:44, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:20:20, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:20:13, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→IM contact) (top)

:20:11, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→IM and flames from this user)

:19:58, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:16:37, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:16:33, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:16:33, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Dmuth‎ (Replacing page with 'Hey moron, I had removed it before you even finished sending the message. NOW, if you want to continue to garbage.... Well, let's just say you'll find out how evil I really a...')

:15:32, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc

:15:05, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (Removing all content from page)

:14:58, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:14:55, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?: YOU PEOPLE AREN')

:14:46, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?)

:14:45, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?)

:02:39, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?)

:02:38, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote Tally, July 7th 2008 2130hrs)

:02:29, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote Tally, July 8th 2008 2130hrs: new section)

:02:28, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (Undo revision 203837 by KendricksRedtail (talk))

:03:47, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed))

:03:40, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed): new section)

:02:10, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase: Move Findra's posts to keep things in chronological order - Findra, PLEASE don't post in the middle like that, it makes it too hard for people to read new posts.)

:20:03, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Dispute with Cubist)

:18:55, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????: DAMNIT - keep forgeting to sign the posts. :)))

:18:53, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:18:52, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Dispute with Cubist)

:18:42, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:18:21, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:18:06, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:17:32, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:17:31, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????: new section)

:17:06, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:17:05, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:00:12, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Message 412) (top)

:00:12, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:23:31, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:22:17, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:'''11:46, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Mother Nature's a pain in the a**)'''
:'''11:40, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Mother Nature's a pain in the a**) '''
:11:37, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:'''00:12, 3 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:MySpace‎ (Created page with 'Ok, why are there entries for myspace, facebook, and other NON-FURRY RELATED sites on wikifur???????? [[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)')'''

:'''04:14, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Life immitates art (lol): new section)'''

:03:56, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:14:23, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:14:11, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:10:03, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) m Mozdoc‎

:09:47, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Mozdoc‎ ((best way to laugh is to make others laugh))

:22:48, 27 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:10:46, 25 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Removal of real name?)

:22:38, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:69.46.17.168‎ (Created page with '===lying as you did goes against what this country was founded on=== I do not know why you would edit my userpage to add such lies, and personally I do not care. If you have a ...') (top)

:'''22:32, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Reverting vandalism: new section) (top) '''

:02:40, 5 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?)

:'''04:59, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ '''

:'''04:21, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Add photo)'''

:'''04:04, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎'''

:02:57, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:02:28, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (Undo revision 197085 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:23:14, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Asylumfoxy714‎ (→Anons aren't so anon.: new section)

:15:19, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Request: new section)

:14:52, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?: new section)

:'''00:02, 28 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Hey, come on! He's more furry than all of us combined! lol) '''

:23:48, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Straitfox‎ (→Deletion)

:23:38, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Romanian & the IM: new section)

:23:34, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Didn't do it)

:'''23:29, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation: Deleted post - Rat's edite of my post made the whole thing pointless :() (top)'''

:23:25, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement)

:'''21:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)'''

:19:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Self defense)

:18:58, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?: clarify)

:17:36, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:17:27, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?)

:12:08, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:11:37, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)

:12:56, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement: new section)

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:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad)

:11:19, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→Is there any proof?: new section)

:11:02, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→If you only had a brain :)): new section)

:10:58, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:10:43, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎

:19:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:19:25, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 197131 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

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:16:59, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:16:50, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad: new section)

:16:46, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 197094 by Brushwell Clinton (talk)

:'''14:35, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎'''

:14:34, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Undo revision 195798 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Undo revision 196332 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:31, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:14:28, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (I addeth, I taketh away)

:14:26, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (Undo revision 197077 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:13:55, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (Undo revision 197051 by Ayukawataur - It leads to the same place, AYUKA.)

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:'''22:56, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:05:04, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

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:'''04:38, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:'''07:07, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Upgrade tag to "NOVEL" - Story is at 56,947 words)'''

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:'''06:51, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Whoever considers 40,000 words to be a short story never had to type that many. :))) '''

:'''03:19, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removed "short story" tag)'''

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:'''20:05, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Removed "short story" tag: new section)'''

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:'''13:19, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina‎ (top)'''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ (top) '''

:'''15:33, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P)'''

:'''15:22, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P: new section)'''

:'''10:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:49, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:43, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:'''09:40, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:Lag650.GIF‎ (Saw this particular lag box '''on 05/16/08 at 0438... What can I say, I get goofy at that hour of the morning. :))) (top)'''

:'''08:16, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Update chapter #/date)'''

:'''08:11, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎ (Created page with 'An "underground" fan group of Eric W. Schwartz's skunkette character Sabrina, alleged to have been involved with pornagraphic, or yiff style artwork of the character.')'''

:'''01:19, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:01:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

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:'''23:17, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''23:16, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?: new section)'''

:18:20, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal Issues)

:14:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions)

:14:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions: new section)

:12:55, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:05, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest: new section)

:11:50, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues)

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:'''09:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''09:43, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:09:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:09:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux: Sorry, lol - couldn't resist (read before reverting please - you'll laugh))

:'''08:09, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tales from the Reservation‎ (top)'''

:'''08:02, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:07:49, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

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:'''05:32, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

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:'''05:19, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎'''

:'''05:10, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:AS USER 75.7.254.145‎

:02:37, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion)

:11:17, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:'''04:11, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Fix screw-up.) '''

:'''04:09, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Add info on issues) '''

:'''03:48, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:39, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:31, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

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:'''12:20, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''08:36, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:49, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:40, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation'''

:'''06:39, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''06:09, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:58, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:56, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Author's email added (Insert evil grin here))'''

:'''16:32, 9 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Jason Dahlen‎ (→External links: Added his newest site) (top)'''

:SO, as anyone other than the flunkies can see, I did not come to this sight solely for Mozdoc - I did not even know who he was before all of this. Nor are my posts solely in defense of Mozdoc - as I have threatened to conk his and Ayuka's (along with anyone else) heads together.

:And Limey? Next time you want to make claims about me, at least do your homework first ;)

:[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I stand by my statement - roughly 80% of your edits relate to this case. My point was not that you were a supporter as Mozdoc, nor that you came to this site at his bidding - merely that you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views, and so in a tiebreaker situation, the views of more experienced editors should prevail. I discounted Findra's opinion for the same reason, and their view was opposed to yours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::'''you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views'''

::Look junior, The fact that you keep going on about "EDITING EXPERIENCE" while shoving aside ACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience, and insisting on lying when you have been caught red-handed (Your own comments prove such) makes you look like a total buffoon.

::I would suggest you correct your dishonesty.... but you and I both know that you won't - you would rather lie, manipulate, change rules, and generally screw with people. The only way you will change is if you get your ass kicked by the fandom - and to that end I have already emailed and/or otherwise posted the above over 250 times to various people, groups, and sites.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]]

:::I vote for removing his name, The longer we all drag this on, the longer it will go on. I think mozdoc will go away if we just leave him alone. {{unsigned|Germanshepherd}}

::::A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''GREENREAPER: "A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway." '''

:::::So yet ANOTHER excuse for your dishonest actions? I suppose next you will claim you didn't want to do it, but one of the other admins (or maybe Ayuka) MADE you. ;)

:::::Had you and the others played fair and not used this as yet another means of messing with the guy, then even if the decission had been against people like myself would have stuck up for you. HOWEVER, since you played dirty, you can expect the same right back at you.

:::::Give it up, junior - You got busted cheating, plain and simple. And your dishonesty in this is going to be known all across cyberspace.

:::::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 05:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is This Still Being Voted On? ==

If this is still being voted on, count me as a vote opposed to removing Mozdoc's name from the article. I'm not involved with any of this drama, I just stumbled into this page from browsing Recent Changes, but after reading the comments on this Talk page, I don't see sufficient reason for his name to be removed. Beyond that, everything that can be said has been, it seems, and I'm admittedly a bit confused as to why this is still being debated.

There, it's not a tie anymore.
- [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:"''Is This Still Being Voted On?''." No, voting closed on July 9, 2008, sorry [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, just figured I'd do what I could to end this ridiculous discussion. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh, methinks it would not have ended even with the removal of the user's name,... Call it a hunch... =P [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Methinks you misread my comment, I'm opposed to removing his name, partly due to the reasons you allude to. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, was late, and I was tired [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== fc'08 ==

officially he was a gofer. while there he did numerous gofer duties, including helping with the setup and teardown of the art show hardware, helping with organization of the con-store, and generic door guard duties, where he mostly stood there across from me as i waved people in.
he was not a member of security staff.
--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK. The reason I put that there was that I've been at cons that tend to lump the "door guard" role together with that. I've changed it to just "gofer" for simplicity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've taken the liberty to set this shit straight considering I don't know how in the fucking hell you people know about every little mother fucking thing that I do in this shithole of a world. I volunteered at Further Confusion, and I plan to do it again and beat the ever loving shit out of every single one of you faggots that I meet there to get my point across that I'm sick of being listed here against my will and wishes and that you dickheads refuse to do your job and obey the request to remove my entire existence from this fucking site. I also volunteered at Califur 4, but signing up was as far as it went. I never did anything because I would've had to devote my entire time at the con in order to get my membership back, so it was hardly worth it considering it was three days long anyway.

::Are we fucking clear on this? STOP DOCUMENTING MY FUCKING LIFE AND REMOVE MY NAME OFF WIKIFUR NOW.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

== Use of edit counts in voting ==

It's easy to rack up edits when all you do is post on wikifur. My first edit may have been on here and the main reason I registered may have been because someone threw out my vote when it wasnt from a 'registered name'. The fact of the matter remains that there is only one specific portion of the fandom I'm involved in and thats the Gateway MUCK project and a few other MU*'s that arent Taps/FurryMUCK. Therefore I will probably never hit this magical '200 edit' mark where apparently someone's vote means something. It's also possible to rack up edits by small contributions. Finding out this makes me wish I had not bothered in the first place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me explain it this way: If you had to make a decision on Gateway MUCK policy, and the opinion was evenly split between people who had visited as anonymous users and then registered and maybe logged in once or twice for a few hours, and those who had spent years working on improving the MUCK, what would your decision be?

:We seek the input of all members of the fandom; but ultimately, if it's clear that the people who make this site work are unhappy with it, it's probably not the best decision to make. There is nothing magical about 200 edits - or the fact that the edit count was used at all. It was simply a way to demonstrate the great disparity between the involvement of the groups in WikiFur.

:The edit count also does not imply that these users are more heavily involved in the fandom as a whole - the majority of the heavier users' edits are not content modifications, but improvements to the style, formatting, spelling or grammar; or discussions of how to present and organize information. It '''does''' mean that these people are regular contributors to WikiFur, and therefore deserve a greater say in how it is run, other things being equal. It also increases the confidence that they have experience of similar discussions, and haven't decided (or been asked) to drop by to comment on a particular topic. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Snowdrift, if you haven't figured it out yet - Greenreaper and his buddies simply didn't want his name removed... so to get what they wanted they rigged the voting.

::Think about it - Spirou removed votes in favor of redaction, the other good old boys all sidded togthers, then non other than greenreaper himself changes the rules AFTER voting is complete, claiming only those votes from his nazi elite count, and nobody else matters.

::Greenreaper has shown that he's a spoiled little snob who will do whatever it tekse - fair or foul - to get his way, and the others who joined him in this farse are no better.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.155|75.8.39.155]] 09:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Judgement Rendered ==

Apologies to those for whom the action was left hanging. I was unavoidably detained without access to my computer, from the evening of the Fourth of July until very recently. In my judgement, the votes appear to be balanced. I have offered mercy of a sort in redacting Mozdoc's name; anyone may still find it in the edit history.

If anyone has a palpable reason to reinstate said name beyond it being "public record", then I won't stop them; but my own personal judgement has been offered in this matter, I have taken action to offer some forgiveness on my part, and I am DONE and MOVING ON. I encourage others to do so as well. I repeat my personal refusal to remove any other facts from the page, because it is sure that Mozdoc's reputation has been built brick by brick, and will have to be rebuilt, again brick by brick, if he wants anyone else involved in these matters to move on and give him a chance to be his own self again. Please note that this is not a victory, just an ending.

Thank you all for your time, thank you for participating. Please, everyone, let go of your anger and let the conflict end; I feel that there's no point dragging it out any further. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Though I don't see the vote as being "balanced" since it was screwed from the get go - Good show mate on standing for what's right. Count me as an ally ;)

John Cross
[[Special:Contributions/75.7.252.32|75.7.252.32]] 16:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for page removal, again.

The time is 8:40pm Pacific time 8/22/2008. Twenty-four hours from now, I'm going to remove this page completely as I've stressed before that I have ZERO desire to be here. I've stayed quiet, I've not bothered anybody, and so this seems just and fair to me that this article is removed and forgotten about.

--Mozdoc

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-19T02:33:24Z

Mozdoc:

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*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (May 2007 - June 2008)
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'''Older conversations have been archived. Please view the links on the right review old threads.'''

== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting tally (June 29th, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::sez findra: "(Mozdoc) was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff." I had been under the impression that a convention's "staff" includes ''everybody'' who works 'behind the scenes' to make a convention happen, be they full-fledged ConCom members or volunteer gophers or what. Stupid (albeit honest) question: Why ''isn't'' a "volunteer" considered to be part of a convention's "staff"? Is this just a traditional term of art, or what? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::A staff member at a convention is usually someone who is scheduled in advance, works in a specific department, and has a specific role laid out for them. Volunteers by comparison are just random folks who walk up and offer to help. They have no set commitment, and can put in as much or as little work as they like, and can work in different areas during the con. Volunteers who work a lot usually become staff members the following year. :-) At least, that's how the volunteer and staff system works at Anthrocon. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 3rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

:'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

:It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

:'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

:Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

::::I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

::::Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

::::::Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

::::::You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

::::::'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

::::::And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::'''CONCERN TROLL'''
:::::::"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

:::::::Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

:::::::Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

:::::::If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

:::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here for everyone to see. [[User:Hellkat9940|Hellkat9940]] 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed) ==

It seems that in regards to the removal of Mozdoc's real name, most of the people here are missing what should be very obvious - the fact that the removal of his real name would not be a permanent, "for all time" event.

Just because it is removed, does NOT mean that it could never be added again should he become overly aggressive once more. ALSO, if he DOES straighen out, such information could be further added to his artcile showing that fact. The opposite can also be true.

Ladies and Gentlemen, We have before us a golden opportunity to guide this individual into a better life. Shall we use it, or throw it away?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:On second thought, why bother. Nobody really cares anyway - if they did, a lot of what is going wrong in this day and age would not be happening.

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Can we get this over with please? ==

Or is the date going to just keep getting pushed back until theres enough to support an unfavorable result because its July 7th today and thats when the final decision was supposed to take place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 14:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:The decision closes on July 7th. Personally, I would have chosen the end of it for all time zones, but Siege is welcome to close the discussion at any time that they feel appropriate.

:If you have to rely on timing to ensure that you have a favourable response to the proposal, it rather brings into question your confidence of public support for the proposal. (I'm not too happy that we had to have a vote on this in the first place, rather than reaching a consensus on the best - any case where a significant proportion of the population feels we're doing the wrong thing is unfortunate.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article. No one added themselves to the persons against it, and no one decided to get off the fence and go for one side or the other. As far as I see it, this is fucking over. I'm getting my name off the article before this drags out another week because some moronic dumbass out there decides to bring up another excuse to drag it out even longer. I don't see why you can't all just agree to allow me to get the exclusion I ASKED for and get my name off of WikiFur ENTIRELY AS I WANT.
::--Mozdoc

:::sez Mozdoc: "As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article." No, there was not any such "advantage" -- not unless you know of any votes that were cast since the tally of 3 July 2008. Sure, the person signing themself as "Hellkat9940" offered their opinion on 7 July, but "Hellkat" did not go so far as to say "I vote to remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page". This leaves anybody but "Hellkat" unable to determine whether "Hellkat"'s position is "It's wrong, and I think it should be corrected," or "It's wrong, but I don't really care if it's corrected." As for the person who signed themself as "So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))", that's just AnthroSamurai under another pseudonym, and ''his'' (?) vote is already counted in the 3 July tally. So where's that "one or two vote advantage", Mozdoc? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Gee, it looks like you people are grasping for ANY EXCUSE to leave his name up on the article. Anyone with half a brain can see WHY Mozdoc is so pissed off at all of you - you're going out of your way to fuck with him.'''

::::'''You people are coming DANGEROURSLY CLOSE to making yet another deadly enemy - is that what you want?'''
::::'''And YOU Cubist, you better quit it with the childish shit before you get your ass paddled.'''

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthroSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

Deadlock. As some other users as suggested, we should put this already to rest (the proper way.) Contacting other registered (valid) users/Sysops by staff could be a solution, but (imho) this matter should be settled today [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: '''Why bother??? You KNOW that certain people will just dominate the situation and his name won't be removed either way. People are just using this as another means of messing with the guy to set him off.'''

: '''Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.'''

: [[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:: please enhance your calm anthrosamurai, lest ye be seen as no more than a troll who looses poorly. such would be bad for your cause.
:: i have remained quiet for a while now, however, i would like to say something now. yes, this should be closed. it has been going on for too long and some of the less mature among the ranks have started to show that immaturity. it will only devolve. however, at the same time, anything other than a verdict in their opinion favor will also be met with the same level of maturity. opinion, not fact, of which i hope i am wrong.
:: i would like to propose two things.
:: 1 - any future votes be restricted to established users. either side can easily find straw votes if we do not use that restriction.
:: 2 - preferably, we allow the admins themselves to make the decision, and no matter what it is, we agree to abide by it without complaint. their site, their decision. which is where it should have remained to begin with.
:: side note- i have edited anthrosamurai post above to provide proper indent format.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:::'''Here is what is going to happen.'''

:::Mozdoc's name will be removed for a period of one month.
:::If he starts further trouble, it will be re-added PERMANTLY, with no further consideration for it's removal.
:::What ELSE will happen... well, none of you really want to know.

:::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"''[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&diff=prev&oldid=203895 Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.]''"
::::*Users with the name [[RubberDuck]], [[Kong]], [[Blurrr]], and [[OneEyedWilley]] have not been found making any decisions (pro/con/neutral) about this vote presently. Will re-add their votes if they make their presence and/or wishes known.
::::*A quick inquiring note has been sent to users [[Cypher]], [[User:Hellcat9940|Hellcat9940]], and [[User:Duncan Wulfweards|Duncan Wulfweards]] to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes to the matter at hand.
::::[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Uh... I don't think that's your decision to make.
::::: And, I'm going to ask you again: knock it off with the [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AnthroSamurai&curid=40158&diff=203979&oldid=203919&rcid=212413 name calling] and [[Wikipedia:Incivility|general incivility]]. It is not helping things any. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Doug?

::::::'''F--- YOU'''

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 20:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING

BULLSHIT.

I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH.

I WAS SITTING HERE REFRESSING THE PAGE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER ACTIVITY GENERATED AFTER THAT TIME. THE VOTE WAS FINALIZED, THERE WAS NO MORE SHIT ON THE PAGE. I FUCKING WON AND NOW YOU LITTLE PUSSY FACED SHITFACED MOTHER FUCKING SACKS OF SLOPPY SHIT DECIDE TO GRASP AT WHATEVER MOTHER FUCKING STRAW YOU FUCKING CAN TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS *AGAIN*. FUCKING AGAIN. MOTHER FUCKING AGAIN.

KNOCK THIS FUCKING SHIT OFF! MY NAME IS TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FUCKING SITE IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS AGREED. LAST MINUTE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FUCKING VOTING ARE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THAT THIS WEBSITE AND ALL THE MORONIC DICKHEADS THAT RUN IT ARE BIASED AGAINST ME AND WILL DO NOTHING BY FUCK WITH THIS, FUCK WITH THAT, FUCK OVER THERE, FUCK OVER THERE, AND THEN FUCK EVERYTHING UP AFTER ITS SAID AND DONE.

YOU LITTLE DUMBSHIT ASSHOLES HAVE WASTED TWO WEEKS OF TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DONE WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN MY FAVOR THAT THIS VOTE WAS GOING AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO FUCKING LOOSE CAN YOU? WELL YOU HAVE. I FUCKING WON YOU LITTLE ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT. I FUCKING WON.

I WANT MY NAME REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

--Mozdoc
:sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH." 
:Really? There were ''seven'' votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Closure and explanation ===

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be '''kept''', for the following reasons:

* Only one person supporting removal is a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of edits outside this topic.
* Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. All had less than 200.
* Three of those opposing removal have two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits each.
* A comparison of edit counts gives a ratio of 40 to 1 for those opposing removal, without considering the relation of the edits to this article.

==== Supporting removal ====
*{{user|Mozdoc}}: 70 (100% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Michichael}}: 3 (two of which relate to Mozdoc)
*{{user|Rootdown}}: 79
*{{user|Hellkat9940}}: 1 (with two more as anon)
*{{user|SnowdriftGM}}: 8 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|AnthroSamurai}}: 153 (roughly 80% relating to this issue; currently blocked over insults)

'''Total:''' 314 edits

==== Opposing removal ====
*{{user|SpazKitty}}: 6454
*{{user|Findra}}: 22 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|DuncanDaHusky}}: 1232 + talk edits
*{{user|Ayukawataur}}: 197 (about 30% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Cubist}}: 37 (only 5 edits on this topic; unrelated prior edits)
*{{user|KendricksRedtail}}: 5666

'''Total:''' 13608 edits

I do not wish to devalue the views of those new to the site - their contributions are welcome and appreciated - but it is clear that those supporting removal do not represent regular editors, nor have they succeeded in swaying the opinion of these editors. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO.

This makes it six votes in my favor, FIVE in yours. My name should be removed. Look at the page history and tell me if I'm fucking wrong. I'm not. YOU ARE AND YOU'RE FIXING SHIT TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR TO JUST CONTINUOUSLY FUCK ME SO THAT I APPEAR TO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY YOU'RE FUCKING RULES AND HAVE MY NAME LISTED HERE WHEN I WANT EXCLUSION. How about just admitting fucking defeat and shutting the fuck up that for once YOU FUCKING LOST.

Get the hell over it and remove my name...NOW.

I would also like to add in the fact that there was NEVER ANYTHING SAID that people needed to have a certain number of edits to be fucking counted. If you're going to play this fucking game then I have every right to take your faggot asses to fucking court and demand removal of my existence from here. You're word that this would end, and obviously ended in my favor, breaks an agreement that was established here. Six to five in favor of removal of my name and yet you make up piss poor fucking excuses to keep it here citing stupid bullshit about the people who bothered to stand up against the little prick sacks of shit that run this site not having enough edits?

FUCK YOU. IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER HOW MANY EDITS A PERSON HAS. They participated in your fucking sick ass joke of a "community", and all they get is their support for me thrown out just because you think that it takes editing the fucking articles in here to be counted. I'm in agreeance with GreenReaper on this one that you are full of fucking shit and just grasping at whatever straws you can to have your fucking way and it isn't going to fucking happen. I ask that Kendrics be removed from this "voting" process and that my name be excluded from here, AS ASKED.

--Mozdoc
:sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I ''think'' [[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&oldid=139283 a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped '''2 May 2007''']] just ''might'' be relevant to your argument here... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

: It also does matter what placement a person has in the community, as if these particular members registered and started editing - or primarily edit articles relating to this conflict - as the people supporting removal do, then they could quite easily be people who registered primarily to sway the result of the vote and not to become a productive WikiFur member. They may have even been pressured into showing support without knowing the proper context of the debate. Add on to this that they don't even contribute enough to be considered representative of the community at large, and it's a very one sided battlefield here. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== UNJUST & DISHONORABLE ACTS ==

I think all wikifur users, and the fandom in general, should be made aware of the tactics and dirty tricks the site dictat - excuse me, ADMINISTRATORS - employ to get their way.

'''GREENREAPER''' - changing voting policy after the fact to support the underlings of his dictatorship.

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be kept, '''because only one of those supporting its removal is an unrelated party and a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of their edits outside of this topic,''' as opposed to four of those opposing its removal.
Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. Of those who had more, none had more than 200 edits, and only one was not mainly or solely involved with this situation.
Conversely, '''three of those opposing removal are WikiFur administrators with two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits,''' and one other editor also appears otherwise uninvolved with this conflict.
(These policies WERE NOT stated until AFTER voting was finished, and were used simply to gain an unfair advantage in favor of what he and his fellow controlers wanted.)

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'''SPIROU''' - removal of votes in favor of redaction, then claiming that he hadn't seen the votes and needed to "contact them to find out".

'''I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake.''' Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..
- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 (talk • contribs) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here''' for everyone to see. Hellkat9940 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick inquiring note has been sent to users Hellcat9940, and Duncan Wulfweards '''to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes''' to the matter at hand. Spirou 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(Duncan Wulfweards made it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that he was voting.... for redaction - Yet Spirou deleted his vote ANYWAY)

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CUBIST - General harrassment & support of dishonest actions by Spirou(re: vote deletion)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH."
Really? There were seven votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? Cubist 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I think [a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped 2 May 2007] just might be relevant to your argument here... Cubist 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(This voting was not in effect on May 2nd, '''2007''', so how can any such edit count towards offsetting Kendrick's voting AFTER the deadline?)

As for my not editing elsewhere, GREENREAPER conveniently leaves out certain facts in his desperate attempt to justify his dishonest and cowardly tactics.

As the situation now stands, wikifur itself is just as damaging to the reputation of the fandom as the perverts are.

[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 21:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:'''SHALL WE SHOOT-DOWN ANOTHER OF GREENREAPER'S LIES???'''

:AS USER "AnthroSamurai"

:20:44, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:20:20, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:20:13, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→IM contact) (top)

:20:11, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→IM and flames from this user)

:19:58, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:16:37, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008))

:16:33, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:16:33, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Dmuth‎ (Replacing page with 'Hey moron, I had removed it before you even finished sending the message. NOW, if you want to continue to garbage.... Well, let's just say you'll find out how evil I really a...')

:15:32, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc

:15:05, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (Removing all content from page)

:14:58, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

:14:55, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?: YOU PEOPLE AREN')

:14:46, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?)

:14:45, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Can we get this over with please?)

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:02:38, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote Tally, July 7th 2008 2130hrs)

:02:29, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Vote Tally, July 8th 2008 2130hrs: new section)

:02:28, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (Undo revision 203837 by KendricksRedtail (talk))

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:03:40, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed): new section)

:02:10, 7 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase: Move Findra's posts to keep things in chronological order - Findra, PLEASE don't post in the middle like that, it makes it too hard for people to read new posts.)

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:18:55, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????: DAMNIT - keep forgeting to sign the posts. :)))

:18:53, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:18:52, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Dispute with Cubist)

:18:42, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:18:21, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:18:06, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:17:32, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????)

:17:31, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:GreenReaper‎ (→What is wrong with Cubist????: new section)

:17:06, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:17:05, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:00:12, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Message 412) (top)

:00:12, 5 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:23:31, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:'''11:46, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Mother Nature's a pain in the a**)'''
:'''11:40, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Mother Nature's a pain in the a**) '''
:11:37, 4 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:'''00:12, 3 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:MySpace‎ (Created page with 'Ok, why are there entries for myspace, facebook, and other NON-FURRY RELATED sites on wikifur???????? [[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)')'''

:'''04:14, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Life immitates art (lol): new section)'''

:03:56, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:14:23, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:10:03, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) m Mozdoc‎

:09:47, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Mozdoc‎ ((best way to laugh is to make others laugh))

:22:48, 27 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:10:46, 25 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Removal of real name?)

:22:38, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:69.46.17.168‎ (Created page with '===lying as you did goes against what this country was founded on=== I do not know why you would edit my userpage to add such lies, and personally I do not care. If you have a ...') (top)

:'''22:32, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Reverting vandalism: new section) (top) '''

:02:40, 5 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?)

:'''04:59, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ '''

:'''04:21, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Add photo)'''

:'''04:04, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎'''

:02:57, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:02:28, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (Undo revision 197085 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:23:14, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Asylumfoxy714‎ (→Anons aren't so anon.: new section)

:15:19, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Request: new section)

:14:52, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?: new section)

:'''00:02, 28 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Hey, come on! He's more furry than all of us combined! lol) '''

:23:48, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Straitfox‎ (→Deletion)

:23:38, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Romanian & the IM: new section)

:23:34, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Didn't do it)

:'''23:29, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation: Deleted post - Rat's edite of my post made the whole thing pointless :() (top)'''

:23:25, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement)

:'''21:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)'''

:19:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Self defense)

:18:58, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?: clarify)

:17:36, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:17:27, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?)

:12:08, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:11:37, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)

:12:56, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement: new section)

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎ (Undo revision 197345 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad)

:11:19, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→Is there any proof?: new section)

:11:02, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→If you only had a brain :)): new section)

:10:58, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:10:43, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎

:19:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

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:16:59, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:16:50, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad: new section)

:16:46, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 197094 by Brushwell Clinton (talk)

:'''14:35, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎'''

:14:34, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Undo revision 195798 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Undo revision 196332 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

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:05:44, 23 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: There is no need for TWO links to the same place.)

:23:23, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest) (top)

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:'''22:56, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

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:'''04:38, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:'''07:07, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Upgrade tag to "NOVEL" - Story is at 56,947 words)'''

:'''07:03, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tabitha (story)‎ (Created page with '===Technically, no longer a "short story" === I just did a word count on all 13 chapters of this story - and it's broken out of the "short story" category.... at precicely 56,9...') (top) '''

:'''06:51, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Whoever considers 40,000 words to be a short story never had to type that many. :))) '''

:'''03:19, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removed "short story" tag)'''

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:'''03:16, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''20:05, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Removed "short story" tag: new section)'''

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:'''13:19, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina‎ (top)'''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ (top) '''

:'''15:33, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P)'''

:'''15:22, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P: new section)'''

:'''10:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:49, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:43, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:'''09:40, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:Lag650.GIF‎ (Saw this particular lag box '''on 05/16/08 at 0438... What can I say, I get goofy at that hour of the morning. :))) (top)'''

:'''08:16, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Update chapter #/date)'''

:'''08:11, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎ (Created page with 'An "underground" fan group of Eric W. Schwartz's skunkette character Sabrina, alleged to have been involved with pornagraphic, or yiff style artwork of the character.')'''

:'''01:19, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:01:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

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:'''23:17, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''23:16, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?: new section)'''

:18:20, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal Issues)

:14:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions)

:14:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions: new section)

:12:55, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:05, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest: new section)

:11:50, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues)

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:'''09:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''09:43, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:09:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:09:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux: Sorry, lol - couldn't resist (read before reverting please - you'll laugh))

:'''08:09, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tales from the Reservation‎ (top)'''

:'''08:02, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:07:49, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:06:07, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:'''05:32, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''05:30, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''05:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''05:19, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎'''

:'''05:10, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:AS USER 75.7.254.145‎

:02:37, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion)

:11:17, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:'''04:11, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Fix screw-up.) '''

:'''04:09, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Add info on issues) '''

:'''03:48, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:39, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:31, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

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:'''03:12, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''12:20, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''08:36, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:49, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:40, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation'''

:'''06:39, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''06:09, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:58, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:56, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Author's email added (Insert evil grin here))'''

:'''16:32, 9 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Jason Dahlen‎ (→External links: Added his newest site) (top)'''

:SO, as anyone other than the flunkies can see, I did not come to this sight solely for Mozdoc - I did not even know who he was before all of this. Nor are my posts solely in defense of Mozdoc - as I have threatened to conk his and Ayuka's (along with anyone else) heads together.

:And Limey? Next time you want to make claims about me, at least do your homework first ;)

:[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I stand by my statement - roughly 80% of your edits relate to this case. My point was not that you were a supporter as Mozdoc, nor that you came to this site at his bidding - merely that you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views, and so in a tiebreaker situation, the views of more experienced editors should prevail. I discounted Findra's opinion for the same reason, and their view was opposed to yours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::'''you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views'''

::Look junior, The fact that you keep going on about "EDITING EXPERIENCE" while shoving aside ACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience, and insisting on lying when you have been caught red-handed (Your own comments prove such) makes you look like a total buffoon.

::I would suggest you correct your dishonesty.... but you and I both know that you won't - you would rather lie, manipulate, change rules, and generally screw with people. The only way you will change is if you get your ass kicked by the fandom - and to that end I have already emailed and/or otherwise posted the above over 250 times to various people, groups, and sites.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]]

:::I vote for removing his name, The longer we all drag this on, the longer it will go on. I think mozdoc will go away if we just leave him alone. {{unsigned|Germanshepherd}}

::::A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''GREENREAPER: "A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway." '''

:::::So yet ANOTHER excuse for your dishonest actions? I suppose next you will claim you didn't want to do it, but one of the other admins (or maybe Ayuka) MADE you. ;)

:::::Had you and the others played fair and not used this as yet another means of messing with the guy, then even if the decission had been against people like myself would have stuck up for you. HOWEVER, since you played dirty, you can expect the same right back at you.

:::::Give it up, junior - You got busted cheating, plain and simple. And your dishonesty in this is going to be known all across cyberspace.

:::::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 05:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is This Still Being Voted On? ==

If this is still being voted on, count me as a vote opposed to removing Mozdoc's name from the article. I'm not involved with any of this drama, I just stumbled into this page from browsing Recent Changes, but after reading the comments on this Talk page, I don't see sufficient reason for his name to be removed. Beyond that, everything that can be said has been, it seems, and I'm admittedly a bit confused as to why this is still being debated.

There, it's not a tie anymore.
- [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:"''Is This Still Being Voted On?''." No, voting closed on July 9, 2008, sorry [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, just figured I'd do what I could to end this ridiculous discussion. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh, methinks it would not have ended even with the removal of the user's name,... Call it a hunch... =P [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Methinks you misread my comment, I'm opposed to removing his name, partly due to the reasons you allude to. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, was late, and I was tired [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== fc'08 ==

officially he was a gofer. while there he did numerous gofer duties, including helping with the setup and teardown of the art show hardware, helping with organization of the con-store, and generic door guard duties, where he mostly stood there across from me as i waved people in.
he was not a member of security staff.
--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK. The reason I put that there was that I've been at cons that tend to lump the "door guard" role together with that. I've changed it to just "gofer" for simplicity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty to set this shit straight considering I don't know how in the fucking hell you people know about every little mother fucking thing that I do in this shithole of a world. I volunteered at Further Confusion, and I plan to do it again and beat the ever loving shit out of every single one of you faggots that I meet there to get my point across that I'm sick of being listed here against my will and wishes and that you dickheads refuse to do your job and obey the request to remove my entire existence from this fucking site. I also volunteered at Califur 4, but signing up was as far as it went. I never did anything because I would've had to devote my entire time at the con in order to get my membership back, so it was hardly worth it considering it was three days long anyway.

Are we fucking clear on this? STOP DOCUMENTING MY FUCKING LIFE AND REMOVE MY NAME OFF WIKIFUR NOW.

--Mozdoc

Mozdoc

2008-07-19T02:30:13Z

Mozdoc:

'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (real name: '''Jeremy Quentin Wetzel''') is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He resides in California, U.S.A.

Mozdoc has assisted as a [[Wikipedia:gofer|gofer]] at [[Further Confusion 2008]].<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 Analysis of Mozdoc at FC 08] - [[Ayukawataur]] (30 January 2008)</ref>

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into the account of [[Argon Hamilton|Argon]] (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper. <ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent ban. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He was also banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

As of May 2007, Mozdoc has been unbanned from FurryMUCK.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref>

Both Kacey and Noriko were named as protected parties on the TRO. This prohibited Mozdoc from having any contact with Ayukawataur and he was banned from [[FurBid]] as Noriko believed him using her system would inevitably result in contact. When the TRO expired in Novemeber of 2005, Ayukawataur reviewed his constant attempts to covertly use the system. She decided at that time to not restore his access. He was unbanned in September 2007, but re-banned a month and a half later.<ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/59999.html mr. mozdoc] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (September 23, 2007)</ref><ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/64078.html mozdoc reloaded] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (November 13, 2007)</ref> At this time there is no projected date to review his status.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by Fur Affinity administration. [[Dragoneer]] stated in May 2008 that Mozdoc was "permanently banned from Fur Affinity and all of its services. That ban will not be lifted."<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666 Re: Unban Me From FurAffinity And Start Answering My Messages]. May 13, 2008 post by [[Dragoneer]] to Fur Affinity forums. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums,<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref> including [[Bernard Doove]]'s LiveJournal.<ref>January 4, 2007 anonymous comments, signed Mozdoc, in [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html Happy New Year!] LiveJournal post. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.{{fact}} [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.

== References ==
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== External links ==
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* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)
* [http://mozdocalicentaur.deviantart.com/ mozdocalicentaur] on [[deviantART]] (banned)

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