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User talk:Mix

2022-10-22T03:58:40Z

Mix: Replaced content with "purge."

purge.

User:Mix

2022-10-22T03:52:51Z

Mix:

Go yiff yourself!

Cell: 1-773-606-5408

User:Mix

2022-10-22T03:52:19Z

Mix:

Go yiff yourself!

Mix

2022-10-22T03:49:47Z

Mix:

no. no redirects. nothing. this name belongs to me. Mix is my identity. PURGE THE FUCKING ARCHIVE https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Mix_(person)/Archive1 I'VE BEEN DEMANDING THIS FOR 20 FUCKING YEARS.

GREENREAPER CALLED ME A NAZI IN IRC CHAT. YOUR ADMINS HAVE SLANDERED ME FOR 20 YEARS AND PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED ME. STOP THIS SHIT NOW. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE. PURGE ALL THIS SHIT AND LOCK THIS ARTICLE.

~Mix.

Talk:Mix

2022-10-22T03:48:39Z

Mix:

User talk:Mix

2018-09-27T05:00:19Z

Mix:

LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE
I DONT WANT TO BE MENTIONED ON YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE
IVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE 2005
FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING RULES
I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE
ITS MAKING ME SUICIDAL
DELETE EVERYTHING
ITS NOT FUCKING IMPORTANT THAT I WORE A FUCKING TSHIRT TO A FUCKING CONVENTION
YOU ALL ARE BULLIES
ALL OF YOU
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE MY FUCKING ARCHIVES OR I WILL COME AFTER YOU AND BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS IN REAL LIFE
IM SICK OF THIS SHIT
LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

User:Mix

2018-09-27T05:00:09Z

Mix: LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE I DONT WANT TO BE MENTIONED ON YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE IVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE 2005 FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING RULES I DONT WA

User talk:GreenReaper

2018-09-27T04:59:08Z

Mix: DELETE ME AND ALL THE FUCKING INFO ABOUT ME AND THE ARCHIVES OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE 13 FUCKING YEARS I'VE DEMANDED THIS LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE

DELETE ME AND ALL THE FUCKING INFO ABOUT ME AND THE ARCHIVES OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

13 FUCKING YEARS I'VE DEMANDED THIS

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE

User:GreenReaper

2018-09-27T04:58:35Z

Mix: Replaced content with "DELETE ME AND ALL THE FUCKING INFO ABOUT ME AND THE ARCHIVES OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE 13 FUCKING YEARS I'VE DEMANDED THIS LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE"

DELETE ME AND ALL THE FUCKING INFO ABOUT ME AND THE ARCHIVES OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

13 FUCKING YEARS I'VE DEMANDED THIS

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE

User talk:Spirou

2018-09-27T04:51:16Z

Mix: /* LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY */ new section

<div style="float:right; border:2px solid #bbbbbb; width:150px;">
<center>'''Discussion Pages'''</center>
*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (August 2005 - October 2006)
*[[/Archive2|Archive 2]] (October 2006 - January 2007)
*[[/Archive3|Archive 3]] (January 2007 - September 2007)
*[[/Archive4|Archive 4]] (September 2007 - February 2008)
*[[/Archive5|Archive 5]] (February 2008 - September 2009)
*[[/Archive6|Archive 6]] (March 2010 - April 2010)
*[[/Archive7|Archive 7]] (April 2010 - May 2011)
*[[/Archive8|Archive 8]] (May 2011 - September 2011)
*[[/Archive9|Archive 9]] (October 5, 2011 - October 14, 2012)
*[[/Archive10|Archive 10]] (October 15, 2012 - May 2013)
*[[/Archive11|Archive 11]] (June 4, 2013 - May 8, 2015)
*[[/Archive12|Archive 12]] (May 18, 2015 - August 16, 2018‎)
</div>
Please leave message for me by editing this page below the break, I will leave a reply for you later here and/or on your own page.
* ('''Older conversations have been archived. Please view the links on the right to review old threads.''')
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== LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY ==

LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

I DONT WANT TO BE MENTIONED ON YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

IVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE 2005

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING RULES

I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE

ITS MAKING ME SUICIDAL

DELETE EVERYTHING

ITS NOT FUCKING IMPORTANT THAT I WORE A FUCKING TSHIRT TO A FUCKING CONVENTION

YOU ALL ARE BULLIES

ALL OF YOU

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE MY FUCKING ARCHIVES OR I WILL COME AFTER YOU AND BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS IN REAL LIFE

IM SICK OF THIS SHIT

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

== LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY ==

LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

I DONT WANT TO BE MENTIONED ON YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

IVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS SINCE 2005

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING RULES

I DONT WANT TO BE ON HERE

ITS MAKING ME SUICIDAL

DELETE EVERYTHING

ITS NOT FUCKING IMPORTANT THAT I WORE A FUCKING TSHIRT TO A FUCKING CONVENTION

YOU ALL ARE BULLIES

ALL OF YOU

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE MY FUCKING ARCHIVES OR I WILL COME AFTER YOU AND BEAT YOUR FUCKING ASS IN REAL LIFE

IM SICK OF THIS SHIT

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE

User talk:Spirou

2018-09-27T04:51:14Z

Mix: /* LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS AND ARCHIVES OF ME OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY */ new section

Talk:Mix (person)

2018-09-27T04:45:22Z

Mix: LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

Something Awful

2018-09-27T04:40:13Z

Mix: LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

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'''Something Awful''', also known simply as '''SA''', is a [[W:comedy|comedy]] website hosting a variety of content, including [[W:Blog|blog]] entries, [[forum]]s, feature articles, digitally edited pictures, and humorous media reviews. Since its inception, the website has helped to perpetuate various [[W:Internet phenomenon|Internet phenomena]], and has been cited as an influence on [[W:Internet culture|Internet culture]]. It was created by and is operated by [[Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka]].

Forum members, also known as [[Goon]]s, range from teens to adults, [[artist]]s to [[writer]]s, and gamers.

== Something Awful and furry ==

Some of its users hold up the perceived SA tradition{{fact}} of mocking the [[furry fandom]], including pranks, organized [[trolling]], and individual harassment of users themselves in places such as [[LiveJournal]], message-boards, and various [[furry]] websites.

While the administrators of the SA forums do not officially condone the actions taken,{{fact}} and that they almost never take any action unless legal action could be directed towards SA itself, many goons take it upon themselves to troll social media, personal and furry media websites, and/or their forums.

It should be noted that since the meme of Trolling furries has become somewhat passé, there have been increasing numbers of Furry fans that have taken to participating in the SA forums themselves. their motives are unknown, but considering the primarily humorous nature of the site itself, one can only guess that it's for entertainment. When pressed about their choice to participate, most users tend to respond with "it's just an internet forum." Furries that are discovered are usually called out in "Helldump", a subforum used to contain mockery and call-outs of other Something Awful users. Helldump was eventually shut down in 2009.

* [[SALJ]], or "[[Something Awful]] LiveJournal", was a LiveJournal community which trolled pretty much all of LiveJournal. From auto-erotic asphyxiation communities to [[zoophile]] communities, they attacked them all. While not the main focus, one thing they did attack were other furry communities.
* SA [[IRC]] - In late 2004, when the [[SALJ]] LiveJournal community was still around, many users of the community congregated in an [[IRC]] channel. They organized an attack on a channel on FurNet called #dragonyiff. What happened was enormous amounts of spam with constant barrages of various catch-phrases from the [[Something Awful]] forums. The users, however, when everything calmed down, blamed it on [[Sibe]].
* The Awful Link of the Day - The Awful Link of the Day is a daily feature of Something Awful where a particularly awful web page is located and showcased. The websites featured range between horrendously created Tripod websites or the most bizarre of the bizarre forums on the Internet, and sometimes a random furry artist's website or community, such as [[Vorarephilia|vore]] or [[babyfur]], will pop up as the target. Furry-themed websites have been part of the Awful Link of the Day nearly since the site's inception.

: ''[http://homepages.go.com/~tomfoxx/ The Foxx's Den] (down, [http://web.archive.org/web/20000617060945/homepages.go.com/~tomfoxx/indecks.html archived]) - Since I'm currently at a loss to explain this page (yes, it appears to only be one page), I'll just copy the description that was included in the email: "[[Gay]] [[anime]] boy goes to fantastical online make-believe land, becomes a gay [[humanoid]] [[fox]] creature, falls in love with fellow humanoid fox creature, takes care of baby [[dragon]]s, and puts bad midi music on an already bad site. I think it's about some guy's [[roleplay]]ing character, but I'm not sure."''

The page is long gone. Tom's site was more or less hammered with a combination of hits and hate mail in his guest book. The incident sparked allegations that the site ops were picking on furries because they were gay. [[Lowtax]], the person responsible for the selection, stated that he chose the page because ''"it appeared to be written by a spastic 10 year old with ADD who was obsessed with becoming a magical humanoid fox and marrying another guy fox. If that's not a ripe candidate for an Awful Link, God help me, I don't know what is."'' He added: ''"And to all you furry-lovers out there: you can defend and rationalize and explain the act of pretending to be animals so you can have online sex with people all you want. The fact is that it makes for some hilarious websites, and prime ALOD links. If you don't want people making fun of your abnormal sexual fetishes, DON'T MAKE THEM PUBLIC."''

=== Conventions ===
[[File:Sawarning.jpg|right|thumb|User's recollection of the original poster (somewhat inaccurate)]]
* Texas Furry Con 2004 - A newer SA forum user{{who}} started a post detailing her first visit to a furry convention (Texas Furry Con), then decided it wasn't for her.{{fact}} She left a picture of a detailed pineapple hand-grenade which stated, "WE ARE WATCHING."

The image above is a recollection of what the initial poster assumed she had left drawn again. The original displayed was left laying around in the dealers room and was given to con staff. The actual drawing had the grenade standing vertically, said "We are watching you!" and did not have the SA insignia anywhere. At the time, staff were perplexed and, although the logo of Something Awful is a hand-grenade, it was not a universally recognized symbol of the website at the time of incident. Equally, this hotel was right across the street from Bergstrom International Airport. Had the drawing identified itself as coming from SA, it would have been seen as harmless.

Later, SA member [[Vorpal Bunny]], a resident of Texas, attended the convention wearing a shirt that said "L33T LIEK JEFFK", and had a URL to the website. After being tipped off by furry and SA goon [[Labinnah]], the con staff proceeded to catch and detain Vorpal Bunny and his pack of friends, attempting to force them to stay until they signed a form which stated they would not release anything to the Internet. This, of course, didn't happen.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20050311035405/http://www.viewfromuphere.com/writings/000122.php ]</ref>

Video of the incident can be found [http://www.nothingkat.com/confession/somethingtexas/bust.zip here]. Also of interest is an opinion article on the matter at [[nothingkat]]'s [[nothingkat.com|website]], ''[http://www.nothingkat.com/confession/somethingtexas.htm Something Awful In Texas]''.

* [[Feral!]] 2004 - A forum user{{who}} posted about his "ninja infiltration" to a furry convention out in the woods. Sneaking around the camp area, he placed numerous paper flags with the Something Awful logo on various cars. In the thread he posted, he was ridiculed by the other forum goons for "having no life."{{fact}}

On July 16th, 2000, the web page of [[Tom Foxx]] was given the "Awful Link of the Day" treatment:

=== WikiFur ===

On August 15, 2005, WikiFur was invaded by goons from Something Awful only a few days after the project had been announced. Despite the disclaimer contained in the (archived, archives account required for view) [http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1642602 initial thread] in the Something Awful Forums ("''DISCLAIMER: DO NOT INVADE THIS SHIT YOU FUCKERS. YOU KNOW THAT'S AGAINST THE RULES. JUST POINT AND LAUGH''",) vandalism ramped up when the link to the site was chosen as the SA ''Awful Link of the Day'' on the same day.

At one point, pages were being maliciously edited every 45 seconds. However, the actions of Something Awful increased the visibility of WikiFur. This attracted more legitimate users than SA vandals.

:''[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]: As they say, the only bad publicity is no publicity!''

=== The "Furry Concentration Camp" ===
[[Image:FurSACCold.jpg|thumb|right|Initial badge design]]
[[Image:FurSACCnew.png|thumb|right|Final badge design]]
In January 2003, [[JJcoolJ]], a now ex-forum member and somewhat excommunicated from the furry community, organized users from the now defunct #safurs channel on FurNet to spam an internal forum called "FYAD," or "Fuck You and Die" with furry porn.

[[Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka|Lowtax]], after getting rather annoyed with having the obtuse-humored sub-forum filled with even more horrendous furry spam, created the Furry Concentration Camp, a sub-forum which acted much like FYAD, but disconnected furries from the main forum, with the apparent intent to discourage furries from spamming the site with unrelated and offensive images and other memes.

The furries who spammed -- and many others who didn't, but were labeled anyway for humorous effect, such as user Procrasturbator -- were placed in this sub-forum if deemed to be incredibly annoying. It also proved to be a place where members of FYAD could come in and ridicule other furries for their own humor. For identification purposes, a "Furry Badge" was tacked to their "Sigs." Many non-furry and furry members of the forum found this highly amusing as, as expected, there were endless pages of funny, dramatic and venting posts.

However, after a few months, the furry goons took the forum for themselves and turned it into their own "Furry FYAD." Much to the disturbance of SA forum regulars, [[Sibe]], under an alias on an account purchased by JJcoolJ and several other furries began to post their collections of furry porn there. In mid-summer [[Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka|Lowtax]] deleted the forum. Sibe and several of the furries participating in the furry concentration camp were later banned for being both spammers and annoying, disregarding moderator warnings and administration rulings against such behavior.

=== #safurs ===
<nowiki>#safurs</nowiki> was an [[IRC]] channel on [[FurNet (IRC)|FurNet]] started by a [[furry|fur]] named [[Jazzy]] (SA forum handle JJcoolJ). While on the SA forums, on various occasions-- mainly in the [[furry porn game]] when it came around in FYAD-- he would advertise the [[IRC]] network as well as the channel.

The channel became popular and well-known among the SA community when the Furry Concentration Camp (see above) was created. Many [[trolls]], [[goon]]s, other furries and [[anti-furries]] alike began to visit, stick around to chat, harass the users for being furries or use the channel as a make-shift portal to troll other channels on the IRC network.

In late 2003/early 2004, [[Snowpony]], an administrator of FurNet deemed Jazzy unstable and therefore unable to keep administrating his channel. Forcibly, ownership was passed on to [[Bobby]] (aka [[Squnq]]). After getting bored, Bobby passed the channel on to [[Verix]].

At this point, the FurNet administration stated their belief in other users utilizing <nowiki>#safurs</nowiki> as a doorway to [[trolling]] other channels on the network. Snowpony began monitoring the channel by idling and logging. Annoyed, the users of <nowiki>#safurs</nowiki> took on a rule of "no idling," which was typically only enforced on Snowpony, and [[Wikipedia:kickban|kick-banned]] Snowpony from the channel. Flustered, Snowpony used her administrative powers to unban herself and rejoin the channel, only to have it happen again. She then proceeded to ''akill'' those who had removed her from the channel and rejoined.

For a few days after this, <nowiki>#safurs</nowiki> began to mock and taunt Snowpony constantly, perpetually kick-banning her every time she joined the channel, causing another round of [[Wikipedia:akill|akills]] and rejoins to occur. Another admin, [[Simba (puppeteer)|Simba]] caught wind of this and began to look into the situation between Snowpony and this IRC channel. Believing that Snowpony was out of line with her actions, in a rather infamous display of quitting her administrative job of FurNet, turned the tables and akilled Snowpony.

The channel is now inhabited and run by furries of the [[South Australian Furry Community]].

=== Furry "Goons" ===

A "[[furry]] [[goon]]" is someone who is actively involved with both the Something Awful Forums and the Furry Community. Being a furry is technically a bannable offense on SA, but enforcement is uneven. Several older SA furs have been given official immunity to being banned for it, the most well-known example of which is [[Doodles (California)|Doodles]]. Other open furries who post on non-furry topics are very seldom banned. Closeted furries who are outed by others are sometimes banned depending on the subforum, mod whim and degree of perceived deviance. Open furries who spark drama about it are always banned, as are closeted furries who out themselves.

== See also ==

* [[W:Something Awful|Something Awful]] on Wikipedia

== References ==
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== External links ==

* [http://forums.somethingawful.com/dictionary.php SA's SAclopedia] Built dictionary, with many terms related to furry fandom. (Registration required)

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User talk:Mix

2018-09-27T04:39:10Z

Mix: Undo revision 500069 by Spirou (talk)

LEAVE ME AND ALL EDITS OFF YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE ALREADY

Talk:Mix (person)/Archive1

2018-09-25T19:25:14Z

Mix: keep me off your fucking website. you are all fucking liars. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND OUT OF YOUR LIFE!

User:Mix

2018-09-25T19:23:43Z

Mix:

Leave me alone.

I want full exclusion from this website including history and discussions.

User talk:Mix

2018-09-25T19:22:14Z

Mix: I DEMANDED FULL EXCLUSION IN 2005 AND YOU STILL HARRASS ME ABOUT IT

Something Awful

2018-09-25T19:19:29Z

Mix: EXCLUDE ME COMPLETELY FROM YOUR DAMN WEBSITE - I AM TIRED OF BEING HARASSED AFTER 13 YEARS WHEN I DEMANDED EXCLUSION - STOP MENTIONING ME EVER

Talk:Mix (person)/Archive1

2018-09-25T19:16:16Z

Mix: /* DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE */

If this article is causing so much drama, how about you just delete the dammed thing? [[User:69.160.28.78|69.160.28.78]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE ==

DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE AND HISTORY

I TOLD YOU FUCKS TO DELETE IT A DECADE AGO

ITS STILL CAUSING ME ISSUES

FUCKING DELETE IT AND STOP BULLYING ME ABOUT PAST SHIT THAT'S MADE UP AND LIED ABOUT

13 FUCKING YEARS?

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE EVERYTHING ABOUT ME

Talk:Mix (person)/Archive1

2018-09-25T19:15:30Z

Mix: Replaced content with " If this article is causing so much drama, how about you just delete the dammed thing? 69.160.28.78 14:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC) == DELETE THIS FUCKI..."

If this article is causing so much drama, how about you just delete the dammed thing? [[User:69.160.28.78|69.160.28.78]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE ==

DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE

I TOLD YOU FUCKS TO DELETE IT A DECADE AGO

ITS STILL CAUSING ME ISSUES

FUCKING DELETE IT AND STOP BULLYING ME ABOUT PAST SHIT THAT'S MADE UP AND LIED ABOUT

13 FUCKING YEARS?

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE EVERYTHING ABOUT ME

Talk:Mix (person)/Archive1

2018-09-25T19:13:37Z

Mix: /* DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE */ new section

This article's tone needs to be improved. It's fine for a user page, but not a main article. I know what you're trying to say, Mix, but that's best put on your user page, not the article page. I'll leave it as is, but please, work on the tone a bit.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I've marked for SpD as there is little to extract from this article if it was cleaned up. And since the writer is not registered, it can't be moved to a user page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:14, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I figured we could have at least given him the oppurtunity to create and transfer this to a user page.. that's what I was suggesting. But yeah, SpD is just as safe a bet as this is likely a drive by.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I gave it a once-over and snipped out the worst of it, and my edit is as follows. I placed it here because I am not quite sure what you're supposed to do when editing pages with delete templates on them. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]][[User:Xax|?]]

== 'NPOV' revision, first draft ==
Mix is a retired furry and SA good, friends with [[Verix]] and [[Fredryk Fox]]. He still loves to hang out with the group in Chicago, meet new friends in the furry fandom, but he is a [[were]] not a [[furry]]. A [[werehyenataur]], to be exact. Part [[Wikipedia:Thylacine|thylacine]] as well.

Mix has stated that he has issues with organized religion, most importantly Christianity. His hatred towards all religion has had him to believe in a philosophy of spirits and polar energy, though still open-minded towards all other philosophical debates. He then relates his own philosophy to transformations and physical shifting, though he has his doubts.

Mix has a knack for his sketchbook, stating that no one may draw in it if they intend to 'sign' their work. He says, "Artwork is supposed to capture a person's soul, '''not''' their signature," claiming that signatures make the work totally abstract.

Mix claims to be more of a Communist/Fascist sort of mind-set. Though he is more of a white-supremacist, he gives every person he meets a chance to prove themselves to him as being a well established, mannered, or cool character. His opposing views quote Mix in saying, "If they act like one, I'll call them one..." He blames racial-stupidity-creating-stereotypes on genetics and improper parenting and surroundings.

Mix is a very generous person. He's been a [[super-sponsor]] for the past years that he attended [[Anthrocon]], volunteering as well.

:Good rewrite, I'll move this on to the main article. For future reference, if you can 'save' an article by doing this, feel free to delete the SpD and replace with the tidy version. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:35, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Anthrocon 2005 Section ==

This section has been reinserted for editing by [[User talk:67.176.137.5|User 67.176.137.5]] who is the subject of this article. It has been marked dubious until the facts have been established. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I can tell you that I personally saw him at AC 2005 walking around with an 8mm video camera. He also stopped by by the Operations Office on Monday morning while I was present, asked some question, then yelled "SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM" and ran out. He is most *definitely* a goon. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 10:07, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Please see my comment in [[Talk:Something Awful]] about the term "goon". --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:06, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Whether he is, is not, or ever was an SA goon, certain facts stand: I saw him at Anthrocon with the camera in question, wearing the shirt in question. These facts should not be deleted. (And gosh, just because he was wearing an SA shirt and shouting about the site, how could anyone have ''possibly'' jumped to the conclusion the he's an SA goon?)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 08:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Mix stopped by Ops on Monday (at AC2005) and asked us if we wanted "I <3 VCL" buttons. And he gave us some, which I thought was nice of him. I had actually seen him wandering around several times doing his SA routine, and although I don't think it was a particularly smart idea (because wearing a Something Awful shirt carries the same stigma as wearing a [[Burned Furs|Burned Fur]] shirt), I also don't think he was intending to be malicious. I know he was carrying the video camera around, but AFAIK he never posted any video to SA. He's apologized and seems genuinely sorry; I certainly can't fault him for that... everyone makes mistakes. And although I'm not fond of SA, I'm also not fond of setting people up to be scapegoats. Here's hoping everyone comes out of this a little wiser. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

~Trying to crank out digital film from 8mm is the same as turning a steam engine train into an electric. It's 'possible' but costs tons of money to do, and LOTS of time. Besides, I promised everyone that it was for my own personal happyness and use. I don't see furs taken aside and warned to keep their stuff off SA. *shrug* Maybe I was just poking fun at why furried hate them so much and get so overdramatic like it's a big thing that needs to be in furry history as Greenreaper said. Personally, i find that what I did at AC was not malicious in anyways, moreso just plain generous, and that creating a spot on this website is irrelevant data and a waste of space that should be ignored and deleted. Look at it from the veiw as to how others see you. If you go around at an anime convention with a shirt that says 'I like furries', a few people will think that you are repulsive and assume that you are one, some will think you are crazy for admiring them, some will like you, and some will not even know what the hell you are talking about; but I doubt they will talk endlessly about how they saw some kid at the convention wearing a 'I like furries' T-shirt. Same happened to me at AC. Some thought I was a goon, some thought I was idiotic for liking their humour, some thought I was cool (especially for having the guts for wearing the shirt (this included a guy named Tim Albee)), and some/most didn't even know what the website was about. I can't beleive that you guys are making me this rudely 'infamous' character for the fact that I simply wore a T-shirt to a convention, and acted like a nice guy during my stay. I've seen the video for Texas Furcon 2004, and thank god I didn't have my car at AC... o.o... you guys went nuts in that video.

Personal message to Mix. It happened, you did it. "The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on. Not all thy piety nor wit shall move it back to cancel one half line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it". If you're genuinely sorry for what you did, I'm sure that anyone reasonable will appreciate your apologies. But _don't_ try and expunge the incident from the record. If you don't want it mentioned here, I would suggest you just ask for exclusion. It _is_ what you're known for in the fandom, after all. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 12:00, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

For Mix, I have to wonder if you're kind of missing the point here. The encyclopedia entries are meant to be a record of fact. They're not about whether the actions were good or bad, or what effect they have on one's image, or the image of the fandom. Think of it as a collaborative documentation project. If a concensus is reached, well and good, if not, then the site seems scrupulous about reporting all points of view. -Ostrich! <")

:I was under the impression that [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone|WikiFur is not imtended to hurt anyone]]. Factuality is not our only criterion. What we write should be factual, but we an not thus obliged to write everything. If Mix states that he feels this is hurtful to him, I'd favor just letting it go. We should be recording the history worth recording; I personally won't shed any tears to see less immortalization of SA here while there's so much fading art history to conserve. -- {{UT|Sebkha}} 13:45, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Unforchantly, deciding what 'deserves' to go in is not yet a policy I think we have. Nor would I personally want one as any and all facts are worth recording IMHO. Either way, I have clearly stated facts and opinion now so this issue should be considered resolved. Any further blanking of the article will lead to those users getting longer blocks. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I understand your point, Sebkha, but at the same time I think it's worthy of note that Mix is a known "problem child" for multiple furry conventions. Whether he feels it is hurtful or not, his behavior is a matter of record, and therefore a part of the history of furry fandom, just as interactions with SA are a part of the history of furry fandom. I think including the bad with the good helps to provide context for the fandom overall, and as time goes on will provide as accurate a picture of the fandom as possible.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::~I've never done anything 'bad' at furry or anime conventions. What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Can you IM me or something about why you keep saying this? Hell, I support the charities, super-sponsor at times when I have money to spare, and I ALWAYS volunteer. Which conventions do you speak of? (Tell me on messenger though, not on here, I WANT to know 'the rumours')

:::From YOUR Policy & guidelines page:

::::''Excluding people entirely''
::::''Some people do not want information about them to be present in WikiFur. Some have retired from the furry fandom and want nothing to do with it, others feel it is too likely that people who do not like them will post information about them. This should not be abused to censor certain information but not other information: if the information is valid but the person concerned still does not want it posted, then it is probably best to just offer them the option of blanking their page entirely.''

:::( I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website.)

:::The 'question' I asked on monday to SnowPony and everyone else was if the wanted some free 'I (heart) VCL' buttons that I was passing out to everyone at the con, I think only one person wanted one in the room...

:::I'm really a nice guy, I don't deserve this. You guys say that if I don't want it mentioned, it shouldn't be mentioned. Why are you guys trying so hard to see that it does remain a stain on me? It wasn't intentional.

:::Look: http://www.livejournal.com/users/taren_/122902.html

:::There's about 100 posts about that shit now in other LJs from the LAFF list, and guess what, it's all rumours and assumptions made from this wikifur junk.
:::Thanks to this website, I can be possibly kicked out of my apartment (I'm scared because a fur owns it, and he doesn't like me much because of what he read on here I think), I'm losing old friends and potential friends, because everyone wants to bitch about me doing nothing else but 'wearing a shirt to a convention' Can you smell the drama that just has to be here for some reason?

:::I am trembling/possible suicide feelings. Again: I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website. Take ANY mention of me and my actions off this website. Please...

:::If you don't, well, I'll just deem the furry culture a bunch of jerks that crave drama for the rest of my life I guess. But I won't stop fighting for information about me to be deleted off this website!

::::Actions carry consequences. Do not even TRY to pretend that you're somehow a "victim" here. Let this be a learning experience and change how you act in the future. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:55, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't an action at all. Just because I wore a damn t-shirt means that I have to face this and endless rumours about this? I acted good at your convention, I was a super-sponsor, a volunteer, I don;'t need to be treated like this. No one seriously needs this information!!! Follow your policies of your website! I am not a furry, I am not a goon, I do not want anything posted about me on this website because it is giving others the reason to make up dumb rumours about me that are hurting me and my life. Why is this furry fandom so creul? Leave me alone! No one else talks about me, why do you insist?! TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN WEBSITE!!!

::::::I believe that particular section also says "If you really have done something particularly bad, or worked up a documented history of misdemeanors, you're going to have to live with that." I fail to see how being a goon at a con is a crime punishable by proverbial tar-and-feathering, but you may also want to keep that in mind while discussing this. I don't know Mix personally, so I'll try and let better discretion kick in here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I've looked. I don't see any proof for the assertions in the above two paragraphs following the LJ link. From what I can get that is based on their real interaction and personal knowledge of you - they don't mention WikiFur at all.

:::::::To take a few examples, there's nothing on here about you cuddling other people, and "The SA thing: back in July you posted from AC about how people were giving you shit about your SA shirt." suggests a post on SomethingAwful.com (by yourself). WikiFur wasn't even founded until the end of July.

:::::::There is also a fair amount of stuff on here favourable to you. I would argue that perhaps the section about AC should be at the AC or SA pages rather than here, otherwise this whole page is likely to disappear shortly, which I would like to avoid.

:::::::Note that the fact that you were at a convention and did certain things is not something most would consider "personal information", and so it is unlikely that there is cause to remove that from other articles on those grounds. You can argue that it is not relevant, or that it is not a fair coverage of the facts, but if it ''is'' factually accurage and deemed to be relevant then . . . well, them's the breaks. As Duncan said, if you did something and regret it, that's cool, and we'll say that you do when it's mentioned so that people get the whole story, but it doesn't mean we'll pretend it never happened. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Recommendation ==

I recommend we follow Mix's wishes and blank his pages as desired. To do anything otherwise because of his stature as or not as a member of SA flies in the face of what we've done for other people here who've requested exclusion/personal control, and shows an over arching NPOV nature and bias of the administration. Whether or not it is affecting his life as he says it is, it is clearly hurting someone and is now being done in strictly a vindictive manner.

Blank his pages and lock them. Please. Remove his involvment from this site completely. Wikifur IS hurting someone here. Just because people don't agree with him doesn't mean it's okay.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:20, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I'm willing to blank this page and lock it after relevant information has been transferred, but I would note that doing so would remove the positive information that shows the other side of the story, such as being a super-sponsor of AC. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I would suggest removing all information about Mix, and asking him not to come back. What we're seeing here is an End Run. He does not want information posted about him, and so people are moving the information off his personal page on to other pages. They are End Running around the point of blanking pages. This renders the entire policy irrelevant, as I can create an article that backhandedly references anyone who has a currently blanked page by request, or mention their negative involvement in other articles. It's CLEAR that the resolution to this is that Mix be completely blanked in all areas of Wikifur, asked not to return, and we all pretend like this never happened.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem with your suggestion is that our policy does '''not''' allow for people to be deleted from history like that. If people do something that impacts on something else and we report it as such, we won't remove that just because they don't want a personal article written about them. As it stands I feel my rewrite of the article gives a fair and balanced view and lists both the events that happened and the fact that their was no real malicious intent. As GreenReaper stated, removal and placing facts on other pages will result in the good things about the person being lost here. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::: The the policy can be end run and will need to be addressed down the road since there is now no point to it. I can create a page on the activities of any user who has requested blanking and freely use them without violation of the policies or without it falling under the policies of Wikifur. Regardless, the man has asked for his page to be blanked. He has given ample time for that. Can his page be blanked and protected per the policies and rules of Wikifur? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Its already addressed in our provisional policy [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions_on_other_pages|here]], mentions on other pages will not be removed if the information is relevant to the article concerned. We are also not quite ready yet to blank the page as we have not reached consensus and the information is not yet ready to be redistributed to other pages. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:57, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The rules clearly state that the purpose of blanking is to remove the information in question. What is so bad about removing Mix's name from the facts in question and leaving it at "A suspected SA goon?" Why does this man's name have to remain in the game?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:01, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: And by the way, administration here has blanked every page on request immediately without redistribution and end -running of information out to safe non-blankable pages. Why is there a delay here?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:03, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Because we actually '''know''' who it is. We are not censored and do not have to hide facts that can be found out elsewhere quite easily. Likewise in all those cases, there was no contest and no one requested the pages remain. Thus consensus. In this case, there is debate and that must be resolved before we can continue. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:08, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Actually, I acted more rapidly in those cases than others both because I had more time to deal with them (I'm at work right now and can pay limited attention to this) and because I did not feel they would be contentious. I disagree with your view on "back running" as I think you are misrepresenting our current policy, which only applies to personal information, which is fairly strictly defined. See [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions on other pages]] for the view on this.

:::::::: But the site you point to is a proposal. The site Mix points to which states he should be allowed to blank his page is an actual policy in play. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::::: Right, and I've said this '''will''' happen. I don't see any reason for this to happen ''immediately'', rather than in a few hours when people have had their say, and we've definitely decided what information should and should not be on this page, so that we don't blank text that should rightly be elsewhere and then can't be retrieved by users. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::The policy Mix points to doesn't cover the point of total site deletion, that's what the proposed policy will cover. Proposed policies also can still carry their weight unless objection to such points are raised. We have been loosely using the policy in regards to subject-controlled articles in one case as a trial. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:30, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: I simply don't think that the WikiFur community wants people to be able to say nothing happened about them and to have total exclusion on a sitewide basis. Specific personal information is one thing, but public actions that were known to be contentious at the time are quite another. If desired, I will try and create a formal vote on this soon, with various options for future actions. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, hey, its your wiki, not mine. I gave my suggestion, my reasons for it, and my opinion. If people continue, then the recent changes page will be the "All Mix, All The Time" page until someone stops. But, I mean, it's your wiki, not mine, so do what you wish. I'm out of this discussion and on to something else to occupy my time.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:36, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Technically its 'our' wiki as in everyone's. It doesn't belong to GreenReaper, the admins or the users. It belongs to the furry community. ;) Don't worry though, this will be resolved, I think everyone really wants to hear what Mix thinks about all this discussion. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Until consensus is reached, that's how things will be. I would actually suggest putting the top section of the page onto [[User:Mix]], because it's stuff about the user and (I think) mostly written by them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If any of the furry-haters at Something Awful are aware of how much the endless debate over the AC 2005 incident seems to have brought all other activity on WikiFur nearly to a standstill, and is threatening to undermine some participants' faith in the site, they are probably laughing louder than any of us want to know. For all of the attempts by "SA goons" to troll, harass, and deface furry websites, wouldn't they be tickled to learn that one of the most successful results was one that ''we did to ourselves without their help.''

Okay, sorry if I got a little to cynical just then, but I don't like where this is headed, and I wish everyone involved could just chill a bit and try to come to a resolution everyone can live with. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will be attending my sister's wedding and probably won't have internet access most of this weekend.

:That's what we're doing, isn't it? :-) Debate is heated, to be sure, but once it's done, it's done. Besides that, it's an important matter that deserves the attention and thoughts of those involved in the project. Making decisions between the various options is a tricky task when there is no established policy, because people naturally have differing opinions. I've already had to make a few private decisions on this sort of topic, and they weren't easy to make either. However, what we decide here may be applicable to future cases - and I'm sure we'll have them, for as long as we include information about people.

:I would note that we are lucky that this is one of the few cases in which we ''don't'' have precedent on what to do from Wikipedia. Most of the time we can just use their rules, but they don't have personal articles on "regular" people, and a lot of the stuff mentioned here (though perhaps not the AC 2005 events) would be removed from Wikipedia on verifiability gtounds. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:16, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== A Wiki Newbie's Opinion ==

To the extent that I'm allowed an opinion, I'd like to speak in favour of removing the actual 'Mix' page, which does in fact contain personal information, but leaving intact accounts of his public actions at the con.

My reasoning is that information about his religious leanings, generosity, sketchbook habits, etc., is actually personal information, and forms no real part of the history of the fandom. His actions at AC 2005 are part of the public record, though. They happened. People talked about them afterward, and I'm sure they coloured people's perceptions of the convention and the fandom itself. If you're going to allow removal of stuff like that because a participant has suddenly decided that he doesn't want the things he did to be remembered, then you're essentially giving individuals the power to go back and force changes in how certain aspects of history will be remembered and spoken of.

In the end I think it comes down to a question of what this wiki is supposed to be for. If it's just an entertainment for the participants, then I'd say go ahead and remove all mention of Mix and his actions since that's causing unhappiness. If, on the other hand, it's meant to be a knowledge base or historical resource, then I'd say remove his personal pages only (which state opinions and preferences - actual personal information), but let stand the references in other topics to his actions at AC, which are part of the public record. You can't really decide which to do without first deciding why we're here. I can't see arguments based on the stated policies of the wiki having much weight here, since the policymakers clearly didn't envision this type of situation.

:Actually, I was pretty sure this sort of thing was going to come up when I founded WikiFur - I may be dumb, but I'm not ''that'' dumb. ;-) However, the wiki way is typically to decide what the opinion is through debate, then to codify that as policies when consensus has been reached about how best to go about things. I have therefore tended to defer things until they reach a point at which all options have been presented and a decision can be made. I did copy some of Wikipedia's guidelines that were clearly applicable (or required by our hosting), but not all of them.

:As for purpose - WikiFur has always had a serious side. You can check out what we're about at [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:09, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(and BTW, how are people getting their UID and timestamp to automatically append to their posts? I'm not smart enough to figure that out). -Ostrich! <")

: A quicky for you - { { UT|username } } for your ID and talk link - without the spaces between brackets of course! - {{UT|ToyDragon}}
::Actually easier than that, if you want that nice format that ToyDragon uses, go to your [[Special:Preferences|Preference page]] and place that code in the Nickname box, set 'Raw Signatures' on and then click Save. If you want just a default signature then leave that be.
::To enter the sig and date automatically, click the signature button on the Editing toolbar or type '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' which will make the site autoenter your signature and details for you. :) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:12, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Additional info ==

I don't know if this will ever make it into the article, but I just wanted to document it here that yet another person is complaining about Mix's antics: [http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html]

I can also state that after causing several incidents at [[Anthrocon 2006]], he spent the next few weeks sending me numerous nasty messages in IM, trying to bait me into conversation. I suppose I could post those logs if anyone is interested. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry I offended you, I was just frustrated that you chose not to answer my questions about your actions against me. You and other staff members treated me with much disrespect, singling me out, and rudely commenting that they didn't care about my mistreatment, my concerns, my requests, and to say that "We know how you are." as their only reason. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Gee, what did you expect? You caused us problems two years in a row. This past year James Walton from the DI caught you in the Dealers Room after hours. I personally caught you in the Zoo with a fake axe. What did you think we were going to do, smile and nod? You cause us problems, you face the consequences, it's that simple. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: You guys never gave me a fair chance to defend myself. A dealer, name kept private until request, asked me to help her to her table to set up at her request. Yes, a 'fake' axe. I bought it from 'your' convention. If you guys have such a problem with them, stop the sales of them. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Yep, James reported that too. He also reported that you were found nowhere near the dealer table in question. I believe his description was along the lines of, "roaming the aisles".
:::: As for the axe, if you bought something like that from a dealer, you should have taken it to your room and packed it away. You were caught with it in the early morning hours in the Zoo, several hours after the Dealers' Room closed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: No one really warned me about it, unless you count that swarm of guards you ordered to demand me, if you would've approached me and just asked yourself, I would've be delighted to apollogize and listen to your request, but how you chose to go about it instead with intimidation wasn't a very polite way of asking. That was what I was trying to ask you on aim as to why didn't you take that approach. You really seemed like a jerk to do that to someone, instead of taking a simple approach. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::::: Um, you mean besides the blurb on our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct#weapons weapons policy] which states in part:
::::::: ''"No weapons or any item that can be easily mistaken for one may be carried either openly or concealed at any time in convention space, regardless of any concealed carry permits you may possess. Padded swords, bokken and similar striking implements used to practice swordplay may not be used in any convention area. Weapon replicas may be worn as part of a costume only at the Masquerade and during convention-sponsored costuming events at the discretion of the Masquerade Director, and must be cased or otherwise secured when being transported to and from that event."''
:::::: Seems pretty straightforward to me. It's published in the con book, and you had to agree to those terms in order to receive a conbadge. In the future, I suggest reading the rules for conventions that you attend. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Noted then, though when I asked to read them at registration, your buddies summed it up for me instead "Don't be a dumbass.". Also, if you guys actually followed your own rules for once, I and another tried reporting "deliberate intimidation" and basic harrassment against me by two individuals, but it went ignored. Thus resulting in the headline of the pittsburg paper "Who gave Mix a ride?", which you did nothing to prevent even though I asked you guys to do to something, numerous times, but you guys did absolutely NOTHING. The reporter then sincerely apollogized, you guys never said a word.

:::::::: Um, I mentioned that they were published in the conbook, right?
:::::::: Yes, we got your complaint. We investigated it on our end and have taken the appropriate action. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: Again, I am sorry I did not understand the full definition of the statement, and I am sorry that I unknowingly violated it. I really thought it meant no (real) weapons. I've never heard of a 120-pounder carrying around a 3-foot REAL axe, that should wiegh half his weight. Get my point? I, and various others, carried it around during the con for photo-shoots and quick snap-shots of amazed people, and not one person came up to me with a request or concern to put it away, and if someone did, we would've all had listen to that request. Nor did anyone think it was real. So 'we' all thought it was ok. Again, I am sorry. I am very used to Anime conventions, where objects like this is allowed as part of one's character. I, myself, a gnoll warrior, thus the axe.
:::::::::: As for the complaint I filed, what action have you taken? I mean, this does involve me as a victim, I should have a right to know, privately of course. chootomix@yahoo.com

:As for Banrai, until she can provide proof of her allegations, I am negating all of it. Call it: Innocent until PROVEn guilty.

:She is also accusing me of copyright infringement against her upon gounds of the infamous SA shirt that I made. Need I really prove this here? There is already a picture of me wearing the shirt on the SA wiki. Take it as another "Banrai File" case.

:So if I take a unathorized picture of Kyoht's original art, and make an icon of it, does that make it mine as well?

:Both her and I would be even-stevens and part ways she would've given back the shirt. Instead, in her entry above, she states: "If I still had that godforsaken shirt, I'd gladly give it back. The fact of the matter is that it was so ratty when it was given to me, my dog decided it would make a perfect bed and so it's not survived beyond a few measly shreds."

:But in her counter-notification report to lj-abuse when I filed with the DMCA because of her unathourized use of my "burntfurrygoon" design as her icon: "I am the original creator of this icon, I can provide futher photographs of the object the icon was taken from if need be."

:Rumours of me are getting very VERY over-exaggerated. It's very taxing on my life due to the humungous stress factor I have to face because people would rather beleive rumours about me, than the actual source, myself. Rumours about how I drove 10 hours out of my way to try and sabotage everyone's car in a few minutes, just to drive 10 hours back that same night, and I didn't even have a car. Seriously insane rumours... {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:I am officially requesting that ALL information about me, including discussions, articles and sub-articles, as well as any mention of be to be removed from this website. I beleive that I am entitled to this by your agreement I agreed to. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Well, that's up to the community. Personally, I find it disgusting that you act the way you do, then try to censor what others say about you. It smacks of hypocrisy and makes you look even worse. At least have the guts to accept the consequences of your actions. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Disgusting? Tell me something, Giza. Did you ever chill with me and my friends? Spend some time, like an hour or more, with me first, then discuss my actions. Maybe you'd understand me better if you actually knew me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Nope, I haven't. How about we just get straight the point and you tell me what possible justification you have for trying to suppress criticism about you. It's not as if it somehow takes away your ability to still say what you want.

:::: As a general point, it's quite simple, really. All actions have consequences. If you want people to treat you better, you need to treat them better. That means: being considerate of others, stop antagonizing other people online, and stop trying to break rules at conventions. Maybe go do something for the community, too. I ''guarantee'' that if you start making positive contributions to the community, people will start treating you better. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: Giza, I am trying my hardest, and alot of people do say that I have improved greatly over the years. I am NOT trying to break your rules, it would be best if I knew my boundries with at least a warning, but furs don't seem to do that with me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::::: I do believe Mix is entitled to his request to privacy. He is not a public entity in the sense of the law, and should therefore be removed per your policy. It really doesn't matter what the community has to say on it-rules are rules, and enforcing this one only seems fair. --[[User:locket|locket]]

::::::: Going around and harassing people, nay, even sexually harassing people and then wanting it to be hushed up is sort of silly. You can't be a criminal, a stalker, and an antagonist and then expect people to only say how lovely you are. Frankly, in the case of Mix harassing me, I have told him NOT to contact me and yet he's still sending me IMs and commenting my my LJ as an anonymous commenter. Come on, even you must admit that having a man call you at 4AM to tell you that he's lonely, and that he loves you, is a bit on the creepy side. Covering up this information will only lead to more and more people getting hurt in the same way, just as I and many others were. --[[Banrai|Banrai]]

:::::::: It's not a matter of what I want, it's a matter of the rules. If you have issues with Mix, that's your own business, and if you want to vent, LJ is the appropriate forum for such dialogue. I don't think that using an online encyclopedia as your soapbox against Mix is an appropriate use of it. A few furs have done heinous things to me aswell, but I haven't written about it on this website.--[[User:locket|locket]]

It might be noted here that Mix has also [http://community.livejournal.com/fursecution/100208.html recently sexually harassed an individual], purportedly one of this group of 'friends' that he hangs out with. However as it appears Mix is the only one that thinks these people are his friend. As a further annotation, Mix seems to be claiming that I have told people that the ratty shirt he gave me was created by me. This is not true. However, the photographs I took are copyright to me, as the photographer. As well, the usericon that was created, was created by me. Mix never asked permission to re-use my photograh, nor the usericon that I created. This is [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/54917.html?thread=629637#t629637 not the first time] he has taken another user's icon and tried to claim it for his own. He's also quite well known for [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/58138.html false generosity] just to attempt to make others look bad, as well. More information on both cases can be found in the comments of each entry. It is very obvious here that, as past evidence shows, Mix simply can't break his habit of trying to make everyone else look bad, while playing the martyr. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:Banrai, I don't know you and you don't know me... However, I was at softball, I saw exactly what happened, and it seems both sides are blowing what happened out of proportion. The very link you posted describes the sexual harassment as, "Sema cries sexual harassment when Mix (un)intentionally brushes against her ass while both of them are waiting for food." If the witness did not believe this was an incident of sexual harassment, how can you?
:And, if you don't mind a personal observation regarding the shirt... Mix has publicly stated that he made the shirt and it is his own artwork. He has pictures at various stages of the shirt's artisitc creation to back this up. And your taking a picture of his artistic creation does not make said artwork yours. --[[User:WoodyChiTwn|WoodyChiTwn]]

:: On the subject of copyrights, if Mix did create the art on the shirt, then yes, he would have legal copyright on it. However, taking a picture of said shirt and posting the picture MIGHT constitute "fair use" under copyright law. It's really hard to say as copyright law [http://www.eff.org/legal/CyberLaw_Course/cyberlaw.008 tends to be a bit vague] on what constitutes fair use. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

: And this is not the first time Banrai has done something like this to someone, taking the credit, then bashing the real artist as a con and such:[http://www.livejournal.com/users/lukadia/174299.html The Banrai Files] ~Kæyleb

:: Again, Banrai is still bragging these lies to more people about him, even after he stopped talking about her, or to her. My only question to her is, where o' where is your proof of the artwork (seven sketches and a conbadge) you said you did for him? Also, I beleive you should, as well, [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/109084.html?thread=2199324#t2199324] stop talking about him, delete your posts, and forget about this, hopefully to prevent future drama from ensuing if either of you accidentally push it too far and or one party snaps and goes to far. It seems as though he has done this favor for you and his keeping to his word of it, you owe him a favor such as this, as well. It seems you can't go a month without harrassing about on him, especially without evidence. ~Kæyleb

If this article is causing so much drama, how about you just delete the dammed thing? [[User:69.160.28.78|69.160.28.78]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

== DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE ==

DELETE THIS FUCKING ARCHIVE

I TOLD YOU FUCKS TO DELETE IT A DECADE AGO

ITS STILL CAUSING ME ISSUES

FUCKING DELETE IT AND STOP BULLYING ME ABOUT PAST SHIT THAT'S MADE UP AND LIED ABOUT

13 FUCKING YEARS?

LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE AND DELETE EVERYTHING ABOUT ME

Talk:List of furry Telegram groups

2016-11-26T09:10:55Z

Mix:

If we were to just copy and paste the spreadsheet's content into Wikifur right now, then there'd be two copies and they'd get out of sync.

I think what this means is, while the maintainers of the spreadsheet still want to keep it as a Google Doc, then that's where it has to be, and Wikifur just has to link to it. But if the maintainers of the spreadsheet feel like moving it into Wikifur at some point and making that the official copy of it, then that's great!

:Well, it's a question of who would maintain it. It may be a useful thing to have, similar to [[list of furry LiveJournal communities]], but it has to actually ''be the list'', not a pointer to it. Otherwise, as Spirou has said, it's not suitable for its own article, but might be suitable as an external link on a related page, such as [[Telegram]] (which could also talk about how furries use Telegram, as [[LiveJournal]] does), or an article about its creator. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:37, 25 November 2015 (EST)

Please post the list. Communities are being censored due to improper moderation. FurListBot is secretly moderated to screen communities. I have logs proving biased moderations.

User:Starblade

2012-07-23T18:36:29Z

Mix:

Starblade is stubborn, obsessive, and obnoxious and is often impulsive and gets upset over stupid things. However, underneath it all sie has a heart of gold and nerves of steel. Being dedicated to being fair to all parties is hir greatest gift and greatest curse, simultaneously.

You will be missed, brother. RIP 9/22/10

[[Starblade]]

Talk:Banrai

2012-07-23T18:31:58Z

Mix: /* Conflicting stories. */

==Archives==
I waited a few days to do this incase anyone else wanted to get some replies in, and since there were none I decided it was safe to continue and archive a copy of the previous talk page, to remove the needless drama and fussing.

[[Talk:Banrai/Archive1]] -- Archive from Sep 2005 to Apr 2006.

== Controversy ==
I reverted Banrai's deletion of Mix's information because, well, there's a controversy section already and it occured, so it's factual, not vandalism. This isn't much different from the [[Kacey Miyagami]] issue, it seems. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Considering that Mix has stalked and harassed me for over a year now, as well as that he has flat out admitted that he is making these edits as a form of 'blackmail' against me, I think it therefor does constitute as vandalisim. Mix's pitiful jab at me is one sided, at best. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 17:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::Mix messaged me earlier this morning and basically confirmed this. All this information was added because Banrai wouldn't let him join one of her LJ comms. He told me that as long as she barred him entry, the information would stay there and when she allowed him entry, he'd retract the information. It's clear then that he's making "personal attacks". Being that some of this IS factual though, I believe the best course is to pare as much of this down to ACTUAL fact and throw the rest to the dogs.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 17:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Conflicting stories. ==

You know, if Banrai cannot prove that she drew several pictures of Mix, then why include that in the article? Why not just say "Banrai allegedly drew several drawings of Mix, while Mix currently claims that she only drew one"? Has anybody ever seen the pictures and verified that Mix received them? Not that I believe Mix's side of the story without any reservations, but Banrai has lied before just as Mix has lied before, so why either of them should be trustworthy enough to put their side of the story as if it were correct and not simply a side to the story baffles me.

There does also appear to be a drama Banrai created reguarding Ridayah. Ridayah is a genuinely kind soul and has been slandered and libeled by Banrai. She claims that he intended to 'texturbate' her but I know he had no intention of doing this. I know that for a fact. Could someone, preferably Ridayah himself, or one of his close friends, be allowed to add that to the Controversy section?

Thanks! - [[User:Starblade|Starblade]] 23:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:As for Mix's 'side' of the story, if he feels it necessary he can add it to his own page, which diserves a controversy section ihmo.

:As for Ridayah, why would I want to write something about every bad commissioner I've had in my article? You seem to be a good friend of the aforementioned, so I'm sure you'll remember the journal entry he posted where he apoligized to me for all the promiscuous things he said to me, etc. How that is controversy, I do not know. Yes, I reported him to artists beware. And, if you'll also remember several people were glad because no artist deserves to be spoken to like that by a client. It remains one of the worst business transactions I have ever had, and I am glad I chose to refund his money and report the situation in the appropriate place. However, that place is not here. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (06/06/07) 23.38 (UTC)
::"I am glad I chose to refund his money and report the situation in the appropriate place" Oh, please. You never refunded any money because we never dealt with any money. When I asked for the shirt back, which is what I only bartered with, you told me your dog 'ripped it to shreds' then later state days later that you still had it intact. The only reporting you did was to file an idiotic DCMA against me on LJ for the use of my own custom logo, only to spite me. Everyone knows that I made that logo, even my enemies came to defend me on that. I dunno what makes anyone beleive that you actually drew 13 images for me yet you avidly avoid showing any proof that you did; especially when all that was requested in the trade was a 'character sheet', which after waiting an entire year and asking again, you then blow up at me and claim harrassment. You're just a thief. I have snapshot proof of articles you've written on LJ bashing me, where you've gone back and edited them to clearly only avoid contradiction of more current evidence, and only to save face. I've printed those out, stuck them in a folder, and labeled them 'The Banrai Files'. I don't mind opening that up and scanning them through once more. Dude... seriously... just apologize. Also, refund me for the shirt. $20. I'm sure you can find my paypal some where.
::I don't think it's necessary for everyone to air their grievances out in vivid detail. We are not Encylopedia Dramatica.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 07:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Agreed. If everyone wanted to add every little gripe and snark to everyone else's article, this place would turn into drama central in about three seconds flat. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (06/07/07) 12.04 (UTC)

That is precicely why we write such dramas in NPOV, because we don't want drama. I have edited the section about Mix to reflect the fact that this drama is unresolved and there is no evidence to rule out either POV. [[User:Starblade|Starblade]] 05:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:The only drama I am seeing here is that which you are attempting to stir. You edited factual statements that have been proven and recorded to sling doubt onto the situation, those have been reverted. Make sure you know the _facts_ before you edit an article. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (06/07/07) 12.04 (UTC)

They are not FACTS. You have yet to offer real proof of these statements. If they were facts you should be able to put that proof on this wiki. {{unsigned|Starblade}}

Please do not make personal attacks.]] This includes [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Banrai&curid=3349&diff=146972&oldid=146870&rcid=153186 edit summaries]. Thanks. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

::If this kind of behaviour persists from both sides, I will lock this article up nice and tight and NO ONE will be able to touch it. [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. PERIOD.]] Not from Mix, not from Starblade, not from Banrai. Continue on the talk page and I may give each of you a time out to cool off. WikiFur is NOT a battleground for revenging perceived slights and wrongs. I don't believe either of you are the innocent victims here, but I believe less that the exaggerations here are necessarily true. Add references, add logs. End of story.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 03:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

:Edited with a link to reference. I should ask you to provide your own references, if you choose to make further edits. :) --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (06/07/07) 12.04 (UTC)

== Cruise/FWA ==

Is there any point to the slandering of junkupshowup or is it just to fill up space with drama? It seems like the drama about Banrai's identity theft past is extremely down played where the supposed drama about junkupshowup is very one-sided. {{unsigned|71.170.60.48}}

:I agree, if you're going to include drama including banrai, include it all equally. Don't try to make her look like an innocent victim. This is what happens when people are the main editor of their own pages, you get biased pages.--[[User:24.0.21.164|24.0.21.164]] 16:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

::All information was previously confirmed by others that witnessed it. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (06/23/07) 16.53 (UTC)

:::except for the part where both junkupshowup and atamakatjazz (who it was said the sketchbook belonged to) have confirmed that the sketchbook junkupshowup had on the cruise was a shared sketchbook between them since they were dating and living together at the time. Please show proof of the confirmations of junkupshowup's actions. Because Zotcoon and Tigrekat have confirmed actions to the contrary, saying you physically attacked junkupshowup in her hotel room when she had paid for your entire trip leaving junkupshowup to sleep on their floor the last night because you caused such a drama stir.

::::Lol, what? Sorry, but if things happened that way then why, exactly, did I have to call room security to get her out of the room? Why did her mother come and take all of her things and profusely apologize for her daughter's behavior and argumentativeness? Awfully fishy that she didn't go to her mom's room, as well. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] 

(Edited out my post. I made a mistake; sorry my brain had too much data to take in and I thought you were referring to someone else.) [[User:Starblade|Starblade]] 05:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Request for exclusion of personal information ==

Banrai has requested personal exclusion via IRC, as she is attempting to withdraw from the fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I am against exclusion of this article, all the more so as the subject has been a significant contributor here on WikiFur. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 04:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::While I am always in support of her and who she is, because she's one of my best pals, and we should give her her privacy, I don't think it's a good idea to exclude a former featured article (This is prolly a reason why we should less and less do people as featured articles). Let me sit down and have a talk with her and maybe we can come to a solution.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 06:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

: As the article currently stands, I am alright with it remaining. I just no longer want any information about me as a person publicly available. Since '''Banrai''' is also the name of the character, I am fine letting the page stand to be just about her, the character. [[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 13:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Something Awful

2007-08-29T05:24:12Z

Mix: Request for deletion of Anthrocon_2005

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*[[/Archive2|Archive 2]]
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==Bias Creep==
It was pointed out to me on the chat, and I have to agree, that this article seems to of had its NPOV distorted some what since its original staring as a featured article. Possibly over time and with just little micro-edits the article seems to of turned in to something which seems to get an almost daily blanking. In concentrating on the Furry related events to SA, the article appears biased. I think if we reworded and reworked the article to list a few more of the general non-furry related positive things (I'm sure there are some ;) ) it might make people less prone to wipe it even if it goes a little out of our normal subject remit. Thoughts anyone? --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:By the chat, I'm assuming you mean [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikia #wikia]. Just clarifying for anyone who might later come on and not know what we're talking about. [[User:Bastique|Bastique]] 16:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:General non-furry related positive things? There was the (attempted) Hurricane Katrina relief fund - $30,000 before PayPal hijacked the charity. $22,000 for body armor sent to US troops in Iraq. $6,000 for children with terminal illnesses. Those are the big ones with dollar values attached. Most of the NPOV-diversion is probably due to committed journaling of groups and individuals with no official connection to SA - terminally unfunny SALJers and other mouthbreathers who think taunting the furries is their ticket to e-stardom in the SA Forums. Not every catchphrase screaming attentionwhore with :10bux: is a member of SA community. --[[User:ShrikeWolf|the Shrike]] 19:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

::this is pretty damn biased if you ask me. "The only negative press is NO PRESS!!! LOLOLOLOO!!!!11!1"

::ugh. At least give a non biased approach to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:70.23.131.239|70.23.131.239]] ([[User talk:70.23.131.239|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.23.131.239|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:::I assume you're misquoting the quote from GreenReaper. My personal thoughts on whether it belongs in that page or not aside (for unrelated reasons), it is still a quote, and its POV/NPOV status does not necessarily matter. [[User:KaloFoxfire|KaloFoxfire]] 21:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Media coverage? ==

Can anyone enlighten me as to why this article is in [[:Category:Media coverage]]? SA doesn't strike me as a very journalistic website. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

== Request for deletion of Anthrocon_2005 ==

I would like to request for deletion and removal of [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Something_awful#Anthrocon_2005 this article that I wrote]. Seems to be more troublesome than it's worth. I was not a part of SA for doing it, I just wore a T-shirt out of fun because I liked the website, and I was new to this fandom as well at the time, and I do not wish to be part of it anymore.

Talk:Mix (person)

2007-08-29T04:25:25Z

Mix: Request for deletion of User:KendricksRedtail/Mix

<div style="float:right; border:1px solid black; background-color:#EEFFEE; padding: 5px;">[[/Archive1|Archive1]] [[/Archive2|Archive2]]</div>

== Request for deletion of User:KendricksRedtail/Mix ==

I really don't think it's fair for a [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:KendricksRedtail/Mix#Who_gave_Mix_a_ride.3F malicous user profile] of me to be up when the original poster opted to delete Banrai's, yet keep mine, then create a userpage based soley on hear-say and the such along with her help.

As well, I don't want mention of my websites [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:KendricksRedtail/Mix#External_links here], nor mention of this [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:KendricksRedtail/Mix#Who_gave_Mix_a_ride.3F phrase].
It is some slur that Sema and a few others used against me to get me irritated, just posted there by the original creator of the slur to remind others that it gets me irritated to use it further against me.

Furthermore, the current content is more than two years old. Also, I do not condone a person who honestly doesn't like me to manufacture such an article in conjunction with others that hate me as well such as Banrai and Sema.

In conclusion, I would like the deletion of any current and future articles within this website to be deleted. Current articles [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:KendricksRedtail/Mix#Who_gave_Mix_a_ride.3F here] and [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Something_awful#Anthrocon_2005 here].

I do not wish to be mentioned on this website anymore due to mis-information, libel, bias-editing, controversy, un-proven 'facts' and statements, malicious editing/re-editing/'undo'ing, and other crap I just don't want to deal with. I never wanted to be a part of this website in the first place, as stated in the first page of these archives. Please respect this, and my wish to be excluded from this website and your fandom.

User:Mix

2007-08-29T04:08:37Z

Mix: Do not undo.

7chan

2007-07-10T02:22:24Z

Mix: {{citation needed}}s are annoying.

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style [[art]] community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan initially languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th, 2005. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such as the ones on Wikifur), and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

New to the 2ch community was the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

==7chan and furry==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a rule that forbids the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users. As of summer 2007, things have sparked up again, as those from /b/ perma-ban anyone admitting to be a furry or even visiting /fur/.{{fact}}
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Uncle Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface [[babyfur]] threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, a number of 7chan posters conspired to stage a public raid and protest at [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters, consisting of a small number of 7chan's /b/ members (or /b/tards), began on July 6th, 2007, with turnout comprising exactly 4 people, 2 of which were carrying signs, one being of the [[Wikipedia:Habbo|Habbo's Hotel]] "[http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pool's_Closed Pool's Closed]" [[wikipedia:Meme|meme]], and the other being the often used [[Anti-furries|anti-fur]] phrase "[[Furfag|YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS]]."

Two of the people present were dressed up as Habbo invaders, or [http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nigras|"Nigras"] (business suits with [[Wikipedia:Afro|Afro wigs]].) The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye. One raid member was seen on the premises registering for Anthrocon on 7.7.07, but was rather passive.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

== References ==
<references/>

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-09T08:28:18Z

Mix: fix

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style [[art]] community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan initially languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th, 2005. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such as the ones on Wikifur), and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

New to the 2ch community was the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

==7chan and furry==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a rule that forbids the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users. As of summer 2007, things have sparked up again, as those from /b/ perma-ban anyone admitting to be a furry or even visiting /fur/.{{fact}}
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Uncle Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface [[babyfur]] threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

In light of also celebrating 07.07.07,{{fact}} a number of 7chan posters conspired to stage a public raid and protest at [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters, consisting of a small number of 7chan's /b/ members (or /b/tards), began on July 6th, 2007, with turnout comprising exactly 4 people, 2 of which were carrying signs, one being of the [[Wikipedia:Habbo|Habbo's Hotel]] "[http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pool's_Closed Pool's Closed]" [[wikipedia:Meme|meme]], and the other being the often used [[Anti-furries|anti-fur]] phrase "[[Furfag|YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS]]."

Two of the people present were dressed up as Habbo invaders, or [http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nigras|"Nigras"] (business suits with [[Wikipedia:Afro|Afro wigs]].) The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.{{fact}} One raid member was seen on the premises registering for Anthrocon on 7.7.07, but was rather passive.{{fact}}

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

== References ==
<references/>

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-09T08:26:00Z

Mix: It keeps reverting to 'Closed' with your edit... leave it like this.

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style [[art]] community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan initially languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th, 2005. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such as the ones on Wikifur), and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

New to the 2ch community was the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

==7chan and furry==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a rule that forbids the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users. As of summer 2007, things have sparked up again, as those from /b/ perma-ban anyone admitting to be a furry or even visiting /fur/.{{fact}}
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Uncle Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface [[babyfur]] threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

In light of also celebrating 07.07.07,{{fact}} a number of 7chan posters conspired to stage a public raid and protest at [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters, consisting of a small number of 7chan's /b/ members (or /b/tards), began on July 6th, 2007, with turnout comprising exactly 4 people, 2 of which were carrying signs, one being of the [[Wikipedia:Habbo|Habbo's Hotel]] "[http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title= Pool's Closed]" [[wikipedia:Meme|meme]], and the other being the often used [[Anti-furries|anti-fur]] phrase "[[Furfag|YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS]]."

Two of the people present were dressed up as Habbo invaders, or [http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nigras|"Nigras"] (business suits with [[Wikipedia:Afro|Afro wigs]].) The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.{{fact}} One raid member was seen on the premises registering for Anthrocon on 7.7.07, but was rather passive.{{fact}}

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

== References ==
<references/>

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-09T00:36:29Z

Mix: /* 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 */

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Wikipedia:Furry|Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

New to the 2ch community was the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

==7chan and furry==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a rule that forbids the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users. As of summer 2007, things have sparked up again, as those from /b/ perma-ban anyone admitting to be a furry or even visiting /fur/.{{fact}}
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Kage|Uncke Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

:In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to stage a public raid and protest at [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters, containing some of 7chan's /b/ members (or /b/tards), began on July 6th, 2007, with turnout comprising exactly 4 people, 2 of which were carrying signs, one being of the [[Wikipedia:Habbo|Habbo's Hotel]] "[http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title= Pool's Closed]" [[wikipedia:Meme|meme]], and the other being the often used [[Anti-furries|anti-fur]] phrase "[[Furfag|YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS]]."

Two of the people present were dressed up as Habbo invaders, or [http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nigras|"Nigras"] (business suits with [[Wikipedia:Afro|Afro wigs]].) The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.{{fact}} One raid member was seen on the premises registering for Anthrocon on 7.7.07, but was rather passive.{{fact}}

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

== References ==
<references/>

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-09T00:34:24Z

Mix: Don't ask...

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Wikipedia:Furry|Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

New to the 2ch community was the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

==7chan and furry==
{{Unreferenced-section}}
Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a rule that forbids the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users. As of summer 2007, things have sparked up again, as those from /b/ perma-ban anyone admitting to be a furry or even visiting /fur/.{{fact}}
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Kage|Uncke Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

:In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to stage a public raid and protest at [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters, containing some of 7chan's /b/ members (or /b/tards), began on July 6th, 2007, with turnout comprising exactly 4 people, 2 of which were carrying signs, one being of the [[Wikipedia:Habbo|Habbo's Hotel]] "[http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Pool's_Closed|Pool's Closed]" [[wikipedia:Meme|meme]], and the other being the often used [[Anti-furries|anti-fur]] phrase "[[Furfag|YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS]]."

Two of the people present were dressed up as Habbo invaders, or [http://www.lurkmore.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nigras|"Nigras"] (business suits with [[Wikipedia:Afro|Afro wigs]].) The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.{{fact}} One raid member was seen on the premises registering for Anthrocon on 7.7.07, but was rather passive.{{fact}}

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

== References ==
<references/>

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-08T06:37:36Z

Mix: spellcheck

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Wikipedia:Furry|Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

==7chan and furry==

Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a bannable rule that against the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users.

New to the 2ch community is the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Kage|Uncke Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

:In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to raid and protest [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gathering of protesters began on July 6th, 2007.

:The 'huge' turnout consisted of exactly 4 people, 2 of which had signs; one being of Habbo's Hotel "Pool's Closed" internet phenomenon, and "YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS". Two of the people actually dressed up as Habbos in afros in suits. The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-08T06:31:46Z

Mix: Please keep it as it was. I've been following this from the beginning.

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Wikipedia:Furry|Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': Ian
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

==7chan and furry==

Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a bannable rule that against the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users.

New to the 2ch community is the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.
[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Kage|Uncke Kage]] helps the 7chan's /b/ protestors shelter from the rain]]
Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==== 7chan and WikiFur ====

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==== 7chan and Anthrocon 2007 ====

:In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to raid and protest [[Anthrocon 2007]]. The gethering of protesters began on July 6th, 2007.

:The 'huge' turnout consisted of exactly 4 people, 2 of which had signs; one being of Habbo's Hotel "Pool's Closed" internet phenomenon, and "YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS". Two of the people actually dressed up as Habbos in afros in suits. The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes
{{Image boards}}
{{net-stub}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-07T21:00:15Z

Mix:

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /furfags/ for [[Wikipedia:Furry|Furry]], /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': [[Ian]]
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==7chan's 'Epic Fail' at Anthrocon 2007==

[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|Epic Fail]]
In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to raid and protest [[Anthrocon 2007]]. In light, a 'huge' turnout of exactly 4 people, 2 of which with signs; one being of Habbo's Hotel "Pool's Closed" internet phenomenon, and "YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS". Two of the people actually dressed up as Habbos in afros in suits. The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.

==7chan and furry==

Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a bannable rule that against the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users.

New to the 2ch community is the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==7chan and WikiFur==

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes

{{net-stub}}
{{Image boards}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-07T20:56:21Z

Mix:

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': [[Ian]]
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==7chan's 'Epic Fail' at Anthrocon 2007==

[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|Epic Fail]]
In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to raid and protest [[Anthrocon 2007]]. In light, a 'huge' turnout of exactly 4 people, 2 of which with signs; one being of Habbo's Hotel "Pool's Closed" internet phenomenon, and "YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS". Two of the people actually dressed up as Habbos in afros in suits. The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.

==7chan and furry==

Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a bannable rule that against the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users.

New to the 2ch community is the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==7chan and WikiFur==

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes

{{net-stub}}
{{Image boards}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

7chan

2007-07-07T20:55:26Z

Mix:

[[Image:7chan.png|right]]
{{Rating-nc17-button2}}
'''7chan''' is a [[2ch]] style art community. Users submit content in various categories, such as: /h/ for [[Wikipedia:Hentai|Hentai]], /m/ for [[Wikipedia:Manga|Manga]], /u/ for [[Wikipedia:Yuri|Yuri]], etc. The boards all classified within three distinct sections: '''''VIP''''', '''''General Boards''''', and '''''Definitely NSFW''''', which has lately been renamed to simply '''''Porn'''''.

* '''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://7chan.org/
**'''IRC''': irc://irc.fukt.us/7chan
* '''Founder''': [[Zeneslev]], [[Symbol]]
* '''Administrators''': [[Ian]]
* '''Ran from/to''': August 25th, 2005 - present

==History==

7chan had languished as an image-board since day one of its inception in August 25th. This situation changed almost a year later, August 23rd, during "4chan's 2006 /b/ exodus" (or '''/b/day''',) when 4chan moderators started to strictly enforce its previously neglected rules on posting illegal content, private forum/kiwi raids (such the ones on Wikifur,) and posting personal information, which caused a reasonable amount of its users to flock to the present board, especially since raids were one of the many things 4chan was infamous for.

Even with this split, both boards' /b/ communities continue to shared related [[Wikipedia:Meme|memes]], [[Wikipedia:Slang|terminology]], and [[Wikipedia:Image_macro|image macros]].

The image boards on 7chan are reasonably slower on 7chan compared to 4chan, yet a lot of the users prefer the slower pace, as popular threads don't get bumped off the boards as fast as on the much more active 4chan.

==7chan's 'Epic Fail' at Anthrocon 2007==

[[Image:7chan's_Epic_Fail.jpg|right|Epic Fail]]
In light of also celebrating 07.07.07, 7chan asked its members to raid and protest [[Anthrocon 2007]]. In light, a 'huge' turnout of exactly 4 people, 2 of which with signs; one being of Habbo's Hotel "Pool's Closed" internet phenomenon, and "YIFF IN HELL FURFAGS". Two of the people actually dressed up as Habbos in afros in suits. The Habbo impersonators not only confused furries as to why Habbo was related to a furry con, but also incited some racist looks from Pittsburgh's public eye.

==7chan and furry==

Unlike 4chan and other non-furry friendly boards, and in-spite of currently hosting most of 4chan's non-furry approving /b/tards, 7chan maintains a dedicated, semi-protected, furry board (/Furfags/,) under the "''Porn''" section. As with some 2ch furry image-boards, this board has no [[DNP]] or copy-protection rules, with the exception of a bannable rule that against the posting of art from [[furry artist]] [[Jeremy Bernal]].

While there were quite a lot of invasions on both sides, recently, the situation between /b/ and /fur/ has calmed and the most recent raids were done by 4chan users.

New to the 2ch community is the existence of an '''invasion''' (/i/) board, a section solely designated for site raids and vandalism, with [[Wikipedia:Habbo_Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], and any furry board/forum as their favorite, recurring targets.

Sometimes 7chan moderators will decide to deface babyfur threads with music, shock images, etc.

==7chan and WikiFur==

As it was back in 4chan, some members of this transplanted /b/ community continues, or attempts to, vandalize this particular Wiki.

==See also==

*[[4chan]]
*[http://www.trendpediawiki.com/7chan 7chan] at [[Trendpedia]]

==External links==
[[Image:Censor NC17 button.png|right]]
*[http://img.7chan.org/fur/ 7chan's] furry board (Not work safe)
*[http://wikichan.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiChan]. By and for *chan users, also a depository for commonly shared 4chan/7chan /b/ memes

{{net-stub}}
{{Image boards}}
[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Mature image boards]]

Talk:Mix (person)

2007-04-30T22:06:43Z

Mix:

<div style="float:right; border:1px solid black; background-color:#EEFFEE; padding: 5px;">[[/Archive|Archive]]</div>

I received a message from Mix telling me that he posted the incident of the Something Awful t-shirt as a personal attack on [[Banrai]] because she banned him recently from one of her comms and so he was all pissed, so he decided to hurt her the best way he could and he claimed that if she released his ban, he'd take the edit down. In otherwords, his recent edits have NOT been made in good faith. Instead he's trying to use blackmail tactics here openly and blatantly, which clearly violates our rules on personal attacks. There's no looking at it any other way. Barring a full ban of Mr. Mix from WikiFur, I propose that we'd first remove the protection that we seem to be giving him. The current whitewashed mess there is quite an insult to our claim to completeness and fair and balanced and an insult to our credibility. I've been wanting to give his article an overhaul for a while with even NPOV as well as referenced sources. I've spoken to one or two other administrators in channel and they agree. If not, then I suggest complete removal. We can't do protected halfass anymore. Either they're excluded or they're fully open in the spirit of wiki. So here's my proposed options: 1)we punish Mix by suspending him from WikiFur, 2)We unlock his article and give the article itself a complete and fair overhaul. or 3)we completely remove it and leave it at that.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 18:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

: That's not blackmail, that's [[Wikipedia:Extortion|extortion]]. But anyway... I think that edits such as that which are not being made in good faith are grounds for a ban.
: As for #2 and #3, it's a question of how much drama do we want to deal with? I'm cool with #2, but we will have to deal with the resulting drama. Something to keep in mind. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe not a ban, but a suspension? Or at least revocation of the "immunity" he enjoys? As far as #2 goes, as long as we back up everything written there, there isn't much room for him to talk and if it ends up in #3, oh well, but I'm willing to bet we could keep it around for similar reasons as say, Sibe. I'm not saying the article is going to be entitled "Why Mix is an Evil Bastard" because I'm sure there's more to him in this fandom than the drama he's caused. We could document that. Keep it fair and balanced instead of whitewashed.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::So, you want to turn him into what? Another Sibe where we start releasing stuff like his real name and crap? I already spoke to you earlier about this about my feelings on this subject and no. Just no. It's not worth it. These "bad guys" who don't want their information out their deserve the same benefits the "nice guys" who ask for protection and blanking do. So, either please both sides and make everyone happy-happy, or please no one at all for the sake of encyclopedic integrity.--[[User:AshMCairo|AshMCairo]] 19:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::While protection is perfectly acceptable when the 'bad guys' are trying to make amends and change their ways, there must be exceptions made for those that just want to hide behind a locked page while constantly enticing more and more drama. I am of the conviction that the page should be unlocked, and Mix's deeds be documented so the public can see who he really is, with all the facts backed up. As it is, this all stinks of a cover-up. But, that's just my personal opinion, of course. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (04/30/07) 20.23 (UTC)
:::::The fact that you haven't provided an ounce of evidence for any event is justifiable. Rant all you wish about how I sexually harrassed, blackmailed, stole, and whatever else you wish to include, without a drop of evidence, you win at teh internets by doing so.
:::::Posting what I posted is true and not biased, nor attacking, nor vandalism. You're just an idiot that randomly filed a DCMA against me for having my icon up one day. Lemme restate that, you FIRST filed a counternotification against me against me using my own artwork as an icon. Then screamed 'rape and pillage' in your livejournal when I lodged one back at you. Then you became fuckbuddies with Dmuth, edited my talk page to include other rumours you heard, and didnt even have the guts to back that up with evidence, even after witnesses who aren't friends of mine told you the opposite, and also telling you to stfu. Funny thing is that both of you think this is blackmail. That is bullshit. More like revenge for 'continuing' to be a bitch and not let this shit drop. When I apollogized, it was sincere and to the point. But you had to stir the pot again and let the shit hit the fan... one... more... time... {{unsigned|Mix}}

:::::: Uh, dude? Which part of [[WikiFur:No personal attacks|No Personal Attacks]] is unclear? If you want to call us names, I suggest you do it someplace else. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::: That's a bit hard when you and your pals seem to scared to talk smack to my face. You win at teh internets too, happy happy joy joy!

:::Things like his real name and birthdate and such can be avoided. The thing is with the protection thing is that its fine with people who just don't want to be included in the project, that's fine. In Mix's case, it seems to be that he wants that shield so he can make edits to other people's article, but he can't be touched and I disagree with that. Many of the "good guys" have no public face and it is their private information removed and without it, the article has no content. With the "bad guys," I can remove all private information, keep the public information intact and have an article still! But in the interest of FAIRNESS, we try and maybe give a more detailed description of them outside of the drama. In the meantime, the "good guys" get their deeds and actions detailed on the WikiFur, at the same time, so do the "bad guys".--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]]

Banrai

2007-04-30T22:02:28Z

Mix: /* Mix */

Banrai

2007-04-30T22:01:07Z

Mix: /* Mix */ Read memo. Banrai filed first, proof shown. More proof shown that Banrai stated to the LJ abuse team that she was the original artist and that I was violating her copyrights.

Talk:Mix (person)

2007-04-30T21:34:07Z

Mix:

<div style="float:right; border:1px solid black; background-color:#EEFFEE; padding: 5px;">[[/Archive|Archive]]</div>

I received a message from Mix telling me that he posted the incident of the Something Awful t-shirt as a personal attack on [[Banrai]] because she banned him recently from one of her comms and so he was all pissed, so he decided to hurt her the best way he could and he claimed that if she released his ban, he'd take the edit down. In otherwords, his recent edits have NOT been made in good faith. Instead he's trying to use blackmail tactics here openly and blatantly, which clearly violates our rules on personal attacks. There's no looking at it any other way. Barring a full ban of Mr. Mix from WikiFur, I propose that we'd first remove the protection that we seem to be giving him. The current whitewashed mess there is quite an insult to our claim to completeness and fair and balanced and an insult to our credibility. I've been wanting to give his article an overhaul for a while with even NPOV as well as referenced sources. I've spoken to one or two other administrators in channel and they agree. If not, then I suggest complete removal. We can't do protected halfass anymore. Either they're excluded or they're fully open in the spirit of wiki. So here's my proposed options: 1)we punish Mix by suspending him from WikiFur, 2)We unlock his article and give the article itself a complete and fair overhaul. or 3)we completely remove it and leave it at that.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 18:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

: That's not blackmail, that's [[Wikipedia:Extortion|extortion]]. But anyway... I think that edits such as that which are not being made in good faith are grounds for a ban.
: As for #2 and #3, it's a question of how much drama do we want to deal with? I'm cool with #2, but we will have to deal with the resulting drama. Something to keep in mind. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 19:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe not a ban, but a suspension? Or at least revocation of the "immunity" he enjoys? As far as #2 goes, as long as we back up everything written there, there isn't much room for him to talk and if it ends up in #3, oh well, but I'm willing to bet we could keep it around for similar reasons as say, Sibe. I'm not saying the article is going to be entitled "Why Mix is an Evil Bastard" because I'm sure there's more to him in this fandom than the drama he's caused. We could document that. Keep it fair and balanced instead of whitewashed.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::So, you want to turn him into what? Another Sibe where we start releasing stuff like his real name and crap? I already spoke to you earlier about this about my feelings on this subject and no. Just no. It's not worth it. These "bad guys" who don't want their information out their deserve the same benefits the "nice guys" who ask for protection and blanking do. So, either please both sides and make everyone happy-happy, or please no one at all for the sake of encyclopedic integrity.--[[User:AshMCairo|AshMCairo]] 19:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::While protection is perfectly acceptable when the 'bad guys' are trying to make amends and change their ways, there must be exceptions made for those that just want to hide behind a locked page while constantly enticing more and more drama. I am of the conviction that the page should be unlocked, and Mix's deeds be documented so the public can see who he really is, with all the facts backed up. As it is, this all stinks of a cover-up. But, that's just my personal opinion, of course. --'''[[Banrai|Banrai]]''' | [[User_talk:Banrai|talk]] (04/30/07) 20.23 (UTC)
:::::The fact that you haven't provided an ounce of evidence for any event is justifiable. Rant all you wish about how I sexually harrassed, blackmailed, stole, and whatever else you wish to include, without a drop of evidence, you win at teh internets by doing so.
:::::Posting what I posted is true and not biased, nor attacking, nor vandalism. You're just an idiot that randomly filed a DCMA against me for having my icon up one day. Lemme restate that, you FIRST filed a counternotification against me against me using my own artwork as an icon. Then screamed 'rape and pillage' in your livejournal when I lodged one back at you. Then you became fuckbuddies with Dmuth, edited my talk page to include other rumours you heard, and didnt even have the guts to back that up with evidence, even after witnesses who aren't friends of mine told you the opposite, and also telling you to stfu. Funny thing is that both of you think this is blackmail. That is bullshit. More like revenge for 'continuing' to be a bitch and not let this shit drop. When I apollogized, it was sincere and to the point. But you had to stir the pot again and let the shit hit the fan... one... more... time...
:::Things like his real name and birthdate and such can be avoided. The thing is with the protection thing is that its fine with people who just don't want to be included in the project, that's fine. In Mix's case, it seems to be that he wants that shield so he can make edits to other people's article, but he can't be touched and I disagree with that. Many of the "good guys" have no public face and it is their private information removed and without it, the article has no content. With the "bad guys," I can remove all private information, keep the public information intact and have an article still! But in the interest of FAIRNESS, we try and maybe give a more detailed description of them outside of the drama. In the meantime, the "good guys" get their deeds and actions detailed on the WikiFur, at the same time, so do the "bad guys".--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]]

Banrai

2007-04-30T10:39:44Z

Mix: /* Controversy */ Now it's 12? I thought she was still set on 7. Ken, stay out of this section, you don't know anything about it. I see no attacks present, it seems very to the point of what happened.

Banrai

2007-04-30T09:02:43Z

Mix: /* Controversy */ My name is Mix, and I also support this message. This isn't vandalism.

User:MistressKnightshade1

2007-01-11T10:27:57Z

Mix: Leave me be.

When sober, a bounding redhead with lush, vibrant energy and radiant smiles. When otherwise occupied, a redheaded lush with vibrators.

Some debate goes on as to whether Knightshade actually earns the title of "Mistress." She carries a riding crop and wears CFM boots while in fursuit. Isn't that enough?

Featured while crunked in a [[Fredryk Phox]] video. Also a fursuit seamstress. Will share boobies if properly motivated.

Talk:Mix (person)

2006-11-10T22:49:23Z

Mix: Edited out non-essential/personal part. Please keep this edit the way it is.

Talk:Mix (person)

2006-10-06T04:13:58Z

Mix: /* Additional info */

This article's tone needs to be improved. It's fine for a user page, but not a main article. I know what you're trying to say, Mix, but that's best put on your user page, not the article page. I'll leave it as is, but please, work on the tone a bit.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I've marked for SpD as there is little to extract from this article if it was cleaned up. And since the writer is not registered, it can't be moved to a user page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:14, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I figured we could have at least given him the oppurtunity to create and transfer this to a user page.. that's what I was suggesting. But yeah, SpD is just as safe a bet as this is likely a drive by.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I gave it a once-over and snipped out the worst of it, and my edit is as follows. I placed it here because I am not quite sure what you're supposed to do when editing pages with delete templates on them. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]][[User:Xax|?]]

== 'NPOV' revision, first draft ==
Mix is a retired furry and SA good, friends with [[Verix]] and [[Fredryk Fox]]. He still loves to hang out with the group in Chicago, meet new friends in the furry fandom, but he is a [[were]] not a [[furry]]. A [[werehyenataur]], to be exact. Part [[Wikipedia:Thylacine|thylacine]] as well.

Mix has stated that he has issues with organized religion, most importantly Christianity. His hatred towards all religion has had him to believe in a philosophy of spirits and polar energy, though still open-minded towards all other philosophical debates. He then relates his own philosophy to transformations and physical shifting, though he has his doubts.

Mix has a knack for his sketchbook, stating that no one may draw in it if they intend to 'sign' their work. He says, "Artwork is supposed to capture a person's soul, '''not''' their signature," claiming that signatures make the work totally abstract.

Mix claims to be more of a Communist/Fascist sort of mind-set. Though he is more of a white-supremacist, he gives every person he meets a chance to prove themselves to him as being a well established, mannered, or cool character. His opposing views quote Mix in saying, "If they act like one, I'll call them one..." He blames racial-stupidity-creating-stereotypes on genetics and improper parenting and surroundings.

Mix is a very generous person. He's been a [[super-sponsor]] for the past years that he attended [[Anthrocon]], volunteering as well.

:Good rewrite, I'll move this on to the main article. For future reference, if you can 'save' an article by doing this, feel free to delete the SpD and replace with the tidy version. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:35, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Anthrocon 2005 Section ==

This section has been reinserted for editing by [[User talk:67.176.137.5|User 67.176.137.5]] who is the subject of this article. It has been marked dubious until the facts have been established. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I can tell you that I personally saw him at AC 2005 walking around with an 8mm video camera. He also stopped by by the Operations Office on Monday morning while I was present, asked some question, then yelled "SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM" and ran out. He is most *definitely* a goon. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 10:07, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Please see my comment in [[Talk:Something Awful]] about the term "goon". --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:06, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Whether he is, is not, or ever was an SA goon, certain facts stand: I saw him at Anthrocon with the camera in question, wearing the shirt in question. These facts should not be deleted. (And gosh, just because he was wearing an SA shirt and shouting about the site, how could anyone have ''possibly'' jumped to the conclusion the he's an SA goon?)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 08:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Mix stopped by Ops on Monday (at AC2005) and asked us if we wanted "I <3 VCL" buttons. And he gave us some, which I thought was nice of him. I had actually seen him wandering around several times doing his SA routine, and although I don't think it was a particularly smart idea (because wearing a Something Awful shirt carries the same stigma as wearing a [[Burned Furs|Burned Fur]] shirt), I also don't think he was intending to be malicious. I know he was carrying the video camera around, but AFAIK he never posted any video to SA. He's apologized and seems genuinely sorry; I certainly can't fault him for that... everyone makes mistakes. And although I'm not fond of SA, I'm also not fond of setting people up to be scapegoats. Here's hoping everyone comes out of this a little wiser. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

~Trying to crank out digital film from 8mm is the same as turning a steam engine train into an electric. It's 'possible' but costs tons of money to do, and LOTS of time. Besides, I promised everyone that it was for my own personal happyness and use. I don't see furs taken aside and warned to keep their stuff off SA. *shrug* Maybe I was just poking fun at why furried hate them so much and get so overdramatic like it's a big thing that needs to be in furry history as Greenreaper said. Personally, i find that what I did at AC was not malicious in anyways, moreso just plain generous, and that creating a spot on this website is irrelevant data and a waste of space that should be ignored and deleted. Look at it from the veiw as to how others see you. If you go around at an anime convention with a shirt that says 'I like furries', a few people will think that you are repulsive and assume that you are one, some will think you are crazy for admiring them, some will like you, and some will not even know what the hell you are talking about; but I doubt they will talk endlessly about how they saw some kid at the convention wearing a 'I like furries' T-shirt. Same happened to me at AC. Some thought I was a goon, some thought I was idiotic for liking their humour, some thought I was cool (especially for having the guts for wearing the shirt (this included a guy named Tim Albee)), and some/most didn't even know what the website was about. I can't beleive that you guys are making me this rudely 'infamous' character for the fact that I simply wore a T-shirt to a convention, and acted like a nice guy during my stay. I've seen the video for Texas Furcon 2004, and thank god I didn't have my car at AC... o.o... you guys went nuts in that video.

Personal message to Mix. It happened, you did it. "The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on. Not all thy piety nor wit shall move it back to cancel one half line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it". If you're genuinely sorry for what you did, I'm sure that anyone reasonable will appreciate your apologies. But _don't_ try and expunge the incident from the record. If you don't want it mentioned here, I would suggest you just ask for exclusion. It _is_ what you're known for in the fandom, after all. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 12:00, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

For Mix, I have to wonder if you're kind of missing the point here. The encyclopedia entries are meant to be a record of fact. They're not about whether the actions were good or bad, or what effect they have on one's image, or the image of the fandom. Think of it as a collaborative documentation project. If a concensus is reached, well and good, if not, then the site seems scrupulous about reporting all points of view. -Ostrich! <")

:I was under the impression that [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone|WikiFur is not imtended to hurt anyone]]. Factuality is not our only criterion. What we write should be factual, but we an not thus obliged to write everything. If Mix states that he feels this is hurtful to him, I'd favor just letting it go. We should be recording the history worth recording; I personally won't shed any tears to see less immortalization of SA here while there's so much fading art history to conserve. -- {{UT|Sebkha}} 13:45, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Unforchantly, deciding what 'deserves' to go in is not yet a policy I think we have. Nor would I personally want one as any and all facts are worth recording IMHO. Either way, I have clearly stated facts and opinion now so this issue should be considered resolved. Any further blanking of the article will lead to those users getting longer blocks. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I understand your point, Sebkha, but at the same time I think it's worthy of note that Mix is a known "problem child" for multiple furry conventions. Whether he feels it is hurtful or not, his behavior is a matter of record, and therefore a part of the history of furry fandom, just as interactions with SA are a part of the history of furry fandom. I think including the bad with the good helps to provide context for the fandom overall, and as time goes on will provide as accurate a picture of the fandom as possible.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::~I've never done anything 'bad' at furry or anime conventions. What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Can you IM me or something about why you keep saying this? Hell, I support the charities, super-sponsor at times when I have money to spare, and I ALWAYS volunteer. Which conventions do you speak of? (Tell me on messenger though, not on here, I WANT to know 'the rumours')

:::From YOUR Policy & guidelines page:

::::''Excluding people entirely''
::::''Some people do not want information about them to be present in WikiFur. Some have retired from the furry fandom and want nothing to do with it, others feel it is too likely that people who do not like them will post information about them. This should not be abused to censor certain information but not other information: if the information is valid but the person concerned still does not want it posted, then it is probably best to just offer them the option of blanking their page entirely.''

:::( I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website.)

:::The 'question' I asked on monday to SnowPony and everyone else was if the wanted some free 'I (heart) VCL' buttons that I was passing out to everyone at the con, I think only one person wanted one in the room...

:::I'm really a nice guy, I don't deserve this. You guys say that if I don't want it mentioned, it shouldn't be mentioned. Why are you guys trying so hard to see that it does remain a stain on me? It wasn't intentional.

:::Look: http://www.livejournal.com/users/taren_/122902.html

:::There's about 100 posts about that shit now in other LJs from the LAFF list, and guess what, it's all rumours and assumptions made from this wikifur junk.
:::Thanks to this website, I can be possibly kicked out of my apartment (I'm scared because a fur owns it, and he doesn't like me much because of what he read on here I think), I'm losing old friends and potential friends, because everyone wants to bitch about me doing nothing else but 'wearing a shirt to a convention' Can you smell the drama that just has to be here for some reason?

:::I am trembling/possible suicide feelings. Again: I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website. Take ANY mention of me and my actions off this website. Please...

:::If you don't, well, I'll just deem the furry culture a bunch of jerks that crave drama for the rest of my life I guess. But I won't stop fighting for information about me to be deleted off this website!

::::Actions carry consequences. Do not even TRY to pretend that you're somehow a "victim" here. Let this be a learning experience and change how you act in the future. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:55, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't an action at all. Just because I wore a damn t-shirt means that I have to face this and endless rumours about this? I acted good at your convention, I was a super-sponsor, a volunteer, I don;'t need to be treated like this. No one seriously needs this information!!! Follow your policies of your website! I am not a furry, I am not a goon, I do not want anything posted about me on this website because it is giving others the reason to make up dumb rumours about me that are hurting me and my life. Why is this furry fandom so creul? Leave me alone! No one else talks about me, why do you insist?! TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN WEBSITE!!!

::::::I believe that particular section also says "If you really have done something particularly bad, or worked up a documented history of misdemeanors, you're going to have to live with that." I fail to see how being a goon at a con is a crime punishable by proverbial tar-and-feathering, but you may also want to keep that in mind while discussing this. I don't know Mix personally, so I'll try and let better discretion kick in here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I've looked. I don't see any proof for the assertions in the above two paragraphs following the LJ link. From what I can get that is based on their real interaction and personal knowledge of you - they don't mention WikiFur at all.

:::::::To take a few examples, there's nothing on here about you cuddling other people, and "The SA thing: back in July you posted from AC about how people were giving you shit about your SA shirt." suggests a post on SomethingAwful.com (by yourself). WikiFur wasn't even founded until the end of July.

:::::::There is also a fair amount of stuff on here favourable to you. I would argue that perhaps the section about AC should be at the AC or SA pages rather than here, otherwise this whole page is likely to disappear shortly, which I would like to avoid.

:::::::Note that the fact that you were at a convention and did certain things is not something most would consider "personal information", and so it is unlikely that there is cause to remove that from other articles on those grounds. You can argue that it is not relevant, or that it is not a fair coverage of the facts, but if it ''is'' factually accurage and deemed to be relevant then . . . well, them's the breaks. As Duncan said, if you did something and regret it, that's cool, and we'll say that you do when it's mentioned so that people get the whole story, but it doesn't mean we'll pretend it never happened. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Recommendation ==

I recommend we follow Mix's wishes and blank his pages as desired. To do anything otherwise because of his stature as or not as a member of SA flies in the face of what we've done for other people here who've requested exclusion/personal control, and shows an over arching NPOV nature and bias of the administration. Whether or not it is affecting his life as he says it is, it is clearly hurting someone and is now being done in strictly a vindictive manner.

Blank his pages and lock them. Please. Remove his involvment from this site completely. Wikifur IS hurting someone here. Just because people don't agree with him doesn't mean it's okay.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:20, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I'm willing to blank this page and lock it after relevant information has been transferred, but I would note that doing so would remove the positive information that shows the other side of the story, such as being a super-sponsor of AC. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I would suggest removing all information about Mix, and asking him not to come back. What we're seeing here is an End Run. He does not want information posted about him, and so people are moving the information off his personal page on to other pages. They are End Running around the point of blanking pages. This renders the entire policy irrelevant, as I can create an article that backhandedly references anyone who has a currently blanked page by request, or mention their negative involvement in other articles. It's CLEAR that the resolution to this is that Mix be completely blanked in all areas of Wikifur, asked not to return, and we all pretend like this never happened.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem with your suggestion is that our policy does '''not''' allow for people to be deleted from history like that. If people do something that impacts on something else and we report it as such, we won't remove that just because they don't want a personal article written about them. As it stands I feel my rewrite of the article gives a fair and balanced view and lists both the events that happened and the fact that their was no real malicious intent. As GreenReaper stated, removal and placing facts on other pages will result in the good things about the person being lost here. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::: The the policy can be end run and will need to be addressed down the road since there is now no point to it. I can create a page on the activities of any user who has requested blanking and freely use them without violation of the policies or without it falling under the policies of Wikifur. Regardless, the man has asked for his page to be blanked. He has given ample time for that. Can his page be blanked and protected per the policies and rules of Wikifur? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Its already addressed in our provisional policy [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions_on_other_pages|here]], mentions on other pages will not be removed if the information is relevant to the article concerned. We are also not quite ready yet to blank the page as we have not reached consensus and the information is not yet ready to be redistributed to other pages. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:57, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The rules clearly state that the purpose of blanking is to remove the information in question. What is so bad about removing Mix's name from the facts in question and leaving it at "A suspected SA goon?" Why does this man's name have to remain in the game?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:01, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: And by the way, administration here has blanked every page on request immediately without redistribution and end -running of information out to safe non-blankable pages. Why is there a delay here?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:03, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Because we actually '''know''' who it is. We are not censored and do not have to hide facts that can be found out elsewhere quite easily. Likewise in all those cases, there was no contest and no one requested the pages remain. Thus consensus. In this case, there is debate and that must be resolved before we can continue. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:08, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Actually, I acted more rapidly in those cases than others both because I had more time to deal with them (I'm at work right now and can pay limited attention to this) and because I did not feel they would be contentious. I disagree with your view on "back running" as I think you are misrepresenting our current policy, which only applies to personal information, which is fairly strictly defined. See [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions on other pages]] for the view on this.

:::::::: But the site you point to is a proposal. The site Mix points to which states he should be allowed to blank his page is an actual policy in play. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::::: Right, and I've said this '''will''' happen. I don't see any reason for this to happen ''immediately'', rather than in a few hours when people have had their say, and we've definitely decided what information should and should not be on this page, so that we don't blank text that should rightly be elsewhere and then can't be retrieved by users. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::The policy Mix points to doesn't cover the point of total site deletion, that's what the proposed policy will cover. Proposed policies also can still carry their weight unless objection to such points are raised. We have been loosely using the policy in regards to subject-controlled articles in one case as a trial. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:30, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: I simply don't think that the WikiFur community wants people to be able to say nothing happened about them and to have total exclusion on a sitewide basis. Specific personal information is one thing, but public actions that were known to be contentious at the time are quite another. If desired, I will try and create a formal vote on this soon, with various options for future actions. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, hey, its your wiki, not mine. I gave my suggestion, my reasons for it, and my opinion. If people continue, then the recent changes page will be the "All Mix, All The Time" page until someone stops. But, I mean, it's your wiki, not mine, so do what you wish. I'm out of this discussion and on to something else to occupy my time.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:36, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Technically its 'our' wiki as in everyone's. It doesn't belong to GreenReaper, the admins or the users. It belongs to the furry community. ;) Don't worry though, this will be resolved, I think everyone really wants to hear what Mix thinks about all this discussion. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Until consensus is reached, that's how things will be. I would actually suggest putting the top section of the page onto [[User:Mix]], because it's stuff about the user and (I think) mostly written by them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If any of the furry-haters at Something Awful are aware of how much the endless debate over the AC 2005 incident seems to have brought all other activity on WikiFur nearly to a standstill, and is threatening to undermine some participants' faith in the site, they are probably laughing louder than any of us want to know. For all of the attempts by "SA goons" to troll, harass, and deface furry websites, wouldn't they be tickled to learn that one of the most successful results was one that ''we did to ourselves without their help.''

Okay, sorry if I got a little to cynical just then, but I don't like where this is headed, and I wish everyone involved could just chill a bit and try to come to a resolution everyone can live with. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will be attending my sister's wedding and probably won't have internet access most of this weekend.

:That's what we're doing, isn't it? :-) Debate is heated, to be sure, but once it's done, it's done. Besides that, it's an important matter that deserves the attention and thoughts of those involved in the project. Making decisions between the various options is a tricky task when there is no established policy, because people naturally have differing opinions. I've already had to make a few private decisions on this sort of topic, and they weren't easy to make either. However, what we decide here may be applicable to future cases - and I'm sure we'll have them, for as long as we include information about people.

:I would note that we are lucky that this is one of the few cases in which we ''don't'' have precedent on what to do from Wikipedia. Most of the time we can just use their rules, but they don't have personal articles on "regular" people, and a lot of the stuff mentioned here (though perhaps not the AC 2005 events) would be removed from Wikipedia on verifiability gtounds. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:16, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== A Wiki Newbie's Opinion ==

To the extent that I'm allowed an opinion, I'd like to speak in favour of removing the actual 'Mix' page, which does in fact contain personal information, but leaving intact accounts of his public actions at the con.

My reasoning is that information about his religious leanings, generosity, sketchbook habits, etc., is actually personal information, and forms no real part of the history of the fandom. His actions at AC 2005 are part of the public record, though. They happened. People talked about them afterward, and I'm sure they coloured people's perceptions of the convention and the fandom itself. If you're going to allow removal of stuff like that because a participant has suddenly decided that he doesn't want the things he did to be remembered, then you're essentially giving individuals the power to go back and force changes in how certain aspects of history will be remembered and spoken of.

In the end I think it comes down to a question of what this wiki is supposed to be for. If it's just an entertainment for the participants, then I'd say go ahead and remove all mention of Mix and his actions since that's causing unhappiness. If, on the other hand, it's meant to be a knowledge base or historical resource, then I'd say remove his personal pages only (which state opinions and preferences - actual personal information), but let stand the references in other topics to his actions at AC, which are part of the public record. You can't really decide which to do without first deciding why we're here. I can't see arguments based on the stated policies of the wiki having much weight here, since the policymakers clearly didn't envision this type of situation.

:Actually, I was pretty sure this sort of thing was going to come up when I founded WikiFur - I may be dumb, but I'm not ''that'' dumb. ;-) However, the wiki way is typically to decide what the opinion is through debate, then to codify that as policies when consensus has been reached about how best to go about things. I have therefore tended to defer things until they reach a point at which all options have been presented and a decision can be made. I did copy some of Wikipedia's guidelines that were clearly applicable (or required by our hosting), but not all of them.

:As for purpose - WikiFur has always had a serious side. You can check out what we're about at [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:09, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(and BTW, how are people getting their UID and timestamp to automatically append to their posts? I'm not smart enough to figure that out). -Ostrich! <")

: A quicky for you - { { UT|username } } for your ID and talk link - without the spaces between brackets of course! - {{UT|ToyDragon}}
::Actually easier than that, if you want that nice format that ToyDragon uses, go to your [[Special:Preferences|Preference page]] and place that code in the Nickname box, set 'Raw Signatures' on and then click Save. If you want just a default signature then leave that be.
::To enter the sig and date automatically, click the signature button on the Editing toolbar or type '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' which will make the site autoenter your signature and details for you. :) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:12, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Additional info ==

I don't know if this will ever make it into the article, but I just wanted to document it here that yet another person is complaining about Mix's antics: [http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html]

I can also state that after causing several incidents at [[Anthrocon 2006]], he spent the next few weeks sending me numerous nasty messages in IM, trying to bait me into conversation. I suppose I could post those logs if anyone is interested. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry I offended you, I was just frustrated that you chose not to answer my questions about your actions against me. You and other staff members treated me with much disrespect, singling me out, and rudely commenting that they didn't care about my mistreatment, my concerns, my requests, and to say that "We know how you are." as their only reason. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Gee, what did you expect? You caused us problems two years in a row. This past year James Walton from the DI caught you in the Dealers Room after hours. I personally caught you in the Zoo with a fake axe. What did you think we were going to do, smile and nod? You cause us problems, you face the consequences, it's that simple. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: You guys never gave me a fair chance to defend myself. A dealer, name kept private until request, asked me to help her to her table to set up at her request. Yes, a 'fake' axe. I bought it from 'your' convention. If you guys have such a problem with them, stop the sales of them. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Yep, James reported that too. He also reported that you were found nowhere near the dealer table in question. I believe his description was along the lines of, "roaming the aisles".
:::: As for the axe, if you bought something like that from a dealer, you should have taken it to your room and packed it away. You were caught with it in the early morning hours in the Zoo, several hours after the Dealers' Room closed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: No one really warned me about it, unless you count that swarm of guards you ordered to demand me, if you would've approached me and just asked yourself, I would've be delighted to apollogize and listen to your request, but how you chose to go about it instead with intimidation wasn't a very polite way of asking. That was what I was trying to ask you on aim as to why didn't you take that approach. You really seemed like a jerk to do that to someone, instead of taking a simple approach. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::::: Um, you mean besides the blurb on our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct#weapons weapons policy] which states in part:
::::::: ''"No weapons or any item that can be easily mistaken for one may be carried either openly or concealed at any time in convention space, regardless of any concealed carry permits you may possess. Padded swords, bokken and similar striking implements used to practice swordplay may not be used in any convention area. Weapon replicas may be worn as part of a costume only at the Masquerade and during convention-sponsored costuming events at the discretion of the Masquerade Director, and must be cased or otherwise secured when being transported to and from that event."''
:::::: Seems pretty straightforward to me. It's published in the con book, and you had to agree to those terms in order to receive a conbadge. In the future, I suggest reading the rules for conventions that you attend. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Noted then, though when I asked to read them at registration, your buddies summed it up for me instead "Don't be a dumbass.". Also, if you guys actually followed your own rules for once, I and another tried reporting "deliberate intimidation" and basic harrassment against me by two individuals, but it went ignored. Thus resulting in the headline of the pittsburg paper "Who gave Mix a ride?", which you did nothing to prevent even though I asked you guys to do to something, numerous times, but you guys did absolutely NOTHING. The reporter then sincerely apollogized, you guys never said a word.

:::::::: Um, I mentioned that they were published in the conbook, right?
:::::::: Yes, we got your complaint. We investigated it on our end and have taken the appropriate action. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: Again, I am sorry I did not understand the full definition of the statement, and I am sorry that I unknowingly violated it. I really thought it meant no (real) weapons. I've never heard of a 120-pounder carrying around a 3-foot REAL axe, that should wiegh half his weight. Get my point? I, and various others, carried it around during the con for photo-shoots and quick snap-shots of amazed people, and not one person came up to me with a request or concern to put it away, and if someone did, we would've all had listen to that request. Nor did anyone think it was real. So 'we' all thought it was ok. Again, I am sorry. I am very used to Anime conventions, where objects like this is allowed as part of one's character. I, myself, a gnoll warrior, thus the axe.
:::::::::: As for the complaint I filed, what action have you taken? I mean, this does involve me as a victim, I should have a right to know, privately of course. chootomix@yahoo.com

:As for Banrai, until she can provide proof of her allegations, I am negating all of it. Call it: Innocent until PROVEn guilty.

:She is also accusing me of copyright infringement against her upon gounds of the infamous SA shirt that I made. Need I really prove this here? There is already a picture of me wearing the shirt on the SA wiki. Take it as another "Banrai File" case.

:So if I take a unathorized picture of Kyoht's original art, and make an icon of it, does that make it mine as well?

:Both her and I would be even-stevens and part ways she would've given back the shirt. Instead, in her entry above, she states: "If I still had that godforsaken shirt, I'd gladly give it back. The fact of the matter is that it was so ratty when it was given to me, my dog decided it would make a perfect bed and so it's not survived beyond a few measly shreds."

:But in her counter-notification report to lj-abuse when I filed with the DMCA because of her unathourized use of my "burntfurrygoon" design as her icon: "I am the original creator of this icon, I can provide futher photographs of the object the icon was taken from if need be."

:Rumours of me are getting very VERY over-exaggerated. It's very taxing on my life due to the humungous stress factor I have to face because people would rather beleive rumours about me, than the actual source, myself. Rumours about that I had Gonnerea for 6 months. Rumours about how I drove 10 hours out of my way to try and sabotage everyone's car in a few minutes, just to drive 10 hours back that same night, and I didn't even have a car. Seriously insane rumours... {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Wait... you had '''gonorrhea'''? You uh, might want to see a doctor about that. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm uncut. It happens rarely. But a 6+ month period of having it and purposely 'infecting' people with it... what idiot made that up? And which idiots beleived it? I'd rather circumsize myself with a butcher-knife and soak it in a bottle of Jack. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: So how long did you have it for? 3 months? 5 months? Did you infect people accidentally or what? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: It lasts about a week. No, but I did warn anyone who came in contact with me. It was clears up within a week with antibiotics. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:I am officially requesting that ALL information about me, including discussions, articles and sub-articles, as well as any mention of be to be removed from this website. I beleive that I am entitled to this by your agreement I agreed to. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Well, that's up to the community. Personally, I find it disgusting that you act the way you do, then try to censor what others say about you. It smacks of hypocrisy and makes you look even worse. At least have the guts to accept the consequences of your actions. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Disgusting? Tell me something, Giza. Did you ever chill with me and my friends? Spend some time, like an hour or more, with me first, then discuss my actions. Maybe you'd understand me better if you actually knew me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Nope, I haven't. How about we just get straight the point and you tell me what possible justification you have for trying to suppress criticism about you. It's not as if it somehow takes away your ability to still say what you want.

:::: As a general point, it's quite simple, really. All actions have consequences. If you want people to treat you better, you need to treat them better. That means: being considerate of others, stop antagonizing other people online, and stop trying to break rules at conventions. Maybe go do something for the community, too. I ''guarantee'' that if you start making positive contributions to the community, people will start treating you better. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: Giza, I am trying my hardest, and alot of people do say that I have improved greatly over the years. I am NOT trying to break your rules, it would be best if I knew my boundries with at least a warning, but furs don't seem to do that with me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

::::: I do believe Mix is entitled to his request to privacy. He is not a public entity in the sense of the law, and should therefore be removed per your policy. It really doesn't matter what the community has to say on it-rules are rules, and enforcing this one only seems fair. --[[User:locket|locket]]

It might be noted here that Mix has also [http://community.livejournal.com/fursecution/100208.html recently sexually harassed an individual], purportedly one of this group of 'friends' that he hangs out with. However as it appears Mix is the only one that thinks these people are his friend. As a further annotation, Mix seems to be claiming that I have told people that the ratty shirt he gave me was created by me. This is not true. However, the photographs I took are copyright to me, as the photographer. As well, the usericon that was created, was created by me. Mix never asked permission to re-use my photograh, nor the usericon that I created. This is [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/54917.html?thread=629637#t629637 not the first time] he has taken another user's icon and tried to claim it for his own. He's also quite well known for [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/58138.html false generosity] just to attempt to make others look bad, as well. More information on both cases can be found in the comments of each entry. It is very obvious here that, as past evidence shows, Mix simply can't break his habit of trying to make everyone else look bad, while playing the martyr. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:Banrai, I don't know you and you don't know me... However, I was at softball, I saw exactly what happened, and it seems both sides are blowing what happened out of proportion. The very link you posted describes the sexual harassment as, "Sema cries sexual harassment when Mix (un)intentionally brushes against her ass while both of them are waiting for food." If the witness did not believe this was an incident of sexual harassment, how can you?
:And, if you don't mind a personal observation regarding the shirt... Mix has publicly stated that he made the shirt and it is his own artwork. He has pictures at various stages of the shirt's artisitc creation to back this up. And your taking a picture of his artistic creation does not make said artwork yours. --[[User:WoodyChiTwn|WoodyChiTwn]]

:: On the subject of copyrights, if Mix did create the art on the shirt, then yes, he would have legal copyright on it. However, taking a picture of said shirt and posting the picture MIGHT constitute "fair use" under copyright law. It's really hard to say as copyright law [http://www.eff.org/legal/CyberLaw_Course/cyberlaw.008 tends to be a bit vague] on what constitutes fair use. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mix (person)

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Mix: /* Additional info */

This article's tone needs to be improved. It's fine for a user page, but not a main article. I know what you're trying to say, Mix, but that's best put on your user page, not the article page. I'll leave it as is, but please, work on the tone a bit.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I've marked for SpD as there is little to extract from this article if it was cleaned up. And since the writer is not registered, it can't be moved to a user page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:14, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I figured we could have at least given him the oppurtunity to create and transfer this to a user page.. that's what I was suggesting. But yeah, SpD is just as safe a bet as this is likely a drive by.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I gave it a once-over and snipped out the worst of it, and my edit is as follows. I placed it here because I am not quite sure what you're supposed to do when editing pages with delete templates on them. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]][[User:Xax|?]]

== 'NPOV' revision, first draft ==
Mix is a retired furry and SA good, friends with [[Verix]] and [[Fredryk Fox]]. He still loves to hang out with the group in Chicago, meet new friends in the furry fandom, but he is a [[were]] not a [[furry]]. A [[werehyenataur]], to be exact. Part [[Wikipedia:Thylacine|thylacine]] as well.

Mix has stated that he has issues with organized religion, most importantly Christianity. His hatred towards all religion has had him to believe in a philosophy of spirits and polar energy, though still open-minded towards all other philosophical debates. He then relates his own philosophy to transformations and physical shifting, though he has his doubts.

Mix has a knack for his sketchbook, stating that no one may draw in it if they intend to 'sign' their work. He says, "Artwork is supposed to capture a person's soul, '''not''' their signature," claiming that signatures make the work totally abstract.

Mix claims to be more of a Communist/Fascist sort of mind-set. Though he is more of a white-supremacist, he gives every person he meets a chance to prove themselves to him as being a well established, mannered, or cool character. His opposing views quote Mix in saying, "If they act like one, I'll call them one..." He blames racial-stupidity-creating-stereotypes on genetics and improper parenting and surroundings.

Mix is a very generous person. He's been a [[super-sponsor]] for the past years that he attended [[Anthrocon]], volunteering as well.

:Good rewrite, I'll move this on to the main article. For future reference, if you can 'save' an article by doing this, feel free to delete the SpD and replace with the tidy version. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:35, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Anthrocon 2005 Section ==

This section has been reinserted for editing by [[User talk:67.176.137.5|User 67.176.137.5]] who is the subject of this article. It has been marked dubious until the facts have been established. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I can tell you that I personally saw him at AC 2005 walking around with an 8mm video camera. He also stopped by by the Operations Office on Monday morning while I was present, asked some question, then yelled "SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM" and ran out. He is most *definitely* a goon. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 10:07, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Please see my comment in [[Talk:Something Awful]] about the term "goon". --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:06, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Whether he is, is not, or ever was an SA goon, certain facts stand: I saw him at Anthrocon with the camera in question, wearing the shirt in question. These facts should not be deleted. (And gosh, just because he was wearing an SA shirt and shouting about the site, how could anyone have ''possibly'' jumped to the conclusion the he's an SA goon?)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 08:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Mix stopped by Ops on Monday (at AC2005) and asked us if we wanted "I <3 VCL" buttons. And he gave us some, which I thought was nice of him. I had actually seen him wandering around several times doing his SA routine, and although I don't think it was a particularly smart idea (because wearing a Something Awful shirt carries the same stigma as wearing a [[Burned Furs|Burned Fur]] shirt), I also don't think he was intending to be malicious. I know he was carrying the video camera around, but AFAIK he never posted any video to SA. He's apologized and seems genuinely sorry; I certainly can't fault him for that... everyone makes mistakes. And although I'm not fond of SA, I'm also not fond of setting people up to be scapegoats. Here's hoping everyone comes out of this a little wiser. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

~Trying to crank out digital film from 8mm is the same as turning a steam engine train into an electric. It's 'possible' but costs tons of money to do, and LOTS of time. Besides, I promised everyone that it was for my own personal happyness and use. I don't see furs taken aside and warned to keep their stuff off SA. *shrug* Maybe I was just poking fun at why furried hate them so much and get so overdramatic like it's a big thing that needs to be in furry history as Greenreaper said. Personally, i find that what I did at AC was not malicious in anyways, moreso just plain generous, and that creating a spot on this website is irrelevant data and a waste of space that should be ignored and deleted. Look at it from the veiw as to how others see you. If you go around at an anime convention with a shirt that says 'I like furries', a few people will think that you are repulsive and assume that you are one, some will think you are crazy for admiring them, some will like you, and some will not even know what the hell you are talking about; but I doubt they will talk endlessly about how they saw some kid at the convention wearing a 'I like furries' T-shirt. Same happened to me at AC. Some thought I was a goon, some thought I was idiotic for liking their humour, some thought I was cool (especially for having the guts for wearing the shirt (this included a guy named Tim Albee)), and some/most didn't even know what the website was about. I can't beleive that you guys are making me this rudely 'infamous' character for the fact that I simply wore a T-shirt to a convention, and acted like a nice guy during my stay. I've seen the video for Texas Furcon 2004, and thank god I didn't have my car at AC... o.o... you guys went nuts in that video.

Personal message to Mix. It happened, you did it. "The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on. Not all thy piety nor wit shall move it back to cancel one half line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it". If you're genuinely sorry for what you did, I'm sure that anyone reasonable will appreciate your apologies. But _don't_ try and expunge the incident from the record. If you don't want it mentioned here, I would suggest you just ask for exclusion. It _is_ what you're known for in the fandom, after all. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 12:00, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

For Mix, I have to wonder if you're kind of missing the point here. The encyclopedia entries are meant to be a record of fact. They're not about whether the actions were good or bad, or what effect they have on one's image, or the image of the fandom. Think of it as a collaborative documentation project. If a concensus is reached, well and good, if not, then the site seems scrupulous about reporting all points of view. -Ostrich! <")

:I was under the impression that [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone|WikiFur is not imtended to hurt anyone]]. Factuality is not our only criterion. What we write should be factual, but we an not thus obliged to write everything. If Mix states that he feels this is hurtful to him, I'd favor just letting it go. We should be recording the history worth recording; I personally won't shed any tears to see less immortalization of SA here while there's so much fading art history to conserve. -- {{UT|Sebkha}} 13:45, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Unforchantly, deciding what 'deserves' to go in is not yet a policy I think we have. Nor would I personally want one as any and all facts are worth recording IMHO. Either way, I have clearly stated facts and opinion now so this issue should be considered resolved. Any further blanking of the article will lead to those users getting longer blocks. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I understand your point, Sebkha, but at the same time I think it's worthy of note that Mix is a known "problem child" for multiple furry conventions. Whether he feels it is hurtful or not, his behavior is a matter of record, and therefore a part of the history of furry fandom, just as interactions with SA are a part of the history of furry fandom. I think including the bad with the good helps to provide context for the fandom overall, and as time goes on will provide as accurate a picture of the fandom as possible.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::~I've never done anything 'bad' at furry or anime conventions. What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Can you IM me or something about why you keep saying this? Hell, I support the charities, super-sponsor at times when I have money to spare, and I ALWAYS volunteer. Which conventions do you speak of? (Tell me on messenger though, not on here, I WANT to know 'the rumours')

:::From YOUR Policy & guidelines page:

::::''Excluding people entirely''
::::''Some people do not want information about them to be present in WikiFur. Some have retired from the furry fandom and want nothing to do with it, others feel it is too likely that people who do not like them will post information about them. This should not be abused to censor certain information but not other information: if the information is valid but the person concerned still does not want it posted, then it is probably best to just offer them the option of blanking their page entirely.''

:::( I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website.)

:::The 'question' I asked on monday to SnowPony and everyone else was if the wanted some free 'I (heart) VCL' buttons that I was passing out to everyone at the con, I think only one person wanted one in the room...

:::I'm really a nice guy, I don't deserve this. You guys say that if I don't want it mentioned, it shouldn't be mentioned. Why are you guys trying so hard to see that it does remain a stain on me? It wasn't intentional.

:::Look: http://www.livejournal.com/users/taren_/122902.html

:::There's about 100 posts about that shit now in other LJs from the LAFF list, and guess what, it's all rumours and assumptions made from this wikifur junk.
:::Thanks to this website, I can be possibly kicked out of my apartment (I'm scared because a fur owns it, and he doesn't like me much because of what he read on here I think), I'm losing old friends and potential friends, because everyone wants to bitch about me doing nothing else but 'wearing a shirt to a convention' Can you smell the drama that just has to be here for some reason?

:::I am trembling/possible suicide feelings. Again: I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website. Take ANY mention of me and my actions off this website. Please...

:::If you don't, well, I'll just deem the furry culture a bunch of jerks that crave drama for the rest of my life I guess. But I won't stop fighting for information about me to be deleted off this website!

::::Actions carry consequences. Do not even TRY to pretend that you're somehow a "victim" here. Let this be a learning experience and change how you act in the future. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:55, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't an action at all. Just because I wore a damn t-shirt means that I have to face this and endless rumours about this? I acted good at your convention, I was a super-sponsor, a volunteer, I don;'t need to be treated like this. No one seriously needs this information!!! Follow your policies of your website! I am not a furry, I am not a goon, I do not want anything posted about me on this website because it is giving others the reason to make up dumb rumours about me that are hurting me and my life. Why is this furry fandom so creul? Leave me alone! No one else talks about me, why do you insist?! TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN WEBSITE!!!

::::::I believe that particular section also says "If you really have done something particularly bad, or worked up a documented history of misdemeanors, you're going to have to live with that." I fail to see how being a goon at a con is a crime punishable by proverbial tar-and-feathering, but you may also want to keep that in mind while discussing this. I don't know Mix personally, so I'll try and let better discretion kick in here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I've looked. I don't see any proof for the assertions in the above two paragraphs following the LJ link. From what I can get that is based on their real interaction and personal knowledge of you - they don't mention WikiFur at all.

:::::::To take a few examples, there's nothing on here about you cuddling other people, and "The SA thing: back in July you posted from AC about how people were giving you shit about your SA shirt." suggests a post on SomethingAwful.com (by yourself). WikiFur wasn't even founded until the end of July.

:::::::There is also a fair amount of stuff on here favourable to you. I would argue that perhaps the section about AC should be at the AC or SA pages rather than here, otherwise this whole page is likely to disappear shortly, which I would like to avoid.

:::::::Note that the fact that you were at a convention and did certain things is not something most would consider "personal information", and so it is unlikely that there is cause to remove that from other articles on those grounds. You can argue that it is not relevant, or that it is not a fair coverage of the facts, but if it ''is'' factually accurage and deemed to be relevant then . . . well, them's the breaks. As Duncan said, if you did something and regret it, that's cool, and we'll say that you do when it's mentioned so that people get the whole story, but it doesn't mean we'll pretend it never happened. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Recommendation ==

I recommend we follow Mix's wishes and blank his pages as desired. To do anything otherwise because of his stature as or not as a member of SA flies in the face of what we've done for other people here who've requested exclusion/personal control, and shows an over arching NPOV nature and bias of the administration. Whether or not it is affecting his life as he says it is, it is clearly hurting someone and is now being done in strictly a vindictive manner.

Blank his pages and lock them. Please. Remove his involvment from this site completely. Wikifur IS hurting someone here. Just because people don't agree with him doesn't mean it's okay.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:20, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I'm willing to blank this page and lock it after relevant information has been transferred, but I would note that doing so would remove the positive information that shows the other side of the story, such as being a super-sponsor of AC. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I would suggest removing all information about Mix, and asking him not to come back. What we're seeing here is an End Run. He does not want information posted about him, and so people are moving the information off his personal page on to other pages. They are End Running around the point of blanking pages. This renders the entire policy irrelevant, as I can create an article that backhandedly references anyone who has a currently blanked page by request, or mention their negative involvement in other articles. It's CLEAR that the resolution to this is that Mix be completely blanked in all areas of Wikifur, asked not to return, and we all pretend like this never happened.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem with your suggestion is that our policy does '''not''' allow for people to be deleted from history like that. If people do something that impacts on something else and we report it as such, we won't remove that just because they don't want a personal article written about them. As it stands I feel my rewrite of the article gives a fair and balanced view and lists both the events that happened and the fact that their was no real malicious intent. As GreenReaper stated, removal and placing facts on other pages will result in the good things about the person being lost here. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::: The the policy can be end run and will need to be addressed down the road since there is now no point to it. I can create a page on the activities of any user who has requested blanking and freely use them without violation of the policies or without it falling under the policies of Wikifur. Regardless, the man has asked for his page to be blanked. He has given ample time for that. Can his page be blanked and protected per the policies and rules of Wikifur? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Its already addressed in our provisional policy [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions_on_other_pages|here]], mentions on other pages will not be removed if the information is relevant to the article concerned. We are also not quite ready yet to blank the page as we have not reached consensus and the information is not yet ready to be redistributed to other pages. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:57, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The rules clearly state that the purpose of blanking is to remove the information in question. What is so bad about removing Mix's name from the facts in question and leaving it at "A suspected SA goon?" Why does this man's name have to remain in the game?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:01, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: And by the way, administration here has blanked every page on request immediately without redistribution and end -running of information out to safe non-blankable pages. Why is there a delay here?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:03, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Because we actually '''know''' who it is. We are not censored and do not have to hide facts that can be found out elsewhere quite easily. Likewise in all those cases, there was no contest and no one requested the pages remain. Thus consensus. In this case, there is debate and that must be resolved before we can continue. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:08, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Actually, I acted more rapidly in those cases than others both because I had more time to deal with them (I'm at work right now and can pay limited attention to this) and because I did not feel they would be contentious. I disagree with your view on "back running" as I think you are misrepresenting our current policy, which only applies to personal information, which is fairly strictly defined. See [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions on other pages]] for the view on this.

:::::::: But the site you point to is a proposal. The site Mix points to which states he should be allowed to blank his page is an actual policy in play. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::::: Right, and I've said this '''will''' happen. I don't see any reason for this to happen ''immediately'', rather than in a few hours when people have had their say, and we've definitely decided what information should and should not be on this page, so that we don't blank text that should rightly be elsewhere and then can't be retrieved by users. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::The policy Mix points to doesn't cover the point of total site deletion, that's what the proposed policy will cover. Proposed policies also can still carry their weight unless objection to such points are raised. We have been loosely using the policy in regards to subject-controlled articles in one case as a trial. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:30, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: I simply don't think that the WikiFur community wants people to be able to say nothing happened about them and to have total exclusion on a sitewide basis. Specific personal information is one thing, but public actions that were known to be contentious at the time are quite another. If desired, I will try and create a formal vote on this soon, with various options for future actions. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, hey, its your wiki, not mine. I gave my suggestion, my reasons for it, and my opinion. If people continue, then the recent changes page will be the "All Mix, All The Time" page until someone stops. But, I mean, it's your wiki, not mine, so do what you wish. I'm out of this discussion and on to something else to occupy my time.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:36, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Technically its 'our' wiki as in everyone's. It doesn't belong to GreenReaper, the admins or the users. It belongs to the furry community. ;) Don't worry though, this will be resolved, I think everyone really wants to hear what Mix thinks about all this discussion. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Until consensus is reached, that's how things will be. I would actually suggest putting the top section of the page onto [[User:Mix]], because it's stuff about the user and (I think) mostly written by them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If any of the furry-haters at Something Awful are aware of how much the endless debate over the AC 2005 incident seems to have brought all other activity on WikiFur nearly to a standstill, and is threatening to undermine some participants' faith in the site, they are probably laughing louder than any of us want to know. For all of the attempts by "SA goons" to troll, harass, and deface furry websites, wouldn't they be tickled to learn that one of the most successful results was one that ''we did to ourselves without their help.''

Okay, sorry if I got a little to cynical just then, but I don't like where this is headed, and I wish everyone involved could just chill a bit and try to come to a resolution everyone can live with. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will be attending my sister's wedding and probably won't have internet access most of this weekend.

:That's what we're doing, isn't it? :-) Debate is heated, to be sure, but once it's done, it's done. Besides that, it's an important matter that deserves the attention and thoughts of those involved in the project. Making decisions between the various options is a tricky task when there is no established policy, because people naturally have differing opinions. I've already had to make a few private decisions on this sort of topic, and they weren't easy to make either. However, what we decide here may be applicable to future cases - and I'm sure we'll have them, for as long as we include information about people.

:I would note that we are lucky that this is one of the few cases in which we ''don't'' have precedent on what to do from Wikipedia. Most of the time we can just use their rules, but they don't have personal articles on "regular" people, and a lot of the stuff mentioned here (though perhaps not the AC 2005 events) would be removed from Wikipedia on verifiability gtounds. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:16, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== A Wiki Newbie's Opinion ==

To the extent that I'm allowed an opinion, I'd like to speak in favour of removing the actual 'Mix' page, which does in fact contain personal information, but leaving intact accounts of his public actions at the con.

My reasoning is that information about his religious leanings, generosity, sketchbook habits, etc., is actually personal information, and forms no real part of the history of the fandom. His actions at AC 2005 are part of the public record, though. They happened. People talked about them afterward, and I'm sure they coloured people's perceptions of the convention and the fandom itself. If you're going to allow removal of stuff like that because a participant has suddenly decided that he doesn't want the things he did to be remembered, then you're essentially giving individuals the power to go back and force changes in how certain aspects of history will be remembered and spoken of.

In the end I think it comes down to a question of what this wiki is supposed to be for. If it's just an entertainment for the participants, then I'd say go ahead and remove all mention of Mix and his actions since that's causing unhappiness. If, on the other hand, it's meant to be a knowledge base or historical resource, then I'd say remove his personal pages only (which state opinions and preferences - actual personal information), but let stand the references in other topics to his actions at AC, which are part of the public record. You can't really decide which to do without first deciding why we're here. I can't see arguments based on the stated policies of the wiki having much weight here, since the policymakers clearly didn't envision this type of situation.

:Actually, I was pretty sure this sort of thing was going to come up when I founded WikiFur - I may be dumb, but I'm not ''that'' dumb. ;-) However, the wiki way is typically to decide what the opinion is through debate, then to codify that as policies when consensus has been reached about how best to go about things. I have therefore tended to defer things until they reach a point at which all options have been presented and a decision can be made. I did copy some of Wikipedia's guidelines that were clearly applicable (or required by our hosting), but not all of them.

:As for purpose - WikiFur has always had a serious side. You can check out what we're about at [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:09, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(and BTW, how are people getting their UID and timestamp to automatically append to their posts? I'm not smart enough to figure that out). -Ostrich! <")

: A quicky for you - { { UT|username } } for your ID and talk link - without the spaces between brackets of course! - {{UT|ToyDragon}}
::Actually easier than that, if you want that nice format that ToyDragon uses, go to your [[Special:Preferences|Preference page]] and place that code in the Nickname box, set 'Raw Signatures' on and then click Save. If you want just a default signature then leave that be.
::To enter the sig and date automatically, click the signature button on the Editing toolbar or type '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' which will make the site autoenter your signature and details for you. :) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:12, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Additional info ==

I don't know if this will ever make it into the article, but I just wanted to document it here that yet another person is complaining about Mix's antics: [http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html]

I can also state that after causing several incidents at [[Anthrocon 2006]], he spent the next few weeks sending me numerous nasty messages in IM, trying to bait me into conversation. I suppose I could post those logs if anyone is interested. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry I offended you, I was just frustrated that you chose not to answer my questions about your actions against me. You and other staff members treated me with much disrespect, singling me out, and rudely commenting that they didn't care about my mistreatment, my concerns, my requests, and to say that "We know how you are." as their only reason. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Gee, what did you expect? You caused us problems two years in a row. This past year James Walton from the DI caught you in the Dealers Room after hours. I personally caught you in the Zoo with a fake axe. What did you think we were going to do, smile and nod? You cause us problems, you face the consequences, it's that simple. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: You guys never gave me a fair chance to defend myself. A dealer, name kept private until request, asked me to help her to her table to set up at her request. Yes, a 'fake' axe. I bought it from 'your' convention. If you guys have such a problem with them, stop the sales of them. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Yep, James reported that too. He also reported that you were found nowhere near the dealer table in question. I believe his description was along the lines of, "roaming the aisles".
:::: As for the axe, if you bought something like that from a dealer, you should have taken it to your room and packed it away. You were caught with it in the early morning hours in the Zoo, several hours after the Dealers' Room closed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: No one really warned me about it, unless you count that swarm of guards you ordered to demand me, if you would've approached me and just asked yourself, I would've be delighted to apollogize and listen to your request, but how you chose to go about it instead with intimidation wasn't a very polite way of asking. That was what I was trying to ask you on aim as to why didn't you take that approach. You really seemed like a jerk to do that to someone, instead of taking a simple approach. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::::: Um, you mean besides the blurb on our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct#weapons weapons policy] which states in part:
::::::: ''"No weapons or any item that can be easily mistaken for one may be carried either openly or concealed at any time in convention space, regardless of any concealed carry permits you may possess. Padded swords, bokken and similar striking implements used to practice swordplay may not be used in any convention area. Weapon replicas may be worn as part of a costume only at the Masquerade and during convention-sponsored costuming events at the discretion of the Masquerade Director, and must be cased or otherwise secured when being transported to and from that event."''
:::::: Seems pretty straightforward to me. It's published in the con book, and you had to agree to those terms in order to receive a conbadge. In the future, I suggest reading the rules for conventions that you attend. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Noted then, though when I asked to read them at registration, your buddies summed it up for me instead "Don't be a dumbass.". Also, if you guys actually followed your own rules for once, I and another tried reporting "deliberate intimidation" and basic harrassment against me by two individuals, but it went ignored. Thus resulting in the headline of the pittsburg paper "Who gave Mix a ride?", which you did nothing to prevent even though I asked you guys to do to something, numerous times, but you guys did absolutely NOTHING. The reporter then sincerely apollogized, you guys never said a word.

:::::::: Um, I mentioned that they were published in the conbook, right?
:::::::: Yes, we got your complaint. We investigated it on our end and have taken the appropriate action. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: Again, I am sorry I did not understand the full definition of the statement, and I am sorry that I unknowingly violated it. I really thought it meant no (real) weapons. I've never heard of a 120-pounder carrying around a 3-foot REAL axe, that should wiegh half his weight. Get my point? I, and various others, carried it around during the con for photo-shoots and quick snap-shots of amazed people, and not one person came up to me with a request or concern to put it away, and if someone did, we would've all had listen to that request. Nor did anyone think it was real. So 'we' all thought it was ok. Again, I am sorry. I am very used to Anime conventions, where objects like this is allowed as part of one's character. I, myself, a gnoll warrior, thus the axe.
:::::::::: As for the complaint, what action have you taken? I mean, this does involve me, i do have a right to know, privately of course. chootomix@yahoo.com

:As for Banrai, until she can provide proof of her allegations, I am negating all of it. Call it: Innocent until PROVEn guilty.

:She is also accusing me of copyright infringement against her upon gounds of the infamous SA shirt that I made. Need I really prove this here? There is already a picture of me wearing the shirt on the SA wiki. Take it as another "Banrai File" case.

:So if I take a unathorized picture of Kyoht's original art, and make an icon of it, does that make it mine as well?

:Both her and I would be even-stevens and part ways she would've given back the shirt. Instead, in her entry above, she states: "If I still had that godforsaken shirt, I'd gladly give it back. The fact of the matter is that it was so ratty when it was given to me, my dog decided it would make a perfect bed and so it's not survived beyond a few measly shreds."

:But in her counter-notification report to lj-abuse when I filed with the DMCA because of her unathourized use of my "burntfurrygoon" design as her icon: "I am the original creator of this icon, I can provide futher photographs of the object the icon was taken from if need be."

:Rumours of me are getting very VERY over-exaggerated. It's very taxing on my life due to the humungous stress factor I have to face because people would rather beleive rumours about me, than the actual source, myself. Rumours about that I had Gonnerea for 6 months. Rumours about how I drove 10 hours out of my way to try and sabotage everyone's car in a few minutes, just to drive 10 hours back that same night, and I didn't even have a car. Seriously insane rumours... {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Wait... you had '''gonorrhea'''? You uh, might want to see a doctor about that. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm uncut. It happens rarely. But a 6+ month period of having it and purposely 'infecting' people with it... what idiot made that up? And which idiots beleived it? I'd rather circumsize myself with a butcher-knife and soak it in a bottle of Jack. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: So how long did you have it for? 3 months? 5 months? Did you infect people accidentally or what? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: It lasts about a week. No, but I did warn anyone who came in contact with me. It was clears up within a week with antibiotics. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:I am officially requesting that ALL information about me, including discussions, articles and sub-articles, as well as any mention of be to be removed from this website. I beleive that I am entitled to this by your agreement I agreed to. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Well, that's up to the community. Personally, I find it disgusting that you act the way you do, then try to censor what others say about you. It smacks of hypocrisy and makes you look even worse. At least have the guts to accept the consequences of your actions. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Disgusting? Tell me something, Giza. Did you ever chill with me and my friends? Spend some time, like an hour or more, with me first, then discuss my actions. Maybe you'd understand me better if you actually knew me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Nope, I haven't. How about we just get straight the point and you tell me what possible justification you have for trying to suppress criticism about you. It's not as if it somehow takes away your ability to still say what you want.

:::: As a general point, it's quite simple, really. All actions have consequences. If you want people to treat you better, you need to treat them better. That means: being considerate of others, stop antagonizing other people online, and stop trying to break rules at conventions. Maybe go do something for the community, too. I ''guarantee'' that if you start making positive contributions to the community, people will start treating you better. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: Giza, I am trying my hardest, and alot of people do say that I have improved greatly over the years. I am NOT trying to break your rules, it would be best if I knew my boundries with at least a warning, but furs don't seem to do that with me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

::::: I do believe Mix is entitled to his request to privacy. He is not a public entity in the sense of the law, and should therefore be removed per your policy. It really doesn't matter what the community has to say on it-rules are rules, and enforcing this one only seems fair. --[[User:locket|locket]]

It might be noted here that Mix has also [http://community.livejournal.com/fursecution/100208.html recently sexually harassed an individual], purportedly one of this group of 'friends' that he hangs out with. However as it appears Mix is the only one that thinks these people are his friend. As a further annotation, Mix seems to be claiming that I have told people that the ratty shirt he gave me was created by me. This is not true. However, the photographs I took are copyright to me, as the photographer. As well, the usericon that was created, was created by me. Mix never asked permission to re-use my photograh, nor the usericon that I created. This is [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/54917.html?thread=629637#t629637 not the first time] he has taken another user's icon and tried to claim it for his own. He's also quite well known for [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/58138.html false generosity] just to attempt to make others look bad, as well. More information on both cases can be found in the comments of each entry. It is very obvious here that, as past evidence shows, Mix simply can't break his habit of trying to make everyone else look bad, while playing the martyr. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:Banrai, I don't know you and you don't know me... However, I was at softball, I saw exactly what happened, and it seems both sides are blowing what happened out of proportion. The very link you posted describes the sexual harassment as, "Sema cries sexual harassment when Mix (un)intentionally brushes against her ass while both of them are waiting for food." If the witness did not believe this was an incident of sexual harassment, how can you?
:And, if you don't mind a personal observation regarding the shirt... Mix has publicly stated that he made the shirt and it is his own artwork. He has pictures at various stages of the shirt's artisitc creation to back this up. And your taking a picture of his artistic creation does not make said artwork yours. --[[User:WoodyChiTwn|WoodyChiTwn]]

:: On the subject of copyrights, if Mix did create the art on the shirt, then yes, he would have legal copyright on it. However, taking a picture of said shirt and posting the picture MIGHT constitute "fair use" under copyright law. It's really hard to say as copyright law [http://www.eff.org/legal/CyberLaw_Course/cyberlaw.008 tends to be a bit vague] on what constitutes fair use. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mix (person)

2006-10-06T02:37:58Z

Mix: /* Additional info */

This article's tone needs to be improved. It's fine for a user page, but not a main article. I know what you're trying to say, Mix, but that's best put on your user page, not the article page. I'll leave it as is, but please, work on the tone a bit.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I've marked for SpD as there is little to extract from this article if it was cleaned up. And since the writer is not registered, it can't be moved to a user page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:14, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I figured we could have at least given him the oppurtunity to create and transfer this to a user page.. that's what I was suggesting. But yeah, SpD is just as safe a bet as this is likely a drive by.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I gave it a once-over and snipped out the worst of it, and my edit is as follows. I placed it here because I am not quite sure what you're supposed to do when editing pages with delete templates on them. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]][[User:Xax|?]]

== 'NPOV' revision, first draft ==
Mix is a retired furry and SA good, friends with [[Verix]] and [[Fredryk Fox]]. He still loves to hang out with the group in Chicago, meet new friends in the furry fandom, but he is a [[were]] not a [[furry]]. A [[werehyenataur]], to be exact. Part [[Wikipedia:Thylacine|thylacine]] as well.

Mix has stated that he has issues with organized religion, most importantly Christianity. His hatred towards all religion has had him to believe in a philosophy of spirits and polar energy, though still open-minded towards all other philosophical debates. He then relates his own philosophy to transformations and physical shifting, though he has his doubts.

Mix has a knack for his sketchbook, stating that no one may draw in it if they intend to 'sign' their work. He says, "Artwork is supposed to capture a person's soul, '''not''' their signature," claiming that signatures make the work totally abstract.

Mix claims to be more of a Communist/Fascist sort of mind-set. Though he is more of a white-supremacist, he gives every person he meets a chance to prove themselves to him as being a well established, mannered, or cool character. His opposing views quote Mix in saying, "If they act like one, I'll call them one..." He blames racial-stupidity-creating-stereotypes on genetics and improper parenting and surroundings.

Mix is a very generous person. He's been a [[super-sponsor]] for the past years that he attended [[Anthrocon]], volunteering as well.

:Good rewrite, I'll move this on to the main article. For future reference, if you can 'save' an article by doing this, feel free to delete the SpD and replace with the tidy version. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:35, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Anthrocon 2005 Section ==

This section has been reinserted for editing by [[User talk:67.176.137.5|User 67.176.137.5]] who is the subject of this article. It has been marked dubious until the facts have been established. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I can tell you that I personally saw him at AC 2005 walking around with an 8mm video camera. He also stopped by by the Operations Office on Monday morning while I was present, asked some question, then yelled "SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM" and ran out. He is most *definitely* a goon. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 10:07, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Please see my comment in [[Talk:Something Awful]] about the term "goon". --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:06, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Whether he is, is not, or ever was an SA goon, certain facts stand: I saw him at Anthrocon with the camera in question, wearing the shirt in question. These facts should not be deleted. (And gosh, just because he was wearing an SA shirt and shouting about the site, how could anyone have ''possibly'' jumped to the conclusion the he's an SA goon?)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 08:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Mix stopped by Ops on Monday (at AC2005) and asked us if we wanted "I <3 VCL" buttons. And he gave us some, which I thought was nice of him. I had actually seen him wandering around several times doing his SA routine, and although I don't think it was a particularly smart idea (because wearing a Something Awful shirt carries the same stigma as wearing a [[Burned Furs|Burned Fur]] shirt), I also don't think he was intending to be malicious. I know he was carrying the video camera around, but AFAIK he never posted any video to SA. He's apologized and seems genuinely sorry; I certainly can't fault him for that... everyone makes mistakes. And although I'm not fond of SA, I'm also not fond of setting people up to be scapegoats. Here's hoping everyone comes out of this a little wiser. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

~Trying to crank out digital film from 8mm is the same as turning a steam engine train into an electric. It's 'possible' but costs tons of money to do, and LOTS of time. Besides, I promised everyone that it was for my own personal happyness and use. I don't see furs taken aside and warned to keep their stuff off SA. *shrug* Maybe I was just poking fun at why furried hate them so much and get so overdramatic like it's a big thing that needs to be in furry history as Greenreaper said. Personally, i find that what I did at AC was not malicious in anyways, moreso just plain generous, and that creating a spot on this website is irrelevant data and a waste of space that should be ignored and deleted. Look at it from the veiw as to how others see you. If you go around at an anime convention with a shirt that says 'I like furries', a few people will think that you are repulsive and assume that you are one, some will think you are crazy for admiring them, some will like you, and some will not even know what the hell you are talking about; but I doubt they will talk endlessly about how they saw some kid at the convention wearing a 'I like furries' T-shirt. Same happened to me at AC. Some thought I was a goon, some thought I was idiotic for liking their humour, some thought I was cool (especially for having the guts for wearing the shirt (this included a guy named Tim Albee)), and some/most didn't even know what the website was about. I can't beleive that you guys are making me this rudely 'infamous' character for the fact that I simply wore a T-shirt to a convention, and acted like a nice guy during my stay. I've seen the video for Texas Furcon 2004, and thank god I didn't have my car at AC... o.o... you guys went nuts in that video.

Personal message to Mix. It happened, you did it. "The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on. Not all thy piety nor wit shall move it back to cancel one half line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it". If you're genuinely sorry for what you did, I'm sure that anyone reasonable will appreciate your apologies. But _don't_ try and expunge the incident from the record. If you don't want it mentioned here, I would suggest you just ask for exclusion. It _is_ what you're known for in the fandom, after all. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 12:00, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

For Mix, I have to wonder if you're kind of missing the point here. The encyclopedia entries are meant to be a record of fact. They're not about whether the actions were good or bad, or what effect they have on one's image, or the image of the fandom. Think of it as a collaborative documentation project. If a concensus is reached, well and good, if not, then the site seems scrupulous about reporting all points of view. -Ostrich! <")

:I was under the impression that [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone|WikiFur is not imtended to hurt anyone]]. Factuality is not our only criterion. What we write should be factual, but we an not thus obliged to write everything. If Mix states that he feels this is hurtful to him, I'd favor just letting it go. We should be recording the history worth recording; I personally won't shed any tears to see less immortalization of SA here while there's so much fading art history to conserve. -- {{UT|Sebkha}} 13:45, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Unforchantly, deciding what 'deserves' to go in is not yet a policy I think we have. Nor would I personally want one as any and all facts are worth recording IMHO. Either way, I have clearly stated facts and opinion now so this issue should be considered resolved. Any further blanking of the article will lead to those users getting longer blocks. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I understand your point, Sebkha, but at the same time I think it's worthy of note that Mix is a known "problem child" for multiple furry conventions. Whether he feels it is hurtful or not, his behavior is a matter of record, and therefore a part of the history of furry fandom, just as interactions with SA are a part of the history of furry fandom. I think including the bad with the good helps to provide context for the fandom overall, and as time goes on will provide as accurate a picture of the fandom as possible.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::~I've never done anything 'bad' at furry or anime conventions. What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Can you IM me or something about why you keep saying this? Hell, I support the charities, super-sponsor at times when I have money to spare, and I ALWAYS volunteer. Which conventions do you speak of? (Tell me on messenger though, not on here, I WANT to know 'the rumours')

:::From YOUR Policy & guidelines page:

::::''Excluding people entirely''
::::''Some people do not want information about them to be present in WikiFur. Some have retired from the furry fandom and want nothing to do with it, others feel it is too likely that people who do not like them will post information about them. This should not be abused to censor certain information but not other information: if the information is valid but the person concerned still does not want it posted, then it is probably best to just offer them the option of blanking their page entirely.''

:::( I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website.)

:::The 'question' I asked on monday to SnowPony and everyone else was if the wanted some free 'I (heart) VCL' buttons that I was passing out to everyone at the con, I think only one person wanted one in the room...

:::I'm really a nice guy, I don't deserve this. You guys say that if I don't want it mentioned, it shouldn't be mentioned. Why are you guys trying so hard to see that it does remain a stain on me? It wasn't intentional.

:::Look: http://www.livejournal.com/users/taren_/122902.html

:::There's about 100 posts about that shit now in other LJs from the LAFF list, and guess what, it's all rumours and assumptions made from this wikifur junk.
:::Thanks to this website, I can be possibly kicked out of my apartment (I'm scared because a fur owns it, and he doesn't like me much because of what he read on here I think), I'm losing old friends and potential friends, because everyone wants to bitch about me doing nothing else but 'wearing a shirt to a convention' Can you smell the drama that just has to be here for some reason?

:::I am trembling/possible suicide feelings. Again: I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website. Take ANY mention of me and my actions off this website. Please...

:::If you don't, well, I'll just deem the furry culture a bunch of jerks that crave drama for the rest of my life I guess. But I won't stop fighting for information about me to be deleted off this website!

::::Actions carry consequences. Do not even TRY to pretend that you're somehow a "victim" here. Let this be a learning experience and change how you act in the future. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:55, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't an action at all. Just because I wore a damn t-shirt means that I have to face this and endless rumours about this? I acted good at your convention, I was a super-sponsor, a volunteer, I don;'t need to be treated like this. No one seriously needs this information!!! Follow your policies of your website! I am not a furry, I am not a goon, I do not want anything posted about me on this website because it is giving others the reason to make up dumb rumours about me that are hurting me and my life. Why is this furry fandom so creul? Leave me alone! No one else talks about me, why do you insist?! TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN WEBSITE!!!

::::::I believe that particular section also says "If you really have done something particularly bad, or worked up a documented history of misdemeanors, you're going to have to live with that." I fail to see how being a goon at a con is a crime punishable by proverbial tar-and-feathering, but you may also want to keep that in mind while discussing this. I don't know Mix personally, so I'll try and let better discretion kick in here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I've looked. I don't see any proof for the assertions in the above two paragraphs following the LJ link. From what I can get that is based on their real interaction and personal knowledge of you - they don't mention WikiFur at all.

:::::::To take a few examples, there's nothing on here about you cuddling other people, and "The SA thing: back in July you posted from AC about how people were giving you shit about your SA shirt." suggests a post on SomethingAwful.com (by yourself). WikiFur wasn't even founded until the end of July.

:::::::There is also a fair amount of stuff on here favourable to you. I would argue that perhaps the section about AC should be at the AC or SA pages rather than here, otherwise this whole page is likely to disappear shortly, which I would like to avoid.

:::::::Note that the fact that you were at a convention and did certain things is not something most would consider "personal information", and so it is unlikely that there is cause to remove that from other articles on those grounds. You can argue that it is not relevant, or that it is not a fair coverage of the facts, but if it ''is'' factually accurage and deemed to be relevant then . . . well, them's the breaks. As Duncan said, if you did something and regret it, that's cool, and we'll say that you do when it's mentioned so that people get the whole story, but it doesn't mean we'll pretend it never happened. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Recommendation ==

I recommend we follow Mix's wishes and blank his pages as desired. To do anything otherwise because of his stature as or not as a member of SA flies in the face of what we've done for other people here who've requested exclusion/personal control, and shows an over arching NPOV nature and bias of the administration. Whether or not it is affecting his life as he says it is, it is clearly hurting someone and is now being done in strictly a vindictive manner.

Blank his pages and lock them. Please. Remove his involvment from this site completely. Wikifur IS hurting someone here. Just because people don't agree with him doesn't mean it's okay.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:20, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I'm willing to blank this page and lock it after relevant information has been transferred, but I would note that doing so would remove the positive information that shows the other side of the story, such as being a super-sponsor of AC. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I would suggest removing all information about Mix, and asking him not to come back. What we're seeing here is an End Run. He does not want information posted about him, and so people are moving the information off his personal page on to other pages. They are End Running around the point of blanking pages. This renders the entire policy irrelevant, as I can create an article that backhandedly references anyone who has a currently blanked page by request, or mention their negative involvement in other articles. It's CLEAR that the resolution to this is that Mix be completely blanked in all areas of Wikifur, asked not to return, and we all pretend like this never happened.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem with your suggestion is that our policy does '''not''' allow for people to be deleted from history like that. If people do something that impacts on something else and we report it as such, we won't remove that just because they don't want a personal article written about them. As it stands I feel my rewrite of the article gives a fair and balanced view and lists both the events that happened and the fact that their was no real malicious intent. As GreenReaper stated, removal and placing facts on other pages will result in the good things about the person being lost here. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::: The the policy can be end run and will need to be addressed down the road since there is now no point to it. I can create a page on the activities of any user who has requested blanking and freely use them without violation of the policies or without it falling under the policies of Wikifur. Regardless, the man has asked for his page to be blanked. He has given ample time for that. Can his page be blanked and protected per the policies and rules of Wikifur? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Its already addressed in our provisional policy [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions_on_other_pages|here]], mentions on other pages will not be removed if the information is relevant to the article concerned. We are also not quite ready yet to blank the page as we have not reached consensus and the information is not yet ready to be redistributed to other pages. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:57, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The rules clearly state that the purpose of blanking is to remove the information in question. What is so bad about removing Mix's name from the facts in question and leaving it at "A suspected SA goon?" Why does this man's name have to remain in the game?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:01, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: And by the way, administration here has blanked every page on request immediately without redistribution and end -running of information out to safe non-blankable pages. Why is there a delay here?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:03, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Because we actually '''know''' who it is. We are not censored and do not have to hide facts that can be found out elsewhere quite easily. Likewise in all those cases, there was no contest and no one requested the pages remain. Thus consensus. In this case, there is debate and that must be resolved before we can continue. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:08, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Actually, I acted more rapidly in those cases than others both because I had more time to deal with them (I'm at work right now and can pay limited attention to this) and because I did not feel they would be contentious. I disagree with your view on "back running" as I think you are misrepresenting our current policy, which only applies to personal information, which is fairly strictly defined. See [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions on other pages]] for the view on this.

:::::::: But the site you point to is a proposal. The site Mix points to which states he should be allowed to blank his page is an actual policy in play. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::::: Right, and I've said this '''will''' happen. I don't see any reason for this to happen ''immediately'', rather than in a few hours when people have had their say, and we've definitely decided what information should and should not be on this page, so that we don't blank text that should rightly be elsewhere and then can't be retrieved by users. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::The policy Mix points to doesn't cover the point of total site deletion, that's what the proposed policy will cover. Proposed policies also can still carry their weight unless objection to such points are raised. We have been loosely using the policy in regards to subject-controlled articles in one case as a trial. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:30, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: I simply don't think that the WikiFur community wants people to be able to say nothing happened about them and to have total exclusion on a sitewide basis. Specific personal information is one thing, but public actions that were known to be contentious at the time are quite another. If desired, I will try and create a formal vote on this soon, with various options for future actions. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, hey, its your wiki, not mine. I gave my suggestion, my reasons for it, and my opinion. If people continue, then the recent changes page will be the "All Mix, All The Time" page until someone stops. But, I mean, it's your wiki, not mine, so do what you wish. I'm out of this discussion and on to something else to occupy my time.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:36, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Technically its 'our' wiki as in everyone's. It doesn't belong to GreenReaper, the admins or the users. It belongs to the furry community. ;) Don't worry though, this will be resolved, I think everyone really wants to hear what Mix thinks about all this discussion. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Until consensus is reached, that's how things will be. I would actually suggest putting the top section of the page onto [[User:Mix]], because it's stuff about the user and (I think) mostly written by them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If any of the furry-haters at Something Awful are aware of how much the endless debate over the AC 2005 incident seems to have brought all other activity on WikiFur nearly to a standstill, and is threatening to undermine some participants' faith in the site, they are probably laughing louder than any of us want to know. For all of the attempts by "SA goons" to troll, harass, and deface furry websites, wouldn't they be tickled to learn that one of the most successful results was one that ''we did to ourselves without their help.''

Okay, sorry if I got a little to cynical just then, but I don't like where this is headed, and I wish everyone involved could just chill a bit and try to come to a resolution everyone can live with. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will be attending my sister's wedding and probably won't have internet access most of this weekend.

:That's what we're doing, isn't it? :-) Debate is heated, to be sure, but once it's done, it's done. Besides that, it's an important matter that deserves the attention and thoughts of those involved in the project. Making decisions between the various options is a tricky task when there is no established policy, because people naturally have differing opinions. I've already had to make a few private decisions on this sort of topic, and they weren't easy to make either. However, what we decide here may be applicable to future cases - and I'm sure we'll have them, for as long as we include information about people.

:I would note that we are lucky that this is one of the few cases in which we ''don't'' have precedent on what to do from Wikipedia. Most of the time we can just use their rules, but they don't have personal articles on "regular" people, and a lot of the stuff mentioned here (though perhaps not the AC 2005 events) would be removed from Wikipedia on verifiability gtounds. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:16, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== A Wiki Newbie's Opinion ==

To the extent that I'm allowed an opinion, I'd like to speak in favour of removing the actual 'Mix' page, which does in fact contain personal information, but leaving intact accounts of his public actions at the con.

My reasoning is that information about his religious leanings, generosity, sketchbook habits, etc., is actually personal information, and forms no real part of the history of the fandom. His actions at AC 2005 are part of the public record, though. They happened. People talked about them afterward, and I'm sure they coloured people's perceptions of the convention and the fandom itself. If you're going to allow removal of stuff like that because a participant has suddenly decided that he doesn't want the things he did to be remembered, then you're essentially giving individuals the power to go back and force changes in how certain aspects of history will be remembered and spoken of.

In the end I think it comes down to a question of what this wiki is supposed to be for. If it's just an entertainment for the participants, then I'd say go ahead and remove all mention of Mix and his actions since that's causing unhappiness. If, on the other hand, it's meant to be a knowledge base or historical resource, then I'd say remove his personal pages only (which state opinions and preferences - actual personal information), but let stand the references in other topics to his actions at AC, which are part of the public record. You can't really decide which to do without first deciding why we're here. I can't see arguments based on the stated policies of the wiki having much weight here, since the policymakers clearly didn't envision this type of situation.

:Actually, I was pretty sure this sort of thing was going to come up when I founded WikiFur - I may be dumb, but I'm not ''that'' dumb. ;-) However, the wiki way is typically to decide what the opinion is through debate, then to codify that as policies when consensus has been reached about how best to go about things. I have therefore tended to defer things until they reach a point at which all options have been presented and a decision can be made. I did copy some of Wikipedia's guidelines that were clearly applicable (or required by our hosting), but not all of them.

:As for purpose - WikiFur has always had a serious side. You can check out what we're about at [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:09, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(and BTW, how are people getting their UID and timestamp to automatically append to their posts? I'm not smart enough to figure that out). -Ostrich! <")

: A quicky for you - { { UT|username } } for your ID and talk link - without the spaces between brackets of course! - {{UT|ToyDragon}}
::Actually easier than that, if you want that nice format that ToyDragon uses, go to your [[Special:Preferences|Preference page]] and place that code in the Nickname box, set 'Raw Signatures' on and then click Save. If you want just a default signature then leave that be.
::To enter the sig and date automatically, click the signature button on the Editing toolbar or type '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' which will make the site autoenter your signature and details for you. :) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:12, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Additional info ==

I don't know if this will ever make it into the article, but I just wanted to document it here that yet another person is complaining about Mix's antics: [http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html]

I can also state that after causing several incidents at [[Anthrocon 2006]], he spent the next few weeks sending me numerous nasty messages in IM, trying to bait me into conversation. I suppose I could post those logs if anyone is interested. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry I offended you, I was just frustrated that you chose not to answer my questions about your actions against me. You and other staff members treated me with much disrespect, singling me out, and rudely commenting that they didn't care about my mistreatment, my concerns, my requests, and to say that "We know how you are." as their only reason. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Gee, what did you expect? You caused us problems two years in a row. This past year James Walton from the DI caught you in the Dealers Room after hours. I personally caught you in the Zoo with a fake axe. What did you think we were going to do, smile and nod? You cause us problems, you face the consequences, it's that simple. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: You guys never gave me a fair chance to defend myself. A dealer, name kept private until request, asked me to help her to her table to set up at her request. Yes, a 'fake' axe. I bought it from 'your' convention. If you guys have such a problem with them, stop the sales of them. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Yep, James reported that too. He also reported that you were found nowhere near the dealer table in question. I believe his description was along the lines of, "roaming the aisles".
:::: As for the axe, if you bought something like that from a dealer, you should have taken it to your room and packed it away. You were caught with it in the early morning hours in the Zoo, several hours after the Dealers' Room closed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: No one really warned me about it, unless you count that swarm of guards you ordered to demand me, if you would've approached me and just asked yourself, I would've be delighted to apollogize and listen to your request, but how you chose to go about it instead with intimidation wasn't a very polite way of asking. That was what I was trying to ask you on aim as to why didn't you take that approach. You really seemed like a jerk to do that to someone, instead of taking a simple approach. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::::: Um, you mean besides the blurb on our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct#weapons weapons policy] which states in part:
::::::: ''"No weapons or any item that can be easily mistaken for one may be carried either openly or concealed at any time in convention space, regardless of any concealed carry permits you may possess. Padded swords, bokken and similar striking implements used to practice swordplay may not be used in any convention area. Weapon replicas may be worn as part of a costume only at the Masquerade and during convention-sponsored costuming events at the discretion of the Masquerade Director, and must be cased or otherwise secured when being transported to and from that event."''
:::::: Seems pretty straightforward to me. It's published in the con book, and you had to agree to those terms in order to receive a conbadge. In the future, I suggest reading the rules for conventions that you attend. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 01:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Noted then, though when I asked to read them at registration, your buddies summed it up for me instead "Don't be a dumbass.". Also, if you guys actually followed your own rules for once, I and another tried reporting "deliberate intimidation" and basic harrassment against me by two individuals, but it went ignored. Thus resulting in the headline of the pittsburg paper "Who gave Mix a ride?", which you did nothing to prevent even though I asked you guys to do to something, numerous times, but you guys did absolutely NOTHING. The reporter then sincerely apollogized, you guys never said a word.

:As for Banrai, until she can provide proof of her allegations, I am negating all of it. Call it: Innocent until PROVEn guilty.

:She is also accusing me of copyright infringement against her upon gounds of the infamous SA shirt that I made. Need I really prove this here? There is already a picture of me wearing the shirt on the SA wiki. Take it as another "Banrai File" case.

:So if I take a unathorized picture of Kyoht's original art, and make an icon of it, does that make it mine as well?

:Both her and I would be even-stevens and part ways she would've given back the shirt. Instead, in her entry above, she states: "If I still had that godforsaken shirt, I'd gladly give it back. The fact of the matter is that it was so ratty when it was given to me, my dog decided it would make a perfect bed and so it's not survived beyond a few measly shreds."

:But in her counter-notification report to lj-abuse when I filed with the DMCA because of her unathourized use of my "burntfurrygoon" design as her icon: "I am the original creator of this icon, I can provide futher photographs of the object the icon was taken from if need be."

:Rumours of me are getting very VERY over-exaggerated. It's very taxing on my life due to the humungous stress factor I have to face because people would rather beleive rumours about me, than the actual source, myself. Rumours about that I had Gonnerea for 6 months. Rumours about how I drove 10 hours out of my way to try and sabotage everyone's car in a few minutes, just to drive 10 hours back that same night, and I didn't even have a car. Seriously insane rumours... {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Wait... you had '''gonorrhea'''? You uh, might want to see a doctor about that. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm uncut. It happens rarely. But a 6+ month period of having it and purposely 'infecting' people with it... what idiot made that up? And which idiots beleived it? I'd rather circumsize myself with a butcher-knife and soak it in a bottle of Jack. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: So how long did you have it for? 3 months? 5 months? Did you infect people accidentally or what? --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: It lasts about a week. No, but I did warn anyone who came in contact with me. It was clears up within a week with antibiotics. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:I am officially requesting that ALL information about me, including discussions, articles and sub-articles, as well as any mention of be to be removed from this website. I beleive that I am entitled to this by your agreement I agreed to. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Well, that's up to the community. Personally, I find it disgusting that you act the way you do, then try to censor what others say about you. It smacks of hypocrisy and makes you look even worse. At least have the guts to accept the consequences of your actions. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Disgusting? Tell me something, Giza. Did you ever chill with me and my friends? Spend some time, like an hour or more, with me first, then discuss my actions. Maybe you'd understand me better if you actually knew me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:::: Nope, I haven't. How about we just get straight the point and you tell me what possible justification you have for trying to suppress criticism about you. It's not as if it somehow takes away your ability to still say what you want.

:::: As a general point, it's quite simple, really. All actions have consequences. If you want people to treat you better, you need to treat them better. That means: being considerate of others, stop antagonizing other people online, and stop trying to break rules at conventions. Maybe go do something for the community, too. I ''guarantee'' that if you start making positive contributions to the community, people will start treating you better. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 22:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: Giza, I am trying my hardest, and alot of people do say that I have improved greatly over the years. I am NOT trying to break your rules, it would be best if I knew my boundries with at least a warning, but furs don't seem to do that with me. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

::::: I do believe Mix is entitled to his request to privacy. He is not a public entity in the sense of the law, and should therefore be removed per your policy. It really doesn't matter what the community has to say on it-rules are rules, and enforcing this one only seems fair. --[[User:locket|locket]]

It might be noted here that Mix has also [http://community.livejournal.com/fursecution/100208.html recently sexually harassed an individual], purportedly one of this group of 'friends' that he hangs out with. However as it appears Mix is the only one that thinks these people are his friend. As a further annotation, Mix seems to be claiming that I have told people that the ratty shirt he gave me was created by me. This is not true. However, the photographs I took are copyright to me, as the photographer. As well, the usericon that was created, was created by me. Mix never asked permission to re-use my photograh, nor the usericon that I created. This is [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/54917.html?thread=629637#t629637 not the first time] he has taken another user's icon and tried to claim it for his own. He's also quite well known for [http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/58138.html false generosity] just to attempt to make others look bad, as well. More information on both cases can be found in the comments of each entry. It is very obvious here that, as past evidence shows, Mix simply can't break his habit of trying to make everyone else look bad, while playing the martyr. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:Banrai, I don't know you and you don't know me... However, I was at softball, I saw exactly what happened, and it seems both sides are blowing what happened out of proportion. The very link you posted describes the sexual harassment as, "Sema cries sexual harassment when Mix (un)intentionally brushes against her ass while both of them are waiting for food." If the witness did not believe this was an incident of sexual harassment, how can you?
:And, if you don't mind a personal observation regarding the shirt... Mix has publicly stated that he made the shirt and it is his own artwork. He has pictures at various stages of the shirt's artisitc creation to back this up. And your taking a picture of his artistic creation does not make said artwork yours. --[[User:WoodyChiTwn|WoodyChiTwn]]

Talk:Mix (person)

2006-10-05T21:48:41Z

Mix: /* Additional info */

This article's tone needs to be improved. It's fine for a user page, but not a main article. I know what you're trying to say, Mix, but that's best put on your user page, not the article page. I'll leave it as is, but please, work on the tone a bit.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:11, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I've marked for SpD as there is little to extract from this article if it was cleaned up. And since the writer is not registered, it can't be moved to a user page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:14, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I figured we could have at least given him the oppurtunity to create and transfer this to a user page.. that's what I was suggesting. But yeah, SpD is just as safe a bet as this is likely a drive by.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 20:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I gave it a once-over and snipped out the worst of it, and my edit is as follows. I placed it here because I am not quite sure what you're supposed to do when editing pages with delete templates on them. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]][[User:Xax|?]]

== 'NPOV' revision, first draft ==
Mix is a retired furry and SA good, friends with [[Verix]] and [[Fredryk Fox]]. He still loves to hang out with the group in Chicago, meet new friends in the furry fandom, but he is a [[were]] not a [[furry]]. A [[werehyenataur]], to be exact. Part [[Wikipedia:Thylacine|thylacine]] as well.

Mix has stated that he has issues with organized religion, most importantly Christianity. His hatred towards all religion has had him to believe in a philosophy of spirits and polar energy, though still open-minded towards all other philosophical debates. He then relates his own philosophy to transformations and physical shifting, though he has his doubts.

Mix has a knack for his sketchbook, stating that no one may draw in it if they intend to 'sign' their work. He says, "Artwork is supposed to capture a person's soul, '''not''' their signature," claiming that signatures make the work totally abstract.

Mix claims to be more of a Communist/Fascist sort of mind-set. Though he is more of a white-supremacist, he gives every person he meets a chance to prove themselves to him as being a well established, mannered, or cool character. His opposing views quote Mix in saying, "If they act like one, I'll call them one..." He blames racial-stupidity-creating-stereotypes on genetics and improper parenting and surroundings.

Mix is a very generous person. He's been a [[super-sponsor]] for the past years that he attended [[Anthrocon]], volunteering as well.

:Good rewrite, I'll move this on to the main article. For future reference, if you can 'save' an article by doing this, feel free to delete the SpD and replace with the tidy version. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:35, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Anthrocon 2005 Section ==

This section has been reinserted for editing by [[User talk:67.176.137.5|User 67.176.137.5]] who is the subject of this article. It has been marked dubious until the facts have been established. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I can tell you that I personally saw him at AC 2005 walking around with an 8mm video camera. He also stopped by by the Operations Office on Monday morning while I was present, asked some question, then yelled "SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM" and ran out. He is most *definitely* a goon. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 10:07, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Please see my comment in [[Talk:Something Awful]] about the term "goon". --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:06, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Whether he is, is not, or ever was an SA goon, certain facts stand: I saw him at Anthrocon with the camera in question, wearing the shirt in question. These facts should not be deleted. (And gosh, just because he was wearing an SA shirt and shouting about the site, how could anyone have ''possibly'' jumped to the conclusion the he's an SA goon?)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 08:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Mix stopped by Ops on Monday (at AC2005) and asked us if we wanted "I <3 VCL" buttons. And he gave us some, which I thought was nice of him. I had actually seen him wandering around several times doing his SA routine, and although I don't think it was a particularly smart idea (because wearing a Something Awful shirt carries the same stigma as wearing a [[Burned Furs|Burned Fur]] shirt), I also don't think he was intending to be malicious. I know he was carrying the video camera around, but AFAIK he never posted any video to SA. He's apologized and seems genuinely sorry; I certainly can't fault him for that... everyone makes mistakes. And although I'm not fond of SA, I'm also not fond of setting people up to be scapegoats. Here's hoping everyone comes out of this a little wiser. -:) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

~Trying to crank out digital film from 8mm is the same as turning a steam engine train into an electric. It's 'possible' but costs tons of money to do, and LOTS of time. Besides, I promised everyone that it was for my own personal happyness and use. I don't see furs taken aside and warned to keep their stuff off SA. *shrug* Maybe I was just poking fun at why furried hate them so much and get so overdramatic like it's a big thing that needs to be in furry history as Greenreaper said. Personally, i find that what I did at AC was not malicious in anyways, moreso just plain generous, and that creating a spot on this website is irrelevant data and a waste of space that should be ignored and deleted. Look at it from the veiw as to how others see you. If you go around at an anime convention with a shirt that says 'I like furries', a few people will think that you are repulsive and assume that you are one, some will think you are crazy for admiring them, some will like you, and some will not even know what the hell you are talking about; but I doubt they will talk endlessly about how they saw some kid at the convention wearing a 'I like furries' T-shirt. Same happened to me at AC. Some thought I was a goon, some thought I was idiotic for liking their humour, some thought I was cool (especially for having the guts for wearing the shirt (this included a guy named Tim Albee)), and some/most didn't even know what the website was about. I can't beleive that you guys are making me this rudely 'infamous' character for the fact that I simply wore a T-shirt to a convention, and acted like a nice guy during my stay. I've seen the video for Texas Furcon 2004, and thank god I didn't have my car at AC... o.o... you guys went nuts in that video.

Personal message to Mix. It happened, you did it. "The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on. Not all thy piety nor wit shall move it back to cancel one half line, nor all thy tears wash out a word of it". If you're genuinely sorry for what you did, I'm sure that anyone reasonable will appreciate your apologies. But _don't_ try and expunge the incident from the record. If you don't want it mentioned here, I would suggest you just ask for exclusion. It _is_ what you're known for in the fandom, after all. [[User:Tevildo|Tevildo]] 12:00, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

For Mix, I have to wonder if you're kind of missing the point here. The encyclopedia entries are meant to be a record of fact. They're not about whether the actions were good or bad, or what effect they have on one's image, or the image of the fandom. Think of it as a collaborative documentation project. If a concensus is reached, well and good, if not, then the site seems scrupulous about reporting all points of view. -Ostrich! <")

:I was under the impression that [[WikiFur:What_WikiFur_is_not#WikiFur_is_not_intended_to_hurt_anyone|WikiFur is not imtended to hurt anyone]]. Factuality is not our only criterion. What we write should be factual, but we an not thus obliged to write everything. If Mix states that he feels this is hurtful to him, I'd favor just letting it go. We should be recording the history worth recording; I personally won't shed any tears to see less immortalization of SA here while there's so much fading art history to conserve. -- {{UT|Sebkha}} 13:45, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Unforchantly, deciding what 'deserves' to go in is not yet a policy I think we have. Nor would I personally want one as any and all facts are worth recording IMHO. Either way, I have clearly stated facts and opinion now so this issue should be considered resolved. Any further blanking of the article will lead to those users getting longer blocks. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 13:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I understand your point, Sebkha, but at the same time I think it's worthy of note that Mix is a known "problem child" for multiple furry conventions. Whether he feels it is hurtful or not, his behavior is a matter of record, and therefore a part of the history of furry fandom, just as interactions with SA are a part of the history of furry fandom. I think including the bad with the good helps to provide context for the fandom overall, and as time goes on will provide as accurate a picture of the fandom as possible.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::~I've never done anything 'bad' at furry or anime conventions. What the hell are you talking about Duncan? Can you IM me or something about why you keep saying this? Hell, I support the charities, super-sponsor at times when I have money to spare, and I ALWAYS volunteer. Which conventions do you speak of? (Tell me on messenger though, not on here, I WANT to know 'the rumours')

:::From YOUR Policy & guidelines page:

::::''Excluding people entirely''
::::''Some people do not want information about them to be present in WikiFur. Some have retired from the furry fandom and want nothing to do with it, others feel it is too likely that people who do not like them will post information about them. This should not be abused to censor certain information but not other information: if the information is valid but the person concerned still does not want it posted, then it is probably best to just offer them the option of blanking their page entirely.''

:::( I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website.)

:::The 'question' I asked on monday to SnowPony and everyone else was if the wanted some free 'I (heart) VCL' buttons that I was passing out to everyone at the con, I think only one person wanted one in the room...

:::I'm really a nice guy, I don't deserve this. You guys say that if I don't want it mentioned, it shouldn't be mentioned. Why are you guys trying so hard to see that it does remain a stain on me? It wasn't intentional.

:::Look: http://www.livejournal.com/users/taren_/122902.html

:::There's about 100 posts about that shit now in other LJs from the LAFF list, and guess what, it's all rumours and assumptions made from this wikifur junk.
:::Thanks to this website, I can be possibly kicked out of my apartment (I'm scared because a fur owns it, and he doesn't like me much because of what he read on here I think), I'm losing old friends and potential friends, because everyone wants to bitch about me doing nothing else but 'wearing a shirt to a convention' Can you smell the drama that just has to be here for some reason?

:::I am trembling/possible suicide feelings. Again: I just don't want to be 'profile'd on this website. I don't want my name on this website. I don't want anything involving me or my actions on this website. Take ANY mention of me and my actions off this website. Please...

:::If you don't, well, I'll just deem the furry culture a bunch of jerks that crave drama for the rest of my life I guess. But I won't stop fighting for information about me to be deleted off this website!

::::Actions carry consequences. Do not even TRY to pretend that you're somehow a "victim" here. Let this be a learning experience and change how you act in the future. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:55, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::It wasn't an action at all. Just because I wore a damn t-shirt means that I have to face this and endless rumours about this? I acted good at your convention, I was a super-sponsor, a volunteer, I don;'t need to be treated like this. No one seriously needs this information!!! Follow your policies of your website! I am not a furry, I am not a goon, I do not want anything posted about me on this website because it is giving others the reason to make up dumb rumours about me that are hurting me and my life. Why is this furry fandom so creul? Leave me alone! No one else talks about me, why do you insist?! TAKE ME OFF THIS DAMN WEBSITE!!!

::::::I believe that particular section also says "If you really have done something particularly bad, or worked up a documented history of misdemeanors, you're going to have to live with that." I fail to see how being a goon at a con is a crime punishable by proverbial tar-and-feathering, but you may also want to keep that in mind while discussing this. I don't know Mix personally, so I'll try and let better discretion kick in here. --[[User:Scani|Scani]] 16:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I've looked. I don't see any proof for the assertions in the above two paragraphs following the LJ link. From what I can get that is based on their real interaction and personal knowledge of you - they don't mention WikiFur at all.

:::::::To take a few examples, there's nothing on here about you cuddling other people, and "The SA thing: back in July you posted from AC about how people were giving you shit about your SA shirt." suggests a post on SomethingAwful.com (by yourself). WikiFur wasn't even founded until the end of July.

:::::::There is also a fair amount of stuff on here favourable to you. I would argue that perhaps the section about AC should be at the AC or SA pages rather than here, otherwise this whole page is likely to disappear shortly, which I would like to avoid.

:::::::Note that the fact that you were at a convention and did certain things is not something most would consider "personal information", and so it is unlikely that there is cause to remove that from other articles on those grounds. You can argue that it is not relevant, or that it is not a fair coverage of the facts, but if it ''is'' factually accurage and deemed to be relevant then . . . well, them's the breaks. As Duncan said, if you did something and regret it, that's cool, and we'll say that you do when it's mentioned so that people get the whole story, but it doesn't mean we'll pretend it never happened. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Recommendation ==

I recommend we follow Mix's wishes and blank his pages as desired. To do anything otherwise because of his stature as or not as a member of SA flies in the face of what we've done for other people here who've requested exclusion/personal control, and shows an over arching NPOV nature and bias of the administration. Whether or not it is affecting his life as he says it is, it is clearly hurting someone and is now being done in strictly a vindictive manner.

Blank his pages and lock them. Please. Remove his involvment from this site completely. Wikifur IS hurting someone here. Just because people don't agree with him doesn't mean it's okay.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:20, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I'm willing to blank this page and lock it after relevant information has been transferred, but I would note that doing so would remove the positive information that shows the other side of the story, such as being a super-sponsor of AC. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:28, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I would suggest removing all information about Mix, and asking him not to come back. What we're seeing here is an End Run. He does not want information posted about him, and so people are moving the information off his personal page on to other pages. They are End Running around the point of blanking pages. This renders the entire policy irrelevant, as I can create an article that backhandedly references anyone who has a currently blanked page by request, or mention their negative involvement in other articles. It's CLEAR that the resolution to this is that Mix be completely blanked in all areas of Wikifur, asked not to return, and we all pretend like this never happened.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::The problem with your suggestion is that our policy does '''not''' allow for people to be deleted from history like that. If people do something that impacts on something else and we report it as such, we won't remove that just because they don't want a personal article written about them. As it stands I feel my rewrite of the article gives a fair and balanced view and lists both the events that happened and the fact that their was no real malicious intent. As GreenReaper stated, removal and placing facts on other pages will result in the good things about the person being lost here. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::: The the policy can be end run and will need to be addressed down the road since there is now no point to it. I can create a page on the activities of any user who has requested blanking and freely use them without violation of the policies or without it falling under the policies of Wikifur. Regardless, the man has asked for his page to be blanked. He has given ample time for that. Can his page be blanked and protected per the policies and rules of Wikifur? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:48, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::Its already addressed in our provisional policy [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions_on_other_pages|here]], mentions on other pages will not be removed if the information is relevant to the article concerned. We are also not quite ready yet to blank the page as we have not reached consensus and the information is not yet ready to be redistributed to other pages. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:57, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The rules clearly state that the purpose of blanking is to remove the information in question. What is so bad about removing Mix's name from the facts in question and leaving it at "A suspected SA goon?" Why does this man's name have to remain in the game?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:01, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::: And by the way, administration here has blanked every page on request immediately without redistribution and end -running of information out to safe non-blankable pages. Why is there a delay here?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:03, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Because we actually '''know''' who it is. We are not censored and do not have to hide facts that can be found out elsewhere quite easily. Likewise in all those cases, there was no contest and no one requested the pages remain. Thus consensus. In this case, there is debate and that must be resolved before we can continue. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:08, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: Actually, I acted more rapidly in those cases than others both because I had more time to deal with them (I'm at work right now and can pay limited attention to this) and because I did not feel they would be contentious. I disagree with your view on "back running" as I think you are misrepresenting our current policy, which only applies to personal information, which is fairly strictly defined. See [[WikiFur:Personal_information#Mentions on other pages]] for the view on this.

:::::::: But the site you point to is a proposal. The site Mix points to which states he should be allowed to blank his page is an actual policy in play. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::::: Right, and I've said this '''will''' happen. I don't see any reason for this to happen ''immediately'', rather than in a few hours when people have had their say, and we've definitely decided what information should and should not be on this page, so that we don't blank text that should rightly be elsewhere and then can't be retrieved by users. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::The policy Mix points to doesn't cover the point of total site deletion, that's what the proposed policy will cover. Proposed policies also can still carry their weight unless objection to such points are raised. We have been loosely using the policy in regards to subject-controlled articles in one case as a trial. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:30, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::::: I simply don't think that the WikiFur community wants people to be able to say nothing happened about them and to have total exclusion on a sitewide basis. Specific personal information is one thing, but public actions that were known to be contentious at the time are quite another. If desired, I will try and create a formal vote on this soon, with various options for future actions. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, hey, its your wiki, not mine. I gave my suggestion, my reasons for it, and my opinion. If people continue, then the recent changes page will be the "All Mix, All The Time" page until someone stops. But, I mean, it's your wiki, not mine, so do what you wish. I'm out of this discussion and on to something else to occupy my time.[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 17:36, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Technically its 'our' wiki as in everyone's. It doesn't belong to GreenReaper, the admins or the users. It belongs to the furry community. ;) Don't worry though, this will be resolved, I think everyone really wants to hear what Mix thinks about all this discussion. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 17:44, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Until consensus is reached, that's how things will be. I would actually suggest putting the top section of the page onto [[User:Mix]], because it's stuff about the user and (I think) mostly written by them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If any of the furry-haters at Something Awful are aware of how much the endless debate over the AC 2005 incident seems to have brought all other activity on WikiFur nearly to a standstill, and is threatening to undermine some participants' faith in the site, they are probably laughing louder than any of us want to know. For all of the attempts by "SA goons" to troll, harass, and deface furry websites, wouldn't they be tickled to learn that one of the most successful results was one that ''we did to ourselves without their help.''

Okay, sorry if I got a little to cynical just then, but I don't like where this is headed, and I wish everyone involved could just chill a bit and try to come to a resolution everyone can live with. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will be attending my sister's wedding and probably won't have internet access most of this weekend.

:That's what we're doing, isn't it? :-) Debate is heated, to be sure, but once it's done, it's done. Besides that, it's an important matter that deserves the attention and thoughts of those involved in the project. Making decisions between the various options is a tricky task when there is no established policy, because people naturally have differing opinions. I've already had to make a few private decisions on this sort of topic, and they weren't easy to make either. However, what we decide here may be applicable to future cases - and I'm sure we'll have them, for as long as we include information about people.

:I would note that we are lucky that this is one of the few cases in which we ''don't'' have precedent on what to do from Wikipedia. Most of the time we can just use their rules, but they don't have personal articles on "regular" people, and a lot of the stuff mentioned here (though perhaps not the AC 2005 events) would be removed from Wikipedia on verifiability gtounds. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:16, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== A Wiki Newbie's Opinion ==

To the extent that I'm allowed an opinion, I'd like to speak in favour of removing the actual 'Mix' page, which does in fact contain personal information, but leaving intact accounts of his public actions at the con.

My reasoning is that information about his religious leanings, generosity, sketchbook habits, etc., is actually personal information, and forms no real part of the history of the fandom. His actions at AC 2005 are part of the public record, though. They happened. People talked about them afterward, and I'm sure they coloured people's perceptions of the convention and the fandom itself. If you're going to allow removal of stuff like that because a participant has suddenly decided that he doesn't want the things he did to be remembered, then you're essentially giving individuals the power to go back and force changes in how certain aspects of history will be remembered and spoken of.

In the end I think it comes down to a question of what this wiki is supposed to be for. If it's just an entertainment for the participants, then I'd say go ahead and remove all mention of Mix and his actions since that's causing unhappiness. If, on the other hand, it's meant to be a knowledge base or historical resource, then I'd say remove his personal pages only (which state opinions and preferences - actual personal information), but let stand the references in other topics to his actions at AC, which are part of the public record. You can't really decide which to do without first deciding why we're here. I can't see arguments based on the stated policies of the wiki having much weight here, since the policymakers clearly didn't envision this type of situation.

:Actually, I was pretty sure this sort of thing was going to come up when I founded WikiFur - I may be dumb, but I'm not ''that'' dumb. ;-) However, the wiki way is typically to decide what the opinion is through debate, then to codify that as policies when consensus has been reached about how best to go about things. I have therefore tended to defer things until they reach a point at which all options have been presented and a decision can be made. I did copy some of Wikipedia's guidelines that were clearly applicable (or required by our hosting), but not all of them.

:As for purpose - WikiFur has always had a serious side. You can check out what we're about at [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:09, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(and BTW, how are people getting their UID and timestamp to automatically append to their posts? I'm not smart enough to figure that out). -Ostrich! <")

: A quicky for you - { { UT|username } } for your ID and talk link - without the spaces between brackets of course! - {{UT|ToyDragon}}
::Actually easier than that, if you want that nice format that ToyDragon uses, go to your [[Special:Preferences|Preference page]] and place that code in the Nickname box, set 'Raw Signatures' on and then click Save. If you want just a default signature then leave that be.
::To enter the sig and date automatically, click the signature button on the Editing toolbar or type '''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>''' which will make the site autoenter your signature and details for you. :) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:12, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Additional info ==

I don't know if this will ever make it into the article, but I just wanted to document it here that yet another person is complaining about Mix's antics: [http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html]

I can also state that after causing several incidents at [[Anthrocon 2006]], he spent the next few weeks sending me numerous nasty messages in IM, trying to bait me into conversation. I suppose I could post those logs if anyone is interested. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 17:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry I offended you, I was just frustrated that you chose not to answer my questions about your actions against me. You and other staff members treated me with much disrespect, singling me out, and rudely commenting that they didn't care about my mistreatment, my concerns, my requests, and to say that "We know how you are." as their only reason.

:: Gee, what did you expect? You caused us problems two years in a row. This past year James Walton from the DI caught you in the Dealers Room after hours. I personally caught you in the Zoo with a fake axe. What did you think we were going to do, smile and nod? You cause us problems, you face the consequences, it's that simple. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: You guys never gave me a fair chance to defend myself. A dealer, name kept private until request, asked me to help her to her table to set up at her request. Yes, a 'fake' axe. I bought it from 'your' convention. If you guys have such a problem with them, stop the sales of them.

:As for Banrai, until she can provide proof of her allegations, I am negating all of it. Call it: Innocent until PROVEn guilty.

:She is also accusing me of copyright infringement against her upon gounds of the infamous SA shirt that I made. Need I really prove this here? There is already a picture of me wearing the shirt on the SA wiki. Take it as another "Banrai File" case.

:So if I take a unathorized picture of Kyoht's original art, and make an icon of it, does that make it mine as well?

:Both her and I would be even-stevens and part ways she would've given back the shirt. Instead, in her entry above, she states: "If I still had that godforsaken shirt, I'd gladly give it back. The fact of the matter is that it was so ratty when it was given to me, my dog decided it would make a perfect bed and so it's not survived beyond a few measly shreds."

:But in her counter-notification report to lj-abuse when I filed with the DMCA because of her unathourized use of my "burntfurrygoon" design as her icon: "I am the original creator of this icon, I can provide futher photographs of the object the icon was taken from if need be."

:Rumours of me are getting very VERY over-exaggerated. It's very taxing on my life due to the humungous stress factor I have to face because people would rather beleive rumours about me, than the actual source, myself. Rumours about that I had Gonnerea for 6 months. Rumours about how I drove 10 hours out of my way to try and sabotage everyone's car in a few minutes, just to drive 10 hours back that same night, and I didn't even have a car. Seriously insane rumours...

:: Wait... you had '''gonorrhea'''? You uh, might want to see a doctor about that. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm uncut. It happens rarely. But a 6+ month period of having it and purposely 'infecting' people with it... what idiot made that up? And which idiots beleived it? I'd rather circumsize myself with a butcher-knife and soak it in a bottle of Jack.

:I am officially requesting that ALL information about me, including discussions, articles and sub-articles, as well as any mention of be to be removed from this website. I beleive that I am entitled to this by your agreement I agreed to. {{unsigned|66.80.234.209}}

:: Well, that's up to the community. Personally, I find it disgusting that you act the way you do, then try to censor what others say about you. It smacks of hypocrisy and makes you look even worse. At least have the guts to accept the consequences of your actions. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::: Disgusting? Tell me something, Giza. Did you ever chill with me and my friends? Spend some time, like an hour or more, with me first, then discuss my actions. Maybe you'd understand me better if you actually knew me.

Talk:Animal Passions

2006-06-30T03:00:01Z

Mix: Thanks.

It would be nice if we had good articles on the topics covered in the article.

* [[Anthrocon]]
* [[Yiffy]]
* [[Room party]]
* [[Xander]]
* [[Mascot suit]]/[[Fursuit]]
* [[Scritch]]
* [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Sex2K]]
* [[CSI]]
* [[Vanity Fair]]
* [[Fox Wolfie Galen]]
* [[Dr. Samuel Conway]]/[[Uncle Kage]]
* [[Dex]]/[[Clarke Braudis]]
* [[Midwest Fur Fest]]
* [[Further Confusion]]
* [[Artemis]]
* [[Fursonas]]
* [[WikiFur]]
* [[John “K.P.” Cole]]
* [[2 the Ranting Gryphon]]
* [[six-two-one]]
* [[Art gallery]]
* [[Furry artists]]
* [[Omaha the Cat Dancer]]
* [[Rabbit Valley]]/[[Sean Rabbitt]]
* [[Coyote River]]
* [[Service with a Smile]]
* [[Circles]]
* [[Dan Savage]]
* [[Scott Shaw!]]
* [[Lionel “Solion” Vogt]]
* [[Stalking Cat]]

--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)