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Talk:Bay Area Furry

2019-07-24T19:35:41Z

Michichael: Updating vandalism records.

==To do==

* Link event addresses to Google maps? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

* Add:
:Further Confusion? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:Structure to link to Bay Area furries? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:History? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

==Origin==

*This information was originally on my web site at http://www.tgeller.com/furry/ . I'll replace that page with a redirector here when I get around to it. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, yeah, I did that a while ago. Forgot to say so. :) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

* The original descriptions are pretty much exactly as they appeared on the BAF mailing list. Blame any errors and awkward writing on the original posters. ;) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Dead stuff==

I removed the section about "Furry Pride", as the mailing list appears to be 404. And nobody goes to hot chocolate anymore, as the cafe now has an open mic on Thursday nights and they resented our loud talking. Oh well. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

== Events section ==

I think the events section is ridiculously detailed, and that WikiFur isn't the place for the addresses and prices of a local event. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Gobi Mongolian BBQ ==

Attention all you furries!
There is a new meet up in Sunnyvale every Monday evening around 6pm to 9pm or so, at Gobi Mongolian BBQ. It is a new restaurant and features excellent Mongolian BBQ! The cost is about $10 which includes: all you can eat Mongolian BBQ, rice, soup, egg rolls, a drink, and ice cream! Smash originally organized it a few weeks ago. / The address is: 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. Come on out to it!
-Leo =^.^= / [[User:Leothelion|Leothelion]] 05:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:Good info, Leo! It's more helpful to people on the article's main page than here, though. I just moved it there. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 15:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Telegram Group Vandalism ==
There have been a couple of edits now from an anonymous user via VPN either altering the links, descriptions, or orders of the Telegram groups. This is related to an external ongoing harassment campaign by anonymous users in Telegram itself targeting the [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] telegram chat. Incidents of vandalism so far include:

* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&diff=510922&oldid=510127 Edit 510921-510922] by an anonymous xFinity Mobile user; modified the description, order, etc. Not really sure what the intent of this one was but seemed irrelevant.
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=510112&diff=509859 Edit 510110-510112] by an anonymous OpenVPN user; modified the description, order, and link. Audit entry is false: "Moved outdated info to more relevant categories." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Michichael Michichael].
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=509810&diff=499786 Edit 509810] by an anonymous FreedomeVpn user; modified the link. Audit entry is false: "Fixed link." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tamino Tamino].
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=510124&diff=510120 Edit 510120] by an anonymous FreedomeVpn user; defacement again. Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Michichael Michichael]
Documenting here per recommendations. -- [[User:Michichael|Michichael]] 05:20, 05 July 2019 (UTC)
:Alas, such a waste for time for everyone. Thanks for providing the background which those not involved wouldn't know about. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:34, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

Bay Area Furry

2019-07-24T19:31:10Z

Michichael: Removing vandalism. Again.

{{cleanup}}
'''Bay Area Furry''' ('''"BAF"''') usually refers to one of the following:

* An [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf email discussion list] hosted on [[fur.com]]
* A [[furry]] residing in, or having an interest in, the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|San Francisco Bay Area]]

The region arguably has the world's greatest concentration of furries per square mile. One oft-cited reason is [[furry fandom|furdom]]'s historic base in the online world, where [[wikipedia:Silicon Valley|Silicon Valley]] technologists had an unusually high level of access during furdom's growth in the 1990s.

Resources on this page were moved from [[Tom Howling]]'s web site on 24 August 2005.

== Active online discussion venues ==

* [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf Bay Area Furry mailing list] is the long running email discussion group, with much activity now moved to Telegram but still widely subscribed
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/baf.fb Bay Area Furs Facebook Group] (most active) and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1475507222530411/ Nor Cal Furs Facebook Group]
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Bay Area Furry Meetup.com] - organized by [[Teddy Tiger]], lists up events people can go to. Sometimes not openly put on the mailing list.
:The Meetup.com group has its own Telegram [https://t.me/bayareafurmeets channel] (where meets get posted) and [https://telegram.me/SFBayAreaFurs group] (for discussion). Although the Telegram groups are all-ages while the Meetup.com group itself is 18+.
* If you use Telegram, join the [https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAADzLZ_su8JmfdtN3NA Bay Area Furs] (18+), the [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] (all-ages), the [https://telegram.me/BayFurs Bay Furs] (16+), or the [https://telegram.me/joinchat/Bhy37ECgSWgMkvU6THiO_A SF Bay Furs] (18+) groups there.
* If you use [[Furry Amino]], join the [http://aminoapps.com/p/n4p3nv Bay Area Furs] group there, run by Lemon Roo.
* If you use [http://discordapp.com Discord], join the [https://discord.gg/RraKYED Bay Area Furries] (all-ages) server there, run by Skyite Ovexion.

All age ranges indicate typical subject matter encountered, minors should always ask a parent before going online.

== Historical interest ==

Defunct groups for the region included the [https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/103240926413062585833 Bay Area Furry Google Plus Community], on [http://www.tribe.net tribe.net] was the [http://bayfurs.tribe.net SF Bay Furries] tribe (active in 2004) and the [http://fursuit.tribe.net Fursuit] tribe had a very high concentration of Bay Area furs as well. Others that may be inactive include the [http://www.livejournal.com/community/bafur/ bafur LiveJournal community], and for IRC the #[[baycafe]] channel on irc.anthrochat.net or the #bayareafurs channel on irc.furnet.org. [http://www.fur.com/~keepiru/bayarea.html Keepiru's guide to Bay Area Living] was "...written for people moving here for a job, not for people coming to go to school, and it's a couple years out of date, but it might be interesting nonetheless." (Last updated January 2001.)

== Events ==

=== Weekly ===

==== Mondays ====

* '''Mongolian BBQ "''Mongolian Monday''"'''
:When: around 6-9pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1135+Tasman+Drive,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94089&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.273371,74.355469&ie=UTF8&ll=37.40475,-121.995192&spn=0.009136,0.018153&z=16&iwloc=addr Gobi Mongolian BBQ, 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089]

==== Tuesdays ====

==== Wednesdays ====

==== Thursdays ====

* '''[[Crack Chicken]]'''
:When: 6:30pm - 12:30am every week on Thursday
:Where: Wicked Chicken, 2565 The Alameda, Santa Clara, CA 95050

:Description: This location used to be called SmokeEaters, however they closed down and reopened in September after a few months for a remodel.

:This is the biggest public meet in the southern SF Bay Area which occurs weekly. The typical turnout is going to be around 30 people, typically more show up throughout the night. The crowd typically will disperse around 10PM but some will stay and socialize until around 12:30am. '''All ages are welcome to attend this event'''.

:URL: http://www.wickedchickenwings.com/
:Telegram group specific for Chicken: https://t.me/wickedchickenchat

==== Fridays ====

==== Saturdays ====

==== Sundays ====

* '''Sunday Brunch'''

:When: 11:00am - 1:00pm.
:Where: Marie Callenders, Sunnyvale location

:URL: http://www.mariecallenders.com/l/sunnyvale-restaurant-bakery/106

:Description: Casual gathering for food and conversation at Marie Callenders, 751 E El Camino Real in Sunnyvale (near Wolfe Rd, same shopping center as the Safeway and the Coldstone Creamery). There's an excellent all-you-can-eat brunch buffet, or you can order off the menu. Either way the portions are big and the atmosphere is quiet, calm, laid-back, and friendly. '''RSVPs are mandatory! See below.'''

:Parking: Plenty -- it's located in a shopping center with tons of parking.

:Fursuiting: Not a good idea at this venue. Plus there just isn't room. Sorry!

:How to RSVP: Chris needs a headcount by 9:00 AM every Sunday so he can call ahead and make the reservation with the restaurant. You '''must''' let Chris know you're coming or there won't be a seat for you! You can RSVP either by emailing [mailto:chris.h.olds@gmail.com Chris] or by clicking the RSVP button on the listing for this event on meetup.com.

=== Monthly ===

* '''[[Berkeley Furmeet]]'''
:When: First Tuesday of the month, 7:30pm - 10:00pm
:Where: [http://www.google.com/maps?q=2000+University+Ave,+Berkeley,+CA+94704,+USA| Au Coquelet Cafe, 2000 University Ave., Berkeley]

* '''[[Frolic]]'''
:When: First Saturday of the month, 8 p.m. - 2 a.m.
:Where: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/SF-Eagle/@37.7699717,-122.4155742,1007m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f7e261bbf0e79:0xffc98cc7fc95768f!8m2!3d37.7699717!4d-122.4133855?hl=en| The Eagle night club, 398 12th Street (at Harrison), San Francisco]
:Expect to find: reasonably priced drinks, techno music, black lights, face painting, glow sticks, and friendly people in costume. This is a 21 and over event where once a month, furries take over a nightclub in San Francisco, and bring in our own DJ's, art, video, decor, and fill the place up with fursuiters. There is a smallish shared space for fursuiters to get suited in.

* '''[[South Bay Furbowl]]'''
:When: 3rd Saturday of every month around 7:30 PM - 11:30 PM
:Where: [https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=20990+Homestead+Rd%2C+Cupertino%2C+CA%2C+us| Homestead Bowl at 20990 Homestead Rd, Cupertino, CA 95014]
:Description: Meet at the bowling alley in the pool room/private room, which is to the right behind the front desk when you walk in the main doors. Showing up by 8:00 PM is suggested so you can pay Relaxing Dragon in advance and get checked in. Games are $7.00 per game per person. Bowling shoes, for those that need them, are $4.50 a pair. Pay for bowling shoes at the front desk where you pick up your shoes.
:Parking: The parking lot of this new alley isn't the greatest in terms of space (depending on what time you arrive), so be prepared to hunt around or park in one of the two lots across the street.

* '''[[Bay Area Furbecue]]'''
:When: 11:30 AM until everyone decides to disband, second Saturday of every month.
:Where: Larkey Park, 2771 Buena Vista Avenue, Walnut Creek, CA
:Expect to find: A group of furries holding a potluck barbecue in Larkey park.

* '''[[Peninsula FurHabit]]'''
:When: Every 2nd or 3rd Saturday of the month at 2:30pm - 3:50pm
:Where: The Habit Burger Grill, 1100 Park Pl, San Mateo, CA 94403
:Description: Come new and current furries and enjoy fine burgers and socializing. Break the ice and ensure that all furries are welcome. Message @Noah_Nova on Telegram. Info also posted on the BAF meetup page when officially announced.

* '''[[Furryoke]]'''
:When: fourth Sunday of the month, 8pm - 1am
:Where: [https://goo.gl/maps/HDKEM1ZhqSK2|Renegades, 501 W Taylor St, San Jose]
:Expect to find: Fursuit friendly karaoke shared with the bar's weekly karaoke clientele. KJed by Kor Karaoke, who also provide KJ services for Further Confusion. Some changing space is available.

=== Currently Dead Gatherings ===

The following gatherings appear to be moribund. For details, ask on the [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html BAF discussion list] before going.

* '''[[Petaluma Pizza]]'''
:When: First Wednesday of the month, typically announced in advance. 7:00pm, see BAF Meetup Page for specific date each month.
:Where: Old Chicago Pizza, 41 Petaluma Boulevard North, Petaluma CA 94952

* '''[[Vacaville Furbowl]]'''
:When: 7:00pm to about 11pm Usually on the first Sunday of each month unless otherwise noted on the BAF and Bay Area furs Meetup group.
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Expect to find: Brought back to life from the remnants of the Stars bowling event, This event continues to bring together furs from both the Sacramento and SF Bay Areas. Stars is a 24 hour entertainment facility with numerous bowling lanes, an arcade, and a restaurant so there's allot available to do. At a typical event we usually gather for an hour and then start bowling at around 8pm. Fursuiters are welcome and a semi private changing area is available in the locker alcove at the facility. Bowling prices currently are $4.50 per game, and $3 for shoe rental (not required for Fursuiters and those with bowling shoes). After everyone is finished bowling for the evening we then typically head over to the nearby Mels diner for a late night dinner.

* '''[[San Francisco Furmeet]]'''
:When: Last Monday of the month, 7pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=289+8th+St+San+Francisco,+CA| Wicked Grounds, 289 8th Street, San Francisco, CA]
:Directions: They are located at 289 8th Street in San Francisco. To get there from BART/MUNI, get off at Civic Center Station and exit at the 8th Street exit (there are signs). Take a left onto 8th street and Wicked Grounds will be about 3 blocks down, on the left, right before Folsom Street.
:Expect to find: Coffee and sandwiches are served here.

* '''Writers and Artists Group'''
:When: 7:00pm - 9:30pm, every Thursday
:Where: Another Café, 1191 Pine Street, San Francisco, CA

:Description: Casual gathering for one-on-one and group help for furry/fur-curious writers, artists, and any combination of the two. A great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project.

:The '''Writers and Artists Group''', also known as '''WAG SF''', is a weekly gathering of furry and fur-curious [[writer|written]] and [[Artist|media]] creators in [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco, California]], USA since October 14, 2010.<ref>[https://www.fur.com/mailman/private/baf/2010-October/007455.html Private post] on the BAF's Writers and Artists Group mailing list. Retrieved ?.</ref>

:"WAG SF" was created to provide casual one-on-one and group help for writers, artists, or any combination of the two. It is a great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project. The group's average size ranges from 3 to 7.

:As more than half of the regular members are [[furries]], it is often referred to as '''The San Francisco Furmeet'''.{{fact}}

:Schedule and location: This group gathers every week on Thursdays from 7:00pm - 9:30pm. Any adjustments in the time or cancellations are provided through [[BAF]] and/or Google Groups<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wagsf Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref> by the host, [[RienKarrot]].

:The group officially meets at [http://www.anothercafesf.com Another Cafe].<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/wagsf/9ctqccBfEKo Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref>

* '''[http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/San_Francisco_Furry_Party San Francisco Furry Gaming Party]'''
:When: starting after 6 p.m. on the last Saturday night of the month; specific dates announced on the mailing list
:Where: [[Sagemane]], [[Tenebris]] and [[Hunter Gryphon]]'s apartment in the [[Wikipedia:Excelsior District, San Francisco, California|Excelsior District]] of [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco]]
:Directions: Available by RSVP only

* '''Furries at the Market'''
:When: 7:30 until 9 or 10 pm, every Wednesday (EXCEPT for Sharks games due to the larger crowds, difficult parking situation, and safety concerns)
:Where: San Pedro Square Market, 87 N. San Pedro St, San Jose, CA

:Description: Weekly gathering at the San Pedro Square Market featuring over 20 unique (and fabulous) food vendors. We gather at the big long wood table in the Market Hall building near Treatbot. The market itself is open until Midnight, however most restaurants tend to close between 9 and 10. There's plenty of seating indoors and out, and free WiFi. See a list of the restaurants (and hours) here: http://www.sanpedrosquaremarket.com/eat/
:The meetup was started by [[Toboe Wolfyote]] with the first meet occurring on October 23, 2013. Nine were in attendance.

* '''Stars on Sunday'''
:When: 7:00pm-??? (Stars is open 24 hours a day, so stay however long you would like. Sometimes it's a couple of hours, sometimes it's more!)
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Directions: This bowling alley can be a little hard to find at night, so make sure you pull up exact directions from Google/Mapquest!
:The first Sunday of every month, [[Kannakin]] and Eden suit up and go to the Stars Recreational Center to bowl. It's a nice quiet 24 hour facility that has bowling, lazer tag, and a huge arcade; the whole nine yards. The reactions we get when we're there are wonderful, and the employees love us. Bowling is $4.00 a game per person, so it's definitely cheap fun! (I'm not sure the cost of shoes/bowling ball if you don't already have them) Make sure that if you're coming you bring enough money for yourself to bowl and play! Fursuiters and non-fursuiters welcome! If you have trouble finding us, look for the only ears and tail in the establishment!

* '''SF Furmeet at Sparky's'''
:When: Starting at 7 p.m. on the first Monday of every month (or, if the day happens to be a National Holiday, then typically the following Monday).
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=242+Church+St.,+San+Francisco,+CA+94114&layer=&sll=37.345597,-121.935883&sspn=0.165947,0.258179&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=37.766915,-122.428894&spn=0.082505,0.129089&om=0&iwloc=addr "Sparky's Diner" at 242 Church St. in San Francisco, CA 94114] (phone: 415-626-8666)
:Directions: Located on Church St. between 15th St. and Market St. It's a fairly easy walk down 16th Street from BART -- walk uphill, then turn right on Church Street and walk another few blocks. Nearby MUNI transit includes the 22, 35, F, J, K, L, M, and N lines. All let you off somewhere near Church and Market. Driving is possible, but expect some difficulty in finding parking nearby. Available food includes burgers, sandwiches, pasta, some vegetarian entrées, salads, ice cream, coffee drinks, sodas, shakes and $1.25 beer specials on Mondays! Typical price for a main dish is $6-12.

* '''Wednesday Taco Time!'''
:What: Dead due to stagnation and cliquishness.

* '''Wednesday Coffee'''
:What: The evolution of the Wednesday "Coffee" tradition, started in the mid-90s at Coffee Society in Cupertino, continuing (and converging with #GaySanJose) at Cafe Leviticus, then moving on to CyberCafes in Sunnyvale, and culminating in Exciting Random Location. May still be going on, but Reveille is no longer the one to contact about it.

* '''Revenge of Pizza, RAWR!'''
:What: Dead due to disinterest.

* '''Pizza Naughm'''
:When: Every Tuesday around 7 p.m.
:Where: Used to be at Me-N-Ed's Pizzeria in Fremont, but the restaurant closed. Hopefully something will be resurrected at some point?
:"Naughm" is intended as a more meaty, cheeks-full version of the word "nom," which is sometimes used to indicate ravenous eating (e.g. "Nom nom nom nom!").

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [http://kalu-art.com/bayfurs/ Bay Area Furries] on Public Wave
* [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html Bay Area Furry mailing list]
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Meetup Group for Bay Area Furs], organized by Teddy Tiger
* [http://upcoming.yahoo.com/group/3020/ Bay Area Furries group] on Upcoming
* [http://community.livejournal.com/bafur/ BAFUR Community] on LiveJournal

{{California}}
[[Category:Regional groups]][[Category:Mailing lists]][[Category:California]]

Talk:Bay Area Furry

2019-07-05T09:28:40Z

Michichael: /* Telegram Group Vandalism */

==To do==

* Link event addresses to Google maps? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

* Add:
:Further Confusion? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:Structure to link to Bay Area furries? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:History? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

==Origin==

*This information was originally on my web site at http://www.tgeller.com/furry/ . I'll replace that page with a redirector here when I get around to it. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, yeah, I did that a while ago. Forgot to say so. :) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

* The original descriptions are pretty much exactly as they appeared on the BAF mailing list. Blame any errors and awkward writing on the original posters. ;) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Dead stuff==

I removed the section about "Furry Pride", as the mailing list appears to be 404. And nobody goes to hot chocolate anymore, as the cafe now has an open mic on Thursday nights and they resented our loud talking. Oh well. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

== Events section ==

I think the events section is ridiculously detailed, and that WikiFur isn't the place for the addresses and prices of a local event. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Gobi Mongolian BBQ ==

Attention all you furries!
There is a new meet up in Sunnyvale every Monday evening around 6pm to 9pm or so, at Gobi Mongolian BBQ. It is a new restaurant and features excellent Mongolian BBQ! The cost is about $10 which includes: all you can eat Mongolian BBQ, rice, soup, egg rolls, a drink, and ice cream! Smash originally organized it a few weeks ago. / The address is: 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. Come on out to it!
-Leo =^.^= / [[User:Leothelion|Leothelion]] 05:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:Good info, Leo! It's more helpful to people on the article's main page than here, though. I just moved it there. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 15:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Telegram Group Vandalism ==
There have been a couple of edits now from an anonymous user via VPN either altering the links, descriptions, or orders of the Telegram groups. This is related to an external ongoing harassment campaign by anonymous users in Telegram itself targeting the [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] telegram chat. Incidents of vandalism so far include:

* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=510112&diff=509859 Edit 510110-510112] by an anonymous OpenVPN user; modified the description, order, and link. Audit entry is false: "Moved outdated info to more relevant categories." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Michichael Michichael].
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=509810&diff=499786 Edit 509810] by an anonymous FreedomeVpn user; modified the link. Audit entry is false: "Fixed link." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tamino Tamino].
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=510124&diff=510120 Edit 510120] by an anonymous FreedomeVpn user; defacement again. Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Michichael Michichael]
Documenting here per recommendations. -- [[User:Michichael|Michichael]] 05:20, 05 July 2019 (UTC)
:Alas, such a waste for time for everyone. Thanks for providing the background which those not involved wouldn't know about. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:34, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

Bay Area Furry

2019-07-05T09:26:47Z

Michichael: Reverting vandalism.

Talk:Bay Area Furry

2019-07-05T05:20:59Z

Michichael: Adding documentation on Vandalism

==To do==

* Link event addresses to Google maps? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

* Add:
:Further Confusion? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:Structure to link to Bay Area furries? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])
:History? ([[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]])

==Origin==

*This information was originally on my web site at http://www.tgeller.com/furry/ . I'll replace that page with a redirector here when I get around to it. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, yeah, I did that a while ago. Forgot to say so. :) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

* The original descriptions are pretty much exactly as they appeared on the BAF mailing list. Blame any errors and awkward writing on the original posters. ;) --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 21:33, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Dead stuff==

I removed the section about "Furry Pride", as the mailing list appears to be 404. And nobody goes to hot chocolate anymore, as the cafe now has an open mic on Thursday nights and they resented our loud talking. Oh well. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 19:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

== Events section ==

I think the events section is ridiculously detailed, and that WikiFur isn't the place for the addresses and prices of a local event. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

== Gobi Mongolian BBQ ==

Attention all you furries!
There is a new meet up in Sunnyvale every Monday evening around 6pm to 9pm or so, at Gobi Mongolian BBQ. It is a new restaurant and features excellent Mongolian BBQ! The cost is about $10 which includes: all you can eat Mongolian BBQ, rice, soup, egg rolls, a drink, and ice cream! Smash originally organized it a few weeks ago. / The address is: 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. Come on out to it!
-Leo =^.^= / [[User:Leothelion|Leothelion]] 05:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

:Good info, Leo! It's more helpful to people on the article's main page than here, though. I just moved it there. --[[User:Tomhowling|Tom Howling]] 15:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Telegram Group Vandalism ==
There have been a couple of edits now from an anonymous user via VPN either altering the links, descriptions, or orders of the Telegram groups. This is related to an external ongoing harassment campaign by anonymous users in Telegram itself targeting the [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] telegram chat. Incidents of vandalism so far include:

* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=510112&diff=509859 Edit 510110-510112] by an anonymous OpenVPN user; modified the description, order, and link. Audit entry is false: "Moved outdated info to more relevant categories." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Michichael Michichael].
* [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Bay_Area_Furry&action=historysubmit&oldid=509810&diff=499786 Edit 509810] by an anonymous FreedomeVpn user; modified the link. Audit entry is false: "Fixed link." Reverted by [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tamino Tamino].

Documenting here per recommendations. -- [[User:Michichael|Michichael]] 05:20, 05 July 2019 (UTC)

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'''Bay Area Furry''' ('''"BAF"''') usually refers to one of the following:

* An [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf email discussion list] hosted on [[fur.com]]
* A [[furry]] residing in, or having an interest in, the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|San Francisco Bay Area]]

The region arguably has the world's greatest concentration of furries per square mile. One oft-cited reason is [[furry fandom|furdom]]'s historic base in the online world, where [[wikipedia:Silicon Valley|Silicon Valley]] technologists had an unusually high level of access during furdom's growth in the 1990s.

Resources on this page were moved from [[Tom Howling]]'s web site on 24 August 2005.

== Active online discussion venues ==

* [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf Bay Area Furry mailing list] is the long running email discussion group, with much activity now moved to Telegram but still widely subscribed
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/baf.fb Bay Area Furs Facebook Group] (most active) and [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1475507222530411/ Nor Cal Furs Facebook Group]
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Bay Area Furry Meetup.com] - organized by [[Teddy Tiger]], lists up events people can go to. Sometimes not openly put on the mailing list.
:The Meetup.com group has its own Telegram [https://t.me/bayareafurmeets channel] (where meets get posted) and [https://telegram.me/SFBayAreaFurs group] (for discussion). Although the Telegram groups are all-ages while the Meetup.com group itself is 18+.
* If you use Telegram, join the [https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAADzLZ_su8JmfdtN3NA Bay Area Furs] (18+), the [https://telegram.me/BayFurs Bay Furs] (16+), the [https://telegram.me/joinchat/Bhy37ECgSWgMkvU6THiO_A SF Bay Furs] (18+), or the [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] (claimed to be all-ages but a [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs focus of bewares]) groups there.
* If you use [[Furry Amino]], join the [http://aminoapps.com/p/n4p3nv Bay Area Furs] group there, run by Lemon Roo.
* If you use [http://discordapp.com Discord], join the [https://discord.gg/RraKYED Bay Area Furries] (all-ages) server there, run by Skyite Ovexion.

All age ranges indicate typical subject matter encountered, minors should always ask a parent before going online.

== Historical interest ==

Defunct groups for the region included the [https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/103240926413062585833 Bay Area Furry Google Plus Community], on [http://www.tribe.net tribe.net] was the [http://bayfurs.tribe.net SF Bay Furries] tribe (active in 2004) and the [http://fursuit.tribe.net Fursuit] tribe had a very high concentration of Bay Area furs as well. Others that may be inactive include the [http://www.livejournal.com/community/bafur/ bafur LiveJournal community], and for IRC the #[[baycafe]] channel on irc.anthrochat.net or the #bayareafurs channel on irc.furnet.org. [http://www.fur.com/~keepiru/bayarea.html Keepiru's guide to Bay Area Living] was "...written for people moving here for a job, not for people coming to go to school, and it's a couple years out of date, but it might be interesting nonetheless." (Last updated January 2001.)

== Events ==

=== Weekly ===

==== Mondays ====

* '''Mongolian BBQ "''Mongolian Monday''"'''
:When: around 6-9pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1135+Tasman+Drive,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94089&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.273371,74.355469&ie=UTF8&ll=37.40475,-121.995192&spn=0.009136,0.018153&z=16&iwloc=addr Gobi Mongolian BBQ, 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089]

==== Tuesdays ====

==== Wednesdays ====

==== Thursdays ====

* '''[[Crack Chicken]]'''
:When: 6:30pm - 12:30am every week on Thursday
:Where: Wicked Chicken, 2565 The Alameda, Santa Clara, CA 95050

:Description: This location used to be called SmokeEaters, however they closed down and reopened in September after a few months for a remodel.

:This is the biggest public meet in the southern SF Bay Area which occurs weekly. The typical turnout is going to be around 30 people, typically more show up throughout the night. The crowd typically will disperse around 10PM but some will stay and socialize until around 12:30am. '''All ages are welcome to attend this event'''.

:URL: http://www.wickedchickenwings.com/
:Telegram group specific for Chicken: https://t.me/wickedchickenchat

==== Fridays ====

==== Saturdays ====

==== Sundays ====

* '''Sunday Brunch'''

:When: 11:00am - 1:00pm.
:Where: Marie Callenders, Sunnyvale location

:URL: http://www.mariecallenders.com/l/sunnyvale-restaurant-bakery/106

:Description: Casual gathering for food and conversation at Marie Callenders, 751 E El Camino Real in Sunnyvale (near Wolfe Rd, same shopping center as the Safeway and the Coldstone Creamery). There's an excellent all-you-can-eat brunch buffet, or you can order off the menu. Either way the portions are big and the atmosphere is quiet, calm, laid-back, and friendly. '''RSVPs are mandatory! See below.'''

:Parking: Plenty -- it's located in a shopping center with tons of parking.

:Fursuiting: Not a good idea at this venue. Plus there just isn't room. Sorry!

:How to RSVP: Chris needs a headcount by 9:00 AM every Sunday so he can call ahead and make the reservation with the restaurant. You '''must''' let Chris know you're coming or there won't be a seat for you! You can RSVP either by emailing [mailto:chris.h.olds@gmail.com Chris] or by clicking the RSVP button on the listing for this event on meetup.com.

=== Monthly ===

* '''[[Berkeley Furmeet]]'''
:When: First Tuesday of the month, 7:30pm - 10:00pm
:Where: [http://www.google.com/maps?q=2000+University+Ave,+Berkeley,+CA+94704,+USA| Au Coquelet Cafe, 2000 University Ave., Berkeley]

* '''[[Frolic]]'''
:When: First Saturday of the month, 8 p.m. - 2 a.m.
:Where: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/SF-Eagle/@37.7699717,-122.4155742,1007m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f7e261bbf0e79:0xffc98cc7fc95768f!8m2!3d37.7699717!4d-122.4133855?hl=en| The Eagle night club, 398 12th Street (at Harrison), San Francisco]
:Expect to find: reasonably priced drinks, techno music, black lights, face painting, glow sticks, and friendly people in costume. This is a 21 and over event where once a month, furries take over a nightclub in San Francisco, and bring in our own DJ's, art, video, decor, and fill the place up with fursuiters. There is a smallish shared space for fursuiters to get suited in.

* '''[[South Bay Furbowl]]'''
:When: 3rd Saturday of every month around 7:30 PM - 11:30 PM
:Where: [https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=20990+Homestead+Rd%2C+Cupertino%2C+CA%2C+us| Homestead Bowl at 20990 Homestead Rd, Cupertino, CA 95014]
:Description: Meet at the bowling alley in the pool room/private room, which is to the right behind the front desk when you walk in the main doors. Showing up by 8:00 PM is suggested so you can pay Relaxing Dragon in advance and get checked in. Games are $7.00 per game per person. Bowling shoes, for those that need them, are $4.50 a pair. Pay for bowling shoes at the front desk where you pick up your shoes.
:Parking: The parking lot of this new alley isn't the greatest in terms of space (depending on what time you arrive), so be prepared to hunt around or park in one of the two lots across the street.

* '''[[Bay Area Furbecue]]'''
:When: 11:30 AM until everyone decides to disband, second Saturday of every month.
:Where: Larkey Park, 2771 Buena Vista Avenue, Walnut Creek, CA
:Expect to find: A group of furries holding a potluck barbecue in Larkey park.

* '''[[Peninsula FurHabit]]'''
:When: Every 2nd or 3rd Saturday of the month at 2:30pm - 3:50pm
:Where: The Habit Burger Grill, 1100 Park Pl, San Mateo, CA 94403
:Description: Come new and current furries and enjoy fine burgers and socializing. Break the ice and ensure that all furries are welcome. Message @Noah_Nova on Telegram. Info also posted on the BAF meetup page when officially announced.

* '''[[Furryoke]]'''
:When: fourth Sunday of the month, 8pm - 1am
:Where: [https://goo.gl/maps/HDKEM1ZhqSK2|Renegades, 501 W Taylor St, San Jose]
:Expect to find: Fursuit friendly karaoke shared with the bar's weekly karaoke clientele. KJed by Kor Karaoke, who also provide KJ services for Further Confusion. Some changing space is available.

=== Currently Dead Gatherings ===

The following gatherings appear to be moribund. For details, ask on the [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html BAF discussion list] before going.

* '''[[Petaluma Pizza]]'''
:When: First Wednesday of the month, typically announced in advance. 7:00pm, see BAF Meetup Page for specific date each month.
:Where: Old Chicago Pizza, 41 Petaluma Boulevard North, Petaluma CA 94952

* '''[[Vacaville Furbowl]]'''
:When: 7:00pm to about 11pm Usually on the first Sunday of each month unless otherwise noted on the BAF and Bay Area furs Meetup group.
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Expect to find: Brought back to life from the remnants of the Stars bowling event, This event continues to bring together furs from both the Sacramento and SF Bay Areas. Stars is a 24 hour entertainment facility with numerous bowling lanes, an arcade, and a restaurant so there's allot available to do. At a typical event we usually gather for an hour and then start bowling at around 8pm. Fursuiters are welcome and a semi private changing area is available in the locker alcove at the facility. Bowling prices currently are $4.50 per game, and $3 for shoe rental (not required for Fursuiters and those with bowling shoes). After everyone is finished bowling for the evening we then typically head over to the nearby Mels diner for a late night dinner.

* '''[[San Francisco Furmeet]]'''
:When: Last Monday of the month, 7pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=289+8th+St+San+Francisco,+CA| Wicked Grounds, 289 8th Street, San Francisco, CA]
:Directions: They are located at 289 8th Street in San Francisco. To get there from BART/MUNI, get off at Civic Center Station and exit at the 8th Street exit (there are signs). Take a left onto 8th street and Wicked Grounds will be about 3 blocks down, on the left, right before Folsom Street.
:Expect to find: Coffee and sandwiches are served here.

* '''Writers and Artists Group'''
:When: 7:00pm - 9:30pm, every Thursday
:Where: Another Café, 1191 Pine Street, San Francisco, CA

:Description: Casual gathering for one-on-one and group help for furry/fur-curious writers, artists, and any combination of the two. A great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project.

:The '''Writers and Artists Group''', also known as '''WAG SF''', is a weekly gathering of furry and fur-curious [[writer|written]] and [[Artist|media]] creators in [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco, California]], USA since October 14, 2010.<ref>[https://www.fur.com/mailman/private/baf/2010-October/007455.html Private post] on the BAF's Writers and Artists Group mailing list. Retrieved ?.</ref>

:"WAG SF" was created to provide casual one-on-one and group help for writers, artists, or any combination of the two. It is a great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project. The group's average size ranges from 3 to 7.

:As more than half of the regular members are [[furries]], it is often referred to as '''The San Francisco Furmeet'''.{{fact}}

:Schedule and location: This group gathers every week on Thursdays from 7:00pm - 9:30pm. Any adjustments in the time or cancellations are provided through [[BAF]] and/or Google Groups<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wagsf Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref> by the host, [[RienKarrot]].

:The group officially meets at [http://www.anothercafesf.com Another Cafe].<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/wagsf/9ctqccBfEKo Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref>

* '''[http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/San_Francisco_Furry_Party San Francisco Furry Gaming Party]'''
:When: starting after 6 p.m. on the last Saturday night of the month; specific dates announced on the mailing list
:Where: [[Sagemane]], [[Tenebris]] and [[Hunter Gryphon]]'s apartment in the [[Wikipedia:Excelsior District, San Francisco, California|Excelsior District]] of [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco]]
:Directions: Available by RSVP only

* '''Furries at the Market'''
:When: 7:30 until 9 or 10 pm, every Wednesday (EXCEPT for Sharks games due to the larger crowds, difficult parking situation, and safety concerns)
:Where: San Pedro Square Market, 87 N. San Pedro St, San Jose, CA

:Description: Weekly gathering at the San Pedro Square Market featuring over 20 unique (and fabulous) food vendors. We gather at the big long wood table in the Market Hall building near Treatbot. The market itself is open until Midnight, however most restaurants tend to close between 9 and 10. There's plenty of seating indoors and out, and free WiFi. See a list of the restaurants (and hours) here: http://www.sanpedrosquaremarket.com/eat/
:The meetup was started by [[Toboe Wolfyote]] with the first meet occurring on October 23, 2013. Nine were in attendance.

* '''Stars on Sunday'''
:When: 7:00pm-??? (Stars is open 24 hours a day, so stay however long you would like. Sometimes it's a couple of hours, sometimes it's more!)
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Directions: This bowling alley can be a little hard to find at night, so make sure you pull up exact directions from Google/Mapquest!
:The first Sunday of every month, [[Kannakin]] and Eden suit up and go to the Stars Recreational Center to bowl. It's a nice quiet 24 hour facility that has bowling, lazer tag, and a huge arcade; the whole nine yards. The reactions we get when we're there are wonderful, and the employees love us. Bowling is $4.00 a game per person, so it's definitely cheap fun! (I'm not sure the cost of shoes/bowling ball if you don't already have them) Make sure that if you're coming you bring enough money for yourself to bowl and play! Fursuiters and non-fursuiters welcome! If you have trouble finding us, look for the only ears and tail in the establishment!

* '''SF Furmeet at Sparky's'''
:When: Starting at 7 p.m. on the first Monday of every month (or, if the day happens to be a National Holiday, then typically the following Monday).
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=242+Church+St.,+San+Francisco,+CA+94114&layer=&sll=37.345597,-121.935883&sspn=0.165947,0.258179&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=37.766915,-122.428894&spn=0.082505,0.129089&om=0&iwloc=addr "Sparky's Diner" at 242 Church St. in San Francisco, CA 94114] (phone: 415-626-8666)
:Directions: Located on Church St. between 15th St. and Market St. It's a fairly easy walk down 16th Street from BART -- walk uphill, then turn right on Church Street and walk another few blocks. Nearby MUNI transit includes the 22, 35, F, J, K, L, M, and N lines. All let you off somewhere near Church and Market. Driving is possible, but expect some difficulty in finding parking nearby. Available food includes burgers, sandwiches, pasta, some vegetarian entrées, salads, ice cream, coffee drinks, sodas, shakes and $1.25 beer specials on Mondays! Typical price for a main dish is $6-12.

* '''Wednesday Taco Time!'''
:What: Dead due to stagnation and cliquishness.

* '''Wednesday Coffee'''
:What: The evolution of the Wednesday "Coffee" tradition, started in the mid-90s at Coffee Society in Cupertino, continuing (and converging with #GaySanJose) at Cafe Leviticus, then moving on to CyberCafes in Sunnyvale, and culminating in Exciting Random Location. May still be going on, but Reveille is no longer the one to contact about it.

* '''Revenge of Pizza, RAWR!'''
:What: Dead due to disinterest.

* '''Pizza Naughm'''
:When: Every Tuesday around 7 p.m.
:Where: Used to be at Me-N-Ed's Pizzeria in Fremont, but the restaurant closed. Hopefully something will be resurrected at some point?
:"Naughm" is intended as a more meaty, cheeks-full version of the word "nom," which is sometimes used to indicate ravenous eating (e.g. "Nom nom nom nom!").

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [http://kalu-art.com/bayfurs/ Bay Area Furries] on Public Wave
* [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html Bay Area Furry mailing list]
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Meetup Group for Bay Area Furs], organized by Teddy Tiger
* [http://upcoming.yahoo.com/group/3020/ Bay Area Furries group] on Upcoming
* [http://community.livejournal.com/bafur/ BAFUR Community] on LiveJournal

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'''Bay Area Furry''' ('''"BAF"''') usually refers to one of the following:

* An [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf email discussion list] hosted on [[fur.com]]
* A [[furry]] residing in, or having an interest in, the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|San Francisco Bay Area]]

The region arguably has the world's greatest concentration of furries per square mile. One oft-cited reason is [[furry fandom|furdom]]'s historic base in the online world, where [[wikipedia:Silicon Valley|Silicon Valley]] technologists had an unusually high level of access during furdom's growth in the 1990s.

Resources on this page were moved from [[Tom Howling]]'s web site on 24 August 2005.

== Online discussion venues ==

* [http://www.fur.com/mailman/listinfo/baf Bay Area Furry mailing list] is the long running email discussion group, with much activity now moved to Telegram but still widely subscribed
* [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1475507222530411/ Nor Cal Furs Facebook Group]
* [https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/103240926413062585833 Bay Area Furry Google Plus Community]
* [http://www.livejournal.com/community/bafur/ bafur LiveJournal community]
* If you use IRC, check out the #[[baycafe]] channel on irc.anthrochat.net, or the #bayareafurs channel on irc.furnet.org
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Bay Area Furry Meetup.com] - organized by [[Teddy Tiger]], lists up events people can go to. Sometimes not openly put on the mailing list.
:The Meetup.com group has its own Telegram [https://t.me/bayareafurmeets channel] (where meets get posted) and [https://telegram.me/SFBayAreaFurs group] (for discussion). Although the Telegram groups are all-ages while the Meetup.com group itself is 18+.
* On [http://www.tribe.net tribe.net] is the [http://bayfurs.tribe.net SF Bay Furries] tribe. As of this writing (January 2004), the [http://fursuit.tribe.net Fursuit] tribe has a very high concentration of Bay Area folks as well.
* If you use Telegram, join the [https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAADzLZ_su8JmfdtN3NA Bay Area Furs] (18+), [https://t.me/BayAreaFurs Bay Area Furs] (all-ages), the [https://telegram.me/BayFurs Bay Furs] (16+), or the [https://telegram.me/joinchat/Bhy37ECgSWgMkvU6THiO_A SF Bay Furs] (18+) groups there.
* If you use [[Furry Amino]], join the [http://aminoapps.com/p/n4p3nv Bay Area Furs] group there, run by Lemon Roo.
* If you use [http://discordapp.com Discord], join the [https://discord.gg/RraKYED Bay Area Furries] (all-ages) server there, run by Skyite Ovexion.

All age ranges indicate typical subject matter encountered, minors should always ask a parent before going online.

== FAQs ==

* [http://www.fur.com/~keepiru/bayarea.html Keepiru's guide to Bay Area Living] was "...written for people moving here for a job, not for people coming to go to school, and it's a couple years out of date, but it might be interesting nonetheless." (Last updated January 2001.)

== Events ==

=== Weekly ===

==== Mondays ====

* '''Mongolian BBQ "''Mongolian Monday''"'''
:When: around 6-9pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1135+Tasman+Drive,+Sunnyvale,+CA+94089&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.273371,74.355469&ie=UTF8&ll=37.40475,-121.995192&spn=0.009136,0.018153&z=16&iwloc=addr Gobi Mongolian BBQ, 1135 Tasman Drive, Sunnyvale, CA 94089]

==== Tuesdays ====

==== Wednesdays ====

==== Thursdays ====

* '''[[Crack Chicken]]'''
:When: 6:30pm - 12:30am every week on Thursday
:Where: Wicked Chicken, 2565 The Alameda, Santa Clara, CA 95050

:Description: This location used to be called SmokeEaters, however they closed down and reopened in September after a few months for a remodel.

:This is the biggest public meet in the southern SF Bay Area which occurs weekly. The typical turnout is going to be around 30 people, typically more show up throughout the night. The crowd typically will disperse around 10PM but some will stay and socialize until around 12:30am. '''All ages are welcome to attend this event'''.

:URL: http://www.wickedchickenwings.com/
:Telegram group specific for Chicken: https://t.me/wickedchickenchat

* '''Writers and Artists Group'''
:When: 7:00pm - 9:30pm, every Thursday
:Where: Another Café, 1191 Pine Street, San Francisco, CA

:Description: Casual gathering for one-on-one and group help for furry/fur-curious writers, artists, and any combination of the two. A great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project.

:The '''Writers and Artists Group''', also known as '''WAG SF''', is a weekly gathering of furry and fur-curious [[writer|written]] and [[Artist|media]] creators in [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco, California]], USA since October 14, 2010.<ref>[https://www.fur.com/mailman/private/baf/2010-October/007455.html Private post] on the BAF's Writers and Artists Group mailing list. Retrieved ?.</ref>

:"WAG SF" was created to provide casual one-on-one and group help for writers, artists, or any combination of the two. It is a great solution for those who need the right atmosphere, motivation, or assistance to complete a personal or professional project. The group's average size ranges from 3 to 7.

:As more than half of the regular members are [[furries]], it is often referred to as '''The San Francisco Furmeet'''.{{fact}}

:Schedule and location: This group gathers every week on Thursdays from 7:00pm - 9:30pm. Any adjustments in the time or cancellations are provided through [[BAF]] and/or Google Groups<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/wagsf Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref> by the host, [[RienKarrot]].

:The group officially meets at [http://www.anothercafesf.com Another Cafe].<ref>[https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/wagsf/9ctqccBfEKo Private post] on the Writers and Artists Group mailing's Google Group. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==== Fridays ====

==== Saturdays ====

==== Sundays ====

* '''Sunday Brunch'''

:When: 11:00am - 1:00pm.
:Where: Marie Callenders, Sunnyvale location

:URL: http://www.mariecallenders.com/l/sunnyvale-restaurant-bakery/106

:Description: Casual gathering for food and conversation at Marie Callenders, 751 E El Camino Real in Sunnyvale (near Wolfe Rd, same shopping center as the Safeway and the Coldstone Creamery). There's an excellent all-you-can-eat brunch buffet, or you can order off the menu. Either way the portions are big and the atmosphere is quiet, calm, laid-back, and friendly. '''RSVPs are mandatory! See below.'''

:Parking: Plenty -- it's located in a shopping center with tons of parking.

:Fursuiting: Not a good idea at this venue. Plus there just isn't room. Sorry!

:How to RSVP: Chris needs a headcount by 9:00 AM every Sunday so he can call ahead and make the reservation with the restaurant. You '''must''' let Chris know you're coming or there won't be a seat for you! You can RSVP either by emailing [mailto:chris.h.olds@gmail.com Chris] or by clicking the RSVP button on the listing for this event on meetup.com.

=== Monthly ===

* '''[[Berkeley Furmeet]]'''
:When: First Tuesday of the month, 7:30pm - 10:00pm
:Where: [http://www.google.com/maps?q=2000+University+Ave,+Berkeley,+CA+94704,+USA| Au Coquelet Cafe, 2000 University Ave., Berkeley]

* '''[[Frolic]]'''
:When: First Saturday of the month, 8 p.m. - 2 a.m.
:Where: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/SF-Eagle/@37.7699717,-122.4155742,1007m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x808f7e261bbf0e79:0xffc98cc7fc95768f!8m2!3d37.7699717!4d-122.4133855?hl=en| The Eagle night club, 398 12th Street (at Harrison), San Francisco]
:Expect to find: reasonably priced drinks, techno music, black lights, face painting, glow sticks, and friendly people in costume. This is a 21 and over event where once a month, furries take over a nightclub in San Francisco, and bring in our own DJ's, art, video, decor, and fill the place up with fursuiters. There is a smallish shared space for fursuiters to get suited in.

* '''[[San Francisco Furmeet]]'''
:When: Last Monday of the month, 7pm
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=289+8th+St+San+Francisco,+CA| Wicked Grounds, 289 8th Street, San Francisco, CA]
:Directions: They are located at 289 8th Street in San Francisco. To get there from BART/MUNI, get off at Civic Center Station and exit at the 8th Street exit (there are signs). Take a left onto 8th street and Wicked Grounds will be about 3 blocks down, on the left, right before Folsom Street.
:Expect to find: Coffee and sandwiches are served here.

* '''[[South Bay Furbowl]]'''
:When: 3rd Saturday of every month around 7:30 PM - 11:30 PM
:Where: [https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=20990+Homestead+Rd%2C+Cupertino%2C+CA%2C+us| Homestead Bowl at 20990 Homestead Rd, Cupertino, CA 95014]
:Description: Meet at the bowling alley in the pool room/private room, which is to the right behind the front desk when you walk in the main doors. Showing up by 8:00 PM is suggested so you can pay Relaxing Dragon in advance and get checked in. Games are $7.00 per game per person. Bowling shoes, for those that need them, are $4.50 a pair. Pay for bowling shoes at the front desk where you pick up your shoes.
:Parking: The parking lot of this new alley isn't the greatest in terms of space (depending on what time you arrive), so be prepared to hunt around or park in one of the two lots across the street.

* '''[[Petaluma Pizza]]'''
:When: First Wednesday of the month, typically announced in advance. 7:00pm, see BAF Meetup Page for specific date each month.
:Where: Old Chicago Pizza, 41 Petaluma Boulevard North, Petaluma CA 94952

* '''[[Vacaville Furbowl]]'''
:When: 7:00pm to about 11pm Usually on the first Sunday of each month unless otherwise noted on the BAF and Bay Area furs Meetup group.
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Expect to find: Brought back to life from the remnants of the Stars bowling event, This event continues to bring together furs from both the Sacramento and SF Bay Areas. Stars is a 24 hour entertainment facility with numerous bowling lanes, an arcade, and a restaurant so there's allot available to do. At a typical event we usually gather for an hour and then start bowling at around 8pm. Fursuiters are welcome and a semi private changing area is available in the locker alcove at the facility. Bowling prices currently are $4.50 per game, and $3 for shoe rental (not required for Fursuiters and those with bowling shoes). After everyone is finished bowling for the evening we then typically head over to the nearby Mels diner for a late night dinner.

* '''[[Bay Area Furbecue]]'''
:When: 11:30 AM until everyone decides to disband, second Saturday of every month.
:Where: Larkey Park, 2771 Buena Vista Avenue, Walnut Creek, CA
:Expect to find: A group of furries holding a potluck barbecue in Larkey park.

* '''[[Peninsula FurHabit]]'''
:When: Every 2nd or 3rd Saturday of the month at 2:30pm - 3:50pm
:Where: The Habit Burger Grill, 1100 Park Pl, San Mateo, CA 94403
:Description: Come new and current furries and enjoy fine burgers and socializing. Break the ice and ensure that all furries are welcome. Message @Noah_Nova on Telegram. Info also posted on the BAF meetup page when officially announced.

* '''[[Furryoke]]'''
:When: fourth Sunday of the month, 8pm - 1am
:Where: [https://goo.gl/maps/HDKEM1ZhqSK2|Renegades, 501 W Taylor St, San Jose]
:Expect to find: Fursuit friendly karaoke shared with the bar's weekly karaoke clientele. KJed by Kor Karaoke, who also provide KJ services for Further Confusion. Some changing space is available.

=== Currently Dead Gatherings ===

The following gatherings appear to be moribund. For details, ask on the [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html BAF discussion list] before going.

* '''[http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/San_Francisco_Furry_Party San Francisco Furry Gaming Party]'''
:When: starting after 6 p.m. on the last Saturday night of the month; specific dates announced on the mailing list
:Where: [[Sagemane]], [[Tenebris]] and [[Hunter Gryphon]]'s apartment in the [[Wikipedia:Excelsior District, San Francisco, California|Excelsior District]] of [[Wikipedia:San Francisco|San Francisco]]
:Directions: Available by RSVP only

* '''Furries at the Market'''
:When: 7:30 until 9 or 10 pm, every Wednesday (EXCEPT for Sharks games due to the larger crowds, difficult parking situation, and safety concerns)
:Where: San Pedro Square Market, 87 N. San Pedro St, San Jose, CA

:Description: Weekly gathering at the San Pedro Square Market featuring over 20 unique (and fabulous) food vendors. We gather at the big long wood table in the Market Hall building near Treatbot. The market itself is open until Midnight, however most restaurants tend to close between 9 and 10. There's plenty of seating indoors and out, and free WiFi. See a list of the restaurants (and hours) here: http://www.sanpedrosquaremarket.com/eat/

The meetup was started by [[Toboe Wolfyote]] with the first meet occurring on October 23, 2013. Nine were in attendance.

* '''Stars on Sunday'''
:When: 7:00pm-??? (Stars is open 24 hours a day, so stay however long you would like. Sometimes it's a couple of hours, sometimes it's more!)
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=stars+bowling+95688&fb=1&gl=us&hq=stars+bowling&hnear=95688&cid=0,0,7959681036535741683&ei=8kQfS8aGFZKuswOV2fyBCg&ved=0CAgQnwIwAA&ll=38.367654,-121.967125&spn=0.00816,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A Stars Recreation, 155 Browns Valley Parkway, Vacaville, CA‎] - (707) 455-7827‎
:Directions: This bowling alley can be a little hard to find at night, so make sure you pull up exact directions from Google/Mapquest!
:The first Sunday of every month, [[Kannakin]] and Eden suit up and go to the Stars Recreational Center to bowl. It's a nice quiet 24 hour facility that has bowling, lazer tag, and a huge arcade; the whole nine yards. The reactions we get when we're there are wonderful, and the employees love us. Bowling is $4.00 a game per person, so it's definitely cheap fun! (I'm not sure the cost of shoes/bowling ball if you don't already have them) Make sure that if you're coming you bring enough money for yourself to bowl and play! Fursuiters and non-fursuiters welcome! If you have trouble finding us, look for the only ears and tail in the establishment!

* '''SF Furmeet at Sparky's'''
:When: Starting at 7 p.m. on the first Monday of every month (or, if the day happens to be a National Holiday, then typically the following Monday).
:Where: [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=242+Church+St.,+San+Francisco,+CA+94114&layer=&sll=37.345597,-121.935883&sspn=0.165947,0.258179&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=37.766915,-122.428894&spn=0.082505,0.129089&om=0&iwloc=addr "Sparky's Diner" at 242 Church St. in San Francisco, CA 94114] (phone: 415-626-8666)
:Directions: Located on Church St. between 15th St. and Market St. It's a fairly easy walk down 16th Street from BART -- walk uphill, then turn right on Church Street and walk another few blocks. Nearby MUNI transit includes the 22, 35, F, J, K, L, M, and N lines. All let you off somewhere near Church and Market. Driving is possible, but expect some difficulty in finding parking nearby. Available food includes burgers, sandwiches, pasta, some vegetarian entrées, salads, ice cream, coffee drinks, sodas, shakes and $1.25 beer specials on Mondays! Typical price for a main dish is $6-12.

* '''Wednesday Taco Time!'''
:What: Dead due to stagnation and cliquishness.

* '''Wednesday Coffee'''
:What: The evolution of the Wednesday "Coffee" tradition, started in the mid-90s at Coffee Society in Cupertino, continuing (and converging with #GaySanJose) at Cafe Leviticus, then moving on to CyberCafes in Sunnyvale, and culminating in Exciting Random Location. May still be going on, but Reveille is no longer the one to contact about it.

* '''Revenge of Pizza, RAWR!'''
:What: Dead due to disinterest.

* '''Pizza Naughm'''
:When: Every Tuesday around 7 p.m.
:Where: Used to be at Me-N-Ed's Pizzeria in Fremont, but the restaurant closed. Hopefully something will be resurrected at some point?
:"Naughm" is intended as a more meaty, cheeks-full version of the word "nom," which is sometimes used to indicate ravenous eating (e.g. "Nom nom nom nom!").

== References ==
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== External links ==
* [http://kalu-art.com/bayfurs/ Bay Area Furries] on Public Wave
* [http://www.fur.com/fur.com/baf.html Bay Area Furry mailing list]
* [http://www.meetup.com/SFBayAreaFurs/ Meetup Group for Bay Area Furs], organized by Teddy Tiger
* [http://upcoming.yahoo.com/group/3020/ Bay Area Furries group] on Upcoming
* [http://community.livejournal.com/bafur/ BAFUR Community] on LiveJournal

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Jwoulf

2007-05-24T07:59:54Z

Michichael: Fixed some spelling issues.

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-05-20T08:20:11Z

Michichael: /* Removal of real name? */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsigned|24.83.69.143}}

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsigned|69.106.8.60}}

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitly a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid eachother, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule.

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-05-20T01:55:11Z

Michichael: /* Removal of real name? */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but yes, I agree as well. (Read his talk page...) -Michichael

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsigned|24.83.69.143}}

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsigned|69.106.8.60}}

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]