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Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:23:28Z

Maiza: Thought Revision.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

::::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

::::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
::::-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history and the bulk of participants of said 'controversy' no longer being around. The issue is long dead and gone (And the dead's horse's twitching body beaten into a wonderful wriggling mess of giblets!) - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to be addressed.

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:18:21Z

Maiza: Thought Revision.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

::::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

::::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
::::-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history and the participants of said 'controversy' no longer being around. The issue is long dead and gone (And the dead's horse's twitching body beaten into a wonderful wriggling mess of giblets!) - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to be addressed.

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:15:38Z

Maiza: Thought revision.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

::::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

::::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
::::-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history and the participants of said 'controversy' no longer being around. The issue is dead and gone - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to be addressed.

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:14:07Z

Maiza: Fixing an incomplete statement.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

::::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

::::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
::::-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history. The issue is dead and gone - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to be addressed.

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:12:04Z

Maiza: Formatting edit.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

::::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

::::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
::::-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history. The issue is dead and gone - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

Talk:Sunrise MUCK

2009-04-12T21:07:02Z

Maiza: Notification of Intent of major revision to outdated and errant 'Controversy' section.

== Editing problems ==
There seems to be a problem with editing this article, in that it erases the Prides section when edits are done...see [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=100280] and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sunrise_MUCK&diff=prev&oldid=110910] for examples. This happened after the MU-logo tag was added by GreenReaper - is this the source of the problem? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed, too, that if you click the 'Edit' link above 'Prides', it takes you to edit 'Characters' instead. o.O [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I did too. There is something screwed up here, I'm guessing because of the <pre>==</pre> lines in the logo. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Change of name or successor? ==

A description of Sunrise MUCK in [http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/worldlist.php?tree=social/furry the Pueblo list of furry worlds] says "Sunrise MUCK, formerly known as 'African Tails MUCK'"
Can anyone clarify this? I assumed that [[African Tails]] closed and Sunrise MUCK opened, rather than just a name change. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:I believe Sunrise was the successor, not a name change. Similar to [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] opening after [[Endless Round MUCK]] closed, there was a player desire to continue RPing with the same playerbase, and possibly some of the same features as the previous MUCK, but not necessarily exactly the same. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== 'Controversy' paragraph ==

As one of the wizards from Sunrise MUCK, I'm concerned that the Controversy paragraph in this article is misleading about the issues being discussed. (Bearing in mind this sentence from WikiFur's editing rules: "If there is controversy, make sure to include resources and links to both sides of the issue, and attribute opinion to specific groups of people.") It gives only the criticising point of view without saying anything about the views of those on the other side of the issue. In the case of the most recent edit, it is also bordering on factually inaccurate.

Both controversies cite threads on Sunrise MUCK's forums as their only source. The first criticism is factually accurate in that there is indeed some concern from a few existing players about the openness of the playerbase to new players and varying levels of RP skill. However, what the article does not state is that the admin of Sunrise have acknowledged these criticisms and put making new players feel welcome high on their priority list, and that any players who have trouble settling in are openly invited to page a member of staff who will help them find their niche. There are other non-admin posters in the referenced threads who testify to this improvement, so I propose an additional sentence after the first one that briefly explains this. (I'd be happy to write such a sentence, but I'm posting here first in hopes it can be agreed on before making an edit to the article.)

The second alleged controversy, despite referring to 'players' been concerned about material being lifted from 'MUCKs' in the plural, actually concerns a single MUCK and a single player in a single incident. Furthermore, it implies plagiarism with its reference to 'material', when in fact the disputed 'material' was an idea that actually bore only a loose resemblance to the idea that was suggested by the player who complained. The concept was the creation of a group of honourable male lions; the player who said they had previously suggested something similar had in fact only mentioned in another board that their ''evil'' character 'may need one or two like-minded companions down the road'. (You can see it here: [http://tinyurl.com/2jo5o2].) This was in turn a different idea from the complaining player's group of male lions that existed on ER MUCK, which was also not the main source of inspiration for the new concept. (It was actually inspired in feel by the movie 'Troy', and in form by the real-life tendency of male lions to band in groups, as stated in the referenced thread.)

Regardless of all this, the complaint was no more than the player saying they were 'kinda bummed' that an idea similar to theirs had been actioned. The player who created the group had not intended to steal ideas and said so, and the issue was resolved immediately and amicably without ever becoming a 'controversy'. I therefore suggest the removal of this sentence entirely from the article.

Thanks for reading. :)

--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 20:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya on Sunrise)

:I have removed the last sentence from the most recent controversy edit, and added a new sentence providing the other side of the controversy which I hope satisfies both sides of the issue. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Tiyln admitted that she got the idea for the group from ER MUCK on the thread ([http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=groups&action=display&thread=1173068991&page=1]). Also, the Prideland characters have backgrounds extraordinarily similar to a plot that was attempted on ER (Simba being kidnapped by panthers and taught their ways). It is stated in the character's description, which I will quote here:

''This isn't the Simba that you would recall from the Lion King movies. His situation has turned out differently and thus he is by far a different lion. His father never died, and he never got to be king. He was stolen away in his early cubhood by panthers and taught to fight and fend for himself. His pride was laid to waste by a plague, he being one of the very few and lucky survivors. He's now a toughened rogue, living from day to day and meal to meal.''

There may be some cause for the lifting of the "Simba-Panther plot" that I am unaware of, but Tiyln openly admitted that the idea for the male coalition on Sunrise came from the group on ER MUCK. Therefore, I see no reason why the information regarding this was deleted. - Tukutu (from Sunrise MUCK) 19 April 2007, 20:27 (EST) {{unsigned|71.127.21.228}}

:This is because it's the same Simba-player from ER bringing over the same Simba character they had played up until that point, just like my Zira is the same one from ER. When the controversy in May 2006 on [[Endless Round]] occurred, the current players of those FCs left to go play them on Sunrise. We chose to pick up where we left off, personality and plot-wise, rather than starting over with something new. Therefore, Simba has mention of the panthers in his past, since it had occurred to him on ER. See my response below concerning the male coalition. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the quote that makes this issue pertinent is: "I KNOW ER had one. I was in it. I Really like the idea and take no hand in thinking it up by myself," by the staff member in question. Only after the players from ER spoke up did staff backpedal and start citing and ''emphasizing'' "Troy" as their source of inspiration. The player who told Sunrise staff that she was "bummed" about staff's actions is one of ''many'' players who worked on the [[Endless Round]] group. Just because she's the only one speaking up about it doesn't mean that she's the only one concerned. If it is allowable, I will be more than happy to cite outside sources on ''other'' forums where this is being discussed, along with other issues that aren't even mentioned here if staff feels it's appropriate. As for the lifting of plots and characters from ER, Tukutu, that's inevitable; Sunrise allowed the FCs from Endless Round to come over to their game during the huge Ed debacle of May 2006. However, whether the ''current'' player of Simba on Sunrise is the Simba who was involved with the panther plot is another matter entirely. What matters here, I think, is the fact that Sunrise staff is taking things from dead games (and admitting to it, as Tukutu pointed out) without taking the courtesy to even ''page'' the people who came up with it in the first place. And it isn't as though the staff member in question didn't know the original creators were playing there; she did. Still, I don't think it's plagiarism (you can't copyright an idea, even though the Sostrate ranks are ''exactly'' the same as the Warugaruga ranks were on [[Endless Round]]) so much as rudeness. The Sostrate coalition claims to be a group of honorable mercenaries, anyway. What that supposedly has to do with "Troy", I have no idea. - Anon 19 April 2007, 20:48 (EST) {{unsigned|24.108.208.25}}

:I'm replacing the sentence into the controversy section, though it will be amended slightly to try and keep the tone neutral. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The player behind the current Simba is indeed the same as played Simba on ER. Characters from TLK are not considered FCs on Sunrise so are never recast. The panther concept was made up by that player and brought to Sunrise by the same player.

However, there seems to be more to the Sostrate issue. As this discussion has raised issues that the Sunrise admin were not aware of, I'm trying to follow up what's been said by Tukutu and the anonymous poster so that we can put right any problems people have that were never brought to our attention before. Would the anonymous poster who commented yesterday at 20:48 please note that I have left a message on your IP's talk page. Thanks. :)
--[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 17:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (Afya)

This entire dispute is ridiculous. The only point of mentioning this one, tiny, and ludicrously trivial "controvery" (which as Kimelea has already mentioned consists of merely the personal irritation of a SINGLE player) on the Sunrise Wikifur website is to make the administration of the MUCK look bad. There is no reason on earth to behave as though this is the only instance of a male coalition of lions EVER EXISTING. Just because Sunrise has one doesn't MEAN that its creators HAD to have "stolen" it from ER. You can't sue someone for being inspired, and you can't claim that you had a copyright on that inspiration.

Futhermore, whatever happened in the Sunrise forum HAPPENED. Almost two months ago. Apologies were made. It is not an issue on the MUCK anymore, and therefore does not deserve to be included on Sunrise's Wikifur page. Not unless you want to also mention every -single- inconsequential argument that has EVER happened on Sunrise.

Additionally, it is downright WRONG to publicly libel Tilyn. There is -nothing- to be gained by giving vent to what is clearly a personal grudge against a wizard on a public website that exists to report FACTUAL and IMPORTANT information about a RP kingdom. I respectfully request that you guys grow up and understand that the purpose of Sunrise is not to rip off Endless Round. We existed before ER and we have existed after ER. Obviously, we don't need ER's ideas to be successful. {{unsigned|149.159.106.104}}

:There is nothing here worthy of being called "libel". Libel is defined as defamation of a person - there is a direct quote from Tilyn's post, and there needed to be a reference for who said that particular quote. How is quoting someone to further explain the facts of a situation libelous? Your "respectful" request to "grow up" is more libelous than factually referring to Tilyn as having a leader in the group and quoting what she said on the forum, in my humble opinion. Regardless, please see my reply below. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I've received no reply from the anonymous poster who posted three days ago. As such, I'm requesting again that the second 'controversy' be removed. I agree with the poster above in that the brief dispute over Sostrate was surely never a big enough deal to be highlighted in a short and factual article.

Tilyn got the idea of having a male coalition on Sunrise, from the one on Endless Round. That is ALL she got from the one on Endless Round. Male lions form coalitions in real life, so the only leap of imagination there was to port it to a MUCK and give it a military form. This basic coalition idea is what she is referring to in the forum post when she says she takes no credit for thinking it up herself. The ranks for Sostrate are standard military ranks taken from Wikipedia. Everything else, including the group's alignment and philosophy, was created on Sunrise, for Sunrise - with inspiration from movies and whatever else. To say that the group concept was stolen from ER is like saying the idea for multiple lion prides was stolen from TLK MUCK. The owner of the ER coalition long ago accepted that it had not been 'stolen', and the issue has remained a non-issue for the MUCK ever since. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:I don't want to have to keep removing and readding this section of the article, and it's obvious we're not going to please everyone. So, I'm slapping a "disputed" tag on the section and asking for some unrelated third party/administrator to come in and provide some advice on what should be done with this section. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 19:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I really don't want to make a list of similarities between the Sunrise group and the ER group, but they're too many for the Sostrate to simply be "inspired" by the Warugaruga on ER. Sunrise staff can say that she made the coalition a military organization because it was the logical thing to do, but that's not what her post suggests. That's not what she says she did. Sunrise staff can claim that the idea of a male lion coalition is fair game - and it is. But the fact remains that they're more than just a group of male lions. They're a group of ''neutral-aligned mercenaries who hire themselves out to other kingdoms and have a strong bias against females'', which is ''exactly'' what the ER group was, and ''exactly'' what Tilyn participated in. The ranks are the same. The philosophy is the same. The purpose is the same. It has absolutely ''nothing'' to do with Troy ''or'' 300. There are plenty of people using this talk page to debate this issue, so to claim that nobody cares about it is silly. Not everything in your game's Wiki article is going to be positive, because not everything in your game is positive. Deal with it; just because you don't like the way it reads doesn't make it libel, as [[Spaz Kitty]] pointed out. Everything in the article is cited. That said, I agree that the administrators need to step in and make a decision about the section one way or another. I know ''I'm'' disappointed with the way the situation was handled on the Sunrise forums; the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and ''continues'' to be extremely unprofessional. Additionally, I have added citation for the bit about staff "attempting to make new players feel more welcome" so interested readers can see what's being done to try and fix the problems that the MUCK is experiencing. - Anon. 15:37, 22 April 2007 (MST)

:Sostrate is not a group of mercenaries for hire. As you'll see if you read the post, they are an independent roaming band that may CHOOSE to lend their strength in battle to honourable allies if the IC leader deems them worthy of help. Nor are they anti-female - it's just that OOCly the number of females in the group is heavily restricted, as that would make it a pride. And once again, the leader of ER's coalition - to the best of my knowledge - has no current complaints about Sostrate. I think it is reasonable to say that even if Tilyn had wanted to lift the Warugaruga concept in its entirety from ER, the approval of the group's creator would have been sufficient, in the absence of anyone else there identifying themselves as members of ER's coalition. It is not really reasonable to come out of the woodwork now and ask for Sunrise MUCK to be publically criticised for not taking note of a complaint you never voiced.

:I have said before that I do not object to the sentence about Sunrise being considered unwelcoming by some; I'm content with that now that it is balanced, so please do not put words into my mouth by suggesting that I am demanding that everything in the article must be positive. I am not, however, content with your modification of its references. The first sentence is for criticism of Sunrise; the second sentence is for the positive things we are doing to deal with the complaints, and changing the citations around as you have done is malicious and presents that thread in the wrong context. The topic you referenced is mostly about what we need players to do, not about the efforts we are making to make new players feel welcome, and is therefore irrelevant to that sentence in the article. At the moment, there is no such post that is strictly relevant to that statement, because making newbies feel more welcome is an effort being done on an individual level on the MUCK itself rather than on the forum. If anyone wants a reference for that sentence, I would be happy to make a statement on the Sunrise forum to that effect. But now that the Disputed tag is on that section, please be so kind as to leave the article alone until the independent third party assesses it. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 00:20, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::I find it interesting that what you say completely contradicts what Tilyn told me in-game when I joined the group. Taken from the forums: "This militant coalition will be the combination of the savannah's most able bodied lions/fighter/soldiers. They are not EVIL. They are not GOOD. They have NO alliance, HOWEVER. All of these are left to RP in the future. Should a war begin, a pride COULD ask for their service, but that does not mean they will grant it." It says right there that they're a group of soldiers whose services are available to established prides. Yeah, they can say no, but that still makes them ''mercenaries''. If you'd done your research, you'd know that the ER group had the exact same policy, right down to the borrowing youngsters from foreign kingdoms bit. The only difference is we called them 'wards' instead of 'privates'. Has it occured to Sunrise staff that people are afraid to say anything based on the way that a lot of players have been talked down to on the forums? To be perfectly honest, I have HUGE reservations about using this discussion page, knowing that you guys can match my IP to my MUCK account. Then again, if you had, you'd know that I ''am'' the creator of the original group on [[Endless Round]], and if any of you had bothered to contact me about the contents of this talk page (you didn't), I would have publicly stepped forward sooner. All this stuff about me giving my "blessings" is a massive exaggeration. Anubis and Tilyn were going through with it, regardless of my feelings, even after I told them that it bothered me. But what bothers me even more is the fact you're chiding me for adding a citation that portrays you fellas in a more positive light. Please explain to me how pointing the article's controversy section to a forum thread in which Anubis proves you guys are making an effort to welcome people is "malicious". - Shetani 20:21, 22 April 2007 (MST)
::As an aside, if you are concerned about IP addresses, I suggest you register an account and login, as the IPs of users are not visible to other users and are not made available to administrators except in the case of persistent vandalism, for blocking purposes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

:::If you are the ER group's creator, why oh why didn't you say sooner that it was you who were unhappy? We could have tried to put things right before it all got nasty. :/ The last I heard was this, taken from the referenced forum post: "''It's fine, Tilyn. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job with it. XD''" That is what I am referring to by giving your blessing. I had no reason to suspect that wasn't still true and therefore no reason to bug you about it on the MUCK. If you were the original anonymous poster, however, you will have seen the message I left on your IP talk page [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:24.108.208.25] encouraging you to talk to me privately regardless of your identity so that we could try to sort out any problems you had. I received no reply or acknowledgement. If you feel 'talked down to' on the forums, try a private message of some form. As for tracking you by IP, it is your right to choose to be anonymous, so I would not try.

:::I felt that given your statement above that you feel "the staff over there was extremely unprofessional and continues to be extremely unprofessional", your change to the article's citations was intented to draw attention to the requests Anubis has made of players rather than the flip side - the efforts we're making MUCKside - which is what that sentence is about. If it was not meant maliciously, I apologise. If the mediating admin decide to leave the citation as it is, I will add a post to that thread to make it relevant.

:::I think anything else that needs to be said that's not directly related to the wording of the article is better taken to another arena, so for my part I'll end my spam here. Given that the situation has obviously become more complicated since I made my original comment on this page, I'll leave it up to the admin to decide whether the statement currently in the main article is warranted. --[[User:Kimelea|Kimelea]] 09:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

::::I personally think this is all dumb and over with. Everyone has their own opinion. I Did tell her that I wanted to make a coalition like she had on ER, but that in no way means i wanted to make the EXACT same one. 300 and Troy DID inspire me as well as the fact of the matter that i was IN that Coalition on ER and i remembered it and thought it a good Ideas because Sunrise had never had one. A 'coalition' isn't someones original creation, so I don't see the problem but that isn't the point. I based my own character off of Leonidus [sp?] from 300, his whole attitude and perspective.

::::Say what you want, I really don't care, as i said everyone has their own opinion of everything so knock yourselves out. Just quit this crap on here, it's pointless and pretty much only flames up everyones aggrivation.

:::Don't delete and redo anything, it really doesn't matter and/or fix anything. Just leave it all alone. I'm done, it's gone anyway due to INACTIVETY due to the players who wished to join. If the original creator of the coalition on ER wanted to make the one she intended to then it would be fine. I Never saw a post saying she was going to make one and I even went and looked at the one she directed me too. My bad, I'm sorry, stuff happens.

:::Hopefully this is all dead and over. There's no point in fretting over something thats not even there anymore.
-tilyn.

Due to present MUCK configuration, theme, and whatnot - this whole section needs massive revision or removal. The Playerbase has changed remarkably since the issue was started, the groups in question are non-existent (disbanded on the MU* almost two years ago.), and even the history of said groups on the MU are no longer prevalent due to the revival and changes in theme/history. The issue is dead and gone - as is the need for this whole section.

In addition, the notation of the MU* being 'cliquish' also needs to be removed as this has not been true or active for several years due to playerbase/wizz/staff turnover. Poor, broadly swept comments like this only hurt the MU*'s image without due cause or inference to the present situation.

Furthermore, this is affecting SunRise's playerbase and recruiting efforts - outdated (and frankly incorrect data in the present situation) only scare potential recruits off or shy them away... something which in the present situation needs to

Due to no further discussion on this topic after last entry, I'm moving that these sections be stricken from the entry - and intend to do so if no further entries or changes are made in the next few days.

--[[User:Maiza|Maiza]] 11:05, 12 April 2009 (GMT-10:00)

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'''Sunrise MUCK''' is an African-themed [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]]. It was created after the demise of [[African Tails MUCK]]. Currently after two re-dos when things got rough. the MUCK is back a few centuries ahead of what was previously played in with a completely different storyline.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://sunrise.drigon.com:9999 sunrise.drigon.com, port 9999] (previously dovienya.net port 1994 from June 2003 to September 2006)
** '''Website''': http://www.sunrisemuck.com/
::::http://www.ambientsky.net/sunrise/ (old site)
* '''Forum''': http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi
* '''Ran from/to''': June 2003<ref>[http://www.mudconnect.com/mud-bin/simple_search.cgi?Mode=MUD&mud=Sunrise+MUCK Sunrise MUCK] at the Mud Connector. Last updated September 8, 2003. Retrieved July 20, 2006.</ref> - present

== Staff ==

===Wizards===

* Tilyn - HeadWiz
* Lutalo
* [[Asrohc|Aria]] - Programmer

===Helpstaff===
* Kione

===Previous staff members===

* [[Shahila|Yllan]] - Head Wizard
* Afya - Wizard
* [[AudreyPuppy|Anubis]] - Wizard
* Kawe - Programmer
* [[Maiza]] - Staff
* Phrixus - Web Master
* Potea - Staff
* Shomoro - Wizard
* Subiani - Wizard
* Tajiri - Staff
* Arazia - Staff
* Elimnyama - Wizard

== Connections with other MUCKs ==

Many of the [[lion]] characters and history on Sunrise MUCK continue from events and bloodlines on the defunct [[African Tails MUCK]].

Originally, Sunrise MUCK had no canon characters from ''[[The Lion King]]''. In May of 2006, several [[Feature Character]]s were allowed to transfer from [[Endless Round MUCK]] following some issues with their portrayal there. However, they are treated as regular characters on Sunrise MUCK and the MUCK remains "a general African themed MUCK" focused on the "original characters and prides", rather than ''The Lion King''-themed.<ref>[http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=suggestions&action=display&thread=67 Concerning the FC Characters]. September 5, 2006 post by by Msasi to Sunrise MUCK forum. Retrieved November 16, 2008.</ref>

== Current Prides ==
*'''Lesedi''' - King Arapmoi
:Generation 1 - King Arapmoi and Queen Nosizwe. Heir Neo.

==== Past prides ====
* '''Kivuli'''
:Kivuli was the oldest pride on the MUCK and was founded by [[Kristin O.|Ewali]].
:Generation 1 - King Ewali and Queen Nakita. Heiress Samawati.
:Generation 2 - King Mguuyasiku and Queen Samawati. Heir Sodawi.
:Generation 3 - King Sodawi and Queen Salinaka. Heiress Lyraiki.
:Generation 4 - King Cairo and Queen Feleti. Heir Xian. (Lyraiki vanished, so rule went to Ewali's granddaughter, Feleti)
:Generation 5 - King Xian and Queen Nyesha. Heir Malik/Heiress Saibh. (Malik tried to take over Kivuli early, but was overthrown by a coalition of knights under Camrath and eventually died. Camrath ruled as regent for a short period before Xian's return. Rule then went to Xian's daughter, Saibh, whose mother was Kieleaji)
:Generation 6 - King Kiet and Queen Saibh. Heir Mizuka.
:Generation 7 - King Mizuka.

* '''Tyne'''
:Tyne shares blood relations with Kivuli, as Ewali's grandson, Kiapo, founded Tyne (originally known as Tufani).
:Generation 1 - King Kiapo and Queen Tisea (I). Heir Kausha/Heiress Kasama.
:Generation 2 - King Binstari and Queen Kasama. Heir Makonnen.
:Generation 3 - King Makonnen and Queen Yvonne. Heiress Tisea (II).
:Generation 4 - King Fuadi and Queen Tisea (II). Heirs Aitan and Elimynama.
:Generation 5 - King Elimynama. Former King Aitan. Former Queens Waset and Ukomobasi. Heirs Kale'Kizuka and Kamau.

* '''Kimondo'''
:Generation 1 - King Tau and Queen Kaia/Queen Kodolea.
:Generation 2 - King Mauja and Queen Tafrija.
:Generation 3 - King Nishati and Queen Shahila (I)/Queen Jasira. Heiress Sakitu.
:Generation 4 - King Anubis and Queen Sakitu. Heir Sasa/Heir Demissle.
:Generation 5 - King Demissle and Queen Neyadhi. Heir Kengee.
:Demissle killed in attack by Kwasi Pride. Kimondo survivors flee to Kivuli for sanctuary, Kimondo pride disbanded.

* '''Kwasi''' - King Sethos.

* '''Mbaamwezi'''
:Generation 1 - King Onyataa and Queen Tona.
:Generation 2 - King Mviko.
:[Beginning with Queen [[Zira]], the Mbaamwezi was a reformed pride sharing no blood relation to the previous rulers.]
:Generation 1 - Queen [[Spaz Kitty|Zira]]. Heir [[Kovu]].
* '''Pridelands''' (The Forgotten Lands) - King Mufasa and Queen Sarabi, with Heir Simba

== Current Groups ==
*'''Zuberi''' [[Cheetah]] Clan - King "Amir" Cashile

==== Past groups ====
* '''Asasabonsam''' [[African Wild Dog]] Pack - Alphas Razakal and Ouida
* '''Amara''' African Wild Dog Pack - Founded by Aon and Mkaragazo
* '''Jahanum''' [[Hyena]] Clan
* '''Noctistellio''' Clan - Priestess Velaera and Grand Vizier Itzal
* '''Sostrate''' Coalition - General Mdjai

== References ==
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Maiza

2007-11-25T15:30:18Z

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[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]

'''Maiza''' (real name Nathan) is a [[MUCK]] [[roleplayer]] who was born in Texas on May 29, 1984. He is located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, U.S.A. The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

He currently has characters on several mucks he hosts on his domain SpartanRealms.com, [[Meadows MUCK]], and had characters on several other large animal-based [[MUCK]]s previously.

==History==
[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]
Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a [[Lion]], son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related [[real life]] events.

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary [[avatar]] and online alias. As of late 2006, Maiza began hosting [[MUCK]]s on his own equipment under the domain of SpartanRealms.com.

{{Contributor}}

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Furry

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The word '''furry''' has several meanings, dependent on the context in which it is used. Predominantly, it pertains to an interest in [[Anthropomorphic|anthropomorphic animals]] and/or mythological or imaginary creatures which possess [[human]] or superhuman capabilities. The plural form of furry in all its contexts is ''furs'' or ''furries''; the subjects of furry interest are also known as [[furries]].

== What it means to ''be'' furry ==
Someone who says they are furry is generally expressing an interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or creatures.

Unfavorable attention from the media has created a negative stereotype of a furry. Contrary to how a Furry is portrayed in pop culture and mass media, how deep or meaningful an interest in Furry is varies greatly from person to person. Also, the breadth of a person's interest in the fandom, and what ultimately makes them furry, is specific to each individual. Below is a list of common interests with which a fur is likely to identify. A furry may be interested in any or all of them, to any degree.

Someone claiming to be furry would also be part of the [[furry fandom]].

== Furry's gamut of interests ==
==== Cartoons and games ====
Interest in anthropomorphic animals and/or creatures can be as simple as the many popular furry cartoon characters, known as [[funny animal]]s. These may include [[Bugs Bunny]], [[Tony the Tiger]], [[Sly Cooper]], [[Star Fox]], etc. However, someone who merely happens to like these characters is not necessarily a furry; the degree and nature of one's interest is relevant here.

==== Spirituality ====
Some furs believe they have a spiritual connection to a particular animal which is typically their [[fursona]], but also may be a [[totem]]. Strong spiritual believers may often say that they are "an animal in a human body" (and in fact may identify themselves as [[Otherkin]], [[Were]]s and/or [[Therian]]s). [[Lifestyler|Furry lifestylers]] often fall into this category.

==== Art and creativity ====
Some furs may be interested only in the creative aspects of the furry fandom. Furry content, both online and off, is easy to obtain, and available in vast amounts, and furs produce new works regularly. Furry artwork is also done by many nonfurries as well in targeting the fandom. Others may disassociate themselves from the fandom and refer to themselves as funny animal artists. Furries may also enjoy [[role-playing]] a particular furry character or fursona, sometimes writing about this character or recording their online interactions for posterity.

==== Fursuiting ====
A relatively ''un''common practice among furries is to dress up in a costume that is typically designed after a fursona.<ref>[[News:UC_Davis_posts_furry_survey_results|UC Davis Posts Furry Survey Results]]</ref> These "[[fursuits]]" are usually worn at [[conventions]], and a few are even designed to accommodate sexual situations.

==== Sexuality ====
To some furs, the sexual [[Xenophilia|attraction]] to anthropomorphic animals is a part of what makes them furry. This is a topic of much controversy, as it has been the subject of early media attention (such as that from [[Wired|Wired Magazine]] and [[Vanity Fair]]), and has spawned a few groups (such as the [[Burned Furs]]) with a desire to shame or suppress those who display their philias in public.

== Other contexts of Furry ==
From within the fandom, anything classified as an anthropomorphic animal and/or creature could be called a furry. That could be anything from [[Scooby Doo]] to various sports [[mascot]]s to [[Omaha the Cat Dancer]]. Since mainstream characters are generally not created with furries in mind, the furry context is presumed by most outsiders to not be present despite subcultural interest.

Any art showcasing anthropomorphic animals is generally considered furry artwork. Artwork that contains furries in sexual situations may be called [[yiff]] or [[spooge]] art.

==== Non-furry furries ====
Anthropomorphic creatures that are also considered to be furry (even with the lack of pelt or fur) include (but are not limited to): [[dragon]]s and [[lizard]]s (also known as [[scalies]] and [[herp]]s, respectively,) [[bird]]s and [[gryphon]]s (also known as [[featheries]] or '''[[avian]]s''',) and [[taur]]s ([[centaur]]s being the prime example.)

== See also ==
*[[Furries]]
*[[Furry fan]]
*[[Furry fandom]]
*[[Fursuit|Fursuiter]]
*[[Furry (IRC)|#furry]]
*[[Furvert]]
*[[Lifestyler]]
*[[wikipedia:Furry|Furry]] on [[Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.slhistory.org/index.php/Anthro Furry] on the SL History Wiki
*[http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry Furry] (Фу́рри) on the Russian Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/intro.html PeterCat's Furry InfoPage]
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/furfaq.txt FAQ] for [[alt.fan.furry]]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry]

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Maiza

2007-11-25T14:52:43Z

Maiza: Info update. Fixed problems caused by 'too many cooks' syndrome...

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]

'''Maiza''' (real name Nathan) is a [[MUCK]] [[roleplayer]] who was born in Texas on May 29, 1984. He is located at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, U.S.A. The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

He currently has characters on several mucks he hosts his domain SpartanRealms.com, [[Meadows MUCK]], and had characters on several other large animal-based [[MUCK]]s.

==History==
[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]
Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a [[Lion]], son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related [[real life]] events.

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary [[avatar]] and online alias. As of late 2006, Maiza began hosting [[MUCK]]s on his own equipment under the domain of SpartanRealms.com.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-09-26T04:20:11Z

Maiza:

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]

'''Maiza''' (real name Nathan) is a [[MUCK]] [[roleplayer]] who was born in Virginia on May 29, 1984. He is located at the Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, U.S.A. The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

He currently has characters on [[Sunrise MUCK]], [[The Lion King MUCK]], and [[Meadows MUCK]], and had characters on [[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]] before it closed.

==History==
[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]].]]
Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

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Maiza

2007-02-11T20:41:04Z

Maiza: Character Update - Shumusi, KaV

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness (Head guard, Mbaamwezi)
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Shumusi - Ethiopian Wolf
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf
[[The Lion King MUCK]]
*Aurora - Lioness

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

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Maiza

2007-02-08T20:16:43Z

Maiza: Character Update - SunRise's Return

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness (Head guard, Mbaamwezi)
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf
[[The Lion King MUCK]]
*Aurora - Lioness

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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User:Maiza

2007-01-25T20:15:47Z

Maiza: History Revert

{{ContributorU}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Status:''' Single - Happily so.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani
*[[Ewali]]

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Male Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Lioness, Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - Lioness
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf
[[The Lion King MUCK]]
*Aurora - Lioness

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

The Lion King MUCK

2007-01-25T20:05:37Z

Maiza: Alphabetical Order for Present Characters

<pre class="MU-logo">
___ _ _ ___
' | ` |__| |__`
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88 ---------------------------------------------------- o8" `"o8
88 ooo oo888oo ooo ooo ooo oo ooo ooo ooo d8' "
88 8 ,8' `8. 8"8 8 8 o8' 8 8"8 8 d8
88 8 88 88 8 8 8 8o' 8 8 8 8 88 oooo
88 8 88 88 8 8 8 88o 8 8 8 8 88 di
88 ,o 8 `8. ,8' 8 8.8 8 `8. 8 8 8.8 `88. ,8i
o88ooooo'o8o `"ooooo"' o8o o8o o8o `8o o8o o8oo o8 (c)"88oood'
</pre>

'''The Lion King MUCK''' is a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] based on the [[The Lion King|movie]], as well as on African wildlife more generally.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://muck.tlkmuck.org:7675/ muck.tlkmuck.org, port 7675]
** '''Website''': http://www.tlkmuck.org/
** '''[[LiveJournal]]''': http://community.livejournal.com/tlkmuck/
* '''Ran from/to''': June 1995 - present

The Lion King Muck was founded by [[Joshua C. Templin]], and originally was based on his fan fiction ''[[The Tales of Tanabi]]''. The storyline has shifted a number of times in the years since, with more than one reset of the Feature Characters from the movie.

This textual roleplaying environment has rather a high population of [[lion]]s (as might be expected) including three official Kings and Prides. [[Leopard]]s (as well as their melanistic individuals, listed as [[panther]]s) are also common, as are [[cheetah]]s, [[hyena]]s, and other African species.

== Wizard and staff positions ==

In December 1998, a new position was added, that of Mage. These players had a [[Wizard]] bit but no administrative access to the MUCK account; they were intended primarily to handle character management.

== Wizards ==

=== Current wizards ===
* [[Ketekh]] - Head Wizard / Player Relations
* [[Danur]] - Coding
* [[Jioni]] - Helpstaff Manager/Building
* [[Tego]] - RP Matters/Chars/Prides/TPs/Building

=== Past wizards ===
* [[Aleinu]]
* Bagheera
* [[Dorra]]
* [[Elzi]]
* [[Fundi]]
* Ifile
* [[Janjamoja]] (Added as a mage on December 10, 1998)
* Karani (February 2002 - February 2005)
* Lea
* [[Logozo]]
* [[Mbokala]]
* Mng'ariza
* Msaka
* [[Senajit]] (Added as a mage on December 10, 1998)
* [[Shenryyr]] - Security / Programming (? - November 2006)
* [[Werevu]]
* [[Wesha]]

=== Founding wizards ===
* Kisasian (Joshua C. Templin)
* Simba ([[Brian Tiemann]])
* Pumbaa - MUCK Programming Expert
* Lebo - MUCK Building Expert
* Timon - Guest Character Manager

== Staff ==

=== [[Helpstaff]] ===

* [[Balana]] - [[MPI]]/Building/Newbies/Guests/RP/PR
* [[Haiba]] - RP~Newbies~Building~Ask Anything
* [[Jabari]] - MPI, Newbi Help, Building, all around craziness!
* [[Jihani]] - RP/Guests/Newbie/Some building/Just ask!
* [[Kucha]] - General-Building-Rp-TP's-Newbie
* [[Mzohari]] - RP | Building | TPs | MPI | Ask Away!
* [[Tamba]] - Guests/Newbies/RP/TPs (from November? 2006)

==== Past helpstaff ====

* [[Arianna]] - General/Building/RP/[[MPI]]/little [[MUF]]/Fast food
* [[Furahi]] - MUF/Newbies/Building/DidImentionMUF?/some MPI
* [[Jamango]] - Anything. (If I'm not idle.)
* [[Kenket]] - Obscure Species Promotion
* [[Kimya]] - Anything but MUF&MPI - Videogaming help! :D
* [[Kivuli'Nyamaa]] - Roleplay | Feline Species Expert | Muck commands
* [[Mondini]] - General-Building-Rp-TP's-Newbie
* [[Muthumaji]] - LSEdit - Newbies - RP - Mangoes - Cuddly things
* [[Tailen]] - Mewse of MPI/MUF/Anything/Master of Distortions

===== RP Staff =====
(September? 2006 - November? 2006)
* [[Gesten]]
* [[Hakika]] - RP Conflicts, Newbies, Anything RP!
* [[Jammet]]
* [[Ras]]

== [[Character]]s ==

=== Present characters ===
* Adaora - Lioness
* Adhimisha - Lion
* [[Amili]] - Male Ethiopian Wolf
* [http://www.lionking.org/~kimya/aida1.htm Aida] - Meerkat
* Aurora - Lioness
* [[Balana]] - Lioness
* Ghedi - Lion
* [[Jabula]] - Leopard
* Jammet - Male leopard Cub
* Jaira - Lioness
* [[Karamu]] - Male [[meerkat]]
* Karove - Male hyena
* [http://www.lionking.org/~kimya/tlk1.htm Kimya] - Female Meerkat
* Kizingo - Lion
* Kyoko - Lioness
* [[Msondo]] - Male meerkat
* Mtukutu - Lion King
* [[Mtunga]] - Lion King
* Mzohari - Lion
* [[Nabana]] - Lion
* Nekthi - Female adol. raven
* Raha - Lioness
* [http://rabbitsuicide.furrynet.com/Rhogali.html Rhogali] - Lion
* Siombe - Lion
* Sirima - Lioness
* Sumi - Lion
* Swadul - Lion
* Tahzhoo - Lion King
* Tenagra - Male mandrill
* Upepo - Female cheetah
* Zaghawa - Female Ethiopian Wolf

=== Past characters ===
* [[Atayah]] - Lioness
* [[Akili]] - Lion (deceased)
* [http://www.fevra.furtopia.org/Characters/Chanika.html Chanika] - Juvenile Lioness
* [[Iggan]] - Lion
* [[Jani'Uziwa]] - Lioness<ref name="kristino">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Kristin_O Kristin O.'s Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved July 26, 2006.</ref>
* [[Kaja]] - Male hyena
* [[Maelia]] - Lioness (deceased)
* [[Mohatu]] - Lion
* [[Nalia]] - Lioness
* [[Nalina]] - Lioness
* [[N'diyani]] - Female Leopard<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Nyanya]] - Lion (deceased)
* [[Pelligri]] - Male panther
* Raiden - White lion<ref name="utendi">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Utendi Utendi's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved July 27, 2006.</ref>
* [[Reznor]] - Hyena
* [[Siyahamba]] - Leopard
* [[Tarlia]] - Lioness<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Tia]] - Lioness (deceased)
* [[Wabi]] - Lion<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Wembly]] - Male panther cub

== Social groups ==

There have been a great many [[In Character]] social groupings on The Lion King MUCK, which have formed, faded, and/or been revived over the years. The most prominent of these have been the prides. There are officially three prides as of December 2006:
* [[Natamba]], led by Tahzhoo, living in the Uzima Valley
* Tsavo-Prideland, led by Mtukutu with his queen Hamaki, living in the Pridelands
* [[Utatu]], led by Mtunga, living in the Utatu lands

There are also two unofficial pridal groupings:

* [[Kopje Valley Pride]], led by Siombe and Balana, living in the Kopje Valley
* Life Valley Pride, led by Isago and Kimia, living in Life Valley

In addition, there have been groups particular to other species, or formed of more than one species. (Prides may have non-lion allies or members as well.) These include:
* The [[Shekwon pack]] of Ethiopian wolves

Some of the past prides were:
* The [[Zari Bara Pride]], a precursor to the Natamba
* The Celestial Volcano Pride
* A number of incarnations of the Pride Rock Pride

Other past groups include:
* The [[Bloodclaw]]
* The Damuamwa hyena clan, led by matriarch K'jasria and her mate Kesh'ra
* The [[Kaare]]
* The Sumu hyena clan, led by matriarch [[Spaz Kitty|Inda]]
* The Kisasa hyena clan, led by matriarch Kora'no

== See also ==
* [[:Category:The Lion King MUCK social groups|The Lion King MUCK social groups]]

== Rules ==

=== Guest characters ===

From 1995, The Lion King MUCK had a system of guest characters; these characters could become permanent, without the g. in front of the name, after a week.<ref name="1995info">[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.disney.announce/msg/f0b26ff828723158?dmode=source TLKMuck Info and FAQ]. October 16, 1995 post to rec.arts.disney.announce by [[Joshua C. Templin]].</ref> By December 1996, guest characters were still described in the rules and policies, but were no longer being created; new characters were created without the g.

=== Adult Male Lions ===

The rule as stated in the July 1998 revision of the rules and policies was that, discounting [[feature character]]s, "there is a limit of ONE(1) AML per player at any given time."<ref name="1998rules">[http://www.limitless.org/~dsauve/maps/tlkrlz14.txt The Lion King MUCK Policies and Regulations v1.4]. July 16, 1998 revision. Retrieved November 4, 2006.</ref> Similarly, the rules as of February 2002 stated "we will only be allowing ONE male lion per player."<ref name="2002rules">[http://web.archive.org/web/20021208172118/http://tlkmuck.org/rules.html Rules, Policies and Regulations v3.0]. February 23, 2002 revision. (Copy on The Lion King MUCK website, stored at the Internet Archive.)</ref>

In October 2005, the rules were relaxed to allow each player to have up to two male Lion characters.<ref>[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=106 Male Lion Limit Raised] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted October 23, 2005 by [[Ketekh]].</ref>

=== Healers ===

Since at least 1998, the rule has been that only Meerkats, and primates, ''i.e.'' animals considered to have opposable thumbs, can be healers.<ref name="1998rules"/> At least one other MUCK, [[Endless Round]] which opened in 2005, advertised a policy of not restricting healer characters in such a way.

The rules as revised in August 2006 state that "Players are welcome to roleplay healer characters if they wish, however if a task requires opposable thumbs, then your character must have opposable thumbs."<ref name="2006rules">[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=170 TLKMuck Rules v4.5] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted August 31, 2006 by [[Ketekh]].</ref>

=== Interspecies mating ===

Until at least 2000, interspecies relationships, both romantic and parental, were common on The Lion King MUCK. Since at least 1998, the policy statement was that "the administration STRONGLY ADVISES AGAINST interspecies mating" and "NO offspring may happen of such union".<ref name="1998rules"/> The rules as revised in February 2002 have no mention of interspecies relationships; nor does the August 2006 revision.

=== TS ===

Since at least 1998, explicit sexual roleplay ([[TS]]) has been allowed on The Lion King MUCK. The rules as revised in July 1998 stated that "The policy regarding TS is to restrict it to PRIVATE areas", that the activity not involve incest, pedophilia, or rape, and that a player involved not be a minor.<ref name="1998rules"/> According to the 2002 revision of the rules, "There are only two issues with this. It must be done in PRIVATE rooms, and it CANNOT be with a minor."<ref name="2002rules">[http://web.archive.org/web/20021208172118/http://tlkmuck.org/rules.html Rules, Policies and Regulations v3.0]. February 23, 2002 revision. (Copy on The Lion King MUCK website, stored at the Internet Archive.)</ref>

In August 2006, the rules were changed to include the statement that "sexually explicit content and activities have no appropriate location within our system.".<ref name="2006rules">[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=170 TLKMuck Rules v4.5] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted August 31, 2006 by [[Ketekh]].</ref> Two new MUCKs, [[Otherlands]] and [[Romance in the Savannah]], opened in the wake of this decision; both allow explicit sexual roleplay and the latter has the motto Adult Friendly African RP.

== Server and website ==

The Lion King MUCK's server address, previously tlk.otterspace.com, changed to tlk.muck.limitless.org in March 1999.

The Lion King MUCK's website used to be located at http://www.thumper.net/tlkmuck/. In 2002 the website was redesigned by [[Nalina]] and at a new address, tlkmuck.org.

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.disney/msg/3929abe4d7c4a459?dmode=source&hl=en TLKMuck GRAND OPENING] - June 1995 posting by Jodhua C. Templin to rec.arts.disney
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/lionking.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Lion King MUCK]
* [http://www.fevra.furtopia.org/Nalias/ The List of Nalia's Family]

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[[Category:1995 births|Lion King MUCK, The]]

Shahila

2007-01-18T14:58:20Z

Maiza: Reverting edit. May be intentional in this format.

Shahila is a member of [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]] and the player of characters on a number of [[MUCK]]s, including [[Demi Haze MUCK]], [[GotS MUCK]], [[African Legends]], [[African Tails MUCK]], and [[Sunrise MUCK]].

== External links ==

* [http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Shahila/ The Lion King Fan-Art Archive - Shahila]
* [http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Shahila Shahila - Original Characters]
* [http://www.geocities.com/snow_lioness_shahila/AboutMe.htm Crystallus Heaven - About Me]

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Shahila

2007-01-18T14:57:34Z

Maiza:

{stub}

Shahila is a member of [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]] and the player of characters on a number of [[MUCK]]s, including [[Demi Haze MUCK]], [[GotS MUCK]], [[African Legends]], [[African Tails MUCK]], and [[Sunrise MUCK]].

== External links ==

* [http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Shahila/ The Lion King Fan-Art Archive - Shahila]
* [http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Shahila Shahila - Original Characters]
* [http://www.geocities.com/snow_lioness_shahila/AboutMe.htm Crystallus Heaven - About Me]

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Maiza

2007-01-17T03:49:37Z

Maiza:

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Male Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Lioness, Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - Lioness
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf
[[The Lion King MUCK]]
*Aurora - Lioness

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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The Lion King MUCK

2007-01-17T03:48:55Z

Maiza: /* Present characters */

<pre class="MU-logo">
___ _ _ ___
' | ` |__| |__`
oooo | | | |__, .ooooo. o
88 ---------------------------------------------------- o8" `"o8
88 ooo oo888oo ooo ooo ooo oo ooo ooo ooo d8' "
88 8 ,8' `8. 8"8 8 8 o8' 8 8"8 8 d8
88 8 88 88 8 8 8 8o' 8 8 8 8 88 oooo
88 8 88 88 8 8 8 88o 8 8 8 8 88 di
88 ,o 8 `8. ,8' 8 8.8 8 `8. 8 8 8.8 `88. ,8i
o88ooooo'o8o `"ooooo"' o8o o8o o8o `8o o8o o8oo o8 (c)"88oood'
</pre>

'''The Lion King MUCK''' is a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] based on the [[The Lion King|movie]], as well as on African wildlife more generally.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://muck.tlkmuck.org:7675/ muck.tlkmuck.org, port 7675]
** '''Website''': http://www.tlkmuck.org/
** '''[[LiveJournal]]''': http://community.livejournal.com/tlkmuck/
* '''Ran from/to''': June 1995 - present

The Lion King Muck was founded by [[Joshua C. Templin]], and originally was based on his fan fiction ''[[The Tales of Tanabi]]''. The storyline has shifted a number of times in the years since, with more than one reset of the Feature Characters from the movie.

This textual roleplaying environment has rather a high population of [[lion]]s (as might be expected) including three official Kings and Prides. [[Leopard]]s (as well as their melanistic individuals, listed as [[panther]]s) are also common, as are [[cheetah]]s, [[hyena]]s, and other African species.

== Wizard and staff positions ==

In December 1998, a new position was added, that of Mage. These players had a [[Wizard]] bit but no administrative access to the MUCK account; they were intended primarily to handle character management.

== Wizards ==

=== Current wizards ===
* [[Ketekh]] - Head Wizard / Player Relations
* [[Danur]] - Coding
* [[Jioni]] - Helpstaff Manager/Building
* [[Tego]] - RP Matters/Chars/Prides/TPs/Building

=== Past wizards ===
* [[Aleinu]]
* Bagheera
* [[Dorra]]
* [[Elzi]]
* [[Fundi]]
* Ifile
* [[Janjamoja]] (Added as a mage on December 10, 1998)
* Karani (February 2002 - February 2005)
* Lea
* [[Logozo]]
* [[Mbokala]]
* Mng'ariza
* Msaka
* [[Senajit]] (Added as a mage on December 10, 1998)
* [[Shenryyr]] - Security / Programming (? - November 2006)
* [[Werevu]]
* [[Wesha]]

=== Founding wizards ===
* Kisasian (Joshua C. Templin)
* Simba ([[Brian Tiemann]])
* Pumbaa - MUCK Programming Expert
* Lebo - MUCK Building Expert
* Timon - Guest Character Manager

== Staff ==

=== [[Helpstaff]] ===

* [[Balana]] - [[MPI]]/Building/Newbies/Guests/RP/PR
* [[Haiba]] - RP~Newbies~Building~Ask Anything
* [[Jabari]] - MPI, Newbi Help, Building, all around craziness!
* [[Jihani]] - RP/Guests/Newbie/Some building/Just ask!
* [[Kucha]] - General-Building-Rp-TP's-Newbie
* [[Mzohari]] - RP | Building | TPs | MPI | Ask Away!
* [[Tamba]] - Guests/Newbies/RP/TPs (from November? 2006)

==== Past helpstaff ====

* [[Arianna]] - General/Building/RP/[[MPI]]/little [[MUF]]/Fast food
* [[Furahi]] - MUF/Newbies/Building/DidImentionMUF?/some MPI
* [[Jamango]] - Anything. (If I'm not idle.)
* [[Kenket]] - Obscure Species Promotion
* [[Kimya]] - Anything but MUF&MPI - Videogaming help! :D
* [[Kivuli'Nyamaa]] - Roleplay | Feline Species Expert | Muck commands
* [[Mondini]] - General-Building-Rp-TP's-Newbie
* [[Muthumaji]] - LSEdit - Newbies - RP - Mangoes - Cuddly things
* [[Tailen]] - Mewse of MPI/MUF/Anything/Master of Distortions

===== RP Staff =====
(September? 2006 - November? 2006)
* [[Gesten]]
* [[Hakika]] - RP Conflicts, Newbies, Anything RP!
* [[Jammet]]
* [[Ras]]

== [[Character]]s ==

=== Present characters ===
* Adaora - Lioness
* Aurora - Lioness
* Adhimisha - Lion
* [[Amili]] - Male Ethiopian Wolf
* [http://www.lionking.org/~kimya/aida1.htm Aida] - Meerkat
* [[Balana]] - Lioness
* Ghedi - Lion
* [[Jabula]] - Leopard
* Jammet - Male leopard Cub
* Jaira - Lioness
* [[Karamu]] - Male [[meerkat]]
* Karove - Male hyena
* [http://www.lionking.org/~kimya/tlk1.htm Kimya] - Female Meerkat
* Kizingo - Lion
* Kyoko - Lioness
* [[Msondo]] - Male meerkat
* Mtukutu - Lion King
* [[Mtunga]] - Lion King
* Mzohari - Lion
* [[Nabana]] - Lion
* Nekthi - Female adol. raven
* Raha - Lioness
* [http://rabbitsuicide.furrynet.com/Rhogali.html Rhogali] - Lion
* Siombe - Lion
* Sirima - Lioness
* Sumi - Lion
* Swadul - Lion
* Tahzhoo - Lion King
* Tenagra - Male mandrill
* Upepo - Female cheetah
* Zaghawa - Female Ethiopian Wolf

=== Past characters ===
* [[Atayah]] - Lioness
* [[Akili]] - Lion (deceased)
* [http://www.fevra.furtopia.org/Characters/Chanika.html Chanika] - Juvenile Lioness
* [[Iggan]] - Lion
* [[Jani'Uziwa]] - Lioness<ref name="kristino">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Kristin_O Kristin O.'s Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved July 26, 2006.</ref>
* [[Kaja]] - Male hyena
* [[Maelia]] - Lioness (deceased)
* [[Mohatu]] - Lion
* [[Nalia]] - Lioness
* [[Nalina]] - Lioness
* [[N'diyani]] - Female Leopard<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Nyanya]] - Lion (deceased)
* [[Pelligri]] - Male panther
* Raiden - White lion<ref name="utendi">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Utendi Utendi's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved July 27, 2006.</ref>
* [[Reznor]] - Hyena
* [[Siyahamba]] - Leopard
* [[Tarlia]] - Lioness<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Tia]] - Lioness (deceased)
* [[Wabi]] - Lion<ref name="kristino"/>
* [[Wembly]] - Male panther cub

== Social groups ==

There have been a great many [[In Character]] social groupings on The Lion King MUCK, which have formed, faded, and/or been revived over the years. The most prominent of these have been the prides. There are officially three prides as of December 2006:
* [[Natamba]], led by Tahzhoo, living in the Uzima Valley
* Tsavo-Prideland, led by Mtukutu with his queen Hamaki, living in the Pridelands
* [[Utatu]], led by Mtunga, living in the Utatu lands

There are also two unofficial pridal groupings:

* [[Kopje Valley Pride]], led by Siombe and Balana, living in the Kopje Valley
* Life Valley Pride, led by Isago and Kimia, living in Life Valley

In addition, there have been groups particular to other species, or formed of more than one species. (Prides may have non-lion allies or members as well.) These include:
* The [[Shekwon pack]] of Ethiopian wolves

Some of the past prides were:
* The [[Zari Bara Pride]], a precursor to the Natamba
* The Celestial Volcano Pride
* A number of incarnations of the Pride Rock Pride

Other past groups include:
* The [[Bloodclaw]]
* The Damuamwa hyena clan, led by matriarch K'jasria and her mate Kesh'ra
* The [[Kaare]]
* The Sumu hyena clan, led by matriarch [[Spaz Kitty|Inda]]
* The Kisasa hyena clan, led by matriarch Kora'no

== See also ==
* [[:Category:The Lion King MUCK social groups|The Lion King MUCK social groups]]

== Rules ==

=== Guest characters ===

From 1995, The Lion King MUCK had a system of guest characters; these characters could become permanent, without the g. in front of the name, after a week.<ref name="1995info">[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.disney.announce/msg/f0b26ff828723158?dmode=source TLKMuck Info and FAQ]. October 16, 1995 post to rec.arts.disney.announce by [[Joshua C. Templin]].</ref> By December 1996, guest characters were still described in the rules and policies, but were no longer being created; new characters were created without the g.

=== Adult Male Lions ===

The rule as stated in the July 1998 revision of the rules and policies was that, discounting [[feature character]]s, "there is a limit of ONE(1) AML per player at any given time."<ref name="1998rules">[http://www.limitless.org/~dsauve/maps/tlkrlz14.txt The Lion King MUCK Policies and Regulations v1.4]. July 16, 1998 revision. Retrieved November 4, 2006.</ref> Similarly, the rules as of February 2002 stated "we will only be allowing ONE male lion per player."<ref name="2002rules">[http://web.archive.org/web/20021208172118/http://tlkmuck.org/rules.html Rules, Policies and Regulations v3.0]. February 23, 2002 revision. (Copy on The Lion King MUCK website, stored at the Internet Archive.)</ref>

In October 2005, the rules were relaxed to allow each player to have up to two male Lion characters.<ref>[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=106 Male Lion Limit Raised] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted October 23, 2005 by [[Ketekh]].</ref>

=== Healers ===

Since at least 1998, the rule has been that only Meerkats, and primates, ''i.e.'' animals considered to have opposable thumbs, can be healers.<ref name="1998rules"/> At least one other MUCK, [[Endless Round]] which opened in 2005, advertised a policy of not restricting healer characters in such a way.

The rules as revised in August 2006 state that "Players are welcome to roleplay healer characters if they wish, however if a task requires opposable thumbs, then your character must have opposable thumbs."<ref name="2006rules">[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=170 TLKMuck Rules v4.5] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted August 31, 2006 by [[Ketekh]].</ref>

=== Interspecies mating ===

Until at least 2000, interspecies relationships, both romantic and parental, were common on The Lion King MUCK. Since at least 1998, the policy statement was that "the administration STRONGLY ADVISES AGAINST interspecies mating" and "NO offspring may happen of such union".<ref name="1998rules"/> The rules as revised in February 2002 have no mention of interspecies relationships; nor does the August 2006 revision.

=== TS ===

Since at least 1998, explicit sexual roleplay ([[TS]]) has been allowed on The Lion King MUCK. The rules as revised in July 1998 stated that "The policy regarding TS is to restrict it to PRIVATE areas", that the activity not involve incest, pedophilia, or rape, and that a player involved not be a minor.<ref name="1998rules"/> According to the 2002 revision of the rules, "There are only two issues with this. It must be done in PRIVATE rooms, and it CANNOT be with a minor."<ref name="2002rules">[http://web.archive.org/web/20021208172118/http://tlkmuck.org/rules.html Rules, Policies and Regulations v3.0]. February 23, 2002 revision. (Copy on The Lion King MUCK website, stored at the Internet Archive.)</ref>

In August 2006, the rules were changed to include the statement that "sexually explicit content and activities have no appropriate location within our system.".<ref name="2006rules">[http://www.tlkmuck.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=170 TLKMuck Rules v4.5] forum post on tlkmuck.org. Posted August 31, 2006 by [[Ketekh]].</ref> Two new MUCKs, [[Otherlands]] and [[Romance in the Savannah]], opened in the wake of this decision; both allow explicit sexual roleplay and the latter has the motto Adult Friendly African RP.

== Server and website ==

The Lion King MUCK's server address, previously tlk.otterspace.com, changed to tlk.muck.limitless.org in March 1999.

The Lion King MUCK's website used to be located at http://www.thumper.net/tlkmuck/. In 2002 the website was redesigned by [[Nalina]] and at a new address, tlkmuck.org.

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.disney/msg/3929abe4d7c4a459?dmode=source&hl=en TLKMuck GRAND OPENING] - June 1995 posting by Jodhua C. Templin to rec.arts.disney
* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/lionking.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Lion King MUCK]
* [http://www.fevra.furtopia.org/Nalias/ The List of Nalia's Family]

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Maiza

2007-01-15T13:06:11Z

Maiza: /* Current MUCK Characters */

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Male Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Lioness, Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - Lioness
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

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Maiza

2007-01-15T10:25:22Z

Maiza: Active Character Update. Minor revisions.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Male Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne, Lioness
*Kasia - Lioness
*Eos - Adolescent Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - Male Wolf (OOC Avatar)
*Kasia - Female Adolescent Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-11T14:22:57Z

Maiza:

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Friti - OOC Nexus Avatar
*Kasia - Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-10T05:50:52Z

Maiza: /* Historical Overview */

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-10T05:50:32Z

Maiza:

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails]] MUCK (Which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-10T05:50:11Z

Maiza: Historical correction. AT became SR in '03.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[African Tails] MUCK (Which later became [[SunRise]] MUCK), prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-09T14:09:24Z

Maiza: More history content editing.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[SunRise]] MUCK, prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi, he served with little distinction while alive, though his player's other characters were more memorable. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-09T14:04:31Z

Maiza: History edit. Still editing - possible compelte rewrite in the works. Best not to write these when sleep deprived.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[SunRise]] MUCK, prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi of [[SunRise]], he served with little distinction while alive, though other notable characters were well received on the MUCK. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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User:Maiza

2007-01-09T13:49:18Z

Maiza:

Maiza

2007-01-09T12:33:36Z

Maiza: History revision.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[SunRise]] MUCK, prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi of [[SunRise]], he served with little distinction while alive. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05 due to school, work and other related real life events.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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Maiza

2007-01-09T12:31:13Z

Maiza: Links in History fixed.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[SunRise]] MUCK, prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi of [[SunRise]], he served with little distinction while alive. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

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[[Category:Florida]]
[[Category:1984 births]]

File:MaizaDAva150.gif

2007-01-09T12:30:09Z

Maiza: /* Summary */

== Summary ==
Maiza Avatar created by Shahila. Cropped and resized to 150x150 pixels in a .gif format.

== Licensing ==
{{fursona}}

Maiza

2007-01-09T12:29:15Z

Maiza: Further cleanup based on recomendations. More to come.

{{Cleanup}}
[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from [[Sunrise Muck]]. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

'''Maiza''' ([[RL]] name Nathan) was born on May 29, 1984. As of 2007, he is located at the Naval Air Technical Training Centre in Pensacola, Florida, U.S.A.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

The origin of the character name is a [[Swahili]] word for mark of distinction, honor, or respect.

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Historical Overview==

Maiza first appeared as a character on the 'Net in early '99 on [[Sunrise]] MUCK, prior to that he only existed in his creator's short stories - most of which remain unpublished. As a Lion, son of Sodawi of [[Sunrise]], he served with little distinction while alive. However during and after the character's passing Maiza served on the Help Staff of the MUCK until his player retired from active Administration across several MUCKs in early '05.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat. Artwork by [[Shahila]], 2005.]]

Subsequent to that, Maiza, as a Marbled Cat, is used as his creator's primary avatar and online alias.

{{Contributor}}

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Wizards]]
[[Category:Feline characters]]
[[Category:Virginia]]
[[Category:Florida]]
[[Category:1984 births]]

Sunrise MUCK

2007-01-09T06:56:39Z

Maiza:

<pre class="MU-logo">
===========================================================================
____......____ __.............
_..-'' ^-.._ .::::;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
.......__ '--._ '-. ``'';;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;... .--' _--'
::::::::::'^^ .-' ''-._
'' .' `:.
''--._ `.
__..--'' ..-''
.' -'_____
.' ':
===========================================================================
_ ____ __ __ __ __ ____ ___ ____ _____ _
/ \ / __/ / / / / / |/ / / o ) / / / __/ / ___/ / \
< * > _\_ \ / /_/ / / /| / / < / / _\_ \ / __/ < * >
\_/ /____/ /_____/ /_/ |_/ /__/\__\ /__/ /____/ /____/ \_/
__ __ __ __ _____ __ __
/ \/ \ | | | | / ___) | |/ /
/ \ | \__/ | | (___ | <
/__/\__/\__\ \______/ \_____) |__|\__\
</pre>
'''Sunrise MUCK''' is a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] that is loosely based on the ''[[The Lion King]]''.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://dovienya.net:1994/ dovienya.net, port 1994] (Temporarily Offline.)
** '''Website''': http://www.ambientsky.net/sunrise/
* '''Forum''': http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi
* '''Ran from/to''': June 2003<ref>[http://www.mudconnect.com/mud-bin/simple_search.cgi?Mode=MUD&mud=Sunrise+MUCK Sunrise MUCK] at the Mud Connector. Last updated September 8, 2003. Retrieved July 20, 2006.</ref> - present

== Connections with other MUCKs ==

Many of the [[Lion]] characters and history on Sunrise MUCK continue from happenings on the defunct [[African Tails MUCK]].

Originally Sunrise MUCK had no canon characters from ''The Lion King''. Around May 2006 many [[Feature Character]]s were allowed to transfer from [[Endless Round MUCK]] following some issues with their portrayal there. They are treated as regular characters on Sunrise MUCK.

== Current Status ==

Temporarily Offline due to server hardware failure. Recovery efforts are in progress - check back often on forums for updates.

== Staff ==

=== [[Wizard]]s ===

* [[Shahila|Yllan]] - Head Wizard
* [[Subiani]] - |Co-Head Wiz|Boost|SRI|FMIC|
* [[Tilyn]] - *Cap'nTilyn!*DescHelp*TP's*Ask!:D
* [[AudreyPuppy|Anubis]] - Anything but [[MUF]]/[[MPI]]

=== [[Helpstaff]] ===

* [[Afya]] - Head Staffer
* [[Phrixus]] - Web Master
* [[Potea]] - Newbies
* [[Tajiri]] - Building/Species/ANSI/Help!

=== Previous Staff Members ===

* [[Maiza]]

== [[Character]]s ==

* Aitan - Adolescent White Lion (Heir of Tyne)
* Anubis - Elder Lion (Retired king of Kimondo)
* Dajan - Adolescent Lion
* Fayola - Elder Lioness
* Khamisa - Lioness
* Kiet - White Lion (King of Kivuli)
* Maiza - Lion
* Seth - Lion
* [[Shahila]] - White Lioness
* [[Tad Cooga|Sharvi]] - Lion
* Suki - Lioness
* Sumu - [[Hyena]]
* Xian - Elder [[Barbary Lion]]
* Yllan- Leopardess
* Yvonne - Lioness (Retired queen of Tyne)

== Prides ==

=== Current prides ===
* '''Kivuli''' - King Kiet and Queen Saibh, with Heir Mizuka.
:Kivuli is the oldest pride on the MUCK and was founded by [[Kristin O.|Ewali]].
:Generation 1 - King Ewali and Queen Nakita. Heiress Samawati.
:Generation 2 - King Mguuyasiku and Queen Samawati. Heir Sodawi.
:Generation 3 - King Sodawi and Queen Salinaka. Heiress Lyraiki.
:Generation 4 - King Cairo and Queen Feleti. Heir Xian. (Lyraiki vanished, so rule went to Ewali's granddaughter, Feleti)
:Generation 5 - King Xian and Queen Nyesha. Heir Malik/Heiress Saibh. (Malik tried to take over Kivuli early, eventually died. Rule went to Xian's daughter, Saibh, whose mother was Kieleaji)
:Generation 6 - King Kiet and Queen Saibh. Heir Mizuka.
* '''Mbaamwezi''' - Queen [[Spaz Kitty|Zira]], with Heir Kovu
:Generation 1 - King Onyataa and Queen Tona.
:Generation 2 - King Mviko.
:Beginning with Queen Zira, the Mbaamwezi is a reformed pride sharing no blood relation to the previous rulers.
* '''Pridelands''' (formerly the Forgotten Lands) - King Mufasa and Queen Sarabi, with Heir Simba
* '''Tyne''' - King Fuadi and Queen Tisea, with Heir Aitan.
:Tyne shares blood relations with Kivuli, as Ewali's grandson, Kiapo, founded Tyne (originally known as Tufani).
:Generation 1 - King Kiapo and Queen Tisea (I). Heir Kausha/Heiress Kasama.
:Generation 2 - King Binstari and Queen Kasama. Heir Makonnen.
:Generation 3 - King Makonnen and Queen Yvonne. Heiress Tisea (II).
:Generation 4 - King Fuadi and Queen Tisea (II). Heir Aitan.

=== Past prides ===
* '''Kimondo'''
:Generation 1 - King Tau and Queen Kaia/Queen Kodolea.
:Generation 2 - King Mauja and Queen Tafrija.
:Generation 3 - King Nishati and Queen Shahila (I)/Queen Jasira. Heiress Sakitu.
:Generation 4 - King Anubis and Queen Sakitu. Heir Sasa/Heir Demissle.
:Generation 5 - King Demissle and Queen Neyadhi. Heir Kengee.
:Demissle and sister, Mai, killed in attack by Kwasi Pride. Kimondo survivors flee to Kivuli for sanctuary, Kimondo Pride disbanded.
* '''Kwasi''' - King Sethos.

== Current groups ==
* '''Amara''' [[African Wild Dog|Wild Dog]] Pack - Alphas Zeeko and Nyota. Founded by Aon and Mkaragazo.
* '''Jahanum''' [[Hyena]] Clan - Matriarch Shenzi and Patriarch Mahoka
* '''Noctistello''' Clan - Priestess Velaera and Grand Vizier Iztal

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category:The Lion King multiplayer worlds]]
[[Category:2003 births]]

Sunrise MUCK

2007-01-09T06:55:03Z

Maiza:

<pre class="MU-logo">
===========================================================================
____......____ __.............
_..-'' ^-.._ .::::;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
.......__ '--._ '-. ``'';;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;... .--' _--'
::::::::::'^^ .-' ''-._
'' .' `:.
''--._ `.
__..--'' ..-''
.' -'_____
.' ':
===========================================================================
_ ____ __ __ __ __ ____ ___ ____ _____ _
/ \ / __/ / / / / / |/ / / o ) / / / __/ / ___/ / \
< * > _\_ \ / /_/ / / /| / / < / / _\_ \ / __/ < * >
\_/ /____/ /_____/ /_/ |_/ /__/\__\ /__/ /____/ /____/ \_/
__ __ __ __ _____ __ __
/ \/ \ | | | | / ___) | |/ /
/ \ | \__/ | | (___ | <
/__/\__/\__\ \______/ \_____) |__|\__\
</pre>
'''Sunrise MUCK''' is a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] that is loosely based on the ''[[The Lion King]]''.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': [telnet://dovienya.net:1994/ dovienya.net, port 1994] (Temporarily Offline.)
** '''Website''': http://www.ambientsky.net/sunrise/
* '''Forum''': http://sunrisemuck.proboards28.com/index.cgi
* '''Ran from/to''': June 2003<ref>[http://www.mudconnect.com/mud-bin/simple_search.cgi?Mode=MUD&mud=Sunrise+MUCK Sunrise MUCK] at the Mud Connector. Last updated September 8, 2003. Retrieved July 20, 2006.</ref> - present

== Connections with other MUCKs ==

Many of the [[Lion]] characters and history on Sunrise MUCK continue from happenings on the defunct [[African Tails MUCK]].

Originally Sunrise MUCK had no canon characters from ''The Lion King''. Around May 2006 many [[Feature Character]]s were allowed to transfer from [[Endless Round MUCK]] following some issues with their portrayal there. They are treated as regular characters on Sunrise MUCK.

== Staff ==

=== [[Wizard]]s ===

* [[Shahila|Yllan]] - Head Wizard
* [[Subiani]] - |Co-Head Wiz|Boost|SRI|FMIC|
* [[Tilyn]] - *Cap'nTilyn!*DescHelp*TP's*Ask!:D
* [[AudreyPuppy|Anubis]] - Anything but [[MUF]]/[[MPI]]

=== [[Helpstaff]] ===

* [[Afya]] - Head Staffer
* [[Phrixus]] - Web Master
* [[Potea]] - Newbies
* [[Tajiri]] - Building/Species/ANSI/Help!

=== Previous Staff Members ===

* [[Maiza]]

== [[Character]]s ==

* Aitan - Adolescent White Lion (Heir of Tyne)
* Anubis - Elder Lion (Retired king of Kimondo)
* Dajan - Adolescent Lion
* Fayola - Elder Lioness
* Khamisa - Lioness
* Kiet - White Lion (King of Kivuli)
* Maiza - Lion
* Seth - Lion
* [[Shahila]] - White Lioness
* [[Tad Cooga|Sharvi]] - Lion
* Suki - Lioness
* Sumu - [[Hyena]]
* Xian - Elder [[Barbary Lion]]
* Yllan- Leopardess
* Yvonne - Lioness (Retired queen of Tyne)

== Prides ==

=== Current prides ===
* '''Kivuli''' - King Kiet and Queen Saibh, with Heir Mizuka.
:Kivuli is the oldest pride on the MUCK and was founded by [[Kristin O.|Ewali]].
:Generation 1 - King Ewali and Queen Nakita. Heiress Samawati.
:Generation 2 - King Mguuyasiku and Queen Samawati. Heir Sodawi.
:Generation 3 - King Sodawi and Queen Salinaka. Heiress Lyraiki.
:Generation 4 - King Cairo and Queen Feleti. Heir Xian. (Lyraiki vanished, so rule went to Ewali's granddaughter, Feleti)
:Generation 5 - King Xian and Queen Nyesha. Heir Malik/Heiress Saibh. (Malik tried to take over Kivuli early, eventually died. Rule went to Xian's daughter, Saibh, whose mother was Kieleaji)
:Generation 6 - King Kiet and Queen Saibh. Heir Mizuka.
* '''Mbaamwezi''' - Queen [[Spaz Kitty|Zira]], with Heir Kovu
:Generation 1 - King Onyataa and Queen Tona.
:Generation 2 - King Mviko.
:Beginning with Queen Zira, the Mbaamwezi is a reformed pride sharing no blood relation to the previous rulers.
* '''Pridelands''' (formerly the Forgotten Lands) - King Mufasa and Queen Sarabi, with Heir Simba
* '''Tyne''' - King Fuadi and Queen Tisea, with Heir Aitan.
:Tyne shares blood relations with Kivuli, as Ewali's grandson, Kiapo, founded Tyne (originally known as Tufani).
:Generation 1 - King Kiapo and Queen Tisea (I). Heir Kausha/Heiress Kasama.
:Generation 2 - King Binstari and Queen Kasama. Heir Makonnen.
:Generation 3 - King Makonnen and Queen Yvonne. Heiress Tisea (II).
:Generation 4 - King Fuadi and Queen Tisea (II). Heir Aitan.

=== Past prides ===
* '''Kimondo'''
:Generation 1 - King Tau and Queen Kaia/Queen Kodolea.
:Generation 2 - King Mauja and Queen Tafrija.
:Generation 3 - King Nishati and Queen Shahila (I)/Queen Jasira. Heiress Sakitu.
:Generation 4 - King Anubis and Queen Sakitu. Heir Sasa/Heir Demissle.
:Generation 5 - King Demissle and Queen Neyadhi. Heir Kengee.
:Demissle and sister, Mai, killed in attack by Kwasi Pride. Kimondo survivors flee to Kivuli for sanctuary, Kimondo Pride disbanded.
* '''Kwasi''' - King Sethos.

== Current groups ==
* '''Amara''' [[African Wild Dog|Wild Dog]] Pack - Alphas Zeeko and Nyota. Founded by Aon and Mkaragazo.
* '''Jahanum''' [[Hyena]] Clan - Matriarch Shenzi and Patriarch Mahoka
* '''Noctistello''' Clan - Priestess Velaera and Grand Vizier Iztal

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category:The Lion King multiplayer worlds]]
[[Category:2003 births]]

Demi Haze MUCK

2007-01-09T06:46:05Z

Maiza:

'''Demi Haze MUCK''' was a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] with an original theme and storyline incorporating warring factions - the Elbaji, Jerai, and Kyruk - and animals with elemental powers, sometimes related to [[Guardians of the Sirist]] MUCK.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': flamehouse.org, port 4554
** '''Website''': http://www.demihaze.com/ (Defunct.)
** '''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/demihaze/ (Still Active!)
* '''Ran from/to''': 2001 - June 2003

== [[Wizard]]s ==

* [[Safiya]] - Head wizard
* [[Kawny]]

== [[Helpstaff|Staff]] ==

* Aidan - Late night
* Akeli - Advertising and Player Relations
* Isaambart - Organizational
* Kaeo - Creative ideas
* Kahlua - Organizational
* Karna - Programming
* Kesh'ra
* Kez - Character Management
* Ryn - Building
* Senh'ai - Advertising and Player Relations
* Sennard - Programming
* Shahani - Late night
* [[Shahila]] - Character Management
* Shengoh - Building
* Starlyn - Character Management
* Ti'ana - Organizational
* Totkuk - Programming / Creative Ideas
* Uzika - Character Management
* Yawp - Late night

== [[Character]]s ==

* Aero
* Aimati
* Aimati
* Aiorrha
* Ariana - Albino [[Lion]]ess Cub<ref name="ice">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Ice Ice - Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Artemis - [[Arctic Wolf]] Pup<ref name="shahilaocs">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Shahila Shahila's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Asta'yl
* Athos (Leader of the Elbaji)
* Aya - Lioness
* Blooper - [[Snow Leopard]]ess<ref name="safiya">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Safiya__Blooper_Jessica Safiya | Blooper - Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Booga - Male [[Wolf]] (Dark)
* Bou
* Casey - Female [[Serval (species)|Serval]]<ref name="ice"/>
* Ceara - Female Arctic Wolf<ref name="safiya"/>
* Exile (Formerly Razor)
* Helios - Male [[Albino]] [[Jaguar]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Ice - Female Snow Leopard<ref name="ice"/>
* Ifetayo
* Isaambart
* Ivani
* Jigsaw
* Jimika
* Kaetien - White Tigress (Fire)
* Kai
* Ka'nhea - Male [[Cheetah]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Kingukera
* Kivitos
* Kiza - [[Barbary Lion]]ess<ref name="arazia">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Arazia Arazia's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved October 24, 2006.</ref>
* Lester
* Lex
* Lirpa - Male Wolf Pup
* Makayla - Snow Leopard/Cheetah [[hybrid]] (Daughter of Blooper and Ka'nhea)
* Marozi - Adolescent Spotted Lioness
* Mtaki
* Na-khuya
* Nian - Black Leopardess (Darkness)
* Nova - Female Cheetah<ref name="ice"/>
* Ombra
* Reeli - Snow Leopardess (daughter of Leila and Athos; heir to Elbaji)<ref name="shahilaocs"/>
* Ril
* [[Risasi]]
* Safiya - Lioness<ref name="safiya"/>
* Sakura
* Sauda
* [[Selene]] - [[Gray Fox|Grey Fox]]
* Senh'ai
* Shiro
* SilverSnow - Male Snow Leopard<ref name="ice"/>
* Starlyn
* Ti'ana
* Totkuk
* Tusti
* Uzika
* Viasa
* Vivo - Female Wolf (Earth)
* Wasp - Female [[Kakos]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Windstorm
* Yeho
* Zakario
* Zina - Spotted Lioness<ref name="ice"/>

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://web.archive.org/web/20020606053044/http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/demi-haze.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Demi Haze MUCK] at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (June 2002)
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20030211003927/http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/demi-haze.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Demi Haze MUCK] at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (February 2003)

[[Category:Multiplayer worlds]]
[[Category:2001 births]]
[[Category:2003 deaths]]

Risasi

2007-01-09T06:39:52Z

Maiza: Redirecting to Maiza

#REDIRECT [[Maiza]]

Guardians of the Sirist

2007-01-09T06:35:23Z

Maiza:

'''Guardians of the Sirist''' ('''GotS MUCK''') was a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] set in an original world where souls act as Guardians and many [[character]]s have magic powers, including that of changing form. All characters were elementals. Warring Factions included the Ana and others (those who followed the goddess Gaia versus those who followed nemesis), and a prophecy fortelling their apocalypse. A related storyline was that of [[Rebirth MUCK]].

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': max.drigon.com, port 4224 (Defunct)
** '''Website''': http://www.sirist.com/ (Formerly Defunct - now active again.)
* '''Ran from/to''': 1998 - 2003

== [[Wizard]]s ==

* [[Akeli]] - Head wizard

== [[Character]]s ==
[[Image:Samplegotsartwork.jpg|thumb|Artwork by [[Moon Wang]]/WhisperPntr, [[Frisket]], Akeli, [[Jennifer Brook]], [[Autumn Sunrise]], [[Shahila]], Etc.]]
* Aestus - Male [[Lynx]] - Dark Guardian of Water
* Aidan - Male [[Liger]] - Fire Guardian
* [[Akeli]] - Female [[Clouded Leopard]] - Water Legend/Guardian
* Arcadia - Female [[Ethiopian Wolf]] - Light Guardian
* Ayliaa - Female [[Snow Leopard]] - Princess
* Favilla - Female [[Fox]] - Dark Guardian of Fire
* Gaiden - Female Red [[Sabre-Tooth]] - Darkness Legend
* [[Gatoai]] - Female [[Serval (species)|Serval]] - Earth Legend
* Hope - White Tigress<ref>[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Shahila Shahila's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Ker - Female [[Mouse]] - Fire Legend
* Kiiro - Male [[Tiger]] - Fire Guardian
* [[Kotu]] - Male [[Snow Leopard]] - Light Legend/Guardian/Hero
* Lux - Female White [[Wolf]] - Dark Guardian of Light
* Miharu - Female White [[Lion]] - Timekeeper
* N'Daar - Male Snow Leopard - King
* Nox - Male Black Wolf - Dark Guardian of Darkness
* Tempest - Female Lion
* Tenki - Male Snow Leopard - Air Legend / General
* Sgail - Male Winged Liger - Destiny Timekeeper Legend
* Sitor - Male Black Tiger - Original Villian / Sin of Pride
* Syi - Female [[Fennec Fox]] - Oracle
* Syn - [[Lion]]-[[Cheetah]] Hybrid - Memory Timekeeper Legend
* [[Shahila]] - Female White Lion - Glacian Queen
* [[Regeane]] - Female Wolf - Light Guardian
* WindStorm - Male Winged Wolf - Air Guardian

=== References ===
<references/>

== Original cast of characters ==
* Ayliaa - Princess
* Gaia - Goddess NPC (sealed in a stone called the Sirist/tree)
* Kotu - Light Legend / Hero
* N'Daar - King
* Sitor - Original Villian King

=== Guardians ===
When the MUCK began in 1998 the guardians were different. Through the ages these guardians aged and/or died and were replaced with the guardians above. Some of the guardians had several replacements.

* Ahlao - Male [[Eagle]] (played by [[Evrae]]) - Time Guardian
* Kiiro - Male [[Tiger]] (played by [[Regeane]]) - Fire Guardian
* Najaa - Female [[White Tiger]] (played by [[Akeli]]) - Water Guardian
* Seera - Female [[Puma]] (played by [[Kawny]]) - Air Guardian
* Whisper - Female [[Wolf]] or [[Snow Leopard]] (played by [[Frisket]]) - Earth Guardian

== External links ==

* [http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Akeli/?++A++ The Lion King Fan-Art Archive - Akeli]
* [http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Ignus/Finished%20Images/index01-by-date.html Ignus - Finished Images] of a number of GotS characters
* [http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/Nalina/?++++1+553 Nalina - GotS MUCK Pictures]

[[Category:Multiplayer worlds]]
[[Category:1998 births]]
[[Category:2003 deaths]]

User:Maiza

2007-01-09T00:59:54Z

Maiza: Redirecting to Maiza

#REDIRECT [[Maiza]]

User:Maiza

2007-01-09T00:59:32Z

Maiza: Redirecting to MAIZA

#REDIRECT [[MAIZA]]

Maiza

2007-01-09T00:58:52Z

Maiza:

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Status:''' Single - Happily so.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani
*[[Ewali]]

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist [[Shahila]] whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him -- That is, when he isn't off serving King and Country on Uncle Sam's Whim(TM). God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

{{person-stub}}

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Wizards]]
[[Category:Virginia]]
[[Category:Flordia]]
[[Category:1984 births]]
[[Category:Marbled Cat Characters]]
[[Category:Muck Administrators]]

User:Maiza

2007-01-09T00:52:39Z

Maiza:

User:Maiza

2007-01-08T21:30:23Z

Maiza: /* Known Associates */

User:Maiza

2007-01-08T03:50:49Z

Maiza: /* Historical Overview */

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Status:''' Single - Happily so.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist [[Shahila]] whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him -- That is, when he isn't off serving King and Country on Uncle Sam's Whim(TM). God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

User:Maiza

2007-01-08T03:46:11Z

Maiza: /* Historical Overview */

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Status:''' Single - Happily so.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist [[Shahila]] whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him -- That is, when he isn't off serving King and Country on Uncle Sam's Whim(TM) God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

User:Maiza

2007-01-08T03:36:25Z

Maiza:

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Status:''' Single - Happily so.

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist [[Shahila]] whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him. God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

User:Maiza

2007-01-07T10:23:45Z

Maiza: /* Historical Overview */

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist [[Shahila]] whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him. God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

User:Maiza

2007-01-07T10:12:22Z

Maiza: /* FAQ's */

[[Image:MaizaDAva150.gif|right|frame|Maiza the Lion from SunRise Muck depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]

==Profile==

'''Subject's Name:''' Maiza

'''RL Name:''' Nathan

'''Gender:''' Male

'''Date of Birth:''' 29 May 1984

'''Location:''' Pensacola, FL - Naval Air Technical Training Centre

'''Capacity:''' RP / TP / PR / MPI / Server Admin / Linux / Unix / Sys Admin / Plots / Enforcement / Building / Wiz / Staff / Journeyman Ascii Artist

NO MUF! REVERSE POLAR NOTATION IS EVIL!

'''Dates of Active Service:''' '96 - Present ('00 - Present, MUCKing)

'''Notes:'''
Just whom is Maiza? Is he Man, or is he Myth?

Truth of the matter, he's something of both and neither - a source of much confusion to himself as well as anymore, they are one in the same!

'''Origin of the character name Maiza:'''

Swahili:
Distinction (Mark of)
Honor (Mark of) <--- Preferred Translation
Respect (Mark of)

==Known Associates==
*[[Asrohc]]
*Potea
*Tilyn
*Nishati
*[[AudreyPuppy]]
*[[Shahila]]
*Afya
*Phrixus
*Subiani

==Current MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Maiza - Marbled Cat (OOC Avatar)
*Yvonne - Retired Queen of Tyne
*Kasia - As Herself
*Eos - Lioness
[[Kings and Vagabonds MUCK]]
*Eos - Lioness
[[Meadows MUCK]]
*Kasia II- Wolf

==Retired MUCK Characters==
[[SunRise]]
*Shumusi - Dark Lioness
*Kero - Lion Cub
*Kasia I - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Cape Lion
*Luuko - Lion Cub

[[Endless Round]]
*Eos

[[Verdant Reign]]
*Maiza

[[Rebirth]]
*Dakota
*Leon - Shimaya's familiar, Male Fishing Cat

[[African Tails]]
*Shumusi - Lioness Cub
*Kasia - Lioness Cub
*Maiza - Lion
*Jalidi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness

[[African Legends]]
*Shumusi - Lioness
*Nirra - Lioness
*Shades - Lion
*Nigala - Lioness

'''Maiza Muck | Mark of Honor Muck''' (defunct)
*Maiza - Umbreon
*Jalidi - Artic Arcanine

[[Pokemon Destiny]]
*Nirra

'''Pokemon Neo'''
*Jalidi

[[Pok%C3%A9mon_Saga_MUCK]]
*Jael (Ex-Wizzie)
*Shades
*Nirra - Growlithe/Arcanine; Daughter of Shadowfire
*Noel
*Kasia
*Corky
*Jalidi
*Shumusi
*Friti - Arctic Arcanine

[[Demi Haze]]
*Jalidi
*Risasi - Snow Leopard; Fire Alignment

'''Flip Side'''
*Jalidi
*Kero

'''101 Dalmations Muck'''
*Rocky
*Shades

==Historical Overview==

Suffice it to say, Maiza as a player has been around in one form or another across a variety of venues for a good number of years - since about the mid-90's where he first debuted as a character in a short story written out of boredom in his creator's math class... and ended up being not so short by the time the school year ended. An extended adventure involving magic, technology, science... and some good old-fashioned Mecha. (Maiza has always been a BIG MechWarrior fan!) However this incarnation of Maiza served only as a felenoid semi-furry character whom wasn't long in this world... and was quietly retired from service without fanfare by late '96. The aforementioned writings were also carefully shredded by a rather embarrassed High School student when discovered in the bottom of a box in his closet a few years later.

Maiza was reintroduced to the world in early '99 as a lion character on [[African Tails]], as a spawn of Sodawi... and served out his life on the muck with little distinction. During the character's life and well afterwards, the character Maiza served on the Help Staff of [[Sunrise_MUCK]], the direct successor muck to African Tails after it went defunct. There he served till early '05 wherein he promptly retired from staffing in order to focus on school and mucking.

[[Image:Maizamarbled.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Maiza the Marbled Cat, depicted by [[Shahila]], '05.]]
Subsequent to that, Maiza has been adopted as his creator's avatar and presently exists as a Marbled Cat - depicted to the left here by the lovely artist Yllan whose obvious talents she has oft denied. This is the most current and active incarnation of the Maiza line and is oft found causing mischief and wreaking havoc where ever the tides (Or [[Asrohc]]) take him. God help us all.

==FAQ's==
'''Q:''' What sorts of jobs have you done on mucks?

'''A:''' Name it, I've probably done it once. Wizzing, Staffing, Programming, Plotting, Building... you tend to dabble into all of it after being around for as long as I have. Even hosting mucks isn't terribly difficult as long as you have the know-how and drive to do it - though having the right equipment, ISP connection and resources helps!

'''Q:''' Can you Host / Wiz / help me build my muck?

'''A:''' Generally the answer is 'no'. I'm no longer usually looking for a wizard or admin position on mucks, and have quite happily retired most, if not all the existing positions I currently hold. Muck Administration is alot of work and I honestly am tired of it -- sometimes it's good to just be a player again.

'''Q:''' Are you Maiza from _________?

'''A:''' Although rare to hear this question, I'd probably have to answer 'no' to most forms of that inquiry. If it's not listed here, I'm not there.

'''Q:''' Do you play on other mucks/games or with other alts/alias'?

'''A:''' Of course, though they're few and far between. Again, if it's not listed here, it doesn't exist.

'''Q:''' You're old!

'''A:''' There a question there? So what?

'''Q:''' I have a question about MPI / character descs / linux / setting up a Muck / hardware / etc...

'''A:''' Unless I volunteer an answer, or you're willing to pay my hourly rate ($150/hr) - don't ask. I have enough on my plate regarding my own projects without having more shoved onto me.

'''Q:''' Why don't you like MUF?

'''A:''' It's like speaking English backward while gargling water... or speaking German (no offense intended) - the structure is quite a pain to wrap my aching head around. I mess with it when I have to, but I much prefer writing in C++, LUA or even MPI when I can... which is why I'm quite excited about the upcoming [[ngMUCK]] codebase! Hooyah LUA scripting!

'''Q:''' Journeyman Ascii Artist? What is that?

'''A:''' Long and short - the ability to make pictures in a text-based environment using only the character's on one's standard American QWERTY keyboard. It's harder than it looks. I choose the modest title of Journeyman as I'm no expert at it, but I tend to think I do well enough to do some semi-complex works. Just don't ask me to actually /sketch/ anything by hand! That's [[Shahila]]'s job! XD

'''Q:''' I think your Ascii works look dumb! You suck!

'''A:''' Glad you have an opinion. Everyone is a critic. Next!

'''Q:''' Someone told me you work for Geek Squad... is this true?

'''A:''' Not anymore. Uncle Sam owns me now. Hooyah Navy!

'''Q:''' Do you play WoW?

'''A:''' Of course - Nirra on Smoulderthorn, USA. Resto Druid Leetness FTW! FOR THE HORDE!

'''Q:''' Is there really a point to this FAQ?

'''A:''' Not really - it's 3am, and I'm finding creative ways to fight sleep deprivation.

'''Q:''' Oh. Can you create a border for my character?

'''A:''' No. This Q & A session is over.

Risasi

2007-01-07T06:39:36Z

Maiza: Redirecting to User:Maiza

#REDIRECT [[User:Maiza]]

Demi Haze MUCK

2007-01-07T06:39:10Z

Maiza: /* Characters */

'''Demi Haze MUCK''' was a [[role-playing]] [[MUCK]] with an original theme and storyline incorporating warring factions - the Elbaji, Jerai, and Kyruk - and animals with elemental powers, sometimes related to [[Guardians of the Sirist]] MUCK.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': flamehouse.org, port 4554
** '''Website''': http://www.demihaze.com/
** '''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/demihaze/
* '''Ran from/to''': 2001 - June 2003

== [[Wizard]]s ==

* [[Safiya]] - Head wizard
* [[Kawny]]

== [[Helpstaff|Staff]] ==

* Aidan - Late night
* Akeli - Advertising and Player Relations
* Isaambart - Organizational
* Kaeo - Creative ideas
* Kahlua - Organizational
* Karna - Programming
* Kesh'ra
* Kez - Character Management
* Ryn - Building
* Senh'ai - Advertising and Player Relations
* Sennard - Programming
* Shahani - Late night
* [[Shahila]] - Character Management
* Shengoh - Building
* Starlyn - Character Management
* Ti'ana - Organizational
* Totkuk - Programming / Creative Ideas
* Uzika - Character Management
* Yawp - Late night

== [[Character]]s ==

* Aero
* Aimati
* Aimati
* Aiorrha
* Ariana - Albino [[Lion]]ess Cub<ref name="ice">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Ice Ice - Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Artemis - [[Arctic Wolf]] Pup<ref name="shahilaocs">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Shahila Shahila's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Asta'yl
* Athos (Leader of the Elbaji)
* Aya - Lioness
* Blooper - [[Snow Leopard]]ess<ref name="safiya">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Safiya__Blooper_Jessica Safiya | Blooper - Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved December 9, 2006.</ref>
* Booga - Male [[Wolf]] (Dark)
* Bou
* Casey - Female [[Serval (species)|Serval]]<ref name="ice"/>
* Ceara - Female Arctic Wolf<ref name="safiya"/>
* Exile (Formerly Razor)
* Helios - Male [[Albino]] [[Jaguar]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Ice - Female Snow Leopard<ref name="ice"/>
* Ifetayo
* Isaambart
* Ivani
* Jigsaw
* Jimika
* Kaetien - White Tigress (Fire)
* Kai
* Ka'nhea - Male [[Cheetah]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Kingukera
* Kivitos
* Kiza - [[Barbary Lion]]ess<ref name="arazia">[http://fanart.lionking.org/showchars.cgi?Arazia Arazia's Original Characters] at fanart.lionking.org. Retrieved October 24, 2006.</ref>
* Lester
* Lex
* Lirpa - Male Wolf Pup
* Makayla - Snow Leopard/Cheetah [[hybrid]] (Daughter of Blooper and Ka'nhea)
* Marozi - Adolescent Spotted Lioness
* Mtaki
* Na-khuya
* Nian - Black Leopardess (Darkness)
* Nova - Female Cheetah<ref name="ice"/>
* Ombra
* Reeli - Snow Leopardess (daughter of Leila and Athos; heir to Elbaji)<ref name="shahilaocs"/>
* Ril
* [[Risasi]]
* Safiya - Lioness<ref name="safiya"/>
* Sakura
* Sauda
* [[Selene]] - [[Gray Fox|Grey Fox]]
* Senh'ai
* Shiro
* SilverSnow - Male Snow Leopard<ref name="ice"/>
* Starlyn
* Ti'ana
* Totkuk
* Tusti
* Uzika
* Viasa
* Vivo - Female Wolf (Earth)
* Wasp - Female [[Kakos]]<ref name="safiya"/>
* Windstorm
* Yeho
* Zakario
* Zina - Spotted Lioness<ref name="ice"/>

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://web.archive.org/web/20020606053044/http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/demi-haze.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Demi Haze MUCK] at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (June 2002)
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20030211003927/http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/demi-haze.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: Demi Haze MUCK] at the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (February 2003)

[[Category:Multiplayer worlds]]
[[Category:2001 births]]
[[Category:2003 deaths]]

User:Maiza

2007-01-07T05:59:10Z

Maiza: