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Talk:Popufur.com

2012-05-31T18:27:32Z

Loganberry: down for almost three months now - time to mention that?

The site is down since 5th March.
:Still down as I type, with nothing on the homepage but a message saying it will be back up "shortly". As it's almost three months now, I think it's getting towards the point where "shortly" starts to look rather silly. Does anyone have any more information? Even if the site "does a Yerf" I think it's fair enough to have the article here, but maybe some movement into the past tense would be appropriate. (Not if it ever does come back, obviously.) [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 14:27, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

Talk:WikiFur Furry Central

2009-10-19T20:10:47Z

Loganberry: /* "Upcoming events" and nationalities */ new section

I have protected [[WikiFur Central]], as it is clear that otherwise it's going to continue to get vandalised. You can still edit each section on this page, and I encourage you to do so (assuming you don't intend to vandalise it! :-). However, you must learn how to use templates, first. This will require reading through the [[Help:Contents|help]] and the guide linked from there. Consider this a small competence test before you can edit the first thing people see when they surf here! If you still can't figure it out and want something changed, let me know on user talk or externally, and I can see what I can do.

If you have an idea for a better layout of this page (one which ''cannot'' be easily changed through the templates), please construct it somewhere first, and then let myself or another [[Project:Administrators|administrator]] know. I'm sorry for the lack of flexibility here, but sometimes protection is a necessary evil.

Happy editing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 09:23, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Moving to WikiFur Furry Central ==

I've moved the main page because it turns out that not actually having "Furry" in the name of the main page is a signifcant downer in terms of search optimization strategies. Hopefully this should bring us a little more traffic. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 01:15, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Gotcha! ==

I logged on this morning and thought I was going to have to hunt down and revert a bunch of edits, before I remembered what day it was. Good one! --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

== Help us improve ==
I vote that the "Help us improve" bar be moved to the top of the right column; otherwise, I think it's not as easily seen when sandwiched between two larger articles. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:You're right - it's not as easily seen that way. However, I tried that to start with, and I thought that it spoiled the look somewhat when it is was put there, because the Did you know? section gets shifted down one (the uneven headers look bad).

:It does give me an idea, though. Originally, we had a "wanted pages" section below the new bar, and above. It got removed because stuff was staying on there too long and it was a pain to update. Still, it was in a good place for attention.

:How about we put all of the furpile articles into an expanded "To be improved" category (maybe just by asking people to write a very short stub of them and putting it in stubs), and then use the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList DynamicPageList extension] (already installed) and a [http://alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ modified list style] to display it in a similar way to the other lists? That way there's more chance that people will have something that they can improve on a given day, and articles get more than one chance at improvement. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:We might even be able to swing [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/DynamicPageList2 DynamicPageList2], which would remove the need for many of the hacks, allow us to include more categories and allow a better ordering for this particular use. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

::I considered suggesting that the wanted bar be replaced, heh. And with my OCD tendencies, I'd certainly offer to take updating the wanted bar as one of my "jobs". [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ideally, this would be something that was self-maintaining (like the newbar ''should'' be). If that doesn't work out then yes, someone updating it would work as well. I want to try and let people spend as much time on writing articles as possible, if possible. '''*grin*''' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== New layout? ==
I'm not a terribly big fan of the new layout...but I'm going to assume it's still under construction, seeing as how there are 3 columns on the left and only 1 on the right -- which I have now fixed. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 20:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I would rather have three on the left and both upcoming events and something else that works well in a small width on the right.

:Anything specifically that you don't like about it? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::The 3-1 column right now makes the page lopsided and too long, in my opinion (unless future featured articles/DYK? are going to have less content). I also don't like the shortened bars - with long titles like "Help us improve" and "New categories", you can really only see 2-4 items at the most. But if that's the only way to prevent problems on other browsers, I can deal. ;)
:: Also, should the "Admins - Help" part at the top be centered on the second line, or else the text made smaller so it all fits on one line? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 23:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I put a link to Community Central in the main header, and since the new/newcat bars are featured in full there, perhaps they should be removed from the front page? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 00:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks good, GR. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks. I would still like to get the new pages on there somehow. Do users click them, though? I would have thought so, but I don't know for sure . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

::Personally, I think it mostly served the purpose of showing "Hey, WikiFur's updating new articles all the time" rather than inducing people to click on them (unless they saw something they related to). Plus, most new pages are tagged as stubs, so they'll get picked up on the Furpile bar as well. I think it looks fine without the newbars on the main page. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 09:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

== Article of the ____ ==
Perhaps we should just have "Featured article" and "Featured comic", rather than specifying a time period? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed, so long as we don't update them regularly. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 05:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
::I think this just means that we (me? :-) shouldn't be so lazy in featuring stuff! The trouble is I get occupied with other tasks and never seem to get an uninterrupted block of time to choose and write up something. :-/ --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

== Protected talk page ==

Is there a reason this talk page is locked to "users with sysop privileges" only? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:I suspect it was to deal with a past spam or vandal problem. I've lowered it to "registered user" level. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

== Caching ==

Is anyone else finding the recent (July 31) vandalism on the front page coming up instead of the latest (reverted) version? I suspect I'm hitting a caching mechanism somewhere between here and Wikia, Inc. but I wanted to see if anyone else was experiencing this problem. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 21:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:If in doubt, go to [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central?action=purge this URL] to clear the cache. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alphabetically by *first* name rather than last? ==

People should only be listed according to their first name if they have no given surname. Basic encylopedia rules. And yet I see Fox McCloud under F, Bucky O'Hare under B, and so on and so forth. Any particular reason for this? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]

:That's their rules. That's not our rules. :-)

:Many people in the fandom are known under one name, or worse, might have a two-word name but only be commonly known under the firest, so people looking for the first name might not see them. There are few cases where people are better known by their second names - in the cases you gave, people know both their first and second names - so why order by them? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::Um, so, in other words, you're doing it for the benefit of people who don't know how to properly navigate an encyclopedia? - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]

:::Eh, my apologies if that sounded harsh. This is just a serious pet peeve of mine. - [[User:Kooshmeister|Kooshmeister]]

:::We're doing it for the benefit of users generally. As I see it, the main reason for sorting people by their last names in regular encyclopedias is that people are generally better-known by their last name, or their last name is important because grouping people by family is important (really two sides of the same coin - in both cases, the objective is easier searching or browsing by last name).

:::The furry fandom is a community where people tend to be better known to one another by their first names than their last (e.g. [[Deyna T. Otter]], [[Flinthoof Ponypal]], [[Kaijima A. Frostfang]] - and we also have a '''large''' proportion of people with just one name, or with an InterCapped name like my own). Our articles about people tend to be about these people (as opposed to "external" people, like [[memoryalpha:Talk:People|Star Trek]]). A sign of this is that we tend to refer to people by their first names throughout articles, even if they are "real" people (e.g. [[Mark Merlino]], [[Rod O'Riley]]). The number of people with the same last name is very small, and those that are related to one another will usually link to each other (and since wiki is not paper, you don't have to turn lots of pages to get there). Therefore, it seems better to consistently sort by their well-known first name rather than by a last name which they may or may not have, and which people may or may not know.

:::All other categories are sorted in this manner, so that means we have a self-consistent categorization system. It also happens to make the lives of editors easier, as they don't have to add reordering tags to 1500+ pages about people (and you know people would forget, or not know how to do it, resulting in pages that are ordered incorrectly).

:::The main place in which it seems sensible to reorder is when part of their "name" is an honorific, like [[Uncle Kage]] - people would probably expect to find him sorted under Kage rather than Uncle, especially since his "real" nickname is Kagemushi Goro. There are cases (usually with nicknames) in which this might not be the case, like [[Doctor Fennopolis]] or [[Lord Foxhole]]. Again, the ultimate criteria to make it easier to find people, which is the same reason we have the article name be the most common name (especially if people forget to add redirects from alternate names, as often happens).

:::Regarding your specific point: A '''lot''' of people don't know how to "properly" navigate an encyclopedia. Why should we make their lives harder for the sake of a convention that doesn't apply to our group? Being able to tweak the rules to suit our community is one of the benefits of having a separate wiki in the first place, after all. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Site display problems ==
It would appear that the new featured wikis strip on the right side of the page is messing up the layout. It's making the navigation strip appear a lot lower than the WikiFur logo, leaving about 400 pixels of space between them. This doesn't happen on all entries, just in some.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4934/wikifurb0rkenaf4.png (No ads, all blocked due to Adblock)

At first, I thought it was due to Adblock, but it seems to happen when it's deactivated as well.

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6786/wikifurb0rken2gd9.png (Adblock disabled)

Any clue if that can be fixed?--[[User:Kitsune Sniper|Kitsune Sniper]] 22:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

:We're discussing the problem on the #wikia IRC channel right now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

== Featured article length ==

I think the featured article and comic as displayed on [[WikiFur Furry Central]] should be shorter. On the displays I use (reasonaly large, with a browser window taking up a good portion of the screen) the featured comic is "below the fold" and easy to miss without scrolling. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

:Just raise your resolution. It's never been too far down for me. --[[User:Akir|Akir]] 23:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

::Some users are, alas, unable to do that. The situation is improving, but 800x600 users still make up 6.4% of our user base, and 47.4% use 1024x786. We need to consider how the site will look to them. The most obvious improvement would be to remove the "WikiFur Furry Central" at the top, or shift the content up to cover it, as [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia does]]. I will investigate that possibility. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Have tested, now waiting on a Wikia CSS fix so that the thing I want to do will work on IE7. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

::::End result - 3 more lines of content gained removing the header on the front page, so it moves up automatically. This will be possible to do with CSS in MediaWiki 1.9 - for now, it will only work for people with Javascript enabled. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

== It's all broken! ==

The featured article, featured comic and featured image sections are all not appearing correctly. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori Belliachi]] 00:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== 21st Century Fox was already featured. ==

Other than that, I before saw the page featuring FA's article. So, any idea what's going on with the main page? --[[User:Shadow Fox|Shadow Fox]]

:It was set back to this time last year because there were no conclusive decisions on front page content. If you are interested in what happens on the main page, I suggest contributing to [[WikiFur:Featured article candidates]], [[WikiFur:Comic of the Week]] and [[WikiFur:Featured picture candidates]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Laaaaag ==

Is it just me, or has all of WikiFur been unreasonably slow lately? I've noticed very slow load times for a few days now. [[User:Immelmann|Immelmann]] 18:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:There ''have'' been recent performance problems, some due to the [[Special:Version|move to Version 1.12alpha]], and some not. Wikia is working on improving this situation, but I'm afraid that due to the holidays it will probably not be completely solved until January. Should give you plenty of time to write some original content, though. ;-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Megaplex variety show ==

Megaplex has had a variety show since at least 2004 (MP3). The featured article seems to suggest otherwise. The whole ending part of the featured article text seems to have been added on (it is not from the original article) and I question its accuracy. [[User:Wag|Wag!]] 13:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== "Upcoming events" and nationalities ==

Approaching this issue with due apprehension, since it frequently causes huge arguments on Wikipedia... how come, in the "Upcoming events" section, RBW and ConFuzzled are given British flags, but ScotiaCon is given a Scottish one? For consistency's sake, either they should all be given UK flags (which would be my preference) or RBW and ConFuzzled should have English flags. Given that the UK includes Scotland, it's inconsistent to have it as it is at the moment. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 20:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:ConFuzzled 2009

2009-09-26T20:34:13Z

Loganberry: Please clarify "1/5/09"

== Please clarify "1/5/09" ==

Using this style of date is a Very Bad Idea, since it means 5 January in the US, but 1 May in most other countries. Could someone who knows please change it to the right date ''in words''? [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 20:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Commission

2009-05-30T01:36:08Z

Loganberry: /* Can we use a different first example artist? */ well, in theory...

== Can we use a different first example artist? ==

No problems with [[Wookiee]], who's mentioned second, but our first example of an artist who can command high prices is Herbie Hamill. Clicking on the wikilink takes you to [[Herbie Bearclaw]], whose article is blank by request and therefore not informative to the reader. It would be better to exchange Herbie's name in ''this'' article for someone who ''does'' have a Wikifur article about themselves. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 01:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

:So fix it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, yes, being bold and all that, I know... but my knowledge of this is pitiful: I really have no idea which artists can ask big money for a character sheet. I don't even know which top-rank artists ''do'' character sheets! So I was rather hoping someone less ignorant than me could do the honours. =:P [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 01:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Commission

2009-05-28T01:04:43Z

Loganberry: Can we use a different first example artist?

Talk:Yerf (art archive)

2009-04-28T19:14:05Z

Loganberry: /* The "Controversy" section */ done

{{featured}}
----
This is Rat, the Yerf guy.. I think I may have messed up the flow a bit, could I get help cleaning it up? Its like trying to represent a 3D thing on a 2D space. There's chronological, but also several threads of things are trying to be represented, the site's main history, as well as little offshoot things.

I read it closer, and it implied some things that weren't true. For example, when the change was made from SCFA to Yerf, that was only a name change, and some redesign of the layout. There was no relaunch as far as rules or anything else goes. It used to be at http://rat.org/yerf, and I wanted it to have its own domain so it could live on without me should the time came, and it did.

: This is doubtless my fault. I was trying to to piece it together from newsgroup posts and the quotes on the back of sugar packets, so I'm sure I got a few things mixed up. :-)

And the grandfathering issue was only due to how long the site had been around, and how inevitibly the rejected applicants would find worse art than their own to point at and ask why that is allowed on but theirs is not. I'm not even sure if the grandfathering thing is worth meantioning really.

: I think it should be there because of the way it constantly seemed to come up as an issue. It was the ''reason'' that there were artists there of the same relative quality as those who were later turned away - without it, Yerf just looks arbitrary.

My move to california from the east coast occured Sept 22, 1998, and Yerf was down for only a week. I pretty much drove to Tugrik's work from NH, in my compact car for 2500 miles with all my possessions. Somehow it survived. :)

: I can top that - I disassembled my computer completely, packed it in my suitcase, and flew 4000 miles from London to Detroit (in fact, more, because I stopped off in Atlanta). Who knows what they did to it in baggage handling, but it survived!

That whole episode had a sad ending, Tugrik made some promises that he didn't deliver on, or he didn't communiate his progress despite me asking, leaving me to believe he lost interest. So I asked for the site back so I could give it to Dingo, who had some great ideas and I believed would do great things. We parted company with him believing I intended to take it back the entire time and I was just using him for temporary hosting. We havent spoken since. So maybe we should downplay, but not remove that section out of respect for Tugrik. Or include it for history's sake, though it is more gossipy that historical. It would be like documenting president Hoover's wife was sleeping with the gardener or something (i just made that up, just an example), its kind of irrelevent. --[[User:Kilorat|Kilorat]]

: Misunderstandings happen. Hopefully WikiFur can be a way of sorting them out as much as anything, given the ability it has to attract all members of the community. I think all that really needs to be said is what actually happened. The reasons behind it . . . well, they're not that encyclopediac, but they're here if people want to find out. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 15:18, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)

---
No worries on my end. I knew I was a temporary host from the start, so returning it when asked was no big deal. Once Yerf moved on I concentrated more on the other sites I hosted, and I've kept up the various hosting projects to this day. They're a little bit bigger of an operation now, spanning three data centers, but they are still dedicated to providing free services to webcomics and artists who need a place. Hosting Yerf in the early days was a good nudge in the right direction for this kind of stuff, so I enjoyed my time helping you guys out.

Never did quite figure out why you guys chose to, as you put it, 'part company' from me and not talk since, or why you were so worried about the process of having it returned. I figure it was because I was just a sitehost and not really a hang-out-level of friend. Our crowds didn't really cross much, either. Because of this I felt your caution about things was understandable. At least I hope you felt I did my job honorably, and that any worries you had about it were proven to be misplaced.

I'm honestly surprised you guys mentioned me in there due to the short tenure, but I'm glad you did. Thanks for remembering!

--Tugrik
---
==AfD on Wikipedia==

The Yerf article on Wikipedia is presently up for deletion. Saving it requires the following:
*Be a Wikipedia editor with a significant number of edits. Unfortunately, edits from new users are discounted, so if you're not already a participant in Wikipedia, the best you can to is bring this up with friends who are.
*Make yourself familiar with all relevant policies for inclusion of material in Wikipedia. If you're arguing for the article to be kept, it has to be kept for a reason based on Wikipedia's rules.
*Visit Yerf's AfD page, while logged in as your Wikipedia user name, and place a vote stating "keep" (or "delete", if you don't think it should be there), with a short description of what rules justify your vote.

The following will be counterproductive, '''causing it to be deleted''':
*For the love of all that's holy, don't create an account just to vote on this AfD. That counts as stuffing the ballot via "sock-puppets" or "meat-puppets", and not only will these votes be discounted, but the credibility of lots of other votes will be threatened too. If you're not a long-time editor, find a friend who is, and inform them about the issue.

-Deuce (of FurryMUCK)

:Fortunately, I am a long-time Wikipedia editor. I'll see what I can do (which will probably involve improving the existing article). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

::I've already handled that. What mostly needs to happen to sway the balance of the votes is to find, and cite, print articles about the fandom that specifically refer to Yerf. An hour's searching online didn't yield much, mostly because it's hard to track down copies of the print articles online amidst false positives.

::A widely-distributed print article that spent a paragraph discussing furry art archives would likely be enough, but I don't recall any articles that devoted that much space. Multiple widely-distributed articles that give a one-line mention of it might be sufficient.

::-Deuce (of FurryMUCK)

== Heralded ==

"it been heralded as the best example of a feasible non-adult image board showcasing the best the fandom can produce and conceive." is vague and puffy. Better wording? Specifics? Reference? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 02:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

:...how about now?,... Other suggestions? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 05:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

== The "Controversy" section ==

There are no fewer than ''six'' "citation needed" tags in this one short section. This seems a bit much for a featured article! On top of this, at least one allegation there is a pretty serious one - enough so that if this were a UK site there'd be a possible case for a libel suit. At the ''very'' least, I'd have thought that that particular accusation ought to be properly referenced. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 19:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, since nothing has been done about this in nine months, I've removed the most serious personal allegation. It shouldn't go back without proof. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 19:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Yerf (art archive)

2009-04-28T19:13:31Z

Loganberry: /* Controversy */ removing personal allegation unreferenced for ages

__NOTOC__[[Image:Yerf.png|right|Yerf]]
'''Yerf''' was probably the [[furry fandom]]'s best known exclusively non-adult [[:Category:Art archives|art archive]]. Formerly known as the '''Squeeky Clean Furry Archive''', it presented itself as the [[Wikipedia:benchmarking|benchmark]] in its class for the last ten years, due in part to the rising skill level required for admission.

Lengthy server downtime over 2005-6 and competition from newer archives has resulted in loss of popularity among both viewers and [[artist]]s; it is yet to be seen whether or not this will be permanent. The site was the best place to find the early works of many well-known artists.

*'''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://yerf.com/
**'''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/yerf/
**'''[[Wikipedia:IRC|IRC]]''': [irc://irc.anthrochat.net/Yerf #Yerf] on [[Anthrochat]]
**'''Historical Archive''': http://yerf.artspots.com/ (Courtesy of [[ArtSpots]])
*'''Development''':
**'''Resources & Tools''': http://devel.yerf.com/scaa/
**'''Development news''': http://community.livejournal.com/yerfmonkeys/
*'''Administrators''': [[Scott Ruggels]], [[Dingofox]], [[Rat (person)|Rat]], [[Scotty Arsenault]], [[Jedd Marten]]
*'''Developers''': [[User:Locoindigo|Locoindigo]]
*'''Ran from/to''':
**'''Yerf I''' and '''Forums''': 1 April 1996 - 27 December 2004
**'''Forums''': 10 November 2005 - Present
**'''Yerf II''':
***20 January 2006 - July 2006
***October 16, 2006 - (mid-June 2007?)

== History ==
{{main|History of Yerf}}

== Art policy ==

{{rating-pg-button2}}

As indicated by the name, the SCFA was always distinguished by a strong [[PG]] focus. Around the time it was re-branded as Yerf, new policies were introduced concerning the ''quality'' of artwork. At first, a large proportion of artists might still have qualified to enter, but the bar has been raised over time to a point where even reasonably good artists might face several rejections before being allowed in, if they managed it at all. The long, usually six-month, mandatory wait period to reapply heightened this controversy considerably; some unsuccessful applicants believed this was sometimes applied as a form of punishment for failing to complete an application correctly.

This led to claims of elitism, which were (to an extent) ignored, as the majority of community members supported at least some level of quality filtering. Complaints about the speed of the review process were also frequent, due to the difficulty of getting qualified reviewers who could spare the time and effort to review submissions.

== Controversy ==

Although a user called [[RobinLion]] warned people{{fact}} not to donate any money after the initial crash, as Yerf would "most likely never come back,"{{fact}} and the money would instead "be spent on everything but Yerf,"{{fact}} over $2500 was raised in donations. Just a few dollars were spent on a new hard-disk,{{fact}} the rest disappeared.{{fact}}

Volunteers who brought Yerf back up several times never received anything from their efforts, nor was the money ever refunded.{{fact}}

== References ==
<references/>

== See also ==
{{WikiFurNews|Yerf goes offline; may be 'the end'}}
*[[Yerfer]]
*[[Yerfday]]
*[[Yerfdom]]
*[[Purrsia.yerf]]
*[[Yerf forums]]
*[[Yerf newsgroups]]

==External links==

*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/msg/fd717a83fdc87c90?dmode=source Official announcement of the 1998 Yerf hand-over from Rat to Scotty Arsenault] on [[alt.fan.furry]]

[[Category:Art archives]]
[[Category:1996 births]]
[[Category:2004 deaths]]
[[Category:2006 births]]
{{Featured article}}

[[es:Yerf]]
[[ru:Yerf]]

Doe

2008-12-10T16:38:44Z

Loganberry: doe, a rabbit, a female rabbit as well! So make into a disambig page

A '''doe''' can be:

* A female [[cervine]] (such as a [[deer]])
* A female [[rabbit]]

{{disambig}}

Talk:Yerf (art archive)

2008-07-01T19:00:37Z

Loganberry: /* The "Controversy" section */ new section

Talk:Marsten

2006-11-20T00:05:22Z

Loganberry: Suggested minor edit

If this article weren't protected, I'd stick a cleanup template on it for tone. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Suggested minor edit ==

Under "External links" - there's a missing carriage return before the LiveJournal link. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 00:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Miss Monster

2006-11-09T16:31:04Z

Loganberry: couple of "invisible capitalisations" to Wikipedia links

'''Miss Monster''' (also known as '''Melly'''; real name: '''Melita Curphy''') is a classic media and [[wikipedia:Computer_graphics|CG]] [[artist]], a sculptress, and a costume-maker. She is of [[wikipedia:Finland|Finnish]] descent. She currently lives in [[Wikipedia:Texas|Texas]], U.S.A.

Her preference for [[furry]] art is mainly [[Wikipedia:PG|PG]] rated. Melita Curphy's professional credits include animation work for "''A Scanner Darkly''".

==Filmography==

*[[Warner Independent Pictures]]
**2006 - "[[wikipedia:A_Scanner_Darkly_(film)|A Scanner Darkly]]" (Animator)

== External links ==

* http://www.missmonster.com/
* [http://missmonstermel.livejournal.com/ Miss Monster] on [[LiveJournal]]
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2234662/ Melita Curphy] at the [[Wikipedia:IMDb|IMDb]]

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Garfield

2006-11-09T16:25:53Z

Loganberry: bold headword; there's already a linnk to the official site under "External links"

[[Image:Garfield-800x600.jpg|thumb|right|Garfield & Odie]]

'''Garfield''' is a cartoon [[cat]] character created by Jim Davis. He debuted in a daily [[comic strip]] on June 19, 1978, and since then, has starred in his own animated television series called ''[[Garfield and Friends]]'' from 1988 to 1995, a few animated holiday specials , and has two feature-length 3D animated/live action movies (the most recent which was released June 2006.) Along with [[Odie]], his unlucky-at-love owner Jon Arbuckle, and an assorted cast of minor characters, Garfield uses his wry sense of humor and eternal slothfulness to create humorous, kid-friendly comic situations. Usually his antics end up keeping John unlucky in love, and Odie, depicted as a silent, dense dog, getting into all sorts of mishaps.

A comic with a similar cast of characters is [[Get Fuzzy]], which also features a somewhat thick dog, a cat with a sharp attitude, and an owner getting into more bizarre and less kid-friendly situations. While Garfield is not a furry comic per se, he is an [[anthropomorphic]] character.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Garfield|Garfield]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

*[http://www.garfield.com Garfield.com] - Comic website
*[http://www.garfield.com/comics/comics_todays.html Today's comic]

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Austrofurs

2006-11-09T16:23:49Z

Loganberry: slight editing - summer 2006 is now in the past

'''Austrofurs''' are furries living in [[Wikipedia:Austria|Austria]].

== Activities ==

Numerous [[furmeets]], usually only one or two days long, have been held primarily in [[Wikipedia:Vienna|Wien]], [[Wikipedia:Graz|Graz]] and [[Wikipedia:Steyr|Steyr]], some of them for events such as the [[Wikipedia:Donauinsel|Donauinselfest]].

A furmeet in a mountain cottage, held over an extended weekend (usually over [[Wikipedia:Pentecost|Pentecost]]), is called [[FurryAlpin]]. So far it has been held thrice (2003, 2004 and 2005); for 2006, a summer con was under discussion.

== IRC ==

On [[FurNet (IRC)|FurNet]], the primary channels used by Austrian furries are #[[Austrofurs (IRC)|austrofurs]] and #[[wolfshöhle]].

== External links ==

* [http://www.lionking.at/furrymap/mapview.php3 Furry map of Austria]
* [http://forum.furry.at/ furry.at forum]
* [http://www.forum4free.org/6526/forum/ Wolves of Shadowmoon forum]

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Dhole

2006-11-09T16:13:54Z

Loganberry: tidy up text and interwiki link to a couple of places

The '''Dhole''' is a [[canine]] fox-like animal living in East Asia. Northwards its range extends as far as [[Wikipedia:Korea|Korea]] and parts of [[Wikipedia:Mongolia|Mongolia]], while southwards it extends as far as [[Wikipedia:Java|Java]].

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Dhole characters|Dhole characters]]

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Streak (person)

2006-11-09T16:04:36Z

Loganberry: interwiki links for Japan and (United) States

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'''Streak''', aka '''Streakthetiger''', is living in Kawachinagano Osaka, [[Wikipedia:Japan|Japan]]. He will return to the [[Wikipedia:United States|States]] in late June, just in time to attend [[Anthrocon 2007]]. Streak is a future [[fursuiter]]; as of September 2006, his fursuit is in the beginning stages at [[One Fur All Studios]].

== External links ==
* http://streakthetiger.livejournal.com/

{{Contributor|Streakthetiger}}

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User:Loganberry

2006-11-09T16:03:03Z

Loganberry: slight reforma

{{ContributorU|Loganberry}}

I haven't got a huge amount to say for myself beyond what's in my article. Anyone who's interested in me can follow the links from there or look up [http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/profile my LiveJournal] ;honestly, I may be fairly dense sometimes but I do usually notice when somebody contacts me! =:P

Suffice it to say that I avoided WikiFur for a while for a whole variety of reasons, but that once somebody started an article about me I felt that the lesser of two evils was to get involved myself and make that article halfway useful. Now that I ''am'' here as such, I expect I'll do bits and pieces of editing from time to time.

I suppose the one thing I might be considered "known" for in furry, albeit only on a low level, is my 2003 essay ''Rabbiting On'' (linked to from my article). Considering that I'd only been in furry for a short time when I wrote that, it does seem to have held up remarkably well, and I am rather proud of it. =:)

Lapism

2006-11-09T15:59:29Z

Loganberry: /* Comparisons */ spelling (proselytization)

[[Image:AdventuresInWonderlandRabbit-Tenniel.jpg|right|A convert to Lapism?]]
'''Lapism''' is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a [[Wikipedia:Religion|religion]] followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] [[rabbit]]s.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by [[Dr. Thomas Aaron]], a master "gengineer" ([[Wikipedia:Genetic engineering|genetic engineer]]) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and practices==
Lapists study the [[Book of Peace]] as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "<nowiki>[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity]</nowiki> Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the ''Change''. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's [[Wikipedia:DNA|DNA]] with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large [[feet]], mobile [[ear]]s, and [[tail]] -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbit-like appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion ([[hug]]ging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

:''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' - Digger, ''[[Full Immersion]]''

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous [[Wikipedia:Patent|patents]].

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as [[Wikipedia:Confucianism|Confucianism]], that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's [[Wikipedia:New Testament|New Testament]]. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with [[Wikipedia:Islam|Islam]] and the [[Wikipedia:Quaker|Quaker sect]], there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with [[Wikipedia:Protestantism|Protestant Christians]], and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with [[Wikipedia:Mormonism|Mormonism]]. <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml Mormonism] from the BBC</ref> As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker [[Wikipedia:Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony|Testimony of Peace]]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with [[Wikipedia:Transhumanism|Transhumanism]], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism hearkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects proselytization, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

* '''[[Drama Class]]''': Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence. (published in ''[[Anthro]]'' <ref>[http://anthrozine.com/stry/drama.class.html Drama Class] from ''Anthro''</ref>)
* '''[[Intermission]]''': Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots."
* '''[[Schism]]''': The young movement faces a severe crisis after its founder's death. (published in ''[[TSAT]]'' <ref>[http://tsat.transform.to/stories/schism.html Schism] from ''TSAT''</ref>)
* '''[[Full Immersion]]''': A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger, at a family-owned cave. (published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/full.immersion.html Full Immersion]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>)
* '''[[In the Beginning]]''': An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction. (published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/in.the.beginning.html In the Beginning]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>)

The chronological sequence is "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager) and "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

==References==
<references />

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Loganberry

2006-11-03T03:39:02Z

Loganberry: minor updates; 2003 is more accurate than 2002 for furry; WD was 2002

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, in the word's sense as the inverse of [[anthropomorphic]], and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an anthro version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2003 as a result of his interest in ''[[Watership Down]]'', an interest which he had become serious about online in 2002 and which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. Indeed, his name itself is a nod towards ''Watership Down'', in which most buck rabbits are named after plants. He remains active in the ''WD'' fandom, maintaining a website about it as well as acting as a moderator for a Yahoo! Group on the subject.

In 2003, only a few weeks after becoming an active fur, Loganberry wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it. He is by his own admission a poor [[furry artist]], and so does very little drawing, but he feels much more at home with the written word and enjoys writing both prose and poetry, as well as a modest amount of photography.

==External links==
{{Contributor|Loganberry}}
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - ''Watership Down'' website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html ''Rabbiting On'' - a personal view of furry]
* ''[http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Bunny bunny bunny, must be funny...]'' - Loganberry's [[LiveJournal]]

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Furvey

2006-11-02T16:12:23Z

Loganberry: actually that one is v2.5, not v3.5

The '''Furvey''' (a [[Wikipedia:Portmanteau|portmanteau]] from "furry" and "survey") is a personal, detailed questionnaire. The Furvey originated on the [[Usenet]] newsgroup [[alt.lifestyle.furry]], first appearing not long after the group was founded in 1996. The original purpose of the Furvey was to find correlations in furry behavior and interests<ref>http://members.aol.com/baltowlf/MYFURVEY.TXT Introduction to v.2.5 of the Furvey</ref>, but it became a way for [[wikipedia:newbies|newbies]] to [[wikipedia:delurk|delurk]]/introduce themselves for the first time.

[[Locandez]] originated the furvey concept and wrote most of the original questions, with input from [[Lynx Meerkat]], [[Tim Gadd]], [[Tirran]], and [[FoxWolfie Galen]].<ref>''Ibid''</ref> Locandez maintained the furvey through version 3.5 and hosted it on on his site [[Lotcaf]] until July, 2000. In February, 2001, [[ziramax]], assisted by [[Valryn Timberwolf]], took over the maintenance and distribution and moved the Furvey to the official site of furvey.org<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20020622142857/http://www.furvey.org/index.html Introductory page to furvey.org</ref>. In late 2001, [[aMoose]] translated the furvey into [[Wikipedia:German|German]]. In 2002, the furvey was moved to [[Wikipedia:Geocities|Geocities]], where it has not been updated since.

The '''Thervey''' is the [[therianthropy]] version of the furvey, and can currently only be found by web searching old posts of alt.lifestyle.furry. The Furvey was the basis for the Thervey and contains many similar questions, but the Thervey has a more spiritual bent. It was written and maintained by [[Arden Scentaurr]]. It has not been updated since 2001.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==
*[http://www.geocities.com/furvey/ ''The Furvey''] on [[wikipedia:Geocities|Geocities]] ([http://web.archive.org/web/20030405064950/http://www.furvey.org/ previously on furvey.org])
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.lifestyle.furry/browse_frm/thread/bc42fa8ba50f34c/c6ef9c95492329e1?lnk=st&q=thervey&rnum=10&hl=en#c6ef9c95492329e1 Thervey v.2.0] posted to alt.lifestyle.furry on 11 January, 2001
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20020211173220/http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/lyndale/lotcaf/furvey.htm A summary of species listed in 540 furveys, from April 17, 2000]

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User:Loganberry

2006-10-25T03:57:00Z

Loganberry: Rabbiting On

{{ContributorU|Loganberry}}

I haven't got a huge amount to say for myself beyond what's in my article. Anyone who's interested in me can follow the links from there; honestly, I do notice when somebody contacts me! =:P Suffice it to say that I avoided WikiFur for a while for a whole variety of reasons, but that once somebody started an article about me I felt that the lesser of two evils was to get involved myself and make that article halfway useful. Now that I ''am'' here as such, I expect I'll do bits and pieces of editing from time to time.

I suppose the one thing I might be considered "known" for in furry, albeit only on a low level, is my 2003 essay ''Rabbiting On'' (linked to from my article). Considering that I'd only been in furry for a short time when I wrote that, it does seem to have held up remarkably well, and I am rather proud of it. =:)

User:Loganberry

2006-10-25T03:54:53Z

Loganberry: update a little now I have an article

Loganberry

2006-10-24T15:27:47Z

Loganberry: correct my idiotic mistake - "prose and poetry", not "prose and fiction"! Gah!

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, in the word's sense as the inverse of [[anthropomorphic]], and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an anthro version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2002 as a result of his interest in ''[[Watership Down]]'', which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. Indeed, his name itself is a nod towards ''Watership Down'', in which most buck rabbits are named after plants. He remains active in the ''WD'' fandom, maintaining a website about it as well as acting as a moderator for a Yahoo! Group on the subject.

In 2003 Loganberry wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it. He is by his own admission a poor [[furry artist]], and so does very little drawing, but he feels much more at home with the written word and enjoys writing both prose and poetry.

==External links==
{{Contributor|Loganberry}}
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - ''Watership Down'' website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html ''Rabbiting On'' - a personal view of furry]
* ''[http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Bunny bunny bunny, must be funny...]'' - Loganberry's [[LiveJournal]]

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Loganberry

2006-10-24T15:26:42Z

Loganberry: slight clarification - I don't draw much

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, in the word's sense as the inverse of [[anthropomorphic]], and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an anthro version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2002 as a result of his interest in ''[[Watership Down]]'', which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. Indeed, his name itself is a nod towards ''Watership Down'', in which most buck rabbits are named after plants. He remains active in the ''WD'' fandom, maintaining a website about it as well as acting as a moderator for a Yahoo! Group on the subject.

In 2003 Loganberry wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it. He is by his own admission a poor [[furry artist]], and so does very little drawing, but he feels much more at home with the written word and enjoys writing both prose and fiction.

==External links==
{{Contributor|Loganberry}}
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - ''Watership Down'' website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html ''Rabbiting On'' - a personal view of furry]
* ''[http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Bunny bunny bunny, must be funny...]'' - Loganberry's [[LiveJournal]]

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Loganberry

2006-10-24T15:26:07Z

Loganberry: expand a bit - I'm happier with writing than art by a long way

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, in the word's sense as the inverse of [[anthropomorphic]], and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an anthro version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2002 as a result of his interest in ''[[Watership Down]]'', which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. Indeed, his name itself is a nod towards ''Watership Down'', in which most buck rabbits are named after plants. He remains active in the ''WD'' fandom, maintaining a website about it as well as acting as a moderator for a Yahoo! Group on the subject.

In 2003 Loganberry wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it. He is by his own admission a poor [[furry artist]], but feels much more at home with the written word and enjoys writing both prose and fiction.

==External links==
{{Contributor|Loganberry}}
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - ''Watership Down'' website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html ''Rabbiting On'' - a personal view of furry]
* ''[http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Bunny bunny bunny, must be funny...]'' - Loganberry's [[LiveJournal]]

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Loganberry

2006-10-24T01:29:45Z

Loganberry: explain zoomorphic

{{Contributor|Loganberry}}

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:Britain|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, in the word's sense as the inverse of [[anthropomorphic]], and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an anthro version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2002 as a result of his interest in [[Watership Down]], which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. In 2003 he wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it.

==External links==
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - Watership Down website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry]
* [http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Loganberry's LiveJournal]

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User:Loganberry

2006-10-24T01:28:55Z

Loganberry: contribU temp

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This is the burrow. My name's Loganberry. I'm a buck.

Loganberry

2006-10-24T01:28:22Z

Loganberry: I suppose I might as well add a bit here

{{Contributor|Loganberry}}

'''Loganberry''' (born 1975) is a [[Wikipedia:Britain|British]] [[furry writer]]. His full furry name is '''Loganberry Brekytennion''', the second word being the [[Lapine (language)|Lapine]] translation of the first, but he rarely uses this. In fact, he often goes by the shortened form '''Logan'''.

Loganberry's [[fursona]] is a [[rabbit]], specifically the European Rabbit, ''Oryctolagus cuniculus''. His fur is grey-brown in colour, and he has blue eyes. Most commonly he uses a [[zoomorphic]] fursona, and initially this was always the case, but recently he has also used an [[anthro]] version of the same character.

Loganberry found furry in 2002 as a result of his interest in [[Watership Down]], which included writing an extension of the Lapine language used in the book. In 2003 he wrote an essay, ''Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry'', which attempted to explain furry as he saw it.

==External links==
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/ Logan's Runes - main personal website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/ Bits'n'Bob-stones - Watership Down website]
* [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html Rabbiting On - a personal view of furry]
* [http://loganberrybunny.livejournal.com/ Loganberry's LiveJournal]

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Talk:Zoomorphism

2006-10-24T01:25:42Z

Loganberry: seconde

There is definitely a lack of consistency in their use, but I actually use 'zoomorphic' to represent the inverse of the 'normal' furry fandom use of [[anthropomorphic]] -- that is, an animal that is primarily, well, animal. No bipedal walk, with only a few human features such as the ability to speak human language, the ability to grab or manipulate things with their paws/hooves/claws/etc. that the 'real' animal would not be able to, etc.

:Seconded. I would consider a fursona that was basically animal to be zoomorphic. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 01:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Rabbit

2006-10-24T01:16:54Z

Loganberry: /* Species confusion */ different genus yes, but cottontails are still rabbits

A '''rabbit''' (also known as "lapin" or "lapine" in French, "usagi" in Japanese) is a [[herbivore|herbivorous]] [[mammal]], physically characterised by long hindlegs, long ears, large front teeth, and a very short, fluffy tail, called a ''scut'' or ''bobtail''.

==Species confusion==

The rabbit is a very well-known animal, but similarities between different species often results in it being confused with other species. The archetypal rabbit is the European Rabbit (''Oryctolagus cuniculus''), which is brown-grey in colour. All domestic rabbits are descended from this species.

In America, European rabbits are often confused with cottontails, which look practically the same, but are a different genus.

The most common confusion is with [[hare]]s; which look like large rabbits. The two are not the same, but they tend to be lumped together.

==Rabbits in culture==

Rabbits are well known for being prolific breeders (as evidenced in the phrase 'breeding like rabbits'). For this reason, they are often used as a symbol of fertility. For the same reason, they are regarded as pests by farmers.

The rabbit is widely predated, and this role as a [[prey]] animal also lends it an air of innocence.

[[Anthropomorphic]] rabbits have often appeared in film and literature. For example, there is the White Rabbit in ''Alice's Adventures in Wonderland;'' [[Roger Rabbit]] from ''Who Framed Roger Rabbit'', Warner Brothers' [[Bugs Bunny]] and many others.

== Bhunnies ==

A "bhunny" is an attractive female rabbit. The term is comparable to "[[vixen]]", but applied to a rabbit instead of a [[fox]]. The word is vocalized slowly and drawn out (''bhuuuuunny''), as if the lower jaw were numb and/or weighted down. The term is the result of a male character seeing an attractive doe rabbit character and being so distracted by the sight he is unable to say anything else.

Many associate the term with the characters [http://roomies.furry.com/roomies/cgi-bin/roomies.cgi?date=20010415 Rhonda] or her mother [http://roomies.furry.com/roomies/cgi-bin/roomies.cgi?date=20030210 RM] from the comic strip ''[[Roomies]]'', but it is unclear whether the term originated there.

==Popularity==

According to [[Pounced.org]], rabbits are the [[List of most popular phenotypes|9th most popular phenotype]].

Some popular culture examples are:

* [[Bugs Bunny]] from ''[[Wikipedia:Looney Toons|Looney Toons]]''
* [[Lola Bunny]] from ''Space Jam''
* Buster Bunny from ''[[wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures|Tiny Toons]]''.
* Babs Bunny from ''Tiny Toons''.

== See also ==

* [[:Category:Rabbit characters|Rabbit characters]]
* [[Wikipedia:Rabbit|Rabbit]] at Wikipedia
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rabbits List of fictional rabbits] at Wikipedia

==External links==
*[http://bunnies.lemony-fresh.com/ Fanlisting for rabbits and bunnies]

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Talk:Juggernaut

2006-10-10T01:23:42Z

Loganberry: eh?

:''Juggernaut is also a -----'' - what does that mean? [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 01:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Loganberry

2006-10-10T01:22:07Z

Loganberry: might as well put something

This is the burrow. My name's Loganberry. I'm a buck.

User talk:Foxpaws-zupe

2006-10-10T01:20:39Z

Loganberry: probably my piece being referred to here

Hi there, Foxpaws-zupe, and welcome to WikiFur! Thanks for telling us a bit about yourself - [[Forum:Help desk|let us know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

== Need help putting up an article ==

I want to put up an essay that's under the GNU Free Docement Lisence, and I want to ask for a little bit of tips on how to do it before I actually do it. Or even how I'm suppose to do it. --[[User:Foxpaws-zupe|Foxpaws]] 00:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

:Could you be more specific about what you're trying to do? If you have a GFDL essay from another place, then in general it's fine to just copy it here into a new page as long as you give attribution for the people who wrote it (for example, with Wikipedia you would link to the history page) and preferably link back to the original source. Of course, it would have to fit the topic of the wiki, and be neutral in tone. If it was not neutral (whether or not you wrote it), you should probably avoid putting it in the main namespage - it should go a subpage of your User: space - e.g [[User:Foxpaws-zupe/Article name]] - and it should have a note up at the top similar to that of the [[:Template:personal-article|personal article template]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

::I believe the piece in question is my own ''Rabbiting On'' [http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/essays/rabbitingon.html], which I note (with some surprise) is now linked to from the [[Furry]] article's "Resources" section. Foxpaws-zupe is correct that ''RO'' is GFDL-licensed, but I would certainly not claim it to be a neutral bit of writing; it's quite opinionated in places. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 01:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Lapine (language)

2006-10-10T01:17:21Z

Loganberry: the dialects are not Adams' work (and I should know!)

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'''Lapine''' was a [[rabbit]] language created by [[wikipedia:Richard_Adams_(author)|Richard Adams]] for his novel ''[[Watership Down]]''.

Adams created the language in 1972, based on his experience with the [[wikipedia:Arabic|Arabic]] tongue, and many of the words are uniquely adapted to the lapine existance.

For example, ''silflay'' is a verb which means 'to go above ground to eat', and ''tharn'' is an adjective which means 'hypnotized with fear'. The word ''flayrah'' is defined as 'unusually good food, such as lettuce' and is the source of the name of the furry news site [[Flayrah.com]].

Many [[furs]] have taken names for themselves or characters based on the intricacy (and pseudo-furry nature) of this [[wikipedia:Constructed_language|constructed language]].

==External links==
*[http://www.langmaker.com/featured/lapine.htm Lapine at Langmaker]
*[http://www.loganberry.furtopia.org/bnb/lapine/overview.html ''Frithaes!'' An Introduction to Colloquial Lapine]

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