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Talk:Catfx

2014-03-23T22:55:13Z

Lironess:

This page is currently being worked on by a few people. I am helping to gather information that shows that Catfx has passed. Califur made a tweet about him on the day of his passing. I see that socalfurs has already been referenced.

https://twitter.com/Califur/status/435202098079096832

People are also attempting to load in images but not sure how successful they are. User leading the charge does not know Wikifur well.

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/File:Catfx.jpg

[[User: SiriusKarma]] - Oggy

I was just given information that Catfx did not wish to have any sort of internet presence. It might be best to have this article removed.

[[User: SiriusKarma]]-Oggy

I have been sharing a house with cat for many years. I feel that this article should remain and I am the one who took care of him until his passing.

[[User: lironess]]-Brianna

Talk:Stalking Cat

2012-11-21T02:07:35Z

Lironess:

I couldn't figure out how to do the wikipedia boiler plate -- [[User:Gmork7|ACGLKXH]] 02:29, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Why are we not using Wikipedia's article? Theirs is far more complete and established than this one ever could be, and at very least, we could some day get as good as theirs but not really any better. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 21:02, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, go for it. Just remember to use the "Wikipedia" template to give appropriate credit. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 04:01, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

=="Suicide"==
Regarding the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Stalking_Cat&oldid=382992 recent edits] claiming Stalking Cat had committed suicide: I have been in contact with Stalking Cat's agent, who told me he (SC) is alive and well.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:09, 7 November 2012 (EST)

:Sadly, I just talked with his roomate Foxy Stallion because I too was attempting to get some sort of actual facts (vs speculations from a site that is known for spreading rumors and trolling). Sadly, Foxy Stallion confirmed that he indeed has passed on. No further details at this time so I did not want to modify the Wikipage just yet. Very much at a loss --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 22:35 9 November 2012 (PST)

::The preceding comment has been confirmed as being made by the stated user. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:08, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::Stalking Cat is an user on the SoCalFurs' mailing list. No posts indicates such event, nor does any furry online sites do either at the current time. Only site this is even been [http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html discussed] is the site [[Lulz.net]], but there are just allegations, no URLs or references to back-up this assertion. His Wikipedia article has not being changed, and no there's no media news feed about it for the last seven days'

:::There's the Twitter "feed" who started this whole "Suicide story" by [https://www.facebook.com/DoMartAnd Martin Andersen] (a screenshot of which can be found in the Lulz.net' post). An "[https://www.facebook.com/alisha.hardin2 Alisha Hardin]" claims that she "read it online", but won't say were.

:::[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat]], you are part of the SocalFurs' mailing lists. If this indeed happened, why haven't you posted it there? (the death of Beastcub's sister's boyfriend was discussed in length, as well as WhiskeyFoxtrot's aircraft crash). You posted on twitter on the 7th "Update from the same source I learned of the suicide rumor. Someone reached his agent and agent says he is alive". On the 8th, Salem Kapsaski ‏wrote to you on twitter: "@Catwoman69y2k Thank you Kat! So glad to hear it was just a rumour after all :D." But on the 9th, you write here that his "roommate" told you on the 9th that he died,... (?)

:::Tl:dr, A post on "lulz.net" claims that Stalking Cat committed Suicide, nobody can prove it, no '''official''' news - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:47, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::: '''In response to [[User:Spirou|Spirou]], please see my first comment first beforehand.''' It would of explained to you that I'm not acting on the rumor. While the rumor first broke on Lulz, I have been checking with my peers who also know Stalking Cat first. This is why it is not posted on SoCalFurs. With Beastcub's sis, the death was very much an absolute (news stories, statements from Beastcub herself) and thus, it was perfectly fine for the news to be posted to my mailing list immediately. As moderator for SoCalfurs, it would be '''very very stupid''' and of poor judgement to post about Stalking Cat at all until some truth comes out. Sorry if you thought I was simply just going on Lulz's info (sorry, but for anyone who knows me, I get trolled on there alot and I take alot of their meanspirited cracks with a grain of salt). For redundancies sake, (since my original statement was obviously not read), Ill say it again. '''I did get word back from Stalking Cat's roomate in Tonopah.''' FoxyStallion is not a man of many words so his response back to my inquiry was brief. It is as follows: "I'm sorry, but the worst did happen. I can't imagine why anyone would hack his website. I don't know of anyone he had ever offended.". If you want a screencap from my FA notes, than simply let me know and Ill do it. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 09:43 10 November 2012 (PST)

::::: I contacted FoxyStallion myself. He said he was "never [Stalking Cat's] housemate or roommate. I had only seen him a few times in the last few years." and that he didn't know who had reported his death. So we're still not much closer there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:06, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:::::: Thanks. Honestly, I may have been incorrect in saying FoxyStallion is Stalking Cat's roomate. I think "landlord" is the better term as that is what Stalking Cat referred to him as when him and I last spoke (back around 2010). If FoxyStallion tells me "...the worst did happen." and then tells [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] that he did not, than color me confused. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:31 11 November 2012 (PST)

:::::::Nevermind.Shortly after posting my 11:31am message to this talk page, I checked my FA notes again. FoxyStallion wrote me and mentioned his death was 11/5/2012 and was a suicide. Stalking Cat's shotgun was involved. Will provide contents of FA note at request, but again, FoxyStallion was very brief about it. In addition, someone posted to our SoCalFurs board on thier own volition and linked to this journal entry by Brian Wear (a former roomate of Stalking Cat's): http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4017131/ . Maybe next week an obituary will show up whichcan be linked in the revised Stalking Cat wiki article. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:47 11 November 2012 (PST)

::::::::Sorry, I am not that savvy with editing here on Wiki but I will give this a shot. I called the Tonopah Sheriff Dept, and talked to the City Public Admin. I have confirmed that Stalking Cat has indeed passed away and is currently being held in the morgue. They are in contact with his brother Dave, as he is next of kin. I stand by my word on this. - [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::::::::Two things: A) That information is privy to next to kin only, and B) If you just called them, let's say Friday, why is the body still in the Morgue if the death "occurred" on the fifth, as Lulz.net and Catwoman69y2k "indicated"? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:05, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Have a bit of compassion please, for your own sake when postings do come out. As I have stated elsewhere such as the SoCalFurs Forums and on my personal FA... I have family that is state/gov/city officials and I have gotten this confirm by calling who I needed to call. Necro Drone has also called and confirmed with the same admin. They are currently speaking with and dealing with his next of kin which would be Dave. I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this. If you are a skeptical, call yourself. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

I have been in telephone contact with Stalking Cat's only biological brother Dave. He says that he will be updating this page as time permits. [[User:lironess|lironess]] for [[User:LynxMountainCat|LynxMountainCat]]

:I'm sure that, given time, the fact of a death with make its way into media reports. Until then, we as an established resource don't have clear enough references. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:46, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::''"I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this."'' Sorry, that's not acceptable form of reference (kudos for the first person to try that line here on Wikifur), and as for compassion, you are the one divulging information that at this point is for family members only ("[He] is currently being held in the morgue"). Yes, highly respectful indeed - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs as someone that follows traditional Native understanding, you can take that up with me personally not here. I am stating what I was told by the City Admin, nothing more. If it was information restricted to family I would not have been granted it. Inquiring about someone having pass once next of kin has been informed is allowed. Hell, contact me personally I'll hand you the number to call. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::''"If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs"''. Negative on that assumption. We do not accept the argument of "I cannot provide information on a certain subject based on my religious beliefs", and please, abstain from making threats on talk pages (''"you can take that up with me personally"''). We try to insure the veracity of any data added to article entries. "I talk to..." is not accepted as valid reference. valid reference would be like the line I'm currently pursuing of checking the obituaries on the city of Tonopah and surrounding counties' newspapers' obituaries - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)

OK guys, hold up. Oggy, the issue appears to be that other editors don't know you, and we're hesitant to use "someone we don't know talked to someone else we don't know" as a firm reference to say "X died", especially given the other stuff above. We ''can'' say something like "X said that he contacted Y, who in turn said that Stalking Cat had died on Z". It seems like this would do for now unless and until we get a published source. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:For what it's worth, [[Chilly]] [http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4019101/ also called up], and got the same information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4018759/ NecroDone13 also called using the same number I did and spoke to the Admin. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::It wasn't a threat, it was me attempting to state this is not a respectful discussion. GreenReaper, the Sheriff said the local papers are Tonopah Times and Bonanza. She didn't know if these were sources that had online content. I looked, I didn't see an obituary for either, let alone content for the Times at all. Admin said nothing was published currently. I assume that a death certificate will eventually be in public record. I really don't care what you guys believe or don't. I'm just trying to provide some of my friends closure. No, I'm not going to post the phone number to the Admin here but anyone can call the Sheriff of the region and confirm this currently. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::Im sure this comforts no one but I can vouch for Oggy as someone I know. I admit that I asked her to update the info (instead of me doing it through my account) only because SHE talked to the Admin. With a few assumptions being made about me, or at least my credibility, I didnt see any point in just relaying Oggy's info, lest that add to the conclusion-jumping. So, if you want to blame me for encouraging the direct source to post (about the contact of authorities there in Tonopah), in the hopes it would keep the assumptions and drama-factor low... than by all means do so. At this point, I am taken a bit aback to a bit of the behaviour but Ill recognize it for what it is. It is not reasonable for me to continue harping over this in a time when I am in deep sorrow and mourning, so I shall leave this talk page be. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 21:22 11 November 2012 (PST)

Kat is indeed correct. I posted here because she asked me. I am attempting to get an Obit published in his home town, as well as state papers. This is proving slightly difficult as Stalking Cat's home town is quite tiny. News has been fast spreading over the internet of this, and it's starting to show up in places like http://gawker.com/5960112/world+famous-cat-man-dennis-avner-may-have-taken-his-own-life?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow I would like to remind people that having an obit published doesn't mean much. Anyone can have this done. I understand this is needed to provide some sort of news article for wiki however. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:This article was also released: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/death-cat-man-probed-article-1.1201336?localLinksEnabled=false [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::Another from a Native Paper Source: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/13/dennis-stalking-cat-avner-dead-at-54-145616 [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::Huffington Post calls the Sheriff and confirms that Stalking Cat has passed away. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-avner-stalking-cat-dead-suicide_n_2122947.html [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

== Obits plus Wikipedia ==

Check 37 sites that deal with obituaries. None list Dennis Avner. On literally the last try, I just entered Dennis+Avner+death on Google. It listed one hit: His Wikipedia account. Date and place of death is listed now, but the reference links are the same FA account posts as the one's now on the Wikifur article. The edit was a few hours ago and anon - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:07, 11 November 2012 (EST)

== Lulz.net ==

And the initial rumor post on Lulz is active again: http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:32, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Stalking Cat

2012-11-21T02:01:09Z

Lironess:

I couldn't figure out how to do the wikipedia boiler plate -- [[User:Gmork7|ACGLKXH]] 02:29, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Why are we not using Wikipedia's article? Theirs is far more complete and established than this one ever could be, and at very least, we could some day get as good as theirs but not really any better. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 21:02, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, go for it. Just remember to use the "Wikipedia" template to give appropriate credit. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 04:01, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

=="Suicide"==
Regarding the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Stalking_Cat&oldid=382992 recent edits] claiming Stalking Cat had committed suicide: I have been in contact with Stalking Cat's agent, who told me he (SC) is alive and well.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:09, 7 November 2012 (EST)

:Sadly, I just talked with his roomate Foxy Stallion because I too was attempting to get some sort of actual facts (vs speculations from a site that is known for spreading rumors and trolling). Sadly, Foxy Stallion confirmed that he indeed has passed on. No further details at this time so I did not want to modify the Wikipage just yet. Very much at a loss --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 22:35 9 November 2012 (PST)

::The preceding comment has been confirmed as being made by the stated user. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:08, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::Stalking Cat is an user on the SoCalFurs' mailing list. No posts indicates such event, nor does any furry online sites do either at the current time. Only site this is even been [http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html discussed] is the site [[Lulz.net]], but there are just allegations, no URLs or references to back-up this assertion. His Wikipedia article has not being changed, and no there's no media news feed about it for the last seven days'

:::There's the Twitter "feed" who started this whole "Suicide story" by [https://www.facebook.com/DoMartAnd Martin Andersen] (a screenshot of which can be found in the Lulz.net' post). An "[https://www.facebook.com/alisha.hardin2 Alisha Hardin]" claims that she "read it online", but won't say were.

:::[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat]], you are part of the SocalFurs' mailing lists. If this indeed happened, why haven't you posted it there? (the death of Beastcub's sister's boyfriend was discussed in length, as well as WhiskeyFoxtrot's aircraft crash). You posted on twitter on the 7th "Update from the same source I learned of the suicide rumor. Someone reached his agent and agent says he is alive". On the 8th, Salem Kapsaski ‏wrote to you on twitter: "@Catwoman69y2k Thank you Kat! So glad to hear it was just a rumour after all :D." But on the 9th, you write here that his "roommate" told you on the 9th that he died,... (?)

:::Tl:dr, A post on "lulz.net" claims that Stalking Cat committed Suicide, nobody can prove it, no '''official''' news - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:47, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::: '''In response to [[User:Spirou|Spirou]], please see my first comment first beforehand.''' It would of explained to you that I'm not acting on the rumor. While the rumor first broke on Lulz, I have been checking with my peers who also know Stalking Cat first. This is why it is not posted on SoCalFurs. With Beastcub's sis, the death was very much an absolute (news stories, statements from Beastcub herself) and thus, it was perfectly fine for the news to be posted to my mailing list immediately. As moderator for SoCalfurs, it would be '''very very stupid''' and of poor judgement to post about Stalking Cat at all until some truth comes out. Sorry if you thought I was simply just going on Lulz's info (sorry, but for anyone who knows me, I get trolled on there alot and I take alot of their meanspirited cracks with a grain of salt). For redundancies sake, (since my original statement was obviously not read), Ill say it again. '''I did get word back from Stalking Cat's roomate in Tonopah.''' FoxyStallion is not a man of many words so his response back to my inquiry was brief. It is as follows: "I'm sorry, but the worst did happen. I can't imagine why anyone would hack his website. I don't know of anyone he had ever offended.". If you want a screencap from my FA notes, than simply let me know and Ill do it. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 09:43 10 November 2012 (PST)

::::: I contacted FoxyStallion myself. He said he was "never [Stalking Cat's] housemate or roommate. I had only seen him a few times in the last few years." and that he didn't know who had reported his death. So we're still not much closer there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:06, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:::::: Thanks. Honestly, I may have been incorrect in saying FoxyStallion is Stalking Cat's roomate. I think "landlord" is the better term as that is what Stalking Cat referred to him as when him and I last spoke (back around 2010). If FoxyStallion tells me "...the worst did happen." and then tells [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] that he did not, than color me confused. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:31 11 November 2012 (PST)

:::::::Nevermind.Shortly after posting my 11:31am message to this talk page, I checked my FA notes again. FoxyStallion wrote me and mentioned his death was 11/5/2012 and was a suicide. Stalking Cat's shotgun was involved. Will provide contents of FA note at request, but again, FoxyStallion was very brief about it. In addition, someone posted to our SoCalFurs board on thier own volition and linked to this journal entry by Brian Wear (a former roomate of Stalking Cat's): http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4017131/ . Maybe next week an obituary will show up whichcan be linked in the revised Stalking Cat wiki article. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:47 11 November 2012 (PST)

::::::::Sorry, I am not that savvy with editing here on Wiki but I will give this a shot. I called the Tonopah Sheriff Dept, and talked to the City Public Admin. I have confirmed that Stalking Cat has indeed passed away and is currently being held in the morgue. They are in contact with his brother Dave, as he is next of kin. I stand by my word on this. - [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::::::::Two things: A) That information is privy to next to kin only, and B) If you just called them, let's say Friday, why is the body still in the Morgue if the death "occurred" on the fifth, as Lulz.net and Catwoman69y2k "indicated"? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:05, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Have a bit of compassion please, for your own sake when postings do come out. As I have stated elsewhere such as the SoCalFurs Forums and on my personal FA... I have family that is state/gov/city officials and I have gotten this confirm by calling who I needed to call. Necro Drone has also called and confirmed with the same admin. They are currently speaking with and dealing with his next of kin which would be Dave. I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this. If you are a skeptical, call yourself. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

I have been in telephone contact with Stalking Cat's only biological brother Dave. He says that he will be updating this page as time permits.

:I'm sure that, given time, the fact of a death with make its way into media reports. Until then, we as an established resource don't have clear enough references. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:46, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::''"I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this."'' Sorry, that's not acceptable form of reference (kudos for the first person to try that line here on Wikifur), and as for compassion, you are the one divulging information that at this point is for family members only ("[He] is currently being held in the morgue"). Yes, highly respectful indeed - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs as someone that follows traditional Native understanding, you can take that up with me personally not here. I am stating what I was told by the City Admin, nothing more. If it was information restricted to family I would not have been granted it. Inquiring about someone having pass once next of kin has been informed is allowed. Hell, contact me personally I'll hand you the number to call. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::''"If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs"''. Negative on that assumption. We do not accept the argument of "I cannot provide information on a certain subject based on my religious beliefs", and please, abstain from making threats on talk pages (''"you can take that up with me personally"''). We try to insure the veracity of any data added to article entries. "I talk to..." is not accepted as valid reference. valid reference would be like the line I'm currently pursuing of checking the obituaries on the city of Tonopah and surrounding counties' newspapers' obituaries - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)

OK guys, hold up. Oggy, the issue appears to be that other editors don't know you, and we're hesitant to use "someone we don't know talked to someone else we don't know" as a firm reference to say "X died", especially given the other stuff above. We ''can'' say something like "X said that he contacted Y, who in turn said that Stalking Cat had died on Z". It seems like this would do for now unless and until we get a published source. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:For what it's worth, [[Chilly]] [http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4019101/ also called up], and got the same information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4018759/ NecroDone13 also called using the same number I did and spoke to the Admin. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::It wasn't a threat, it was me attempting to state this is not a respectful discussion. GreenReaper, the Sheriff said the local papers are Tonopah Times and Bonanza. She didn't know if these were sources that had online content. I looked, I didn't see an obituary for either, let alone content for the Times at all. Admin said nothing was published currently. I assume that a death certificate will eventually be in public record. I really don't care what you guys believe or don't. I'm just trying to provide some of my friends closure. No, I'm not going to post the phone number to the Admin here but anyone can call the Sheriff of the region and confirm this currently. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::Im sure this comforts no one but I can vouch for Oggy as someone I know. I admit that I asked her to update the info (instead of me doing it through my account) only because SHE talked to the Admin. With a few assumptions being made about me, or at least my credibility, I didnt see any point in just relaying Oggy's info, lest that add to the conclusion-jumping. So, if you want to blame me for encouraging the direct source to post (about the contact of authorities there in Tonopah), in the hopes it would keep the assumptions and drama-factor low... than by all means do so. At this point, I am taken a bit aback to a bit of the behaviour but Ill recognize it for what it is. It is not reasonable for me to continue harping over this in a time when I am in deep sorrow and mourning, so I shall leave this talk page be. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 21:22 11 November 2012 (PST)

Kat is indeed correct. I posted here because she asked me. I am attempting to get an Obit published in his home town, as well as state papers. This is proving slightly difficult as Stalking Cat's home town is quite tiny. News has been fast spreading over the internet of this, and it's starting to show up in places like http://gawker.com/5960112/world+famous-cat-man-dennis-avner-may-have-taken-his-own-life?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow I would like to remind people that having an obit published doesn't mean much. Anyone can have this done. I understand this is needed to provide some sort of news article for wiki however. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:This article was also released: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/death-cat-man-probed-article-1.1201336?localLinksEnabled=false [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::Another from a Native Paper Source: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/13/dennis-stalking-cat-avner-dead-at-54-145616 [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::Huffington Post calls the Sheriff and confirms that Stalking Cat has passed away. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-avner-stalking-cat-dead-suicide_n_2122947.html [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

== Obits plus Wikipedia ==

Check 37 sites that deal with obituaries. None list Dennis Avner. On literally the last try, I just entered Dennis+Avner+death on Google. It listed one hit: His Wikipedia account. Date and place of death is listed now, but the reference links are the same FA account posts as the one's now on the Wikifur article. The edit was a few hours ago and anon - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:07, 11 November 2012 (EST)

== Lulz.net ==

And the initial rumor post on Lulz is active again: http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:32, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Stalking Cat

2012-11-21T01:54:51Z

Lironess:

I couldn't figure out how to do the wikipedia boiler plate -- [[User:Gmork7|ACGLKXH]] 02:29, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Why are we not using Wikipedia's article? Theirs is far more complete and established than this one ever could be, and at very least, we could some day get as good as theirs but not really any better. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 21:02, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, go for it. Just remember to use the "Wikipedia" template to give appropriate credit. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 04:01, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

=="Suicide"==
Regarding the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Stalking_Cat&oldid=382992 recent edits] claiming Stalking Cat had committed suicide: I have been in contact with Stalking Cat's agent, who told me he (SC) is alive and well.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:09, 7 November 2012 (EST)

:Sadly, I just talked with his roomate Foxy Stallion because I too was attempting to get some sort of actual facts (vs speculations from a site that is known for spreading rumors and trolling). Sadly, Foxy Stallion confirmed that he indeed has passed on. No further details at this time so I did not want to modify the Wikipage just yet. Very much at a loss --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 22:35 9 November 2012 (PST)

::The preceding comment has been confirmed as being made by the stated user. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:08, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::Stalking Cat is an user on the SoCalFurs' mailing list. No posts indicates such event, nor does any furry online sites do either at the current time. Only site this is even been [http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html discussed] is the site [[Lulz.net]], but there are just allegations, no URLs or references to back-up this assertion. His Wikipedia article has not being changed, and no there's no media news feed about it for the last seven days'

:::There's the Twitter "feed" who started this whole "Suicide story" by [https://www.facebook.com/DoMartAnd Martin Andersen] (a screenshot of which can be found in the Lulz.net' post). An "[https://www.facebook.com/alisha.hardin2 Alisha Hardin]" claims that she "read it online", but won't say were.

:::[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat]], you are part of the SocalFurs' mailing lists. If this indeed happened, why haven't you posted it there? (the death of Beastcub's sister's boyfriend was discussed in length, as well as WhiskeyFoxtrot's aircraft crash). You posted on twitter on the 7th "Update from the same source I learned of the suicide rumor. Someone reached his agent and agent says he is alive". On the 8th, Salem Kapsaski ‏wrote to you on twitter: "@Catwoman69y2k Thank you Kat! So glad to hear it was just a rumour after all :D." But on the 9th, you write here that his "roommate" told you on the 9th that he died,... (?)

:::Tl:dr, A post on "lulz.net" claims that Stalking Cat committed Suicide, nobody can prove it, no '''official''' news - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:47, 10 November 2012 (EST)

:::: '''In response to [[User:Spirou|Spirou]], please see my first comment first beforehand.''' It would of explained to you that I'm not acting on the rumor. While the rumor first broke on Lulz, I have been checking with my peers who also know Stalking Cat first. This is why it is not posted on SoCalFurs. With Beastcub's sis, the death was very much an absolute (news stories, statements from Beastcub herself) and thus, it was perfectly fine for the news to be posted to my mailing list immediately. As moderator for SoCalfurs, it would be '''very very stupid''' and of poor judgement to post about Stalking Cat at all until some truth comes out. Sorry if you thought I was simply just going on Lulz's info (sorry, but for anyone who knows me, I get trolled on there alot and I take alot of their meanspirited cracks with a grain of salt). For redundancies sake, (since my original statement was obviously not read), Ill say it again. '''I did get word back from Stalking Cat's roomate in Tonopah.''' FoxyStallion is not a man of many words so his response back to my inquiry was brief. It is as follows: "I'm sorry, but the worst did happen. I can't imagine why anyone would hack his website. I don't know of anyone he had ever offended.". If you want a screencap from my FA notes, than simply let me know and Ill do it. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 09:43 10 November 2012 (PST)

::::: I contacted FoxyStallion myself. He said he was "never [Stalking Cat's] housemate or roommate. I had only seen him a few times in the last few years." and that he didn't know who had reported his death. So we're still not much closer there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:06, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:::::: Thanks. Honestly, I may have been incorrect in saying FoxyStallion is Stalking Cat's roomate. I think "landlord" is the better term as that is what Stalking Cat referred to him as when him and I last spoke (back around 2010). If FoxyStallion tells me "...the worst did happen." and then tells [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] that he did not, than color me confused. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:31 11 November 2012 (PST)

:::::::Nevermind.Shortly after posting my 11:31am message to this talk page, I checked my FA notes again. FoxyStallion wrote me and mentioned his death was 11/5/2012 and was a suicide. Stalking Cat's shotgun was involved. Will provide contents of FA note at request, but again, FoxyStallion was very brief about it. In addition, someone posted to our SoCalFurs board on thier own volition and linked to this journal entry by Brian Wear (a former roomate of Stalking Cat's): http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4017131/ . Maybe next week an obituary will show up whichcan be linked in the revised Stalking Cat wiki article. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 11:47 11 November 2012 (PST)

::::::::Sorry, I am not that savvy with editing here on Wiki but I will give this a shot. I called the Tonopah Sheriff Dept, and talked to the City Public Admin. I have confirmed that Stalking Cat has indeed passed away and is currently being held in the morgue. They are in contact with his brother Dave, as he is next of kin. I stand by my word on this. - [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::::::::Two things: A) That information is privy to next to kin only, and B) If you just called them, let's say Friday, why is the body still in the Morgue if the death "occurred" on the fifth, as Lulz.net and Catwoman69y2k "indicated"? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:05, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Have a bit of compassion please, for your own sake when postings do come out. As I have stated elsewhere such as the SoCalFurs Forums and on my personal FA... I have family that is state/gov/city officials and I have gotten this confirm by calling who I needed to call. Necro Drone has also called and confirmed with the same admin. They are currently speaking with and dealing with his next of kin which would be Dave. I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this. If you are a skeptical, call yourself. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:I'm sure that, given time, the fact of a death with make its way into media reports. Until then, we as an established resource don't have clear enough references. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 20:46, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::''"I am barred from stating exact details on how/why due to my religious beliefs and I highly respect Stalking Cat so I will not break this."'' Sorry, that's not acceptable form of reference (kudos for the first person to try that line here on Wikifur), and as for compassion, you are the one divulging information that at this point is for family members only ("[He] is currently being held in the morgue"). Yes, highly respectful indeed - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:::If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs as someone that follows traditional Native understanding, you can take that up with me personally not here. I am stating what I was told by the City Admin, nothing more. If it was information restricted to family I would not have been granted it. Inquiring about someone having pass once next of kin has been informed is allowed. Hell, contact me personally I'll hand you the number to call. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::''"If you have a personal grievance with my religious beliefs"''. Negative on that assumption. We do not accept the argument of "I cannot provide information on a certain subject based on my religious beliefs", and please, abstain from making threats on talk pages (''"you can take that up with me personally"''). We try to insure the veracity of any data added to article entries. "I talk to..." is not accepted as valid reference. valid reference would be like the line I'm currently pursuing of checking the obituaries on the city of Tonopah and surrounding counties' newspapers' obituaries - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)

OK guys, hold up. Oggy, the issue appears to be that other editors don't know you, and we're hesitant to use "someone we don't know talked to someone else we don't know" as a firm reference to say "X died", especially given the other stuff above. We ''can'' say something like "X said that he contacted Y, who in turn said that Stalking Cat had died on Z". It seems like this would do for now unless and until we get a published source. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 11 November 2012 (EST)

:For what it's worth, [[Chilly]] [http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4019101/ also called up], and got the same information. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)

::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4018759/ NecroDone13 also called using the same number I did and spoke to the Admin. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::It wasn't a threat, it was me attempting to state this is not a respectful discussion. GreenReaper, the Sheriff said the local papers are Tonopah Times and Bonanza. She didn't know if these were sources that had online content. I looked, I didn't see an obituary for either, let alone content for the Times at all. Admin said nothing was published currently. I assume that a death certificate will eventually be in public record. I really don't care what you guys believe or don't. I'm just trying to provide some of my friends closure. No, I'm not going to post the phone number to the Admin here but anyone can call the Sheriff of the region and confirm this currently. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::::Im sure this comforts no one but I can vouch for Oggy as someone I know. I admit that I asked her to update the info (instead of me doing it through my account) only because SHE talked to the Admin. With a few assumptions being made about me, or at least my credibility, I didnt see any point in just relaying Oggy's info, lest that add to the conclusion-jumping. So, if you want to blame me for encouraging the direct source to post (about the contact of authorities there in Tonopah), in the hopes it would keep the assumptions and drama-factor low... than by all means do so. At this point, I am taken a bit aback to a bit of the behaviour but Ill recognize it for what it is. It is not reasonable for me to continue harping over this in a time when I am in deep sorrow and mourning, so I shall leave this talk page be. --[[User:Catwoman69y2k|Kat the Leopardess]] 21:22 11 November 2012 (PST)

Kat is indeed correct. I posted here because she asked me. I am attempting to get an Obit published in his home town, as well as state papers. This is proving slightly difficult as Stalking Cat's home town is quite tiny. News has been fast spreading over the internet of this, and it's starting to show up in places like http://gawker.com/5960112/world+famous-cat-man-dennis-avner-may-have-taken-his-own-life?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow I would like to remind people that having an obit published doesn't mean much. Anyone can have this done. I understand this is needed to provide some sort of news article for wiki however. [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:This article was also released: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/death-cat-man-probed-article-1.1201336?localLinksEnabled=false [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

::Another from a Native Paper Source: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/11/13/dennis-stalking-cat-avner-dead-at-54-145616 [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

:::Huffington Post calls the Sheriff and confirms that Stalking Cat has passed away. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-avner-stalking-cat-dead-suicide_n_2122947.html [[User:SiriusKarma|OggyWolf]]

== Obits plus Wikipedia ==

Check 37 sites that deal with obituaries. None list Dennis Avner. On literally the last try, I just entered Dennis+Avner+death on Google. It listed one hit: His Wikipedia account. Date and place of death is listed now, but the reference links are the same FA account posts as the one's now on the Wikifur article. The edit was a few hours ago and anon - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:07, 11 November 2012 (EST)

== Lulz.net ==

And the initial rumor post on Lulz is active again: http://lulz.net/furi/res/2364241.html - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:32, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Stalking Cat

2012-11-21T01:40:09Z

Lironess:

[[File:Catman.jpg|right|thumb|280px|Stalking Cat, also known as Catman]]
'''Dennis Avner''' (August 27, 1958<ref>[http://stalkingcat.livejournal.com/profile Stalking Cat's profile] on [[LiveJournal]]. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref> - November 5, 2012)<ref name="Huffington">[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/dennis-avner-stalking-cat-dead-suicide_n_2122947.html "Dennis Avner, 'Stalking Cat,' Dead At 54: Body Modification Enthusiast May Have Committed Suicide"] - news article on ''[[Wikipedia:The Huffington Post|The Huffington Post]]''. Dated November 13, 2012. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref> was a member of the [[furry fandom]] who was widely known as the "'''Catman'''", though he preferred his [[W:Native Americans in the United States|Native American]] name, '''Stalking Cat'''. Cat had spent considerable resources to surgically modify his body to resemble that of his [[totem]], a [[tiger]]. He claimed that this was due to his traditional [[W:Native American religion|Native American beliefs]].<ref name="SeattleTimes">''[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002441727_catman16.html Catman's transformation raises concerns over extreme surgery]'', [[Wikipedia:The Seattle Times|The Seattle Times]], 16 August 2005.</ref>

== Biography ==

Stalking Cat was born half-white, half-Native American,<ref name="BMERadio">[http://www.zentastic.com/bmeradio/Cat.mp3 Radio interview between Stalking Cat and Shannon Larratt] for BMEradio. Retrieved November 13, 2012</ref> with [[Wikipedia:Wyandot people|Huron]] and [[Wikipedia:Lakota people|Lakota]] ancestry.<ref name="Cartography">[http://marlac.myweb.uga.edu/UGA/index_files/TJ63.2.carlson.pdf ''Furry Cartography: Performing Species''] — essay by Marla Carlson in ''Theatre Journal'' Volume 63, Number 2, May 2011. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> He grew up in [[Wikipedia:Oscoda, Michigan|Oscoda, Michigan]], U.S.A.<ref name="Cartography"/> and from his earliest chhttp://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Stalking_Cat&action=editildhood he experienced a spiritual connection to all [[feline]] species, but particularly tigers.<ref name="Cartography"/> Around age ten, Stalking Cat was first named "Cat" by Grey Cloud, a [[Wikipedia:Medicine man|medicine man]] of his tribe.<ref name="BMERadio"/>

In an interview later in life with [[Wikipedia:Mark Dolan|Mark Dolan]], Stalking Cat would comment that virtually all his childhood friends were adults, he did not relate to children his own age, and he spent a lot of that time in the woods.<ref name="TWSPSAM4">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amnIt4y6YiM "The World's Strangest Plastic Surgery and Me HD 4/4"] on YouTube. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref> He would also reveal that he never really knew his father, and claim that his step-father was a child molester. When asked if he was a victim of his step-father, Cat replied, "Not to a great extent, but enough. I mean, I've got some mental trauma that'll never go away."

Stalking Cat graduated from [[Wikipedia:Oscoda Area Schools|Oscoda High School]] in 1977,<ref>[http://oscodahighschool.org/alumni/1792309/dennis-avner.html Dennis Avner] on oscodahighschool.org. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> and then served in the [[Wikipedia:United States Navy|United States Navy]] as a [[Wikipedia:Sonar Technician|Sonar Technician]].<ref name="Cartography"/>

==Californian years==

After his discharge from the navy in 1980, Stalking Cat worked as a computer technician in [[Wikipedia:San Diego|San Diego]], California, and it was at this time that he began his transformation project.<ref name="Cartography"/>

After his transformation, Stalking Cat's appearance made him a celebrity, and he travelled to many different countries, appearing at live events and on television programs. He was represented by Hollywood talent agent Chuck Harris,<ref>[http://www.latimes.com/la-tm-chuckharris03jan16,0,2704066.story?page=2 "Cirque du Chuck"] - article in the ''[[Wikipedia:Los Angeles Times|Los Angeles Times]]''. Dated January 16, 2005. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref> who typically negotiated a "minimum (of) $2,500 for a half day's work, up to $8,500".<ref>[http://www.scifinytt.se/forum/index.php?showtopic=2581 "Kat mannen ! Ewwwwwwwwwww :P"] - thread on http://www.scifinytt.se. Dated March 6, 2005. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref>

==Whidbey Island years==

Through informal fur-friendly gatherings of science-fiction fans in Southern California, Stalking Cat met [[Tess Calhoun|Tess the Red Pony]] and her husband Rick (a Boeing engineer), and moved north with them in 2005.<ref name="Cartography"/>

In 2006, Stalking Cat and Tess were on a flight to Chicago to attend Midwest FurFest 2006, when they met [http://marlac.myweb.uga.edu/UGA/index.html Marla Carlson], Assistant Professor of Theatre at the [[Wikipedia:University of Georgia|University of Georgia]].<ref name="Cartography"/> Around this time, Stalking Cat was working on a deal to market a Stalking Cat [[Wikipedia:action figure|action figure]],<ref>[http://stalkingcat.livejournal.com/1666.html "I will soon be an action figure"] - posting by Stalking Cat, on his LiveJournal. Dated August 30, 2006. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref> which did not materialize.<ref name="Cartography"/>

On March 5, 2007, Cat and Tess visited [[Wikipedia:Western Washington University|Western Washington University]] as guest speakers in the "interdisciplinary monster’s class".<ref>[http://as.wwu.edu/asreview/stalking-cat-how-one-man-changed-his-body-become/ "Stalking Cat: How one man changed his body become a cat"] - article in ''the AS review''. Dated March 12, 2007. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref> In April, Stalking Cat was interviewed by Professor Carlson for an article (''[[Furry Cartography: Performing Species]]'') that would be published in the ''[[Wikipedia:Theatre Journal|Theatre Journal]]'' in 2011. At the time of the interview, he was living on [[Wikipedia:Whidbey Island|Whidbey Island]] in Island County, Washington, with Tess and her husband. [[Fleet Wolf]] also lived in the house at that time. Prof Carlson's visit coincided with one of the household's monthly fur parties.<ref name="Cartography"/>

Stalking Cat was doing some work on the shared house, and had unsuccessfully sought computer-related work in the [[Wikipedia:Seattle|Seattle]] area. Because "expenses and dynamics became unworkable for this interesting household", Cat was asked to move out later that Summer.<ref name="Cartography"/>

==Nevada years==

After he left the Whidbey Island household, another friend from the furry fandom gave Stalking Cat a place to live in [[Wikipedia:Tonopah, Nevada|Tonopah, Nevada]], and a job in housing renovation.<ref name="Cartography"/>

In 2008, Stalking Cat would enter ''[[Wikipedia:Guinness World Records|Guinness World Records]]''<ref>[http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/its-a-weird-world/story-e6frep26-1111117540062 "It's a weird world of world records"] - article in ''[[Wikipedia:The Courier-Mail|The Courier-Mail]]. Dated September 21, 2008. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref> in the category of "most permanent transformations to look like an animal". This record was verified on the set of the Italian television show ''Lo show dei record'' on February 9, 2008.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHJK_biLNA "Most permanent transformations to look like an animal"] - video on the Guiness World Records account on YouTube. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref> In September the same year, Stalking Cat made a public appearance at the opening of the [[Wikipedia:Ripley's_Believe_It_Or_Not!#United_Kingdom|Ripley's Believe It Or Not! museum]] in London's [[Wikipedia:Piccadilly Circus|Piccadilly Circus]].<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pT7dqUmHFQ "Catman and Lizardman at Ripley's Believe It Or Not"] - video on [[YouTube]]. Uploaded September 4, 2008. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref><ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052934/Cat-Man--human-tiger-enjoys-climbing-trees-eats-raw-meat-day.html "Cat Man - the human 'tiger' who enjoys climbing trees and eats raw meat every day"] - article in the ''[[Wikipedia:Daily Mail|Daily Mail]]'' newspaper. Dated September 6, 2008. Retrieved November 14, 2012</ref>

By 2009, when Professor Carlson last spoke with Cat, his friend had moved on, work had dried up, and he was seeking clients as a home health aide.<ref name="Cartography"/>

Around 2010, Stalking Cat was interviewed by Mark Dolan for an episode of his documentary series ''The World's... and Me''. The episode, titled ''The World's Strangest Plastic Surgery and Me'', aired on April 12, 2010. At this time, Cat was making a living from public appearances and part-time work as a home-help for the elderly.<ref name="TWSPSAM3"/> During the interview, Stalking Cat indicated he was considering making money by selling his body to a museum to be displayed after his death.

Between May and July, 2010, a black and white marble bust of Stalking Cat featured at the [[Wikipedia:White Cube|White Cube]] (Hoxton Square) gallery in London, in an exhibition of the works of British artist [[Wikipedia:Marc Quinn|Marc Quinn]].<ref>[http://whitecube.com/exhibitions/marc_quinn_allanah_buck_catman_chelsea_michael_pamela_and_thomas_hoxton_square_2010/ Marc Quinn exhibition] on the website of the White Cube gallery. Retrieved November 17, 2012</ref>

== Death ==

Rumors of Stalking Cat's death began to circulate on [[Lulz.net]] on November 5, 2012. [[Oggywolf]] and [[bluecanary]] indicated in their [[Fur Affinity]] journals that they had contacted the [http://www.nyecountysheriff.net Nye County Sheriff]'s office in Tonopah, Nevada, USA, who confirmed Stalking Cat's passing.<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4018489/ "Stalking Cat ..... gone, but not forgotten."]- posting by Oggywolf on her Fur Affinity journal. Dated November 11, 2012 (retrieved November 12, 2012)</ref><ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4019101/ "Confirmed about Stalking Cat."] — posting by bluecanary on his Fur Affinity journal. Dated November 11, 2012. (retrieved November 12, 2012)</ref>

=== Mainstream news ===

Some mainstream news-sources contacted the Sheriff's office for verification beginning on November 13, 2012.<ref name="Huffington"/> Other news outlets started carrying the news of his passing after that.<ref>[http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/death-cat-man-probed-article-1.1201336?localLinksEnabled=false "'Cat Man’ found dead in Nevada, rumors of suicide"] ([[Wikipedia:Daily News (New York)|''Daily News'' (New York)]] (retrieved November 13, 2012)</ref><ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232523/Stalking-Cat-Daniel-Avner-dead-possible-suicide-years-transforming-face-look-like-feline.html "'Stalking Cat' Daniel Avner dead of possible suicide after years of transforming his face to look like a feline"] (''Daily Mail'',retrieved November 13, 2012)</ref><ref>[http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-other-side/stalking-cat-dennis-avner-whose-body-was-transformed-by-steve-haworth-into-a-tiger-found-dead/story-e6frfhk6-1226516606094 "Stalking Cat Dennis Avner whose body was transformed by Steve Haworth into a tiger found dead"] (The Melbourne ''[[Wikipedia:Herald-Sun|Herald-Sun]]'', retrieved November 14, 2012)</ref><ref>[http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/dennis-avner-dead-cat-man-1435103 ""Troubled and remarkable": 'Cat Man' Dennis Avner found dead at home in suspected suicide"] (The ''[[Wikipedia:Daily Mirror|Daily Mirror]]'', retrieved November 14, 2012)</ref>

== Physical transformation ==

Because they were easiest to arrange, Stalking Cat began his transformation by getting tattoos.<ref name="Cartography"/> Initially he had fish-scale tattoos on his arms and legs due to a connection he felt with aquatic species like [[Wikipedia:Porpoise|porpoises]].<ref name="BMERadio"/> Years later he got tiger stripes tattooed on his face, and, as a result, "got more in touch with (his) totem and who (he really was)".<ref name="BMERadio"/>

Stalking Cat had several [[Wikipedia:Body modification|body modifications]] performed.<ref name="BMERadio"/><ref name="TWSPSAM3">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmD0PJ9Myhk "The World's Strangest Plastic Surgery and Me HD 3/4"] on YouTube. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref> He had head, nose, and brow implants, and silicone cheek, chin, and lip injections. His ears were sculpted to make them more pointed, and the lobes relocated to make them more elongated.

Cat had his lip cleft to resemble the mouth of a [[cat]], and had the septum of his nose relocated to give a more flat, cat-like profile. He had six stainless-steel mounts implanted on his forehead and eighteen piercings above his lip to which he could attach whiskers.

In the United States, it is illegal for a medical professional to alter someone's appearance beyond what society deems "normal",<ref name="BBCBodyAndMind">[http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/articles/disorders/gallery/gallery_case2.shtml Stalking Cat] on "Science: Human Body & Mind" on the BBC website. Retrieved November 16, 2012</ref> so most of Cat's modifications were done by body-modification [[artist]] [[Wikipedia:Steve Haworth|Steve Haworth]], of [[Wikipedia:Phoenix, Arizona|Phoenix, Arizona]]. The same legal issues meant at least one procedure (injection of silicone) was done in [[Wikipedia:Mexico|Mexico]].<ref name="BMERadio"/> Cat had to brave surgery without pain relief, because of U.S. laws stating that only qualified doctors are licensed to administer anaesthetic.<ref name="BBCBodyAndMind"/>

Cat originally wanted to have his teeth reshaped and sharpened to look more cat-like, but his dentist refused to do the work.<ref name="BMERadio"/> As "years of drinking and drugging" had left his teeth in a poor state, Cat eventually had to have them fully removed and dentures fitted, and at that time his dentist helped him acquire dentures with cat fangs that were in excess of an inch long.

Stalking Cat grew his fingernails into long claws, which were strengthened by a layer of acrylic.<ref name="BMERadio"/> He wore contact lenses with slitted pupils, and sometimes an animatronic tail.

Cat's tail was built by [[Wolf Tail]], of WolfTronix.<ref>[http://www.wolftronix.com/tiger/tiger.htm Animatronic Tiger's Tail] on WolfTronix. Retrieved November 19, 2012</ref> During Cat's phone-in interview on the [[Funday PawPet Show]] in May, 2002, he mentioned that he was looking for someone who could build an animatronic tail for him.<ref name="PawPet124">[http://pawpet.tv/episode_124 Episode 124] of the [[Funday PawPet Show]]. Retrieved November 16, 2012</ref> [[Techwolf]], one of the viewers who was also in the show's IRC channel, knew of WolfTronix because its website ran on his server, and he pointed it out to Stalking Cat who in turn got in contact with Wolf Tail. The tail was completed in about one month. Stalking Cat was flown out to Wolf's home in Indianapolis by German television station [[Wikipedia:ProSieben|ProSieben]], who filmed Wolf giving the tail to Stalking Cat before going on a day-long video shoot around downtown Indianapolis.

Stalking Cat's transformations were estimated by some to have cost more than $200,000,<ref name="SeattleTimes"/> but Cat himself lost track of the expenses. He had planned to have implants inserted into the top of his head so he could attach cat ears.

== Media appearances ==
[[File:Flesh and Blood poster.jpg|right|thumb|''Flesh & Blood'' poster]]
=== Filmography ===

*[http://www.grbtv.com GRB Entertainment]
**2007 — ''Flesh & Blood'' (himself)<ref name="SC-IMDB"/>

=== Television ===

* ''[[Wikipedia:Ripley's Believe It or Not!|Ripley's Believe It or Not!]]'' (episode #2.11, April 25, 2001)<ref name="SC-IMDB">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1556253/ Dennis Avner] on the Internet Movie Database. Retrieved November 10, 2012</ref>
* ''[[Wikipedia:Larry King Live|Larry King Live]]'' (episode of January 3, 2002).<ref name="SC-IMDB"/>
* ''[[Anna in Wonderland]]'', a BBC documentary in July 2002, which had a half-hour segment about furries.
* ''[[Wikipedia:Russian Roulette (game show)|Russian Roulette]]'' (American game show; 2002 Halloween episode).<ref>[http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/elvira-mistress-of-the-dark-hosts-game-show-networks-three-hour-halloween-themed-primetime-programming-marathon-hollywood-scares-saturday-october-26-from-9pm-12am-et-76114842.html "Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, Hosts Game Show Network's Three-Hour Halloween-Themed Primetime Programming Marathon"] on prnewswire.com. Retrieved November 10, 2012</ref><ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDVs6747oc "Russian Roulette: Halloween Episode (1 of 4)"] — video on [[YouTube]]. Uploaded December 22, 2007. Retrieved November 10, 2012</ref>
* ''Ripley's Believe It or Not!'' (episode #3.1, December 18, 2002)<ref name="SC-IMDB">[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1556253/ Dennis Avner] on the Internet Movie Database. Retrieved November 10, 2012</ref>
* ''[[Wikipedia:Arabella (show)|Arabella]]'' (2002 or 2003; German talk show).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3mi27T4ZII "Catman"] - video clip from ''Arabella'' on YouTube. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref>
* ''[[Wikipedia:Jensen!|Jensen!]]'' (2007; Dutch talk show).<ref>[http://stalkingcat.livejournal.com/1864.html "Hi from amsterdam"] - posting on Stalking Cat's LiveJournal. Datred April 8, 2007. Retrieved November 15, 2012</ref>
* ''[[Wikipedia:Weird, True & Freaky|Weird, True & Freaky]]'' (episode "Humanimals"; December 16, 2008)<ref name="SC-IMDB"/>
* ''The World's Strangest Plastic Surgery and Me'' (April 12, 2010)<ref name="SC-IMDB"/><ref>[http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-worlds-and-me/episode-guide/series-3/episode-4 ''The World's Strangest Plastic Surgery and Me''] on Britain's channel four. Retrieved November 10, 2012</ref>

===Print media===

* [http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-1569-cat-match-fever.html "Cat Match Fever"] (''[[Wikipedia:San Diego CityBeat|San Diego CityBeat]]'', April 28, 2004)
* [http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050816&slug=catman16 "Catman's transformation raises concerns over extreme surgery"] (''[[Wikipedia:The Seattle Times|The Seattle Times]]'', August 16, 2005)
* [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1052934/Cat-Man--human-tiger-enjoys-climbing-trees-eats-raw-meat-day.html "Cat Man - the human 'tiger' who enjoys climbing trees and eats raw meat every day"] (The ''[[Wikipedia:Daily Mail|Daily Mail]]'', September 6, 2008)
* [http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/1656320/Cat-Man-Dennis-Avner-is-star-of-Ripleys-believe-it-or-not-show.html "I used to be a bloke but I'm all right MIAOW"] (''[[Wikipedia:The Sun (United Kingdom)|The Sun]]''. September 6, 2008)

== Stalking Cat and furry ==

In 2000, Stalking Cat attended a furry event at a [[science-fiction]] convention, where he "felt comfortable with other people for the first time".<ref name="Cartography"/> He regularly attended conventions, and was the fan [[guest of honor]] at [[RainFurrest 2007]]. He was the Cabaret Lead at [[Califur 4]] (2008) and [[Califur 5]] (2009).<ref>[http://tanuke.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/last-week-to-pre-register-for-califur-5/ "Last week to pre-register for Califur 5"] — posting on tanuke.wordpress.com. Dated April 29, 2009. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref>

=== Convention and event attendance ===

* [[Califur]] - [[Califur 1|2005]],<ref>[http://www.myspace.com/viperman200221/photos/6693568 "Me and Stalking Cat at CaliFur. God this pic is old."] — image on the [[Myspace]] account of "Viperman, aka Chris". Dated May 21, 2005. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Califur 2|2006]],<ref>[http://www.flickr.com/photos/changa_lion/142551345/in/set-72057594128678832 "Mark and Stalking Cat"] — image of [[Changa Lion]]'s flickr gallery, in Califur 2.2 set. Dated Nay 7, 2006. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Califur 3|2007]],<ref>[http://sonic626.deviantart.com/journal/Califur-Convention-Report-240388450 "Califur Convention Report"] — report on the deviantART journal of Sonic626. Dated May 7, 2007. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> 2008, 2009
* [[CritterConDiego]] - 2002<ref>[https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.fan.furry/3y3SvptslSU/pmp712BwnbMJ "HA HA ON YOU FURRIES....."] - posting by [[Michael Hirtes]] on [[alt.fan.furry]]. Dated August 5, 2002. Retrieved November 17, 2012</ref>
* [[FurBQ]] - 2003<ref>[http://alohawolf.dreamwidth.org/206511.html "FurBQ 2003 Images"] - posting by [[Alohawolf]] on dreamwidth.org. Dated June 6, 2010. Retrieved November 13, 2012</ref>
* [[Further Confusion]] - [[Further Confusion 2006|2006]],<ref name="SC-LJ1360">[http://stalkingcat.livejournal.com/1360.html "it has been a while"] — posting on Stalking Cat's LiveJournal. Dated January 31, 2006. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Further Confusion 2010|2010]]<ref>[http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3593644/ "FC2010 Gold Rush 17"] — posting on [[Qubi]]'s gallery on Fur Affinity. Dated March 22, 2010. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref>
* [[Megaplex]] - [[Megaplex 4|2005]]<ref>[http://www.furryteens.org/forum/index.php?topic=3538.msg75941#msg75941 "Re: Would you like to become your fursona?"] - posting by [[Natasha Softpaw]] on furryteens.org. Dated August 21, 2008. Retrieved November 16, 2012</ref>
* [[Midwest FurFest]] - [[Midwest FurFest 2002|2002]],<ref>[http://www.runningwolfpack.com/mff2002/sunday.html "MFF 2002 - Sunday"] on runningwolfpack.com. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Midwest FurFest 2003|2003]],<ref>[http://con_report.livejournal.com/4788.html "Old Repost - Midwest FurFest 2003"] - entry on [[Freaky Lynx]]'s LiveJournal. Dated June 27, 2006. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Midwest FurFest 2004|2004]],<ref>[http://fossilizedart-conventions.buzznet.com/user/photos/fossil-stalking-cat/?id=719631 "Con photos from Bonk and Fossil's anthro tour 2004"] on fossilizedart-conventions.buzznet.com. Dated December 12, 2004. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Midwest FurFest 2005|2005]],<ref name="SC-LJ1360"/> [[Midwest FurFest 2006|2006]],<ref>[http://www.flayrah.com/3057/greenreapers-midwest-furfest-2006-con-report "GreenReaper's Midwest FurFest 2006 con report"] - article by [[GreenReaper]], on [[Flayrah]]. Dated December 20, 2006. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Midwest FurFest 2007|2007]],<ref>[http://li-tak.livejournal.com/47203.html "Midwest Furfest 2007"] - posting on [[Takala]]'s LiveJournal. Dated November 26, 2007. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref> [[Midwest FurFest 2008|2008]]<ref>[http://www.jovinamask.com/furry/Conventions/MidwestFF_2008/sunday01.htm Midwest Furfest 2008] on jovinamask.com. Retrieved November 12, 2012</ref>
* [[RainFurrest]] - 2007

In 2002, Stalking Cat's website was reviewed on episode #124 (May 26) of the Funday PawPet Show.<ref name="PawPet124"/> Cat phoned in to the show, and, after a brief interview, played their quiz "So You Want To Win Nothing And Like It" and fielded questions from the audience.

== References ==
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== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Stalking Cat|Stalking Cat]] on [[Wikipedia]]
* [[Anna in Wonderland]] (around 20 minutes in/part 3)

== External links ==
{{flayrah|node1=932|title1=Stalking Cat (Dennis Avner) to appear at CritterConDiego 3|node2=4432|title2=Stalking Cat confirmed dead at 54}}
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20110208125552/http://www.stalkingcat.net/ Stalkingcat.net] - Dennis Avner's personal website (archived on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. Dated February 8, 2011)
* [https://www.facebook.com/dennis.avner.9 Dennis Avner] on [[Facebook]]
* [http://www.livejournal.com/users/stalkingcat/ Dennis Avner] on [[LiveJournal]]
* [http://www.myspace.com/63369680 Stalking Cat] on [[myspace]]
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1556253/ Dennis Avner] on [http://www.imdb.com/ IMDb]
* [http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/articles/disorders/gallery/gallery_case2.shtml Stalking Cat] on [http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/articles/disorders/gallery/gallery_case2.shtml BBC's Human Body and Mind]

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Talk:Jwoulf

2007-05-29T07:21:40Z

Lironess:

User talk:Lironess

2007-05-29T01:29:46Z

Lironess:

Hey - I have cleaned up your public article to the standard of other articles here. However, since this removed most of your written info, I moved the original version to your user page. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 01:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Looks good to me....:)

Lironess

2007-05-29T01:15:48Z

Lironess:

{{cleanup}}
'''Brianna''' is a therian black leopard.

From a very young age I would wish with all of my heart that I could change, permanently into first a black cat, then later when I grew up a bit, into a black leopard. This was a BIG issue for me for many many years. When the movie "Cat People" came out in the 80's I was waiting with bated breath because for me, this was a movie about something that I had always wanted. It was almost PORN!!!! Woo hoo! Watch it, it is a great movie, great naked scenes and excellent TF for the time. It also has a LOT of furry related dialog.

Later I came to the realization that I was always going to be a human, not matter what I wished or how hard I tried to change into any animal.

I was then later heavily in denial of my very furryness, to the point that when I finally discovered the furry community, I hung around mostly in hopes of getting costume commissions. (I am a professional costumer, along with being an administrative assistant.) This condition lasted for a while, and part of me was PISSED that I had not found this group years earlier, because I would have saved me from a lot of heartwrenching emo in forcing myself to be someone that I am not.

But, hey, I am back again, and acknowledge my furryness once again, and have a name for it now, and hang around with a great group of people that understand where I am comming from.

I am sometimes also known as Lironess. This was a kind of default name that I picked when I got my very first email address, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

I am also known as Woulfrider as I am mated to jwoulf. Even so, I am also a lap hopper and a cuddlebunny and I give free hugs and scritches.

If you are ever in need of a cat, I will have one on hand, but screen prospective new owners carefully. They are all wonderful cool full of personality cats and I love every one, I just have too many.

Well, that is it for now, you can read my LJ profile under lironess if you would like, but my journal is mostly friends only.

This article will be cleaned up as soon as time permits....

{{Contributor|Lironess}}

[[Category:People]]
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Lironess

2007-05-29T01:08:15Z

Lironess: New page: Well, the first thing that you will notice about me is that I am somewhat of a non conformist, hence this will be in first person. I am a cat lady, and a therian black leopard. From a ...

Well, the first thing that you will notice about me is that I am somewhat of a non conformist, hence this will be in first person.

I am a cat lady, and a therian black leopard.

From a very young age I would wish with all of my heart that I could change, permanently into first a black cat, then later when I grew up a bit, into a black leopard. This was a BIG issue for me for many many years. When the movie "Cat People" came out in the 80's I was waiting with bated breath because for me, this was a movie about something that I had always wanted. It was almost PORN!!!! Woo hoo! Watch it, it is a great movie, great naked scenes and excellent TF for the time. It also has a LOT of furry related dialog.

Later I came to the realization that I was always going to be a human, not matter what I wished or how hard I tried to change into any animal.

I was then later heavily in denial of my very furryness, to the point that when I finally discovered the furry community, I hung around mostly in hopes of getting costume commissions. (I am a professional costumer, along with being an administrative assistant.) This condition lasted for a while, and part of me was PISSED that I had not found this group years earlier, because I would have saved me from a lot of heartwrenching emo in forcing myself to be someone that I am not.

But, hey, I am back again, and acknowledge my furryness once again, and have a name for it now, and hang around with a great group of people that understand where I am comming from.

I am sometimes also known as Lironess. This was a kind of default name that I picked when I got my very first email address, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

I am also known as Woulfrider as I am mated to jwoulf. Even so, I am also a lap hopper and a cuddlebunny and I give free hugs and scritches.

If you are ever in need of a cat, I will have one on hand, but screen prospective new owners carefully. They are all wonderful cool full of personality cats and I love every one, I just have too many.

Well, that is it for now, you can read my LJ profile under lironess if you would like, but my journal is mostly friends only.

Talk:Jwoulf

2007-05-29T00:33:34Z

Lironess: