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Eat All Furries

2006-12-24T20:25:05Z

Krishva: fixed url + removed inaccurate info about Agahnim

[[Image:Eaf-logo.gif|right|300px|thumb|EAF logo (Twigfox and Buttbear, and the Purple Monster)]]

'''Eat All Furries''' (also known as '''EAF''') is an [[antifurries|anti furry]] forum hosted on [[Ezboard]] that enjoyed some degree of infamy within the [[furry fandom]] from early 2003 to late 2004. The same name is often used to refer to the collective group of members of the forum.

*'''Addresses''':
**'''Website''': http://p087.ezboard.com/beatallfurries
**'''LiveJournal''': http://community.livejournal.com/eat_all_furries/ (deleted)
**'''[[Wikipedia:IRC|IRC]]''': ?
*'''Founder''': [[Singing Circus Dog]]
*'''Administrators''': Singing Circus Dog, [[Tensai Nezumi]]
*'''Ran from/to''':
**2003 - 2004
**October 3rd, 2006 - Present

Like most, if not all, "anti furry" message boards and websites, a great deal of its founders and members are or were associated with the furry fandom, whether as artists or fans. Though the group was frequently accused of being bigoted against furries, EAF claimed to have no agenda apart from making fun of "strange and silly behavior" on the part of furry fans.

==History==

The first public appearance of "Eat All Furries" was as a small, single web page filled with ridiculous and outlandish claims about furry fans. Ironically, this page was hosted on [http://www.eternalrain.net/ Eternal Rain], a fansite that was created for [[Freya Crescent]], a demi-human character of furry interest from the [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy|Final Fantasy]] series of video-games. Spawned from an inside joke, the page's title was "EAT ALL FURRIES!" and caused a considerable amount of dramatics on a web forum belonging to the page's owner, Tensai Nezumi, a friend of Singing Circus Dog.

EAF as a standalone entity came to being as a separate community in 2003 when Singing Circus Dog created a [[LiveJournal]] journal intended to make fun of what the EAF group considered to be the less appealing aspects of the furry fandom. In particular, posting links to "furry [[LOLocaust]]s" were favored forms of entertainment. The community was deleted in early 2004 by LiveJournal administration following complaints from users.

Shortly afterward, EAF reappeared as an ezboard forum, which became popular, defying the attempts of various detractors to have it shut down (one notable attempt being based on the claim that, since it made fun of furries, it was therefore a "gay bashing" board.)

Toward the latter days of EAF, banning (a previously untouched course of action) was employed to dispose of users deemed particularly tiresome, whether furry or anti-furry. In its last few weeks of existence, [[Stiv]] was granted administrative power and proceeded to ban every user in the forum save a few core members. Generally, the assumption was that the forum had been hacked; however, Singing Circus Dog publicly refuted this assertion.

The forum was finally locked down on September 11, 2004 by the administrators themselves, the opening graphic replaced by an animated [[Wikipedia:MS Paint|MS Paint]] image of a crying [[wolf]] flying into the [[Wikipedia:World Trade Center|World Trade Center]]. This appears to have been planned greatly in advance and was likely the result of the administrators getting tired of "serious" anti-furries showing up on the forum.

==Mascots/logo==
[[Image:EAF_Purple_Monster.gif|left|100px|The "Purple Monster"]][[Image:EAFMascot.jpg|right|100px|Singing Circus Dog's avatar]]
Eat All Furries had two flagship characters: the seemingly-spherical "mascot" '''Purple Monster''', and the head administrator's mysterious avatar, the '''Singing Circus Dog'''. [[Stiv]] also became a pivotal and iconic figure in the latter days of EAF.

For a short time, the banner image of the EAF forum featured two human figures wearing animal ears and tails. These two human characters with furry costume parts were known as '''Twigfox''' and '''Buttbear'''.

==Aftermath==

Immediately following the closing of EAF, [[Agahnim]], a self-proclaimed enemy of the board, claimed that he and [[Cool Kovu]] had spammed and hacked the forum, causing its fall. This is generally understood to be false.

Most of EAF's core membership were invited to join [[COTI]] at some point during EAF's existence. Some EAF members, such as [[rootdown]] and Stiv, were recruited to EAF from COTI. Much of the original COTI/EAF conglomeration remain cohorts to this day.

==The present==

On the 3rd of October, 2006, the EAF forum was reactivated by its original administrator, Tensai Nezumi, under his EAF handle of '''Nivalis Capistrum'''.

[[Category:Websites]]
[[Category:Anti-furries]]

Singing Circus Dog

2006-12-24T20:18:01Z

Krishva: Hi guys let's keep these identities separate shall we (by wikifur precedent this is acceptable)

'''Singing Circus Dog''' was the iconic administrator on the [[Eat All Furries]] forum. She is now a member of [[COTI]].

The name is currently in use on LiveJournal by the same person, but its owner goes by a different username on most other online services.

==External links==

*[http://www.livejournal.com/users/sngingcircusdog/ The Mysterious Singing Circus Dog] - LiveJournal

{{person-stub}}
[[Category:People]][[Category:Anti-furries]][[Category:COTI-ites]]

Funny animal

2006-11-22T00:59:36Z

Krishva: A little bit of a rewrite to get info to flow better, shuffled things around, removed some stuff that looked like rambling

'''Funny animal''' is a cartooning term for a type of [[comics]] and [[animated cartoon]]s in which the main characters are [[humanoid]] or [[talking animal|talking]] animals. An animal character in such a cartoon may also be called a '''funny animal'''.

As a rule, funny animals are usually stylized cartoon characters, in keeping with the origin of the term. Realistic renderings of werewolves or other human/animal hybrids are generally excluded from this category.

While most funny animal stories are light-hearted and humorous, the genre is not exclusively comedic. Dark or serious stories featuring [[anthropomorphic]] animals are also sometimes grouped under the "funny animals" category. These stories may intersect with any other genre or group of genre, including historical stories, [[science fiction]], Westerns, slapstick comedy, children's entertainment, and satire.

== Are funny animals the same as [[furry]] characters? ==

The use of the word "furry" for anthropomorphic animal characters begin in the 1980s and was becoming common on the Internet by 1990, when the newsgroup ''alt.fan.furry'' was created for "fans of funny animals, ala [[Steve Gallacci]]'s book." However, some [[:Category:Comic artists|cartoonists]] and other artists prefer the original term, either because they feel it better describes their work or because they dislike being associated with the [[furry fandom]].

Opinions vary on whether "funny animal" and "furry" signify different types of characters and artwork. Generally, the categories are not thought to be mutually inclusive ''or'' exclusive. That is, some (but not all) furries are funny animals, and vice versa.

However, there are some more extreme perspectives on the topic. Some insist that "funny animal" is simply a euphemism for "furry," with no distinction between the two; others believe that the two types of animal character are completely distinct. In the latter case, mainstream cartoon characters such as [[Garfield]], [[Wikipedia:Hobbes (Calvin and Hobbes)|Hobbes]] of ''[[Wikipedia:Calvin and Hobbes|Calvin and Hobbes]]'', the [[Wikipedia:Looney Tunes|Looney Tunes]] cast, and [[Mickey Mouse]] would be considered funny animals, not furries. Some also believe that "furry" signifies only sexual characters, artwork, and stories, or those dealing with dark, mature topics.

{{wikipedia|Funny animal}}

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Krishva

2006-11-20T23:15:58Z

Krishva: Removed inaccurate information and made existing information more concise

Krishva

2005-11-08T04:09:24Z

Krishva: remove accusations and disputed notice (the old argument that involved this notice is apparently dead)

Talk:Krishva

2005-09-24T17:10:22Z

Krishva: /* Krishva's Previous Behavior */

==NPOV dispute==
Those are pretty serious accusations of vandalising pages on Wikipedia. I think it would be appropriate to ask for links to the diffs in which each page was allegedly vandalized. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 16:10, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Both rootdown and al need to back off this article before a revert war. Will someone third party who is unconnected to this please edit it ? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:32, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I think you called that a little too soon -- to me, it seems that the article is evolving naturally, without virtrol from me towards Rootdown, nor vice versa. We'll get to a concensus in a few more edits. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 16:34, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I have no problem with Alfameta's recent addition, and he didn't change mine, he only elaborated on it, so I don't think there's going to be a problem. --[[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 16:35, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Okay. SOrry :) I was just going off of the previous unsolicited warnings that alma gave to Krishva on her user talk page, and was concerned that there might be some history that would give an unfair article. My apologies.. [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 16:37, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::It looks like [[User:Almafeta]] has removed some significant facts about me (such as my modest popularity as a Yerf artist--I am still occasionally asked about it by strangers, so I wouldn't say it's a non-notable point) and added some misinformation, such as accusations of vandalism on wikipedia. Emphasis has also been placed on my involvement with EAF, as if to say that was my primary involvement (when I was in fact a very active furry artist for about five years). I suspect that [[User:Almafeta]] has a very strong bias that he is letting get in the way of writing an impartial article, considering his recent history of accusations against me on wikipedia. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 03:25, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Accuracy Disputed ==
Okay, what are the facts that you find are in dispute on this page, alfameta? [[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 03:57, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:The blaring errors:
:#Krishva does not have any relation with the furry fandom. Attacking something does not make you part of it.
:#Krisvha is/was an administrator at EAF; [http://dave.asshat.ca/aggie/aggietxt.txt 5 seconds of google shows this] (line near the bottom, krishva's e-mail addy is the admin's). (I don't reccomend you google 'Krishva', by the way; I now know more RL information about her than I ever want to know.)
:#Krisvha was not acting in concensus to move [[Furry]] to [[Furry Fandom]] over at Wikipedia; she had formed her 'concensus' with [[Stiv]] (another admin at EAF) and Grumpyhan. Before Krishva started replacing links to <nowiki>[[furry]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>[[furry fandom|furry]]</nowiki>, there were about 500 pages linking to 'furry', and 80 linking to 'furry fandom'.
:I'm of a mind that people should never edit their own articles; I'll never edit my article (excluding a revert if someone replaces does something like replace the text with 'mudbiscuits'). This is a case in point why people should not modify their own articles. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 04:14, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::She was on YERF. This is established. You can be part of a community and still "attack" it, this is established by the cliques and what not inside furry and the rampant cross attacking that occurs. As for her editing her own article, I agree.. but I also think that you have a bias history against her and should not be editing her article either. How about we let a third party, neutral, edit this article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 04:42, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I'd rather not be accused of bias. -_-;

::::Well . . . I think we all would, but if you ''do'' have a history with some particular person, is it really best to be working on pages about them? Would you want them editing pages about you? --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:22, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Anyhow, I think [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Krishva&oldid=8090 this edit] was perfectly good; I fact-checked the article, Rootdown (a friend of hers) made the tone more positive, I added one line of clarification, and we called it done. I played one side, he played the other, and between us we made a good, neutral article. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 04:50, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I tend to think that a chat log of [[Agahnim]] soliciting hackers to attack people he fantasizes are out to hurt him doesn't really constitute verifiable evidence, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.
::Out of curiosity, what "real life information" did you find that frightened you? All I'm seeing is Wikipedia-related stuff, old and kind of embarrassing artwork, old internet forum and guestbook activity, and something I wrote when I was 12. Nothing really fishy there. :)
::Generally I assumed a person has a right to correct or remove libelous information from a page about them. As Almafeta also removed valid information and insinuated I was some kind of no-good, I felt I had a right to re-add the missing information. On the wikipedia issue: the consensus at the time was all active editors--there were a few others besides those you mention, Almafeta, and they all agreed about the course of action. No one voiced disagreement until the article was actually moved. That can hardly be called "against the general consensus."
::If the accusations are phrased as just that--accusations--rather than undeniable truths, I am completely fine with having them there and will not remove them.
::As an aside, I don't consider myself much of an anti-furry, but as I can see why I might be placed in that category, I will not remove it flat out. After we get the accuracy thing straightened out, we can discuss how anti-furry I actually am and whether I should be in that category. :) --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 06:18, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
== Krishva's Previous Behavior ==
Since these points haven't been addressed, I thought folks might want to be aware of Krishva's previous behavior on Wikipedia:
* Krishva began making a series of dubious edits on Wikipedia and attempting to get misinformation incorporated into the articles related to furry fandom.
* A quick google search revealed a rather damning admission from Krishva on DeviantArt that she "liked to make fun of and mess with" furries, because "it's so easy to get the priceless reaction I'm going for."
* When her previous behavior was pointed out as her motivation for trying to get misinformation incorporated into Wikipedia articles, she called in her Team COTI cronies to gang up on anyone who disagreed with her.
* After claiming her intentions were good, Krishva then proceeded with a campaign of systematically removing any references to furry fandom from numerous articles on Wikipedia.
Feel free to tell me I'm "taking things too seriously", but I think if Krishva doesn't want to be considered an anti-furry, she shouldn't go around gleefully proclaiming what fun it is to troll and bait furries, and instead start taking things a little more seriously herself.

:As [[User:Dmuth]] stated above, this article would be vastly improved with links to some of the diffs from Wikipedia, as well as links to the discussion pages in question.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 11:18, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::[[Image:Krishva-maximum-amusement.gif]]
::Some notes:
::* Along Krishva's "friends who are furries" are Stiv and Prangton (from [[COTI]]), and Grumpyhan (from [[Eat All Furries]]). These are the folks she called in as backup during her Wikipedia editing spree.
::* Some of the things Krishva wanted to include in the article about furry fandom: Societal quirks such as "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Furry&diff=prev&oldid=13047739 Extreme introversion, mild autistic syndromes such as Asperger's, a tendancy toward paraphilias, and other psychological issues are more visibly common among furries]" and that there are "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Furry&diff=prev&oldid=13073497 a disturbingly large number of visible weirdos/crazies in the furry fandom]." No statistics or evidence of any sort were provided to support her claims, but she insisted it was relevant and argued for its inclusion even though it was unsupported. She also wanted to add information on so-called "furry fetishes," even though these fetishes were not limited to furry fans, and the number of furry fans who engaged in them was statistically insignificant.
::* Krishva's campaign of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talking_animal&diff=prev&oldid=13083633 removing references to furry fandom] in any article related to furry fandom [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Funny_animal&diff=prev&oldid=13365535 betrays her strongly-biased intentions] on Wikipedia: To ensure articles about "funny animals" are about anthropomorphic animals and cartooning, and the articles about "furry fandom" are about those people you saw on [[CSI]] or [[Sex2K]].
::* Despite her claims that she's not looking to stir up drama, it's obvious my continuing efforts to counter misinformation are giving Krishva the "priceless reaction" she's going for—I've already been mentioned on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], [[Crush Yiff Destroy]], and the [[COTI]] [http://www.stupidhappy.com/coti/forum/index.php message board] (My adoring public! [http://www.livejournal.com/users/solidbox/93751.html They can't get enough of me!]) as a result.
::In closing, I'd like to say it's truly an honor to have these guys tell me I'm "taking the internet too seriously" by making sure sites like Wikipedia and WikiFur remain free of misinformation. It's a thankless job, but someone's gotta do it. -=) —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 21:48, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Xydexx, I would appreciate if you would stop trying to SPREAD MISINFORMATION about me. :) :) :) Wikipedia is not FURRYPEDIA and that is my reason for toning down or removing references to furry fandom in articles that don't really concern it except in a "furry fans may like this particular thing" sense (that would be like saying "otaku often really like this movie/TV show" in every anime article--it goes without saying). As you might notice, my contributions to articles here on Wikifur have all been positive, so I fail to see your point in accusing me of shit-stirring and making me out to be some kind of extreme hater who cannot ever write a serious or neutral article regarding furries.
:::I don't list everything you've ever done that I've found obnoxious in your article, and I would appreciate if you would have the same respect for me. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 02:46, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::I appreciate your hard work, Xydexx, and wouldn't wish the task you've undertaken on anyone... but all you've done is attracted Krishva's attention again. :/ [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 12:16, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::Almafeta, this whole debacle actually attracted my attention in such a way that I contacted Xydexx and attempted to resolve the situation. He seemed receptive and flexible at least when I had a conversation with him. I hope I have convinced him that warning people against me is unnecessary, at least at such great length.
::::This article should focus on my activities as they pertain to furry fandom, and Wikipedia is really just a footnote in that category, best categorized as "Krishva has made a number of disputed edits in furry-related articles on Wikipedia, which she claimed had good intent; however, a few users doubted her intent on the basis of her having made fun of furries in the past. Her most vocal opponents were Xydexx and Almafeta." --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 17:10, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Krishva

2005-09-24T02:46:04Z

Krishva: /* Krishva's Previous Behavior */

SOF

2005-09-01T02:37:42Z

Krishva: fixed some of my typos

'''SOF''' was an acronym for the "'''Save Our [[furry fandom|Fandom]]!'''" movement. Created in the early 1990s, it is considered by many to be the earliest incarnation of the furry [[conservatism]] that would eventually lead to the creation of the first [[anti-furry]] groups. They advocated the expulsion of such early "fringe elements" as furry [[lifestylers]], and [[gay]] furries from the fandom and were the first to suggest to the heads of furry [[convention]]s the curbing of the nascent, but rapidly growing, furry [[pornography]] that was quickly filling the early [[BBS]] boards and convention art panels.

Their proposed goal was to return the furry fandom to the early, and Fabled "[[Golden Age of Furrydom]]," a time that was often joked about by the group's detractors, who believed such an age never existed and could not be chronologically placed in the fandom's [[history]].

SOF disappeared around 1995. Members called themselves '''SOF Furs'''.
Some of the most radical members use to use the moniker "Shove Off, Faggots!" for their group.

==See also==
*[[AWFR]]
*[[PVF]]
*[[Burned Furs]]
*[[Fursecution]]
*[[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]
*[[Something Awful]]
*[[Eat All Furries]]
*[[VCL_Horrors]]

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Ideological groups]]

SOF

2005-09-01T02:36:56Z

Krishva: copyedit and NPOV

'''SOF''' was an acronym for the "'''Save Our [[furry fandom|Fandom]]!'''" movement. Created in the early 1990s, it is considered by many to be the earliest incarnation of the furry [[onservatism]] that would eventually lead to the creation of the first [[anti-furry]] groups. They advocated the expulsion of such early "fringe elements" as furry [[lifestylers]], and [[gay]] furries from the fandom and were the first to suggest to the heads of furry [[conventions]]s the curbing of the nascent, but rapidly growing, furry [[pornography]] that was quickly filling the early [[BBS]] boards and convention art panels.

Their proposed goal was to return the furry fandom to the early, and Fabled "[[Golden Age of Furrydom]]," a time that was often joked about by the group's detractors, who believed such an age never existed and could not be chronologically placed in the fandom's [[history]].

SOF disappeared around 1995. Members called themselves '''SOF Furs'''.
Some of the most radical members use to use the moniker "Shove Off, Faggots!" for their group.

==See also==
*[[AWFR]]
*[[PVF]]
*[[Burned Furs]]
*[[Fursecution]]
*[[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]
*[[Something Awful]]
*[[Eat All Furries]]
*[[VCL_Horrors]]

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Ideological groups]]

PVF

2005-09-01T02:29:16Z

Krishva: copyedit

After the demise of [[SOF]], the '''PVF''' ('''Plain Vanilla Furs'''), appeared in the [[furry]] scene. Still considered to be more of a [[conservatism]] than [[anti-furry]] group, it was created in 1996 by [[Sidian]], and it was a perfect carbon copy of the [[SOF]] movement. It lasted only one year.

==See also==
*[[AWFR]]
*[[SOF]]
*[[Burned Furs]]
*[[Fursecution]]
*[[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]
*[[Something Awful]]
*[[Eat All Furries]]
*[[VCL_Horrors]]

[[Category:Anti-furries]]
[[Category:Ideological groups]]

Dark tourism

2005-09-01T02:16:07Z

Krishva:

'''Atrocity tourism''' is a phrase commonly used to describe the practice of intentionally visiting websites or viewing artwork that the viewer finds objectionable. A person who engages in atrocity tourism is sometimes called an '''atrocity tourist'''.

While atrocity tourism is not limited by any means to [[furry]]-related websites, the large amount of negative attention some furry sites have received by atrocity tourists has led some furries to categorize the activity as [[anti-furry]].

{{stub}}
==See also==
*[[Something Awful]]
*[[Portal of Evil]]
*[[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]
*[[Eat All Furries]]

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[[Category:Anti-furries]]

Blacksad

2005-08-28T08:29:13Z

Krishva: fix links to wikipedia

'''''Blacksad''''' is a French [[wikipedia:comic book|comic book]] series created by writer [[Juan Diaz Canales]] and artist [[Juanjo Guarnido]], former Spanish animators at the now defunct French branch of [[wikipedia:Walt Disney Feature Animation|Walt Disney Feature Animation]]. The first volume, titled ''Quelque part entre les ombres'' in France and simply ''Blacksad'' in the United States, was published in November 2000 by [[wikipedia:Dargaud|Dargaud]], the largest French comic book publisher.

Though it was the creators' first attempt at a comic book, the first volume saw immense success, selling more than 20,000 copies in France. The book was quickly translated to German, English, and Spanish as well. Juanjo Guarnido received a large number of prizes for his impressive, lavish visualisation of the story. Juan Diaz Canales received several prizes as well, among these three nominations for the [[wikipedia:Eisner Award|Eisner Award]]s in 2004.

In the wake of success, the two creators published a book about the creation of the first volume, entitled ''Les dessous de l'enquête''. In March 2003 the second volume of the series, ''Arctic Nation'', was published.

==Setting and characters==

The story is set in a ''[[wikipedia:film noir|film noir]]'' environment, in something that looks like the USA of the [[wikipedia:1940s|1940s]]. All of the characters are [[anthropomorphic]] animals, their specific species reflecting their personality and their part in the story. The [[wikipedia:hero|hero]] is a [[wikipedia:private investigator|private investigator]] black [[cat]] by the name of Blacksad.

==Plot==
===Volume 1===
In the first volume of the series he is confronted with the [[wikipedia:murder|murder]] of an ex-lover, a famous [[wikipedia:actor|actress]]. In his pursuit of justice he is forced to confront a powerful [[wikipedia:businessman|businessman]] who thinks himself above the law.

===Volume 2===
The series' hero, Blacksad, gets involved with a extremist organization of [[wikipedia:arctic|arctic]] animals, called Arctic Nation. The story in this volume is an allegory dealing with [[wikipedia:racism|racism]].

== External links ==
*[http://www.lesdessousduchat.com Blacksad site] (French only)

[[Category:Comic books]]

Anti-furry

2005-08-28T08:06:31Z

Krishva: redirect to anti-furries

#REDIRECT [[anti-furries]]

Blacksad

2005-08-28T07:17:33Z

Krishva: create page

'''''Blacksad''''' is a French [[comic book]] series created by writer [[Juan Diaz Canales]] and artist [[Juanjo Guarnido]]. The first volume, titled ''Quelque part entre les ombres'' in France and simply ''Blacksad'' in the United States, was published in November 2000 by [[wikipedia:Dargaud|Dargaud]], the largest French comic book publisher.

Though it was the creators' first attempt at a comic book, the first volume saw immense success, selling more than 20,000 copies in France. The book was quickly translated to German, English, and Spanish as well. Juanjo Guarnido received a large number of prizes for his impressive, lavish visualisation of the story. Juan Diaz Canales received several prizes as well, among these three nominations for the [[wikipedia:Eisner Award|Eisner Award]]s in 2004.

In the wake of success, the two creators published a book about the creation of the first volume, entitled ''Les dessous de l'enquête''. In March 2003 the second volume of the series, ''Arctic Nation'', was published.

==Setting and characters==

The story is set in a ''[[wikipedia:film noir|film noir]]'' environment, in something that looks like the USA of the [[wikipedia:1940s|1940s]]. All of the characters are [[anthropomorphic]] animals, their specific species reflecting their personality and their part in the story. The [[wikipedia:hero|hero]] is a [[wikipedia:private investigator|private investigator]] black [[cat]] by the name of Blacksad.

==Plot==
===Volume 1===
In the first volume of the series he is confronted with the [[wikipedia:murder|murder]] of an ex-lover, a famous [[wikipedia:actor|actress]]. In his pursuit of justice he is forced to confront a powerful [[wikipedia:businessman|businessman]] who thinks himself above the law.

===Volume 2===
The series' hero, Blacksad, gets involved with a extremist organization of [[wikipedia:arctic|arctic]] animals, called Arctic Nation. The story in this volume is an allegory dealing with [[wikipedia:racism|racism]].

== External links ==
*[http://www.lesdessousduchat.com Blacksad site] (French only)

[[Category:Comic books]]

Pornography

2005-08-28T06:33:53Z

Krishva: created article w/ discussion of furry pornography

'''Pornography''' is a word commonly used to describe sexually explicit imagery in artwork, photography, film, and writing. In its original definition, it meant "writing about [[wikipedia:prostitute|prostitute]]s" and was derived from the ancient Greek term for a writer who chronicled the lives of prostitutes. The word was first used in English in the 18th century.

The exact scope of what is called pornography is not well-defined: some people would classify all nude figures as pornography, while others only consider photographed or filmed sex acts pornography. Most people take a more moderate approach, considering the intent along with the content of the work. A common method for deciding if a work is pornographic ("obscene") is the [[wikipedia:Miller test|Miller test]].

Within furry fandom, all explicit artistic or written depictions of sexual acts are usually considered pornography. Images or descriptions of single characters or groups of characters not explicitly engaging in sex acts but prominantly displaying sexual organs (especially in a state of arousal) are also often considered pornographic. Pornography featuring [[furry]] characters is called '''furry porn''' or "[[yiff]]."

==Pornography in furry fandom==
Within the furry fandom, pornographic art and writing is common. There are a wide variety of online furry art and writing archives that allow or encourage pornographic art and stories, including [[Yiffstar]], [[VCL]], and [[FurAffinity]]. Age-restricted areas are popular in furry [[MUCK]]s, and the first adults-only furry MUCK, [[Tapestries MUCK]], is the most popular furry MUCK by attendance. Often, members of the fandom and critics alike speculate that adult content makes up the majority of the fandom. However, the exact percentage of pornographic content compared to family-friendly content is unknown.

Furry pornography is often stereotyped as [[homosexual]], but this is frequently not the case. While the percentage of bisexual or homosexual furries appears to be higher than that in the general population, a majority of furry pornography appears to be [[heterosexual]].

Furry pornography commonly depicts species popular among the furry fandom, as many furry porn artists enjoy depicting their own personal [[fursona]]s in sexual activity, either with a fantasy mate or the fursona of a person to whom they are attracted in real life. Some pornographic artists draw generic characters as well, though these are usually species chosen for their sexual characteristics or stereotyped promiscuity, such as [[fox]]es, [[wolf|wolves]], and [[horse]]s.

[[Fetish]] imagery seems to appear with reasonable frequency in furry porn. [[BDSM]], [[vore]], [[pregfur|pregnancy fetish]], [[costume play]], [[babyfur|infantilism]], [[inflation]], [[rape fetish]], and other fetishes not limited to the furry community are often depicted in furry pornography, though the characters engaging in these fetishes are invariably anthropomorphic animals. [[Transformation]], in which humans turn into animals or furries transform into a different type of furry, is also popular in furry porn and regular furry art alike. While fetish porn is frequently attested to be unusually common in furry fandom, it is, again, impossible to obtain a precise percentage of fetish pornography compared to other forms of furry pornography.

==See also==
*[[Yiff]], a furry word for sexual activity
*[[VCL]], a popular furry art archive that allows pornographic art
*[[Tapestries MUCK]], the first adults-only furry MUCK
*[[Furry art]], the wider genre of which furry porn is a subgenre

[[Category:Arts and Crafts]]

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-28T05:32:41Z

Krishva: Regarding deletion of Blacksad

I can't say anything about if I'll be adding things regularly, but I will when I have time/ideas. As for nationstates, its neat to encounter another head of state no? I run The Union of Tinis which is part of the Furry Federation.

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Hi. Thanks for the welcome. ^^; This seems to be a confusing topic in my mind as far as sorting, but what would "StarFox" groups like RPG's belong to? Certainly the one I know about so far does not use a MU*, but rather IRC and has it's own Wiki even. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 09:48, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. Not sure myself. Maybe you should make a new category for roleplaying groups, and then categorize that category page to <nowiki>[[Category:Community]]</nowiki>. You make new categories just by doing <nowiki>[[Category:Whatever]]</nowiki> and then clicking on the link to edit it like any other page. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:03, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome! I've really enjoyed participating in WikiFur thus far, and I'm glad my contributions have been useful. I hope to continue to be an active participant in this community effort, and I think it's really going to be a success. ^_^ --[[User:Flynn|Flynn]] 03:34, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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No problem! Great, great project. I'll be contributing more as time allows and directing others to it as well. The pro-vanity page policy is an excellent idea. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

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Thanks for the welcome too. I've been having fun with this. I even have my own wiki for my comic Buddies in Big Places, so it was pretty easy to get started here. --[[User:Sethtriggs|Sethtriggs]] 04:25, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

How does one create a redirect? Ie, to redirect "Camp Feral" to Feral? --{{UT|Tafyrn}}

:Just type <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Feral]]</nowiki> on [[Camp Feral]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:49, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

GreenReaper: thanks for your efforts in cleaning up newly created entries. I've learned a great deal from comparing my original entries to the improved versions! --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:No problem! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:43, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Is there already a 'beginner's guide' page available? If not I'd be happy to start work on it. Berhaps it could be linked to from the main page? --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There's the [[Help:Contents|help]] page, which is linked to on the side and on WikiFur Central. It also links to the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents guide on Meta]. If you think you can improve the help page, go right ahead! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:48, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Have you considered instating a 'ranking' system to indicate users who have contributed a great deal? I'm not trolling for rewards, myself, but as a New Mediast I'm rather interested in how you'd prefer to navigate between the offering of a reward for contribution and preventing people from performing useless edits and contributions to gain a higher ranking. Ranking systems are fairly common in forums and seem to manage themselves, there. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There are ways to measure people's contributions, if so desired. You can look at a user's contributions page, which is a link in the toolbox to the left when a user's page or talk page is selected. You can also see what other people have said on a person's user talk pages, or look at the [http://www.wikicities.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaFURRY.htm#wikipedians user section] of the [[Project:About#Statistics|statistics]] to get a rough idea of where they stand contribution-wise.

:::In the end, though, for the people we really want to attract, contribution is its own reward. That's not to say people can't be ''proud'' of their contributions, of course, but obsessing over it is probably unhealthy. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== NPOV / Vanity Pages ==

You know, if you're aiming for NPOV, you might want to consider instituting a rule about, uh, not making articles about yourself. They tend to be one-sided at best, and blatant advertisments at worst. And the authors tend to react rather badly to other people editing 'their' writeup.

But then again, [http://www.everything2.com/ E2] is not NPOV and is also quite awesome. --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 19:02, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:We're not, exactly. I accept that most articles about users are going to be positive. I encourage that, actually, as it's the negative ones that seem to cause trouble. See [http://www.livejournal.com/community/wikifur/2177.html?thread=6017 this discussion] for more on my views about vanity pages, and less important pages in general. Basically, what's appropriate for Wikipedia may not be appropriate for us. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:12, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh don't worry, it was just a joke. I wouldn't actually go along with something like that, since I'd be banned pretty quickly, I'm sure. :>

== Blue Forest enties ==

Hi! I just wanted to thank you for putting work into helping out with entries related to Blue Forest. I was plesantly surprised to see these here! I'm in the process of adding and expanding on some of them, now, and I certainly welcome any tweaking that you think needs to be done. -[[User:K.M. Hirosaki|K.M. Hirosaki]] 04:47, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You're welcome! You obviously have a few loyal fans who cared enough to start them. I'll be watching, but your pages seem pretty good so far. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:55, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Is it possible to have both me redirect page "Alex Vance" and my full entry "Osfer" listd under People and Writers, or is this bad form? Considering how many furs alternately use their full name or their handle on-line, I suspect such a construction may be of use to more people.

Also, have you considered disallowing anonymous edits? The extra effort of registering might be a slight deterrent to casual vandals. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:It can be done, but wither it is or not depends on how much longer the trolls persist in causing trouble and grief in their malicious edits. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 13:16, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== kekeke goon rush ==

At this point I would just suggest forbidding anon edits and new account creation for a few hours (if you can do that) --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 18:14, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==OMG whut admin?==
No, I certainly don't mind keeping an eye on the RC for vandalism for the time being. The whole "goon rush" issue is what helped me find out about this wiki :) [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 19:21, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Article naming convention proposal ==

When I saw [[Serval]] come up as an article, I knew we were going to have an issue. As I'm sure you're aware, some of the older fur fans have gone by animal names as fan names. I propose that we have a <nowiki>[[Category:Species]]</nowiki> with names of things that are animals, as opposed to characters, appended with Serval (species) or Panther (species) or Fox (species), sort of like how WP is has (film) and such.
What do you think? [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 05:14, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It's a good idea. Go for it! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:31, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== About "admin" status. ==

I feel kind of weird for now noticing this, and even weirder for bringing it up, but I'll throw this out there anyway:

WikiFur:Administrators lists me as an admin, and you've also done it on the community LiveJournal which proves that it wasn't just a misclick or anything like that, but after looking up what I'd be able to do with this status, I notice that... well, none of it's there. :) I confirmed this by looking at the literal special page and notice that, while Osfer's name is on there, mine isn't.

Not harping on you to get '''right on this''' so I can go willy nilly on this here Internet Wikipedia machine, because that would be stupid, but can you double-check to see if you did add me to the actual admin database? Thanks. -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:17, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: *scratches head* - I certainly ''thought'' I put you in there . . . I was on wireless, though, so maybe it didn't take . I was in a bit of a rush adding new admins at the time, so I didn't check. Sorry! Should work now. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:21, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: And there it is in the log. Thank you for trusting me enough to give me this ability. :) -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:22, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Abuh? Well, that was unexpected! Thanks - I'll try to help out as best I can. --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 17:18, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You came recommended - besides, you already ''have'' been helping, this just lets you help more. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:28, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==More stylistic suggestions==

Lord forbid, got another bother:
We're getting so many dang micro articles, I think a stub-expansion template for the front might be a good idea.
I've modified one of the tables to be like that in my Userpage, if you'd like to see what it looks like. I'm just excessivly reluctant to make a template without authorization, and even less wanting to add new things to the front page :) -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:04, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:This isn't Wikipedia - you won't get flamed for making a template you think will be useful, or for editing the main page. Be bold! :-)

:The only suggestion I would make is removing the last entry and the - before it as that pushes it over one line for 1024x786 maximised (I've been trying to keep all the main templates that size). Other than that, it looks good to go. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I shall go forth fluffily, then! -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:12, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Languages ==
I had just one question re this wiki: Are there any guidelines for creating furry articles not in English? Say, [[Chakat/ia]] or [[Chakat/ru]] or whatnot? I'm a member of Furrys Pro Interlingua, as well as a general-purpose language geekskunk, and I'm just curious. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 13:18, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:The "best" way to do it would be to use something like ru.furry.wikicities.com, edit pages on there, and then use translation tags to link to them, as in Wikipedia. We do not have versions of WikiFur in other langauges at this time. If this is something you'd like to help coordinate (it will need at least one person to maintain each language), let me know what languages you'd like it set up for and I can get things set up with the Wikicities staff.

:If you're not up to doing this at this time, as a ''temporary'' measure, what you suggest might work but only if you add a category to each plage, like <nowiki>[[Category:Spanish articles]]</nowiki>, and maybe put a template in the main page to indicate that there is a translation for it (you could do one template that would work for the whole page. That way we can find them to move them later on! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:38, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Something I recently found out: It's possible to have multiple languages on one project. For example, [http://www.wikicities.com the main Wikicities page] does this. You'd need to [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links contact technical support to turn it on], but it'd allow for pages about the same topic to be written in multiple languages while being all on one server (and all part of one community), and while looking like 'normal' interlanguage links. [[User:164.106.241.168|164.106.241.168]] 17:24, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Special bar==
Also, I've created a special bar for the front page [[Template:WikiFur Central/Special|here]]. Go ahead and add it if you think it's a good idea ^^; [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 08:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Seems a perfectly reasonable use of space. Added! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Furry MUCK Logo ==

Thanks for the welcome. :) I moved the logo at [[User:Markus|Markus]]'s request since he was having trouble with the TOC not liking where it was. It was either a case of the logo staying where it was but being made an image, or moving it to where the <pre>'ed text wouldn't damage the layout. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 14:14, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Aha! I have a third option - move the TOC to the section below. You can use <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> to specify TOC positioning (or <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> to remove it entirely, but we need it here :-). Will see if I can figure out a good way to do that. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Mmm.. true the TOC can be moved but if the logo is really wanted at the top and understandibly it is the convention to have it there, pahapse taking a screencap of the wording and having a nice logo image would be better? I'll provide the image if you wish though of course, I can't edit the article currently. While I'm here, would it be ok for me to mention a few things we are missing? Um.. for one.. a deletion policy! o.O I've seen a few articles that seem to have little to do with anything furry ([[Zline]] for example). We could also do with setting up our own Manual of Style for how a biography page, a species page or term page should be laid out for example. I have er.. a -little- exprience with MediaWiki you could say. ;) I spent a good few weeks teaching myself the system and actually have a wiki of my own I'm just.. lacking the community to get it going currently. x.x Despite e-mail pokes to the people who have signed up to it. [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/Main_Page EpicWiki] which is a fictional writing wiki, as you can see I spent ages making it look good and now.. no support. :/ And my first wiki [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/ here] which was my test and learning how to use it. It was going to be for a friend's project but that's on hiatus now. What I'm ''proud'' of though on that wiki is the extensive [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Contents help system] I was planning after hating the mine field that is MetaWiki's. You can see from the pages I did write that I might know.. a -little- wiki syntax. ;) [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Allowed_HTML] [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Exploring_an_article] *squeeks* Oh seems you've already fixed it so.. never mind. o.O Hope you take some of my thoughts onboard though. o.o -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Policies ==

I agree we need to set up some policies - deletion, featuring and the like. Right now we are trying to be as inclusive as possible becuase there's really no harm in having articles that are only mildly related to furry topics, but it's something we'll probably have to look at going forward. For now, don't be too worried if you see something that doesn't seem to fit with the wiki's purpose - we can always do a cleanup later. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 15:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Might I suggest creating a 'dubious' template then to help us flag articles that need writers to find more proof of their 'furryness' and at a later date, give us a handyway of tracking down things to go on deletion lists. ;> The closest wikipedia tag I'd say would be [[Wikipedia:Template:Unencyclopedic]], to us of course, anything not furry related is Unencyclopedic.

:::That is a big "of course". I would be wary about limiting the scope of the wiki in that respect. Topics that are only tangentially furry may still be of interest to WikiFur readers and it might well be that there is stuff that can be said about the topic that relates to the furry fandom, and which would not be accepted in the "right" place. Obviously there are cases where links should be converted into links to Wikipedia and the like, but that is not always the case.

::Likewise, we could do with getting [[Wikipedia:Template:Advert]] for pages which are clearly adverts for furry sites and need turning in to articles. Infact.. I was about to list a few more but realised we could do with importing quite a few of the templates. Would you mind if I did so and made changes where needed? I'll also make some wikifur: namespace pages if needed with info and so on about them and how to use. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:04, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Go ahead - be bold! But also, be somewhat wary that you do not bite newcommers by telling them that their contributions are not wanted. If you can see a way to expand the from (say) a stub about an unrelated technology to an article about how the technology is used in the furry community, with links to articles in more depth over on (say) Wikipedia, then that would be more appropriate.

:::Note that you can theoretically use wikicities templates with this method: <nowiki>{{Wikicities:Advert}}</nowiki>. However, if you have time I would import the template as there have been problems with this - most notably it is case-sensitive!

:::I disagree with the use of the Unencyclpediaic template because I think it imposes strong an opinion on something that ''is'' a matter of opinion - there's been [[Wikipedia:Template_talk:Unencyclopedic|a lot of discussion]] about it. The Advert one sounds fine, because it is a more obvious statement about the quality of an article. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:22, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Very well, I'll get going and take on what you've said. :) More fun than staring at Recent Changes. o.O I'll send some links your way when I've made a few up. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Is there a set policy on deleting a person's entry? I noticed you removed someone's entry upon his request. I figure if there isn't one, it might be a good idea to set one up now and make it fairly publically known. Maybe make a template where it would appear rather standard and lock the entry down so it couldn't be changed....something that says "the person in question has asked us not to be included in this project". [[User:Rama|Rama]] 01:09, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:A good idea. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:21, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Stylebook ==

No problem. Is there a stylebook I need to refer to? I see that there have been style changes to the page and I'd rather save somefur else the work if I can...--[[User:Fferret|Fferret]] 19:23, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:To be honest, there isn't one right now - WikiFur only really took off last saturday, and it's been such a rush that we've been figuring them out as we go along. The best guide right now is to extrapolate from existing pages and from Wikipedia. If you do things so that they look the same as similar pages, at least it's consistent. Of course, if you think you have a better way of doing it, you could change them all. Be bold! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Person pages vs. Personal pages ==

Since this is going unanswered in the Category talk:People section, I'm going to take this here. :>

I'd like to take initiative to start removing information that's too personal-- such as the likes and dislikes of a person, who they're friends with-- in order to make the people pages sound more informational and less like the person is advertising themselves to other possible friends or love interests. Not saying that these are bad, but inapropriate for something like this wiki, which is supposed to be an online encyclopedia.

Thoughts? --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 19:35, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Answered on [[Category talk:People]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:46, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Linking to a term in Wikipedia, but not in Wikifur ==

May I ask how one would make a link reference to a term that, while not defined in Wikifur, and not directly furry related, is defined in Wikipedia? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Certainly. You can refer to Wikipedia like this: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|text to display]]</nowiki>. This is often preferable to creating an actual page about it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 20:42, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== How do I add an article to a category? ==

Hi I wish to add an article to a category but the edit feature only allows me to edit the top portion of the page. I tried * [[name of category]] and that places link in wrong place. I tried <nowiki>[[category:whatever]]</nowiki> and that puts link at bottom of page and not as article. Please I looked all over the help section and found nothing usefull for this problem. --[[User:Lupinelonewolf|Lupinelonewolf]]

: (answered) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:09, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== OK I tried that but it puts link in incorrect place ==

I understand what you are saying but I am having difficulty trying to place that link into the section labled "articles" in this Category, rather the link is being placed above in a non related portion of the page

I am trying to place a linkie to Anthrofest which is a con in Canada next yr in August and is not listed yet under conventions. Furry Wiki has good exposure and the hope is that people take notice of the unfamiliar name to many and attend. Every time though that I try to post it it puts the link in the wrong place. I want to put the link Under A and right after Anthrocon in the A category on the conventions page.

So I went to the edit section of that page and I guess that portion of the page is protected or something because I cannot get my link to go where I want it. As for the whole "whatever issue I was following advice I found in greenreapers usertalk and somehow a "furfright" ended up in the F like it should have and thus I was trying to repeat that. I think now I realize that what happened was someone saw what I was doing and I did it incorrectly and so they obliged me and did it themself. I appologize for that but still am confused as to add to that "article" portion of the "conventions" page.

:Ahh, I see. The thing you have to understand is that you do not edit the category page to put an article into the category - you edit the page that you want to put ''into'' the category. In this case, you would edit the [[Anthrofest]] article . . . but that article doesn't exist, so you should click that red link to create it. Try just putting a few words and then <nowiki>[[Category:Conventions]]</nowiki> at the end. You should see a link to Category:Conventions appear at the bottom, and when you save that page, it will appear in [[:Category:Conventions]], as you intended. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:58, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Keep, Merge, Delete==
Hah!
Man, you make funny even funnier. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 00:13, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Hi!==
Thanks for the warm welcome GreenReaper. While I only have had a little bit of experience with Wikis in general, I hope that I'll be able to contribute where I can. ^^
Ta! --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 05:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm sure you'll learn quickly! Thanks for getting permission for that picture of Mab. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 05:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Hmmm... I just noticed that the templates on the front page have been locked now... Hmmm It's a bit of a catch 22 with Wikis isn't it. On one hand you WANT people to be able to maintain, update and improve on things... On the other, there's always people who just like to ruin and vandalise things. I guess it's probbaly the right thing to do, especially being the main page... But a shame that it has to be done. =/ --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:06, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::They were locked temporarily due to someone vandalising them. They should be unlocked now (unless it's happened again). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::And yes, that's OK. Amber said that it's fine to use her art for any of the related articles. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== New article ==

Pardon me if this is a really dumb question, but how does one get to the initial edit screen to create a new article if there is no existing "Article to add" link to start from?

:Not a dumb question at all - it's not hugely obvious. One way is to create such a link by putting <nowiki>[[Something]]</nowiki> into an existing article - such a related article. This is usually a good idea because it encourages pages to be linked to related pages. However, if there isn't any page for which this is appropriate, you should either put this link in the [[Sandbox]] and delete it later, or type the URL in manually. If you look at the URL for this page, you should see that it includes the name of the page - you can change the URL to any name and it will go to that page, even if it doesn't exist yet. You can then click edit and start typing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:17, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== On pre-emptive protection: ==

It wasn't pre-emptive. Yesterday there was perpetual vandalism going on on the front page from YTMND.com, spamming "GNAA™" and editing various other parts of the template where they'd just add something stupid. Just wanted to clarify that. :) --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 14:20, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:OK. :-) Just make sure you unprotect them when they go away again! *grin* --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:30, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Regarding pre-emptively protecting things, I'd like to propose that we really ''should'' be protecting certain "high-visibility" pages, such as the main page and the templates for menus and such. If any one of those gets vandalized, it could affect the entire site instead of a single page. Also, I'm not sure that we want random users modifying them without checking with us in the first place, even if their intentions ''are'' good. Thoughts? --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 19:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Subpages for Project/Wikifur Namespace ==

Heya, I'm close to finishing my work with the templates. :) However, I wanted to make the one page I have now ([[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]]) become an introduction page (similar to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template_messages|this one]] on Wikipedia) and have multiple pages for different template types as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages|Subpages]]. However, it seems this feature isn't set to allow them in the Project(Wikifur) namespace. Would it be possible for you to turn them on? I don't know how it works with Wikicities but on standalone wiki's, its a setting in LocalSettings.php. Many thanks. :) -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what the problem is - I was able to make [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text/Test]] just fine (deleted it now). Am I misunderstanding what you were trying to do? If so, please tell me exactly what pages you were trying to make/edit and what error message you got. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:26, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::According to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages]], making a link of <nowiki>[[/All Templates]]</nowiki> on the page you wish to have as the parent should save to be 'parent/All Templates'. However, its actually just gone and made [[:/All_Templates]]. If it was a true subpage, it should have a little breadcrumb link auto inserted, like on this page of my wiki here: http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/User:Nidonocu/Management_Links
::-[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 18:40, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Ahh, right, so it's [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Link#Subpage_feature this] - OK, I'll ask. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 18:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:05, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Should be done. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:16, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::Yeap! All good! Many thanks! :D --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:18, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)\
== Categoreis and subcategories ==

Thank you for the friendly welcome message. The help system seems fairly complete. I find it much more useful to click the "edit" section of more complete entries and just look at the code to figure things out, but I know that doesn't work for some people. I do have a question that may be in there somewhere and I missed it. How are categories and subcategories created? It seems to me that one of the sub-categories within People ought to be "publishers." Otherwise, this seems fun and to be growing nicely. -- Gene

:Categories are created like any page, by making links to them or going to their pages. However, to get the links in the right place, you place the special tag <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName]]</nowiki> into the article that you want to be in the new category (or <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName|Optional String To Sort By]]</nowiki> if you don't want it sorted in the list by the article name). This will create a link at the bottom. If it's red, then you can create the category page by clicking it, editing and saving the resulting page - your article page will then be present on there. If the link is blue, then it already existed, and your article page will be added to it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Boiler Plate Text ==

It is sooo finished @_@
:'''[[WikiFur:Boiler_Plate_Text]]'''
Please link this where ever possible. I've improved quite a few of the templates too in the process. Made up all their connected category pages and so forth. Only thing that needs doing is the voting pages for [[Template:Ifd]] and [[Template:SpeedyDelete]]. I'll do those in a bit, using Wikipedia as a base to work from.

I have no life, seriously. ;)
:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Troll ==

Troll running though right now: [[User:66.140.87.119|66.140.87.119]]

: Thank you, masked stranger! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:15, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: It's me again (Loiosh). I watch the recent changes page.

:::: Heh. 45 or so pages defaced over 14 minutes, all repaired in a span on 3 minutes. That's some damn nice work, folks! --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::: If only I'd remembered to set &bot=1, then it wouldn't have flooded Recent Changes! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:41, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Footnote Links ==

How would one create footnote links to lines in a given poem, if this is possible? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Do you meen footnotes within the poem? If so, you might want to try using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ref ref and note templates], which I have just copied to WikiFur.

==Featured Articles==

Well, we don't have to have a new one every day, but I personally recommend the [[Caitians]] one for "next up". It actually had so many images, I had to leave one of mine out. Plus, M'ress is a notable early furry character. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 23:51, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Could do with some links to [[MemoryAlpha:|Memory Alpha]] for the added material, especially since it's a Wikia project too. If it was spaced out a bit more somehow, you could fit more pictures in. Perhaps an external links section?

:As for the Featured Articles, we '''do''' have to have one every day, because otherwise the script will go on and there'll just be an ugly red link. Admittedly you coulc copy the last one, but that would be cheating. ;-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Delete Craziness ==

I'm worried administrators are going a bit crazy with the delete button. I'm seeing alot of Deleted articles on Recent Changes and I think the wiki could do with inforcing the Wikipedia style of deletion. That everything needs to be listed before it can be removed. You can block a vandal right away fair enough but we could end up with possible subjects of writing being discarded just because a badly written stub was made. [[WikiFur:Speedy_Deletion]] should be finished soon, you can see how far I've got right now. I really think it would be wise to tell admins to list pages at least for an hour there before removing them, just to see if anyone chips in with content. Pahapse with some policies akin to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators]] as they generally make good sense. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:45, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Umm . . . I'm not quite sure you get the point of speedy deletes. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion|Speedy deletes]] are for bringing articles that deserve to be deleted immediately to the attention of admins. If they already ''have'' their attention and are deleted, then that's perfectly fine.

:If you look at [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= the delete log], I don't agree with you that people are going crazy. Consider the "content" of the pages that are being deleted - almost all are either plain vandalism, personal attacks, or tests, all of which are valid for speedy deletion - which means deletion on site by admins, whether or not they're listed.

:What you are perhaps thinking of is [[Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion|VfD]], which is is the process for removing articles that (generally speaking) are considered not appropriate for a wiki. And, to be honest, I haven't seen too many of them, mostly because we are far more inclusive than Wikipedia at this time. Some ''have'' been shortened, like [[fur]], because they duplicated Wikipedia information without added value, but other than that . . . --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:37, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Ah.. ok I think I see now. Its very late for me and this wiki has offically cramped by left hand with Ctrl+C/V'ing so I'll be brief. n_x; I did reflect the lack of VfD on the template page so yeah..

::Thanks anyway for dealing with all my questions and comments. Just to say would it be possible if you could at some point soon put up links to [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]] where it might be useful like on Help or Community. I might write up a few 'First Time Here?' or 'First Time Wikiuser?' pages if that would be helpful. Have written my first actual article though, [[NorthernFurs (UK)]]! Woo! ^_^ I will offically stop clicking Recent Changes and close my browser now. ;) Speak to you later. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 03:56, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::It went great on the help page. Thanks for taking the time to do these. I just hope we won't have to use them too much. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:11, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Signed up for WikiFur! ==

GreenReaper, seeing as you already knew who I was anyway (judging by your comment to my IP number!), is there a way of reassigning those edits to my username? --[[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]]

:I'm afraid there is no inbuilt way to transfer edits - however, I have put a note on the [[User:83.104.34.212|user page for 83.104.34.212]], so that anyone who goes there will be able to see that you were the person who made them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:34, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Search Image ==
Hi again. I've just been wondering about the search image for WikiFur - [[Image:Search_logo.png]]. I think it would be nice if it were possible to drop the Wikicities logo and replace it with something of our own. Is that possible (I've noticed that the image itself was locked) or is this a perminant part of the Wikicities branding and thus unchangeable? --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 17:41, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hi! It is indeed possible. If you have a suggested alternative, please upload it and link it on the [[WikiFur:Logo ideas|logo ideas page]], and if I and possibly others think it looks good, I'll add it in. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Well I had been considering just a simple resize of '''[[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]''''s logo - [[Image:Wikifurmel-vs-1.png]] - as an intirim solution, or even '''[[User:Seth C Triggs|Seth C Triggs]]''' new one. Personally I just find the Wikicities logo to be a bit ugly (and slightly confusing over the search) and think anything would be an improvement at the moment. ^^ *Yawn* Anyway ~ 4:30am! Really should go to sleep now. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 18:06, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I think I'll use Seth's for there, since we've already got Mel's image once but your button would go great as a link button - I've put it on the [[WikiFur:About|about page]]. Thanks! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:26, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Articles of the day ==

How do you choose articles of the day? Will you be starting a vote system (something like [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_of_the_week/Translation_candidates this] or anything like that once Wikifur's engine's running?

(Also, you don't need to move this discussion to my talk page when you answer... I check everyone's talk page that I've left a comment on for a day or two out of habit.) [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 20:16, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Right now, I'm choosing them by looking at the length and technical quality of the article, its subject matter, and whether or not it's got a good picture to illustrate it. See [[WikiFur:Featured articles]], which will be going up on the next one as a link below the box (didn't want to put it there until it had some entries).

:I fully intend to instigate a "Featured candidate" system closely following the system at Wikipedia at some point, if only because it's a real hassle to have to do this myself every day. ;-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 20:35, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Coders category ==

Think a coders category would be useful? We have at least one with a wiki entry already - [[Shippa]], and [[Toast]], when done, could also fall under that category. -- [[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]]

:That's a good idea, although I'd say <nowiki>[[Category:Programmers]]</nowiki> would be better than coders. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:19, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Shall it be added, then? [[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]]

:::You don't have to ask, do it yourself - [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold|Be bold]]! Just add <nowiki>[[Category:Programmers]]</nowiki> at the bottom of the pages to be in the category, and then click one of the resulting red links and fill in some blurb about what programmers are, and put <nowiki>[[Category:People]]</nowiki> of the bottom of ''that'', and you're done. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Editing etiquette ==

First off...nice site. I will admit that I had trepidations about it at first because I could see how this could become just another place to attack each other, but I'm glad to see that stuff like that is kept firmly under control. Gave me something to do when work was slow yesterday. :)

:Oh, I knew we'd be getting that. As you say, though, these things can be managed. I don't want this site to be torn apart by personal disagreement.

Anyways...the real question I have is this. There's one article in particular that I don't think is very neutral and I would like to do a massive edit on it. I wouldn't necessarily be removing information in there, because a good portion of it is correct, but I would like to reword and rework it and include some other information to counter what's already in there. Is this acceptable or is a total rewrite of an article seen as a bad thing? [[User:Rama|Rama]]

:I would say just do it, and then if someone doesn't like it, they can make their own adjustments. If you are hugely concerned about it, you could write it out on that article's discussion page first, and if nobody disagrees, put it in. Up to you! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:12, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Along that same line, if someone removes information from an article, is it acceptable to put it back in? [[User:Rama|Rama]]

:::Now, that depends. :-) It is appropriate to consider what the information was and why it was removed. If, after that, you still feel the information should be present in the article, then you should put it back in. If appropriate, you might want to consider rephrasing the information in a way that means that it cannot justifiably be removed again, either by increasing the evidence supporting it or by reducing the assertion of the information.

:::That's a bit vague because it depends on the information, so let me give an example - if someone said "[[PersonA]] stole and gave out stuff that wasn't his, and he sucks.", and someone else removed it, then I would change it to say "[[PersonA]] distributed pirated material belonging to [[PersonB]] during the period May 2002 - April 2003, including [[ThingA]] and [[ThingC]], as shown at [http://example.com/ this authoritative site with evidence]. Specific-group-of-people [[Somepeople]] [http://example.com said he sucked] as a result."

:::Note that the rephraising is far harder to argue with because it is specific, and it does not make any judgement. It leaves that up to the reader. It also happens to be more useful! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 02:40, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== How would I make an image become an html link when clicked on? ==

Hi, I checked out the help here and at nidonocu's help page and I do not see info on how to make an image into an HTML link. Do you know how to do this?

I want the picture to go to a web site. --[[User:Lupinelonewolf|Lupinelonewolf]]

:Hi there! I'm sorry, but we've had to disable externally-linked images due to people using them to link to offsite graphics that weren't theirs. As a side-effect, it is no longer possible to do what you want to do, because you have to link images in the external link style to make a html link out of them (even if they reside on this server).

:You can see how it ''would'' have been done [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Navigational_image here]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 02:47, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Another question ==

Is Wikifur limited to Wikipedia-style pages, or are other things possible? For example, if I had written up a how-to guide on (say) how to build a ventilation system into a fursuit without being obvious, such as would normally go into Wikibooks, could I put it here? [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 04:34, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Most certainly! We're not subject to those sorts of content divisions - if you have something of use to the furry community that could benefit from being on a wiki, this is the place to put it. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:50, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Movie characters ==

Could I convince you to use <nowiki>[[Category:Movie characters]]</nowiki> instead? Trying to keep all category names plural where appropriate. I'll move the old ones, this is just for new ones. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:59, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: No problem...it's your baby. :) [[User:Rama|Rama]]

== Personal-article Template ==

Just noticed your new [[Template:Personal-article|Personal-article]] Template. Would you like me to add it to the General section of Templates or Special? And is there anything I should mention about its use? --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:55, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Already done those things, but thanks for noticing. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:00, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Quick Response ==

Hey GreenReaper. Thanks fur the uber-quick response to fix the babyfur article after it was spammed. I must appreciate all you admins do; I imagine the articles undergo inappropriate changes like that somewhat frequently. [[User:Skippyfox|skippyfox]] 08:25, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I agree...you and the rest of the admins have been great catching vandalism. I imagine we'll probably see a bit of it today since you have the babyfur article featured. [[User:Rama|Rama]] 03:16, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! It's a lot easier now we have a lot more eyes watching recent changes for trouble, :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Administrator ==

Enjoy your new tabs! Try to use them sparingly. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:39, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Squee!!! :D :D :D *cough* Yes sir. :> --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 03:53, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Authors versus Writers: Category confusion? ==

There's been at least one instance of someone mistakenly using <nowiki>[[Category:Authors]]</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>[[Category:Writers]]</nowiki>. Could we please have some kind of redirect for the Authors category? [[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]]

:Upon testing, the answer appears to be "no". It redirects the viewer, but doesn't redirect category entries. I've put a note on the discussion page for <nowiki>[[Category:Authors]]</nowiki> asking people not to create it. Hopefully the red link will dissuade people from using it . . . hopefully. Or we can just check now and again. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:47, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Statistics ==

I'd like to suggest that the page [http://www.wikicities.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaFURRY.htm Wikicities Statistics for WikiFur] be linked from somewhere on WikiFur, perhaps from [[Special:Specialpages|Special Pages]]. [[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 19:39, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:We can't edit the specialpages page, but it's linked (along with other stats links) on the [[WikiFur:About|about page]], in the Statistics section. Perhaps there should be a link to that from the left bar (although there already is a link at the bottom, and on the first word of WikiFur Central). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 20:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Furry Games Category ==

I was wondering: Shouldn't there also be a category for Furry Games as well? Granted, most of the games as adopted by the fandom aren't by-furries-for-furries, but they still count.. and games such as Inherit The Earth do count as being from within the fandom.
:''(judging from the Recent Changes listing, that was from Maus Merryjest. Maus, you can sign your Talk comment by clicking the squiggle button at the top of the editing text box, the second one from the right.)'' As for the question at hand, there is a category for games: <nowiki>[[Category:Games]]</nowiki>. If it's listed on WikiFur, I think it goes without saying it's a furry game :-) The category was only created in the last day or so, so you might have missed it. --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 12:17, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Note that <nowiki>[[Category:Games]]</nowiki> has two subcategories, <nowiki>[[Category:Roleplaying games]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[Category:Video games]]</nowiki>. --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 13:13, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hi, Maus - welcome to WikiFur! As Duncan and Mwalimu say, there already exist categories for games - generally, if it's included on WikiFur, you can assume it has some level of furry content or interest. If there is a game you want to add that doesn't fit into those categories, you could either add it to Games or make your own subcategory (like [[:Category:Board games]]) and add it to that. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:45, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Mark page as policy ==

Heya :) Was wondering if you could review [[WikiFur:Speedy Deletion]] and if its all ok mark it as official site policy? I've noticed a few pages being marked for Speedy Delete when they do actually contain content but its not fur related, so I'm going to make a new Warning type template to stop people doing that and instead place a request for making the article in to something fur related. If you check out [[:Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion]] at the moment, all the entries it has (not including the Template pages of course) are articles over which the reason for it being here is debated, not that it is SpD material.

: Done. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:59, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Also as a side note, I'd recommend archiving some of your talk page as its displaying the too big edit warning right now. o.O -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:41, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm all for the SpD review. That's the most appropriate template we have right now, but I think it would be good to have something more along the lines of "This isn't furry-related enough." --[[User:71.14.103.214|71.14.103.214]] 17:57, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Yes. There are a few things that have been removed because of that already, although preferably we develop articles to have furry content, if possible. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:59, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Two comments ==

First: From your comments re D&D characters on another page: is [[gnoll]] okay? I included it because it was a notable anthropomorphic race, and you occasionally see gnolls on places like [[FurryMUCK]]

:I think there should be some reason for it to be on here rather than for links to it to go to Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Gnoll|gnoll]] article instead. It should at least link to that article, too. Perhaps there are some notable gnoll characters that could be listed here? If not, what would a page here add that a link to Wikipedia would not?

Second: I'm kind of worried about the future of this site, since you're taking such a soft line on vandalism and trolling. Why work towards goals like 1000 articles, 2000 articles, etc., if we're going to make those goals because every day another five people whose only connection to the furry fandom is of accusing it of something or other have made vanity pages about themselves and the vandalism groups they belong to?

:As mentioned elsewhere, I (and I think most other admins) disagree with your definition of "vandalism and trolling", which is probably why I seem to be taking a soft line on it in your eyes. We seem to simply have different ideas of what constitutes it. I restrict vandalism to damage to existing articles, to spamming links, to calling people names and the like. Trolling is more subjective, but I would tend to associate it with more subtle actions that are trying to get a response or "stir up trouble". ''Some'' of this can be from the creation of spurious articles, but, in general, people who spend a long time writing articles about anti-furry groups are not vandals or trolls. They are contributors. I have no problem with people who poke fun at the fandom, as long as they don't get personal about it. They are part of it, and a part of our history.

:Please understand that I would rather integrate people into our community than have them as our enemies. If you've read [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/WikiFur ED's page on WikiFur], you will see that they expected drama. The fact that they did not get what they expected is a direct result of the fact that we got some of the key people who could have caused it (the ones with more sense) actually involved in editing on WikiFur.

:Part of why people do things that you would consider vandalism and trolling is ''because they get a response''. The '''reason''' they do it is because people go nuts about it. Don't go nuts, and they tend to lose interest in causing trouble, and the ones with any worth might actually stick around and do something useful, as has happened.

:If you want another reason, I'd rather they stayed on their pages than were out causing trouble on those made by other people. Extra pages are cheap, and they're even funny, sometimes. :-)

:Despite possible appearances, I'm not so concerned about page count as I am as making a healthy community here. I would suggest that it's more important to focus on all the articles that people are creating that you agree with than worry about the ones other people are creating that you don't agree with, unless they impinge directly on your own.

Third (yes, third of two comments, it's an afterthought): You really need to start making an archive of old conversations on this page. ;) -- [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 04:42, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps so. I've been too busy trying to formulate policy and deal with trouble, though! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:15, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Blacksad==
Hi! I noticed on the recent changes page that you deleted the ''[[Blacksad]]'' article as vandalism of some kind. I am not sure of the original content of the page (I didn't see it before it was deleted), but ''Blacksad'' is a French comic book featuring exclusively humanoid animal characters, so I would guess it is of interest to the furry fandom based on its content alone. Would you be opposed to the recreation of this article?
Also, is mentioning Sibe in an article against the rules of the site? That seemed to be your implication in your deletion comment, and I hope you can clarify that for me. Thanks! --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 05:32, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Liger

2005-08-28T05:05:20Z

Krishva: /* Ligers in furry fandom */ fix typoed link

A '''liger''' is a [[hybrid]] [[species]] resulting from the mating of a male [[lion]] to a female [[tiger]]. The offspring is generally much larger than either of the parents, averaging a weight of 900 to 1000 lbs, with some individuals known to weigh as much as 1500 lbs without being significantly overweight.

Ligers generally possess a combination of traits from the parents, appearing as a clear mix between a lion and a tiger. They are said by some to be bred for their skills in magic.

== Ligers in furry fandom ==

* [[Benjamin]] - A liger residing in Canada. He is an artist and furry community web site administrator.
* [[Liger (person)|Liger]] - Another furry artist, using the species name for his own name.
* [[Silvermane]] - Located in the United Kingdom.

== External Links ==

* [http://www.stripeymaney.com StripeyManey] - Gallery of Benjamin's artwork, including his self-portraits that may be of interest, as well as some general information on ligers.
* [http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Liger/ Liger @ VCL] - The furry artwork of Liger.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger Liger] - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

[[Category:Species]]

Liger

2005-08-28T05:04:23Z

Krishva: copyedit and add a little

A '''liger''' is a [[hybrid]] [[species]] resulting from the mating of a male [[lion]] to a female [[tiger]]. The offspring is generally much larger than either of the parents, averaging a weight of 900 to 1000 lbs, with some individuals known to weigh as much as 1500 lbs without being significantly overweight.

Ligers generally possess a combination of traits from the parents, appearing as a clear mix between a lion and a tiger. They are said by some to be bred for their skills in magic.

== Ligers in furry fandom ==

* [[Benjamin]] - A liger residing in Canada. He is an artist and furry community web site administrator.
* [[Liger (person)|Liger] - Another furry artist, using the species name for his own name.
* [[Silvermane]] - Located in the United Kingdom.

== External Links ==

* [http://www.stripeymaney.com StripeyManey] - Gallery of Benjamin's artwork, including his self-portraits that may be of interest, as well as some general information on ligers.
* [http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Liger/ Liger @ VCL] - The furry artwork of Liger.
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger Liger] - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

[[Category:Species]]

Pornographic

2005-08-28T04:53:45Z

Krishva: redirect to proper article title

#REDIRECT [[pornography]]

SheezyArt

2005-08-28T04:52:34Z

Krishva: expand w/ info

'''SheezyArt''', started on November 30, 2003, by [[Channel Cat]], is an online [[art archive]] devoted to all types of art, including traditional, digital, photography, writing, pixel art, and [[Macromedia Flash]]. No genre of art are excluded, though works containing explicitly sexual subject matter are forbidden.

SheezyArt's visual template is based on the one used at [[deviantART]], allowing user commentary on artwork, journals, and user pages. SheezyArt also has a set of forums in which the community can gather.

Since the summer of 2005, SheezyArt has been down for most of the time because of server problems. This has resulted in the site being $700 short on its server bills, which are usually paid by ad revenue; however, site members' donations have helped to pay the bill.

* '''Address''': http://www.sheezyart.com/

==From deviantART to SheezyArt==

In its original incarnation, SheezyArt permitted all content, including [[pornographic]] imagery. This made it a popular archive for artists who create "adult" works, particularly those in the [[furry fandom|furry]] and [[yaoi]] fandoms. Because deviantART forbids pornography, many artists who liked deviantART's system but scorned its content restrictions migrated to SheezyArt.

Some Flash animators also disdained deviantART's restrictions on including [[copyright]]ed content in animations. Many of these artists also moved to SheezyArt, which permitted Flash animations with borrowed background music, imagery, and other copyrighted material. A user named "Sqeezy" ([[Tim Frommeyer]]) is credited with influencing other Flash animators to move to Sheezy.

==The Great Exodus==
In January 2005 SheezyArt banned pornographic content and deleted all art and writing tagged as adult, citing a new host's policy restrictions as the reason. However, many adult artists expressed disbelief at the administrators' explanation. They believed the new policies to be unfair and unnecessary at the very least; some even felt that it was a form of intentional persecution.

As a result, most artists specializing in pornographic works left SheezyArt after the ban. A large number migrated to newly-created archives based on SheezyArt's model but specializing in adult artwork. The most popular were [[FurAffinity]] and [[y!Gallery]], both of which are furry-friendly and all-inclusive. FurAffinity's slogan, "Where free expression reigns," is intended to be a jab at SheezyArt's allegedly oppressive policies.

==Trolls on SheezyArt==

In general, trolling on SheezyArt is perceived differently than on other online communities. Harmless trolling, often involving groups of people playing outrageous characters, is permitted and, to some degree, encouraged. The original set of SheezyArt trolls--[[Fungus]], [[Gene Ternruh]], [[Pitbull]], [[The Krampus]], [[Lobsternaut]], and [[Tengu (person)|Tengu]]--popularized troll behavior on SheezyArt, but now are largely non-participatory.

Argumentative and aggressive behavior is often frequently seen and tolerated, but outright aggression and harassment is usually reprimanded.

==See also==
*[[VCL]]
*[[Yerf]]
*[[YNA]]
*[[Orlando]]

[[Category:Art archives]]

Anti-Furries

2005-08-28T03:44:04Z

Krishva: make redirect to anti-furries

#REDIRECT [[anti-furries]]

Furry Artist

2005-08-28T03:35:55Z

Krishva: create redirect to furry artist

#REDIRECT [[furry artist]]

Anthro art

2005-08-27T11:55:22Z

Krishva:

#REDIRECT [[furry art]]

Anthropomorphic

2005-08-27T11:54:52Z

Krishva: remove typo

'''Anthropomorphic''' is a word meaning "like a human." It is used to describe a well-known concept called '''anthropomorphism''': ascribing [[human]] characteristics to a non-human being or object. Typically, this is used in reference to [[wikipedia:diety|dieties]], which are usually given the form of humans. However, the word can apply to any non-human thing, including [[animal]]s, plants, and inanimate objects.

Fairly recently, the [[furry fandom]] has co-opted the word for their own use. In the fandom it is used solely for one thing: ''[[humanoid|bipedal]] animals''. Such upright-walking furries are usually called ''anthro'' or ''morphic'' for short, and art featuring furry characters is sometimes called ''[[anthro art]]''. This is somewhat ironic, as ''anthro'' is actually short for ''anthropo'', a prefix that invariably means "human."

Visually, there are several trends that are often used in the furry version of anthropomorphism, including, but not limited to:
* Human form
* Human mental capacity
* Animal trappings (fur, paws, [[digitigrade]] or [[unguligrade]] legs, vaguely or completely animal sex organs)

A more proper word for an animal/human blend is [[zoomorphic]], but most furries are unaware of this term.

[[Category: Terms]]

Anthropomorphic

2005-08-27T11:54:25Z

Krishva: fixed up, wikified, and reworded a little bit

User talk:Phen

2005-08-27T11:29:00Z

Krishva:

Hi Phen - welcome to WikiFur! Let me know on my [[User talk:GreenReaper|user talk page]] if you need any [[Help:Contents|help]] not already provided. Have fun! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:10, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==whoa sup dude==
It's a small world, isn't it? --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 11:29, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Portal of Evil

2005-08-27T11:21:18Z

Krishva: Created article

The '''Portal of Evil''' or '''POE''' is a website that specializes in providing links to strange, shocking, or otherwise amusing web pages. It also has a news segment, '''[http://www.poe-news.com POE News]''', in which they link to odd news stories. POE is considered to be an [[atrocity tourism]] website.

Though the links posted have a wide variety of content, from religious extremism to sexual [[fetish]]es, the large number of [[furry fandom]]-related sites that have appeared on POE have caused it to be branded as an [[anti-furry]] site.

==The Prime Directive==
Contrary to popular belief, most POE members do not organize attacks on the websites that are linked on their site. A POE rule known as the ''Prime Directive'' forbids "touching the exhibits"; in other words, site members are to keep their criticisms of the site to the POE forums. They are not to contact the owners of the posted sites unless the owners go to the POE discussion forums of their own volition. In these cases the interaction is generally restricted to the POE forums, but aside from that there are few rules of conduct.

Occasionally, casual visitors will react to POE featured sites in a way that violates the Prime Directive: by privately contacting the site's owner, posting rude messages on the site's guestbook, or otherwise causing the owner to alter or even shut down his or her website. This kind of behavior is neither approved nor encouraged by the owners and regular members of POE.

==See also==
*[[Something Awful]]
*[[Monolithic antifurry conspiracy]]
*[[Anti-furries]]

==External links==
*[http://www.portalofevil.com Portal of Evil]

[[Category:Websites]]
[[Category:Anti-furries]]

Singing Circus Dog

2005-08-27T10:51:01Z

Krishva: rewrote for greater accuracy, also +category

'''Singing Circus Dog''' was the iconic administrator on the [[Eat All Furries]] forum. Though he/she generally kept an element of mystery about his/her identity, some suspect that Singing Circus Dog was in fact a former [[Yerf]] artist named '''Krishva Jacques'''; this is likely meant to mean [[Krishva]], another person who was involved in Eat All Furries.

{{person-stub}}

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Anti-furries]]

Eat All Furries

2005-08-27T10:44:30Z

Krishva: +category

[[Image:EAF_Purple_Monster.gif|right|100px|thumb|EAF icon featuring the [[Purple Monster]]]]

'''Eat All Furries''' (also known as '''EAF''') is a now-defunct forum that enjoyed some degree of infamy within the [[furry fandom]] from early 2003 to late 2004. The same name is often used to refer to the collective group of members of the forum.

Eat All Furries had two flagship characters: the seemingly-spherical "mascot" [[Purple Monster]] and the head administrator's mysterious avatar, the [[Singing Circus Dog]]. [[Stiv]] also became a pivotal and iconic figure in the latter days of EAF.

Though the group was frequently accused of being bigoted against furries, a large portion of the EAF core consisted of furries or friends of furries. EAF claimed to have no agenda aside from making fun of very strange and silly behavior.

==History==

The first public appearance of "Eat All Furries" was as a small, single web page filled with ridiculous and outlandish claims about furry fans. Spawned from an inside joke, the page's title was "EAT ALL FURRIES!" and caused a considerable amount of dramatics on a web forum belonging to the page's owner, a friend of Singing Circus Dog.

EAF's was created as a separate forum in 2003 when Singing Circus Dog created a [[LiveJournal]] community intended to make fun of some of the less appealing aspects of the [[furry fandom]]. In particular, posting links to "furry [[lolocaust]]s" were favored forms of entertainment. The community was deleted in early 2004 by LiveJournal administration following complaints from users.

Shortly afterward, EAF reappeared as an [http://pub37.ezboard.com/beatallfurries ezboard forum], which also quickly became popular, defying the attempts of various detractors to have it shut down (one notable attempt being based on the claim that, since it made fun of furries, it was therefore a "gay bashing" board).

Toward the latter days of EAF, banning (a previously untouched course of action) was employed to dispose of users deemed particularly tiresome, whether furry or anti-furry. In its last few weeks of existence, [[Stiv]] was granted administrative power and proceeded to ban every user in the forum save a few core members. Generally, the assumption was that the forum had been hacked; however, Singing Circus Dog has publicly refuted any accusations of having been hacked.

The forum was finally locked down on 9/11/2004 by the administrators themselves, the opening graphic replaced by an animated MS Paint image of a crying [[wolf]] flying into the World Trade Center. This appears to have been planned greatly in advance and was likely the result of the administrators getting tired of "serious" anti-furries showing up on the forum.

==Aftermath==
Immediately following the dramatic closing of EAF, [[Agahnim]], a self-proclaimed enemy of EAF, claimed that he and [[Cool Kovu]] had spammed and hacked the forum, causing its fall. This is generally understood to be false.

Most of EAF's core membership were invited to join [[COTI]] at some point during EAF's existence. Some EAF members, such as [[rootdown]] and Stiv, were recruited to EAF from COTI. Much of the original COTI/EAF conglomeration remain cohorts to this day.

Eat All Furries is still commonly used as a scapegoat for anti-furry activity and is rumored by some to be still active as an underground organization dedicated to harming furry fandom.

==See also==
*[[Anti-furries]]
*[[Monolithic antifurry conspiracy]]

[[Category:Websites]]
[[Category:Anti-furries]]

Crush! Yiff! Destroy!

2005-08-27T10:43:03Z

Krishva: +category

[[Image:Crush Yiff Destroy.png|right|Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]]
* '''Address''': http://crushyiffdestroy.com/
* '''Webmaster''': [[Mitch]]

'''Crush! Yiff! Destroy!''' (or ''CYD'' for short) is a website with an associated [[forum]] visited by furs, ex-furs, non-furs, and outright [[anti-furries]] which has as its ostensible guiding principle the uninhibited poking of fun at the excesses of the [[furry fandom]]. Favourite topics include the political antics of the webmasters of popular furry sites, bad [[stories]] and [[fanfiction]], online drama and overreaction, [[furry spirituality]] and unsightly [[fursuit]]s.

While the founding concept of CYD is the exercise of freedom of speech among like-minded individuals who share a sense of exasperation at the fandom's more bizarre features, it has also become unjustly associated with individuals of a more militant and childish attitude who occasionally commit acts of vandalism against furry online resources, even though the forum's management explicitly deprecates such behaviour and has stated its willingness to ban those responsible if they can be identified.

CYD has been described as being an offshoot of Portal of Evil or [[Something Awful]], but it has no ties or affiliations with either of these sites, and indeed is often dubbed a "furry site" by them. It is likely that this idea arose because a few of CYD's forum members are also members of those other sites.

The CYD forums are an interesting mix, including both practicing furries and vehement [[antifurries]] living in an uneasy balance. The occasional "LOL FURRIES" style too-stupid-for-[[Something Awful]] [[furry basher]] pops up now and then and is usually quickly banned. Furry apologists venturing into the forums are generally judged on the basis of their behavior in the forums alone rather than the their posts elsewhere on the internet. Although generally hostile to "celebrity" furs, a number of minor furry artists and [[fans]] have won acceptance there. The forums are moderated by [[Mitch]], [[Computolio]], [[The New Meat]] and [[Dogthing]].

[[Category:Websites]]
[[Category:Anti-furries]]

CYD also provides an extensive collection of documents valuable to those researching early fandom history. Some of these aren't available elsewhere. Also included is an extensive collection of links to other Furry web sites, the majority of which are favorable to the fandom.

Duncan Mac Dougall

2005-08-27T10:41:11Z

Krishva: more complete article about this person already exists in Computolio - redirect

#REDIRECT [[Computolio]]

Kimberly Keister

2005-08-27T10:28:33Z

Krishva: Kimberly Keister moved to Kimberleigh Ann Keister

#REDIRECT [[Kimberleigh Ann Keister]]

Kimberleigh Ann Keister

2005-08-27T10:27:31Z

Krishva: Fix name spelling, wikify, add "notoriety" section

'''Kimberleigh Ann Keister''', also known as '''KAK''', '''Kimmah''', '''Kimmaugh''', or '''KAK-Beast''', is best known for her various exploits in the ''[[Road Rovers]]'' fandom, and has risen to become one of the most infamous personalities on the internet, providing hours of amusement for furries and [[mundane]]s alike.

Because of her outrageous behavior, it has been occasionally theorized that she is a hoax.

==History==
When Kim stumbled upon the Road Rovers fandom, she became friends with many of its members. For a while, Kim blended in with the rest of the fandom, participating in art trades, conversation, and other social activities.

Kim soon became acquaintances with [[Kylen Miles]], a talented, well-known figure in the fandom and an animation student at Loyola Marymount University. Kimmaugh soon decided to emulate her new idol in any ways possible, including forging a new interest in animation, and drawing characters that closley resembled Kylen's, and even allegedly tracing many of Kylen's drawings and passing them off as her own.

There is much speculation as to what caused Kim's participation in the ''Road Rovers'' fandom to go sour. Legend has it that it happened when she requested Road Rovers pornography from Kylen Miles, who refused.

Kim became estranged from and avoided by the community, which caused her to reciprocate with a full-fledged attack on the ''Road Rovers'' fandom and, more specifically, Kylen Miles. She used several mediums to do so, including furry [[message board]]s, [[LiveJournal]]s, and [[newsgroup]]s.

As word of the '''true''' story spread througout the furry fandom, by way of witnesses to KAK's rampage, the furry community railed against Kim, decrying her for her traced artwork and incoherent rampages through furry message boards and communities. Kimmaugh began to claim that ''she'' was the victim, and that Kylen Miles had copied her art. She also claimed Kylen was stalking her.

Kim still continues to be active on the internet, maintaining a LiveJournal, and occasionally complaining about Kylen.

==Notoriety==
Kimberleigh first received a large amount of public attention when her site, [http://www.geocities.com/wintermiststudios1/ Wintermist Productions], was [http://www.portalofevil.com/single.php?poeurlid=000019171 featured] on [[Portal of Evil]] in 2002. From that time onward the [http://friends.portalofevil.com/sfs.php?si=3&fi=000019171 PoE forum about her] has been consistently active.

Kim herself has appeared in the PoE forum at least once to argue with the people criticizing her site, and a number of impersonators claiming to be her also helped to feed the drama surrounding her. As a result, she has become something of a household name to a large population of internet denizens, furry and otherwise.

==Reference==

*[http://www.kimmaugh.com kimmaugh.com] (now defunct)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]

Agahnim

2005-08-27T09:49:21Z

Krishva: exchanged text log link to actual source--DA comments page

{{NPOV}}

'''Agahnim''' or '''Aggie''', also known as '''Jonathan Kane''' of Skillman, New Jersey, is a [[furry artist]] and [[writer]] whose work tends to focus on [[dinosaur]]s, in particular [[dromeosaurid]]s. He is generally known not for his works, but for his obsessive and often disruptive behavior.

He is self-diagnosed with [[wikipedia:Asperger's syndrome|Asperger's syndrome]]; if this diagnosis is correct, it may explain some of his actions.

==Behavior==

Agahnim is a self-proclaimed archivist. In arguments and debates he has a tendancy to focus on past statements his opponents have made, regardless of their application to the current debate.

In instances where people have ceased being friends with him, he has often blamed others, sometimes claiming that someone has been spreading rumors or lies about him to his friends. For over a year, he has been blaming a probably-fictional "hacker" for any strange things that happen to his home computer, website, and [[LiveJournal]], as well as those of his friends and the people he deems his enemies.[http://www.livejournal.com/~agahnim/11859.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/35743.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/36065.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/36679.html][http://agahnim.deviantart.com/journal/5343286/][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/38152.html] Some people suspect Aggie himself of being the "hacker," as Agahnim has a history of trying to convince friends or associates to hack the computers and websites of people he does not like. (See link [7] below.)

He has been banned from a number of communities, dinosaur related and otherwise. He was allegedly the only person every banned from the tiny community at the now defunct [http://www.drunkentengu.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi Drunken Tengu Forums]. He was also repeatedly banned from [[Eat All Furries]] under a number of different IP addresses and later claimed responsibility for spamming the board, causing its fall[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/4040370/95204942] (this has been asserted as false by the Eat All Furries administrators, who closed the board intentionally).

==External links==
*[http://www.snakebird.net Snakebird.net], Agahnim's website
*[http://agahnim.deviantart.com Agahnim's DeviantART], Agahnim's art and writing
*[http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/ Agahnim's Livejournal], which provides further examples of the behavior described above

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Writers]]

Agahnim

2005-08-27T09:07:03Z

Krishva: added info + some references

{{NPOV}}

'''Agahnim''' or '''Aggie''', also known as '''Jonathan Kane''' of Skillman, New Jersey, is a [[furry artist]] and [[writer]] whose work tends to focus on [[dinosaur]]s, in particular [[dromeosaurid]]s. He is generally known not for his works, but for his obsessive and often disruptive behavior.

He is self-diagnosed with [[wikipedia:Asperger's syndrome|Asperger's syndrome]]; if this diagnosis is correct, it may explain some of his actions.

==Behavior==

Agahnim is a self-proclaimed archivist. In arguments and debates he has a tendancy to focus on past statements his opponents have made, regardless of their application to the current debate.

In instances where people have ceased being friends with him, he has often blamed others, sometimes claiming that someone has been spreading rumors or lies about him to his friends. For over a year, he has been blaming a probably-fictional "hacker" for any strange things that happen to his home computer, website, and [[LiveJournal]], as well as those of his friends and the people he deems his enemies.[http://www.livejournal.com/~agahnim/11859.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/35743.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/36065.html][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/36679.html][http://agahnim.deviantart.com/journal/5343286/][http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/38152.html] Some people suspect Aggie himself of being the "hacker," as Agahnim has a history of trying to convince friends or associates to hack the computers and websites of people he does not like. (See link [7] below.)

He has been banned from a number of communities, dinosaur related and otherwise. He was allegedly the only person every banned from the tiny community at the now defunct [http://www.drunkentengu.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi Drunken Tengu Forums]. He was also repeatedly banned from [[Eat All Furries]] under a number of different IP addresses and later claimed responsibility for spamming the board, causing its fall[http://dave.asshat.ca/aggie/aggietxt.txt] (this has been asserted as false by the Eat All Furries administrators, who closed the board intentionally).

==External links==
*[http://www.snakebird.net Snakebird.net], Agahnim's website
*[http://agahnim.deviantart.com Agahnim's DeviantART], Agahnim's art and writing
*[http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/ Agahnim's Livejournal], which provides further examples of the behavior described above

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Writers]]

Talk:Monolithic Antifurry Conspiracy

2005-08-27T07:20:18Z

Krishva:

==Redirect?==
If the content of the original article is any indication, this probably shouldn't be a redirect--it mentioned at least three different websites as part of this "conspiracy." You can't have a conspiracy with just one person, and I am pretty sure [[Eat All Furries]] didn't coin the term. There's certainly no discussion of it in the Eat All Furries article. This article should probably be reverted unless there are any strong arguments to the contrary. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 07:20, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Krishva

2005-08-27T06:18:13Z

Krishva: /* Accuracy Disputed */

Furry art

2005-08-27T05:46:01Z

Krishva:

'''Furry art''' or '''anthro art''' is a phrase sometimes used to describe artwork depicting [[anthropomorphic]] animal characters. Usually furry art is created with [[furry fandom]] as the main audience, though some works that could be described as "furry art" are intended for a larger, more mainstream audience.

A person who creates furry art is called a ''[[furry artist]]''.

{{stub}}

[[Category:Arts and Crafts]]

Furry artist

2005-08-27T05:39:38Z

Krishva: create article--kind of rough, please improve as seen fit

A '''furry artist''' or '''anthro artist''' is a person who creates [[wikipedia:art|art]]istic works with the [[furry fandom]] in mind as the target audience. The works of a furry artist are called ''[[furry art]]''.

Generally, the term is restricted to visual artists who create drawings, paintings, collages, sculptures, and other types of visual works traditionally thought of as "art." Those who write [[furry story|furry stories]] are usually called ''[[furry writer]]s''.

==Online galleries==
A large number of online galleries exist that are exclusively furry art or are friendly to furry artists. This list includes only some of them.

===Exclusively furry===

*[[VCL]]
*[[Yerf]] (defunct)
*[[YNA]]

===Furry-friendly===

*[[deviantART]]
*[[SheezyArt]]

==The connection to furry fandom==
Most furry artists have an active connection to furry fandom. Many attend furry [[convention]]s and [[furmeet]]s, and some even organize specialized artist furmeets. Furry [[MUCK]]s, [[Internet]] [[forum]]s, and [[IRC]] chats are as popular amongst furry artists as with the rest of the furry community. Typically, a furry artist utilizes these avenues not only as social tools but as a means of advertising his or her work.

However, a small portion of furry artists have little or no involvement in furry fandom. They may avoid fan social activities out of lack of interest, discomfort with the public reputation of furry fandom, dislike of the furry social community, or other personal reasons. However, their lack of involvement does not necessarily prevent such artists from selling their artwork to furry fans.

==Making money as a furry artist==
While some furry artists are able to make a living from their furry artwork, most do not. In general commissions, prints, and other art sales make a significant income only for very popular and well-known furry artists. Artists with a smaller fanbase may make a small amount of money from their furry art; usually, this is predominantly commissions (rather than prints or original non-custom works).

A large majority of furry artists create their artwork for the enjoyment of the subject matter. They share it on online art galleries without any expectation of sales.

[[Category:Artists]]

User talk:Krishva

2005-08-27T04:03:39Z

Krishva: /* Krishva */ fix spacing

Hello! Any and all users who would like to contact me should do so here. My responses to you will usually appear only on this page, so if you ask me a question, please keep checking this page for my reply.

Please include a short header above your comment for easier page browsing. Thanks!

==Welcome==

Hi there, Krishva - welcome to WikiFur! Let me know on my [[User talk:GreenReaper|user talk]] page if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:10, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you! --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 07:30, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Just a warning ==

We have a large number of people here who specialize in combatting vandalism, whether short or long term. Tread very carefully. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 12:29, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Almafeta, I thought I made it clear on [[Wikipedia:User talk:Krishva|Wikipedia]] that I felt all your accusations of vandalism were extremely rude and completely unfounded. I have not done anything inappropriate here, nor on Wikipedia (aside from recently posting an angry comment to you, which I was sorry for and apologized for).
:I have no idea why you have a specific beef with me, but I don't appreciate being accused, threatened, and treated in a generally poor manner by other users. I don't know you at all outside of Wikipedia and Wikifur, so please stop behaving as if I've done a terrible wrong to you. I'd like to be able to encounter you on a wiki system or anywhere else without being promptly attacked. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 01:11, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I have to say also that I was a little bit surprised that Krishva was warned for vandalism before engaging in any on this site. Is it okay to maybe wait until the crimes are committed before accusing people of them? --[[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 01:32, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers|No biting]] :) -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:49, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Nidonocu: Krishva was one of a small but tenacious group of users that was engaging in a long-term vandalism of all furry-related pages on Wikipedia (VfDing with a pre-determined bloc of votes or merging if she didn't like it, removing all references to the furry fandom if she did, and reverting attempts to expand or error-correct articles). Luckily, she seems to have stopped there, but we need to make sure she and her clique don't start doing so here. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 13:22, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I'd be surprised if that happened. Assumably Krishva (hi there!) was just doing so out of a belief that such articles were not sufficiently notable to be present on Wikipedia. Without making a judgement about whether or not that was the case, it definitely ''cannot'' be the case here, as this site's purpose is to assist the furry community. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:41, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== [[Krishva]] ==

Responding to your attacks there: Yes, I did remove some significant assertions, but the ones that were taken out were the ones that were not based in fact. And any bias I might have against you have been directly caused by actions on Wikipedia and your personal attacks against me. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 03:35, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Almafeta, are you denying that I was a furry artist on Yerf? [http://www.google.com/search?q=yerf+krishva&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0]
:Or that people still remember it? [http://www.fchan.hentaiplanet.net/f/res/6127.html Here] is a recent thread on [[fchan]] that was brought to my attention, featuring older Yerf art by me and some people (none of whose names I recognize) mentioning me by name and referring to my Yerf gallery.
:I don't know what personal attacks I have made against you that I have not apologized for, but I am sorry for attacking you at any time that I attacked you on wikipedia. As far as my actions on wikipedia: I acted with intentions of keeping wikipedia appropriately encyclopedic and NPOV. I'm sorry you took offense to my actions there, but they weren't meant to offend or upset you. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 04:02, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Krishva

2005-08-27T04:02:55Z

Krishva: /* Krishva */

Hello! Any and all users who would like to contact me should do so here. My responses to you will usually appear only on this page, so if you ask me a question, please keep checking this page for my reply.

Please include a short header above your comment for easier page browsing. Thanks!

==Welcome==

Hi there, Krishva - welcome to WikiFur! Let me know on my [[User talk:GreenReaper|user talk]] page if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:10, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you! --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 07:30, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Just a warning ==

We have a large number of people here who specialize in combatting vandalism, whether short or long term. Tread very carefully. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 12:29, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Almafeta, I thought I made it clear on [[Wikipedia:User talk:Krishva|Wikipedia]] that I felt all your accusations of vandalism were extremely rude and completely unfounded. I have not done anything inappropriate here, nor on Wikipedia (aside from recently posting an angry comment to you, which I was sorry for and apologized for).
:I have no idea why you have a specific beef with me, but I don't appreciate being accused, threatened, and treated in a generally poor manner by other users. I don't know you at all outside of Wikipedia and Wikifur, so please stop behaving as if I've done a terrible wrong to you. I'd like to be able to encounter you on a wiki system or anywhere else without being promptly attacked. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 01:11, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I have to say also that I was a little bit surprised that Krishva was warned for vandalism before engaging in any on this site. Is it okay to maybe wait until the crimes are committed before accusing people of them? --[[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 01:32, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers|No biting]] :) -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:49, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Nidonocu: Krishva was one of a small but tenacious group of users that was engaging in a long-term vandalism of all furry-related pages on Wikipedia (VfDing with a pre-determined bloc of votes or merging if she didn't like it, removing all references to the furry fandom if she did, and reverting attempts to expand or error-correct articles). Luckily, she seems to have stopped there, but we need to make sure she and her clique don't start doing so here. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 13:22, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I'd be surprised if that happened. Assumably Krishva (hi there!) was just doing so out of a belief that such articles were not sufficiently notable to be present on Wikipedia. Without making a judgement about whether or not that was the case, it definitely ''cannot'' be the case here, as this site's purpose is to assist the furry community. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:41, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== [[Krishva]] ==

Responding to your attacks there: Yes, I did remove some significant assertions, but the ones that were taken out were the ones that were not based in fact. And any bias I might have against you have been directly caused by actions on Wikipedia and your personal attacks against me. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 03:35, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Almafeta, are you denying that I was a furry artist on Yerf? [http://www.google.com/search?q=yerf+krishva&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0]
Or that people still remember it? [http://www.fchan.hentaiplanet.net/f/res/6127.html Here] is a recent thread on [[fchan]] that was brought to my attention, featuring older Yerf art by me and some people (none of whose names I recognize) mentioning me by name and referring to my Yerf gallery.
:I don't know what personal attacks I have made against you that I have not apologized for, but I am sorry for attacking you at any time that I attacked you on wikipedia. As far as my actions on wikipedia: I acted with intentions of keeping wikipedia appropriately encyclopedic and NPOV. I'm sorry you took offense to my actions there, but they weren't meant to offend or upset you. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 04:02, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Krishva

2005-08-27T03:43:15Z

Krishva: edit misinformation added by User:Almafeta to be accurate and re-add removed info

Talk:Agahnim

2005-08-27T03:28:30Z

Krishva:

This page appears to be a personal attack. Anyone have a good reason why it shouldn't be deleted? --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 18:44, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
*Just replace with a redirect to [[Eat All Furries]], which is what linked to it in the first place. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 18:46, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree. If there is no content for a page, it seems less likely that it will ever get content if people are simply redirected to another page. Plus, I was under the impression that redirects are for entries that are identical, just variants in spelling or terminology. I'll go out on a limb and say that Agahnim is not actually an Internet forum, but a person :-) --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 18:51, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I too don't see the point of keeping this article around OR replacing it with a redirect. I say we just delete it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 18:57, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Agahnim is certainly involved in the furry community. He is generally noted for being obnoxious, but I think he's also an artist and a writer, if I remember correctly. --[[User:Krishva|Krishva]] 03:28, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Krishva

2005-08-27T03:25:03Z

Krishva:

Krishva

2005-08-26T05:38:42Z

Krishva:

Agahnim

2005-08-26T04:21:18Z

Krishva: wikify

'''Agahnim''', also known as '''Jonathan Kane''', '''Aggie''', '''Fagahnim''', or '''Faggie''', is a self-described autistic who had the honor of being the only person every banned from the tiny community at the now defunct [http://www.drunkentengu.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi Drunken Tengu Forums]. When he was last seen he was obsessed with video games, hacking and internet harassment (both perpetrating it and accusing others of it), and dromaeosaurid vagina.

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==External links==
*[http://www.livejournal.com/users/agahnim/ Agahnim's Livejournal]
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Rootdown

2005-08-26T04:14:12Z

Krishva: bolded "rootdown" and "Brian Root" in first line of intro

[[Image:Hayguys2.jpg|350px|right|Clearly, rootdown is one jolly dude.]]
'''Brian Root''', or as he is known to the internet, '''rootdown''', is an [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Internet_celebrity Internet Celebrity]. He lives and attends university in Monterey, California, pursuing a degree in 3d animation. His screen name is taken from a track of the same name by the popular hip-hop group, the [http://www.beastieboys.com/ Beastie Boys]. He enjoys some modest notoriety among the furry community for his penchant for baiting, sarcasm, and pranking.

== 1997-1999: The Black T-Shirt Years ==

Brian Root was introduced to the internet and to the furry community simultaneously while a teenager in 1997 by his then-friend and neighbor, Keith Aksland, an avid reader and fan of the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] series. Soon thereafter, Root started [[mucking]] on [[FurToonia]] under the screen name Fauxx, and contributing to what was then known as the [[Squeaky Clean Furry Archive]] (or as it came to later be known, [[Yerf]]). Like every privledged young white furry with aspirations of being really edgy and oppressed someday, he wore a trenchcoat, grew his hair long, played [[Werewolf:_the_Apocalypse]], and listened to Nine Inch Nails a lot.

Within about 18 months of his introduction to the furry community, Root began to associate with individuals who were very critical of the scene - the [[Burned Furs]] - and found that their opinions had an appeal for him. Perhaps because of his chosen peers, or perhaps because of his rebellious teenage mentality and existing penchant for stirring controversy, he came totally unglued and started posting lengthy, incomprehensible rants to [[alt.fan.furry]] about how everything and everyone in the furry community was stupid. Please don't google them. They're embarassing.

== 1999-2001: Monastic Absence ==

Suddenly, in the summer of 1999, Root disappeared. For two years he walked the earth as a monk, learning the secret [[North Star kung-fu]], totally invisible to the internet while pursuing religious obligations in England. It was after his return from that country that he started using the screen name rootdown, a moniker given to him by other missionaries who could punch people so hard that they exploded and their blood and entrails would spell out the word "Ouch!" on nearby walls.

== 2001-2003: The Portal of Evil ==

rootdown is frequently, and to his great irritation, mistaken for a [[Something Awful]] [[goon]]. In reality, root is not and never has been a member of the Something Awful forums, nor has he ever been a fan of that website. This confusion probably stems from the fact that for a number of years, root was a participant in the [[Portal of Evil]] forums and chat room. It was here that he learned how to most effectively argue with people on the internet, and also that he didn't actually enjoy arguing with people on the internet very much.

In the summer of 2003, root attended the second Portal of Evil convention (POEcon), and that same month stopped posting regularly to their forums. Despite no longer being an active member of their community, he remains friends with the many other Internet Celebrities and forum alumni that he met through that site, including but not limited to [http://www.sixsixfive.com 665] creator JSP, PoE cofounder [http://www.shortandhappy.com K. Thor Jensen], and SexSexWorld field operative [http://www.livejournal.com/users/hooper_x Hooper X].

[http://www.livejournal.com/community/truthaboutdive/5465.html#cutid1 Rumor has it] that [[Divefox]] punched rootdown in the face at [[Anthrocon]] 2002. It was a traumatic experience for root, one that still gives him horrifying flashbacks to this very day. If you had been punched at a convention you've never attended, you'd understand.

== 2003-Present: Chat on the Internet ==

After returning from England, rootdown began mucking again. On one of his primary hangouts he met and soon became close friends with his frequent collaborator and co-conspirator [[Stiv]], and together they started the muck Unknown Epicentres (or UEI). It was also during this time that rootdown created the now-defunct Voltron Boards, a messageboard that for whatever reason was primarily used for linking to and discussing bad art. During this time, rootdown and Stiv would frequently "invade" other mucks and recruit the most obnoxious and intelligent people they could find to join UEI.

(An interesting historical note: Because many of the members of UEI were brought together through shared frustrations with what they felt was the creative stagnation predominant in the furry scene, they liked to refer to their muck as the "rival school" to [[Postvixen]]'s [[Puzzlebox]] muck -- another muck created out of the same motivations as UEI, though taking off in a completely opposite direction. It was the UEI crowd that gave Puzzlebox it's three-letter acronym designation as PBX. Postvixen has on more than one occasion called rootdown the "bizzarro Postvixen.")

After a few years, rootdown became bored with UEI and stopped paying the server fees. The muck switched hosts, but many of the core members stopped visiting. One of the problems root saw in mucking was that many of his friends, which by this point were from all over the internet, not just the muck-friendly furry scene, found the interface to be obtuse and counterintuitive, and so just wouldn't connect. In an effort to bring more of his friends together who shared interests and attitudes, he created the legendary AIM chat room, Chat on the Internet.

[[COTI]] was an instant success. Within days, you could find people in COTI day or night, telling dick jokes. Because anybody with an AIM client can participate and be invited, and everybody and their mom has an AIM screen name, COTI became a persistent and growing fixture. The tradition of raiding and recruiting creative assholes that started in UEI lived on in COTI, and it is of significant note many of the administrators and moderators of the messageboard [[Eat All Furries]] were assimilated by the horrifying COTI hivemind.

The EAF mods then went on to make Stiv the only active moderator of their forum, and for the last three months of EAF's lifespan he would entertain himself by banning everyone who posted. On September 11th, 2004, the forum was shut down for good and replaced with an MSpaint image of a wolf flying into the World Trade Center.

== Art and Art Philosophy ==

Ever the contrarian, rootdown has [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rtdn/111263.html constantly asserted] that he does not believe in developing a single distinctive and recognizable art style, as is a popular practice among furry artists, but that it is more important instead to have a wide range of working modes. To this end he is constantly experimenting and exploring different techniques, combining traditional media in pencil, sumi-e, and watercolor with digital work in Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator and Alias Maya. He has yet to "find a voice," or an approach to creating artwork that he is really comfortable with.

rootdown names as his influences [http://www.diterlizzi.com/ Tony DiTerlizzi], [http://www.davidchoe.com/ David Choe], [http://www.reddingk.com/ Jordan Crane], [[Wikipedia:Norman_Rockwell|Norman Rockwell]], [http://www.nickbantock.com/ Nick Bantock], [[Wikipedia:Julia_Margaret_Cameron|Julia Margaret Cameron]], [http://www.nancystahl.com/ Nancy Stahl], [http://www.mckean-art.co.uk/ Dave McKean], and [[Wikipedia:Frank_Frazetta|Frank Frazetta]].

Curiously, his artwork done as Astolpho deliberately ignores his never-draw-the-same-way-twice philosophy, instead maintaining an internally cohesive and self-consciously formulaic approach throughout. Whether or not this pattern continues now that the secret identities are no longer secret remains to be seen.

== Holy crap, rootdown is Astolpho?? ==

In an [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rtdn/184742.html apocalyptic revelation] in the summer of 2005, rootdown came out before God and the internet a [[babyfur]] - and not just any babyfur, but [[Astolpho]], an illustrator rapidly gaining popularity in the babyfur community. Astonishingly, nobody among his carefully edited and highly elite circle of internet friends flinched - they all knew he was kind of funny in the head already and so it really came as no huge surprise that he was bent in that way. Conversely, while his asshole friends took the fact that root was a closet babyfur in stride, a handful of his babyfur fans were horrified to discover that their hero, the patient and loveable Astolpho, was in reality a closet asshole.

== 2010-2013: Postnuclear Roadwarrior ==

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Together with his plucky band of punk-rock rebels, rootdown ekes out an existence in defiance of the megacorporation that threatens to enslave the last free enclaves of humanity. He enforces his own sassy brand of lawless justice and wears gigantic spiked shoulderpads. No power in heaven or on earth can stop him or the army of giant robots he is building in his secret base deep under the surface of the earth.

== External links ==

* [http://www.stupidhappy.com/ Stupidhappy]
* [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rtdn/ Livejournal]
* [http://rootdown.deviantart.com/ deviantArt gallery]
* [http://rootdown.sheezyart.com/ Sheezy Art gallery]
* [http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Rootdown/ VCL gallery]
* [http://rootdown.1up.com/ 1up Profile]

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Brother Bear

2005-08-26T03:28:12Z

Krishva: added all significant info from wikipedia article

'''''Brother Bear''''' is the forty-third film in the [[Disney animated feature]] canon. It was produced by [[wikipedia:Walt Disney Feature Animation|Walt Disney Feature Animation]] Florida and released on November 1, 2003, by [[Walt Disney Pictures]] and [[wikipedia:Buena Vista Distribution|Buena Vista Distribution]]. In it, an [[wikipedia:Inuit|Inuit]] boy pursues a [[bear]] in revenge for a battle with it he provoked in which his oldest brother is killed. He tracks down the bear down and kills it, but the Spirits, angered by this needless death, change the boy into a bear himself as punishment. Originally titled ''Bears'', it was the third and final Disney animated feature produced primarily by the Feature Animation studio at Disney-MGM Studios in Orlando, Florida; the studio was shut down not long after the release of this film in March 2004.
==Plot==

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Long ago in a post-ice age land when [[mammoth]]s still live, there are three brothers named Kenai, Denahi, and Sitka. Denahi, the middle brother, and Sitka, the oldest, work hard. They think Kenai should work more and play less. Kenai, the youngest, hates bears because they fight for the same food, overtake the land, ransack his village and ruin his coming-of-age ceremony. Each brother is given his own [[totem]]: Sitka, the [[eagle]] of guidance; Denahi, the [[wolf]] of wisdom; and Kenai, the [[bear]] of love. Kenai scorns the totem he has been given, believing that love is not brave or noble.

When Sitka is killed in a battle with a bear that Kenai provoked, Tanana, the tribal [[shaman]], officiates a funeral rite for Sitka. Suddenly Kenai ignores the village teachings of brotherhood with animals and sets out to hunt the bear for revenge and eventually kills it, and Kenai cut the line from his spirit totem, so that he may never wear it again. To punish Kenai for this hateful action, the Great Spirits, represented by the spirit of Sitka, transform him into a bear to teach Kenai about love and brotherhood. Unfortunately his other brother, who was pursuing Kenai to stop him, doesn't realize what has happened. He finds Kenai's torn clothes and believes the bear took his brother's life. In grief, he vows revenge.

Disoriented and barely escaping Denahi's wrath by falling into the river, Kenai awakens on the shore and in the presence of Tanana, who eases him through his initial shock at his change. Although she cannot understand his bear speech, she advises Kenai to find where the lights touch the mountain so that he can ask Sitka's spirit to change him back, and then she disappears without giving him directions. To Kenai's surprise, he finds he can talk with the other animals - but the only animals who are willing to talk to him are two stupid sibling [[moose]], Rutt and Tuke, who are more interested in cracking jokes at Kenai's claims to be a man than helping him. Along the way, Kenai meets a talkative, pesky bear cub named Koda, who claims to know the way to the salmon run where the bears gather to fish and where the lights seem to hug the mountain.

What follows is a journey in which Kenai, when not dodging Denahi who is now hunting him, grows rather fond of the irrepressible Koda who he learns shares his spiritual beliefs. This in turn puts his hatred of bears in a stark perspective that forces him to reconsider, especially when he learns that Koda sees humans as the same sort of dangerous monsters as he himself once believed bears to be. This culminates when they finally reach the salmon run and Kenai has the awkward experience of being surrounded by bears. Yet, the bears quickly accept him and he in turn learns about the loving community of these animals that makes his hate seem so foolish even as he learns to enjoy himself.

This contentment is shattered when Koda tells the story of his separation from his mother. Kenai is aghast to realize the story is about the fight he and his brothers had with the killer bear. It immediately dawns on Kenai that he is the one that killed Koda's mother. In shame at profoundly harming a cub he has grown to love, Kenai flees the gathering, but Koda follows and asks what's wrong. With great remorse, Kenai confesses that he is responsible for the death of Koda's mother. Koda is distraught and runs away in grief, loss, and betrayal while ignoring Kenai's apologies and pleas for forgiveness.

With nothing left to keep him with the bears, Kenai scales the mountain to contact the spirit of Sitka. Koda mourns alone, but then has a chance encounter with the squabbling Tuke and Rutt who reconcile because of their brotherhood, which makes Koda realize the importance of his relationship with Kenai. Meanwhile, Denahi finally tracks down Kenai; in the ensuing fight, Koda, having forgiven Kenai, rushes in to help at a critical moment in the fight. Kenai struggles to protect Koda and is willing to sacrifice himself to save the cub, much as Koda's mother had done; with this selfless act, Kenai shows the spirits that he has profoundly changed for the better and they allow Sitka to change Kenai back into a human.

Yet, while Kenai revels at his regained humanity, he realizes that he can no longer talk with Koda, a cub who is now orphaned yet again by the bear he had begun to accept as a brother. Rather than abandon Koda, Kenai asks Denahi that Koda needs him, and Denahi called Kenai "little brother" instead of "baby brother", and Sitka transform Kenai back into a bear, and he and his brothers hug together, and say goodbye, and Koda and his mother hug together, and say goodbye.

The film ends with Kenai as a bear, accompanied by Koda, being welcomed back by his tribe and pressing his pawprint to the cave wall which bears the handprints of countless generations of other tribe members who also fulfilled the calling of their totem animals.

==Critical reaction==
The reaction from film reviewers was severely mixed with many panning the film as a retread of older Disney films like ''[[The Lion King]]'' and the [[20th Century Fox]] film, ''[[Ice Age]]'' (although ''Brother Bear'' began production before ''Ice Age'' did), while others defended the film as a legitimate variation of the theme.

Of note to many critics and viewers was the use of the film's [[wikipedia:Aspect ratio (image)|aspect ratio]] as a storytelling device. The film begins at a standard widescreen aspect ratio of 1.75:1 (similar to the 1.85:1 ratio common in U.S. cinema or the 1.78:1 ratio of [[wikipedia:High-definition television|HDTV]]), while Kenai is a human; in addition, the film's art direction and color scheme are grounded in realism. After Kenai transforms into a bear twenty-four minutes into the picture, the film itself transforms as well: to a [[wikipedia:CinemaScope|CinemaScope]] aspect ratio of 2.35:1 and towards brighter, more fanciful colors and slightly more caricatured art direction.

==Box office==
One would judge, by overlooking Disney's heavily lackluster marketing for the film, that the studio had low expectations for it after the spectacular financial disappointment of ''[[wikipedia:Treasure Planet|Treasure Planet]]''. Although amassing just $85,336,277 in its theatrical run, a rather average amount of money, it was not a flop by any measure, especially considering what little marketing the movie received even on children's television channels. The Orlando, Florida animation studio where the film was animated had been shuttered shortly after the release of the film, as an extreme example of dire assumptions.

However, ''Brother Bear'' went on to prove to be a big hit around the world, amassing $164,700,000, more in worldwide box office than fellow Walt Disney Feature Animation Florida film ''[[Lilo and Stitch]]'', bringing its worldwide total to a pretty massive '''$250,036,277''' currently. In addition, its DVD release was successful as well with the film being a strong seller. It has to date amassed more than 165 million sales on DVD and VHS sales alone.

==Voice cast==
The movie stars the voices of:
*[[wikipedia:Joaquin Phoenix|Joaquin Phoenix]] as Kenai, the youngest of three brothers who gets turned into a bear
*[[wikipedia:Jeremy Suarez|Jeremy Suarez]] as Koda, a bear cub who helps Kenai on his journey to where the Lights Touch the Earth
*[[wikipedia:Rick Moranis|Rick Moranis]] as Rutt, a comic Canadian [[moose]]
*[[wikipedia:Dave Thomas (actor)|Dave Thomas]] as Tuke, another comic Canadian moose
*[[wikipedia:Jason Raize|Jason Raize]] as Denahi, the middle brother
*[[wikipedia:D.B. Sweeney|D.B. Sweeney]] as Sitka, the oldest brother
*[[wikipedia:Joan Copeland|Joan Copeland]] as Tanana, the shaman of Kenai's tribe
*[[wikipedia:Michael Clarke Duncan|Michael Clarke Duncan]] as Tug, a wise old bear

==Songs==
*"Great Spirits", performed by [[wikipedia:Tina Turner|Tina Turner]]
*"On My Way", performed by [[wikipedia:Phil Collins|Phil Collins]]
*"On My Way (Koda's Version)", performed by Koda ([[wikipedia:Jeremy Suarez|Jeremy Suarez]])'''NOT AVAILABLE ON THE SOUNDTRACK'''
*"No Way Out (Theme)", performed by Phil Collins
*"Look Through My Eyes", performed by Phil Collins
*"Transformation", performed by Phil Collins
*"Transformation", performed by the [[wikipedia:Bulgarian Women's Choir|Bulgarian Women's Choir]]
*"Welcome", performed by Phil Collins
*Score by [[wikipedia:Mark Mancina|Mark Mancina]]

==External links==
*[http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/brotherbear/main.html Brother Bear Official Site]
*[http://www.bbear.org Brother Bear Online Archive]

{{wikipedia|Brother Bear}}

Humanoid

2005-08-26T02:55:24Z

Krishva:

A '''humanoid''' is a character with a basically human body, though it may be inhuman in smaller details of its physical appearance. These are common types of character in science fiction and fantasy stories, where intelligent fictional races are typical.

In the case of furry characters, these are upright-walking characters that are basically humans with animal heads, fur, tails, and sometimes paws or claws. Within furry fandom the general convention is to call humanoid furry characters "[[anthro]]" or "[[morphic]]" (abbreviations of "[[anthropomorphic]]"). Non-humanoid furry characters--that is, those characters that walk on four legs and have animal bodies--are conversely referred to as "[[non-anthro]]" or "[[non-morphic]]."

For some furry fans, a humanoid form is required to call a character a "furry."

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Funny animal

2005-08-26T02:42:55Z

Krishva: expanded stub with some wikipedia info--added section about opinions on application of term to furry characters

'''Funny animal''' is a cartooning term for the genre of [[comics]] and [[animated cartoon]]s in which the main characters are [[humanoid]] or [[talking animal|talking]] animals. An animal character in such a cartoon may also be called a '''funny animal'''.

While most funny animal stories are light-hearted and humorous, the genre is not exclusively comedic. Dark or serious stories featuring [[anthropomorphic]] animals can also be grouped under the "funny animals" category. These stories may intersect with any other genre or group of genre, including historical stories, science fiction, Westerns, slapstick comedy, children's entertainment, and satire.

==Are funny animals the same as [[furry]] characters?==
Opinions vary on whether funny animals are the same as furries. Generally, the categories are not thought to be mutually inclusive ''or'' exclusive. That is, some (but not all) furries are funny animals, and vice versa.

However, there are some more extreme perspectives on the topic. Some insist that "funny animal" is simply a euphemism for "furry," with no distinction between the two; others believe that the two types of animal character are distinct. In the latter case, mainstream cartoon characters such as [[Garfield]], [[Hobbes]] of ''Calvin & Hobbes'', the [[Looney Tunes]] cast, and [[Mickey Mouse]] are considered funny animals, not furries.

{{wikipedia|Funny animal}}

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