User talk:Spirou

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Ikario Rainbow: Question on the deletion of the page Dracatox (Dratox)

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== [[File:Pawstop.png|25px]] Regarding article Personal Exclusion (article removal) from Wikifur ==

* Please consult the [[Wikifur]]'s page about "''[[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|article exclusion]]''" first.
* The request must be made by the article's user '''ONLY''', with some exceptions (next of kin, lawyer/barrister, etc...).
* The exclusion will delete the ability for others to edit it any further, plus a protection layer is added by Wikifur's [[curator]]s so is no longer searchable on such sites such as [[W:Google|Google]].
* NOTE: [[WikiFur:Personal information|Removal of personal information]] is normally not the same as exclusion, and it can be done without needing curator assistance.
* The request can be made in a myriad of ways (Email, [[Bluesky]], or [[Fur Affinity]]'s DM), but the best way is to send me a DM via BlueSky at "SpirouWikifur”.

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== Personal exclusion ==

Hello, I sent you a dm via twitter about a page removal, if you could get back to me on that I would really appreciate it, thank you (I hope this is the right way of submitting this) - {{unsigned|Rahh00ouu}}
:Alright, sorry about the delay (RL work), let me work on that personal exclusion (shouldn't take that long), brb. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 22:05, 5 November 2023 (EST)
::...Aaand done. Article content was deleted, plus protection was applied to it so it cannot be Google searched/nor can it be recreated by anybody back into the wiki.
::If you need anything else in the future, don't hesitate to contact me. Take care and Cheers!. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 22:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)

::I need your help editing [[W:Sparkie the wolf|sparkie the wolf]]. it has been hacked - [[User:Sparkie.the.wolf|Sparkie]] ([[User talk:Sparkie.the.wolf|talk]])

== Personal exclusion ==

Hello, I responded to you on X in regards to page removal for Crowe Basalt. Thank you! - {{unsigned|184.4.91.186}}

::Plz try again, I have 5 DM msgs, but none mention ''Crowe Basalt''. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 15:04, 20 November 2023 (EST)

== Cassidy Civet ==

Hi there,

I'm just wondering, what exactly was wrong with the edits on the Cassidy Civet page? The page currently functions as the subject's personal blog (which is not how Wiki articles are supposed to read). I spent quite a bit of time reformatting the page to remove unnecessary fluff while rebuilding the convention attendance list, and including additional and new research. Why exactly were the changes reverted? --[[Special:Contributions/50.125.93.8|50.125.93.8]] 21:05, 26 November 2023 (EST)

:Hallo.

:"''The page currently functions as the subject's personal blog''", hmm, you haven't seen some of the more... larger articles on this wiki (they make this article look like a one-paragraph blurb), your POV phrasing indicates you are coming in gunning for this user in the first instance, and letting people update their own article is not (once, once, once again) against Wiki's policies (including [[Wikifur]], so...

:Yes, there is a lot of work to be done with this article, a lot of fluff and redundancy to be taken care of, but there is some valid info there (so obliterating the whole '''Convention attendance''' section almost out without trying to salvage anything was not your best edit). Feuds are normally personal, and unless they affect the fandom as a whole, or they are very uncouth, they don't belong in a '''Controversy''' section. In your edit, you did not check grammar, double links, redundancy, fix the ext. links, or other needed really, really needed "copy editing".

:We need editors, but not the type we have to babysit after each edit (it is tiresome). Hope you understand - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 21:48, 26 November 2023 (EST)
::Hi there! I’m terribly sorry about the confusion here. Responding to the comment you left on my page: I did not intend to employ any subterfuge. I took the message about copyediting to be about the way the article was written. I will admit I have never seen an article as long as Cassidy's on this website. However, are the other ones also containing a lot of superfluous details that don't add to the article? Ones I've noticed in Cassidy's are things such as talking about things she didn’t do, mentioning her visiting friends after a con, or unusual sections about how certain cons were failures for her. What my edit intended to do was capture the important details out of those roughly fifty paragraphs by including them in the fandom involvement section, preserve which cons in particular she had performed at via a brand new convention attendance list, and expand on other sections. If I was gunning for her, I would not have gone to the effort of making that brand new list with those details in it. If there’s anything you feel I should have left in my edit from the current version, that could be put in the fandom involvement section, I’d be happy to revise it and fix it; it took me quite a long time to make the edits that I did, so I wouldn't want it to all be for nothing.

::I'm also sorry I didn't fix that other stuff; I had already been working on fixing the article up for several hours and wanted to take a break. I suppose I shouldn't have removed the copywriting blurb, so my apologies.

::(Also, for clarity's sake, these edits were done anonymously to avoid possible retaliation from the subject, as they have a long history of feuding with individuals, and it is evident how important this page is to them with how much they edit it. I'm sorry for not being more forthright in my identity; I have had an account on here for many years, for the record. If you're willing to work this out more closely to fix her article up, I would be open to talking on Telegram, if you do have it.) --[[Special:Contributions/50.125.93.8|50.125.93.8]] 22:06, 26 November 2023 (EST)

== Permission to use photographs ==

Hello! I run a [https://equestripedia.org/ fan wiki], and I was doing research for the late [[Wendell Washer]]. Since your photographs seem to be some of the only pictures of the man on the internet, I am here to request permission to upload them to my site as well. The photographs will of course not be profited off of and we will credit you properly.--[[User:Amelia Was Alone|Amelia Was Alone]] ([[User talk:Amelia Was Alone|talk]]) 11:32, 29 November 2023 (EST)

== PepperCoyote Covid controversy + vendoring blacklist ==

Hello. I don't really understand how you came to the conclusion that Pepper's Covid controversy isn't related to the furry fandom. It involved himself, a fairly high profile person within the fandom, trying to encourage and instruct other people, also in the fandom, on how to lie on their covid vaccine applications which caused them to receive backlash from, again, people in the fandom. It's a furry directly interacting with other furries and furries reacting to that furry. If this is considered to be unrelated to the fandom, than what exactly ''is'' considered relevant? There are several articles on site that come to mind which include information that could also be considered unrelated to the fandom or as personal incidents. Articles such as [[Simba_Lion_(United_States)]] mentioning a shootout with the police (how is that related to the fandom or not a personal incident?) or the other [[https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Simba_Lion_(United_Kingdom)]]'s article mentioning him being wanted by the police (again, this seems more like what would be actually described as a personal incident unrelated to the fandom).
I'm also unsure why you changed the "Restricted from vendoring and/or performing" indicator to only mention performing when Pepper himself explicitly stated that they had been blacklisted from vendoring in the dealers den at MFF. - {{unsigned35.151.75.132}}

:Because is not: Cheating on taxes, cutting in line, getting a COVID vaccine early, etc, are personal "issues", not fandom "controversies" (had he told people NOT to get the COVID-19 vaccine, then that would be a controversy, as he would have put people in possible danger, including death).

:We cover murders, rape, stealing, and other mainstream criminal deeds, as it has affected furries in the past (and unfortunately, in the future). Getting a COVID-19 vaccine early by using subterfuges only makes him look bad, and if somebody else does it because he suggested it, well, not kosher, but still '''not''' a real controversy. You trying to shove a non-issue into an article because it is clear you have a POV issue with this person, not the mentality to have in a place where neutrality is king.

:As per "vendoring": (A) Checking social media, his musical performances were banned, not his "vendoring", and (B) "Vendoring" is more commonly used in software parlance, "Vending" is the one related to selling wares. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 00:07, 11 December 2023 (EST)

==Thanks==
Thanks for the unbanning,. [[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] ([[User talk:Tai 1|talk]]) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (EST)
:No probs, you just got caught up by mistake during spam cleanup. Cheers!. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:28, 18 December 2023 (EST)

==EasyTimeline pages on the site.==

Hi, Spirou. I think that something is broken with EasyTimeline on the site. We use it mainly for the [[Template:Timeline of conventions|Convention Timeline]] and a couple of other smaller graphs. Right now, any edits result in a broken image icon. The currently displaying timeline is only there because the image is cached on the server side. I had originally wondered if we had hit some kind of internal size limit, but I played around with a much smaller table in my talk sandbox, and got the same behavior. Based on my edits, I can pinpoint that it broke sometime between October 29 and November 6.

Side note: I kind of worry about how much cpu and memory load it takes to generate the timeline, though I suppose once the image is cached, it is fine.

Thank you - [[User:TheRedSquirrel|TheRedSquirrel]] ([[User talk:TheRedSquirrel|talk]]) 15:04, 20 December 2023 (EST)

:Hallo, TheRedSquirrel. Unfortunately, I am not privy to the underpinnings of [[Wikifur]], code-wise, [[User:Greenreaper|curator Greenreaper]] would be the one (and top) person with this knowledge. I am sorry I cannot help you with this matter. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 05:58, 21 December 2023 (EST)

==The more damaged pages==
Hello! It seems like the pages with the nyan cat gif somehow have the html edited directly. The div element that contains the main page content has a style attribute added, and there is an 'a' and 'p' element added for the gif and text. Hope this info helps. - [[User:TEC Con Staff|TEC Con Staff]] ([[User talk:TEC Con Staff|talk]]) 02:01, 29 December 2023 (EST)

== Personal exclusion ==

I am deeply offended at the matter you deem my career a quote on quote "nonsense". I feel like you should rethink this action immediately before striking down true posts of matters you do not understand, good day sir/ma'am/other - {{unsigned|TotallynotFerret}}

== Image Addition ==
Hello! On the [[Euphorica]] page, you removed my line preparing to insert an image (as I was unable to able to upload an image). As I haven't become autoconfirmed yet, I was hoping you could upload the image so we could put it back? The [https://i.imgur.com/b9fEBf7.jpeg| image in question here.] <br>
I'd greatly appreciate it, <br>
- [https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User_talk:Maddie72| Maddie! ]
:Done!. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 19:42, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== Personal exclusion ==

Hello, I hope I done this correctly, I am looking to get my page excluded as I wouldn't like to have it anymore, I did DM you on twitter but not sure if it got through, Thanks - {{unsigned|Tevosilverfox }}
:Hallo. Unfortunately, I cannot do Personal Exclusions at this present time; I am already taking care of 11 users requesting them on '''X''', and I am a little behind just patrolling the Recent Pages due to my RL animation job and life. Other colleagues could help you on this matter, or if you don't mind for my to catch up, I can do it later, hopefully before the end of this month, Cheers - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 19:42, 16 January 2024 (EST)
::No that's fine, There is no rush, Thanks for the response :) - {{unsigned|Tevosilverfox }}

== Email ==

Hi Spirou

I sent you a fairly high priority/urgent email through the site's system, I don't know if you got it or not. I've had no acknowledgement of such. It's an extremely sensitive topic that I don't want to discuss publicly. If you can't respond through discord, the email address registered to this account will work as well.

- [[User:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|WhiteTigerOfTheWest]] ([[User talk:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|talk]])

:Hallo; I have been really behind schedule due to RL and pro work since September 2023, and it has not slowed down for Jan 2024. Let me check my Apple Mail program for your email, I have filters set for Wikifur letters going to its own mailbox, but Apple software is n longer guaranteed it will work (ending up on spam, et al), so let me check/BRB live...

:Okay, found it, and, unfortunately, the article(s) can not be set to "read-only" (due to the nature of the site being a living Wiki, at least at the present moment, ), so the two options you have is to either Personal Exclude them, or leaving them up and just keep an eye on them/revert sus edits, just like the rest of current user articles on the site... Unless Colleague GreenReaper has an alternate third/fourth/etc choice. Sry (as for KF, I don't think they are not even operational anymore, according to mainstream news, just FYI). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 18:30, 30 January 2024 (EST)

:: Hello once again and thank you for the response! Given circumstances I don't think my article will be the target of vandalism anymore, or at least not until my uh, personal decisions, are more public. That being said, I think it's for the best I ask for a personal exclusion to have the article deleted/removed so I can craft an improved one for myself as I am now. Last I checked KF was struggling to stay afloat as the 2023 lawsuit damages have cost the owner quite dearly. - [[User:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|WhiteTigerOfTheWest]] ([[User talk:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|talk]])

:::So go ahead with exclusion then?. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 02:18, 2 February 2024 (EST)

::::Yes please! If possible please permanently remove as much as you can. - [[User:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|WhiteTigerOfTheWest]] ([[User talk:WhiteTigerOfTheWest|talk]])

:::::And done. Plus image(s) removal, plus sach protection applied. If you need anything else, just DM me, Cheers. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 22:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)

== Personal re-inclusion ==

Hi Spirou,

Even after 8+ years, I still get a little nervous editing here. I was originally known as [[User:LexiconTohin|LexiconTohin]] back in 2016; I no longer can access that account, and I haven't used that specific alias in a while. I was curious in re-enabling/unlocking my page, but possibly having it renamed to "Lexicon" as the surname isn't used anymore. I feel as if it could be beneficial for the page to reflect my current contributions to the fandom, with additional community input.
Would just making a new page called [[Lexicon]] be acceptable, or just renaming the current page? I wanted to reach out before doing anything drastic.

Thanks,
--[[User:Lexicon|Lexicon]] ([[User talk:Lexicon|talk]]) 22:46, 2 February 2024 (EST)

:Done and done. Did a quick edit (a lot of refs are 404), so you will need to give it a once-over. Your [[Fur Affinity]] is still locked, so I couldn't find the article image's missing image, just FYI. Cheers. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 22:29, 4 February 2024 (EST)

== In Regards to Fons the Bun (RL) ==
Hi Spirou,

I noticed that you made a recent edit on [[Fons The Bun]] on the request that all RL info on him (besides his country of residence) should not be made public on the main artist/person page. Does this apply to all other persons going forward (such as a page dedicated to BardicRJ), or is it just limited to ones who requested their RL info not to be made public like Fons?

Also, the user himself requested the removal? I didn't see any [[X (social media)|X]] posts on his feed regarding this matter.-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 23:33, 4 February 2024 (EST)

:This pertains to only this user (so far), and the request was made via a X’s DM. If you wish to confirm, DM Fons himself. He should still be online, as the request was done recently. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 23:50, 4 February 2024 (EST)
::Or just to expedite the proof of the request:
::[[File:IMG 6110.jpeg|thumb|left|300px|Fons’ DM request via X]]<br>

::Is this enough? - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 23:58, 4 February 2024 (EST)

:::It is. Also, I would love to DM him about the matter, but I am not a verified user on that site. Also, does the removal of RL info rule also apply to his music stuff (Urban Tales and Rabbit Trails, Rewind Life, etc.) too or is it safe having his RL info being openly public on those pages?-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 00:28, 5 February 2024 (EST)

::::Yes. Stick with pro/fandom' s handles/AKAs - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 00:48, 5 February 2024 (EST)

== Species notability ==

Good day, where can I find the requirements for a species to be notable enough to be able to have its own page on Wikifur? [[User:Zaisarel|Zaisarel]] ([[User talk:Zaisarel|talk]]) 23:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)
:When they are an hard, established part of furry lore and history, and an easily seen or fan-drawn species on most furry galleries (see [[Bambioid]]s, [[Chakat (species)|Chakat]]s, [[Foxtaur]]s, [[folf]]s, [[Skunktaur (Chakat-kin)]], etc, etc [even mainstream species like [[Tauren]]s, [[Centaur]]s or [[SCP-1471]]]), or instant success (by large numbers and likes) such as [[Dutch Angel Dragon]]s, [[Protogen]]s, and/or [[Sergal]]s. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 23:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)

== Editing ==

Well I'm sorry, but I am not childish… I was just trying to make my article look nice by removing extra social links. So, I won't touch the article again..[[User: Sparkie.the.wolf|Sparkie]] ([[User talk:Sparkie.the.wolf|talk]])
:No, you can continue to edit to your heart's content. The issue is this article is constantly being edited by you, a couple of editors, an a lot of Anon IPs, with edits that make no sense, and if they make sense, is not announced as such on the save window, making it hard to determine or discern if it is valid, suspect, or vandalism.

In short, it needs in the futureto be more clear what is going on with an explantion. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:57, 21 February 2024 (EST)

== Lumin City / Peacewolf ==

Please look into what [[User talk:Lumin City]] is doing to the [[Peacewolf]] article and fix what he's broken if deemed broken, I reverted once but its been reverted back by him I don't want to engage in a revert war and get banned. There's a lot of edits and removal of important info and its being slowly replaced by junk over multiple edits and I think his intent is to remove as much of the content as possible to be slowly replaced by hate and what I consider drama so its less noticeable that he has done this. I understand he maybe added the tag that allows a POV edit but I think this is another excuse to slowly vandalise the article, While she is controversial I don't think removing her convention info or other facts to just replace whole sections with drama is good for Wikifur He is messing up the article/page.

I also think you should find out if he is the real Lumin City as this person has allegedly been involved in convection drama, sending out fake Cease and desist letters to convention attendees and causing other drama. https://twitter.com/TrippWahDog/status/1749605387144171555 the reason I see this as relevant in this context is that there seems to be evidence from around the fandom of malicious behaviour or anti social behaviour and I think this is transferring to Wikifur..

If the edits are within the right context of a Wikifur article and the content removed is acceptable to remove please ignore this message. [[User:Fesothe|Fesothe]] ([[User talk:Fesothe|talk]]) Fesothe

== Khord Kitty ==

Please delete my page. I've been the victim of countless death threats, people have swatted my previous residence and my families safety is compromised by the anonymous misinformation campaign that has been orchestrated by Joshua Moon and furry social media influencers. I just want my page wiped so I can focus on different hobbies. To me the furry fandom has transformed from an asset to a liability.

Simply put the online fandom rage against me is purely sourced from people using the context-dropping fallacy to supplement their defamation, not from any wrongdoing on my part. It's in my and my families best interest that the WikiFur page I created in 2008 is deleted.

[[Khord Kitty]] and [[Khord_Kitty_(filmography)]] are what I want deleted. - {{unsigned|ThisisGabe}

:Just waiting for your confirmation DM on X to start your [[Personal exclusion]]. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 14:00, 4 March 2024 (EST)

== Lumin City ==

Would it be alright if I copied his page to a real article and removed the irrelevant parts? [[User:Rippaid|Rippaid]] ([[User talk:Rippaid|talk]])
:Do you mean to start a new user article on this person? If there is relevant info on his user page (and I have yet to peruse what is in there), and if it is honestly worth it to start one, go ahead (I would recommend creating the article on your user page, finesse it there, then transfer it to the main Wiki when ready).

:Just keep it neutral, plz. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 21:05, 4 March 2024 (EST)

== My page is doxxed, please remove the history commit which still shows my ID, Personal Info, my real address and family phone numbers. ==

My Page:
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:DarkBloodKing - {{unsigned|DarkBloodKing}}

:Already ahead of you (as in done) - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 11:31, 9 March 2024 (EST)

== Sorry to bother you again, could you remove my wiki page forgot to mention that too. ==

Is there any way to lock my personal user page editing beside the wiki page ? Anonymous users vandalized it today.
Please remove my personal information history commit in and lock it to only allow approved users forever:
https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/DarkBloodKing - {{unsigned|DarkBloodKing}}

:Personal Real Life info already removed. Locking your user page?, no, terribly sorry, that is currently not possible (except during excessive vandalism... and then is just temporary).

:Also, I restored the furry historical data (not RL info, more public in this case, and putting this "facts" on a doxxing page is quite asinine) on those three articles, but if doxxing is still a grave concern regarding the whole of all three entries, I would recommend a perma/temp outright removal of all.

:Because if you continue de-editing them, at this pace they will be subject to outright deletion, as they will no longer be informative articles. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 11:31, 9 March 2024 (EST)

== "Fluff" ==

What the heck do you think in the article I wrote is "fluff"? It's all information that makes me ''relevant and important in the fandom'' while keeping things concise and not filling the article too much. That's the point of articles about people - explaining ''why they are important to the fandom'' with short bits of information and links to the sources. I know English isn't your primary language, but I really suggest you rework your personal definitions of words that have different meanings than you personally think they have.

You say "this article about a person is a stub and could be expanded" and then you say there's too much fluff. Both of those contradict one another. Either it's too short or there's not enough info. I am fairly prolific in the fandom, and while I am not as active as I used to be, I am still actively developing the Sigma AU. If you think that the Sigma AU needs its own WikiFur article, being a furry-inclusive AU, then tell me. User talk pages exist for a reason as do article talk pages.

'''Shortname doesn't need to be present in the article even if it's the title''', and if you look at real wikipedia articles, oftentimes the title of a person's article is shorter than their full name. For example, the Wikipedia article for [[W:Johnny_Depp|Johnny Depp]] has his shortname as the title of the article and his full name as the opening.

Furthermore, the article doesn't need "additional sources", all the sources link directly to near or direct proof of the claims in the article. Remove the citations tag. Your draconian monitoring and editing of articles in this manner is wholly unnecessary. [[User:RedFoxOfTheEast|RedFoxOfTheEast]] ([[User talk:RedFoxOfTheEast|talk]]) 22:04, 17 March 2024 (EST)
:” It's all information that makes me relevant and important in the fandom”. Congratulations, you failed to grasp what a Wiki is for. Wiki are, about people, information websites providing insightful, interesting, and relevant information about users. Wikis, including [[Wikifur]], are not “your personal” property to make you look “good” and “important” anywhere, for that you use a personal website.

:"''That's the point of articles about people - explaining ''why they are important to the fandom''" quite correct, to the >fandom<, not using it to self-aggrandize oneself. “If you look at Wikipedia”; congrats again, you get to find out also we are not Wikipedia; Wikifur borrows a lot editing syntax from Wikipedia, but we dance to our tune.

:"''Your draconian monitoring and editing of articles in this manner is wholly unnecessary''". Do you mean Recent Pages' patrolling?, because that is what editors do, curator or not, we all patrol/check articles to make sure they conform to Wikifur’s editing rule and make changes if needed.

:And your behavior regarding this incident paints you like somebody who is above the rules, so please take the one-month temp ban, and please learn/re-learn proper human interaction. And before you go with the “you are personally targeting me!!1!”, I didn't know anything about you until I noted that the short name didn't need to be deleted, especially if it is the name of the article. You could have responded with “but I prefer the full name”, cool!, that could have been resolved by me just moving the article over to the preferred handle.

:But, no. You both took it personally and then demanded it be reverted because “ It's all information that makes me relevant and important in the fandom”. Truly, don't make this, a user article on a wiki, the hill you going to die on. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:30, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

== Furality Inc - Remuneration Controversy ==

Hi Spirou. The paragraph removed in [https://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Furality_Online_Xperience&diff=581709&oldid=581706 this edit] pertained to a controversy wherein despite Furality's public statements stating that board members are not paid and volunteer their time, a board member was being compensated by being contracted as the 'Creative Director', and then receiving board-determined compensation for said position. Compensated positions in Furality are uncommon and it is understood that this position was not advertised or open for application by other parties. Perhaps it is in the public interest for this controversy to be noted because these actions appear to have come across as misleading to some, and quite reasonably so.

What sources do you think are needed to get this re-added to the article and how would you like to see it worded such that it sticks directly to the facts? There are sources available including [https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/852497531/202303169349300375/full Furality Inc's FY2022 Form 990] showing the remuneration, a [https://web.archive.org/web/20240121042514/furality.org/org web archive] of the previous public statements stating that the organization is "all volunteer" and that "board members are not compensated". There is also a [https://web.archive.org/web/20240314005022/https://furality.org/org web archive] link showing that edits were made to Furality's website to remove the misleading statements and also sources showing the Furality DevOps Director having to [https://t.me/VR_Furs/273417 publicly justify the affair on Telegram]. There are other events relating to this matter for which sources are not readily available, but help substantiate that it indeed was controversial. [[User:Overtake983|Overtake983]] ([[User talk:Overtake983|talk]]) 22:10, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

:Hallo Overtake983; to be honest between RL pro work and the (daily increasing) queue of [[Wikifur]] articles I have set aside, I haven't been able to keep abreast of the [[Furality Online Xperience]]'s debacle (the managerial part, not the con itself), but I took a look at the ongoing editing warring, and noted that a consensus needed to be had between the parties involved without tearing each other's versions, so at the present moment, I would suggest if both parts/versions were displayed and edited on in the convention's talk page.

:Currently, as a curator lacking time and knowledge to add the 2 cents to the conversation, the talk page suggestion is the best I can do presently (but has worked on many other articles in the past, if that is reassurance). If there is anything else you think I could help with in this situation, just note me on this page. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 04:09, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

::Understood. For the record, the edits made by User:Foxxer appear to have been made by the Furality DevOps Director, Alofoxx, so there is an element of POV pushing by Furality on this article for PR reasons. [[User:Overtake983|Overtake983]] ([[User talk:Overtake983|talk]]) 19:18, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

:::I've drafted text on the talk page and have notified all previous participants. Will wait a week before adding it to the article. [[Talk:Furality_Online_Xperience#Controversies - Remuneration Part II]] [[User:Overtake983|Overtake983]] ([[User talk:Overtake983|talk]]) 20:36, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

== Page deletion/personal exclusion request ==

Hey Spiro I'm adding on to this like others have since I don't have Twitter to message you on. I need my page, [[Pestilence]], and my old account ([[Ketrino]]) deleted or turned into a personal exclusion. I can't access my old Ketrino account (no email attached?). Pestilence has way too much personal info, and I've since deleted the accounts linked in that article. I am still a furry, just under a different name and want to cut down on old accounts/personal info floating around. Thanks! = {{unsigned|‎71.11.202.21}}

:Hallo there; Unfortunately, I cannot process another Personal Exclusion at this current time (I have 27 requests in queue, mostly via [[Twitter|X]], with several with no way to prove ownership, so is taking a great chunk of my volunteer time to push them through as valid requests), add the 3000+ articles I am working on trying to add [[Wikifur]] before the end of the year, plus my real life job, I would recommend another curator to help you with this endeavor. In the extreme event they are also too busy, or it is taking waaaay too long to do so, I may try to squeeze it through, but I can't guarantee, apologies. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 23:27, 25 April 2024 (EDT)

== Bleu Major ==
Hi, Spirou. I noticed that you reverted all 3 of my edits on the [[Bleu Major]] page. Why does Bleu Major's page need to be wiki-fied again when all of their info-box information as well as the header image for said artist has been removed? Also, why the excessive use of red text? Wouldn't just redirects to corresponding Wikipedia articles do the trick?-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 19:36, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

:Actually it wasn't reverted, the prior edits were restored (the article wasn't finished wikifying just yet the first time, hence the restoration of the cleanup tags). Red tags indicate links that have yet to be connected to the appropriate internal and/or external links, and yes/no, some of the red links will go to Wikipedia, but some will be internal ([[Wikifur]]), and some will be on the web. Why the links?... This is an article in Wikifur, accessible to US and Worldwide readers, so the article must offer information out of the bat (''[[World of Critterton]]''???, no links?, same with ''[[Tails from the Federation]]'', ''[[Bloody Cutlass.]]'', etc) without forcing people to search all over the web for additional information.
:("Excessive"?, no, just links that need yet to be worked on, one more reason the '''Wikify''' and '''Copyedit''' tags cannot be taken down yet). I hope this helps. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 20:17, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

::Instead of just continuing with this thread, I already went and updated the article enough to finally remove some of the cleanup tags, leaving just a handful of red links that I need to work on before connecting them, added two {{clarify}} tags that need resolve (leaving the "unref" tag in place then), plus remove additional duplications. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 20:42, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Furry Book of Style ==
Hi, it's me again. What exactly is this so called "Furry Book of Style" format? Isn't this supposed to be like pages with info-box (i.e. [[Triple Threat]])? I bring this up since most of the pages I follow no longer has the info-box like what you did on YonKaGor's WF page; I wish there were examples on some articles adhering to this "Furry Book of Style" in the site's Help Center.-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 10:10, 14 May 2024 (EDT)

: The [[Help:Furry Book of Style|Furry Book of Style]] is not fully finished, so some edit changes are made based on Curator's passed edit styles. In short, if the '''Furry Book of Style''' does not cover it yet, follow a Curator's last formating. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:36, 19 May 2024 (EDT)

== Removal request ==

Hello

I have reason to believe that I'm being stalked and I made a mistake many years ago putting WAY too much personal info on this page

https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Dex_Freisen

I'd like to respectfully request that the page be taken down or, at the least, blanked out to protect my information

Thank you - {{unsigned|DexDaCat}}
:Please send me [[X|Twitter]] DM at [https://x.com/SpirouWikifur my X account]. Will start Personal Exclusion after the confirmation. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:36, 19 May 2024 (EDT)

== Thank you on behalf of VRChat ==

Heyyy, it's [[user:Meeran|Meeran]].

I wanted to thank you very very much for recognizing how great of a deal that [[VRChat]] is to the furry fandom, and allowing me to create articles on Wikifur for VRChat and various furry conventions that happened on VRC. VRChat's community team ended up reaching out to me, because they wanted to make their own official curated Wikibase, and I was elected to be one of their (volunteer) collaborators and wiki moderators. Cheers to you guys - our efforts are legitimately helping out the entire VRChat userbase. I felt the need to write this note here, due to how much it means to me. So thank you guys for being here. Glad to be of service! :)

- [[User:Meeran|Meeran]] ([[User talk:Meeran|talk]]) 08:40, 30 May 2024 (EDT)

:No problem✌🏻You are doing quite well yourself, glad to have you in our edit team. Cheers! - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 22:21, 1 June 2024 (EDT)
==Wanted Articles==
*[[Spore (Game Series)]] game about evolving custom made animals to sapience.
*[[Sweet Tooth (TV Series)]] Netflix series about human animal hybrids.
*[[VeggieTales (TV Series)]] Christian cartoon series about plant anthropomorphism.

== Use user page (user:RedFoxOfTheEast for example) as sandbox? ==
I asked this before, but wanted another clarification. For my blog, I really like Wiki-formatted lore entries.

Is it cool to use my user page as a formatting sandbox? I don't plan on saving anything, just using the Preview to copy and paste.

- [[User:RedFoxOfTheEast|RedFoxOfTheEast]] ([[User talk:RedFoxOfTheEast|talk]]) 16:10, 20 June 2024 (EDT)

== Caught in the crossfire ==

Hi, I came back on to WikiFur to update one of my pages due to changes with my group recently and had discovered that I may have gotten swept up in the ban of an unregistered user. It would seem during my inactivity, someone had attempted to vandalize my page. While I appreciate your prompt response to the issue, I'm hoping this matter can be resolved so I can make the necessary changes to the Pinefur Meets page to keep information up to date. Thank you.

- [[User:Toofy|Toofy]] 11:05, 16 July 2024 (EDT)
:Hallo; do you have the IP number being blocked so I can reverse it?. Thanks in advance - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 00:39, 18 July 2024 (EDT)
::Nevermind. It appears my home IP address is fine. I tried accessing while on 4G before, which assigned me a random IP, and seems the vandal was also on that same IP. I apologize for the confusion.
- [[User:Toofy|Toofy]] 22:43, 1 Aug 2024 (EDT)
:::No problem; query me if need any further assistance, cheers - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 01:42, 2 August 2024 (EDT)

== Bands as Albums? ==

Um, why does the band pages of [[NovaSlicers]] and [[Scratch21 (band)|Scratch21]] have the "Culture > Music > Albums" thingy at the top? Shouldn't that be tied along the lines of "Community > Music > Bands"? Also, the former ("Culture > Music > Albums") should be applied to pages such as "[[Holoplankton]]" and "[[SCRMS]]". {Reposting this here since there was zero replies in the "Watercooler" section of the WF Forums}-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 01:05, 7 August 2024 (EDT)
::Looking at it right now, can't seem to find the obvious bit of edit to tweak, testing some tricks on various articles but no luck so far. If I can't find a solution soon (on a pro work animation deadline right now), I would defer to [[GreenReaper]] and his edit expertise. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:40, 7 August 2024 (EDT)
:::The solution is probably in front of my nose, but I'm already way behind RL work, so I will ask curator [[GreenReaper]] for an assist on this matter (at least one article <nowiki>[</nowiki>''[[Arc Of Vomit]]''<nowiki>]</nowiki>) was updated with very much needed musical info. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 04:16, 7 August 2024 (EDT)
::::Curator Greenreaper has fixed the issue, and it seems to be a global setting tweak, so '''Album''' and '''Band''' articles do not need to be edited any further regarding this matter. Hope this is to your liking. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 06:03, 7 August 2024 (EDT)

== Editing a page and gaining image perms ==

Hi, I'm trying to make the [[Echo_(game)]] wiki page more organized and cohesive but you reverted my changes for "removing seemingly valid data", said data being very crude descriptions of the main cast and their routes, some of which containing misinformation. If I add improved characters summaries, will my changes be kept? Also, how do I gain the permissions to upload a thumbnail for an infobox I'd like to include on the page? The page describing autoconfirmed users says that one must make a few edit contributions and "wait a while" to gain image upload permissions, which is vague to say the least. Thanks in advance. - [[User:Pargatto|Pargatto]] ([[User talk:Pargatto|talk]]) 01:54, 9 August 2024 (EDT)
:You just need to provide more explanatory data on the '''summary box'''; that much blanking looks like vandalism, while that much blanking with what looks like valid data it what we call an '''ED edit''' (vandalize while looking like a normal editor.

:If there is not enough space on the summary box to provide a lenthgly explanation, just use the articles’s talk page (which you explained correctly on the above explanatory answer). We are trying to make sure the edits are kosher, if it was a good faith edit, then do go, and Danke for reading this.

(Oops, forgot, normally you must wait to be able to upload media, but try again, sometimes it allows you if you post enough text data). - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 23:33, 9 August 2024 (EDT)

== Being a better editor ==

Hi, Spirou. I hope this week is treating you well. I have a motivation to continue editing for Wikifur, but you have probably noticed I've had a few hiccups with providing accuracy and detail when producing information on articles recently. When it comes to finding facts and references about the source material (especially given how niche and spread out this fandom can be), is there any criteria on research that you use? If you have any further tips for me, don't be afraid to let me have it. Thanks, buddy. [[User:Meeran|Meeran]] ([[User talk:Meeran|talk]]) 12:30, 12 August 2024 (EDT)
:Checking your edits, you seem to find the issues and fixed them just fine. I really don't know any tricks to the art of the edit, the only thing going for me is that I took history in college, especially the Second World War II, so I became quite engrossed in research. I also use this in my daily animation work and toy/product and design, really trying to keep abreast what is the latest on everything, it helped me in college, and now it does for my RL work and voluntary work here on [[Wikifur]]. Errors will occur, we know what we are doing if we see them and correct them. You doing fine. Cheers - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 07:45, 17 August 2024 (EDT)

== Requesting deletion/personal exclusion request ==
A page was made for me apparently by Eikaridu 02 whom I knew close to two decades ago. He made a page for me for some reason without my consent or approval. And It has personal information. I'd appreciate it if you could delete/purge the page? I created an account and a few weeks ago tried to delete the entry myself but it was restored. After being cyber-stalked to the point its effected my last and current job with prank calls and complaints lodged against me, I'd appreciate it if I could scrub my past as much as possible from the net so I don't have to tell a future boss what a furry is... again for the third time.

https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Rovest A link to the page in question. I'd really appreciate the help in this matter.

== Could {{u|Awesomelink234}} be banned from the wiki? ==

During June 2023 she had been discovered to be partaking in serious illegal activity [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Awesomelink234 as seen here] so I want to give you a heads up on what she did. Maybe there’s no point in banning her and I will let you make a decision on whenever or not you want her in or not but I want to know if this is something you would ban her for. - {{unsigned|74.12.13.41}}
:A) She has not vandalize anything in here, but whenever she does "vandalize", then actions may be taken, and B) all the links I tried shows zero "Illegal Activity", so either I clicked on the non-illegal ones, you [[drama]]tized her actions/deeds/edits, or there is no such "Activity". Wherever the case, nothing presented makes a point of pre-banning her at the present moment. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 00:05, 5 September 2024 (EDT)

== The Whsprs "Cleanup" (Sept. 2024) ==

Hi. I am just honestly confused as to why is there a great need to undo some of my edits over at [[Whsprs]] and re-insert brackets to almost everything. Most of the Real Life (RL) things listed in the Discography section (Pretty Life, Mavi Phoenix, Zeeba, etc.) were left with no brackets as 1) its not related to furry and 2) no such Wikipedia article exists. Why did those remaining RL stuff mandatorily need to have the brackets? Am also confused as to why Unref and Copyedit had to be there, when the former has ref sources all over the page and the latter...I'm just at a loss of why CE had to be included as well.-[[User:DJ Lucifera|DJ Lucifera]] ([[User talk:DJ Lucifera|talk]]) 12:27, 12 September 2024 (EDT)

::<nowiki>*Sigh*</nowiki> Because. the. article. is. not. finished. being. edited.
::"Undo",... Do you mean when I added a future red link to [[Legends]], you took it out? that was de-editing, not an "edit" (eventually a hard internal blue link <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Furality Legends]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> was established).
::"Why did those remaining RL stuff mandatorily?"... Because they can be linked or eventually be linked, hence a red future link.
::The '''Unref''' tag is to remind users that references are needed and/or the reference provided needs to be edited to conform to [[Wikifur]] standards (no Wikipedia syntax, add a text blurb to the reference so readers can see why is referenced, add "Retrieve", "Dated", and other proper ref syntax, hence the "Unref" tag.
::And stop adding the "Person Infobox" unless a user article qualifies for it.
::We edit to conform to Wikifur's syntax rules, not to conform to anybody's personal editing preferences. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 02:07, 13 September 2024 (EDT)

:::You took out the "Unref" tag again after I re-added it (...) That is at best "improper editor behavior", "vandalism" at worst (don't. push. it), and since you are not listening, and I don't have the contributor time, I fixed the refs and a couple of other items in the user article, and now the article does not need necessary "Cleanup tags" anymore. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 03:00, 13 September 2024 (EDT)

== Doxxing (Re: Halfshell) ==

@Spirou, what do i need to prove my blood relationship to Dragoneer without Doxxing myself or living family memebers? --[[User:Halfshell|Halfshell]] ([[User talk:Halfshell|talk]]) 02:18, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

:Sorry I was late responding to this allegation, as it was buried in your talk page, and it '''never''' transpired in the first place (the part where I '''asked you to "''dox yourself and your family'''''")...

:'''Note''': Any user that makes a claim that can be notorious will >always< have a {{cn}} tag added to that allegation(s); This will produce two results: (A) A valid reference will be added and the {{cn}} removed, or, (B) due to certain reasons (including personal) this cannot be "referenced", so it will remain there more or less forever. This has happened to hundreds of articles, with both results happening.

:Adding a {{cn}} tag is never a request/demand/order to the initial editor that added that bit of information to '''Dox''' themselves or others. Never will, never happened. Hope this is clear, Cheers - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 00:55, 21 September 2024 (EDT)

== Blocked user question ==

Hi Spirou,
I created an account here with the name [[GarrettFret]], but it was blocked with a message being given that the account was blocked indefinitely on the 13th October for possible spamming/trolling. I'd like to ask if my account could please be unblocked, as I am not a spam/troll account. I've joined here as I'm a fan of the community and may like to make small edits in the future. Thanks,
{{unsigned|Garrett}}

Hallo Garrett;

I just search and tested that article; it is currently not blocked, please try working with it see if the issue is with your IP (which it shouldn’t because you typed this request).

Also checked the block list, and '''GarrettFret''' is back to being fully operational. - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] ([[User talk:Spirou|talk]]) 09:55, 1 December 2024 (EST)

==Deleted species Dracatox==

Hi Spirou

I created the species Dracatox and added it here on wikifur so everyone who has questions usw. Would see everything here.

Today i saw you deleted my page out of nowhere. Did i do something wrong or do i need to do any changes on it? I dont understand what you mean with the reason why you deleted that Wikifurpage.(The reason i made the entry about the species on wikifur is because it got suggested by many of my followers who told me i should do the explanation and all other stuff on this platform) I also have all the rights on the species.

I would love to know what i need to do that it gets online again.

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