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Talk:Fur Affinity

2006-11-07T01:52:00Z

Honeymane:

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As discussed a while back by Green Reaper, internal redirects to Wikifur would be under "See also," while external ones (Like to the Wikipedia website,) would be set under "External Links." Has this been changed recently?. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:35, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

:I changed it to 'See Also' because it deals with the same subject, albeit on another site - but you're probably right - it ''is'' an external link after all. Though, I should mention that I have seen quite a few other articles here at WikiFur that enlists its wikipedian counterpart under 'See Also' instead of 'External Links', so I've got no clue as for what's really the correct way to do this. :) --[[User:MKerris|MKerris]] 22:54, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

::Funnily enough, I've just been writing the [[Help:Furry Book of Style|Furry Book of Style]] for this exact purpose, and others like it. My view is actually that links to Wikipeida and other wikis should be in ''See also'', as they are essentially the same as other article links, just on a different wiki site. Likewise, I typically put links from Wikipedia to WikiFur in these sections - I've seen this done in the past for links to [[Wikipedia:WikiWikiWeb|WikiWikiWeb]] and [[Wikipedia:MeatballWiki|Meatball]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:18, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

:::Alright then. Will need to change a couple of my own entries then. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 00:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

==Regarding the removal of Corrosive==

Regarding the [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=FurAffinity&curid=324&diff=0&oldid=26547&rcid=36011 removal of Corrosive] from the article, I noticed that it's impossible to verify who the admins of FurAffinity really are. There are no obvious links on the website, and bth the "Account" and "Help Desk" link are 404 at this time. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 23:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
:I made the edit (forgot to log in). As one of the admins and communitiy representatives of the site, I can assure you personally that Corrosive is not an admin. And that's all there is to it.
:--[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]]

== Fur Affinity URL edit ==

Oh man. I need not edit anything when deprived of two days of sleep (while stuck at work on nightshift no less). =| I can't beleive I made such as stupid error. HA! I am such a plebe! Thanks for the fix, Green. Red Bull only keeps me going so long. =P --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 07:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. Just remember that Red Bull may give you wings, but that doesn't mean you're qualified to fly quite ''that'' long. ;-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 11:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== Staff listing ==

JSharp - Did a little checking: [http://www.furaffinity.net/staff/ Fur Affinity's Staff Page]. Uncia's listed as a moderator. --[[User:DataBank|DataBank]] 03:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. This is twice that [[Damaratus]] has been moved back to admins, but the staff page says Moderator. I get the idea one page or the other is in error... question is which one? --[[User:DataBank|DataBank]] 16:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

:I recently promoted Damaratus to the status of administrator but as have not yet had a chance to update the staff roster on the site. If you need proof you can check the [http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=2745 promotion statement here]. --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 19:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

== Protected and artist listings ==

Why is this article locked? It's not drama to report the facts, whither or not it's liked. {{unsigned|Honeymane}}

:I will try to make this brief, but I'm not so sure how brief it will be. For that, I apologize in advance.

:The intent behind adding a list of users who are leaving FurAffinity is moot, and does not have any worthwhile informational value behind it. The fact that numerous people plan on or have left FurAffinity is not relevant to FurAffinity's history. That is relevant to the individual's history. If one wishes to write in the individual's article, "In 2006, [he/she] left FurAffinity," that is fine, because it is relevant to the individual. However, the fact that they left the FA community is not relevant to FA's global history.

:What I will contest is relevant, however, is that this had become such a scandal to the FurAffinity community, and thus, deserves historical notation. (I understand how pretentious it is to say "historical notation" on a Wiki, but you get my point :) So, I have decided to protect this article to prevent others from adding in this information, since the influx of people adding things to the Wiki will be great, I'm sure.

:I know I don't come around here very often to flex my administrative muscle, but seeing this drama explode and expand onto other places is just too much. I'd like to nip it in the bud where I can. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:I've unprotected this article (before seeing this, I might add). People should be free to add and remove sections as they see fit. If there is a disagreement here over whether or not there should be a list of people leaving, they should argue that here and get consensus from WikiFur editors first.

:Protection is appropriate in cases of vandalism. This is not, it is a disagreement on content. I appreciate your motives, verix, and I agree with your view in part, but I would ask you not to use your administrative powers to preserve your point of view. Contest it all you like, but on an equal footing. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

::You've a point. However, I'd like to warn you that I believe there's going to be a rather large influx of edit battles soon to arise out of all of this-- people adding the list, deleting it, back and fourth, etc.-- so I admit I jumped the gun and protected it before I believed it got started. The polarization of FurAffinity is certainly causing its current drama to expand to other parts.

::I agree with you, GreenReaper, and apologize for jumping the gun (and, essentially, using my own logic before consensus). But, again, I feel I must warn you that a rather large edit battle may arise, and we may have to protect the article again. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:::It's not the first time we've had such things happen. What normally happens is there's lots of adding (and some removing), then a few days later people get bored, and then a week or so later someone comes around and cleans up, and we end up with an article with more useful information than we started with.

:::My personal view is that numerous people leaving Fur Affinity over this decision '''is''' worth mentioning, but that it's not particularly relevant who the artists ''are'', except for those of particular prominence in the fandom. We could say something like "around 50 artists left over the new policy, including X and Y".

:::For reference, I was looking at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Protection policy|Wikipedia's protection policy]] when unprotecting, which is quite clear on people not using protection to enforce a particular edit they made. Of course, we're not Wikipedia, but I think it's good advice in general. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Yep. Again, I agree, the list is irrelevant, which is why I deleted it, but also agree that the statistic of people leaving is relevant as well. It was overkill to protect it. (Most of this is just reiterating what you've said already, but I'd still just like to make my point clear.)

::::Hopefully, though, this will be the catalyst to bring me back to this thing so I can actually do my job as an admin, instead of just doing what I did here tonight when I find it relevant. Sorry for the knee-jerk. I'll make sure not to let it happen again. :) [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::where should the list be posted? here? it maybe useful because alot of artist proflies are going to be in need of editting. and I forgot to sign again--[[User:142.177.139.173|142.177.139.173]] 07:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Quite frankly, I'm not sure. Perhaps in an article dedicated to the actual event itself? (Although, in that regard, I'm not sure if the event even deserves it's own article. Perhaps it does, though, since its informative reach has even gone to the likes of Encyclopedia Dramatica.) I just don't really see a point to maintaining a list of artists who've left, since the intent seems more to document a counter-offensive and make a mountain out a molehill, rather than inform. But on my judgement, if one were to post the list of artists who left, it'd certainly be in an article about the situation itself, rather than the site. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 07:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I would agree that a list of the artists that have left would be overkill; I think the article would be better off with a notation of how many people have left, with maybe one or two "big guns" mentioned. I don't think the situation merits its own entry; it's pretty much confined to Fur Affinity itself. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 08:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::But really, how would you get those numbers with any sort of accuracy? How many artists have declared their intent to leave but never actually did. How many artists left the site quietly? There is no way to really get an accurate number which would be more speculation, especially if those artists decided to comeback after cooling down from their initial reaction.

::::::::I understand your reasoning, but there's just no way to have solid numbers -- and even as lead admin for FA, I don't have those numbers on hand. There are too many variables to consider, and even if I did have them I would not release them because all they would do is further the drama. At some point, the drama needs to stop, people need to let go and move on.--[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 09:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::What we would like to do would be to quote a source which had done that research, and let the reader decide how accurate it was, based on the evidence they gave (which would probably include the names of those people they claimed to have left). For example, "A post on Place X stating that Y artists had left the site, including A and B". If there is no source, of course, no exact figure could be given. Even rough figures would be useful - after all, there's a big difference between 5, 50 or 500 artists leaving. And no, I wouldn't expect you to be able to furnish such a list, or desire to do so - it would be something that one of the artists would do, if they bothered to (that they'd done at all it might be some indication of relevance in itself). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::It is difficult of course to do such a thing, but I am trying to compose a list of artists who have left based on FA jounral's they've posted.
I attepted to leave a request on the FA LJ ask for anyone with information to post the artist's names, as I would assume that the majority of the people on there would have FA accounts and be watching people, and have prehaps seen other journals of people I do not watch, which state they are leaving/have left. However, I was told that such questions where too dramaic and was revolked from that Community. --[[User:142.177.139.173|142.177.139.173]] 22:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:There is the question of what constitutes an artist leaving. Some have taken all their artwork down, others are leaving it up but won't be uploading anything new (and they could be subdivided into those who will still be checking in and those who won't). Some are leaving temporarily until filters are in place. And some are taking time out to see what happens and then decide whether to return or leave for good.
:Possibly relevant is that some users were still upset over a database upgrade about two weeks ago that caused all private mail messages to be lost. For many it was no big deal, but some users had important information about trades, commissions, etc., that was lost as a result. While not really related to the cub issue, it may have contributed to some user's overall impression of dissatisfaction with FA. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 22:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::An excellent point--[[User:Honeymane|Honeymane]] 01:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Fur Affinity

2006-11-06T06:27:42Z

Honeymane:

User talk:Goldfur

2006-09-12T04:39:36Z

Honeymane:

Hi there, Goldfur, and welcome to WikiFur! Thank you for starting off the [[Garetta]] article. [[User talk:GreenReaper|Let me know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided.

I do have one question, as well (feel free to reply here or on my talk page) - did you obtain permssion from [[Roy D. Pounds II]] to upload [[:Image:GarettaMusicmakers.gif]]? If not, I am afraid we will probably have to delete it (as appropriate as it is), unless you can secure such permission. We take artist's copyrights seriously here - as a new contributor I thought I should check in case you were not aware of this. :-)

Thanks, and again, welcome! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:48, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Have you thought about moving your talk page information to the article about [[Chakat Goldfur|Goldfur]]?--[[User:Honeymane|Honeymane]] 04:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Goldfur

2006-09-12T04:39:29Z

Honeymane: