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== Hi you ... ==
Thanks for your welcome!
I only joined 'cause somebody made a wiki page about me ... and in some kind it was wrong. x_x;
So that's all.

--[[User:Meeko|Meeko]] 01:40, 25 Mai 2006 (UTC)

== Hi, GreenReaper ==

This is partly a test to see if I've got this editor figured out before I do anything important with it. I notice someone put in an entry for yours truly (in fact that's how I wandered in - I was checking old Other Suns links which led to Nicolai's entry which led to mine) which I may update later; at least I suppose the fact that I was Den Mother of ConFurence for years and am now holding that position in CaliFur is at interesting as anything already there. Also an excuse for putting in a few Ursa Major links inasmuch as I maintain the Recommended List.

Speaking of which, I got your note suggesting the addition of WikiFur to the Recommended Anthropomorphics list for this year - makes sense, though I'll have to discuss where to put it with the rest of the committee. We're currently counting nominations for this year's Ursa Major ballot.
--[[User:Yealurowluro|Yealurowluro]] 00:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:Glad you got my note! I wasn't entirely sure if I should suggest it myself, but I figured it's something that's worth reading. :-)

:It looks like you have the wiki editing figured out. Please do contribute to any articles you find lacking, and good luck figuring out those nominations. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:04, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

== Moving assistance. ==

Hey GreenReaper,

Thanks for the help moving the page for my listing. I was woundering if it should have been moved over as you did, but didn't have time IRL to send a message. The dire warning kinda steared me off. (I figured I would mess around with my own page before messing up some one elses =)

:No problem! A lot of people start off in the User: namespace, as that's where you would normally do it on (e.g.) Wikipedia.

Let me know if I'm misplacing anyother articles so we can keep the database as consistant as possable! (Or if you have any other suggestions)

:I'm sure I or another contributor will let you know should that be the case. :-)

I hope the format of the post is accaptable. I wrote the thing in third person as if I was writing about someone else. Thanks again - PG

:That was fine. Feel free to edit your User: page if you want to say something from first-person persepective in addition to that which is already there (but don't feel you have to - most people are just fine with what's on the page about them already). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you for the kind welcome. Though I've been active on Wikipedia forever (and I'm admin there), I've only just discovered wikifur today. I'm happy to help out in any area that needs it, and I've already added stubs for [[Wild Life]] and [[Wildlifers]]! [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - Starblind 15:43, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

:Excellent . . . *scoops up some cover pics for those* --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 23:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

==View counts==
I've noticed that the view counts in [[:Special:Popularpages]] have not updated at least since last Thursday on several articles I've been following, even though I've viewed some of those articles myself during that time. I've verified this from two different computers and used a couple of other tricks to make reasonably certain it's not a browser cache issue. What gives?

Edit: There are also several hundred articles that currently show 0 views.
--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. I had a chat with the admins and apparently they had to discontinue popular pages updating due to server loads. We can get the same sort of information from the google analytics stats, so it's no ''great'' loss, although it is a pity that people can't access that without talking to me first.

:As this makes the page rather useless, I've removed the link in the main page header and added in links to the article and user talk pages instead. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

== Re my WikiFur entry ==

Just noticed that you had stuck in an unwritten link from the Kay Shapero entry for the Anthropomorphic Literature and Arts Association. I had deliberately NOT put a link there, because the ALAA exists to produce the Recommended List and present the Ursa Major awards, both of which have links right after the reference. So I figured it would be superfluous. What do you think? I could probably write an entry, but it'd only be a couple of lines long and probably wouldn't contain much you can't find out from the other two links. --[[User:Yealurowluro|Yealurowluro]]

:(I'm not GR, but we never have a shortage of opinions around here! :-) Actually, even the small amount of information you mention would be useful, if only to define the parametes of the organization and to show that it is independent of any other organization out there (when I first saw mention of ALAA, I erroneously conflated it with [[AAE]], which is a different beastie entirely). ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 00:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

:That's basically why I put it in there (also because I rememebered it was linked in [[Ursa Major Awards]]). If you really don't think it should have an entry, take it out, but as Duncan mentions, [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]] seems to do well enough. It's a short page, but it gives a link to the organization, and as it is a separate page it can be put into [[:Category:Organizations]] which helps us keep a tab on all such organizations. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

==To Stub or Not to Stub?==
Is there a guideline as to when a short article (which just doesn't have much to say) doesn't need to be tagged as a stub? 1000 bytes, etc.? Wouldn't stop anyone from dropping in to make changes anyway. Just curious. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 23:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:I usually go by the rule of whether I feel there's anything that ought to be added (but that I'm not sure about or don't know or don't feel like putting in right now). -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:The general rule is "if there is probably something that could be added fairly easily by someone who doesn't know much about the topic" (say with a few minutes of google searching) then it is a stub. If not, then it is not a stub, although if you can describe it entirely in a couple of lines, it is probably a strong candidate for merging with another article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

==Categorization?==
Thanks for the quick feedback! I was looking through WikiFur's [[:Help:Furry_Book_of_Style|style guide]] and had another question: Are there any guidelines on category order at the end of articles? I was going through alphabetically, but it might be helpful to define this in the style guide if there's a prefered order to doing this. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 19:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

:Technically any order is fine. In practice, for articles about people I've tended to do People and then subcategories of People (note that we only do this category + subcategory thing with people so as to get a full listing in that category), and then their location and year of birth/death. In general I would put the most important or relevant category first, but that's just a personal style. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

::What you describe is what I've been doing, GreenReaper. I described it in some detail over at [[:Category_talk:Root]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

== Requesting page protection ==

How do I go about requesting my page to be locked so that only myself and administrators can edit it? --[[Banrai|Banrai]]

:You just did. I'm at work right now so I can't really look that closely to ensure it's appropriate, but I will later this evening.

:Be aware that "your page" is [[User:Banrai]]. [[Banrai]] is "the page about you". As such it is expected to be reasonably complete, and I do find it odd that there is no mention or reference to the actions mentioned in a certain LiveJournal entry that comes up when searching for your name. What's past is past, and it is important not to dwell on it, but it does deserve recording so that people understand how things ended up as they are today (and so we don't get complaints on the talk page from people who think things are being hidden). I will try and see about that tonight as well. I'm not a concerned party other than ensuring the accuracy of the article, and I don't particularly want to raise any drama about it, so fear not - it'll be brief.

:Oh, and just something I noticed glancing over the page - you only need to link to other articles the ''first'' time a linkable name comes up, not every time. It's assumed that people will already have clicked on the link if they want to go to it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::I added a small blurb about... that. But feel free to edit it as you see fit. It's a very personal preferance that the article itself not actually be linked, since it IS over and done, but.. yeah, you're the mod. I also went back in and fixed the massive-linking, so it looks a little cleaner now. ;3 --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:::I've not linked it. Instead, I spent a while reading various sources, then tried to give a summary of your actions, the context behind them - part of which was already evident in previous sections - and the response from others, without turning it into a duplicate of that post (or another [[Sibe]]). I think it says all that needs to be said about that without taking up too much of the article. If people really want to know more, I'm sure they can find out for themselves - but I suspect for most it is enough that they will not feel the need to do so.

:::As for your request, the article seems a good one as it stands. I will post a notice on the talk page, and unless there is significant dissent from the WikiFur community I will enable the page protection within a day or so. If at a later point you decide that you no longer want the page protected then any admin can help you remove it at request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

== Repeated vandalism and blocking ==

I've just blocked an IP for what I now see is repeated vandalism. ([http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:70.180.173.165 Three incidents so far].)
Do we have an understood point where we block for longer periods, or infinitely? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 03:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I would say go up by one category per repeated offense - hours, days, weeks, months, years (or forever). If all they do is vandalism feel free to skip a step. We're not Wikipedia, we've not really got time to deal with trouble again and again. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandal IPs found

69.210.142.84 and
68.202.53.196
They were found posting images of the vandalism in /b/

== Questions about Des Lee? ==

Hey there! Thought I'd drop a line and see if I could answer any questions you might have about Desiree. I set up a basic entry for her awhile ago, but I'd noticed you had a question or two concerning her on my page. Anyway, if I can be of assistance, let me know! Thanks!

:Note [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jim_Hardiman&curid=3935&diff=53558&oldid=50672 my recent edit] and comment on the [[Talk:Jim Hardiman|talk page]], but I'll carry over here and say that I think the question was about those quote-marks around "friend". -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 20:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yep, replied on the talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

== Edit patrols ==

It's about this time that I think bringing back the "patrol this edit" marker may be a good idea. It just has to be explained clearly: "These markers are for admin to make rounds of patrols through the various edits," and so forth. I'd also like to suggest a proxy banlist which is shared across Wikia. That way, once a proxy is confirmed, all wikis have the option of automatically banning it. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:I would support the creation of a shared proxy banlist with all of Wikia. Is there a feature for this currently in mediawiki or would it have to be added through some sort of module? -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:This might be a good idea. We are getting a lot of edits - certainly more than I manage to have the time to look at, let alone edit. We can probably try enabling it for a time.

:I think there is actually a proxy blacklist. We may be using a service, in which case it probably doesn't get everything. JasonR on the live chat would be the perosn to talk to about that (or he's available via technical at wikia dot com, or the wikia-l mailing list, or the wikia LiveJournal). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the Welcome! ==

I was figuring it would come at some point or another. Very much appreciated. :) [[User:Bastique|Bastique]] 13:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

== Database error on page move ==

I was attempting to move [[Art Show]] over its redirect [[Art show]] (note the caps - one is the name of a show, the other is a type), and I received this error:

:A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
::<tt>UPDATE `wikicities`.`gpage` SET page_namespace = '0',page_title = 'Art_show' WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Art_Show'</tt>
:from within function "<tt>Database::update</tt>". MySQL returned error "<tt>1062: Duplicate entry 'furry-0-Art_show' for key 2 (paris.wikia.com)</tt>".

Would you mind passing this on to the Wikia folks? Looks like the parser is missing the routine which checks for a page/redirect/whatever under the name being moved to. Thanks. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 10:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

== Hi Back. ==

This is a bit awkward, but I think this is the right way to do it. I'm looking over a variety of articles to see what I can add to. I lengthened Ken Fletcher's piece a little -- he deserves more, but it's hard to do him justice, even knowing him fairly well. (Ken is modest to the point of humility.) Kevin Duane's piece broke me up. I could add 10,000 words, but wouldn't know where to start. And do I want to make him out a clown, a villain, a well-intentioned schlemiel, or just a guy who got a lot of bad breaks? Then there was Steve Martin. Another perplexing case. I had to add a bit more detail to the "controversy" section, that put the customs debacle in a somewhat better light.

Ah... I wonder what other delights await? --[[User:Taral Wayne|Taral Wayne]]

:It can be hard. Pages [[Sibe|can and have]] been written about [[Banrai#Past disputes|past disputes]], but in the end the actual situation can usually be boiled down to just a few paragraphs written in a fairly dry tone. If in doubt, just add the facts, and try to make sure you don't leave out any facts in a way that could be viewed as biased by not giving reasonable coverage of all sides of the story. If you think you're up to writing a more lengthy piece, and you think it is appropriate for the article concerned, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|be bold]] and do so. Wikipedia has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutrality|lots of advice]] on how to go about this.

:Whatever you do decide to add, thank you for taking the time to do so. WikiFur relies on the contributions of those who know the full history of events, and in many cases there are only a few people in the world who do. Hopefully this project will go some way towards ensuring that the history of the fandom doesn't fade away, as I think that would be a shame.

:Oh, and note that you can sign comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~, or just ~~~</nowiki> if you want to do it without the date. There's no need to do so on the main article pages, as they're intended to be community work anyway (and a full history of contributions is kept in the history tab if it's required). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

::I think I'll just leave the Kevin Duane item as it is. While there's a hundred times more, it isn't really that important, and what's there is probably impartial enough. Though I doubt very much Kevin would own up to much on the negative side of the ledger.

::By the way, what would keep him from editing out everything he didn't like, and painting a glowing picture of himself?

:::Nothing. However, he'd probably find such edits mysteriously changed back a few minutes later. Some people around here tend to watch [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] like a hawk and can very quickly pick up on editors who are trying to modify history, especially their own. There are [[WikiFur:Personal information|established procedures]] for requesting the removal of certain items of personal information. Blanking or removing information without comment do not count, and won't have the desired effect. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hi, thanks for the welcome! I just have to say that I'm very impressed by the speed at which the articles are updated :)

--[[User:MrZebra|MrZebra]] 10:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

:Glad you like it! We aim to please. ;-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the assistance ==

Thank you for loading a higher-resolution picture for me. I appreciate that. And thanks for the welcome as well. :)

--[[Equestrian]]

== Asking your permission ==

Would it be okay with you to upload [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Taxidermy.gif this image] to wikifur? It is an animated gif of scenes from the CSI furry episode. It's 1.8MB so I'm obviously not going to risk spending the long time uploading it if it gets deleted and I'm hoping somebody else will do it. If that is not acceptable, would a link to it in the CSI article be allowed? There's no pressure if you don't agree with these. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 05:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:I probably wouldn't delete it. It is not the best pictoral representation of the whole show, though. The animation tells a story, but it is not the whole story about the show, just as the show does not tell the whole story about the fandom. Its [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Taxidermy purpose on ED] was to promote [[fursecution]] (to whit, the conversion of furries into trophies and rugs) and the selection of passages in the animation is limited to those supporting that argument. I believe that a small selection of screen captures from various points in the show added by use of the <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> tag (see [[The Forest]] for an example) might be a better addition to the article.

:Another thing to consider - if it takes you a long time to upload it, it will take a long time for many of our contributors to download it as well. 2Mb pages are not really a good idea. This suggests that a link to the animation would be more appropriate, with a note of the file size for those on modems. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::About size, I see so many websites designed where the only way you can view them is flash. I don't know what the deal with that. The real size getter is YTMNDs where each one is huge and often a copy of several other ones with just a tiny change. You know you're actually a pretty cool person (and probably same for others here) compared to the wikipedia furry community where any mention of furries that isn't in their "furries never yiff, or dress in custumes more than bunny ears, and all furries are heterosexual, and there are the same number of male and female furries" propoganda means a witchhunt and I think it's one of the reasons why encyclopedia dramatica has all the anti-furry stuff--and the site says somewhere it's the denial of some furry aspects that get them made fun of----that can be compared to how the site doesn't make fun of star wars / star trek nerds with more than a small amount. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 10:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Flash is not the most ideal system for web user interfaces (although it does have enviable compatability compared to things like JavaScript). I won't go so far as to say that Flash has no place. It is a good system for the delivery of multimedia content. We tend to link to that rather than host it, though. :-)

:::It is true that people are sometimes overly defensive. However, at the same time, some have good reason - there [http://forums.hatersonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=164 really are] "furry haters" for which it is a hobby to just go out there and spread the message that furries suck. Most of them don't actually ''know'' anything about the fandom, participate in any of the events, or contribute anything - they're just having fun putting other people down. I'm more than willing to accept criticism from people like [[Nothingkat]], who at least knows what he's talking about. And . . . well, I've not heard people make the above assertions before. I'm sure a lot of people say "not all furries yiff, not all dress up in fursuits, not all are gay and furries are not all male", but there's a big difference between that and utter denial.

:::As for Wikipedia, you have to remember that the purpose of their project (as ours) is to '''make an encyclopedia''', ''not'' to make fun of people. The [[Wikipedia:furry fandom|furry fandom]] article already has five whole paragraphs on sexual activities. I think that gives readers a fairly good idea of the extent of sexual content in the fandom. When you get [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_lifestyler&diff=prev&oldid=51228054 edits] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Furry_Wikipedians&diff=prev&oldid=51070460 like] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_fandom&diff=prev&oldid=50860121 these], it is very easy to see why a lot of them get reverted.

:::ED would have furry stuff on it regardless, I am sure. After all, we already own [[LiveJournal]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks!==
Thank you for your barnstar award, I appreciate your recognition. I have found in recent weeks just how difficult it is to start a Wika, and it's always nice to have someone appreciate the work. While I still need to read up on the goals and concept of this Wiki, I'm a big comic book fan and can hopefully help with some new content. You can contact me at my [http://oc.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Xtreme680 talk page] at [http://oc.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The O.C. Wikia]. - [[User:Xtreme680|Xtreme680]] 09:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==My page got vandalized...==
Apparently it happened today even, suprisinly. Some user going by the name of Clambake....*sigh*. And it has to be somebody with access to aby.com or yiffstar.com, because that's the ONLY place I've posted the picture used with even a slight bit of public access. --[[User:lucashoal|lucashoal]] 3:40 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)
:I will say that the staff already reverted the edits made to your page. The image, though I have not seen it, was already deleted. ----[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 23:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed. [[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan]] was pretty quick on the ball!

::I find it odd that you were able to revert their work so quickly - according to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Luca_Shoal&curid=651&action=history the history], just four minutes passed between the picture being uploaded and your reversion. How did you know that they had posted the picture there? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I just decided to log in today to see if anyone had left me a note, or made any changes to my page. And seeing the picture, well... It was a matter of luck really. I know it seems....fishy, but I honestly had no way at all of knowing this edit had taken place.
:::As for the picture? It was a picture of me, not just Luca, but me in the real world. Specifically, it was one taken at a babyfur party, and in a pink dress.
:::Thank you though for everything ^^. [[User:Lucashoal|Lucashoal]] 9:03 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)

::::'''*grins*''' - well, you were fortunate, then. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== Transformation ==

I'm reasonably sure that [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Transformation&diff=prev&oldid=57531 this] is actually correct, if badly formatted and perhaps not completely relevant to this wiki. See [http://metamedia.stanford.edu/traumwerk/index.php/More%20Dragons%20in%20Northumbria here] for the rhyme. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:I did get a indeed get a positive hit for the rhyme, but Google turned up nothing relevant for Lanelet, Elidia, Zaikhoeven, or "Duncan Frasier" and "Robert Lambe". I tried several different spelling variants and still came up with nothing. Now, I'm willing to grant that Google is not actually the sum of ''all'' knowledge, but the lack of hits and the near-unreadability of the edit makes me suspicious. ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

::Duncan Frasier is cited as the author of the rhyme in the above link. Robert Lambe is likely to be [http://www.exploreberwick.co.uk/ArtsInBerwick/Legends/3_03.htm this guy].

::There does seem to be some confusion in online sources about who wrote the item and when it was written. Don't suppose you know any medieval historians? :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I've done some further research and I think I see the problem: it's written in the arcane and byzantine languange of ''academese'', a language I'm afraid I lost my fluency in years ago (and besides, I only ever spoke technical academese - I think it relates to Liberal Arts academese like Classical Latin to Vulgate Latin :-) I'll warrant that it was a valid edit, but written so impenetrably I would question its value. I've found a couple of useful links that might help; I'll probably poke at it a bit more tonight.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for fixing my first upload :D I just joined and I'm still trying to get used to it all. I hope I atleast put THIS post in the correct place.

:'''*grins*''' - yep, you just need to sign it! You can use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to do that (or <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> if you don't want to put the date). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

== Howloween Template ==

Are there any plans to create a Howloween convention template? Howloween is a convention held in British Columbia, during Late October : [http://www.howloween.org Howloween 2006 Website]

:If you want one, just copy the contents of any existing convention templates to [[Template:User Howloween]] and change accordingly, then create the appropriate category and make it a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikifurries]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you so much. I shall try that. ^_^ --{{UT|Seamora}}

== Terms with Multiple Definitions ==

What is commonly done with terms that have more than one definition? Do they have separate pages, and if so , how does one do this?--{{UT|Seamora}}

:Short answer - it depends! Long answer follows . . .

:If the terms are related, but with differing nuances, then you might discuss them on the same page. For example, [[yiff]] has many meanings, but they are all related to a reasonably close degree, so they are all described on the same page. In general, you can tell "reasonably close" by the categories - if separate meanings would all fall under the same category then you would probably discuss them together (except people, who always have different articles).

:Some terms have numerous unrelated meanings. In this case we divide it into separate pages with a qualifier in lowercase [unless a proper name] and inside parenthesis, and then create what is called a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation page]] for people who link to the term without parentheses. The page should have the <tt><nowiki>{{disambig}}</nowiki></tt> tag at the bottom. If another topic has the name within it, and a shorterned form might conflict, it is given the full title but also included in the disambiguation page.

:You can see this at [[The Bestiary]], which links to [[The Bestiary (playing cards)]] and [[The Bestiary (comic)]] (which we know exists, just hasn't yet been written about) but also to ''[[The Bestiary's Terrie Smith Does Art Special]]''.

:We may also make an indented, italic link at the top of the pages if there is possible confusion or the other article is somehow relevant, something like this (for a person called "Delight"):

:<tt><nowiki>":''This article is about the [[:Category:People|person]]. For the chocolate bar, see <nowiki>[[Delight (chocolate bar)]].''</nowiki></tt> (or: <tt><nowiki>"There is also a [[Delight (chocolate)|chocolate bar called Delight]].")</nowiki></tt>

:In the case where one thing is clearly the more usual or "official" term, but there is another term that should have a different article, like [[skunk]] or [[Eurofurence]], then the general term is used without parentheses and the other term(s) have parentheses or are otherwise made different. We use the above method to link between them.

:In rare cases, it may also be appropriate to add a parentheses even if there is currently no article at the non-parentheses term. This is done where there might be confusion about what the article should be about. For example, ''[[Furre!]]'' has links to [[Persona Play (Furre!)]] and [[Roleplay (Furre!)]]. This is because the term Roleplay has a special meaning in the context of ''Furre!'', and so it should not link to the main [[role-playing]] article, which has a redirect from Roleplay. For consistency, Persona Play has the same qualifier, even though there is not likely to be another article called Persona Play as it is at term that is specific to Furcadia/Furre!.

:Deciding what to do in a particular case is sometimes tricky, but it is usually simple once you have done it a few times. Hope the above helps! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Heya GreenReaper!!

The page looks great, hun! Thanks for editing it a bit for me! There are also more WikiFur pages about me including Xelaros and Spirit Creations. I see that you guys don't have a page up for Maned Wolves which I would like to create. Thanks for your help! Give me suggestions any time!

Inali Ke'aloha

== Maned wolf page up! ==

Heya, just wanted to let you know that I created a page about maned wolves since there wasn't one. It could use some editing, such as a contents box and the pictures off to the side. Thanks! --[[User:InaliKealoha|Inali]]

:Well, it looks like you figured all that out! I moved it to [[Maned Wolf]] because it is a proper name of a species. The contents box will automatically appear if you have four headers in the article. If you do not (or to move it), you can make it appear by adding <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> wherever you want. I sometimes put this inside a div tag that is set to float to the right. You can also hide it with <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki>.

:One question ''I'' have, though - do you have permission from the people who made those pictures to put them on this site? While I appreciate that you wish to improve the articles, it is not enough to just state who owns the copyright of an image - if you do not have explicit permission (either by having asked them or through a blanket license or copyright wavier), we cannot display the images. That's what copyright means, after all . . . the right to make copies. Both the [http://www.arkgallery.org/ Ark Gallery] and Kenneth W. Fink/Root Resources sources appear to be non-free in this respect (indeed, the Ark Gallery seems to have a specific note at the bottom saying that images are not for reproduction elsewhere).

:Oh, and one last thing - on talk pages, it's easier to know who's talking if you sign your name at the end. You can do this by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, or just <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> to do so without adding the date and time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I will email them and ask permission. If I can't get it from them, I'll ask some others until I get written permission. Where do I post that I have written permission when I get it? Thanks!

[[User:InaliKealoha|InaliKealoha]] 05:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:You should put the permission on the image information page, the one that comes up when you click on the image. You can edit it just like any other page. If you fail to gain permission for those images, let myself or another administrator know, and we will delete it from the WikiFur image store. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::I very strongly feel that we should delete the images; they can be uploaded again if permission is given. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Then do so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::::Done. Thanks for the confirmation. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

== hi ==

"Girl's amateur use of makeup by applying too much and her voice make are evidence she is a teenager below the age of eighteen." That wasn't meant as personal, though. It was more a Sherlock Holmes style detective work. I just want to be clear it was not my intention. I probably wrote it wrong. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 14:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:It just seemed . . . well, like something you'd post on LiveJournal rather than in an encyclopedia, in much the same way as you get anti-furries taking pictures of fat people at cons and going "hey, look, aren't furries fat!" - maybe that wasn't your intention, but it was the vibe I got from your words. Her ''own'' words make her look bad enough as it is without pointing out her use of makeup.

:A secondary consideration is that page is intended to be just a list of links rather than an in-depth discussion of them. If you really want to write up the details (which would probably include details from both videos), you could make an article on it and then link to it, as with the other articles linked from the media links page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:: Hmmm... you have an odd idea of copying the threads of talk and putting it on both talk pages. Well back to the topic, I also forgot the eyebrows were unplucked (I just wanted to write that down somewhere) as giving evidence that she was a minor. I think I'll put likely minor in the article. Umm.. I don't know if it's worthy of an article itself. It mostly is just a webcam video and then speaking of the vanity fair article. It would be different if it went through the things produced by actual furries, like her reaction to furry pornography art, but I think the video looks like little effort was put into it, and the humor was mostly the behavior of the girl herself. Encyclopedia Dramatica and some of the TV spots for instance do put some effort into their work. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I can just see that sequel: "Valley Girl, Furry Porn". Nuts and berries, indeed!

:::I actually think there's an opportunity to do a ''good'' video on furries and put it up there. The question would be whether or not anyone would go around with a videocamera at (say) Anthrocon and film it, and whether or not people would agree to its distribution. Maybe if it was done by someone already respected in the community.

::::Speaking for Anthrocon, I can tell you that our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct Rules of Conduct] prohibit "broadcasting" of any video taken at the convention, which includes posting it online. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::. . . without permission. I was thinking of one that would be done with permission. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::Based on my experience, furries at cons get very nervous when there is a camera rolling, due to past bad experiences. I wouldn't recommend holding your breath on getting permission to broadcast anything that's filmed. :-/ --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Alas! On that general topic, it might be nice to do some kind of "WikiFur Documentary" thing. Maybe we could start with topics like "acting out in [[fursuit]]" or "making your first [[tail]]" and work up to tricky topics like "attending a furry convention". :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Do you mean having documentation here on WikiFur, or elsewhere? If it's here on WikiFur, would such an article still be considered "encyclopedic"? --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I believe that there is certainly room on WikiFur for material that is created by a particular person or group of people, something like "RandomVulpine's guide to making furry feet". Some use their own websites for such material, but if people want to put them up on WikiFur then I think we should be open to that. These should naturally be clearly tagged with a template similar to the current [[:Template:personal-article|personal articles]] one, and should be placed in the User: namespace, or possibly a separate namespace designed for the purpose - Tutorial:, say. They could be linked to from regular articles, though it might be good to make a separately-headed section for them to separate them from the regular links that you'd get in ''See also''.

:::I tend to copy talk because it's easier for other people to follow that way. I also archive my talk now and then, which makes it harder for people trying to follow the other side of conversation. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Off subject, when the game Spore comes out (a design evolution), I expect it may have something for furry gaming. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I agree, though [[Second Life]] seems to have grabbing most of the virtual furry world for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Testing... ==

I notice one or two articles about me and my comics say they need improving. My question is this: How much is too much? I'd like to do my part without overdoing it, ya know?

:--[[User:GraveyardGreg|Graveyard Greg]]

:It's hard to do too much. I guess if you found yourself stretching for something to say, then it might be time to stop. Of course, I have a [[GreenReaper|fairly short article]], but then I don't have much to say about myself, as I've not had a long history in the furry fandom. [[Somewolf]] has a rather longer one. Certainly, comics can be and have been covered in significant depth. The ''[[Gaming Guardians]]'' article is a good idea of the minimum length that gives a good coverage of the key aspects of the topic, enough that it was featured, but it would certainly be possible to add to it without compromising that.

:It is possible to go much farther, of course. For example, Wikipedia has a very extensive article on ''[[Wikipedia:Kevin and Kell|Kevin and Kell]]''. That would be unusual to see here (probably the closest is ''[[Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures]]'', and the plot is hardly covered there), but if people want to go that far on just about any topic it is welcome. We have many relatively short articles through happenstance, not choice. It's not like we're going to run out of paper, after all. :-)

:The perfect article tells people everything they want to know about a topic. For some topics, this can be a lot. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Species and characters categories ==

I think all of us will agree that having subcategories for species, and for characters of those species, is a good thing, up to a certain point. But I'm concerned that we may be getting a little carried away with it. Perhaps we're not to the point yet where we've overdone it and need to backpedal on some of the categories that have been created, but I think we're getting close to that point in some areas, and that it would be a good idea to stop and think about how far we want to go with this.

What do the rest of you think? More species/character categories, or is it time to rein it in? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I like to think of it as setting the framework for future growth. Although if we start using Latin names, then I think we've gone too far. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I look at it this way: If I'm a casual reader and I'm interested in, let's say, wolf characters. I click on the Wolf characters category and I see a whole bunch of names, plus (in this instance) sub-categories for Artic Wolf characters, Werewolves, and Wolf-Hybrid characters. Am I going to click on the subcategories to find the one or two listings beneath each entry, or ignore them and use the large main list? From a usability standpoint, I'm not sure I see the usefulness of breaking things down to the point where it's only two or three entries in a category.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 11:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

== Hiya! ==

Hey there! Thanks for the warm greet. I didn't exactly get to finish last night due to work issues, AND the fact I wasn't completely sure what I was doing (lol) Looks like someone was kind enough to get the basics started for me anyway :-)

As I learn a little more, I'd really like to be more active in the Wiki community so hopefully you'll see a little more of me ;-)

Regards
-=Wulfsige=-

=Thanks!=
Thanks man, this is the best Wiki EVER! - MegaKitsune

== Reply ==

' I guess you found your way here from the creatures wiki'

Sort of, pretty long story. I think I found them both at relatively the same time, when I started using wikipedia.

Thanks for the friendly welcomes! --[[User:Listeel|Listeel]] 14:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Edit buttons ==

How do you set up an edit button like Wikifur and the Creatures wiki have? I'm also a member at the Sporewiki and want to contribute a button like that for them {{Unsigned|Listeel}}

:Check out the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] page, in particular the section starting:

:''/* Create more space to top and left of the section Edit links and put norn in it */''

:If you copy this and adjust it for your wiki (you will need to change the URL to match the URL of an image uploaded at your wiki or somewhere else) then it should work. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Infobox question ==

I've been trying to make an Infobox for [[A Fox in the Works]] page with little luck, something like what Wikipedia has for TV series (ie [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5]]. I'm really don't know what I'm doing, and it's something that would probably work better as a template so it can be used for comics and other furry story series.

I can't find any help on making an infobox like this, and what I try to do comes up more then a bit fragged. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Fox Cutter|Fox Cutter]] 05:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Jon Sleeper

2006-05-26T03:40:41Z

Foxeris: Change Doug Winger to Doug Linger

'''Jon Sleeper''', a.k.a. Buck, is a [[transformation]]-genre writer. He wrote the original [[The Winds of Change|Winds of Change]] story universe, and later collaborated with writers [[Brian Eirik Coe]] and [[Bryan Derksen]] on the WoC-centered [[Great Round Robin]], all three of whom also later collaborated with [[Doug Linger]] and [[Trey McElveen]] for the [[Teen Round Robin]].

== External Links ==

* [http://deer.transform.to/ Sleeper's Site at Transform.to]
* [http://www.fanarchive.net/miavir/stories/sleeper_jon.html Miavir's Anthro Archive - Stories by Jon Sleeper]

[[Category:Writers]]