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Findra

2009-01-12T16:16:56Z

Findra: tidy up, and include resignation from FC and UMA

'''Findra''' is a [[furry]] who found [[furry fandom]] in 1995, whilst a resident of [[Wikipedia:Leicester|Leicester]], England. Moving to the USA, Findra became a [[MUCK]] [[wizard]] and server administrator for [[SpinDizzy]], and [[Golden Realms MUCK]] (the latter in a non-executive role).

Findra has been a regular member of the [[Further Confusion]] [[convention committee]], acting as their Hotel Liaison for [[Further Confusion 2005|2005]], Executive Secretary for [[Further Confusion 2006|2006]], and Business Director for [[Further Confusion 2007|2007]]. For [[Further Confusion 2008|2008]], Findra was again Executive Secretary as well as [[AAE]]'s representative on the [[Ursa Major Awards]] committee. For [[Further Confusion 2009|2009]] Findra was Vice Chair, but on January 11th 2009 resigned from that position, as well as from the position of AAE's representative on the UMA committee, citing differences with the Board of AAE on the Board's implementation of policy.

Findra is also a [[puppeteer]], and a member of [[PawPets West]].

Findra typically takes the form of a [[rabbit]], although she was previously known as a [[dolphin]] (hence the name).

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://findra.livejournal.com/ Findra's Journal] on [[LiveJournal]]

{{person-stub}}

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Puppeteers]]
[[Category:Rabbit characters]]
[[Category:1967 births]]

Talk:Findra

2008-11-29T19:34:32Z

Findra:

==="They?"===

The gender of this one is not specified. Hopefully this can be corrected. --[[User:IDontHaveAFursona|IDontHaveAFursona]] 12:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:The Who's Who of the [[SpinDizzy MUCK]] ([http://www.spindizzy.org/who/ link]) indicates Findra's a she, so I've tweaked the pronouns in the article. --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 13:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::The online persona of 'Findra' is female. However, GreenReaper was careful to avoid specifying my real-life gender. The recent change seems to have broken this, and is now misleading. I'd prefer it was changed back to unspecified, but I don't want to edit my own entry here. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:34, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Further Confusion 2009

2008-08-19T19:10:41Z

Findra: Charities

{{Further Confusion}}

'''Further Confusion 2009''' is a [[furry]] [[convention]] scheduled for celebrate the eleventh anniversary of [[Further Confusion]] from January 22 to 26 at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]].<ref name="FC2009Chairs">''[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=1115 AAE Announces Chair / Vice Chair for FC2009]'' - [[David Cooksey]], Further Confusion forums (4 January 2008)</ref> The convention's theme is ''Surf Safari''.<ref>''[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=1220 Announcement time! Theme! Hotel Reservations! Dealer's Room!]'' - [[Frysco]], Further Confusion forums (5 March 2008)</ref>

{{con-stub}}

== Staff ==

* [[Convention chairman]]: Jeremy "[[Frysco]]" Doran<ref name="FC2009Chairs" />
* Vice-chair: [[Findra]]

== Charities ==
The charities chosen for Further Confusion 2009 are <ref>''[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=1251&start=0& Further Confusion Newsletter, May 2008]'' - Further Confusion forums (24 May 2008)</ref>:

* The [http://www.mountainlion.org/ Mountain Lion Foundation]
* [http://www.guidedogs.com/ Guide Dogs for the Blind ]

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2009}}

[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2009 events]]

Talk:Timeline of charity donations

2008-08-15T19:48:19Z

Findra:

When previewing, the graph doesn't seem to display unless I also change the scale to something silly (over 65000 or so). There's no easytimeline error message, it just doesn't display anything at all.

I'm not sure whether this is an easytimeline issue, something funny I'm doing, or just a preview idiosyncrasy. In any case, it makes editing difficult. --[[User:Riismo|Riismo]] 20:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:This is unfortunately a problem with EasyTimeline on Wikia. I have notified the techs about it, a bug report has been filed, however it is relatively low-priority since few people actually use EasyTimeline. The key is to keep pressing preview until it actually works. It will do eventually. At that point, you can save and it should remain. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks, that solved it --[[User:Riismo|Riismo]] 22:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

MFM Raised money in 2005 for Tiger Haven, along with a separate fundraising for the red cross for Katrina victims. I'm working on getting figures and will provide those as I get them. -- Tahamaki

Added info for AC (from the forums reference on the AC 2008 Wikifur page - may need updating), FC, and Morphicon. FC and Morphicon data from their Wikifur pages. Please do add more as they come out! I couldn't find anything for FA:United easily, and I haven't looked for all of the cons that have happened, so it's incomplete, but better than it was. No total given for the year yet. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Conifur Northwest ==

[[Conifur Northwest 2003]] raised $3,011 in the charity auction, and [[Conifur Northwest 2004]] raised $2248. The latter has a reference. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of charity donations

2008-08-15T19:44:08Z

Findra: Added FC, AC, and Morphicon data for 2008

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Sources: [http://www.anthrocon.org/taxonomy/term/17 Anthrocon] ([[Anthrocon#Charity|ex. 97 and 00]]) - [http://www.anthroarts.org/activities.html Further Confusion] - [[Midwest FurFest#History|Midwest FurFest]] - [[FurFright#Charities|FurFright]] - Morphicon: [http://www.morphicon.org/2004/charity.htm 04], [http://www.morphicon.org/2005/charity.htm 05], [http://www.morphicon.org/2006/charity.htm 06], [http://www.morphicon.org/2007/ 07] - [http://community.livejournal.com/wikifur/56387.html?thread=319043 FA: United] - [http://forum.eurofurence.org/index.php/topic,683.0.html Eurofurence 13] - [http://community.livejournal.com/rbwuk/15427.html RBW 07]</div><noinclude>[[Category:Conventions| ]][[Category:Timelines|Charity donations, Timeline of]]</noinclude>

Further Confusion

2008-08-15T19:12:23Z

Findra: /* Themes - typo fix for 2009 */

[[Image:Further_Confusion_logo.png|right|Further Confusion]]
{{Further Confusion}}
'''Further Confusion''' (or '''FurCon''', sometimes '''FURther CONfusion''') is an annual [[convention]] celebrating the [[anthropomorphic]]s genre or [[furry fandom]]. It is the [[List of conventions by attendance|2nd largest such convention]] in the world and takes place in the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|Bay Area of California]] each January. It includes charitable benefits, educational seminars, art shows, panels, and general social activities. It was the first event sponsored by [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]], Inc. (''FurCon'' is its registered [[Wikipedia:service mark|service mark]]<ref>[http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78318515 FURCON mark registration] - [[Wikipedia:USPTO|USPTO]] (filed 24 October 2003, registered 12 October 2004)</ref>) and continues to be its largest. It will next be held 22-26 January 2009, at the DoubleTree Hotel, [[Wikipedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]].

Further Confusion has the largest art show of any convention in the fandom with sales routinely exceeding US$50,000. Indeed, one piece alone (''[http://web.archive.org/web/20041101222805/www.goldenwolfen.com/portfolio/eyesofthenight.htm Eyes of the Night]'' by [[Goldenwolf]]) went for $10,000 at Further Confusion 2004, the result of a close, fierce bid battle between [[Flint Otterhall]] and a local appreciator of [[furry art]].<ref>[http://www.livejournal.com/users/normanrafferty/415153.html ''Just a quick update from Further Confusion 2004''] - note about the $10,000 painting</ref>

Significant events of Further Confusion include an [[Iron Artist]] competition, the original Critterlympics and an in-house Television station (FCTV) that broadcasts during the convention.

== History ==
[[Image:Further Confusion Attendance.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Visitor Statistics]]
Beginning in 1999 with attendance of 691 individuals, it has grown rapidly: in 2008 there were 2,423 registered attendees. Since its start, FurCon has donated $100,940 to various local charitable beneficiaries.

== Guests of Honor ==

Further Confusion honors several [[Guest of honor|guests of honor]] each year. Previous guests have been:

* [[Ed Kline]], [[Ken Mitchroney]] and [[Michael H. Payne]] (1999)
* [[wikipedia:C. J. Cherryh|C. J. Cherryh]], [[Shawn Keller]], [[John Nunnemacher]], [[Karen Prell]], [[Mike Quinn]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Fancher|Jane Fancher]] (2000)
* [[wikipedia:Diane Duane|Diane Duane]], [[Christina Hanson]], [[wikipedia:Peter Morwood|Peter Morwood]], [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]] (2001)
* [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]] and [[Kevin Palivec]] (2002)
* [[Karen Anderson]] and [[Toby Bluth]] (2003)
* [[Heather Alexander]], [[Grant Freckelton]] and [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]] (2004)
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] and [[Walter Crane]] (2005)
* [[Eric Elliott]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Lindskold|Jane Lindskold]] (2006)
* [[Wikipedia:Jerry Pournelle|Dr. Jerry Pournelle]] and [[Baron Engel]] with Special Musical Guest [[Sub-Level 03]] (2007)
* [http://www.moirahahn.com Moira Hahn] and [http://www.davebarclay.com Dave Barclay] (2008)
* [http://www.jeffpidgeon.com/ Jeff Pidgeon], Story Artist for Pixar Animation and Anita Coulter, puppeteer [2009]

== Charities ==
Each year, Further Confusion donates money to selected charities. Funds are raised both from its [[charity auction]] and from a direct grant given by the convention itself. The following charities have benefitted since Further Confusion was founded:

* 1999: ($3,500) [[wikipedia:Coyote Point Park|Coyote Point Museum]] and [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets]
* 2000: ($6,000) [[wikipedia:Cartoon Art Museum|The Cartoon Art Museum]] and [http://seaotters.org Friends of the Sea Otter]
* 2001: ($7,240) [[wikipedia:Oakland Zoo|The Oakland Zoo]] and [http://kirshner.org The Barry R. Kirshner Wildlife Foundation]
* 2002: ($5,200) [[wikipedia:Comic Book Legal Defense Fund|The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]] and [http://tigertouch.org Tiger Touch]
* 2003: ($6,000) [http://www.pawssf.org Pets Are Wonderful Support (PAWS)] and [http://www2.ucsc.edu/seymourcenter The Seymour Marine Discovery Center]
* 2004: ($10,000) [http://bayareabears.org Bay Area Bears] and [http://cathouse-fcc.org The Exotic Feline Breeding Center]
* 2005: ($10,000) [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets] and [http://friends-lulu.org Friends of Lulu]
* 2006: ($15,000) [http://www.wildlifecompanions.org/ Wildlife Companions] and the [http://www.cbldf.org/ Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]
* 2007: ($16,000) [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation]
* 2008: ($22,000) [http://www.rabbit.org House Rabbit Society], [http://http://www.rattieratz.com Rattie Ratz], and [http://www.wildcarebayarea.org/ Wildcare]

To date, the total amount donated to local charities by Further Confusion stands at $100,940.

== Themes ==
Like many [[convention|furry conventions]], Further Confusion features a different theme every year. Themes for each year are:

* 1999: Paws Across the Bay
* 2000: FCY2K
* 2001: A Furry Odyssey
* 2002: Further Confusion University
* 2003: Furries in Wonderland
* 2004: The Great Outdoors
* 2005: Furries of the Nile
* 2006: Renfur: A Knight's Tail
* 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only
* 2008: The Fur East <ref>''[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html Notes and Numbers from FC2007]'' [[Frysco]], {{lj-comm|furcon}} (25 January 2007)</ref>
* 2009: Surf Safari

==Staffing==
Unlike most conventions, Further Confusions staff changes occasionally. It is open to anyone interested in working with the convention. Any interested parties are free to email HR@furtherconfusion.org with any questions.

== References ==
<references />

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Further Confusion|Further Confusion]] at [[Wikipedia]]

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org Further Confusion official website]
* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/ Further Confusion official forums]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/ Further Confusion community] at [[LiveJournal]]
* {{con resources}}

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Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-06T17:17:08Z

Findra: /* Voting phase */

<div style="float:right; border:2px solid #bbbbbb; width:150px;">
<center>'''Discussion Pages'''</center>
*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (May 2007 - June 2008)
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'''Older conversations have been archived. Please view the links on the right review old threads.'''

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.166.210.22 ([[User talk:76.166.210.22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.166.210.22|contribs]]) 21:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC) 

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.166.210.22 ([[User talk:76.166.210.22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.166.210.22|contribs]]) 04:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC) 

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007 (01:55 and 08:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Removal of real name? (part 2) ==

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I don't mind the removal of Mozdoc's given name, under the provision already suggested by Greenreaper. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I vote in favor of removing his real name. Give the poor dude a break. He might be a fuckup, sure, but Wikifur is not a government agency or a public service, it's a privately run fandom resource that in my opinion is exercising authority it does not have by taking it upon itself to try to police the actions of individuals. [[Special:Contributions/24.6.68.79|24.6.68.79]] 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops! That was me. [[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::I also vote in favor of removing his real name. In all situations online a real name is far less useful than a list of bannable IP addresses, which has obviously been included, along with his known monikers. The only benefit I can see in leaving this guy's name publicly available is that some sort of revenge might be meted out by allowing his Furry-based exploits to threaten his real-world associations. (i.e. -- airing dirty laundry for a potential employer to find should he google-search the player's name), and I would certainly hope the administrators of Wikifur would not condone the use of the Wiki for that purpose. Since it's clear the player in question wants his named removed, I don't think it does any credit to the Furry fandom, the WikiFur community, or anyone here that that particular request is denied. He could have asked more nicely, granted, but his mode of asking doesn't make the request itself less reasonable or its granting less right. [[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 12:35, 17 June, 2008 (CST)

::::::[[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]], discussion about the permanent removal of the user's real name is still ongoing on this talk page at the present time. No final decision has been made, hence the revert on the article until some kind of consensus is reached. My opinion on the mater?,... I'm taking a neutral position on this one (not worth the headache.) Will go with the Admin majority's final decision [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 06:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Is there some kind of timeframe in place for this decision? The discussion here seems to be largely neutral or in favor of removing the name. Also, I question the wisdom that lays this man's real name vulnerable during the deciding. It seems to me that it would make more sense to remove it until a decision has been made, given that its presence here does have real-world implications. [[User:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 1:30, 17 June 2008, (CST)

:::::::: i am going to cast my vote here, which is for the continued placement of his name on the page.
:::::::: first, it is his name, there is no doubt about it.
:::::::: second, he continues his harassment against not only myself, but others. including, but not limited to death threats, which happens to be a federal crime.
:::::::: individuals who are victims of his harassment may find information which may help them in stopping him from placing them in a constant state of fear for their own safety here.
:::::::: now i am all for forgiveness and giving people breaks. but, i also believe they need to illustrate that they have actually made a change in their behavior to warrant such. he has yet to really make any change.
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC) [tired and not really wanting to type any more]

:::::::::You know, this would be so much easier if you would just shut up and get the hell lost and exit this "fandom". How about that? This article is about me and every time I try to correct something or get something changed that would make continuing my existence in this world much easier, guess who has to show the hell up and fuck with things again? That's right, YOU. How about we all vote to just simply ignore Noriko/Ayukawataur's suggestions and move forward with the removal of my real name? I have ZERO desire to be listed here on WikiFur and if so far its only the outcry of ONE person against many, then tough shit. Move ahead with my name removal so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed and move on. Shut up for once Noriko.
:::::::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|06:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::::::''so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed''
::::::::::No. Too many voices object on that point. Never going to happen. I am not opposed to the removal of your given name from this article, but there are objections and changes of position involved. Tomorrow, I will summarize the votes as stated, including dates and Admin status. Since there ''has'' been an objection raised in the past six days, I'm going to give this another week (to Mon 30 June) for people to comment and acknowledge old votes. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''Current Voting Tally:'''

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
:''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Tally as of July 3:'''

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -5 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

'''CONCERN TROLL'''
"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-06T16:09:20Z

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== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.166.210.22 ([[User talk:76.166.210.22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.166.210.22|contribs]]) 21:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC) 

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.166.210.22 ([[User talk:76.166.210.22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.166.210.22|contribs]]) 04:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC) 

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007 (01:55 and 08:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Removal of real name? (part 2) ==

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I don't mind the removal of Mozdoc's given name, under the provision already suggested by Greenreaper. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I vote in favor of removing his real name. Give the poor dude a break. He might be a fuckup, sure, but Wikifur is not a government agency or a public service, it's a privately run fandom resource that in my opinion is exercising authority it does not have by taking it upon itself to try to police the actions of individuals. [[Special:Contributions/24.6.68.79|24.6.68.79]] 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops! That was me. [[User:Rootdown|Rootdown]] 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::I also vote in favor of removing his real name. In all situations online a real name is far less useful than a list of bannable IP addresses, which has obviously been included, along with his known monikers. The only benefit I can see in leaving this guy's name publicly available is that some sort of revenge might be meted out by allowing his Furry-based exploits to threaten his real-world associations. (i.e. -- airing dirty laundry for a potential employer to find should he google-search the player's name), and I would certainly hope the administrators of Wikifur would not condone the use of the Wiki for that purpose. Since it's clear the player in question wants his named removed, I don't think it does any credit to the Furry fandom, the WikiFur community, or anyone here that that particular request is denied. He could have asked more nicely, granted, but his mode of asking doesn't make the request itself less reasonable or its granting less right. [[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 12:35, 17 June, 2008 (CST)

::::::[[user:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]], discussion about the permanent removal of the user's real name is still ongoing on this talk page at the present time. No final decision has been made, hence the revert on the article until some kind of consensus is reached. My opinion on the mater?,... I'm taking a neutral position on this one (not worth the headache.) Will go with the Admin majority's final decision [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 06:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Is there some kind of timeframe in place for this decision? The discussion here seems to be largely neutral or in favor of removing the name. Also, I question the wisdom that lays this man's real name vulnerable during the deciding. It seems to me that it would make more sense to remove it until a decision has been made, given that its presence here does have real-world implications. [[User:HellcatCordelia|HellcatCordelia]] 1:30, 17 June 2008, (CST)

:::::::: i am going to cast my vote here, which is for the continued placement of his name on the page.
:::::::: first, it is his name, there is no doubt about it.
:::::::: second, he continues his harassment against not only myself, but others. including, but not limited to death threats, which happens to be a federal crime.
:::::::: individuals who are victims of his harassment may find information which may help them in stopping him from placing them in a constant state of fear for their own safety here.
:::::::: now i am all for forgiveness and giving people breaks. but, i also believe they need to illustrate that they have actually made a change in their behavior to warrant such. he has yet to really make any change.
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC) [tired and not really wanting to type any more]

:::::::::You know, this would be so much easier if you would just shut up and get the hell lost and exit this "fandom". How about that? This article is about me and every time I try to correct something or get something changed that would make continuing my existence in this world much easier, guess who has to show the hell up and fuck with things again? That's right, YOU. How about we all vote to just simply ignore Noriko/Ayukawataur's suggestions and move forward with the removal of my real name? I have ZERO desire to be listed here on WikiFur and if so far its only the outcry of ONE person against many, then tough shit. Move ahead with my name removal so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed and move on. Shut up for once Noriko.
:::::::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|06:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::::::''so that in the future I can get my ENTIRE article removed''
::::::::::No. Too many voices object on that point. Never going to happen. I am not opposed to the removal of your given name from this article, but there are objections and changes of position involved. Tomorrow, I will summarize the votes as stated, including dates and Admin status. Since there ''has'' been an objection raised in the past six days, I'm going to give this another week (to Mon 30 June) for people to comment and acknowledge old votes. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''Current Voting Tally:'''

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis_of_mozdoc_at_fc.2708 on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
:''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

'''Tally as of July 3:'''

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -5 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

'''CONCERN TROLL'''
"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Further Confusion 2008

2008-04-23T15:50:40Z

Findra:

{{Further Confusion}}

'''Further Confusion 2008''' (also known as '''FCX''') was a [[furry]] [[convention]] that celebrated the tenth anniversary of [[Further Confusion]] from January 24 to 28 at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]].

* '''Theme''': The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>
* '''[[Guest of Honor|Guests of Honor]]''': artist [http://www.moirahahn.com/ Moira Hahn] and puppeteer [http://www.davebarclay.com/ Dave Barclay]<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2008/guests Further Confusion 2008 - Guests]</ref>
* '''Special Musical Appearance''': musician [[Wikipedia:Alexander James Adams|Alexander James Adams]]
* '''Attendance''': 2,423 <ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2009/about/history Past Further Confusions] - the [http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/293669.html initial figure] of 2,311 excluded dealers and marketplace attendees</ref>
* '''Amount Raised for Charities''': $22,000, which went to [http://www.rabbit.org House Rabbit Society], [http://http://www.rattieratz.com Rattie Ratz], and [http://www.wildcarebayarea.org/ Wildcare]

* '''Fursuiters in the parade''': 387
* '''Artshow sales''': $52,068.00

[[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]] director [[David Cooksey]] said that the board is aware that the con is outgrowing the DoubleTree and is looking at all the possibilities for the future.<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/msg.php?th=760&start=1 ''Different LARGER hotel''] on Further Confusion's forums</ref>

== Executive staff ==

In keeping with the tradition that the [[chairman]] of the con is replaced every year, Anthropomorphic Arts and Education opened bids for 2008 with application deadlines in December 2006.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/111209.html ''AAE, Inc solicits bids for Further Confusion 2008''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref> [[Bos'n|Bos'n C Otter]] was selected as the 2008 chair and in turn made an open call for a theming executive.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/173972.html ''I am looking for just the right person.''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref> The vice-chair was [[Melchar]].<ref>''[http://www.anthroarts.org/staff.html AAE Inc. - Who Are We?]''</ref>

== Second Life ==

This year, Further Confusion maintained a presence in [[Second Life]] with the Further Confusion ClubHouse ([http://slurl.com/secondlife/Critter%20Valley/164/162/22/?title=Further%20Confusion%20clubhouse teleport]) in [[Critter Valley]]. As appropriate for the event's theme, the ClubHouse featured a Japanese garden and a large pagoda, with ten stepping stones illustrating the convention's ten different yearly logos. Free virtual t-shirts from 2005 to 2008 were available inside.

== Trivia ==
* The votes for Furry Night Live were collected in the same boxes used for the [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VlxcMLTXa9Y "Dick in a box"] sketch.

<gallery>
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse entrance.jpg|ClubHouse entrance
Image:FC2008 SL pagoda steps.jpg|Pagoda steps
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse interior.jpg|Interior
Image:FC2008 SL smaller pagoda.jpg|Smaller pagoda
</gallery>

== References ==
{{WikiFurNews|Further Confusion 2008 breaks fursuit parade record}}
{{WikiFurNews|AAE bans Softpaw from Further Confusion 2008 over legal fears}}
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://mars.he.net/~furcon/regform/index.cgi Pre-registration for Further Confusion 2008] ($40 until August 2007, $45 afterwards)
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2008}}

[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2008 events]]

Talk:Further Confusion 2008

2008-04-23T04:48:31Z

Findra:

I am concerned about [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Further_Confusion_2008&curid=24038&diff=191839&oldid=185474&rcid=199936 this edit], in which FC's attendance is mysteriously inflated by over 100 attendees several months after the con, with no explanation given. This contradicts the number of 2,311 given [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2008/ on the front page of the FC 2008 website], and [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/News:Further_Confusion_2008_breaks_fursuit_parade_record news coverage at the time] also reflects the 2,311 number. I am concerned that the new number is completely different than what was originally announced, no explanation was given for this change, and the fact that it seems to have come out of the blue '''3 full months after the convention was over'''. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 14:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe that Green Reaper did make a comment about the change that he made here. The figures that were given immediately after FC2008 was finished had not included those memberships given to dealers. These are counted differently, since they're included as part of their dealer table fees. The mismatch was discovered later on when FC was closing its books for the year. I'm not sure if this was posted to the live journal or elsewhere. [[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Further Confusion 2008

2008-01-31T05:21:14Z

Findra: Key numbers from FC.

{{Further Confusion}}

'''Further Confusion 2008''' (also known as '''FCX''') was a [[furry]] [[convention]] that celebrated the tenth anniversary of [[Further Confusion]] from January 24 to 28 at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]].

* '''Theme''': The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>
* '''[[Guest of Honor|Guests of Honor]]''': artist [http://www.moirahahn.com/ Moira Hahn]<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2008/guests Further Confusion 2008 guests]</ref>
* '''Special Musical Appearance''': musician [[Wikipedia:Alexander James Adams|Alexander James Adams]]
* '''Attendance''': 2,311 <ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2008/ ''Official FC2008 Website'']</ref>
* '''Fursuiters in the parade''': 387
* '''Artshow sales''': $52,068.00

[[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]] director [[David Cooksey]] said that the board is aware that the con is outgrowing the DoubleTree and is looking at all the possibilities for the future.<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/msg.php?th=760&start=1 ''Different LARGER hotel''] on Further Confusion's forums</ref>

== Executive staff ==

In keeping with the tradition that the [[chairman]] of the con is replaced every year, Anthropomorphic Arts and Education opened bids for 2008 with application deadlines in December 2006.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/111209.html ''AAE, Inc solicits bids for Further Confusion 2008''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref> [[Bos'n|Bos'n C Otter]] was selected as the 2008 chair and in turn made an open call for a theming executive.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/173972.html ''I am looking for just the right person.''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref> The vice-chair was [[Melchar]].<ref>''[http://www.anthroarts.org/staff.html AAE Inc. - Who Are We?]''</ref>

== Second Life ==

This year, Further Confusion maintained a presence in [[Second Life]] with the Further Confusion ClubHouse ([http://slurl.com/secondlife/Critter%20Valley/164/162/22/?title=Further%20Confusion%20clubhouse teleport]) in [[Critter Valley]]. As appropriate for the event's theme, the ClubHouse featured a Japanese garden and a large pagoda, with ten stepping stones illustrating the convention's ten different yearly logos. Free virtual t-shirts from 2005 to 2008 were available inside.

<gallery>
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse entrance.jpg|ClubHouse entrance
Image:FC2008 SL pagoda steps.jpg|Pagoda steps
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse interior.jpg|Interior
Image:FC2008 SL smaller pagoda.jpg|Smaller pagoda
</gallery>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://mars.he.net/~furcon/regform/index.cgi Pre-registration for Further Confusion 2008] ($40 until August 2007, $45 afterwards)
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2008}}

[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2008 events]]

Further Confusion 2005

2007-09-25T15:52:41Z

Findra: Added charity donation totals

{{Further Confusion}}

[[Image:FC2005FursuitMakeOver.JPG|left|thumb|[[Fursuit Makeover]] at Further Confusion 2005]]
'''Further Confusion 2005''' was a [[furry]] [[convention]], the seventh annual [[Further Confusion]]. It took place over January 13-17 2005.

* '''Theme''': Furries of the Nile
* '''[[Guests of Honor]]''': [[Alan Dean Foster]] and [[Walter Crane]]
* '''Attendance''': 1,712<ref>[http://www.mustelid.com/otterhall/afcis.html Anthropomorphic Fandom Convention Information Sheet]</ref>
The [[charity auction]] benefited [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets] and [http://friends-lulu.org Friends of Lulu]. A total of $10,000 was donated to the two charities.

== Financials ==
[[Image:HazmatFC2005.JPG|right|thumb|[[Hazmat]], one of the many [[fursuits]] seen at Further Confusion 2005]][[Image:FC2005Fursuit.JPG|right|thumb|[[Fursuit]]ers [[Gola'Waya]] and [[Kchierath]] playing at [[Further Confusion 2005]].]]
{{con-finance
|organization = [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, Inc.]]
|currency = $
|initial-assets = 104926
|final-assets = 117057
|initial-cash = 38079
|final-cash = 45858
|initial-liabilities = 26450
|final-liabilities = 43794
|total-revenue = 133745
|charity-revenue = 40526
|membership-revenue = 89042
|merchandise-profit = 748
|events-profit = 0
|total-expense = 98021
|occupancy-expense = 0
|equipment-expense = 8549
|printing-expense = 10498
|source = [http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?userHomePage=false&npoId=690983 Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, Inc. Form 990] ([http://www.npccny.org/Form_990/990.htm description]) from [http://guidestar.com GuideStar.com]
}}

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2005}}

{{con-stub}}

[[Category:Conventions]]
[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2005 events]]

Further Confusion 2007

2007-09-25T15:36:01Z

Findra: /* Staff */

{{Further Confusion}}[[Image:Byakko and David von Foxkin fursuits.JPG|right|thumb|[[David von Foxkin]] and [[Byakko]], [[fursuiters]] in the halls at [[Further Confusion 2007]].]]

'''Further Confusion 2007''' was the ninth annual [[Further Confusion]], a [[furry]] [[convention]]. It was held from January 18 - 22, 2007, at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ San Jose DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]], U.S.A.

* '''Theme''': Fur Your Eyes Only
* '''[[Guests of Honor]]''': [[Baron Engel]], [[Wikipedia: Jerry Pournelle|Jerry Pournelle]], [[Sub-level 03]]
* '''Attendance''': 2,062 (including 120 sponsors and 71 patrons)<ref name="notesand">[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html Notes and Numbers from FC2007]. Post by [[Frysco]] to the FurCon [[LiveJournal]], January 25 2007.</ref>

Standard registration cost $50 at the door, while sponsors paid $100 and patrons $200. Part of each registration ($15, $50 and $100 respectively) was a [[Wikipedia:Tax deduction|tax-deductible donation]] to [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, Inc.]].

A total of $16,000 was donated to the two selected charities. $8,000 each went to [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation].

== Events ==
[[Image:GR FC2007 fursuit post-parade photoshoot.jpg|thumb|left|Further Confusion 2007 fursuit parade]]
The convention events included a [[dealers' den]], [[Iron Artist]], dances, and a [[fursuit parade]] in which at least 287 [[fursuiter]]s participated.<ref name="notesand"/> 137 panels covered various topics such as writing, [[furry spirituality]], and [[fursuiting]]. The official convention [[charity|charities]] were the [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com/ Golden State Greyhound Adoption] and the [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org/ Stanislaus Wildlife Care Center]. The [[art show]] sales and auctions amounted to nearly $54,000.<ref name="notesand"/>
[[Image:FC2007VarietyShow.JPG|right|thumb|The finale of the [[Variety Show]] at [[Further Confusion 2007]]]]
[[Image:FC2007Fursuiters.JPG|right|thumb|Some of the [[fursuiters]] in the halls at [[Further Confusion 2007]]]]
== Masquerade ==
The winners of the 2007 [[masquerade]] contest included:

* '''Novice:''' first place: [[Usagi]], runner-up: [[Mishka]]
* '''Journeyman:''' first place: [[Godiva]], runner-up: [[Cackle]]
* '''Master:''' first place: [[The Beast]], runner-up: [[Iceberg]]
* '''Professional:''' first place: [[Dar'rushk]], runner-up: [[Neon]]
* '''Costume-con special award:''' [[Nemos]]
* '''Best in Show:''' [[Cackle]]

== Staff ==

The Executive Staff of Further Confusion 2007 <ref>''Further Confusion 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only''. Milpitas, California: Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, 2007. p. 26.</ref> included:
* Chairman: Laura Cherry (Squirrel)
* Vice Chairman: Vandrav Sheridan
* Media Relations: Lee Strom ([[Chairo]])
* Business Director: Chris Sturtivant ([[Findra]])
* Asst. Business Director: Jerry Tien (Silene)
* Events Directors: Michael Sawyer (Aeto) and James Lenigk (Fyx)
* IT Director: Vince Cardinale (Berg Polarbear)
* IT Second: Michael Graff (Skandragon)
* Marketing Director: David Cooksey ([[Flint_Otterhall|Flint]])
* Executive Secretary: Elizabeth French ([[Genevive Fox]])

== Conbook ==
[[Image:FurtherConfusion2007Cover.JPG|left|thumb|98px|Front cover of the conbook.]]
The [[conbook]] for Further Confusion 2007 is color thoroughout, 54 pages, with a front cover by [[Baron Engel]] and back cover by [[Smudge]]. It contains a message from the chair and vice-chair; the [[Code of Conduct]]; listings of staff, patrons and sponsors; description of the guests of honor and of events. It also includes three fiction pieces: "Morale" by [[Matthew Joseph Harrington]], "Even Double Agents Need Days Off" by [[Renchan]], and "The Crucible" by [[Kim Liu]], illustrated by [[Dave Bryant]]. There is interior art by Baron Engel, [[Blue Tiger]], [[Bill Fitts]], [[Brian Reynolds]], [[Daniel S. Keller|Daniel "Hoagiebot" Keller]], [[Dook]], [[DJ Mixer]], [[Frank Gembeck]], [[James L. Brandt]], [[N]], [[Shuik]], [[Smudge]], and [[Vaughan Greer]].<ref>''Further Confusion 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only''. Milpitas, California: Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, 2007. p. 2.</ref>
[[Image:FurtherConfusion2007Shirt.JPG|left|thumb|130px|Further Confusion 2007 t-shirt.]]

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2007/ Further Confusion 2007] official website
* [http://upcoming.org/event/140502/ Further Confusion 2007] at Upcoming.org
* [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2257 Further Confusion 2007] theme announcement on [[Flayrah]]
* ''[http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007 Furry fans flock to Further Confusion 2007]'' at [[Wikipedia:Wikinews|Wikinews]]
* [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel San Jose]
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2007}}

[[Category:Conventions]]
[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2007 events]]

Further Confusion 2008

2007-09-25T15:31:19Z

Findra: Moved Alexander James Adams to 'special musical appearance', not GOH

{{Further Confusion}}

'''Further Confusion 2008''' (also known as '''FCX''') is a [[furry]] [[convention]] that will celebrate the tenth anniversary of [[Further Confusion]] from January 24 to 28 at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]].

* '''Theme''': The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>
* '''[[Guest of Honor|Guests of Honor]]''': artist [http://www.moirahahn.com/ Moira Hahn]<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2008/guests Further Confusion 2008 guests]</ref>
* '''Special Musical Appearance''': musician [[Wikipedia:Alexander James Adams|Alexander James Adams]]

[[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]] director [[David Cooksey]] said that the board is aware that the con is outgrowing the DoubleTree and is looking at all the possibilities for the future.<ref>[http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/msg.php?th=760&start=1 ''Different LARGER hotel''] on Further Confusion's forums</ref>

== Executive staff ==

In keeping with the tradition that the [[chairman]] of the con is replaced every year, Anthropomorphic Arts and Education opened bids for 2008 with application deadlines in December 2006.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/111209.html ''AAE, Inc solicits bids for Further Confusion 2008''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref> [[Bos'n|Bos'n C Otter]] was selected as the 2008 chair and in turn made an open call for a theming executive.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/173972.html ''I am looking for just the right person.''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>

== Second Life ==

This year, Further Confusion is maintaining a presence in [[Second Life]] with the Further Confusion ClubHouse ([http://slurl.com/secondlife/Critter%20Valley/164/162/22/?title=Further%20Confusion%20clubhouse teleport]) in [[Critter Valley]]. As appropriate for the event's theme, the ClubHouse features a Japanese garden and a large pagoda, with ten stepping stones illustrating the convention's ten different yearly logos. Free virtual t-shirts from 2005 to 2008 are available inside.

<gallery>
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse entrance.jpg|ClubHouse entrance
Image:FC2008 SL pagoda steps.jpg|Pagoda steps
Image:FC2008 SL clubhouse interior.jpg|Interior
Image:FC2008 SL smaller pagoda.jpg|Smaller pagoda
</gallery>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
* [https://mars.he.net/~furcon/regform/index.cgi Pre-registration for Further Confusion 2008] ($40 until August 2007, $45 afterwards)
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2008}}

[[Category:Conventions]]
[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2008 events]]

Mozdoc

2007-09-13T23:41:59Z

Findra: /* MUCK bans */

{{cleanup}}
'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (real name: '''Jeremy Quentin Wetzel''') is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a glittering magical [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He currently resides in California.

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into [[Argon]]'s account (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper).<ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent ban. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He has also been banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after, after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref> Mozdoc was banned from [[Furbid]] by Ayukawataur as well.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by FA administration. Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums as well.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref><ref>[http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?nc=18 Attack on Goldfur] </ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.<ref>It is generally believed that these allegations are true. However, [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)

[[Category:People]][[Category:Taur characters]][[Category:California]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-09-13T23:38:23Z

Findra: /* Problems with referencing */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:203.81.29.204|203.81.29.204]] ([[User talk:203.81.29.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.81.29.204|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:The above message was posted through a proxy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

== Problems with referencing ==

* Some things are cited to spindizzynews.org which has been admitted to be tounge-in-cheek style.[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=135692&oldid=135690] My understanding is that spindizzy.org is okay as a reference, but spindizzynews.org is not.
* One reference is cited to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc but the link doesn't go anywhere. Putting aside whether we should use WikiFur itself as a reference, the link should be to a specific diff.
* Not a good reference "It is generally believed that these allegations are true." By who?
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:*Agree, though it might be worth keeping it around as an example of the reaction.
:*We should use WikiFur as a reference for actions taken on WikiFur.
:*By me, if you want a specific example. By others, too. Can it be proved? Not officially without AAE saying so, and they've said explicitly that they won't. Is it, in all likelihood, true? Yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::*Tried to clarify the source of the information between the two articles. Based on further looking, I don't think there's a difference between the ''domains'' spindizzy.org and spindizzynews.org, just that specific articles may or may not be written in a humourous style.
::*Agree, WikiFur can be a source for things that happen on WikiFur. I found the specific diff that seems to be the source. I'm not sure whether it's a particularly good source, since the account has no other edits.
::*True, proof is difficult and can be a lot to expect. Even a link to a blog or forum post could be enough to let readers evaluate the sources on their own.
::I made some edits based on these points. If there are any mistakes I am happy to correct them. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

::I have some comments on the [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm SpinDizzy News] article cited here. I am the server wizard for SpinDizzy, and held the same post back in 2000 when the events mentioned took place (not hard to check if you want to). I'm not sure if I may use my own knowledge as a reference for Wikifur, but here is my analysis of the factual accuracy of the SpinDizzy News article.
::*The majorty of the statements of fact (as opposed to opinions) in the article are accurate. I did, indeed receive numerous emails from Mozdoc of the form indicated in the first paragraph, over a long period of time following his first and subsequent bans.
::*The second and third paragraphs about his hacking attempt on Argon's account, and his defence, is factually accurate. I was the wizard who searched through the connection logs at the time, and was present when he was confronted with the results.
::*The fourth paragraph is accurate (to the best of my recollection wrt the connection count). Once we noticed the 'Myana' character using an IP address known to have been used by Mozdoc, it quickly became obvious it was being used by the same person, since when the character was blocked and ask to contact a wizard, there resulted another email from Mozdoc full of expletives demanding to know how we knew it was his alt.
::*The list of mucks from which Mozdoc had been banned was purely for comic effect, obviously.
::*The sixth paragraph is factually accurate about the onslaught of e-mails. The rest of the article is a mix of fact and opinion that probably doesn't have any relevence to the Mozdoc page on Wikifur.
::In summary, it would be safe from an accuracy point of view to use the facts detailed above. Whether their use would also be in accord with Wikifur's policies for verifiability, I do not know. Fortunately, there are people in this thread much more well versed in that than I! I hope that this has helped clear up the confusion over the accuracy and satirical content of the SpinDizzy News article. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit to the main page, Rat. I've edited it to remove some redundancy, and removed some ambiguities that were in there. I think it flows better now, but please feel free to change it further if you wish. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Mozdoc

2007-09-13T23:35:55Z

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{{cleanup}}
'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (real name: '''Jeremy Quentin Wetzel''') is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a glittering magical [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He currently resides in California.

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into [[Argon]]'s account (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper).<ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent one. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He has also been banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after, after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref> Mozdoc was banned from [[Furbid]] by Ayukawataur as well.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by FA administration. Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums as well.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref><ref>[http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?nc=18 Attack on Goldfur] </ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.<ref>It is generally believed that these allegations are true. However, [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)

[[Category:People]][[Category:Taur characters]][[Category:California]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-09-13T19:08:20Z

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Mozdoc

2007-08-24T05:18:11Z

Findra: Reverted back to previous version - see talk page

{{cleanup}}
'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (real name: '''Jeremy Quentin Wetzel''') is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a glittering magical [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He currently resides in California.

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, starting with the [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was accused of breaking into another player's account in 2000. Originally a six-month suspension from the MUCK, it ended up becoming a permanent one when he attempted to break through his suspension by repeatedly attempting to connect to Spindizzy.

In one 36-hour period he registered at least 1,100 failed connections, being caught on the act every time, until his final banishment from the site.<ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref> After finally giving up on this attack, he obtained a new ISP, and, using the character alias '''Myana''' attempted to evade the site's ban, which worked until such time as a [[wizard]] noticed him.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He has also been banned from [[FurryMUCK]], [[Altered Realities]]<ref>http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc......</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]], and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after, after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref> Mozdoc was banned from [[Furbid]] by Ayukawataur as well.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by FA administration. Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey message in other forums as well.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref><ref>[http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?nc=18 Attack on Goldfur] </ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.<ref>It is generally believed that these allegations are true. However, [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)

[[Category:People]][[Category:Taur characters]][[Category:California]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-08-23T18:24:23Z

Findra: /* Removal of real name? */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. {{unsigned|203.81.29.204}}

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-08-23T15:49:51Z

Findra: /* Removal of real name? */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. {{unsigned|203.81.29.204}}

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

Further Confusion

2007-08-14T05:53:13Z

Findra: /* History */

[[Image:Further_Confusion_logo.png|right|Further Confusion]]
{{Further Confusion}}
'''Further Confusion''' (or '''FurCon''', sometimes '''FURther CONfusion''') is an annual [[convention]] celebrating the [[anthropomorphic]]s genre or [[furry fandom]]. It is the [[List of conventions by attendance|2nd largest such convention]] in the world and takes place in the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|Bay Area of California]] each January. It includes charitable benefits, educational seminars, art shows, panels, and general social activities. It was the first event sponsored by [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]], Inc. (FurCon is its registered service mark) and continues to be its largest. It will next be held 24-28 January 2008, at the DoubleTree Hotel, [[Wikipedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]].

Further Confusion has the largest art show of any convention in the fandom with sales routinely exceeding US$50,000. Indeed, one piece alone (''[http://web.archive.org/web/20041101222805/www.goldenwolfen.com/portfolio/eyesofthenight.htm Eyes of the Night]'' by [[Goldenwolf]]) went for $10,000 at Further Confusion 2004, the result of a close, fierce bid battle between [[Flint Otterhall]] and a local appreciator of [[furry art]].<ref>[http://www.livejournal.com/users/normanrafferty/415153.html ''Just a quick update from Further Confusion 2004''] - note about the $10,000 painting</ref>

Significant events of Further Confusion include an [[Iron Artist]] competition, the original Critterlympics and an in-house Television station (FCTV) that broadcasts during the convention.

== History ==
[[Image:FC Attendance Graph 2007-1999.PNG|right|thumb|Further Confusion Attendance from 1999-2007.]]
Beginning in 1999 with attendance of 691 individuals, it has grown rapidly: in 2007 there were 2,062 registered attendees. Since its start, FurCon has donated $78,940 to various local charitable beneficiaries.

== Guests of Honor ==

Further Confusion honors several [[Guest of honor|guests of honor]] each year. Previous guests have been:

* [[Ed Kline]], [[Ken Mitchroney]] and [[Michael H. Payne]] (1999)
* [[wikipedia:C. J. Cherryh|C. J. Cherryh]], [[Shawn Keller]], [[John Nunnemacher]], [[Karen Prell]], [[Mike Quinn]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Fancher|Jane Fancher]] (2000)
* [[wikipedia:Diane Duane|Diane Duane]], [[Christina Hanson]], [[wikipedia:Peter Morwood|Peter Morwood]], [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]] (2001)
* [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]] and [[Kevin Palivec]] (2002)
* [[Karen Anderson]] and [[Toby Bluth]] (2003)
* [[Heather Alexander]], [[Grant Freckelton]] and [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]] (2004)
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] and [[Walter Crane]] (2005)
* [[Eric Elliott]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Lindskold|Jane Lindskold]] (2006)
* [[Wikipedia:Jerry Pournelle|Dr. Jerry Pournelle]] and [[Baron Engel]] with Special Musical Guest [[Sub-Level 03]] (2007)

== Charities ==
Each year, Further Confusion donates money to selected charities. Funds are raised both from its [[charity auction]] and from a direct grant given by the convention itself. The following charities have benefitted since Further Confusion was founded:

* 1999: ($3,500) [[wikipedia:Coyote Point Park|Coyote Point Museum]] and [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets]
* 2000: ($6,000) [[wikipedia:Cartoon Art Museum|The Cartoon Art Museum]] and [http://seaotters.org Friends of the Sea Otter]
* 2001: ($7,240) [[wikipedia:Oakland Zoo|The Oakland Zoo]] and [http://kirshner.org The Barry R. Kirshner Wildlife Foundation]
* 2002: ($5,200) [[wikipedia:Comic Book Legal Defense Fund|The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]] and [http://tigertouch.org Tiger Touch]
* 2003: ($6,000) [http://www.pawssf.org Pets Are Wonderful Support (PAWS)] and [http://www2.ucsc.edu/seymourcenter The Seymour Marine Discovery Center]
* 2004: ($10,000) [http://bayareabears.org Bay Area Bears] and [http://cathouse-fcc.org The Exotic Feline Breeding Center]
* 2005: ($10,000) [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets] and [http://friends-lulu.org Friends of Lulu]
* 2006: ($15,000) [http://www.wildlifecompanions.org/ Wildlife Companions] and the [http://www.cbldf.org/ Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]
* 2007: ($16,000) [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation]

To date, the total amount donated to local charities by Further Confusion stands at $78,940.

== Themes ==
Like most [[Convention|furry conventions]], Further Confusion features a different theme every year. Past themes were:

* 1999: Paws Across the Bay
* 2000: FCY2K
* 2001: A Furry Odyssey
* 2002: Further Confusion University
* 2003: Furries in Wonderland
* 2004: The Great Outdoors
* 2005: Furries of the Nile
* 2006: Renfur: A Knight's Tail
* 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only
* 2008: The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>

==Staffing==
Unlike most conventions, Further Confusions staff changes occasionally. It is open to anyone interested in working with the convention. Any interested parties are free to email HR@furtherconfusion.org with any questions.

== References ==
<references />

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Further Confusion|Further Confusion]] at [[Wikipedia]]

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org Further Confusion official website]
* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/ Further Confusion official forums]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/ Further Confusion community] at [[LiveJournal]]
* {{con resources}}

[[Category:Conventions]][[Category:California]][[Category:1999 births]]

Further Confusion

2007-08-14T05:42:29Z

Findra: /* Charities */

[[Image:Further_Confusion_logo.png|right|Further Confusion]]
{{Further Confusion}}
'''Further Confusion''' (or '''FurCon''', sometimes '''FURther CONfusion''') is an annual [[convention]] celebrating the [[anthropomorphic]]s genre or [[furry fandom]]. It is the [[List of conventions by attendance|2nd largest such convention]] in the world and takes place in the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|Bay Area of California]] each January. It includes charitable benefits, educational seminars, art shows, panels, and general social activities. It was the first event sponsored by [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]], Inc. (FurCon is its registered service mark) and continues to be its largest. It will next be held 24-28 January 2008, at the DoubleTree Hotel, [[Wikipedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]].

Further Confusion has the largest art show of any convention in the fandom with sales routinely exceeding US$50,000. Indeed, one piece alone (''[http://web.archive.org/web/20041101222805/www.goldenwolfen.com/portfolio/eyesofthenight.htm Eyes of the Night]'' by [[Goldenwolf]]) went for $10,000 at Further Confusion 2004, the result of a close, fierce bid battle between [[Flint Otterhall]] and a local appreciator of [[furry art]].<ref>[http://www.livejournal.com/users/normanrafferty/415153.html ''Just a quick update from Further Confusion 2004''] - note about the $10,000 painting</ref>

Significant events of Further Confusion include an [[Iron Artist]] competition, the original Critterlympics and an in-house Television station (FCTV) that broadcasts during the convention.

== History ==
[[Image:FC Attendance Graph 2007-1999.PNG|right|thumb|Further Confusion Attendance from 1999-2007.]]
Beginning in 1999 with attendance of 691 individuals, it has grown rapidly: in 2007 there were 2,062 registered attendees. In the past 7 years, FurCon has donated over $50,000 to various charitable beneficiaries.

== Guests of Honor ==

Further Confusion honors several [[Guest of honor|guests of honor]] each year. Previous guests have been:

* [[Ed Kline]], [[Ken Mitchroney]] and [[Michael H. Payne]] (1999)
* [[wikipedia:C. J. Cherryh|C. J. Cherryh]], [[Shawn Keller]], [[John Nunnemacher]], [[Karen Prell]], [[Mike Quinn]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Fancher|Jane Fancher]] (2000)
* [[wikipedia:Diane Duane|Diane Duane]], [[Christina Hanson]], [[wikipedia:Peter Morwood|Peter Morwood]], [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]] (2001)
* [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]] and [[Kevin Palivec]] (2002)
* [[Karen Anderson]] and [[Toby Bluth]] (2003)
* [[Heather Alexander]], [[Grant Freckelton]] and [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]] (2004)
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] and [[Walter Crane]] (2005)
* [[Eric Elliott]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Lindskold|Jane Lindskold]] (2006)
* [[Wikipedia:Jerry Pournelle|Dr. Jerry Pournelle]] and [[Baron Engel]] with Special Musical Guest [[Sub-Level 03]] (2007)

== Charities ==
Each year, Further Confusion donates money to selected charities. Funds are raised both from its [[charity auction]] and from a direct grant given by the convention itself. The following charities have benefitted since Further Confusion was founded:

* 1999: ($3,500) [[wikipedia:Coyote Point Park|Coyote Point Museum]] and [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets]
* 2000: ($6,000) [[wikipedia:Cartoon Art Museum|The Cartoon Art Museum]] and [http://seaotters.org Friends of the Sea Otter]
* 2001: ($7,240) [[wikipedia:Oakland Zoo|The Oakland Zoo]] and [http://kirshner.org The Barry R. Kirshner Wildlife Foundation]
* 2002: ($5,200) [[wikipedia:Comic Book Legal Defense Fund|The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]] and [http://tigertouch.org Tiger Touch]
* 2003: ($6,000) [http://www.pawssf.org Pets Are Wonderful Support (PAWS)] and [http://www2.ucsc.edu/seymourcenter The Seymour Marine Discovery Center]
* 2004: ($10,000) [http://bayareabears.org Bay Area Bears] and [http://cathouse-fcc.org The Exotic Feline Breeding Center]
* 2005: ($10,000) [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets] and [http://friends-lulu.org Friends of Lulu]
* 2006: ($15,000) [http://www.wildlifecompanions.org/ Wildlife Companions] and the [http://www.cbldf.org/ Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]
* 2007: ($16,000) [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation]

To date, the total amount donated to local charities by Further Confusion stands at $78,940.

== Themes ==
Like most [[Convention|furry conventions]], Further Confusion features a different theme every year. Past themes were:

* 1999: Paws Across the Bay
* 2000: FCY2K
* 2001: A Furry Odyssey
* 2002: Further Confusion University
* 2003: Furries in Wonderland
* 2004: The Great Outdoors
* 2005: Furries of the Nile
* 2006: Renfur: A Knight's Tail
* 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only
* 2008: The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>

==Staffing==
Unlike most conventions, Further Confusions staff changes occasionally. It is open to anyone interested in working with the convention. Any interested parties are free to email HR@furtherconfusion.org with any questions.

== References ==
<references />

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Further Confusion|Further Confusion]] at [[Wikipedia]]

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org Further Confusion official website]
* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/ Further Confusion official forums]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/ Further Confusion community] at [[LiveJournal]]
* {{con resources}}

[[Category:Conventions]][[Category:California]][[Category:1999 births]]

Further Confusion 2007

2007-08-14T05:29:38Z

Findra:

{{Further Confusion}}[[Image:Byakko and David von Foxkin fursuits.JPG|right|thumb|[[David von Foxkin]] and [[Byakko]], [[fursuiters]] in the halls at [[Further Confusion 2007]].]]

'''Further Confusion 2007''' was the ninth annual [[Further Confusion]], a [[furry]] [[convention]]. It was held from January 18 - 22, 2007, at the [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ San Jose DoubleTree Hotel] in [[WikiPedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]], [[WikiPedia:California|California]], U.S.A.

* '''Theme''': Fur Your Eyes Only
* '''[[Guests of Honor]]''': [[Baron Engel]], [[Wikipedia: Jerry Pournelle|Jerry Pournelle]], [[Sub-level 03]]
* '''Attendance''': 2,062 (including 120 sponsors and 71 patrons)<ref name="notesand">[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html Notes and Numbers from FC2007]. Post by [[Frysco]] to the FurCon [[LiveJournal]], January 25 2007.</ref>

Standard registration cost $50 at the door, while sponsors paid $100 and patrons $200. Part of each registration ($15, $50 and $100 respectively) was a [[Wikipedia:Tax deduction|tax-deductible donation]] to [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, Inc.]].

A total of $16,000 was donated to the two selected charities. $8,000 each went to [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation].

== Events ==
[[Image:GR FC2007 fursuit post-parade photoshoot.jpg|thumb|left|Further Confusion 2007 fursuit parade]]
The convention events included a [[dealers' den]], [[Iron Artist]], dances, and a [[fursuit parade]] in which at least 287 [[fursuiter]]s participated.<ref name="notesand"/> 137 panels covered various topics such as writing, [[furry spirituality]], and [[fursuiting]]. The official convention [[charity|charities]] were the [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com/ Golden State Greyhound Adoption] and the [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org/ Stanislaus Wildlife Care Center]. The [[art show]] sales and auctions amounted to nearly $54,000.<ref name="notesand"/>
[[Image:FC2007VarietyShow.JPG|right|thumb|The finale of the [[Variety Show]] at [[Further Confusion 2007]]]]
[[Image:FC2007Fursuiters.JPG|right|thumb|Some of the [[fursuiters]] in the halls at [[Further Confusion 2007]]]]
== Masquerade ==
The winners of the 2007 [[masquerade]] contest included:

* '''Novice:''' first place: [[Usagi]], runner-up: [[Mishka]]
* '''Journeyman:''' first place: [[Godiva]], runner-up: [[Cackle]]
* '''Master:''' first place: [[The Beast]], runner-up: [[Iceberg]]
* '''Professional:''' first place: [[Dar'rushk]], runner-up: [[Neon]]
* '''Costume-con special award:''' [[Nemos]]
* '''Best in Show:''' [[Cackle]]

== Staff ==

The Executive Staff of Further Confusion 2007 <ref>''Further Confusion 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only''. Milpitas, California: Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, 2007. p. 26.</ref> included:
* Chairman: Laura Cherry (Squirrel)
* Vice Chairman: Vandrav Sheridan
* Media Relations: Lee Strom ([[Chairo]])
* Business Director: Chris Sturtivant (Findra)
* Asst. Business Director: Jerry Tien (Silene)
* Events Directors: Michael Sawyer (Aeto) and James Lenigk (Fyx)
* IT Director: Vince Cardinale (Berg Polarbear)
* IT Second: Michael Graff (Skandragon)
* Marketing Director: David Cooksey ([[Flint_Otterhall|Flint]])
* Executive Secretary: Elizabeth French ([[Genevive Fox]])

== Conbook ==
[[Image:FurtherConfusion2007Cover.JPG|left|thumb|98px|Front cover of the conbook.]]
The [[conbook]] for Further Confusion 2007 is color thoroughout, 54 pages, with a front cover by [[Baron Engel]] and back cover by [[Smudge]]. It contains a message from the chair and vice-chair; the [[Code of Conduct]]; listings of staff, patrons and sponsors; description of the guests of honor and of events. It also includes three fiction pieces: "Morale" by [[Matthew Joseph Harrington]], "Even Double Agents Need Days Off" by [[Renchan]], and "The Crucible" by [[Kim Liu]], illustrated by [[Dave Bryant]]. There is interior art by Baron Engel, [[Blue Tiger]], [[Bill Fitts]], [[Brian Reynolds]], [[Daniel S. Keller|Daniel "Hoagiebot" Keller]], [[Dook]], [[DJ Mixer]], [[Frank Gembeck]], [[James L. Brandt]], [[N]], [[Shuik]], [[Smudge]], and [[Vaughan Greer]].<ref>''Further Confusion 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only''. Milpitas, California: Anthropomorphic Arts and Education, 2007. p. 2.</ref>
[[Image:FurtherConfusion2007Shirt.JPG|left|thumb|130px|Further Confusion 2007 t-shirt.]]

== References ==
<references/>

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/fc2007/ Further Confusion 2007] official website
* [http://upcoming.org/event/140502/ Further Confusion 2007] at Upcoming.org
* [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2257 Further Confusion 2007] theme announcement on [[Flayrah]]
* ''[http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007 Furry fans flock to Further Confusion 2007]'' at [[Wikipedia:Wikinews|Wikinews]]
* [http://www.doubletreesanjose.com/ DoubleTree Hotel San Jose]
* {{con resources|Further Confusion|Further Confusion 2007}}

[[Category:Conventions]]
[[Category:California]]
[[Category:2007 events]]

Further Confusion

2007-08-14T05:26:32Z

Findra: /* Charities */

[[Image:Further_Confusion_logo.png|right|Further Confusion]]
{{Further Confusion}}
'''Further Confusion''' (or '''FurCon''', sometimes '''FURther CONfusion''') is an annual [[convention]] celebrating the [[anthropomorphic]]s genre or [[furry fandom]]. It is the [[List of conventions by attendance|2nd largest such convention]] in the world and takes place in the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|Bay Area of California]] each January. It includes charitable benefits, educational seminars, art shows, panels, and general social activities. It was the first event sponsored by [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]], Inc. (FurCon is its registered service mark) and continues to be its largest. It will next be held 24-28 January 2008, at the DoubleTree Hotel, [[Wikipedia:San Jose, California|San Jose]].

Further Confusion has the largest art show of any convention in the fandom with sales routinely exceeding US$50,000. Indeed, one piece alone (''[http://web.archive.org/web/20041101222805/www.goldenwolfen.com/portfolio/eyesofthenight.htm Eyes of the Night]'' by [[Goldenwolf]]) went for $10,000 at Further Confusion 2004, the result of a close, fierce bid battle between [[Flint Otterhall]] and a local appreciator of [[furry art]].<ref>[http://www.livejournal.com/users/normanrafferty/415153.html ''Just a quick update from Further Confusion 2004''] - note about the $10,000 painting</ref>

Significant events of Further Confusion include an [[Iron Artist]] competition, the original Critterlympics and an in-house Television station (FCTV) that broadcasts during the convention.

== History ==
[[Image:FC Attendance Graph 2007-1999.PNG|right|thumb|Further Confusion Attendance from 1999-2007.]]
Beginning in 1999 with attendance of 691 individuals, it has grown rapidly: in 2007 there were 2,062 registered attendees. In the past 7 years, FurCon has donated over $50,000 to various charitable beneficiaries.

== Guests of Honor ==

Further Confusion honors several [[Guest of honor|guests of honor]] each year. Previous guests have been:

* [[Ed Kline]], [[Ken Mitchroney]] and [[Michael H. Payne]] (1999)
* [[wikipedia:C. J. Cherryh|C. J. Cherryh]], [[Shawn Keller]], [[John Nunnemacher]], [[Karen Prell]], [[Mike Quinn]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Fancher|Jane Fancher]] (2000)
* [[wikipedia:Diane Duane|Diane Duane]], [[Christina Hanson]], [[wikipedia:Peter Morwood|Peter Morwood]], [[Felorin]] and [[Talzhemir]] (2001)
* [[wikipedia:David Brin|David Brin]] and [[Kevin Palivec]] (2002)
* [[Karen Anderson]] and [[Toby Bluth]] (2003)
* [[Heather Alexander]], [[Grant Freckelton]] and [[wikipedia:Larry Niven|Larry Niven]] (2004)
* [[Alan Dean Foster]] and [[Walter Crane]] (2005)
* [[Eric Elliott]] and [[wikipedia:Jane Lindskold|Jane Lindskold]] (2006)
* [[Wikipedia:Jerry Pournelle|Dr. Jerry Pournelle]] and [[Baron Engel]] with Special Musical Guest [[Sub-Level 03]] (2007)

== Charities ==
Each year, Further Confusion donates money to selected charities. Funds are raised both from its [[charity auction]] and from a direct grant given by the convention itself. The following charities have benefitted since Further Confusion was founded:

* 1999: [[wikipedia:Coyote Point Park|Coyote Point Museum]] and [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets]
* 2000: [[wikipedia:Cartoon Art Museum|The Cartoon Art Museum]] and [http://seaotters.org Friends of the Sea Otter]
* 2001: [[wikipedia:Oakland Zoo|The Oakland Zoo]] and [http://kirshner.org The Barry R. Kirshner Wildlife Foundation]
* 2002: [[wikipedia:Comic Book Legal Defense Fund|The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]] and [http://tigertouch.org Tiger Touch]
* 2003: [http://www.pawssf.org Pets Are Wonderful Support (PAWS)] and [http://www2.ucsc.edu/seymourcenter The Seymour Marine Discovery Center]
* 2004: [http://bayareabears.org Bay Area Bears] and [http://cathouse-fcc.org The Exotic Feline Breeding Center]
* 2005: [http://therapypets.org Therapy Pets] and [http://friends-lulu.org Friends of Lulu]
* 2006: [http://www.wildlifecompanions.org/ Wildlife Companions] and the [http://www.cbldf.org/ Comic Book Legal Defense Fund]
* 2007: ($16,000 total) [http://www.goldengreyhounds.com Golden State Greyhounds] and [http://www.stanislauswildlife.org Stanislaus Wildlife Rehabilitation]

== Themes ==
Like most [[Convention|furry conventions]], Further Confusion features a different theme every year. Past themes were:

* 1999: Paws Across the Bay
* 2000: FCY2K
* 2001: A Furry Odyssey
* 2002: Further Confusion University
* 2003: Furries in Wonderland
* 2004: The Great Outdoors
* 2005: Furries of the Nile
* 2006: Renfur: A Knight's Tail
* 2007: Fur Your Eyes Only
* 2008: The Fur East <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/152640.html ''Notes and Numbers from FC2007''] on FurCon's [[LiveJournal]] community</ref>

==Staffing==
Unlike most conventions, Further Confusions staff changes occasionally. It is open to anyone interested in working with the convention. Any interested parties are free to email HR@furtherconfusion.org with any questions.

== References ==
<references />

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Further Confusion|Further Confusion]] at [[Wikipedia]]

== External links ==

* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org Further Confusion official website]
* [http://www.furtherconfusion.org/forums/ Further Confusion official forums]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/ Further Confusion community] at [[LiveJournal]]
* {{con resources}}

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Findra

2007-08-06T16:52:52Z

Findra: Added more information about FC and UMA, corrected information about Golden Realms muck.

'''Findra''' is a [[furry]] who found [[furry fandom]] in 1995, whilst a resident of [[Wikipedia:Leicester|Leicester]], England. Moving to the USA, she became a [[MUCK]] [[wizard]] and server administrator for [[SpinDizzy]], and [[Golden Realms MUCK]] (the latter in a non-executive role).

Findra is an regular member of the [[Further Confusion]] [[convention committee]], acting as their Hotel Liaison for [[Further Confusion 2005|2005]], Executive Secretary for [[Further Confusion 2006|2006]], and Business Director for [[Further Confusion 2007|2007]]. For [[Further Confusion 2008|2008]], Findra is again Executive Secretary as well as [[AAE]]'s representative on the [[Ursa Major Awards]] committee.

Findra is also a [[puppeteer]], and a member of [[PawPets West]].

Findra typically takes the form of a [[rabbit]], although she was previously known as a [[dolphin]] (hence the name).

== External links ==
{{Contributor}}
* [http://findra.livejournal.com/ Findra's Journal] on [[LiveJournal]]

{{person-stub}}

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SpinDizzy

2007-05-22T16:31:02Z

Findra:

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'''SpinDizzy''' is [[MUCK]] which is the successor to [[Toons Furr and Fluff]] (TFF).

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''': muck.spindizzy.org, port 7072
** '''Website''': http://www.spindizzy.org/
* '''Ran from/to''': 1998 - present

SpinDizzy also has a regularly published online newspaper, entitled [http://www.spindizzynews.org @Action News], which has been running for several years.

== [[Wizard]]s ==

* [[Austin]] - Managing Editor
* [[Findra]] - server admin
* [[Morticon]] - RP/Programming/GeneralHelp/PlayerCreation/Blding
* [[Ping]] - Cookie management. No, really!
* [[Skyler]] - Helpstaff lead

== [[Helpstaff]] ==

* Argon - @Action News and the SpinDizzy web site.
* [[Aushae]] - Everything but [[MUF]]-coding...
* [[Beltrami]]
* [[Gilead]] - Newbie help, homes, [[zombies]], vehicles, some MPI.
* [[Mouser]] - Reminding smaller animals of the food chain.
* [[Nimble]]
* [[Pypreru]] - [[MUF]] & [[MPI]] & Building & Bananas!

== External links ==
* [http://www.spindizzy.org SpinDizzy Muck's Web Site]

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/muck/spindizzy.html Rhal's Furry MU*s Page: SpinDizzy]

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[[Category:1999 births]]

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-05-03T17:12:55Z

Findra: /* Removal of real name? */

Talk:Mozdoc

2007-05-02T04:42:02Z

Findra:

The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. Argon Hamilton

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)