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YouTube Furry War

2010-04-23T05:45:32Z

Elementemblem:

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The '''YouTube Furry War''' is a term used to refer to a sharp increase of [[anti-furry]] [[troll|trolling]] against furries inside or outside of the [[furry fandom]], which began around summer 2007 and is still ongoing. The furry war is notable for the mass hacking of numerous [[YouTube]] furry accounts and the amount of awareness to the furry fandom in response to the war.

==Overview==

[[Image:SokiTwoPaw.png|thumb|[[Soki Twopaw]] in his widely mocked video, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeulluj6DxY ''Ultimatum Declaratum''].

From popular opinion, this was suggested to be the catalyst for the YouTube Furry War.]]
Although many theories still circulate as to how the Furry War had begun, it is widely rumored however to have been started by [[Soki Twopaw]] who, fed up with the outweighing number of negative and defamatory comments on his videos, promoted the idea of a furry uprising against trolls.

This eventually turned into ''Ultimatum Declaratum'', a video created by Soki to express his disdain and solution about the trolls. Initially, many furries were in favor of the rebellion.

However, this also drew the attention of many trolls who all immediately lampooned such an idea. As a result, many anti-fur YouTube users (not all were necessarily trolls) started to massively spam furry-related videos whether their authors were involved in the conflict or not.

=== FCTC ===

This continued for a number of months, until a group calling themselves the FCTC (or the Fried Chicken Trolling Crew) appeared soon after the start of the war with the specific purpose of posting inflammatory comments and hacking furry-related YouTube accounts.

The most notable of these was in late 2007, where a failed [[wikipedia:phishing|phishing]] attempt was circulated through e-mails and falsified YouTube pages - this was soon halted after allegedly being reported by [[Wolfee Darkfang]]; no perpetrators have been caught.

=== Fall 2007 ===

Between the summer and winter periods of 2007, the war mostly grew into an exchange of videos and comments between various furries and the FCTC with some major events breaking the monotony such as the hacking and vandalism of several YouTube pages, [[MySpace]] accounts, and website of [[Silentwulf]] and a furry invasion of [[7chan]] on September 2nd.
Administrators on the Silentwulf site were able to lock-down the site, and track down those responsible. Little information exists on what transpired.

A video series, titled ''YouTube Furry War'', was started by [[Alexander Grey]] to specifically counter comments left by trolls in a calm and logical manner; by means to contrast to the usually angry and loathing videos left by enraged furs. The series ran for only a few months, to be succeeded by ''[[Alexander Grey#As the Furry Guru|Furry Guru]]''.

=== The end ===

Towards the end of 2007 the war had largely died down for reasons unknown. Other troll accounts had been suspended or deleted by this time. Although many state that the furry war had ended around late December 2007, the war still continues to persist (albeit at a relatively small level).

== 2010 ==

Phishing attempts are starting again because the N*F*M* or New Furry Movement has given a reaction to trolls to try to fight back.

== See also==

* [[YouTube]]
* [[Trolls]]
* [[Anti-furry]]
* [[4chan]]
* [[7chan]]

[[Category:2007 events]]

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-28T23:58:59Z

Elementemblem:

Although we welcome good faith efforts to improve Wikifur, removing others' comments from talk pages, as you did with [[Talk:YouTube Furry War]] is frowned upon except in clear cases of vandalism. If there is any doubt whether a comment is vandalism or trolling, it is best left to the more experienced admins to decide how to handle. And blanking content in a proposed Wikifur policy page as you did with [[WikiFur:Accuracy dispute]] is not acceptable. Further actions of this sort are likely to result in your account being blocked. -[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I didnt do anything but repaste the article JammingTheFates took off and talk to him on the talk page i didnt even know until now that someone got rid of it. im not like that to delete someones comments but ill look at it and see what happened

I just looked at it and everything seems like it was before so someone deleted some comments? I have nothing to do with it i dont troll im against trolling and i just came here to talk on that article discussion and nothing else. I will forgive you for accidentally thinking i did it, things happen.

::You do a rather shoddy job at attempting deceiving the admins and myself for your inability to accept responsibility for your recklessness. If you looked harder at the Talk Page of the YouTube Furry War's History section, you will see that someone on September 20th, 2009 (which was yesterday) by the name of '''Elementemblem''' attempted to ''contribute'' to the site by blanking what may have seemed to be unfavorable comments pertaining to your (questionable) Furry War II addition. Clicking on that user leads me back to your name, which also lead me back to the same Talk page in which I am currently writing back my response to you. As far as I am not happy right now, I am tempted to believe that you are intentionally testing my patience as if this is some sort of game, or if you get some sort of risible reaction from all of this (in which you may be a troll and should be dealt with before more articles are tampered). I will leave the Furry War II section of the YouTube Furry War article '''as is''' (with the dispute tag attached to it, until somebody can get back to me about this), but if you or any one of your "anti-troll" posse attempt to blank me, other contributors, or rules out that look displeasing on your end, I will contact the administrators respectively to ask for a swift response to squander your "White Knight" agenda.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 09:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I did change it last but only for a comment and what is your problem? Leave us alone for the sake of us all cause im just trying to help but then you come along to ruin it all. You are the very thing i stand against. People who abuse the internet and try to do such lying and enjoy making people upset so just back off and everything will be good you system abuser.

::Ha. ''System abuser''. Don't come crying to me when the trolls will inevitably start a mass d0x campaign and acquire your location.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

you are abusing the system! you just think only what you think is right and think you are so special only you can make articles and abuse the system just for your own gain! you selfish pig, you should rot in hell for your carelessness

::I hate it when people refer to themselves. It gets in the way of my reflections about them.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Jamming, we need to make peace cause i looked on the D2FC group and i saw one of them say they all might make accounts on wikifur and ruin articles you gotta believe me ill put up the link on here and look through their talk
http://www.youtube.com/group/Deth2FurfagsCoalitio

:: Does it look like I even care? The articles will be restored anyways to their former selves, so stop wasting my time with your nonsubtle propagandist nonsense.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 03:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Jesus you are unbelievable and im not trying to feed propaganda you unthinking bastard

:: Resorting to mental-related insults reflects on your part that same old hypocrisy every anti-troll shares: ''You're a troll unless you join and believe with the upmost confidence that what I am doing will work. Until then, everything you say is invalid.''
::I can keep up with your grievances and greatly hinder any kind of progress you have made thus far (which is very much '''zilch''').--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 01:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Believe what you may but i am doing a good thing hereso you can stay out of this

hey there this is Elementemblem i just looked on the D2FC and they said they might make many accounts on wikifur "for the lulz" please you have to do something! here i'll send you the link
http://www.youtube.com/group/Deth2FurfagsCoalitio
im here to warn you cause i dont want them to ruin wikifur

:Thanks for the alert and for your concern. We've had a number of these types of attacks in the past and haven't had much difficulty fending them off and repairing the damage. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-26T00:59:26Z

Elementemblem:

Although we welcome good faith efforts to improve Wikifur, removing others' comments from talk pages, as you did with [[Talk:YouTube Furry War]] is frowned upon except in clear cases of vandalism. If there is any doubt whether a comment is vandalism or trolling, it is best left to the more experienced admins to decide how to handle. And blanking content in a proposed Wikifur policy page as you did with [[WikiFur:Accuracy dispute]] is not acceptable. Further actions of this sort are likely to result in your account being blocked. -[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I didnt do anything but repaste the article JammingTheFates took off and talk to him on the talk page i didnt even know until now that someone got rid of it. im not like that to delete someones comments but ill look at it and see what happened

I just looked at it and everything seems like it was before so someone deleted some comments? I have nothing to do with it i dont troll im against trolling and i just came here to talk on that article discussion and nothing else. I will forgive you for accidentally thinking i did it, things happen.

::You do a rather shoddy job at attempting deceiving the admins and myself for your inability to accept responsibility for your recklessness. If you looked harder at the Talk Page of the YouTube Furry War's History section, you will see that someone on September 20th, 2009 (which was yesterday) by the name of '''Elementemblem''' attempted to ''contribute'' to the site by blanking what may have seemed to be unfavorable comments pertaining to your (questionable) Furry War II addition. Clicking on that user leads me back to your name, which also lead me back to the same Talk page in which I am currently writing back my response to you. As far as I am not happy right now, I am tempted to believe that you are intentionally testing my patience as if this is some sort of game, or if you get some sort of risible reaction from all of this (in which you may be a troll and should be dealt with before more articles are tampered). I will leave the Furry War II section of the YouTube Furry War article '''as is''' (with the dispute tag attached to it, until somebody can get back to me about this), but if you or any one of your "anti-troll" posse attempt to blank me, other contributors, or rules out that look displeasing on your end, I will contact the administrators respectively to ask for a swift response to squander your "White Knight" agenda.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 09:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I did change it last but only for a comment and what is your problem? Leave us alone for the sake of us all cause im just trying to help but then you come along to ruin it all. You are the very thing i stand against. People who abuse the internet and try to do such lying and enjoy making people upset so just back off and everything will be good you system abuser.

::Ha. ''System abuser''. Don't come crying to me when the trolls will inevitably start a mass d0x campaign and acquire your location.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

you are abusing the system! you just think only what you think is right and think you are so special only you can make articles and abuse the system just for your own gain! you selfish pig, you should rot in hell for your carelessness

::I hate it when people refer to themselves. It gets in the way of my reflections about them.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Jamming, we need to make peace cause i looked on the D2FC group and i saw one of them say they all might make accounts on wikifur and ruin articles you gotta believe me ill put up the link on here and look through their talk
http://www.youtube.com/group/Deth2FurfagsCoalitio

:: Does it look like I even care? The articles will be restored anyways to their former selves, so stop wasting my time with your nonsubtle propagandist nonsense.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 03:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Jesus you are unbelievable and im not trying to feed propaganda you unthinking bastard

hey there this is Elementemblem i just looked on the D2FC and they said they might make many accounts on wikifur "for the lulz" please you have to do something! here i'll send you the link
http://www.youtube.com/group/Deth2FurfagsCoalitio
im here to warn you cause i dont want them to ruin wikifur

:Thanks for the alert and for your concern. We've had a number of these types of attacks in the past and haven't had much difficulty fending them off and repairing the damage. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-25T00:49:04Z

Elementemblem:

User talk:Mwalimu

2009-09-25T00:45:50Z

Elementemblem: /* Suspicious new account activity */

* '''[[User talk:Mwalimu/Archive1|Archive: August 2005 - June 2006]]'''
* '''[[User talk:Mwalimu/Archive2|Archive: July 2006 - April 2009]]'''

== ... ==

Someone keeps editing my pages and messing them up.

I contributed for a reason. {{UnsignedIP|71.52.12.65}}

:If you are referring to [[Eka]], [[Eka's Chat]], and other related articles, I just reviewed the edit histories of them and didn't see any obvious vandalism. Some of the edits by [[Special:Contributions/24.87.24.7|User:24.87.24.7]] looked a little questionable but not obviously wrong. Please understand that all of the articles in the main article space are effectively "public property" as far as who can edit them; no one "owns" any of the articles on WikiFur. Obviously we don't encourage vandalism, false information, etc., but as long as the edits are in good faith, are accurate, and in compliance with our site's policies, we encourage anyone to edit articles to make improvements. Also, you should not remove a merge template simply because you disagree with it. If you don't think the article should be merged, please state your reasons in the article's talk page. The template itself does not represent a final decision; it's more like a request to other editors and administrators for consensus. Finally, if you plan to continue editing regularly, you are encouraged to register and log in. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Suspicious new account activity ==

There have been several recent new user accounts with names that look fishy to me, and I'd suggest being on our guard that their originator may be setting up to spam the site or launch a bot attack. Do you have the ability to run an IP trace on their origins? Do you think it would be overreacting to preemptively block them?

The accounts in question: ...

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:Several people have mentioned this now. I'll check it out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::Sounds good. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Multiple registrations and proxies. Block'd. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:Thank you Mwalimu. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 19:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

hey there this is Elementemblem i just looked on the D2FC and they said they might make many accounts on wikifur "for the lulz" please you have to do something! here i'll send you the link
http://www.youtube.com/group/Deth2FurfagsCoalitio
im here to warn you cause i dont want them to ruin wikifur

== Help with editing ==

Good day. I think I do need some help actually.

I tried editing the MILfurs article so that I could insert my own name into the "Military roster" section of the article. However when I followed the way it was done with the users already in there, it added me, but it put my name inside a huge box. And now the list is in the external links section.

I do appreciate any help.
[[User:Kanic|Kanic]] 17:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

:Fixed. The table needed a right brace instead of a dash after the final row to close it out. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== User registration IP lookup ==

How does someone with regular admin privs like me look up the IP address that a new user registered from? Or is that a capability that is only available to "super-admins" and wikia support? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:On Wikia, the [[metawikipedia:Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] privilege is reserved to staff. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== remove article ==

Hi!
I'd like to remove [[Caiwan]] article from th site, because it's no longer desired.
--[[Special:Contributions/78.92.219.234|78.92.219.234]] 13:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== remove article ==
After the recent vandalism of the wiki article that some one created about myself, I would like it if the article [[RedFox Nightfox]] would be removed. I don't even know why it was created in the first place.

[[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 04:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

:Okay, done. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 05:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

== Need help with my page ==

I'm trying to add another heading on my page with some more information, but when I add it, it removes another heading and the external links. How do I keep everything I have now and add new info? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Crusader Cat|Crusader Cat]] ([[User talk:Crusader Cat|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crusader Cat|contribs]]) .
:You were doing it wrong. It's <nowiki></ref></nowiki>, not <nowiki><ref/></nowiki>. Your references were never finishing. I've fixed it up with the new section. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Request for Review ==
As it's impossible to leave Spirou a message on his Talk page, and requests for review are being ignored on the article's talk pages, I'll once again point out the [[Forum:Popping_%28Under_revision%29 | draft page]] is now ready for review. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-24T00:44:30Z

Elementemblem:

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-22T03:57:38Z

Elementemblem:

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-20T21:51:01Z

Elementemblem:

User talk:Elementemblem

2009-09-20T21:46:33Z

Elementemblem:

WikiFur talk:Accuracy dispute

2009-09-20T18:47:57Z

Elementemblem: /* Reviving Discussion */

I've made a few notes on this page ''in red'' to show some thoughts I have. I've also formatted the page based on the layout of [[WikiFur:Speedy deletion]] since it helps break up the page. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:29, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Reviving Discussion==
Wow. This has sat here for quite a while without discussion or change. I think some of the questions posed here now are:
*Is this policy necessary?
*Do we need to create WikiFur versions of Wikipedia policy articles such as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cite_your_sources]], or are their policies similar enough to ours that we can just point to them?

As for the final question on the page, I don't think we need to cite Wikipedia on policy pages unlpess doing so is required by the GFDL.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 14:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:We really can't use Wikipedia's policies for WikiFur as its another case where they are too strict for the content WikiFur provides. Taking in account a lot of it is based on fictional or fantasy pieces of work, having a source to cite isn't always possible (in particular when detailing about groups that no longer exist, websites go offline and hosted abandoned groups are eventually purged).
:To a certain extent, WikiFur has to lean slightly more on the policy of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|Assume good faith]] (do we have our own simple version of this page somewhere?) and continuing from that, that an article's content is [[Wikipedia:Innocent_until_proven_guilty|Innocent until proven guilty]]. So an article needs to remain until a time where someone else can really confirm it or deny it.
:This however isn't always true though as sometimes the likeliness of existence or 'scope' of something can be deemed incorrect without needing to really prove it either way beyond consensus. I can't link exactly, but I remember an article about a [[:Category:Terms|Term]] that suggested that the phrase was widely used by the fandom. No other contributor or administrator beyond the original author however had heard of it before so this was deemed unlikely and the article was reworded to just 'some people'. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 15:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::We don't have verifiability policies unless particularly challeneged by someone to prove that something is true or not (in which case they often get more than they bargain for). We do not require people to cite their sources, though they are welcome to do so if they wish. Although this has come up a few times we don't really ''have'' a firm policy on it as yet - it's been decided on a case by case basis. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 23:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

We are trying to help furries by getting rid of trolls the only way possible is it so bad? do you enjoy getting trolled? no one does this article is for helpful information to a place that is abundant with furries and i intend to take this further cause i am sick of people who hate and criticize! (elementemblem)

==Whatabout 'citations' by source of info, not just publication?==
It seems to me that, as others have said, verifiability in Wikipedia's sense is unworkable here as an overall requirement. And unless I've underestimated the number of coherent contributors, I have serious doubts about consensus forming being a sufficient mechanism here even if that's what we'd like to see. GR's case-by-case sounds to me like it essentially means the entire burden of verifiability rests on his, and perhaps a few other administrators', shoulders. I don't think that's necessarily a doomed approach, but I think it has issues, not the least of which are the several reasons it might be undesirable to have wikifur be, or appear to be, essentially something that a pawfull of people vouch for. I wouldn't want to be Green, et al, in this case.

Perhaps, rather than a strict requirement of citation of things published, an explicit categorization that shows how the information is obtained, whether it is 1) verifiable from reliable published sources, 2) something the author personally claims to have direct experience of, 3) something the author asserts is authorotative because it derives from a consensus of specifically identified contributors... ? This does at least superficially answer the natural question "Sez who?" It also shields GR and others from anybody claiming they've taken autocratic control of content, except if they do so. --[[User:Furthling|Furthling]] 03:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

:I tried to flesh out the above a little.:

:I think wikifur would benefit from some kind of systematic way of categorizing content for HOW it was verified, both internal and external, that recognizes all three of the following:

:1. Whether there are reliable publications (peer reviwed, widely regarded, or known to be subject to careful, credible editorial control) that back up some assertion. (The wikipedia standard.)

:2. Whether the subject, the subject's owner/creator, or any witness to the *entire* event or phenomenon, agrees with the assertion. (The witness stanard.)

:3. whether there is a "consensus" among "authorities:" (the "qualified consensus" standard.)
::a) Consensus is more strictly defined as an agreement among at least 2 people expressing a view OR 67% of all persons who have expressed a view, WHICHEVER is GREATER.
::b) authorities are ONLY those persons who are regular, good-faith contributors to wikifur, and or people with a user page that identifies them as an authority on the topic in question, narrowly construed. (The significance of regular contributors as authorities rests in their capacity for checking things by inference and against broad knowledge, combined with a higher expectation of good faith. This is contrary to any assumption of good faith policy.)

:These three criteria, taken together, IMO present a formalized alternative to Wikipedia's reliance (solely) on equal presentation of all views published by sufficiently popular sources, suitable to Wikifur.

:IN PRACTICE
:Forms of verification would refer either to the published source, the name of the asserting author or witness, and/or the names of the authorities who've agreed upon it.

:Where NONE of these these criteria are met, the assertion would merit either tagging with "no verification," or removal, at editors discretion (with the understanding that there would be a LONG adjustment process for wikifur where it would be inappropriate to remove information before a lot of new attention was brought to it.)

:Where ONLY ONE of these criteria are met AND IF it is reasonable to suppose that there could be verification in one of the other two categories, tagging with "Citation Needed," "Witness Needed," or "Consensus Needed."

:This standard would include assertions even where one of or more of the forms of verification contradicts it. Instead of contradictory verification leading to the exclusion of an assertion (assuming the assertion has at least one form of verification), the contradicted assertion should be tagged for needing the kind of verification in question, AND a seperate statement made with its supporting verification. This might lead to more stated points of view, but effectively increases the readily available salient information since it identifies the differing sources:

:EXAMPLE 1
:"Furthling is regarded [1] as an advanced wikifur user.{consensus needed} This is strongly disputed. [2]"

:[1] Witness: Furthling
:[2] Consensus: GreenReaper, SpazKitty, Sine.

:EXAMPLE 2
:"Court records [1] reflect Furthling got a parking ticket on the 4th of July 2007 for parking illegally. {witness needed}{consensus needed} The Dayton Ironclaw Group[2], who are familiar with Furthling, asserts that he has never driven a car and always sleeps through the 4th of July holiday. {witness needed}{citation needed} Furthling [3] claims he drove and parked his car on the 4th of July 2007 but did not recieve a parking ticket. {citation needed}{consensus needed}."

:[1] Citation: Franklin County Bureau of Motor Vehicles Website
:[2] Consensus: Kwon, Whotshoppord, Ocefox.
:[3] Witness: Furthling
--[[User:Furthling|Furthling]] 20:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiFur:Accuracy dispute

2009-09-20T18:43:18Z

Elementemblem: /* Inaccurate pages without an a warning */

WikiFur:Accuracy dispute

2009-09-20T18:42:56Z

Elementemblem: /* Pages with an accuracy warning */

{{Proposed}}

If an article links to this page, it is because someone is concerned that the article may be '''significantly inaccurate'''. Such articles have the following warning at the top: "'''The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.'''".

== Inaccurate pages without an a warning ==
If you come across an '''article whose content seems or is inaccurate''', please do the following:
* Correct it right away if you can. Please take the time to properly [[wikipedia:wikipedia:verifiability|verify]] it. Please also add to the article any sources you used to verify the information in it: see [[wikipedia:wikipedia:cite your sources|cite your sources]].
* If the neutrality of the content is in question, please look at [[WikiFur:NPOV dispute]].

* If only a few statements seem inaccurate:
** insert '''<nowiki>{{dubious}}</nowiki>''' after the relevant sentence or paragraph. ''
** insert a "Disputed" section in the talk page to describe the problem.

* If there are more than five dubious statements, or if a dispute arises:
** insert a "Disputed" section in the talk page to describe the problem. This will help focus contributions from others.
** paste '''<nowiki>{{disputed}}</nowiki>''' in the beginning of the article to add a general warning. Check [[WikiFur:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] for ways to resolve it.
** if you find that the article remains unnoticed, you can draw more attention to it by listing it on [[WikiFur:Pages needing attention]]. ''Needs to be created along with more developed Community Portal''
** once you've found the correct information, edit the page to correct it, remove the warnings, and put something like the following in your [[wikipedia:wikipedia:edit summary|edit summary]]:
:: '''Verified article -- removed accuracy dispute'''

When you add an accuracy warning, you are invited to also '''help resolve accuracy disputes''' by checking the
* [http://furry.wikicities.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%22The+factual+accuracy+of+this+article+is+disputed%22&fulltext=Search&limit=100 recent list of disputed articles] (or the [[Special:Whatlinkshere/WikiFur:Accuracy_dispute|latest (noisy) list]] and related [[:Category:Accuracy disputes|Accuracy disputes]]). ''Could do with rewording.''

{{Wikipedia|Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute}} ''Do we need this for policy pages? We've taken from it yes but its not an article.''
----
''Comments by [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:27, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)''

WikiFur:Accuracy dispute

2009-09-20T18:42:40Z

Elementemblem: /* Causes of Concern */

{{Proposed}}

If an article links to this page, it is because someone is concerned that the article may be '''significantly inaccurate'''. Such articles have the following warning at the top: "'''The factual accuracy of this article is disputed.'''".

== Pages with an accuracy warning ==
If you come across an '''article with an accuracy warning''', please do the following:
* Don't remove the warning simply because the material ''looks'' reasonable: please take the time to properly [[wikipedia:wikipedia:verifiability|verify]] it. ''Again, we need a customised version of this page.''
* Visit the talk page to see what the issues are.
* Correct it right away if you can. Please take the time to properly [[wikipedia:wikipedia:verifiability|verify]] it. Please also add to the article any sources you used to verify the information in it: see [[wikipedia:wikipedia:cite your sources|cite your sources]]. ''Citing page also needs writing, when do we and don't we need sources? Most pages currently don't have any or they lack an exact source.''
* Once you've found the correct information, edit the page to correct it, remove the warnings, and put something like the following in your [[wikipedia:wikipedia:edit summary|edit summary]]:
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Talk:YouTube Furry War

2009-09-20T18:41:29Z

Elementemblem:

Okay, this page is full of errors. "The Furry War" is definitely still going between a bunch of furries and persistent trolls. I'm also pretty sure that the channers' campaign against Scientology didn't begin until early 2008.

I'd change it myself, but I don't know much about this sort of thing. All I know is that the trolls are claiming to have evidence of Wolfeedarkfang being a zoophile or something.

By the way, isn't FCTC/"Foocy Toocy" an anime show? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.34.97|210.246.34.97]] 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

: The situation with Wolfeedarkfang is an independent flamewar that came two months after everything settled down. It has nothing to do what happened back in late 2007. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9|FoxyMicFox9]] 23:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

How could the trolls retreat from "the war" in 2007 to participate in a campaign that hadn't started yet? It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped.

Whether it did or not, I think it should be documented on Wikifur. It's definitely some noteworthy stuff going on. Perhaps it should be called "YouTube Furry War 2: Electric Boogaloo"? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.128|210.246.49.128]] 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:: It died down to the point where everything was *kind of* peaceful. And of course there are still going to be some tensions from the people who stayed behind. But those where little week flamewars. It would start on a Monday and end on a Sunday.

::"''It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped."

:: No, it’s not the same war. This article is about the YouTube Furry War; not the Wolfeedarkfang flamewar. You want to put them in the same pot. Lets please keep the article relevant. I know you like Wolfeedarkfang, but this article is not about him or the situation with him at YT. I'm sorry. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 22:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How about a new article, then? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.254|210.246.49.254]] 09:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

:: About what? The situation with Wolfeedarkfang? --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 20:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely notable. Many trolls and furries were involved. It was these groups' main focus on YouTube for a period of time. Wolfee and associates created at least one (possibly two or more) "FurryOps" secret forums in which Wolfee, Tamias and their flamewar gang planned to send pizza deliveries to trolls' doorsteps and put child pornography on their computers, among other things. I'm pretty sure one of the trolls even faked his own death. If it doesn't belong here, it should have its own article. Also I'm removing the part about the end of the war until the dates can be verified. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.240|210.246.49.240]] 05:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:: The YouTube Furry War and Wolfeedarkfang's flame war is not the same "war." This is how it started: Around February or so a troll was conversing with a furry about zoophilia(I think might have been the subject), and the furry came out that they were a zoophile. The troll made a screenshot of the comment and made a YouTube video. Two other trolls picked up on it, if I remember right, and made a vids of their own. Wolfeedarkfang made a Youtube bulletin asking to flag the three users so YT would ban them. That really was the igniter of the flame war you see today. The trolls say they were suspicious to why he would defend a zoophile. Trolls say they Googled Wolfeedarkfang and found an account on a bestiality website by the name of Wolfeedarkfang, registered in 2005. Wolfee says it's a troll account, and that the trolls time hacked the webite to frame him. It had a snowball effect that lasted for I don't know how long. As you see, this has nothing to do with what happened back in late 2007. You have to remeber it's a flame war about wolfeedarkfang; not about furries. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:: BTW."removing section, dates cannot be verified" And you can not verify that the same war is still going on. This article shouldn't even be here imo. It's a documentation of drama that happened over a year ago. I guess we got to compete with Encyclopedia Dramatica. *rolls eyes* --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey this is elementemblem412 from the article. me and MrD are really stoked someone took notice to our work and we are hoping we can get rid of those freedom hating trolls and we are taking a big hit to defend your rights as people to be who they wanna be my link is
http://www.youtube.com/user/elementemblem412
you can talk to me further on there and here is MrD's link
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrDisambiguation

== Merge? ==

Speaking of Encyclopaedia Dramatica, they have an entirely different take on "the war" and consider the Wolfee situation to be part of it. However I am highly reluctant to use Encyclopaedia Dramatica for research as I do not trust them when it comes to furry matters (or any matters) and the article is edited by trolls. If you are a user of Encyclopaedia Dramatica then you can discuss it there.

I'm still pretty sure that the war didn't end beacuse of the Scientology campaign, that didn't start until 2008. I'm removing that part, but I'll leave the rest in.

I agree with you about this article, it should be merged into the main YouTube article and a section should be added about the Wolfee situation. By the way, I checked the archive of one of Wolfee's secret vigilante forums (at furryops.patrioticnigras.org), and I was wrong about their tactics. No forum users ever mentioned pizza deliveries. The idea for planting child porn was Furgryphon/Kathera Lockhart's. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.122|210.246.49.122]] 23:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:YouTube Furry War

2009-09-19T01:28:12Z

Elementemblem:

Okay, this page is full of errors. "The Furry War" is definitely still going between a bunch of furries and persistent trolls. I'm also pretty sure that the channers' campaign against Scientology didn't begin until early 2008.

I'd change it myself, but I don't know much about this sort of thing. All I know is that the trolls are claiming to have evidence of Wolfeedarkfang being a zoophile or something.

By the way, isn't FCTC/"Foocy Toocy" an anime show? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.34.97|210.246.34.97]] 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

: The situation with Wolfeedarkfang is an independent flamewar that came two months after everything settled down. It has nothing to do what happened back in late 2007. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9|FoxyMicFox9]] 23:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

How could the trolls retreat from "the war" in 2007 to participate in a campaign that hadn't started yet? It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped.

Whether it did or not, I think it should be documented on Wikifur. It's definitely some noteworthy stuff going on. Perhaps it should be called "YouTube Furry War 2: Electric Boogaloo"? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.128|210.246.49.128]] 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:: It died down to the point where everything was *kind of* peaceful. And of course there are still going to be some tensions from the people who stayed behind. But those where little week flamewars. It would start on a Monday and end on a Sunday.

::"''It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped."

:: No, it’s not the same war. This article is about the YouTube Furry War; not the Wolfeedarkfang flamewar. You want to put them in the same pot. Lets please keep the article relevant. I know you like Wolfeedarkfang, but this article is not about him or the situation with him at YT. I'm sorry. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 22:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How about a new article, then? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.254|210.246.49.254]] 09:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

:: About what? The situation with Wolfeedarkfang? --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 20:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely notable. Many trolls and furries were involved. It was these groups' main focus on YouTube for a period of time. Wolfee and associates created at least one (possibly two or more) "FurryOps" secret forums in which Wolfee, Tamias and their flamewar gang planned to send pizza deliveries to trolls' doorsteps and put child pornography on their computers, among other things. I'm pretty sure one of the trolls even faked his own death. If it doesn't belong here, it should have its own article. Also I'm removing the part about the end of the war until the dates can be verified. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.240|210.246.49.240]] 05:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:: The YouTube Furry War and Wolfeedarkfang's flame war is not the same "war." This is how it started: Around February or so a troll was conversing with a furry about zoophilia(I think might have been the subject), and the furry came out that they were a zoophile. The troll made a screenshot of the comment and made a YouTube video. Two other trolls picked up on it, if I remember right, and made a vids of their own. Wolfeedarkfang made a Youtube bulletin asking to flag the three users so YT would ban them. That really was the igniter of the flame war you see today. The trolls say they were suspicious to why he would defend a zoophile. Trolls say they Googled Wolfeedarkfang and found an account on a bestiality website by the name of Wolfeedarkfang, registered in 2005. Wolfee says it's a troll account, and that the trolls time hacked the webite to frame him. It had a snowball effect that lasted for I don't know how long. As you see, this has nothing to do with what happened back in late 2007. You have to remeber it's a flame war about wolfeedarkfang; not about furries. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:: BTW."removing section, dates cannot be verified" And you can not verify that the same war is still going on. This article shouldn't even be here imo. It's a documentation of drama that happened over a year ago. I guess we got to compete with Encyclopedia Dramatica. *rolls eyes* --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

<s>I am now contesting the current information pertaining to this topic.</s>--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I had a feeling that the recent edit would pertain to the quote, unquote Furry War II. As I requested before (see above), I wished to debate with the contributors about this article. More specifically, the recent drama and about this latest ''spark'' that supposedly started a new war on YouTube. My debacle is quite simple: '''How is this memorandum from two furries, who complain about the trolls and seek to take matters into their own hands, anything related to news or even attention-worthy of creating a new section on the YouTube Furry War article at all?''' I have observed both sides of the battlefield for quite a long time now, and some of the information placed in this article is nothing even close towards what is really going on. Also, '''someone please tell me how there is all of a sudden a second Furry War?'''--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 00:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey this is elementemblem412 from the article. me and MrD are really stoked someone took notice to our work and we are hoping we can get rid of those freedom hating trolls and we are taking a big hit to defend your rights as people to be who they wanna be my link is
http://www.youtube.com/user/elementemblem412
you can talk to me further on there and here is MrD's link
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrDisambiguation

:: '''Freedom hating trolls'''? No wonder why this article has sunk to its lowest: There's a bunch of butthurt furries out there that still take trolls '''that''' much seriously. Congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing and for propagating the YouTube Furry War article for your own selfish needs.--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 01:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

You dont know what we are doing its between us and we are doing a good deed here in defending furry rights so dont get the wrong idea. and i just took notice to what someone said about our work on here and if you read im just a supporter i dont want to start an argument on here unless you are a troll.

== Merge? ==

Speaking of Encyclopaedia Dramatica, they have an entirely different take on "the war" and consider the Wolfee situation to be part of it. However I am highly reluctant to use Encyclopaedia Dramatica for research as I do not trust them when it comes to furry matters (or any matters) and the article is edited by trolls. If you are a user of Encyclopaedia Dramatica then you can discuss it there.

I'm still pretty sure that the war didn't end beacuse of the Scientology campaign, that didn't start until 2008. I'm removing that part, but I'll leave the rest in.

I agree with you about this article, it should be merged into the main YouTube article and a section should be added about the Wolfee situation. By the way, I checked the archive of one of Wolfee's secret vigilante forums (at furryops.patrioticnigras.org), and I was wrong about their tactics. No forum users ever mentioned pizza deliveries. The idea for planting child porn was Furgryphon/Kathera Lockhart's. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.122|210.246.49.122]] 23:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:YouTube Furry War

2009-09-19T01:20:05Z

Elementemblem:

Okay, this page is full of errors. "The Furry War" is definitely still going between a bunch of furries and persistent trolls. I'm also pretty sure that the channers' campaign against Scientology didn't begin until early 2008.

I'd change it myself, but I don't know much about this sort of thing. All I know is that the trolls are claiming to have evidence of Wolfeedarkfang being a zoophile or something.

By the way, isn't FCTC/"Foocy Toocy" an anime show? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.34.97|210.246.34.97]] 10:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

: The situation with Wolfeedarkfang is an independent flamewar that came two months after everything settled down. It has nothing to do what happened back in late 2007. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9|FoxyMicFox9]] 23:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

How could the trolls retreat from "the war" in 2007 to participate in a campaign that hadn't started yet? It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped.

Whether it did or not, I think it should be documented on Wikifur. It's definitely some noteworthy stuff going on. Perhaps it should be called "YouTube Furry War 2: Electric Boogaloo"? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.128|210.246.49.128]] 02:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:: It died down to the point where everything was *kind of* peaceful. And of course there are still going to be some tensions from the people who stayed behind. But those where little week flamewars. It would start on a Monday and end on a Sunday.

::"''It's definitely the same war, same furries making videos, same group of trolls attacking them. I don't think it ever stopped."

:: No, it’s not the same war. This article is about the YouTube Furry War; not the Wolfeedarkfang flamewar. You want to put them in the same pot. Lets please keep the article relevant. I know you like Wolfeedarkfang, but this article is not about him or the situation with him at YT. I'm sorry. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 22:23, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

How about a new article, then? [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.254|210.246.49.254]] 09:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

:: About what? The situation with Wolfeedarkfang? --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 20:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It's definitely notable. Many trolls and furries were involved. It was these groups' main focus on YouTube for a period of time. Wolfee and associates created at least one (possibly two or more) "FurryOps" secret forums in which Wolfee, Tamias and their flamewar gang planned to send pizza deliveries to trolls' doorsteps and put child pornography on their computers, among other things. I'm pretty sure one of the trolls even faked his own death. If it doesn't belong here, it should have its own article. Also I'm removing the part about the end of the war until the dates can be verified. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.240|210.246.49.240]] 05:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:: The YouTube Furry War and Wolfeedarkfang's flame war is not the same "war." This is how it started: Around February or so a troll was conversing with a furry about zoophilia(I think might have been the subject), and the furry came out that they were a zoophile. The troll made a screenshot of the comment and made a YouTube video. Two other trolls picked up on it, if I remember right, and made a vids of their own. Wolfeedarkfang made a Youtube bulletin asking to flag the three users so YT would ban them. That really was the igniter of the flame war you see today. The trolls say they were suspicious to why he would defend a zoophile. Trolls say they Googled Wolfeedarkfang and found an account on a bestiality website by the name of Wolfeedarkfang, registered in 2005. Wolfee says it's a troll account, and that the trolls time hacked the webite to frame him. It had a snowball effect that lasted for I don't know how long. As you see, this has nothing to do with what happened back in late 2007. You have to remeber it's a flame war about wolfeedarkfang; not about furries. --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:: BTW."removing section, dates cannot be verified" And you can not verify that the same war is still going on. This article shouldn't even be here imo. It's a documentation of drama that happened over a year ago. I guess we got to compete with Encyclopedia Dramatica. *rolls eyes* --[[User:FoxyMicFox9.0|FoxyMicFox9.0]] 05:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

<s>I am now contesting the current information pertaining to this topic.</s>--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 06:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I had a feeling that the recent edit would pertain to the quote, unquote Furry War II. As I requested before (see above), I wished to debate with the contributors about this article. More specifically, the recent drama and about this latest ''spark'' that supposedly started a new war on YouTube. My debacle is quite simple: '''How is this memorandum from two furries, who complain about the trolls and seek to take matters into their own hands, anything related to news or even attention-worthy of creating a new section on the YouTube Furry War article at all?''' I have observed both sides of the battlefield for quite a long time now, and some of the information placed in this article is nothing even close towards what is really going on. Also, '''someone please tell me how there is all of a sudden a second Furry War?'''--[[User:Jammingthefates|Jammingthefates]] 00:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey this is elementemblem412 from the article. me and MrD are really stoked someone took notice to our work and we are hoping we can get rid of those freedom hating trolls and we are taking a big hit to defend your rights as people to be who they wanna be my link is
http://www.youtube.com/user/elementemblem412
you can talk to me further on there.

== Merge? ==

Speaking of Encyclopaedia Dramatica, they have an entirely different take on "the war" and consider the Wolfee situation to be part of it. However I am highly reluctant to use Encyclopaedia Dramatica for research as I do not trust them when it comes to furry matters (or any matters) and the article is edited by trolls. If you are a user of Encyclopaedia Dramatica then you can discuss it there.

I'm still pretty sure that the war didn't end beacuse of the Scientology campaign, that didn't start until 2008. I'm removing that part, but I'll leave the rest in.

I agree with you about this article, it should be merged into the main YouTube article and a section should be added about the Wolfee situation. By the way, I checked the archive of one of Wolfee's secret vigilante forums (at furryops.patrioticnigras.org), and I was wrong about their tactics. No forum users ever mentioned pizza deliveries. The idea for planting child porn was Furgryphon/Kathera Lockhart's. [[Special:Contributions/210.246.49.122|210.246.49.122]] 23:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)