Talk:Encyclopædia Dramatica (.com)

2006-10-16T13:18:45Z

ED is not Furry enough until now: /* Let's back up, and slow down */

Good lord, man. Could you at least try for an NPOV? I'd say the majority of this article needs a rewrite (which I'd work on were I not at work...)--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 16:31, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Admin promotion and the "GreenReaper" section ==

I removed the part about admin promotion, as it was not specific. If you're thinking [[Verix]], he's from SA, not ED - or are you lumping "all people from websites like ED and SA" into the same category, like people lump "all furries" into one? And if you '''are''' aiming at Verix, I think you'll have a hard time denying that [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=Verix&limit=500&offset=0 his contributions] have value.

I'm not an "Encyclopedia Dramatican". I've not been involved with that site until people from it started coming on and I decided to correct the article they made about us. I've not been active on there outside that. Besides, if I was going to contribute to a site like that, I'd go for the [http://uncyclopedia.org/ Uncyclopedia], which is hosted by Wikia. Fortunately, I have better things to do than contribute to either. :-)

Also, do you have a source for that quote? I know I've said something like that (and the sentiment is correct), but I thought I phrased it differently, and I think I was talking about SA, not ED. If you're going to make quotes that make anyone look bad to some people, it's your job to ensure that they're a) verifiable, and b) relevant. '''*grin*'''

Frankly, I think that most of my actions are not particularly relevant to the ED article - they're more general "trying to make sure that people hear about WikiFur, even if some of them are people that are critical of furries". They may, of course, be worth talking about, and I encourage debate about whether or not my decisions are correct, but I don't think this is the best place.

(By the way - when people put a section marked "Criticisms", I instantly think "someone with a point to make". It's a dead ringer for trouble on Wikipedia, and it's just the same here. Having that section alone is probably NPOV - we should not '''state''' criticisms, but ''attribute'' them to others.) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:52, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. So, it's OK to [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&oldid=11006#GreenReaper put] a "These choices he has made are controversial, but nothing can be done about them.", but it's not OK to specify who the people who seem to think it controversial are, and it ''is'' OK to have a whole section on me, even considering the above? :-)

:I don't actually disagree with [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_Dramatica&diff=next&oldid=12379 the removal] of that section of text, but then I don't think that the topic should have been there in the first place. It had nothing to do with ED. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 07:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Rollback ==
Oh, so that's what the Rollback link does. Whoops. Anyway to provide explanation - the laundry list of organizations which were listed here basically recapitulated Category:Anti-furries and were unrelated to the subject of the article.--[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:07, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

i'm not the founder of encyclopedia dramatica. i don't even do anything on that site. you should check your facts. -jameth :)

:Do you have any URLs that you can point us to so that we can update the entry accordingly? Thanks, --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 22:53, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::URLs for what? if you look at the domain registry and the admin information for ED , you could easily find out who runs the thing. and my name isn't on there. :) jameth
:::Oh wow. Mediacrat's arch nemesis comes up again in my life. Awesome. How ya been, Jameth? I remember you from the LJ Drama stuff. Guys, he didn't found ED, that was Sherrod DeGrippo. Jameth was the REASON why Sherrod created ED, but he's the creator of it, not Jameth[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:22, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::hay epal :D -[[User:67.168.99.128|67.168.99.128]] 02:46, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC) (jameth)

=== from [[User talk:Siege]] ===
Wikipedia said that was his real name,and ED was complaining that Wikifur could not get the founders name right. Are you saying that was his real name? -- 15:52, 21 June 2006 [[User:67.23.176.12]]

:The ED was founded on the principle of mocking everyone. It's not that we can't get the guy's name right; it's that there hasn't been an authoritative source who has come to us to get it fixed if we're wrong. Leave a message with [[User talk:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about that, would you? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 03:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== FurAffinity Shutdown ==

Being a security nut in the computer industry, I've heard a remarkably different version of the FurAffinity Shutdown story. From what I've heard, it was brought down due to its head of security not wishing to apply proper security, and someone who knew this suggested it was fair game. This type of manuever is done often by companies wishing to remove a site that is popular (it costs too much to maintain securely) or by employees who wish to point out vulernabilities without going through the proper chain of command (it's unsafe, so fix it.. we will when someone breaks it.. imagine that, someone broke it). Are we absolutely certain that ED intiated the attack, or should that be removed from the article?[[User:Redcard|Redcard]] 23:34, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
*Since I'm a regular countributor at ED, I doubt you people will belive me, but the attack against FurAffinity was not made by a person directly related to ED. Someone attacked FurAffinity and after the attack, that person started the FurAffinity article to brag about its crappy security. (Besides the edits on the FurAffinity article, he only made something like 10 other edits) It's quite common for people who start drama on the Internet to register on ED and write an article about it. That doesn't mean they were related to ED, however. Also, from what I remember, Redcard is right about one thing, FurAffinity had crappy security, since the passwords were all stored in plain text. Under normal circumstances, it's impossible to hack a site and retrieve all passwords like that, because passwords are either encrypted or hashed. Obviously, I'm all for misinformation, but since someone asked about the facts, I might as well tell you what I know. :p (I was online editing ED in the night the article was started) --[[User:213.146.205.145|213.146.205.145]] 16:02, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
**No, they weren't stored in plain text. They were stored using (most likely) a one-way cryptographic hash. The attack consisted of obtaining the entire list of these hashes (though some sort of flaw), then throwing dictionary words through the hash function until the attacker found some matches. Still crappy security, but not in the same category as 'plain text passwords' crappy. --[[User:62.253.96.42|62.253.96.42]] 17:25, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== WTF?! ==

E.D. was founded by "[[Joseph Evers]]"? WTF?!
Wasn't it founded by some [[girlvinyl|ugly whore]] going by the name "[[girlvinyl]]"?
Or is "she" a [[girlvinyl|transvestite guy]], IRL Joseph Evers?
Or wat?

====Links====
*http://girlvinyl.com/ - Site of "girlvinyl".



== editing ==
This article is POV bullshit, I am editing it -- [[User:71.255.235.56]]

:Not much of an edit, and it certainly didn't improve the POV any. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:More importantly, since the user also vandalized [[Talk:Something Awful]], this brings the validity of any other edits they have made into question. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 06:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== NPOV on Criticisms section ==

Actually, I'm not sure if the NPOV template is the best one to use, but anyway...

The second paragraph in the criticisms section accused ED of being "litigious" and using DMCA takedown notices. I think we need to have some evidence of this if we want to keep that section on the page. Citing my own experience here in WikiFur, I know of no legal threats/DMCA notices made against us, the most that's happened to the article is repeated vandalism attempts against it. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

* We should really remove that "What is unfunny" spiel. Merely putting quotations around the first 'unfunny' is enough to call it into question without launching a rant. --Brody
* For someone saying that most admins aren't minors, it used to be so until they de-admined many of their bad admins. Now it's just some. (this is funny, too) [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 20:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Joseph Evers theory ==

Perhaps he is the CrayolaCrime who is (girlvynl) Sherrod Degrippo's husband? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 02:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
*Wrong. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 10:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:Please either provide evidence to support or refute the theory. -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 11:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
**I'm not gonna provide evidence, but Joseph Evers is not married to GV. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 11:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
***Which one on ED is Joseph Evers? Ghettofinger? [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
****Joseph Evers is much too important to admin ED. He just collects ad revenue. [[User:71.112.141.236|71.112.141.236]] 12:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Joseph Evers again ===

Is there any evidence that this guy actually exists? IMHO, this guy was just made up so the guys at ED can laugh at everyone who actually believes them. [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Josephletter.jpg Just look at stuff like this], how can anyone take that seriously? If you're an admin on the english wikipedia, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Talk%3AEncyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&timestamp=20060712182832 have a look here]:
Joseph Evers bought ED from DeGrippo in mid-2005. Why would this be made up?
*Because it is stupid. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] 18:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
(SchmuckyTheCat is an ED admin who should know who owns the site.)

We're just being trolled with this, that's all. They tried it on Wikipedia, they try it here. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:I read that girlvinyl sold it to him because the site made no money and then so Joseph Evers put up banner ads on the site. The site was founded by her, I believe and not Joseph. I think you will need to ask them yourself, though. As for the site, its info says it's registration is private. http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=encyclopediadramatica.com I think it would be easier to figure it out if non-admins on wikipedia could see the hidden edits in the history you mentioned, then it would be easier to know if it was just trolling. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::The ED article on Wikipedia got deleted, that's why the talk page is deleted, too. So sadly, non-admins can't see the edits right now. See also [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Typhon/Chat_log this log], search for his name. Doesn't really sound like they're very serious about them, does it? --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The log basically claims Joseph Evers is a furry, which doesn't sound serious. I vaguely remember their article on wikipedia and I think people debated Joseph Evers. They used to say the same thing about SchmuckyTheCat, who you quoted, that the person's a furry, so maybe they're the same. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Google "Joseph Evers". It says he is president of the GNAA, too. So whatever this means, who knows? [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 05:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:ED says a lot of things. I think all we should be saying is that girlvinyl is the current lead administrator of the site, whether or not she founded it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Naming Names ==
Regarding the recent edits by WolfLupus, is this considered a personal attack on personal attackers? o.O I'm not sure whether this should stay as is, be edited to remove names, or removed completely. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:I originally didn't have names. I just put in vaguely without names. I added them because of this edit http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Dramatica&curid=3443&diff=71139&oldid=71137 to back up with sources. I think it shouldn't have names, but Spirou is happier with them in. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::No, it wasn't the names, it was the deletion of the "Furaffinity," "Greenreaper," "See also," and "External links" sections that prompted the reversal [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooops. That was by accident. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

::::For the record, I prefer having the names removed, but leaving the statement in, as the article currently stands. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Update since other revisions. I hope the stuff I did was good. I tried to go through the article. [[User:WolfLupus|WolfLupus]] 22:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!! ==

Whatever you do, do not go to this horrible site. It is absolutely awful and should not be on the intneret. It is offensive, racist and sexist and uses obscene language every chance possible. This does not even begin to touch on the obscene and gross images displayed on almost every article of the site. DO NOT GO TO THIS SITE IT SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!!!!

:And that would be why we have the NC-17 logo on the article. Readers can decide on their own whether they want to visit the site or not. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==
Am I the only one who noticed all the [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Riboflavin gooks], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Sheneequa niggers], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Quasidan kikes], [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Samsara dotheads], and [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/User:Paco650 spics] they have as admins? And ''these'' are the people making fun of us for being furries. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 18:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for playing "I'm one you guys, really!," Whiteandpround, and here is your parting gift, please refrain from using racist or incendiary comments on the wikifur comment sections. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am a proud white rhino. On WikiFur I noticed everyone is white, so I like this site. [[User:Whiteandproud|Whiteandproud]] 19:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::...And I'm the Queen of England ^-^ As powerful as I am, I still can't determine somebody's skin color by the way somebody types, but I can verily identify a very poor way to try to incite "OMGDrama" on a site. Again, thanks for playing, I will be here all week, don't forget to tip the buffet, and try your waitress =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Furry month ==

ED has decided to make September 07 Furry month with all their front page articles be furry related. See [http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Thizzlehat_Junction_Center#Main_Page_challenge here]. {{unsigned|217.160.109.40}}

== Defamation ==

These people are using my art without my permission and posting inflammatory material about me. I tried editing the nasty article about me but got banned for being a "blanker." I just wonder if I can fight them in any way.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 22:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

:Did you try [[User talk:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|what I suggested last time]]? It probably won't get any of the text off, but their provider should require them to remove the images that belong to you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I do remember them saying they turned down my request because "Duke Otterland is not a real person," but I'm trying again.--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 23:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoever "they" are, they are right, unless you have legally changed your real-life name. The DMCA takedown notice must be named and signed by the copyright holder. It should be sent to the host I mentioned there - I would not recommend sending it directly to ED. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Is it even worth fighting them?--[[User:Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland|Jeremy, the Duke of Otterland]] 00:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::Possibly the best question to ask. You can probably get your images off there, but frankly they're just likely to add new images. The more fuss you make, the more fun they have. They're probably not going to go away, but really, who cares what they think?
:::::I would note that "inflammatory" is not the same as "completely untrue". They are an encyclopedia of drama. They are only paying attention to you in the first place because you are a source of it. Become uninteresting to them, and you will find them less inclined to care about you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

== Encyclopædia Dramatica and Wikifur ==

While I do not intend to change the point-of-view of this article (as (a) I am an ED sysop (b) ED is negative about almost everyone, including furries, and this has resulted in a widespread dislike of ED among the furry community), I would like to draw attention to several inaccuracies in this article.

I would like to point out that Encyclopedia Dramatica does not organise vandalism attacks against WikiFur or indeed any other wiki. While policy was unclear on this in the past, it has recently been codified (see the ED page ED:MIGRANT (I cannot paste the URL, as the spam filter prevents me)). To quote from said page,

* Vandalism: Enyclopedia Dramatica, despite the allegations of Wikipedia, is not a vandalism wiki. While ED does not attempt to regulate the actions of its users outside this website, ED does not organize nor support trolling campaigns. If that's what you're looking for, try 7chan or the GNAA.

* Attack articles: Again, due to untrue allegations by other wikis, you may be under the perception that ED is an attack site. We are not; we are a lulz site. Attacking people is fine so long as there is lulz in it; if there is no lulz, there will shortly be no article. If the target of the article attempts to vandalise or blank it, that creates lulz, so please make sure that the subject knows what you said about them.

While I understand that you would be reticent to accept sources from any site (especially one as notorious as ED) as definitive proof about that site, I would like to point out that ED:MIGRANT is a policy page. Blu Aardvark is an independent person, and as stated above, ED does not attempt to regulate the "extra- curricular activities" of ED users- apart from anything else, such an attempt would be doomed to failure on the internet.

I also have an issue with the statement of there being "little editorial control"- while this may well have been true in the past, ED administrators maintain a high standard of "control" ( I hesitate to use the term "quality", as this is subjective and I doubt that many WikiFur users have a high opinion of ED.)

Thanks, --[[User:Yirimyah|Yirimyah]] 08:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:I can verify some of what this person has stated. I've done my share of poking around the site in the last few months (even registering an account and explicitly identifying myself as a fur) and they do seem to have policies about articles and their content. They have had to deal with vandalism incident of their own, as well, wherein subjects try to blank articles, etc. (sound familliar? :-)
: We should probably fix this article up a little. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 16:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

===Personal details===
No. Flat-out, no. It doesn't add to the article, and is deliberately inflammatory. I find it ironic that you Wikipedos and furfags feel justified in listing my personal details, and yet you would literally throw a tissy fit if I returned the favor, even going to the point of threating mock legal action. I won't go there, but don't make me bust out my sockpuppets. --[[User:72.160.123.9|72.160.123.9]] 23:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you are the person mentioned in the article, personal information may be reverted if asked for. Please refer to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_exclusion, and contact any available Admin to submit such request. General blanking just leads to an automatic article reversal. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::I don't give a shit about the games you play here. The admins of this wiki should not allow that kind of crap to begin with. Also... vandalism? The fuck? I will continue to remove the offensive edit, because there is no excuse for it to be here to begin with. --[[User:72.160.120.252|72.160.120.252]] 10:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The section does not contain personal information. It has an IP address Blu Aardvark used 12.169.174.250 and then a city, which are both ruled at least by placed like LiveJournal not to count as personal information. Then it just gives proof of vandalism ties between Blu Aardvark and elsewhere, also proving he is an administrator of Encyclopedia Dramatica. The only thing that might be related are the links to Blu Aardvark's own websites nextphaze.net and phazecomputing.net where Aardvark choses to give out his personal information there. So I believe I have proved that the section does not have personal information. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say it's alright as long as the person in question is alright with it. Which I personally doubt. --[[User:Robomilk|Tori]] 21:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

::::I say you have proved nothing. I also suggest that you are full of shit.--[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

To Blu Aardvark, I think you should refrain from furry insults since I can tell you obviously took your name from the furry comic [[The_Ant_and_the_Aardvark]]. The article says, "''The Ant and the Aardvark was a series of theatrical cartoons produced at DePatie-Freleng Enterprises from 1969 to 1971, about a'' '''blue aardvark''' ''always trying to catch a red ant named Charlie.''" [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 21:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
:Furfags always want to see furries, don't they? Fact: I chose the name "Aardvark" because I have a transient tic disorder, and in the past, one of my tics was that would occasionally blurt out "Aardvark". I chose the preface "Blu" when signing up for an online game. Aardvark was already taken, and I always hated the idea of appending random numbers, so I appending a second word to the beggining. There was a character limit, so my second word was limited to three characters; I chose "Blu" as fitting nicely and having a ring to it. I assure you that it had nothing to do with some furfag's fanfiction. --[[User:72.160.90.108|72.160.90.108]] 01:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I noticed some furvert threatened me with a ban for "vandalism", ie, removing the aforementioned personal details. As an example, I left an edit in the article to clearly show you what vandalism is, since you fucks don't seem to know the difference. The fact of the matter is, you're entire ED and Wikifur section is rather irrelevant, except to enlarge your e-penis. Some Encyclopedia Dramatica editors, myself included, have vandalized Wikifur. We've also vandalized a handful of other Wikia as well; you aren't special in that regard. But is that in any way relevant to the article? And even if it is, are the personal details really necessary? You and I both know that the only reason they are included is so that you idiots can feel morally superior. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 04:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I think the reason is to encourage you not to do it again by leaving clear evidence tying you to the previous attacks, which you seem interested in removing. Whether or not that is a valid approach is up for debate, but it is perhaps understandable given the circumstances. No community likes those who attempt to disrupt it, and our personal information policy does not cover concealing deliberate acts of vandalism. Indeed, there seems little here that is connected to you, the RL person - just you, the vandal.

:My main question would be whether or not most of it should be covered '''here''', or [[WikiFur:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)|here]]. I'm inclined towards the latter, as it is a project matter, and you are not necessarily a representative of ED.

:You are welcome to try to break out your sockpuppets, but they will not avail you here. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::I honestly don't care if you list it on a project page, but it does not belong here in the article. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 05:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, related: I'm actually more likely just to ignore you furfags. Attempting to re-instate the information is actually more likely to encourage me to vandalize again, in more creative and/or desparate ways. --[[User:72.160.101.152|72.160.101.152]] 07:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

=== Let's back up, and slow down ===
Allow me to clarify my specific concerns with the article. First, it is misrepresentative. The vandalism I performed as [[User:Jewbo Wales]] was not targetted at WikiFur in particular.(Indeed, I could care less about WikiFur, if it weren't for the current insistence that my personal details be included in this article.) Nor was it a result of coordination with Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you recall, I vandalized solo, and didn't get all that much in before the account was blocked (eight edits or so, maybe more, maybe less). It was a semi-random wikia that I selected to "rape" when I was engagine in a cross-wiki vandalism spree (I did it for the lulz, in case you were wondering). It was the second of four that I vandalized before I got bored and moved on.

Second, it is quite bothersome and PoV to see my personal details listed in such a manner as to essentially slam a site which I am involved in.

And third, for crying out loud, it's my personal details. I make it simple enough for interested people to find that information out (it's not like I'm hiding or anything), but I don't intend for that information to be copied all across the internets. It's flat-out rude to do so.

So, I once again request that the information be removed. It really doesn't add anything to the article (other than a sense of moral superiority against those blasted vandals), is quite offensive, and is misrepresentative of the way things are. --[[User:Aardvark sockpuppet|Aardvark sockpuppet]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

:What really needs to happen is that this entire article should be rewritten. It jumps from one topic to another, and sounds like it's been written by a series of people, each with their own little grudge or point to make - since it has.
:For this specific section, I think we need to decide what facts should go into here, and which should not. Here are some that spring to mind which may or may not be appropriate to use in the article:
:* Several ED articles link to WikiFur, and there is a regular (if relatively small) stream of traffic from the site to WikiFur.
:* ED users (some of whom were admins) have edited articles on WikiFur. Some have done so openly under their own names, at least one under an assumed name intended to be real, some under obvius vandal names, some without logging in.
:* Many, though not all of the article edits made by ED users have been detrimental to WikiFur. Some appear to be done "on behalf of" ED, others do not.
:* Those who have been known to made detrimental edits to WikiFur include Blu_Aardvark (who is an admin) and [to be fair] Samsara (who is not)
:** We have strong reason to believe that Samsara made such edits due to his simultaneous editing of articles on ED and articles here under another name.
:** We have strong reason to believe that Blu_Aardvark made such edits because the pattern of his edits and templates used matches that of an ED user, and his IP matches up to that of his edits on Wikipedia, where he was banned.
:* The detrimental edits made by Blu_Aardvark were relatively trivial, and easily reverted. He later moved onto other Wikia wikis.
:The current use of the disputed personal information is to identify the owner of the account [[User:Jewbo Wales]] as Blu_Aardvark. As it appears to be accepted by all, there seems to be no pressing need for that information to remain. It is indeed not hard to find if you know the name Blu_Aardvark and are of a mind to look, as it is publicly posted on his ED website. The IP can be referenced by the Wikipedia article. This information can be located on the above user page.
:I think that we ''should'' note prominent members of ED who have been known to vandalise here, especially if they tried to hide that fact. As much as they might like it not to reflect on ED, admins in particuar are representatives of the site even if they work alone. '''I''' wouldn't go around vandalising Wikipedia, because it would reflect badly on WikiFur once I was found out (as well as being incredibly futile). If they don't like that . . . well, they shouldn't do it, and if they ''continue'' to do it (being rude to us), other steps need to be taken to get them to stop (which may include being rude to them). If that is not necessary, though, then they should not be taken. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

::Why not? Punishing a group for the actions of individuals sounds great to me. So does fighting rudeness with rudeness. Generally, an eye for an eye is an effective problem-solving technique. [[User:68.101.67.48|68.101.67.48]] 07:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, sooner or later one party or group runs out of eyes, so yes. It's probably not an ideal solution, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on edit histories, 68.101.67.48 is ED user Miltopia. [[User:ED is not Furry enough until now|ED is not Furry enough until now]] 13:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==correction==
Girlvinyl sold the site to Joseph Evers about a year or more ago, and I (User:Weev on ED) now have root on the ED server. GV doesn't really have anything to do with the site any longer except as a user and beaurecrat. --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 21:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

:You should put it up somewhere on the site in a protected area so it is sourced instead of heresay or original research as it is now. [[User:Tretonin|Tretonin]] 04:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:: http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/ --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 15:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Has the word "test" on it. :-) {{unsigned|GreenReaper}} 15:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: .... I edited a test server page. I have demonstrated my control of the DNS. What more do you want? --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ahh I see what you mean. My squid cache is misconfigured and is caching the old copy of the page. I will have to work on this later as I am going to bed, but i copied the new version here for you to read: curl http://911.encyclopediadramatica.com/sdf.html --[[User:209.145.84.66|209.145.84.66]] 04:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

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