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Jessica Elwood

2010-07-19T22:23:04Z

Duckhat: ED has officially denounced its JE = Arden claims, therefore we will no longer address it as an active conspiracy. I'll let someone else write up the Martha section.

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'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
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== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==

===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the commissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user (Or possibly JE herself) then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-19T22:18:51Z

Duckhat: /* The Sword */

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

According to the FA site owner, the IPs for KW and JE "don't match at all. Not even close." It is still visible on KW's shouts, but I do have it screen capped if it is ever unavailable.

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:: I do not know about live chats but I know of a video from 2008 where JE ink a drawing. The video is mostly focused in the paper but JE's bust is clearly visible. I will see if I can obtain it in order to prove it's real. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

== Martha Guerrero Martinez ==

Recently I've been investigating into the possibility Jessica Elwood is not Jessica Jazmin Colaneri nor Arturo Juarez, but rather Martha Guerrero Martinez. For this I put the following list of proven facts.

-JE and Kacey share the same IP address as confirmed by the admins of Furaffinity, mainly Arshes Nei.

-Martha's email address traces back to a 26 years old female from Mexico.

-For about 4 years JE has directed every commission payment to the address of Martha Guerrero Martinez. This dates back as early as 2006, as seen here http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg

-It was believed Martha's Mexican account was just a shuffle account so it would be directed to another account. But it was recently discovered that said Paypal account is verified, so it has a bank account and credit card to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, and they have gone through Paypal's identity verification.

-Tonight I was given an audio file from a friend of Martha/Kacey, where she admits being Jessica Elwood and asks for this information to not be revealed. I had the file tested in case it had been digitally altered, but the file is clean and the voice is definitely female. This person has a heavy accent and speaks Spanish in the later half of the file, as expected from someone from Mexico. (Any idea how to upload it here?)

-The translation of the above file would be something like: " Alright, I am Jessica Elwood. Please...Please don't tell anyone, no one can know this."

Now, this is not speculation. All these facts are proven, so I consider worthy adding this to the article.The link between Arden and JE is far weaker.
[[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:Alright, let's see what you've got. Upload it to some file sharing site and link it here. I've got some friends who can speak spanish so I'll see i they can translate, but I need records of the discussion with your friend when he or she gave you the file. Also, if that friend of martha/kace was in a text chat with m/k, I would like to see records of that as well. If your proof checks out, then we will of course add it to the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also, about your claims that "Since it's a confirmed account, Martha must be the real name", you are able to connect your paypal account to ANY bank account you own, regardless of the name on the account. The name on the bank account and the name on the paypal account can be completely different and it will staill say that the paypal account is verified, and transferring of funds is still possible. I will test this out myself by connecting a paypal account under my name to a bank account under my mother's name just to prove this. If it works, then it will prove that the name on the paypal account does NOT need to match the name on bank account, opening the possibility that elwood's paypal is a fake name linked to an account of a different name. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

::That really ain't necessary Duck. o.o Mah bud at ''ED'' (and ''Google Translate'') did th' work FOR ya! :D *Copypasta from the ''ED'' article*
::*'''Original''': "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto."
::*'''Translated Spanish''': "Alright already, I'm Jessica Elwood. Please...please do not tell anybody, nobody can know this."
::I mean if ya wanna go ahead and do it, go fer it. But if it's already there in plain text... XD {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 16:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::: This may be a great find, but I say 'may' for this sole reason: we need visual evidence to tie together the audio in that file with an actual MSN conversation with this martha person. We need screenshots or chat logs that show that martha was in an MSN call or sending voice clips at the time that this was supposedly recorded. When we get logs that show "Martha has entered a call with ___" or "Martha has sent you a voice clip", then we can confirm that the audio has come from Martha's actual msn address. Until then, it's still possible that this audio file is of someone's mexican female friend. At this time, we can only confirm a couple things: The voice in the clip is of a hispanic woman. The woman in the clip says "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto." We just now need visual evidence that this audio clip was apart of an msn conversation with the martha msn account. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 17:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Sword ==

(My apologies for the copypasta)

Hello. This is my first time posting in Wikifur as I am not a furry myself, but I have something important to share. I heard of this drama about a week ago and some names were familiar so I went to research a bit. The subject of this article is someone I once considered a friend before she stopped talking with me with no apparent reason. I gathered this evidence and demanded an explanation, but she decided to ignore my note so I have no reason to keep this hidden anymore. The person called “Jessica Elwood” is none but Martha Martinez, or “CountessaAsryon”.

I am a regular user of the forum of a website called Swords of Might. Back in early 09 a new user appeared and became inactive after a few dozen posts, but I remained in touch with her via PMs. I asked her to show me one of her swords and she took a few photos, which can be seen here:

http://i25.tinypic.com/15nt09k.jpg

The date is March 09. A day later I was given this one as well:

http://i31.tinypic.com/mj635i.jpg

Now, after looking at JessicaElwood’s journal history I stumbled upon this entry http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/journal/22604095 from a couple months before, where “JessicaElwood” talk about a sword she has. I checked and both the sword in Martha’s photos and the one in JessicaElwood’s journal are the same. Also, I noticed both share a similar quote.

I’ve put together an image that explain in better detail what I am trying to expose, and what I think is a solid evidence they are the same person. The image can be seen here. It’s a little big so it may be slow to load.

http://i30.tinypic.com/1194izd.jpg

--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 18:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Et-- Hi there! o.o; You saved me the trouble'a copypastain' this over myself! GREAT stuff fer anyone that was curious! (I kinda was!) But what's a booble-wolf with no undies have ta do this? O.o *Points to the ''FA'' link*

: Sorry, I was looking at another link posted in ED and it seems I copied the url of the wrong page.--[[User:UlrichLiechtenstein|UlrichLiechtenstein]] 21:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright, so the unanimous decision over at ED as that JE = Martha and there's no longer any conspiracy that JE = Arden. I believe we can remove the Arden section since the Martha connection has far more evidence for a more solid connection. ...plus there's no more argument about JE being him anymore, which was why we had it up anyways. So bye-bye Arden section. Now, obviously there's been no confirmation from JE that she is, indeed, Martha, so at this time we can only present the evidence that has recently been unearthed and leave any speculation or conclusion to the readers. Until it is confirmed indefinitely, we have to present it as only a theory at this time, as we are a wiki and not an opinion site. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

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{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
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== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the commissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user (Or possibly JE herself) then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to him. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for her input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Despite ongoing debate, the true nature of the relationship between Elwood and Arden is still unknown.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-19T02:39:40Z

Duckhat: GreenReaper has already stated that there is no reason to question said Admin's word at this time.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the commissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user (Or possibly JE herself) then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to him. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for her input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Despite ongoing debate, the true nature of the relationship between Elwood and Arden is still unknown.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-19T02:38:39Z

Duckhat: Next time someone changes the gender, undo their edits. Don't edit them out manually.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the commissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user (Or possibly JE herself) then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to him. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for her input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Despite ongoing debate, the true nature of the relationship between Elwood and Arden is still unknown.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person. Because every notice and check was done by the same admin and they are refusing to release any details other than yes or no, it is possible that they may not be telling the truth.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-18T18:11:58Z

Duckhat: ...I said "Hispanic female woman" as opposed to "Hispanic male woman". facepalm.jpg

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

According to the FA site owner, the IPs for KW and JE "don't match at all. Not even close." It is still visible on KW's shouts, but I do have it screen capped if it is ever unavailable.

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:: I do not know about live chats but I know of a video from 2008 where JE ink a drawing. The video is mostly focused in the paper but JE's bust is clearly visible. I will see if I can obtain it in order to prove it's real. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

== Martha Guerrero Martinez ==

Recently I've been investigating into the possibility Jessica Elwood is not Jessica Jazmin Colaneri nor Arturo Juarez, but rather Martha Guerrero Martinez. For this I put the following list of proven facts.

-JE and Kacey share the same IP address as confirmed by the admins of Furaffinity, mainly Arshes Nei.

-Martha's email address traces back to a 26 years old female from Mexico.

-For about 4 years JE has directed every commission payment to the address of Martha Guerrero Martinez. This dates back as early as 2006, as seen here http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg

-It was believed Martha's Mexican account was just a shuffle account so it would be directed to another account. But it was recently discovered that said Paypal account is verified, so it has a bank account and credit card to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, and they have gone through Paypal's identity verification.

-Tonight I was given an audio file from a friend of Martha/Kacey, where she admits being Jessica Elwood and asks for this information to not be revealed. I had the file tested in case it had been digitally altered, but the file is clean and the voice is definitely female. This person has a heavy accent and speaks Spanish in the later half of the file, as expected from someone from Mexico. (Any idea how to upload it here?)

-The translation of the above file would be something like: " Alright, I am Jessica Elwood. Please...Please don't tell anyone, no one can know this."

Now, this is not speculation. All these facts are proven, so I consider worthy adding this to the article.The link between Arden and JE is far weaker.
[[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:Alright, let's see what you've got. Upload it to some file sharing site and link it here. I've got some friends who can speak spanish so I'll see i they can translate, but I need records of the discussion with your friend when he or she gave you the file. Also, if that friend of martha/kace was in a text chat with m/k, I would like to see records of that as well. If your proof checks out, then we will of course add it to the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also, about your claims that "Since it's a confirmed account, Martha must be the real name", you are able to connect your paypal account to ANY bank account you own, regardless of the name on the account. The name on the bank account and the name on the paypal account can be completely different and it will staill say that the paypal account is verified, and transferring of funds is still possible. I will test this out myself by connecting a paypal account under my name to a bank account under my mother's name just to prove this. If it works, then it will prove that the name on the paypal account does NOT need to match the name on bank account, opening the possibility that elwood's paypal is a fake name linked to an account of a different name. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

::That really ain't necessary Duck. o.o Mah bud at ''ED'' (and ''Google Translate'') did th' work FOR ya! :D *Copypasta from the ''ED'' article*
::*'''Original''': "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto."
::*'''Translated Spanish''': "Alright already, I'm Jessica Elwood. Please...please do not tell anybody, nobody can know this."
::I mean if ya wanna go ahead and do it, go fer it. But if it's already there in plain text... XD {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 16:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::: This may be a great find, but I say 'may' for this sole reason: we need visual evidence to tie together the audio in that file with an actual MSN conversation with this martha person. We need screenshots or chat logs that show that martha was in an MSN call or sending voice clips at the time that this was supposedly recorded. When we get logs that show "Martha has entered a call with ___" or "Martha has sent you a voice clip", then we can confirm that the audio has come from Martha's actual msn address. Until then, it's still possible that this audio file is of someone's mexican female friend. At this time, we can only confirm a couple things: The voice in the clip is of a hispanic woman. The woman in the clip says "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto." We just now need visual evidence that this audio clip was apart of an msn conversation with the martha msn account. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 17:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-18T17:52:07Z

Duckhat: /* Martha Guerrero Martinez */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

According to the FA site owner, the IPs for KW and JE "don't match at all. Not even close." It is still visible on KW's shouts, but I do have it screen capped if it is ever unavailable.

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:: I do not know about live chats but I know of a video from 2008 where JE ink a drawing. The video is mostly focused in the paper but JE's bust is clearly visible. I will see if I can obtain it in order to prove it's real. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

== Martha Guerrero Martinez ==

Recently I've been investigating into the possibility Jessica Elwood is not Jessica Jazmin Colaneri nor Arturo Juarez, but rather Martha Guerrero Martinez. For this I put the following list of proven facts.

-JE and Kacey share the same IP address as confirmed by the admins of Furaffinity, mainly Arshes Nei.

-Martha's email address traces back to a 26 years old female from Mexico.

-For about 4 years JE has directed every commission payment to the address of Martha Guerrero Martinez. This dates back as early as 2006, as seen here http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg

-It was believed Martha's Mexican account was just a shuffle account so it would be directed to another account. But it was recently discovered that said Paypal account is verified, so it has a bank account and credit card to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, and they have gone through Paypal's identity verification.

-Tonight I was given an audio file from a friend of Martha/Kacey, where she admits being Jessica Elwood and asks for this information to not be revealed. I had the file tested in case it had been digitally altered, but the file is clean and the voice is definitely female. This person has a heavy accent and speaks Spanish in the later half of the file, as expected from someone from Mexico. (Any idea how to upload it here?)

-The translation of the above file would be something like: " Alright, I am Jessica Elwood. Please...Please don't tell anyone, no one can know this."

Now, this is not speculation. All these facts are proven, so I consider worthy adding this to the article.The link between Arden and JE is far weaker.
[[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:Alright, let's see what you've got. Upload it to some file sharing site and link it here. I've got some friends who can speak spanish so I'll see i they can translate, but I need records of the discussion with your friend when he or she gave you the file. Also, if that friend of martha/kace was in a text chat with m/k, I would like to see records of that as well. If your proof checks out, then we will of course add it to the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also, about your claims that "Since it's a confirmed account, Martha must be the real name", you are able to connect your paypal account to ANY bank account you own, regardless of the name on the account. The name on the bank account and the name on the paypal account can be completely different and it will staill say that the paypal account is verified, and transferring of funds is still possible. I will test this out myself by connecting a paypal account under my name to a bank account under my mother's name just to prove this. If it works, then it will prove that the name on the paypal account does NOT need to match the name on bank account, opening the possibility that elwood's paypal is a fake name linked to an account of a different name. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

::That really ain't necessary Duck. o.o Mah bud at ''ED'' (and ''Google Translate'') did th' work FOR ya! :D *Copypasta from the ''ED'' article*
::*'''Original''': "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto."
::*'''Translated Spanish''': "Alright already, I'm Jessica Elwood. Please...please do not tell anybody, nobody can know this."
::I mean if ya wanna go ahead and do it, go fer it. But if it's already there in plain text... XD {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 16:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::: This may be a great find, but I say 'may' for this sole reason: we need visual evidence to tie together the audio in that file with an actual MSN conversation with this martha person. We need screenshots or chat logs that show that martha was in an MSN call or sending voice clips to the person she was chatting with. When we get logs that show "Martha has entered a call with ___" or "Martha has sent you a voice clip", then we can confirm that the audio has come from Martha's actual msn address. Until then, it's still possible that this audio file is of someone's mexican female friend. At this time, we can only confirm a couple things: The voice in the clip is of a hispanic female woman. The woman in the clip says "Please, I am not Jessica." "No, I am not Jessica!" "... Muy bien ya, yo soy Jessica Elwood. Por favor...para por favor no le digas a nadie, nadie puede saber esto." We just now need visual evidence that this audio clip was apart of an msn conversation with the martha msn account. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 17:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-18T14:24:04Z

Duckhat: /* Martha Guerrero Martinez */

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-18T12:57:31Z

Duckhat: forgot to sign

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-18T12:57:10Z

Duckhat: /* Martha Guerrero Martinez */

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T16:49:55Z

Duckhat: See previously stated summary.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Despite ongoing debate, the true nature of the relationship between Elwood and Arden is still unknown.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T16:48:52Z

Duckhat: None of this belongs in the "arden the black" section. Moving it to the "Hacking" section.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Despite ongoing debate, the true nature of the relationship between Elwood and Arden is still unknown.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T15:01:41Z

Duckhat: I've changed the 'he' back to a 'she', but put a notice that the gender is being debated. However, for simplicity's sake, Jessica will be reffered to in the article as a female until proven false.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] of the same name. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
''At this time, the true identity of Jessica Elwood is still unknown. While Jessica's gender is the subject of much debate, for the sake of simplicity, Jessica will be referred to as a female throughout the article until proven otherwise at a later time.''
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital. It is also pointed out that the shock imagery used was found by using the first few pictures found while searching on Google.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html "Beware: Jessica Elwood" - Darkduck64]</ref>

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and a moderator on the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T11:01:22Z

Duckhat: /* I has a editorial */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== I has a editorial ==
''The opinions expressed in this editorial in no way reflect those of '''WikiFur''' staff members or users outside of [[User:Jessica U. Ingmann|Jessica U. Ingmann]] and should be seen as just that: an opinion.''

Can't help but notice that since this happened, a great many people who once loved Jess now seem ta hate her guts! This got me thinkin' real hard last night and I came up with some theories...

1. She has a history'a not goin' through with commissions. If she owes you commission(s)/a refund, this might be a good time ta strike, petty as it may be. 
2. Ya liked the idea that a (probably) hot girl drew really awesome art but the idea of a GUY drawin' awesome art doesn't appeal ta ya fer some reason. 
3. Yer insecure in yer sexuality or otherwise don't like the idea that OMG (MAYBE) IT'S A GUY IS PLAYING A GIRL CHARACTER?!?!!11 
4. Rather than want the catfoxsquirrelchimerathing, ya wanted ta get inta a relationship with Jess IRL an' these rumors made ya question yer sexuality 'cuz there's (theoretically) no REAL Jess ta love on! 
5. YA HOPPED ON DAT FURRY DRAMA BANDWAGON AND JOINED TEH HOEDOWN YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW

Of the four reasons, that first one in my opinion seems th' most rational (and dare say LOGICAL!) reason ta randomly show outward aggression toward Jess. The others -- particularly that last one (SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE) -- are all pretty poor reasons ta hate someone: 
If she inadvertently broke yer heart by (STILL THEORETICALLY) turnin' out ta be a guy, I DO feel fer ya. I can't rightly figure on her actually RETURNIN' yer love PUBLICLY since she was EXTREMELY quiet about 'er personal life, but I DO feel fer ya. 
If ya fell in love with the CHARACTER but suddenly hate her 'cuz she's played by a guy THEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NEW TO THE INTERNET. There's a BAJILLION girls out there that aren't REALLY girls! Fer all you folks know, I could be a guy! I'm NOT, but I COULD be! X3 Regardless, if the fantasy if all you were int'rested in, keep on fantasizin'! Jessica Elwood, the foxbatgoatsquirrelthing, STILL EXISTS! Shocking, I know, but just 'cuz the creator is (POSSIBLY) a dude doesn't make the CHARACTER any less of a GIRL! :O 
If, fer some reason, the idea of a (THEORETICAL) dude who draws awesome, well-endowed art posin' as a girl (who does the same) made you hate Jess, you SERIOUSLY gotta reevaluate yer position on things... Talk about PETTY! Yeah, she lied about those photos, but she (temporarily) apologized. And if it turns out SHE was th' one that "hacked" herself, does that make her any less of an awesome artist? Less of a PERSON, sure. Less of an artist? I think not.

You people really need'a think about what'cha say before ya decide ta go ahead and hate on Jess fer whatever petty reasons ya think are valid. Outward hatin' NOW what the iron's still HOT of all times is petty in an' of itself, but if yer hate stems from some idiotic, selfish reason as I mentioned above, then you got some serious issues an' I pity th' HECK outta you. :|

{{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 03:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:''The opinions expressed in this editorial in no way reflect those of '''WikiFur''' staff members or users outside of [[User:Jessica U. Ingmann|Jessica U. Ingmann]] and should be seen as just that: an opinion.'' <---- The first sign that it probably doesn't belong here then. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== JE = Martha Guerrero? ==

I'll post the DA comment that made me start thinking about this.

"Kacey is a sockpuppet. But I mean the real Martha Gerrero. There is a flaw in the shuffle account theory. My sister runs an online store that takes only Paypal as a payment, and recently Paypal won't allow any account to send/withdraw funds without a credit card linked to the account, with matching names on both card and account. So, the shuffle account theory doesn't work because if it was a fake account that account couldn't send money to anyone even if it had it on the Paypal account.

Also, a friend who won't be named told me that when he sent a payment to "Jessica" he did it to the Martha account, and that account IS verified.

So Martha Gerrero does indeed exist. The simplest answer to this is that JE is not Arden or Jessica or whatever, but Martha Gerrero."

After looking at Paypal's site I noticed that indeed you cannot send money from a ghost account because you need a credit card to the name, and apparently the Paypal address of Martha Guerrero is verified. Has anyone considered the option that there is no shuffle account and Elwood is Martha Guerrero? This theory becomes more solid with some stuff I learned last night. I spoke with one of the ex-administrators from Playmouse and they told me that JE used to nearly stalk Arden and blatantly copy his drawings, to the point several users and the admin himself had to tell her to back off. Then she removed her drawings from Playmouse and joined Deviantart instead.

One of the alleged reasons Arden stopped caring about the fandom was because of JE's obsession with him, something she continued doing with artist after artist after that.

So far we have proof that Kacey (Martha) and JE share the exact same IP. Also that JE has always asked for payments to be sent to Martha's Paypal account, as early as 2006 as it can be seen here. http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg This makes 4 years of commissions being paid to Martha. There was the theory that said paypal account was just a shuffle one, but according to Paypal policies it is not possible to send money unless you have a credit card in file. If that account as a ghost, then it wouldn't be able to send money to anyone or withdraw it. Another thing is that Martha's account is a verified one, so she must have a credit card and bank account in file with Paypal, all to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez. While the Arden link is very dubious, the Martha link has a lot of strong points, such as the shared IP and the verified Paypal account. I think it would be worth to reconsider the Arden part as it is not solid enough, while this "Martha" theory is a lot more logical. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:That is entirely possible and was never ruled out. It's also possible that this could be a relative or someone close. The obsession thing also makes sense. She has done this with numerous artists. Marta is a real paypal account. It's also less far-fetched than shuffling the Marta paypal account to another one or if they're related they just use the money from Marta's account. ~Just another Contributor.

::"~Just another Contributor." doesn't count as signing your work. Use 4 ~'s or click the "your signature with timestamp" up top. And stabler, when I said bring it here, I meant bring it here as additional information regarding the connection between JE and the Martha account, not introduce another theory about who JE is. :\ We don't theorize on here; we give the raw facts we find, and only acknowledge theories if they're widely speculated, and even then, it's done so neutrally. But it's best to not even cover them at all as soon the page will be stacked with people constantly adding reasons for each sides of the theories in a never-ending tug-of-war on something that isn't even confirmed yet, much like how the hacking section has pretty much turned into a big "This is why 4chan did it / didn't do it" even though we haven't even confirmed whether or not the hacking was real or staged. If you can't even confirm the validity of the incident, then putting a theoretical motive to said debatable incident is completely useless for wikis. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T10:49:22Z

Duckhat: /* Claims that she did live chats? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== I has a editorial ==
''The opinions expressed in this editorial in no way reflect those of '''WikiFur''' staff members or users outside of [[User:Jessica U. Ingmann|Jessica U. Ingmann]] and should be seen as just that: an opinion.''

Can't help but notice that since this happened, a great many people who once loved Jess now seem ta hate her guts! This got me thinkin' real hard last night and I came up with some theories...

1. She has a history'a not goin' through with commissions. If she owes you commission(s)/a refund, this might be a good time ta strike, petty as it may be. 
2. Ya liked the idea that a (probably) hot girl drew really awesome art but the idea of a GUY drawin' awesome art doesn't appeal ta ya fer some reason. 
3. Yer insecure in yer sexuality or otherwise don't like the idea that OMG (MAYBE) IT'S A GUY IS PLAYING A GIRL CHARACTER?!?!!11 
4. Rather than want the catfoxsquirrelchimerathing, ya wanted ta get inta a relationship with Jess IRL an' these rumors made ya question yer sexuality 'cuz there's (theoretically) no REAL Jess ta love on! 
5. YA HOPPED ON DAT FURRY DRAMA BANDWAGON AND JOINED TEH HOEDOWN YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW

Of the four reasons, that first one in my opinion seems th' most rational (and dare say LOGICAL!) reason ta randomly show outward aggression toward Jess. The others -- particularly that last one (SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE) -- are all pretty poor reasons ta hate someone: 
If she inadvertently broke yer heart by (STILL THEORETICALLY) turnin' out ta be a guy, I DO feel fer ya. I can't rightly figure on her actually RETURNIN' yer love PUBLICLY since she was EXTREMELY quiet about 'er personal life, but I DO feel fer ya. 
If ya fell in love with the CHARACTER but suddenly hate her 'cuz she's played by a guy THEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NEW TO THE INTERNET. There's a BAJILLION girls out there that aren't REALLY girls! Fer all you folks know, I could be a guy! I'm NOT, but I COULD be! X3 Regardless, if the fantasy if all you were int'rested in, keep on fantasizin'! Jessica Elwood, the foxbatgoatsquirrelthing, STILL EXISTS! Shocking, I know, but just 'cuz the creator is (POSSIBLY) a dude doesn't make the CHARACTER any less of a GIRL! :O 
If, fer some reason, the idea of a (THEORETICAL) dude who draws awesome, well-endowed art posin' as a girl (who does the same) made you hate Jess, you SERIOUSLY gotta reevaluate yer position on things... Talk about PETTY! Yeah, she lied about those photos, but she (temporarily) apologized. And if it turns out SHE was th' one that "hacked" herself, does that make her any less of an awesome artist? Less of a PERSON, sure. Less of an artist? I think not.

You people really need'a think about what'cha say before ya decide ta go ahead and hate on Jess fer whatever petty reasons ya think are valid. Outward hatin' NOW what the iron's still HOT of all times is petty in an' of itself, but if yer hate stems from some idiotic, selfish reason as I mentioned above, then you got some serious issues an' I pity th' HECK outta you. :|

{{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 03:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== JE = Martha Guerrero? ==

I'll post the DA comment that made me start thinking about this.

"Kacey is a sockpuppet. But I mean the real Martha Gerrero. There is a flaw in the shuffle account theory. My sister runs an online store that takes only Paypal as a payment, and recently Paypal won't allow any account to send/withdraw funds without a credit card linked to the account, with matching names on both card and account. So, the shuffle account theory doesn't work because if it was a fake account that account couldn't send money to anyone even if it had it on the Paypal account.

Also, a friend who won't be named told me that when he sent a payment to "Jessica" he did it to the Martha account, and that account IS verified.

So Martha Gerrero does indeed exist. The simplest answer to this is that JE is not Arden or Jessica or whatever, but Martha Gerrero."

After looking at Paypal's site I noticed that indeed you cannot send money from a ghost account because you need a credit card to the name, and apparently the Paypal address of Martha Guerrero is verified. Has anyone considered the option that there is no shuffle account and Elwood is Martha Guerrero? This theory becomes more solid with some stuff I learned last night. I spoke with one of the ex-administrators from Playmouse and they told me that JE used to nearly stalk Arden and blatantly copy his drawings, to the point several users and the admin himself had to tell her to back off. Then she removed her drawings from Playmouse and joined Deviantart instead.

One of the alleged reasons Arden stopped caring about the fandom was because of JE's obsession with him, something she continued doing with artist after artist after that.

So far we have proof that Kacey (Martha) and JE share the exact same IP. Also that JE has always asked for payments to be sent to Martha's Paypal account, as early as 2006 as it can be seen here. http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg This makes 4 years of commissions being paid to Martha. There was the theory that said paypal account was just a shuffle one, but according to Paypal policies it is not possible to send money unless you have a credit card in file. If that account as a ghost, then it wouldn't be able to send money to anyone or withdraw it. Another thing is that Martha's account is a verified one, so she must have a credit card and bank account in file with Paypal, all to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez. While the Arden link is very dubious, the Martha link has a lot of strong points, such as the shared IP and the verified Paypal account. I think it would be worth to reconsider the Arden part as it is not solid enough, while this "Martha" theory is a lot more logical. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:That is entirely possible and was never ruled out. It's also possible that this could be a relative or someone close. The obsession thing also makes sense. She has done this with numerous artists. Marta is a real paypal account. It's also less far-fetched than shuffling the Marta paypal account to another one or if they're related they just use the money from Marta's account. ~Just another Contributor.

::"~Just another Contributor." doesn't count as signing your work. Use 4 ~'s or click the "your signature with timestamp" up top. And stabler, when I said bring it here, I meant bring it here as additional information regarding the connection between JE and the Martha account, not introduce another theory about who JE is. :\ We don't theorize on here; we give the raw facts we find, and only acknowledge theories if they're widely speculated, and even then, it's done so neutrally. But it's best to not even cover them at all as soon the page will be stacked with people constantly adding reasons for each sides of the theories in a never-ending tug-of-war on something that isn't even confirmed yet, much like how the hacking section has pretty much turned into a big "This is why 4chan did it / didn't do it" even though we haven't even confirmed whether or not the hacking was real or staged. If you can't even confirm the validity of the incident, then putting a theoretical motive to said debatable incident is completely useless for wikis. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

:Sign your edits, thank you for reporting that there are claims on /s/ about live chats, but please don't throw conspiracies into the talk page. We can't even confirm that the live chats even happened, so how in the world can we claim that it was a feed of Camerella? Instead of proposing that it was a live feed of camerella (and then also proposing that it could actually have been JE or that JE may actually be Camerella just to balance things out), let's just strip it of all the 'fat' and keep only what we do know, which is nothing right now. Now as for the claims, if you have (or later discover) any proof to these live chats, such as video or audio clips, then we can go somewhere with it, but I am very skeptical whether or not anyone can produce any proof of these live chat allegations. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-17T10:39:52Z

Duckhat: /* JE = Martha Guerrero? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

http://comments.deviantart.com/1/170748197/1571681620 $700 in commissions owed.
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2044342&viewfull=1#post2044342 Confirmation of the fact that the user is also on FA, and paypal recites are indeed valid.

I'll just leave these here. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 21:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== I has a editorial ==
''The opinions expressed in this editorial in no way reflect those of '''WikiFur''' staff members or users outside of [[User:Jessica U. Ingmann|Jessica U. Ingmann]] and should be seen as just that: an opinion.''

Can't help but notice that since this happened, a great many people who once loved Jess now seem ta hate her guts! This got me thinkin' real hard last night and I came up with some theories...

1. She has a history'a not goin' through with commissions. If she owes you commission(s)/a refund, this might be a good time ta strike, petty as it may be. 
2. Ya liked the idea that a (probably) hot girl drew really awesome art but the idea of a GUY drawin' awesome art doesn't appeal ta ya fer some reason. 
3. Yer insecure in yer sexuality or otherwise don't like the idea that OMG (MAYBE) IT'S A GUY IS PLAYING A GIRL CHARACTER?!?!!11 
4. Rather than want the catfoxsquirrelchimerathing, ya wanted ta get inta a relationship with Jess IRL an' these rumors made ya question yer sexuality 'cuz there's (theoretically) no REAL Jess ta love on! 
5. YA HOPPED ON DAT FURRY DRAMA BANDWAGON AND JOINED TEH HOEDOWN YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW

Of the four reasons, that first one in my opinion seems th' most rational (and dare say LOGICAL!) reason ta randomly show outward aggression toward Jess. The others -- particularly that last one (SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE) -- are all pretty poor reasons ta hate someone: 
If she inadvertently broke yer heart by (STILL THEORETICALLY) turnin' out ta be a guy, I DO feel fer ya. I can't rightly figure on her actually RETURNIN' yer love PUBLICLY since she was EXTREMELY quiet about 'er personal life, but I DO feel fer ya. 
If ya fell in love with the CHARACTER but suddenly hate her 'cuz she's played by a guy THEN YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NEW TO THE INTERNET. There's a BAJILLION girls out there that aren't REALLY girls! Fer all you folks know, I could be a guy! I'm NOT, but I COULD be! X3 Regardless, if the fantasy if all you were int'rested in, keep on fantasizin'! Jessica Elwood, the foxbatgoatsquirrelthing, STILL EXISTS! Shocking, I know, but just 'cuz the creator is (POSSIBLY) a dude doesn't make the CHARACTER any less of a GIRL! :O 
If, fer some reason, the idea of a (THEORETICAL) dude who draws awesome, well-endowed art posin' as a girl (who does the same) made you hate Jess, you SERIOUSLY gotta reevaluate yer position on things... Talk about PETTY! Yeah, she lied about those photos, but she (temporarily) apologized. And if it turns out SHE was th' one that "hacked" herself, does that make her any less of an awesome artist? Less of a PERSON, sure. Less of an artist? I think not.

You people really need'a think about what'cha say before ya decide ta go ahead and hate on Jess fer whatever petty reasons ya think are valid. Outward hatin' NOW what the iron's still HOT of all times is petty in an' of itself, but if yer hate stems from some idiotic, selfish reason as I mentioned above, then you got some serious issues an' I pity th' HECK outta you. :|

{{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 03:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== JE = Martha Guerrero? ==

I'll post the DA comment that made me start thinking about this.

"Kacey is a sockpuppet. But I mean the real Martha Gerrero. There is a flaw in the shuffle account theory. My sister runs an online store that takes only Paypal as a payment, and recently Paypal won't allow any account to send/withdraw funds without a credit card linked to the account, with matching names on both card and account. So, the shuffle account theory doesn't work because if it was a fake account that account couldn't send money to anyone even if it had it on the Paypal account.

Also, a friend who won't be named told me that when he sent a payment to "Jessica" he did it to the Martha account, and that account IS verified.

So Martha Gerrero does indeed exist. The simplest answer to this is that JE is not Arden or Jessica or whatever, but Martha Gerrero."

After looking at Paypal's site I noticed that indeed you cannot send money from a ghost account because you need a credit card to the name, and apparently the Paypal address of Martha Guerrero is verified. Has anyone considered the option that there is no shuffle account and Elwood is Martha Guerrero? This theory becomes more solid with some stuff I learned last night. I spoke with one of the ex-administrators from Playmouse and they told me that JE used to nearly stalk Arden and blatantly copy his drawings, to the point several users and the admin himself had to tell her to back off. Then she removed her drawings from Playmouse and joined Deviantart instead.

One of the alleged reasons Arden stopped caring about the fandom was because of JE's obsession with him, something she continued doing with artist after artist after that.

So far we have proof that Kacey (Martha) and JE share the exact same IP. Also that JE has always asked for payments to be sent to Martha's Paypal account, as early as 2006 as it can be seen here. http://i27.tinypic.com/308xsnn.jpg This makes 4 years of commissions being paid to Martha. There was the theory that said paypal account was just a shuffle one, but according to Paypal policies it is not possible to send money unless you have a credit card in file. If that account as a ghost, then it wouldn't be able to send money to anyone or withdraw it. Another thing is that Martha's account is a verified one, so she must have a credit card and bank account in file with Paypal, all to the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez. While the Arden link is very dubious, the Martha link has a lot of strong points, such as the shared IP and the verified Paypal account. I think it would be worth to reconsider the Arden part as it is not solid enough, while this "Martha" theory is a lot more logical. [[User:Stabler3456|Stabler3456]]

:That is entirely possible and was never ruled out. It's also possible that this could be a relative or someone close. The obsession thing also makes sense. She has done this with numerous artists. Marta is a real paypal account. It's also less far-fetched than shuffling the Marta paypal account to another one or if they're related they just use the money from Marta's account. ~Just another Contributor.

::"~Just another Contributor." doesn't count as signing your work. Use 4 ~'s or click the "your signature with timestamp" up top. And stabler, when I said bring it here, I meant bring it here as additional information regarding the connection between JE and the Martha account, not introduce another theory about who JE is. :\ We don't theorize on here; we give the raw facts we find, and only acknowledge theories if they're widely speculated, and even then, it's done so neutrally. But it's best to not even cover them at all as soon the page will be stacked with people constantly adding reasons for each sides of the theories in a never-ending tug-of-war on something that isn't even confirmed yet, much like how the hacking section has pretty much turned into a big "This is why 4chan did it / didn't do it" even though we haven't even confirmed whether or not the hacking was real or staged. If you can't even confirm the validity of the incident, then putting a theoretical motive to said debatable incident is completely useless for wikis. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 10:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== A brief reminder about talk pages ==

Please note that this page is for discussing improvements to the attached article, ''not'' a forum for discussing the article's subject. Extensive suppositions, conspiracy theories, and personal opinions are best kept on LiveJournal. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. Which is why I posted it in all my journals all everywhere too! 8D Just wanted people here ta see it as well 'cuz a lotta people come here from other places in hopes of answers. Want people ta THINK a lil'. Ya know? Sidenote: Sorry 'bout all the BLUE LANGUAGE. :x Fergot where I was fer a minute there. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 05:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thinking is generally a good thing, yes, :-) As for answers, hopefully the article itself will provide some! I think it's moving in the right direction at least. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Claims that she did live chats? ==

Some people on /s/ claimed she did live chats. If that actually happened, did she just feed a video of Camerella and ignore all people in the room?

User talk:173.58.41.78

2010-07-17T00:24:11Z

Duckhat: Created page with 'Right, my mistake, I forgot to specify that it was 'a moderator'. You're right, the site and staff as a whole did not release it, and I didn't catch that it sounded like such wa…'

Right, my mistake, I forgot to specify that it was 'a moderator'. You're right, the site and staff as a whole did not release it, and I didn't catch that it sounded like such was the case when writing it. My bad. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 00:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-16T21:20:34Z

Duckhat: /* Possible sign of JE's return? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, this is quite strange.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 15:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that they have a screenshot and everything, we can definitely add that into the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 16:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yes. Yes we can. And by "we" that should probably be someone other than I. :D [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 21:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-16T14:18:03Z

Duckhat:

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Pity I'm not a sockpuppet[[User:Truthspeaker|Truthspeaker]] 22:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Truthspeaker, please keep ED stuff on ED and behave yourself while on WF. [[User:RedFox|RedFox]] 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Possible sign of JE's return? ==

I've got a report of enigmawig being blocked from commenting on JE's DA either yesterday or today (with others claiming to have been blocked as well), showing obvious activity on the account despite no word from her journals, deviations etc. http://enigmawing.deviantart.com/#/d2u35ap [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 14:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Duckhat

2010-07-15T22:34:21Z

Duckhat: Created page with 'Hello. When deciding on a name to give myself, I intended on creating a name that combined the bold nature of Justice and the cool vibe of Peace. When nothing came to mind, I s…'

Hello. When deciding on a name to give myself, I intended on creating a name that combined the bold nature of Justice and the cool vibe of Peace. When nothing came to mind, I settled with 'duckhat'.

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T22:06:23Z

Duckhat: /* Commissions Controversy */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've started the section on the tardy commissions with a stub, will edit some more after I go take a breather. Defacing my user page using a sockpuppet was a classy touch though, I must admit. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please hurry back now. <3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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== [[Sage Nadia]] ==

y'know man, you should really fix sage nadia's article.

I know this site's not known for being a reliable source of neutral point of view, but her article's really off the track. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:70.53.151.146|70.53.151.146]] ([[User talk:70.53.151.146|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.53.151.146|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

thanks and no problem...

-Hydrassas

== What is wrong with Cubist???? ==

Honestly, what is this person's problem? Their retort to my post is baffling to say that least - as if they're on the verge of insanity or something...

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Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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I ask you, is there ANYTHING in my post that could be considered an attack on Cubist? And do you know of any reason why Cubist would choose to launch an attack upon me?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:The simplest conclusion is that he is being honest - that the reason for his assertion is he believes you to be a [[Wikipedia:Internet troll#Concern troll|concern troll]]. I don't see any reason to suggest that he is implying that you made an attack on him - just that he strongly disagrees with you and suspects your motives. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

QUOTE CUBIST: '''Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy?'''

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:Right. He believes that your statements are overblown histronics. The form of his expression might be considered an attack on you, but does not imply that he felt that you attacked ''him'', as you said. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, Cubist is claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, do you not think?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, that is not the meaning of the term. He appears to believe that you do not actually support the same goals as the wiki, but are trying to subvert them by pretending that you do. For example, if giving people fair treatment was one of the goals of the wiki you might express concerns that Mozdoc is not getting fair treatment, thereby hoping to elicit sympathy from those who would otherwise have a neutral or negative opinion. The trouble with making such assertions is that people's motives are unknown to us without some external form of confirmation, therefore they are hard to prove or disprove. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The method Cubist used to do it is SO childish, it makes me wonder if I should just put him/her over me knee and spank him/her. :))

Mozdoc needs to learn to control his temper - I can sympathize with that. I also know how most of society can literally drive people like Mozdoc to such actions.

By only using punishment against him, we only further reinforce his behavior. That's not to say we should just give in and remove it to stop threats - just the opposite. HOWEVER, If it is removed, and you and the others make it CLEARLY known that
1 - it CAN be added in again should the threats resume.
2 - that it is being done for fairness sake.

I believe it will have a greater positive impact not only on the conflict but upon Mozdoc himself.

By the way, kindly take a look at my user page ;) :))
That should (hopefully) show we are two different peole - Mozdoc tends to simply open fire, wjile I tend to toy with those who make such pathetic attacks.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:As far as I know, the only person who has brought up the concept of you being the same person as Mozdoc is you. The assertions made by Cubist relate to the pursuit of similar goals while professing neutrality, not similar identity.

:I am unsure how much any of us can help Mozdoc. I've talked to him on several occasions and made no long-term progress. The whole reason the page is here in the first place is that counseling hasn't worked to stop the harassment of others in the fandom. As I understand it, its purpose isn't to coerce the subject into good behaviour (because punishment doesn't work), but to ameliorate the effects of his bad behaviour on others. The question is whether or not the real name is a requirement for this. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Content Concern ==

Hey dude! I have a suggestion that Wiki Fur needs to be kept PG rated as possible since we don't want people offended by nude and yiff images. I have to change an image from one of the articles here. Remember you have furries going to this site from all over the world and we need to respect them as much as we can. [[User:ChuongChoSoi|ChuongChoSoi]] 18:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Chuong. [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not censored for the protection of minors|WikiFur policy]] (like [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored|Wikipedia's policy]]) is that our content may be of any rating because of the variety of topics within the fandom. There are many topics of a mature nature, and some mature elements within other topic. We appreciate that there are differences in morals around the world, but we would rather not censor ourselves just to fit the more restrictive societies.

:Nevertheless, I thank you for changing the picture, not because the original picture was naked, but because I believe it is a better (more accurate) depiction of fat furs. That said, you do not appear to be the copyright holder, so I must ask you - did you obtain permission to use it from the author, [http://gokutothez.deviantart.com/ gokutothez]? If we are not talking about the specific character, it is not fair for us to use it without permission. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sage Nadia again ==

Why are things so slow around here? her article's been tagged as being a pile of biased shit (my own words) and yet any edit gets reverted to this steaming pile of turd. what's going on with you?

:The page is not protected. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you edit it yourself - and [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Sage_Nadia&action=history recent edits] do not demonstrate the reversions that you claim. I am [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|somewhat preoccupied]] at the moment and cannot guarantee to give it any significant time in the near future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Entry: Thaily ==

Greetings Mr.GreenReaper,

I am writing this on behalf of Thaily Brimstone, her page, [[Thaily Brimstone]] has been restored. Could you please remove this and lock it down. She does not wish to have any article about her on this site.

Thank you for your understanding,

PeglaSkunk

:Please, call me Green. ;-)
:I have in fact just done this, after a conversation with Thaily over ICQ to clarify her intentions. The main issue was the percieved non-neutrality of excluding some pieces of information but not others; we're actually more comfortable with complete exclusion, and it seems so was Thaily, so everyone's happy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Assistance requested in adding "Rukario" to the list of fursuiters. ==

Good Evening GreenReaper:

I am looking for assistance in adding "Rukario" to the list of clickable fursuit links on Wikifur under the heading of "fursuit".

Any assistance that you can provide would be greatly apprecriated.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Prosperous Regards,

[[User:Rukario|Rukario]] 23:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Rukario - I moved the [[Rukario|page about you]] to the main namespace, and added the necessary categories. You should appear in [[:Category:Fursuiters]] now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

==message from RVDDP2501 - logged in==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry to bother you but something has been bugging me the last couple of days, I can never stay logged in on wikifur, everytime I revisit the site, I have to log back in and I can't figure out why? please let me know what is happening, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Something to do with your browser? You could try clearing out the cookies for wikia.com to see if that is the problem. They might have changed something on their end, though. I've not seen that problem recently myself. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Admissibility of [[Happy Feet]]-related articles ==

Hello,

When {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} created [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Diti&oldid=206809 this article] about me, I was pleased, of course. This event lead me to think more of the concept of this wiki, and it is actually very good. I now want to contribute on it as much as I do on Wikipedia.

I just wanted to know, since {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} wikified the word [[Happy Feet]], if we were allowed:
# To make an article about the [http://penguins.wikia.com/wiki/Happy_Feet_Fan_Forum Happy Feet Fan Forum], constituted by some furs, and perhaps more than we know. This page is under the GFDL as well, can I copy some informations from it? Where do the authors need to be credited? Talk page or article page?
# To put gigantic informations about this movie, a sort of analysis, and its application to the [[Furry fandom|fandom]]? Can we upload pictures, using the fair use act?

Thanks for your upcoming replies! :) [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:There's basically two options for the forum - either create [[Happy Feet]] and make the forum a subsection of that, or create [[Happy Feet Fan Forum]]. The normal thing to do is the latter - have a separate article for the forum. I would suggest tightening the language in the history section a little, though. It should concentrate on the facts, not subjective statements like "grew quickly" (how quickly?). The talk page should mention and link to the prior article.

:We tend not to do really huge articles about commercial works because Wikipedia does it better than us. We are not created to compete with them in their field of expertise - we would rather readers and editors went there instead. Therefore, what I would recommend is to make an article with an overview of the movie, but which concentrates ''specifically'' on the usage of Happy Feet within the furry fandom (which Wikipedia is not likely to cover), and then point people to [[Wikipedia:Happy Feet|Wikipedia's article]] in the "See also" section. Fair use is fine. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Blacklisted URL Causing Problems with Reverting Vandal Edit. ==

The Edit at [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069 http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069] shows blatant vandalism and was reported by my bot as made by a blacklisted user. The problem is there is a URL in the revert that is listed as one of Wikia blacklisted URLs and is preventing me from making the revert. Since you have the access level can you make the revert? [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please disregard this message I got the problem fixed on #wikia on Freenode. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Opening the door... ==

Question: How come there is an article on [[centaur]]s but not one on [[mermaid]]s? Recently, I was going to write a article about mermaids and I saw the log about it being deleted because it's "not furry". I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here but, a centaur is "top half human, lower half horse" (you know what I mean) and a mermaid is "half woman half fish" I seriously don't see the problem...

Is it because there are [[foxtaur]]s, [[skunktaur]]s and [[chakat]]s, and one would be very hard pressed to find a picture of a furry mermaid? Or because if an article on the mermaid is allowed, it'll open the door for articles on the lamia (half woman half snake), medusa, the harpy and anansi (part man, part spider I think)?

I'm confused... [[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 03:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

:Did you have a look at the past discussion on [[Talk:Mermaid]]? That might answer some of your questions. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realise that was a talk:Mermaid link...I still don't agree about why there isn't a mermaid entry though...[[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 22:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Toolbox in ru.wikifur.com ==
Hi, GreenReaper. Thank you for creating Wikifur.com itself and Russian language part! Toolbox on the left sidebar has wrong link to Upload file feature. It needs to be changed to [http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/Служебная:Upload Служебная:Upload].
As for now I have many questions to you about customization of ru.wikifur.com. Which way of contacting you is more appropriate for questions regarding ru.wikifur? (email, IRC, ICQ, maybe ru.talk page, any other) [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 07:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Ockham! My contact information is [http://greenreaper.livejournal.com/profile here] (make sure you are logged on). Email, IRC and/or ICQ is fine - I am always on the first two if awake. As for the images, the plan had been to upload all new images to the pool wiki, so that they could be used on all languages (like Wikimedia Commons) - but if you think that is not going to work I can change the link back. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])
One shared file repository is a good idea for saving server drive space. But motivation of anon users to register is lowered since no more extra feature of uploading files available. Ok, so be it. The second problem is russification of WikiFur namespace. ВикиФур: is counted like articles and may appear in Random articles. For example ru.wikipedia Википедия: is counted the same as in en.wikipedia Wikipedia:. [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 15:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, the disk space is not so important as the time. It takes work to translate a page. If you have to upload all of the images in it as well, that is more work. I would like to avoid that work for most images. People still need to register to use the image pool (but we would like to make it be just one registration for all WikiFur in the near future). If there is any interface text that needs to be changed on the pool wiki to help Russian contributors, I would be glad to do so. Images can still be uploaded locally by going directly to Special:Upload.
:The problem with ВикиФур: is that ВикиФур was not the name of the project namespace. WikiFur was, because that was the site name, and by default the site name is the name of the project namespace. I have changed the name of the site to ВикиФур and adjusted the database so that the pages already created are in the project namespace rather than the main namespace. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Google Analytics ==

I would have Google Analytics in my wikia wiki ([[:w:c:ilercavonia|Ilercavònia]]), what can I do? Can you help me, please??? Thank you very much! [[Usuari:Ebrenc| → ebrenc]] 10:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing to do is probably to ask community@wikia.com to enable the additional Analytics account for the wiki. You should set up an Analytics account and tell them the user ID that needs to be used, and the wiki that it is to be on. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Article deletion ==

I was wondering if you could delete [[User:Nekonaru Letao]] and [[Nekonaru Letao]]. I don't really want/need them anymore, and I'm trying to cut down the amount of information about me. If I just edit it out, it can be found in previous versions, but if it's deleted, then it's a bit harder to find.

[[User:Nekonaru Letao|Nekonaru Letao]] 18:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I can help you with this. Your User page is your area so it can be handled how you like. Your article can be handled under the [[WikiFur:PE|personal exclusion]] policy. If you change your mind, or a lesser exclusion would be acceptable(for instance, excluding the real name only), let any admin know. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 18:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== People blanking own articles - explanation template? ==

Hey there GreenReaper,

I just wanted to ask one thing: I think we all know that many people often just blank their own articles, either not knowing or not caring about exclusions. As far as I know this behavior is not really wanted by anyone of us, thus my question here: As those people have to be told about the possibility of an exclusion after they blanked their article without knowing, it is always somehow necessary to tell them, explain and direct them to the correct pages. so, is there maybe any template containing this informations, that could just be added to a user's talkpage AFTER they tried blanking their own article? This would make explaining easier and much faster I guess.
I think that'd be a nice idea, just as a suggestion of mine. Have a nice day, greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 07:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think there is one at this time. You're welcome to start one, and add it to [[WikiFur:Templates]]! Just remember, it can be a good idea to personalize the information and often it's better to try and follow up with them directly rather than leaving a note on their talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Finding all pages linking to an article ==

Hey there, just another question from me. I know that, of course, it's important to change all links if you moved an article to a new name so everything keeps working fine. Thus my question: Is is somehow possible to see all pages linking to a specific article, like it is shown at uploaded pictures? Or which way can this be handled otherwise, as I think just searching for the corresponding word in the article search is not working very well. Thanks for your answer in advance. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 11:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi, RealZero. The toolbox on the left side of the page should have What links here. It leads to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:GreenReaper and should work for any page--just put that page name after the final slash. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ahh, stupid me proved his blindness again I guess. Thanks very much for the answer *bows*. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 19:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== file-template ==

The german version of the file-upload -page mentions a template named
"Dateiinfo" to be used. That template does not exist and it is strange to find one with a german name here.
Could this be a mistake my owolf, trying to add it to de.furry.wikia.com instead? --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:It is odd . . . that page was not created by any user, but instead has been set as the default for that message in German on all wikis. In fact, it is incorrect in several ways (for example, it is not just free images that should be uploaded). If you can to translate the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext|English one]], I would be glad to put that on instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::I added a translation to my talk-page. --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== ru.wikifur ==
Registered =^.^=
# can I has admeen rollez plz? :))
# interwiki works from ru to en but not the other way?
# how do we transfer images from here to commons? There are quite a few that we need to share. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 13:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I also have this question regarding file transfert on WikiFur Commons (how do we name this website, by the way?). Is that possible to keep '''image''' history while transferring? Also, what about '''page''' history, that we have to ''export'' then ''import'' (which requires sysop rights on Commons) to not to violate GFDL license? [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:#Yes, just be careful with them. No running with scissors!
:#<s>It does for now, yes. I will ask. In the worst case, we can fix it up fairly easily with [[metawikipedia:pywikipediabot|pywikipediabot]] at a later date.</s> es: and ru: have now been added on furry.wikia.com. I will be using [[User:ReaperBot]] to apply interwiki links.
:#I recommend using pywikipediabot's [[metawikipedia:imagetransfer.py|imagetransfer.py]] using [http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:Wikifur-family.py wikifur-family.py]. It adds a digest of page history for GFDL compliance. I have enabled sysop access, though you may create a bot account if you prefer (let me know and I will add it to the bot group).
:Right now, it is called the pool wiki, or the shared image wiki. There has also been a suggestion of calling it the furpile, though I am unsure whether that would work or not. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==request from RVDDP2501 - name change==

Hey GreenReaper, i'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could change a article name for me, can you change the 'Eve' article - http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Eve - to 'Eve Mahn' - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1635852/ - I'll be updating the picture shortly, thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Polish wikifur ==

Simple question. What i have to do to lunch a polish version of wikifur?

:''Handled in chat. For anyone else interested in starting a new language, just grab me in #wikifur or otherwise get in contact and we can sort it out.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

В моей стране, вы будете здесь, чтобы сделать этот сайт [[Special:Contributions/94.117.88.218|94.117.88.218]] 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well, we already have a [[:ru:|Russian WikiFur]]. Fortunately there are people who live there who are helping to make it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== /index.php? ==

Thanks for spotting that redirect problem - you're right that fullurl should have been used, but I've also fixed our .htaccess files so it shouldn't happen again. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Of course, that won't be necessary when the move is complete - in fact I think it will have to be undone then. So was it really necessary? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe not, but I said it would work before and after the move, and I like to keep my promises about such things. Plus, it only took a few minutes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inserted redirects to templates instead of regular template. ==

Hey there GreenReaper,
I have a question regarding templates in articles: 
Many articles, like for example [[Gathering of the Gargoyles]] have some kind of redirect-text to a template in them, in this case for the inappropriate template, instead of the actual template "image". Is this some kind of error and should be changed if one comes across them, or does this actually has some kind of sense? Thanks in advance for your answer, I hope I haven't missed anything obvious again. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 15:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

:{{tl|Appropriate}} was moved to {{tl|Inappropriate}} without changing the template pages which redirected to {{tl|Appropriate}} as well. Templates only follow redirects once. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[:es:Central WikiFur|Central WikiFur]] ==

There are almost [[:es:Special:Longpages|150 articles]] on the wiki right now - are any of them good enough to show or link on the front page? You could look at how the other wikis have done it; there are many ways. [[:es:Usuario:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] 09:50 9 nov 2008 (UTC)

:I'm working on the new design of the front page. I'm trying to take the best from the Russian model and apply it to the English model (the fact that I don't know Russian is not stopping me). --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 21:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==?==
Was the cake is a lie the same dude from wikia that was vandalising Charitwo's user page? [[User:GroceryBag|G]][[User Talk:GroceryBag|B]] 21:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:All signs point to yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

How about reconsidering me or just flat out removing and getting rid of the entire article about me? I'm sick of being a part of WikiFur, I've told you countless times that I do not want my name on here, please remove me.

--Mozdoc

==SVG==
What version of ImageMagick is installed on the WikiFur servers? I just tried to rasterize http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Argentina.svg locally with ImageMagick 6.3.7 and it works like a charm. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:Version: ImageMagick 6.4.4 2008-10-21 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2008 ImageMagick Studio LLC. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

::Turns out my local install of ImageMagick was using the rsvg libraries. So that's the reason the conversion worked fine.
::I just tried a locally-compiled version on some flags, and found that most do not render correctly (except very simple ones, such as the [[wikipedia:Commons:Image:Flag of Italy.svg|flag of Italy]]). Should I upload correctly-rendered PNG flags instead of the SVG files? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 02:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Would probably be the easiest solution. Rendered versions can be lifted from Wikipedia's previews. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== hay ==

what's up

i went to this link: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:GreenReaper

and it gave me this:

"Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable
Guru Meditation:

XID: 401948741
Varnish"

;_;

:Yeah, it does that sometimes. Wikia's caching software is still slightly unstable. Try forcing your browser to refresh the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::ok cool thx it works now i can see --entitythatwrotethemessage

== Greeting ==

Hi! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Ddevore|Ddevore]] ([[User talk:Ddevore|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ddevore|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:Welcome! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== DNP Request ==

Hello Greenreaper, I understand you are in charge of this website. I wish to have my entry (under the alter ego "BullGator") deleted, locked and added to your site's "DNP" equivalent due to a pair of trolls who are continuing to vandalise the entry. As my involvement in the furry community has now evolved to virtual zero and I have no interest in childish edit wars, I look forward to instructions as to how a DNP request is to be formally undertaken.
[[User:BullGator|BullGator]] 09:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I have posted the exclusion request on the talk page, and will perform the exclusion proper within 24 hours unless further debate arises. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Automatic spam filter blocking edit ==

Hey there Green Reaper, 
I wanted to edit the article [[Furry Hosting]] and change the links at the bottom so that they actually link to the website. The problem here is, that the wiki's automated spam filter blocks the given URL. Could you somehow link the links or tell me what to do about this? Thanks in advance, greetings [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 22:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:I've added it to [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|the whitelist]] and edited the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Featured picture ==

Darn you Reaper! I was just editing that! Now I know what it feels like to be you! {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 01:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dill Eat my page ==

Hello. I am Hamsterchan. Or hamster...or thegreathamster...or Sabbath Da Frog....I would really appreciate if you could delete "Sabbath Da Frog"'s page, please. Its no longer desired. Any other links I made to my comics needs to go, too. I'm sure you need the bandwidth. Thank you. -[[User:Hamsterchan|Hamsterchan]]

:''Responded in email''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Frida Åhman Article ==

Greetings. I tried to remove my article, as I no longer wish to be on this site, but it got reverted. Could you please exculde me? I haven't been active in the fandom for a very long time, and probably won't be any time soon. [[User:Gnistra|Gnistra]] 12:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Done, much belatedly. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==Happy Holidays!==
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! [[User:Fangusu|Fangusu]] 15:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pool not working? ==

See my change: [[Love_Can_Be_Different]]. Worked in RU but not here... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 00:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:That is because the pool is not used by Wikia-hosted wikis. You must upload the image here as well. This limitation will only be removed once migration has been completed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:: Also, stuff from Wikicommons does properly show on Pool, but not on RU? -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Not really sure where you got that idea. It shouldn't show up anywhere, because we're not linked to Wikimedia Commons. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::: Oh I got it. Somebody helpfully uploaded Image:Red copyright.svg from commons to here... I was wondering because my [[:Template:Message box]] designs from wiki* started working here magically... But! The main question was: why copyright image shows on http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Simba_pic.jpg and not on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? The image is in the pool, so it puzzles me... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::: Well, it does show up for me. :-) Maybe you need to force a refresh/clear cache? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Again, you sure the '''red ©''' shows in the message box on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? Doesn't for me, and I tried it in IE and it turns out it tries to get http://ru.wikifur.com/w/images/thumb/1/1d/Red_copyright.svg/60px-Red_copyright.svg'''.png''' -- which is weird... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Ah, I see what you mean. No, it is not visible, the template is pointing to a local URL (that's the thumbnail for the image). Looks like a MediaWiki bug. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: So can you please investigate? I believe it works on wikipedia cluster. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 16:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners protection ==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry if this may seem overboard but I was wondering if it would be possible to try and protect the Extinctioners wiki article as I have just learned in recent hours that everything extinctioners as been 'attacked' by a hacker(s), everything from Yahoo groups being deleated to Shawntae Howard's own FA & DA acounts being wiped clean. I hope I don;t come across as acting paranoid but from the looks of things, it seems some one is gunning for Extinctioners and the wiki article could be a target, you can read the report/forum on FA here - http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=35514 - Please let me know what you feel should be done, thank you and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ah ok I see, thanks, I guess I was a little worried that if someone could hack their way into FA, DA and the yahoo groups and mess around to the extent they did, they could do something permanent here as well, I guess I was a little jumpy, thanks again and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Help with image ==

Hi there,

I uploaded a few images of my fursuits, but didn't realize under after I'd done it that "rat.jpg" and "panther.jpg" was far too general a file name - is there any way to change the names? Or, is there any way to delete these files so I can re-upload them with more appropriate names?

Also, I hope this is where I'm supposed to ask this, I'm not very wiki-savvy.

Thanks,
--[[User:Wggthegnoll|Wgg the Gnoll]] 18:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sure, I've deleted those for you. There's no way to move images at this time, although I understand that functionality is being developed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Webring ==

Hi,

Please advise why you dumped my Webring code. I put it back, because I thought it was a great idea to have the Hyper Police page in the Hyper Police Ring. I didn't even know that this place existed until I did a Hyper Police search and I am sure that there are lots of others that don't know about it either, so a Webring is a great way to bring more traffic here. I hope you will let me keep it here. Also, I have seen other Webrings on here.

Thank you,

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 03:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:A webring is not useful for a wiki article on a topic because it is basically a replacement for a set of links. These links should instead be placed in the article's external links section of the article if they are of sufficient relevance and contain useful information, and not linked at all if they are not.

:Webrings were great for finding relevant sites ten years ago. They're pretty much redundant with search, now. If you find one on here, you are welcome to replace it with specific links to useful websites on the ring. We're not interested in being part of any. If websites find us useful, they're welcome to link directly if they wish.

:We do cover them at [[:Category:Web rings]], but only because the more long-running webrings have become valid encyclopedic topics by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your reply.

I have been involved with Webring ever since its inception and I find it quite insulting of you to put down all my hard work with them like that. I run some 40 rings, myself and have lots of friends there. I feel very sad that you don't welcome us here...

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 04:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Noriko

:I'm sorry, but it is my honest opinion. We're here to provide information. A webring that you just created provides no additional value over direct links to the relevant sites. It is therefore redundant and so was removed from the article.

:I also feel it is inappropriate for us to be part of webrings that relate to our article content, as it implicitly promotes a particular group of websites related to that topic. We do not participate in link exchanges or banner trading either. The links we provide are based solely on the quality of the sites' content, and are not for sale or exchange. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== RL name linked against noted wishes ==

Sebkha apparently put my truename on and it redirects to Zjonni. The notes on Zjonni expressly say I don't want that, but it appears this was done a month before the do-not-want note and not caught when I put the note up. I can edit the redirect page, but cannot apparently, erase it. Can you kindly make it go away?

Thanks!

Feel free to mail me if you aren't sure which page I am talking about.

:It has been removed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

==Frank Gembeck==

I think we need a second opinion on some edits to [[Frank Gembeck]] - see discussion in [[User talk:86.164.155.151]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:We have removed similar law enforcement not deemed furry in the past (I just wipe [[Sibe]] ones, as noted by the original op). Some kind of notice of his "departure" from the fandom and the law should be noted - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::FYI... The discussion in question has been moved to [[Talk:Frank Gembeck]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Page removal ==

Hello, I'd like for you to please remove http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/A%C3%AFda_de_Ridder

I do no longer draw furries or am associated with the fandom, so please remove me.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:77.166.162.214|77.166.162.214]] ([[User talk:77.166.162.214|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/77.166.162.214|contribs]]) .

:''Confirming identity via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Another name ? ==

Hello GreenReaper.
I'm Kiba the Fox, an user from the french-speaking WikiFur, and a member of Francefurs. I'd like to change my WikiFur nickname, would it be possible ?

[[User:Kiba the Fox|Kiba the Fox]] 08:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Kiba! It is not possible for me to change your user nickname on Wikia-hosted wikis. However, you can create another account and then put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[User:Your new name]]</nowiki> on it to direct people to that account. Bear in mind that usernames are shared through all wikia.com sites, so your new name will need to be distinctive. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
: Okay, I've just created my new account. Thanks ! ;)
[[User:Benjamin Foxtails|Benjamin Foxtails]] 09:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thanks ^^ i look forward to talking to you more.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys,

I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!

Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys, I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!
Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

:I'll have a chat with them . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thankyou ^^

== Suspicious new account activity ==

There have been several recent new user accounts with names that look fishy to me, and I'd suggest being on our guard that their originator may be setting up to spam the site or launch a bot attack. Do you have the ability to run an IP trace on their origins? Do you think it would be overreacting to preemptively block them?

The accounts in question:
*{{user|CaoloRicro}}
*{{user|SitboDarle}}
*{{user|DomgeTcaer}}
*{{user|CzelbOcoue}}
*{{user|OucaaClicb}}
*{{user|LaeltOuelr}}
*{{user|RolorLiboc}}
*{{user|LiccoErdel}}
*{{user|DeldeLouli}}
*{{user|LetocAtatr}}
*{{user|ChizeLmonc}}
*{{user|RaczeLlido}}
*{{user|TacamOnerd}}
*{{user|AlgetDomno}}
*{{user|OlolaRacca}}
*{{user|NoeltLinod}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:Several people have mentioned this now. I'll check it out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::Sounds good. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Multiple registrations and proxies. Block'd. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::There seem to be quite a lot of non-active, new account creations in May, specially in the last two weeks - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like we have some more coming in. Could you run Checkuser on these guys?:
*{{user|MontaOuouc}}
*{{user|CadomChino}}
*{{user|VizelBocac}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'll contact the necessary people at Wikia, as that requires staff access. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Same user agent, and an unusual one. Blocked. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Zillercon 10 ==

you might could add zillercon 10 to the list on the mainpage. ;) -- ><)))°>

:Done! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

*giggle*.... its in austria. not in australia. thats a slightly difference of 10000 miles. :)

:Well, if they are so different they should not be named so similarly! :-p --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Delete page ==

Hello, My name is Jarett Humphrey. I am a board of director for Helping Pawz. A page has been added to WikkiFur with out our permission and I need it to be deleted. Helpiing Pawz is not a furry group and has no furry association. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Please reply to me by e-mail as I do not have a wikkifur page.

Jarett
''email address removed''

:''Replying by email. Readers should note that the advance permission of subjects is neither sought nor required for WikiFur articles, particularly for public non-profit organizations.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:: ''Helpiing Pawz ... has no furry association.''
:: What nonsense. Many (if not all) of the performers are members of the furry fandom ([[Kodi_(Canada)|1]], [[Orwin|2]], [[Thumper|3]], [[Lace Aurora|4]], [[Aphinity|5]], etc), and they have worn their costumes at several furry conventions.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::The point does remain that they're allowed to have themselves excluded, though, Higgs. Just like lots of other furs and groups have requested, But, just throwing that out there. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

::::There is a big difference between an individual and a registered association. Note also that the people making the edits to our articles about the performers did not appear to be the individuals concerned, but a representative of the association, who is not permitted to assert any exclusion rights for those pages. I think we have since found an option that may satisfy them, though; see the [[Talk:Helping Pawz|relevant talk page]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Page: [[Raykese]] ==

Hey, GR. I tried undoing a blanking on the page [[Raykese]], suggesting that user Slicktified contact an admin about getting it removed instead. He instead re-blanked the page. Is there something we can do about this? --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:I deleted the page because it was already marked as potentially inappropriate and I agreed. To answer the more general question, we'll be getting [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] shortly that should allow an automated response to that kind of action. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Innacuracy posted by a troll ==

There is a person who posted a paragraph that needs refuted for inaccuracy. This person is a troll from YouTube that several times has twisted peoples words and used them out of context. The link to the user's page (which contains the info in question) is furry.wikia.com/wiki/Paxil_rose

As a side note i need to state that paxilrose is a banned youtube troll who would argue with furries for months. His original account was youtube.com/user/paxilrose. If you check that link you will see he was put on permanent suspension. Also paxilrose isn't even a furry, so why should he have a wikifur page anyway unless it was strictly to talk just about him and nobody else? This isn't TrollWiki or ED. Accuracy and Cleanness exist here.

The middle paragraph about wolfeedarkfang, is inaccurate. Heres several things i can find wrong with it just by glancing.

"a profile on BeastForum was found belonging to Wolfee Darkfang"
This was never proven. He wishes it was though, and will say and do anything to make it look like it.

"Wolfee created various sockpuppet accounts"
This was also never proven. You can't tell who is who on the internet without seeing their faces. The problem here is he wants it to look like anyone who sticks up for me on YouTube is a fake so that it looks like i have no real supporters in his drama.

A little commentary. This doesn't have to account for anything but I want to quote this.
"paxilrose joined Fur Affinity forums to regal furries with tales of his exploits and to offer warnings to those who may take the furry fandom too serious"
I've been told throughout the years by other furs that FAF has been taken over by trolls for some time. So a troll goes to a furry forum taken over by trolls to get the furries to stop being trolled while also trolling furries himself in the past... Sounds like more of the same old stuff. >.<

[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 21:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:The appropriate venue for this conversation is [[Talk:Paxil rose]]. I suggest you post comments there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I find Darkfangs request to be out of line. As stated, this is a fairly well known scandal involving him, and thus is as relevant as the Furry War page. The pictures are accurate accounts of events (the profile and admission, respectively) and I will point out Darkfangs own user page for additional information, since he's written quite a bit on the subject himself with far less references. Given that this is openly a user edited wiki, I strongly disagree that "unauthorized" use of his name is even an issue.

I also want to cite the user page of the furry known as Sibe. This individual has quite a negative reputation based on his actions, yet somehow these actions are deemed relevant enough to warrant being added to his page. The same standards should be held for Wolfee Darkfang. I, however, am at least giving him the privilege of not having it on his primary page (though if Sibe's antics are somehow important enough to be allowed on his page, I think the same should go for Darkfang).

If relevance to my page is the only cocnern, I'd be more than happy to make a new page for it. However, the admins of this site should make themselves clear whether this is an issue of relevance in regards to certain pages, or whether they believe some controversial members actions are acceptable material to mention and others are not and why they think that is. --Paxilrose 16:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The point is the article needs to be strictly about you, and not me. I do not wissh information to be here about me unless i authorize it's presence. especially when it's written by a known troll who has it out for me.
[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 17:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)Wolfeedarkfang

Excuse me Mr Fang, but I do believe you yourself use your page to defame "furry haters" Empiroqkriticizmus and Jumpacliff2. I assume you got their permission before putting them there?

Other than that, I stand by my original statements. The sections as relevant as the furry war and far less slanderous than the Sibe article. You know as well as I that I can and will go out and source every other sentence in the article, so inaccuracy isn't the issue either.--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== User registration IP lookup ==

How does someone with regular admin privs like me look up the IP address that a new user registered from? Or is that a capability that is only available to "super-admins" and wikia support? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:On Wikia, the [[metawikipedia:Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] privilege is reserved to staff. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

==Request to send a private message==

I have something in regards to my "inaccurate" page I believe will help my case, but would like to hand it off to you privately so that it can't be deleted before you get a chance to see if. How would I go about giving this to you?--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

==WikiTrust greenreaper?==

If this is the same person who posted http://code.google.com/p/wikitrust/issues/detail?id=29 [email removed to avoid spam] would like to contact you.
:''Responded via email'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Returning to WikiFur ==

Hello. A while back I requested to have my name put on the personal exclusion list. I would like to have that removed, so I can re-post my article. No hurry, but thank you for help.
--[[User:Patrickrobbins|Patrickrobbins]] 01:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''Confirming via registered email account.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Reply to "Cut the fluff" ==

Quentin "editor of ANTHRO" Long here. Thank you for looking over ANTHRO and offering suggestions on how to reduce the zine's download time! Alas, three of your five suggestions are out of the question, and one of the remaining two may or may not be fully usable...
:Well, one is a lot better than none! I suspect the first two will be no trouble, and fortunately they would also have the most impact.
Enable GZip compression: If this can be fine-tuned to ''not'' mess with graphics, I like it a lot. Since I make a point of tryna reduce the filesize of graphic images just because, I am unsure how much more "hot air" ''can'' be squoze out of the zine's graphics WITHOUT mucking up the visual quality thereof. Also, it's worth noting that compressing a compressed file tends to yield results ranging from "insignificantly small additional reduction" to "BOOSTED filesize"... Anywho, I will look into this. Regardless of the effects on graphics, ''text'' (such as HTML files) compresses down ''real'' good, so this may be a win no matter what.
:Normally you would scope it to the file types you wanted to cover (e.g. HTML/CSS/JS, and ''not'' any compressed images or other files) - see [http://www.g-loaded.eu/2008/05/10/use-mod_deflate-to-compress-web-content-delivered-by-apache/ here] for an example.
Enable far-future cache control expiry: Sounds interesting, and whatever downsides it may have are, at the very least, highly inobvious. I am unsure how to do this thing (my webhost is GoDaddy, for what that's worth), but I will look into it.
:You could ask them - it's likely that you can add an Apache directive or two to a .htaccess file in the directory concerned (and that's probably the way you'd end up enabling gzip as well). An example of WikiFur's expiry settings:
<LocationMatch ^/favicon\.(ico|png)$>
ExpiresActive On
ExpiresDefault A34560000
</LocationMatch>
Use styled text in place of graphic headers: Not gonna happen. I want my titles to be Avant Garde Bold with seriously tight kerning; given the brute fact that it's a crapshoot whether or not J. Random Websurfer even ''has'' AGB installed on his machine in the first place, let alone whether or not his browser can do letterspacing properly, I think graphic-text titles are the least-worst way to ensure that ''every'' reader gets to see the titles the way said titles are ''supposed'' to be.
:If not for the fact that MSIE uses a proprietary font embedding format instead of plain TrueType/OpenType like everyone does, there would be a less worse way to ensure a reasonable number of reader can see the custom font. In the meantime, [[wikipedia:en:sIFR]] seems to be a neat hack. --<ruby><rb lang="ja">[[User:NekoYasha|猫夜叉]]</rb><rp>「</rp><rt style="font-size:6pt">[[User_talk:NekoYasha|ネコヤシャ]]</rt><rp>」</rp></ruby> 16:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Replace graphic elements with CSS: Not gonna happen. CSS works very well indeed whenever it ''does'' work... but when it doesn't, God only knows what you may end up with on your screen. From where I sit, CSS is a crapshoot and I just don't want to roll that pair of dice.
:Fair enough. Just understand the cost - the user has to download all those images. The cost can be reduced by combining images into a CSS sprite and using background-position to specify a portion of it for the image element, but that of course requires that you use CSS.
Convert main logo to PNG: Not gonna happen. One of my standard browsers ''crashes on contact with PNG-format graphics files.'' Yes, this browser is seriously old. If you think I should blow off those readers who ''aren't'' using This Year's Latest And Greatest Browser, well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree, is all.
:I'm confused - are you referring to ''Internet Explorer 4''? The one which [http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp last had a noticeable percentage of users] in 2002? IE6 isn't the best with alpha-blended PNGs (though there are workarounds), but for GIF-replacement you just need to save them as indexed-mode (256-color) PNGs anyway. Sites like Yahoo and Wikipedia (and WikiFur) use such images right on the front page.
:I suggest looking at what browsers your users are actually using - if you have log files, they should be able to provide this information. For this site, IE versions older than IE6 have less than 0.05% of the audience, and all of them are IE5. We get more visits from the PlayStation 3, and I didn't even know that ''had'' a web browser. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Tipp ==
I'd be glad to post irc logs of him harssing me and my friends on various networks. He seems to do the same. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:WikiFur is not intended as a primary source. Please post them elsewhere and provide links, perhaps on the talk page associated with the article. Bear in mind that we may have a different idea of what constitutes harassment, especially given that you seem to be attempting to escalate the conflict through your editing. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

: That's not true at all. If you want a wiki based on truth, you may as well mention the truth, no matter how ugly it is. You have articles on [[Sibe]] harassing and trolling others... Tipp is just another in a long line of furs that hate other furs. I'll post the logs on my website, and use those as references. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::Take it to [[Talk:Tipp]] the talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Already done. [[User:RingtailedFox|RingtailedFox]] 17:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== from forza ==
LOL sorry about the size i got carried away!
Can I make a history/story page and link to it from within the wiki page for the character?
:We're not really a story hosting site - and you probably wouldn't want us to be, either, as all the stuff on here is editable. If you really want, you could login and create a page at [[User:Forza Ninetails/History]] (click the link to create it). But what would probably be best is to make it into a story and then post it on somewhere like [[Yiffstar]]/[[Anthrostar]], [[Fur Affinity]] or [[FurRag]], then summarize the events in the story and make a link to it so that people can read more if they want. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks GreenReaper. I have to go to work in a few minutes but I'll do that tomorrow when I wake up :> thanks for the links!

== from steam ==
Hi I know you get rogue edits on here, and I am sure its a pain cleaning them up, I just wanted to bring up an issue that was half resolved to which I had no idea of.

Either a troll or the guy who uses the same name as me posted all his about him over mine, and I have been cleaned up and given this ugly tag saying my location, now while I understand you need to separate furs to build up the wiki, I do not believe another fur should lay take to a name I have been using since recorded at 12/1/2007 in Second Life but generally before this in real life.

Also it turns out I registered at furaffinity 3 days after him but could only use the name steampunkgears or I would have used steam, I have seen to have been a fur from 2006 in Second Life.

Now generally I take this issue as one of identity fraud and because I have registered here as steam before him and because this wiki is taken as a form of registration on furs and information I want my URL put back to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Steam not http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Steam_%28United_Kingdom and I would like it locked so only I can edit it.

The URL has been changed into a This is a disambiguation page — a navigational aid which lists pages that might otherwise share the same title. If an article link referred you here, you might want to go back and fix it to point directly to the intended page.

But I do not accept Steam Furrys would use that title and I do not accept that steam the game software needs to be published on a furry wiki the only issue is one of rights and hes proved he has no rights to that name due to trying to force his way in though my page posting about himself.

These are quotes from what he added about himself or what ever.

"Steam is not to be confused with the superior and much more sexy/charming/awesome/origional Steam, who is just all around better than this lion thing. raccoons ftw."

"He however contains Lion tendencies and when needed can stand up for himself, unless confronted by a certain raccoon who has like freaky robot stuff everywhere, whats up with that? Can you even call that a fursona? Damn right you can, cause whos going to argue with a guy who's left nostril can second in use as a mixed drink dispenser? certainly not me. "

4chan?

"The all around better Steam who isnt a lion is a former mod of 4chan from 2005-2007. I know what you're thinking HELL YA LETS GET DRUNK AND FUCK CATS! however unlike the lion, raccoon Steam looks down on such behavior and prefers to drink unsweetened teas and black coffee. Why unsweetened? because raccoon steam had his sweet tastebuds ripped off by a freezer, thats why. wanna fight about it?"

"The other steam owns a fucking bar, a biker bar. You want to mess with a bunch of drunk bikers? yes you do, they arent that bad once you get over the assless chaps."

Is this a troll or the real guy or is this him being retarded? and ego tripping about himself and using another account to do it. To which I see is not banned due to griefing me through my own all ready established profile.

You could also say I am ego tripping but I do not have an ego lol, only a personal fursona I have been building and evolving since before 2006 recorded via sl registration as a fur.

If you can not fulfill this request please do at least see what or who has been forceing all that into my profile with the alt account? because I do not aggree with disrespect like that when he could have left me a message and we could have worked it out.

At this point if it was his IP that edited his stuff in either on an alt or his new profile, this is unacceptable to allow to continue.

The bottom line is I was here before him and if he was using steam before me, I do not accept it was in the tense of a fursona, or he would have been on here before me.

[[User:Steam_(United_Kingdom)|Steam_(United_Kingdom)]]

== Full Control Over MY page ==

I want full and complete control over my page here so that I may be the only one to edit it.

--Mozdoc

== Username Change Request ==

Hiya! You know I've been wanting to do this for quite some time, so here I am. I'd like to change my username to "Softpaw", please :-) -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 09:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yay! Thank you so much :-D -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 11:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::Also, may I update my old signatures in my prior Talk posts to reflect the change? I'm not a fan of redirects. -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 15:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::That's fine as far as I'm concerned. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Please merge ==

Please merge Meow of Chita into Meow. >.<
:Already done! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Preview ==

Thanks for the advise =)! I pretty much already click "show preview" before saving what I'm happy with but I make a lot of changes in my editing. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by the page history, could you please explain this a little further? I'm new to Wikifur so the more I know the better and it helps to chat with someone who has experience in this =3.

Thanks!

-Wolven Claw
:Each page has its own history - click the "history" tab at the top to see. You can use it to go forwards and backwards in the revisions, seeing what's changed. All changes are listed in the global recent changes linked on the left, and people will often check the revisions that have been made. It's easier to do that if these are all made in one go, as far as possible. If you want some help, I'd suggest dropping into [[Special:IRC|IRC]], as there's usually someone around there. Oh, and you can sign your name with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, giving a result like this: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Citations for Roma-V ==
Hello, on my page there are certain areas with [citation needed]. How do I change this? Do I need to provide proof of actions, and if so, how can I do that.
Thanks ^.^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Roma-V|Roma-V]] ([[User talk:Roma-V|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roma-V|contribs]]) .
:Well, that's a good question - I'm not sure it's something we'd cover at all unless it had some kind of documented proof, as it's not exactly complimentary. :-) Maybe LJ posts or logs? You can add a reference link like this . . . [continued on talk] --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== RSS? ==

Hiya! I was trying to update my newsreader for the new Wikifur, only to find that there's no RSS feed here. Will one be added/enabled? And if not, why? -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 15:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes there is. Go to [[Special:Recentchanges]] - they're linked in the sidebar - or just alter your current URLs to have a /w/ at the front. They are not published in every page because the link then takes up space in every page, even when the vast majority of people don't know about it or don't want it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== Rollback Privileges/Usergroup ==

Hello again! Sorry for all the messages on your talk page, but this seems to be the most effective way to reach you about Wikifur-related stuff. Anyway, the rollback usergroup doesn't seem to exist, so I no longer have rollback privileges. Thus, I tried to undo some vandalism on the Transformers article, only to find that there's a spam-listed URL, and regular Undo can't be used. -- ''[[User:Softpaw|Natasha Softpaw]]'' ( [[User_talk:Softpaw|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Softpaw|contribs]] ) 07:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nice. I've made the group again. Your privileges were transferred, they just weren't active because it doesn't exist. And talk pages are the right place. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Contact info ==

Hi. I couldn't find an email address to contact the administrators for this site. Could you please provide me with one? I need to get in touch with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Mickel|Mickel]] ([[User talk:Mickel|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mickel|contribs]]) .
:You can just [[Special:EmailUser/GreenReaper|drop me an email]] if you are logged in with an account that has an email address [[Special:Preferences|set and verified]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Camp Feral! and Feral! 2010 ==

Heyas! I'm not very good at this...I created a page with info on Feral! 2010 but am unsure how to add the link to the right-side box with dates from 1998 to 2009...any other advice you could offer regarding updating a page like the Camp Feral! page would be greatly appreciated :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Potoroo|Potoroo]] ([[User talk:Potoroo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Potoroo|contribs]]) .
:Hey, Potoroo - welcome to WikiFur! The page to edit is [[Template:Feral]] - you can just copy the last two lines before the footer. In general, if it's <nowiki>{{X}}</nowiki> on the page, you edit <nowiki>[[Template:X]]</nowiki>. If you need any more [[help]], let me know. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners Image licensing information ==

Hey GreenReaper, I need your help, because of the licensing information useing on the extinctioners image, an RPG magazine or something has gone and used extinctioners images found here onwikifur, i need you help to change the information so that the image are protected and not fair use, all information about this matter can be found here - http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/936790/ - I have spoken to shawntae on FA to which the licensing should be more like this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marvelwolverine.jpg - please tell me what I should do, I wish to resolve this matter before it gets any worse, I really need your help on this - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:OK. I had a chat with the OTRS guys who can see that ticket, and they state that it was a murky "Sure, you have permission to use this on Wikipedia" email. As no license was specified, the original upload under GFDL was invalid, so there is no problem with you removing it. You should go through each of the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&contribs=user&target=RVDDP2501&namespace=6 images you have uploaded] and replace the ConfirmationImageOTRS tag with a fair-use one. You probably want this to be {{tl|fursona}} (or in a few cases {{tl|comic-panel}}). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, you do not need to do this. I have set a bot to do it for you. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you so much! I have sent a message to Shawntae on FA informing him of your changes, I will let you know what he says and if this hopefully set things right - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 10:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Second edit not vandalism. ^^ ==

My second edit wasn't vandalism.
Both links in the Chew Fox article linking to the two seperate journal entries on FA have the SAME url.
I saved the URL of the original journal before FA went down.
My edit was simply fixing the URL to the correct one, albeit the posting cannot be accessed anymore. ^^
:Noted, but you still changed it to "9000" when it wasn't. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:09, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, I just noticed that. The first time was for the laughs, the second time was me editing the article concurrently while you were also reverted the first set of changes and mindlessly ignoring the concurrency error. Sorry about that. ^^;

== Request for Review ==
As it's impossible to leave Spirou a message on his Talk page, and requests for review are being ignored on the article's talk pages, I'll once again point out the [[Forum:Popping_%28Under_revision%29 | draft page]] is now ready for review. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 14:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== Thank You and Page Help ==

Thank you so much for helping me with my page (I believe it was you) I really appreciate it and my page looks so much better as a result. I was wondering, though, is there a place that I can go that has the information on how to make the editions that you did? It would be greatly appreciated as I would like to expand my page just a bit, for example, adding subsections and such. Any help you can offer would be great!

...also, if I did this incorrectly, I apologize :( I'm still learning the hang of this and really hope that I haven't somehow botched this up. Apologies in advance if that is the case :(

Thanks a bunch! ^_^ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:KittMouri|KittMouri]] ([[User talk:KittMouri|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KittMouri|contribs]]) .

:Sure thing - have a look at the [[Help:Contents|help section]], and in particular the [[Help:Editing|editing]] and [[Help:Furry Book of Style|style guide]]. There are links to more information at the bottom. Oh, and on talk pages, you can sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end, like this: --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thank you so much! I will check these things out and work a bit more on my page! Thank you! *hugs* ... *tries out signature thing*

[[User:KittMouri|KittMouri]] 21:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Conviction==
User AlmightyTora is intentionally trying to cover up new, important information discovered about him: that he is a convicted pedophile.
This information passes the "non-public figure" and "no posting of personally detrimental yet factual" litmus tests because 1) The information is very public, provided by a governmental website, 2) Due to his activity in conventions, including ones where minors attend, it is very important that individuals are informed about his conviction in order to make sound decisions to limit his possibility of further sexual abuse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Isopodic|Isopodic]] ([[User talk:Isopodic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Isopodic|contribs]]) .

:''Responded (generally) on [[Talk:TORA|talk page]].''

==Welcome==

Nice to meet you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Snyde|Snyde]] ([[User talk:Snyde|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Snyde|contribs]]) .

== heads up: stale official pages ==

I just noticed a few official wikifur pages that still refer to the old wikia host.

Check my edit history for one attempt I made to update things, but the admins will probably need to go through manually and double check. Plus I'm not about to make a habit on messing with important pages.

Just a heads up that there's obsolete information present in official Wikifur documentation.

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 03:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:I thought I'd gone through and changed those, but think I missed them because I hadn't set the appropriate search options. Thanks for the heads-up. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== help with template ==

I followed the directions for the prod subst, using <nowiki>{{subst:prod|reason}}</nowiki> as directed and it spit back an error.

Is the template glitchy or did I goof up?

The attempts were made on the espernet article, if you need to check any logs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Shentino|Shentino]] ([[User talk:Shentino|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shentino|contribs]]) .

:I've fixed things up so {{tl|prod}} should now work. It's never really been used that much, in part because "notability" per-se is not generally a concern for WikiFur. We care more about whether or not it has any relevance to furry fandom, and we have a [[WikiFur:About|relatively low limit]] on how much is required. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Personal exclusion for Crusader Cat ==

[[Crusader Cat]] has made a request on my user talk page that I'm interpreting as a request for personal exclusion. His is not an obvious case to justify denying the request, but it's certainly a little iffy. What do you think? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 05:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think you should probably open up a discussion on [[Talk:Crusader Cat]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== self rfd ==

I just spoke with the fur in question, kaoru, and he was not in any condition for me to mention that I had created an article about him. As of right now he isn't even aware of this article's existence and I think he would be very upset if he found out that I was the one that created it.

Since I was the one who created the article in the first place, I was under the impression I could post a prod on it. Nobody else has made any edits anyway.

I suppose I'm upset that this page is apparently sticking around whether I want it to or not just because I had the misfortune of creating it prematurely.

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 23:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

:That's understandable, but honestly we don't tend to delete articles unless there's no basis for having the topic here. We ''do'' offer exclusion, but as that is an active rejection of information about a certain person, now and in the future, we only offer it as an option to that person.

:Like it says at the bottom, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." If they become aware of its presence, and if they are troubled by it, then they are welcome to contact us at that time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

::Well, I can't blame you. I need to bite the bullet. If he does get upset enough to go to the trouble of registering here and asking for its removal, I'm probably going to lose him forever. Then again, as cold unforgiving logic reveals, in that case I shouldn't have created it in the first place. Play with fire, get burned.

::I will not discuss this issue any further, since you are clearly not at fault here. I'll do my best to notify him when he's calmed down. [[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 00:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:::In all honesty, I think you're being melodramatic. There is a stub here about a person, which does not even mention their real life name or location. Big deal. :-) This is the Internet! Anyone can start a website about anything. Given that they share their name with a major fictional character who's likely to trump them in any search results, I don't think there's much to be concerned about. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== message from RVDDP2501 - reporting possible vandalism ==

Hey GreenReaper, I wanted to inform you that a user named Hoppy Bunny had done some changes to several extinctioners articles including the main one, adding all sorts of stupid information including pokemon related content, I have corrected the changes but I was wondering if you could see if this guy is a vandal and figure out what is to be done, thank you - http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hoppy_Bunny - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 11:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Request For Review ==
Once again, the [[Popping]] [[Forum:Popping_%28Under_revision%29 | draft page]] is ready for review. In the continued interest of not wasting everyone's time, it'd be really peachy if one of the Admins could finally resolve this long-neglected issue no later than October 24 2009, 11:59 PM EDT —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 19:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Request For Personal Exclusion ==

I would like to request a personal exclusion for [[Desiree Mentil]], which I created about myself.
[[User:Desireementil|Desireementil]] 00:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:''Replied via email''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== Merging accounts ==

Thank you, that'd be nice to have my accounts merging to "Paul Shepherd" with the space. I think I forgot my password.

Thanks, Paul

== Hello there! ==

Hi thanks for the welcome and editing one or two things I was adding. I'm afraid I might be making a bit of a mess here and there but hopefully it's a more productive than destructive mess. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Iscin|Iscin]] ([[User talk:Iscin|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Iscin|contribs]]) .

:Don't worry - should anything prove destructive, it can always be fixed. That's the power of a wiki. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Califur 5 Attendance ==

Referring to [[User_talk:Alohawolf]]

I pulled it out of the reg system, which at the time I had access to. and I dont see any reference of attendance on the livejournal post you linked to. Califur never officially announced attendance. --[[User:Alohawolf|Alohawolf]] 15:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== slander ==

dragoneer keep editing Alin_ravens wiki page with lies and slander but no ones stopping him please have him refrain from posting lies and doctored e-mail message links to that page because its completely deformation of charterer and he would like it to stop

== Use of noindex ==

Could you take a look at [[Talk:KE Films]] please? I'd like to get a second opinion before acting on a suggestion. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 20:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== Request for Deletion ==

Hi, both me [name removed] and [name removed] got our pages added without any permission, and we don't like to be listed on this site by our real names. This is a privacy concern. Could you please delete both our pages, and prevent it from happening again by adding one of those notices? Thanks in advance.
:I will contact you both directly regarding this; exclusion requires confirmation, and cannot normally be requested by third parties. In your case, please check your dA notes shortly. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

== Front site hacking *SOLVED*. ==

<strike>The front site has been hacked with the front page images having been replaced with pornographic pictures of women engaging in Bestiality (REAL pictures mind you). I tired reverting them back but it wont work. Please remove them and discipline the user responsible of putting them there.</strike>

EDIT: NM. Looks like someone already took care of it. Please disregard this message. And thanks to whoever got em!

- Shot King.
:They've already been deleted, and the user blocked, but thanks for the note and the earlier revert. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:27, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== Spam whitelist request. ==

I attempted to add a link to my user page to a server I run for Teamspeak and Open Canvas. The edit was rejected because of spam filters flagging the link as spam. The link is indigo.servegame.com. If you would be so kind as to add a filter to allow this on my page, I would appreciate it. :) [[User:Sergeant|Sergeant]] 18:09, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, give it a go now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Server Location of Wikifur ==

I have made an update to [[WikiFur:About]] and found the line in the '''Rating Section''': "Please ensure that anything you add is within the law of the United States and the state of Florida". Since I knew that is possibly outdated information as the Servers are no longer hosted on Wikia's Servers in Florida and now are hosted by Timduru, I decided to go make a whois lookup on Wikifur.com and found at [http://whois.domaintools.com/wikifur.com http://whois.domaintools.com/wikifur.com] (Under Server Stats) that the server is in Dallas, Texas. So I went ahead and changed that line to read Texas instead of Florida. My edit history showing the change is at [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur%3AAbout&diff=282868&oldid=275168 http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=WikiFur%3AAbout&diff=282868&oldid=275168]. Please correct me if I was wrong on the edit, but I am sure it's correct. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 11:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for the update; the WikiFur server is indeed located in Texas. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Deleting vanity articles written by others. ==

I'm just curious here...

What exactly does someone need to do if they find a vanity article about themselves on wikifur they don't want to exist?

Do they send an email to an admin/steward/bureaucrat or register and propdel it or what?

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 02:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

:If they do not wish to be covered by WikiFur, they are welcome to submit a request for [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|personal exclusion]]. If they don't mind it being there, but don't think the current version is particularly good, editing it would be the appropriate response - with the understanding that they do not have overriding control of the article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

== Page Deletion ==

Hi, I wrote a page about myself (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Chinmyou) several years ago and no longer wish to have it up. I'd like to have it deleted, please.

Thanks. [[User:Chinmyou|Chinmyou]] 10:42, 8 January 2010

:The fact that you created the page doesn't matter, as it is [[WikiFur:Copyrights|freely licensed to us]]; however, we allow individual subjects of articles to [[WikiFur:Personal exclusion|request exclusion]], and I have submitted the article about you to this process. If there are no objections, it will be protected and the content will be removed within 24 hours. If you wish to have this exclusion removed in the future, please let myself or another administrator know and we will be glad to oblige. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Categorization of Location ==

I had initially thought of using a DPL but I couldn't entertain the thought in my head due to the amount of work, so what i've tried to set out to do is to make Brisbane a subcategory of Queensland, but I don't exactly have the know how to do so. If Brisbane where a sub-catagory of Queensland, would the people in the category Brisbane be shown on Category:Queensland...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Snooper|Snooper]] ([[User talk:Snooper|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Snooper|contribs]]) .
:To make a category into a subcategory, you just place it into that category like any other article. I did this for [[:Category:Brisbane]] shortly after you created it. However, that will not display the members of the subcategory; they are represented by the category name. It's not meant for listing, hence why it's not called a list. :-)
:Making a Dynamic Page List is not too hard. But there is an even easier option - just go to [[Special:CategoryTree]], and enter Australia and select "all pages". This will display all members of the subcategories in the tree after you have expanded all nodes. You can also [[mw:Extension:CategoryTree#Usage|create custom tree views]]. Unfortunately it doesn't work right now because you added the residents of Brisbane into the supercategories as well. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

[[Eka]]

Just go look... My friend showed it to me thinking it was ''funny''. As much as I dislike Eka, that was just '''incredibly''' juvenile and hypocritical of him to do that...

~[http://ttff.wikia.com/wiki/Spades_Neil Spades Neil], fellow admin of the Teen Titan Fan Fic Wiki.

:It looks like [[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] already took care of it. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Summit // Zillercon 11 ==

Hi there!

Could you please add Summit (26th June to 3rd July 2010)
and Zillercon 11 (22. - 29.1.2011) to the main list?

Thx!
Keepiru
:Sure - thanks for the updates! You should be able to do this yourself in the future, once you've passed the (fairly low) minimum time/edit user requirements. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== New Foreign Languages ==

I would like to start an article in Dutch. How do I go about doing this?

Thanks for your time and for WikiFur.

--Kashidom Daheo Nenakh 23:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:''Replied over IM.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Xsystm47 Page Removal Request ==

:Hi there, I was wondering if you could remove my page (xsystm47) from wikifur? Please let me know if this is possible.
::Thanks, --[[User:Xsystm47|Xsystm47]]
::I saw your request in IRC, though you left too soon for me to reply. The article is only a stub, so I have excluded it immediately. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== WolfeeDarkfang ==
EDIT: Went overboard too quickly. I apologize. Please just talk to me on this issue.
[[User:Zhael|Zhael]] 03:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Your comments at Talk:Cub Central ==

Hi, Nice to find another Wikipedia editor, I also work at Wikipedia under the username BarkingFish.

I thought about what you said, on the Cub Central talk page, and you're right. As someone in the Fandom for a long time though, I don't necessarily see it the way 733 did. But, I agree wholeheartedly that it could, indeed, be viewed in more than one way.

I'm very new here, and any guidance you could provide over these first few days would be really useful, I'm already fully conversant with wikicode, being on WP for 5+ years and being an admin for a foreign wiki gives me a lot of insight.

Thanks for replying, I look forward to my time here. [[User:Theoria E. Volution|Theoria E. Volution]] 00:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Deleting Page ==

hi there, my name is Ella McKendrick. I would really apreciate it if my page titled, Ella McKendrick was removed due to personal reasons. I tried to edit this page about me on my old account, Gr8estwolflover but was blocked for doing so and i am not happy about people accessing the information about me. Thank you for your time and i would greatly apreciate it if it was removed. Thank you

~ Ella

:I've posted a reply in [[User talk:Gr8estwolflover]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 00:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== New User ==

Hey there, Featherpool here. I'm new to this place and there is multiple things I need to know, please(!!!) help me by telling me the various things. Do you need to pay for this? Do you make your character thingy on here? If you do, where and how? How to replie to forum thingies, and other chat things like that? Where the conventions are or if it is locally in your state? And if you will replie to this =]

Thankyou! Godbless you all!

Featherpool

:Hey there Featherpool, and welcome to [[WikiFur]]! This site is free in almost every sense of the word - there is no charge to read it or edit it, and you may even use its content elsewhere under the terms of our [[WikiFur:Copyrights|license]]. If you're interested in starting a page about yourself/your character, you would probably want to do it at [[Featherpool]]. It should be written in the third person tense, as if another person was writing about you in an encyclopedia. Have a look at some of the other articles about people for the general idea. Other people probably ''will'' edit it - bear in mind that it's "our page about you", not "your page". For a more personal, first-person , you're welcome to use [[User:Featherpool]]. To talk to another person, go to their user talk page (like this) and edit it to add a message at the end, intending beneath any previous comment with : at the start of a line, and signing your name with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. As for conventions, have a look at our front page - there's a [http://greenreaper.co.uk/wikifur/ConventionMap.html map], too. And check out the [[help]]! Let me know if you need anything not described there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I also wanted to know about the characters. Do you make them here or if you want people to see it, do you draw it and then posst here? Or do they have like a thing where you make it on this site?

[[User:Featherpool|Featherpool]] 15:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)Featherpool

:Once a person has determined the appearance and personality of their "[[fursona]]", they can either draw it themselves or have it drawn by someone else, either a friend or as a paid commission. It's common for articles about people to have one or a very few such images in the article about them and/or their userpage, but Wikifur is not a gallery suitable for a significant number of such images, nor is it a social networking site. It does, however, have articles about many other sites that are much better suited for those purposes. [[Fur Affinity]] is one of the most popular. If you're on [[LiveJournal]], check out the [[List of furry LiveJournal communities]], and if you'd like to meet other furry fans in person, there are many [[:Category:Regional groups|regional groups]] and [[Template:Upcoming events|recurring events]] for you to consider. Good luck! --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Thank-you for taking care of my page ==

Thanks for undoing the damage done to my fursona page on Wikifur as well as protecting it. I am glad that you did that, looking at what happened.

== Wolferajd account login problems (solved!) ==

The account got frozen at the error "You have made too many recent attempts on this account's password. Please wait before trying again. "

YEEEEEEELP!!!

How LONG waiting it is set to? 24 hours not enough? -.-

--[[Special:Contributions/62.121.83.52|62.121.83.52]] 05:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC) (aka. Unlogged Wolferajd, (send me an email if you want))

:I've cleared the throttle. If you still can't remember it, I suggest using the "email password" option to reset it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, everything works now just fine :) --[[User:Wolferajd|Wolferajd]] 01:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

== Yiff This! edit ==

Thanks :) That was my first Wiki I've written, so I was going off of a few examples as for the appropriate way to go about it. Thx for the edits it has a more neutral feel, as well as starting my userpage! (I'll give it my edit soon.)
:No problem! Thanks for adding the material to start with. We can only work with what we have or can find. :-)

I've seen you from somewhere... I think Open Paws LJ community :3
:Yep, that would be me. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gidday, pal ==

Found you with some difficulty! [[Special:Contributions/203.184.42.150|203.184.42.150]] 00:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC) http://newzealand.wikia.com/wiki/User:Robin_Patterson

== Adding a flag ==

How does one add a flag to [[:File:Flags.png]] and/or [[Template:flagdiv]]? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:You upload a new version, adding the new flags at the bottom (or use a new file), and change [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] appropriately. I usually use [http://spritegen.website-performance.org/ this tool] to generate the image. Looking at the various places that flagdiv is normally used, it might be best to identify several that might be added at once. If you want to do that I could regenerate the image, since I have everything else setup here to make it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:22, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Of the flags currently in [[:Category:Flag icons]], there are six that currently missing. Of those, at least three are currently used in articles that customarily use flagdiv; those are ESP, NED, and NOR. The other three, should you wish to go ahead and include them, are GBR, POR and TUR. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::GBR is already there - did you mean something else? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see it now. It was out of alphabetical sequence and that threw me for a loop --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== To get a quicker response ==

Since I know that you're on due to your edit a moment ago that showed up on recent changes. :P Could you help me with my [[Forum:Artificial "log out" when on Main Page|Help desk question]]? Thank you. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:54, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

===Thank you===

Thanks for the welcome. :)

I'm probably going to be working primarily on biographies of the more famous people in the fandom in my time here. To that end, I just went and messaged [[Meesh]] on FA about a list of the comics and things he has made. Furthermore, I sent a message to [[ZEN]] to ask for his permission to use [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2223226/ this] image as a fursona picture on his Wikifur page. If he does give it, would you be able to upload the image for me? I've never worked with image files or templates, so I don't know how to do either of those things, even on Wikipedia.

I'm also likely going to be sending messages to other artists to get releases for image use on their pages. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good place to start - articles about popular artists often draw visitors. As for the image uploading, I can if you want, but it's ''really'' easy - just go to [[Special:Upload]], specify the license (you can just use the "character" option if given permission, and mention that it was uploaded with their permission in the description) and upload the file, then put something like <nowiki>[[File:NameOfFile.jpg|right|thumb|Description of image]]</nowiki> in the article. Give it a go! There's more details and options in the [[Help:Editing|editing help]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Finished with DYK ==

I finished updating DYK. Does it look alright? From the looks of the archive, no one really updated it at all in 2009, or for the first half of 2010 so far. Would you like for me to be the updater for it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Looks good! The one thing I'd mention is that you can link directly to Wikipedia with <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|link description]]</nowiki> (I fixed them this time around). There's a list of such prefixes [[Special:Interwiki|here]]. And sure, that'd be awesome! I used to update that but I just have so much on my plate now (maintaining WikiFur's software and now [[Flayrah]], plus other stuff) that I haven't had time to spend updating our front page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::How often do you think DYK should be updated? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Probably about once or twice a week. The rate should be governed by the number of non-trivial [[Special:Newpages|new articles]] (be permissive; [[Kayiko]] and [[Man bijt hond]] are trivial - for now anyway - but [[Furry Canada Day]] or [[Central Midwest Furmeet]] are non-trivial). If you're interested in doing it more frequently than the supply allows, I suggest going back through the archives of articles created since the last 2009 update - I'm sure there are some great facts just waiting to be revealed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Let's say every Friday then, or thereabouts. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Hello. ==

Sorry for the lacking facts on that first edit. I had edited it (right before I went to bed) but apparently it didn't save the new edit, and the first rough draft of it was only saved. I wish I could supply more facts, but I'm not the actual Echo, I'm just compiling what information I do know on him.

== Shortcut Templates ==

I just tried to use a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Shortcut|shortcut template]] on the [[WikiFur:Wikiproject Convention|Convention Wikiproject]] I just created and it appears that they don't work, as of yet. How would we go about getting such things to work, as they would be useful for both Help pages and Project/Portal pages? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It should work now. See [[WikiFur:Shortcut]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It does. Cool, thanks for helping with that. :) I might end up coming to you with some more things, I hope i'm not bothering you because of this. ^_^; (P.S. You can just respond on this page, you don't need to copy it over to mine, i'll see when you respond on here) [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Infoboxes ==

...sorry for bugging you again so soon. ^_^; We really need an [[Wikipedia:Help:Infobox|infobox]] for artists and probably a more generalized one for biographies as well. Any clarification you need, just ask me. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 23:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Have a look at [[:Category:Infobox templates]] and [[:Category:Proposed biographical infobox templates]]. But first, we need to answer a serious question: when and why should we use them?
:Infoboxes are designed to extract common details from lengthy articles, especially those for which there are a large number of common details (such as the taxonomy of species) for which additional explanation is not beneficial. But our articles are far shorter than Wikipedia's. What value will an infobox bring to articles commonly only the length of a page? Is this value more than the space they will occupy, and the distraction they will pose from the body? This is particularly important for infoboxes that largely duplicate information from the lede.
:In fairness, space is less of a concern now that we have more (there used to be a 150px ad to the right). Still, 20% of our users still use 1024x768. They are also an editorial burden to every article in the category, both to create and update.
:We've not had a good discussion on this yet, but see [[Template talk:Infobox person]], [[Template talk:Infobox artist]], [[Template talk:Infobox musician]], [[Template talk:Infobox website]] and [[Template talk:Infobox convention event]] for some thoughts. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:28, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::After reading that, I find it less useful for just general people, but the one for artists is still particularly useful, because it contains information that will not necessarily be placed in the article. And even if it is a repetition of some information that is in the article, it is far more useful and easier to find wanted information from a infobox than having to read through an entire article to find a specific piece of information. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 01:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest developing [[Template:Infobox artist]] further, then, and trying it out on a small selection of articles. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How would I go about getting Website to be its own section, like Fursona, on the template, and remove the space for signature? I find signature to be unnecessary. The fursona image or photograph should take up the entire image space, not be scrunched to the side. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 01:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
* The infobox seems to be working well on the [[Shiuk]] page, though there is an extraneous "{{#if:Nevada|" at the top of the page, along with "<nowiki>[[File:" and "]]</nowiki>" around the avatar image. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm still working on it. <s>There's some issues with nested if espressions.</s> OK, there we go. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yay. ^_^ I think it looks good, what about you? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's better than it was. Would be good to have input from others as well, though. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

* Would it be possible to add Birth place under Birth date in the template? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:Probably! Have you tried doing it? It shouldn't be that hard, just copying a few lines and changing names around. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:23, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::Just did, it's not showing up. :/ [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not ''meant'' to show up unless you actually add it to an instance of a template on a page. The documentation is a separate matter; you need to add a line to that as well if you want it to show up on the template's own page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I thought I did, but when I added it to the infobox on Meesh's page, it didn't show up either. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes it did . . . perhaps you were looking at a cached page? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh...yeah, that's highly likely. >_> I have to refresh every time I make an edit in order to see it. I forgot to do that that time. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

* What did I do wrong now? I changed fursona to species on the template, to make it more clear, and it showed up fine. But when I changed fursona to species on Meesh's page, it still won't show up. O_o [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:48, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_artist&diff=295277&oldid=295269 Fix'd]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*facepalms*</nowiki> I'm going to go bang my head against the wall now. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Blocked ==

I think [http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.63.215.187 24.63.215.187] will need to be blocked, if not now, soon, considering the continued attacks on Priam Wolf. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 18:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Allow site ==

I would like to use this ( <nowiki>http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/nomoreallan/</nowiki> ) source for [[Lupine Assassin]]'s article page. Can you make an exception to allow it? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done, hopefully. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== About a new user ==

[[User:KentuckyFriedGunman|KentuckyFriedGunman]] is a new user that has been going around adding fact tags to articles. Largely, I have no problem with this in terms of articles about organizations or subjects, but not for articles about people. Vanity pages are highly likely to have been written by the subject themselves and citation needed tags are superfluous on such pages. I mean, it's great if references can be found for such articles, but they are not needed. Am I in the right on this? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Wolfee_Darkfang&diff=296184&oldid=291235 Here] is an example. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 02:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::Wait... You guys allow vanity pages? You guys allow fact tags to be cut from vanity pages? And you guys want to be linked from Wikipedia? Really? I will oblige on the vanity pages, as I had no authority there, but with all due respect, this site needs to cite more sources and use facts taken from sources beyond personal blogs/profiles/posts. --[[User:KentuckyFriedGunman|KentuckyFriedGunman]] 03:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Please read [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fur_Affinity&curid=7076&diff=296198&oldid=296197 this]. The rules for Wikifur are radically different than Wikipedia. We do not profess to be the same. We do not cover subjects that are the study of news groups or official studies. We do not use, nor have, sources that are normally used on Wikipedia. Primary sources are allowed. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Those are the sources of our information. We feel qualified to use them - just as a reporter might use a blog, profile or post as a source - because we know the people concerned, in a way that the average Wikipedia editor does not. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, many pages on WikiFur would not be (and should not be) linked from Wikipedia. This list includes the vast majority of pages about people. Consider, would it really make sense to link to [[Pinkuh]], or [[Wolfee Darkfang]]? Probably not. They are non-notable topics. Conversely, [[Fur Affinity]] is a popular topic and it is quite possible that it might be seen as an authoritative article. It can be appropriate to inform readers of the need for caution when information on such articles has not been substantiated. However, that does not mean we will ''remove'' uncited information simply because it is uncited, especially when it is inserted by someone who should be in a position to know it (at that point, it's equivalent to them posting about it and us citing their post). We would generally only do so if we had reason to believe it was untrue, or if the information was potentially defamatory and uncited. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Ban 195.216.197.106 ==

He's submitted the forum post three times now. More than enough to be blocked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 11:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

== Image for Inkbunny ==

I've created the [[Inkbunny]] page and i'm working on expanding it. Is there an image that would be appropriate and is allowed to be used for the article? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
:I already put [[:File:Inkbunny.png]] up for a [[Flayrah]] article, that might be suitable, and/or a screenshot. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

== Muushi.net Linking to copyrighted works ==

"Linking to copyrighted work

Muushi.net and it's members - including the site owner[5] - share and distribute links to several stolen works from various sources including paysites, books and digital downloads. Muushi does not have a public Do Not Post list and does not respond to any DMCA request. The only known e-mail is muushi.net[at]gmail.com from the previous incarnation of Muushi.

The site's moderators claim there is a private DNP list, and that claims made through the Report feature or to the above email will be resolved. "

Can this be edited?

Here are the Errors.

Muushi.net does respond to DMCA requests. If a user or artists requests that material is taken down it is removed. Muushi.net does not support the sharing of copyrighted media without the artists permission. The addendum below is not a claim but a fact. Established in out protocol for handling such claims.

Sorry for the discussion on the site's page instead of through the talk feature, I am still fairly new to wikifur.

~ Clone

:No worries - there's some follow up to this post on [[Talk:Muushi]], which would probably be the best place to discuss this. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't really agree with [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Muushi&curid=58706&diff=296951&oldid=296933 this] change, since it is still true that they only remove threads if they are actually reported and no, as far as I can tell, on their own prerogative. I think it should be reverted, though the last paragraph should be changed to note that they do remove threads if they are reported, but only then. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:GR, you there? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 23:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
::I am, but I have other things on my plate. If you think it should be done, why not do it? You do not need my authorization. :-)
::If you revert, I suggest considering what they thought was misleading and trying to incorporate a fix for that while at the same time preserving what you think is important. That way we don't get into a continual revert war. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Well, I feel sort of like I'm spamming with all the problems on this page, but thanks for inviting me to the Wiki... --[[User:Chromeo|Chromeo]] 18:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== I have two accounts for some reason ==
XD I have no idea why, but I have 2 accounts on Wikifur O.o If possible could you delete the one called "Jet" and leave the one "Jet Wolfgang" active, I think I made the other by mistake when I was a n00b to wikifur. Cheers!
:Sure - it was possibly at a time when we didn't have the account import from Wikia working properly. I've merged the two into Jet Wolfgang. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Exclusion Request ==

I would like a personal exclusion for the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Kaffa_Wolf

Thank you for your time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Kaffawolf|Kaffawolf]] ([[User talk:Kaffawolf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kaffawolf|contribs]]) .

:The article will be excluded within 24 hours, unless there is an objection. If you wish to revert this exclusion in the future, please contact myself or any other administrator. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Edit wars ==

Hi GreenReaper, sorry to bother you with this, but I don't know the best solution... I looked for the equivalent of a 3RR rule here but didn't see it. Anyway, there's an active edit war with [[Talk:Jessica Elwood]]. Is there anything that other editors can do in a case like that, or just call it to the attention of the admins? --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've had a chat with one of the editors. I suggest interested parties make a good faith effort to incorporate changes which they do not object to in each others' edits, and to seek to explain and understand the basis behind them. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Well, that user is still at it with slanting everything in the article, but I was wondering if you could check something out. You see, he seems to think that unless I have cited quotes from every single admin on FA, he doesn't believe that one admin's word that "Multiple admins confirm this" is quite enough. Again, he is simply getting in everyone's way and slowing down updates every time he decides to change the wording on every little thing to slant it against others. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 22:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Ref: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Kaffa_Wolf ==

Deny-...He founded all that stuff and he is not notable to warrant inclusion? He BUILT the texas fur community despite texanfurs no longer being alive. I think that is rather note worthy. The successor forum would not exist if it was not for him. Some stats from the successor forum.

Total posts 93781 | Total topics 5132 | Total members 1121

I think that's a pretty notable legacy, even if he didnt make that forum himself, but did lay the foundation.[[Special:Contributions/173.45.201.98|173.45.201.98]] 20:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think you understand what personal exclusion is. That means that Kaffa Wolf went and spoke to GreenReaper and asked him to delete the page. Kaffa Wolf wants the page to be deleted. It has nothing to do with his notability. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 20:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T21:53:53Z

Duckhat: When you add 'was likely' to your contribution, it's a tell-tale sign that you're adding opinions, not facts. It's also specifically about the IP address, not the pictures posted in her accounts.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as a variant of the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states a variant of the "Yiff in hell, [[Furfags]]" meme, leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack from a 4chan user remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, several DA users simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. This information is heavily featured in the article on Ms. Elwood on [[Encylopedia Dramatica]]. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the FA administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== Tardy Commission Work ===


Recent posts on the FurAffinity artist_beware section have accused Jessica Elwood of being extremely tardy in several of her commissions, in some cases in timeframes of over a year.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T20:58:15Z

Duckhat:

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I hate to have to explain this, but that's life on the Internet I guess: "lede" means the top of the page. The intro. You know, where I've been removing it from? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 20:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey, we've all got our Achilles Heel. Mine is technical jargon. :3 [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 20:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T18:59:33Z

Duckhat: Sorry, not the jab archives, it was on the forums for jab comics.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and the JABcomix forum (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T17:14:10Z

Duckhat: /* IP Address */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by administrators on FA and TJA (cited respectively) that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T17:07:34Z

Duckhat: Read the forum thread, that was an old shout. He failed to cross-check them with the forum IP's as the main account only saves the latest IP. Arshes already corrected him in private.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by FA administrators that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T17:03:16Z

Duckhat: 'confirmed via art' isn't entirely concrete as evidence. While the styles are obviously very similar, it was only definitely confirmed via IP. 'looks similar' just doesn't stand well.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by FA administrators that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T16:52:34Z

Duckhat: /* Commissions Controversy */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Here's one. http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 16:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T16:15:09Z

Duckhat: Cited a source from Enigmawig, who moderates a forum JE joined, and confirmed a match in the mexican IP address.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
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== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by FA administrators that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref><ref>[http://comments.deviantart.com/5/33439607/1568186804 DeviantArt Journal Comment. Retrieved July 15, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T15:36:33Z

Duckhat: /* Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Plus, the citation leads directly to her post anyways, so it isn't necessary to put the spotlight on just her in the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T15:33:34Z

Duckhat:

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
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There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

:::@Duckhat: Why remove that it was Arshes Nei that was the FA admin contacted? (Asher2501) [[Special:Contributions/68.106.86.163|68.106.86.163]] 15:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it because the way I had put it made the whole thing look as if she was the only admin who was claiming this, when as stated [http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2039825&viewfull=1#post2039825 here], she was not the only one. (just the only one we can cite directly at the moment). I didn't want anything stupid like a "Arshes is a rogue admin out to get JE" war to be created due to my wording. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:KiTA

2010-07-15T15:27:27Z

Duckhat: /* Edit war */

{{welcome}}

==Edit war==

If you continue with this edit war, I will be forced to notify an admin. Please stop. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Already in discussion with an admin over it on IRC, but thank you for the heads up. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: So how did your foot taste? [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T15:04:16Z

Duckhat: /* Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T15:01:37Z

Duckhat: /* Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made.
:I said it would probably be best to remove it ''from the lede'' if it was a matter of controversy. That did not entail removing it from the article altogether, as there clearly are references now, and I said as much in chat last night. (Please sign your name here in discussions with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>; it gets confusing when there's a lot of people talking and no names.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::So he's not allowed to remove it from the top anymore? If so, then I'll remove the unnecessary IP section I added. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 15:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T14:43:19Z

Duckhat: /* Controversy */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by FA administrators that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T13:59:49Z

Duckhat: /* Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is the Admin that said to remove info that KiTA is claiming? ==

Even KiTA's "Admin" sources in the history is incorrect. There was only one revision early on with GreenReaper that the Mexico reference couldn't be posted on the page until there was cited reference.
:''(cur) (prev) 05:28, 12 July 2010 GreenReaper (Talk | contribs) (3,333 bytes) (There is reasonable doubt here about subject's location and identity. References would be good to have for any claimed location.) (undo)
''
There is now a cited reference and KiTA is now claiming that an admin said to remove the info. No admin I can see on talk has said this on the discussion page. This is dishonest. Please show the source.
:I'm not sure if what KiTA is claiming is true or not, but on the chance that his is correct, I simply made an IP section in the controversy page, which is probably more appropriate to place the proof of her mexican IP address anyways. Also, it can be a place for giving information about what alternate accounts she has made.

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T13:51:44Z

Duckhat: Aaand whoops, completely messed up her name. My bad.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by the FA administrator Arshes Nei that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T13:50:12Z

Duckhat: I agree with KiTA on this, I will make a seperate "IP" section to the controversy page, which will hopefully stop the repeated re-addition at the top of the page.

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

=== IP Address ===

It has been confirmed by the FA administrator Ashes Kei that the DSL connection used to regularly access her main and forum accounts on FA were done so with an IP address tracing back to Mexico, and not to California where she initially claims to reside. <ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> This IP address has also been used to frequently access the user account of [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte], confirming the two accounts belong to the same person.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T13:18:22Z

Duckhat: /* Controversy */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
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== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The alleged user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", and the account was later banned for the content.

The suspect motive for the hacking appears to be in response to the journal (see attached photo) in which Jessica admits to passing pictures of Camerella off as those of her own (see "Fake real-life photos," above). In the journal, the alleged hacker recites the motto for [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] and states "Butn in hell, [[Furfags]]", leading many to believe that 4chan's /b/ is the origin of the culprit.

However, in the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T13:03:19Z

Duckhat: /* Removed "revision from KiTA" */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I have also taken the liberty of re-adding the fact that sometime either before or during the alleged hacking, the journal was not only added, but also removed. To simply state that it was added during the hacking slants it in an uneven manner when you completely neglect to add that, if it was indeed added during the hacking by the hacker, then it was also REMOVED by the hacker, which raises more questions. I also cleaned up some of the additional points in the article to make the unsightly () interruptions appear in the article in a more professional manner. Overall, I would like to state that if you are going to contribute to the article, it would be best to try and re-word the entire paragraph to make the points less confusing and unproffessional. Sticking facts together sloppily degrades the quality and clarity of the article. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 13:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:55:28Z

Duckhat: /* Controversy */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", locked her password and then got her banned from the site for posting the images.

This appeared to be in response for posting pictures claiming them to be of her on her normal deviantart account and picture account, only to later tell people she had been posting pictures that were not of her at all (see "Fake real-life photos," above). It is not clear at this time where the attack came from, although a Journal posted during the attack (see attached photo) contains several other 4chan memes, including a modified variant of the "Yiff in Hell, [[Furfags]]" anti-furry meme and the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto from /b/. In the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. <ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim. It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:53:10Z

Duckhat: /* Fake real-life photos */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted (and deleted) the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", locked her password and then got her banned from the site for posting the images.

This appeared to be in response for posting pictures claiming them to be of her on her normal deviantart account and picture account, only to later tell people she had been posting pictures that were not of her at all (see "Fake real-life photos," above). It is not clear at this time where the attack came from, although a Journal posted during the attack (see attached photo) contains several other 4chan memes, including a modified variant of the "Yiff in Hell, [[Furfags]]" anti-furry meme and the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto from /b/. In the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim.<ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Feline-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Squirrel-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:51:45Z

Duckhat: /* Controversy */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
__NOTOC__
== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot). The journal in question, however, was deleted by either Jessica or the hacker sometime before or during the alleged hacking.

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Later, Camerella created a "thank you" video for /b/, the notorious forum on 4chan, and the suspect group of the alleged hacking.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto. Still under much debate as the alleged hacker failed to reproduce the motto correctly.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", locked her password and then got her banned from the site for posting the images.

This appeared to be in response for posting pictures claiming them to be of her on her normal deviantart account and picture account, only to later tell people she had been posting pictures that were not of her at all (see "Fake real-life photos," above). It is not clear at this time where the attack came from, although a Journal posted during the attack (see attached photo) contains several other 4chan memes, including a modified variant of the "Yiff in Hell, [[Furfags]]" anti-furry meme and the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto from /b/. In the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be improbable for anyone from 4chan to make a mistake in its recital.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, though the possibility of a rogue attack remains. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum. This, however, comes with no evidence to support the claim.<ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:01:43Z

Duckhat: /* Removed "revision from KiTA" */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:01:14Z

Duckhat: /* Removed "revision from KiTA" */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 12:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T12:00:59Z

Duckhat: /* Removed "revision from KiTA" */

what kind of faggotry is this? /b/ nor ED was never behind the raid AKA: there was no threads to raid JE prior to the "hacking". jessica did this to herself to escape.

Now its like considering her rather insecure disposition we shall never see J-Elwood again; those absolute fuckers!
--[[User:Dansk|Dansk]] 02:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Please try and keep to clean language. For now, it is highly believed that this was a raid, considering that multiple places, including Wikifur, were attacked. It is unlikely that it is something Jessica did herself. It is because we do not know whether it was 4chan or Encyclopedia Dramatica (or perhaps some other group) that were involved that the language in the article is hesitant to say which it was as well. For now, until proof can be found one way or another, the wording in the article will stay as it is. If you wish for it to be changed, please find proof that can be used as a reference. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about the "Arden the Black" situation, and I can't say who really carried out the attack. I don't approve of such measures. However I can speak to one or two things:

1. "Jessica Colaneri" was the name she emailed me under, so that much is accurate.

2. All paypal transactions with her were carried out under the name of Martha Guerrero Martinez, so that much is also accurate.

3. The behavior described at Encyclopedia Dramatica is *exactly* what happened to me. I paid her $65 through paypal, got absolutely nothing, not even a sketch, and only got a refund two years later when I suggested opening a thread about it on livejournal/artits_beware. That was entirely accurate, and I'm not the only person who has been taken.

And for those of you calm, rational, and interested enough to POLITELY ask for it, I can and will provide proof.

Thanks.

:Seeing as how I don't believe in ED's crap one bit, yes I'd like some proof. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:It would probably be best to wait to deal with such information until after all of this has blown over, since the situation is pretty volatile right now. If you give it a few days, things should be calm enough that we can look toward putting in information regarding the proof you have. Though I encourage you to give links, screenshots, whatever you like on this talk page, so we can discuss it and work out what changes we will end up making to the article. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Connection to Arden the Black==

While there doesn't seem to be reference to "Arden the Black" outside of 4chan/ED, there is reference to Arden/"Arturo Juarez"... http://fchan.us/f/res/243.html#896 That's the first reference to Arden in that thread. Look through that and you'll find people who have archived Arturo's work along with some people who noticed the similarities with JE's work. I don't know where the "the Black" suffix comes from - I'm still doing some digging. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So, I decided to track down "Jessica Elwood" accounts. Found this one: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/member.php?u=5740 Probably the real deal. Check contact info; lists "Jessica_colaneri@hotmail.com" for MSN and "jesscolaneri" for Yahoo. With only 3 posts in that account, there's not much to go by, HOWEVER, there's this thread: http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710&page=3 Unfortunately the artwork image is dead - i guess due to the age. The forum is in reverse chronological order, so #1 is on the bottom. Of interest here is that the post says "This time I used a couple tips ''Arden'' gave me, to give lights to the hair." This is the first I've seen of there being an actual link between JE and the fabled Arden --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 07:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find references to "Arden the Black" on the Playmouse website. Do a search, and you'll see several images by him. I also know that Arden used to post on the VCL with the name "Arturo Juarez", and he'd also post some of the same images to the Yahoo group/web site under "Arden the Black". Hope that helps! [[User:Tremaine|Temaine da Hedgefox!]] 09:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::While it is often a joke to say "It's not on Google, therefore it doesn't exist" - this is just one of those moments that prove you can't pull that defence. Unfortunately, searching through for the right Yahoo group is virtually impossible (there's thousands of furry groups), so I won't be touching that any time soon. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Glad to help. ==

Dedoded - you may believe what you like, but what was described on ED is exactly what happened to me.

Silverseren - That's fine. Do you want me to post the screenshots somewhere specific, or send them to you directly? And are screenshots sufficient, or do you want me to forward copies of the actual correspondence?

:It depends on what the screenshots are of, really. But, feel free to put them here on this talk page. As links, of course. That way others will be able to look at them as well. And remember that you can sign your name by adding four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) after your comments. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 04:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Found some links:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/308198.html http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html

And after reading some other posts -- well, at least she's not the worst artist in there. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 04:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, at least she does give refunds in the end, so I wouldn't call it plain "scamming" as ED did. [[User:Dedodede|Dedodede]] 05:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

==Photo account==

The photo account wasn't hacked by whoever/whatever. That was ''deactivated'' by herself/himself/whatever - prior to the apology post regarding her using her "friend" for the photos. Just thought I'd share that. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:So...she had a separate account for photos or do you mean just her account in general? [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Jelwoodphoto account in the External Links. It's listed as being a target for hacking. It wasn't. That was taking down a couple days ago and then she posted the Apology journal post on her main art account. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 05:52, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Except the photo of the apology on ED is of the same day she was hacked. We have no idea how long her DA accounts were compromised before they decided to try and ruin her DA presence, whichever /b/tard script kiddie did this could have easily waited a day or two before doing the troll thing, posting a fake apology to match up with the ongoing troll meme. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 14:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That can only be proven/disproven if a DA administrator checks the IP logs of her account. Until such a person comes forward with that information, all anyone can do is speculate on the matter. If anyone here knows a DA administrator with access to that information, get into contact with them and see if they can check to see if the IP address used to access the account for said malicious attacks was the same or different from the normal IP she logged in with. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 01:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== ALLEGED July 2010 hacking ==

There is no independent verification that the account was hacked. It is possible that it was an actual hack, or it is possible that it was a stunt by the account owner. [[User:Ross Boxfox|Ross Boxfox]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:However, it is commonly accepted that it was a hacking, so that's what we're going with for now, until other evidence can be found to prove otherwise. In my personal opinion, if she did it herself, then she wouldn't have thought to also attack Wikifur at the same time repeatedly. That seems like something 4chan would do (and are still doing occasionally), so that raises the likelihood of it being a hack. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 17:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:: If a hacker posted the apology journal, why would they block and delete everyone who pointed out that Camerella - the girl whose pics Jess used without permission - said she had no knowledge of the whole thing? The 'apology' claims they worked on the idea together but Camerella says she just posed for some pictures and fansigns a few months ago and that was all. [[Special:Contributions/74.141.212.86|74.141.212.86]] 18:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude. It's commonly accepted that this is an attempt to welsh on all the commissions owed. No one thinks this was real.[[Special:Contributions/74.99.93.180|74.99.93.180]] 22:20, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Go back to where you came from. First of all, if she wanted to disappear, she would have hit ALL her accounts. FurAffinity was not hacked. Forgetting one of her commonly updated sites doesn't seem likely. Second, the hackers revealed her full real name (even if it wasn't well hidden). That is a classic 4chan move and NOT something that someone who wishes to disappear would do. Your "theory" just doesn't pan out. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.191.52|69.250.191.52]] 23:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It's also possible (and I admit that I'm speculating, but no more than you are) that the hack was meant just to erase/deflect attention on the revelation that she posted fake pictures of herself on her DA account. She later admitted to it many hours before the hacking, but even her admission turned out to be a fabrication as she claimed to know the person she was using the photos from (who later found out and denied this). She may have left her FA account untouched because none of this exists there to hide/cover up. She may also realize that a total wipeout of all accounts would look more like a hoax than just one account. Also, she may have staged the release of her "real name" as a way of making it seem like it is actually her real name, when it may in fact not be at all (no harm to oneself in releasing a fake name after all). I'm not claiming to believe all that, merely playing devil's advocate. It's best not to blindly take sides.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
There just isn't enough proof that 4chan is behind it, and 'commonly accepted' isn't proof. If this article wants to be accurate, then point out that there is speculation about it being a real hack or not. But saying something absolutely happened without proof isn't acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 00:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
: +1 General consensus doesn't turn something into fact. There are two camps on the matter - she was either hacked or she did it herself. The problem with her being hacked though is that afterwards, she's practically disappeared off the face of the earth. If she was hacked, based on her previous journal entries and writing style, she would vent about it ''somewhere'' - most likely on FurAffinity. Equally so, if she did it herself to gain sympathy, she would post somewhere in order to "rally the troops" to her side - HOWEVER - during the alleged "hack" some people caught on during this time (there's that screenshot on ED) bringing doubt '''during''' the event itself - with the JE account posting as well in response. IF she did it herself and was caught out then trying to gain sympathy this way would fall into question. Of course, a counter argument to this is that there was nothing stopping the hacker from pretending to be JE and making it look like a faked hack. Anyway, that's what all the speculation essentially boils down to. The only thing that can be done, in order to get some "facts", is to wait for JE to say something. Of course, i use the word "facts" lightly here on the off-chance that JE isn't who she says she is. --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:: She may not have needed to say anything to attempt to gain sympathy. Once it became known that 4chan/ED was allegedly behind it, many blind furries would instantly pour out sympathy for her even if she said nothing. Case in point, the flood of shouts on her FA account.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 03:13, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Furry ED/4ch representative here. What makes you people think it's anything to do with us? Gawd. Also, Jessica is obviously a man, and did "hack" his own DA. I doubt any skilled account cracker would get memes fucked up like with the so-called hacked journal. "Never forget, never forgive", what? Obviously the work of Mr. Elwood.--[[Special:Contributions/86.174.89.7|86.174.89.7]] 17:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I never suggested that it was actually 4ch/ED, just that it would be remarkably easy to get most furries to think so, since so many take the ED/4ch thing so personally, and lack a sense of humor about furry. I agree that it was most likely a hoax. I just hope in the end the proof comes out. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 17:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== ED's take on the situation ==

They have seemed to drummed up a large amount of evidence against Elwood. There are plenty of rips and such and evidence that the photos she posted were not even of a friend of hers. It might be worth taking a look.

::I agree it's worth taking a look at. A lot of people are quick to jump to the conclusion that everything ED says is wrong, but quite frankly that's a knee-jerk reaction from a bunch of over-protective butthurt furries. I agree ED adds a lot of exaggeration to their articles for the sake of humour but a lot of the actual images posted, such as the Camerella facebook screenshot, Jessica's admission, and the side-by-side comparison of images, are all legitimate images.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Contradictions Taste Good. ==

Hey, why is it that you want proof that it was not a hack, when you are not bothering to get proof that it was a hack? Talk about a walking contradiction. You seem to think it's okay to accept a "widely accepted fact," with no independent information to verify it, and then demand an opposing view, which has just as many facts as the other, to have better proof?

Wow. Nice hypocrisy there. So much for being about facts as apposed to rumors.

You should at least include in the article that there is some reason to believe that it may have not been a hack, seeing as you HAVE NO PROOF EITHER WAY.

But that would be the intelligent thing to do. Can't have that....

::Agreed. I modified the article to be more neutral, to mention both theories equally, and to clarify that it's all speculation.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jessica-admits.jpg ==

Anyone else find it fishy as all hell that the same day she's hacked is when a post about her faking the photos is posted? I find it more likely that it was posted by the guy/guys from /b/ and ED. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 01:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

::It's fishy as hell, but you got your facts out of order, and you're actively denying the photos were faked. [[Special:Contributions/74.77.192.119|74.77.192.119]] 01:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The screenshot is legitimate. Note the 200+ comments. It was up for some time before the account was hacked, while she still had her legit images posted. There is another image that shows the pictures Jessica posted claiming to be her, with identical pictures from Camerella. These photos were in her DA account and had been there for some time. While I agree that it is speculation, and I worded the article as such, it seems reasonable the "hack" was meant to cover all of this up. The reason she might not have nuked her FA account as well, is because there was nothing there to hide.[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:::A quick addition: While the date on the screenshot is indeed July 9th, note the time is 12:09AM, meaning that it had only been July 9th for a few minutes. The "hacking" came several hours later: 15 hours, in fact, at approximately 3PM. Possibly Jessica realized that her apology was in itself a lie and decided to pull a stunt?[[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 02:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Most of the people that follow her on DA also follow on FA so they're gonna find out. It would have been smart to nuke all of her accounts instead of just 2. And why destroy only her for lying since half of the people who were happy with it are themselves art thieves anyway.plus the cam whore looked nowhere near as good as her "fake" photos. I think she pissed some one off and they got back at her in a horrible way.

== Article revision ==

I've got the article to a fairly neutral standpoint as it is. I expect Jessica fanboys might try to revert back to the older and obviously biased/slanted version, which was clearly very unprofessional in nature. Words like 'trolls' and 'retarded' are not appropriate, and the article was clearly not from a neutral point of view. I believe that it is neutral now and presents the facts pretty clearly, as they were known at the time of the revisions. I have a fairly unbiased view, I think, on what's going on, as I'm not part of ED or any of those organizations, nor am I a close-minded furry fanboy that will reject anything negative about Jessica, however bulletproof it is. This has nothing to do with "furries vs. anon" or any of that stuff. We're here merely to observe and document. [[User:Wosret|Wosret]] 04:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
:You did a very nice job on the wording. It sounds perfectly neutral. I went ahead and removed the "This article will remain neutral on this subject" sentence, since that's not something a Wikifur article would say. And I extended the "This is just speculation" sentence to sound more neutral and editorial. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 05:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Apology Journal on FA ==

This should be mentioned somewhere in the article:

"An apology

First of all, I want to apologize to everyone who bought art from me, for my behavior these past months and years. I've been anything but professional with you all and I am terribly, terribly sorry.

In the past year or so things have been really harsh on my end over some personal issues a few already know, however I am fully aware that is not an excuse to procrastinate about my obligation towards these who enjoyed my art enough to wish a piece for their own.

Please, if I owe you anything, NOTE me asap so I can get your usernames. I will do everything in my power to finish all within 60 days. Please comment only if I owe you something!."

After receiving some negative comments by some disillusioned users, the journal may or may not have been superficially bumped off the front of the FA page.

In the journal, users can see just how many people JE owes art too, and how long some of them have waited.

: Except not a word of what you posted is true -- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Her FA page has no journal updates since the 4th. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Look at the journal right before it --> http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/ It's right there. Actually, I originally didn't see it either, and my bookmark saved wrong, so I thought the journal was gone. it was posted July 4th, 2010 03:21 AM. the 4th of july journal that you are linking to was posted July 4th, 2010 03:39 PM.

== IP addresses are from Mexico ==

Just FYI as an administrator from FAF/FA the IP addresses and ones for the "Kacey W" on the main site match on the ISP Jessica Elwood used on the forums. They are from .mx While I will not publicly disclose the exact IP address information of users on the site. This person can only believed to be from Mexico, while claiming to be a Californian.
:Please send me a note on FA to prove who you say you are, as I find it hard to believe that you are an FA admin, as even disclosing country of origin, when the user does not want it to be known, is against the TOS. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 21:24, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Not entirely correct.
::Fur Affinity values your privacy, and we are committed to safeguarding your personal information to the best of our ability. We will never use, share or distribute personally identifiable information (birth date, e-mail address, ISP/IP or other aliases) except when such actions are necessary to:

::to investigate reports of illegal activities, '''fraud''' or situations involving potential risk or endangerment to the physical safety of our users.

::By registering an account (for use as a User or Group account) you agree that all information provided is truthful and accurate. We reserve the right to close any account created with falsified information. In addition, you agree to keep your e-mail address accurate and up-to-date (as is necessary to contact you or provide password resets).

::Person isn't being truthful or accurate, but there is no reason to disclose anymore details other than country of origin is not what user claims is.

: http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend FA Admin tells us about it in the forums right here.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030046&viewfull=1#post2030046 Specific post where the Admin says that the Sockpuppet Paypal account IP matches that of JE. Of course, read through the whole thread. It's interesting, I guess.
::http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2030709&viewfull=1#post2030709 Specific post regarding Kacey W and JE --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Also add to that the fact that PayPal shows the account commissioners use to send JE money is from Mexico. Exact post is here http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321

Now it appears JE is now using proxies to try to mask his location. http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2032831&viewfull=1#post2032831

== deviantArt unbanned, truth is told ==

[[Image:Screencap_JE_20100714.jpg|300px|right|A screen capture of Jessica Elwood's DeviantArt page, taken 14 July 2010.]]
http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/gallery/#Anime-Art

Pretty much says it all. He hid all of his art in storage. Now José Eldude is shining in his true colours because he lied about the whole thing.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 18:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:Also, inb4 "BUT THE HACKER PUT THE UPLOADS IN STORAGE FHSDKFHSDF". Anyone who hacks an account will have the immediate urge to delete fucking everything. Nobody in their right mind would move all the uploads to storage so they can be recovered later '''unless it's the account owner who is willing to bring everything back once the account is unbanned'''. Fanboys are fucking stupid.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 19:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::I would think it would take a lot more work to move everything into storage rather than deleting it...or maybe the same amount of work. But a hacker would be more inclined to deletion than storage, they would have no reason for storage. So, it's pretty much been confirmed in everything but a direct statement that, yes, this was a hoax. And, I suppose in a sense, it worked. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 19:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::: No actually storage is insanely simple. You just go to Manage Deviations and when you are in the Public menu you'll see a Select All option and a STORE button. I'm sure someone can provide a screenshot. Deactivation is also really easy. You just go to your Settings - Deactivation - "Yes I want to Deactivate this account"
::::Okay sure. It takes a fair bit longer ta DELETE everythin' than it does ta store it (since storin' everythin' is literally a three-click process), but why WOULDN'T the alleged hacker go that extra mile ta make sure she was ruined? I mean seriously! With as infrequently as Jess hops on ta do much'a ANYTHIN', ya REALLY think she (or anyone ELSE) would notice her deviations disappearin' one by one from first ta last? That's how I'D screw someone over. Chances are a lotta that crap is irreplaceable. :B {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 22:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yup. I hardly believe that someone would put all the deviations in storage whilst uploading guro and scat and shitposting journals. Eldude had a lot of art, and deleting all of that would give Eldude a lot of work. I'd immediately jump to deleting all of it if I had cracked his account.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 23:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::You seem to have missed the part about Deactivation is also very simple. It apparently wipes the account completely and is not recoverable as far I understand. http://help.deviantart.com/113/ {{unsigned|196.4.53.229}}
:::::::And yet it was recovered, which implies that it's not that difficult to get it back. And it also seems that things in storage don't get wiped, because they didn't. So, all in all, what happened to the account really didn't do any damage at all, which is why it is unlikely it was a hacker. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*Facepalm*</nowiki> Ugh... You PEOPLE! [http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ This account] was hacked/self-defaced (jury's still out on what exactly happened) and BANNED, not deactivated. [http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ THIS account] was the one that was DEACTIVATED by Jess. NO ONE said her main account was manually deactivated! >.< As fer the ease of recoverin' deactivated accounts, as per that linked page up there, quote: "'''Please note that we cannot ever restore your account after you have deactivated it, so please consider this carefully before you hit the red button!'''", unquote. Technically speakin', if one wanted ta screw over someone quick-and-easy, account deactivation'd do it, but if ya wanted ta leave a lastin' impression, takin' the time ta delete a bajillion piece'a art would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:37, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Sorry about that, I got mixed up. So...if the account had actually been taken over by someone from 4chan or ED or wherever, it would have been a lot better for them to have deactivated the account, since it would have permanently removed the data? Huh...interesting to know. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 00:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Like I said, the single-most brutal thing fer them ta do would'a been ta delete every single item individually, THEN deface her page. If they just wanted her outta the way though, then yeah, deactivation would do it. {{User:Jessica U. Ingmann/tehsig}} 00:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: Added a reference image to this section of the talk page, because it's pretty obvious JE's artwork was not "deleted." [[User:PhoenixBlue|PhoenixBlue]] 00:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::Since José Eldude is a liar, and everything he has done so far shows him to be a thief, why don't we go through the article replacing "her" with "his" and so forth? Also, why are people always bringing 4chan into this? Not like /b/ gives a shit about random furry artist #13452. They're all closet furfags anyway.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 01:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Except her name is Jessica Elwood, not "José Eldude" or whatever racial insult you feel like throwing this afternoon. I am reverting some of the edits on the page and expanding it with more information. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 02:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: You vandalized the page. You removed cited info and skewed the article. Removing insults is fine, vandalizing the page via trolling or whiteknighting is not appreciated.

== Removed "revision from KiTA" ==

Removed the revisions previously made by KiTA for being highly inaccurate and also it removed neutrality to the article. Sources were cited and removed. Please keep it neutral.
:Thank you for that. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 03:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Reverted the reversion. I fixed several inaccuracies in the article, including the fact that she didn't "steal" a camwhores' pictures, she apparently commissioned them, expanded the rather non-neutral accusations of "self hacking" with information on the ability to mass store images on DA but not mass delete them, amongst others. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Reverted back to first version again. There are cited sources you are removing for favoritism. Keep it neutral. While not '''all''' the photos were stolen there were some that were and distributed. Unless you can cite that every one of them have been paid for you cannot change the article saying such.
:::: Re-reverted again. This is fun! There are a very large number of edits I made to the article, removing some obvious inaccuracies and attempts at trolling. If you feel some of those edits were in error, please feel free to edit ''those specific changes''. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: your edits are not neutral in tone, and you are defacing cited references. Knock it off. You also are changing information with absolutely no factual support to your claims.
Lock the page please - Would be beneficial to do so anyway till solid factual text can be placed on it. It's all just speculation and the speculation will just continue to grow in the meantime --[[User:Rynl|Rynl]] 04:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:I agree if it keep KiTA from removing cited references. KiTA removed cited information on locale, removed neutrality saying that everything was paid. If you are going to add edits, you need to live the cited references ALONE.
:: Re-reverted, but edited it to be a more neutral POV and restored the references at the same time. Even Camerella reports on the same twitter page that she was paid for the pictures / that her company was commissioned for them. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Removed KiTA's non neutral language again. Not all pictures. There were other pictures Jessica also used to pass off that didn't belong to Elwood either and these were not commissioned. In addition you cannot say "user Lives in California" when physical evidence is otherwise stated. Knock it off.
:::: What evidence? There is someone saying it in a forum. That's not evidence. In a few days she'll post saying "nope, I'm in California" and we'll be right to where we are right now -- he said, she said. And if it turns out she comes back and says "ok, I'm really in Mexico, ya got me", well, then we'll have a reason to make it more concrete sounding. Personally, I feel her physical location has no bearing on the article, but that's just me. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 05:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::: Actually, location in this situation DOES indeed matter, because of identity fraud and commission fraud.

Changing wording to downplay facts is not acceptable. Knock it off.
:KiTA confirmed for fanboy. Does it matter if <s>s</s>he commissioned the pics of Camerella? Regardless José Eldude tried to claim them as his own. As he did with a few other camgirls as well. His name is ''not'' Jessica Elwood. Although he wishes it was.

:Fanboys are so blind.--[[User:Fiskie|Fiskie]] 11:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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I would say that the word of a member of the FA staff is more reliable than Jessica's now, with this incident. That staff member has no reason to lie. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
: Again, it'll be her word vs theirs. And there's something to be said about a member of the FA staff voluntarily giving out personal information about a user without permission. Now, as for the "Deactivated accounts delete images", we're both right -- deactivated accounts' images remain for several months before they are removed from the server's cache. I know this because the webcam picture on [http://irisukyouko.deviantart.com/ this RP account] was available for viewing as of a month ago, but when attempting to go to the deviant user's account you got the error message about the account being deactivated. Regardless, the point of the raid was to troll the people watching her account, and thus deactivating it wasn't an option.
:: I refer you to http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Talk:Jessica_Elwood#IP_addresses_are_from_Mexico.
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99.18.62.118 and KiTA both need to stop the editing and take their discussion of difference of facts to the talk page, not the edit page.

:Silverscreen I apologize, but KiTA keeps vandalizing the wiki, I was only trying to revert it back to neutral tone, and KiTA keeps changing info. Notice I have left most of the info alone (cept for the Mexico Contribution) before KiTA started vandalizing the page.
:: I am not vandalizing the page. I am updating it with information. Also, please sign your edits on the talk page by posting 4 ~s. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::As Redfox stated, the information that Elwood's IP address originates from Mexico has been confirmed by an FA admin. For all intents and purposes, it is now fact. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 06:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kNaddJgy0CAJ:jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/%3Foffset%3D20+jessica+elwood+california&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us cashed link of JE claiming to live in cali.

Just a question; how long are you guys and KiTA going to play this game of grab-ass before you ban him for repeated vandalization and skewing of the already-declared-neutral state of the page? I believe after over five repeated and directly deliberate acts of insubordination, you'd learn that he lacks the self-control to be allowed to edit here anymore. [[User:Duckhat|Duckhat]] 11:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Also, I removed the additional "Possibly intended as a roleplay account" next to the Kacey external link. The only thing confirmed by proof is that the IP's are the same. If he's allowed to say "It could possibly be a roleplay account", then I will gladly put it back up there, and add an "Or possibly be a fallback sockpuppet account". It's up to the admins.

== Commissions Controversy ==

Per a discussion on the IRC, we'll be doing a new section under controversy about Jessica's apparent issues with late commissions. This will be where the location information makes the most sense to put in, as we'll be naturally talking about DA and FA. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the commission scandal, so, please feel free to enlighten us (in this talk page section) and we'll write up a neutral article entry about it. I do remember her ending up on the artists_beware page right before the attack, but it was apparently resolved? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 06:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: If you don't have enough information, why would you put a section up? It wouldn't be factual? That makes no sense. Read the first talk about commission issues. Until someone is informed, I do not think this to be a wise idea. Let the person with the factal information write it. That's what contributions are for.
:: That's... what I was asking. For someone to write the section up, and then we'll edit it so it sounds neutral (if needed), and put the location comment there. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 07:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

::I'll just leave these here:
::http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/344270.html
::http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1526272/
::--[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Jessica Elwood

2010-07-15T11:58:42Z

Duckhat: /* External links */

{{Unreferenced}}
'''Jessica Elwood''' is the name of a Mexican<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/77410-Rave-Something-funny-on-a-wet-weekend?p=2029321&viewfull=1#post2029321 FurAffinity Forums. Retrieved July 12, 2010]</ref> [[furry artist]] that primarily posts on [[DeviantArt]] and [[FurAffinity]]. She uses [[anime]] styled art and coloring in their artwork, and originally used a style resembling the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' animated adaptions.
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== Fursona ==
Jessica is a [[role-play]] writer, playing a [[feline]]/[[Squirrel (species)|squirrel]]/[[vixen]] mix [[fursona]] also named Jessica. This fursona has been a main character in stories written by [[The Muse of Caprice and Whimsy]].

==Controversy==
===Fake real-life photos===
[[File:Jessica-admits.jpg|thumb|right|Jessica admits to faking photos. As this was posted the same day of the hacking, there is some question of the validity of this post.]]
[[File:Camerella-facebook.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella responds after being notified of Jessica's actions]]
In July 2010 it was revealed that Jessica Elwood had been posting pictures of herself online that appear to have been commissioned from a professional modeling studio. After the similarities between the pictures posted and pictures of another woman, known as "Camerella", were discovered, Jessica (or a user posting on her account, see the section below on the July 9th hack) then admitted on her [[deviantART]] account that the images were in fact fake (as shown in the top screenshot).

Later, Camerella was notified on Twitter of what had happened, and posted on Facebook (shown in the middle screenshot) that they did not in fact know Jessica Elwood. Camerella mentioned that her studio was commissioned by an individual to take the photos with the sketchbooks, and that she saw a "JE" on some of the documentation involved in the comissions.

[[File:Camerella-4chan-video.jpg|thumb|right|Camerella discusses posting videos for /b/, a notorious forum on [[4chan]].]]

Still later, Camerella discussed creating videos for 4chan's /b/, a notorious anti-furry forum. Many "camwhores" such as Camerella got their start and advertise in 4chan's /b/ board, and participate in discussions therein.

===July 2010 hacking===

[[File:4chan-meme-in-JessicaElwood-Journal.png|thumb|right|A journal posted during the hack contains several 4chan memes, including the [[Furfag|"Burn in Hell"]] meme, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto.]]

On July 9th, at or around 3 PM EST, Jessica's DA account was apparently hacked. The alleged hackers proceeded to post [[Wikipedia:Ero guro|guro]] images of self mutilation, several references to suicide, and mock motivational posters. All of these (guro images, references to suicide, and "demotivators") are popular memes on the /b/ 4chan forum. The user then mass-stored her artwork, changed her DA status to "Dirty Beaner", locked her password and then got her banned from the site for posting the images.

This appeared to be in response for posting pictures claiming them to be of her on her normal deviantart account and picture account, only to later tell people she had been posting pictures that were not of her at all (see "Fake real-life photos," above). It is not clear at this time where the attack came from, although a Journal posted during the attack (see attached photo) contains several other 4chan memes, including a modified variant of the "Yiff in Hell, [[Furfags]]" anti-furry meme and the [[Wikipedia:Anonymous_(group)|Anonymous]] motto from /b/. In the Jessica Elwood article on the troll/parody wiki, [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], it is pointed out that the "Never forgive, never forget" part of the meme was inverted. This is cited as proof that it could not be a true 4chan user, as it would be impossible for anyone from 4chan to type it in backwards.

4chan has denied responsibility for the attack, although the possibility of it being a lone 4chan user and not an "official raid" is still possible. In addition, A post 2 weeks before on 4chan's /tg/ gaming board claims (without any evidence) that Jessica Elwood was hosting a "raid" (mass visit to a forum) of /tg/, apparently in order to increase the furry presence on the forum.<ref>[http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/tg/thread/10665193#p10665260 Traditional Games 4chan Archive. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref> It is unknown if this was a coincidence or if this had something to do with the events of July 9th, and posts in the thread suggest that there were no other posts from out and open furries on the forum. Finally, Camerella specifically thanks 4chan and /b/ in a video she posted to her website for "taking care of that Elwood faker," although this was confusion on her part.<ref>[http://www.onhercam.tv/video/camerella-has-love-for-4chan-b Tube: Camerella Has Love for 4Chan /b/ - Webcam Girls in Video-on-Demand at OnHerCam TV. Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

On July 14th, Jessica's DA account was unbanned. A quick look in her galleries showed that the deviations were actually put into storage instead of deleted. This led to several users suggesting that Jessica may have vandalized her own account to escape DeviantArt.

DeviantArt does not allow mass-deletion of content on DeviantArt, while mass-storing an entire gallery is possible. It is possible, however to delete the entire gallery when deactivating an account. <ref>[http://help.deviantart.com/113/ DeviantArt FAQ. Retrieved July 14 2010]</ref>

===Arden the Black===
Approximately around the time of the hacking incident, a DA user simultaneously began posting accusations that Jessica Elwood is really "Arden the Black" on every deviation and post they could find in relation to her. ([[Arden the Black]] was an artist who used to post images to the former Playmouse Yahoo group. His artwork can still be found on the [[Playmouse]] web site via the search feature. He also used to post on the [[VCL]] with the name Arturo Juarez, but has deleted his directory long ago.)

Some early posts from Jessica Elwood do cite Arden the Black as a reference, and mention asking for his input on artistic matters. This may explain any similarities in their early art styles.<ref>[http://www.jabarchives.com/tjaforum/showthread.php?t=710 JAB Archives, "First post!", Originally posted August 2, 2005, Retrieved July 14, 2010]</ref>

Jessica's [[Fur Affinity]] page is still online and untouched, although many otherwise empty accounts were posting shouts on it's open chat board and replying to Jessica's journals. One theory is that her FA account has a different password and the hackers were not able to break into it. Another theory is that there was no "apology" needed, as the fake photos were posted to DA, not FA, and thus there was no need to "cover up" anything. The fact that most users would know her from both sites damages this theory somewhat, however.

As of early morning, July 14th, 2010, the administration has posted a notice on her FurAffinity account that further comments and shouts will result in a ban.

==References==
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== External links ==

*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/jessicaelwood/ Jessica Elwood] on Fur Affinity
*[http://jessicaelwood.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood] on deviantART (account banned as of July 9th, restored as of July 14th)
*[http://jelwoodphoto.deviantart.com/ Jessica Elwood's Photography] on deviantART (offline as of July 9th, due to deactivation)
*[http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kaceywyandotte Kacey Wyandotte] on Fur Affinity (an alternate account, confirmed via art and IP address to be Ms. Elwood.)

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