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== Request for page removal, again ==

The time is 8:40pm Pacific time 8/22/2008. Twenty-four hours from now, I'm going to remove this page completely as I've stressed before that I have ZERO desire to be here. I've stayed quiet, I've not bothered anybody, and so this seems just and fair to me that this article is removed and forgotten about.

--[[User:Mozdoc|Mozdoc]] 03:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:(gets popcorn and folding chair, sits down to wait for the inevitable fireworks when this page gets restored after Mozdoc deletes it) [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 06:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

::Cubist, you always were an asshole - it's a wonder you're still alive. I suggest you go back to wanking and shut your mouth. John Cross [[Special:Contributions/75.7.241.13|75.7.241.13]] 01:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Interesting: Some random schmuck on the Internet, who is oh-so-solicitously-protective of the delicate sensibilities of a person that dispenses death threats the way Willy Wonka hands out candy, thinks ''I'' am an asshole... [shakes head with wry expression] You, Cross, are a silly person. I find you amusing. Don't ever change, okay? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Morning of November 11, 2008 ==

Look damnit, if you would just talk to me on AIM maybe I wouldn't be editing the same stupid page to try and get your attention. I know you're there, talk.{{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

:I can't imagine that opinions have changed in the last (not even) four months. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 08:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

::Reguardless, he has made another request for removal. This time directly to me. His opinion on the administration team is still rather low. He just wants this entire article deleted and locked. In his words "Like he never existed". The trouble is that both times this came to a vote, it ended in a tie more or less and the votes didn't get a whole lot of attention by our considerable user base. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 08:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Finally someone else sees that the whole 'vote on this' system is broken. No, its not just broken, it never worked to begin with. There is no way me or my friends could've ever made it in our favor because no matter what, administrators will always find reason to make some of the votes not count, or just simply overwhelm it with sheer numbers on their side. No, voting for my exclusion is not going to work and it will never work because everyone is already too biased against me for it to ever work. I just want my name gone, like I never existed here. I never wanted my name on here to begin with and I think its complete bullshit that I have to get people from this 'community' to agree to something to get something done that shouldn't take more than one person to do in the first place. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

About damn time you answer back. What makes you think that opinions haven't changed? How would you even know? I've volunteered at FC08 and did an outstanding job there. I've made amends to the users of FurryMUCK as well as Noriko, and have all but stayed quiet and nothing has happened to anybody for the better part of an entire year and yet that's not 'good enough' for anybody? I want my name and article removed off of WikiFur. There have been no significant edits or reasons given to continue to have it here and I want it gone, as I've repeatedly said ever since my name first started appearing here. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

: no, you have not made amends to me. please do not claim such things.
: yes, i am being nice to you, and i am trying to help you understand why things are as they are. i still do not understand why i do this myself. but, it is not because you have made amends.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==An outside-ish opinion==
I've kept mostly quiet on the subject, but I have a word or two to say as far as deletion. The person in question has made death threats, am I right? As well as several other quite serious infractions both on personal bases and to organizations. I think it's worthwhile keeping information here so people know what to watch out for. Just my two cents. I fully expect backlash on this, but so be it, I've said my piece. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 23:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Mozdoc hasn't committed any crimes outside of verbal abuse, if that's what you're asking. He has no public criminal record. `` [[Special:Contributions/98.234.188.161|98.234.188.161]] 20:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: however, there is a court action that was taken against him. please see [http://www.furbid.org/images/administaur/restrain.pdf copy of public temporary restraining order]. which he violated on more than one occasion.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: It is also worth pointing out that Mozdoc has made over 100 harassing phonecalls to my cellphone and left dozens of harassing voicemails. I posted them to my LJ recently: http://giza.livejournal.com/562492.html --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Personal Request ==

Hey umm, i kinda think it's rude to post so much bad and not enough good about him on the page. I mean, i guess i agree with IanKeith about letting people know, but they should really make it less tl;dr and add some good about him. Because this entire article makes him seem like some sort of evil monster, not like who he really is (someone who has the balls to tell off an admin when he feels the need). So maybe if people could add some good, or not erase the good i add in. That'd be nice. :) Thanks. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 05:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: i have edit your additions. details about his many threat on kacey you did remove should not be remove. they are legally documented facts.
: personal opinion about his personality should only be post if can be cited. i have long history with him. i have been through this many time. please be care full.
: also, working at fc'08 is previously documented in introduction of same article and did not need to being say again. article i have writing in past of mozdoc performance at fc'08 is in reference section. it does give many good comment about him. read rest of many thing i have write from experience will find many not good too. he is what he is and must learn to change to better person if community is to see him as better person.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 06:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::I personally know him, and he's really not a bad person. :/ Just upset about the fact theres so much information about him online that he'd rather no one knew about. I deleted the death threats part because it's just details (saying he threatened, i believe, is enough to know) that he's upset people know. A lot of people can make death threats when they're angry. Doesn't really mean they're a bad person. Besides, this entire article is just negative negative negative... it should be shortened down a LOT, and people should maybe add in the fact he's not really a bad person like this article makes him seem. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 03:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

::: i explain - you read. it is federal offense to make death threat online. the california supreme court did decide he did represent actual threat kacey life. that is why he was ban from so many convention for many year.
::: he also actively stalked her at convention more than one year time, and did require police intervention, and did require convention security intervention.
::: he has being ban from many site for active harassment and stalking of kacey, and of her wife. he has been ban from many other site for harassment and threats against other person/people, some direct some indirect, and some not related to his action harassment of kacey and her wife.
::: i have knowing him 7.5 year now. he has not change. all he does care about is what he does desire. he does not care who he does hurt if he does achieve that goal. he does still choose anger and choose to scare and hurt other people. he still does threaten, and still does refuse to accept responsibility for his choice.
::: no - he is not bad person. he is a person who does bad things. in same way a pit bull is not a bad dog, it still must be accountable for what it does do. and as owner of pit bull has obligation to warn people of danger, we have obligation to both warn people and document history of fandom, good and bad.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: Yeah, but a lot of people want their privacy respected about things like this. Like Muzz, who's page is protected. Why can't you respect his own privacy? Most people who read this read it, think he's a bad person, and he gets stuck with it. 'I've met him, talked to him... sure he's not a fluffy happy person, but he's not like, a mass murderer or anything. And from what i've been told and heard from others, his life is all free of drama except online where people won't give him another chance. And besides, he really doesn't want this page here, but you guys won't respect that. :/ I know you believe its your duty to let people know, but it's still just upsetting to him. I hate getting mixed up in it, cuz it's really none of my business, but i know exactly how he feels (i've been banned off sites for getting mad, and not given chances, as well as having a wiki page about me on ED i can't rid). I just hate that he's so upset about this. It's old news, really, and i don't think he's death threatened anyone recently... I guess i'd feel better about this page if someone would put a bunch of nice stuff about him up there too. Because this entire article focuses on the bad and none of the good. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 21:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::::: respect? we look at what meaning that word.
::::: ''esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability'' ~ dictionary dot com
::::: why not respect this desire? refer above where i have state, he has not change. he still has no respect for wikifur, wikifur admin/staff. he has no respect for the right of artists. he has no respect for me, my site, or fact my assistant admin has a vote in operation. he has zero respect for my property, fa, da, lj, or any other person that is not mozdoc. he has no respect for the law, people who risk life every day to protect other with law, or for any thing that may be in the way of mozdoc get what mozdoc does desire at moment of desire. and, when he is face that which he must respect, he does choose to be angry, belligerent, threatening, and tantrum.
::::: i have not ever being ban from any site. i do not anger, mad, upset. it does accomplish not any thing. anger is a choice, and if choice is to act way he does, consequence there is. that is call 'self responsibility compare to cause/effect'. mozdoc was warn many many time consequence of action and did makeing choice to make action that cause this issue.
::::: he has many chance been give by many. i am one who has done. i am also one who is documented on that page as nice things have publicize about him. does not change what he is and how he does act. or how he does act every time he does contact me. you do not know how he does act then, just as you do not 'think' he does thret any more. fact and opinion two separate.
::::: other thing should know - you are not first or last person he will convince he is poor person who has being wrong by society. you are not fault be cause not knowing what is past. but i ask, do not talk about respect that you claim he deserve if you will not respect the right of choice rest of us have.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 04:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

===Article Removal===
''Moved from [[Mozdoc]]''

As the owner of this name I should point out how pissed off I am about it being up here. I did not start this article about me and I have no desire to have it remain up here. I've demanded repeatedly to the WikiFur administrators to remove it immediately and all of its contents. What have I gotten? Absolutely fucking nothing. These pieces of shit fucking sorry ass excuses for administrators don't do a fucking thing, which is their JOB I should point out. Other people get their articles removed, names changed, and other shit done and it happens happily and without question for why. Me? I ask to get a fucking article removed and all I get is banned for weeks, months, or years on end which only makes me come back even more pissed off because I did NOTHING to warrant getting an article started about me and I sure as fuck am not going to tolerate it remaining up here and will continue to hunt down those that are responsible and do something about their existence.

Why haven't I gotten my article removed? Simple. The sacks of shit here claim that I've "done something worth warning others about", and that's the only fucking reason. Some lame ass piss poor excuse to make it so that they don't have to do their JOBS. GreenReaper is an absolutely useless piece of DOG SHIT. He's supposed to be the god of Wikifur because he created it. And what does he do? NOTHING. All he does is appoint other piece of dog shit administrators to handle everything, and what do they do? NOTHING. All they do is bitch, whine, moan, complain, excuse, and pretend that there isn't a fucking thing wrong with the world. Just getting my real life name removed from here was an act of god in itself and it took one administrator to just fuck over the rest and do it and tell them to fuck off. Thanks for that whoever you are but that's not what I wanted.

I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED FROM WIKIFUR IMMEDIATELY AND NO QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT FUCKING WHY.

Just getting my real life name removed required these sacks of shit to "vote" on it. Oh great, like that ever got anything fucking done because since they're the administrators they can rig shit to fall into their favor no matter what I do so therefore NOTHING GETS DONE. I do not tolerate, pretend to like, love, or worship administrators and I make no attempt to hide this fact. ADMINISTRATORS ARE FUCKING WORTHLESS, BRAINLESS, DICKLESS, MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLES AND THAT'S ALL. Absolutely useless. If they actually did their fucking job I wouldn't be having to write this would I? No. This article would be gone and I'd be much happier continuing my life in the furry fandom, cesspool of shit that its turned into.

So after being banned for a MONTH by some dick sucking prick Doug Muth, whoever the fuck you are, I come back and make it a point to find administrators and once again ask that my page be removed and no questions asked about it. What happens? Fuckface GreenReaper bans me for infinite time. What the fuck for? I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED YOU PIECE OF SHIT. REMOVE IT. THERE IS NO REASON TO FUCKING KEEP IT.

And as for you, Doug Muth, how about answering your god damn phone? I'm obviously calling you for a FUCKING REASON TO BITCH YOU THE FUCK OUT YOU ASSHOLE OVER BANNING ME FOR THE LAST MONTH. You think that I'm just going to come back and pretend everything is fine? If that's the way you think then you should be shot in the fucking head because you got another thing coming. I DO NOT GO AWAY AND FORGET THOSE WHO'VE FUCKED WITH ME AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT AND YOU INSISTENTLY BEING THE ONLY PERSON REVERSING CHANGES TO MY ARTICLE, BANNING ME, AND OTHERWISE FUCKING WITH ME WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.

It also doesn't fucking help that some asshole Noriko (Ayukawataur) thinks that this article should stay up. Again, WHAT THE FUCK FOR? So there was a legal issue between me and you that's since EXPIRED. Let it the fuck go you dickheaded piece of shit. Its over. Let it the FUCK GO. Whatever happened between me and you does not need to be told about to the entire fucking world to serve as some fucking warning to everybody else who I choose to fucking talk to.

This is the article about ME, so the rest of you fucking administrators can just fuck yourselves. Do not reverse any edits I've made because if I'm going to be FORCED into remaining in your fucking database I want people to know WHY I'm here. It isn't by my fucking choice. YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.

GET RID OF MY FUCKING ARTICLE, NOW. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.

--Mozdoc

''End move''
{{unsigned|98.148.199.252}}

== Mocking the Dead ==

Can someone who writes wiki articles well add to the [[Argon]] part of the article his mocking of the guy's death and gleefully cheering at [[Mavra]] now being a widow thanks to the @toading 10 years ago? http://mozdoc.deadjournal.com/3690.html for link goodness of his desperate need to be in a mental hospital.{{unsigned|97.126.32.36}}

And this is bothering you because...why? If there was any validity to Argon and Mavra being married physically in the real world, I'd love to see it. Really I would. I really would. Because as far as I'm fucking concerned the two delusional asses considered getting "married" the events being roleplayed out on a fucking MUCK system and so that means that in real life they're still single and unattached to each other. If they were married Mavra would've known that this Argon had died right away the day it happened December twenty-second. Instead, she isn't married to anybody and found out about it two days before the end of the year, December thirtith. I'm sorry but I cannot take these claims of being "married" as valid when it was obvious that they never were. Am I the only one seeing this?

--Mozdoc

== opinion move ==
Moved from :page
reason : opinion does not belong on :page. it does belong on :talk
for every person who does claim such nice, is possible to present as many or more who claim opposite.

: = Basic info =
: Mozdoc's basic personality is considered normal among the community with one main fault: impatience. It is a known fault that he acknowledges. To cure this and learn patience, he has taken up creating artwork. He's still learning the basics, and is wanting commentary on both his artwork and all the problems he's supposedly causing; the more direct communications with him, the more he'll learn about things.

: [[STrRedWolf]] has met Mozdoc in person at [[Further Confusion]] 2010 and found him rather likable in real life, if just initially misguided.

--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

= One sided controversy =
The existing bans and the listing of controversy that is heavy-handed and one-sided against Mozdoc only serves to further set back Mozdoc's intentions of fixing his behavior; infact, it only worsens it.

Infact, has Kacey contacted Mozdoc first off to tell him of the copyright violations? Where's the documentation in that? There's little fact in that here.

[[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 00:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

: it is all a matter of public record. all documentation of communication with him, his parents, and even his national guard unit, is documented and in the file that was submitted to the courts. if you wish to see such, request it through proper channels. it will then be from the court, official, and free of any bias.
: i would suggest you not dig too deep on that though. if it were documented here, it would only make him more angry and may hurt his situation more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Ayukawataur, you contacted his National Guard unit???? WHY????? WHY on EARTH would you drag unrelated individuals into this? Do you realize that doing so makes it look like a cheap shot, just to "get even"????

[[Special:Contributions/99.139.223.47|99.139.223.47]] 00:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== My $0.02 ==

A message to Mozdoc, as well as why this still exists (courtesy of me, from my experience)
Mozdoc has shown himself to be a bit of an ass; Much like certain CS:S admins I've run into. In fact, Mozdoc in many ways has shown himself to be the most inadult people i've ever had the unpleasure of meeting.

First, he does something retarded (okay, lots of furs do stupid things). He then goes off and evades the punishment he's been given instead of going "okay, I was an idiot, lets talk this over like adults." In doing so he proves he has the fundamental mentality of a '''child'''. A spoiled one at that.

Second, when his actions lead to people being really upset at him, he blames other people and starts throwing a temper tantrum.

Third, when people still wont clear the page he becomes irrational. To be personally honest, I'm surprised that he hasn't been sent a few more bottles of Mydol.

== From the bowels of the FA admin pits ==

http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=9834 The FA side of the Mozdoc story.{{Unsigned|Torinir}}

== This deserves to remain ==

I vote to preserve this page for informational purposes so people do not further get harassed by this user. Nobody deserves to be persistantly harassed and threatened with bodily harm.

When you get infamy for threatening to track and kill users down after they disagree over things such as art requests, you deserve to have your name smeared everwhere so everybody knows what you have done. This is what you get for being a dick to people when you don't get what you want and go on a ragefit. You have reached about the same infamy level as Sibe, Dracoguard and Ajna with your antics, Mozdoc.

That's right, rage some more with excessive cursing..that only reinforces what has been said about you. [[User:ILoveWario|ILoveWario]] 15:59, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Some Personal Advice for Mozdoc ==

As a matter of clarification, when the government decides that something is illegal, it is taken as such. Threatening someone, be it meant as a joke or serious, is still a threat. Mozdoc has made death threats, this is not a joke and the government backs this decision. When a pedophile is discovered, the government has decided that everyone that lives near that person should be aware. They have to tell their neighbors that they are a pedophile and warn them upon moving in. There is no longer any privacy permitted. The same is said for murderers who have been granted parole, bail, what-have-you. If you are and can be considered a threat to those that live around you, it should be known. Mozdoc should be thankful that his real name and address are not exposed to the community as the government would have done. I am not comparing Mozdoc to a pedophile nor a murderer. I simply use the two for clarification purposes. If you are deemed a threat to society, you no longer have privacy. I am sure this article being here upsets Mozdoc. He has every right to be upset. But as has already been stated by numerous other people, this is a penalty of your actions that you unfortunately have to deal with. Swearing will get you no respect.

If you want to be taken seriously, then apologize without rudeness or sarcasm. This kind of thing can not be forgotten, unfortunately. You can not pretend to have never said these things. You can wish all you want, but people will remember that what you have said was rude, hateful, and disrespectful. If you want to be taken seriously, a good start would be typing up a reply and before you hit "submit," go back through and remove every curse word and everything that can be construed as mean. I promise that you will be amazed at how friendly people can be. BUT, keep in mind that you are not going to get forgiveness overnight. You want this to become an unfortunate nightmare of your past, you need to stop treating people as if they mean nothing. Everyone means something and apparently these "nothings" have the power to ignore you.

People build bridges. And while you may burn down bridges as you cross them, people will repair them and build new bridges. Life is about taking wrong turns and if you ever have to backtrack across one of those burnt down brides, you will need to help repair them and ask permission to cross first. If you try to stomp across a bridge that you burnt before it can be repaired, you are going to fall. Build your own bridge and show people the craftsmanship of it. If someone points out that there is a nail sticking out that could potentially threaten the structural integrity, ask them to help you fix your bridge for stability.

(Personally: I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Mozdoc has been given more than 200 second chances. There is no longer any room for forgiveness. I have never taken what others say about someone at face value, I choose to meet said person and make my own decision. Mozdoc does not scare me, but I can assure you that I have no desire to ever meet him and make any kind of opinion for myself. If you want people to like you again Mozdoc, you need to calm down and apologize to people without the backhanded apology. Everyone has done something that they are not proud of. I have said things that I wish I had not. Usually while being sick and taking medication, something slips out that I was unable to filter, or something came across the wrong way. I wish I had not said it, but the damage is done. Some people forgive me, others block me and never speak to me again. It sucks, but such is their right and decision to respond any way of their choosing. There is no excuse, I was sick and said something stupid. Plenty of other people can manage to get sick and not say something stupid. I can not, so I accept full responsibility for my actions and take into consideration that I unfortunately may lose a friend from said consequences. It is not the end of the world. It sucks that I can not speak to them anymore, but hopefully I can meet someone else and not screw up that potential friendship.)

[[User:WolfeMasters|WolfeMasters]] 13:31 February 14, 2010 (EST)

== Really... ==

This entire page is negative. I know he may not be the nicest guy around, and you have every right to make a page to warn people. But he has good points too. I've added things before to lighten the page slightly, and they're always deleted. Can't we put something in there to say like, "Despite all of these happenings, he's still an active part of the furry community, attending many conventions and fur meets." I mean, all of this stuff is clearly biased out of his favor. No one really listens to his side. And no one even ALLOWS there to be nice things about him on that page. It's really really unfair to him. Especially if he's asked repeatedly for it to be removed. ~~
:Regardless of the information being negative, it is clearly documented fact. In this manner, Wikifur isn't much different from Wikipedia, in that a negative page is not necessarily taken down just because the subject wanted it taken down, if there is proof of the facts in the article.

:If Mozdoc wants good things in this article, then he needs to start doing good things that can be verified. Then it will be put into the article. But, until then, this information will stay. I really do not see any bias in this article, since it is verifiable facts. Regardless of his own opinion of the matter, this is a record of the things he has done. So, like I said, he needs to start doing nice things and then we'll put that information on here. So far, nothing good has been shown on his part. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:You say that "No one really listens to (Mozdoc's) side", anonymous person? Well, given the demonstrable fact that a ''highly'' nontrivial percentage of Mozdoc's "side" consists of stuff like "YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.", it's not entirely clear that "really listen(ing)" to Mozdoc would have any results that Mozdoc might desire. Dude needs to lighten the fuck up, and calm the fuck down. As long as his general approach to life can be accurately summarized as "why in God's name won't everyone in the Universe just fucking OBEY ME WITHOUT QUESTION, as is my fucking self-evident RIGHT!?!", he ''will'' continue to have a shitty reputation... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 09:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

That's real rich Cubist, considering that YOU were one of the people (Along with GreenReaper and Spirou to name two) that actually continued messing with the guy here on wikifur. Only a real idiot wouldn't have seen through the charade of the vote to remove his name - especially when after voting was complete Green suddenly changes the rules and rigs the vote, I believe he said "because those in favor of removal didn't have as many edits as you, he, and the others who voted to keep his name in".

And YES, it IS one sided, as you and your friends Dmuth, Spirou, Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, KendricksRedtail, GreenReaper, Siege, Sine have proved time and again.

[[Special:Contributions/99.139.223.47|99.139.223.47]] 00:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:How very right you are, anonymous person! I freely admit to such heinous messing-with-Mozdoc offenses as asking him to substantiate his claim that he had seven votes in his favor at a time when (by my count) there were, in fact, only ''six'' votes in his favor. Clearly, I am a terribly, terribly awful person, and my general morals/ethics are, self-evidently, ''grossly'' inferior to those of a person who has a habit of screaming obscenity-laden death threats at people who commit the inexcusable crime of ''disagreeing with him!''
:Mockery: It's not just for breakfast any more... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 23:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Of course to this day you don't want to acknowledge the removed votes, not to mention your furry pal greenreaper's changing the rules after voting was supposed to be over, among other things. Anyone not a part of your "good old boy" club can easily see through the shams and scams. It's really hard to calm things down when a group of monkeys are egging things on for their own twisted amusement. faqing with people is NOT the national pastime, Cubist. And if you're too stupid to know the consequences of it, of where it ALWAYS leads to, then you deserve what your victims deal out to you.

Unlike you and your buddies, I KNOW Mozdoc's mindset. To understand and be understood. It doesn't matter who a person is - if you faq with them OF COURSE they're going to either become hostile or keep being hostile. Think about that, Cubist.

Oh, and nice try on belittling me with the "anonymous person" label. I suggest you get a better playbook. ;)

[[Special:Contributions/99.139.223.47|99.139.223.47]] 00:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

: every two or three month pass, jeremy does have new white knight. he does convince that person how wonder full he is, and how wrong he i treat by the rest of fandom. and he does convince that person to place self in line of fire to fight his battle for him. this is normal, and it is some thing all of us who deal with him constant time are use to.
: i have know him now for eight year. i have deal with him on line, in person, and more. i speak to him more than any person should ever be force to, but i do be cause i want to see him being a better person. i have desire to see return on my investment.
: jeremy, or mozdoc as you know him, violated rules. he was warned of the consequences. he was given many chances to correct his behavior and to be a productive member of the community here and of many part of the furry fandom. i say again, many many chances over many years of time. he is responsible for his own consequences and for his own situation. he still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions of the past and does refuse to accept responsibility for action of present. he does not give proper respect, he has never one any thing to earn respect, and his constant actions both by self and by constant draft of other person to fight for him does zero but hurt self.
: i know you will not listen to me, but if you do proper research, you will learn i speak truth when i say,
: 'do not be one more of his puppet. enough person have being hurt by him. do not get involve in old battle that does not concern you. this is a private server and private system and those ho are in charge are in full legal right to respond to jeremy for his bad behavior. if jeremy does wish any change, he can hire an attorney."
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|鮎川タウル「宮雅味・記子」]] 02:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:ses an anonymous person: "I KNOW Mozdoc's mindset. To understand and be understood."
:Well, since you're so knowledgeable about Mozdoc's mindset, anonymous person, how about you tell us where the overabundant obscenities, death threats, harassment, and convicted-felonious behavior come in? For instance, which does Mozdoc put higher priority on: Understanding other people, or obsessively screaming ''you're a fucking asshole and you fucking well better DO WHAT I FUCKING TELL YOU or I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR FUCKING SLEEP you fucking worthless piece of shit'' at other people?
:"Oh, and nice try on belittling me with the 'anonymous person' label."
:''What'' 'belittling," Mr. and/or Mrs. Didn't-Mention-My-Name? You ''are'' an anonymous person! If you got a problem with people saying as much, perhaps you might want to provide some sort of identifactory label? Oh, wait, you've got a (presumably) unique IP address. My apologies, 99.139.223.47; you are ''not,'' in fact, ''truly'' 'anonymous'.
:Mozdoc has made his bed, 99.139.223.47, so he's just going to have to lie in it. He has reaped what he's sown. His every (social) action has an equal and corresponding (social) reaction. Instant Karma already ''has'' got him. Cause and effect. Mozdoc's problem is that he has, whether he realizes it or not, spent the last several years carpetbombing his reputation with magnesium-enriched napalm and sowing salt into the ground where said reputation used to exist. I do not envy him the task of rebuilding his obliterated reputation from the subatomic fragments he, himself, has reduced it to... but as long as Mozdoc ''continues'' to obsessively scream obscenity-dense death threats at people who don't obey his every word without question, it simply isn't ''possible'' for his reputation to improve. There is exactly 1 (one) person who can change the (long-standing, exhaustively documented) pattern of behavior which is the underlying foundation of Mozdoc's unenviable reputation... and that person is ''Mozdoc himself.'' Not you, 99.139.223.47; not me; not GreenReaper; but ''Mozdoc himself.'' You can go out proselytizing on Mozdoc's behalf as long as you like, 99.139.223.47, but no matter how effective your efforts at proselytizing may be, those efforts will be ''wasted'' the '''instant''' Mozdoc goes off on Yet Another Obscenity-Laden Rampage (WIth Or Without Death Threats). As well, 99.139.223.47, you can piss and moan about how awful all those ''other'' people are... but no matter how assiduously you bad-mouth other people, making other people look bad ''cannot and will not'' make ''Mozdoc'' look any better. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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== Request for page removal, again ==

The time is 8:40pm Pacific time 8/22/2008. Twenty-four hours from now, I'm going to remove this page completely as I've stressed before that I have ZERO desire to be here. I've stayed quiet, I've not bothered anybody, and so this seems just and fair to me that this article is removed and forgotten about.

--[[User:Mozdoc|Mozdoc]] 03:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:(gets popcorn and folding chair, sits down to wait for the inevitable fireworks when this page gets restored after Mozdoc deletes it) [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 06:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

::Cubist, you always were an asshole - it's a wonder you're still alive. I suggest you go back to wanking and shut your mouth. John Cross [[Special:Contributions/75.7.241.13|75.7.241.13]] 01:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Interesting: Some random schmuck on the Internet, who is oh-so-solicitously-protective of the delicate sensibilities of a person that dispenses death threats the way Willy Wonka hands out candy, thinks ''I'' am an asshole... [shakes head with wry expression] You, Cross, are a silly person. I find you amusing. Don't ever change, okay? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Morning of November 11, 2008 ==

Look damnit, if you would just talk to me on AIM maybe I wouldn't be editing the same stupid page to try and get your attention. I know you're there, talk.{{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

:I can't imagine that opinions have changed in the last (not even) four months. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 08:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

::Reguardless, he has made another request for removal. This time directly to me. His opinion on the administration team is still rather low. He just wants this entire article deleted and locked. In his words "Like he never existed". The trouble is that both times this came to a vote, it ended in a tie more or less and the votes didn't get a whole lot of attention by our considerable user base. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 08:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Finally someone else sees that the whole 'vote on this' system is broken. No, its not just broken, it never worked to begin with. There is no way me or my friends could've ever made it in our favor because no matter what, administrators will always find reason to make some of the votes not count, or just simply overwhelm it with sheer numbers on their side. No, voting for my exclusion is not going to work and it will never work because everyone is already too biased against me for it to ever work. I just want my name gone, like I never existed here. I never wanted my name on here to begin with and I think its complete bullshit that I have to get people from this 'community' to agree to something to get something done that shouldn't take more than one person to do in the first place. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

About damn time you answer back. What makes you think that opinions haven't changed? How would you even know? I've volunteered at FC08 and did an outstanding job there. I've made amends to the users of FurryMUCK as well as Noriko, and have all but stayed quiet and nothing has happened to anybody for the better part of an entire year and yet that's not 'good enough' for anybody? I want my name and article removed off of WikiFur. There have been no significant edits or reasons given to continue to have it here and I want it gone, as I've repeatedly said ever since my name first started appearing here. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

: no, you have not made amends to me. please do not claim such things.
: yes, i am being nice to you, and i am trying to help you understand why things are as they are. i still do not understand why i do this myself. but, it is not because you have made amends.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==An outside-ish opinion==
I've kept mostly quiet on the subject, but I have a word or two to say as far as deletion. The person in question has made death threats, am I right? As well as several other quite serious infractions both on personal bases and to organizations. I think it's worthwhile keeping information here so people know what to watch out for. Just my two cents. I fully expect backlash on this, but so be it, I've said my piece. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 23:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Mozdoc hasn't committed any crimes outside of verbal abuse, if that's what you're asking. He has no public criminal record. `` [[Special:Contributions/98.234.188.161|98.234.188.161]] 20:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: however, there is a court action that was taken against him. please see [http://www.furbid.org/images/administaur/restrain.pdf copy of public temporary restraining order]. which he violated on more than one occasion.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: It is also worth pointing out that Mozdoc has made over 100 harassing phonecalls to my cellphone and left dozens of harassing voicemails. I posted them to my LJ recently: http://giza.livejournal.com/562492.html --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Personal Request ==

Hey umm, i kinda think it's rude to post so much bad and not enough good about him on the page. I mean, i guess i agree with IanKeith about letting people know, but they should really make it less tl;dr and add some good about him. Because this entire article makes him seem like some sort of evil monster, not like who he really is (someone who has the balls to tell off an admin when he feels the need). So maybe if people could add some good, or not erase the good i add in. That'd be nice. :) Thanks. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 05:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: i have edit your additions. details about his many threat on kacey you did remove should not be remove. they are legally documented facts.
: personal opinion about his personality should only be post if can be cited. i have long history with him. i have been through this many time. please be care full.
: also, working at fc'08 is previously documented in introduction of same article and did not need to being say again. article i have writing in past of mozdoc performance at fc'08 is in reference section. it does give many good comment about him. read rest of many thing i have write from experience will find many not good too. he is what he is and must learn to change to better person if community is to see him as better person.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 06:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::I personally know him, and he's really not a bad person. :/ Just upset about the fact theres so much information about him online that he'd rather no one knew about. I deleted the death threats part because it's just details (saying he threatened, i believe, is enough to know) that he's upset people know. A lot of people can make death threats when they're angry. Doesn't really mean they're a bad person. Besides, this entire article is just negative negative negative... it should be shortened down a LOT, and people should maybe add in the fact he's not really a bad person like this article makes him seem. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 03:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

::: i explain - you read. it is federal offense to make death threat online. the california supreme court did decide he did represent actual threat kacey life. that is why he was ban from so many convention for many year.
::: he also actively stalked her at convention more than one year time, and did require police intervention, and did require convention security intervention.
::: he has being ban from many site for active harassment and stalking of kacey, and of her wife. he has been ban from many other site for harassment and threats against other person/people, some direct some indirect, and some not related to his action harassment of kacey and her wife.
::: i have knowing him 7.5 year now. he has not change. all he does care about is what he does desire. he does not care who he does hurt if he does achieve that goal. he does still choose anger and choose to scare and hurt other people. he still does threaten, and still does refuse to accept responsibility for his choice.
::: no - he is not bad person. he is a person who does bad things. in same way a pit bull is not a bad dog, it still must be accountable for what it does do. and as owner of pit bull has obligation to warn people of danger, we have obligation to both warn people and document history of fandom, good and bad.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: Yeah, but a lot of people want their privacy respected about things like this. Like Muzz, who's page is protected. Why can't you respect his own privacy? Most people who read this read it, think he's a bad person, and he gets stuck with it. 'I've met him, talked to him... sure he's not a fluffy happy person, but he's not like, a mass murderer or anything. And from what i've been told and heard from others, his life is all free of drama except online where people won't give him another chance. And besides, he really doesn't want this page here, but you guys won't respect that. :/ I know you believe its your duty to let people know, but it's still just upsetting to him. I hate getting mixed up in it, cuz it's really none of my business, but i know exactly how he feels (i've been banned off sites for getting mad, and not given chances, as well as having a wiki page about me on ED i can't rid). I just hate that he's so upset about this. It's old news, really, and i don't think he's death threatened anyone recently... I guess i'd feel better about this page if someone would put a bunch of nice stuff about him up there too. Because this entire article focuses on the bad and none of the good. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 21:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::::: respect? we look at what meaning that word.
::::: ''esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability'' ~ dictionary dot com
::::: why not respect this desire? refer above where i have state, he has not change. he still has no respect for wikifur, wikifur admin/staff. he has no respect for the right of artists. he has no respect for me, my site, or fact my assistant admin has a vote in operation. he has zero respect for my property, fa, da, lj, or any other person that is not mozdoc. he has no respect for the law, people who risk life every day to protect other with law, or for any thing that may be in the way of mozdoc get what mozdoc does desire at moment of desire. and, when he is face that which he must respect, he does choose to be angry, belligerent, threatening, and tantrum.
::::: i have not ever being ban from any site. i do not anger, mad, upset. it does accomplish not any thing. anger is a choice, and if choice is to act way he does, consequence there is. that is call 'self responsibility compare to cause/effect'. mozdoc was warn many many time consequence of action and did makeing choice to make action that cause this issue.
::::: he has many chance been give by many. i am one who has done. i am also one who is documented on that page as nice things have publicize about him. does not change what he is and how he does act. or how he does act every time he does contact me. you do not know how he does act then, just as you do not 'think' he does thret any more. fact and opinion two separate.
::::: other thing should know - you are not first or last person he will convince he is poor person who has being wrong by society. you are not fault be cause not knowing what is past. but i ask, do not talk about respect that you claim he deserve if you will not respect the right of choice rest of us have.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 04:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

===Article Removal===
''Moved from [[Mozdoc]]''

As the owner of this name I should point out how pissed off I am about it being up here. I did not start this article about me and I have no desire to have it remain up here. I've demanded repeatedly to the WikiFur administrators to remove it immediately and all of its contents. What have I gotten? Absolutely fucking nothing. These pieces of shit fucking sorry ass excuses for administrators don't do a fucking thing, which is their JOB I should point out. Other people get their articles removed, names changed, and other shit done and it happens happily and without question for why. Me? I ask to get a fucking article removed and all I get is banned for weeks, months, or years on end which only makes me come back even more pissed off because I did NOTHING to warrant getting an article started about me and I sure as fuck am not going to tolerate it remaining up here and will continue to hunt down those that are responsible and do something about their existence.

Why haven't I gotten my article removed? Simple. The sacks of shit here claim that I've "done something worth warning others about", and that's the only fucking reason. Some lame ass piss poor excuse to make it so that they don't have to do their JOBS. GreenReaper is an absolutely useless piece of DOG SHIT. He's supposed to be the god of Wikifur because he created it. And what does he do? NOTHING. All he does is appoint other piece of dog shit administrators to handle everything, and what do they do? NOTHING. All they do is bitch, whine, moan, complain, excuse, and pretend that there isn't a fucking thing wrong with the world. Just getting my real life name removed from here was an act of god in itself and it took one administrator to just fuck over the rest and do it and tell them to fuck off. Thanks for that whoever you are but that's not what I wanted.

I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED FROM WIKIFUR IMMEDIATELY AND NO QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT FUCKING WHY.

Just getting my real life name removed required these sacks of shit to "vote" on it. Oh great, like that ever got anything fucking done because since they're the administrators they can rig shit to fall into their favor no matter what I do so therefore NOTHING GETS DONE. I do not tolerate, pretend to like, love, or worship administrators and I make no attempt to hide this fact. ADMINISTRATORS ARE FUCKING WORTHLESS, BRAINLESS, DICKLESS, MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLES AND THAT'S ALL. Absolutely useless. If they actually did their fucking job I wouldn't be having to write this would I? No. This article would be gone and I'd be much happier continuing my life in the furry fandom, cesspool of shit that its turned into.

So after being banned for a MONTH by some dick sucking prick Doug Muth, whoever the fuck you are, I come back and make it a point to find administrators and once again ask that my page be removed and no questions asked about it. What happens? Fuckface GreenReaper bans me for infinite time. What the fuck for? I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED YOU PIECE OF SHIT. REMOVE IT. THERE IS NO REASON TO FUCKING KEEP IT.

And as for you, Doug Muth, how about answering your god damn phone? I'm obviously calling you for a FUCKING REASON TO BITCH YOU THE FUCK OUT YOU ASSHOLE OVER BANNING ME FOR THE LAST MONTH. You think that I'm just going to come back and pretend everything is fine? If that's the way you think then you should be shot in the fucking head because you got another thing coming. I DO NOT GO AWAY AND FORGET THOSE WHO'VE FUCKED WITH ME AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT AND YOU INSISTENTLY BEING THE ONLY PERSON REVERSING CHANGES TO MY ARTICLE, BANNING ME, AND OTHERWISE FUCKING WITH ME WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.

It also doesn't fucking help that some asshole Noriko (Ayukawataur) thinks that this article should stay up. Again, WHAT THE FUCK FOR? So there was a legal issue between me and you that's since EXPIRED. Let it the fuck go you dickheaded piece of shit. Its over. Let it the FUCK GO. Whatever happened between me and you does not need to be told about to the entire fucking world to serve as some fucking warning to everybody else who I choose to fucking talk to.

This is the article about ME, so the rest of you fucking administrators can just fuck yourselves. Do not reverse any edits I've made because if I'm going to be FORCED into remaining in your fucking database I want people to know WHY I'm here. It isn't by my fucking choice. YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.

GET RID OF MY FUCKING ARTICLE, NOW. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.

--Mozdoc

''End move''
{{unsigned|98.148.199.252}}

== Mocking the Dead ==

Can someone who writes wiki articles well add to the [[Argon]] part of the article his mocking of the guy's death and gleefully cheering at [[Mavra]] now being a widow thanks to the @toading 10 years ago? http://mozdoc.deadjournal.com/3690.html for link goodness of his desperate need to be in a mental hospital.{{unsigned|97.126.32.36}}

And this is bothering you because...why? If there was any validity to Argon and Mavra being married physically in the real world, I'd love to see it. Really I would. I really would. Because as far as I'm fucking concerned the two delusional asses considered getting "married" the events being roleplayed out on a fucking MUCK system and so that means that in real life they're still single and unattached to each other. If they were married Mavra would've known that this Argon had died right away the day it happened December twenty-second. Instead, she isn't married to anybody and found out about it two days before the end of the year, December thirtith. I'm sorry but I cannot take these claims of being "married" as valid when it was obvious that they never were. Am I the only one seeing this?

--Mozdoc

== opinion move ==
Moved from :page
reason : opinion does not belong on :page. it does belong on :talk
for every person who does claim such nice, is possible to present as many or more who claim opposite.

: = Basic info =
: Mozdoc's basic personality is considered normal among the community with one main fault: impatience. It is a known fault that he acknowledges. To cure this and learn patience, he has taken up creating artwork. He's still learning the basics, and is wanting commentary on both his artwork and all the problems he's supposedly causing; the more direct communications with him, the more he'll learn about things.

: [[STrRedWolf]] has met Mozdoc in person at [[Further Confusion]] 2010 and found him rather likable in real life, if just initially misguided.

--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

= One sided controversy =
The existing bans and the listing of controversy that is heavy-handed and one-sided against Mozdoc only serves to further set back Mozdoc's intentions of fixing his behavior; infact, it only worsens it.

Infact, has Kacey contacted Mozdoc first off to tell him of the copyright violations? Where's the documentation in that? There's little fact in that here.

[[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 00:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

: it is all a matter of public record. all documentation of communication with him, his parents, and even his national guard unit, is documented and in the file that was submitted to the courts. if you wish to see such, request it through proper channels. it will then be from the court, official, and free of any bias.
: i would suggest you not dig too deep on that though. if it were documented here, it would only make him more angry and may hurt his situation more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== My $0.02 ==

A message to Mozdoc, as well as why this still exists (courtesy of me, from my experience)
Mozdoc has shown himself to be a bit of an ass; Much like certain CS:S admins I've run into. In fact, Mozdoc in many ways has shown himself to be the most inadult people i've ever had the unpleasure of meeting.

First, he does something retarded (okay, lots of furs do stupid things). He then goes off and evades the punishment he's been given instead of going "okay, I was an idiot, lets talk this over like adults." In doing so he proves he has the fundamental mentality of a '''child'''. A spoiled one at that.

Second, when his actions lead to people being really upset at him, he blames other people and starts throwing a temper tantrum.

Third, when people still wont clear the page he becomes irrational. To be personally honest, I'm surprised that he hasn't been sent a few more bottles of Mydol.

== From the bowels of the FA admin pits ==

http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=9834 The FA side of the Mozdoc story.{{Unsigned|Torinir}}

== This deserves to remain ==

I vote to preserve this page for informational purposes so people do not further get harassed by this user. Nobody deserves to be persistantly harassed and threatened with bodily harm.

When you get infamy for threatening to track and kill users down after they disagree over things such as art requests, you deserve to have your name smeared everwhere so everybody knows what you have done. This is what you get for being a dick to people when you don't get what you want and go on a ragefit. You have reached about the same infamy level as Sibe, Dracoguard and Ajna with your antics, Mozdoc.

That's right, rage some more with excessive cursing..that only reinforces what has been said about you. [[User:ILoveWario|ILoveWario]] 15:59, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Some Personal Advice for Mozdoc ==

As a matter of clarification, when the government decides that something is illegal, it is taken as such. Threatening someone, be it meant as a joke or serious, is still a threat. Mozdoc has made death threats, this is not a joke and the government backs this decision. When a pedophile is discovered, the government has decided that everyone that lives near that person should be aware. They have to tell their neighbors that they are a pedophile and warn them upon moving in. There is no longer any privacy permitted. The same is said for murderers who have been granted parole, bail, what-have-you. If you are and can be considered a threat to those that live around you, it should be known. Mozdoc should be thankful that his real name and address are not exposed to the community as the government would have done. I am not comparing Mozdoc to a pedophile nor a murderer. I simply use the two for clarification purposes. If you are deemed a threat to society, you no longer have privacy. I am sure this article being here upsets Mozdoc. He has every right to be upset. But as has already been stated by numerous other people, this is a penalty of your actions that you unfortunately have to deal with. Swearing will get you no respect.

If you want to be taken seriously, then apologize without rudeness or sarcasm. This kind of thing can not be forgotten, unfortunately. You can not pretend to have never said these things. You can wish all you want, but people will remember that what you have said was rude, hateful, and disrespectful. If you want to be taken seriously, a good start would be typing up a reply and before you hit "submit," go back through and remove every curse word and everything that can be construed as mean. I promise that you will be amazed at how friendly people can be. BUT, keep in mind that you are not going to get forgiveness overnight. You want this to become an unfortunate nightmare of your past, you need to stop treating people as if they mean nothing. Everyone means something and apparently these "nothings" have the power to ignore you.

People build bridges. And while you may burn down bridges as you cross them, people will repair them and build new bridges. Life is about taking wrong turns and if you ever have to backtrack across one of those burnt down brides, you will need to help repair them and ask permission to cross first. If you try to stomp across a bridge that you burnt before it can be repaired, you are going to fall. Build your own bridge and show people the craftsmanship of it. If someone points out that there is a nail sticking out that could potentially threaten the structural integrity, ask them to help you fix your bridge for stability.

(Personally: I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Mozdoc has been given more than 200 second chances. There is no longer any room for forgiveness. I have never taken what others say about someone at face value, I choose to meet said person and make my own decision. Mozdoc does not scare me, but I can assure you that I have no desire to ever meet him and make any kind of opinion for myself. If you want people to like you again Mozdoc, you need to calm down and apologize to people without the backhanded apology. Everyone has done something that they are not proud of. I have said things that I wish I had not. Usually while being sick and taking medication, something slips out that I was unable to filter, or something came across the wrong way. I wish I had not said it, but the damage is done. Some people forgive me, others block me and never speak to me again. It sucks, but such is their right and decision to respond any way of their choosing. There is no excuse, I was sick and said something stupid. Plenty of other people can manage to get sick and not say something stupid. I can not, so I accept full responsibility for my actions and take into consideration that I unfortunately may lose a friend from said consequences. It is not the end of the world. It sucks that I can not speak to them anymore, but hopefully I can meet someone else and not screw up that potential friendship.)

[[User:WolfeMasters|WolfeMasters]] 13:31 February 14, 2010 (EST)

== Really... ==

This entire page is negative. I know he may not be the nicest guy around, and you have every right to make a page to warn people. But he has good points too. I've added things before to lighten the page slightly, and they're always deleted. Can't we put something in there to say like, "Despite all of these happenings, he's still an active part of the furry community, attending many conventions and fur meets." I mean, all of this stuff is clearly biased out of his favor. No one really listens to his side. And no one even ALLOWS there to be nice things about him on that page. It's really really unfair to him. Especially if he's asked repeatedly for it to be removed. ~~
:Regardless of the information being negative, it is clearly documented fact. In this manner, Wikifur isn't much different from Wikipedia, in that a negative page is not necessarily taken down just because the subject wanted it taken down, if there is proof of the facts in the article.

:If Mozdoc wants good things in this article, then he needs to start doing good things that can be verified. Then it will be put into the article. But, until then, this information will stay. I really do not see any bias in this article, since it is verifiable facts. Regardless of his own opinion of the matter, this is a record of the things he has done. So, like I said, he needs to start doing nice things and then we'll put that information on here. So far, nothing good has been shown on his part. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:You say that "No one really listens to (Mozdoc's) side", anonymous person? Well, given the demonstrable fact that a ''highly'' nontrivial percentage of Mozdoc's "side" consists of stuff like "YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.", it's not entirely clear that "really listen(ing)" to Mozdoc would have any results that Mozdoc might desire. Dude needs to lighten the fuck up, and calm the fuck down. As long as his general approach to life can be accurately summarized as "why in God's name won't everyone in the Universe just fucking OBEY ME WITHOUT QUESTION, as is my fucking self-evident RIGHT!?!", he ''will'' continue to have a shitty reputation... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 09:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

That's real rich Cubist, considering that YOU were one of the people (Along with GreenReaper and Spirou to name two) that actually continued messing with the guy here on wikifur. Only a real idiot wouldn't have seen through the charade of the vote to remove his name - especially when after voting was complete Green suddenly changes the rules and rigs the vote, I believe he said "because those in favor of removal didn't have as many edits as you, he, and the others who voted to keep his name in".

And YES, it IS one sided, as you and your friends Dmuth, Spirou, Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, KendricksRedtail, GreenReaper, Siege, Sine have proved time and again.

[[Special:Contributions/99.139.223.47|99.139.223.47]] 00:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:How very right you are, anonymous person! I freely admit to such heinous messing-with-Mozdoc offenses as asking him to substantiate his claim that he had seven votes in his favor at a time when (by my count) there were, in fact, only ''six'' votes in his favor. Clearly, I am a terribly, terribly awful person, and my general morals/ethics are, self-evidently, ''grossly'' inferior to those of a person who has a habit of screaming obscenity-laden death threats at people who commit the inexcusable crime of ''disagreeing with him!''
:Mockery: It's not just for breakfast any more... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 23:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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== Request for page removal, again ==

The time is 8:40pm Pacific time 8/22/2008. Twenty-four hours from now, I'm going to remove this page completely as I've stressed before that I have ZERO desire to be here. I've stayed quiet, I've not bothered anybody, and so this seems just and fair to me that this article is removed and forgotten about.

--[[User:Mozdoc|Mozdoc]] 03:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

:(gets popcorn and folding chair, sits down to wait for the inevitable fireworks when this page gets restored after Mozdoc deletes it) [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 06:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

::Cubist, you always were an asshole - it's a wonder you're still alive. I suggest you go back to wanking and shut your mouth. John Cross [[Special:Contributions/75.7.241.13|75.7.241.13]] 01:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Interesting: Some random schmuck on the Internet, who is oh-so-solicitously-protective of the delicate sensibilities of a person that dispenses death threats the way Willy Wonka hands out candy, thinks ''I'' am an asshole... [shakes head with wry expression] You, Cross, are a silly person. I find you amusing. Don't ever change, okay? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Morning of November 11, 2008 ==

Look damnit, if you would just talk to me on AIM maybe I wouldn't be editing the same stupid page to try and get your attention. I know you're there, talk.{{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

:I can't imagine that opinions have changed in the last (not even) four months. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 08:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

::Reguardless, he has made another request for removal. This time directly to me. His opinion on the administration team is still rather low. He just wants this entire article deleted and locked. In his words "Like he never existed". The trouble is that both times this came to a vote, it ended in a tie more or less and the votes didn't get a whole lot of attention by our considerable user base. --[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 08:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Agreed. Finally someone else sees that the whole 'vote on this' system is broken. No, its not just broken, it never worked to begin with. There is no way me or my friends could've ever made it in our favor because no matter what, administrators will always find reason to make some of the votes not count, or just simply overwhelm it with sheer numbers on their side. No, voting for my exclusion is not going to work and it will never work because everyone is already too biased against me for it to ever work. I just want my name gone, like I never existed here. I never wanted my name on here to begin with and I think its complete bullshit that I have to get people from this 'community' to agree to something to get something done that shouldn't take more than one person to do in the first place. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

About damn time you answer back. What makes you think that opinions haven't changed? How would you even know? I've volunteered at FC08 and did an outstanding job there. I've made amends to the users of FurryMUCK as well as Noriko, and have all but stayed quiet and nothing has happened to anybody for the better part of an entire year and yet that's not 'good enough' for anybody? I want my name and article removed off of WikiFur. There have been no significant edits or reasons given to continue to have it here and I want it gone, as I've repeatedly said ever since my name first started appearing here. {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

: no, you have not made amends to me. please do not claim such things.
: yes, i am being nice to you, and i am trying to help you understand why things are as they are. i still do not understand why i do this myself. but, it is not because you have made amends.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==An outside-ish opinion==
I've kept mostly quiet on the subject, but I have a word or two to say as far as deletion. The person in question has made death threats, am I right? As well as several other quite serious infractions both on personal bases and to organizations. I think it's worthwhile keeping information here so people know what to watch out for. Just my two cents. I fully expect backlash on this, but so be it, I've said my piece. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 23:43, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Mozdoc hasn't committed any crimes outside of verbal abuse, if that's what you're asking. He has no public criminal record. `` [[Special:Contributions/98.234.188.161|98.234.188.161]] 20:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: however, there is a court action that was taken against him. please see [http://www.furbid.org/images/administaur/restrain.pdf copy of public temporary restraining order]. which he violated on more than one occasion.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

: It is also worth pointing out that Mozdoc has made over 100 harassing phonecalls to my cellphone and left dozens of harassing voicemails. I posted them to my LJ recently: http://giza.livejournal.com/562492.html --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 21:40, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Personal Request ==

Hey umm, i kinda think it's rude to post so much bad and not enough good about him on the page. I mean, i guess i agree with IanKeith about letting people know, but they should really make it less tl;dr and add some good about him. Because this entire article makes him seem like some sort of evil monster, not like who he really is (someone who has the balls to tell off an admin when he feels the need). So maybe if people could add some good, or not erase the good i add in. That'd be nice. :) Thanks. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 05:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: i have edit your additions. details about his many threat on kacey you did remove should not be remove. they are legally documented facts.
: personal opinion about his personality should only be post if can be cited. i have long history with him. i have been through this many time. please be care full.
: also, working at fc'08 is previously documented in introduction of same article and did not need to being say again. article i have writing in past of mozdoc performance at fc'08 is in reference section. it does give many good comment about him. read rest of many thing i have write from experience will find many not good too. he is what he is and must learn to change to better person if community is to see him as better person.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 06:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::I personally know him, and he's really not a bad person. :/ Just upset about the fact theres so much information about him online that he'd rather no one knew about. I deleted the death threats part because it's just details (saying he threatened, i believe, is enough to know) that he's upset people know. A lot of people can make death threats when they're angry. Doesn't really mean they're a bad person. Besides, this entire article is just negative negative negative... it should be shortened down a LOT, and people should maybe add in the fact he's not really a bad person like this article makes him seem. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 03:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

::: i explain - you read. it is federal offense to make death threat online. the california supreme court did decide he did represent actual threat kacey life. that is why he was ban from so many convention for many year.
::: he also actively stalked her at convention more than one year time, and did require police intervention, and did require convention security intervention.
::: he has being ban from many site for active harassment and stalking of kacey, and of her wife. he has been ban from many other site for harassment and threats against other person/people, some direct some indirect, and some not related to his action harassment of kacey and her wife.
::: i have knowing him 7.5 year now. he has not change. all he does care about is what he does desire. he does not care who he does hurt if he does achieve that goal. he does still choose anger and choose to scare and hurt other people. he still does threaten, and still does refuse to accept responsibility for his choice.
::: no - he is not bad person. he is a person who does bad things. in same way a pit bull is not a bad dog, it still must be accountable for what it does do. and as owner of pit bull has obligation to warn people of danger, we have obligation to both warn people and document history of fandom, good and bad.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: Yeah, but a lot of people want their privacy respected about things like this. Like Muzz, who's page is protected. Why can't you respect his own privacy? Most people who read this read it, think he's a bad person, and he gets stuck with it. 'I've met him, talked to him... sure he's not a fluffy happy person, but he's not like, a mass murderer or anything. And from what i've been told and heard from others, his life is all free of drama except online where people won't give him another chance. And besides, he really doesn't want this page here, but you guys won't respect that. :/ I know you believe its your duty to let people know, but it's still just upsetting to him. I hate getting mixed up in it, cuz it's really none of my business, but i know exactly how he feels (i've been banned off sites for getting mad, and not given chances, as well as having a wiki page about me on ED i can't rid). I just hate that he's so upset about this. It's old news, really, and i don't think he's death threatened anyone recently... I guess i'd feel better about this page if someone would put a bunch of nice stuff about him up there too. Because this entire article focuses on the bad and none of the good. :/ [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 21:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::::: respect? we look at what meaning that word.
::::: ''esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability'' ~ dictionary dot com
::::: why not respect this desire? refer above where i have state, he has not change. he still has no respect for wikifur, wikifur admin/staff. he has no respect for the right of artists. he has no respect for me, my site, or fact my assistant admin has a vote in operation. he has zero respect for my property, fa, da, lj, or any other person that is not mozdoc. he has no respect for the law, people who risk life every day to protect other with law, or for any thing that may be in the way of mozdoc get what mozdoc does desire at moment of desire. and, when he is face that which he must respect, he does choose to be angry, belligerent, threatening, and tantrum.
::::: i have not ever being ban from any site. i do not anger, mad, upset. it does accomplish not any thing. anger is a choice, and if choice is to act way he does, consequence there is. that is call 'self responsibility compare to cause/effect'. mozdoc was warn many many time consequence of action and did makeing choice to make action that cause this issue.
::::: he has many chance been give by many. i am one who has done. i am also one who is documented on that page as nice things have publicize about him. does not change what he is and how he does act. or how he does act every time he does contact me. you do not know how he does act then, just as you do not 'think' he does thret any more. fact and opinion two separate.
::::: other thing should know - you are not first or last person he will convince he is poor person who has being wrong by society. you are not fault be cause not knowing what is past. but i ask, do not talk about respect that you claim he deserve if you will not respect the right of choice rest of us have.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 04:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

===Article Removal===
''Moved from [[Mozdoc]]''

As the owner of this name I should point out how pissed off I am about it being up here. I did not start this article about me and I have no desire to have it remain up here. I've demanded repeatedly to the WikiFur administrators to remove it immediately and all of its contents. What have I gotten? Absolutely fucking nothing. These pieces of shit fucking sorry ass excuses for administrators don't do a fucking thing, which is their JOB I should point out. Other people get their articles removed, names changed, and other shit done and it happens happily and without question for why. Me? I ask to get a fucking article removed and all I get is banned for weeks, months, or years on end which only makes me come back even more pissed off because I did NOTHING to warrant getting an article started about me and I sure as fuck am not going to tolerate it remaining up here and will continue to hunt down those that are responsible and do something about their existence.

Why haven't I gotten my article removed? Simple. The sacks of shit here claim that I've "done something worth warning others about", and that's the only fucking reason. Some lame ass piss poor excuse to make it so that they don't have to do their JOBS. GreenReaper is an absolutely useless piece of DOG SHIT. He's supposed to be the god of Wikifur because he created it. And what does he do? NOTHING. All he does is appoint other piece of dog shit administrators to handle everything, and what do they do? NOTHING. All they do is bitch, whine, moan, complain, excuse, and pretend that there isn't a fucking thing wrong with the world. Just getting my real life name removed from here was an act of god in itself and it took one administrator to just fuck over the rest and do it and tell them to fuck off. Thanks for that whoever you are but that's not what I wanted.

I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED FROM WIKIFUR IMMEDIATELY AND NO QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT FUCKING WHY.

Just getting my real life name removed required these sacks of shit to "vote" on it. Oh great, like that ever got anything fucking done because since they're the administrators they can rig shit to fall into their favor no matter what I do so therefore NOTHING GETS DONE. I do not tolerate, pretend to like, love, or worship administrators and I make no attempt to hide this fact. ADMINISTRATORS ARE FUCKING WORTHLESS, BRAINLESS, DICKLESS, MOTHER FUCKING ASSHOLES AND THAT'S ALL. Absolutely useless. If they actually did their fucking job I wouldn't be having to write this would I? No. This article would be gone and I'd be much happier continuing my life in the furry fandom, cesspool of shit that its turned into.

So after being banned for a MONTH by some dick sucking prick Doug Muth, whoever the fuck you are, I come back and make it a point to find administrators and once again ask that my page be removed and no questions asked about it. What happens? Fuckface GreenReaper bans me for infinite time. What the fuck for? I WANT MY FUCKING ARTICLE REMOVED YOU PIECE OF SHIT. REMOVE IT. THERE IS NO REASON TO FUCKING KEEP IT.

And as for you, Doug Muth, how about answering your god damn phone? I'm obviously calling you for a FUCKING REASON TO BITCH YOU THE FUCK OUT YOU ASSHOLE OVER BANNING ME FOR THE LAST MONTH. You think that I'm just going to come back and pretend everything is fine? If that's the way you think then you should be shot in the fucking head because you got another thing coming. I DO NOT GO AWAY AND FORGET THOSE WHO'VE FUCKED WITH ME AND THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT AND YOU INSISTENTLY BEING THE ONLY PERSON REVERSING CHANGES TO MY ARTICLE, BANNING ME, AND OTHERWISE FUCKING WITH ME WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.

It also doesn't fucking help that some asshole Noriko (Ayukawataur) thinks that this article should stay up. Again, WHAT THE FUCK FOR? So there was a legal issue between me and you that's since EXPIRED. Let it the fuck go you dickheaded piece of shit. Its over. Let it the FUCK GO. Whatever happened between me and you does not need to be told about to the entire fucking world to serve as some fucking warning to everybody else who I choose to fucking talk to.

This is the article about ME, so the rest of you fucking administrators can just fuck yourselves. Do not reverse any edits I've made because if I'm going to be FORCED into remaining in your fucking database I want people to know WHY I'm here. It isn't by my fucking choice. YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.

GET RID OF MY FUCKING ARTICLE, NOW. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE.

--Mozdoc

''End move''
{{unsigned|98.148.199.252}}

== Mocking the Dead ==

Can someone who writes wiki articles well add to the [[Argon]] part of the article his mocking of the guy's death and gleefully cheering at [[Mavra]] now being a widow thanks to the @toading 10 years ago? http://mozdoc.deadjournal.com/3690.html for link goodness of his desperate need to be in a mental hospital.{{unsigned|97.126.32.36}}

And this is bothering you because...why? If there was any validity to Argon and Mavra being married physically in the real world, I'd love to see it. Really I would. I really would. Because as far as I'm fucking concerned the two delusional asses considered getting "married" the events being roleplayed out on a fucking MUCK system and so that means that in real life they're still single and unattached to each other. If they were married Mavra would've known that this Argon had died right away the day it happened December twenty-second. Instead, she isn't married to anybody and found out about it two days before the end of the year, December thirtith. I'm sorry but I cannot take these claims of being "married" as valid when it was obvious that they never were. Am I the only one seeing this?

--Mozdoc

== opinion move ==
Moved from :page
reason : opinion does not belong on :page. it does belong on :talk
for every person who does claim such nice, is possible to present as many or more who claim opposite.

: = Basic info =
: Mozdoc's basic personality is considered normal among the community with one main fault: impatience. It is a known fault that he acknowledges. To cure this and learn patience, he has taken up creating artwork. He's still learning the basics, and is wanting commentary on both his artwork and all the problems he's supposedly causing; the more direct communications with him, the more he'll learn about things.

: [[STrRedWolf]] has met Mozdoc in person at [[Further Confusion]] 2010 and found him rather likable in real life, if just initially misguided.

--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 02:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

= One sided controversy =
The existing bans and the listing of controversy that is heavy-handed and one-sided against Mozdoc only serves to further set back Mozdoc's intentions of fixing his behavior; infact, it only worsens it.

Infact, has Kacey contacted Mozdoc first off to tell him of the copyright violations? Where's the documentation in that? There's little fact in that here.

[[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 00:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

: it is all a matter of public record. all documentation of communication with him, his parents, and even his national guard unit, is documented and in the file that was submitted to the courts. if you wish to see such, request it through proper channels. it will then be from the court, official, and free of any bias.
: i would suggest you not dig too deep on that though. if it were documented here, it would only make him more angry and may hurt his situation more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== My $0.02 ==

A message to Mozdoc, as well as why this still exists (courtesy of me, from my experience)
Mozdoc has shown himself to be a bit of an ass; Much like certain CS:S admins I've run into. In fact, Mozdoc in many ways has shown himself to be the most inadult people i've ever had the unpleasure of meeting.

First, he does something retarded (okay, lots of furs do stupid things). He then goes off and evades the punishment he's been given instead of going "okay, I was an idiot, lets talk this over like adults." In doing so he proves he has the fundamental mentality of a '''child'''. A spoiled one at that.

Second, when his actions lead to people being really upset at him, he blames other people and starts throwing a temper tantrum.

Third, when people still wont clear the page he becomes irrational. To be personally honest, I'm surprised that he hasn't been sent a few more bottles of Mydol.

== From the bowels of the FA admin pits ==

http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=9834 The FA side of the Mozdoc story.{{Unsigned|Torinir}}

== This deserves to remain ==

I vote to preserve this page for informational purposes so people do not further get harassed by this user. Nobody deserves to be persistantly harassed and threatened with bodily harm.

When you get infamy for threatening to track and kill users down after they disagree over things such as art requests, you deserve to have your name smeared everwhere so everybody knows what you have done. This is what you get for being a dick to people when you don't get what you want and go on a ragefit. You have reached about the same infamy level as Sibe, Dracoguard and Ajna with your antics, Mozdoc.

That's right, rage some more with excessive cursing..that only reinforces what has been said about you. [[User:ILoveWario|ILoveWario]] 15:59, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Some Personal Advice for Mozdoc ==

As a matter of clarification, when the government decides that something is illegal, it is taken as such. Threatening someone, be it meant as a joke or serious, is still a threat. Mozdoc has made death threats, this is not a joke and the government backs this decision. When a pedophile is discovered, the government has decided that everyone that lives near that person should be aware. They have to tell their neighbors that they are a pedophile and warn them upon moving in. There is no longer any privacy permitted. The same is said for murderers who have been granted parole, bail, what-have-you. If you are and can be considered a threat to those that live around you, it should be known. Mozdoc should be thankful that his real name and address are not exposed to the community as the government would have done. I am not comparing Mozdoc to a pedophile nor a murderer. I simply use the two for clarification purposes. If you are deemed a threat to society, you no longer have privacy. I am sure this article being here upsets Mozdoc. He has every right to be upset. But as has already been stated by numerous other people, this is a penalty of your actions that you unfortunately have to deal with. Swearing will get you no respect.

If you want to be taken seriously, then apologize without rudeness or sarcasm. This kind of thing can not be forgotten, unfortunately. You can not pretend to have never said these things. You can wish all you want, but people will remember that what you have said was rude, hateful, and disrespectful. If you want to be taken seriously, a good start would be typing up a reply and before you hit "submit," go back through and remove every curse word and everything that can be construed as mean. I promise that you will be amazed at how friendly people can be. BUT, keep in mind that you are not going to get forgiveness overnight. You want this to become an unfortunate nightmare of your past, you need to stop treating people as if they mean nothing. Everyone means something and apparently these "nothings" have the power to ignore you.

People build bridges. And while you may burn down bridges as you cross them, people will repair them and build new bridges. Life is about taking wrong turns and if you ever have to backtrack across one of those burnt down brides, you will need to help repair them and ask permission to cross first. If you try to stomp across a bridge that you burnt before it can be repaired, you are going to fall. Build your own bridge and show people the craftsmanship of it. If someone points out that there is a nail sticking out that could potentially threaten the structural integrity, ask them to help you fix your bridge for stability.

(Personally: I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Mozdoc has been given more than 200 second chances. There is no longer any room for forgiveness. I have never taken what others say about someone at face value, I choose to meet said person and make my own decision. Mozdoc does not scare me, but I can assure you that I have no desire to ever meet him and make any kind of opinion for myself. If you want people to like you again Mozdoc, you need to calm down and apologize to people without the backhanded apology. Everyone has done something that they are not proud of. I have said things that I wish I had not. Usually while being sick and taking medication, something slips out that I was unable to filter, or something came across the wrong way. I wish I had not said it, but the damage is done. Some people forgive me, others block me and never speak to me again. It sucks, but such is their right and decision to respond any way of their choosing. There is no excuse, I was sick and said something stupid. Plenty of other people can manage to get sick and not say something stupid. I can not, so I accept full responsibility for my actions and take into consideration that I unfortunately may lose a friend from said consequences. It is not the end of the world. It sucks that I can not speak to them anymore, but hopefully I can meet someone else and not screw up that potential friendship.)

[[User:WolfeMasters|WolfeMasters]] 13:31 February 14, 2010 (EST)

== Really... ==

This entire page is negative. I know he may not be the nicest guy around, and you have every right to make a page to warn people. But he has good points too. I've added things before to lighten the page slightly, and they're always deleted. Can't we put something in there to say like, "Despite all of these happenings, he's still an active part of the furry community, attending many conventions and fur meets." I mean, all of this stuff is clearly biased out of his favor. No one really listens to his side. And no one even ALLOWS there to be nice things about him on that page. It's really really unfair to him. Especially if he's asked repeatedly for it to be removed. ~~
:Regardless of the information being negative, it is clearly documented fact. In this manner, Wikifur isn't much different from Wikipedia, in that a negative page is not necessarily taken down just because the subject wanted it taken down, if there is proof of the facts in the article.

:If Mozdoc wants good things in this article, then he needs to start doing good things that can be verified. Then it will be put into the article. But, until then, this information will stay. I really do not see any bias in this article, since it is verifiable facts. Regardless of his own opinion of the matter, this is a record of the things he has done. So, like I said, he needs to start doing nice things and then we'll put that information on here. So far, nothing good has been shown on his part. [[User:Silver seren|Silver]][[User talk:Silver seren|seren]][[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]] 22:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

:You say that "No one really listens to (Mozdoc's) side", anonymous person? Well, given the demonstrable fact that a ''highly'' nontrivial percentage of Mozdoc's "side" consists of stuff like "YOU PIECES OF SHIT REFUSE TO DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND REMOVE THIS ARTICLE TO BEGIN WITH. YOU ALL SHOULD BE FUCKING KILLED FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. NOT LIKE YOU WILL BE MISSED.", it's not entirely clear that "really listen(ing)" to Mozdoc would have any results that Mozdoc might desire. Dude needs to lighten the fuck up, and calm the fuck down. As long as his general approach to life can be accurately summarized as "why in God's name won't everyone in the Universe just fucking OBEY ME WITHOUT QUESTION, as is my fucking self-evident RIGHT!?!", he ''will'' continue to have a shitty reputation... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 09:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Lapism

2010-05-12T02:05:54Z

Cubist: /* Bibilography */ "Schism" is a furry, hence the title-link to "Schism" was pure FAIL in action.

[[Image:AdventuresInWonderlandRabbit-Tenniel.jpg|right|A convert to Lapism?]]
'''Lapism''' is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a [[Wikipedia:Religion|religion]] followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] [[rabbit]]s.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by [[Dr. Thomas Aaron]], a master "gengineer" ([[Wikipedia:Genetic engineering|genetic engineer]]) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and practices==
Lapists study the [[Book of Peace]] as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "<nowiki>[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity]</nowiki> Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the ''Change''. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's [[Wikipedia:DNA|DNA]] with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large [[feet]], mobile [[ear]]s, and [[tail]] -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbit-like appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion ([[hug]]ging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

:''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' - Digger, ''[[Full Immersion]]''

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous [[Wikipedia:Patent|patents]].

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as [[Wikipedia:Confucianism|Confucianism]], that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's [[Wikipedia:New Testament|New Testament]]. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with [[Wikipedia:Islam|Islam]] and the [[Wikipedia:Quaker|Quaker denomination]] of Christianity, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with [[Christians]], and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with [[Wikipedia:Mormonism|Mormonism]]. <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml Mormonism] from the BBC</ref> As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker [[Wikipedia:Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony|Testimony of Peace]]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with [[Wikipedia:Transhumanism|Transhumanism]], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism hearkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects proselytization, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

* '''[[Drama Class]]''': Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence. (published in ''[[Anthro]]'' <ref>[http://anthrozine.com/stry/drama.class.html Drama Class] from ''Anthro''</ref>)
* '''[[Intermission]]''': Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots." (Not publicly released.)
* '''Schism''': The young movement faces a severe crisis after its founder's death. (Published in ''[[TSAT]]'' <ref>[http://tsat.transform.to/stories/schism.html Schism] from ''TSAT''</ref>.)
* '''[[Full Immersion]]''': A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger, at a family-owned cave. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/full.immersion.html Full Immersion]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)
* '''[[In the Beginning]]''': An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/in.the.beginning.html In the Beginning]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)
* '''[[Prodigal Son]]''': A news producer covers a Lapist gathering that puts him in company with his estranged, troubled son. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/prodigal.son.html Prodigal Son]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)

The chronological sequence, based on in-story events and Geusz' comments, is "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager), "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult), and "Prodigal Son" (Digger as young adult in contact with Bluegrass).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

==Publications==
The stories ''Drama Class''. ''Full Immersion'', ''Schism'', and ''In the Beginning'' have been collected into a 300-page paperback edition, ''[http://lulu.com/content/2739450 The First Book of Lapism]'', which was published in June 2009 by ANTHRO Press.

==References==
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Down the Rabbit Hole

2009-11-04T18:19:36Z

Cubist: ANTHRO is bimonthly, not quarterly, so the column is bimonthly, too

'''Down the Rabbit Hole''' is a bimonthly column in [[Anthro Magazine|''Anthro'' Magazine]] by [[Phil Geusz]], featuring his thoughts and opinions on the furry world in general. More specifically, Phil primarily deals with the interactions between [[:Category:Culture|furry culture]] and the greater [[mundane]] world. So far, the column has focused largely on [[convention|furry conventions]], what happens there, and the role of furdom in general society.

One of the more controversial "Rabbit Hole" columns to date is a review of a furry-themed stage-play, entitled "S4tyr Pl4y", in issue #4 (March/April 2006). [[S4tyr Pl4Y]] featured portrayals of furry chatrooms right alongside frank discussions of [[bestiality]], together on the same stage at the same time. Phil's review therefore deals largely with furdom's often-negative portrayal in the larger world, and what furs do and do not have the right to expect from others.

"Rabbit Hole" is a fairly new departure for Phil, who previously concentrated on fiction. He has, however, also authored a long-running column in ''[[TSAT]]'' magazine (''[[The Rabbit's Hutch]]'') on the art and craft of story-writing.

== External links ==

* [http://anthrozine.com/clmn/clm.geusz.04.html S4tyr Pl4y] - From ''Anthro'' #4

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User talk:GreenReaper

2009-07-14T13:26:38Z

Cubist:

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}

== [[Sage Nadia]] ==

y'know man, you should really fix sage nadia's article.

I know this site's not known for being a reliable source of neutral point of view, but her article's really off the track. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:70.53.151.146|70.53.151.146]] ([[User talk:70.53.151.146|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/70.53.151.146|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

thanks and no problem...

-Hydrassas

== What is wrong with Cubist???? ==

Honestly, what is this person's problem? Their retort to my post is baffling to say that least - as if they're on the verge of insanity or something...

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Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.

It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.

Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

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I ask you, is there ANYTHING in my post that could be considered an attack on Cubist? And do you know of any reason why Cubist would choose to launch an attack upon me?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:The simplest conclusion is that he is being honest - that the reason for his assertion is he believes you to be a [[Wikipedia:Internet troll#Concern troll|concern troll]]. I don't see any reason to suggest that he is implying that you made an attack on him - just that he strongly disagrees with you and suspects your motives. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

QUOTE CUBIST: '''Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy?'''

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:Right. He believes that your statements are overblown histronics. The form of his expression might be considered an attack on you, but does not imply that he felt that you attacked ''him'', as you said. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, Cubist is claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, do you not think?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, that is not the meaning of the term. He appears to believe that you do not actually support the same goals as the wiki, but are trying to subvert them by pretending that you do. For example, if giving people fair treatment was one of the goals of the wiki you might express concerns that Mozdoc is not getting fair treatment, thereby hoping to elicit sympathy from those who would otherwise have a neutral or negative opinion. The trouble with making such assertions is that people's motives are unknown to us without some external form of confirmation, therefore they are hard to prove or disprove. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The method Cubist used to do it is SO childish, it makes me wonder if I should just put him/her over me knee and spank him/her. :))

Mozdoc needs to learn to control his temper - I can sympathize with that. I also know how most of society can literally drive people like Mozdoc to such actions.

By only using punishment against him, we only further reinforce his behavior. That's not to say we should just give in and remove it to stop threats - just the opposite. HOWEVER, If it is removed, and you and the others make it CLEARLY known that
1 - it CAN be added in again should the threats resume.
2 - that it is being done for fairness sake.

I believe it will have a greater positive impact not only on the conflict but upon Mozdoc himself.

By the way, kindly take a look at my user page ;) :))
That should (hopefully) show we are two different peole - Mozdoc tends to simply open fire, wjile I tend to toy with those who make such pathetic attacks.

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:As far as I know, the only person who has brought up the concept of you being the same person as Mozdoc is you. The assertions made by Cubist relate to the pursuit of similar goals while professing neutrality, not similar identity.

:I am unsure how much any of us can help Mozdoc. I've talked to him on several occasions and made no long-term progress. The whole reason the page is here in the first place is that counseling hasn't worked to stop the harassment of others in the fandom. As I understand it, its purpose isn't to coerce the subject into good behaviour (because punishment doesn't work), but to ameliorate the effects of his bad behaviour on others. The question is whether or not the real name is a requirement for this. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Content Concern ==

Hey dude! I have a suggestion that Wiki Fur needs to be kept PG rated as possible since we don't want people offended by nude and yiff images. I have to change an image from one of the articles here. Remember you have furries going to this site from all over the world and we need to respect them as much as we can. [[User:ChuongChoSoi|ChuongChoSoi]] 18:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Chuong. [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not censored for the protection of minors|WikiFur policy]] (like [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not censored|Wikipedia's policy]]) is that our content may be of any rating because of the variety of topics within the fandom. There are many topics of a mature nature, and some mature elements within other topic. We appreciate that there are differences in morals around the world, but we would rather not censor ourselves just to fit the more restrictive societies.

:Nevertheless, I thank you for changing the picture, not because the original picture was naked, but because I believe it is a better (more accurate) depiction of fat furs. That said, you do not appear to be the copyright holder, so I must ask you - did you obtain permission to use it from the author, [http://gokutothez.deviantart.com/ gokutothez]? If we are not talking about the specific character, it is not fair for us to use it without permission. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sage Nadia again ==

Why are things so slow around here? her article's been tagged as being a pile of biased shit (my own words) and yet any edit gets reverted to this steaming pile of turd. what's going on with you?

:The page is not protected. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you edit it yourself - and [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sage_Nadia&action=history recent edits] do not demonstrate the reversions that you claim. I am [[WikiFur:Moving hosts|somewhat preoccupied]] at the moment and cannot guarantee to give it any significant time in the near future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Entry: Thaily ==

Greetings Mr.GreenReaper,

I am writing this on behalf of Thaily Brimstone, her page, [[Thaily Brimstone]] has been restored. Could you please remove this and lock it down. She does not wish to have any article about her on this site.

Thank you for your understanding,

PeglaSkunk

:Please, call me Green. ;-)
:I have in fact just done this, after a conversation with Thaily over ICQ to clarify her intentions. The main issue was the percieved non-neutrality of excluding some pieces of information but not others; we're actually more comfortable with complete exclusion, and it seems so was Thaily, so everyone's happy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Assistance requested in adding "Rukario" to the list of fursuiters. ==

Good Evening GreenReaper:

I am looking for assistance in adding "Rukario" to the list of clickable fursuit links on Wikifur under the heading of "fursuit".

Any assistance that you can provide would be greatly apprecriated.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Prosperous Regards,

[[User:Rukario|Rukario]] 23:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

:Hello Rukario - I moved the [[Rukario|page about you]] to the main namespace, and added the necessary categories. You should appear in [[:Category:Fursuiters]] now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

==message from RVDDP2501 - logged in==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry to bother you but something has been bugging me the last couple of days, I can never stay logged in on wikifur, everytime I revisit the site, I have to log back in and I can't figure out why? please let me know what is happening, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:Something to do with your browser? You could try clearing out the cookies for wikia.com to see if that is the problem. They might have changed something on their end, though. I've not seen that problem recently myself. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== Admissibility of [[Happy Feet]]-related articles ==

Hello,

When {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} created [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Diti&oldid=206809 this article] about me, I was pleased, of course. This event lead me to think more of the concept of this wiki, and it is actually very good. I now want to contribute on it as much as I do on Wikipedia.

I just wanted to know, since {{u|Higgs Raccoon}} wikified the word [[Happy Feet]], if we were allowed:
# To make an article about the [http://penguins.wikia.com/wiki/Happy_Feet_Fan_Forum Happy Feet Fan Forum], constituted by some furs, and perhaps more than we know. This page is under the GFDL as well, can I copy some informations from it? Where do the authors need to be credited? Talk page or article page?
# To put gigantic informations about this movie, a sort of analysis, and its application to the [[Furry fandom|fandom]]? Can we upload pictures, using the fair use act?

Thanks for your upcoming replies! :) [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:There's basically two options for the forum - either create [[Happy Feet]] and make the forum a subsection of that, or create [[Happy Feet Fan Forum]]. The normal thing to do is the latter - have a separate article for the forum. I would suggest tightening the language in the history section a little, though. It should concentrate on the facts, not subjective statements like "grew quickly" (how quickly?). The talk page should mention and link to the prior article.

:We tend not to do really huge articles about commercial works because Wikipedia does it better than us. We are not created to compete with them in their field of expertise - we would rather readers and editors went there instead. Therefore, what I would recommend is to make an article with an overview of the movie, but which concentrates ''specifically'' on the usage of Happy Feet within the furry fandom (which Wikipedia is not likely to cover), and then point people to [[Wikipedia:Happy Feet|Wikipedia's article]] in the "See also" section. Fair use is fine. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

== Blacklisted URL Causing Problems with Reverting Vandal Edit. ==

The Edit at [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069 http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=God_Hates_Furries&diff=209021&oldid=201069] shows blatant vandalism and was reported by my bot as made by a blacklisted user. The problem is there is a URL in the revert that is listed as one of Wikia blacklisted URLs and is preventing me from making the revert. Since you have the access level can you make the revert? [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please disregard this message I got the problem fixed on #wikia on Freenode. [[User:Sawblade5|Sawblade5]] 10:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

== Opening the door... ==

Question: How come there is an article on [[centaur]]s but not one on [[mermaid]]s? Recently, I was going to write a article about mermaids and I saw the log about it being deleted because it's "not furry". I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here but, a centaur is "top half human, lower half horse" (you know what I mean) and a mermaid is "half woman half fish" I seriously don't see the problem...

Is it because there are [[foxtaur]]s, [[skunktaur]]s and [[chakat]]s, and one would be very hard pressed to find a picture of a furry mermaid? Or because if an article on the mermaid is allowed, it'll open the door for articles on the lamia (half woman half snake), medusa, the harpy and anansi (part man, part spider I think)?

I'm confused... [[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 03:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

:Did you have a look at the past discussion on [[Talk:Mermaid]]? That might answer some of your questions. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 19:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't realise that was a talk:Mermaid link...I still don't agree about why there isn't a mermaid entry though...[[User:Tai 1|Tai 1]] 22:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Toolbox in ru.wikifur.com ==
Hi, GreenReaper. Thank you for creating Wikifur.com itself and Russian language part! Toolbox on the left sidebar has wrong link to Upload file feature. It needs to be changed to [http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/Служебная:Upload Служебная:Upload].
As for now I have many questions to you about customization of ru.wikifur.com. Which way of contacting you is more appropriate for questions regarding ru.wikifur? (email, IRC, ICQ, maybe ru.talk page, any other) [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 07:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hi Ockham! My contact information is [http://greenreaper.livejournal.com/profile here] (make sure you are logged on). Email, IRC and/or ICQ is fine - I am always on the first two if awake. As for the images, the plan had been to upload all new images to the pool wiki, so that they could be used on all languages (like Wikimedia Commons) - but if you think that is not going to work I can change the link back. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])
One shared file repository is a good idea for saving server drive space. But motivation of anon users to register is lowered since no more extra feature of uploading files available. Ok, so be it. The second problem is russification of WikiFur namespace. ВикиФур: is counted like articles and may appear in Random articles. For example ru.wikipedia Википедия: is counted the same as in en.wikipedia Wikipedia:. [[User:OckhamTheFox|OckhamTheFox]] 15:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Honestly, the disk space is not so important as the time. It takes work to translate a page. If you have to upload all of the images in it as well, that is more work. I would like to avoid that work for most images. People still need to register to use the image pool (but we would like to make it be just one registration for all WikiFur in the near future). If there is any interface text that needs to be changed on the pool wiki to help Russian contributors, I would be glad to do so. Images can still be uploaded locally by going directly to Special:Upload.
:The problem with ВикиФур: is that ВикиФур was not the name of the project namespace. WikiFur was, because that was the site name, and by default the site name is the name of the project namespace. I have changed the name of the site to ВикиФур and adjusted the database so that the pages already created are in the project namespace rather than the main namespace. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Google Analytics ==

I would have Google Analytics in my wikia wiki ([[:w:c:ilercavonia|Ilercavònia]]), what can I do? Can you help me, please??? Thank you very much! [[Usuari:Ebrenc| → ebrenc]] 10:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing to do is probably to ask community@wikia.com to enable the additional Analytics account for the wiki. You should set up an Analytics account and tell them the user ID that needs to be used, and the wiki that it is to be on. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Article deletion ==

I was wondering if you could delete [[User:Nekonaru Letao]] and [[Nekonaru Letao]]. I don't really want/need them anymore, and I'm trying to cut down the amount of information about me. If I just edit it out, it can be found in previous versions, but if it's deleted, then it's a bit harder to find.

[[User:Nekonaru Letao|Nekonaru Letao]] 18:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I can help you with this. Your User page is your area so it can be handled how you like. Your article can be handled under the [[WikiFur:PE|personal exclusion]] policy. If you change your mind, or a lesser exclusion would be acceptable(for instance, excluding the real name only), let any admin know. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 18:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== People blanking own articles - explanation template? ==

Hey there GreenReaper,

I just wanted to ask one thing: I think we all know that many people often just blank their own articles, either not knowing or not caring about exclusions. As far as I know this behavior is not really wanted by anyone of us, thus my question here: As those people have to be told about the possibility of an exclusion after they blanked their article without knowing, it is always somehow necessary to tell them, explain and direct them to the correct pages. so, is there maybe any template containing this informations, that could just be added to a user's talkpage AFTER they tried blanking their own article? This would make explaining easier and much faster I guess.
I think that'd be a nice idea, just as a suggestion of mine. Have a nice day, greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 07:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think there is one at this time. You're welcome to start one, and add it to [[WikiFur:Templates]]! Just remember, it can be a good idea to personalize the information and often it's better to try and follow up with them directly rather than leaving a note on their talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Finding all pages linking to an article ==

Hey there, just another question from me. I know that, of course, it's important to change all links if you moved an article to a new name so everything keeps working fine. Thus my question: Is is somehow possible to see all pages linking to a specific article, like it is shown at uploaded pictures? Or which way can this be handled otherwise, as I think just searching for the corresponding word in the article search is not working very well. Thanks for your answer in advance. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 11:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hi, RealZero. The toolbox on the left side of the page should have What links here. It leads to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:GreenReaper and should work for any page--just put that page name after the final slash. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ahh, stupid me proved his blindness again I guess. Thanks very much for the answer *bows*. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 19:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== file-template ==

The german version of the file-upload -page mentions a template named
"Dateiinfo" to be used. That template does not exist and it is strange to find one with a german name here.
Could this be a mistake my owolf, trying to add it to de.furry.wikia.com instead? --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:It is odd . . . that page was not created by any user, but instead has been set as the default for that message in German on all wikis. In fact, it is incorrect in several ways (for example, it is not just free images that should be uploaded). If you can to translate the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext|English one]], I would be glad to put that on instead. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::I added a translation to my talk-page. --[[User:Suran|Suran]] 07:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== ru.wikifur ==
Registered =^.^=
# can I has admeen rollez plz? :))
# interwiki works from ru to en but not the other way?
# how do we transfer images from here to commons? There are quite a few that we need to share. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 13:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:I also have this question regarding file transfert on WikiFur Commons (how do we name this website, by the way?). Is that possible to keep '''image''' history while transferring? Also, what about '''page''' history, that we have to ''export'' then ''import'' (which requires sysop rights on Commons) to not to violate GFDL license? [[User:Diti|Diti]] ([[User talk:Diti|talk to the penguin]]) 14:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:#Yes, just be careful with them. No running with scissors!
:#<s>It does for now, yes. I will ask. In the worst case, we can fix it up fairly easily with [[metawikipedia:pywikipediabot|pywikipediabot]] at a later date.</s> es: and ru: have now been added on furry.wikia.com. I will be using [[User:ReaperBot]] to apply interwiki links.
:#I recommend using pywikipediabot's [[metawikipedia:imagetransfer.py|imagetransfer.py]] using [http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:Wikifur-family.py wikifur-family.py]. It adds a digest of page history for GFDL compliance. I have enabled sysop access, though you may create a bot account if you prefer (let me know and I will add it to the bot group).
:Right now, it is called the pool wiki, or the shared image wiki. There has also been a suggestion of calling it the furpile, though I am unsure whether that would work or not. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==request from RVDDP2501 - name change==

Hey GreenReaper, i'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could change a article name for me, can you change the 'Eve' article - http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Eve - to 'Eve Mahn' - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1635852/ - I'll be updating the picture shortly, thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, done. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 12:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 12:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Polish wikifur ==

Simple question. What i have to do to lunch a polish version of wikifur?

:''Handled in chat. For anyone else interested in starting a new language, just grab me in #wikifur or otherwise get in contact and we can sort it out.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

В моей стране, вы будете здесь, чтобы сделать этот сайт [[Special:Contributions/94.117.88.218|94.117.88.218]] 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well, we already have a [[:ru:|Russian WikiFur]]. Fortunately there are people who live there who are helping to make it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== /index.php? ==

Thanks for spotting that redirect problem - you're right that fullurl should have been used, but I've also fixed our .htaccess files so it shouldn't happen again. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Of course, that won't be necessary when the move is complete - in fact I think it will have to be undone then. So was it really necessary? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe not, but I said it would work before and after the move, and I like to keep my promises about such things. Plus, it only took a few minutes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inserted redirects to templates instead of regular template. ==

Hey there GreenReaper,
I have a question regarding templates in articles: 
Many articles, like for example [[Gathering of the Gargoyles]] have some kind of redirect-text to a template in them, in this case for the inappropriate template, instead of the actual template "image". Is this some kind of error and should be changed if one comes across them, or does this actually has some kind of sense? Thanks in advance for your answer, I hope I haven't missed anything obvious again. Greetings, [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 15:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

:{{tl|Appropriate}} was moved to {{tl|Inappropriate}} without changing the template pages which redirected to {{tl|Appropriate}} as well. Templates only follow redirects once. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[:es:Central WikiFur|Central WikiFur]] ==

There are almost [[:es:Special:Longpages|150 articles]] on the wiki right now - are any of them good enough to show or link on the front page? You could look at how the other wikis have done it; there are many ways. [[:es:Usuario:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] 09:50 9 nov 2008 (UTC)

:I'm working on the new design of the front page. I'm trying to take the best from the Russian model and apply it to the English model (the fact that I don't know Russian is not stopping me). --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 21:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==?==
Was the cake is a lie the same dude from wikia that was vandalising Charitwo's user page? [[User:GroceryBag|G]][[User Talk:GroceryBag|B]] 21:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

:All signs point to yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

How about reconsidering me or just flat out removing and getting rid of the entire article about me? I'm sick of being a part of WikiFur, I've told you countless times that I do not want my name on here, please remove me.

--Mozdoc

==SVG==
What version of ImageMagick is installed on the WikiFur servers? I just tried to rasterize http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Argentina.svg locally with ImageMagick 6.3.7 and it works like a charm. --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 03:52, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:Version: ImageMagick 6.4.4 2008-10-21 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org Copyright: Copyright (C) 1999-2008 ImageMagick Studio LLC. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 11:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

::Turns out my local install of ImageMagick was using the rsvg libraries. So that's the reason the conversion worked fine.
::I just tried a locally-compiled version on some flags, and found that most do not render correctly (except very simple ones, such as the [[wikipedia:Commons:Image:Flag of Italy.svg|flag of Italy]]). Should I upload correctly-rendered PNG flags instead of the SVG files? --[[User:Fibonacci|Fibonacci]] 02:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Would probably be the easiest solution. Rendered versions can be lifted from Wikipedia's previews. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

== hay ==

what's up

i went to this link: http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:GreenReaper

and it gave me this:

"Error 503 Service Unavailable

Service Unavailable
Guru Meditation:

XID: 401948741
Varnish"

;_;

:Yeah, it does that sometimes. Wikia's caching software is still slightly unstable. Try forcing your browser to refresh the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::ok cool thx it works now i can see --entitythatwrotethemessage

== Greeting ==

Hi! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Ddevore|Ddevore]] ([[User talk:Ddevore|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ddevore|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:Welcome! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== DNP Request ==

Hello Greenreaper, I understand you are in charge of this website. I wish to have my entry (under the alter ego "BullGator") deleted, locked and added to your site's "DNP" equivalent due to a pair of trolls who are continuing to vandalise the entry. As my involvement in the furry community has now evolved to virtual zero and I have no interest in childish edit wars, I look forward to instructions as to how a DNP request is to be formally undertaken.
[[User:BullGator|BullGator]] 09:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:I have posted the exclusion request on the talk page, and will perform the exclusion proper within 24 hours unless further debate arises. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Automatic spam filter blocking edit ==

Hey there Green Reaper, 
I wanted to edit the article [[Furry Hosting]] and change the links at the bottom so that they actually link to the website. The problem here is, that the wiki's automated spam filter blocks the given URL. Could you somehow link the links or tell me what to do about this? Thanks in advance, greetings [[User:RealZero|RealZero]] 22:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:I've added it to [[MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist|the whitelist]] and edited the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

== Featured picture ==

Darn you Reaper! I was just editing that! Now I know what it feels like to be you! {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 01:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dill Eat my page ==

Hello. I am Hamsterchan. Or hamster...or thegreathamster...or Sabbath Da Frog....I would really appreciate if you could delete "Sabbath Da Frog"'s page, please. Its no longer desired. Any other links I made to my comics needs to go, too. I'm sure you need the bandwidth. Thank you. -[[User:Hamsterchan|Hamsterchan]]

:''Responded in email''. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Frida Åhman Article ==

Greetings. I tried to remove my article, as I no longer wish to be on this site, but it got reverted. Could you please exculde me? I haven't been active in the fandom for a very long time, and probably won't be any time soon. [[User:Gnistra|Gnistra]] 12:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Done, much belatedly. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

==Happy Holidays!==
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! [[User:Fangusu|Fangusu]] 15:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pool not working? ==

See my change: [[Love_Can_Be_Different]]. Worked in RU but not here... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 00:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:That is because the pool is not used by Wikia-hosted wikis. You must upload the image here as well. This limitation will only be removed once migration has been completed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:: Also, stuff from Wikicommons does properly show on Pool, but not on RU? -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Not really sure where you got that idea. It shouldn't show up anywhere, because we're not linked to Wikimedia Commons. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::: Oh I got it. Somebody helpfully uploaded Image:Red copyright.svg from commons to here... I was wondering because my [[:Template:Message box]] designs from wiki* started working here magically... But! The main question was: why copyright image shows on http://pool.wikifur.com/wiki/Image:Simba_pic.jpg and not on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? The image is in the pool, so it puzzles me... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::: Well, it does show up for me. :-) Maybe you need to force a refresh/clear cache? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Again, you sure the '''red ©''' shows in the message box on http://ru.wikifur.com/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:Simba_pic.jpg ? Doesn't for me, and I tried it in IE and it turns out it tries to get http://ru.wikifur.com/w/images/thumb/1/1d/Red_copyright.svg/60px-Red_copyright.svg'''.png''' -- which is weird... -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 15:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Ah, I see what you mean. No, it is not visible, the template is pointing to a local URL (that's the thumbnail for the image). Looks like a MediaWiki bug. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::::: So can you please investigate? I believe it works on wikipedia cluster. -- [[User:Wesha|Wesha]] 16:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners protection ==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry if this may seem overboard but I was wondering if it would be possible to try and protect the Extinctioners wiki article as I have just learned in recent hours that everything extinctioners as been 'attacked' by a hacker(s), everything from Yahoo groups being deleated to Shawntae Howard's own FA & DA acounts being wiped clean. I hope I don;t come across as acting paranoid but from the looks of things, it seems some one is gunning for Extinctioners and the wiki article could be a target, you can read the report/forum on FA here - http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=35514 - Please let me know what you feel should be done, thank you and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ah ok I see, thanks, I guess I was a little worried that if someone could hack their way into FA, DA and the yahoo groups and mess around to the extent they did, they could do something permanent here as well, I guess I was a little jumpy, thanks again and take care - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Help with image ==

Hi there,

I uploaded a few images of my fursuits, but didn't realize under after I'd done it that "rat.jpg" and "panther.jpg" was far too general a file name - is there any way to change the names? Or, is there any way to delete these files so I can re-upload them with more appropriate names?

Also, I hope this is where I'm supposed to ask this, I'm not very wiki-savvy.

Thanks,
--[[User:Wggthegnoll|Wgg the Gnoll]] 18:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

:Sure, I've deleted those for you. There's no way to move images at this time, although I understand that functionality is being developed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Webring ==

Hi,

Please advise why you dumped my Webring code. I put it back, because I thought it was a great idea to have the Hyper Police page in the Hyper Police Ring. I didn't even know that this place existed until I did a Hyper Police search and I am sure that there are lots of others that don't know about it either, so a Webring is a great way to bring more traffic here. I hope you will let me keep it here. Also, I have seen other Webrings on here.

Thank you,

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 03:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:A webring is not useful for a wiki article on a topic because it is basically a replacement for a set of links. These links should instead be placed in the article's external links section of the article if they are of sufficient relevance and contain useful information, and not linked at all if they are not.

:Webrings were great for finding relevant sites ten years ago. They're pretty much redundant with search, now. If you find one on here, you are welcome to replace it with specific links to useful websites on the ring. We're not interested in being part of any. If websites find us useful, they're welcome to link directly if they wish.

:We do cover them at [[:Category:Web rings]], but only because the more long-running webrings have become valid encyclopedic topics by themselves. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

Thank you for your reply.

I have been involved with Webring ever since its inception and I find it quite insulting of you to put down all my hard work with them like that. I run some 40 rings, myself and have lots of friends there. I feel very sad that you don't welcome us here...

--[[User:Noriko Mori|Noriko Mori]] 04:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Noriko

:I'm sorry, but it is my honest opinion. We're here to provide information. A webring that you just created provides no additional value over direct links to the relevant sites. It is therefore redundant and so was removed from the article.

:I also feel it is inappropriate for us to be part of webrings that relate to our article content, as it implicitly promotes a particular group of websites related to that topic. We do not participate in link exchanges or banner trading either. The links we provide are based solely on the quality of the sites' content, and are not for sale or exchange. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== RL name linked against noted wishes ==

Sebkha apparently put my truename on and it redirects to Zjonni. The notes on Zjonni expressly say I don't want that, but it appears this was done a month before the do-not-want note and not caught when I put the note up. I can edit the redirect page, but cannot apparently, erase it. Can you kindly make it go away?

Thanks!

Feel free to mail me if you aren't sure which page I am talking about.

:It has been removed. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

==Frank Gembeck==

I think we need a second opinion on some edits to [[Frank Gembeck]] - see discussion in [[User talk:86.164.155.151]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:We have removed similar law enforcement not deemed furry in the past (I just wipe [[Sibe]] ones, as noted by the original op). Some kind of notice of his "departure" from the fandom and the law should be noted - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::FYI... The discussion in question has been moved to [[Talk:Frank Gembeck]]. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Page removal ==

Hello, I'd like for you to please remove http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/A%C3%AFda_de_Ridder

I do no longer draw furries or am associated with the fandom, so please remove me.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:77.166.162.214|77.166.162.214]] ([[User talk:77.166.162.214|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/77.166.162.214|contribs]]) .

:''Confirming identity via email.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Another name ? ==

Hello GreenReaper.
I'm Kiba the Fox, an user from the french-speaking WikiFur, and a member of Francefurs. I'd like to change my WikiFur nickname, would it be possible ?

[[User:Kiba the Fox|Kiba the Fox]] 08:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Kiba! It is not possible for me to change your user nickname on Wikia-hosted wikis. However, you can create another account and then put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[User:Your new name]]</nowiki> on it to direct people to that account. Bear in mind that usernames are shared through all wikia.com sites, so your new name will need to be distinctive. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
: Okay, I've just created my new account. Thanks ! ;)
[[User:Benjamin Foxtails|Benjamin Foxtails]] 09:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thanks ^^ i look forward to talking to you more.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys,

I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!

Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

== Someone edited page ==

Heys, I'm just a little concerned about something, somebody edited my age with information i wish to remain privet. Their name was GeckoGecko, if you could please see into helping me not have this happen again it would be very much appreciated!
Thanks so much, Bloodfox.

:I'll have a chat with them . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== thanks :) ==

Thankyou ^^

== Suspicious new account activity ==

There have been several recent new user accounts with names that look fishy to me, and I'd suggest being on our guard that their originator may be setting up to spam the site or launch a bot attack. Do you have the ability to run an IP trace on their origins? Do you think it would be overreacting to preemptively block them?

The accounts in question:
*{{user|CaoloRicro}}
*{{user|SitboDarle}}
*{{user|DomgeTcaer}}
*{{user|CzelbOcoue}}
*{{user|OucaaClicb}}
*{{user|LaeltOuelr}}
*{{user|RolorLiboc}}
*{{user|LiccoErdel}}
*{{user|DeldeLouli}}
*{{user|LetocAtatr}}
*{{user|ChizeLmonc}}
*{{user|RaczeLlido}}
*{{user|TacamOnerd}}
*{{user|AlgetDomno}}
*{{user|OlolaRacca}}
*{{user|NoeltLinod}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 16:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:Several people have mentioned this now. I'll check it out. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 16:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::Sounds good. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Multiple registrations and proxies. Block'd. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::There seem to be quite a lot of non-active, new account creations in May, specially in the last two weeks - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like we have some more coming in. Could you run Checkuser on these guys?:
*{{user|MontaOuouc}}
*{{user|CadomChino}}
*{{user|VizelBocac}}

--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'll contact the necessary people at Wikia, as that requires staff access. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:Same user agent, and an unusual one. Blocked. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Zillercon 10 ==

you might could add zillercon 10 to the list on the mainpage. ;) -- ><)))°>

:Done! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

*giggle*.... its in austria. not in australia. thats a slightly difference of 10000 miles. :)

:Well, if they are so different they should not be named so similarly! :-p --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Delete page ==

Hello, My name is Jarett Humphrey. I am a board of director for Helping Pawz. A page has been added to WikkiFur with out our permission and I need it to be deleted. Helpiing Pawz is not a furry group and has no furry association. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Please reply to me by e-mail as I do not have a wikkifur page.

Jarett
''email address removed''

:''Replying by email. Readers should note that the advance permission of subjects is neither sought nor required for WikiFur articles, particularly for public non-profit organizations.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:: ''Helpiing Pawz ... has no furry association.''
:: What nonsense. Many (if not all) of the performers are members of the furry fandom ([[Kodi_(Canada)|1]], [[Orwin|2]], [[Thumper|3]], [[Lace Aurora|4]], [[Aphinity|5]], etc), and they have worn their costumes at several furry conventions.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 14:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::The point does remain that they're allowed to have themselves excluded, though, Higgs. Just like lots of other furs and groups have requested, But, just throwing that out there. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

::::There is a big difference between an individual and a registered association. Note also that the people making the edits to our articles about the performers did not appear to be the individuals concerned, but a representative of the association, who is not permitted to assert any exclusion rights for those pages. I think we have since found an option that may satisfy them, though; see the [[Talk:Helping Pawz|relevant talk page]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Page: [[Raykese]] ==

Hey, GR. I tried undoing a blanking on the page [[Raykese]], suggesting that user Slicktified contact an admin about getting it removed instead. He instead re-blanked the page. Is there something we can do about this? --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 03:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:I deleted the page because it was already marked as potentially inappropriate and I agreed. To answer the more general question, we'll be getting [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:AbuseFilter|AbuseFilter]] shortly that should allow an automated response to that kind of action. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Innacuracy posted by a troll ==

There is a person who posted a paragraph that needs refuted for inaccuracy. This person is a troll from YouTube that several times has twisted peoples words and used them out of context. The link to the user's page (which contains the info in question) is furry.wikia.com/wiki/Paxil_rose

As a side note i need to state that paxilrose is a banned youtube troll who would argue with furries for months. His original account was youtube.com/user/paxilrose. If you check that link you will see he was put on permanent suspension. Also paxilrose isn't even a furry, so why should he have a wikifur page anyway unless it was strictly to talk just about him and nobody else? This isn't TrollWiki or ED. Accuracy and Cleanness exist here.

The middle paragraph about wolfeedarkfang, is inaccurate. Heres several things i can find wrong with it just by glancing.

"a profile on BeastForum was found belonging to Wolfee Darkfang"
This was never proven. He wishes it was though, and will say and do anything to make it look like it.

"Wolfee created various sockpuppet accounts"
This was also never proven. You can't tell who is who on the internet without seeing their faces. The problem here is he wants it to look like anyone who sticks up for me on YouTube is a fake so that it looks like i have no real supporters in his drama.

A little commentary. This doesn't have to account for anything but I want to quote this.
"paxilrose joined Fur Affinity forums to regal furries with tales of his exploits and to offer warnings to those who may take the furry fandom too serious"
I've been told throughout the years by other furs that FAF has been taken over by trolls for some time. So a troll goes to a furry forum taken over by trolls to get the furries to stop being trolled while also trolling furries himself in the past... Sounds like more of the same old stuff. >.<

[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 21:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:The appropriate venue for this conversation is [[Talk:Paxil rose]]. I suggest you post comments there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I find Darkfangs request to be out of line. As stated, this is a fairly well known scandal involving him, and thus is as relevant as the Furry War page. The pictures are accurate accounts of events (the profile and admission, respectively) and I will point out Darkfangs own user page for additional information, since he's written quite a bit on the subject himself with far less references. Given that this is openly a user edited wiki, I strongly disagree that "unauthorized" use of his name is even an issue.

I also want to cite the user page of the furry known as Sibe. This individual has quite a negative reputation based on his actions, yet somehow these actions are deemed relevant enough to warrant being added to his page. The same standards should be held for Wolfee Darkfang. I, however, am at least giving him the privilege of not having it on his primary page (though if Sibe's antics are somehow important enough to be allowed on his page, I think the same should go for Darkfang).

If relevance to my page is the only cocnern, I'd be more than happy to make a new page for it. However, the admins of this site should make themselves clear whether this is an issue of relevance in regards to certain pages, or whether they believe some controversial members actions are acceptable material to mention and others are not and why they think that is. --Paxilrose 16:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The point is the article needs to be strictly about you, and not me. I do not wissh information to be here about me unless i authorize it's presence. especially when it's written by a known troll who has it out for me.
[[User:Wolfeedarkfang|wolfeedarkfang]] 17:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)Wolfeedarkfang

Excuse me Mr Fang, but I do believe you yourself use your page to defame "furry haters" Empiroqkriticizmus and Jumpacliff2. I assume you got their permission before putting them there?

Other than that, I stand by my original statements. The sections as relevant as the furry war and far less slanderous than the Sibe article. You know as well as I that I can and will go out and source every other sentence in the article, so inaccuracy isn't the issue either.--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== User registration IP lookup ==

How does someone with regular admin privs like me look up the IP address that a new user registered from? Or is that a capability that is only available to "super-admins" and wikia support? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:On Wikia, the [[metawikipedia:Help:CheckUser|CheckUser]] privilege is reserved to staff. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

==Request to send a private message==

I have something in regards to my "inaccurate" page I believe will help my case, but would like to hand it off to you privately so that it can't be deleted before you get a chance to see if. How would I go about giving this to you?--[[User:Paxilrose|Paxilrose]] 02:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

==WikiTrust greenreaper?==

If this is the same person who posted http://code.google.com/p/wikitrust/issues/detail?id=29 [email removed to avoid spam] would like to contact you.
:''Responded via email'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Returning to WikiFur ==

Hello. A while back I requested to have my name put on the personal exclusion list. I would like to have that removed, so I can re-post my article. No hurry, but thank you for help.
--[[User:Patrickrobbins|Patrickrobbins]] 01:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:''Confirming via registered email account.'' --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Reply to "Cut the fluff" ==

Quentin "editor of ANTHRO" Long here. Thank you for looking over ANTHRO and offering suggestions on how to reduce the zine's download time! Alas, three of your five suggestions are out of the question, and one of the remaining two may or may not be fully usable... 
Enable GZip compression: If this can be fine-tuned to ''not'' mess with graphics, I like it a lot. Since I make a point of tryna reduce the filesize of graphic images just because, I am unsure how much more "hot air" ''can'' be squoze out of the zine's graphics WITHOUT mucking up the visual quality thereof. Also, it's worth noting that compressing a compressed file tends to yield results ranging from "insignificantly small additional reduction" to "BOOSTED filesize"... Anywho, I will look into this. Regardless of the effects on graphics, ''text'' (such as HTML files) compresses down ''real'' good, so this may be a win no matter what. 
Enable far-future cache control expiry: Sounds interesting, and whatever downsides it may have are, at the very least, highly inobvious. I am unsure how to do this thing (my webhost is GoDaddy, for what that's worth), but I will look into it. 
Use styled text in place of graphic headers: Not gonna happen. I want my titles to be Avant Garde Bold with seriously tight kerning; given the brute fact that it's a crapshoot whether or not J. Random Websurfer even ''has'' AGB installed on his machine in the first place, let alone whether or not his browser can do letterspacing properly, I think graphic-text titles are the least-worst way to ensure that ''every'' reader gets to see the titles the way said titles are ''supposed'' to be. 
Replace graphic elements with CSS: Not gonna happen. CSS works very well indeed whenever it ''does'' work... but when it doesn't, God only knows what you may end up with on your screen. From where I sit, CSS is a crapshoot and I just don't want to roll that pair of dice. 
Convert main logo to PNG: Not gonna happen. One of my standard browsers ''crashes on contact with PNG-format graphics files.'' Yes, this browser is seriously old. If you think I should blow off those readers who ''aren't'' using This Year's Latest And Greatest Browser, well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree, is all.

Lapism

2009-06-06T12:03:43Z

Cubist:

[[Image:AdventuresInWonderlandRabbit-Tenniel.jpg|right|A convert to Lapism?]]
'''Lapism''' is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a [[Wikipedia:Religion|religion]] followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] [[rabbit]]s.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by [[Dr. Thomas Aaron]], a master "gengineer" ([[Wikipedia:Genetic engineering|genetic engineer]]) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and practices==
Lapists study the [[Book of Peace]] as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "<nowiki>[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity]</nowiki> Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the ''Change''. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's [[Wikipedia:DNA|DNA]] with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large [[feet]], mobile [[ear]]s, and [[tail]] -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbit-like appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion ([[hug]]ging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

:''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' - Digger, ''[[Full Immersion]]''

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous [[Wikipedia:Patent|patents]].

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as [[Wikipedia:Confucianism|Confucianism]], that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's [[Wikipedia:New Testament|New Testament]]. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with [[Wikipedia:Islam|Islam]] and the [[Wikipedia:Quaker|Quaker denomination]] of Christianity, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with [[Christians]], and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with [[Wikipedia:Mormonism|Mormonism]]. <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml Mormonism] from the BBC</ref> As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker [[Wikipedia:Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony|Testimony of Peace]]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with [[Wikipedia:Transhumanism|Transhumanism]], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism hearkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects proselytization, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

* '''[[Drama Class]]''': Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence. (published in ''[[Anthro]]'' <ref>[http://anthrozine.com/stry/drama.class.html Drama Class] from ''Anthro''</ref>)
* '''[[Intermission]]''': Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots." (Not publicly released.)
* '''[[Schism]]''': The young movement faces a severe crisis after its founder's death. (Published in ''[[TSAT]]'' <ref>[http://tsat.transform.to/stories/schism.html Schism] from ''TSAT''</ref>.)
* '''[[Full Immersion]]''': A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger, at a family-owned cave. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/full.immersion.html Full Immersion]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)
* '''[[In the Beginning]]''': An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/in.the.beginning.html In the Beginning]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)
* '''[[Prodigal Son]]''': A news producer covers a Lapist gathering that puts him in company with his estranged, troubled son. (Published in ''Anthro'' <ref>''[http://anthrozine.com/stry/prodigal.son.html Prodigal Son]'' from ''Anthro''</ref>.)

The chronological sequence, based on in-story events and Geusz' comments, is "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager), "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult), and "Prodigal Son" (Digger as young adult in contact with Bluegrass).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

==Publications==
The stories ''Drama Class''. ''Full Immersion'', ''Schism'', and ''In the Beginning'' have been collected into a 300-page paperback edition, ''[http://lulu.com/content/2739450 The First Book of Lapism]'', which was published in June 2009 by ANTHRO Press. Given the fact that more Lapist stories than these four do exist, not to mention the word "First" in the title of the collection, it is not unlikely that there will be other Lapist collections in future.

==References==
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Anthro (magazine)

2008-11-24T10:29:57Z

Cubist: Major update. May or may not be too damned hucksterish for WikiFur -- but that's why God invented reverts and/or deletions

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[[Image:Anthro.png|right|Anthro]]
'''''Anthro''''' is a bimonthly furry online [[fanzine]] which started with its September/October 2005 issue. Its editor/webmaster/Lord High Everything Else is [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]], who performed pretty much the same suite of duties for his other (now dead) fanzine ''[[TSAT]]''. After ''Anthro'' #6, [[Michael W. Bard]] -- Long's partner-in-crime -- elected to step down from the associate-editorial duties he'd been fulfilling for ''Anthro'' (as he'd previously fulfilled for ''TSAT).''

Curiously, neither Long nor Bard considered themselves to be [[furries]] when they started ''Anthro;'' Bard has since come out of the closet, but Long is still in denial. Long's primary goal for ''Anthro'' is to make it a known source of high-quality furry material, including (but not limited to) stories, art, columns, fact articles, poetry, webcomics, reviews, and whatever else furdom-at-large can come up with. Long hopes that the zine's readers will enjoy it enough that they choose to support it in a concrete manner (by, among other things, buying posters/t-shirts/books/''etc;'' donating money; or by purchasing a subscription), thereby providing enough revenue that Long can actually afford to pay his contributors. Since a Google search for 'anthro' puts the zine in the top five results (and often in the top ''three'' results), it would appear that the zine is indeed enjoyed by many.

''Anthro'' carries a number of regular features, over and above its complement of stories, poems, interviews, and fact articles.

=== Columns ===
:''Through the Looking-Glass.'' Michael Bard's column (formerly editorial) about how furdom looks to one who is new to it.
:''[[Down the Rabbit Hole]]'', by [[Phil Geusz]], which focuses on the relationship and interactions between furdom and mundane society.
:''Reality Soundbites,'' by Keith Morrison; this column, whose first installments appeared in ''TSAT,'' addresses the question of how to make stories believable.
:''Seen While Prowling'', in which [[Fred Patten]] reviews many furry works each issue.
:''The Red King's Dream,'' by Wanderer Werewolf, which touches on (among other things) the more-furry aspects of roleplaying games.
=== Comics ===
:''[[Zebra Girl]],'' Joe England's excellent webcomic about a woman transformed (by random magickal mishap) into a horned, hooved, three-eyed demon. ''Anthro'' presents the comic with England's permission, at a rate of about 8 strips per issue, starting from the very beginning.
:''[[Castle Horsetooth]]'', [[Oren Otter]]'s and [[Eala Dubh]]'s comic strip (currently on hiatus) about the fairy-tale adventures of valiant Sir Fluren and his noble steed Briarwood in the kingdom of Jaywardia. The events of the first storyline, ''The Case of the Six-Cent Song,'' bore a curious resemblance to ''Sing a Song of Sixpence;'' the second storyline is entitled ''Plague and the Pilfered Posies.''
:''[[Sandusky]],'' John Pergaman Jr.'s webcomic about the misadventures of a boy and his cougar. As with ''Zebra Girl,'' this comic is presented in multiple-strip packages, with its creator's permission, starting from its first strip.

=== Editorial ===
:''From the Editor's Maw,'' in which Long explores whatever topic strikes his fancy.

=== Subscriptions ===
''Anthro'' offers four levels of subscriptions, with increasingly great benefits to the subscriber
*Bronze (USD $12/year): A Bronze subscription helps ensure that Long can pay his contributors as they deserve.
*Silver (USD $24/year): Silver subscribers support ''Anthro's'' creators; they also get an exclusive mini-CD of ''Brothers Under the Skin'' (excerpt available [http://www.anthrozine.com/site/music.html here]), an original song commissioned from noted filker [http://tomsmithonline.com Tom Smith].
*Gold (USD $48/year): Gold subscribers support furry creators; they get the ''Brothers Under the Skin'' mini-CD; and every year, they receive a complimentary copy of that year's ''ANTHROlogy'' paperback, autographed by Long.
*Platinum (USD $96/year): Platinum subscribers get all the benefits of Gold, and then some; supporting furry artists and writers, the ''Brothers Under the Skin'' mini-CD, and each year, they get three complementary ANTHRO Press books -- an autographed copy of that year's ''ANTHROlogy,'' and any two other ANTHRO Press titles of their choice.

=== Publications ===
In addition to the zine's online presence, ''Anthro'' is also a source of actual ink-on-paper books. Long produces an annual collection, ''[[ANTHROlogy]],'' whose ''raison d'etre'' is to be an 'analog' version of the zine; he also works on other volumes of interest to the furry community. As of this writing (24 November 2008), the ANTHRO Press catalog consists of:
:''ANTHROlogy ONE:'' 602-page collection of virtually everything that appeared in ''Anthro's'' first year, issues 1 through 6. Cover by [[Lucius Appaloosius]]
:''ANTHROlogy TWO:'' 638-page collection of the lion's share of everything from issues 7 through 12, ''Anthro's'' second year.
:''The Human Memoirs,'' G. Howell's ''Anthro''-serialized novel of a man who finds himself trapped in a parallel world where humans never evolved sentience... but felines did.
Select examples of ''Anthro's'' art are available as posters, T-shirts, and a variety of other forms. These include ''Leomorphic Da Vinci,'' by Cubist (cover of #1); ''Straightaway'', by Lucius Appaloosius (cover of #2); ''Wanted: Dead '''and''' Alive,'' the cover of ''Anthro'' #7 and ''Zoomin','' by Ian Williams (illustration for the Michael W. Bard story ''Zoo'm'in Along'' in ''Anthro #10).

== External links ==

* ''[http://anthrozine.com Anthro]'' - home page
* [http://www.lulu.com/content/536807 ANTHROlogy One] -- buy the collection here, or just view the whole thing online
* [http://www.lulu.com/content/1860705 ANTHROlogy Two] -- buy the collection here, or just view the whole thing online
* [http://www.lulu.com/content/541536 ''The Human Memoirs'', by G. Howell] -- buy the novel here, or just view the whole thing online
* [http://www.zazzle.com/cubist* Graphic Descriptions] -- The only legitimate source of ''Anthro'' art

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Mozdoc

2008-09-17T01:32:19Z

Cubist: /* Kacey Miyagami */

'''Mozdoc Alicentaur''' (whose given name is a matter of public record) is a [[male]] [[furry]] whose [[fursona]] is a [[centaur]] with a [[unicorn]] horn, a third eye in the middle of his forehead, wings, and, in the "centaurpede" shape, several hundred [[equine]] torsos in a row.<ref>[http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/d/r/dreapate/mozdocthelong.jpg.html Depiction of Mozdoc the Centaurpede] by [[Andrea Pate]]</ref> He resides in California, U.S.A.

Mozdoc has assisted as a [[Wikipedia:gofer|gofer]] at [[Further Confusion 2008]], and signed up to gofer at [[Califur 4]], but never participated.<ref>[[Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis of mozdoc at fc'08|Analysis of Mozdoc at FC 08]] - [[Ayukawataur]] (30 January 2008)</ref> <ref>[[Talk:Mozdoc#fc.2708|Attestations of both Ayukawataur and Mozdoc]]</ref>

==Controversy==
===MUCK bans===

Mozdoc has been involved in several [[MUCK]] controversies, the earliest record of which stems from [[SpinDizzy MUCK]], where he was [[toading|toaded]] in 2000 after breaking into the account of [[Argon Hamilton|Argon]] (another player on the MUCK, and editor of "@Action News", SpiniDizzy MUCK's online newspaper. <ref>[http://www.spindizzy.org/newspaper037.htm Player's Account Hacked]</ref>

Later, in 2002, a follow up article concerning Mozdoc was posted in @Action News, written in a satirical style.<ref>[http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]</ref> The main thrust of the article stated that Mozdoc's original six-month suspension from the MUCK had been extended to a permanent ban. The article stated that this was due to his attempts to break through his suspension by repeated rapid connections to Spindizzy, and then when this failed by trying to evade the ban with a new character alias '''Myana''' from a different ISP, which succeeded until such time as the wizards detected the fraud. [[Findra]], server [[wizard]] on SpinDizzy, verified these parts of the satirical account as being accurate.<ref>[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=162046&oldid=161985 Findra's message on WikiFur]</ref>

Mozdoc was also banned on [[Tapestries]] after attempting to escape the [[stockade]] by [[@toad]]ing himself and re-registering. Following [[WhiteWizard]]'s IP ban, the wizards received an email from Mozdoc containing a repeated expletive.<ref>[http://www.fur.com/tapestries/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=381&S=b69f4f0a49b79f4f0fa9d3acf8e5098f Can somebody please toad my characters?] post on Tapestries Forum by Mozdoc on May 28, 2002.</ref>

He was also banned from [[FurryMUCK]]<ref>http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/1216.html</ref>, [[Altered Realities]]<ref>[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=User_talk:GreenReaper&diff=prev&oldid=135907 Post to WikiFur from a source claiming to be a Wiz on the Altered Realities MUCK]</ref>, [[Unbridled Desires]]{{fact}}, and [[Meadows MUCK]], the latter after Mozdoc continued to harass the headwizard, an [[administrator]] of [[WikiFur]] under the name [[SpazKitty]], after she banned him on WikiFur.

As of May 2007, Mozdoc has been unbanned from FurryMUCK.

===Kacey Miyagami===

In early 2002, Mozdoc began to distribute [[Kacey Miyagami]]'s artwork without her authorization. Shortly after she protested and her wife, [[Ayukawataur]], stepped in to intervene, Mozdoc escalated his actions to open threats against Kacey's life. Following advice by her family, she filed a [[Wikipedia:Injunction#Temporary restraints|Restraining Order (TRO)]] in November of 2002. This injunction lasted from the date of filing until November 17, 2005.<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf Copy of public temporary restraining order]</ref>

Both Kacey and Noriko were named as protected parties on the TRO. This prohibited Mozdoc from having any contact with Ayukawataur and he was banned from [[FurBid]] as Noriko believed him using her system would inevitably result in contact. When the TRO expired in November of 2005, Ayukawataur reviewed his constant attempts to covertly use the system. She decided at that time to not restore his access. He was unbanned in September 2007, but re-banned a month and a half later.<ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/59999.html mr. mozdoc] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (September 23, 2007)</ref><ref>[http://ayukawataur.livejournal.com/64078.html mozdoc reloaded] - {{lj-user|Ayukawatur}} (November 13, 2007)</ref> At this time there is no projected date to review his status.

[[Image:Mozdoc_fa.PNG|right|thumb|233px|FurAffinity "Hate Manifesto"]]
Mozdoc resumed his harassment, including death threats, after posting a manifesto on why he hates her on his user account at [[Fur Affinity]] in a journal entry dated October 14, 2006 <ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc</ref>, and placing a disparaging comment under one of Kacey's artworks, "Farewell to Earth", a fifth-generation commission to [[Bernard Doove]]<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/full/95170/</ref>. He was banned from the site the next day by Fur Affinity administration. [[Dragoneer]] stated in May 2008 that Mozdoc was "permanently banned from Fur Affinity and all of its services. That ban will not be lifted."<ref>[http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666 Re: Unban Me From FurAffinity And Start Answering My Messages]. May 13, 2008 post by [[Dragoneer]] to Fur Affinity forums. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

Mozdoc continued his anti-Kacey crusade in other forums,<ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/messageboard2/ his older posts on furbid]</ref><ref>[http://adorna.epilogue.net/cgi/database/art/view.pl?id=96118 post on epilogue]</ref><ref>[http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/The_Desktoop_by_Mozdoc.jpg the first] and [http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/FUCK_YOU_DEVIANTART_by_Mozdoc.jpg the second] both named exactly as were uploaded</ref> including [[Bernard Doove]]'s LiveJournal.<ref>January 4, 2007 anonymous comments, signed Mozdoc, in [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html Happy New Year!] LiveJournal post. Retrieved July 8, 2008.</ref>

This harassment continued in person again at [[Further Confusion 2007]]. He was removed from the [[convention]] by con authorities for harassment after multiple warnings, and for attempting to take covert photographs of Kacey's print display books. He was allegedly removed from the grounds later that evening by hotel authorities for being in con areas without a con membership.{{fact}} [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education|AAE]] has officially declined to comment on the issue.

== References ==
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== External links ==
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* [http://mozdoc.livejournal.com Mozdoc] on [[LiveJournal]] (banned)
* [http://mzdc.livejournal.com Mzdc] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://anotherfurry.livejournal.com AnotherFurry] on LiveJournal (banned)
* [http://mozdoc.deviantart.com/ Mozdoc] on [[deviantART]] (banned)
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc Mozdoc] on [[FurAffinity]] (banned)
* [http://mozdocalicentaur.deviantart.com/ mozdocalicentaur] on [[deviantART]] (banned)

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== Voting phase ==

As stated under '''Exclusion redux''' and '''Removal of real name?''', I now hereby summarize the opinions given so far on this page as if they were a set of votes, to help establish consensus among the WikiFur community on this point. Registered users may add or change their position and commentary until this period for comment closes on '''Monday the 30th of June'''. On the advice of GreenReaper, I am not noting here who is an admin; you can easily [[WikiFur:Administrators|look it up]] if you want to know. Once we have a fully measured consensus - or its lack, which seems possible, I will have a guideline for what action to take next. Please understand that I am trying not to let my emotions show in this matter, in order to give my actions the appearance of fairness.
;Notes:
* Regardless of belligerence, this action is due to Mozdoc making a request for the single redaction of his legal name, which places him in the "for" category. My taking any action on this is already exceptional (especially since he has shopped around among admins through all possible means of contact, trying to find someone who would give him more than the time of day - and ended up banned from nearly all such avenues of contact due to his rude, solipsistic, domineering, and harassing behavior); should consensus point to removal of his name from this article, I will refuse to make any other change or allow the removal any other information from the page without a further exceptional reason (such as legal enforcement of a judicial ruling).
* There are two other users who appear to have interest primarily in this discussion and little else on WikiFur: Michichael (whose only contributions to the wiki are two comments to this Talk page and a spelling fix on [[Jwoulf]]), and HellcatCordelia (whose only contributions to the wiki are three comments on this Talk page). Because I know of no other reason to refuse it, I will extend full faith and credit to their comments here.

Summary of arguments as of Monday night, 23 June, if all commentary is given one full vote (let me know if I got the interpretation wrong or put you in the wrong category):
:'''+4 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, and HellcatCordelia)
Arguments include: Because he wants it and everyone who denies him is stupid and wrong; because he's changed and is currently harmless; WikiFur has no jurisdiction in matters of public interest; displaying the name is a form of punishment which shouldn't be allowed on the wiki.
:'''=3 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, and Spirou)
Responses include: Provisional support provided the public interest has no further need of such information; similar provisional support; refusing to take a position and inherit its pain.
:'''-4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)
Arguments include: Because he is a threat to others and should be watched; because he has made legally actionable threats, and keeping the name in will be a great time-saver for legal action; reiteration of threat which needs watching; because he has not changed from his prior recorded behavior, and should therefore not receive any greater privilege such as the removal of information.

Balanced, without a clear direction. That's how things stand at the start of this week, as I read them here. If someone wishes to make a clarifying argument, I would be pleased to attend to their words. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 08:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:The 30th of June conflicts with Anthrocon. Many users from this Wiki will be at the con from the 26th to the 29, and may not even be aware of this vote until after the 30th due to convention-related travel.
:I'd like to ask that the date be pushed back to '''July 7th''', so that all parties may have sufficient time to comment. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

::I concur. I'll be out until late on the 30th. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I vote for redaction as well. I can understand to some degree Mozdoc's hostility in the matter - I have dealt with far too many people who just do not listen to polite requests, and only pay attention when you "get in their face" as the saying goes.

:::What can it hurt to remove his real name from the article? After all, it would be a show of goodwill - and if he DOESN'T calm down as a result, it could always be re-added to the article ;) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 10:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't recall polite requests for exclusion from Mozdoc. Certainly [http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 the page edit] which [[Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#Exclusion|Rat interpreted as a request for exclusion]] was less than polite.
::::At any rate, I'll declare myself neutral on whether to remove Mozdoc's real name from the article. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I disagree. Its YOUR loss and my gain that it just so happens that the thirtyith coincides with Anthrocon. This voting proceedure will END on the end of this month, and WILL NOT be extended any further. This bullshit has already been dragged out two fucking weeks, I'm not letting it go for a third. Stick to the original ending date and quit putting me through this bullshit.
::::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|01:35, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::: no offense jeremy, but i am going to agree with [[User:Dmuth|douglas muth]] above. it is in the better interests of the community to allow for a well informed decision to be made than a hasty one.
::::: and a bit of advice. attempting to dictate to the staff of wikifur how they will run their system is not going to win you any votes among them. in fact, illustrating a measure of patience and respect may actually help your case.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 16:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I'm in two minds about this. Do we not come to furries as a way of fantasy flight, to get away from real live? The truth is I read/scanning over this. To say that "Other people make names available so why not us?" is also not right. Most people start on here with only an internet name and grow from there, wishing there real life not to be known. Is this not going to cause people from steering clear of joining groups? Granted I am utterly mortified and disgusted about what I read above and simply could not read some of it. The thing that got me the most is the swearing in the posts. For me if he asks for it to be removed, it should unless he was found guilty in ordinance with the justice system. Looking over this I can see enough that this could happen.
::::: --[[User:VWhitepaw|VWhitepaw]] 18:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law (http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/restrain.pdf). that is part of what the whole problem is. with his history of terrorizing others, people have a right to know who and what they are dealing with.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 01:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I say go ahead and remove the name. It's not really necessary to the article and if people really needed to obtain his name for some reason it'd probably be easy enough to find particularly since this debate has been going on for what over a month? --[[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 18:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::: I say go ahead and remove the name and article, if it is the wish of the person, to not be in such a article, then their wishes should be followed, and their names and the artical removed. Afterall its their name and such on the article. (Rangerwolf) {{unsignedIP|208.192.66.64|20:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}

To Sine: No, there was no polite request; I simply chose to interpret the verb rather than the emotion. As I may have mentioned before, if I were responding emotionally, Mozdoc would have just been ignored and the matter dropped.

Other business: A time extension has been proposed and seconded, and I don't personally see it as any great onus to add a further week, considering how much community attention is normally focused on Anthrocon (MU*s, chat rooms, and forums are generally depleted of users, and I don't see WikiFur as any exception to this). My intention is and has been to give time for adequate protest in the first phase (one week, unencumbered); protest was given, so I opened a vote. And I intend to give that vote sufficient time for comment, because that's the very purpose of a vote. I made no promise to render ''speedy'' judgement, but three weeks (total) is generally much faster than most cases progress in a real court of law. '''Monday the 7th of July''' is fine with me, and that makes four votes for extension; anyone else? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 16:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:We are extending the vote to July 7th mostly for Anthrocon, as it affects a few furs/non-furs, but that is the July 4th weekend,... which will affect more people, their family and friends than the con itself (I'm flying cross country myself that weekend.) '''Monday July 14th''' maybe? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 19:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

::NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

::You are NOT extending this shit to have two more fucking weeks included in it just because the dates you choose coincide with Anthrocon and the July Fourth weekend. Fuck off. Dragging me through all this shit, extending this fucking voting process THREE WEEKS all because of pointless events is evidence that NO ONE at WikiFur wants this bullshit to ever fucking end and so as such my entire article needs to be removed immediately. Its obvious NO ONE can keep a fucking time table and stick to it around here, always changing shit at a moments notice.

::THIS VOTING ENDS JUNE THIRTYITH AND NO LATER. I'M SICK OF THIS SHIT. MY ENTIRE ARTICLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REMOVAL FOR HAVING TO PUT UP WITH YOU PEOPLE.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|23:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)}}

:::The events mentioned as reasons for extending the voting period are hardly inconsequential. I ''do'' want the bullshit to end, but mind you, we're most likely not focused on exactly the same thing. We aren't doing this to jerk your chain; we want to make sure the community is heard. However, I agree that this is getting a bit silly. My family rarely went anywhere on Independence Day - of course, for eight years or so, the local fireworks show was held at the end of our street - so I don't have a good measure on who's going to be out, or for how long; do you spend the entire week travelling and visiting, Spirou? Maybe close on '''Wednesday''' or '''Thursday''' so folks have a chance to catch up, but it's not going to be the end of the world if we can't catch absolutely everyone. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 13:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::::It was just a suggestion to discuss, not an order for people to carry on. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''Ayukawataur: "a quick note. he was found guilty in a court of law" '''

:::::I hate to say this, but being found guilty in a court of law in this country in this day and age does not really mean much....

:::::In my own research and experience, guilt or innocence tends to be decided by such things as wealth, influence, and popularity. :( Think I am wrong? Then by all :::::means ask me to show you some court records - some of which I was personally involved (did not do what I was accused of, yet was crucified anyway... ) [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::: i am perfectly aware of how it works. i have been in court more times than i care to count. my wifes family is 99% lawyers, both defense and prosecution, as well as civil law. and i have to say one thing.
:::::: there is no doubt that jeremy did what he was penalized for. he was not only found guilty, he has admitted multiple times since that he has done it.
:::::: yes, i want to see this end as well. however, i have not gone through everything i did dealing with him for my own benefit. it was done to give the rest of the fandom a chance to see that you can stand up to his kind of behavior and can protect yourself from that form of lunacy. no one in this world deserves to be targeted by people like him. they do not need to be terrorized. they do not deserve it, and as long as there exist people who openly attempt to use threat of force as a domination factor, the rest of us have a right to know who they are and how to protect ourselves from them.
:::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Its just come to my attention that this website WikiFur is being unfair to those of the furry fandom who want to participate in this, and don't want to become part of your cesspool of shit by creating a name for themselves. Forcing people to become registered users? Completely unfair and uncalled for. I'm getting contacted by random people who've tried to add their support in to this page for one of the sides and find themselves unable to because they're being forced to register. GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEADS THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE DRAGGED DOWN INTO SOME FULL OF SHIT WEBSITE LIKE WIKIFUR AND WANT TO KEEP THEIR NAMES OFF OF IT. If you're going to decide who can support who and leave comments here, then this website is really pushing some legal issues. EVERYONE should be allowed to leave their support here whether they're registered or not.

:::::::--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc|00:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::::::: I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake. Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..

:::::::- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 ([[User talk:71.166.142.24|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.166.142.24|contribs]]) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC) 

:::::::: actually, and yes i know that is bad english, but it does working for me, the moment the order was signed by a judge, it became a matter of public record. what he did, how he did it, all files related to it, they are all available to any person who wishes to see them.
:::::::: and the copy of the order is available to any person who wishes to see it. and, at the very top of it, it has his name, what he was facing, and what the penalty was. since then he has not changed, he has not stopped his behavior, hurting people who do not deserve to be hurt, and has done nothing to illustrate that he deserves to be able to stealth his way into the lives of even more innocent artists.
:::::::: harassment is what he does... this is a debate on a privately owned system as to whether or not the administration, and the community, is going to turn a blind eyes and give into the threats of another individual, or stand up and tell him that they will not tolerate his bullying actions any more.
:::::::: (this post brought to you three dictionaries and two grammar checking systems.)
:::::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::What I cannot fathom is that the very person keeping this going on wikifur ALSO happens to have had personal involvement in the situation as a whole. I honestly believe that Ayukawataur needs to step back from such an active role in this matter. As I have said before, it is like an officer investigating a crime commjited against his/her family - A decent department will actually prohibit such because of the possibilty of clouded judgement and/or poor decisions on the part of that officer(to put it in layman's terms).

:::::::::There's too great of a chance for abuse if the officer IS involved in such a situation.

:::::::::To that end, I shall ask once more - Ayukawataur, will you kindly take a step back from your active role in this? [[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== Voting tally (June 29th, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -4 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 14:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

: i really do not have a choice in this matter. other people keep dragging me back into it. not only did he drag me through more problems than many can comprehend, but it is a regular occurrence for others to come to me asking that i help them with how to deal with him.
: a large number have already contacted me and informed me that they wish they could vote, but the fact they can not vote anonymously means he would know who they are, and they fear for their own safety. even then many are afraid that he would figure out who they are by the ip records. kind of a sad thing when that much fear exists due to the actions of a single individual.
: either way, i never wanted to be part of this. i all but begged him, actually i did beg him back in the early days, to not force my hand. but he created this situation. i am doing no more than playing out the part i was handed. if you had been around since the beginning, and/or had actually done your research, you would have known that.
: my vote remains as is, however, i will also state if the community decides otherwise, i will be more than happy to be the one to remove it. though, i will also point out, there is information that is pertinent to both mine and my wifes, as well as furbids page, that was removed by me in order to better facilitate the information being in only a single place. that place was his page. if it is removed, i will be adding it back on the relative pages, for posterity sake.
: something you should keep in mind. this is not just his information here. it belongs to three of us. and as long as that is true, he may have the right to ask it to be removed from his page, but i also have the right to place the applicable information, sans name direct, on our pages - because it 'is' our history as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::No you will not repost any removed information on your own pages or elsewhere. My request for complete and total exclusion means that once this page is removed, any mention or whatever you have written on your pages about me is also to be removed. No questions asked. It will be like me and you never crossed paths.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc|21:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}

::: we are voting on your removal of name, not on the removal of your existence. and, you do not have the right to edit my life or my wifes life, or the history of what you have done to furbid.
::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 00:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::You know Ayukawataur, I'm begining to wonder whether you are friends with a certain woman from California whom has been termed the ''' "Wicked Witch of the West" '''. Your statement parrots her's nearly word for word on reasons why your supposed "friends" don't show up and vote, And in Triple W's case, she was doing her damnedest to manipulate all the users of an entire forum into backing her, using lies twisted information and even people's Real Life information to intimidate others into letting her have her way - which was total control of the forum - all the while claiming she was an "innocent victim" and people were out to get her "for no reason".

::::Granted Mozdoc taking Kacey's art and using it is not right (IF it happened exactly like you claim it did - there IS the possibility of embelishment), but continueing the conflict just because you can is not right either, regardless of the angle.

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 03:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

::::: I have to agree with Ayukawataur on this. Mozdoc doesn't have the right to change history, and he has a specific history with those two and Furbid. What I'm looking to support here are the three qualities of justice, mercy, and plain speaking, in support of the balance between individual rights and the public good. In this case, opening the question of whether retaining his personal name on the article is the right thing to do. If Mozdoc chose to refuse this community action and seek legal recourse, I would have to ask that the vote be abandoned, and I would refuse to make the change under discussion pending the results of said legal action. At this time, he hasn't said whether he wanted to abandon this route, so I am assuming in good faith that he is willing to continue to participate.

::::: I don't see this as continuing a conflict. I see it as resolving a particular issue, so that people can agree to let it go, and everyone can move on and deal with the remaining effects of whatever decision is made. We need less drama and more joy around here, but not at the cost of others' dignity or need for fairness. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I have removed the unregistered votes from the current tally. Registration is quick and easy, and we ask that if you want to vote, that you please give yourself a name we can address on this wiki. It doesn't have to be your fursona name (though many use theirs); it doesn't have to be your real name; but it is very helpful for us to be able to contact you to address any concerns that may arise (on your part or on ours). Besides, we like to see our community grow! :) -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 15:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

:On the (perhaps inaccurate) presumption that the voting deadline is, in fact, ''not'' 30 June, but, rather, 7 or 14 July: I vote for keeping Mozdoc's real name on his WikiFur page. The guy has made ''serious death threats,'' for crying out loud! As for his protestations about no longer wanting to be part of the fandom, said protestations ring ''awfully'' damned hollow, considering that he was [[Talk:Mozdoc/Archive1#analysis of mozdoc at fc'08|on staff at Further Confusion '08]] -- and those who think Ayukawataur is conducting some sort of vendetta against Mozdoc might, perhaps, take note of what the Big A. had to say about Mozdoc in that link: "I note that this year, [Mozdoc] was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. ... an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials ... an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard ... i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well." ''Those'' are the words of someone who is monomaniacally determined to have Mozdoc's head on a platter, come hell or high water? Not. It's just a pity that Mozdoc's approach to this whole sordid affair has pretty much ''always'' been "You fucking MORONS can just ''obey my every command'' without question -- or '''I'll fucking KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP!!'''" As far as I'm concerned, Mozdoc is just trying to evade the consequences of his own ''highly'' suboptimal behavior. So, to sum up, I say "The name stays in". [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::The statement that Mozdoc was 'on staff' at Further Confusion 2008 is incorrect. He was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff. I speak from my position of Executive Secretary for FC2008. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 16:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

:::''Instant addendum:'' It occured to me that Mozdoc's "I don't want to be part of this community" complaints merely refer to a desire to not be ''WikiFur'' community in specific, rather than a desire to not be part of ''furry fandom'' community in general. If that's the case, Mozdoc is ''seriously'' deluded. WikiFur exists to document the furry fandom; Mozdoc is very definitely a part of said fandom; therefore, Mozdoc damn well ''is'' 'fair game' for inclusion in WikiFur. And all of his '''obey me or DIE, you fucking morons!!!''' whines are just not going to help any. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 05:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::sez findra: "(Mozdoc) was a volunteer at Further Confusion 2008, and not staff." I had been under the impression that a convention's "staff" includes ''everybody'' who works 'behind the scenes' to make a convention happen, be they full-fledged ConCom members or volunteer gophers or what. Stupid (albeit honest) question: Why ''isn't'' a "volunteer" considered to be part of a convention's "staff"? Is this just a traditional term of art, or what? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::A staff member at a convention is usually someone who is scheduled in advance, works in a specific department, and has a specific role laid out for them. Volunteers by comparison are just random folks who walk up and offer to help. They have no set commitment, and can put in as much or as little work as they like, and can work in different areas during the con. Volunteers who work a lot usually become staff members the following year. :-) At least, that's how the volunteer and staff system works at Anthrocon. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 3rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthoSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

The vote seems close. If Michichael happens to pass by this page again, I'd be happy if he could clarify whether his last statement here qualifies as a different vote, just to make sure that his opinion is given proper acknowledgement. With the time extension in mind, I think '''July 7''' at '''12:01am''' is an entirely fair date to close for final tally and action taken, so I'll be giving my opinion at that time, and making my closing move on this page. And then I'll move on. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:Cubist, Have you ever even considered the the situation might be a result of the "breakdown of diplomacy"? If neither side is willing to lower their sabre, at least part way, things will only continue the way they have been.

:'''Removing his name would not necessarily have to be permanent - whether it remains off the article would be dependant upon Mozdoc's future conduct.'''

:It seems that in this day and age, the only thing being polite and respectful gets a person is ignored, told to f - off, or hit. And THAT is what I believe is going on with Mozdoc - society has kind of taught him the bad habit that unless you are confrontational and ready to resort to force, people will not listen to you.

:'''If we are going to judge Mozdoc on what society as a whole has drummed into him, then we need also judge ourselves.'''

:Do we wish to continue on this downward spiral that civilization is sliding down, or do we wish to TRY to at least slow the degeneration?

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 22:14, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

::Just popping in... The squeaky wheel may get the grease, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And an annoying fly will certainly be the first one swatted. Nice people may be ignored sometimes, but they're also more appreciated. Assholes get noticed, for sure, but they're also loathed and often refused things just to spite their behavior (I've been intentionally difficult with rude customers before because of their attitude). Mozdoc has some really, really, REALLY bad manners, and we shouldn't automatically forgive him because of what "society" has supposedly taught him. His behavior seems more anti-social than social, anyway. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 22:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::I have to agree with [[User:SpazKitty|SpazKitty]] here. For all that Mozdoc claims to be the victim of the world's hatred, he is more often than not the instigator of that ill-will himself. He recently applied to have his ban overturned on SpinDizzy muck, claiming to be reformed. His tolerance lasted until the head wizard (which is Austin Dern, and not me - a fact Mozdoc seems to repeatedly ignore) refused instant reinstatement, and said it would have to be discussed among the wizards. This one temporary set-back provoked the same behaviour of insults, obscenities, and threats that has been his hallmark. Seriously, folks, it's not that he's misunderstood. The suggestion that removal of his name will somehow 'draw the conflict to an end' is something I could only euphemistically call 'optimistic'. --[[User:Findra|Findra]]

::::I am not suggesting automatic forgiveness - Instead, I suggest a means of drawing the conflict to an end instead of punch and counter punch.

::::Contact me on YIM if you have it, SpazzKitty - "aysakiansamurai".

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 23:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, ''the terrorists win!"'' Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::'''So now you resort to name calling and putting words in people's mouths, huh?''' You are one sad individual.

::::::Cubist, you are really and truely showing that you cannot be talked to in a reasonable manner - and only further prove my statement about politeness versus hostility. :(

::::::You ALSO seem to have a problem with misquoting others. I'm willing to bet that you are one of those that think it is "cool" to start trouble for your own amusement. I would advise you NOT to try starting anything with me - my patience is greater than Mozdoc's, but so is my anger. To quote an old TV line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't '''like''' me when I'm angry".

::::::'''Intolerance breeds intolerance, CUBIST - remember that.'''

::::::And for the record, the reason I am in support of "Vladuz" is quite simply because he showed ebay for what they REALLY are - greedy scum who do not care who get's scammed or hurt, so long as they get another dollar in their pockets.

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 17:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::::'''CONCERN TROLL'''
:::::::"A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group."

:::::::Excuse me a moment... (Falls out of chair laughing).

:::::::Ok, so let me get this straight - because I am TRYING to to get both sides to stand down to some degree, you are claiming that I am Mozdoc using a second account???? Oh good lord, not ANOTHER person like "triple W" :)) Why is it anytime someone doesn't agree, they have to claim that the person they disagree with is a "sock"???? That is really pathetic, Cubist.

:::::::If you are going to act that childish, then I suggest you have your parents supervise you whenever you use the computer.

:::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 18:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here for everyone to see. [[User:Hellkat9940|Hellkat9940]] 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Stating the obvious (what most here seem to have missed) ==

It seems that in regards to the removal of Mozdoc's real name, most of the people here are missing what should be very obvious - the fact that the removal of his real name would not be a permanent, "for all time" event.

Just because it is removed, does NOT mean that it could never be added again should he become overly aggressive once more. ALSO, if he DOES straighen out, such information could be further added to his artcile showing that fact. The opposite can also be true.

Ladies and Gentlemen, We have before us a golden opportunity to guide this individual into a better life. Shall we use it, or throw it away?

[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:On second thought, why bother. Nobody really cares anyway - if they did, a lot of what is going wrong in this day and age would not be happening.

:[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 03:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Can we get this over with please? ==

Or is the date going to just keep getting pushed back until theres enough to support an unfavorable result because its July 7th today and thats when the final decision was supposed to take place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 14:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:The decision closes on July 7th. Personally, I would have chosen the end of it for all time zones, but Siege is welcome to close the discussion at any time that they feel appropriate.

:If you have to rely on timing to ensure that you have a favourable response to the proposal, it rather brings into question your confidence of public support for the proposal. (I'm not too happy that we had to have a vote on this in the first place, rather than reaching a consensus on the best - any case where a significant proportion of the population feels we're doing the wrong thing is unfortunate.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It doesn't matter. As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article. No one added themselves to the persons against it, and no one decided to get off the fence and go for one side or the other. As far as I see it, this is fucking over. I'm getting my name off the article before this drags out another week because some moronic dumbass out there decides to bring up another excuse to drag it out even longer. I don't see why you can't all just agree to allow me to get the exclusion I ASKED for and get my name off of WikiFur ENTIRELY AS I WANT.
::--Mozdoc

:::sez Mozdoc: "As of this morning July seventh there was a one or two vote advantage allowing for the removal of my name from this damn article." No, there was not any such "advantage" -- not unless you know of any votes that were cast since the tally of 3 July 2008. Sure, the person signing themself as "Hellkat9940" offered their opinion on 7 July, but "Hellkat" did not go so far as to say "I vote to remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page". This leaves anybody but "Hellkat" unable to determine whether "Hellkat"'s position is "It's wrong, and I think it should be corrected," or "It's wrong, but I don't really care if it's corrected." As for the person who signed themself as "So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))", that's just AnthroSamurai under another pseudonym, and ''his'' (?) vote is already counted in the 3 July tally. So where's that "one or two vote advantage", Mozdoc? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::'''Gee, it looks like you people are grasping for ANY EXCUSE to leave his name up on the article. Anyone with half a brain can see WHY Mozdoc is so pissed off at all of you - you're going out of your way to fuck with him.'''

::::'''You people are coming DANGEROURSLY CLOSE to making yet another deadly enemy - is that what you want?'''
::::'''And YOU Cubist, you better quit it with the childish shit before you get your ass paddled.'''

::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 14:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

== Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) ==

''' +6 for redaction''' (Mozdoc, Michichael, Rootdown, HellcatCordelia, SnowdriftGM, AnthroSamurai)

''' =4 neutral''' (GreenReaper, Siege, Spirou, Sine )

''' -6 against redaction''' (Spaz Kitty, Findra, DuncanDaHusky, Ayukawataur, Cubist, KendricksRedtail)

Deadlock. As some other users as suggested, we should put this already to rest (the proper way.) Contacting other registered (valid) users/Sysops by staff could be a solution, but (imho) this matter should be settled today [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 16:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

: '''Why bother??? You KNOW that certain people will just dominate the situation and his name won't be removed either way. People are just using this as another means of messing with the guy to set him off.'''

: '''Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.'''

: [[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 16:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:: please enhance your calm anthrosamurai, lest ye be seen as no more than a troll who looses poorly. such would be bad for your cause.
:: i have remained quiet for a while now, however, i would like to say something now. yes, this should be closed. it has been going on for too long and some of the less mature among the ranks have started to show that immaturity. it will only devolve. however, at the same time, anything other than a verdict in their opinion favor will also be met with the same level of maturity. opinion, not fact, of which i hope i am wrong.
:: i would like to propose two things.
:: 1 - any future votes be restricted to established users. either side can easily find straw votes if we do not use that restriction.
:: 2 - preferably, we allow the admins themselves to make the decision, and no matter what it is, we agree to abide by it without complaint. their site, their decision. which is where it should have remained to begin with.
:: side note- i have edited anthrosamurai post above to provide proper indent format.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:::'''Here is what is going to happen.'''

:::Mozdoc's name will be removed for a period of one month.
:::If he starts further trouble, it will be re-added PERMANTLY, with no further consideration for it's removal.
:::What ELSE will happen... well, none of you really want to know.

:::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::"''[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&diff=prev&oldid=203895 Correct me if I'm wrong, but even YOU have gone ahead and skewed the voting by selectively removing votes.]''"
::::*Users with the name [[RubberDuck]], [[Kong]], [[Blurrr]], and [[OneEyedWilley]] have not been found making any decisions (pro/con/neutral) about this vote presently. Will re-add their votes if they make their presence and/or wishes known.
::::*A quick inquiring note has been sent to users [[Cypher]], [[User:Hellcat9940|Hellcat9940]], and [[User:Duncan Wulfweards|Duncan Wulfweards]] to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes to the matter at hand.
::::[[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Uh... I don't think that's your decision to make.
::::: And, I'm going to ask you again: knock it off with the [http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AnthroSamurai&curid=40158&diff=203979&oldid=203919&rcid=212413 name calling] and [[Wikipedia:Incivility|general incivility]]. It is not helping things any. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 20:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

::::::Doug?

::::::'''F--- YOU'''

::::::[[User:AnthroSamurai|So I am a SOCK?? WHY am I always the last to know these things? :))]] 20:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

COMPLETE AND TOTAL FUCKING

BULLSHIT.

I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH.

I WAS SITTING HERE REFRESSING THE PAGE AND THERE WAS NO FURTHER ACTIVITY GENERATED AFTER THAT TIME. THE VOTE WAS FINALIZED, THERE WAS NO MORE SHIT ON THE PAGE. I FUCKING WON AND NOW YOU LITTLE PUSSY FACED SHITFACED MOTHER FUCKING SACKS OF SLOPPY SHIT DECIDE TO GRASP AT WHATEVER MOTHER FUCKING STRAW YOU FUCKING CAN TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS *AGAIN*. FUCKING AGAIN. MOTHER FUCKING AGAIN.

KNOCK THIS FUCKING SHIT OFF! MY NAME IS TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FUCKING SITE IMMEDIATELY AS IT WAS AGREED. LAST MINUTE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS FUCKING VOTING ARE OBVIOUSLY SHOWING THAT THIS WEBSITE AND ALL THE MORONIC DICKHEADS THAT RUN IT ARE BIASED AGAINST ME AND WILL DO NOTHING BY FUCK WITH THIS, FUCK WITH THAT, FUCK OVER THERE, FUCK OVER THERE, AND THEN FUCK EVERYTHING UP AFTER ITS SAID AND DONE.

YOU LITTLE DUMBSHIT ASSHOLES HAVE WASTED TWO WEEKS OF TIME AND HAVE GOTTEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING DONE WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUSLY IN MY FAVOR THAT THIS VOTE WAS GOING AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND TO FUCKING LOOSE CAN YOU? WELL YOU HAVE. I FUCKING WON YOU LITTLE ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT. I FUCKING WON.

I WANT MY NAME REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

--Mozdoc
:sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH." 
:Really? There were ''seven'' votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

=== Closure and explanation ===

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be '''kept''', for the following reasons:

* Only one person supporting removal is a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of edits outside this topic.
* Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. All had less than 200.
* Three of those opposing removal have two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits each.
* A comparison of edit counts gives a ratio of 40 to 1 for those opposing removal, without considering the relation of the edits to this article.

==== Supporting removal ====
*{{user|Mozdoc}}: 70 (100% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Michichael}}: 3 (two of which relate to Mozdoc)
*{{user|Rootdown}}: 79
*{{user|Hellkat9940}}: 1 (with two more as anon)
*{{user|SnowdriftGM}}: 8 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|AnthroSamurai}}: 153 (roughly 80% relating to this issue; currently blocked over insults)

'''Total:''' 314 edits

==== Opposing removal ====
*{{user|SpazKitty}}: 6454
*{{user|Findra}}: 22 (first edit was on Talk:Mozdoc)
*{{user|DuncanDaHusky}}: 1232 + talk edits
*{{user|Ayukawataur}}: 197 (about 30% relating to this topic; concerned party)
*{{user|Cubist}}: 37 (only 5 edits on this topic; unrelated prior edits)
*{{user|KendricksRedtail}}: 5666

'''Total:''' 13608 edits

I do not wish to devalue the views of those new to the site - their contributions are welcome and appreciated - but it is clear that those supporting removal do not represent regular editors, nor have they succeeded in swaying the opinion of these editors. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO.

This makes it six votes in my favor, FIVE in yours. My name should be removed. Look at the page history and tell me if I'm fucking wrong. I'm not. YOU ARE AND YOU'RE FIXING SHIT TO WORK IN YOUR FAVOR TO JUST CONTINUOUSLY FUCK ME SO THAT I APPEAR TO HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OBEY YOU'RE FUCKING RULES AND HAVE MY NAME LISTED HERE WHEN I WANT EXCLUSION. How about just admitting fucking defeat and shutting the fuck up that for once YOU FUCKING LOST.

Get the hell over it and remove my name...NOW.

I would also like to add in the fact that there was NEVER ANYTHING SAID that people needed to have a certain number of edits to be fucking counted. If you're going to play this fucking game then I have every right to take your faggot asses to fucking court and demand removal of my existence from here. You're word that this would end, and obviously ended in my favor, breaks an agreement that was established here. Six to five in favor of removal of my name and yet you make up piss poor fucking excuses to keep it here citing stupid bullshit about the people who bothered to stand up against the little prick sacks of shit that run this site not having enough edits?

FUCK YOU. IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT MATTER HOW MANY EDITS A PERSON HAS. They participated in your fucking sick ass joke of a "community", and all they get is their support for me thrown out just because you think that it takes editing the fucking articles in here to be counted. I'm in agreeance with GreenReaper on this one that you are full of fucking shit and just grasping at whatever straws you can to have your fucking way and it isn't going to fucking happen. I ask that Kendrics be removed from this "voting" process and that my name be excluded from here, AS ASKED.

--Mozdoc
:sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I ''think'' [[http://en.wikifur.com/index.php?title=Talk:Mozdoc&oldid=139283 a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped '''2 May 2007''']] just ''might'' be relevant to your argument here... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

: It also does matter what placement a person has in the community, as if these particular members registered and started editing - or primarily edit articles relating to this conflict - as the people supporting removal do, then they could quite easily be people who registered primarily to sway the result of the vote and not to become a productive WikiFur member. They may have even been pressured into showing support without knowing the proper context of the debate. Add on to this that they don't even contribute enough to be considered representative of the community at large, and it's a very one sided battlefield here. {{:User:Robomilk/sig}} 17:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== UNJUST & DISHONORABLE ACTS ==

I think all wikifur users, and the fandom in general, should be made aware of the tactics and dirty tricks the site dictat - excuse me, ADMINISTRATORS - employ to get their way.

'''GREENREAPER''' - changing voting policy after the fact to support the underlings of his dictatorship.

There was no consensus between those debating the issue. The name will be kept, '''because only one of those supporting its removal is an unrelated party and a regular editor of WikiFur with a majority of their edits outside of this topic,''' as opposed to four of those opposing its removal.
Half of those supporting removal had less than 10 edits on WikiFur. Of those who had more, none had more than 200 edits, and only one was not mainly or solely involved with this situation.
Conversely, '''three of those opposing removal are WikiFur administrators with two-year track records and thousands of unrelated edits,''' and one other editor also appears otherwise uninvolved with this conflict.
(These policies WERE NOT stated until AFTER voting was finished, and were used simply to gain an unfair advantage in favor of what he and his fellow controlers wanted.)

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'''SPIROU''' - removal of votes in favor of redaction, then claiming that he hadn't seen the votes and needed to "contact them to find out".

'''I voted to have his name removed because the recent continuation of this whole facade is becoming unreasonably reaching on the borderline of internet harasment on Mozdoc sake.''' Yes he may of said some things that were regrettable and I understand that you wish to protect users, but to hold someones real life information against their wishes is wrong and most probably illegal. There are websites like Fchan has a DNP list of those who wish not to have their information posted against their wishes.. Moz has told me that he only wants this page to be taken down and that he can move on from this ridiculousness. I already gave him advice to follow if this does continue on beyond Anthrocon.. I wish you luck Moz..
- Dunc (aka Duncan Wulfweards) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.166.142.24 (talk • contribs) 00:38 and 00:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

'''I think its a bit of an invasion of privacy to have Mozodc's real name on here''' for everyone to see. Hellkat9940 05:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick inquiring note has been sent to users Hellcat9940, and Duncan Wulfweards '''to confirm that you have their permission to add their votes''' to the matter at hand. Spirou 20:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(Duncan Wulfweards made it clear BEYOND ALL DOUBT that he was voting.... for redaction - Yet Spirou deleted his vote ANYWAY)

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CUBIST - General harrassment & support of dishonest actions by Spirou(re: vote deletion)

Shorter 'Vladuz': "If we don't remove Mozdoc's real name from his Wikifur page, the terrorists win!" Overblown histrionics much, V-boy? I say you're a concern troll, and I say the hell with you. And my vote remains the same. Cubist 11:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

sez mozdoc: "I WAS AHEAD BY ONE VOTE AT THE MORNING OF JULY SEVENTH."
Really? There were seven votes "in your corner" (as it were)? Who is it that cast this elusive seventh vote, please? Cubist 08:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

sez Mozdoc: "Excuse me, but KendricksRedtail shouldn't even be fucking counted in this because his declaration of opposing removal of my name came SEVEN MINUTES AFTER THE 12:01A DEADLINE THAT WE *ALL* AGREED TO." Beggin' yer pardon, Mozdoc, but for some strange reason, I think [a particular edit of Kendricks Redtail's that was timestamped 2 May 2007] just might be relevant to your argument here... Cubist 10:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(This voting was not in effect on May 2nd, '''2007''', so how can any such edit count towards offsetting Kendrick's voting AFTER the deadline?)

As for my not editing elsewhere, GREENREAPER conveniently leaves out certain facts in his desperate attempt to justify his dishonest and cowardly tactics.

As the situation now stands, wikifur itself is just as damaging to the reputation of the fandom as the perverts are.

[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 21:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:'''SHALL WE SHOOT-DOWN ANOTHER OF GREENREAPER'S LIES???'''

:AS USER "AnthroSamurai"

:20:44, 8 July 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Threats do not belong on WikiFur)

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:'''00:12, 3 July 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:MySpace‎ (Created page with 'Ok, why are there entries for myspace, facebook, and other NON-FURRY RELATED sites on wikifur???????? [[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)')'''

:'''04:14, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Life immitates art (lol): new section)'''

:03:56, 30 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:14:23, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

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:10:03, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) m Mozdoc‎

:09:47, 29 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Mozdoc‎ ((best way to laugh is to make others laugh))

:22:48, 27 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Voting phase)

:10:46, 25 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Removal of real name?)

:22:38, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:69.46.17.168‎ (Created page with '===lying as you did goes against what this country was founded on=== I do not know why you would edit my userpage to add such lies, and personally I do not care. If you have a ...') (top)

:'''22:32, 6 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Reverting vandalism: new section) (top) '''

:02:40, 5 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?)

:'''04:59, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ '''

:'''04:21, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Add photo)'''

:'''04:04, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎'''

:02:57, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

:02:28, 4 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ (Undo revision 197085 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:23:14, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Asylumfoxy714‎ (→Anons aren't so anon.: new section)

:15:19, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Request: new section)

:14:52, 3 June 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Banned again?: new section)

:'''00:02, 28 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Bigfoot‎ (Hey, come on! He's more furry than all of us combined! lol) '''

:23:48, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Straitfox‎ (→Deletion)

:23:38, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Romanian & the IM: new section)

:23:34, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Siege‎ (→Didn't do it)

:'''23:29, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation: Deleted post - Rat's edite of my post made the whole thing pointless :() (top)'''

:23:25, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement)

:'''21:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)'''

:19:04, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→Self defense)

:18:58, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?: clarify)

:17:36, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:17:27, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Ayukawa goading Mozdoc into further aggression?)

:12:08, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:11:37, 27 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→Name translation)

:12:56, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Rat‎ (→Selective enforcement: new section)

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎ (Undo revision 197345 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:12:53, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad)

:11:19, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→Is there any proof?: new section)

:11:02, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎ (→If you only had a brain :)): new section)

:10:58, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:10:43, 26 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Ayukawataur‎

:19:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:19:25, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 197131 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:17:02, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Undo revision 197095 by Brushwell Clinton (talk))

:16:59, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removal of contributions)

:16:50, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Brushwell Clinton‎ (→Don't push it lad: new section)

:16:46, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 197094 by Brushwell Clinton (talk)

:'''14:35, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎'''

:14:34, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Undo revision 195798 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:32, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Undo revision 196332 by AnthroSamurai (talk))

:14:31, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎

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:13:55, 24 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (Undo revision 197051 by Ayukawataur - It leads to the same place, AYUKA.)

:05:44, 23 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: There is no need for TWO links to the same place.)

:23:23, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest) (top)

:23:19, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:'''22:56, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:05:04, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:05:01, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

:'''04:38, 21 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:'''07:07, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tabitha (story)‎ (Upgrade tag to "NOVEL" - Story is at 56,947 words)'''

:'''07:03, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tabitha (story)‎ (Created page with '===Technically, no longer a "short story" === I just did a word count on all 13 chapters of this story - and it's broken out of the "short story" category.... at precicely 56,9...') (top) '''

:'''06:51, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Whoever considers 40,000 words to be a short story never had to type that many. :))) '''

:'''03:19, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:AnthroSamurai‎ (→Removed "short story" tag)'''

:'''03:17, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''03:16, 20 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''20:05, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Mwalimu‎ (→Removed "short story" tag: new section)'''

:'''19:53, 19 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Undo revision 195870 by Mwalimu (talk))'''

:01:41, 18 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Mozdoc's love notes via IM)
:'''13:19, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina‎ (top)'''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''11:47, 17 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ (top) '''

:'''15:33, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P)'''

:'''15:22, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→How about THIS one. :P: new section)'''

:'''10:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:49, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''09:43, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:'''09:40, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Image:Lag650.GIF‎ (Saw this particular lag box '''on 05/16/08 at 0438... What can I say, I get goofy at that hour of the morning. :))) (top)'''

:'''08:16, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Sabrina Online: The Story‎ (Update chapter #/date)'''

:'''08:11, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Secret Sabrina Society‎ (Created page with 'An "underground" fan group of Eric W. Schwartz's skunkette character Sabrina, alleged to have been involved with pornagraphic, or yiff style artwork of the character.')'''

:'''01:19, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?) '''

:01:02, 16 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Conflict of interest)

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:'''23:17, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?)'''

:'''23:16, 15 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Ayukawataur‎ (→HE or SHE?: new section)'''

:18:20, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal Issues)

:14:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions)

:14:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Dmuth‎ (→deletions: new section)

:12:55, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:05, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest)

:12:01, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Confilct of interest: new section)

:11:50, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues)

:11:48, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) m Kacey Miyagami‎ (→Legal issues: remove some info added by Ayukawataur - see talk pg)

:'''09:53, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''09:43, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:09:23, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:09:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux: Sorry, lol - couldn't resist (read before reverting please - you'll laugh))

:'''08:09, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Tales from the Reservation‎ (top)'''

:'''08:02, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:07:49, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:06:07, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion redux)

:'''05:32, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''05:30, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎ '''

:'''05:22, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''05:19, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎'''

:'''05:10, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User:AnthroSamurai‎'''

:AS USER 75.7.254.145‎

:02:37, 13 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Mozdoc‎ (→Exclusion)

:11:17, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Spaz Kitty‎

:'''04:11, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Fix screw-up.) '''

:'''04:09, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) The American Journal of Anthropomorphics‎ (Add info on issues) '''

:'''03:48, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Talk:Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:39, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Darrell Benvenuto‎ (top) '''

:'''03:31, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''03:15, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation'''

:'''03:12, 12 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''12:20, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:75.7.254.145‎ '''

:'''08:36, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:49, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎'''

:'''06:40, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation'''

:'''06:39, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ '''

:'''06:09, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:58, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (→External Links) '''

:'''05:56, 10 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Tales from the Reservation‎ (Author's email added (Insert evil grin here))'''

:'''16:32, 9 May 2008 (hist) (diff) Jason Dahlen‎ (→External links: Added his newest site) (top)'''

:SO, as anyone other than the flunkies can see, I did not come to this sight solely for Mozdoc - I did not even know who he was before all of this. Nor are my posts solely in defense of Mozdoc - as I have threatened to conk his and Ayuka's (along with anyone else) heads together.

:And Limey? Next time you want to make claims about me, at least do your homework first ;)

:[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::I stand by my statement - roughly 80% of your edits relate to this case. My point was not that you were a supporter as Mozdoc, nor that you came to this site at his bidding - merely that you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views, and so in a tiebreaker situation, the views of more experienced editors should prevail. I discounted Findra's opinion for the same reason, and their view was opposed to yours. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::'''you do not have the same editing experience as those with opposing views'''

::Look junior, The fact that you keep going on about "EDITING EXPERIENCE" while shoving aside ACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience, and insisting on lying when you have been caught red-handed (Your own comments prove such) makes you look like a total buffoon.

::I would suggest you correct your dishonesty.... but you and I both know that you won't - you would rather lie, manipulate, change rules, and generally screw with people. The only way you will change is if you get your ass kicked by the fandom - and to that end I have already emailed and/or otherwise posted the above over 250 times to various people, groups, and sites.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]]

:::I vote for removing his name, The longer we all drag this on, the longer it will go on. I think mozdoc will go away if we just leave him alone. {{unsigned|Germanshepherd}}

::::A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::'''GREENREAPER: "A decision motivated by Mozdoc's harrassment of the members of this site is not acceptable. Mozdoc has made it clear that he will be satisfied by nothing but complete removal of the article, anyway." '''

:::::So yet ANOTHER excuse for your dishonest actions? I suppose next you will claim you didn't want to do it, but one of the other admins (or maybe Ayuka) MADE you. ;)

:::::Had you and the others played fair and not used this as yet another means of messing with the guy, then even if the decission had been against people like myself would have stuck up for you. HOWEVER, since you played dirty, you can expect the same right back at you.

:::::Give it up, junior - You got busted cheating, plain and simple. And your dishonesty in this is going to be known all across cyberspace.

:::::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.7|75.8.39.7]] 05:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Is This Still Being Voted On? ==

If this is still being voted on, count me as a vote opposed to removing Mozdoc's name from the article. I'm not involved with any of this drama, I just stumbled into this page from browsing Recent Changes, but after reading the comments on this Talk page, I don't see sufficient reason for his name to be removed. Beyond that, everything that can be said has been, it seems, and I'm admittedly a bit confused as to why this is still being debated.

There, it's not a tie anymore.
- [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:"''Is This Still Being Voted On?''." No, voting closed on July 9, 2008, sorry [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Ok, just figured I'd do what I could to end this ridiculous discussion. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh, methinks it would not have ended even with the removal of the user's name,... Call it a hunch... =P [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Methinks you misread my comment, I'm opposed to removing his name, partly due to the reasons you allude to. [[User:FelixSoftpaw|Felix Softpaw]] 08:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry, was late, and I was tired [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== fc'08 ==

officially he was a gofer. while there he did numerous gofer duties, including helping with the setup and teardown of the art show hardware, helping with organization of the con-store, and generic door guard duties, where he mostly stood there across from me as i waved people in.
he was not a member of security staff.
--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK. The reason I put that there was that I've been at cons that tend to lump the "door guard" role together with that. I've changed it to just "gofer" for simplicity. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I've taken the liberty to set this shit straight considering I don't know how in the fucking hell you people know about every little mother fucking thing that I do in this shithole of a world. I volunteered at Further Confusion, and I plan to do it again and beat the ever loving shit out of every single one of you faggots that I meet there to get my point across that I'm sick of being listed here against my will and wishes and that you dickheads refuse to do your job and obey the request to remove my entire existence from this fucking site. I also volunteered at Califur 4, but signing up was as far as it went. I never did anything because I would've had to devote my entire time at the con in order to get my membership back, so it was hardly worth it considering it was three days long anyway.

::Are we fucking clear on this? STOP DOCUMENTING MY FUCKING LIFE AND REMOVE MY NAME OFF WIKIFUR NOW.

::--Mozdoc {{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

== Use of edit counts in voting ==

It's easy to rack up edits when all you do is post on wikifur. My first edit may have been on here and the main reason I registered may have been because someone threw out my vote when it wasnt from a 'registered name'. The fact of the matter remains that there is only one specific portion of the fandom I'm involved in and thats the Gateway MUCK project and a few other MU*'s that arent Taps/FurryMUCK. Therefore I will probably never hit this magical '200 edit' mark where apparently someone's vote means something. It's also possible to rack up edits by small contributions. Finding out this makes me wish I had not bothered in the first place. [[User:SnowdriftGM|SnowdriftGM]] 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me explain it this way: If you had to make a decision on Gateway MUCK policy, and the opinion was evenly split between people who had visited as anonymous users and then registered and maybe logged in once or twice for a few hours, and those who had spent years working on improving the MUCK, what would your decision be?

:We seek the input of all members of the fandom; but ultimately, if it's clear that the people who make this site work are unhappy with it, it's probably not the best decision to make. There is nothing magical about 200 edits - or the fact that the edit count was used at all. It was simply a way to demonstrate the great disparity between the involvement of the groups in WikiFur.

:The edit count also does not imply that these users are more heavily involved in the fandom as a whole - the majority of the heavier users' edits are not content modifications, but improvements to the style, formatting, spelling or grammar; or discussions of how to present and organize information. It '''does''' mean that these people are regular contributors to WikiFur, and therefore deserve a greater say in how it is run, other things being equal. It also increases the confidence that they have experience of similar discussions, and haven't decided (or been asked) to drop by to comment on a particular topic. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Snowdrift, if you haven't figured it out yet - Greenreaper and his buddies simply didn't want his name removed... so to get what they wanted they rigged the voting.

::Think about it - Spirou removed votes in favor of redaction, the other good old boys all sidded togthers, then non other than greenreaper himself changes the rules AFTER voting is complete, claiming only those votes from his nazi elite count, and nobody else matters.

::Greenreaper has shown that he's a spoiled little snob who will do whatever it tekse - fair or foul - to get his way, and the others who joined him in this farse are no better.

::[[Special:Contributions/75.8.39.155|75.8.39.155]] 09:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Judgement Rendered ==

Apologies to those for whom the action was left hanging. I was unavoidably detained without access to my computer, from the evening of the Fourth of July until very recently. In my judgement, the votes appear to be balanced. I have offered mercy of a sort in redacting Mozdoc's name; anyone may still find it in the edit history.

If anyone has a palpable reason to reinstate said name beyond it being "public record", then I won't stop them; but my own personal judgement has been offered in this matter, I have taken action to offer some forgiveness on my part, and I am DONE and MOVING ON. I encourage others to do so as well. I repeat my personal refusal to remove any other facts from the page, because it is sure that Mozdoc's reputation has been built brick by brick, and will have to be rebuilt, again brick by brick, if he wants anyone else involved in these matters to move on and give him a chance to be his own self again. Please note that this is not a victory, just an ending.

Thank you all for your time, thank you for participating. Please, everyone, let go of your anger and let the conflict end; I feel that there's no point dragging it out any further. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 18:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Though I don't see the vote as being "balanced" since it was screwed from the get go - Good show mate on standing for what's right. Count me as an ally ;)

John Cross
[[Special:Contributions/75.7.252.32|75.7.252.32]] 16:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for page removal, again.

The time is 8:40pm Pacific time 8/22/2008. Twenty-four hours from now, I'm going to remove this page completely as I've stressed before that I have ZERO desire to be here. I've stayed quiet, I've not bothered anybody, and so this seems just and fair to me that this article is removed and forgotten about.

--Mozdoc

:(gets popcorn and folding chair, sits down to wait for the inevitable fireworks when this page gets restored after Mozdoc deletes it) [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 06:41, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-11T10:53:03Z

Cubist: /* Opposing removal */

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-09T08:14:34Z

Cubist: /* Vote tally (July 8rd, 2008) */

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-08T11:19:38Z

Cubist:

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-05T11:14:56Z

Cubist: /* Voting phase */

Talk:Mozdoc

2008-07-03T05:58:48Z

Cubist:

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2008-07-03T05:45:55Z

Cubist:

TSA-Bash

2008-05-20T12:11:15Z

Cubist: /* 2005 */ surplus straight-quotemark terminated with extreme prejudice

The '''TSA-Bash''' ("Bash" for short) is an annual get-together, the expressed purpose of which is "goofing off", for members of the TSA-Talk mailing list. Strictly speaking, it is intended specifically for persons interested in physical [[transformation]]s; but given the notably high percentage of transformation-fen who are also interested in [[furry]], in practice the Bash is also a gathering of furs.

Unlike [[furry con]]s, the Bash doesn't have a "conference" type quality to it. Instead, the attendees just sit around and chat, play games, go out to eat, and sometimes model [[fursuits]]. While there is a chaotic quality, the Bash does have a couple of structured events, such as a group photo or outings to the city that they're close to.

== History ==
===1998===
[[Phil Geusz]] thought it might be "neat" to have a couple of people from the [[Transformation Story Archive]] mailing list to get-together at his house for some fun and goofing off. Instead of a couple, he got 19 people. It was promised that the get-together would happen again next year.

===1999===
Since the 1998 get-together was such a success, more people showed up at Phil's house, this time attracting over 50 people. It became apparent, especially after his yard was full of tents and there was people sleeping on the floor everywhere in his house, that the get-together would have to be moved to a hotel. This began the tradition of the nomadic nature of the Bash. There were several reasons for the move to a hotel:
*The number of people in the house caused a monumental trash pile and broke the air conditioning unit, requiring the use of many fans.
*It took Phil over an hour and a half to get from one of the house to the other for an urgent matter.
*Phil's house is only starting to recover, even in 2007.

===2000===
The get-together became known as the "Bash" at this point and moved to Elgin, Illinois, where 37 people showed up.

===2001===
The Bash is held in Hazelwood, Missouri. Attendee count: 28

===2002===
The Bash is held in Sea-Tac, Washington. Attendee count: 32

===2003===
The Bash is held in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Attendee count: 25

===2004===
The Bash is held in Austin, Texas. Attendee count: 17

===2005===
The Bash is held in Sunnyvale, California. Attendee count: 15. This Bash is significant, furry-wise, in that it's where Quentin Long decided to start up the netzine ''[[Anthro (magazine)|Anthro]]'' as a result of conversations with Phil Geusz.

===2006===
The Bash is held in Florence, Kentucky. Attendee count: 22

===2007===
The Bash is held in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. Attendee count: 27

===2008===
In 2008, the Bash is going to be held in Oakland, CA, in the vicinity of the 2005 Bash.

== Mailing List ==
The discussions for the TSA-Bash can be had on the [[http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/tsabash TSA-Bash mailing list].

==External links==
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Talk:Mozdoc

2008-05-20T12:01:43Z

Cubist: /* Exclusion redux */

== MUCK list ==
The list of MU*s from @action does not look legitimate to me, and the jokey tone of various other pieces in the same document does not reasure me. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was written tongue in cheek. Although at the time it was written, Mozdoc had been banned from at least SpinDizzy, Unbridled Desires, and Furry Muck, (due to a hostile obsession with two characters on these Mucks,) the
reference to the @Action News [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands]ahould be taken with a grain of salt as that article was written tongue in cheek. Although it well summarises the situation, not all the statements or opinions in this article or others are always based in fact.

As it says at the bottom of that page, "The things reported don't have to have actually happened, (any more than anything that happens here does,) but make sure you don't overstep the social boundaries and rules of interaction that we have." It is in that spirit that article was written. Mozdoc had become, for a small muck like SpinDizzy, a very large, very annoying problem and the writer had become fruistrated with his actions and responded, rather than with vitrol and disgust, with humor. {{unsigned|Argon Hamilton}}

As a wizard on SpinDizzy, I'd like to make it clear that none of the wizards have encouraged or are involved with this particular effort to document Mozdoc's history. I'd also like to reiterate that the articles cited from in the newspaper should not be viewed as accurate reference information. Articles there are often humorous and stretch the truth to some extent. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'm readding MUCKs I assume to be true given by statements here and references found. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Exclusion==

Although there were personal attacks in it, I take http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=135319 to be an exclusion request. I'll perform it in 24 hours unless there are objections. It would not affect references to him on other pages where he is a legitimate mention. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: which part would you be excluding? as the [[mozdoc]] page seems to have been created to remove the problems from other pages. i was planning on writing up a 'moz&furbid' chronicle for it as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::The [[Mozdoc]] page only, similar to, for example [[Alex Kitsune]]. Of course, if it's not the will of the community, I won't do it. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:OK. So, here's the issue. There's this guy, and he is not a guy who appears to get on well with certain other people. He claims that this is an isolated case, but [[Talk:Kacey Miyagami#More background info on Mozdoc|evidence suggests otherwise]]. There has indeed been legal action against him in the past, although it has lapsed. He was allegedly removed from [[Further Confusion 2007]]. Further Confusion has yet to confirm this officially and I suspect they will not do so, however we have no particular reason to doubt the claim.

:Do we exclude? It seems like he's trouble, not just past trouble, and it's rather hard to decide just how much is idle posturing. Harassment ''is'' a crime when it is taken to extremes. I personally feel that his [[User talk:Mozdoc|indiscriminate use of death threats]] (often coming [http://goldfur.livejournal.com/50106.html?thread=477370#t477370 quite out of the blue] against third-parties) is something that really should continue to be noted somewhere as a caution to others. Realistically this article name is probably the place people will come looking. The attitude with which this "request" was made does not help. Does it need his real name? He's ghosted FC when he was banned, so it might be worth it for checking purposes. Thoughts? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:::More "out of the blue" harassment: a comment on Mozdoc's [http://furaffinity.net/user/mozdoc FurAffinity page] from slyfox819 on 4/27/07 said, "What the hell was up with that hateful instant message you just sent me? If that's how you treat people who want to be friendly with you then you're never going to have any friends." [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: i would rather not see it removed. i have been putting off writing up about him on [[ayukawataur]], [[furbid-sf]] and it would also documenting on kaceys page as well, which would be almost a mirror of what would be on mine. what would go on furbid-sf would be similar, but there are other happenings which are not related directly to either of us. then one may have to consider the inclusion of information on goldfurs page, and each of the mucks that are able to be verified... and so on and so forth.
:: it would become a bookeeping nightmare that could be more easily covered on just his page. as is consistently stated. he did these things and wikifur is not about just showing the good side. it is about showing the what really happened. and i assume that means in an easy to read, easy to understand manner.
:: his name is not going to be hidden as long as the tro record exists, and as it is a matter of public record. there is no point in hiding it.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::Vote against exclusion. As for real name, like I said on [[Kacey Miyagami]], no. He's a (verbal, at least) threat to people and shouldn't be allowed the privilege of being "hidden" from view. To use a common MUCK motto, ICA=ICC, buddy. You act a certain way over and over again, don't be surprised when you're forced to receive the less-than-fun consequences. Again, I reference [[Sibe]] - he wasn't granted exclusion, either. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I would vote against exclusion for the same reasons we did not honor the exclusions for [[Sibe]] and [[Bart Bervoets]]. As I said in the [[Talk:Sibe/Archive1#Exclusion|Sibe article discussion]], "Just as a famous <nowiki>[</nowiki>or infamous<nowiki>]</nowiki> person or politician loses some rights to privacy in the general media by virtue of being famous, because the subject has affected many areas of furry fandom I think that the same applies."----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 13:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion too. It seems that the subject of the article has a consistent history of this sort of activity, and I'd rather not see it removed. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote against exclusion. When I created this page, it was as an attempt to siphon all the drama away from the other pages so we can do things like unlock Kacey. I'm sure she would like to resume updating her wiki. All relevant information instead of being spread out on various articles can be consolidated here, such as stuff about Furbid. I'd really like to hear how this all really began. Also as well, we keep other not so illustrious figures on this project, aka [[Sibe]], to name the most apparent. All Mozdoc has done is work his way up to that level and he did it all by himself. He has threatened the lives of MULTIPLE people by now, not just Kacey.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 19:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::: i could write up how it all began. it will take a little while, but i do not mind much.--[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 20:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Please do. I think this way we can better understand why he is the way he is. I also wouldn't mind hearing his side of how it all started, but I don't think we can get a clear lower-case g-rated version from him that doesn't paint you two as the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet.--[[User:KendricksRedtail|Kendricks Redtail]] 21:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: okay. like i say, it will take a bit to get to. and as most things i write here will probably be done in segments. i do not know if you can get anything from him. in all the years i have dealt with him, he has not been any different than you see here. he truthfully hates me and kacey, which is a bit beyond my ability to comprehend. he even blames me for his ban here, or so the communications i have received from him say. i do not know if he is capable of understanding cause/effect relationships.
::::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:I can see that the community came out strongly against exclusion. I won't be doing it at this time. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 10:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

You are SO full of shit. You miserable piece of shit mother fucking cunt sucker. You posted all of this shit and didn't think that I would notice? Oh you are sadly mother fucking mistaken you slut. I have read it and now that I have you've just made my fucking blood boil all over again with how you've meticulously detailed and documented every mother fucking thing that I've done wrong with you. How about we come to a fucking compromise here?

How about you destroy all that shit that you've bothered to remember, recall, save, catelog or post online, removing all of your shitty undeserved bans against me, allowing me back in onto Furbid since you don't have a god damn reason to keep me out other than the reason that you fucking hate me and own it and it gives you a hard on keeping someone like me out, and then, when all that shit is done, give me your phone number so that I can contact you when all else fails on IM's or some shit like that.

You just had to go and piss me off again didn't you? You could've kept your mother fucking mouth shut. You could've not even put that fucking shit in on Kacey's page, you know that you little cunt? You could've just shut that shithole in your mother fucking face and stop it from spewing shit all over the god damn place, and had that happened, I wouldn't be so pissed the fuck off at you right now and feeling my hands tense from wanting to punch that smug smile on your face clean off. You annoy me, you piss me off, and you can't take a fucking hint. REMOVE ALL THE FUCKING BANS and already we'd be on much better ground.

But NO. Your just like every other mother fucker in the god damn world. All that you can focus in on is right in front of your fucking face and all you see is me getting pissed off and yelling at you and that's all you ever fucking see. You don't bother to even fucking listen to the shit I'm saying and do as I ask, under the promise that once you do, THINGS WILL BE MUCH FUCKING BETTER!

I'm disgusted to even continue my existance as a 'taur player with your in the midst of it all. I'm disgusted and revolted at how much pull you have as a person over every fucking con, website, or little fucking thing that I try to call my own and have out at you in some fashion just so I can have the happiness of FUCKING YOU for once and getting away with it. You don't deserve Kacey, you don't deserve to own Furbid, you don't even deserve to fucking live. Your a god damn curse and all because of me posting some of your cunt sucking wifes work online you had to start all this shit. You could've just let it slide, you know that you little shit? Why don't you start letting it slide, remove your fucking bans, and how about removing all of your shit that you've posted online about me.

And then go fucking die.

How you mother fuckers like that? I better not hear any one of you people responding to this. I get the last fucking word in everything. I am determined to get my way and fuck you all until you leave me the fuck alone, let me be the outspoken person that I am, rant about what pisses me off the most, and not give a shit about it. Not a big fucking deal if you ask me, so fuck off and lock this forum so that no sacks of shit can post to it again. Especially you, Noriko.

--Mozdoc (added by [[User:85.10.128.6|85.10.128.6]] 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC))

Mozdoc, I doubt you'll ever read this... but I'll give it a shot anyway.

I have yet to see anything that shows WHY you went off on a hell-raising spree, at least nothing definative. Granted, ayukawataur in particular tends to be an a** - but a relatively minor one compared to all the other crap going on both online & off.

You've built up quite a notorious reputation so far. Now that you have, you can make a choice - to continue using that rep as you have been, or to change focus and use it to try and change how things have become in the world. I know from experience what such a reputation can accomplish. Lol, the very upper class "snobs" in my area who used to delight in pushing people around and throwing their weight around now tend to, as the saying goes, "walk on eggshells" and think twice about acting like a**holes towards others, simply because they are AFRAID of how I might come down on them. Hell, even the police who would look the other way at their antics & law breaking are hesitant to cross paths with or run afoul of me.

In spite of the way it sounds, I don't want you to think I'm bragging - it's a hard road & a hard life. But with all the crap I've seen I just couldn't stand by and let it go on, I had to do something about the unequal treatment.

With that said.....

Will ye join me? or will ye stand against me?

[[Special:Contributions/75.7.254.145|75.7.254.145]] 02:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Other controversy ==
Stuff to add to the article when I have more time (or if someone else wants to tackle it, go ahead): [http://www.ljseek.com/mozdoc_s4Zp1.html Mozdoc search] on LJSeek. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 13:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==
as per kendricks redtail request for information on the experience.

i am going to use here to add items in first until they can be put in by those who are better at writing than i am.
: * may 12, 2002 kacey and i were contacted by a fan, and a friend of jeremy, informing us that he was distributing her work, and was claiming he had permission to do so. he used various methods, including sending a zip file of all her taurs at the time over [http://members.aol.com/idahobob/taurlist.html idahobobs taur list]. previous that incident there were no watermarks on kaceys work.
: * may 12 i attempted to contact jeremy via email to verify. i received no response over a period of five days. after which i removed all of kaceys work from online to update with visual scarring watermarks and replaced them.
: * less than an hour later i was contacted by jeremy wanting to know why i had done such. after i explained to him his part in the choice, he started by telling me that i had no right to do such and demanded that i replace the images without watermarks. he further demanded that all images of kaceys to be listed in the future be free of any visual scarring so that he could download them and print them for himself, claiming her work was not worth what it was selling for. he further claimed that both kacey and i should be grateful for his actions as it would obviously make her more popular by getting her work into more hands. i of course declined.
: * he immediately responded with methods you see as similar in his actions here.
: * we decided to let him purchase one of her prints ([http://www.furbid.ws/images/administaur/cheetahtaur.jpg stretching cheetah taur]) off furbid. after he received it he contacted me claiming he now had another watermark free image and was going to copy it for distribution so that we could never sell another print like it as anyone who wanted it could get such for free. he was immediately blacklisted from future purchase.
: * it was after he found he had been blacklisted that he went from being belligerent to full death threats. not only directly to us, but was threatening our lives to other people, which was forwarded to us on a daily basis.
: * during all of this time i continually expressed a desire for him to clean up his language. the excessive use of profanity was making it complicated for me to understand him.
: * i decided shortly after this happened that i was going to take two actions. the first was i wanted to know who he was. in depth. if he was making threats against our lives, we needed to know who he was. the second was i spoke with a couple of lawyers about the situation. we were advised to sue him for copyright infringement, criminal copyright infringement, file a restraining order, and involve federal authorities for the death threats.
: * it took a while before we actually did something about it. during the interim time i learned about him. spoke with him many times. i also spoke with his birth father and his mother trying to find a solution that would not require doing something which would ruin his life. after a short period of time, on his mothers email account, the typing structure changed, which led me to contact her again directly. she explained to me she was no longer receiving email from me and feared jeremy was intercepting them. she also told me she feared the only way to handle the situation was to take him to court.
: * as we saw a convention approaching rapidly, we decided that it was in our best interests to file for a restraining order. we took the time to warn jeremy of our intention, and explained to him what it would mean and how it would affect him. he responded with further threats and told us we would never be able to get one as we had no grounds to get one.
: * in october of 2002 we filed for a restraining order in the los angeles superior court. an immediate effect 30 day order was put in effect until the actual hearing. after reading the logs of all communications the judge actually expressed fear for kacey. also, despite what jeremy claims, it was not i who filed the order. which anyone who reads it can see. i am named as a second party on the order. it was filed in kaceys name.
: * in november of 2002 there was a hearing. jeremy failed to appear, which granted kacey a win by default.
: * as jeremy enjoys pointing out, yes we did use the lawyer fees as a tax write off.
: * after jeremy was served with the order he immediately contacted me, violating the order. which i ignored. in fact i ignored him, as per the terms of the order until i took over furbid.
: * due to the terms of the order, jeremy was subsequently denied access to any convention kacey and i went to. this was because we needed to get business licenses to sell in areas which cons took place. this immediately made said locations officially places of business, which was also listed on the order as no contact. not all conventions were happy about this requirement. out of respect for the conventions themselves i do not wish to list them and what we went through with each. other than anthrocon.
: * prior to ac'03 kacey and i were approached by dr. conway. he wanted to know how it was that someone could have an order against kacey, and what it was she did to make jeremy file against her. apparently jeremy was attempting to use a slightly doctored scan of the order claiming he had an order against us and was trying to get us banned from the con. as the law required we keep the order with us at all times, we provided dr. conway with a legal copy and jeremy was banned from anthrocon. the next month dr. conway sent me a notarized deposition of the experience.
: * bit of humour - dr. conway stated his first thought was "kacey? what is she going to do? cute him to death?"
: * each year, despite his being unable to register, jeremy did attempt to both attend and ghost at conventions we were present at. on one incident he was almost caught by the police for doing so. san jose incident case/report #05-013-0926. he managed to flee the con and spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel across the freeway.
: * during all of this time he did make contact on various occasions which was ignored.
: * later i will add furbid into the timeline. and if need be flesh some things out more.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

it really was not until around 2004 when things really began to be a problem. shortly after it was announced by [[aatheus|jeff orr]] that i was taking on the job of [[furbid-sf|furbid]] assistant admin. jeremy began again his harassment in full. this was expected by both myself and jeff, and we chose to ignore it. however, when i took over as admin, the entire situation changed drastically.
: as jeremy had been still harassing through email, and other contact, it was suggested by our attorney to make a public [http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/furboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=9657778ea892d4b9da223414d4968893;act=ST;f=1;t=7 announcement]. this announcement explained that i was banning jeremy from use of the discussion board. at the time he was not being banned from the actual auction system. i will not publish exactly what was said, though it had to do with extremely (i imagine) painful sexual practices and how he intended to perform them on myself and kacey.
: it was his immediate response which led to his ban from the auction server. this involved the creation of multiple accounts nd continual harassing contacts. an example of accounts created follow
:: mozdocalicentaur
:: Name: A B
:: Address: C
:: City: D
:: State: E
:: Zip: F
:: Country: United States
:: Phone: G
:: Signature: FurBid-SF sucks ass. Everyone should switch to FurBuy.
:: Where Did You Hear About Us?: Fucking Aukawa
: this led to him being banned.
: he also began to use the internal message server to send messages such as:
:: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
:: What the hell is wrong with this stupid excuse of FurBid? I tried to log in as mozdoc and it says my account is suspended for whatever reason, so I create a new one, and now its suspended too. Who the hell is doing the administrative stuff over there? Unsuspend my damn accounts. I've done nothing wrong and whatever stupid issues the administrator has with me, drop it. Me using FurBid doesn't put me into any contact with you, so unsuspend me and let me bid on auctions.
::: forgive me for choosing the softer ones. even though i keep everything, i prefer to not have so much vulgarity.
: this continued for quite a while, which resulted in my locking his ip address, ip range, and eventually his isp. off and on he still manages to find a way on and gets locked when i catch it.
: after this he began a long campaign to harass me via aim, yahoo, and livejournal. again, i blocked him from online messengers where he created new accounts, blocked, new, blocked, new, etc. he also started having his friends message me to ask, demand, threaten and so on and so forth.
: he started taking images of my avatar and posting altered versions around the internet. this caused the loss of his livejournal, and later of his deviant art account - for images i linked to earlier on another thread.
: as you may notice, this is a bit more scattered as it mostly becomes a blur. i kind of stopped keeping perfect records about a year ago. there was just too much happening on a daily basis that to record all of it in a fashion that is legible and post able would have required too much time.
: there were numerous incidents which occurred at conventions. out of respect for the conventions themselves, i will not go into detail either.
: the tro? it was a conscious decision on my and kaceys part to let it lapse. we could have easily had it reinstated for another three years, which we were advised to do by most persons we knew. however, we decided that he deserved the chance to prove he could behave in a mature manner. i informed fc of this in an email on 12-20-2005 and asked them to handle things how they felt fit. and since then i have left each convention to handle it their own way. which i should note, i have no complaints at all about their methods and decisions.
:: i really do not feel like writing more on this at the moment. i am quite tired of this whole situation and would like for it to be over. however, i can not allow him to have what he wants or i open the gates or others to do what he has done. --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 05:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of real name? ==

Exclusion is out. It's fairly clear that this sort of pattern over an extended period of time is notable enough to be recorded. However, I for one would like to see this series of events peter out rather than continue. It's been five years and I suspect both parties are kinda sick of it. I've read over the above, and it seems like a fairly meaningless feud at this point.

With this in mind, I propose that we keep this article (with all appropriate modifications based on the above) but remove Mozdoc's real-life name from it, '''''on the condition''''' that there be nothing that requires the real name to be used in the public interest going forwards. For the avoidance of doubt, "nothing that requires its use" would include things like the need to renew a non-contact order because unwanted contact and/or threats have continued, either offline or online. If there is further need to remove Mozdoc from conventions then this would also be cause for re-addition of the name.

The only thing that makes me willing to suggest this is that so far I've seen no evidence that he actually has the capability to make his threats a reality. To my knowledge, he has not been charged with a violent crime. There is a lot of posturing and a lot of bitterness there, and I would like to have a way to prevent those being expressed in the future. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: i really have no opinion on this one. after all, his name is on the restraining order, and on many of the pages which are referenced. so removal would be a pointless gesture.
: it would definitely be nice to forget all of this. as i said before, i hold him no ill will. i am not capable of holding grudges. i never learned how. i will continue to document however. as it is history and others may learn from it to prevent from it being repeated.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 10:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: Speaking purely from a personal perspective, I would urge you to keep Mozdoc's real-life name in this particular page. After following many of the links provided to past and more recent behaviour, they show that Mozdoc has sent death threats to numerous different people. History has proven that such things should never be taken lightly. Having Mozdoc's real-life name on the page would be a useful time-saver for such victims if they wished to go down any legal avenues. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

: While it may be true, has it been shown that he's doing any of these recently? Frankly, the arguement that it is a time saver is null and void. In order to persue legal measures, one must feel that his threats would hold merit, meaning that they know who he is and that he has the ability to carry them out, so would be able to legitimately file a claim. Having the name here simply opens a route for harassment, be it due or undue, and is just fueling the fire. If he hasn't done anything in a while, which he hasn't, and if he continues to remain passive, I see no reason to keep the name here. Also, as you've said, if need be they can review the links if they so choose to dig deeper, as they are a matter of public record. The point remains that it is not necessary in the article. --Michichael 00:38, 12 May 2007

:: well, if you get technical, the moment he threatens another, and they have an actual fear, then by law his threats have merit. the law does not look at if they actually carried it out in that case. they look at intent. if a person is in legitimate fear, they have a right for the object of that fear to be stopped.
:: and, ummm. at the risk of sounding a bit repetitive. but he still harasses me at least twice a week minimum. he knows i can not just shut down my avenues of contact due to customer service issues. he also harasses me and my wife at conventions. and his threats remain constant against myself and others.
:: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 19:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, you still don't discount my point. This site is for information, not to play tit for tat on a feud between the parties. The real name is not NECESSARY to the merit of the article as it pertains to the fandom. A argument that it aids in legal action is irrelevant as past actions are part of public record, cited, and available on your own wiki. This really seems far too petty for a wiki. -- Michichael 14:18, 14 May 2007

:::: please do me th courtesy of not thinking i have anything against him. because i do not have anything for him other than a very unhealthy dose of pity. for some reason i can not feel anything but such for him. and please do not accuse me of using this as a place to get back at him, because there is nothing to get back for.
:::: i am constantly asked by people he threatens about him and what they can/should do. wiki is an information source and people come here for said information regarding jeremy. not for information about me. they deserve to have the same information to find out about him without the legal costs associated with it that i had to go through. because i did not go through it for myself. i did it so the community would have access to information with which to protect themselves from future instances.
:::: and, as a note: [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&action=history here] should be more than sufficient to explain his recent behavior.
:::: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::: You still have yet to discount my point. If it is legal action they require, they can get it by contacting you directly, or by viewing the cited material. The direct posting of his name isn't necessary to the article, and has already been shown to cause anxiety to Mozdoc, which comes off as baiting, which has been pointed out elsewhere in this article. This is a private issue between you and Mozdoc, and it really does seem that you have something personal against him. Granted, I'm not defending his actions. I've told him numerous times that he needs to grow up with some of his comments, and would be happy to be a moderator if you two decided to attempt a discussion online. It seems to be that Mozdoc is trying to get back at you for perceived injustices, such as what's posted on this Wiki with his name, and you are continuing to try to goad him.

::::: It is all well and good to document and keep track for legal purposes, which are cited and referenced within the article, however, the inclusion of his RL name within the article seems irrelevant and really comes off as a personal touch of arrogance and "so there" attitude. I fail to see how the rest of the community cares what his real life name is, and if they do feel threatened by him, how having it here helps, over a freely available source elsewhere, through either you or the referenced sources. It's not necessary to the article, and your link to the talk page looks to me like, cleaning up his language, a request to remove it. So obviously you hit a nerve, and are milking it for what it's worth. This is a childish dispute, and really needs to end. Both of you. I'm not going to place blame on either side. I really could care less, but since seeing it, it does come off as an attempt to goad him. Further, I understand his concern about having his real name out there. I personally don't like having my real name available to people either, specifically due to harassment reasons. - Michichael 21:03 PST 15, May 2007

::::::Mozdoc has threatened to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Mozdoc&diff=next&oldid=138555 kill Ayukawataur] at Further Confusion next year. Not only would I advise someone letting the FC staff know about these repeated threats (and Ayukawa as well), I once again reemphasize my opposition to removing his name. If he ever followed through on any of his threats, would you still support having his name excluded from the article? Because I'm not willing to take such a gamble in what seems to be a mentally less than stable person. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 17:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with Spaz Kitty that Mozdoc's real name should remain, for the reasons stated above.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: I agree that Moz is truly a "Special Child", but we shouldn't allow a doublestandard to be created, see: [[Lance Rund]]'s article, which was removed at his request, yet we still leave up articles about Moz and Sibe. If I have heard correctly, Sibe had also asked to not be listed. --Anonymous /b/ User {{unsigned|204.110.228.173}}

::::::::There is a single standard, and always has been: The consensus of WikiFur contributors. What you are seeing is that people may come to a different consensus in different situations, just like in real life.

::::::::Exclusion is a privilege, not a right. It has, however, historically been granted by default - that is, people have to give reasons why it should ''not'' be granted. This is because in most cases there are no such reasons. However, there have been several cases in which reasons were presented, and were felt by the community to be sufficient to deny the request for exclusion, and in some cases even a request to remove a real name. While it's hard to set a precise bound on these reasons, they have generally been along the lines of some kind of illegal action, the cause of controversy, and usually concern a recent or ongoing situation rather than a historical one.

::::::::People often consider there to be a [[Wikipedia:public interest|public interest]] which is served by having the article concerned up, too. For example, if an artist has been failing to do commissions, it might be considered wise to have an article about them which notes this, even if they do not want us to. It ''this'' case, the person concerned does not wish us to take note of his continued attempts to force members of the fandom to do his bidding by threats of bodily violence. I am not unappreciative of the view that there could be baiting on the other side, but as a practical matter, Mozdoc considers everyone who disagrees with him to be his enemy, and the mere fact that he has been denied access to FurBid as an aggressive act which must be remedied . . . "or else". He is not likely to be satisfied with anything but complete capitulation and removal of all contrary views, and I think the community has made it plain that this is not going to happen. No person's actions are above commentary by their peers except at the pleasure of those same peers, and it does not please us when a person keeps on threatening others with death when they've been told not to.

::::::::The situation of Lance Rund is somewhat different. He was excluded without fuss (as there was no such public interest in the material on the page about him), but ''also'' wished an item of information about himself to be removed from another article. This was the first time this had come up and there was [[Talk:Further Confusion/Eyes of the Night|extended debate]], the result of which was "it's generally OK to do that as long as it didn't matter exactly who the actor was". That is, his specific identity was tangential to the matter of fact. When you're talking about personal behaviour, that's obviously not the case - you can't just say "a popular artist" isn't doing their commissions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I forgot to post here, but I agree as well. Insomuch that I am no longer going to attempt to defend his actions. (Read his talk page...) - Michichael 01:19 PST 20, May 2007

Considering the long discussion and apparent consensus on leaving in Mozdoc's real-life name on this article, I was very surprised to see that [[User:Rat|Rat]] had removed this from the main page. This is apparently not in accord with the 'will of the fandom'. I would like to propose that this change be reverted, unless [[User:Rat|Rat]] would like to justify this undiscussed change. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 15:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:The general impression I got was that while users were willing to remove it(admittedly with a few exceptions), there wasn't anyone willing to just go ahead and do it. If I've misjudged, I won't enforce removal if it's against the will of the community. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 16:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response, [[User:Rat|Rat]]. My admittedly brief refresh on this thread suggested that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]], [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]], [[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]], and I seemed to be in strongly in favour of keeping the name, but looking back more carefully I see that [[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur]] was offering no strong opinion either way. Only Michichael seemed to be strongly against it, although his most recent post (09:19 PST 20, May 2007) seems to suggest that he might have altered that position. Hence, I still feel that there is a consensus to have the name left in the article. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]'s post seems to back up this position, I'd suggest. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 18:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== FC Removal ==

I can attest to Moz getting booted from FC2007 for taking at least one picture of something on Kacey's table. I was there when it happened. (Both the picture taking and getting booted part.)
-Ruddertail {{unsignedIP|24.83.69.143|06:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

:Yup, that information I can confirm as well. Although he was removed from the hotel completly for being in function space without a badge, as it had been pulled earlier. Not for repeted harassment. I ended up having to help him find a room elsewhere because of all this cuntwafflery. and in my hunble opinion on this matter, both sides are equally esculating the situation. Moz can't leave well enough alone, and the other side has been known to bait him for a response as well. {{unsignedIP|69.106.8.60|07:00 to 07:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)}} (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::I can't see any baiting here. All I see is one individual being completely unreasonable and unhelpful, and disregarding anything anyone else says. --[[User:IanKeith|IanKeith]] 18:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC) (from User talk:Mozdoc)

::: I don't know if baiting is the word, but there is definitely a doublestandard going on here, I observed all the assclownery that went on at FC; They were supposedly told to avoid each other, and Moz was the only one being held to that rule. {{unsignedIP|204.110.228.173|05:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)}}

== FurAffinity Documentation ==

I would like to note that I have added a screenshot of Mozdoc's "Hate Manifesto" from his FurAffinity user page. We may be deleting all of the content in his account soon, but thought it prudent and wise to document his words here. --[[User:blueroo|blueroo]]

== Army Reserve ==

The article asserts that Mozdoc was a member of the [[Wikipedia:United States Army Reserve|US Army Reserve]]. Mozdoc, on the other hand, asserts that he was "never in the fucking military". The direct source for the assertion has been removed, as has the Wayback machine's cache. However, it is still present in [http://72.14.209.104/search?num=30&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Blh&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.furry.org.au%2Ftaurboard%2Fmessages%2F430.html&btnG=Search Google's cache] as of this date.

While I do not particularly appreciate being lied to, I think it '''is''' fair to ask what grounds we have for keeping this seven-year-old piece of information in the article. It is not a crime to be a member of the reservists, and it seems like it is a legitimate item of personal information without particular relevance to his actions within the fandom that would require a specific reason not to be removed on request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: i have no problems with it being removed. i did not place it there, only corrected it.
: the fact of it being a consideration during the issuance of the tro is probably trivial as well.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 07:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

: While the post describing him joining the reserves itself is no longer online, [http://www.furry.org.au/taurboard/messages/468.html a followup is], describing his getting processed in. I think that the big question is how do we handle a situation where someone is actively trying to destroy evidence of past events? [[User:66.74.145.183|66.74.145.183]] 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Why's it of any concern to you whether he erases his past or not? I'd say just shut the fuck up and let him handle his own problems and keep your own nose out of all of this entirely. Everybody needs to just shut up and perhaps listen to Mozdoc for once. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:203.81.29.204|203.81.29.204]] ([[User talk:203.81.29.204|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.81.29.204|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:The above message was posted through a proxy. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Multifurry ==

Mozdoc was banned from the [[Multifurry]] mailing list after being warned by [[STrRedWolf]], the list holder, not to dredge up any private converation and not to contact [[STrRedWolf]] again.

Okay, enough third-person talk. Yes, I banned him from the Yahoo! Groups Multifurry list. He was warned once to don't dredge things up in the list. He continued to do so. He says he's changed, but he's said that before to me over IM. But he won't listen. It's sad, an intresting character but a terrible player. [[User:STrRedWolf|STrRedWolf]] 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:While Mozdoc may claim to have changed if he has he is still doing a remarkably good impressions of a creepy stalker type by trying to pester other people about their contact with [[STrRedWolf]], presumably to try and get them to relay stuff for him (I can't say for certain as I ignored his attempt to contact me). its things like this that make me wish for a Cluebat Over IP protocol {sighs}. [[User:Kirishala|Kirishala]]

== Problems with referencing ==

* Some things are cited to spindizzynews.org which has been admitted to be tounge-in-cheek style.[http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMozdoc&diff=135692&oldid=135690] My understanding is that spindizzy.org is okay as a reference, but spindizzynews.org is not.
* One reference is cited to http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:GreenReaper#Mozdoc but the link doesn't go anywhere. Putting aside whether we should use WikiFur itself as a reference, the link should be to a specific diff.
* Not a good reference "It is generally believed that these allegations are true." By who?
--[[User:Rat|Rat]] 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:*Agree, though it might be worth keeping it around as an example of the reaction.
:*We should use WikiFur as a reference for actions taken on WikiFur.
:*By me, if you want a specific example. By others, too. Can it be proved? Not officially without AAE saying so, and they've said explicitly that they won't. Is it, in all likelihood, true? Yes. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::*Tried to clarify the source of the information between the two articles. Based on further looking, I don't think there's a difference between the ''domains'' spindizzy.org and spindizzynews.org, just that specific articles may or may not be written in a humourous style.
::*Agree, WikiFur can be a source for things that happen on WikiFur. I found the specific diff that seems to be the source. I'm not sure whether it's a particularly good source, since the account has no other edits.
::*True, proof is difficult and can be a lot to expect. Even a link to a blog or forum post could be enough to let readers evaluate the sources on their own.
::I made some edits based on these points. If there are any mistakes I am happy to correct them. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 07:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

::I have some comments on the [http://www.spindizzynews.org/newspaper101.htm SpinDizzy News] article cited here. I am the server wizard for SpinDizzy, and held the same post back in 2000 when the events mentioned took place (not hard to check if you want to). I'm not sure if I may use my own knowledge as a reference for Wikifur, but here is my analysis of the factual accuracy of the SpinDizzy News article.
::*The majorty of the statements of fact (as opposed to opinions) in the article are accurate. I did, indeed receive numerous emails from Mozdoc of the form indicated in the first paragraph, over a long period of time following his first and subsequent bans.
::*The second and third paragraphs about his hacking attempt on Argon's account, and his defence, is factually accurate. I was the wizard who searched through the connection logs at the time, and was present when he was confronted with the results.
::*The fourth paragraph is accurate (to the best of my recollection wrt the connection count). Once we noticed the 'Myana' character using an IP address known to have been used by Mozdoc, it quickly became obvious it was being used by the same person, since when the character was blocked and ask to contact a wizard, there resulted another email from Mozdoc full of expletives demanding to know how we knew it was his alt.
::*The list of mucks from which Mozdoc had been banned was purely for comic effect, obviously.
::*The sixth paragraph is factually accurate about the onslaught of e-mails. The rest of the article is a mix of fact and opinion that probably doesn't have any relevence to the Mozdoc page on Wikifur.
::In summary, it would be safe from an accuracy point of view to use the facts detailed above. Whether their use would also be in accord with Wikifur's policies for verifiability, I do not know. Fortunately, there are people in this thread much more well versed in that than I! I hope that this has helped clear up the confusion over the accuracy and satirical content of the SpinDizzy News article. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 19:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit to the main page, Rat. I've edited it to remove some redundancy, and removed some ambiguities that were in there. I think it flows better now, but please feel free to change it further if you wish. --[[User:Findra|Findra]] 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== analysis of mozdoc at fc'08 ==

obviously i am putting this here because i do not wish to edit the main page. i feel that anything i say there will be biased in one form or another.
: i had the honour of working with mozdoc during fc'08. though i can not speak officially for aae, i can give you my personal opinion.
: this year, he was not only an excellent gofer, but he was quite well restrained. he did what he could to avoid me, but since he was technically working under me for a while, there was no way he could. even then, until i approached him, he maintained as much distance as he could while still completing his job.
: when i approached him, he did seem uncomfortable, and requested the same things he always does, but he was mostly polite about it. almost as if he was unsure of if it was okay to ask.
: he did spend some time browsing kaceys table. he did not purchase any thing, and when she asked him if she could help him, he only replied a soft and sheepish 'no' and moved on.
: i would like to stress, i am not ready to give him an open book and start over, but i am willing to admit he was an excellent worker who was able to quite methodically reorganize the constore materials so that constore staff could better do their job, he makes an excellent (how ever abrasive) door guard, and i am told by friends who work in the art show that he did an excellent job there as well.
: i do not know if my attempt to breech the gap this year will help or hurt yet. though i would like it to be added to his page that he did behave himself quite well. it is only fair that we try to remain objective and point out that he is capable of behaving himself.
: --[[User:Ayukawataur|Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur]] 22:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

This is getting annoying. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 08:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:A non-admin on IRC gave him the impression that he could edit this page to his liking without knowing the background of the case. He should have known better but I'm responsible for not seeing that there was a problem and joining the conversation earlier. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Exclusion redux ==

Its about fucking time you people started to get annoyed about this. You know what could make it all better and make it all go away? HOW ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING THE FUCKING FACT THAT I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF YOUR LITTLE INBRED ASSININE EXCUSE OF A FUCKING COMMUNITY ANYMORE AND ASK THAT I BE GIVEN TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WIKIFUR. I WANT MY ARTICLE REMOVED, EVERY SINGLE MENTION OF MY NAME GONE, AND I WANT TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE AFTER ALL THAT IS DONE.

How much more simple is it to understand? The reason that I continue to be pissed the fuck off at you little pinheaded little shit for brains administrators is that you just blatently refuse to see things my way and that the way I want things to happen will make life a whole lot easier for the rest of you if you just do as I ask and get it over and done with.

I have no fucking idea how my damn name ended up here in this hellish pile of shit called WikiFur, but I will see to it that it will be removed. It shouldn't take every single mother fucking one of you to agree that my article should be removed because it sure as fuck didn't take every single one of you to get my name on here. I demand EXCLUSION.

--Mozdoc

HELLLLLLOOOOOOO? I'm waiting for someone to get here and fucking talk to me since this place has been brought up again and its pissing me off all over again. Someone answer me and get my fucking name removed from here.

--Mozdoc

You know, there should be a hundred mother fuckers out there that have decided to watch this page for whatever fucking reason. Why am I not getting any responses at all from anybody? This is complete utter bullshit. Someone better fucking answer so that I can get my name off this "community".

--Mozdoc

Where are all the fucking people? God damn it already, someone fucking answer me and get my god damn name off of this piece of shit website already. I DO NOT want to be documented on any level at all and you will respect this wish to have me be excluded PERMANENTLY.

--Mozdoc

:Admins aren't on the place 24/7. And you'll get further in life if you learn how to say 'please' and 'thank you'. You've trolled me enough that I'm certainly not going to support any of your calls for exclusion, so you can take this up with someone else now and stop badgering me for the exclusion that I'm not going to grant you myself. Talk to GreenReaper, and try to not go the loud and rude route, and maybe you'll get some actual progress as a result. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 05:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::He came to me first. The above is the result of what happened when I asked him to explain here why he should now be excluded. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::Just for the record, "I should be excluded because I want to be", in such extreme cases as this, is not an adequate reason for such. Especially with the way this user has handled it. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 06:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually S.K., it seems that far too often in this day and age, being nice gets you nowhere. :( That's not to say that it shouldn't be tried, just after the first - or second - time(max) of being polite about it, one should be ready to drop the hammer.

a lot of people only seem to get the point when you slam them into the wall a few times. Being polite about it only gets a rousing "f*** you!" as a response. where the h*** did this country go wrong???

[[User:AnthroSamurai|AnthroSamurai]] 06:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

When will you people fucking realize that your pathetic piece of shit bans don't do a fucking thing beside piss me off worse than I already was before? You sound like you're the assholes that need to grow the fuck up. I DEMAND RESULTS, I DO NOT WANT TO BE FUCKING BANNED.

--Mozdoc

:Gosh, I just can't imagine how ''anybody'' could ''possibly'' fail to fall all over themselves obeying a capslock-and-profanity-ridden demand -- sorry, "heeding a polite request" -- from such a well-spoken, courteous, level-headed, personable, and all-around respected individual such as Mozdoc! What's that saying -- "insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results"? Sheesh...[[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 12:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Mozdoc's love notes via IM ==

I logged into IM tonight and found that Mozdoc had sent offline messages to me on ''two'' different IM services. I am documenting them here.

First, via Yahoo IM:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozcentaur 
8:48:24 PM 
YOU LITTLE PIECE OF MOTHER FUCKING SHIT! 
8:48:35 PM 
ANSWER ME YOU WORTHLESS FAG OF A MOTHER FUCKER. 
8:48:47 PM 
I'M FUCKING TALKING TO YOU YOU DICKHEADED MOTHER FUCKING CUNT. 

mozcentaur 
9:28:38 PM 
Answer me. 
9:31:31 PM</div>

Charming. And via MSN about an hour later, while I was still offline:

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">mozdoc@yahoo.com
10:22:00 PM
ANSWER ME.</div>

I had to slightly massage the formatting on these, because my client (Adium) saves logs in HTML format. If anyone wants the raw logs, I have them up at http://rapidshare.com/files/115226319/mozdoclogs.zip.html

--[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 02:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

After several rounds of blocking Mozdoc and having him bother me under different screen names, I was finally treated to this. And yes, he really did type in all caps.

<div style="background-color: #eeffee; color: black; padding: 10px; margin: 10px;">moz40 
I DO NOT GO THE FUCK AWAY YOU PIECE OF SHIT. 
12:36:46 AM 
ANSWER ME NOW. 
12:37:12 AM 
YOU FUCKING BANNED ME FROM WIKIFUR FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK YOU SACK OF SHIT. WITHOUT ANY REASON. I WANT MY GOD DAMN ARTICLE ON THAT FUCKING WEBSITE TO GO THE FUCK AWAY. UNDERSTAND? 
12:37:24 AM 
I WANT TOTAL AND COMPLETE EXCLUSION FROM THAT FUCKING WIKIFUR SITE IMMEDIATELY. 
12:37:43 AM 
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE SHIT AND TRY AND HIDE FROM ME BECAUSE I WILL FUCKING FIND YOU. 
12:38:23 AM 
ONE FUCKING COMMENT BITCHING ABOUT HOW YOU'VE BEEN TREATING THIS ISSUE I'M HAVING AND I GET BANNED FOR A WEEK? YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT BANNING ME FOR A MOTHER FUCKING WEEK IS GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS OR MAKE ME ANY MORE CALMER THAN WHAT I AM NOW? 
12:38:43 AM 
YOU AND YOUR MOTHERFUCKING BANS JUST PISS ME OFF MORE TO WHERE I WANT TO TAKE A FUCKING SHOTGUN TO YOUR HEAD YOU IGNORANT LITTLE PRICKS. 
</div>

Hmm... comments about how he's going to find me, and taking "a fucking shotgun" to my head... I'd say that's a death threat, or pretty close to one. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 04:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:: He's been stalking the Fur Affinity staff and admins for the past week, going to anybody and everybody related to the site after he was perma-banned, making the same kind of threats. He used over a dozen IM clients to message and my admins, refusing to accept "no" as an answer and becoming increasingly hostile. --[[User:Preyfar|Preyfar]] 10:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: '''See thread:''' http://forums.furaffinity.net/showthread.php?t=19666

'''DAMNIT MOZDOC, COOL YOUR JETS!!!!! '''
The only thing your tactics will accomplish in this is EXACTLY what I outlined! Now calm the hell dowm before '''I''' get pissed! (And trust me, you are NOTHING compared to what I'M like when I get pissed!)

[[User:AnthroSamurai|All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER!]] 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

TSA-Bash

2008-05-04T10:29:54Z

Cubist: /* 2005 */ Cleaned up the wikilink. Razza-frazzin' disambiguation...

The '''TSA-Bash''' ("Bash" for short) is an annual get-together, the expressed purpose of which is "goofing off", for members of the TSA-Talk mailing list. Strictly speaking, it is intended specifically for persons interested in physical [[transformation]]s; but given the notably high percentage of transformation-fen who are also interested in [[furry]], in practice the Bash is also a gathering of furs.

Unlike [[furry con]]s, the Bash doesn't have a "conference" type quality to it. Instead, the attendees just sit around and chat, play games, go out to eat, and sometimes model [[fursuits]]. While there is a chaotic quality, the Bash does have a couple of structured events, such as a group photo or outings to the city that they're close to.

== History ==
===1998===
[[Phil Geusz]] thought it might be "neat" to have a couple of people from the [[Transformation Story Archive]] mailing list to get-together at his house for some fun and goofing off. Instead of a couple, he got 19 people. It was promised that the get-together would happen again next year.

===1999===
Since the 1998 get-together was such a success, more people showed up at Phil's house, this time attracting over 50 people. It became apparent, especially after his yard was full of tents and there was people sleeping on the floor everywhere in his house, that the get-together would have to be moved to a hotel. This began the tradition of the nomadic nature of the Bash. There were several reasons for the move to a hotel:
*The number of people in the house caused a monumental trash pile and broke the air conditioning unit, requiring the use of many fans.
*It took Phil over an hour and a half to get from one of the house to the other for an urgent matter.
*Phil's house is only starting to recover, even in 2007.

===2000===
The get-together became known as the "Bash" at this point and moved to Elgin, Illinois, where 37 people showed up.

===2001===
The Bash is held in Hazelwood, Missouri. Attendee count: 28

===2002===
The Bash is held in Sea-Tac, Washington. Attendee count: 32

===2003===
The Bash is held in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Attendee count: 25

===2004===
The Bash is held in Austin, Texas. Attendee count: 17

===2005===
The Bash is held in Sunnyvale, California. Attendee count: 15. This Bash is significant, furry-wise, in that it's where Quentin Long decided to start up the netzine '''[[Anthro (magazine)|Anthro]]'' as a result of conversations with Phil Geusz.

===2006===
The Bash is held in Florence, Kentucky. Attendee count: 22

===2007===
The Bash is held in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. Attendee count: 27

===2008===
In 2008, the Bash is going to be held in Oakland, CA, in the vicinity of the 2005 Bash.

== Mailing List ==
The discussions for the TSA-Bash can be had on the [[http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/tsabash TSA-Bash mailing list].

==External links==
*[http://lapinia.org/~tsabash/ TSA-Bash website] - A showcase for [[picture]]s and [[stories]], and a detailed info page maintained by [[User:Sheep|Sheep]]

[[Category:Events]][[Category:1998 births]]

TSA-Bash

2008-05-04T10:25:25Z

Cubist: Shoulda proofread *before* hitting "save page"... sigh...

The '''TSA-Bash''' ("Bash" for short) is an annual get-together, the expressed purpose of which is "goofing off", for members of the TSA-Talk mailing list. Strictly speaking, it is intended specifically for persons interested in physical [[transformation]]s; but given the notably high percentage of transformation-fen who are also interested in [[furry]], in practice the Bash is also a gathering of furs.

Unlike [[furry con]]s, the Bash doesn't have a "conference" type quality to it. Instead, the attendees just sit around and chat, play games, go out to eat, and sometimes model [[fursuits]]. While there is a chaotic quality, the Bash does have a couple of structured events, such as a group photo or outings to the city that they're close to.

== History ==
===1998===
[[Phil Geusz]] thought it might be "neat" to have a couple of people from the [[Transformation Story Archive]] mailing list to get-together at his house for some fun and goofing off. Instead of a couple, he got 19 people. It was promised that the get-together would happen again next year.

===1999===
Since the 1998 get-together was such a success, more people showed up at Phil's house, this time attracting over 50 people. It became apparent, especially after his yard was full of tents and there was people sleeping on the floor everywhere in his house, that the get-together would have to be moved to a hotel. This began the tradition of the nomadic nature of the Bash. There were several reasons for the move to a hotel:
*The number of people in the house caused a monumental trash pile and broke the air conditioning unit, requiring the use of many fans.
*It took Phil over an hour and a half to get from one of the house to the other for an urgent matter.
*Phil's house is only starting to recover, even in 2007.

===2000===
The get-together became known as the "Bash" at this point and moved to Elgin, Illinois, where 37 people showed up.

===2001===
The Bash is held in Hazelwood, Missouri. Attendee count: 28

===2002===
The Bash is held in Sea-Tac, Washington. Attendee count: 32

===2003===
The Bash is held in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Attendee count: 25

===2004===
The Bash is held in Austin, Texas. Attendee count: 17

===2005===
The Bash is held in Sunnyvale, California. Attendee count: 15. This Bash is significant, furry-wise, in that it's where Quentin Long decided to start up the netzine [[Anthro]] as a result of conversations with Phil Geusz.

===2006===
The Bash is held in Florence, Kentucky. Attendee count: 22

===2007===
The Bash is held in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. Attendee count: 27

===2008===
In 2008, the Bash is going to be held in Oakland, CA, in the vicinity of the 2005 Bash.

== Mailing List ==
The discussions for the TSA-Bash can be had on the [[http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/tsabash TSA-Bash mailing list].

==External links==
*[http://lapinia.org/~tsabash/ TSA-Bash website] - A showcase for [[picture]]s and [[stories]], and a detailed info page maintained by [[User:Sheep|Sheep]]

[[Category:Events]][[Category:1998 births]]

TSA-Bash

2008-05-04T10:22:26Z

Cubist: Clarification and an interesting detail

The '''TSA-Bash''' is an annual get-together, the expressed purpose of which is "goofing off", for members of the TSA-Talk mailing list. Styrictly speaking, it is intended specifically for persons interested in physical [[transformation]]s; but given the notably high percentage of transformation-fen who are also interested in [[furry]], in practice the Bash is also a gathering of furs.

Unlike [[furry con]]s, the "Bash" (as it's known for short) doesn't have a "conference" type quality to it. Instead, the attendees just sit around and chat, play games, go out to eat, and sometimes model [[fursuits]]. While there is a chaotic quality, the Bash does have a couple of structured events, such as a group photo or outings to the city that they're close to.

== History ==
===1998===
[[Phil Geusz]] thought it might be "neat" to have a couple of people from the [[Transformation Story Archive]] mailing list to get-together at his house for some fun and goofing off. Instead of a couple, he got 19 people. It was promised that the get-together would happen again next year.

===1999===
Since the 1998 get-together was such a success, more people showed up at Phil's house, this time attracting over 50 people. It became apparent, especially after his yard was full of tents and there was people sleeping on the floor everywhere in his house, that the get-together would have to be moved to a hotel. This began the tradition of the nomadic nature of the Bash. There were several reasons for the move to a hotel:
*The number of people in the house caused a monumental trash pile and broke the air conditioning unit, requiring the use of many fans.
*It took Phil over an hour and a half to get from one of the house to the other for an urgent matter.
*Phil's house is only starting to recover, even in 2007.

===2000===
The get-together became known as the "Bash" at this point and moved to Elgin, Illinois, where 37 people showed up.

===2001===
The Bash is held in Hazelwood, Missouri. Attendee count: 28

===2002===
The Bash is held in Sea-Tac, Washington. Attendee count: 32

===2003===
The Bash is held in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Attendee count: 25

===2004===
The Bash is held in Austin, Texas. Attendee count: 17

===2005===
The Bash is held in Sunnyvale, California. Attendee count: 15. This Bash is significant, furry-wise, in that it's where Quentin Long decided to start up the netzine [[Anthro]] as a result of conversations with Phil Geusz.

===2006===
The Bash is held in Florence, Kentucky. Attendee count: 22

===2007===
The Bash is held in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. Attendee count: 27

===2008===
In 2008, the Bash is going to be held in Oakland, CA, in the vicinity of the 2005 Bash.

== Mailing List ==
The discussions for the TSA-Bash can be had on the [[http://lists.integral.org/listinfo/tsabash TSA-Bash mailing list].

==External links==
*[http://lapinia.org/~tsabash/ TSA-Bash website] - A showcase for [[picture]]s and [[stories]], and a detailed info page maintained by [[User:Sheep|Sheep]]

[[Category:Events]][[Category:1998 births]]

Anthro (magazine)

2007-12-10T05:35:17Z

Cubist:

Anthro (magazine)

2007-11-23T00:17:53Z

Cubist: /* Comics */ Added the latest comic strip

TSAT

2007-11-23T00:03:04Z

Cubist: Tweaked the opening paragraph

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' (#1, Dec. '98/Jan. '99, to #48, Oct./Nov. 2006) was a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name was an acronym standing for "'''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk." '''''TSAT''''' was of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that during its lifetime, ''TSAT'' appeared eight times on the [[Recommended Anthropomorphic Reading List]] and was nominated for two [[Ursa Major Awards]].

==History==

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and that pair of editors, like Mr. Mahr himself, produced new issues every two months without fail.

The zine's popularity may perhaps be gauged by the fact that there was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google search for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results. Even now (30 Mar 2007), several months after new issues stopped appearing, the zine is #7 on Google's 'hit parade'. Item #1 is about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.7-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system, and items #2-6 also involve the military TSAT system.

==''TSAT's'' end==

''TSAT's'' final issue was #48 (October/November 2006); editor Long killed the zine because it simply wasn't fun for him any more. For one thing, ''TSAT's'' readers almost never provided any feedback. During Long's five years at the editorial helm, it was a rare month indeed during which he received even so much as one email of comment. Secondly, the nigh-absolute lack of feedback from readers was always matched by a corresponding nigh-absolute lack of new submissions from authors. Since ''TSAT'' had never yielded anything resembling ''tangible'' rewards, the decay (and, eventually, disappearance) of ''in''tangible rewards sealed its fate. <ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2302 The last issue of TSAT]'' - post on [[flayrah.com]] by Quentin 'Cubist' Long, 6 October 2006</ref>. As of its final issue, ''TSAT'' was responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]][[Category:1998 births]][[Category:2006 deaths]]

ANTHROlogy

2007-07-25T23:44:16Z

Cubist: Minor cleanup

'''ANTHROlogy''' is the name given to the ink-on-paper (offline) edition of [[Anthro (magazine)|''Anthro'' magazine]], published by editor [[Quentin Long]].

== ANTHROlogy One ==
[[Image:ANTHROlogyOne.jpg|right|thumb|200px|ANTHROlogy One]]
[http://www.lulu.com/content/536807 ANTHROlogy One] was published in on Lulu.com in November 2006, and contains almost all of the material from the first six issues of ''ANTHRO''. The book is 602 black and white pages, 6" x 9", perfect-bound, with a cover by [[Lucius Appaloosius]].
{|
| valign="top" |
=== Artists ===

*[[Holly Ann]]
*Lucius Appaloosius
*[[Bonnie Callahan]]
*Quentin Long (as Cubist)
*[[Cayenne Doubletree]]
*[[G. Howell]]
*[[Nicole Riley]]
|
=== Authors ===
{|
|
*[[Michæl W. Bard]]
*[[Michæl Brenner]]
*[[Corvus]]
*[[Phil Geusz]]
*[[Jarrod Henry]]
*G. Howell
*[[Saia Keferr]]
*[[Allen Kitchen]]
*Quentin Long
*[[Charles Matthias]]
|
*[[Oren Otter]]
*[[Fred Patten]]
*[[Slyford T. Rabbit]]
*[[John B. Rosenman]]
*[[Kris Schnee]]
*[[ShadowWolf]]
*[[Chaka Wolf]]
*[[Equestrian Horse Wrangler]]
*[[Wanderer Werewolf]]
*[[Tom Zimmerman]]
|}
|}

== External links ==
* [http://www.anthrozine.com/site/anthrology.html ANTHROlogy home page]

[[Category:Anthologies]]

Anthro (magazine)

2007-06-01T13:00:01Z

Cubist: Updated a URL

Anthro (magazine)

2007-05-29T08:55:01Z

Cubist: The latest ANTHRO-y news

TSAT

2007-03-30T08:56:26Z

Cubist:

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' (#1, Dec. '98/Jan. '99, to #48, Oct./Nov. 2006) was a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name was an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' was of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

==History==

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and that pair of editors, like Mr. Mahr himself, produced new issues every two months without fail.

The zine's popularity may perhaps be gauged by the fact that there was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google search for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results. Even now (30 Mar 2007), several months after new issues stopped appearing, the zine is #7 on Google's 'hit parade'. Item #1 is about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.7-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system, and items #2-6 also involve the military TSAT system.

==''TSAT's'' end==

''TSAT's'' final issue was #48 (October/November 2006); editor Long killed the zine because it simply wasn't fun for him any more. For one thing, ''TSAT's'' readers almost never provided any feedback. During Long's five years at the editorial helm, it was a rare month indeed during which he received even so much as one email of comment. Secondly, the nigh-absolute lack of feedback from readers was always matched by a corresponding nigh-absolute lack of new submissions from authors. Since ''TSAT'' had never yielded anything resembling ''tangible'' rewards, the decay (and, eventually, disappearance) of ''in''tangible rewards sealed its fate. <ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2302 The last issue of TSAT]'' - post on [[flayrah.com]] by Quentin 'Cubist' Long, 6 October 2006</ref>. As of its final issue, ''TSAT'' was responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]][[Category:1998 births]][[Category:2006 deaths]]

TSAT

2007-03-30T08:52:49Z

Cubist: Minor tweakage

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' (#1, Dec. '98/Jan. '99, to #48, Oct./Nov. 2006) was a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name was an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' was of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

==History==

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, produced new issues every two months without fail.

The zine's popularity may perhaps be gauged by the fact that there was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google search for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results. Even now (30 Mar 2007), several months after new issues stopped appearing, the zine is #7 on Google's 'hit parade'. Item #1 is about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.7-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system, and items #2-6 also involve the military TSAT system.

==''TSAT's'' end==

''TSAT's'' final issue was #48 (October/November 2006); editor Long killed the zine because it simply wasn't fun for him any more. For one thing, ''TSAT's'' readers almost never provided any feedback. During Long's five years at the editorial helm, it was a rare month indeed during which he received even so much as one email of comment. Secondly, the nigh-absolute lack of feedback from readers was always matched by a corresponding nigh-absolute lack of new submissions from authors. Since ''TSAT'' had never yielded anything resembling ''tangible'' rewards, the decay (and, eventually, disappearance) of ''in''tangible rewards sealed its fate. <ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2302 The last issue of TSAT]'' - post on [[flayrah.com]] by Quentin 'Cubist' Long, 6 October 2006</ref>. As of its final issue, ''TSAT'' was responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]][[Category:1998 births]][[Category:2006 deaths]]

Talk:Anthro (magazine)

2007-03-30T08:43:23Z

Cubist: New page: I have linked to the lulu.com site where I'm selling ''ANTHROlogy ONE.'' I'm unsure if this blatant example of commercialism is acceptible, but (a) the Wiki philosophy ''does'' say "Be Bol...

I have linked to the lulu.com site where I'm selling ''ANTHROlogy ONE.'' I'm unsure if this blatant example of commercialism is acceptible, but (a) the Wiki philosophy ''does'' say "Be Bold!", and (b) if that link is ''not'' acceptible, it will go away Real Soon Now, right? [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 08:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Anthro (magazine)

2007-03-30T08:39:47Z

Cubist: Minor oopsie here...

Anthro (magazine)

2007-03-30T08:39:34Z

Cubist: Spiffing up the data about ANTHROlogy ONE.

Anthro (magazine)

2007-01-24T13:24:57Z

Cubist:

Anthro (magazine)

2007-01-24T13:20:44Z

Cubist:

TSAT

2006-12-23T12:38:48Z

Cubist: /* TSAT's end */

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' was a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name was an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' was of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

==History==

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, produced new issues every two months without fail.

==''TSAT's'' end==

''TSAT's'' final issue was #48 (October/November 2006); editor Long killed the zine because it simply wasn't fun for him any more. For one thing, ''TSAT's'' readers almost never provided any feedback. During Long's five years at the editorial helm, it was a rare month indeed during which he received even so much as one email of comment. Secondly, the nigh-absolute lack of feedback from readers was always matched by a corresponding nigh-absolute lack of new submissions from authors. Since ''TSAT'' had never yielded anything resembling ''tangible'' rewards, the decay (and, eventually, disappearance) of ''in''tangible rewards sealed its fate. <ref>''[http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2302 The last issue of TSAT]'' - post on [[flayrah.com]] by Quentin 'Cubist' Long, 6 October 2006</ref>. As of its final issue, ''TSAT'' was responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month.

There was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google search for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results; the zine is currently (23 Dec 2006) #7 on Google's 'hit parade', the present #1 item being about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.7-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system.

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]][[Category:1998 births]][[Category:2006 deaths]]

Anthro (magazine)

2006-11-15T09:38:50Z

Cubist: Updating the entry -- things have changed, dude...

Talk:Furry McCarthyism

2006-09-04T11:14:02Z

Cubist:

No personal knowledge of such term, and no Usenet, Ljseek' or Google hits except Wikifur. once used by the (no fan of furry) gentleman that brought us "Furluminati" on Wikipedia's "furry" talk page, and five times mention on [[CYD]]. Last user of the word suggested it as a form of "Furry Censorship" against those with views not favorable to the fandom. I would suggest SpD for inaccuracy, or rewrite to conform to the real meaning [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, another gent who's [http://liejournaler.livejournal.com/21432.html not fond of furry], using the term to also imply "Furry Censorship,"... (Thanks to Brian for pointing to the article =] ) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I recommend nuking this page. If the only people who use it despise furries, ''and'' the only example of "furry McCarthyism" they can find is the shitstorm which a world-class jackass like Sibe brought down upon himself after extensive and diligent efforts to piss people off... [[User:Cubist|Cubist]] 11:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Lapism

2006-09-04T11:06:20Z

Cubist: /* Bibilography */ Providing ANTHRO .link data for BEGINNING

'''Lapism''' is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a religion followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] rabbits.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by Dr. Thomas Aaron, a master "gengineer" (genetic engineer) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and Practices==
Lapists study the Book of Peace as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity] Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the Change. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's DNA with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large feet, mobile ears, and tail -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbitty appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion (hugging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' -"Full Immersion"

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church also possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous patents.

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as Confucianism, that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's New Testament. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with Islam and the Quaker sect, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with Protestant Christians, and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with Mormonism. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml] As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker "Testimony of Peace" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with Transhumanism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism harkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects prostelyzation, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In Context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The Unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

* "[http://anthrozine.com/stry/drama.class.html Drama Class]": Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence. (published in [http://anthrozine.com Anthro] [http://anthrozine.com/a.01/index.01.html #1])
* "Intermission": Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots."
* "[http://tsat.transform.to/stories/schism.html Schism]": The young movement faces a severe crisis after its founder's death. (published in [http://tsat.transform.com TSAT] [http://tsat.transform.to/i.39/index.39.html #39])
* "[http://anthrozine.com/stry/full.immersion.html Full Immersion]": A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger, at a family-owned cave. (published in [http://anthrozine.com Anthro] [http://anthrozine.com/a.04/index.04.html #4])
* "[http://anthrozine.com/stry/in.the.beginning.html In the Beginning]": An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction. (published in [http://anthrozine.com Anthro] [http://anthrozine.com/a.07/index.07.html #7])

The chronological sequence seems to be "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager) and "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.
[[Category:Spirituality]]

TSAT

2006-06-18T02:48:31Z

Cubist:

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' is a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name is an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' is of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' has made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, have produced new issues every two months without fail.

Currently, ''TSAT'' is responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month. There was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google search for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results; the zine is currently (17 June 2006) #2 on Google's 'hit parade', the present #1 item being about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.7-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system.

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]]

TSAT

2006-06-18T02:47:11Z

Cubist: Correcting the "#1 in Google" assertion, which is no longer true, alas

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' is a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name is an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' is of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' has made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, have produced new issues every two months without fail.

Currently, ''TSAT'' is responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month. There was a period of several unbroken months during which any Google for 'tsat' would, in fact, yield ''TSAT'' as the #1 item in the list of results; the zine is currently (17 June 2006) #2 on Google's 'hit parade', the present #1 item being about the Lockheed-Martin company getting a $41.4-megabuck contract related to the so-called Transformation Communications Satellite (TSAT) system.

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]]

Lapism

2006-05-13T07:04:38Z

Cubist: /* Bibilography */ Added links to Where Some Of Them Are on the net

Lapism is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a religion followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] rabbits.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by Dr. Thomas Aaron, a master "gengineer" (genetic engineer) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and Practices==
Lapists study the Book of Peace as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity] Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the Change. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's DNA with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large feet, mobile ears, and tail -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbitty appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion (hugging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' -"Full Immersion"

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church also possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous patents.

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as Confucianism, that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's New Testament. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with Islam and the Quaker sect, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with Protestant Christians, and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with Mormonism. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml] As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker "Testimony of Peace" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with Transhumanism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism harkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects prostelyzation, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In Context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The Unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

-"[http://anthrozine.com/stry/drama.class.html Drama Class]": Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence. (published in [http://anthrozine.com Anthro] [http://anthrozine.com/a.01/index.01.html #1])

-"Intermission": Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots."

-"[http://tsat.transform.to/stories/schism.html Schism]": The young movement faces crisis after its founder's death. (published in [http://tsat.transform.com TSAT] [http://tsat.transform.to/i.39/index.39.html #39])

-"[http://anthrozine.com/stry/full.immersion.html Full Immersion]": A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger at a family-owned cave. (published in [http://anthrozine.com Anthro] [http://anthrozine.com/a.04/index.04.html #4])

-"In the Beginning": An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction.

The chronological sequence seems to be "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager) and "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

Lapism

2006-04-27T13:43:43Z

Cubist: /* Beliefs and Practices */

Lapism is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a religion followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] rabbits.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by Dr. Thomas Aaron, a master "gengineer" (genetic engineer) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and Practices==
Lapists study the Book of Peace as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists take new names to go with their new bodies. All of these new names adhere to the general pattern "[Specific plant] [Performer of specific activity] Rabbit". The tradition began with Aaron, who rechristened himself "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Other Lapist names include "Bluegrass Spelunker Rabbit", "Popcorn Scribbler Rabbit" and so on.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the Change. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's DNA with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large feet, mobile ears, and tail -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbitty appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion (hugging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' -"Full Immersion"

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church also possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous patents.

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as Confucianism, that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's New Testament. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with Islam and the Quaker sect, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with Protestant Christians, and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with Mormonism. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml] As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker "Testimony of Peace" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with Transhumanism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism harkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects prostelyzation, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In Context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The Unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

-"Drama Class": Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence.

-"Intermission": Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots."

-"Schism": The young movement faces crisis after its founder's death.

-"Full Immersion": A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger at a family-owned cave.

-"In the Beginning": An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction.

The chronological sequence seems to be "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager) and "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

Lapism

2006-04-27T13:36:23Z

Cubist: /* Bibilography */

Lapism is a belief system created in the stories of [[Phil Geusz]]. It is described as a religion followed by a small but growing number of people on twenty-first century Earth. The most obvious feature of Lapists is that many of them have undergone a physical [[transformation]] through [[genetic engineering]] to resemble [[anthropomorphic]] rabbits.

==Origins==
Within the context of the stories, Lapism was founded in the twenty-first century by Dr. Thomas Aaron, a master "gengineer" (genetic engineer) who underwent radical alteration to become an anthropomorphic rabbit. He had multiple motives: to regenerate his ailing body, to use a masterpiece body design that would otherwise have been wasted, and to help himself become a better person through emulating rabbits' reputation for peace and kindness. He found that the transformation had a profound effect on him, and ultimately published a document known as the Book of Peace describing his moral insights.

Aaron changed his name to "Sweetgrass" and soon attracted several dozen "converts" to a rabbit form. The United States outlawed animal-based gengineering, but after a prolonged legal battle, the Supreme Court granted an exception for Lapists as a "legitimate religion" with a legally protected rite.

The movement continued to grow, becoming a small but prominent group through the end of the current stories' timeline.

==Beliefs and Practices==
Lapists study the Book of Peace as a scripture, and hold regular Discussion Times, typically on Sundays and Wednesdays. These events are nominally for Book study, but in reality believers use them to share social interaction and discuss personal and community issues.

Lapists typically change their names to plant-themed ones. The tradition began with Aaron's renaming as "Sweetgrass Bloomsniffer Rabbit," a name chosen spontaneously by a little girl. Later converts chose names reflecting personal or career traits such as "Factbringer" for a reporter. The last name "Rabbit" is shared by all converts.

Lapists are portrayed as being anthropomorphic rabbits, because of their main ritual: an elaborate physical transformation called the Change. Early Lapist characters joined the movement as adults, but as new generations were born, the children were changed at a young age. Far from merely cosmetic, the standard transformation process alters a person's DNA with rabbit-based genes. Because of the altered body -- large feet, mobile ears, and tail -- the brain itself must be changed somewhat to accommodate it. A very small percentage of the population is incapable of safely undergoing this procedure, or similar regenerative therapies, due to biochemical problems.

Lapists believe that the Change serves two overlapping purposes. One is that the changes in brain structure and chemistry alter behavior directly, making the person more peaceful and friendly. The subtler aspect is social reinforcement. As the believer commits to appearing in public with a rabbitty appearance as a religious practice, something possible even before any transformation, others react to them as a representative of the religion. The believer feels a duty to be on their best behavior and to live up to the group's positive stereotype. The fact that outsiders think "rabbit" reinforces that stereotype and peer pressure; e.g. Lapists are vulnerable to spontaneous juvenile adhesion (hugging).

Not all Lapists have undergone the Change. A novice member wears imitation rabbit ears and tail in public as a means of preparing themselves. The relative importance of the physical rabbit-form and a person's actual beliefs and behavior is a major theme of the Lapist stories. Several protagonists question whether they "have a Rabbit in them," meaning whether they live up to the ideal regardless of their physical form. Aaron/Sweetgrass wrote much of the Book of Peace before his transformation, based on insights gained from other, traumatic experiences. The interplay is summed up by one character:

''We're no better inside than the next man, despite the fact that we do turn the natural aggression knob down a few clicks as part of the Change. But, in the end, I think that what is important is the fact that we are trying to be something more, trying to achieve higher goals. That, far more than the fur and funny teeth, is what sets us apart from everyone else.'' -"Full Immersion"

The Lapist Church is known to have at least one physical place of worship; a converted Christian church renamed the Oaktree Temple. The Church also possesses a gengineering clinic that performs the conversion procedure, which can also be done elsewhere. Its other assets are unknown, but it probably has considerable funds from Aaron/Sweetgrass' numerous patents.

==Comparisons==
Geusz has described Lapism as "an entirely new kind of religion," yet it has roots in, and similarities to, existing belief systems. Lapist teachings do not specifically mention any gods or appeal to revealed knowledge, making Lapism similar to some religions, such as Confucianism, that are sometimes called "philosophy" rather than "religion." The definition of religion is fuzzy enough that Lapism could be considered as either, and even Lapist characters disagree on the question. The Book of Peace is described as Lapism's "bible" and is the topic of extensive study as with Christianity's New Testament. Church members argue about whether its moral positions should be taken literally, or questioned and reinterpreted. As with Islam and the Quaker sect, there seem to be influential Church members but no official clergy. Lapists have no obvious idols, as with Protestant Christians, and seem to avoid formally worded prayers, as with Mormonism. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/worship/prayer.shtml] As with religion in general, Lapists maintain a community of believers and identify themselves by appearance and ritual.

Lapist ethics emphasize kindness and peace (as with the Quaker "Testimony of Peace" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker#The_Peace_Testimony]) but do not reject violence when necessary, judging from the design decisions made for the original anthro-rabbit template. The lack of alleged divine revelation or a racial aspect sets it apart from most existing religions. The group's founder is revered as a leader, but unlike many religious prophets is not said to be divinely inspired. The fact that the Lapist body template involves improved senses and altered diet ties the movement in with Transhumanism [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism], the belief that technology can help people to surpass human limitations. One character suggests that Lapism harkens back to ancient totemic faiths as well as embracing Transhumanism.

The Book of Peace explicitly rejects prostelyzation, on the grounds that the decision to convert must come from the individual, but almost immediately after Aaron/Sweetgrass' death Church leaders questioned how strictly this doctrine should be kept. The eventual decision, to the extent that the issue was settled, was that the Church would welcome media attention but avoid outright advertising, letting members' presence in the community serve as a recruitment tool.

==In Context==
The overall setting of the Lapist stories is twenty-first century America. Its exact future history is not described in much detail, but includes the development of advanced gengineering technology and is not clearly utopian or dystopian. A noteworthy event that takes place early in the series is the schism of the Catholic Church into its Roman branch and a new American branch, which struggles to reconcile its faith with independence from the Vatican hierarchy.

==The Unknown==
Some aspects of Lapism remain yet unknown through the stories. The legal battle over gengineering and the initial gathering of converts are not thoroughly described, and of Book of Peace itself only a few snippets are quoted by characters. The exact content of the Book is left to the reader's imagination, as is the setting's future.

==Bibilography==
Each Lapism story focuses on different aspects of the lives of individual believers and the people around them. These are the existing stories in the order written, with a mostly spoiler-free synopsis of each:

-"Drama Class": Two brothers deal with depression, suicide and gang violence.

-"Intermission": Described by Geusz as involving "a half-changed movie critic who's lost his wife and his reasons for living, and who goes home to find his roots."

-"Schism": The young movement faces crisis after its founder's death.

-"Full Immersion": A boy questions his faith while facing poverty, and danger at a family-owned cave.

-"In the Beginning": An expert gengineer creates the most heavily transformed human design yet, while battling despair and addiction.

The chronological sequence seems to be "In the Beginning" (Book of Peace unwritten) followed by "Schism" (Digger as toddler), "Drama Class," (Digger as teenager) and "Full Immersion" (Digger as young adult).

Geusz' "Freedom City" novel series also involves gengineered rabbit-folk. As the two continuities (FC and Lapism) have very little else in common, however, they should not be regarded as co-existing within any larger setting/world.

TSAT

2006-02-17T06:28:09Z

Cubist: Correcting the traffic stats

[[Image:tsat.png|right|TSAT]]
'''''TSAT''''' is a bimonthly online [[fanzine]] devoted to [[transformation]] stories. The zine's name is an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' is of interest to the [[furry community]] largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, ''TSAT'' has made two appearances on each [[Recommended Anthropomorphics List]], in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

''TSAT'' was started by [[Jeffrey M. Mahr]]. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably [[Andy Hollis]]. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. ''TSAT'' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

The departure of Mahr & co. left a hole that was filled by two members of the [[TSA-Talk]] mailing list: [[Michael W. Bard]] and [[Quentin Long|Quentin 'Cubist' Long]]. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of ''TSAT'' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, have produced new issues every two months without fail.

Currently, ''TSAT'' is responsible for roughly 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 50,000 distinct webpages served) every month. What may be a more significant indication of ''TSAT's'' popularity, is that if you feed 'tsat' to Google as a keyword and click on "I'm feeling lucky", you will be sent to ''TSAT''.

== External links ==

* [http://tsat.transform.to ''TSAT'' main site] and [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror]

[[Category:Fanzines]]

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew!

2005-11-27T23:37:12Z

Cubist: /* Team Members */

[[Image:zoocrew_issue1.jpg|200px|right]]
'''''Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew''''' is a [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]] comic book property about a team of [[funny animal]] superheroes called the '''Zoo Crew'''. It was published from 1982 to 1983, and was created by [[Wikipedia:Roy Thomas|Roy Thomas]] and [[Scott Shaw!]].

Although the series, which was the last original funny animal property created by DC Comics, proved shortlived, lasting only 20 issues, it is still fondly remembered in [[furry fandom]], and the characters still appear occasionally in cameos in the DC Universe.

==Location==
The various members of the Zoo Crew lived on a parallel Earth that, in DC's pre-''[[Wikipedia:Crisis on Infinite Earths|Crisis]]'' days, was named "Earth-C." Earth-C consisted of a world where various [[anthropomorphic|anthropomorized]] talking animals existed; the series featured a lot of pun names for real-world aspects. For instance, the Zoo Crew operated out of "Los Antelopes, Califurnia," a parody of Los Angeles, California. Similar puns included places with names such as "Gnu York" (New York City), "Tallahatchee" (Tallahassee, Florida), "Cornada" (Canada), and the "United Species of America" (United States of America).

The president of Earth-C's version of the U.S. was "Mallard Fillmore" (a reference to 19th century U.S. president Millard Fillmore); other famous figures of Earth-C included "Liz Whaler" (Elizabeth Taylor), "Marlin Brando" (Marlon Brando), and "Byrd Rentals" (Burt Reynolds), the latter of whom became a member of the Zoo Crew.

Historical figures and events on Earth-C included the "Second Weird War" (World War II; Earth-C's version featured the U.S. and the Allies fighting the "Ratzis"), and President "Abraham Linkidd" (a [[goat]], Earth-C's version of Abraham Lincoln), who was immortalized in the nation's capital ("Waspington, D.C.") at the "Linkidd Memorial".

Earth-C's population also consisted of the various "funny animal" characters that appeared in DC Comics over the years, particularly those in such [[Wikipedia:Golden Age of Comics|Golden Age]] and [[Wikipedia:Silver Age of Comics|Silver Age]] DC titles as ''Funny Stuff,'' ''The Dodo and the Frog'', ''Real Screen Comics,'' and so forth. Indeed, several characters from these series made cameos during the run of ''Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew''.

Eventually, readers (and the Zoo Crew) were introduced to the parallel Earth of "Earth-C-Minus," which turned out to be the home of the "[[Justa Lotta Animals]]" (a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Justice League|Justice League of America]]) and whose world was an all-animal reflection of the mainstream DC Universe. (Captain Carrot, in his secret identity of Rodney Rabbit, is the writer/artist for the Earth-C ''Justa Lotta Animals'' comic.)

After the 1985 miniseries ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', it was stated that Earth-C and Earth-C-Minus were actually "alternate dimensions" rather than parallel Earths, and thus were spared from the effects of ''Crisis''. More recently, the miniseries ''[[Wikipedia:The Kingdom (comic)|The Kingdom]]'' presented Earth-C as a [[Wikipedia:Hypertime (comics)|Hypertime]] reality.

In 1986, the Zoo Crew crossed into the realm of classic literature when they were caught in the middle of the "Oz-Wonderland Wars" (DC Comics). At the end of that adventure, the [[Wikipedia:Inferior Five|Inferior Five]] appeared and it can be assumed the Zoo Crew went off to help them, though their published exploits end at that point.

==Origin==
The origin of the team came about when [[Wikipedia:Superman|Superman]] was investigating a strange phenomenon causing the citizens of Metropolis to begin acting like their [[primate]] ancestors. He soon found a ray streaking at him from a strange barrier surrounding the Earth, which prompted him to use a meteorite as protection. When the ray struck the meteorite, Superman and the meteor's fragments were sent from Superman's native dimension into Earth-C. There, Superman met several of the world's residents, who had gained superpowers when they were struck by the various meteor fragments.

The animals and Superman soon teamed up to stop the source of the ray (which was also causing the denizens of Earth-C to behave like their non-anthropomorized animal ancestors), which turned out to be the old Justice League villain [[Wikipedia:Starro|Starro]], a sentient starfish, who was launching his de-evolution assault from the Earth-C universe's Pluto. After defeating the villain, the animals decided to stick together and form the Zoo Crew, and Superman returned home.

==Team Members==
The members of the Zoo Crew include:
*'''Captain Carrot''': Roger Rodney Rabbit (later comics dropped the "Roger", to avoid confusion with the title character of [[Wikipedia:Walt Disney Pictures|Disney]]'s ''[[Who Framed Roger Rabbit]]''), of "Gnu York"; a [[rabbit]]. The leader of the team. By eating one of his "cosmic carrots" (as Rodney called them), Rodney would gain superpowers for roughly 24 hours, although major exertion could exhaust the powers sooner. These include super strength, endurance, heightened hearing and vision senses and a super-powerful leap. As such, he is the only member who has to constantly replenish his powers and keeps a a pair of carrots holstered on his person for such a need in emergencies. The source of these carrots was initially a windowbox which he grew carrots in, which one of the meteor fragments had struck. Later he arranged a "grow-op" at the team headquarters to ensure an adequate continuous supply.
*'''Alley-Kat-Abra''': Felina Furr of "Mew Orleans" (a parody of New Orleans, Louisiana); a [[cat]]. A martial arts instructor and student of the mystical arts, Felina uses her "Magic Wanda" to cast various types of spells.
*'''Pig-Iron''': Peter Porkchops of "Piggsburgh" (a parody of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania); a [[pig]]. Struck by a meteor fragment, the diminutive Peter fell (along with the meteorite) into a vat of molten metal in the steel mill where he worked. The consequent chemical reaction transformed his now-enormous body into a form of steel, with strength and invulnerability to match. Peter was originally a character from an earlier series of DC "funny animal" comics. Pig-Iron, nicknamed the "Swine of Steel" and "Porcine Powerhouse", was perhaps inspired by the [[Wikipedia:Gilbert Shelton|Gilbert Sheldon]] character [[Wonder Wart-Hog]], known as "the Hog of Steel".
*'''Rubberduck''': Byrd Rentals of "Follywood, Califurnia" (a parody of Hollywood, California); a [[duck]]. Byrd, a movie star, was given the power to stretch his body into any shape and length when a meteor fragment struck his hot tub. Rubberduck was also nicknamed the "Malleable [[Mallard]]."
*'''Yankee Poodle''': Rova Barkitt, also of "Follywood"; a [[poodle]]. Rova, who worked as a gossip columnist, was interviewing Byrd when they were both struck by meteor fragments. Rova gained the ability to project a repelling force (in the form of blue stars) with one hand and an attraction force (in the form of red-and-white stripes) with the other. Rova Barkitt's name is a parody of gossip columnist Rona Barrett. A DC Comics character introduced in the 1990s, Stargirl, wears a costume that resembles Yankee Poodle's; Stargirl's creator, Geoff Johns, is said to be an avid fan of the Zoo Crew.
*'''Fastback''': Timmy Joe Terrapin of the fictional "Okey-Dokey" (a parody of the Okefenokee Swamp) in the American south; a [[turtle]]. While trying to catch a bus to "Kornsas City" (Kansas City, Missouri), Timmy was struck by a meteor fragment and gained the ability to move at superchelonian speed. Fastback was also nicknamed the "Reptilian Rocket." In addition, Timmy was the nephew of Golden Age DC character McSnurtle the Turtle, also a speedster. Wearing a a superhero uniform nigh-identical to that of Jay "Flash" Garrick, McSnurtle saw action in the Second Weird War under the name "The Terrific Whatsit".
*'''Little Cheese''': Chester Cheese, a student at Follywood High School; a [[mouse]]. Chester had the ability to shrink from the comparable size of his teammates to a size of only a few centimeters, and was the only team member to not gain his powers from a meteor fragment (rather, he gained them from eating a piece of experimental cheese brought back from Earth-C's moon).

==Villains==
Enemies of the Zoo Crew included:
* '''Dr. Hoot''': an [[owl]] who used various scientific gadgets to commit crimes.
* '''A.C.R.O.S.T.I.C.''': a secretive organization that plotted to over throw the American government.
* '''Jailhouse Roc''': a giant flying [[vulture]] who had been in jail since the late 1950s until he was released to work for A.C.R.O.S.T.I.C.
* '''Digger O'Doom''': a [[mole]] who gained tremendous strength after eating one of Rodney's carrots.
* '''Frogzilla''': formerly Fennimore Frog, who was turned into a giant [[frog]] by A.C.R.O.S.T.I.C. as a means of seeking revenge against his old foe, Dunbar [[Dodo]]. Both Fennimore and Dunbar originally appeared in DC's "funny animal" title ''The Dodo and the Frog''.
* '''Feline Faust''': a [[cat]] sorcerer from Earth-C-Minus, and a counterpart of DC Comics villain Felix Faust.
* '''Kongaroo''': A massive marsupial from down under, who liked to play with traffic. This kangaroo was changed into a giant by A.C.R.O.S.T.I.C.

==External links==
*[http://www.comics-db.com/DC_Comics/C/Captain_Carrot/index.html Big Comic Book DataBase entry]
*[http://www.toonopedia.com/carrot.htm Toonopedia entry]

{{Wikipedia|Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew}}

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Talk:Furry cabal

2005-11-27T23:28:14Z

Cubist:

For those who don't get it, the text of the article that I put is a ''joke''. You have to have been on Usenet's news.admin.net-abuse.email in around 1998 or so to get it. ;-) --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:05, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
:I tried creating a joke article once, and it got removed within a few hours (the article was called "Recursive" and the body of it was <nowiki>"#REDIRECT [[Recursive]]"</nowiki>). Oh, well... --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:19, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
::Maybe I should protect the article. ;-) --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 15:21, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
I can see why that "Recursive" page would be deleted -- you go there; you get redirected to RECURSIVE; once you're there, you get redirected to RECURSIVE; once you're there, you get redirected to RECURSIVE; once you're there... Can you say "infinite loop"? As for this particular page, I think it might be in keeping with the spirit of the gag for it to say something like "There Is No Furry Cabal. If there were a Furry Cabal, it might be expected to have such-and-such characteristics, yada yada yada -- but, to repeat, There Is No Furry Cabal." -- Cubist

Anthro (magazine)

2005-11-11T01:15:55Z

Cubist:

'''''[http://anthrozine.com Anthro]''''' is a bimonthly furry online magazine which started with its September/October 2005 issue. Its editor/webmaster/Lord High Everything Else is Quentin 'Cubist' Long, who (aided and abetted by partner-in-crime Michael W. Bard) performs pretty much the same suite of duties for '''''[[TSAT_Magazine|TSAT]]'''.'' Curiously, neither Long nor Bard consider themselves to be furries. Long's primary goal for '''''Anthro''''' is to make it a known source of high-quality furry material, including (but not limited to) stories, art, columns, fact articles, poetry, webcomics, reviews, and whatever else furdom-at-large can come up with.

'''''Anthro''''s'' regular features, over and above its complement of stories and poems and fact articles, include '''''Down the Rabbit Hole''','' [[Phil Geusz]]'s column focusing on the relationship and interactions between furdom and mundane society; '''''Castle Horsetooth''','' [[Oren Otter]]'s and [[Eala Dubh]]'s comic strip about the adventures of valiant Sir Fluren and his noble steed Briarwood in the kingdom of Jaywardia; [[Fred Patten]]'s reviews of furry books; and the editorials of Long and Bard, those being '''''From the Editor's Maw''''' and '''''Through the Looking-Glass''','' respectively.

Anthro (magazine)

2005-11-11T01:15:22Z

Cubist:

'''''[http://anthrozine.com Anthro]''''' is a bimonthly furry online magazine which started with its September/October 2005 issue. Its editor/webmaster/Lord High Everything Else is Quentin 'Cubist' Long, who (aided and abetting by partner-in-crime Michael W. Bard) performs pretty much the same suite of duties for '''''[[TSAT_Magazine|TSAT]]'''.'' Curiously, neither Long nor Bard consider themselves to be furries. Long's primary goal for '''''Anthro''''' is to make it a known source of high-quality furry material, including (but not limited to) stories, art, columns, fact articles, poetry, webcomics, reviews, and whatever else furdom-at-large can come up with.

'''''Anthro''''s'' regular features, over and above its complement of stories and poems and fact articles, include '''''Down the Rabbit Hole''','' [[Phil Geusz]]'s column focusing on the relationship and interactions between furdom and mundane society; '''''Castle Horsetooth''','' [[Oren Otter]]'s and [[Eala Dubh]]'s comic strip about the adventures of valiant Sir Fluren and his noble steed Briarwood in the kingdom of Jaywardia; [[Fred Patten]]'s reviews of furry books; and the editorials of Long and Bard, those being '''''From the Editor's Maw''''' and '''''Through the Looking-Glass''','' respectively.

TSAT

2005-11-11T00:17:06Z

Cubist:

'''''TSAT''''' is a bimonthly online magazine devoted to transformation stories, which can be found at either its [http://tsat.transform.to main] or [http://tsat.xepher.net mirror] sites. The zine's name is an acronym standing for '''''T'''ransformation '''S'''tories, '''A'''rt, and '''T'''alk.'' '''''TSAT''''' is of interest to the furry community largely because of (a) the significant percentage of transformation stories which are also furry stories, and (b) the fact that from 2002 on, '''''TSAT''''' has made two appearances on each Recommended Anthropomorphics List, in the categories Best Short Fiction and/or Best Novel and/or Best Fanzine.

'''''TSAT''''' was started by Jeffrey M. Mahr. Its first issue bore the cover date December 1998/January 1999, and new issues appeared every two months without fail. Mr. Mahr was aided and abetted by a small group of people, perhaps most notably Andy Hollis. In 2001, Mr. Mahr & co. chose to move on to another project; Infinite Imagination eBooks, a venture in electronic publishing which ultimately proved unsuccessful. '''''TSAT''''' #18, the October/November 2001 issue, was the last one produced under Mahr's auspices.

Mr. Mahr's departure left a hole that was filled by two members of the TSA-Talk mailing list: Michael W. Bard and Quentin 'Cubist' Long. Incoming webmaster Long gave the zine a complete revamp, discarding much of the graphics with which Mr. Mahr had decorated the zine, and streamlining its internal navigation. The first Bard/Long issue of '''''TSAT''''' was #19, the December 2001/January 2002 issue, and the current editors, like Mr. Mahr, have produced new issues every two months without fail.

As of 10 November 2005, '''''TSAT''''' is responsible for over 2 gigabytes of web traffic (comprising more than 62,000 distinct webpages served) every month. What may be a more significant indication of '''''TSAT'''s''' popularity, is that if you feed 'tsat' to Google as a keyword and click on "I'm feeling lucky", you will be sent to '''''TSAT''.'''