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Unbridled Desires

2016-06-21T05:30:34Z

Crassus:

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'''Unbridled Desires''' is a [[roleplaying]] and [[talker]] [[MUCK]] which is not restricted to equine characters.

* '''Addresses''':
** '''MUCK server''':
*** [telnet://hercules.mthelicon.com:8888 hercules.mthelicon.com port 8888]<ref>[http://www.tigerden.com/~infopage/muck/unbridled.html Unbridled Desires page] at [[Rhal's Furry MU*s Connector]]</ref>
*** [telnet://muck.alicorntech.com:8888 muck.alicorntech.com, port 8888]
*** muck.unbridleddesires.net port 8888 (defunct)
** '''Website''': http://www.angel-hare.com/acorn/muck/UDChar.html
::::http://www.rihahn.com/ud/ (defunct)
* '''Ran from/to''': 1995? - present

== [[Wizard]]s ==

*[[Brayer]]
*[[D'salya]]
*[[Flinthoof]]
*[[Lillanthia]]
*[[Mina]]
*[[Pegasus (person)|Pegasus]]
*[[Ri'Hahn]]
*[[Sharis]]
*[[Silkymare]]
*[[Squirrelly]]

== References ==
<references/>

{{Mp-world-stub}}

[[Category:Animal multiplayer worlds]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:18:13Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ speelarns

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding a blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding a clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> He also stated that an alternative medium would be worked on to encourage and facilitate "policy-type stuff."

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:17:46Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ Site staff remarks on future policy change suggestion medium.

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding a blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding a clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> He also stated that an alternative medium would be worked on to encourage and facility "policy-type stuff."

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:14:10Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding a blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding a clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban (content type here) from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:12:14Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ grammar is important

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding a blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding a clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:12:01Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ grammar is important

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding a blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:09:29Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ Changed position of sentence to accurately reflect chronology.

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-06-01T00:08:01Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ Feature suggestions made in response to proposed ban.

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged.

Users suggested additional bans and/or alternative solutions which were marked as "duplicates", including:
* banning porn involving dog penises, feral and bestiality, My Little Pony, homosexuality, and rape
* banning pornography altogether<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
* adding blacklist opt-in feature for "squicky content"
* adding clause into the Terms of Service to protect artists from censorship, exclusion or harassment<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/1124-ban-content-type-here-from-furry-network/ ''Ban [content type here] from Furry Network''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>
Varka stated that since the cub porn ban had already been enacted, the blacklist opt-in feature would be considered for future updates on remaining content.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/872-default-blacklist-for-squicky-content/ ''Default Blacklist for 'squicky' content''] Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-05-31T23:36:38Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ grammar is important

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 votes in favor and 620 votes against before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a re-vote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged. The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-05-31T23:35:57Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ repetitive word removed

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 upvotes and 620 downvotes before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a revote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged. The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

Furry Network (art archive)

2016-05-31T23:32:39Z

Crassus: Expanded detail in controversy

:''This article is about Furry Network, the website created and operated by Bad Dragon. For the defunct 2011 Furry Network news site, see [[Furry Network (news)]]''.
{{Infobox website
| title = Furry Network
| image =
| caption = An artistic, creative furry community unlike any other
| url = http://www.furrynetwork.com/
| author = '''Administrator:''' [[Varka]]
| status = Open beta
| began = August 16, 2015 (closed beta)
| genre = Social media community
| rating = {{Rating-pg-button|center}}{{Rating-nc17-button|right}}
}}
'''Furry Network''' is an online community focused on the promotion of [[art]] and creative works within the [[furry fandom]].

== History ==

Furry Network was created in 2015 by [[Varka]] and the [[Bad Dragon]] team in response to the sale of [[Fur Affinity]] to [[IMVU]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/furry/comments/2znmj0/in_response_to_the_furaffinity_buyout_varka_bad/ ''In response to the FurAffinity buyout...''] - post on [[Reddit|Reddit.com]]'s /r/furry subreddit. Dated March 20, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref><ref>''[https://bad-dragon.com/artsite.html Bad Dragon Project Announcement''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Retrieved November 18, 2015.</ref> Varka Enterprises attempted to purchase FurAffinity in 2011, but Dragoneer declined. By late 2015, the project was a closed beta, by invite only.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/08/18/furry-network-beta-is-live/ ''Furry Network Beta is Live!''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated August 18 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

== Statistics ==

* 143,594 Submissions as of November 7, 2015.<ref>[http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/11/07/november-update-tweaks-bug-fixes/ ''November Update: Tweaks & Bug Fixes''] - post on the Furry Network's website. Dated November 7, 2015. Retrieved ?.</ref>

==Controversy==

The site faced controversy for allowing erotic [[cub]] imagery. On May 26, a feature request thread was opened by [[Tartii]] requesting that "cub pornography" be removed from the site, citing that it made many users uncomfortable.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/870-remove-allowing-cub-pornography-on-the-website/ ''Remove allowing Cub Pornography on the website.''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 27, 2016.</ref> By the afternoon the thread received a total of 1389 upvotes and 620 downvotes before voting and comments were locked. The validity of the votes were however questioned when it was discovered that users could vote unlimited times by exploiting proxy services.<ref>[https://support.furrynetwork.com/topics/958-voting-prone-to-anonymous-tor-abuse/ ''Voting prone to anonymous tor abuse''] - post on Furry Network's support page. Dated May 26, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> Varka acknowledged the voting exploit on the same day and changed the software to require account logins. Users on both sides called for a revote, but the compromised vote tallies remained unchanged. The following day, the ban was enacted. In a blog post, Varka thanked those who spoke up "including those who voted on the support request thread."<ref>[https://blog.furrynetwork.com/2016/05/28/content-policy-changes-may-27-2016/ ''Content policy changes – May 27, 2016''] - post on Furry Network's blog page. Dated May 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref> The new Acceptable Upload Policy prohibits "Content that contains minors in sexual situations or who are suggestive in appearance" which defines minors as "human or animal characters who are younger than 18 years old, or whose body is prepubescent in appearance."<ref>[https://about.furrynetwork.com/acceptable-upload-policy/ ''Acceptable Upload Policy, Last Updated: May 27, 2016''] - Dated March 27, 2016. Retrieved May 31, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
<references />

== External links ==

* [https://twitter.com/FurryNetwork Furry Network] on [[Twitter]]

{{community-stub}}
[[Category:Mature art archives]]

C-snakes (species)

2009-12-20T02:06:54Z

Crassus: This is impossible. F-Chan did not even exist until 2004.

{{cleanup}}
'''C-Snakes''' (otherwise known as '''Cum Snakes''') are fictional, pink, parasitic [[snakes]] that reproduce by taking over a host body and using the host infect other potential hosts. They usually do this by consuming the mind and organs of a host victim and using its skin and knowledge to impersonate the host so that they can seduce others into having [[sex]] with them. Then they invade the new host body and begin the whole process over again.

==C-Snake Host types/traits==

There are a few traits that are common to all host types.

* C-Snakes generate a pink slime that absorbs into the skin of the victim causing heightened sex drive and uncontrollable urge to have sex. This slime also affects the potential host's nerves so that they do not feel pain and only a heightened sense of pleasure.
* Original fetishes of the host are heightened or amplified
* Can heal wounds in the host's body almost instantly no matter the severity.
* The host loses any magical ability they may have once had, but may still use minor psionics if the host had the ability originally.

If the host is overfilled with cum snakes will display the fallowing traits:

* Female hosts will look pregnant. Male hosts will look overweight
* The host will grow an enlarged scrotum to hold excess snakes

===Type One: fully converted Cum Snake Host===

This is the most common type of host. In most stories and artwork hosts are converted into this type of zombified being that serves as a simple home to the glowing, pink snakes.

;Host traits:

* Don't register as living beings by medical scans or equipment
* Hosts do not have bones or internal organs. They are simply a skin filled with C-Snakes
* Have no mind of their own. The brain and all its memories are consumed by the snakes
* Will not attack other C-Snakes or C-Snake Hosts
* Radiate no scent or pheromones
* Have no control over their sexual urges and act as wild, sex-crazed animals
* Hosts controlled by advanced, or higher level snakes may not outright attack a potential victim in public, but will still try to seduce them. Lower level snakes without tact may still attack and rape a victim in public
* Can be easily detected by '''GenEns''' and guard dogs
* Have the ability to grow a penis if female. males have an enlarged penis. Advanced snakes can control this trait. Lower level snakes cannot and the host stays constantly endowed
* Constantly leak pink goo
* Lower level snake react only to the presence of organic beings. Advanced snakes can still perform as the host would normally, but may become confused by robots and non-organic beings.
* Any essence or soul the host had is lost. Only the host's shell remains as a vessel for the snakes to inhabit.

===Type Two: Breeding Grounds Host===

This type of host is moderately rare because only High Level Cum Snakes who have survived and have had numerous past hosts hold the knowledge of how to create such a host of it's victims. Advanced snakes will carefully scout out and select a proper Breeding Ground host before secretly invading the host body without their knowledge. Breeding Ground Hosts tend to be someone of strategic value.

;Host Traits:

* Register as living to medical equipment, '''GenEns''', and guard dogs.
* Radiate the normal scent and pheromones of the host body
* The Host still retains whatever essence or soul they had as they are still living beings
* Rarely modify the Host body, not wanting to reveal themselves to the Host or to others
* Hosts have no memory of being infected
* Snakes have psychic link to the host mind instead of destroying it, thus can alter the Host's memory or affect emotions to persuade the Host to act in a manor constant with the snakes' wishes.
* Prolonged infection results in either a change in the host personality to a more malevolent, a decrease in mental stability leading to madness, or destruction of the host mind reducing him/her to a Type One Host.
* Snakes have the ability to halt a Host's movement or even make a host pass out if a host is not compliant with their wishes
* Snakes can induce a hypnotic state within the Host or heighten sexual desire and to sensation to urge the host to have sex with others
* Snakes can apply pressure upon a Host's bladder or intestines to urge the Host to use the bathroom in strategic locations, expelling Snakes with the waste
* Snakes can conceal or disguise themselves as thick lining to internal organs to avoid detection by medical equipment. A highly trained physician can recognize this
* Snakes can speed up or slow down the Host body's metabolic rate, enzyme, or bio-electric production, making the Host heal rapidly, eat less or more often or increase the Host's strength, speed or energy output
* Snakes can induce a heart attack or similar organ failure to cause death, then reanimate a host later, though if too much time elapses between death and reanimation of the host brain damage may occur and the host is reduced to a Type One Host.

===Type Three: Symbiont Host===

Symbiont, or "Mostly Tame" Host is by far the rarest and most uncommon type of C-Snake Host. This is when either by super science or other means where complete cooperation between Snake and Host are achieved. Among the two ways a Symbiont Host is created super science is the most common.

Super Science can produce a Symbiont Host by capturing a live C-Snake and modifying it under laboratory conditions to behave in a manner that it does not overpower the Host and take him/her over. Even under these circumstances a Host must have the fortitude and strength of will to keep the Snakes in their body under their control. Failure to maintain this battle of wills results in the snakes taking control of the Host and the Host becomes a Type Two.
The second way a Symbiont Host can be created is highly unlikely and isn't considered a valid method by most C-Snake Role Players. This unlikely scenario is achieved when a Host, by his/her own submission allows an Advanced C-Snake enter his/her own body. Such a person would have to have matching goals with the C-Snakes, no moral objection about harming others and converting them into C-Snake Hosts, or have such a fascination with the creatures that they are willing to abandon all morals in order to become one with them. C-Snakes rarely have interest in making alliances and would find it much easier betray such an offer and turn the Host into either a Type One or Type Two Host than to risk the Host having moral or personal objections to their actions later. In the unlikelihood such a union is achieved the first moment the Host has an objection they would be instantly downgraded to a Type One or Two.

;Host Traits:

* Host register as faintly living. Their minds are mostly in tact.
* The Host still retains whatever essence or soul they had as they are still living beings
* Hosts produce little or light amounts of their own scent or pheromones
* Hosts retain their scent of smell and sometimes other senses
* Hosts become overly concerned with their appearance and are prone to narcissistic behavior, like stopping often to admire their reflection.
* Hosts' beauty and proportions are exaggerated to make them much more attractive than they were originally
* Hosts constantly leak pink goo, but not to lack of control on the Snakes' part, but because the Hosts find it overpoweringly stimulating to resist
* New Hosts created by a Symbiont Host are Type Two Hosts that are loyal only to the Symbiont Host, or in rare cases into other Type Three Hosts but still keenly loyal to their creator
* Symbiont Hosts may work with or be allied with the "good guys", but they themselves are never aligned for good
* Type Three Hosts may start out as good in the beginning, but tragically must loose some part of themselves. Usually this is the morals of the Host, degrading eventually to malevolence. The Host can also gradually loose their humanity.
* C-Snakes in a Type Three Host increase the original fetishes of the Host much more than any other type of Host by far

==Learned Abilities (Advanced Snakes Only)==

Besides being able to create and control the mind and body of a Breeding Ground Host there are other skills that an Advanced Cum Snake can learn or Master.

;Learned Abilities

* Snake Wings: The ability of an Advanced snake to arrange the lesser snakes in the Host's body into a functional, though twisted, dripping, gooey set of pink wings.

==Comics==

The most popular of all Cum Snake art is unarguably the comics created by Alen Griphon. The first comic has a complete storyline, though currently can only be found in partially inked and digitally enhanced text. or in it's original pencil. The story and original artwork was never completed by Alen but still manages to capture the imaginations of it's readers. Perhaps it is the unfinished product that allows readers to finish the story out in their own minds.

===The First Comic===

The first comic begins when a pair of Archologist explorers, a vixen simply named Vix and a female griffon named Felun explore the outer regions when Vix unearths a tomb containing several C-Snakes.

[http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic01.jpg csnakecomic01] |
[http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic02.jpg csnakecomic02] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic03.jpg csnakecomic03] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic04.jpg csnakecomic04] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic05.jpg csnakecomic05] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic06.jpg csnakecomic06] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic07.jpg csnakecomic07] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic08.jpg csnakecomic08] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic09.jpg csnakecomic09] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic10.jpg csnakecomic10] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic11.jpg csnakecomic11] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic12.jpg csnakecomic12] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic13.jpg csnakecomic13] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic14.jpg csnakecomic14] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic15.jpg csnakecomic15] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic16.jpg csnakecomic16] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic17.jpg csnakecomic17] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic18.jpg csnakecomic18] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic19.jpg csnakecomic19] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic20.jpg csnakecomic20] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic21.jpg csnakecomic21]

===The Second Comic===

The second comic begins when Dash, a female [[kangaroo]] Runner Soldier returns to the Savana Base from patrol with her fellow platoon members with a little more than she bargained for. Nobody knows how this will affect later characters: a female [[wolf]] named Valiz, a male 'roo named Don, a male canine named Kit, their unnamed boss and the rest of Shady Dunes.

==Dictionary==

*'''GenEns:''' GenEn is the term for a futuristic assistant which is a genetically engineered, sleek and exotic, talking animal with human like eyes and caring, motherly instincts and a gentle voice. Humans of the future often depend upon Genens to raise their children since many adult humans spend all their time working for their raised standards of living and have so little time to spend with their own families. Many GenEns, also known as GenXotics, retain the amazing pheromone scenting abilities of ordinary animals like German Shepherds, deer, and snakes. Those GenEns are just as good at scenting bacterial emissions and bioelectric brain currents as normal German Shepherds and wolves. Because GenEns are so close to the primal level of instincts and abilities, they also randomly possess the ability to see spirit activity and phenomenon. GenEns are not only masters of child rearing, but their skills in solving crimes before they happen and detecting truth and ill will, are invaluable tools for humans. GenEns can also detect alarm pheromones left behind by people or animals who have been attacked. GenEns also can instantly detect, from a distance, when the pheromones of a human or animal's body have changed or are unnaturally one or two molecules off. GenEn's can easily detect c-snake hosts because of this and may be the human's only hope of surviving the cum snake menace... as long as GenEns THEMSELVES do not become food or hosts for the cum snakes.
*'''Runners:''' Also referred to as "Runner Soldiers." their job is to patrol the bad lands for Cum Snake Activity.

==C-Snake artist and writers==

*Alen Griphon aka [[Shanta-Ra]]
*[[DIVIGON]]
*[[Dracokon]]

==External links==

{{rating-nc17-button2}}
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Liberation_Found/ Liberation Found (C-snake RPG group)] on Yahoo! Groups
* [http://lotean.proboards101.com/ C-snake RPG Message Board]
* [http://wolphin.furvect.com/divigon/wrapper.php?filename=csnakes.txt C-Snake Story by DIVIGON]
* [http://dracokon.com/fiction/infection.php "The Infection", C-Snakes story by Dracokon]
[[Category:Comics]]
[[Category:Paraphilias]]

Alyn Gryphon

2009-12-20T01:50:09Z

Crassus: Spelling Error.

'''Alyn Gryphen''' aka '''Shanta-Ra''' aka '''Mad Doctor Griff''' is a [[furry artist]] who draws a variety of fantasy Egyptian-style art. He prefers to draw furries and other special humanoids in what he calls the "Celestial" style, making his humanoid foxes, kangaroos and other characters resemble sleek, colorful, silky, and iridescent god-like beings whose art style resembles a mix of Egyptian, Hindu and Disney style animation. His art subjects are often edgy and explore strange new worlds and possibilities and relationships between humans and fantastic beings, as well as the dark and alien, such as the [[C-snakes]], which he also invented.

== External links==
* [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/index.htm 's gallery] on [[Orcas.net]]
* [http://fchan.us/ah/res/48588.html Alen Gryphen's art] on [[fchan]] (down; see [http://web.archive.org/web/20070823195559/http://fchan.us/ah/res/48588.html archive])
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C-snakes (species)

2009-12-20T01:49:45Z

Crassus: Spelling error, hopefully will fix link issue.

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'''C-Snakes''' (otherwise known as '''Cum Snakes''') are fictional, pink, parasitic [[snakes]] that reproduce by taking over a host body and using the host infect other potential hosts. They usually do this by consuming the mind and organs of a host victim and using its skin and knowledge to impersonate the host so that they can seduce others into having [[sex]] with them. Then they invade the new host body and begin the whole process over again.

It is rumored that the C-Snakes creator, [[Alyn Griphon]] (aka [[Shanta-Ra]]) first created the parasitic reptiles in 1999 and first made their first debut on [[Fchan]] where he solicited donations for the creatures to be used by other artists and writers. This is unconfirmed thus far and can only be considered speculation. Since then C-Snakes have enjoyed some success within the [[furry fandom]] with artwork and stories by numerous creators.

==C-Snake Host types/traits==

There are a few traits that are common to all host types.

* C-Snakes generate a pink slime that absorbs into the skin of the victim causing heightened sex drive and uncontrollable urge to have sex. This slime also affects the potential host's nerves so that they do not feel pain and only a heightened sense of pleasure.
* Original fetishes of the host are heightened or amplified
* Can heal wounds in the host's body almost instantly no matter the severity.
* The host loses any magical ability they may have once had, but may still use minor psionics if the host had the ability originally.

If the host is overfilled with cum snakes will display the fallowing traits:

* Female hosts will look pregnant. Male hosts will look overweight
* The host will grow an enlarged scrotum to hold excess snakes

===Type One: fully converted Cum Snake Host===

This is the most common type of host. In most stories and artwork hosts are converted into this type of zombified being that serves as a simple home to the glowing, pink snakes.

;Host traits:

* Don't register as living beings by medical scans or equipment
* Hosts do not have bones or internal organs. They are simply a skin filled with C-Snakes
* Have no mind of their own. The brain and all its memories are consumed by the snakes
* Will not attack other C-Snakes or C-Snake Hosts
* Radiate no scent or pheromones
* Have no control over their sexual urges and act as wild, sex-crazed animals
* Hosts controlled by advanced, or higher level snakes may not outright attack a potential victim in public, but will still try to seduce them. Lower level snakes without tact may still attack and rape a victim in public
* Can be easily detected by '''GenEns''' and guard dogs
* Have the ability to grow a penis if female. males have an enlarged penis. Advanced snakes can control this trait. Lower level snakes cannot and the host stays constantly endowed
* Constantly leak pink goo
* Lower level snake react only to the presence of organic beings. Advanced snakes can still perform as the host would normally, but may become confused by robots and non-organic beings.
* Any essence or soul the host had is lost. Only the host's shell remains as a vessel for the snakes to inhabit.

===Type Two: Breeding Grounds Host===

This type of host is moderately rare because only High Level Cum Snakes who have survived and have had numerous past hosts hold the knowledge of how to create such a host of it's victims. Advanced snakes will carefully scout out and select a proper Breeding Ground host before secretly invading the host body without their knowledge. Breeding Ground Hosts tend to be someone of strategic value.

;Host Traits:

* Register as living to medical equipment, '''GenEns''', and guard dogs.
* Radiate the normal scent and pheromones of the host body
* The Host still retains whatever essence or soul they had as they are still living beings
* Rarely modify the Host body, not wanting to reveal themselves to the Host or to others
* Hosts have no memory of being infected
* Snakes have psychic link to the host mind instead of destroying it, thus can alter the Host's memory or affect emotions to persuade the Host to act in a manor constant with the snakes' wishes.
* Prolonged infection results in either a change in the host personality to a more malevolent, a decrease in mental stability leading to madness, or destruction of the host mind reducing him/her to a Type One Host.
* Snakes have the ability to halt a Host's movement or even make a host pass out if a host is not compliant with their wishes
* Snakes can induce a hypnotic state within the Host or heighten sexual desire and to sensation to urge the host to have sex with others
* Snakes can apply pressure upon a Host's bladder or intestines to urge the Host to use the bathroom in strategic locations, expelling Snakes with the waste
* Snakes can conceal or disguise themselves as thick lining to internal organs to avoid detection by medical equipment. A highly trained physician can recognize this
* Snakes can speed up or slow down the Host body's metabolic rate, enzyme, or bio-electric production, making the Host heal rapidly, eat less or more often or increase the Host's strength, speed or energy output
* Snakes can induce a heart attack or similar organ failure to cause death, then reanimate a host later, though if too much time elapses between death and reanimation of the host brain damage may occur and the host is reduced to a Type One Host.

===Type Three: Symbiont Host===

Symbiont, or "Mostly Tame" Host is by far the rarest and most uncommon type of C-Snake Host. This is when either by super science or other means where complete cooperation between Snake and Host are achieved. Among the two ways a Symbiont Host is created super science is the most common.

Super Science can produce a Symbiont Host by capturing a live C-Snake and modifying it under laboratory conditions to behave in a manner that it does not overpower the Host and take him/her over. Even under these circumstances a Host must have the fortitude and strength of will to keep the Snakes in their body under their control. Failure to maintain this battle of wills results in the snakes taking control of the Host and the Host becomes a Type Two.
The second way a Symbiont Host can be created is highly unlikely and isn't considered a valid method by most C-Snake Role Players. This unlikely scenario is achieved when a Host, by his/her own submission allows an Advanced C-Snake enter his/her own body. Such a person would have to have matching goals with the C-Snakes, no moral objection about harming others and converting them into C-Snake Hosts, or have such a fascination with the creatures that they are willing to abandon all morals in order to become one with them. C-Snakes rarely have interest in making alliances and would find it much easier betray such an offer and turn the Host into either a Type One or Type Two Host than to risk the Host having moral or personal objections to their actions later. In the unlikelihood such a union is achieved the first moment the Host has an objection they would be instantly downgraded to a Type One or Two.

;Host Traits:

* Host register as faintly living. Their minds are mostly in tact.
* The Host still retains whatever essence or soul they had as they are still living beings
* Hosts produce little or light amounts of their own scent or pheromones
* Hosts retain their scent of smell and sometimes other senses
* Hosts become overly concerned with their appearance and are prone to narcissistic behavior, like stopping often to admire their reflection.
* Hosts' beauty and proportions are exaggerated to make them much more attractive than they were originally
* Hosts constantly leak pink goo, but not to lack of control on the Snakes' part, but because the Hosts find it overpoweringly stimulating to resist
* New Hosts created by a Symbiont Host are Type Two Hosts that are loyal only to the Symbiont Host, or in rare cases into other Type Three Hosts but still keenly loyal to their creator
* Symbiont Hosts may work with or be allied with the "good guys", but they themselves are never aligned for good
* Type Three Hosts may start out as good in the beginning, but tragically must loose some part of themselves. Usually this is the morals of the Host, degrading eventually to malevolence. The Host can also gradually loose their humanity.
* C-Snakes in a Type Three Host increase the original fetishes of the Host much more than any other type of Host by far

==Learned Abilities (Advanced Snakes Only)==

Besides being able to create and control the mind and body of a Breeding Ground Host there are other skills that an Advanced Cum Snake can learn or Master.

;Learned Abilities

* Snake Wings: The ability of an Advanced snake to arrange the lesser snakes in the Host's body into a functional, though twisted, dripping, gooey set of pink wings.

==Comics==

The most popular of all Cum Snake art is unarguably the comics created by Alen Griphon. The first comic has a complete storyline, though currently can only be found in partially inked and digitally enhanced text. or in it's original pencil. The story and original artwork was never completed by Alen but still manages to capture the imaginations of it's readers. Perhaps it is the unfinished product that allows readers to finish the story out in their own minds.

===The First Comic===

The first comic begins when a pair of Archologist explorers, a vixen simply named Vix and a female griffon named Felun explore the outer regions when Vix unearths a tomb containing several C-Snakes.

[http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic01.jpg csnakecomic01] |
[http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic02.jpg csnakecomic02] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic03.jpg csnakecomic03] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic04.jpg csnakecomic04] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic05.jpg csnakecomic05] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic06.jpg csnakecomic06] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic07.jpg csnakecomic07] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic08.jpg csnakecomic08] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic09.jpg csnakecomic09] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic10.jpg csnakecomic10] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic11.jpg csnakecomic11] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic12.jpg csnakecomic12] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic13.jpg csnakecomic13] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic14.jpg csnakecomic14] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic15.jpg csnakecomic15] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic16.jpg csnakecomic16] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic17.jpg csnakecomic17] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic18.jpg csnakecomic18] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic19.jpg csnakecomic19] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic20.jpg csnakecomic20] | [http://www.vortex.orcas.net/pictures/PicsByMadDoctorGriff/csnakecomic21.jpg csnakecomic21]

===The Second Comic===

The second comic begins when Dash, a female [[kangaroo]] Runner Soldier returns to the Savana Base from patrol with her fellow platoon members with a little more than she bargained for. Nobody knows how this will affect later characters: a female [[wolf]] named Valiz, a male 'roo named Don, a male canine named Kit, their unnamed boss and the rest of Shady Dunes.

==Dictionary==

*'''GenEns:''' GenEn is the term for a futuristic assistant which is a genetically engineered, sleek and exotic, talking animal with human like eyes and caring, motherly instincts and a gentle voice. Humans of the future often depend upon Genens to raise their children since many adult humans spend all their time working for their raised standards of living and have so little time to spend with their own families. Many GenEns, also known as GenXotics, retain the amazing pheromone scenting abilities of ordinary animals like German Shepherds, deer, and snakes. Those GenEns are just as good at scenting bacterial emissions and bioelectric brain currents as normal German Shepherds and wolves. Because GenEns are so close to the primal level of instincts and abilities, they also randomly possess the ability to see spirit activity and phenomenon. GenEns are not only masters of child rearing, but their skills in solving crimes before they happen and detecting truth and ill will, are invaluable tools for humans. GenEns can also detect alarm pheromones left behind by people or animals who have been attacked. GenEns also can instantly detect, from a distance, when the pheromones of a human or animal's body have changed or are unnaturally one or two molecules off. GenEn's can easily detect c-snake hosts because of this and may be the human's only hope of surviving the cum snake menace... as long as GenEns THEMSELVES do not become food or hosts for the cum snakes.
*'''Runners:''' Also referred to as "Runner Soldiers." their job is to patrol the bad lands for Cum Snake Activity.

==C-Snake artist and writers==

*Alen Griphon aka [[Shanta-Ra]]
*[[DIVIGON]]
*[[Dracokon]]

==External links==

{{rating-nc17-button2}}
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Liberation_Found/ Liberation Found (C-snake RPG group)] on Yahoo! Groups
* [http://lotean.proboards101.com/ C-snake RPG Message Board]
* [http://wolphin.furvect.com/divigon/wrapper.php?filename=csnakes.txt C-Snake Story by DIVIGON]
* [http://dracokon.com/fiction/infection.php "The Infection", C-Snakes story by Dracokon]
[[Category:Comics]]
[[Category:Paraphilias]]

Dragoneer

2009-11-22T10:18:09Z

Crassus: Oy.

[[Image:Bo dragoneer.jpg|right|Dragoneer, Dragoneer, as drawn by Bo-Gilliam]]
'''The Dragoneer''' (born March 25, 1980)<ref>[http://preyfar.livejournal.com/profile Preyfar's (The Dragoneer's) profile] on [[LiveJournal]]. Retrieved May 16, 2008</ref> is an [[artist]] primarily known for his [[Digimon]]-themed artwork. His style leans towards mature and adult imagery, preferring to keep his clean artwork separate from the fandom. His images generally feature characters of draconic or reptilian nature.

He is the owner of [[Ferrox Art, LLC]] which operates the [[Fur Affinity]] art community. Dragoneer joined the site in 2005 roughly two months before its untimely demise. Having fallen in love with the community, he worked with then-owner [[Alkora]] to help bring the site back online. He was appointed lead admin upon the site's return and eventually went on to take full ownership of Fur Affinity in October 2007<ref>http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/225121/ Personal FA Journal, October 17, 2007</ref>, purchasing the site out-of-pocket for $2,500.

Dragoneer is also on the [[Northeast Anthropomorphic Association]] board of directors where he helps organize and run the [[United!|FA: United]] convention.

== Character ==
[[Image:Kerb prey.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Preyfar, drawn by Kerberos]]
The Dragoneer's [[character]], better known by its Digi-name of Murasadramon, is a purple and orange Data-type Digimon. His species is primarily a [[hybrid]] of Guilmon and Exveemon combined. In battle, Murasadramon uses plasma- and electrical-based attacks, preferring melee combat to long range. The character is sometimes drawn in an alternative Digivolution which sports black armor and leather straps.

His other characters are '''Preyfar''', '''Eel''', '''Siodan''' and '''Kradramon'''.

===Preyfar===
Preyfar is a [[hyena]], primarily grey in color with a blue to purple tint to his coat. A pair of welding goggles accompany his rivet-head style of dress, the eyewear his most notable trademark appearance. He's usually seen wearing a fishnet shirt, pants with orange racing stripes and a custom pair of toe-less leather footwear.

==References==
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==External links==
{{Contributor|Preyfar}}
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/dragoneer/ The Dragoneer] on [[Fur Affinity]]
* [http://preyfar.livejournal.com/ The Dragoneer] on [[LiveJournal]]

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[[es:The Dragoneer]]

Fur and Loathing

2008-03-29T22:49:07Z

Crassus: /* Collaboration with Southern California Furries */

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[[Image:CSI.jpg|300px|right]]
'''''[[Wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]''''' is a popular television crime drama on [[Wikipedia:CBS|CBS]] in the United States. The original series is set in Las Vegas, Nevada. Spinoff series called ''CSI: Miami'' and ''CSI: New York'' have debuted cater to those local markets.

Episode 5 of season 4, ''Fur and Loathing'' (first aired 30 October 2003), had [[character]]s [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]] and [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]] investigating the murder of a [[raccoon]] [[fursuiter]] and following the trail to a fictional [[furry]] [[convention]] called [[PafCon]]. The show portrayed furry conventions as being not much more than lectures and sex orgies, showcasing a private [[furpile]] during one scene. Gil Grissom, though, saw spiritual aspects to the fandom and even took interest to a speech and other information relating furry fandom to ancient spirituality.

== Collaboration with Southern California Furries ==

In August of 2003, the producers of CSI approached Dark Fox (now known as [[Sabre Fox]]), who was then head of the [[SoCalFurs]] Yahoo! Group, inviting local furries to participate as extras in the already-scripted and in-progress episode "featuring" furry fandom. Dark Fox made an optimistic post to the mailing list, suggesting that furries might be able to finally contribute to portraying the fandom in accurate, positive light.<ref>["Attn SoCalFurs!" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7568]</ref> Much discussion was taken up about the positive and negative consequences such an episode would bring to the furry fandom.

After compelling Dark Fox and [[Kiyo Fox]] to sign a non-disclosure agreement, the producers lent the two a copy of the draft script for review.<ref>["As promised.. a CSI Update" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7626]</ref><ref>[Second CSI Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7638]</ref>. Dark Fox quickly singled out many errors and misconceptions (which he cited as being based on the [[MTV]] Sex2K furry episode). During a follow-up meeting with CSI's director, producer, set designer, and creative director, he pointed out these errors, describing and showing real photographs of furry conventions. Nonetheless, even after being shown the truth and correcting many of the crew's perspectives (including the creator of the show), the director gave Dark Fox the ultimatum that the show would continue as previously planned.<ref>[Crew's reactions to being shown real pictures of furry conventions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref>

Yet another post described Dark Fox's frustration with the impending negative consequences that the CSI episode would have on the fandom's image, including the feeling of futility in dealing with the unmovable objectives of the director and producer.<ref>[Dark Fox's frustration http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref> Moreover, he received many "weird" emails. While most seemed supportive, he cited his concerns with being blacklisted for his efforts. Fearing retribution, he posted a public comment on Flayrah, explaining his hardships. <ref>[Dark Fox's Flayrah reply http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1640]</ref>

The episode's convention scene was shot on September 15th of 2003. Though the morale of most local furs were greatly reduced, a handful were allowed to participate as extras. Others were held back at the studio gate reportedly due to payroll concerns. The real furs dressed in normal street clothes, wearing the occasional ears and tails; not one wore a fursuit. The resulting episode merely showed the real fans only for a few seconds in background shots before cutting to more prominently-shown paid actors in "fursuits", scritching each other en-mass in the lobby of the hotel.

== Quotes ==
[[Image:Pafcon shirt.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A t-shirt drawn by [[Jimmy Chin]] and produced by [[Brigus]], jokingly pretending to be from the convention featured in the CSI episode. The back side reads, "I thought it was a coyote!" (a line from the show)]]
* "It’s [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Vegas]]. People come here to be animals."
* [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]]: "Think of stuffed animals as a [[Wikipedia:Jungian_psychology|Jungian]] [[Wikipedia:Archetypes|archetype]]. What’s the one quality they possess that a man like Bob Pitt might want? . . . They’re lovable."
* (after gathering several furries in blue fursuits together) - Grissom: "I guess we're lucky blue's not a more popular color" - Fursuiter: "Hello? This is racial profiling!"
* "Sexy" (aka Bud Simmons), when asked to take "her" mask off: "I'm a lawyer, I know my rights - you can't sequester a domestic animal without due cause."
* [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]]: "Well, I like hairy chests, but I'm not about to bop a six-foot [[weasel]]!" (6 ft = 1.83 m)
* "He's a [[raccoon]]. They're all low-lifes. I mean, honestly, what do they do? Screw? Eat garbage? Screw some more?"
* ". . . she helped me become . . . who I am. I always knew that I was a - something else - and Linda made it real."
* "I'm not so sure that people who dress up like cuddly forest creatures carry guns" -- "You don't think they allow [[plushophile|plushie]]s in the [[Wikipedia:National Rifle Association|NRA]]?"
* At the end of the show, "We took one look at those furry suits and thought foul play, but this was really just a domestic dispute gone mad."

== Views of the program ==

Most agreed that the number of [[fursuit]]ers and the extent to which they wore them was unrealistic (let alone the [[furpile]]!).

*[[Ursula Vernon]] made [http://www.livejournal.com/users/ursulav/102109.html#cutid1 one of the best points]:
:''I really don't blame the show for taking the weirdest possible angle, because if I were writing the show, I'd do it too. Why? Because a bunch of weirdos in costumes writhing around to porno music is waaaaay better for the ratings than an hour of slightly geeky people in T-shirts with wolves on them arguing about whether [[Wikipedia:The Lion King|the Lion King]] was a better movie than [[Wikipedia:Watership Down|Watership Down]].''
*[[Bennie Tiger]] was also not surprised, and noted that [http://www.livejournal.com/users/bigtig/13890.html at least it was balanced in many ways]
*[[KinkyTurtle]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/kinkyturtle/92527.html amused by the PafCon schedule], and the location (''CSI: As If Furry Cons Could Afford Las Vegas'')
*[[Rigel]] [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rigelkitty/126319.html disagreed with the choice of subject matter], but thought it was funny
*[[Lucite Vixen]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/queenofstripes/434980.html amused rather than angered]
*[[2|2 the Ranting Gryphon]] has expressed amusement in the show on [[2 Sense]], claiming that it's controversial among furries because it's somewhat accurate.
*[[Xydexx]] thought [http://www.livejournal.com/users/xydexx/256189.html people outside the fandom probably didn't care all that much]
*:''There's a saying that puts the whole CSI mess into perspective: "You wouldn't care so much about what people thought about you if you knew how rarely they did."''
*:''Google Groups search from September 1-November 30, 2003:
*:''References to "CSI" on alt.fan.furry: 909
*:''References to "furry" on alt.tv.csi: 31
*[http://www.myspace.com/gothicyaoiluver Asia Neko] thought the show misrepresented many furry lifestylers, and many people's views of furries were tainted due to the episode.
*[[Kay Shapero]] [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/13961.html was an extra at the filming of the episode]. Once the show aired, she [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/16163.html thought that there were many gaping plot holes], and suspected that the whole storyline was so that Grissom could deliver the pun in the closing line of the episode.

It certainly wasn't '''all''' bad, as some people [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1653#3646 joined the fandom as a result].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Fur and Loathing|Fur and Loathing]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/csi.html How accurate is the episode's portrayal of furries?] by [[Peter Cat]]
* ''[http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/bw/2003/1030worst.asp Worst Family TV Show of the Week: C.S.I.]'' - more plot details
* [http://www.csiguide.com/episode.asp?csi=118 CSI - Fur and Loathing] at CSIguide.com
* [http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation-General/449?chartStart=0&chartRange=500&chartOnly=true CSI page] on jumptheshark.com, where the episode is a top contender for a "[[Wikipedia:jump the shark| jump the shark]]" moment (It should be noted that most people by far don't consider the show to have jumped the shark yet)
* ''[http://www.furcentral.net/viewarticle.asp?articleid=97 Furry Convention on CSI (with video)]'' - commentary and highlights by [[Ciaran Skye]] at [[Fur Central]]
* [http://www.lildobe.net/furry/ Download of the episode] provided by [[Andrew Koch]]
* [http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=4&episode=6 Transcript of the episode]
* ''[http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20031109 As seen on TV!...]'' - ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]'' strip referring to the epsiode

== References ==
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Fur and Loathing

2008-03-29T22:48:29Z

Crassus: /* Collaboration with Southern California Furries */

{{cleanup}}
[[Image:CSI.jpg|300px|right]]
'''''[[Wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]''''' is a popular television crime drama on [[Wikipedia:CBS|CBS]] in the United States. The original series is set in Las Vegas, Nevada. Spinoff series called ''CSI: Miami'' and ''CSI: New York'' have debuted cater to those local markets.

Episode 5 of season 4, ''Fur and Loathing'' (first aired 30 October 2003), had [[character]]s [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]] and [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]] investigating the murder of a [[raccoon]] [[fursuiter]] and following the trail to a fictional [[furry]] [[convention]] called [[PafCon]]. The show portrayed furry conventions as being not much more than lectures and sex orgies, showcasing a private [[furpile]] during one scene. Gil Grissom, though, saw spiritual aspects to the fandom and even took interest to a speech and other information relating furry fandom to ancient spirituality.

== Collaboration with Southern California Furries ==

In August of 2003, the producers of CSI approached Dark Fox (now known as [[Sabre Fox]]), who was then head of the [[SoCalFurs]] Yahoo! Group, inviting local furries to participate as extras in the already-scripted and in-progress episode "featuring" furry fandom. Dark Fox made an optimistic post to the mailing list, suggesting that furries might be able to finally contribute to portraying the fandom in accurate, positive light.<ref>["Attn SoCalFurs!" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7568]</ref> Much discussion was taken up about the positive and negative consequences such an episode would bring to the furry fandom.

After compelling Dark Fox and [[Kiyo Fox]] to sign a non-disclosure agreement, the producers lent the two a copy of the draft script for review.<ref>["As promised.. a CSI Update" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7626]</ref><ref>[Second CSI Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7638]</ref>. Dark Fox quickly singled out many errors and misconceptions (which he cited as being based on the [[MTV]] Sex2K furry episode). During a follow-up meeting with CSI's director, producer, set designer, and creative director, he pointed out these errors, describing and showing real photographs of furry conventions. Nonetheless, even after being shown the truth and correcting many of the crew's perspectives (including the creator of the show), the director gave Dark Fox the ultimatum that the show would continue as previously planned.<ref>[Crew's reactions to being shown real pictures of furry conventions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref>

Yet another post described Dark Fox's frustration with the impending negative consequences that the CSI episode would have on the fandom's image, including the feeling of futility in dealing with the unmovable objectives of the director and producer.<ref>[Dark Fox's frustration http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref> Moreover, he received many "weird" emails. While most seemed supportive, he cited his concerns with being blacklisted for his efforts. Fearing retribution, he posted a public comment on Flayrah, explaining his hardships. <ref>[Dark Fox's Flayrah reply http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1640]</ref>

The episode's convention scene was shot on September 15th of 2003. Though the morale of most local furs were greatly reduced, a handful were allowed to participate as extras. Others were held back at the studio gate reportedly due to payroll concerns. The real furs dressed in normal street clothes wearing the occasional ears and tails; not one wore a fursuit. The resulting episode merely showed the real fans only for a few seconds in background shots before cutting to more prominently-shown paid actors in "fursuits", scritching each other en-mass in the lobby of the hotel.

== Quotes ==
[[Image:Pafcon shirt.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A t-shirt drawn by [[Jimmy Chin]] and produced by [[Brigus]], jokingly pretending to be from the convention featured in the CSI episode. The back side reads, "I thought it was a coyote!" (a line from the show)]]
* "It’s [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Vegas]]. People come here to be animals."
* [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]]: "Think of stuffed animals as a [[Wikipedia:Jungian_psychology|Jungian]] [[Wikipedia:Archetypes|archetype]]. What’s the one quality they possess that a man like Bob Pitt might want? . . . They’re lovable."
* (after gathering several furries in blue fursuits together) - Grissom: "I guess we're lucky blue's not a more popular color" - Fursuiter: "Hello? This is racial profiling!"
* "Sexy" (aka Bud Simmons), when asked to take "her" mask off: "I'm a lawyer, I know my rights - you can't sequester a domestic animal without due cause."
* [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]]: "Well, I like hairy chests, but I'm not about to bop a six-foot [[weasel]]!" (6 ft = 1.83 m)
* "He's a [[raccoon]]. They're all low-lifes. I mean, honestly, what do they do? Screw? Eat garbage? Screw some more?"
* ". . . she helped me become . . . who I am. I always knew that I was a - something else - and Linda made it real."
* "I'm not so sure that people who dress up like cuddly forest creatures carry guns" -- "You don't think they allow [[plushophile|plushie]]s in the [[Wikipedia:National Rifle Association|NRA]]?"
* At the end of the show, "We took one look at those furry suits and thought foul play, but this was really just a domestic dispute gone mad."

== Views of the program ==

Most agreed that the number of [[fursuit]]ers and the extent to which they wore them was unrealistic (let alone the [[furpile]]!).

*[[Ursula Vernon]] made [http://www.livejournal.com/users/ursulav/102109.html#cutid1 one of the best points]:
:''I really don't blame the show for taking the weirdest possible angle, because if I were writing the show, I'd do it too. Why? Because a bunch of weirdos in costumes writhing around to porno music is waaaaay better for the ratings than an hour of slightly geeky people in T-shirts with wolves on them arguing about whether [[Wikipedia:The Lion King|the Lion King]] was a better movie than [[Wikipedia:Watership Down|Watership Down]].''
*[[Bennie Tiger]] was also not surprised, and noted that [http://www.livejournal.com/users/bigtig/13890.html at least it was balanced in many ways]
*[[KinkyTurtle]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/kinkyturtle/92527.html amused by the PafCon schedule], and the location (''CSI: As If Furry Cons Could Afford Las Vegas'')
*[[Rigel]] [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rigelkitty/126319.html disagreed with the choice of subject matter], but thought it was funny
*[[Lucite Vixen]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/queenofstripes/434980.html amused rather than angered]
*[[2|2 the Ranting Gryphon]] has expressed amusement in the show on [[2 Sense]], claiming that it's controversial among furries because it's somewhat accurate.
*[[Xydexx]] thought [http://www.livejournal.com/users/xydexx/256189.html people outside the fandom probably didn't care all that much]
*:''There's a saying that puts the whole CSI mess into perspective: "You wouldn't care so much about what people thought about you if you knew how rarely they did."''
*:''Google Groups search from September 1-November 30, 2003:
*:''References to "CSI" on alt.fan.furry: 909
*:''References to "furry" on alt.tv.csi: 31
*[http://www.myspace.com/gothicyaoiluver Asia Neko] thought the show misrepresented many furry lifestylers, and many people's views of furries were tainted due to the episode.
*[[Kay Shapero]] [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/13961.html was an extra at the filming of the episode]. Once the show aired, she [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/16163.html thought that there were many gaping plot holes], and suspected that the whole storyline was so that Grissom could deliver the pun in the closing line of the episode.

It certainly wasn't '''all''' bad, as some people [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1653#3646 joined the fandom as a result].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Fur and Loathing|Fur and Loathing]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/csi.html How accurate is the episode's portrayal of furries?] by [[Peter Cat]]
* ''[http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/bw/2003/1030worst.asp Worst Family TV Show of the Week: C.S.I.]'' - more plot details
* [http://www.csiguide.com/episode.asp?csi=118 CSI - Fur and Loathing] at CSIguide.com
* [http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation-General/449?chartStart=0&chartRange=500&chartOnly=true CSI page] on jumptheshark.com, where the episode is a top contender for a "[[Wikipedia:jump the shark| jump the shark]]" moment (It should be noted that most people by far don't consider the show to have jumped the shark yet)
* ''[http://www.furcentral.net/viewarticle.asp?articleid=97 Furry Convention on CSI (with video)]'' - commentary and highlights by [[Ciaran Skye]] at [[Fur Central]]
* [http://www.lildobe.net/furry/ Download of the episode] provided by [[Andrew Koch]]
* [http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=4&episode=6 Transcript of the episode]
* ''[http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20031109 As seen on TV!...]'' - ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]'' strip referring to the epsiode

== References ==
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Fur and Loathing

2008-03-29T22:39:26Z

Crassus: /* Collaboration with Southern California Furries */

{{cleanup}}
[[Image:CSI.jpg|300px|right]]
'''''[[Wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]''''' is a popular television crime drama on [[Wikipedia:CBS|CBS]] in the United States. The original series is set in Las Vegas, Nevada. Spinoff series called ''CSI: Miami'' and ''CSI: New York'' have debuted cater to those local markets.

Episode 5 of season 4, ''Fur and Loathing'' (first aired 30 October 2003), had [[character]]s [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]] and [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]] investigating the murder of a [[raccoon]] [[fursuiter]] and following the trail to a fictional [[furry]] [[convention]] called [[PafCon]]. The show portrayed furry conventions as being not much more than lectures and sex orgies, showcasing a private [[furpile]] during one scene. Gil Grissom, though, saw spiritual aspects to the fandom and even took interest to a speech and other information relating furry fandom to ancient spirituality.

== Collaboration with Southern California Furries ==

In August of 2003, the producers of CSI approached Dark Fox (now known as [[Sabre Fox]]), who was then head of the [[SoCalFurs]] Yahoo! Group, inviting local furries to participate as extras in the already-scripted and in-progress episode "featuring" furry fandom. Dark Fox made an optimistic post to the mailing list, suggesting that furries might be able to finally contribute to portraying the fandom in accurate, positive light.<ref>["Attn SoCalFurs!" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7568]</ref> Much discussion was taken up about the positive and negative consequences such an episode would bring to the furry fandom.

After compelling Dark Fox and [[Kiyo Fox]] to sign a non-disclosure agreement, the producers lent the two a copy of the draft script for review.<ref>["As promised.. a CSI Update" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7626]</ref><ref>[Second CSI Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7638]</ref>. Dark Fox quickly singled out many errors and misconceptions (which he cited as being based on the [[MTV]] Sex2K furry episode). During a follow-up meeting with CSI's director, producer, set designer, and creative director, he pointed out these errors, describing and showing real photographs of furry conventions. Nonetheless, even after being shown the truth and correcting many of the crew's perspectives (including the creator of the show), the director gave Dark Fox the ultimatum that the show would continue as previously planned.<ref>[Crew's reactions to being shown real pictures of furry conventions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref>

Yet another post described Dark Fox's frustration with the impending negative consequences that the CSI episode would have on the fandom's image, including the feeling of futility in dealing with the unmovable objectives of the director and producer.<ref>[Dark Fox's frustration http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref> Moreover, after receiving tons of "weird" emails, Dark Fox also made a damage control comment on Flayrah, explaining the hardships of continuing negotiations with the crew. <ref>[Dark Fox's Flayrah reply http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1640]</ref>

The episode's convention scene was shot on September 15th of 2003. Though the morale of most local furs were greatly reduced, a handful were allowed to participate as extras. Others were held back at the studio gate reportedly due to payroll concerns. The real furs dressed in normal street clothes with the occasional ears and tails; not one wore a fursuit. The resulting episode featured furries only for a few seconds in background shots before showing paid actors in "fursuits" scritching each other en mass in the lobby of the hotel.

== Quotes ==
[[Image:Pafcon shirt.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A t-shirt drawn by [[Jimmy Chin]] and produced by [[Brigus]], jokingly pretending to be from the convention featured in the CSI episode. The back side reads, "I thought it was a coyote!" (a line from the show)]]
* "It’s [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Vegas]]. People come here to be animals."
* [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]]: "Think of stuffed animals as a [[Wikipedia:Jungian_psychology|Jungian]] [[Wikipedia:Archetypes|archetype]]. What’s the one quality they possess that a man like Bob Pitt might want? . . . They’re lovable."
* (after gathering several furries in blue fursuits together) - Grissom: "I guess we're lucky blue's not a more popular color" - Fursuiter: "Hello? This is racial profiling!"
* "Sexy" (aka Bud Simmons), when asked to take "her" mask off: "I'm a lawyer, I know my rights - you can't sequester a domestic animal without due cause."
* [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]]: "Well, I like hairy chests, but I'm not about to bop a six-foot [[weasel]]!" (6 ft = 1.83 m)
* "He's a [[raccoon]]. They're all low-lifes. I mean, honestly, what do they do? Screw? Eat garbage? Screw some more?"
* ". . . she helped me become . . . who I am. I always knew that I was a - something else - and Linda made it real."
* "I'm not so sure that people who dress up like cuddly forest creatures carry guns" -- "You don't think they allow [[plushophile|plushie]]s in the [[Wikipedia:National Rifle Association|NRA]]?"
* At the end of the show, "We took one look at those furry suits and thought foul play, but this was really just a domestic dispute gone mad."

== Views of the program ==

Most agreed that the number of [[fursuit]]ers and the extent to which they wore them was unrealistic (let alone the [[furpile]]!).

*[[Ursula Vernon]] made [http://www.livejournal.com/users/ursulav/102109.html#cutid1 one of the best points]:
:''I really don't blame the show for taking the weirdest possible angle, because if I were writing the show, I'd do it too. Why? Because a bunch of weirdos in costumes writhing around to porno music is waaaaay better for the ratings than an hour of slightly geeky people in T-shirts with wolves on them arguing about whether [[Wikipedia:The Lion King|the Lion King]] was a better movie than [[Wikipedia:Watership Down|Watership Down]].''
*[[Bennie Tiger]] was also not surprised, and noted that [http://www.livejournal.com/users/bigtig/13890.html at least it was balanced in many ways]
*[[KinkyTurtle]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/kinkyturtle/92527.html amused by the PafCon schedule], and the location (''CSI: As If Furry Cons Could Afford Las Vegas'')
*[[Rigel]] [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rigelkitty/126319.html disagreed with the choice of subject matter], but thought it was funny
*[[Lucite Vixen]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/queenofstripes/434980.html amused rather than angered]
*[[2|2 the Ranting Gryphon]] has expressed amusement in the show on [[2 Sense]], claiming that it's controversial among furries because it's somewhat accurate.
*[[Xydexx]] thought [http://www.livejournal.com/users/xydexx/256189.html people outside the fandom probably didn't care all that much]
*:''There's a saying that puts the whole CSI mess into perspective: "You wouldn't care so much about what people thought about you if you knew how rarely they did."''
*:''Google Groups search from September 1-November 30, 2003:
*:''References to "CSI" on alt.fan.furry: 909
*:''References to "furry" on alt.tv.csi: 31
*[http://www.myspace.com/gothicyaoiluver Asia Neko] thought the show misrepresented many furry lifestylers, and many people's views of furries were tainted due to the episode.
*[[Kay Shapero]] [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/13961.html was an extra at the filming of the episode]. Once the show aired, she [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/16163.html thought that there were many gaping plot holes], and suspected that the whole storyline was so that Grissom could deliver the pun in the closing line of the episode.

It certainly wasn't '''all''' bad, as some people [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1653#3646 joined the fandom as a result].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Fur and Loathing|Fur and Loathing]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/csi.html How accurate is the episode's portrayal of furries?] by [[Peter Cat]]
* ''[http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/bw/2003/1030worst.asp Worst Family TV Show of the Week: C.S.I.]'' - more plot details
* [http://www.csiguide.com/episode.asp?csi=118 CSI - Fur and Loathing] at CSIguide.com
* [http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation-General/449?chartStart=0&chartRange=500&chartOnly=true CSI page] on jumptheshark.com, where the episode is a top contender for a "[[Wikipedia:jump the shark| jump the shark]]" moment (It should be noted that most people by far don't consider the show to have jumped the shark yet)
* ''[http://www.furcentral.net/viewarticle.asp?articleid=97 Furry Convention on CSI (with video)]'' - commentary and highlights by [[Ciaran Skye]] at [[Fur Central]]
* [http://www.lildobe.net/furry/ Download of the episode] provided by [[Andrew Koch]]
* [http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=4&episode=6 Transcript of the episode]
* ''[http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20031109 As seen on TV!...]'' - ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]'' strip referring to the epsiode

== References ==
{{rating-nc17-button}}
<references />

[[Category: Media coverage]][[Category:Television programs]]
{{Featured article}}
[[cs:Kriminálka_Las_Vegas]]

Fur and Loathing

2008-03-29T22:34:07Z

Crassus: /* Collaboration with Southern California Furries */

{{cleanup}}
[[Image:CSI.jpg|300px|right]]
'''''[[Wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]''''' is a popular television crime drama on [[Wikipedia:CBS|CBS]] in the United States. The original series is set in Las Vegas, Nevada. Spinoff series called ''CSI: Miami'' and ''CSI: New York'' have debuted cater to those local markets.

Episode 5 of season 4, ''Fur and Loathing'' (first aired 30 October 2003), had [[character]]s [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]] and [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]] investigating the murder of a [[raccoon]] [[fursuiter]] and following the trail to a fictional [[furry]] [[convention]] called [[PafCon]]. The show portrayed furry conventions as being not much more than lectures and sex orgies, showcasing a private [[furpile]] during one scene. Gil Grissom, though, saw spiritual aspects to the fandom and even took interest to a speech and other information relating furry fandom to ancient spirituality.

== Collaboration with Southern California Furries ==

In August of 2003, the producers of CSI approached Dark Fox (now known as [[Sabre Fox]]), who was then head of the [[SoCalFurs]] Yahoo! Group, inviting local furries to participate as extras in the already-scripted and in-progress episode "featuring" furry fandom. Dark Fox made an optimistic post to the mailing list, suggesting that furries might be able to finally contribute to portraying the fandom in accurate, positive light.<ref>["Attn SoCalFurs!" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7568]</ref> Much discussion was taken up about the positive and negative consequences such an episode would bring to the furry fandom.

After compelling Dark Fox and [[Kiyo Fox]] to sign a non-disclosure agreement, the producers lent the two a copy of the draft script for review.<ref>["As promised.. a CSI Update" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7626]</ref><ref>[Second CSI Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7638]</ref>. Dark Fox quickly singled out many errors and misconceptions (which he cited as being based on the [[MTV]] Sex2K furry episode). During a follow-up meeting with CSI's director, producer, set designer, and creative director, he pointed out these errors, describing and showing real photographs of furry conventions. Nonetheless, even after being shown the truth and correcting many of the crew's perspectives (including the creator of the show), the director gave Dark Fox the ultimatum that the show would continue as previously planned.<ref>[Crew's reactions to being shown real pictures of furry conventions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref>

Yet another post described Dark Fox's frustration with the impending negative consequences that the CSI episode would have on the fandom's image, including the feeling of futility in dealing with the unmovable objectives of the director and producer.<ref>[Dark Fox's frustration http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref> Moreover, after receiving tons of "weird" emails, Dark Fox also made a damage control comment on Flayrah, explaining the hardships of continuing negotiations with the crew. <ref>[Dark Fox's Flayrah reply http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1640]</ref>

The episode's convention scene was shot on September 15th of 2003. Though the morale of most local furs were greatly reduced, a handful were allowed participated as extras. Others were held back at the studio gate reportedly due to payroll concerns. The real furs dressed in normal street clothes with the occasional ears and tails; not one wore a fursuit. The resulting episode featured furries only for a few seconds in background shots before showing paid actors in "fursuits" scritching each other en mass in the lobby of the hotel.

== Quotes ==
[[Image:Pafcon shirt.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A t-shirt drawn by [[Jimmy Chin]] and produced by [[Brigus]], jokingly pretending to be from the convention featured in the CSI episode. The back side reads, "I thought it was a coyote!" (a line from the show)]]
* "It’s [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Vegas]]. People come here to be animals."
* [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]]: "Think of stuffed animals as a [[Wikipedia:Jungian_psychology|Jungian]] [[Wikipedia:Archetypes|archetype]]. What’s the one quality they possess that a man like Bob Pitt might want? . . . They’re lovable."
* (after gathering several furries in blue fursuits together) - Grissom: "I guess we're lucky blue's not a more popular color" - Fursuiter: "Hello? This is racial profiling!"
* "Sexy" (aka Bud Simmons), when asked to take "her" mask off: "I'm a lawyer, I know my rights - you can't sequester a domestic animal without due cause."
* [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]]: "Well, I like hairy chests, but I'm not about to bop a six-foot [[weasel]]!" (6 ft = 1.83 m)
* "He's a [[raccoon]]. They're all low-lifes. I mean, honestly, what do they do? Screw? Eat garbage? Screw some more?"
* ". . . she helped me become . . . who I am. I always knew that I was a - something else - and Linda made it real."
* "I'm not so sure that people who dress up like cuddly forest creatures carry guns" -- "You don't think they allow [[plushophile|plushie]]s in the [[Wikipedia:National Rifle Association|NRA]]?"
* At the end of the show, "We took one look at those furry suits and thought foul play, but this was really just a domestic dispute gone mad."

== Views of the program ==

Most agreed that the number of [[fursuit]]ers and the extent to which they wore them was unrealistic (let alone the [[furpile]]!).

*[[Ursula Vernon]] made [http://www.livejournal.com/users/ursulav/102109.html#cutid1 one of the best points]:
:''I really don't blame the show for taking the weirdest possible angle, because if I were writing the show, I'd do it too. Why? Because a bunch of weirdos in costumes writhing around to porno music is waaaaay better for the ratings than an hour of slightly geeky people in T-shirts with wolves on them arguing about whether [[Wikipedia:The Lion King|the Lion King]] was a better movie than [[Wikipedia:Watership Down|Watership Down]].''
*[[Bennie Tiger]] was also not surprised, and noted that [http://www.livejournal.com/users/bigtig/13890.html at least it was balanced in many ways]
*[[KinkyTurtle]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/kinkyturtle/92527.html amused by the PafCon schedule], and the location (''CSI: As If Furry Cons Could Afford Las Vegas'')
*[[Rigel]] [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rigelkitty/126319.html disagreed with the choice of subject matter], but thought it was funny
*[[Lucite Vixen]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/queenofstripes/434980.html amused rather than angered]
*[[2|2 the Ranting Gryphon]] has expressed amusement in the show on [[2 Sense]], claiming that it's controversial among furries because it's somewhat accurate.
*[[Xydexx]] thought [http://www.livejournal.com/users/xydexx/256189.html people outside the fandom probably didn't care all that much]
*:''There's a saying that puts the whole CSI mess into perspective: "You wouldn't care so much about what people thought about you if you knew how rarely they did."''
*:''Google Groups search from September 1-November 30, 2003:
*:''References to "CSI" on alt.fan.furry: 909
*:''References to "furry" on alt.tv.csi: 31
*[http://www.myspace.com/gothicyaoiluver Asia Neko] thought the show misrepresented many furry lifestylers, and many people's views of furries were tainted due to the episode.
*[[Kay Shapero]] [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/13961.html was an extra at the filming of the episode]. Once the show aired, she [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/16163.html thought that there were many gaping plot holes], and suspected that the whole storyline was so that Grissom could deliver the pun in the closing line of the episode.

It certainly wasn't '''all''' bad, as some people [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1653#3646 joined the fandom as a result].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Fur and Loathing|Fur and Loathing]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/csi.html How accurate is the episode's portrayal of furries?] by [[Peter Cat]]
* ''[http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/bw/2003/1030worst.asp Worst Family TV Show of the Week: C.S.I.]'' - more plot details
* [http://www.csiguide.com/episode.asp?csi=118 CSI - Fur and Loathing] at CSIguide.com
* [http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation-General/449?chartStart=0&chartRange=500&chartOnly=true CSI page] on jumptheshark.com, where the episode is a top contender for a "[[Wikipedia:jump the shark| jump the shark]]" moment (It should be noted that most people by far don't consider the show to have jumped the shark yet)
* ''[http://www.furcentral.net/viewarticle.asp?articleid=97 Furry Convention on CSI (with video)]'' - commentary and highlights by [[Ciaran Skye]] at [[Fur Central]]
* [http://www.lildobe.net/furry/ Download of the episode] provided by [[Andrew Koch]]
* [http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=4&episode=6 Transcript of the episode]
* ''[http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20031109 As seen on TV!...]'' - ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]'' strip referring to the epsiode

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Fur and Loathing

2008-03-29T22:32:47Z

Crassus: Detailing the dealing with CSI's staff and crew.

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'''''[[Wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]''''' is a popular television crime drama on [[Wikipedia:CBS|CBS]] in the United States. The original series is set in Las Vegas, Nevada. Spinoff series called ''CSI: Miami'' and ''CSI: New York'' have debuted cater to those local markets.

Episode 5 of season 4, ''Fur and Loathing'' (first aired 30 October 2003), had [[character]]s [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]] and [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]] investigating the murder of a [[raccoon]] [[fursuiter]] and following the trail to a fictional [[furry]] [[convention]] called [[PafCon]]. The show portrayed furry conventions as being not much more than lectures and sex orgies, showcasing a private [[furpile]] during one scene. Gil Grissom, though, saw spiritual aspects to the fandom and even took interest to a speech and other information relating furry fandom to ancient spirituality.

== Collaboration with Southern California Furries ==

In August of 2003, the producers of CSI approached Dark Fox (now known as [[Sabre Fox]]), who was then head of the [[SoCalFurs]] Yahoo! Group, inviting local furries to participate as extras in the already-scripted and in-progress episode "featuring" furry fandom. Dark Fox made an optimistic post to the mailing list, suggesting that furries might be able to contribute to finally portraying the fandom in accurate, positive light.<ref>["Attn SoCalFurs!" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7568]</ref> Much discussion was taken up about the positive and negative consequences such an episode would bring to the furry fandom.

After compelling Dark Fox and [[Kiyo Fox]] to sign a non-disclosure agreement, the producers lent the two a copy of the draft script for review.<ref>["As promised.. a CSI Update" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7626]</ref><ref>[Second CSI Update http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7638]</ref>. Dark Fox quickly singled out many errors and misconceptions (which he cited as being based on the [[MTV]] Sex2K furry episode). During a follow-up meeting with CSI's director, producer, set designer, and creative director, he pointed out these errors, describing and showing real photographs of furry conventions. Nonetheless, even after being shown the truth and correcting many of the crew's perspectives (including the creator of the show), the director gave Dark Fox the ultimatum that the show would continue as previously planned.<ref>[Crew's reactions to being shown real pictures of furry conventions http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref>

Yet another post described Dark Fox's frustration with the impending negative consequences that the CSI episode would have on the fandom's image, including the feeling of futility in dealing with the unmovable objectives of the director and producer.<ref>[Dark Fox's frustration http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCalFurs/message/7648]</ref> Moreover, after receiving tons of "weird" emails, Dark Fox also made a damage control comment on Flayrah, explaining the hardships of continuing negotiations with the crew. <ref>[Dark Fox's Flayrah reply http://www.flayrah.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1640]</ref>

The episode's convention scene was shot on September 15th of 2003. Though the morale of most local furs were greatly reduced, a handful were allowed participated as extras. Others were held back at the studio gate reportedly due to payroll concerns. The real furs dressed in normal street clothes with the occasional ears and tails; not one wore a fursuit. The resulting episode featured furries only for a few seconds in background shots before showing paid actors in "fursuits" scritching each other en mass in the lobby of the hotel.

== Quotes ==
[[Image:Pafcon shirt.jpg|thumb|right|220px|A t-shirt drawn by [[Jimmy Chin]] and produced by [[Brigus]], jokingly pretending to be from the convention featured in the CSI episode. The back side reads, "I thought it was a coyote!" (a line from the show)]]
* "It’s [[Wikipedia:Las Vegas|Vegas]]. People come here to be animals."
* [[Wikipedia:Gil Grissom|Gil Grissom]]: "Think of stuffed animals as a [[Wikipedia:Jungian_psychology|Jungian]] [[Wikipedia:Archetypes|archetype]]. What’s the one quality they possess that a man like Bob Pitt might want? . . . They’re lovable."
* (after gathering several furries in blue fursuits together) - Grissom: "I guess we're lucky blue's not a more popular color" - Fursuiter: "Hello? This is racial profiling!"
* "Sexy" (aka Bud Simmons), when asked to take "her" mask off: "I'm a lawyer, I know my rights - you can't sequester a domestic animal without due cause."
* [[Wikipedia:Catherine Willows|Catherine Willows]]: "Well, I like hairy chests, but I'm not about to bop a six-foot [[weasel]]!" (6 ft = 1.83 m)
* "He's a [[raccoon]]. They're all low-lifes. I mean, honestly, what do they do? Screw? Eat garbage? Screw some more?"
* ". . . she helped me become . . . who I am. I always knew that I was a - something else - and Linda made it real."
* "I'm not so sure that people who dress up like cuddly forest creatures carry guns" -- "You don't think they allow [[plushophile|plushie]]s in the [[Wikipedia:National Rifle Association|NRA]]?"
* At the end of the show, "We took one look at those furry suits and thought foul play, but this was really just a domestic dispute gone mad."

== Views of the program ==

Most agreed that the number of [[fursuit]]ers and the extent to which they wore them was unrealistic (let alone the [[furpile]]!).

*[[Ursula Vernon]] made [http://www.livejournal.com/users/ursulav/102109.html#cutid1 one of the best points]:
:''I really don't blame the show for taking the weirdest possible angle, because if I were writing the show, I'd do it too. Why? Because a bunch of weirdos in costumes writhing around to porno music is waaaaay better for the ratings than an hour of slightly geeky people in T-shirts with wolves on them arguing about whether [[Wikipedia:The Lion King|the Lion King]] was a better movie than [[Wikipedia:Watership Down|Watership Down]].''
*[[Bennie Tiger]] was also not surprised, and noted that [http://www.livejournal.com/users/bigtig/13890.html at least it was balanced in many ways]
*[[KinkyTurtle]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/kinkyturtle/92527.html amused by the PafCon schedule], and the location (''CSI: As If Furry Cons Could Afford Las Vegas'')
*[[Rigel]] [http://www.livejournal.com/users/rigelkitty/126319.html disagreed with the choice of subject matter], but thought it was funny
*[[Lucite Vixen]] was [http://www.livejournal.com/users/queenofstripes/434980.html amused rather than angered]
*[[2|2 the Ranting Gryphon]] has expressed amusement in the show on [[2 Sense]], claiming that it's controversial among furries because it's somewhat accurate.
*[[Xydexx]] thought [http://www.livejournal.com/users/xydexx/256189.html people outside the fandom probably didn't care all that much]
*:''There's a saying that puts the whole CSI mess into perspective: "You wouldn't care so much about what people thought about you if you knew how rarely they did."''
*:''Google Groups search from September 1-November 30, 2003:
*:''References to "CSI" on alt.fan.furry: 909
*:''References to "furry" on alt.tv.csi: 31
*[http://www.myspace.com/gothicyaoiluver Asia Neko] thought the show misrepresented many furry lifestylers, and many people's views of furries were tainted due to the episode.
*[[Kay Shapero]] [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/13961.html was an extra at the filming of the episode]. Once the show aired, she [http://kayshapero.livejournal.com/16163.html thought that there were many gaping plot holes], and suspected that the whole storyline was so that Grissom could deliver the pun in the closing line of the episode.

It certainly wasn't '''all''' bad, as some people [http://www.flayrah.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1653#3646 joined the fandom as a result].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Fur and Loathing|Fur and Loathing]] at Wikipedia

== External links ==

* [http://www.tigerden.com/infopage/furry/csi.html How accurate is the episode's portrayal of furries?] by [[Peter Cat]]
* ''[http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/publications/bw/2003/1030worst.asp Worst Family TV Show of the Week: C.S.I.]'' - more plot details
* [http://www.csiguide.com/episode.asp?csi=118 CSI - Fur and Loathing] at CSIguide.com
* [http://www.jumptheshark.com/topic/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation/Csi-Crime-Scene-Investigation-General/449?chartStart=0&chartRange=500&chartOnly=true CSI page] on jumptheshark.com, where the episode is a top contender for a "[[Wikipedia:jump the shark| jump the shark]]" moment (It should be noted that most people by far don't consider the show to have jumped the shark yet)
* ''[http://www.furcentral.net/viewarticle.asp?articleid=97 Furry Convention on CSI (with video)]'' - commentary and highlights by [[Ciaran Skye]] at [[Fur Central]]
* [http://www.lildobe.net/furry/ Download of the episode] provided by [[Andrew Koch]]
* [http://www.crimelab.nl/transcripts.php?series=1&season=4&episode=6 Transcript of the episode]
* ''[http://www.graphxpress.com/cgi-bin/wcotp.cgi?date=20031109 As seen on TV!...]'' - ''[[West Corner Of the Park (comic)|West Corner Of the Park]]'' strip referring to the epsiode

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Talk:The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T23:38:32Z

Crassus: /* So, what to do? */

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(And by "best" we mean "best" in the furry sense, ie "most drama.") -- [[User:Skiltek|Tek Skiltaire]] 19:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
:See the link above for why it was selected. The drama you speak of actually wasn't a big part of the decision to feature the article (that section was smaller then, anyway) - but it ''is'' part of the history of the area. The article would be lessened without mentioning why there was a changeover in ownership. In this particular case I think a simplified summary is likely to be biased towards one particular point of view, so I'd rather we err on the side of giving too much information than too little. As long as nobody feels they've been unfairly represented, I don't see the problem. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 20:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
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I've made changes to the Dispute portion of the article to clear up some details and give more details on those sections which might be considered ambiguous and/or biased and/or subject to subsequent rumors.

I think it's also important to know that every bit of information I've posted regarding this issue is a matter of public knowledge already.

Do I admit that I was acting like an ass to Ben back then? Absolutely. I've apologized to him since then, however, apparently, there seems to still be a lot of anger on his part, however, I really dispise that he still sees this in such a way where he can alter history and spread disinformation.

The reason why I even bring up this subject is simply because it's always remained unresolved in my mind. I cared for the treehouse immensely and would have still been in charge of the place until this day, had I not allowed others to share the character password. This has affected the outcome of the treehouse since then, and the damaging of my name in many people's eyes. I've made every attempt to write this from an NPOV and historical perspective. I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and are welcome to make whatever changes they feel is necessary to make this article even more NPOV in those areas I might be biased, however, I will fight to keep this section up, because it DID happen. I WAS part of the Treehouse's history and will not be erased from it because of personal grievances. --[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 18:54, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Ben's Dispute==

The deleted sections were due to blaring inaccuracies made to stir up drama. They were added by Crassus, who is apparently still bitter that he no longer has a part in the treehouse, and refuses to think that his removal was in any way his own fault. So he decides to add some revised history, in an attempt to reinsert himself into the secretmoon history.
:First things first - if you're going to put up a note of this nature, be '''bold''' enough to leave it up.

:Second of all, WikiFur is not the place to resolve issues of this nature. If you have a problem with Crassus, I'd suggest taking it up with him.

:Third, do you have a source showing your statement is accurate? [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 05:13, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::First. I thought I had responded in the wrong area. Hence, why I deleted it.

:::You got it right the first time. It's almost always best to debate topics on the discussion pages - that's what they're there for. :-)

::::Force of habit.. I try to keep drama and disagreements private. I don't deal with public disagreements very well. - Ben (who is using a terminal-based web browser which won't stay logged in)

::Second. No, it's not. But airing personal drama is pretty useless, too. [[User:68.15.19.166|68.15.19.166]]

:::From what I've read, it must be at least part of the history of the Treehouse, and probably a significant part - changes between owners are often troublesome. It has meaning for at least two people. Most likely, it has affected other people as well, and is of interest to others. The story of the Treehouse is not going to be complete without it.

::Third. Well, yeah. Me. Being the current owner of the treehouse, and very much present during the whole thing, I'm pretty sure I have a pretty reliable source of information. --[[User:Bencoon|Bencoon]] 05:31, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::You are also a person who is directly involved in the dispute that is mentioned. With all due respect, we have to consider that you may be biased (just as we must consider that Crassus is probably biased). See below, but note that as always on Wikifur, presentation of evidence (newsgroup/forum postings and the like) and characterisation of disputes is the appropriate route, rather than removal of ostensibly valid information. It appears that Crassus at least attempted to do the latter. Perhaps you could do the former?

::::After a while, I got tired of cleaning up after him. But hey, I can do it again. - Ben

:Please do not attempt to just remove history because you have (eg) fallen out with another person. If that history is ''inaccurate'', you can correct it, but removing it altogether is not appropriate. Evidently there '''was''' a disagreement at one point - so please help us document it, clearly and factually, in a way that nobody can disagree with the account. If there are parts that people disagree over, you should state what one group believes, and what another group believes, and show the evidence of this belief. There are probably newsgroup postings on this topic which you could reference. Ultimately, it may come down to "X says A, and Y says B" . . . and if that's actually their positions, then it's appropriate to leave it there.

:The ultimate test is fact. If there is a statement such as "person X did Y", and it is true, then it should be in the article. To remove it without cause is wrong. From what I can see there were many such facts that were removed. Of course, perhaps you have facts of your own to add, or you would like to dispute those facts - you are welcome to do so, especially when backed up with evidence from somewhere else.

:If you feel you are in the right, have the courage of your convictions, and trust that other people will agree when presented with the unadorned facts. If you ''don't'' think they will . . . well, maybe you should reconsider your position. I am particularly troubled by your statement about Crassus "reinserting" himself into history, which implies that someone - I'm guessing yourself - removed him to start with. You cannot do that here. If he "no longer has a part", then you should specify what that part was and why things changed, not pretend he never was a part. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:48, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::'''Please remember to sign your edits on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> for your name or <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> for your name and date/time.''' - Its very hard to follow all this without names. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 07:08, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Request for Deletion of History==
The history posted is inaccurate and contains personal attacks on several people. It is further written by one of the participants in the argument in an intentionally inflammatory way. It states people's reasons for their actions and provides no references to support these accusations. I could easily rewrite the article from my point of view which would end up being equally as unflattering to Crassus. Crassus's claim of writing in a neutral viewpoint is, well, rather difficult to swallow.

Is the time period important to the tree house? Sure. Should it be documented? Sure. In the format of a flame by Crassus? No. I'd rewrite it myself but it would just come out with my viewpoint on it and be no more neutral than Crassus's, though I'd like to believe a bit less inflammatory... or maybe not. I'm not sure.

But leaving what amounts to a flame stated as fact on WikiFur just tarnishes the site's reputation. IMHO. --[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 18:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:Firstly, I'm assuming that you mean that you wish to alter the current version's section on the history, and not to request deletion of prior revisions (commonly referred to as the "page history"). The latter would not be granted as it is not an article about a person, and there is no real-life personal information (such as phone number, names or addresses) in the history article.

:You are welcome to contribute to the article, as Crassus has done, especially if you feel you feel that it inaccurately represents people's actions or motives. Such things are hard to quantify, although it is often worthwhile stating what the people concerned ''thought'' the motives were, in order to explain their subsequent actions. Alternatively, you could comment here on specific factual errors or omissions, or wording you feel is inappropriate (though if it gets to the point where we're talking about wording, it's probably easier for you to show us the wording you feel ''is'' appropriate by just editing the article).

:As for our reputation . . . well, to be honest I'd rather the site had a reputation for inflammatory coverage of events rather than a reputation for removing such coverage when one side wrote it and the other side didn't like what they wrote. Instead, we try to warn the reader that not everyone agrees with the current treatment, which is why there's a controversy tag on that section. Of course, I'd like it far ''more'' if we had the reputation of being a site where people could come to some agreement on such topics of contention, and that is why we encourage discussion and free editing of such topics by all parties.

:It is not impossible to write an article that is both inclusive and neutral, as long as people's opinions are represented as such, and all opinions are noted. There may never be agreement on some topics, but it's certainly possible to "agree to disagree" by stating the views of both sides. The issue is getting all those people onto one page. So far, both Ben and Crassus have had a crack at it. I suggest you do so as well, if you have the time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 18:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

::You are correct that I am not referring to the page history. A bitchfest in an article is hardly reason to purge a page history.

::I fear that if I were to correct the article, even trying to remain neutral as humanly possible, it would end up causing a cycle of edits. It may be impossible for the three people who are directly involved, Ben, Crassus and myself, to ever come to a consensus on what happened. We each have very different beliefs of what went on, and even more so, WHY. And unfortunately there are very few, if any, outside observers that can give an unbiased view.

::On the subject of having a ''reputation for inflammatory coverage of events rather than a reputation for removing such coverage'' does that really carry over to what is clearly a personal attack written by one side of an argument? Clearly it is your site, and your welcome to that position, but I question it's value to the fandom your trying to serve. --[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 19:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:::The "cycle of edits" is what makes wiki articles better. Over time, these tend to converge to a point where each party is perhaps not wholly satisfied with an article, but can at least live with its representation of their opinions. This usually works best when editors build on each other's edits rather than trying to rewrite the whole thing, although it's occasionally necessary to do so.

:::We don't want personal attacks. But we don't want to remove valid information, either, and there's a difference between stating an opinion and accepting that information as truth. If there is a personal attack - in particular, a statement of fact that is not true, and which has a defamatory result - rewrite it so that it is not a personal attack, while preserving the underlying facts that made it interesting to read in the first place.

:::Often, the only problem with an article is that the other opinions are not stated as well. It ''is'' possible to represent wildly different beliefs in the same work - e.g. you could say "WhiteFire says that he toaded Crassus's character solely on the basis of breaking the rule of character sharing, while Crassus claims that it was due to personal animosity." Both of these statements may be true at once, because they are statements about differing opinions. That is why a lot of the lines currently start like this: "Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair." - rather than: "WhiteFire's handling of the situation was unprofessional and unfair." The problem is there's no counterbalancing statement of your own opinion. If there is a published statement by you on the topic, then we could refer to that, otherwise editing the article yourself to insert it is probably the most direct way. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 19:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:::In case you've not already seen it, there's a large body of information on writing neutrally at [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|Wikipedia's NPOV page]]. In their terms, Crassus' opinions are probably being given undue weight, because they are included more than your own, even though they may not be presented as fact. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 19:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Note in this edit I removed direct quotes other than those I could verify and/or authorize for distribution. Other quoted text (such as what was claimed JadeWizard said) is a violation of the Muck's copyright to post. The two official wizard announcements I do however have the rights to release to this. It's probably not the best comprise, but it's the best I can do in a first edit. --[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 20:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Thank you for your efforts - and, in particular, the addition of the official statements, which were lacking in previous versions. The article appears better now. I would note that while technically a violation of copyright, short quotes of statements made by officials for the purpose of review or commentary are normally taken to be a [http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/faq-ip.php fair use] of those statements (as opposed to - say - copying a room or character description wholesale for use on another MUCK by someone else, which would certainly not be). Given that wizards have specific and separate accounts for their "official duties", they should probably expect that statements made by them might be published elsewhere and commented upon, just as public representatives of a company would expect to be quoted on what they said. Of course, the MUCK may have rules against doing so which could result in internal sanctions, but that is a separate matter. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 20:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::I still think having a lengthy discussion about how he was toaded/banned is a bit silly on an article where it for all rights should be a footnote: Crassus was banned from Tapestries at this time and thus not considered for ownership of the area. If anything that sort of discussion SHOULD go into the [[Crassus]] page, but that page is locked as per his request for privacy. Airing this sort of laundry elsewhere seems to violate that, in fact... of course, he wrote it in the first place, so *shrug*. --[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 20:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::::This is really one of the disadvantages of locking pages about people - it gets hard to figure out what should and should not be included, and where. I don't like locking pages, but it seems to further our goals more than forcing people to covered in depth whether they like it or not. We avoid doing so when we feel it to be a matter of public interest (which is very rare, and even then always contentious). Of course, certain conclusions may be drawn by a person who goes to read about someone and then finds that they have declined coverage; and as you say, if someone decides to bring something up themselves elsewhere, it's fair game.

:::::::I think the information does at least help the reader understand why Crassus embarked upon a campaign of protest, though that doesn't mean they would come to the conclusion that he was right to do so. Which is, of course, the point - we want readers to understand the reasoning of others, rather than force them to a particular conclusion. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 21:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::::The number of colons involved here is making me really wish they would finish the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LiquidThreads LiquidThreads] project. Anyway...

::::::::Considering the controversial nature of the subject and the fact that he does insist on bringing up his involvement in fandom publicly in other pages I am kinda curious why that request was even granted. Taking Sibe as an example, some people who have had an involvement in fandom you've not even given a choice about their RL information (at least when it's public record.) Crassus has had a notable impact on furry fandom here and there, positive or negative at times depending on one's POV. I mean, it's no skin off my nose one way or the other since the rest of his exploits (other than this and [[SCALF]]) thankfully don't involve me personally. It just seems inconsistent to what you do with other people. --[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 11:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::When I say rare, I mean really rare. There have been two key reasons so far - a history of physical violence (generally to the point where the police have been involved) that makes it seem that they could be a danger to others, or a documented history of serious art commission problems, either on the seller or buyer's side (usually nonpayment or noncompletion). A personal exclusion does not involve excising every detail, just the page about them. Impact here and there can be dealt with on the pages concerned. For example, a comic artist can ask to be excluded, but that would not preclude mentioning their name on the article about the comic (we would use their nickname if they used one). In the above two cases, the person themselves is the subject of note, so they cannot be removed. To the best of my knowledge Crassus does not fit either of these. Now, there may be other reasons that would also convince the community that an exception should be made, but if so that would be better discussed at [[Talk:Crassus]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 14:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::::::Ahhhhh, ok, I think I understand how the policy works there now. Cool. :) -[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 18:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==
I did cr/lf conversion for quotations.

BTW, this pasting of MUCK logs possibly violates Tapestries nondisclosure agreement. There should be a statement from Whitefire in the article that it is OK.
::--[[User:Skiltek|Tek Skiltaire]] 21:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Considering [[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] added those posts [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=The_Astonishing_Treehouse_of_the_Secret_Moon&diff=128714&oldid=126229 himself], I'd say he thinks it appropriate. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 21:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:If you are going to add the cleanup template to the page, maybe you should post something to the talk page explaining why? Especially if it's on an article that is listed as a featured article? (Mind you I think half the article should be outright deleted, but that discussion is above.)

::One does not question why one should eat when hungry; nor does one question why birds scatter when spooked. Likewise, one does not question why an article should be cleaned up when it is a horrible mess, one simply does it.
:::[[User:Skiltek|Tek Skiltaire]] 19:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

:My approval for the wizard's comment being posted is not only (as noted above) granted implicitly by my posting it myself, but also directly mentioned by me in the above talk-spam that accompanies the article.-[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 00:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

:Oh, the edits to the width of the board postings is a good thing, it's more in keeping with what users on the Muck would actually see (most users run at around 80 characters wide.) Nice thought. Probably was also forcing the screen too wide on laptops and such. -[[User:WhiteFire|WhiteFire]] 00:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Biased and unprovable subjects ==

It wouldn't be the first time someone's accused me of being biased in an article; and, it wouldn't be the first time I've admitted TO being biased. But here's the deal: Everyone has a bias, no matter the subject. When addressing controversial topics and articles, all one can do is make a crack at it, and eventually there will be a somewhat mediated article between multiple parties. That's the beauty of a Wiki.

I think that I was unjustly treated by an admin. He thinks that he rid his muck of a pest. Who's telling the truth?

=== Policy ===

At the time that Lori'Anne gave me her building character, neither of us knew that the character-sharing rule had changed. To the best of my knowledge, there was no announcement to existing users of policy change. When I registered my character, this is what the registration page looked like: [http://web.archive.org/web/19970713215252/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1997 Registration Page]. Somewhere between 1997 and 1999, it changed to this: [http://web.archive.org/web/19990508161518/http://www.fur.com/tapestries/ 1999 Registration Page].

My claim of the in-world policy help file is true. Whitefire is attempting to say that I'm foolish for thinking there was such a thing. Unfortunately, Whitefire has had plenty of time and power to edit and cover up the evidence. All I can say is, there was in fact an in-world policy info file at that time which specifically talked about how it was alright to share characters. It's obvious now that Whitefire had lost track of that obscure policy file, but how the heck was I supposed to know that? Both Lori and I made an honest mistake, but Whitefire thought it better to just @toad me. No group decision was made. No one got to hear my side of the issue.

Whitefire is claiming that he consulted with Blackwizard before @toading me. BS. Blackwizard wasn't even online at the time, and I was @toaded within half an hour of #mailing White. The only wiz I had spoken to before my ban was Jade, and she had lent me a wary warning about Whitefire's temper. The rest of the wiz core was in their eternal sleep-mode. There was no trial, no hearing, and to the best of my knowledge, no group decision. Bam. Toaded. If in the unlikely event that what he's saying is true, it's just more proof that he was attempting to taint an administrative decision with personal grievances. I wasn't there to defend myself.

=== Site-Banned for harassment? ===

According to Jade's bulletin post cited on the article: "he took advantage of his ability to remain on Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original administrative action."

First off, I was never told during my @toad that I could return to the muck.

Secondly, in what way does petitioning to the public against unfair treatment constitute harassment?? In the emails sent to me directly afterward, Whitefire conducted himself in a very unprofessional manner, essentially ranting to me about how awful I was and how righteous he was. They were not "private" emails; they were administrative emails. I had not agreed to any form of non-disclosure. If he doesn't want people to see how crappy he treats others behind the scenes, he should watch his mouth a bit more. It's karma, dude.

I made the mistake of thinking that going to the Tavern and posting a bulletin with a link to the unprofessional emails he sent me would successfully call attention to his behavior. No one gave a damn, of course. I mean, it was the Tavern. Half the people hanging out there were stuck-up elitists. Whitefire thought the same. It was his given reason for demolishing the place.

=== So, what to do? ===

I'm realizing that my current attempts to further edit and balance this article are virtually impossible. I'm claiming things. He's claiming things. There's no way for either of us to prove any of this stuff. His position of power in this on-going feud is a conflict of interest. He can delete anything on the muck that he wants to and threaten me in any way he wants to. All I know is, I'm far from the only person who's held complaint against him for abusing his power.

What do we do about this article? I'm up for ideas.

--[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 08:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

:From a policy point of view, if something is disputed and unverifiable, often it's better not to say anything. Taking the reader into consideration, it also makes sense; it's unlikely they wish to read about seven-year-old drama. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 08:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

::Of course, nobody's forcing our readers to read it if they don't want to. There's a reason it's at the bottom of the page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 09:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not quite sure what problem you're trying to state, other than pointing out some areas which are disputed assertions as opposed to accepted facts. You are welcome to edit such assertions to clarify this.
:I do think the current version of this section has undue weight due to its size. This might be helped by factoring out the statements into a separate subpage, summarizing them, and using inline references to it. It is right to keep them around, but they don't have to be taking up the space that they do. That alone would cut size by 1/3.
:I'm not too concerned about providing an ultimate resolution to an unresolved difference of opinion. Our purpose is not to seek an ultimate truth or even a happy medium in such matters (usually we've got it right when all parties are equally ''un''happy). Mutually exclusive opinions need merely be stated like any other.
:Moreover, you could both be "telling the truth" in the specific case you raise:
:*As far as I know, Tapestries MUCK is not a democratic institution, so who decides what is unjust? In that kind of system I would think it falls to those in power to make the rules, and interpret them as they see fit. Naturally those without such power might have a different view.
:*Whether or not WhiteFire's actions were unjust in your eyes (or in those of others), it appears clear that in ''his'' eyes you were "a pest". If so, it is likely that he viewed his actions as the simplest solution to the problem, and quite possible that he saw it as a good thing for the MUCK as a whole.
:Others might agree with these views - or they might not. That's what makes it a matter of opinion. Same for definitions of harassment, elitism, or the appropriate action to take when you have been toaded (in a manner you deem unjust, or otherwise). It seems like you're looking to us to resolve these questions. If so, I regret to inform you that we cannot. We were not there, we are not involved, we are not a jury to determine right or wrong; we merely attempt to report and accurately summarize viewpoints without bias or favour. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 11:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Nah, that would be silly for me to expect you to know what to do in this situation. I just thought it fair that I leave my comments here with an open-ended question. Those who were around at the time know what happened. There were very few who paid attention. It goes with the nature of a MUCK. Everything happens behind closed doors, and I end up getting a bad rep because the head admin constantly blows his temper. It happened with myself and The Treehouse, as well as others with The Tavern, The Lining, The Mystic Stables, and The Temple of Divinity. Whenever Whitefire does something like this, there's always lots of fallout. I've just finished updating the article once again this morning. I tried really hard to cut out needless lengthy angst portions of the article and shaved it down to brass tacks. I also responded to the areas that Whitefire had edited which seemed questionable to me. I also cleaned up after his bad grammar, ambiguity, spelling, and punctuation. Honestly, I'm one to let dead dogs lie. I just get a little fumed when I come across things by happenstance and see that things are attempting to be altered again. Ohwell. Carry on. --[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 23:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T23:05:14Z

Crassus: /* Administrative Conflicts */

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

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* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
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* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
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* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
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== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

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A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. Instead, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Soon after speaking with JadeWizard, WhiteWizard (Whitefire's wizard character) appeared online. Within minutes, Crassus was [[toaded]]. The official administrative reason for toading was "character sharing", but the circumstances of this toading are highly disputed.

At the time, Crassus believed it to be acceptable MUCK policy to share characters due to an in-world global help file called "policy" which mentioned it being acceptable to share characters. Whitefire asserts that the document never stated one way or the other. He asserted that the web character registration form clearly had a clause which made new applicants agree not to transfer characters. However, at the time Crassus created his character, the web-based registration form did not yet include such verbiage.<ref>The [http://web.archive.org/web/19970713215252/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1997 Registration Page]</ref><ref>The [http://web.archive.org/web/19990427162224/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1999 Registration Page]</ref> Crassus claimed to be unaware of it, and thus never agreed to such a clause, accusing Whitefire of bad housekeeping.

At the time all of this happened, WhiteFire had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, Whitefire claims to have talked to [[BlackWizard]] for his opinion on the situation. Since BlackWizard was not online at this time, this is highly unlikely unless done off the MUCK, in person. Whitefire brought up the unrelated past personal grievances which included the following:

*Crassus was put on ignore by Whitefire while attempting to address SCALF issues.
*Five minutes after being put on #ignore, Crassus was put on an NCO for stepping into Whitefire's abode whilst he involved in a tinysex scene.
*Crassus requested through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus because it interfered with administrative contact ability.

After hearing about Whitefire's complaints, BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this. Whitefire's reply has yet to be determined.

The decision to toad Crassus was made without hearing Crassus' side of the story. Crassus was briefly informed that he was being toaded, with no explanation, and was subsequently removed from the MUCK.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events.

Crassus, not having been made aware that he was allowed to re-register under his original character name, began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), threatening him with legal action, and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
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== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

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SCALF

2008-03-10T18:53:17Z

Crassus: /* Termination */ To say the list never "recovered" makes it sound like if it's a living entity capable of surviving on its own.

'''Southern CALifornia Furries''' ('''SCALF''') was a mailing list started by [[WhiteFire]] which was actively hosted on [[fur.com]] from 1997(?) until 1999.

== History ==

The first two years its service saw very little service or users. In 1999, [[Crassus]] approached WhiteFire and asked if he could be the active moderator and maintainer for the list. Whitefire agreed, seeing as he was 400 miles north, living in the [[Wikipedia:San Francisco Bay Area|Bay Area]].

After the demise of [[SCFL]], its users were directed to SCALF by both [[Kitfox]] and Crassus.

==== Downtime ====

In 1999, Whitefire moved. He was unable to maintain the [[Wikipedia:Digital Signal 1|T1 connection]] at the new location, and the install problems of the new service caused fur.com's services, including SCALF to be down for a little less than a week. When fur.com was put back into service, most of its services were up within a week. However, some mailing lists had problems with upgrades on the system, including SCALF. The public news service also had to be dropped at this time due to bandwidth.

While [[BAF]] (Bay Area Furs Mailing List) was quickly fixed, SCALF remained down for several months. Its 100+ users were getting increasingly irritated with its absence, putting substantial pressure on Crassus to revive the list.

Crassus and WhiteFire argued about the service in question, including about it's ownerships, and demands for access to the machine and web hosting for the list. Eventually WhiteFire felt that Crassus' behavior on the subject had reached the level of harassment, and requested one of the other wizards of [[Tapestries MUCK]], where much of the bickering took place, grant him a [[no-contact-order|NCO]] against Crassus.

==== Termination ====

Whitefire never brought the list back into functionality, and was eventually terminated by [[fur.com]], although the reference to it mistakenly remained on fur.com's website until 2003 when the website was redesigned.

== SoCalFurs ==

In 2000, with the rise of [[Wikipedia:eGroups|eGroups]], the ability to maintain an email list without owning a hosting server suddenly became possible. Crassus did not create an eGroups list, not wanting to have a power struggle because of political loyalties and friendship with Kitfox.

In April of 2000, a SoCal fur named [[Alias Foxx]] who was completely untied politically, took it upon himself to create a new list which he entitled [[SoCalFurs]]. SCALF members flocked to the new mailing list in droves, ending up with a population of 100 within its first year of existence.

== External links ==

* [http://web.archive.org/web/20010201163600/www.fur.com/fur.com/services.html Outdated fur.com's service page], showing the now defunct SCALF mailing list link (retrieved April 1st, 2007 via the [[Wayback Machine]])
[[Category:Mailing lists]]
[[Category:California]]
[[Category:1997 births]]
[[Category:1999 deaths]]

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T18:45:32Z

Crassus: /* Crassus' Toading and Banning */ URL correction.

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

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* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. Instead, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Soon after speaking with JadeWizard, WhiteWizard (Whitefire's wizard character) appeared online. Within minutes, Crassus was [[toaded]]. The official administrative reason for toading was "character sharing", but the circumstances of this toading are highly disputed.

At the time, Crassus believed it to be acceptable MUCK policy to share characters due to an in-world global help file called "policy" which mentioned it being acceptable to share characters. Whitefire asserts that the document never stated one way or the other. He asserted that the web character registration form clearly had a clause which made new applicants agree not to transfer characters. However, at the time Crassus created his character, the web-based registration form did not yet include such verbiage.<ref>The [http://web.archive.org/web/19970713215252/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1997 Registration Page]</ref><ref>The [http://web.archive.org/web/19990427162224/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1999 Registration Page]</ref> Crassus claimed to be unaware of it, and thus never agreed to such a clause, accusing Whitefire of bad housekeeping.

At the time all of this happened, WhiteFire had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, Whitefire claims to have talked to [[BlackWizard]] for his opinion on the situation. Since BlackWizard was not online at this time, this is highly unlikely unless done off the MUCK, in person. Whitefire brought up the unrelated past personal grievances which included the following:

*Crassus was put on ignore by Whitefire while attempting to address SCALF issues.
*Five minutes after being put on #ignore, Crassus was put on an NCO for stepping into Whitefire's abode whilst he involved in a tinysex scene.
*Crassus requested through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus because it interfered with administrative contact ability.

After hearing about Whitefire's complaints, BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this. Whitefire's reply has yet to be determined.

The decision to toad Crassus was made without hearing Crassus' side of the story. Crassus was briefly informed that he was being toaded, with no explanation, and was subsequently removed from the MUCK.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events.

Crassus, not having been made aware that he was allowed to re-register under his original character name, began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), threatening him with legal action, and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
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<references />

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

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The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T18:35:59Z

Crassus: /* Crassus' Toading and Banning */ Redundant

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

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* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. Instead, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Soon after speaking with JadeWizard, WhiteWizard (Whitefire's wizard character) appeared online. Within minutes, Crassus was [[toaded]]. The official administrative reason for toading was "character sharing", but the circumstances of this toading are highly disputed.

At the time, Crassus believed it to be acceptable MUCK policy to share characters due to an in-world global help file called "policy" which mentioned it being acceptable to share characters. Whitefire asserts that the document never stated one way or the other. He asserted that the web character registration form clearly had a clause which made new applicants agree not to transfer characters. However, at the time Crassus created his character, the web-based registration form did not yet include such verbiage.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19970713215252/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1997 Registration Page]</ref><ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19990508161518/http://www.fur.com/tapestries/ 1999 Registration Page]</ref> Crassus claimed to be unaware of it, and thus never agreed to such a clause, accusing Whitefire of bad housekeeping.

At the time all of this happened, WhiteFire had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, Whitefire claims to have talked to [[BlackWizard]] for his opinion on the situation. Since BlackWizard was not online at this time, this is highly unlikely unless done off the MUCK, in person. Whitefire brought up the unrelated past personal grievances which included the following:

*Crassus was put on ignore by Whitefire while attempting to address SCALF issues.
*Five minutes after being put on #ignore, Crassus was put on an NCO for stepping into Whitefire's abode whilst he involved in a tinysex scene.
*Crassus requested through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus because it interfered with administrative contact ability.

After hearing about Whitefire's complaints, BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this. Whitefire's reply has yet to be determined.

The decision to toad Crassus was made without hearing Crassus' side of the story. Crassus was briefly informed that he was being toaded, with no explanation, and was subsequently removed from the MUCK.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events.

Crassus, not having been made aware that he was allowed to re-register under his original character name, began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), threatening him with legal action, and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
{{rating-nc17-button}}
<references />

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

{{featured article}}

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T18:31:00Z

Crassus: /* Crassus' Toading and Banning */ Lots of fixes + "other unrelated harassment complaints?" Care to elaborate/clarify?

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

{{rating-nc17-button2}}
* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. Instead, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Soon after speaking with JadeWizard, WhiteWizard (Whitefire's wizard character) appeared online. Within minutes, Crassus was [[toaded]]. The official administrative reason for toading was "character sharing", but the circumstances of this toading are highly disputed.

At the time, Crassus believed it to be acceptable MUCK policy to share characters due to an in-world global help file called "policy" which mentioned it being acceptable to share characters. Whitefire asserts that the document never stated one way or the other. He asserted that the web character registration form clearly had a clause which made new applicants agree not to transfer characters. However, at the time Crassus created his character, the web-based registration form did not yet include such verbiage.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19970713215252/www.fur.com/tapestries/registration.html 1997 Registration Page]</ref><ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/19990508161518/http://www.fur.com/tapestries/ 1999 Registration Page]</ref> Crassus claimed to be unaware of it, and thus never agreed to such a clause, accusing Whitefire of bad housekeeping.

At the time all of this happened, WhiteFire had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, Whitefire claims to have talked to [[BlackWizard]] for his opinion on the situation. Since BlackWizard was not online at this time, this is highly unlikely unless done off the MUCK, in person. Whitefire brought up the unrelated past personal grievances which included the following:

*Crassus was put on ignore by Whitefire while attempting to address SCALF issues.
*Five minutes after being put on #ignore, Crassus was put on an NCO for stepping into Whitefire's abode whilst he involved in a tinysex scene.
*Crassus requested through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus because it interfered with administrative contact ability.

After hearing about Whitefire's complaints, BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this. Whitefire's reply has yet to be determined.

The decision to toad Crassus was made without hearing Crassus' side of the story. Crassus was briefly informed that he was being toaded, with no explanation, and was subsequently removed from the MUCK.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events. He also felt the character sharing cited as a reason for his removal was allowed at the time that it was done.

Crassus, not having been made aware that he was allowed to re-register under his original character name, began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), threatening him with legal action, and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
{{rating-nc17-button}}
<references />

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

{{featured article}}

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T17:33:06Z

Crassus: /* Administrative Conflicts */

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

{{rating-nc17-button2}}
* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. Instead, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Crassus was toaded shortly after this request was made, thus never being considered for ownership of the Treehouse.

The circumstances of this toading are highly disputed. The official view of the wizards is that Crassus was toaded for sharing characters, in contravention of the rule against doing so. Crassus' viewpoint is that it was based on his final attempt to contact WhiteWizard in regards to the Treehouse, which was also copied to his personal character, WhiteFire. WhiteFire at the time had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, WhiteWizard talked to [[BlackWizard]] and got his opinion on the situation. BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this based on that conversation, which involved discussion of several incidents of Crassus requesting through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus, as well as the account sharing that had taken place between Crassuss, Lori'anne and others under Crassus' email account, and other unrelated harassment complaints noted in his wizlog.

The decision to toad Crassus was made and explained to him. He was subsequently removed from the Muck without opportunity to respond in person.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events. He also felt the character sharing cited as a reason for his removal was allowed at the time that it was done.
Crassus began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website. Crassus claims WhiteFire threatened him with legal action.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus remains banned from Tapestries and all of fur.com resources as of 1 April 2007.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
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<references />

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

{{featured article}}

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T17:30:36Z

Crassus: /* Conflicts */ Attempting to remove angst and quips, plus make it read a lil easier

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

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* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Administrative Conflicts===

In January of 2000, conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. During a heated exchange, Crassus made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse, but he realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all of the visitors. During the exchange, he told Ben to maintain control of the area for the time being.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two, however, conflicts arose once again when Ben began to revert the projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Instead, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from using it.

Crassus lodged a complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve, asking for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a #mail regarding the issue. Jade warned that WhiteWizard would get very upset and suggested not to tell him.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Crassus was toaded shortly after this request was made, thus never being considered for ownership of the Treehouse.

The circumstances of this toading are highly disputed. The official view of the wizards is that Crassus was toaded for sharing characters, in contravention of the rule against doing so. Crassus' viewpoint is that it was based on his final attempt to contact WhiteWizard in regards to the Treehouse, which was also copied to his personal character, WhiteFire. WhiteFire at the time had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, WhiteWizard talked to [[BlackWizard]] and got his opinion on the situation. BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this based on that conversation, which involved discussion of several incidents of Crassus requesting through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus, as well as the account sharing that had taken place between Crassuss, Lori'anne and others under Crassus' email account, and other unrelated harassment complaints noted in his wizlog.

The decision to toad Crassus was made and explained to him. He was subsequently removed from the Muck without opportunity to respond in person.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events. He also felt the character sharing cited as a reason for his removal was allowed at the time that it was done.
Crassus began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website. Crassus claims WhiteFire threatened him with legal action.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus remains banned from Tapestries and all of fur.com resources as of 1 April 2007.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
{{rating-nc17-button}}
<references />

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

{{featured article}}

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T17:21:19Z

Crassus: /* Disputed changes of ownership */ A) Is not relevant to this paragraph. B) Too many needless expansion details.

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. Founded by [[Lori'anne]] in mid-1999, it became well-known as a public area, and remains popular as of 2007. An associated website is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as a mature [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].

The area's theme is that of a slightly magical treehouse, permanently lit by the moon. The treehouse proper contains a large playroom, as well as a well-appointed bathroom and observation deck. Higher branches hold secondary sleeping platforms, along with a watchtower, while the hollowed-out basement of the tree hides an underground ball-pit. Surrounding areas include a grassy glade, a lake and a secluded pool.

In late 2000 the Treehouse became the focus of conflict between then-owner [[Crassus]] and maintainer [[Ben Raccoon]]. Escalation of the conflict led to a suspension of control, as changes in MUCK rules had rendered the existing shared-character power structure illegal. Ben was given sole ownership of the region by Tapestries [[wizard]]s a few months later, and remains in charge to this day.

{{rating-nc17-button2}}
* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000
{|
| valign="top" |
'''First Generation Staff''':
|
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Second Generation Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Crassus
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and Sarah Skunkie
|-
| valign="top" |
'''Current Staff'''
|
* '''Owner:''' Ben Raccoon
|}
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Location and description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The ''yard'' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the teleport pattern and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the ''tree'' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk.

Traveling downward, the ladder leads to a hidden ''basement'' which originally housed a rather dark area.<ref>The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)</ref> Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a [[Wikipedia:ball pit|ball pit]], perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safe haven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The ''treehouse'' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the ''bathroom'', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, along with a variety of shower-heads, hoses and nozzles. Some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide ''deck'' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden ''playroom'', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two ''sleeping platforms'' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a ''watchtower'', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to WhiteFire's mountain and Layleaux Town in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a ''lake'' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded ''pool'', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was added by Crassus while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed.

Simply put, the pool can act as a kind of time machine. It can't transport you to and fro, though - it reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim to remain unaffected by the magical properties of the pool, while those who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

Despite the theme, per MUCK rules every part of the Treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]]. [[Role-play]]ing of [[Wikipedia:Consent (BDSM)|non-consensual]] activities is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain ''secretmoon.org'' was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transferred to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed changes of ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple of months after the Treehouse became a public area, [[Lori'anne]] approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publicly announced the change of ownership onto the Treehouse bulletin board.

Crassus then met [[Ben Raccoon]] and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer of the Treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas.

===Conflicts===

In January of 2000, unrelated OOC conflicts erupted between the Crassus and Ben. In a bout of anger and self-pity, Crassus considered just "giving up" and edged on deleting his character. During an angry exchange with Ben, he also made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse. He realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all others who enjoyed the area, but still did not want to be around the place because he was upset and did not want to be near Ben (who regularly hung out there). During the exchange, he told Ben to "have" the treehouse. Crassus' intention was to also remain in charge, but at the time, this wasn't specified in the exchange.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two. While their previous relationship remained defunct, they at least became amiable. Conflicts arose once again when Ben began to alter the multiple projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved of the deletions and changes because they did not meet his standards and originally intended functionality. Ben reverted many changes back to their original format, effectively erasing Crassus' work. Crassus was very angry and confronted Ben, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Since the Treespirit password had never been changed, Crassus could have at any point simply logged onto the character and stranded Ben, but instead he approached Ben about it. After a couple of weeks of conflict, Ben changed the password to disallow Crassus from logging on as Treespirit.

Crassus lodged a formal complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute.

Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve. Jade asked for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a mail regarding the issue, to which the other wizard suggested that there might be problems referring to the account sharing.

===Crassus' Toading and Banning===

Crassus was toaded shortly after this request was made, thus never being considered for ownership of the Treehouse.

The circumstances of this toading are highly disputed. The official view of the wizards is that Crassus was toaded for sharing characters, in contravention of the rule against doing so. Crassus' viewpoint is that it was based on his final attempt to contact WhiteWizard in regards to the Treehouse, which was also copied to his personal character, WhiteFire. WhiteFire at the time had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]].

Prior to the toading decision, WhiteWizard talked to [[BlackWizard]] and got his opinion on the situation. BlackWizard asked why Crassus had not been toaded before this based on that conversation, which involved discussion of several incidents of Crassus requesting through WhiteWizard that WhiteFire drop his page #ignore of Crassus, as well as the account sharing that had taken place between Crassuss, Lori'anne and others under Crassus' email account, and other unrelated harassment complaints noted in his wizlog.

The decision to toad Crassus was made and explained to him. He was subsequently removed from the Muck without opportunity to respond in person.

The official statement made by the wizards is as follows:
7) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Toaded, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 19:02:03 10/04/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 19:03:56 10/04/01 PDT

Crassus was toaded for breaking a number of policies, including participating
in 'sharing' a single character object between players and repeatedly
circumventing no-contact orders (NCOs).

This is not acceptable behavior. The character was removed, but the player
is allowed to return to Tapestries.

Please direct questions and comments to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus viewed WhiteFire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgment, he felt WhiteFire was simply holding a grudge over unrelated events. He also felt the character sharing cited as a reason for his removal was allowed at the time that it was done.
Crassus began a public protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute, publicly displaying the multiple, unedited "chastising" emails he had received from WhiteFire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[The Tavern (Tapestries)|Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation.

WhiteFire quickly became aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars). He sent Crassus another email, indefinitely banning him from any of fur.com's services (including the website and newsgroups), and chastised Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website. Crassus claims WhiteFire threatened him with legal action.

The official statement by the [[wizards]] follows:
8) JadeWizard Today -- Crassus: Banned, Thursday October 4th 2001
From: JadeWizard 08:26:00 10/05/01 PDT
Edited by: JadeWizard 08:31:52 10/05/01 PDT

Shortly after the toading of one of his characters as strict punitive action against
a number of flagrant violations of MUCK policy, Crassus began to use his alts to
generate a 'petition' with which to address other MUCK users, hoping
to generate a democratic out-cry in support of his position. As part of this
petition, which generated multiple complaints
from other users, he also disclosed private OOC/RL email, which is a violation of
privacy as defined by MUCK policy and as defined by most adults using the Internet.

The original toading did not keep Crassus from returning to the MUCK under the same
or a different name. Instead, he took advantage of his ability to remain on
Tapestries to continue to harass and escalate the issues surrounding the original
administrative action.

Crassus demonstrated that he would not respect even one of the stiffest warnings
the administration can give a user. As such, he is permanently banned from
using TapestriesMUCK.

Questions and comments may be directed to tap-wizzes@fur.com.

Crassus remains banned from Tapestries and all of fur.com resources as of 1 April 2007.

===Eventual resolution===

The account that held the property of the Treehouse was not removed until ownership of the intellectual property could be resolved. The account was instead locked. Finally, word reached Lori'anne and she contacted the Wizards. After a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizards, possession of the Treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both he and Lori'anne were given a strong warning against further character sharing.

Ben Raccoon is still in possession of the Treehouse as of December 29th, 2007.

== References ==
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== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
[[Category:Tapestries locations|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

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Talk:The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2008-03-10T08:25:30Z

Crassus: The whole thing's cocked up.

Softpaw Magazine

2007-08-02T21:14:57Z

Crassus: /* History and staff */ Additional contributors - still needs additions

[[Image:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' is the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, and mainly features [[erotic]] art and stories about cubs.

== Issues ==

Softpaw Magazine issues are currently released on a bi-annual (6-month) basis.

=== Issue #1 ===

The first issue shipped on November 15th, 2006, and is comprised of 64 color pages.

=== Issue #2 ===

Issue two made its debut at [[Anthrocon 2007]] at an increased 80 full-color pages.

=== Issue #3 ===

Issue three is currently in production and is expected to be released at [[Further Confusion 2008]].

== History and staff ==

''Softpaw Magazine'' was founded by its editors, [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] and [[Jery Softpaw]]. Contributing artists/writers/colourists have included [[Arcc]], [[Artdecade]], [[Athalon Ferret]], [[BA]], [[Beastmaker]], [[Crassus]], [[Edis Krad]], [[End Of The World]], [[Fennec]], [[Inuki]], [[Jkal]], [[Krezz Karavan]],
[[Lando]], [[Looqdrake]], [[Papaya Kitty]], [[Shiuk]], [[Zen]], [[Zippo]].

== External links ==
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}{{Rating-nc17-button}}
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/ Softpaw Magazine] official website
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/ Softpaw Magazine] forums
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] at [[Rabbit Valley]]

[[Category:Fanzines]]
[[Category:2006 births]]

Softpaw Magazine

2007-08-02T21:10:27Z

Crassus: /* Issues */

[[Image:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' is the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, and mainly features [[erotic]] art and stories about cubs.

== Issues ==

Softpaw Magazine issues are currently released on a bi-annual (6-month) basis.

=== Issue #1 ===

The first issue shipped on November 15th, 2006, and is comprised of 64 color pages.

=== Issue #2 ===

Issue two made its debut at [[Anthrocon 2007]] at an increased 80 full-color pages.

=== Issue #3 ===

Issue three is currently in production and is expected to be released at [[Further Confusion 2008]].

== History and staff ==

''Softpaw Magazine'' was founded by its editors, [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] and [[Jery Softpaw]]. Contributing artists/writers/colourists have included [[Zippo]], [[End Of The World]], [[BA]], [[Jkal]], [[Beastmaker]], [[Artdecade]], [[Athalon Ferret]], [[Edis Krad]], [[Inuki]], [[Krezz Karavan]], [[Zen]], [[Arcc]], [[Looqdrake]].

== External links ==
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}{{Rating-nc17-button}}
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/ Softpaw Magazine] official website
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/ Softpaw Magazine] forums
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] at [[Rabbit Valley]]

[[Category:Fanzines]]
[[Category:2006 births]]

Softpaw Magazine

2007-08-02T21:09:20Z

Crassus:

[[Image:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' is the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, and mainly features [[erotic]] art and stories about cubs.

== Issues ==

Softpaw Magazine issues currently are released on a bi-annual (6-month) basis.

=== Issue #1 ===

The first issue shipped on November 15th, 2006, and is comprised of 64 color pages.

=== Issue #2 ===

Issue two made its debut at [[Anthrocon 2007]] at an increased 80 full-color pages.

=== Issue #3 ===

Issue three is currently in production and is expected to be released at [[Further Confusion 2008]].

== History and staff ==

''Softpaw Magazine'' was founded by its editors, [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] and [[Jery Softpaw]]. Contributing artists/writers/colourists have included [[Zippo]], [[End Of The World]], [[BA]], [[Jkal]], [[Beastmaker]], [[Artdecade]], [[Athalon Ferret]], [[Edis Krad]], [[Inuki]], [[Krezz Karavan]], [[Zen]], [[Arcc]], [[Looqdrake]].

== External links ==
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}{{Rating-nc17-button}}
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/ Softpaw Magazine] official website
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/ Softpaw Magazine] forums
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] at [[Rabbit Valley]]

[[Category:Fanzines]]
[[Category:2006 births]]

Softpaw Magazine

2007-06-06T03:48:29Z

Crassus:

[[Image:SoftpawMagazine.png|right|Softpaw Magazine]]
'''''Softpaw Magazine''''' is the first [[cub]]-related magazine in the fandom, and mainly features [[erotic]] art and stories about cubs. The first issue shipped on November 15th, 2006, and is comprised of 64 color pages. Issue two is in final production.

''Softpaw Magazine'' is edited and founded by [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] and [[Jery Softpaw]]. Contributing artists/writers/colourists have included [[Zippo]], [[End Of The World]], [[BA]], [[Jkal]], [[Beastmaker]], [[Artdecade]], [[Athalon Ferret]], [[Edis Krad]], [[Inuki]], [[Krezz Karavan]], [[Zen]], [[Arcc]], [[Looqdrake]].
{{WikiFurNews|Mature cub fanzine readies second issue}}
== External links ==
{{Rating-nc17-button}}
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/ Softpaw Magazine]
* [http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/ Softpaw Magazine Forums]
* [http://www.rabbitvalley.com/item_6942___Softpaw-Magazine-Issue-Number-1.html Softpaw #1] at [[Rabbit Valley]]
[[Category:Fanzines]]
[[Category:2006 births]]

User talk:Crassus

2007-05-30T07:22:24Z

Crassus: /* Quotes in news articles */

Hey there and welcome to WikiFur. I just noticed you've created a Redirect article to your user page. While we don't mind people having articles about themselves, we prefer it if articles in the main space really are true articles, while your User Page can contain whatever you wish and be written in whatever style you want. Even if its just the same information as your user page by written in the true wiki style (nutral view, third person, etc), that would be ok. We just prefer it to having a Redirect to your user page, as you can write whatever you want here. You can still link to your user page from your article, just use the ''Contributor'' template that you can find [[WikiFur:Boiler_Plate_Text/General_Templates|here]] (second from the bottom); and to link to the article on your user page, use the ''ContributorU'' template listed [[WikiFur:Boiler Plate Text/User Page Templates|here]] (third down). If you need any more help, just ask me on my talk page. :) Happy Editing --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 22:16, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Hi, yeah, the reason why I did that was to prevent others from writing about me without being reclusive. --[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 22:28, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Well.. the problem there is that you can't really have both. I can't say that for sure though as our [[WikiFur:Personal information|Personal information policy]] is not yet set in stone. I suggest talking to [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] about it as he is currently dealing with requests as they come. I also invite you to take part in the [[WikiFur talk:Personal information|discussion page]] of the policy above since currently we have views from both those who want to avoid page protection and those that don't mind it, we don't currently have any from people who they themselves want their pages locked. I won't myself lock and protect the page for now, so please [[User talk:GreenReaper|contact GR]]. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:26, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::I went ahead and put the little green "protected" thing up after our conversation yesterday and removed the redirect. --[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 16:29, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Message on Talk:Crassus==
I've responded to your message on [[Talk:Crassus]]. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 05:21, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Quotes in news articles ==

Hi there! I made a few modifications to the ''Softpaw'' news article after your last edit, and [[News talk:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue#Timing of quotes|one thing in particular]] caught my eye. Thought you should know. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 19:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for letting me know.. I responded to you in the talk. I guess it's alright to have the quote back in there, but honestly, everyone at Softpaw agreed to change it prior to the article. It just happened that you made the article before we changed it on the website. <_< —[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 07:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

News talk:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue

2007-05-30T07:04:06Z

Crassus: /* Timing of quotes */

== Timing of quotes ==

My [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=News%3AMature_cub_fanzine_readies_second_issue&diff=141206&oldid=141177 recent edit] re-inserted a quote that is no longer present on the website concerned. I did this because I strongly feel that we should not allow people to just change their words as a result of them being published, and then expect that to change our reporting. I appreciate the wish to have the "correct" view out there, but if people say something, and we report it, then it should stay reported. This is unlike regular wiki pages, which are fully fungible (as they are intended to live in the eternal <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiNow WikiNow]</span>).

News stories have a specific date, which is at the top. If something changes significantly then we ''might'' have some kind of an update or addendum, but it should be a specific addition - or a new news article, like [[Template:2006 Ursa Major Awards infobox|all the ones we have]] on the 2006 [[Ursa Major Awards]]. On the other hand, corrections for things which we got wrong and which were actually different ''at the time'', or minor stylistic changes, are acceptable for a longer period.

The above is based mostly on the policies they've worked out over at Wikinews - like Wikipedia, I think it makes sense to make use of their experience where appropriate, and this seems to be one of those situations. But it also seems like common sense, as you wouldn't see any major news outlet posting a retraction if the situation changed - only if they got it wrong to start with. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 19:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, the reason why I edited it was because it's not accurate. Even before the story was made, Softpaw's legal disclaimer had officially been changed. The phrase "characters are over 18" holds no legal standing as any visual depictions would be judged by a jury under the "reasonable man" test should the unlikely event of a trial ever arise; therefore, the news story edit was merely to keep it accurate and show facts. The change in the disclaimer was not due to the WikiFur article. If you still don't believe me, I can show you a screenshot of the InDesign file which was created and modified last prior to the writing of this article. If you could, please remove/alter the statement: "Softpaw changed this statement shortly after publication of this article," because it's misrepresentative, and it insinuates that it was changed due to it; it's definitely not the case. —[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 07:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

News:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue

2007-05-29T09:21:18Z

Crassus: another con!

{{date|May|28|2007}}{{publish}}
[[Image:SoftpawMagazine1Cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw'' #1 - Cute, but not innocent]]
There's a new furry [[fanzine]] making the rounds. You probably won't see it on the shelves of your local comic book store, though, or in any public library, since its prime attraction is [[pornographic]] [[cub]] art and stories.

''[[Softpaw Magazine]]'' #1 was published in November of last year,<ref>''[http://softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164 Issue #1 now shipping!]'' - [[Jery Softpaw]], Softpaw Magazine forums (November 15, 2006)</ref> joining the catalog of furry dealer [[Rabbit Valley]] this February.<ref>''[http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235 Rabbit Valley now selling Softpaw Magazine]'' - Jery Softpaw, Softpaw Magazine forums (February 28, 2007)</ref>
The magazine's retail price is $20—distinctly higher than smaller, black and white furry comics which usually sell for less than $5. Conversely, Softpaw's format is 8.5" x 11" with between 64-80 pages in high-quality full colour.

''Softpaw'' editors [[Jery Softpaw|Jery]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] maintain that the magazine is entirely legal. The publication is mailed discreetly to maintain customers' privacy.

The pair seeks to raise $12,000 USD through pre-orders and donations to cover costs associated with the next issue—ideally before [[Anthrocon 2007]] where they will be participating as dealers.<ref>''[http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=237 An explanation of the Issue #2 funding target]'' - Jery Softpaw, Softpaw Magazine forums (March 3, 2007)</ref> As of May 27 they had $9,291, helped in part by a $5 discount on pre-orders and a pizza party at [[Further Confusion 2007]] and [[Califur 3]].

While laws in various countries occasionally differ, US law specifically permits works which are "distinguishable" from images of an actual minor.<ref>[http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html US Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 110, § 2256 (11)]</ref> However, many in the fandom feel that such depictions are morally wrong, or at best, place the fandom in bad light. Some groups, such as the now defunct [[Burned Furs]] or [[Improved Anthropomorphics]], have tried to decrease the impact of such interests in the fandom through a variety of methods, often controversial in themselves.

So far, ''Softpaw'' has gained relatively little attention outside its target market.<ref>''[http://community.livejournal.com/openpaws/317035.html "(furry-related, of course)"]'' - [[Shokuji]], openpaws LiveJournal community (July 18, 2006)</ref><ref>''[http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_inc/3091097.html Fur, Jr.]'' - Palmer, WTF, Inc. LiveJournal community (July 20, 2006)</ref> The increasing popularity of [[cub art]] has raised concerns, though, both inside and out of the furry community. All-ratings New Zealand [[:Category:Mature art archives|art archive]] [[Cub Central]] was featured on [[Portal of Evil]] in March 2001.<ref>[http://friends.portalofevil.com/sfs.php?si=3&fi=000008040 CubCentral -- Furry Pedophiles] - [[Portal of Evil]] (March 6, 2001)</ref> More recently, [[Fur Affinity]]'s community was split over the question of erotic cub art. Site administrators eventually decided that as no actual child was hurt by the depiction, and they allowed images of other illegal acts, they had no grounds to exclude it.<ref>''[http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4257&page=1 FA Policy Notice - "Cub" Art]'' - [[The Dragoneer]], [[Fur Affinity]] forums (November 5, 2006)</ref>

==Sources==
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{{culture news}}

News:Mature cub fanzine readies second issue

2007-05-29T09:19:16Z

Crassus: Disclaimer has changed, no longer applies - fixed typos, etc.

{{date|May|28|2007}}{{publish}}
[[Image:SoftpawMagazine1Cover.jpg|right|frame|''Softpaw'' #1 - Cute, but not innocent]]
There's a new furry [[fanzine]] making the rounds. You probably won't see it on the shelves of your local comic book store, though, or in any public library, since its prime attraction is [[pornographic]] [[cub]] art and stories.

''[[Softpaw Magazine]]'' #1 was published in November of last year,<ref>''[http://softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=164 Issue #1 now shipping!]'' - [[Jery Softpaw]], Softpaw Magazine forums (November 15, 2006)</ref> joining the catalog of furry dealer [[Rabbit Valley]] this February.<ref>''[http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235 Rabbit Valley now selling Softpaw Magazine]'' - Jery Softpaw, Softpaw Magazine forums (February 28, 2007)</ref>
The magazine's retail price is $20—distinctly higher than smaller, black and white furry comics which usually sell for less than $5. Conversely, Softpaw's format is 8.5" x 11" with between 64-80 pages in high-quality full colour.

''Softpaw'' editors [[Jery Softpaw|Jery]] and [[Kiffin Softpaw|Kiffin]] maintain that the magazine is entirely legal. The publication is mailed discreetly to maintain customers' privacy.

The pair seeks to raise $12,000 USD through pre-orders and donations to cover costs associated with the next issue—ideally before [[Anthrocon 2007]] where they will be participating as dealers.<ref>''[http://www.softpawmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=237 An explanation of the Issue #2 funding target]'' - Jery Softpaw, Softpaw Magazine forums (March 3, 2007)</ref> As of May 27 they had $9,291, helped in part by a $5 discount on pre-orders and a pizza party at [[Further Confusion 2007]].

While laws in various countries occasionally differ, US law specifically permits works which are "distinguishable" from images of an actual minor.<ref>[http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html US Code Title 18, Part I, Chapter 110, § 2256 (11)]</ref> However, many in the fandom feel that such depictions are morally wrong, or at best, place the fandom in bad light. Some groups, such as the now defunct [[Burned Furs]] or [[Improved Anthropomorphics]], have tried to decrease the impact of such interests in the fandom through a variety of methods, often controversial in themselves.

So far, ''Softpaw'' has gained relatively little attention outside its target market.<ref>''[http://community.livejournal.com/openpaws/317035.html "(furry-related, of course)"]'' - [[Shokuji]], openpaws LiveJournal community (July 18, 2006)</ref><ref>''[http://community.livejournal.com/wtf_inc/3091097.html Fur, Jr.]'' - Palmer, WTF, Inc. LiveJournal community (July 20, 2006)</ref> The increasing popularity of [[cub art]] has raised concerns, though, both inside and out of the furry community. All-ratings New Zealand [[:Category:Mature art archives|art archive]] [[Cub Central]] was featured on [[Portal of Evil]] in March 2001.<ref>[http://friends.portalofevil.com/sfs.php?si=3&fi=000008040 CubCentral -- Furry Pedophiles] - [[Portal of Evil]] (March 6, 2001)</ref> More recently, [[Fur Affinity]]'s community was split over the question of erotic cub art. Site administrators eventually decided that as no actual child was hurt by the depiction, and they allowed images of other illegal acts, they had no grounds to exclude it.<ref>''[http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=4257&page=1 FA Policy Notice - "Cub" Art]'' - [[The Dragoneer]], [[Fur Affinity]] forums (November 5, 2006)</ref>

==Sources==
<references />

{{culture news}}

Talk:SCALF

2006-09-07T11:36:49Z

Crassus:

Just curious what the specific objections are with the NPOV tag? --[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 11:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ageplay

2005-12-06T00:18:26Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ Made a booboo.

[[Image:Dc-triocubs-pre2.gif|right|thumb]]'''Ageplay''' is a type of roleplay in involving a character (usually) significantly younger (though sometimes older) than the person playing it. The most common ages to be ageplayed are birth through adolescence. While not a [[furry]]-specific term, it is an overlapping interest shared by many furs online and offline.

== Distinctions ==

Ageplay in the furry community has taken on a bit of a different meaning for some. In the non-furry realm, ageplay is more specifically defined as a subset of [[Wikipedia:BDSM|BDSM]]. In the furry world, many who participate in ageplay are not into BDSM. The term more generally applies to anyone who simply plays a character younger than their player.

Ageplay is also commonly used to refer to the general interest of [[babyfur|babyfurs]], although in their case, it's generally within the ages of birth to pre-school. While technically the same definition, the mindset used when using the word, in babyfurs' own words, are under a different mindset. This has developed into conflicts at times between the different subset participants of ageplay.

== Ageplay vs. Pedosexuality ==

'''An important distinction to clarify:''' One need not be sexually attracted to the age of the character the player takes on. Some people who ageplay merely have a simple desire (whether it be enduced sexually or not) to relive that targetted age once again. Ageplay acts as a conduit for living out that fantasy. Commonly, when the desire is sexual, these people choose to interact with characters older than them, which would indicate their attraction for ''that'' age bracket, rather than their character's. In these cases, by definition, their urges are not pedosexual in nature.

== Controversy ==

Much of the talk regarding this type of roleplay has been heated, to say the least. Depending on who's side of the fence you're on, or whether you're walking the edge, everyone has a different opinion as to what's right and wrong, what's legal and what isn't. When the roleplay is sexual in nature, it's important to understand that while the subject matter of the roleplay is controversial, this type of roleplay is (most usually) performed by consenting adults. Such ageplay is sometimes mistaken for or equated to sexual relations with ''real'' minors, or the intent to perform such acts in real life, usually by those seeking to denigrate the ageplayer.

Of course (as in all legal matters), the age of consent in varying jurisdiction always applies. When roleplaying online via [[MUCK|MUCKs]], the laws where the server reside usually preside. Most MUCKs have created age-restriction policies for character registration based on the content and theme of the MUCK.

===Freedom of Expression===

Many tough moral and legal battles have been fought in the name of both "sexual freedom", and "common decency". Players on both sides of the field have many valid arguments to their effect. Particularly within the U.S., it's the [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|1st Amendment]] which make such rights to sexual expression available to its citizens. Both the ability to participate in ageplay or denounce it as an immoral practice are protected by the same article of legislation.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Ageplay|Ageplay]] on Wikipedia

[[Category:Mature terms]]

Ageplay

2005-12-06T00:17:53Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */ You're so diplomatic, Mr. Green. ;)

[[Image:Dc-triocubs-pre2.gif|right|thumb]]'''Ageplay''' is a type of roleplay in involving a character (usually) significantly younger (though sometimes older) than the person playing it. The most common ages to be ageplayed are birth through adolescence. While not a [[furry]]-specific term, it is an overlapping interest shared by many furs online and offline.

== Distinctions ==

Ageplay in the furry community has taken on a bit of a different meaning for some. In the non-furry realm, ageplay is more specifically defined as a subset of [[Wikipedia:BDSM|BDSM]]. In the furry world, many who participate in ageplay are not into BDSM. The term more generally applies to anyone who simply plays a character younger than their player.

Ageplay is also commonly used to refer to the general interest of [[babyfur|babyfurs]], although in their case, it's generally within the ages of birth to pre-school. While technically the same definition, the mindset used when using the word, in babyfurs' own words, are under a different mindset. This has developed into conflicts at times between the different subset participants of ageplay.

== Ageplay vs. Pedosexuality ==

'''An important distinction to clarify:''' One need not be sexually attracted to the age of the character the player takes on. Some people who ageplay merely have a simple desire (whether it be enduced sexually or not) to relive that targetted age once again. Ageplay acts as a conduit for living out that fantasy. Commonly, when the desire is sexual, these people choose to interact with characters older than them, which would indicate their attraction for ''that'' age bracket, rather than their character's. In these cases, by definition, their urges are not pedosexual in nature.

== Controversy ==

Much of the talk regarding this type of roleplay has been heated, to say the least. Depending on who's side of the fence you're on, or whether you're walking the edge, everyone has a different opinion as to what's right and wrong, what's legal and what isn't. When the roleplay is sexual in nature, it's important to understand that while the subject matter of the roleplay is controversial, this type of roleplay is (most usually) performed by consenting adults. Such ageplay is sometimes mistaken for or equated to sexual relations with ::real:: minors, or the intent to perform such acts in real life, usually by those seeking to denigrate the ageplayer.

Of course (as in all legal matters), the age of consent in varying jurisdiction always applies. When roleplaying online via [[MUCK|MUCKs]], the laws where the server reside usually preside. Most MUCKs have created age-restriction policies for character registration based on the content and theme of the MUCK.

===Freedom of Expression===

Many tough moral and legal battles have been fought in the name of both "sexual freedom", and "common decency". Players on both sides of the field have many valid arguments to their effect. Particularly within the U.S., it's the [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|1st Amendment]] which make such rights to sexual expression available to its citizens. Both the ability to participate in ageplay or denounce it as an immoral practice are protected by the same article of legislation.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Ageplay|Ageplay]] on Wikipedia

[[Category:Mature terms]]

File:ConFurence.png

2005-11-01T00:55:22Z

Crassus:

Small [[ConFurence]] logo created for [[ConFurence 10]].
{{logo}}

SoCal FurBQ

2005-11-01T00:50:07Z

Crassus:

The FurBQ is the largest informal, annual gathering of furs in the [[SoCalFurs]] region. It's treated as a large, potluck picnic and is held at Irvine Regional Park, in Orange County, California.

As all good things in life, the FurBQ started with an accident in 1998, simultaniously also creating the [[SCFL]] mailing list in the process. A small group of friends had planned on getting together for a BBQ at one fur's apartment complex. Somehow, the word got accidentally placed on a larger list of email addresses and a good 30+ furs RSVPed to attend. A very prompt and wise decision was made to move the meeting to the apartment's clubhouse.

The result was a really cool shindig involving food, a pool, food, lots of music, food, lots of talking and food... including some cheap Vons sushi. [[Kitfox]] was on hand and had all those attendees give up their email addresses (or else ;)) and thusly made what became [[SCFL]].

After the fur at the apartment moved away, the decision was made to move the BBQ to a more suitable location the following year. The name of the event was then dubbed '''"The FurBQ"'''. Loran Skunkie became its organizer. The location selected was Irvine Regional Park. The first year of it being held there involved a very large, horizontal tree which was used by many (including [[Shadarack]]) to display their skills of balance and coordination. Henceforth, one inexplicable event which always has happened since then is a "kitty in a tree"... whether it be to hang out or retrieve some kinda Nerf.. thing...

It still continues today at the same location, usually being held in June. The attendees for the '''FurBQ''' are excess of 100+ furs, second only to [[ConFurence]] and [[Califur]]; but with sushi.

== See Also ==

[[SoCalFurs]]

SoCalFurs

2005-11-01T00:30:27Z

Crassus: Fixed the link to Rick's

[[Image:Socalfursmascot.gif|thumb|right|[[Tamerlaine]] is SoCalFurs' mascot, drawn by [[Megan Giles]]]]
'''SoCalFurs''' is the official website catering to [[furries]] in the Southern [[Wikipedia:California|California]] area of the continental US.

*'''Address''': http://www.socalfurs.com/
*'''Yahoo Group Founder''':[[Alias Foxx]]
*'''Website Founder''': [[Crassus]]
*'''Operational dates''': ? - current.

The site serves has a resource page containing links to the SoCalFurs' [http://groups.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups] and mailing list, notice of upcoming events, and archives of previous ones, a "[[Furry]] database" of "Who's Who" on SoCalFurs", "SoCal hot spots", i.e. the best type of gathering places for any future furry event, a links page, and SoCalFurs notices board. A #socalfurry [[IRC]] channel is also hosted on [[Anthrochat]].

==Covered SoCal counties==
*[[Wikipedia:Los Angeles County|Los Angeles County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Orange County|Orange County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Riverside County|Riverside County]]
*[[Wikipedia:San Bernardino County|San Bernardino County]]
*[[Wikipedia:San Diego County|San Diego County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Santa Barbara County|Santa Barbara County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Ventura County|Ventura County]]

==Secondary sub-groups==
*'''Inland Empire Furry Association''': An informal group of furs from the [[Wikipedia:Inland Empire (California)|Inland Empire]] of SoCal.
*'''San Diego Furs''': Exactly what the name says.

==See also==
* [[Califur]]
* [[Fur-B-Q]]
* [[Prancing Skiltaire]]
* [[Rick's Cafe' Terrestrienne]]

==External links==
* [http://www.socalfurs.net SoCalFurs mirror page]
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socalfurs/ SoCalFurs Yahoo! Group]
* [http://www.livejournal.com/community/socalfurs/ SoCalFurs LiveJournal group]

[[Category:Websites]][[Category:United States of America]]

SoCalFurs

2005-11-01T00:28:19Z

Crassus: I hate to be vain, but they had a question mark, so I filled it in. d_d;

[[Image:Socalfursmascot.gif|thumb|right|[[Tamerlaine]] is SoCalFurs' mascot, drawn by [[Megan Giles]]]]
'''SoCalFurs''' is the official website catering to [[furries]] in the Southern [[Wikipedia:California|California]] area of the continental US.

*'''Address''': http://www.socalfurs.com/
*'''Yahoo Group Founder''':[[Alias Foxx]]
*'''Website Founder''': [[Crassus]]
*'''Operational dates''': ? - current.

The site serves has a resource page containing links to the SoCalFurs' [http://groups.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups] and mailing list, notice of upcoming events, and archives of previous ones, a "[[Furry]] database" of "Who's Who" on SoCalFurs", "SoCal hot spots", i.e. the best type of gathering places for any future furry event, a links page, and SoCalFurs notices board. A #socalfurry [[IRC]] channel is also hosted on [[Anthrochat]].

==Covered SoCal counties==
*[[Wikipedia:Los Angeles County|Los Angeles County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Orange County|Orange County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Riverside County|Riverside County]]
*[[Wikipedia:San Bernardino County|San Bernardino County]]
*[[Wikipedia:San Diego County|San Diego County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Santa Barbara County|Santa Barbara County]]
*[[Wikipedia:Ventura County|Ventura County]]

==Secondary sub-groups==
*'''Inland Empire Furry Association''': An informal group of furs from the [[Wikipedia:Inland Empire (California)|Inland Empire]] of SoCal.
*'''San Diego Furs''': Exactly what the name says.

==See also==
* [[Califur]]
* [[Fur-B-Q]]
* [[Prancing Skiltaire]]
* [["Rick's Cafe" Terrestrienne]]

==External links==
* [http://www.socalfurs.net SoCalFurs mirror page]
* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socalfurs/ SoCalFurs Yahoo! Group]
* [http://www.livejournal.com/community/socalfurs/ SoCalFurs LiveJournal group]

[[Category:Websites]][[Category:United States of America]]

WikiFur:Vote on the new Community Portal name

2005-09-21T15:45:20Z

Crassus:

WikiFur is soon to have its [[Community Portal]] redesigned to provide more functionality, communication and organisation for projects within the wiki. As such, the Community Portal is going to be '''given a new name'''.

What is that name? Well, we don't know yet and we'd like to have suggestions!

===Criteria for the new name===
The name should be something furry related and it can also be a little humorous too if you want. The WikiFur: namespace remember doesn't have to be official like the main article namespace. It can also run on a little theme if you want as we are also going to have a forum and discussion area within the Portal (akin to Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Village pump|Village pump]]), you can suggest a name for that area too if you wish to accompany your suggestion.

If you want some examples, WikiNews has "''The Watercooler''"; Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki, has "''Ten Forward''"; the Homestar Runner wiki has "''The Stick''".

===Process for picking a new name===
The process for picking a new name will be as follows:
#Enter your personal suggestion below, sign your edit to show who you are, these will be checked against the edit history of this page.
#Once enough submissions are in, a vote will be held for the favourite name.
#The favourite name will be selected and development on the new Portal will begin.
We are aiming to have the new portal up in time for the '''2000'''th article so get your entries in now!

==Submissions==
To make your submission, place a semi-colon followed by your name idea. Then a colon followed by a sentence explaining your name maybe or why you choose it, along with signing your name. Please don't voice support for another person's idea yet! That will come when we vote for our favourites!

;Example Name
:Small sentence explaining why I think the example name is great, possibly my idea for a Village Pump name too. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 12:08, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;Community Central
:Use 'Community Central' to keep that sense of familiarity with users from other wikis (which is a plus), but use 'central' to make it distinct that the central page is not a portal into dozens of other pages with very restricted information (WikiFur isn't <i>that</i> big yet...). For the Village Pump, I suggest that we call it 'The Park.' I mean, how many furryMUCKs make a park of some sort the central area? [[FurryMUCK]]'s [[West Corner Of The Park]], [[SPR]]'s [[Knuth Park]]... [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 12:17, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Den
:Maybe?--[[User:Sandstripes|Sandstripes]] 22:48, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Fur-ont Desk
:Get it? Front Desk? I don't know, it's just an idea I had.--[[User:JSB|JSB]] 21:51, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;Wikifur Lobby
:Lounge?, RecRoom?, Hospitality Suite?, Help Desk?, Information Desk?, The Oasis?, The Glade?, Meeting Point? (Like at some major Airports, a simple, giant X, on the floor,) Receiving Area?, Conference Room?, Transfer Station?, Boarding Gate?,Town Hall?, Main Square?, the Ballroom?, The Bulletin Board?. [[User:63.204.227.202|63.204.227.202]] 22:07, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::'Oasis' is good. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 23:54, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;Community Purrtal
:A bit species-specific, but it's still cute, eh? Rather explicitly furry and easily identifiable, too. [[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 23:42, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Water Hole
:A bit of a furryish pun on WikiNews's Watercooler. :XP [[User:Benjamin|Benjamin]] 23:48, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Horse-Brutality Lounge
:Like at [[MFM]]. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 23:54, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Break Room
:A nice, neutral name that seems to fit the mood of the community center. --[[User:TheListener|TheListener]] 03:13, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;The Howling Grounds
:For obvious, but lupine reasons. I'd also suggest The Tavern, but that's not explicitly furry, and where's the fun in that?
[[User:Cuprohastes|Cuprohastes]] 03:33 17 Sep 2005(UTC)

;Unifursity Quad
:This is my idea for the Community Portal. We're here to learn, discuss, and contribute to the furry education of readers. Alternates: Unifursity Commons, Unifursity Square.
;Furry Forum
:This is my idea for the forum: it has a nice, simple ring to it. If one felt led, one could even do it with a semi-obligatory misspelling: Furry Furum.
[[User:ZorkFox|ZorkFox]] 23:57, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

;FWAP!
:Furry Web Access Portal! ... Why's everyone looking at me like that...? e.e
--[[User:Crassus|Crassus]] 15:45, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

The Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon

2005-09-19T07:33:15Z

Crassus: /* Drama Extravaganza™ */

'''<span style="position: relative;top: -4px;">[[Image:Treehouse.png|T]]</span>he Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon''' (usually shortened to '''The Treehouse''', '''Secret Moon Treehouse''' or just '''Secretmoon''') is a popular fictional location in [[Tapestries MUCK]]. It has had a website since 2000, which is home to a few of the long-term residents, as well as the site of an [[ageplay]]-themed [[oekaki]].
[[Image:Censor_NC17.png|right]]
* '''Website:''' http://secretmoon.org/
* '''Founded:''' May 1999
* '''Website started:''' 14 June 2000

'''First Generation Staff'''
* '''Founder:''' [[Lori'anne]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Crassus]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]

'''Second Generation Staff'''
* '''Owner:''' [[Crassus]]
* '''Maintainers:''' [[Ben Raccoon]] and [[Sarah Skunkie]]

'''Current Staff'''
* '''Owner:''' [[Ben Raccoon]]

== Location and Description ==

The Treehouse (''[[teleport pattern|t secretmoon]]'') is located deep within the [[Northern Forest]] outside of [[Layleaux Town]], south of [[Whitefire]]'s mountain. It resides in an open grassy glade filled with mist and moonlight among the trees. It's a peaceful area, and young furs come from all over to play in and around the treehouse.

=== The Yard ===

The '''yard''' is the entrypoint for this area, holding the [[teleport pattern]] and links to other areas. There are usually anywhere from five to fifteen furs around at any one time - as Secret Moon is a popular "cruising" location, there is almost always someone coming or going. This can sometimes be distracting; groups typically move somewhere quieter, like the treehouse proper. One peculiarity of the yard and the surrounding area is that it's always lit by moonlight - something to do with the tree, no doubt.

=== The Tree and Basement ===

Originally, the mid and lower portions of the '''tree''' were merely hollowed out by natural means. Once the treehouse was discovered by Lori'Anne and its original occupants, things were improved. At ground level, there is a doorway which leads to a ladder carved directly into the wood that travels its entire internal length. Traveling up the ladder leads up to the treehouse built upon the trunk. Traveling downward, leads to a hidden '''basement''' which originaly housed a rather dark area. Since then, it has been converted from its prior function into a ball-pit, perfect for those days when you've really got nothing better to do than swim around in a sea of multicoloured plastic spheres. The ball pit is also accessible by way of a slide from the treehouse. It also contains various other instruments of play and leisure, and even a fridge of its own.

The original intention for the basement was to contain and house any of the more objectionable play. Over time, it was decided to redesign this area, since it conflicted with the ideal that the treehouse was meant to act as a safehaven for children, not bring harm to them.

=== Treehouse and Bathroom ===

The '''treehouse''' mainroom is the nominal hub of this area, although the yard is typically busier due to the traffic brought by the teleport pattern. Bedecked in multicoloured paint and ribbons, the room is filled with furniture from the '60s, including blowup chairs, pillows and lots and lots of beanbags. On the walls are toys of all kinds, to suit all tastes, including those who like to [[BDSM|play rough]].

A slide leads to the basement, while a door leads off to the '''bathroom''', which is dominated by an large round tub set into the floor. Various soaps, oils and gels are available, and some people spend a very long time in the bath, especially if they're with friends.

=== Deck and Playroom ===

Leaving the treehouse, visitors find a wide '''deck''' completely encircling the upper portion of the tree trunk, with plenty of places to sit or stand and admire the view. A fireman's pole offers a quick descent for those wishing to return to the yard. The tree's limbs are easily accessible from the deck - climb up into the branches, and you will find a hidden '''playroom''', where imagination rules.

=== Sleeping Platforms and Watchtower ===

You can climb off the deck of the main platform onto two '''sleeping platforms''' linked to one another by rope bridge - the second platform can only be accessed via the ground floor of the first. Most of the platforms are given over to the private rooms of Secret Moon regulars. The first platform also holds the public bedroom, while the second has a '''watchtower''', from which it's possible to see over the treetops to [[WhiteFire]]'s mountain and [[Layleaux Town]] in the distance.

=== The Lake ===

South of the treehouse lies a '''lake''' with a sandy beach with everything a young fur could wish for in the way of water sports, including floats, rafts, noodles, and a dive-in platform in the deeper areas. The beach is also suitable for paddling, or just lazing out - no need to worry about getting sunburnt, as the moon also shines here!

=== Secluded Pool ===

To the east of the lake, a wooded path leads off to a secluded '''pool''', where a flat rock provides a perfect jumping-off point into the crystal-clear spring waters. It is also a very quiet and peaceful place for those who wish to be alone, or alone with others.

The pool was an addition added by [[Crassus]] while the treehouse was still under the ownership of Lori'Anne. The concept of the pool was to be a symbolic representation of time and the magical effects which the moon played on the area. A little-known fact about the Secluded Pool is that while the rest of the treehouse area stays locked in time stasis (providing a perpetual twilight), the pool, and the oak tree feeding from it, is locked in a sort of temporal displacement which not only allows time to flow forward (which explains the size of the oak), but also to be reversed. The pool can act as a time machine, essentially. It can't simply transport you to and fro. It reacts to the inner wishes of the individual who bathes in it. This allows those who simply wish to have a swim not to be effected by the magical properties of the pool, while others who wish to either regress or advance in their age can do so.

Since time flows in this portion, the pool area also is the only area of the muck that is bathed in any form of sunlight, albeit limited by the canopy of leaves provided by the oak.

== Population ==

Given the adult theme of Tapestries, Secret Moon is particularly suited to [[ageplay]]ers, although [[babyfur]]s are known to hang out there as well.

It should be noted that despite the theme, and as everywhere in Tapestries, every part of the treehouse is a valid location for [[TinySex]], although [[non-consensual]] [[role-play]] is frowned on in the Yard - participants in such [[scene]]s may be asked to move elsewhere, though if it's particularly well-played few are likely to complain.

== Website ==

The domain was originally purchased by [[Crassus]] in response to a flame-war on alt.fan.furry regarding the nature of the treehouse and also to secure it for possible future promotion use. Ownership of the domain was voluntarily transfered to [[Ben Raccoon]] in summer of 2000.

The website at secretmoon.org shares the same theme as the MUCK location, although they are not particularly connected content-wise. Instead, the website provides hosting and mail services for some of Secret Moon's regular players.

In January 2003 a PaintBBS/oekaki system was added, which has become a popular place for certain forms of artwork.

== Disputed Changes of Ownership ==

{{Controversial}}

A couple months after the Treehouse became a public area, Lori'anne approached [[Crassus]] and explained she was no longer interested in Tapestries and transferred ownership of the treehouse to him. Lori'Anne granted him the password to Treespirit, the Treehouse building-quota character. She publically announced the change of ownership onto the treehouse bulletin board. At the time this took place, muck policy allowed sharing of characters. Online help documents which were available on the muck stated this. When the MUCK's policy changed, the website was updated reflecting the changes, but the neglected online help docs continued to display the previous policy.

Crassus then met Ben Raccoon and the two became involved in a relationship. Crassus invited Ben to become co-maintainer the treehouse and shared the character password. Crassus became involved in several expansion projects of the Treehouse's public areas but was finding it difficult due to the MUCK's [[building quotas]], so he began to consolidate many of the redundant objects and actions into globals; a project which he never finished. In particular, Crassus had attempted to make several objects sitting in the Main Room (such as the message board and children lists) global actions.

===Drama Extravaganza™===

In January of 2000, unrelated OOC conflicts erupted between the two. In a bout of anger and self-pity, Crassus considered just "giving up" and edged on deleting his character. During an angry exchange with Ben, he also made a spiteful comment about deleting the Treehouse. He realized doing so would be extremely unfair to all others who enjoyed the area, but still did not want to be around the place because he was upset and did not want to be near Ben (who regularly hung out there). During the exchange, he told Ben to "have" the treehouse. Crassus' intention was to also remain in charge, but at the time, this wasn't specified in the exchange.

After a couple months, relations settled down between the two. While their previous relationship remained defunct, they at least became amiable. Conflicts arose once again when Ben began to alter the multiple projects that Crassus had not finished. Crassus disapproved of the deletions and changes because they did not meet his standards and originally intended functionality. Ben reverted many changes back to their original format, effectively erasing Crassus' work. Crassus was mightily pissed. He confronted Ben, asking that Ben return the Treespirit character so he could finish his intended projects. Since the Treespirit password had never been changed, Crassus could have at any point simply logged onto the character and stranded Ben, but instead he approached Ben about it. After a couple weeks worth of power struggle, Ben changed the password to Treespirit to disallow Crassus from logging onto it.

===Attempted Resolution===

Crassus lodged a formal complaint to [[WhiteWizard]] via internal MUCK mail, who was not online at the time of the dispute. Contrary to belief, Crassus did not use an alt to lodge this complaint. Indeed, while WhiteFire had Crassus on an [[No-Contact Order]] due to a previous conflict regarding the neglected state of the [[SCALF|SCALF mailing list]], Crassus '''never''' attempted to contact Whitefire. Crassus contacted WhiteWizard, an administrative character, having faith that the situation would be handled professionally and without personal bias. However, there was a glitch. Whitefire had his page #mail set up to where whenever WhiteWizard received a page #mail, the mail is CC'ed to WhiteFire (who was online at the time). Crassus was aware of this fact, but he could do nothing to avoid it.

Crassus then noticed [[JadeWizard]] was online and approached her via page. He asked for Treespirit's password to be reset because of the conflict. Jade saw this as a simple issue to resolve. Jade asked for Treespirit's email address. Crassus informed Jade that since the character had originally belonged to Lori'Anne, the email address did not match his own. He also informed Jade that he had sent WhiteWizard a mail regarding the issue, to which the other wizard suggested, "I wouldn't tell him about this if I were you."

Crassus began to realize that it might have been a bad idea to contact the head admin about the issue. However, the mail had already been sent and Whitefire checked his mail before it could be #erase'd. WhiteWizard swept Crassus to the Wizard Meeting Room and asked if he was present. Crassus said yes and began to thank WhiteWizard for hearing him out. Before Crassus could even begin to get another word out, WhiteWizard exclaimed, "You are hearby toaded from Tapestries. An email will be forwarded shortly to detail the reasons why." and @toaded Crassus on the spot. In subsequent proclamations, WhiteWizard cited the reasons for the @toading were harassment (referring to the previous personal beef between WhiteFire and Crassus regarding their dispute about the defunct [[SCALF| SCALF mailing list]]) and [[Character Sharing]].

===Rebuttal===

Crassus viewed Whitefire's handling of the situation as unprofessional and unfair. By not even allowing to be heard before judgement, he felt Whitefire was simply holding a grudge for the [[SCALF|unrelated events]]. Crassus initiated a public web protest and petition of his alleged unfair treatment by creating a website detailing the dispute and publically displayed the multiple, unedited chastising emails he had received from Whitefire after the toading. Crassus also used his remaining alt to post the URL of his protest website on the [[Tavern]] message board to make people aware of the situation. Whitefire became quickly aware of the protest website through multiple complaints about Crassus' message board link (which was openly commented as "whiny" by apathetic Tavern regulars).

Whitefire then sent Crassus another email, indefinately site-banning him from any of fur.com's services (including web and newsgroups), also continuing to chastize Crassus for posting "private" emails onto a website, threatening him with legal action.

===Eventual Resolution===

The dispute over possession of the Treespirit character was unresolved for several months. The Treespirit account was locked and the treehouse was left without an official administrator. Finally, a rather fortuitous reappearance of Lori'anne resulted in a closed-door discussion between herself, Ben Raccoon, and one of the wizard core. Possession of the treehouse was transferred to Ben Raccoon, and both were given a strong warning against further character sharing. Crassus was never approached during these discussions by WhiteWizard or any of the wizard staff and was never given chance to defend himself or speak his piece, remaining site-banned to this day.

== External links ==
* ''[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/744e1ad3344a67be Treehouse on Tapestries]'' - Lori'anne's response to [[Ben Bruin]]'s [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.furry/browse_frm/thread/bd86f8858a0a37ca post] about a website (now long down) promoting Secret Moon - see also [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&start=80&scoring=d&enc_author=vaXRgBkAAAAWpLTIT3RCA41USoK94-1zbadRkHY8izvoWSZmz-9hFg& other threads]
* The basement [http://www.yiffstar.com/index.php?pid=4743 was not always so pleasant] ('''do''' read the warning text)
[[Category:Locations in Tapestries|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]][[Category:Websites|Astonishing Treehouse of the Secret Moon, The]]

ConFurence 10

2005-09-13T21:23:18Z

Crassus: /* Staff */ I was accidentally omitted from the con book.

'''ConFurence 10''' was the [[furry convention]] in the [[ConFurence]] series held over the four days of April 1-4 in 1999 at the Town and Country Resort and Convention Center in San Diego, California. The dual themes for that year were "Looking Back at 10 Furry Years" and "Year of the Rabbit".

This was the first year in which ConFurence was held in April rather than January, and the first time it was held in San Diego. It was also the first year in which attendance to ConFurence declined. In addition to the calendar and venue changes, there was now competition from [[Further Confusion]], which had run for the first time that January, appropriating ConFurence's old calendar position.

===Guests of Honor===
* [[Mary Hanson-Roberts]] (fantasy artist)
* [[Wikipedia:Cynthia McQuillin|Cynthia McQuillin]] ([[filksinger]])

===Staff===
* '''Directors''': [[Mark Merlino]] (hotel relations), [[Rod O'Riley]] (programming, guest relations, lounges)
* '''Art Show Coordinator''': [[XianJaguar]]
* '''Dealers' Den/Publishers' Row/Artists' Alley''': [[Steve Corbett]], [[Shawn Strobel]]
* '''Security''': [[Zsa'nene Klinkler]] and [[Patrick Callicott]] (security chiefs); [[Steve Brent]], [[Dawn Britt]], [[Vincent J. Delia]], [[John DiAntonis-Lonberger]], [[Scott Hamilton]], [[Byron Havranck]], [[Dawn Marie Holland]], [[Michael Kloman]], [[James Miles]], [[Rob Powell]], [[Jeff Tharp]], [[Tami Tingle]], [[David Weiss]], [[Shannon D. Wilson]]
* '''Information''': [[James P. Mullen]], [[Darrel Exline]]
* '''Den Mother''': [[Kay Shapero]]
* '''Filk Coordinator''': [[Robert A. Larson]]
* '''Video Theater Coordinator''': [[Bob Caron]]
* '''Daily Newsletter Editor''': [[Darrel Exline]]
* '''First Aid Coordinator''': [[Lynn Kurtz]]
* '''Press Liaisons''': [[Ken Nielsen]], [[Jacob Stanovich]]
* '''Event Video''': [[David Bliss]]
* '''Gaming''': [[Steven Merritt]]
* '''Internet Room Coordinators''': [[Neil Whelchel]], [[Lena Lawler]]
* '''Registration Coordinators''': [[DeWayne Stuart]], [[Karl Maurer]]
* '''FurDance Coordinators''': [[Rachel Cawley|Rachel]] and [[John Cawley]]
* '''Volunteer Coordinators''': [[Carol Higuchi]], [[Andrew Clark]], [[David T. Panteneau]]
* '''Costume Event Coordinators''': [[Andrea Adams]], [[Cary Sandvig]]
* '''Special Events''': [[Jason Roundy]], [[Terry Brussel-Gibbons]], [[Paul Brussel-Gibbons]]
* '''General Staff/Crew/Volunteers''': [[Larry Adams]], [[Christian Arbeen]], [[Archer]], [[Christopher W. Armstrong]], [[Rodney Basler]], [[Andrew Beaudoin]], [[Eric-Alexander Bitton]], [[Joshua A. Cape]], [[Shaun Catlord]], [[CinderWolf]], [[Andrew Clark]], [[Moroni M. Clawson]], [[Donald Cleary]], [[Loring Grant Cleveland]], [[Gabriel "Vircoo" Collazo]], [[Raymond "Stego" Collazo]], [[Crassus]], [[Bernard Doove]], [[David W. Drake]], [[Farlo]], [[FlaFox]], [[Frisbee]], [[Amanda Geyer]], [[Aaron Goulding]], [[Kayla A. Green]], [[Grrolin]], [[Johnathan Hartman]], [[Holloway]], [[Vincent Horne]], [[Michael Jacobsen]], [[Bethany Hope Jenkins]], [[Jwyldragon]], [[Karl]], [[Joette Khamis]], [[Kirindar]], [[Omar Lopez]], [[Shawn K. McCormick]], [[Paul P. McNutt]], [[David Meacham]], [[Steve Meritt]], [[Sheryl Mount]], [[Charles Nezzer]], [[Ken Nielsen]], [[Austin Norwood]], [[Nyakas]], [[Chris J. O'Donnell]], [[Robert O'Connor]], [[Judy Oxford]], [[Anneke Patchen]], [[Richard Pike]], [[Rainshadow]], [[Kathleen Record]], [[Jason Roundy]], [[Nicolai Shapero]], [[Victoria Shapero]], [[ShyFox]], [[Silvermane]], [[Jacob Stanovich]], [[James Stewart]], [[DeWayne Stuart]], [[Shannon Stuart]], [[Sharee Thompson]], [[Ryan H. Torchia]], [[Corey Vallejo]], [[Jennifer Vancil]], [[Joseph D. Ward]], [[Glen Wooten]]

===Sponsors===
[[Rob Alston]], [[Steve Butler]], [[Jeremy Doran]], [[Deen Foxx]], [[Gerrit Heitsch]], [[Ed Hollowell]], [[Oscar Marcus]], [[Eric Miyoda]], [[Peter A. Murphy]], [[Barry Needham]], [[Robert W. O'Connor]], [[Freddy E. Praul]], [[Jim Rauscher]], [[Bruce Richman]], [[William D. Ringland]], [[Michael Russell]], [[Jason Short]], [[Jefferson P. Swycaffer]], [[Conrad Thonger]], [[Richard Williams]], [[Shannon Wilson]]

The souvenir programme book was 52 black-and-white pages, with cover art by [[Gary Lee Seto]].

==External Links==
* [http://www.confurence.com/cf10/main40.html ConFurence 10 Website Archive]

[[Category:Conventions]]

Ageplay

2005-09-12T22:52:17Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */

[[Image:Dc-triocubs-pre2.gif|right|thumb]]'''Ageplay''' is a type of roleplay in involving a character (usually) significantly younger (though sometimes older) than the person playing it. The most common ages to be ageplayed are birth through adolescence. While not a [[furry]]-specific term, it is an overlapping interest shared by many furs online and offline.

== Distinctions ==

Ageplay in the furry community has taken on a bit of a different meaning for some. In the non-furry realm, ageplay is more specifically defined as a subset of [[Wikipedia:BDSM|BDSM]]. In the furry world, many who participate in ageplay are not into BDSM. The term more generally applies to anyone who simply plays a character younger than their player.

Ageplay is also commonly used to refer to the general interest of [[babyfur|babyfurs]], although in their case, it's generally within the ages of birth to pre-school. While technically the same definition, the mindset used when using the word, in babyfurs' own words, are under a different mindset. This has developed into conflicts at times between the different subset participants of ageplay.

== Ageplay vs. Pedosexuality ==

'''An important distinction to clarify:''' One need not be sexually attracted to the age of the character the player takes on. Some people who ageplay merely have a simple desire (whether it be enduced sexually or not) to relive that targetted age once again. Ageplay acts as a conduit for living out that fantasy. Commonly, when the desire is sexual, these people choose to interact with characters older than them, which would indicate their attraction for ''that'' age bracket, rather than their character's. In these cases, by definition, their urges are not pedosexual in nature.

== Controversy ==

Much of the talk regarding this type of roleplay has been heated, to say the least. Depending on who's side of the fence you're on, or whether you're walking the edge, everyone has a different opinion as to what's right and wrong, what's legal and what isn't. When the roleplay is sexual in nature, it's important to understand that while the subject matter of the roleplay is controversial, this type of roleplay is (most usually) performed by consenting adults. It must not be mistaken for real sexual relations with minors. Of course (as in all legal matters), the age of consent in varying jurisdiction always applies. When roleplaying online via [[MUCK|MUCKs]], the laws where the server reside usually preside. Most MUCKs have created age-restriction policies for character registration based on the content and theme of the MUCK.

===Freedom of Expression===

Many tough moral and legal battles have been fought in the name of both "sexual freedom", and "common decency". Players on both sides of the field have many valid arguments to their effect. Particularly within the U.S., it's the [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|1st Amendment]] which make such rights to sexual expression available to its citizens. Both the ability to participate in ageplay or denounce it as an immoral practice are protected by the same article of legislation. Don't forget that.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Ageplay|Ageplay]] on Wikipedia

[[Category:Terms]]

Ageplay

2005-09-12T22:48:28Z

Crassus: /* Controversy */

[[Image:Dc-triocubs-pre2.gif|right|thumb]]'''Ageplay''' is a type of roleplay in involving a character (usually) significantly younger (though sometimes older) than the person playing it. The most common ages to be ageplayed are birth through adolescence. While not a [[furry]]-specific term, it is an overlapping interest shared by many furs online and offline.

== Distinctions ==

Ageplay in the furry community has taken on a bit of a different meaning for some. In the non-furry realm, ageplay is more specifically defined as a subset of [[Wikipedia:BDSM|BDSM]]. In the furry world, many who participate in ageplay are not into BDSM. The term more generally applies to anyone who simply plays a character younger than their player.

Ageplay is also commonly used to refer to the general interest of [[babyfur|babyfurs]], although in their case, it's generally within the ages of birth to pre-school. While technically the same definition, the mindset used when using the word, in babyfurs' own words, are under a different mindset. This has developed into conflicts at times between the different subset participants of ageplay.

== Ageplay vs. Pedosexuality ==

'''An important distinction to clarify:''' One need not be sexually attracted to the age of the character the player takes on. Some people who ageplay merely have a simple desire (whether it be enduced sexually or not) to relive that targetted age once again. Ageplay acts as a conduit for living out that fantasy. Commonly, when the desire is sexual, these people choose to interact with characters older than them, which would indicate their attraction for ''that'' age bracket, rather than their character's. In these cases, by definition, their urges are not pedosexual in nature.

== Controversy ==

Much of the talk regarding this type of roleplay has been heated, to say the least. Depending on who's side of the fence you're on, or whether you're walking the edge, everyone has a different opinion as to what's right and wrong, what's legal and what isn't. When the roleplay is sexual in nature, it's important to understand that while the subject matter of the roleplay is controversial, it must not be mistaken for real sexual relations with minors. Depending on the jurisdiction of the player, laws might differ as to the age of consent. When playing online via [[MUCK|MUCKs]], generally, the laws where the server reside take effect. Most MUCKs have created age-restriction policies for character registration based on the content and theme of the MUCK.

===Freedom of Expression===

Many tough moral and legal battles have been fought in the name of both "sexual freedom", and "common decency". Players on both sides of the field have many valid arguments to their effect. Particularly within the U.S., it's the [[Wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|1st Amendment]] which make such rights to sexual expression available to its citizens. Both the ability to participate in ageplay or denounce it as an immoral practice are protected by the same article of legislation. Don't forget that.

== See also ==

* [[Wikipedia:Ageplay|Ageplay]] on Wikipedia

[[Category:Terms]]