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User talk:Composingliger

2007-10-19T15:32:00Z

Composingliger: /* Strange layout issue */

Hi there, Composingliger - welcome to WikiFur! Thanks for your article contributions, and for keeping WikiFur Central up to date. Let me know if you need anything on my user talk page. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:40, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks for the warm welcome GreenReaper. While I only have had a little bit of experience with Wikis in general, I hope that I'll be able to contribute where I can. ^^
:Ta! --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 05:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Well, I'm sure you'll learn quickly! Thanks for getting permission for that picture of Mab. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Hmmm... I just noticed that the templates on the front page have been locked now... Hmmm It's a bit of a catch 22 with Wikis isn't it. On one hand you WANT people to be able to maintain, update and improve on things... On the other, there's always people who just like to ruin and vandalise things. I guess it's probbaly the right thing to do, especially being the main page... But a shame that it has to be done. =/ --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:06, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::They were locked temporarily due to someone vandalising them. They should be unlocked now (unless it's happened again). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:11, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::And yes, that's OK. Amber said that it's fine to use her art for any of the related articles. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Search Image ==
Hi again. I've just been wondering about the search image for WikiFur - [[Image:Search_logo.png]]. I think it would be nice if it were possible to drop the Wikicities logo and replace it with something of our own. Is that possible (I've noticed that the image itself was locked) or is this a perminant part of the Wikicities branding and thus unchangeable? --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 17:41, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hi! It is indeed possible. If you have a suggested alternative, please upload it and link it on the [[WikiFur:Logo ideas|logo ideas page]], and if I and possibly others think it looks good, I'll add it in. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Well I had been considering just a simple resize of '''[[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]''''s logo - [[Image:Wikifurmel-vs-1.png]] - as an intirim solution, or even '''[[User:Seth C Triggs|Seth C Triggs]]''' new one. Personally I just find the Wikicities logo to be a bit ugly (and slightly confusing over the search) and think anything would be an improvement at the moment. ^^ *Yawn* Anyway ~ 4:30am! Really should go to sleep now. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 18:06, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I think I'll use Seth's for there, since we've already got Mel's image once but your button would go great as a link button - I've put it on the [[WikiFur:About|about page]]. Thanks! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:26, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Strange layout issue ==

Hi GreenReaper,
I've just been tinkering with the [[Furfire]] article which for some very odd and unusual reason was causing the entire Wiki CSS layout to collapse in a rather horrible way (See [http://users.bigpond.net.au/coles/Data/strangelayout.png image]). The strange thing is that it only seems that it only affected the most recent revision of the article despite there being the same markup in the article. (I originally noticed something wrong with [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Furfire&oldid=167083 rev. 167083] but when I look at it in the history the layout appears to be just fine.

The bit of markup that I believe to be possibly suspect is:

<code><nowiki><div style="float:right">__TOC__</div></nowiki></code>

Once I removed this it appeared to come good. Does this make any sense to you why this would happen? I even dropped over to IE7 just in case my version of Firefox was on the fritz, but it persisted there too.

It looks like it's fixed now - but I still feel that that was really quite odd. -[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 14:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:This is due to a problem with the cached version of such pages when edited by either anonymous users or users with the wikiwyg system turned on, which incorporates additional markup into the page. The root cause is that it encloses things in a span and half of the div is within the span. I had hoped they would have fixed this by now, but it appears not. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::Alright, in that case I guess there's not all that much more that can be done that hasn't already been fixed. Thanks for the clarification. -[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 15:32, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:GreenReaper

2007-10-19T15:31:12Z

Composingliger: /* Strange layout issue */

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== ED ==

You added a link to the ED article on yourself... to your own page here?
I don't mean any offense or anything, it's just a little curious, since Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't really the most flattering site to be featured on... - [[User_talk:Saruuk|Saruuk]]

:No, [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=GreenReaper&diff=144814&oldid=144547 I didn't]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== RBW event status ==

:''Regarding [[User talk:Foxberance#Convention vs. party vs. event]]''

As the main organizer for both the 2007 and 2008 RBW conventions i would like to point out that we ARE a convention.

We have in fact a number of specific tracks for fursuiting, spiritual Furs, art, and general entertainment. We also are based at two location. The 'Party' aspect being held on the boat on the Saturday evening along with the more traditional programming being held at the main venue throughout Saturday and Sunday. 2007 and 2008 have specific affiliated hotels to the convention. RBW as of 1st July will be a registered UK charity and LLP As myself (Foxb) and Rapido as the chairmen.

For 2008 we are holding the event at a major and yet to be disclosed venue in London across 4 days. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Foxberance|Foxberance]] ([[User talk:Foxberance|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Foxberance|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:I'd like to see what other people think of this, so I'll bring it up as a question on the [[Talk:Red Blue & White|appropriate talk page]]. I would note that there is no mention of a hotel on your website, and in fact the only thing it says about accommodation is that it is not provided as part of the registration. The term "track" is also generally used to refer to several things happening simultaneously in different locations rather than one after the other. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

==Newspaper Articles==
Hi GR. Just writing wondering if you can clarify the way articles on newspaper pieces should look?

Sine has gone and removed the italicization of the title from two entries I put in today: [[Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My‎]], [[March of the Furries]]. (I'd originally copied the format from an earlier article about a Denver Westword piece: [[Let's Pretend We're Bunny Rabbits]].)

Is Sine's way correct? (It seems to be, I think Sine is using an accepted style, but I thought I'd double-check before spending time going through the list of Media Coverage articles and standardizing them all - there are few in there that italicize the title).

Also, some articles on newspaper/magazine columns have the "(year) events" category whilst others don't. What's the correct thing here?
-- [[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I would generally agree with this. The titles of newspaper articles are typically encased in quotes if there is a need to offset them from the text. Given that they are already bolded (being the title of the page) this is probably not necessary. We would italicize the name of the publication.

:It's tempting to suggest that we should use [[:Category:News by date]] for this, but it's probably a good idea to keep the two concepts separate. We do have the [[Timeline of media coverage]] for non-furry media. I don't think the date categorization really adds much in this case, so it could be removed (they're not really an event). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

==Bad Redirect==

Hello. Using http://www.wikifur.com leads to the page http://furry.wikia.com/wiki , which is a 404 Not Found. Been like this for a few weeks I think, but not before. What's going on, I'm scared! -some furry

:Hi there! This is due to an upgrade which broke a couple of features, including the redirect from that address. I actually changed the redirect back when I found out this was happening, and it works fine for me, but it may well have been cached at your end. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Greetings From Halopedia! ==
''Greetings Sentient, The entity Saboteur and the entity Iratus have been been deleted. Make no further Contact, As their memory Matrix are now both mine and currently under Investigation. I am sorry this has caused you problems. Take care. 1707<Umbra>-Security A.I. of Halopedia''

Sorry for that, It's more for effect, anyways, down to buisness. I am aware You had 2 Users by the names of '''Saboteur''' and '''Iratus''', and that they both apparently vandalized pages of your Site. I Regret to inform You that these were both the same Person. And I know exactly who (I cannot say his name due to privacy rights). I work on Halopedia mostly at my school, and as a result, I had a bonehead who watched what I was doing. He did not like me much and as a result, created a account and vandalized my page. When we booted him, he must have moved onto you page and vandalized your files. (As why your Site, He hated anything that was not gangsta or of gangster style and just ran across your site.) I regret all that has happened and hope for the best the damage was minimal(May I ask How bad The Damage Was? He usually like rape,porn and sex related "Stuff"). If you wish to contact me, Leave a message on this site, or more preferably on Halopedia on the Userpage WRAITH as I will likely forget this site and you message! Anyways I lok forward to seeing you in the future and wish you the best of Luck.
Regards;
WRAITH-Halopedia Representitive

== WTF!?!? ==

You know, you've really demonstrated why I made the right choice to get the hell away from you furries.

I posted a warning about a person who vicitimized me, abused me, left me in a horrible financial situation, and even said he plans to kill someone, all of these FACTS, and you accuse me of attacking someone and delete the post, and don't even bother to contact me.

What the F*** is the matter with you?

Fine, to hell with you if you want to shield Siege, and let him continue to attack other furries. Your name will go down with a list of many others once Siege is put in jail for felony assault, fraud, domestic abuse and much more and the truth is known, the truth I am trying like hell to get out.

You can't imagine how pissed off this makes me feel. Every where I turn, there's Siege, lying, being protected, being allowed to, enabled, to abuse and possibly kill people because people like you can't have the common decency to check things out.

Why didn't I post proof? First, I didn't see a way to post images. Second, I can't legally post Siege's father's phone number. Third, I can't legally post the name of his employer so that that lie can be verified. Fourth, what the hell sense does it make for me to post the name and location of the person Siege has threatened to kill? What are you, f*ing stupid, or do you WANT to see him killed? Is that the only way you people will see the truth; or will you find some way to blame that on me too?

You know, its bad enough that Siege f*ed me over; took advantage of me, abused me, deprived me of my ability to finish college, much less survive; took away my ability to be financially independent (I'm disabled)...now I have to continue to be victimized by you, Maui, and all the other people who believe a sociopath over a victim.

I want you to do me, and yourself, and the furry community a HUGE f*ing favor. Try to imagine how I feel, what I"m going through...its quite easy, just pretend in that brain of yours, that what I said was all factual. If you can do that, if you can imagine what it was like for me, then you will understand how difficult it is to restrain myself from going totally off on you for this. {{unsignedIP|4.242.147.72}}

:What you posted was an essay, not an encyclopedia article. It was purely intended as an attack on the character of its subject and contained several unsubstantiated statements from your point of view. ''Regardless'' of whether or not it was true (something that none of us could have proved to our own satisfaction from the zero references given), it was not a good article. General policy in this case is to delete unsubstantiated attacks and stick with the bare minimum of facts that we can confirm. As none of it was referenced, the entire article was deleted (by [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Siegewolf another administrator], I might add - but I do agree with him).

:WikiFur is not the court of Internets justice. Nor is it our job to "check things out". If you wish to make such statements on WikiFur, it is ''your'' job to provide us with all the sources necessary to do so without risk. If there is a serious problem then you should go to the real world police and talk to them - and any action that they take will provide a series of referencable documents that can be used in the construction of an article, if necessary. If you want to make an assertion of facts that you cannot provide third-party proof for then you should do so on your personal web page or journal. This is not the place for it, any more than an issue of Encyclopedia Brittanica would be the place to announce new research or accuse someone of corruption.

:Ultimately, we do not wish to be responsible for defaming someone. Unless what you say is true, defamation is exactly what your essay is, and we're not willing to take that risk just on your word. There is a big difference between saying "Person X says this" and "we say this" - and your essay was the latter. If we say bad things about someone, we must take reasonable care to assure their accuracy, and that is why we insist on references in such cases - so that we can attribute accusations and base our own statements on verifiable facts. Without such proof, we risk opening ourselves up to legal liability for publishing statements with reckless disregard as to whether or not they are true. See the bottom of [[Sibe]] for the level of referencing that is considered appropriate. That article is not perfect in other ways, but we are at least reasonably sure that the statements within it are accurate and that we won't get sued for it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

:: It seems that he is throwing quite the temper tantrum in his LJ, too. [http://rex-beowulf.livejournal.com/138227.html] [http://rex-beowulf.livejournal.com/138302.html] --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 03:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, is there a way we can calmly put some of that information out. Surely, he has screenshots of emails, chat logs and transcripts? - Shadow Hito

:::: Sure, if he posts them somewhere that we can cite in a reference. As it is, he's pretty much asking us to take his word for it. And that just won't fly for that sort of controversial material. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 13:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

== WikiFur News ==

Despite the [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007 bashing] the [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Furry_fans_flock_to_Further_Confusion_2007 last furry convention article] received, will you consider posting WikiFur News' reportage of Anthrocon to Wikinews? We're always looking for original reporting, especially from reporters who's writing is as strong and interesting as yours. -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 19:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

: Sure, as long as Wikinews doesn't mind it going up here as well. I may decide to condense the end result somewhat for Wikinews, as I plan to make several shorter posts here as ongoing coverage. Others may also be writing about it, but [[WikiFur:WikiFur News|WikiFur News]] is [[WikiFur:Copyrights|dual-licensed CC-BY-2.5]] so there should be no problem with that. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:12, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

: Indeed, stories are [[News:Pittsburgh playwrights pen furry musical, invite Anthrocon attendees to observe reading|already in development]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:: <s>Just thinking, you have to tell people WikiFur News contributors that any changes they make to your article on this site are co-licensed as CC-BY, not just the normal GFDL.</s> As soon as I typed that, I read about the dual licensing, that's great! I don't know why the Wikia default is GFDL, instead of Creative Commons, GFDL is such a weird license, since you technically have to reprint a whole three-page document with even just a sentence excerpted.

:: Yeah, whatever length or format you'd like.

:: I've published the article about the play, and tacked on a "in other news" bit from [[News:Anthrocon selects Animal Friends as 2007 charity|this article]], just to highlight the whole charitable element. Thanks! -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 14:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::: Hi, I've asked the anon on their talk page, about [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fursuit&diff=prev&oldid=131464305 this edit]. Hopefully they reply.

::: Great article on the con on Wikinews, I've reworded a little teeny bit here and there, and added a definition of what a fursuit is. (When I posted your play article, people were entirely dumbfounded what a furry is, which is I guess better than the default response so many have.

::: I've added Lucky Coyote's pic to the fursuit article on Wikipedia. Do you know Blondefoxy to any extent? Presumably she has no qualms against the picture use, however I had asked a few weeks ago if she'd release a picture of Lucky or Lucky + Skuffy(?) under a Creative Commons license for Wikipedia, no reply. I don't want to peave anyone off... -- [[User:Zanimum|Zanimum]] 16:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Thanks for adding your clarification to [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Anthrocon_2007_draws_thousands_to_Pittsburgh_for_furry_weekend the article]. Sometimes it's hard to know what things do or don't need further explaining in the body text (the article was already very long, so I was hesitant to put in much more exposition). I didn't know you posted the one about the play; I've added that to the related news section.

::::I must admit that I do not know Blondefoxy/[[Lucky Coyote|Lucky]] personally, and indeed I did not know that was another name of hers. Most fursuiters tend to be fairly happy about people showing off their costumes, though, and Lucky was one of those actively participating in group skits and posing for pictures. You could try the other contact details on her [http://bloody-kryptonite.deviantart.com/ deviantART account] if you really want to contact her about it. Oh, and her mate is [[Skuff Coyote]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Kalika Futago ==

The article for [[Kalika Futago]] needs to be renamed [[Kalika Tybera]]. She changed her furry name to reflect her marriage to her mate, Nace Tybera ([[BigKittyWolf]]). --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] 22:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:Looks like someone was watching. And thank you for your [[WikiFur:Ledger|recent donation]]! The WikiFur account was looking a little low after all of those Anthrocon purchases. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

==Question from RVDDP2501/possible new article==

Hey GreenReaper, listen, I'm sorry to bother you. I just found out on the internet about some new comic book from Image Comics called "The Astounding Wolf-Man", there is a rather small page about it on wikipedia.org. my question is should there be an article about it here as well, I've never asked about making a page here about something on wikipedia before so I'm not sure about my place here in asking this question or if there is even a need to make one, I just thought I'd ask considering the subject matter of the comic since it deals with well a werewolf. I hope I haven't bothered you with my (hopefully not a stupid) question, ok then, see ya and I look forward to your question - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 01:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:Tricky question. I'm not sure there is a need, since it doesn't really seem all that furry to me. I could be wrong, but it seems to be more of a classical werewolf/vampire/creatures of the night thing. A reviewer [http://www.ifanboy.com/archive/weblog/ifanboy_preview.html didn't think much of it] on its giveaway in [[Wikipedia:Free Comic Book Day|Free Comic Book Day]]. Here's some [http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11010 pictures from issue 2]. I'd personally give it a few more issues to see if it turns out to have any kind of a lasting impact, or starts to go beyond the "oh me, oh my, I'm a werewolf, I have super powers to do good and/or evil" genre. But that's just me. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Fair enough, I just thought I'd bring this to your attention :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 10:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Image replacement ==

You can delete [[:Image:Jtw-kitchshorts.jpg]]. It has been replaced. --[[User:Kitch|Kitch]] 22:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Extinctioners Page ==

Hey GreenReaper, I was wondering if I could ask your opinion or help on the Wikipedia Extinctioners page. The Page had a second deletion debate and survived but in the process, all links to the Wikifur page were removed, I was wondering what can be done, can a link to the main page be put back in the external links section? there was this huge wikifur link removal thing which I only heard bits and pieces about which I think was envolved with the links being removed. I would really like to put back the link since the wikifur article has much better coverage on the topic but I just don't know if doing so would restart the removal process or threaten my membership with wikipedia. What do you think I should do? Oh, here is the link to the question posted by Labfox - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Extinctioners#Wikifur_Link - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 21:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

:If you think a link is good you should put it back. If it gets taken out again, take it to the talk page. Nobody is going to ban you over that (at least not unless you keep doing it after being told not to by several people :-). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:04, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

== Request for blanking ==

I would like to ask if you could blank the page http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Alvero

The thing is written totally by Mitch from Crushyiffdestroy and is all about the time they were harrassing me online, I didn't even know it was on here until today.

- [[User:Alvero|Alvero]]

:I will note your request on the [[Talk:Alvero|discussion page]], and if the consensus is to exclude then we will do so. Our general policy is to do so unless there is a good reason not to, and I don't immediately see one here, just a lot of drama over a single issue.

:(For what it's worth, if the story element you disliked had been included maliciously, I don't think the author would have gotten so angry about your accusation.) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I second this vote —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:71.155.232.212|71.155.232.212]] ([[User talk:71.155.232.212|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.155.232.212|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:Umm, it's not really a vote, and it should be discussed [[Talk:Alvero|here]]. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== 6-2-1 rule ==

I noticed you removed [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=6-2-1_rule&diff=150527&oldid=150492 this edit], and I was wondering why - do you know it to be false? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Do we know it to be true? ;) Without a citation or even an edit summary, I'm loathe to assign a single creator to a term based on an anonymous edit. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 01:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:Also, a bit of snooping into recent edits shows that the person named is the creator of the "new" 6-2-1 rule, not the original. The edit I reverted lists him as the creator of the original 6-2-1 rule. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 01:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

== Source? ==

First they came for the babyfurs, and I did not speak out, because I was not a babyfur.

Then they came for the plushies, and I did not speak out, because I was not a plushie.

Then they came for the balloonies, and I did not speak out, because I was not a balloonie.

Then they came for me . . . and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Where did the line "First they came for... and I did not speak out, because I was not a... Than they came for me...and there was no one left to speak out for me" line come from? [[User:Sirtim|Sirtim]] 12:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:Martin Niemöller|Martin Niemöller]]. See [[Wikipedia:First they came...]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== Redirecting for my WIKIA ==

Hello GR i only asking a little question if i want redirecting for my wikia no.wow what should i do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Zizanzu|Zizanzu]] ([[User talk:Zizanzu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zizanzu|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:Not quite sure what you mean by "redirecting", other than <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[pagename]]</nowiki>, which you can't usually do interwiki. To link there, use something like <nowiki>[[w:c:no.wow:Klasse|Klasse]]</nowiki>. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

== Request from RVDDP2501 (New Category) ==

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you maybe able to do something for me, I was wondering if you could create a new category for the extinctioners characters, specifically those who have appeared/debuted in a side comic called "Artic Blue" in the Extinctioners universe. The characters who have or will appear are the [[Extinctioners#Fem_Fatales|Fem Fatales]], [[The Cerberus Brothers]], [[Vincent Blackphox]], [[Reggy Bryghttail]] and a few others who will come later. You can view these comics at the extinctioners website or on Shawntae's art pages at deviantart.com or furaffinity.net. So I guess the name of the category would be called Artic Blue comic characters or something along those lines, thank you and once again, I'm sorry to bother you with this, see ya :) - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 13:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:The best title is probably [[:Category:Artic Blue characters]]. You could create that page and put <nowiki>[[Category:Extinctioners characters]]</nowiki> inside it, so that it is a subcategory. It is not necessary to have an administrator to do this, anyone can create categories. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thanks for your welcoming me, this is my first time in this kind of encyclopedical sites. - [[User:GatoGris|Gato Gris]]

== New User on Wiki ==

From Wynther Knight
About LXF

Hi there, thanks for letting me know someone is here to help. It's actually my time to do an article on an Wiki and I'm still trying to learn the ropes. Thanks for letting me know about the "show preview" button, as I still have toms of stuff to put in.

Thank you again :)

=="Not Certified = Not Artist?" News==
Just re-posting what I put in the talk section of that page, in case you didnt check: It's not personal drama any more than the "Krystal Meme". Trust me, this has effected a LOT of furaffinity members. I added it because I thought people out of the know needed a place to find out what was going on without having to wait for the monstrous page to load, or hear about it from biased, or angered sources. It has already reached LiveJournal and EncyclopediaDramatica, a place I doubt one can find unbiased furry news. It has spawned numerous pictures of its own, but no, lol, it hasnt necessarily caught the newsworthy eye of Vinci and Arty..-- [[User:AnonIhmus|AnonIhmus]]([[Usertalk:AnonIhmus|talk]])

This matters to a lot of people and affects a lot of people from the site, but whatever..Take it down, I dont give a shit.
My links did work, btw.

Not that it matters, but just fyi- this effected at least a thousand people, not one. I kinda said before it effected a lot of people, not just the journal poster, but people who saw it, people who heard about it and so on...It also made its way into 2 The Ranting Gryphon's show. ~Anon Ihmus

== Question ==

Hey GreenReaper, sorry to bother you but I was wondering if I could ask your opinion and help with something, I am in the process of creating a character page for a character who will soon appear in the Extinctioners Artic Blue Webcomic called "Neige Unuulaq (Frostbite)" who was originally created by [[Rei Vegan]], my question is in regards to an image created by Rei Vegan, a model/reference sheet for Frostbite - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/427311/ - Rei Vegan has given me permission to create the character page as well as use this reference sheet in the page but what do I do about the licencing info, do I need to get a licence from wikifur to use art by Rei Vagen? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

:You can upload it and say on the image page that Rei has given WikiFur permission to host the image, as long as Rei has told you that this is the case. If you say on the page that you have acquired a particular permission, we will generally take your word for it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion Question ==

Is it appropriate to mark outdated images of your own fursona for speedy deletion? Thought I'd check before I got myself into trouble ;) --[[User:Tikuko|Tikuko]] 18:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:No, that's fine. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

::As in it's allowed? --[[User:Tikuko|Tikuko]] 18:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wolves' Paradise]] Encyclopedia ==
Wolves' Paradise has set up a ''[http://wolfbbs.net/wiki/ Paradise Encyclopedia]'' that you can take a look at it. However it's license is CC-by-nd-sa(!) so it is impossible to share content between WPE and WikiFur. --<ruby><rb lang="ja">[[User:NekoYasha|猫夜叉]]</rb><rp>「</rp><rt style="font-size:6pt">NekoYasha</rt><rp>」</rp></ruby>([[User_talk:NekoYasha|talk]]) 03:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Tales from the Reservation ==
Saw what you did on TFTR & AJA pages....

Thanks! :D Now comes the fun part - re-reading and providing a better description of the story(as well as figuring out how to scan it in as a PDF without having each part be over 17MB in size :)) ).

[[User:69.95.242.1|69.95.242.1]] 12:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Carpe Diem ==
I'm flattered that Carpe Diem got the featured comic of the week/day/whatever. I also saw the new page, and was more flattered that someone took the time to do all that. I'll probably be adding to it, but I just wanted to say thanks. It made my day. :)

[[User:GraveyardGreg|Graveyard Greg]]

September 25, 2007

:No problem, and thanks for your additions. It always helps to get an authoritative source of information involved. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== i need help!! ==

Im trying to post my personal furrie story background and go into detail about my fursona... but ive never done this before on any willi site... IM LOST can u help me?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Roxwood|Roxwood]] ([[User talk:Roxwood|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roxwood|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:You've got the right page at [[Roxwood]]. I'll go through and tidy things up a bit. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

HOw exactally would i be able to do that??

i think im ok for now..... any suggestions please PLEASE enlighten me... im really new at this an appreciate the help

:My main suggestion is to look at all of the [[help]] pages, both on syntax and on how to write good articles. You might also want to check out some of the [[WikiFur:Featured articles/Complete|featured articles]] to see how good articles are written and presented (click the '''bold''' links on that page for the full articles). Obviously, most articles about people are unlikely to be featured, because there's only so much you can say about one person, but it's a target. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:48, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

== "See also" Re: "How To Be a Furry" ==

"''It is a WikiFur article''". Yes, but don't we follow that "See also"s links should be reserved to "related" Wikifur articles?; In this case, [[Crush! Yiff! Destroy!]], [[LOLfurries]] and [[Furfags.com]] are "related" due to their purpose and function; on the [[Drama]] article, [[Fursecution]] and [[Schadenfreude]] are "related" on the "See also" for their meaning and intent; On the [[Anthropomorphic]] article, etc, etc,..

Right now, [[How To Be a Furry]] is the odd man out on a "See also" that lists related web sites with this type of content, hence the "See also"s directs to '''related''' Wikifur/Wikipedia/Wiki articles and entries only''. Didn't say it was not a Wikifur article, just that needed to be "related." [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

: I placed [[How To Be a Furry]] under CYD's "See Also:" because CYD hosts the main online version of the article, and it's a satire article about furry drama and the [[furry fandom]] in general, which is certainly in CYD's domain. If CYD thought the work fit their motives enough to be hosted on their site, then that's related enough to CYD for my tastes. [[User:Jigsaw Forte|Jigsaw Forte]] 03:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

::CYD hosts a plethora a articles, images and miscellany in the vein of "How To Be a Furry." Adding all of them would just cluttered the "See also," or just having this article listed on the SE, and not the rest would seem to be favoritism. The CYD article could mentioned "How To Be a Furry" on the article itself, as a solution, which I can quickly edit in right now to see how it would look [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::: Fair enough; CYD article looks fine with it in, and association is still made between the two articles. That should work. [[User:Jigsaw Forte|Jigsaw Forte]] 03:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Aye. By the by, not antagonism was intended when I pointed out and made the first edit on your addition, just trying to follow the Wiki's ways of data presentation and formatting (which I still stumble over from time to time) =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for noticing, ==

I just added a little bit of information to the [[MewYear]] page.
I might add some more at a later time if some hasn`t done it by then already. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:O kill|O kill]] ([[User talk:O kill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/O kill|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

== Strange layout issue ==

Hi GreenReaper,
I've just been tinkering with the [[Furfire]] article which for some very odd and unusual reason was causing the entire Wiki CSS layout to collapse in a rather horrible way (See [http://users.bigpond.net.au/coles/Data/strangelayout.png image]). The strange thing is that it only seems that it only affected the most recent revision of the article despite there being the same markup in the article. (I originally noticed something wrong with [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Furfire&oldid=167083 rev. 167083] but when I look at it in the history the layout appears to be just fine.

The bit of markup that I believe to be possibly suspect is:

<code><nowiki><div style="float:right">__TOC__</div></nowiki></code>

Once I removed this it appeared to come good. Does this make any sense to you why this would happen? I even dropped over to IE7 just in case my version of Firefox was on the fritz, but it persisted there too.

It looks like it's fixed now - but I still feel that that was really quite odd. -[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 14:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:This is due to a problem with the cached version of such pages when edited by either anonymous users or users with the wikiwyg system turned on, which incorporates additional markup into the page. The root cause is that it encloses things in a span and half of the div is within the span. I had hoped they would have fixed this by now, but it appears not. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
::Alright, in that case I guess there's not all that much more that can be done that hasn't already been fixed. Thanks for the clarification. -[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 15:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

User talk:GreenReaper

2007-10-19T14:39:23Z

Composingliger: Strange layout issue

Furfire

2007-10-19T14:12:12Z

Composingliger: Slight rearangement of sections. Also seeing if removing the floated contents pane helps fix the layout

[[Image:FurFire20030809-2.jpg|right|frame|The ''Furfire'' crew stick together - no matter what!]]
'''''Furfire''''' is a [[furry]] [[web comic]] by [[Angela Beaman]], otherwise known as Silverfox Relahstar. The comics are separated into many arcs of variable length. This comic updates on a weekly basis.

==The History of Furfire==
The idea of Furfire originates from a story Angela wrote in the early 1990s named ''The Twilight Magic Project.'' She put the project on hold for a while as she experimented with other things such as [[Furcadia]], which eventually led her back to the project with renewed interest. Angela added the concept of "furmentials" and their powers over the elements and rechristened the project ''Furfire.'' In 2002, [[Terry Bailey]] joined the Furfire staff as a scriptwriter.

==Setting==
The story begins in the city of Talla'doon. Three races populate the world of Furfire: Humans, faffurs ([[anthropomorphic]] animals), and furmentials (faffurs with magical elemental powers). Later, due to a strange incident at an ancient temple, the story shifts to the world of the past.

==The plot so far==
{{spoiler}}
===Escape===
After a faro-bird knocks him unconscious during a mid-air battle, Savrin plummets to the ground. After unwillingly acting as a cushion, Diane ropes him (literally) into assisting her plot to rob an ancient temple. Diane inadvertently reveals her plan to the archaeologists at the temple, who promptly tie them up in a tent. During their excavation, the archaeologists trigger something ancient, releasing a horde of zairabats and opening a magic portal. One of the zairabats manages to give Diane a poisonous bite, putting her life in severe danger. With nowhere else to go, Savrin and Abbie leap through the portal with the unconscious Diane in tow.

===The Time Temple===
Several hours later, the trio land in a mysterious room with a pool of water. Soon discovered and led out of the temple by Quvas Litefoot, Savrin and Abbie realize that they were not in Talla'doon anymore. Quvas escorts them to the throne room of the Chief of the Wildtra.

The story then focuses on the present-day Talla'doon, detailing an exchange between the human Tyler Winchester and the rat Jaster Maivin. Jaster realizes that Tyler had seen Savrin, one of Vandabar Micker's former students, at the temple. Jaster then tells the tale of the Twilight Magic Team, of which Vandabar and Jaster's boss Cavecor Javrafar had been a part of. After an inexperienced Cavecor fell under the influence of the mysterious Shadow Dark, he turned on his fellow Team members, planning to usurp their elemental powers. Vandabar was the only one to survive Cavecor's assault, and he ran away into the night. Soon he began training new recruits, but only one had true potential: Savrin. He was the counterpart to Cavecor's new student, a female kangaroo he had mind-controlled when she was an infant.

===Wildtra - The First Tribe===
After Diane is taken away for healing, Savrin and Abbie find out that the Wildtra chief believes that they are a sign that an ancient legend has come to pass, that Diane is some sort of princess and the two guys are gods. In the guest room, Savrin takes a few minutes to worry about Diane and ponder where they were, theorizing that the portal had sent them into the past. Abbie initially discounts the notion, but the actions of the tribe members cause him to rethink this position. A festival is held in honor of the "gods."

===Tai'far===
Diane sneaks into Savrin's room while he is asleep, wakes him, and tells him that she overheard a guard plan to overthrow the chief along with something called the "Tai'far." Two shadowy assailants kidnap Diane and render Savrin unconscious. When he awakes, Savrin learns that the Wildtra chief and Abbie have gone missing as well. He eventually discovers their trail in the woods. Another shadowy faffur attacks Savrin, slashing Savrin's ear. Quvas appears in the nick of time, killing the assailant and removing the poison spines now embedded in Savrin's ear. Quvas unmasks the corpse, revealing a black weasel - a Tai'far assassin. The Tai'far are the "hidden enemy" of the Wildtra, the ones who the gods in the legend were supposed to dispatch. While the chief believes in the legend wholeheartedly, Quvas has his doubts. Diane and Abbie languish in a Tai'far prison.

The plot also shifts again to the present, centering upon a skunk named Taxwin. He is apparently drowning his sorrows and his memories of female named Lilly in beer when the feline faffur Katina appears to drag him home. Elsewhere, Tyler has a clandestine meeting with an unnamed male feline. Vandabar is shown practicing his fire magic and wondering where his lost student Savrin had gone.

===Zephyr's Tale===
Diane and Abbie discover a firewolf furmential in the prison cell next to them who promptly attacks Diane; Abbie halts his attack. The other prisoner reveals his name (Zephyr) and his heritage (firewolf furmential), the latter via transforming into his firewolf form. He notes that he had been in the prison for 9 months, and then launches into a story of how his brother Inavara betrayed him during a raid on a Tai'far camp, leaving him with a mysterious female Tai'far captor.

===The Fur Hunter===
Quvas seems to become quite aggravated whenever someone mentions his son’s death, even going as far as physically threatening Savrin when he asks a question about the incident. Then, without warning, they are ambushed by Maxwell Freeman, aka the Fur Hunter. Maxwell manages to paralyze Quvas and is about to remove his tail when Savrin hurries to the rescue. During the ensuing fight, Maxwell notices that Savrin did not appear to possess the abilities of a full-blooded furmential. While Savrin distracts the hunter by burning his leg, Quvas runs away, but Maxwell lodges a poisoned dagger in his arm. Savrin and Quvas do escape from the hunter, though. In his thoughts, Maxwell acknowledges that he cannot pursue the pair in his current state while also revealing that he works for Inavara.

At the same time, ten miles away, Diane accidentally creates a hole in the prison wall while bemoaning her lack of thieving skills. She also grudgingly helps Zephyr escape from the leg-chain that had been nullifying his magical powers; he immediately blows up the bars separating him from Abbie and Diane. Zephyr silences Diane’s angry protests with a kiss, which only incurs more of Diane’s wrath. The bickering continues until a sudden noise discloses the presence of what appeared to be Zephyr’s captor.

===Loss of the Love===
Back to the present, the plot focuses on Taxwin, who has a flashback to the times when he was training to become a member of the New Twilight Magic Team with the love of his life, Lilly, Vandabar’s top student. Taxwin had a nasty habit of teasing Vandabar’s “son,” Savrin. Vandabar sent his students on a simple scouting mission, which went horribly wrong after a surprise attack left Lilly dead. It was then that Taxwin left the New Twilight Magic Team. Shortly after that, Savrin ran away.

In the past, Quvas rested after Maxwell’s attack. Unbeknownst to him, the poison was taking effect. Savrin thought about some of the things that had been said about him in recent days and remembered what Vandabar had said to cause Savrin to abandon the kindly old horse. One day, Vandabar had recounted the tale of the firewolves, that had one day gone rabid and began a massive killing spree. After one of these slaughters, Vandabar had found Savrin in the ruins of the city and revealed that Savrin was most likely a human-firewolf hybrid. The shock of this information sent the young Savrin into a powerful rage, destroying the room. Terrified of what lay within him, Savrin ran away, leaving Vandabar to call weakly after him. Quvas quickly brings Savrin out of his reverie.

===Queen of the Tai'far===
In fact, the visitor is not Zephyr’s captor, but her daughter: Yuira, queen of the Tai’far. She uses her powers of hypnosis to hold Zephyr in a daze until Diane breaks her mesmerizing gaze with a piece of rubble. Yuira retaliates by putting Diane in a chokehold until Zephyr utilizes a flame spell to break the hold. When Yuira returns with reinforcements, Zephyr once again becomes a firewolf. With Abbie and Diane on his back, he blasts the wall to create and exit and leaps out into the moat.

In the present, Tyler stands watch outside of the ancient temple. The male feline (Tyler revealed that his name was Fu) contacts him telepathically and reminds him of his task, which is apparently to retrieve a carving from the ruins.

===The Yellow Rose===
The wound is affecting Quvas more than he lets on. Despite his valiant attempts to continue, he collapses. Quvas then comes to the realization that Maxwell’s dagger was poisoned. Since the rules of the High Guard state that one cannot return if one has been injured outside of the village, Savrin takes Quvas to the nearest town in order to heal him and allow him to return to his tribe. As the town isn’t exactly friendly towards furmentials, Savrin disguises himself with a stolen robe. At the Inn of the Yellow Rose, a pink and yellow vixen ([[HollyAnn]]) comes to Quvas and Savrin’s aid when Savrin gets into a fight. Conveniently enough, Hollyann is also a healer. Due to the seriousness of his wound, she uses a rather unorthodox method: She allows him to die, then resurrects him. Because of his brush with death, Quvas finally comes to terms with his son’s death. Later that night, Savrin goes to thank the vixen, but she had already disappeared into the forest.

Diane, Abbie, and Zephyr survive the leap from the prison tower into the river. Diane and Zephyr promptly resume their bickering. The three find a log and peacefully float down the river, lulling Diane to sleep; she has a dream of her beloved father disappearing into a bright light. Shortly afterwards, the log washes up on the shore. Zephyr roughly retrieves his blade from Diane; after a jibe from Abbie he threatens to turn the blade on him. Due to this, Abbie promptly kicks Zephyr out of the group.

Yuira meets with Inavara, who apparently plotted with Yuira so the two could gain power in their respective groups.

===The Brothers' Feud – Part 1===
Zephyr is resting on a branch when a figure cloaked in shadow knocks him out of the tree. After a short battle, the figure uses a confinement stone to seal Zephyr’s firewolf form and then reveals himself to be Gera, Zephyr’s godfather. He also informs the feisty firewolf that his brother, who he thought was dead, was in fact very much alive. Zephyr learns that he cannot return to his tribe because Inavara erased any trace of him from their memories.

Abbie and Diane wake up early in the morning, just in time to hear the cry of a Tai’far pursing them. When confronted by the Tai’far, Abbie takes it upon himself to defend Diane. One attempts to kill Diane, but Inavara cuts it down in mid-leap, reminding the Tai’far that he wanted the pair alive. As Inavara threatens Diane to divulge Zephyr’s location, Zephyr solves that problem by appearing to confront his brother. When Inavara shifts to his firewolf form, Zephyr finds himself unable to do the same due to Gera’s confinement stone. Thus, what appears to be a David vs. Goliath battle commences.

During a nightmare about his past, Savrin suddenly awakes in a strange realm. A spirit informs him that it brought him into this realm to comfort him, as the spirit had overheard Savrin’s nightmare. Then the spirit sends Savrin back into his body, but its parting words strike Savrin as particularly odd… what did it mean by “You hold my only safety?” Something Quvas says triggers an enraged magical reaction from Savrin and he falls unconscious, so Quvas decides to go back to the camp to find out what exactly is wrong with him. The spirit drags Savrin back into the other realm. The spirit finally shows herself, taking a canine form. She tells Savrin that whoever has the sword (the sword Savrin had stolen from Vandabar before he ran away) is her keeper.

===The Brothers’ Feud – Part 2===
As Diane and Abbie run away from the battle, they encounter Quvas and Savrin. After the cheerful reunion, Diane speedily returns to her argumentative ways with the furmential. Savrin notices a couple of bright flashes emanating from the clearing where Zephyr and Inavara were fighting and flies over to help, but he distracts Zephyr, giving Inavara an opportunity to knock him out. By now, Inavara has reverted to his lower form. Zephyr recovers in time to return the favor. Savrin creates a smoke cloud to facilitate a hasty escape. They do not get far before Inavara finds the pair and knocks Savrin out. As falls down towards the river, Zephyr uses an airshell necklace to allow him and Savrin to breathe underwater. Abbie, Diane, and Quvas rush over to where Savrin and Zephyr fell into the water, only to see Inavara about to flush them out with fire. Inavara flies off after a tense standoff with Quvas. Abbie pulls the two firewolves ashore. As the group leaves, Inavara spies on them, with a few silent parting words for his brother.

===Xasalas===
In the world of Talla’doon, Xasalas is the weeklong holiday at the end of the year celebrating peace and unity, where everyone tosses aside their differences. Abbie walks through the snow until he runs into Diane, who had been caught stealing some fruit. Hiding Diane in the snow, Abbie led her pursuer in the wrong direction. Abbie and Diane then head to the cave where Zephyr and Savrin were waiting. The mere mention of Xasalas stirs up some old memories of Savrin’s past. Stomping outside into the snow, Savrin remembers the last time he had celebrated Xasalas, before the taxes became so high that Vandabar could not afford presents. An avalanche catches Savrin off-guard, but he emerges unscathed. A light-fly named Eoira leads him to a Xasalas party, where all of the magical folk can frolic. Savrin awakes to Diane and Zephyr. Was his Xasalas experience just a dream? Zephyr discloses that he had a similar experience years ago, something only those of magic could experience.

===Sleepers===
In the present, Tyler and another human meet with Fu and present him a charcoal rubbing of the massive boulder. Fu throws away the rubbing when he realizes it is a fake. Tyler’s partner had been continually aggravating Fu with his angry comments, eventually drawing the wrath of the faffur. Fu sends Tyler off to the college to get a copy of the map from the leader of the excavation.

Returning to the past, Diane and Savrin resume arguing and Abbie finally reveals that he had been acting stupid all along simply to build Diane’s self esteem. The three finally get around to making formal introductions. Abbie tells Savrin that he is adopted, and Savrin informs the others that he was abandoned as a baby and is a human/firewolf hybrid. Savrin has another angry reaction when Abbie mentions the Great Slaughter, forcing Abbie to knock him out with a blow to the head.

The spirit in the sword draws both Zephyr and Savrin into the spirit realm. Savrin decides to call her “Kira” as opposed to the gibberish that is her real name. Kira tells the two firewolves to seek out the elf Erior and they awake shortly afterwards.

Without warning, Zephyr and Savrin fly off. As it turns out, they flew off due to an encroaching band of thieves: The Red Claw. Abbie manages to kill one before they all attack the heroes. Quvas and Abbie fend them off for a short while before Savrin and Zephyr leap into action, driving the thieves off after Zephyr handily dispatched their leader. The gang stumbles upon the apparently abandoned Wildtra village. While exploring the village, Zephyr and Savrin discover a little Wildtra girl. Zephyr almost attacks the girl, but Savrin stops him just in time. The little girl is Tara, daughter of the Wildtra chief and Quvas’ “niece.” Apparently when the Tai’far had attacked a couple of days before, they had put everyone into a deep sleep with their powder.

===Warrior's Vendetta===
A black musteline faffur approaches Inavara in the forest, claiming he knows where Zephyr and the gang have gone. A tense truce is reached as the two trek towards the Wildtra village.

Everyone in the village has fallen into a deep sleep except little Tara. Savrin, Zephyr, Diane, and Abbie head over to the bath-hut, for they haven’t washed in days. Diane is the first to sample the wonders of the bath-hut, until Zephyr accidentally wanders into her room. Outside the village, the musteline and Inavara make their stealthy entrance. The ferret trips Zephyr, taking the opportunity to compare the feather he carried around with him to the feathers on Zephyr’s back: An exact match. The ferret lays down the challenge and a swordfight commences. The battle turns into a fistfight after they abandon their swords in the wall. While Abbie throws a dirt clod at the ferret, Quvas sneaks up from behind and delivers a hard knock to the back of the head.

When he awakens, Sable Flame (for that is his name) states that he is out to exact revenge upon his father’s killer. The only evidence of the horrendous crime had been a single feather, apparently one of Zephyr’s. Diane postulates that Zephyr was framed. Regardless, Zephyr becomes so enraged that Abbie and Quvas dump him in a bathtub to cool off. He emerges in a robe which he immediately complains about. Abbie takes matters into his own hands, yanking Zephyr’s wing until he quiets down. Next, Sable turns his attention to Savrin, managing to irk him as well. Inavara waits outside, overhearing the conversation in its entirety. Everyone leaves the room except for Tara and Sable. Sable privately reveals to Tara that he believes that Zephyr was framed. Savrin has yet another nightmare, this time about being attacked by Inavara in firewolf form.

In the morning, Quvas unties Sable and lets him go, but not before Tara drags him back to say his goodbyes. Inavara accosts Sable in the forest, but Sable simply sprays something in his face and runs off. Later, Inavara ambushes Sable again, but this time a sword battle ensues. Sable coats his blade with a sleep-inducing herb he was collecting earlier, effectively knocking out Inavara for the next hour. Sable saunters off into the distance and Inavara flies off into the sky when he awakes.

===Inner Demons – Part 1===
Zephyr quickly returns to his teasing ways after Savrin drops a bucket of water. Savrin grabs his shirt and yells at him before collapsing. His voice quite oddly changes as well as his eyes, which become a deep shade of red. Savrin definitely does not appear to be himself, as he promptly threatens Zephyr, both physically and verbally. His magic is considerably stronger, as he almost incinerates Diane, but she ducks. He would have killed Zephyr had it not been for Quvas’ interference. Quvas quickly realizes that this was not Savrin. The spirit possessing him calls itself “Yuumei.” “This is my body now,” he claims. Abbie once again leaped into action, putting Savrin/Yuumei in a sleeper hold, taking him out for the moment. A blue mist emanates from Savrin and he apparently returns to normal.

In another location, a blind wanderer asks for directions. But when two ruffians attack him, he handily takes them out. One of them gets up and tries to attack him again, but the wanderer casts a spell that shows him two possible futures and warns him to choose his actions wisely.

===Inner Demons – Part 2===
Savrin awakes with no recollection of his transformation. Abbie had suffered some injuries during the fight, and was recovering as well. Being a furmential, Savrin is good to go while Abbie is still unconscious. The others do not mention what had happened earlier that day when Savrin joins them for dinner. Afterwards, when Zephyr and Savrin meditate, Savrin notices something odd occur. Zephyr reveals that he had performed a firewolf bonding ritual, one that linked their magical energies together. The resulting conversation awakens a disgruntled Abbie. Quvas recommends another day of rest, which everyone takes gladly.

The next morning, everyone awakens feeling refreshed. Quvas stays behind to watch over the sleeping populace while Diane, Abbie, Savrin, and Zephyr venture forth in search of a cure. While Diane and Zephyr argue again, Savrin wonders why he and Abbie had been injured. Something spooks the hoofra (their term for an equine animal), who throws Abbie onto the floor and sends the cart crashing into a ditch. A group of Tai’far assassins approach and Yuumei possesses Savrin once again. He reduces three of them to ashes and the last one runs away. But before Yuumei can turn on Zephyr, Savrin regains control of his body. The hoofra returns to Quvas, who starts fearing for Diane’s safety.

In another section of the forest, the leader of the Red Claw, Uito, curses Zephyr and promises revenge. Inavara appears, fire blasts the leader, and hurries off, muttering about how he had to “amuse myself with lesser beings.” A canine stranger remarks on Inavara’s talents as he walks by; Inavara demands to know who the stranger is.

===Inner Demons – Part 3===
After noticing the remains of the cart strewn all over the side of the road, Savrin gives up hope of finding a cure for the sleepers until Zephyr yells some sense into him. Savrin, Abbie, Diane, and Zephyr make a pact to stay together no matter what. Continuing on their trek, Diane refuses to walk past a pole with a strange carving on it and gets into an argument with Abbie over it. Yuumei for the third time possesses Savrin and tells everyone to be quiet. It seems that the carving on the pole causes anger in people and devours them and their emotions. Yuumei reveals that he had been lying dormant within Savrin since he was born. While Yuumei and the carving converse in the language of the spirits, Abbie, Diane, and Zephyr begin arguing again, only feeding the carving. Yuumei attempts to burn the carving, but to no avail. The statue retaliates with an energy blast to Yuumei’s back. Zephyr attempts to burn the statue with equally ineffective results. Yuumei gets up and tries again, succeeding this time. He promptly falls unconscious and Kira brings Savrin into the spirit realm. In the land of the conscious, Zephyr tells Abbie and Diane of Kira’s existence. Naturally, they think he is insane. When Savrin awakes, Zephyr throttles him when he denies the presence of Kira in his sword. Abbie truly believes that Zephyr had gone crazy and slaps him silly.

At sunset, the group reaches the resting house of a Dr. Simeon. Zephyr rests comfortably while Abbie disregards all of Savrin’s questions about what happened with the carving. Savrin has yet another odd dream, dragged into the spirit realm by Yuumei. Savrin looks into a mirror and is shocked to see Yuumei leap out of the mirror in Savrin’s form. Savrin awakes screaming. He manages to reassure himself that it was only a dream… until he heard Yuumei’s voice. Shortly afterward every other character without exception became possessed by a similar inner demon. The reason was never fully discovered, but the most widely accepted theory is that everyone was just that much of an attention whore.

===Against the Sides===
Professor Fetch has just finished teaching a class in the present. Tyler tries to get his attention (as part of Fu’s mission), but he just misses Fetch; Tyler dejectedly leaves the college. Jaster appears and drags him off to a meeting with Cavecor. Along the way, Tyler bumps into Palen. Cavecor asks Tyler about the “New Twilight Magic Team.” When Tyler comes up with nothing, Cavecor nearly kills him for neglecting his duties. But the Shadow Dark takes control of him and he gives orders to both Tyler and Jaster.

Cavecor flashes back to three decades ago, when he was just a fledgling member of the Twilight Magic Team. Frustrated by his inability to control his element, Cavecor angrily leaves the training center. He enters a tent in the local carnival and the mysterious blind wanderer from the end of the “Inner Demons – Part One” arc is sitting at the table. He warns Cavecor to refuse the ancient power that will allow him to vanquish the Twilight Magic Team, but Cavecor cockily refuses the advice. The Shadow Dark (in his faffur form – a black horse) approaches the Time Guardian and demands that he tells him the future. The Guardian refuses and the Shadow Dark attacks. It is unknown as to how this battle turned out.

Back in the presence, Cavecor realizes the folly of his deeds, but it is too late to change it. Jaster calls up a shadowy assassin and tells him to eliminate Fu, as per the Shadow Dark’s orders. The assassin’s enigmatic thoughts (“It’ll be like a family reunion”) suggests that the assassin is somehow related to Fu.

Katina enters Taxwin’s apartment, only to find him moodily sulking, pondering revenge for his dear Lilly. Katina proposes that Taxwin return to Vandabar and Taxwin finally agrees. While they walk through a park, a trio of punks accosts the two. While Taxwin momentarily holds off the three, Katina uses her water powers, but all it does is further enrage them. Vandabar senses Katina using her magic and sets off to assist her. Out of nowhere, Palen appears and kills the three. Taxwin recognizes Palen as the one who killed Lilly. Palen quickly takes him out, but she runs off upon Vandabar’s arrival. After they leave, one of the punks - a female bat - is actually alive. Palen sneaks into Taxwin’s room and stabs a picture of him, an act of symbolism.

==Cast==

===Main Characters===
;Savrin Furfire
:A human/firewolf furmential hybrid, Savrin is wary of revealing his furmential heritage. As his father was a human, he has no fur on his body and is without a tail.

;Diane Mai'lar
:A young feline faffur, Diane wishes only to become like her father, an accomplished thief. She has had various problems doing so, due to her limited skills.

;Abbalion "Abbie" Mai'lar
:Diane's adoptive older brother, he is much more skilled than Diane. However, the coyote faffur tends to act incompetent and stupid in order to boost his sister's self-esteem and confidence.

;Zephyr
:A cocky firewolf furmential, Zephyr looks down upon "normal" faffurs. Despite this attitude, he seems to have an infatuation with Diane.

;Kira
:She is the spirit that lives in Savrin's sword. While she has no form, she takes a canine faffur form out of respect for her companions.

;Vai'ray Stareye
:While she does share Zephyr's haughty attitude towards non-furmentials, this windhawk furmential healer has a soft spot for Diane.

;Inavara
:Zephyr's brother and a skilled swordsman, Inavara's quest is to end his brother's life, though he has yet to succeed.

;Yuumei
:A spirit much like Kira, Yuumei is far more malicious than the friendly Kira. Like all spirits, he is formless, but he prefers to copy his "host" Savrin's form. He possesses Savrin from time to time.

===Other Characters===

;Professor Fetch
:Leader of the archaeological dig at the beginning of the comic, he also teaches at the nearby college.

;Quvas Litefoot
:Guardian of the sacred Time-water temple and member of the Wildtra High Guard, Quvas discovered Savrin, Diane, and Abbie soon after their arrival in the past.

;Jaster Maivin
:Cavecor’s second-in-command, Jaster carries out all of his orders..

;Tyler Winchester
:A human rogue working for Jaster, he also appears to be taking orders from a male feline.

;Vandabar Micker
:A member of the Twilight Magic team and the lone survivor after Cavecor’s betrayal, he found Savrin as a baby and raised him as his own son.

;Cavecor Javrafar
:A wanderer prior to joining the Twilight Magic Team, Cavecor had not finished his training before confronting the Shadow Dark, as a result it took control of him.

;Taxwin Pacara
:A former member of Vandabar's New Twilight Magic Team, he left shortly after his love Lilly died. He did not finish his training; as such his power over the earth element is limited.

;Katina Shavara
:The only current member of the New Twilight Magic Team, Katina spends much of her time caring for the heartbroken Taxwin. She commands the element of water.

;Maxwell Freeman
:More infamously known as the Fur Hunter, Maxwell hunts furs so he can take their tails and sell them for high profits.

;Yuira
:The ruthless Queen of the Tai’far, Yuira killed her own mother in order to ascend to her current position.

;Palen Blackfurr
:The mute kangaroo who Cavecor had mind controlled, she becomes a killing machine at his command. It was Palen who had killed Lilly on the scouting mission.

;Fu
:A male fur with [[snow leopard]] markings, Fu is apparently Tyler’s second boss.

;Hollyann
:A traveling vixen, musician, and healer, she comes to Quvas and Savrin’s aid at the Inn of the Yellow Rose

;Gera
:An earthbear furmential, Gera is Zephyr’s godfather.

;Tara Mioow
:The daughter of the Wildtra chief, Tara is also Quvas’ “niece.” She was the only one who did not fall victim to the sleeping powder during the Tai’far raid.

;Sable Flame
:A wandering musteline faffur with an odd fascination with a certain firewolf feather.

;Shadow Dark
:An evil entity that took control of Cavecor years ago.

;Time Guardian
:A mysterious blind purple faffur, the Time Guardian (as the Shadow Dark referred to him) apparently has some power over time, as he is able to show people their futures. However, he acknowledges that what he knows is not set in stone.

==External links==
* [http://www.furfire.org/ Furfire]

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Furfire

2007-10-19T14:04:47Z

Composingliger: Fixed case in link to HollyAnn - Hopefully will also fix strange layout issue

[[Image:FurFire20030809-2.jpg|right|frame|The ''Furfire'' crew stick together - no matter what!]]
'''''Furfire''''' is a [[furry]] [[web comic]] by [[Angela Beaman]], otherwise known as Silverfox Relahstar. The comics are separated into many arcs of variable length. This comic updates on a weekly basis.

==The History of Furfire==
The idea of Furfire originates from a story Angela wrote in the early 1990s named ''The Twilight Magic Project.'' She put the project on hold for a while as she experimented with other things such as [[Furcadia]], which eventually led her back to the project with renewed interest. Angela added the concept of "furmentials" and their powers over the elements and rechristened the project ''Furfire.'' In 2002, [[Terry Bailey]] joined the Furfire staff as a scriptwriter.

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==Setting==
The story begins in the city of Talla'doon. Three races populate the world of Furfire: Humans, faffurs ([[anthropomorphic]] animals), and furmentials (faffurs with magical elemental powers). Later, due to a strange incident at an ancient temple, the story shifts to the world of the past.

==The plot so far==
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===Escape===
After a faro-bird knocks him unconscious during a mid-air battle, Savrin plummets to the ground. After unwillingly acting as a cushion, Diane ropes him (literally) into assisting her plot to rob an ancient temple. Diane inadvertently reveals her plan to the archaeologists at the temple, who promptly tie them up in a tent. During their excavation, the archaeologists trigger something ancient, releasing a horde of zairabats and opening a magic portal. One of the zairabats manages to give Diane a poisonous bite, putting her life in severe danger. With nowhere else to go, Savrin and Abbie leap through the portal with the unconscious Diane in tow.

===The Time Temple===
Several hours later, the trio land in a mysterious room with a pool of water. Soon discovered and led out of the temple by Quvas Litefoot, Savrin and Abbie realize that they were not in Talla'doon anymore. Quvas escorts them to the throne room of the Chief of the Wildtra.

The story then focuses on the present-day Talla'doon, detailing an exchange between the human Tyler Winchester and the rat Jaster Maivin. Jaster realizes that Tyler had seen Savrin, one of Vandabar Micker's former students, at the temple. Jaster then tells the tale of the Twilight Magic Team, of which Vandabar and Jaster's boss Cavecor Javrafar had been a part of. After an inexperienced Cavecor fell under the influence of the mysterious Shadow Dark, he turned on his fellow Team members, planning to usurp their elemental powers. Vandabar was the only one to survive Cavecor's assault, and he ran away into the night. Soon he began training new recruits, but only one had true potential: Savrin. He was the counterpart to Cavecor's new student, a female kangaroo he had mind-controlled when she was an infant.

===Wildtra - The First Tribe===
After Diane is taken away for healing, Savrin and Abbie find out that the Wildtra chief believes that they are a sign that an ancient legend has come to pass, that Diane is some sort of princess and the two guys are gods. In the guest room, Savrin takes a few minutes to worry about Diane and ponder where they were, theorizing that the portal had sent them into the past. Abbie initially discounts the notion, but the actions of the tribe members cause him to rethink this position. A festival is held in honor of the "gods."

===Tai'far===
Diane sneaks into Savrin's room while he is asleep, wakes him, and tells him that she overheard a guard plan to overthrow the chief along with something called the "Tai'far." Two shadowy assailants kidnap Diane and render Savrin unconscious. When he awakes, Savrin learns that the Wildtra chief and Abbie have gone missing as well. He eventually discovers their trail in the woods. Another shadowy faffur attacks Savrin, slashing Savrin's ear. Quvas appears in the nick of time, killing the assailant and removing the poison spines now embedded in Savrin's ear. Quvas unmasks the corpse, revealing a black weasel - a Tai'far assassin. The Tai'far are the "hidden enemy" of the Wildtra, the ones who the gods in the legend were supposed to dispatch. While the chief believes in the legend wholeheartedly, Quvas has his doubts. Diane and Abbie languish in a Tai'far prison.

The plot also shifts again to the present, centering upon a skunk named Taxwin. He is apparently drowning his sorrows and his memories of female named Lilly in beer when the feline faffur Katina appears to drag him home. Elsewhere, Tyler has a clandestine meeting with an unnamed male feline. Vandabar is shown practicing his fire magic and wondering where his lost student Savrin had gone.

===Zephyr's Tale===
Diane and Abbie discover a firewolf furmential in the prison cell next to them who promptly attacks Diane; Abbie halts his attack. The other prisoner reveals his name (Zephyr) and his heritage (firewolf furmential), the latter via transforming into his firewolf form. He notes that he had been in the prison for 9 months, and then launches into a story of how his brother Inavara betrayed him during a raid on a Tai'far camp, leaving him with a mysterious female Tai'far captor.

===The Fur Hunter===
Quvas seems to become quite aggravated whenever someone mentions his son’s death, even going as far as physically threatening Savrin when he asks a question about the incident. Then, without warning, they are ambushed by Maxwell Freeman, aka the Fur Hunter. Maxwell manages to paralyze Quvas and is about to remove his tail when Savrin hurries to the rescue. During the ensuing fight, Maxwell notices that Savrin did not appear to possess the abilities of a full-blooded furmential. While Savrin distracts the hunter by burning his leg, Quvas runs away, but Maxwell lodges a poisoned dagger in his arm. Savrin and Quvas do escape from the hunter, though. In his thoughts, Maxwell acknowledges that he cannot pursue the pair in his current state while also revealing that he works for Inavara.

At the same time, ten miles away, Diane accidentally creates a hole in the prison wall while bemoaning her lack of thieving skills. She also grudgingly helps Zephyr escape from the leg-chain that had been nullifying his magical powers; he immediately blows up the bars separating him from Abbie and Diane. Zephyr silences Diane’s angry protests with a kiss, which only incurs more of Diane’s wrath. The bickering continues until a sudden noise discloses the presence of what appeared to be Zephyr’s captor.

===Loss of the Love===
Back to the present, the plot focuses on Taxwin, who has a flashback to the times when he was training to become a member of the New Twilight Magic Team with the love of his life, Lilly, Vandabar’s top student. Taxwin had a nasty habit of teasing Vandabar’s “son,” Savrin. Vandabar sent his students on a simple scouting mission, which went horribly wrong after a surprise attack left Lilly dead. It was then that Taxwin left the New Twilight Magic Team. Shortly after that, Savrin ran away.

In the past, Quvas rested after Maxwell’s attack. Unbeknownst to him, the poison was taking effect. Savrin thought about some of the things that had been said about him in recent days and remembered what Vandabar had said to cause Savrin to abandon the kindly old horse. One day, Vandabar had recounted the tale of the firewolves, that had one day gone rabid and began a massive killing spree. After one of these slaughters, Vandabar had found Savrin in the ruins of the city and revealed that Savrin was most likely a human-firewolf hybrid. The shock of this information sent the young Savrin into a powerful rage, destroying the room. Terrified of what lay within him, Savrin ran away, leaving Vandabar to call weakly after him. Quvas quickly brings Savrin out of his reverie.

===Queen of the Tai'far===
In fact, the visitor is not Zephyr’s captor, but her daughter: Yuira, queen of the Tai’far. She uses her powers of hypnosis to hold Zephyr in a daze until Diane breaks her mesmerizing gaze with a piece of rubble. Yuira retaliates by putting Diane in a chokehold until Zephyr utilizes a flame spell to break the hold. When Yuira returns with reinforcements, Zephyr once again becomes a firewolf. With Abbie and Diane on his back, he blasts the wall to create and exit and leaps out into the moat.

In the present, Tyler stands watch outside of the ancient temple. The male feline (Tyler revealed that his name was Fu) contacts him telepathically and reminds him of his task, which is apparently to retrieve a carving from the ruins.

===The Yellow Rose===
The wound is affecting Quvas more than he lets on. Despite his valiant attempts to continue, he collapses. Quvas then comes to the realization that Maxwell’s dagger was poisoned. Since the rules of the High Guard state that one cannot return if one has been injured outside of the village, Savrin takes Quvas to the nearest town in order to heal him and allow him to return to his tribe. As the town isn’t exactly friendly towards furmentials, Savrin disguises himself with a stolen robe. At the Inn of the Yellow Rose, a pink and yellow vixen ([[HollyAnn]]) comes to Quvas and Savrin’s aid when Savrin gets into a fight. Conveniently enough, Hollyann is also a healer. Due to the seriousness of his wound, she uses a rather unorthodox method: She allows him to die, then resurrects him. Because of his brush with death, Quvas finally comes to terms with his son’s death. Later that night, Savrin goes to thank the vixen, but she had already disappeared into the forest.

Diane, Abbie, and Zephyr survive the leap from the prison tower into the river. Diane and Zephyr promptly resume their bickering. The three find a log and peacefully float down the river, lulling Diane to sleep; she has a dream of her beloved father disappearing into a bright light. Shortly afterwards, the log washes up on the shore. Zephyr roughly retrieves his blade from Diane; after a jibe from Abbie he threatens to turn the blade on him. Due to this, Abbie promptly kicks Zephyr out of the group.

Yuira meets with Inavara, who apparently plotted with Yuira so the two could gain power in their respective groups.

===The Brothers' Feud – Part 1===
Zephyr is resting on a branch when a figure cloaked in shadow knocks him out of the tree. After a short battle, the figure uses a confinement stone to seal Zephyr’s firewolf form and then reveals himself to be Gera, Zephyr’s godfather. He also informs the feisty firewolf that his brother, who he thought was dead, was in fact very much alive. Zephyr learns that he cannot return to his tribe because Inavara erased any trace of him from their memories.

Abbie and Diane wake up early in the morning, just in time to hear the cry of a Tai’far pursing them. When confronted by the Tai’far, Abbie takes it upon himself to defend Diane. One attempts to kill Diane, but Inavara cuts it down in mid-leap, reminding the Tai’far that he wanted the pair alive. As Inavara threatens Diane to divulge Zephyr’s location, Zephyr solves that problem by appearing to confront his brother. When Inavara shifts to his firewolf form, Zephyr finds himself unable to do the same due to Gera’s confinement stone. Thus, what appears to be a David vs. Goliath battle commences.

During a nightmare about his past, Savrin suddenly awakes in a strange realm. A spirit informs him that it brought him into this realm to comfort him, as the spirit had overheard Savrin’s nightmare. Then the spirit sends Savrin back into his body, but its parting words strike Savrin as particularly odd… what did it mean by “You hold my only safety?” Something Quvas says triggers an enraged magical reaction from Savrin and he falls unconscious, so Quvas decides to go back to the camp to find out what exactly is wrong with him. The spirit drags Savrin back into the other realm. The spirit finally shows herself, taking a canine form. She tells Savrin that whoever has the sword (the sword Savrin had stolen from Vandabar before he ran away) is her keeper.

===The Brothers’ Feud – Part 2===
As Diane and Abbie run away from the battle, they encounter Quvas and Savrin. After the cheerful reunion, Diane speedily returns to her argumentative ways with the furmential. Savrin notices a couple of bright flashes emanating from the clearing where Zephyr and Inavara were fighting and flies over to help, but he distracts Zephyr, giving Inavara an opportunity to knock him out. By now, Inavara has reverted to his lower form. Zephyr recovers in time to return the favor. Savrin creates a smoke cloud to facilitate a hasty escape. They do not get far before Inavara finds the pair and knocks Savrin out. As falls down towards the river, Zephyr uses an airshell necklace to allow him and Savrin to breathe underwater. Abbie, Diane, and Quvas rush over to where Savrin and Zephyr fell into the water, only to see Inavara about to flush them out with fire. Inavara flies off after a tense standoff with Quvas. Abbie pulls the two firewolves ashore. As the group leaves, Inavara spies on them, with a few silent parting words for his brother.

===Xasalas===
In the world of Talla’doon, Xasalas is the weeklong holiday at the end of the year celebrating peace and unity, where everyone tosses aside their differences. Abbie walks through the snow until he runs into Diane, who had been caught stealing some fruit. Hiding Diane in the snow, Abbie led her pursuer in the wrong direction. Abbie and Diane then head to the cave where Zephyr and Savrin were waiting. The mere mention of Xasalas stirs up some old memories of Savrin’s past. Stomping outside into the snow, Savrin remembers the last time he had celebrated Xasalas, before the taxes became so high that Vandabar could not afford presents. An avalanche catches Savrin off-guard, but he emerges unscathed. A light-fly named Eoira leads him to a Xasalas party, where all of the magical folk can frolic. Savrin awakes to Diane and Zephyr. Was his Xasalas experience just a dream? Zephyr discloses that he had a similar experience years ago, something only those of magic could experience.

===Sleepers===
In the present, Tyler and another human meet with Fu and present him a charcoal rubbing of the massive boulder. Fu throws away the rubbing when he realizes it is a fake. Tyler’s partner had been continually aggravating Fu with his angry comments, eventually drawing the wrath of the faffur. Fu sends Tyler off to the college to get a copy of the map from the leader of the excavation.

Returning to the past, Diane and Savrin resume arguing and Abbie finally reveals that he had been acting stupid all along simply to build Diane’s self esteem. The three finally get around to making formal introductions. Abbie tells Savrin that he is adopted, and Savrin informs the others that he was abandoned as a baby and is a human/firewolf hybrid. Savrin has another angry reaction when Abbie mentions the Great Slaughter, forcing Abbie to knock him out with a blow to the head.

The spirit in the sword draws both Zephyr and Savrin into the spirit realm. Savrin decides to call her “Kira” as opposed to the gibberish that is her real name. Kira tells the two firewolves to seek out the elf Erior and they awake shortly afterwards.

Without warning, Zephyr and Savrin fly off. As it turns out, they flew off due to an encroaching band of thieves: The Red Claw. Abbie manages to kill one before they all attack the heroes. Quvas and Abbie fend them off for a short while before Savrin and Zephyr leap into action, driving the thieves off after Zephyr handily dispatched their leader. The gang stumbles upon the apparently abandoned Wildtra village. While exploring the village, Zephyr and Savrin discover a little Wildtra girl. Zephyr almost attacks the girl, but Savrin stops him just in time. The little girl is Tara, daughter of the Wildtra chief and Quvas’ “niece.” Apparently when the Tai’far had attacked a couple of days before, they had put everyone into a deep sleep with their powder.

===Warrior's Vendetta===
A black musteline faffur approaches Inavara in the forest, claiming he knows where Zephyr and the gang have gone. A tense truce is reached as the two trek towards the Wildtra village.

Everyone in the village has fallen into a deep sleep except little Tara. Savrin, Zephyr, Diane, and Abbie head over to the bath-hut, for they haven’t washed in days. Diane is the first to sample the wonders of the bath-hut, until Zephyr accidentally wanders into her room. Outside the village, the musteline and Inavara make their stealthy entrance. The ferret trips Zephyr, taking the opportunity to compare the feather he carried around with him to the feathers on Zephyr’s back: An exact match. The ferret lays down the challenge and a swordfight commences. The battle turns into a fistfight after they abandon their swords in the wall. While Abbie throws a dirt clod at the ferret, Quvas sneaks up from behind and delivers a hard knock to the back of the head.

When he awakens, Sable Flame (for that is his name) states that he is out to exact revenge upon his father’s killer. The only evidence of the horrendous crime had been a single feather, apparently one of Zephyr’s. Diane postulates that Zephyr was framed. Regardless, Zephyr becomes so enraged that Abbie and Quvas dump him in a bathtub to cool off. He emerges in a robe which he immediately complains about. Abbie takes matters into his own hands, yanking Zephyr’s wing until he quiets down. Next, Sable turns his attention to Savrin, managing to irk him as well. Inavara waits outside, overhearing the conversation in its entirety. Everyone leaves the room except for Tara and Sable. Sable privately reveals to Tara that he believes that Zephyr was framed. Savrin has yet another nightmare, this time about being attacked by Inavara in firewolf form.

In the morning, Quvas unties Sable and lets him go, but not before Tara drags him back to say his goodbyes. Inavara accosts Sable in the forest, but Sable simply sprays something in his face and runs off. Later, Inavara ambushes Sable again, but this time a sword battle ensues. Sable coats his blade with a sleep-inducing herb he was collecting earlier, effectively knocking out Inavara for the next hour. Sable saunters off into the distance and Inavara flies off into the sky when he awakes.

===Inner Demons – Part 1===
Zephyr quickly returns to his teasing ways after Savrin drops a bucket of water. Savrin grabs his shirt and yells at him before collapsing. His voice quite oddly changes as well as his eyes, which become a deep shade of red. Savrin definitely does not appear to be himself, as he promptly threatens Zephyr, both physically and verbally. His magic is considerably stronger, as he almost incinerates Diane, but she ducks. He would have killed Zephyr had it not been for Quvas’ interference. Quvas quickly realizes that this was not Savrin. The spirit possessing him calls itself “Yuumei.” “This is my body now,” he claims. Abbie once again leaped into action, putting Savrin/Yuumei in a sleeper hold, taking him out for the moment. A blue mist emanates from Savrin and he apparently returns to normal.

In another location, a blind wanderer asks for directions. But when two ruffians attack him, he handily takes them out. One of them gets up and tries to attack him again, but the wanderer casts a spell that shows him two possible futures and warns him to choose his actions wisely.

===Inner Demons – Part 2===
Savrin awakes with no recollection of his transformation. Abbie had suffered some injuries during the fight, and was recovering as well. Being a furmential, Savrin is good to go while Abbie is still unconscious. The others do not mention what had happened earlier that day when Savrin joins them for dinner. Afterwards, when Zephyr and Savrin meditate, Savrin notices something odd occur. Zephyr reveals that he had performed a firewolf bonding ritual, one that linked their magical energies together. The resulting conversation awakens a disgruntled Abbie. Quvas recommends another day of rest, which everyone takes gladly.

The next morning, everyone awakens feeling refreshed. Quvas stays behind to watch over the sleeping populace while Diane, Abbie, Savrin, and Zephyr venture forth in search of a cure. While Diane and Zephyr argue again, Savrin wonders why he and Abbie had been injured. Something spooks the hoofra (their term for an equine animal), who throws Abbie onto the floor and sends the cart crashing into a ditch. A group of Tai’far assassins approach and Yuumei possesses Savrin once again. He reduces three of them to ashes and the last one runs away. But before Yuumei can turn on Zephyr, Savrin regains control of his body. The hoofra returns to Quvas, who starts fearing for Diane’s safety.

In another section of the forest, the leader of the Red Claw, Uito, curses Zephyr and promises revenge. Inavara appears, fire blasts the leader, and hurries off, muttering about how he had to “amuse myself with lesser beings.” A canine stranger remarks on Inavara’s talents as he walks by; Inavara demands to know who the stranger is.

===Inner Demons – Part 3===
After noticing the remains of the cart strewn all over the side of the road, Savrin gives up hope of finding a cure for the sleepers until Zephyr yells some sense into him. Savrin, Abbie, Diane, and Zephyr make a pact to stay together no matter what. Continuing on their trek, Diane refuses to walk past a pole with a strange carving on it and gets into an argument with Abbie over it. Yuumei for the third time possesses Savrin and tells everyone to be quiet. It seems that the carving on the pole causes anger in people and devours them and their emotions. Yuumei reveals that he had been lying dormant within Savrin since he was born. While Yuumei and the carving converse in the language of the spirits, Abbie, Diane, and Zephyr begin arguing again, only feeding the carving. Yuumei attempts to burn the carving, but to no avail. The statue retaliates with an energy blast to Yuumei’s back. Zephyr attempts to burn the statue with equally ineffective results. Yuumei gets up and tries again, succeeding this time. He promptly falls unconscious and Kira brings Savrin into the spirit realm. In the land of the conscious, Zephyr tells Abbie and Diane of Kira’s existence. Naturally, they think he is insane. When Savrin awakes, Zephyr throttles him when he denies the presence of Kira in his sword. Abbie truly believes that Zephyr had gone crazy and slaps him silly.

At sunset, the group reaches the resting house of a Dr. Simeon. Zephyr rests comfortably while Abbie disregards all of Savrin’s questions about what happened with the carving. Savrin has yet another odd dream, dragged into the spirit realm by Yuumei. Savrin looks into a mirror and is shocked to see Yuumei leap out of the mirror in Savrin’s form. Savrin awakes screaming. He manages to reassure himself that it was only a dream… until he heard Yuumei’s voice. Shortly afterward every other character without exception became possessed by a similar inner demon. The reason was never fully discovered, but the most widely accepted theory is that everyone was just that much of an attention whore.

===Against the Sides===
Professor Fetch has just finished teaching a class in the present. Tyler tries to get his attention (as part of Fu’s mission), but he just misses Fetch; Tyler dejectedly leaves the college. Jaster appears and drags him off to a meeting with Cavecor. Along the way, Tyler bumps into Palen. Cavecor asks Tyler about the “New Twilight Magic Team.” When Tyler comes up with nothing, Cavecor nearly kills him for neglecting his duties. But the Shadow Dark takes control of him and he gives orders to both Tyler and Jaster.

Cavecor flashes back to three decades ago, when he was just a fledgling member of the Twilight Magic Team. Frustrated by his inability to control his element, Cavecor angrily leaves the training center. He enters a tent in the local carnival and the mysterious blind wanderer from the end of the “Inner Demons – Part One” arc is sitting at the table. He warns Cavecor to refuse the ancient power that will allow him to vanquish the Twilight Magic Team, but Cavecor cockily refuses the advice. The Shadow Dark (in his faffur form – a black horse) approaches the Time Guardian and demands that he tells him the future. The Guardian refuses and the Shadow Dark attacks. It is unknown as to how this battle turned out.

Back in the presence, Cavecor realizes the folly of his deeds, but it is too late to change it. Jaster calls up a shadowy assassin and tells him to eliminate Fu, as per the Shadow Dark’s orders. The assassin’s enigmatic thoughts (“It’ll be like a family reunion”) suggests that the assassin is somehow related to Fu.

Katina enters Taxwin’s apartment, only to find him moodily sulking, pondering revenge for his dear Lilly. Katina proposes that Taxwin return to Vandabar and Taxwin finally agrees. While they walk through a park, a trio of punks accosts the two. While Taxwin momentarily holds off the three, Katina uses her water powers, but all it does is further enrage them. Vandabar senses Katina using her magic and sets off to assist her. Out of nowhere, Palen appears and kills the three. Taxwin recognizes Palen as the one who killed Lilly. Palen quickly takes him out, but she runs off upon Vandabar’s arrival. After they leave, one of the punks - a female bat - is actually alive. Palen sneaks into Taxwin’s room and stabs a picture of him, an act of symbolism.

==Cast==

===Main Characters===
;Savrin Furfire
:A human/firewolf furmential hybrid, Savrin is wary of revealing his furmential heritage. As his father was a human, he has no fur on his body and is without a tail.

;Diane Mai'lar
:A young feline faffur, Diane wishes only to become like her father, an accomplished thief. She has had various problems doing so, due to her limited skills.

;Abbalion "Abbie" Mai'lar
:Diane's adoptive older brother, he is much more skilled than Diane. However, the coyote faffur tends to act incompetent and stupid in order to boost his sister's self-esteem and confidence.

;Zephyr
:A cocky firewolf furmential, Zephyr looks down upon "normal" faffurs. Despite this attitude, he seems to have an infatuation with Diane.

;Kira
:She is the spirit that lives in Savrin's sword. While she has no form, she takes a canine faffur form out of respect for her companions.

;Vai'ray Stareye
:While she does share Zephyr's haughty attitude towards non-furmentials, this windhawk furmential healer has a soft spot for Diane.

;Inavara
:Zephyr's brother and a skilled swordsman, Inavara's quest is to end his brother's life, though he has yet to succeed.

;Yuumei
:A spirit much like Kira, Yuumei is far more malicious than the friendly Kira. Like all spirits, he is formless, but he prefers to copy his "host" Savrin's form. He possesses Savrin from time to time.

===Other Characters===

;Professor Fetch
:Leader of the archaeological dig at the beginning of the comic, he also teaches at the nearby college.

;Quvas Litefoot
:Guardian of the sacred Time-water temple and member of the Wildtra High Guard, Quvas discovered Savrin, Diane, and Abbie soon after their arrival in the past.

;Jaster Maivin
:Cavecor’s second-in-command, Jaster carries out all of his orders..

;Tyler Winchester
:A human rogue working for Jaster, he also appears to be taking orders from a male feline.

;Vandabar Micker
:A member of the Twilight Magic team and the lone survivor after Cavecor’s betrayal, he found Savrin as a baby and raised him as his own son.

;Cavecor Javrafar
:A wanderer prior to joining the Twilight Magic Team, Cavecor had not finished his training before confronting the Shadow Dark, as a result it took control of him.

;Taxwin Pacara
:A former member of Vandabar's New Twilight Magic Team, he left shortly after his love Lilly died. He did not finish his training; as such his power over the earth element is limited.

;Katina Shavara
:The only current member of the New Twilight Magic Team, Katina spends much of her time caring for the heartbroken Taxwin. She commands the element of water.

;Maxwell Freeman
:More infamously known as the Fur Hunter, Maxwell hunts furs so he can take their tails and sell them for high profits.

;Yuira
:The ruthless Queen of the Tai’far, Yuira killed her own mother in order to ascend to her current position.

;Palen Blackfurr
:The mute kangaroo who Cavecor had mind controlled, she becomes a killing machine at his command. It was Palen who had killed Lilly on the scouting mission.

;Fu
:A male fur with [[snow leopard]] markings, Fu is apparently Tyler’s second boss.

;Hollyann
:A traveling vixen, musician, and healer, she comes to Quvas and Savrin’s aid at the Inn of the Yellow Rose

;Gera
:An earthbear furmential, Gera is Zephyr’s godfather.

;Tara Mioow
:The daughter of the Wildtra chief, Tara is also Quvas’ “niece.” She was the only one who did not fall victim to the sleeping powder during the Tai’far raid.

;Sable Flame
:A wandering musteline faffur with an odd fascination with a certain firewolf feather.

;Shadow Dark
:An evil entity that took control of Cavecor years ago.

;Time Guardian
:A mysterious blind purple faffur, the Time Guardian (as the Shadow Dark referred to him) apparently has some power over time, as he is able to show people their futures. However, he acknowledges that what he knows is not set in stone.

==External links==
* [http://www.furfire.org/ Furfire]

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Black Mane

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'''Black Mane''' is a member of [[Lilymud]] and [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]]. She has hopes of becoming a famous guitar player, and is a fan of Harry Potter, Zorro, Lord of the Rings, and animation in general.

[[Category:People]]

Lilymud

2006-02-03T12:49:00Z

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'''Lilymud''' ('''The Lion King Fan Art Message Board''') is an online message board run by fans of Disney's animated film, ''[[The Lion King]]'', and members of [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]].

*'''Address''': http://www.lilymud.net
*'''Founder''': ?
*'''Ran from/to''': 2001 - present

== General information==
The board has a diverse range of forums, covering all things ''Lion King''. This includes general discussions, art and fan-works, [[role play]], projects, entertainment descussions and even an [[oekaki]] board. As of 19 August 2005, Lilymud had over 2,000 registered members and more than 25,000 posted threads.

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LilyMUD

2006-02-03T12:49:00Z

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#redirect [[Lilymud]]

WikiFur talk:Comic of the Week/1

2005-12-20T00:22:29Z

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The '''Comic of the Week''' is a way to feature the large number of high-quality [[:Category:Comics|comics]] that are popular amoung members of the [[furry fandom]] - and perhaps a few that aren't yet as popular as they deserve to be, too. '''You''' can take part by [[#Nominate a comic|nominating a comic]] for featuring.
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>
== Past comics ==

''These comics have already been featured - please do not nominate them again!''

=== 2005 ===

==== December 2005 ====

* [[WikiFur:Comic of the Week/Week 51, 2005|Week 51]]: ''[[Ozy and Millie]]''

== Nominate a comic ==

Please nominate up to three comics below (preface with *). Comics must have an existing article - if you want to feature a comic without an article, write the article first, then nominate it. Note that both general audience and [[:Category:Mature comics|mature]] nominations are welcome.

Others may support a nomination with indented comments (preface with :, and sign your name with --{{UT|GreenReaper}}). Support is not the only (or even primary factor) for featuring - the justification given for featuring in the nomination will weigh heavily, as will availablility of a high quality panel or title image representing the comic in the article, and of course the article itself.

=== Nominations ===

* [[The Class Menagerie]] --[[User:SargeAbernathy|SargeAbernathy]] 09:19, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Better Days]] - [[Jay Naylor]]
* [[Sabrina Online]] - [[Eric W. Schwartz]]
* [[Jack]] - [[David Hopkins]]
* [[Faux Pas]] by [[Robert Carspecken|Robert]] and [[Margaret Carspecken]] (Delightful humor, true life situations compounded by absurdities, superb drawing style, and long-established run with archives available online) --[[User:Altivo|Altivo]] 12:33, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
: Second the motion! --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 13:09, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
:Thirded..! --[[User:MKerris|MKerris]] 16:07, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
:Fourthed --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:39, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
: Fifthed--[[User:genebreshears|Gene Breshears]]
* [[DMFA]] by [[Amber Panyko]]. --[[User:MKerris|MKerris]] 12:45, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Newshounds]] by [[Thomas K. Dye]] --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 15:45, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Kevin and Kell]] by [[Bill Hollbrook]] --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 15:45, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Purple Pussy]] by [[Wikipedia:Shmorky|Shmorky]]
* [[West_Corner_Of_the_Park_(comic)|West Corner of the Park]] by [[Jim Groat]] (Closely tied to [[FurryMUCK]], features cameos by many well-known characters, jokes related to personalities and furry RP behaviors) --[[User:Altivo|Altivo]] 15:51, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Carpe Diem]] by [[Graveyard Greg]] and others (Sensitive and believable treatments of GLTB issues without becoming adult-rated, all furry cast with real life personalities, available both in print and online, long-established run) --[[User:Altivo|Altivo]] 16:02, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Freefall]] by [[Mark Stanley]]. --[[User:Kiranlightpaw|Kiranlightpaw]] 17:33, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
:It features an interesting storyline and some quite believable characters, among other things. A pretty good comic, imo. :) --[[User:MKerris|MKerris]] 18:19, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Las Lindas]] by [[Chalo]], [[SoulKat]], and [[ID_Fox]] --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:39, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* [[Tales of the Questor]] by [[Ralph Hayes, Jr.]] --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 17:39, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
* Dear Me (http://www.sharpclaw.com/cgi-bin/deerme.cgi) --[[genebreshears|Gene Breshears]]
* [[Y?]] by [[Gordon McVey]] --{{User:Skunk/sig}}
* [[Furfire]] by Angela Beaman --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 00:22, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

* ''Add your nomination above here. --{{UT|GreenReaper}}''
:''I like this comic! It be drawed good! --[[User:SomeoneElse|SomeoneElse]]''

[[Category:WikiFur featured content]][[Category:Comics|*]]

Template:WikiFur Central/Wanted

2005-08-24T13:32:49Z

Composingliger: Kangaroo, Oekaki and Bear out; Phoenix, Unicorn and WikiFur:NPOV dispute in.

<div style="text-align: left; background: #FFFFD8; border: 1px solid #FFE8B9; padding: 2px 0px 4px 5px;">'''[[Special:Wantedpages|Wanted]]''': [[Fae]] - [[Raccoon]] - [[Talzhemir]] - [[Unicorn]] - [[Watts Martin]] - [[Digger]] - [[Feline]] - [[WikiFur:NPOV dispute]] - [[Phoenix]]</div>

Kangaroo

2005-08-24T13:26:40Z

Composingliger: Kangeroo's in general

The '''Kangaroo''' is the largest surviving marsupial in the world. They are Macropods like their smaller cousins the '''[[Wallaby]]''' and the forest dwelling '''[[Pademellon]]'''. Predominantly known as a native species to [[Australia]], some species of Kangaroos are also found in [[New Guinea]].

Being a marsupial they have a pouch which is used to hold their young from an early birth (approx. 4-6 weeks) through most of their young development. They also feature a large muscular tail, used for balance and a set of very powerful hind legs which can propel them at speeds of up to 70km/h over short distances.

Male Kangaroos are called ''bucks'', ''boomers'' or ''jacks''. Females are called ''does'', ''flyers'', or ''jills'' and their young are called ''joeys''.

User talk:Composingliger

2005-08-20T18:07:51Z

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User talk:Composingliger

2005-08-20T18:06:59Z

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User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-20T18:06:38Z

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I can't say anything about if I'll be adding things regularly, but I will when I have time/ideas. As for nationstates, its neat to encounter another head of state no? I run The Union of Tinis which is part of the Furry Federation.

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Hi. Thanks for the welcome. ^^; This seems to be a confusing topic in my mind as far as sorting, but what would "StarFox" groups like RPG's belong to? Certainly the one I know about so far does not use a MU*, but rather IRC and has it's own Wiki even. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 09:48, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hmm. Not sure myself. Maybe you should make a new category for roleplaying groups, and then categorize that category page to <nowiki>[[Category:Community]]</nowiki>. You make new categories just by doing <nowiki>[[Category:Whatever]]</nowiki> and then clicking on the link to edit it like any other page. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:03, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for the welcome! I've really enjoyed participating in WikiFur thus far, and I'm glad my contributions have been useful. I hope to continue to be an active participant in this community effort, and I think it's really going to be a success. ^_^ --[[User:Flynn|Flynn]] 03:34, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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No problem! Great, great project. I'll be contributing more as time allows and directing others to it as well. The pro-vanity page policy is an excellent idea. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

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Thanks for the welcome too. I've been having fun with this. I even have my own wiki for my comic Buddies in Big Places, so it was pretty easy to get started here. --[[User:Sethtriggs|Sethtriggs]] 04:25, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Redirect ==

How does one create a redirect? Ie, to redirect "Camp Feral" to Feral? --{{UT|Tafyrn}}

:Just type <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Feral]]</nowiki> on [[Camp Feral]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:49, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

GreenReaper: thanks for your efforts in cleaning up newly created entries. I've learned a great deal from comparing my original entries to the improved versions! --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:No problem! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:43, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Is there already a 'beginner's guide' page available? If not I'd be happy to start work on it. Berhaps it could be linked to from the main page? --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There's the [[Help:Contents|help]] page, which is linked to on the side and on WikiFur Central. It also links to the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents guide on Meta]. If you think you can improve the help page, go right ahead! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:48, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Have you considered instating a 'ranking' system to indicate users who have contributed a great deal? I'm not trolling for rewards, myself, but as a New Mediast I'm rather interested in how you'd prefer to navigate between the offering of a reward for contribution and preventing people from performing useless edits and contributions to gain a higher ranking. Ranking systems are fairly common in forums and seem to manage themselves, there. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:::There are ways to measure people's contributions, if so desired. You can look at a user's contributions page, which is a link in the toolbox to the left when a user's page or talk page is selected. You can also see what other people have said on a person's user talk pages, or look at the [http://www.wikicities.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaFURRY.htm#wikipedians user section] of the [[Project:About#Statistics|statistics]] to get a rough idea of where they stand contribution-wise.

:::In the end, though, for the people we really want to attract, contribution is its own reward. That's not to say people can't be ''proud'' of their contributions, of course, but obsessing over it is probably unhealthy. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== NPOV / Vanity Pages ==

You know, if you're aiming for NPOV, you might want to consider instituting a rule about, uh, not making articles about yourself. They tend to be one-sided at best, and blatant advertisments at worst. And the authors tend to react rather badly to other people editing 'their' writeup.

But then again, [http://www.everything2.com/ E2] is not NPOV and is also quite awesome. --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 19:02, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:We're not, exactly. I accept that most articles about users are going to be positive. I encourage that, actually, as it's the negative ones that seem to cause trouble. See [http://www.livejournal.com/community/wikifur/2177.html?thread=6017 this discussion] for more on my views about vanity pages, and less important pages in general. Basically, what's appropriate for Wikipedia may not be appropriate for us. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:12, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh don't worry, it was just a joke. I wouldn't actually go along with something like that, since I'd be banned pretty quickly, I'm sure. :>

== Blue Forest enties ==

Hi! I just wanted to thank you for putting work into helping out with entries related to Blue Forest. I was plesantly surprised to see these here! I'm in the process of adding and expanding on some of them, now, and I certainly welcome any tweaking that you think needs to be done. -[[User:K.M. Hirosaki|K.M. Hirosaki]] 04:47, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You're welcome! You obviously have a few loyal fans who cared enough to start them. I'll be watching, but your pages seem pretty good so far. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:55, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Is it possible to have both me redirect page "Alex Vance" and my full entry "Osfer" listd under People and Writers, or is this bad form? Considering how many furs alternately use their full name or their handle on-line, I suspect such a construction may be of use to more people.

Also, have you considered disallowing anonymous edits? The extra effort of registering might be a slight deterrent to casual vandals. --[[User:Osfer|Osfer]]

:It can be done, but wither it is or not depends on how much longer the trolls persist in causing trouble and grief in their malicious edits. --[[User:Markus|Markus]] 13:16, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== kekeke goon rush ==

At this point I would just suggest forbidding anon edits and new account creation for a few hours (if you can do that) --[[User:Xax|Xax]] 18:14, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==OMG whut admin?==
No, I certainly don't mind keeping an eye on the RC for vandalism for the time being. The whole "goon rush" issue is what helped me find out about this wiki :) [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 19:21, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Article naming convention proposal ==

When I saw [[Serval]] come up as an article, I knew we were going to have an issue. As I'm sure you're aware, some of the older fur fans have gone by animal names as fan names. I propose that we have a <nowiki>[[Category:Species]]</nowiki> with names of things that are animals, as opposed to characters, appended with Serval (species) or Panther (species) or Fox (species), sort of like how WP is has (film) and such.
What do you think? [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 05:14, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It's a good idea. Go for it! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 05:31, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== About "admin" status. ==

I feel kind of weird for now noticing this, and even weirder for bringing it up, but I'll throw this out there anyway:

WikiFur:Administrators lists me as an admin, and you've also done it on the community LiveJournal which proves that it wasn't just a misclick or anything like that, but after looking up what I'd be able to do with this status, I notice that... well, none of it's there. :) I confirmed this by looking at the literal special page and notice that, while Osfer's name is on there, mine isn't.

Not harping on you to get '''right on this''' so I can go willy nilly on this here Internet Wikipedia machine, because that would be stupid, but can you double-check to see if you did add me to the actual admin database? Thanks. -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:17, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: *scratches head* - I certainly ''thought'' I put you in there . . . I was on wireless, though, so maybe it didn't take . I was in a bit of a rush adding new admins at the time, so I didn't check. Sorry! Should work now. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:21, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: And there it is in the log. Thank you for trusting me enough to give me this ability. :) -- [[User:Verix|Verix]] 06:22, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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Abuh? Well, that was unexpected! Thanks - I'll try to help out as best I can. --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 17:18, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:You came recommended - besides, you already ''have'' been helping, this just lets you help more. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:28, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==More stylistic suggestions==

Lord forbid, got another bother:
We're getting so many dang micro articles, I think a stub-expansion template for the front might be a good idea.
I've modified one of the tables to be like that in my Userpage, if you'd like to see what it looks like. I'm just excessivly reluctant to make a template without authorization, and even less wanting to add new things to the front page :) -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:04, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:This isn't Wikipedia - you won't get flamed for making a template you think will be useful, or for editing the main page. Be bold! :-)

:The only suggestion I would make is removing the last entry and the - before it as that pushes it over one line for 1024x786 maximised (I've been trying to keep all the main templates that size). Other than that, it looks good to go. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I shall go forth fluffily, then! -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 03:12, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Languages ==
I had just one question re this wiki: Are there any guidelines for creating furry articles not in English? Say, [[Chakat/ia]] or [[Chakat/ru]] or whatnot? I'm a member of Furrys Pro Interlingua, as well as a general-purpose language geekskunk, and I'm just curious. [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 13:18, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:The "best" way to do it would be to use something like ru.furry.wikicities.com, edit pages on there, and then use translation tags to link to them, as in Wikipedia. We do not have versions of WikiFur in other langauges at this time. If this is something you'd like to help coordinate (it will need at least one person to maintain each language), let me know what languages you'd like it set up for and I can get things set up with the Wikicities staff.

:If you're not up to doing this at this time, as a ''temporary'' measure, what you suggest might work but only if you add a category to each plage, like <nowiki>[[Category:Spanish articles]]</nowiki>, and maybe put a template in the main page to indicate that there is a translation for it (you could do one template that would work for the whole page. That way we can find them to move them later on! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:38, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Special bar==
Also, I've created a special bar for the front page [[Template:WikiFur Central/Special|here]]. Go ahead and add it if you think it's a good idea ^^; [[User:Almafeta|Almafeta]] 08:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Seems a perfectly reasonable use of space. Added! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 13:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Furry MUCK Logo ==

Thanks for the welcome. :) I moved the logo at [[User:Markus|Markus]]'s request since he was having trouble with the TOC not liking where it was. It was either a case of the logo staying where it was but being made an image, or moving it to where the <pre>'ed text wouldn't damage the layout. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 14:14, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Aha! I have a third option - move the TOC to the section below. You can use <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> to specify TOC positioning (or <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki> to remove it entirely, but we need it here :-). Will see if I can figure out a good way to do that. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Mmm.. true the TOC can be moved but if the logo is really wanted at the top and understandibly it is the convention to have it there, pahapse taking a screencap of the wording and having a nice logo image would be better? I'll provide the image if you wish though of course, I can't edit the article currently. While I'm here, would it be ok for me to mention a few things we are missing? Um.. for one.. a deletion policy! o.O I've seen a few articles that seem to have little to do with anything furry ([[Zline]] for example). We could also do with setting up our own Manual of Style for how a biography page, a species page or term page should be laid out for example. I have er.. a -little- exprience with MediaWiki you could say. ;) I spent a good few weeks teaching myself the system and actually have a wiki of my own I'm just.. lacking the community to get it going currently. x.x Despite e-mail pokes to the people who have signed up to it. [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/Main_Page EpicWiki] which is a fictional writing wiki, as you can see I spent ages making it look good and now.. no support. :/ And my first wiki [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/ here] which was my test and learning how to use it. It was going to be for a friend's project but that's on hiatus now. What I'm ''proud'' of though on that wiki is the extensive [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Contents help system] I was planning after hating the mine field that is MetaWiki's. You can see from the pages I did write that I might know.. a -little- wiki syntax. ;) [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Allowed_HTML] [http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Help:Exploring_an_article] *squeeks* Oh seems you've already fixed it so.. never mind. o.O Hope you take some of my thoughts onboard though. o.o -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Policies ==

I agree we need to set up some policies - deletion, featuring and the like. Right now we are trying to be as inclusive as possible becuase there's really no harm in having articles that are only mildly related to furry topics, but it's something we'll probably have to look at going forward. For now, don't be too worried if you see something that doesn't seem to fit with the wiki's purpose - we can always do a cleanup later. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 15:54, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Might I suggest creating a 'dubious' template then to help us flag articles that need writers to find more proof of their 'furryness' and at a later date, give us a handyway of tracking down things to go on deletion lists. ;> The closest wikipedia tag I'd say would be [[Wikipedia:Template:Unencyclopedic]], to us of course, anything not furry related is Unencyclopedic.

:::That is a big "of course". I would be wary about limiting the scope of the wiki in that respect. Topics that are only tangentially furry may still be of interest to WikiFur readers and it might well be that there is stuff that can be said about the topic that relates to the furry fandom, and which would not be accepted in the "right" place. Obviously there are cases where links should be converted into links to Wikipedia and the like, but that is not always the case.

::Likewise, we could do with getting [[Wikipedia:Template:Advert]] for pages which are clearly adverts for furry sites and need turning in to articles. Infact.. I was about to list a few more but realised we could do with importing quite a few of the templates. Would you mind if I did so and made changes where needed? I'll also make some wikifur: namespace pages if needed with info and so on about them and how to use. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:04, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Go ahead - be bold! But also, be somewhat wary that you do not bite newcommers by telling them that their contributions are not wanted. If you can see a way to expand the from (say) a stub about an unrelated technology to an article about how the technology is used in the furry community, with links to articles in more depth over on (say) Wikipedia, then that would be more appropriate.

:::Note that you can theoretically use wikicities templates with this method: <nowiki>{{Wikicities:Advert}}</nowiki>. However, if you have time I would import the template as there have been problems with this - most notably it is case-sensitive!

:::I disagree with the use of the Unencyclpediaic template because I think it imposes strong an opinion on something that ''is'' a matter of opinion - there's been [[Wikipedia:Template_talk:Unencyclopedic|a lot of discussion]] about it. The Advert one sounds fine, because it is a more obvious statement about the quality of an article. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:22, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Very well, I'll get going and take on what you've said. :) More fun than staring at Recent Changes. o.O I'll send some links your way when I've made a few up. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 16:34, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Stylebook ==

No problem. Is there a stylebook I need to refer to? I see that there have been style changes to the page and I'd rather save somefur else the work if I can...--[[User:Fferret|Fferret]] 19:23, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:To be honest, there isn't one right now - WikiFur only really took off last saturday, and it's been such a rush that we've been figuring them out as we go along. The best guide right now is to extrapolate from existing pages and from Wikipedia. If you do things so that they look the same as similar pages, at least it's consistent. Of course, if you think you have a better way of doing it, you could change them all. Be bold! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Person pages vs. Personal pages ==

Since this is going unanswered in the Category talk:People section, I'm going to take this here. :>

I'd like to take initiative to start removing information that's too personal-- such as the likes and dislikes of a person, who they're friends with-- in order to make the people pages sound more informational and less like the person is advertising themselves to other possible friends or love interests. Not saying that these are bad, but inapropriate for something like this wiki, which is supposed to be an online encyclopedia.

Thoughts? --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 19:35, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Answered on [[Category talk:People]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:46, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Linking to a term in Wikipedia, but not in Wikifur ==

May I ask how one would make a link reference to a term that, while not defined in Wikifur, and not directly furry related, is defined in Wikipedia? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Certainly. You can refer to Wikipedia like this: <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Article name|text to display]]</nowiki>. This is often preferable to creating an actual page about it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 20:42, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== How do I add an article to a category? ==

Hi I wish to add an article to a category but the edit feature only allows me to edit the top portion of the page. I tried * [[name of category]] and that places link in wrong place. I tried <nowiki>[[category:whatever]]</nowiki> and that puts link at bottom of page and not as article. Please I looked all over the help section and found nothing usefull for this problem. --[[User:Lupinelonewolf|Lupinelonewolf]]

: (answered) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:09, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== OK I tried that but it puts link in incorrect place ==

I understand what you are saying but I am having difficulty trying to place that link into the section labled "articles" in this Category, rather the link is being placed above in a non related portion of the page

I am trying to place a linkie to Anthrofest which is a con in Canada next yr in August and is not listed yet under conventions. Furry Wiki has good exposure and the hope is that people take notice of the unfamiliar name to many and attend. Every time though that I try to post it it puts the link in the wrong place. I want to put the link Under A and right after Anthrocon in the A category on the conventions page.

So I went to the edit section of that page and I guess that portion of the page is protected or something because I cannot get my link to go where I want it. As for the whole "whatever issue I was following advice I found in greenreapers usertalk and somehow a "furfright" ended up in the F like it should have and thus I was trying to repeat that. I think now I realize that what happened was someone saw what I was doing and I did it incorrectly and so they obliged me and did it themself. I appologize for that but still am confused as to add to that "article" portion of the "conventions" page.

:Ahh, I see. The thing you have to understand is that you do not edit the category page to put an article into the category - you edit the page that you want to put ''into'' the category. In this case, you would edit the [[Anthrofest]] article . . . but that article doesn't exist, so you should click that red link to create it. Try just putting a few words and then <nowiki>[[Category:Conventions]]</nowiki> at the end. You should see a link to Category:Conventions appear at the bottom, and when you save that page, it will appear in [[:Category:Conventions]], as you intended. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:58, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Keep, Merge, Delete==
Hah!
Man, you make funny even funnier. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 00:13, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Hi!==
Thanks for the warm welcome GreenReaper. While I only have had a little bit of experience with Wikis in general, I hope that I'll be able to contribute where I can. ^^
Ta! --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 05:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm sure you'll learn quickly! Thanks for getting permission for that picture of Mab. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 05:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Hmmm... I just noticed that the templates on the front page have been locked now... Hmmm It's a bit of a catch 22 with Wikis isn't it. On one hand you WANT people to be able to maintain, update and improve on things... On the other, there's always people who just like to ruin and vandalise things. I guess it's probbaly the right thing to do, especially being the main page... But a shame that it has to be done. =/ --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:06, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::They were locked temporarily due to someone vandalising them. They should be unlocked now (unless it's happened again). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::And yes, that's OK. Amber said that it's fine to use her art for any of the related articles. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 07:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== New article ==

Pardon me if this is a really dumb question, but how does one get to the initial edit screen to create a new article if there is no existing "Article to add" link to start from?

:Not a dumb question at all - it's not hugely obvious. One way is to create such a link by putting <nowiki>[[Something]]</nowiki> into an existing article - such a related article. This is usually a good idea because it encourages pages to be linked to related pages. However, if there isn't any page for which this is appropriate, you should either put this link in the [[Sandbox]] and delete it later, or type the URL in manually. If you look at the URL for this page, you should see that it includes the name of the page - you can change the URL to any name and it will go to that page, even if it doesn't exist yet. You can then click edit and start typing! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:17, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== On pre-emptive protection: ==

It wasn't pre-emptive. Yesterday there was perpetual vandalism going on on the front page from YTMND.com, spamming "GNAA™" and editing various other parts of the template where they'd just add something stupid. Just wanted to clarify that. :) --[[User:Verix|Verix]] 14:20, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:OK. :-) Just make sure you unprotect them when they go away again! *grin* --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 14:30, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Regarding pre-emptively protecting things, I'd like to propose that we really ''should'' be protecting certain "high-visibility" pages, such as the main page and the templates for menus and such. If any one of those gets vandalized, it could affect the entire site instead of a single page. Also, I'm not sure that we want random users modifying them without checking with us in the first place, even if their intentions ''are'' good. Thoughts? --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 19:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Subpages for Project/Wikifur Namespace ==

Heya, I'm close to finishing my work with the templates. :) However, I wanted to make the one page I have now ([[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]]) become an introduction page (similar to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Template_messages|this one]] on Wikipedia) and have multiple pages for different template types as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages|Subpages]]. However, it seems this feature isn't set to allow them in the Project(Wikifur) namespace. Would it be possible for you to turn them on? I don't know how it works with Wikicities but on standalone wiki's, its a setting in LocalSettings.php. Many thanks. :) -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 14:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what the problem is - I was able to make [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text/Test]] just fine (deleted it now). Am I misunderstanding what you were trying to do? If so, please tell me exactly what pages you were trying to make/edit and what error message you got. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:26, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::According to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Subpages]], making a link of <nowiki>[[/All Templates]]</nowiki> on the page you wish to have as the parent should save to be 'parent/All Templates'. However, its actually just gone and made [[:/All_Templates]]. If it was a true subpage, it should have a little breadcrumb link auto inserted, like on this page of my wiki here: http://nidonocu.technoweyr.co.uk/ewiki/index.php/User:Nidonocu/Management_Links
::-[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 18:40, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Ahh, right, so it's [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Link#Subpage_feature this] - OK, I'll ask. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 18:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:05, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Should be done. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 19:16, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::Yeap! All good! Many thanks! :D --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 19:18, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)\
== Categoreis and subcategories ==

Thank you for the friendly welcome message. The help system seems fairly complete. I find it much more useful to click the "edit" section of more complete entries and just look at the code to figure things out, but I know that doesn't work for some people. I do have a question that may be in there somewhere and I missed it. How are categories and subcategories created? It seems to me that one of the sub-categories within People ought to be "publishers." Otherwise, this seems fun and to be growing nicely. -- Gene

:Categories are created like any page, by making links to them or going to their pages. However, to get the links in the right place, you place the special tag <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName]]</nowiki> into the article that you want to be in the new category (or <nowiki>[[Category:YourCategoryName|Optional String To Sort By]]</nowiki> if you don't want it sorted in the list by the article name). This will create a link at the bottom. If it's red, then you can create the category page by clicking it, editing and saving the resulting page - your article page will then be present on there. If the link is blue, then it already existed, and your article page will be added to it. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Boiler Plate Text ==

It is sooo finished @_@
:'''[[WikiFur:Boiler_Plate_Text]]'''
Please link this where ever possible. I've improved quite a few of the templates too in the process. Made up all their connected category pages and so forth. Only thing that needs doing is the voting pages for [[Template:Ifd]] and [[Template:SpeedyDelete]]. I'll do those in a bit, using Wikipedia as a base to work from.

I have no life, seriously. ;)
:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:57, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Troll ==

Troll running though right now: [[User:66.140.87.119|66.140.87.119]]

: Thank you, masked stranger! --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:15, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: It's me again (Loiosh). I watch the recent changes page.

:::: Heh. 45 or so pages defaced over 14 minutes, all repaired in a span on 3 minutes. That's some damn nice work, folks! --[[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan da Husky]] 22:35, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::: If only I'd remembered to set &bot=1, then it wouldn't have flooded Recent Changes! :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 22:41, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Footnote Links ==

How would one create footnote links to lines in a given poem, if this is possible? --{{UT|Seamora}}

:Do you meen footnotes within the poem? If so, you might want to try using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ref ref and note templates], which I have just copied to WikiFur.

==Featured Articles==

Well, we don't have to have a new one every day, but I personally recommend the [[Caitians]] one for "next up". It actually had so many images, I had to leave one of mine out. Plus, M'ress is a notable early furry character. -- [[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]] 23:51, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Could do with some links to [[MemoryAlpha:|Memory Alpha]] for the added material, especially since it's a Wikia project too. If it was spaced out a bit more somehow, you could fit more pictures in. Perhaps an external links section?

:As for the Featured Articles, we '''do''' have to have one every day, because otherwise the script will go on and there'll just be an ugly red link. Admittedly you coulc copy the last one, but that would be cheating. ;-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 00:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Delete Craziness ==

I'm worried administrators are going a bit crazy with the delete button. I'm seeing alot of Deleted articles on Recent Changes and I think the wiki could do with inforcing the Wikipedia style of deletion. That everything needs to be listed before it can be removed. You can block a vandal right away fair enough but we could end up with possible subjects of writing being discarded just because a badly written stub was made. [[WikiFur:Speedy_Deletion]] should be finished soon, you can see how far I've got right now. I really think it would be wise to tell admins to list pages at least for an hour there before removing them, just to see if anyone chips in with content. Pahapse with some policies akin to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Deletion_guidelines_for_administrators]] as they generally make good sense. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 01:45, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Umm . . . I'm not quite sure you get the point of speedy deletes. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion|Speedy deletes]] are for bringing articles that deserve to be deleted immediately to the attention of admins. If they already ''have'' their attention and are deleted, then that's perfectly fine.

:If you look at [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page= the delete log], I don't agree with you that people are going crazy. Consider the "content" of the pages that are being deleted - almost all are either plain vandalism, personal attacks, or tests, all of which are valid for speedy deletion - which means deletion on site by admins, whether or not they're listed.

:What you are perhaps thinking of is [[Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion|VfD]], which is is the process for removing articles that (generally speaking) are considered not appropriate for a wiki. And, to be honest, I haven't seen too many of them, mostly because we are far more inclusive than Wikipedia at this time. Some ''have'' been shortened, like [[fur]], because they duplicated Wikipedia information without added value, but other than that . . . --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:37, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Ah.. ok I think I see now. Its very late for me and this wiki has offically cramped by left hand with Ctrl+C/V'ing so I'll be brief. n_x; I did reflect the lack of VfD on the template page so yeah..

::Thanks anyway for dealing with all my questions and comments. Just to say would it be possible if you could at some point soon put up links to [[Wikifur:Boiler Plate Text]] where it might be useful like on Help or Community. I might write up a few 'First Time Here?' or 'First Time Wikiuser?' pages if that would be helpful. Have written my first actual article though, [[NorthernFurs (UK)]]! Woo! ^_^ I will offically stop clicking Recent Changes and close my browser now. ;) Speak to you later. -[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 03:56, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::It went great on the help page. Thanks for taking the time to do these. I just hope we won't have to use them too much. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 04:11, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Signed up for WikiFur! ==

GreenReaper, seeing as you already knew who I was anyway (judging by your comment to my IP number!), is there a way of reassigning those edits to my username? --[[User:Sslaxx|Sslaxx]]

:I'm afraid there is no inbuilt way to transfer edits - however, I have put a note on the [[User:83.104.34.212|user page for 83.104.34.212]], so that anyone who goes there will be able to see that you were the person who made them. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:34, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Search Image ==
Hi again. I've just been wondering about the search image for WikiFur - [[Image:Search_logo.png]]. I think it would be nice if it were possible to drop the Wikicities logo and replace it with something of our own. Is that possible (I've noticed that the image itself was locked) or is this a perminant part of the Wikicities branding and thus unchangeable? --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 17:41, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Hi! It is indeed possible. If you have a suggested alternative, please upload it and link it on the [[WikiFur:Logo ideas|logo ideas page]], and if I and possibly others think it looks good, I'll add it in. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 17:44, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Well I had been considering just a simple resize of '''[[User:MelSkunk|MelSkunk]]''''s logo - [[Image:Wikifurmel-vs-1.png]] - as an intirim solution, or even '''[[User:Seth C Triggs|Seth C Triggs]]''' new one. Personally I just find the Wikicities logo to be a bit ugly (and slightly confusing over the search) and think anything would be an improvement at the moment. ^^ *Yawn* Anyway ~ 4:30am! Really should go to sleep now. --[[User:Composingliger|Composingliger]] 18:06, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Composingliger

2005-08-20T18:05:16Z

Composingliger:

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-20T18:05:01Z

Composingliger: /* Search Image */

User:Composingliger

2005-08-20T17:56:51Z

Composingliger:

Hi, the names '''ComposingLiger'''.

I'm fairly new around here, but have had a bit of experience working with the [[Wikipedia]] and a few other Wiki's.

If you need to contact me [[User Talk:Composingliger|just drop me a line]]!

User talk:Composingliger

2005-08-20T17:56:16Z

Composingliger:

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-20T17:41:01Z

Composingliger:

File:Wikifurmel-vs-1.png

2005-08-20T17:25:18Z

Composingliger: A smaller version of User:MelSkunk's WikiFur Logo. Used under the GFDL. {{GFDL-Image}}

A smaller version of [[User:MelSkunk]]'s WikiFur Logo.
Used under the GFDL.

{{GFDL-Image}}

Template:WikiFur Central/Wanted

2005-08-20T17:03:32Z

Composingliger: "Centaur" article exists. Replaced with "Horse"

<div style="text-align: left; background: #FFFFD8; border: 1px solid #FFE8B9; padding: 2px 0px 4px 5px;">'''[[Special:Wantedpages|Wanted]]''': [[Coriander Danton]] - [[2chan]] - [[Salaster Halstead]] - [[Mark Merlino]] - [[Fae]] - [[Horse]] - [[Talzhemir]] - [[Cedric]]</div>

Lilymud

2005-08-19T10:28:08Z

Composingliger: added to Categories: Websites

'''LilyMUD''' or by its full name, '''The Lion King Fan Art Message Board''', is an online message board run by fans of Disney's animated film, [[The Lion King]], and members of [[The Lion King Fan-Art Archive]].

The board has a diverse range of forums, covering everything [[The Lion King]]. This includes general discussions, art and fan-works, [[role play]], projects, entertainment descussions and even an [[oekaki]] board.

As of the 19/08/05 there is over 2,000 registered members and more than 25,000 posted threads.

== Links ==
[http://www.lilymud.net LilyMUD] - The Lion King Fan-Art Message Board page.

[[Category: Websites]]

Lilymud

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Composingliger: LilyMUD: A Lion King message board

Role play

2005-08-19T09:34:46Z

Composingliger: Small redirect

#REDIRECT [[Role-playing]]

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-19T07:10:44Z

Composingliger: /* Hi! */

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-19T07:06:53Z

Composingliger: /* Hi! */

User talk:GreenReaper

2005-08-19T05:53:38Z

Composingliger:

Miss Mab

2005-08-19T05:39:59Z

Composingliger: Added Mab's profile picture

'''Miss Mab''', or just '''Mab''' as she is usually referred to, is one of the main characters of '''[[Amber Panyko]]''''s Web comic [[DMFA]]. [[Image:Mab.jpg|frame|Miss Mab, © [[Amber Panyko]], 2005]]

Mab is a very bright and friendly character. As a member of the Fae race, not only does she possesses quite potent magic, but sometimes exhibits a rather quirky personality. However, when the need arrises, Mab is often the most level headed of all the characters of DMFA.

== History ==
Mab originated back in 1998 as one of Amber's character on [[Furcadia]]. One particular day Amber offered to make a Web Shrine to a person who found a song she had been searching for. Another player by the name of Dan Ti'Fiona found the song and hence Amber made the shrine. As a small joke, Amber included the text "Coming soon: the Misadventures of Daniel Ti'Fiona, the comic!" to which the player Dan apparently took seriously. Eventually Amber went through with this, creating DMFA or "Dan and Mab's Furcadian Adventures" staring both Mab and Dan.
Mab has always been very closely entwined with DMFA and is probably one of the most recognisable characters from the series.

== See Also ==
* [[Mab's Land]] - Amber's Website
* [http://www.missmab.com DMFA] - The DMFA webcomic

[[Category: Story characters]]

File:Mab.jpg

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Composingliger: fixing of link

File:Mab.jpg

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WikiFur:Sandbox

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Composingliger: Maths on WikiFur?!

{{sandbox}} 

== Travis Valkhar ==

Travis Valkhar, or just Travis as he's commonly known, has been actively involved within the fandom for around two and a half years. He's 16 years of age, and resides within the Savannah area of Georgia. Although he may seem shy at first, after a while, he'll warm up very quickly and be open to conversation. He attends local fur meets in the area, and loves spending time with friends. He's also openly homosexual.

[http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=travisvalkhar Travis's LiveJournal]

== The Irate F.O.X. ==

The Irate F.O.X. is a reclusive creature of the not-so-wilds of Eastern Onario. He's been slowly gaining a prescence in the fandom over the last year and a half but has had numerous other commitments to deal with, such as his obsession with gamming and politics. He's 20 at the moment, bi, and loves to talk and share interesting stories and bits of history, as long as they're accurate. He also bears no relation to Travis.

If you're talking with him be aware, non-sequiters lay ahead.

[http://acadunix.algonquincollege.com/~hunt0188/ The Irate F.O.X.'s homepage]

== Things ==

Stuff.

== Maths ==
I don't know how much use Math functions are in WikiFur ~ But let's have a look anyway: (You can always burn it!)
<math>e=mc^2</math>
<math>\phi</math>- one 'H' of a lot cooler than <math>\pi</math>
<math>\sqrt[\alpha]{\frac{\gamma \delta \Phi}{\alpha y \pi}}</math> ~ Just cause it looked cool

Miss Mab

2005-08-18T08:35:42Z

Composingliger: /* See Also */ Forgot about those line paragraph breaks.

'''Miss Mab''', or just '''Mab''' as she is usually referred to, is one of the main characters of '''Amber M. Panyko''''s Web comic [http://www.missmab.com DMFA].

Mab is a very bright and friendly character. As a member of the Fae race, not only does she possesses quite potent magic, but sometimes exhibits a rather quirky personality. However, when the need arrises, Mab is often the most level headed of all the characters of DMFA.

== History ==
Mab originated back in 1998 as one of Amber's character on [[Furcadia]]. One particular day Amber offered to make a Web Shrine to a person who found a song she had been searching for. Another player by the name of Dan Ti'Fiona found the song and hence Amber made the shrine. As a small joke, Amber included the text "Coming soon: the Misadventures of Daniel Ti'Fiona, the comic!" to which the player Dan apparently took seriously. Eventually Amber went through with this, creating DMFA or "Dan and Mab's Furcadian Adventures" staring both Mab and Dan.
Mab has always been very closely entwined with DMFA and is probably one of the most recognisable characters from the series.

== See Also ==
[[Mab's Land]] - Amber's Website

[http://www.missmab.com DMFA] - The DMFA webcomic

Template:WikiFur Central/Wanted

2005-08-18T08:29:25Z

Composingliger: "Mab" article now exists. Just grabbed the highest linked page off "Wanted" to replace it.

<div style="text-align: left; background: #FFFFD8; padding: 2px 0px 4px 5px;">'''[[Special:Wantedpages|Wanted]]''': [[Duckon]] - [[Mark Merlino]] - [[Talzhemir]] - [[2chan]] - [[Aureth]] - [[Digger]] - [[Ursula Vernon]] - [[Gene Breshears]] - [[Blue Forest Police Department]]</div>

Miss Mab

2005-08-18T08:26:45Z

Composingliger: added see also links

Mab's Land

2005-08-18T07:47:35Z

Composingliger: Just fixing the spelling of "Panyko"

'''Mab's Land''' is a website devoted to the art of '''Amber Panyko''', better known as [[Mab]].

* '''Address''': http://mabsland.com/
* '''Webmistress''': [[Mab]]
* '''Motto''': ''Mab's Land: Where Only the Cute Survive''

Mab's Land contains [[furry]] versions of the parental rating reference images as seen on TV, the [[Censorship Pandas]].
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Mab

2005-08-18T07:41:11Z

Composingliger: Mab moved to Miss Mab

#REDIRECT [[Miss Mab]]

Miss Mab

2005-08-18T07:35:38Z

Composingliger: Just to get this thing started - A brief introduction and history of the Mab character

'''Miss Mab''', or just '''Mab''' as she is usually referred to, is one of the main characters of Amber M. Panyko's Web comic [http://www.missmab.com DMFA].

Mab is a very bright and friendly character. As a member of the Fae race, not only does she possesses quite potent magic, but sometimes exhibits a rather quirky personality. However, when the need arrises, Mab is often the most level headed of all the characters of DMFA.

== History ==
Mab originated back in 1998 as one of Amber's character on [[Furcadia]]. One particular day Amber offered to make a Web Shrine to a person who found a song she had been searching for. Another player by the name of Dan Ti'Fiona found the song and hence Amber made the shrine. As a small joke, Amber included the text "Coming soon: the Misadventures of Daniel Ti'Fiona, the comic!" to which the player Dan apparently took seriously. Eventually Amber went through with this, creating DMFA or "Dan and Mab's Furcadian Adventures" staring both Mab and Dan.
Mab has always been very closely entwined with DMFA and is probably one of the most recognisable characters from the series.