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User talk:Sine

2012-08-25T06:10:16Z

Bishop: /* "File:Califur 7 Pass.jpg" */ new section

It may take me a day or three to respond, and I am unlikely to respond to what I perceive as rhetorical questions. '''Please assume I have a reason for the edits I make, and be courteous in what you write here.'''

The best place for most discussion is the talk page of the particular article or category concerned, rather than here.

== Archives ==

* [[/FebMar2006|February - March 2006]] | [[/AprMay2006|April - May 2006]] | [[/June2006|June 2006]] | [[/July2006|July 2006]] | [[/AugSept2006|August - September 2006]] | [[/Oct2006|October 2006]] | [[/NovDec2006|November - December 2006]]
* [[/2007|January - March 2007]] | [[/Apr2007|April 2007]] | [[/MayDec2007|May - December 2007]]
* [[/2008|2008]]
* [[/20092010|2009 - 2010]]
* [[/2011|2011]]

== Brit of Gold Digger comics ==

Thanks for the edit to Brittany Diggers article. There is a question at Talk:Brittany Diggers and I'm hoping for some opinions to be posted there. --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 16:47, 13 January 2012 (EST)

== Alflor ==

Thanks so much for cleaning up my WikiFur pages! In the future, I'll use one of those edited pages as a template to make sure everything's done properly. I also have a question, actually. How do you want me to do the book summaries, because I noticed you've removed the ones I had put up. Thanks again! --[[User:alflor|Alflor]] 21:31, 23 February 2012 (EST)

== Pokemon Slide ==

I am the headwiz of Pokemon Slide. I don't understand why you flagged my article as needing cleanup. If you're asking if the backstory is a quotation from some published work, then no, it's not; it's my own personal creation. If you still feel that the article needs cleanup, please elaborate. {{unsigned|Istanbul}}

:Moving discussion to [[Talk:Pokémon Slide‎]]. -- 13:23, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

== Recent Photo Deletions ==

Would setting in the description that the Photos are all from furaffinity, and fall under puplic domain? Or are we considering that this falls under creative commons law? im just kinda wondering why the sudden mass deletion of anything i have posted up to help expand visual info on fursuiters. Let me know specifically what you are wanting me to say on the description so i can get it right the next time. {{Unsigned|Wolfangel slade}}

:Hi, public domain is a specific copyright status and creative commons is a specific license. Neither can be assumed from where the image is found. Basically, we need permission (from the artist or photographer in most cases) to use an image on WikiFur. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 17:34, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

So how should i show that they indeed gave me permission to post the picture?

== Jalgo ==

I noticed most of the biographies I write are labeled as not having references and are not in the proper style or something, how can I fix all of that? --[[User:jalgo|jalgo]] 17:24, 10 August 2012 (PST)
:I'll quote the template: "Consult the [[Help:Furry Book of Style|Furry Book of Style]] for editing help." If things are stil unclear, the best place to ask for help is the discussion page of one of the articles help is wanted with. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:33, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

== "File:Califur 7 Pass.jpg" ==

Sorry about the slow reply. I did take the photo of it, and I would be honored to have it in the article.

Xenirk Bishop

2012-02-10T16:11:15Z

Bishop: Blanked the page

Bishop

2012-02-10T16:09:40Z

Bishop: moving page

Bishop

2012-02-10T16:01:21Z

Bishop: moved Xenirk Bishop to Xenirk: updating and phasing out old info

Talk:Xenirk

2012-02-10T16:01:21Z

Bishop: moved Talk:Xenirk Bishop to Talk:Xenirk: updating and phasing out old info

Talk:Xenirk Bishop

2012-02-10T16:01:21Z

Bishop: moved Talk:Xenirk Bishop to Talk:Xenirk: updating and phasing out old info

#REDIRECT [[Talk:Xenirk]]

Xenirk Bishop

2012-02-10T16:01:21Z

Bishop: moved Xenirk Bishop to Xenirk: updating and phasing out old info

#REDIRECT [[Xenirk]]

Bishop

2012-02-10T15:59:52Z

Bishop: update and wording tweak

Bishop

2011-09-02T17:29:52Z

Bishop: updating/wrong cat

Bishop

2011-08-29T23:42:31Z

Bishop: outdated pic, small cleanup

Talk:Xenirk

2011-08-18T18:34:43Z

Bishop: Blanked the page

User talk:Higgs Raccoon

2011-07-17T02:06:28Z

Bishop: /* Userpage roll back */ new section

==Archives of old stuff==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1 (August 26th, 2006 - July 18th, 2007)]]
*[[/Archive 2|Archive 2 (July 19th, 2007 - August 25, 2008)]]
*[[/Archive 2|Archive 2 (August 25, 2008 - February 1, 2010)]]

==Current talks==

== User:65.30.52.215 ==

Hello, could his edits to my wikifur page be removed of trolling so it can't be taken back. Thanks
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Tuqiri {{unsigned|Tuqiri}}

:The vandal edits made by 65.30.52.215 were reverted less than half an hour after they were made, and the user warned not to do it again. If there are any problems in future someone will block that IP address if necessary.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 11:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

He is back filling my page with lies about the apparently "Stolen artwork" could you please lock it?
-Tuqiri

:The last edits made anonymously from 65.30.52.215 were in August, and I am not able to tell if any logged-in user has that IP address. Also, the "stolen artwork" section seems reasonable as references with pretty clear evidence were supplied. I'll put a 24-hour lock on it, though, due to the current edit-warrning--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 13:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no reason why it should be there look at the discussion the artist herself wants it removed its the same person who did it since he used the term stolen artwork last time he trashed it

== User:208.102.73.249 ==

Just wondering... Did IP user [[Special:Contributions/208.102.73.249|208.102.73.249]] do anything to earn a block beyond creating a single article with a few gibberish characters? That seems to me to be more on the level of experimentation/sandboxing, and an "assume good faith" response would be to delete the article, post a reply suggesting that they use the sandbox for further experimentation, and no block. (A block would more likely be appropriate if they had been warned previously, had created or modified multiple articles, or if the added content was otherwise inappropriate such as trolling or spamlinks.) --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

:I might have "assumed good faith" if it was just gibberish. The fact that the title of the article they created was an [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queef offensive term] pushed it over the line into vandalism in my opinion.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 19:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

::Okay, I wasn't familiar with that term. Now it makes more sense. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Please Remove Me ==

Hi there, I was wondering if you could please remove me (xsystm47) from this site? I used to be a part of this fandom in high school but now I don't have the time to contribute to it. Thanks a lot.

--[[User:Xsystm47|xsystm47]]

:Hello, 
:Even if you no longer have time for the fandom, it wouldn't be a problem leaving the article active, or amending the text to indicate you're no longer part of the fandom. If you prefer to have it removed, can I ask if you still have access to any of the old accounts that were listed in the article (LiveJournal, Fur Affinity, etc)? If you could go to one of those and put a note somewhere asking for deletion, it would serve to verify your identity. If you no longer have access to those accounts, you might try speaking directly to an admin at the Wikifur IRC channel: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:IRC --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 19:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Do not put me in this ==
This is Siegfried--I just found that not only is there a page for me, but it also had my birthdate, links to my LJ, weather station, and other items that are not directly associated with the fandom. That's not acceptable. I've blanked out my page--please remove it entirely and do not restore it.{{unsigned|71.203.102.43}}

== reversion ==

Thanks for the reversion.

Was doing some experimentation with templates and got nailed by a very inconvenient internet outage before I could clean up my own mess.

== holy crap ==
I'm on wikifur! =3 --[[User:Jasper-bear|Jasper-bear]] 17:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== MrDisambiguation article ==

Dear Good Sir, Tamiasthechipmunk has been vandalizing that article by only posting positive stuff about Dimorious, meanwhile the evidence is here:
[[File:NFM.png]] Please can you undo his edited version and the article will not be redone anymore. --[[User:ImperialismBeatsCommunism|ImperialismBeatsCommunism]] 00:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

:Then you'll be happy and, instead, Tamias will be asking for a revert. So no; I'm not sure what's to be done with this article, but the back-and-forth edit war isn't getting anywhere. I don't have the time so I'm going to leave the temporary block stand for now.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 00:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Priest22 ==

Regarding the banning of [[Special:Contributions/Priest22|Priest22]] and the image he had uploaded which you subsequently deleted, he is probably the IP user who attempted to update [[Manawolf]] with [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Manawolf&diff=297950&oldid=276688 this edit], which I reverted. I did in fact check out the DVD link from that edit and did not see any clear indication that the person portrayed was Manawolf; it's possible but beyond them having the same first name (Sarah) I couldn't find anything on the site to make that connection. Even the word 'furry' in the DVD title appears to refer to the actress having never shaved rather than as any sort of reference to the fandom.

Even if it is Manawolf I doubt this belongs on Wikifur. The DVD cover is inappropriate regardless, and the fact that someone appeared in an adult video is in my opinion controversial information that needs good references and needs a good reason to be publicized here.

My only concern is whether giving Priest22 an infinite ban is appropriate in case it turns out that really is Manawolf in the DVD. If it's not her, then yes. If it is her, we should assume good faith and treat it as a case trying to post controversial/derogatory information. And if we don't know, well... I'm not sure. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:11, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Stamping out vandalism ==
First, thank you for reverting the vandalism made to one of my articles from an unregistered IP. Though I monitor these articles, you caught it even before I did. Which brings me to a question... right now I'm new to WikiFur, but I support the concept and ideals. I'm also online an insane amount of the time. If I were to want to join the edit patrol at some point in the future, is there a "formal" application process (as there is for wiki admins), or can one just jump in and help? Thanks! --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 08:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hi, Cody. There's no formal process for joining those who patrol the recent edits reverting vandalism. This being a wiki, anyone can edit anything, so if you have the time to spare to occasionally glance at the recent changes list, and feel like reverting any vandal edits, then... go for it! I'm sure everyone here would welcome any effort you can put in to keeping things tidy!--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 17:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Higgs, thanks for the info. A few more questions, if I may? First, I noticed that you added [[Template:ContributorU]] to my friend [[User:Mishi|Mishi's]] user page. I almost had done that a few hours ago myself, but backed out of it since I wasn't sure that a general (non-admin) editor was permitted to edit another User: page. (Ref. [[User Talk:Spirou]]) So for instance, in this case, would it have been OK to add the ContributorU, particularly since Mishi and I are friends and work collaboratively? Or is it best to just avoid the User: page minefield? ;-) Also, with regard to the content spammer earlier that you blocked, I had just blanked the page and put an edit comment as to why. Would it have been better to use a Speedy Deletion tag instead? Thanks for your patient help. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 11:10, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Thank You ==

Thank you for moving those pages, I was unaware of the importance of that moving, instead of C/P. --[[User:LokiWuff|LokiWuff]] 21:53, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks for the edits!==
Howdy again Higgs, thanks for the edits on [[Rehgan|Rehgan's]] page. The formatting tweaks look nice, and I don't know '''how''' I managed to forget the categories and stub tag, LOL... Thanks for the keen eye. --[[User:CodyDenton|CodyDenton]] 17:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==Skiltek==
You deleted my character page while I was working on it in order to rename it after I had already renamed it.

This resulted in my losing half an hour of edit work.

If you're going to delete a page, please check if it has any recent revisions.

[[User:Skiltek|Tek Skiltaire]] 20:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:Skiltek, you deleted the contents of "Skiltek" by changing it to a redirect to "Foxmajik", and then started a new page there. That is not how things are done here as it destroys the edit history of the original article. I have corrected this by restoring it and moving it instead - now the edit history is retained. Having moved the article, I copied over the text from your last edit on Foxmajik (made 16 October 2010, at 20:01) so nothing was lost.
:Also, conversations should go on User Talk pages (like this one), not Article Talk pages (like [[Talk:Higgs Raccoon]] where you originally posted this). The former are for general discussions with a particular User. The latter are reserved for discussions only about the content of corresponding Articles. --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== Please Remove Me ==

Hey i was wondering if you could delete my page, it seems people keep on adding to it even though im not in the fandom for over a year now, and my roomate is all over my page saying its me. so yea, kindly delete my page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/JaxHusky

Thanks.
Jack{{unsigned|24.80.112.31}}

:Normally we make an attempt to verify someone's identity before deleting their page, so as to prevent third parties from impersonating people and having pages removed. What I usually do is get them to leave a note like "please delete me from wikifur" on (for example) their Fur Affinity page. But if you *are* JaxHusky you've been banned from there so that won't work. You might try heading to the WikiFur IRC channel (http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur:IRC) and seeing if there's an admin there with whom you can talk directly.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 00:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== FurPlanet Talk page ==

Hi, I was just wondering what kind of spam was being posted to this page? It either of the owners of FurPlanet so I was wondering what was up.--[[User:FuzzWolf|FuzzWolf]] 23:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

:The page [[Template_talk:FurPlanet]] was hit twice today by spam. Just a generic piece of text and a link to an external site not relevant to the page. They've been deleted, so you needn't worry about them (Spam happens from time to time).--00:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== New to Wikifur ==

Hey there,

I noticed that you added me to Wikifur as a stub. http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Dakota_Jaymes
I was wondering what I can do to contribute to it?

And thanks for adding me to the database.

-Dakota

:Hi Dakota, welcome to WikiFur.

:What might you add to the article about yourself? If you look at other people's articles, they may give you some ideas. One thing that occurs to me is a few sentences on what your fursona is. (You describe yourself as a "Kurasune", but I was unable to work out exactly what that is, except it's probably part-kitsune.) Perhaps also describe when and how you came to find the furry fandom.

:An image of your fursona wouldn't be a bad addition, either, if you have one you care to upload.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 22:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Higgs,
I placed a journal entry on my FA User Page requesting you to please lock my WikiFur page and delete my account. Just doing some clean up.

Kodicub

== WikiFur Noticeboard ==

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that [[WikiFur:Noticeboard]] was recently opened. Your input on any open topics would be appreciated, and please feel free to open new topics as you see fit. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 04:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Real Siblings ==

They are real siblings, not made up or other users.

-Steve

== Dumb Question ==

Hey again,

Out of curiosity, is it okay to post a reference sheet of my character on my personal page so others can see, and if so, how can I go about doing that?

[[User:DJaymes|DJaymes]] 19:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

:Hello, Dakota,
:By "personal page", do you mean [[User:DJaymes|your personal user page]], or [[Dakota Jaymes|the article about you]]? In either case (or both) the inclusion of a reference sheet would be fine. To include any image, you'll need to upload it first. You'll need to be logged in to do this, then look to the column on the left side of the screen - under "toolbox" there's a link that says "Upload file".

:After you've uploaded a file (it's pretty straightforward, but remember to give the file a ''meaningful'' name), it can be included in an article by inserting some text like:
:<nowiki>[[Image:Filename.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Caption text]]
</nowiki>
:--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 20:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Please remove my page ==

As you have probably noticed, [[Rorroh|my page]] is a complete mess. The circumstances for making it in the first place were a little iffy, and the original contents were something I was actually less than comfortable with, even though I was the one who supplied the orginal information. I'm very self-conscious, so after a bit of arguing (with myself, no less. ;)), I decided to just try to kill the weed at it's roots. Could you please delete my page? I have a Fur Affinity account, a WordPress account, and even a Twitter, so I can very easily prove I am he. Or, if it is at all possible, could you remove the edit history? I would actually prefer the removal of the history rather than total deletion.

Thank you,

- Rorroh

:Hello, Rorroh,
:Sometimes, if someone is requesting personal exclusion, I get them to leave a comment to that effect on their FA or wherever, but as you created the article in the first place I'll take that as enough proof of identity. I've deleted the article and locked it. If you change your mind in future, and want it unlocked so edits can resume, you can ask any admin to do it.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 22:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you, I can rest much easier now.

== My apologies ==

I apologize sincerely for any inconvenience experienced. It's just I've been trying to prove to some people that that article is valid for this site. So they required changes, and it goes on, so anyways sorry for any trouble I may have caused. I will work on becoming more technically apt. Sincerely, [[User:Perservere|Perservere]] 20:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

==Getting an article to "conform to wiki standards"==

Hi there, could you please tell me what I need to do to get http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Snowpocalypse "to conform to Wiki standards"? Originally I was told I needed to make it longer to contain more information, and when I did an Admin deleted it saying "the information was redundant as it was listed on the external website". Help me please? We only have a month before this event and I don't want this sitting in an archive not displayed to the general public for any longer!

Thanks!
[[user:Yarrick|Yarrick]] 22:42 13 February 2011 (CST)

==Re: Preview==

Thanks for telling me about the "Show preview", I haven't seen it before and I will try to remember to use it.

[[User:~Tim|~Tim]] 00:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

==Thanks!==
Thanks for puting a edit block on my wikifur.. im tired of trolling messing with it!

==shadowfox8588==

Hey.. on my wikifur if you read.. it seems there is no data on the aritcle{{unsigned|Shadowfox8588}}

:<checks> At present, [[Shadowfox8588]] contains text/data.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 12:59, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== KaliTheRabit ==

Thanks, Higgs - I meant to hop on IRC and ask someone about that, because I thought I could redirect to the second account. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 05:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

== Image cleanup ==

Thanks for the quick response, Higgs! As you can see, I decided to go on a bit of tidy-up tear :-) --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 04:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

:No problem. Thanks for having devoted some of your time to identifying those images which were orphaned.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 09:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

== User talk:189.47.7.137 ==

Sorry, Im not from arround here... Wiki fur is still a bit new for me... I mean I Know for some years, but only about some small time I created courage to edit it...

And I was only thinking into saving my Legend of Zelda article...

== Please do not bulk-edit my talk page ==

I appreciate your attempt to revert what probably looked like vandalism, but I would greatly appreciate it if you did not make structural changes to my talk page.

I made the edit to my own talk page, it's ok.

[[User:Shentino|Shentino]] 22:26, 3 April 2011 (CEST)

==I would welcome your opinion==
If you have a moment to spare, could you look at [[Zidonuke]], the article - specifically the edit history, please? There was a couple of references to bannings which he had reverted. I looked at them and they were referenced, but the wording was somewhat non-NPOV in my view. So I added a simple statement of fact about the bans with the references cited, and that's been reverted as well. At the risk of sounding clueless, is this an instance where the subject of the article should override other editors? Myself, I think that being banned from SL and from F-List, the latter with some amount of comment and so forth, would be justifiably included in the article, but I am not an experienced editor by any means; if this is an example of where I should just leave well enough alone, please let me know for my future guidance? Thank you. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 06:58, 4 April 2011 (CEST)
:Dur - I meant to also say, I did ask [[User:Zidonuke]] on his talk page why he reverted it, so perhaps I'll gain some understanding from him as well. Thanks again. --[[GingerM]] ([[User_talk:GingerM|Leave me a message]]) 07:00, 4 April 2011 (CEST)
::Hmmm. You could perhaps start a discussion about this on the article's talk page, where others editors and admins will see it. We don't like to create conflict, but at the same time shouldn't be censoring and sugar-coating articles. I guess you could debate whether or not Zidonuke's bans are noteworthy. My gut feeling is that they're a borderline case but probably worth including if there are references (as your edit had) and (if possible) a word of explanation about why he was banned.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 13:23, 6 April 2011 (CEST)

== Exclusion of [[steampunk]] ==

I'm curious as to why you've just reverted my whole edit contribution so far.

Have you seen the [http://en.wikifur.com/w/index.php?title=Steampunk&action=history edit history] for Steampunk? It was deleted years ago, quite reasonably, because there was a bigger and possibly better article at [[:wikipedia:Steampunk]]. However this "manual redirect" was never coded so that links can then work properly. Articles that referred to it, such as [[Grandville]], then had to hard-code the redirect on each article. This is just poor use of MediaWiki.

You deleted the redirect on the grounds that off-wiki redirects were against Wikifur practice. This is simply untrue: it's what's implied by the deletion comment for the old Steampunk article and, more obviously, it's what you did yourself when you re-added the redirect in Grandville. Using a redirect page is simply good practice for MediaWiki - it centralises the redirect so that ''all'' WikiFur links to steampunk go through one clear article on it. This can be either local or, as here, a remote article at Wikipedia.

If there's a ban on links that redirect to Wikipedia, then that should be removed from Grandville.

If there's a ban on off-wiki redirects other than those to Wikipedia (using Wikipedia as a back-end for common terms is well-established practice on many, of not most, wikis) then that ban needs to be clarified. As it is, many terms and not just Steampunk are using redirected links like this. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] 17:42, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

:No, I did '''not''' remove your edit to Steampunk because (in your words) "off-wiki redirects were against Wikifur practice". I removed it because there was nothing else in the article '''but''' the redirect, and that is just not how things are done here. If you feel there is a poor use of WikiMedia you are welcome to take it up with GreenReaper.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 17:52, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

:: So why is there now ''no content at all'' under [[Steampunk]]? If off-WikiFur redirects are a problem, then the article shouldn't have been deleted in the first place.
:: Or is steampunk just one of those topics that isn't to be talked about at WikiFur?
:: The sad thing is that I'm only here because I've been dragged into a political bunfight within the UK steampunk community about the appropriateness of Fur. There is a widely held view that there ''isn't'' any place for it, a view I see as narrow-minded on the part of those steampunks. When pushed, they defend this on the basis of "You don't want to get involved with those Furries, they'll turn and bite you" (not a view I've ever held). Yet moments after I turn up and start trying to expand Steamfurry coverage here, I do indeed find that they're pounced on and reverted, and the steampunk article blanked entirely! Do I have to admit I was wrong here and that it's not the ''Steampunks'' who have a problem with Fur, it's the Furries who have the problem with Steampunk?! [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] 18:06, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

::: ''So why is there now no content at all under Steampunk? If off-WikiFur redirects are a problem, then the article shouldn't have been deleted in the first place.''
:::There is currently no content at [[Steampunk]] because (...looks at deleted content...) the original article there was not deemed appropriate for WikiFur. It was a nice potted description of Steampunk but "furry" was not even mentioned. Hence it was not considered relevant for WikiFur, especially since nothing was said that Wikipedia did not already cover more fully.
:::That deletion was in 2006. That was a while ago, so if, since then, there has been more overlap between the two fandoms, then it ''may'' be appropriate to have a Steampunk article on WikiFur. But it would need to be written in such a way that makes it relevant. (ie detailing the crossover between the two genres and emphasising the "steamfur" aspects not covered in other wikis.)--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 18:43, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

:::I don't think we have any "problem" with steampunk. However, the topic also has no clear relevance to furry fandom, and Wikipedia has a quite adequate article on the topic. In such situations - to avoid useless duplication of effort - we instead link directly to Wikipedia, and require that any article created be restricted to matters which relate directly to furry fandom. The article which once existed on the topic did not contain any such material, and so it was deleted. If you would like to create an article detailing the influence of steampunk on furry fandom (or vice versa), you are welcome to do so. But do it ''first''. Creating a redirect and changing articles which currently use a direct interwiki link to point to that redirect merely adds a needless level of indirection for readers, and so decreases the quality of those articles. That is why your change was reverted. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:39, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

By the way, I suggested a few solutions for such situations. It's [[Forum:Forum:"No article" template|"no article" template]] for red links that are unlikely to become articles in near future, but might as well in far perspective; and [[Template talk:Furry potential|Furry potential template]] for articles that can be expanded with furry-related information. [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 18:11, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

What ''is'' steampunk, exactly, and how much does it have to do with furry? Because, if done properly, I'm all for having it included. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 19:54, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
:[[Wikipedia:Steampunk|Wikipedia's article on the topic]] is an excellent answer to the first part of that, which is why we link to it. As for the second, well, that's the question, isn't it? :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:56, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
:I think I know two steampunk settings that have furry races. The first is Victoriana (it has plenty), and the second one is "Sorcery & Steam" (this I will have to double-check, but I think there were some). [[User:EvilCat|EvilCat]] 20:05, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

* (sorry for my delay in responding)
: The point here isn't really to do with Steampunk, it's the much broader point to do with "encyclopedia scope" as it applies to WikiFur.
: There are a number of articles that are far from "Fur specific", are described elsewhere, and are of peripheral relevance to Fur. Should these be included here, or should off-Fur links and redirects be used to take readers towards them? Examples would be [[Trekker]], [[Steampunk]] and [[overlocker]] (a specialised sewing machine, most useful for sewing jersey fur fabrics when costuming). None of these are Fur-specific, they're all described outside on other sites, `1but they're all legitimate terms that need to appear in any complete discussion of Fur. Costumed lifestyle fandom can't explain its history without Trek, [[LARP]] or [[cosplay]]. When these terms are used on WikiFur, they need to be easy bluelinks - anything else is letting down the reader.
: Now I don't care how it's to be done - this isn't my party, I have no intention to start telling others how to run their scene. However WikiFur ought to decide what's best, links outside to existing articles (usually Wikipedia, or else some TrekWikia / CosplayWikia / SewingWikia), content hosted here within WikiFur (after all, Wikipedia content is reusable by a simple import). What's bad though is to either leave these as unlinks or redlinks (hard on the reader) or to have to continually use pseudo-namespaces, like the convoluted <code><nowiki>[[:wikipedia:Steampunk|steampunk]]</nowiki></code> that was in [[Grandville]] (hard on content editors). Both of these suck and have easy technical fixes.
: Should automatic and invisible off-WikiFur redirects be allowed? Maybe not - that's a judgement for the WikiFur community to make. However that's what's currently there on Grandville. Should these links be "trapped" and warned? Maybe - so create the centralised [[Steampunk]] page here on WikiFur and use a template to wrap the off-site link up in a box. It's WikiFur's call as to which is most appropriate for the community, but neither redlinks nor hard-coded links, as at present, are the best way to do this. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] 08:49, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

* [[Steampunk]] and [[Steamfurry]]
: I came here to write a [[Steamfurry]] article, on the cross-over between the two scenes. It's highly relevant to WikiFur. It has been around in mass-media for decades, since "[[:wikipedia:Around the World with Willy Fog|Around the World with Willy Fog]]" (Around the World in 80 Days, with cartoon anthros). Now it's perhaps best known through [[Grandville]]. There's a very small, but noticeable, steamfurry scene within some steampunk groups (lots of avians, for some reason). There's also a vociferous anti-Fur campaign within UK steampunk that deserves mention.
: As to whether a [[steampunk|steam''punk'']] article is needed here, then see above. It's a peripheral background, no-one is claiming it's part of Fur, but that's still (see above) something that warrants mention on the site, ''because readers will be clicking to try and read it for the background''. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] 08:54, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

== Talk Page==

Any paticular reason you like changing people's talkpages? [[User:TyVulpine|TyVulpine]] 13:01, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:It was just a welcome message; generally it is a better idea to leave all the information on your talk page unless it is outright bullying. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 13:03, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
::A 2-year old message, that I felt was time to remove. *shrugs* [[User:TyVulpine|TyVulpine]] 14:12, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, you could have archived it; I personally wouldn't have reverted it as it was just a welcome message, but I wouldn't have deleted it off my page. Just thought I'd throw that in there in case Higgs didn't have time to respond. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just thought I'd let you know... ==

that you are one of the three furries that I genuinely respect. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 21:37, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
:Out of curiousity, who are the other two? [[User:TyVulpine|TyVulpine]] 21:05, 22 May 2011 (EDT)
::GreenReaper, and someone whose name currently escapes me. [[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 14:35, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Need to introduce you to Duncan Roo and Flinters. [[User:TyVulpine|TyVulpine]] 19:32, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ceil Fox ==
Thanks for that - everytime I tried adding the image to the article, it looked squished, so I left it out :) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 08:58, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
Also, why change the category order ? I wasn't aware that it made much difference.... [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 09:00, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:No problem. The category order doesn't really make any difference, but I tweaked it so it followed the "standard" category order. We generally go: People, then activity-related categories (Artists, Fursuiters, Musicians, Con Staff, etc), then character-related categories (like species), then geographical location, then dates (Birth, Death).--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 09:13, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Notability / verifiability etc. ==

Sorry to bother you, but since this isn't Wikipedia, the verifiability / notability criteria are somewhat different, and I need some guidance - or at least pointing in the direction of some guidelines....

Basically, I was looking at the dead-end pages, and came across [[The Taylyin Railway]] - ostensibly a "short novel". Now, if this were WP, as you know, there would have to be indication that not only was this notable enough for inclusion, but also that it actually existed. Since it seems to be a piece of fan fiction written by [[Jacen Wallcroft]], and since he doesn't seem to be notable enough to have anything published mainstream (i.e. outside the fandom), I was wondering whether the novel article should be included, deleted, or merged into the author's article ? This also leads to a further question - WikiFur (afaik) basically says that *any* fur can have an article - ok, but what about fan fiction that they may create ? Mainstream or widely available works, yes, but what about short stories, novels, poems etc. ? At what point do these pieces of work deserve articles of their own (or even inclusion in Wikifur ?). Does there have to be proof that the piece of work even exists ?!

A coda to this is - what constitutes self-advertising/promotion, and is it allowed on Wikifur ?

Any guidance you can give would be appreciated :) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 11:18, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

:I've added the "appropriate?" tag to the article in question, to see what other people think, but my feeling is that works-in-progress shouldn't be included on WikiFur. (Especially since they may or may ever be finished.)
: I feel completed works should be included as a subsection in their authors' articles, unless they are particularly noteworthy - for example, something by a major established furry writer which has been formally published as a physical book probably ''would'' deserve its own article.--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 22:58, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Forfaox ==

Curses, I keep forgetting to put references *after* the punctuation, and that's the second time I've missed out the specific species category....must try harder ! :) [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 07:04, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

== New users ==

Hi - since you seem to be active at the moment, if I'm adding a welcome message to a new users talk page, should I be using Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}}, Welcome to [[WikiFur]]! Thank you for registering an account - we look forward to working with you. [[Forum:Help desk|Let us know]] if you need any [[Help:Contents|help]] not already provided. If you would like help creating an article or just editing it, don't hesitate to consult the [[Help:Furry Book of Style|Furry Book of Style]] or just contact a [[WikiFur:Colleagues|curator]]. Have a nice day! :-) / Welcome to [[WikiFur]], and thank you for [[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|your recent contributions]]! Don't forget, you can [[Special:Userlogin|get a free account]] ([[Help:Registration|why should I?]]). [[Forum:Help desk|Let us know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-), or {{welcome-vanity}}, or something else entirely ? I'm not totally certain of which template to use (I've just been using what a few other editors have been using), and I was never totally clear about ising susbst anyway.... [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 08:36, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

:Using what other editors use is probably a good start. The different "welcomes" are:
:<nowiki>{{anon-welcome}}</nowiki> if you want to welcome a user who has not registered an account (ie just appears as an IP address).
:<nowiki>{{article-welcome}}</nowiki> if a registered user has just created an article about themselves.
:<nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> if you want to give a general welcome to a registered user.
:<nowiki>{{welcome-vanity}}</nowiki> if you want to suggest a newly-registered user make a vanity page about themselves.
:--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 09:11, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

::Thanks - should I be concerned about using "subst" at all when adding them ? [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 09:13, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

:::I'm not sure if it makes any difference. <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> seems to be have the same effect as <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki>--[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 09:22, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

::::Many thanks - and apologies for the gibberish at the start of this item - that's what comes of not using the "nowiki" tag - d'oh ! [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 09:25, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

== Featured article vandalism ==

Ahh - didn't think to use a redirect to fix it ! Nice catch ! XD [[User:Bezel|Bezel]] 02:50, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

== Re: ==

But logging takes more clicks! D: [[File:Scalesona.jpg|40x40px]][[User:Equivamp|Equivamp]] 10:58, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

==SpaceFox Says==

Thanks Higgs for the edits, very professional.

== Thank you ==

Im fairly new to wiki editing and thanks for the tips you left in the history for my page, and for making Frostee's Page in the first place! Also, thanks for helping with the 'Utah Furries' article, once the page starts to have the correct info on it, it keeps getting reverted back with no explanation on the discussion or history.--[[User:FrosteeDFox|FrosteeDFox]] 16:30, 14 July 2011 (EDT)

== Userpage roll back ==

Hello there Higg's, I really think your doing a great job helping the wiki keep clean and spammer free but is it possible for my page go back to the way it was, it took nearly 2 weeks to get the wording right and make it look good. I know you have final call on things but I would really appreciate it if I could roll my wiki back. to the (20:21, 16 July 2011) with just the Bishop page and not the new one. ([[User:Bishop|Bishop]] 22:06, 16 July 2011 (EDT))

Bishop

2011-07-16T20:21:00Z

Bishop: bringing article up to furwiki standard's

Bishop

2011-06-18T06:16:09Z

Bishop: Moving/Loc and updating

Bishop

2011-05-23T00:00:12Z

Bishop: small update

Talk:Xenirk

2011-05-07T21:25:29Z

Bishop: record keeping

Looks like a drive by vandalizem happend by user [137.56.163.64] on my page and 5 others, Gota love proxys/spam bot's, Oh well it happens Thank you Higgs Raccoon for fixing it.

~Bishop

Bishop

2011-02-11T20:21:13Z

Bishop: Updating, Removing outdated info and cleaning up in General ~Bishop

Bishop

2010-11-08T00:09:58Z

Bishop: updated info

Bishop

2010-11-06T07:22:47Z

Bishop: Minor name edit to match fursona

Bishop

2010-08-15T02:03:59Z

Bishop: Bishop's fursona lmage.

Bishop

2010-06-20T21:02:16Z

Bishop: removed unused / unseen lines in infobox, spell checking

Forum:Removing Old Revision's

2010-06-20T05:56:58Z

Bishop:

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[[Category:Help desk]]


Hello i was hoping you could remove all old Revision's from my page to clean up the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Bishop

Thank you, Bishop
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Forum:Removing Old Revision's

2010-06-20T05:55:49Z

Bishop: Created page with '<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' Index > Help desk > {{PAGENAME}}</div> Category:Help desk <!-- Please put your content unde…'

<div class="forumheader">'''Forums:''' [[Forum:Index|Index]] > [[Forum:Help desk|Help desk]] > {{PAGENAME}}</div> 

[[Category:Help desk]]


Hello i was hoping you could remove all old Revision's from my page to clean up the page http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Bishop

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Wolf

2010-06-19T23:59:14Z

Bishop: Added "Himalayan Wolf" to Wolf list

:''This article is about the species. For other uses, see [[Wolf]].''
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'''Wolves''' are defined as any of several large [[carnivorous]] [[mammal]]s of the genus ''Canis'', of the dog family [[Canidae]]. Wolves are one of the [[List of most popular phenotypes|most popular]] [[species]] for [[fursona]]s.

In [[wikipedia:Ancient Rome|ancient Rome]], wolves were considered symbols of sexual potency, as well as good mothers: a wolf raised [[wikipedia:Romulus and Remus|Romulus and Remus]], after all. In the modern times, wolves are still sometimes considered pests and dangerous, and are hunted without need. However, modern scientific research, nature documentaries and books and films like ''[[Wikipedia:Never Cry Wolf|Never Cry Wolf]]'' have done much to turn the public image around for many people. In the [[furry fandom]], a mix of both elements is seen: admiration and distrust.

As the wild ancestors of domestic [[dog]]s, wolves seem both familiar and exotic to [[human]]s, which might explain their continuing fascination. Wolves have almost become cliches in some types of modern historical and [[fantasy]] fiction, shown as noble, savage, or a mixture of both qualities. ''[[The Wolves of Time]]'' duology included wolf characters from nobly self-sacrificing through to unrepentantly evil.

[[Wikipedia:Native_Americans_in_the_United_States|Native Americans]] revere the [[Wikipedia:Animal_worship|Wolf Totem]] in a different light. Within the Native American cultures, wolves are considered to be Pathfinders and Guardians.

[[Image:Bad guy Jeran Lobo.jpg|left|thumb|[[Jeran Lobo]], a fictional wolf character in [[Extinctioners]]]]

*'''Gray Wolf''',
**Arctic Wolf
**Eastern Timber Wolf
**Eurasian Wolf
**Himalayan Wolf
**Mexican Wolf
**Mackenzie Valley Wolf
**Red Wolf/Eastern Wolf
**Timber Wolf
**Tundra Wolf
*Dire Wolf, a type of prehistoric species of wolf and a species in fantasy role-playing games
*Eastern Canadian Wolf, a recently recognized species
*Ethiopian Wolf, which resembles a fox
*Red Wolf, a rare species in Eastern USA

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Wolf characters|Wolf characters]]
* [[Wolf roleplay forums]]
* [[Wolf (video game)]]
* [[Wolfdog]]

==External links==
* [http://furry.de/miavir/stories/key.wolf.html Stories with "Wolf" species keyword] at [[Mia's Index of Anthro' Stories]]
*[http://stalwart.perfectdrug.net/ Wolf Fanlisting]
*[[Wikipedia:Gray Wolf|Gray Wolf/Timber Wolf]] on [[Wikipedia]]
*[[Wikipedia:Red Wolf|Red Wolf]] on Wikipedia

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