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User:BennuTeomabar

2006-08-18T18:28:13Z

BennuTeomabar:

==Timeline==

===1980===
Born in Arkansas.

===circa 1993===
first 'anthro' art, but then I just thought it was a cartoon -shrugs-

===1995===
Started playing guitar. Had art class for 3 years, but drawing was secondary to music and writing for most of that time.

===1998===
Graduated high school

===2005===
I found anthro/furry art again.

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-08T21:47:53Z

BennuTeomabar:

==Timeline==

===1980 to 1985===
Born in Arkansas. Lived in Murfreesboro.

===1985 to 1992===
Moved a couple of times, winding up in Marshall, Texas.

===circa 1991===
the school I was at had us working on Apple computers –I just remember the apple on them not what kind- programming in Logo. Later on I had other computer classes but they were mostly endless typing.

===1992===
Moved a few miles, but into Waskom school district.

===circa 1993===
first 'anthro' art, but then I just thought it was a cartoon -shrugs-

===1995===
Started playing guitar. Had art class for 3 years, but drawing was secondary to music and writing for most of that time.

===1994 to 1998===
High school, which I graduated from.

===1999 to 2005===
Family went thru period of instability that's too complicated to go into. Basically I lived in our house while they moved out and back in a few times. 
October 2001 started working on a story eventually called "Under the Moon" that I grew tired of rewriting, even tho I like some of the ideas in it. 
"Under the Sun" is something I still think about, an alternate history thing involving Native Americans.

===2005===
I had found DeviantArt sometime in late 04, I was looking for themes for Firefox, and wound up looking around. At this time my writing was frustrating since I had plot troubles even though other parts were good. I found anthro/furry art at some time, and I had done some drawing intermittently, so I picked it back up again.

In August I started going to technical college, and picked webmaster cuz it sounded good at the time.

And those are the two things that have taken up most of my time since.

==Recently==
* I went to the Potawatomi Powwow in Oklahoma, cuz I am one.
* I made an entry for Frisket's contest on DA.

==Currently==
* Not doing much, just chillaxin.
* I plan on getting a tablet because a mouse causes too much pain if I use it for an extended period.

* Frisket has plans for a website for the Metal Shrine community-thing (based on her character Sutra) which I have tentatively offered to help with; waiting on further developments. (See "proof-of-concept" work [http://benthomonster.googlepages.com here])

== Websites ==
* [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page on DA]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bennu on FA]

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-01T21:01:37Z

BennuTeomabar:

==Stream of thought==
A recurring theme of my life has been isolation. My father was social, but my mother never was. Since my dad has spent most of my life working or resting from work, I was mostly raised by my mom.

===Arkansas===
I was born in Arkadelphia in 1980, the town where my parents met in college. My mom was going to be a librarian before my dad, and he wanted to be Tolkien or something. We lived in Murfreesboro next door to my dad’s parents. I think half the town is related to us, and most know my family somehow, good or bad.
They named me after Obi Wan, the old hermit who protected secrets…

===Texas===
When I was 5 we moved to Texarkana. Aside from a year in Bossier City, this is the state I’ve lived in since.

===Computers===
When I was 10-11 the school I was at had us working on Apple computers –I just remember the apple on them not what kind- programming in Logo. Later on I had other computer classes but they were mostly endless typing.
My dad got us a computer sometime about 1993, Wang, Windows 3.1, 2MB RAM… yeah XD

===Rebirth===
I have a habit of leaving a situation and starting over, regardless of logic or practicality. This is what happened when I was 12 and we moved a few miles but wound up in the Waskom school district, I left my old friends…
Even tho starting over requires social skills I have largely lacked most of my life.

===Teenageness===
Oh the hours spent drooling over girls… doodling in class… telling dirty jokes… being lookout for the smokers at lunch… smoking pot cuz I just wanted to get high and not feel or think anymore…
I lived out in the woods, and didn’t have a car, and so I was alone outside of school 98% of the time (aside from parents and sister).
The times I skipped school were to visit friends and just hang out.
We didn’t have the internet then –gasp- I know the school did but they didn’t let us use it.

===I don’t remember being 18===
After graduation I just went to sleep…

===1999 was a bad year===
My sister and one of her friends had some boy bothering them and crazy shit, finally in April my sister went to live with gramma in M’boro, and my mom went crazy. No, like, had to put her on medication cuz she was hallucinating and such.
That summer she moved up there with my sis.
I’m pretty sure I did some stuff in this gap…

===September 2001===
Started with my dad moving to M’boro cuz he lost/quit his job. This meant I had our old house completely to myself- all MINE. Which would have been awesome if I’d had friends to share it with. Naturally I assumed that this would change quickly, I’d get things going…

That October I started writing a sci-fi story featuring a fox girl I’d had dreams about.

===Things get messy here===
Everybody moved in and out a couple of times and I don’t care about the details. Basically by 2003 I had the place to myself for what seemed like a long term situation, although my sis had a room, she stayed with friends, and I had satellite TV… and had Internet! Of course, all I knew was there were some interesting things like Slashdot, and everything else was a bunch of perverted losers –cough-
Anyway, they were going to sell our house for a while, and I had to keep it CLEAN. Like permanently pimped out shiny. And I got used to it that way. Then my parents moved back in o.o

===2005===
I had found DeviantArt sometime in late 04, I was looking for themes for Firefox, and wound up looking around. At this time my writing was frustrating since I had plot troubles even though other parts were good. I found anthro/furry art at some time, and remembered long ago when I was 12-13 I had tried to draw a comic thing where I was a wolf; and I had done some drawing intermittently, so I picked it back up again.

In August my mom went back to college, so I went too, and picked webmaster cuz it sounded good at the time.

And those are the two things that have taken up most of my time since.

==Personality?==
I tend to be introverted and mostly concerned with what's on my mind at the time. This is more habit than not caring about other people.

I tend to be highly optimistic about people until I have a reason not to. Unless it's something that really hurts me I tend to forgive most anything if they have some logic for it.

I worry too much about what other people think about me, and try too hard to explain why I do things.

When I care about someone, if they seem to need help I'll do whatever I can (even if it's not always wanted) but if I know they're OK I can go long periods with little communication.

I have been know to just say whatever I'm thinking without, um, thinking about what I'm saying.

Oh crap I sound geeky and needy D:

==Recently==
* I went to the Potawatomi Powwow in Oklahoma, cuz I am one.
* I made an entry for Frisket's contest on DA.

==Currently==
* I've been sketching things, but it's mostly been "social" stuff cuz I haven't hung out with many people lately due to them being scattered, my class schedule, etc.
* I plan on getting a tablet because a mouse causes too much pain if I use it for an extended period.

* I have some ideas for a website for the Metal Shrine community that Frisket requested for help on, and am waiting on further developments.

== Websites ==
* [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page on DA]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bennu on FA]

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-01T20:46:04Z

BennuTeomabar:

== Talk Page o.o; ==
Hurray?

[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 23:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there, Bennu, and welcome to WikiFur! Thank you for your recent contributions. [[Forum:Help desk|Let us know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== Holy Crap ==

So while I was away for the weekend, some or maybe ALL the people I've added found this thing, and, well they kinda tripped out.

The only reason I added anythin is cuz I was curious about this wiki thing and saw they weren't on here. I've done a bit of work on my family tree, and know how easy it is for people to disappear from history, so...

Honestly, I am a bit naive and trusting, but then that's why I'm willing to tell everyone I'm the one that's been lurking amongst them scribbling little notes for the wiki 0=

:edit- oops should add sig --[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 16:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:As I think others have said, the redistribution of public information is -encouraged- here, so don't feel bad and continue to do so in future. :) If people complain, they are normally the minority so let us as admins deal with them. ;) --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 18:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:I'll say no more.
:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

::Why delete your user page? I'm quite annoyed that the acts of some over protective people that don't quite understand what we are trying to do here should make you remove content. :( --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 09:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

::I decided to change the writing style >.>;; I just tend to erase stuff before I decide what to replace it with... and I'm not used to people watching me work ^^;
::--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 20:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-01T20:35:44Z

BennuTeomabar:

==Stream of thought==
A recurring theme of my life has been isolation. My father was social, but my mother never was. Since my dad has spent most of my life working or resting from work, I was mostly raised by my mom.

===Arkansas===
I was born in Arkadelphia in 1980, the town where my parents met in college. My mom was going to be a librarian before my dad, and he wanted to be Tolkien or something. We lived in Murfreesboro next door to my dad’s parents. I think half the town is related to us, and most know my family somehow, good or bad.
They named me after Obi Wan, the old hermit who protected secrets…

===Texas===
When I was 5 we moved to Texarkana. Aside from a year in Bossier City, this is the state I’ve lived in since.

===Computers===
When I was 10-11 the school I was at had us working on Apple computers –I just remember the apple on them not what kind- programming in Logo. Later on I had other computer classes but they were mostly endless typing.
My dad got us a computer sometime about 1993, Wang, Windows 3.1, 2MB RAM… yeah XD

===Rebirth===
I have a habit of leaving a situation and starting over, regardless of logic or practicality. This is what happened when I was 12 and we moved a few miles but wound up in the Waskom school district, I left my old friends…
Even tho starting over requires social skills I have largely lacked most of my life.

===Teenageness===
Oh the hours spent drooling over girls… doodling in class… telling dirty jokes… being lookout for the smokers at lunch… smoking pot cuz I just wanted to get high and not feel or think anymore…
I lived out in the woods, and didn’t have a car, and so I was alone outside of school 98% of the time (aside from parents and sister).
The times I skipped school were to visit friends and just hang out.
We didn’t have the internet then –gasp- I know the school did but they didn’t let us use it.

===I don’t remember being 18===
After graduation I just went to sleep…

===1999 was a bad year===
My sister and one of her friends had some boy bothering them and crazy shit, finally in April my sister went to live with gramma in M’boro, and my mom went crazy. No, like, had to put her on medication cuz she was hallucinating and such.
That summer she moved up there with my sis.
I’m pretty sure I did some stuff in this gap…

===September 2001===
Started with my dad moving to M’boro cuz he lost/quit his job. This meant I had our old house completely to myself- all MINE. Which would have been awesome if I’d had friends to share it with. Naturally I assumed that this would change quickly, I’d get things going…

That October I started writing a sci-fi story featuring a fox girl I’d had dreams about.

===Things get messy here===
Everybody moved in and out a couple of times and I don’t care about the details. Basically by 2003 I had the place to myself for what seemed like a long term situation, although my sis had a room, she stayed with friends, and I had satellite TV… and had Internet! Of course, all I knew was there were some interesting things like Slashdot, and everything else was a bunch of perverted losers –cough-
Anyway, they were going to sell our house for a while, and I had to keep it CLEAN. Like permanently pimped out shiny. And I got used to it that way. Then my parents moved back in o.o

===2005===
I had found DeviantArt sometime in late 04, I was looking for themes for Firefox, and wound up looking around. At this time my writing was frustrating since I had plot troubles even though other parts were good. I found anthro/furry art at some time, and remembered long ago when I was 12-13 I had tried to draw a comic thing where I was a wolf; and I had done some drawing intermittently, so I picked it back up again.

In August my mom went back to college, so I went too, and picked webmaster cuz it sounded good at the time.

And those are the two things that have taken up most of my time since.

==Recently==
* I went to the Potawatomi Powwow, cuz I am one.
* I made an entry for Frisket's contest on DA.

==Currently==
* I've been sketching things, but it's mostly been social stuff cuz I haven't hung out with many people lately due to them being scattered, my class schedule, etc.
* I plan on getting a tablet because a mouse causes too much pain if I use it for an extended period.

* I have some ideas for a website for the Metal Shrine community that Frisket requested for help on, and am waiting on further developments.

== Websites ==
* [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page on DA]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bennu on FA]

ProjectBlue02

2006-07-01T04:18:32Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Bluefreak''' or '''Lyndsay Hohne''' (born December 1984) is an anthro/furry artist from Ohio, USA. The name Bluefreak really has nothing to do with "blue" or "freak"; it's short for "Bluefreakotton", a random username she used early on.

She joined DeviantArt in 2003 but as of June 30, 2006 left, citing real life concerns, removing all but one picture.

==Fursona==

Bluefreak's [[fursona]] is half [[Fennec Fox]], half Maine Coon [[cat]], a pale tannish colour with a large floofy tail. Her hair is about shoulder length and blue; her eyes are greenish. She usually wears baggy shirt, pants, collar, and often glasses. She prefers to be barefoot when possible (like the real Bluefreak).

== External links ==

* [http://bluefreak.deviantart.com Bluefreak's page] at [[deviantART]]

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Fennec-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Cat-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Ohio]]
[[Category:1984 births]]

Talk:Seel

2006-07-01T04:18:17Z

BennuTeomabar:

Yeah, did you ever stop to think that maybe Seel doesn't want her personal info online? Personally as one of her close friends I find it rather creepy, it's a major invasion of personal space.

:As a wiki that documents members and people of the furry fandom, we write about what ever publically avalible information exists about the person and any other personal details they wish to provide if they so choose. If the information exists here then it must of already been avalible in a public place just as a public LiveJournal post by them or their website, etc.

:We do of course understand that some people don't want to be written about, and that is why we have our [[WikiFur:Policies_and_guidelines#Exclusion_of_information|exclusion of information policy]], however this policy can only be activated by the exact person in question. They themselves will need to contact a member of the WikiFur [[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] or leave a note here requesting the article be removed or locked to their control depending.

:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Oh f--k... they're pissed at ME.
:I'm not "close" to Seel, but I have done art for her and talked to her on occasion, and there's nothing here that's not on DeviantArt or her other galleries; for example, in one some of her DA journals she mentioned her dad and moving, but I can see now how it is jarring to find someone has bothered to... umm... encyclopedia-ize a living person's life.
:I do think it would be better practice to simply sketch a person's bare details (name they sign works with) and focus more on the art (or whatever they are known for) until it has been considered "sufficiently", preferably by being previewed ^^;
:I shall follow such a practice when contributing further to prevent such unsettlements. However, I will leave what I have added as-is, as public reference for this discussion, to be as candid as possible.
:Please note I am withholding my DA URL until I know I won't get flamed... because I'm paranoid now that I've remembered I'm on the internet too ;3

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not mad at you and I don't want to flame you, I'm not immature, and I most certainly do not see the need to argue about this topic anymore since we (excluding you) have had closure already thus ending all need for further explanation or censored swears :), which I do believe have no place censored or not in a mature conversation such as this one.

And for the books I did not get linked her by Bloo, I got linked here by someone who shared the same views as myself on ths whole matter. (along with Seel who's proposed to do nothing but is still highly creeped out herself):

:I had just returned from a long trip, and should have rested before doing anything.
:I took some time to consider things and decide to make some edits that are more privacy oriented.
:I said too much earlier, so I'll stop now.
:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 04:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I understand what you mean by the public information but for it all to be collected in one specific area is rather dangerous to the person in question's safety (such as her location). My personal opinion about this site is that it gives out information about someone without contacting them first about it. If you're going to submit information like this (you or anyone else on the internet) you should first contact the person in question BEFORE posting this up asking permission, it's a violation of their rights of privacy (no matter how 'public' the information they gave out was) if you don't. For people to collect this information that like and post it without permission is just wrong in my opinion. Sorry if you don't agree, I'll contact seel about this and give her the links, thank you for your time.

:My own personal view on the particular content of this article is that while information about her views on her family might be considered personal enough to remove, things in this case such as her location are so generic that it would be quite hard to pinpoint. Without say a photograph of myself, it would be quite hard to find me even though I freely state [[User:Nidonocu|on my own page]] exactly what city I live in. Virginia is quite large so I have to disagree with you on that point that such information could be dangerous.
:On topic though, the debate of contacting people before writing about them I believe has been held before here and overall our [[WikiFur:Personal_information]] page detailed what the general outcome of those discussions were. It meant we'd actually have to go actively digging for contact details which often are far more guarded than general information about people. Those wishing to be invisible tend to be in the minority so we decided on the write first, clean up later method as its sort of the wiki way. :) It would be impossible to police all in coming edits to see if the person writing them had permission or was the person themselves.
:Either way, I hope this particular matter can be sorted out agreeably. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, to once again mention her DA journal, which btw -anyone- can see, not just DA members, she has mentioned where she lives. I totally understand having someone talk about person X "behind their back".
:however, I -only- included things that she has stated publically, just like you would if writing about any "public" figure. It was my understanding that the ''audience'' would be generally anthro/furry art fans, and that the generally public would actually be less likely to wander in the '''Furry''' Wiki than DeviantArt, which has many styles of art.
:Altho I can see being worried that some anti-furry group might consider it a gold mine...

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

There would be no need to actively dig around for details if the information wasn't posted to begin with :). If you didn't wish to be active with the person in question why would you bother posting personal information? I disagree with your method and this site as well but I also understand where you're coming from and respect your opinion. As it seems we have two highly different opinions though, it's really going to be useless to argue about this since I obviously can't change the way you feel nor shall you change my thoughts.
I also disagree with your philosphy on location and how easy it is to find someone just by the use of their state in coordination with their last name, but we will leave it at that.
You can understand though that I am only trying to look out for a very close friend while she cannot defend herself at the moment, I hope you don't take any of this as a personal attack.
I appreciate your informative responces to my questions and comments.

:The problem again is that we are ''freely-editable encyclopedia''. This means that anyone can edit for any reason at any time, we on purpose don't control that. A random person could find a new furry artist, pop on to Wikifur and create a stub about them (which I think is how this article was first created). This then snowballs as people look at the stub, find out more about a person and add little facts. Of course we understand the need to protect people, but everyone has a public and a private side and we aim to get the right balance inside the articles. Lets see how this goes anyway. ^_^ --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:If it came down to posting addresses, we'd probably draw the line there, unless they were posted by the person concerned. Ultimately we can't tell whether or not another person has permission to post particular items of information, or how the person concerned feels about that information being public, so we have to make best guesses as to what is reasonable information to post. We are generally liberal with those guesses, because we are an open community that it used to not hiding things away.

:We will usually respect the wishes of those that prefer to keep somewhat more private, once they are made clear to us in person. A few times people have asked us to hide things that we felt would entail an unreasonable expectation of privacy and we have refused, or granted their request only in part. This usually comes into play when they do something that is very public and negative which is "common knowledge", or when their name (and no alternate name) is associated with the creation of something like a comic. For example, it is rather silly to expect people to take your requests for privacy seriously when you are pirating the works of multiple furry fandom artists. This kind of situation is rare. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:OK, here the problem is... I take down everything "personal"... '''But''' since it aims to be a ''proper'' encyclopedia, I must reference sources... in this case her websites, where the information could be found and re-added anyway... remember, NOTHING we've said in private is here. That, though, is because I have standards (I just don't shut up sometimes), and as Nidonocu said, ''anyone'' can edit the article unless it is specially prevented.
:The step-mother bit is nothing we ever talked about; I only included it because I saw it in one of the journals and it sounded like one of those psychology things the History Channel likes to make shows around -cough-
:Obviously, since the Internet is so... f--ked up, I'll need to adhere to the strictest standard possible... like just saying "Seel is an artist, here's a gallery"... which is rather bland, but...

:Oh, and not saying f--k all the time. That might help.

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright :), I just have one question. Why create an encyclopedia for furry artists?

:Its not just furry artists, its everything furry. ;) Check out [[WikiFur:About#Purpose|this section about our purpose]] and the things that link off it. :) [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is|What WikiFur is]] and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not|What WikiFur is not]]. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah - artists are one part of the furry community, and so they are covered. I assume you got here from [[Bluefreak]]'s dA post? She just happened to link to the artists category, which is just a subcategory of [[:Category:People]]. Even that is just a fraction of the stuff that is on here about the furry fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:I decided to add artists that I thought are cool and should get publicity... tho for their art o.o; I just tried to say something about them to put the art in context, make them more than just a name :)

:Which I succeeded spectacularly at it seems D:

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 16:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-01T03:26:01Z

BennuTeomabar: /* Holy Crap */

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-07-01T03:06:03Z

BennuTeomabar:

meh

Sabarika

2006-06-28T05:17:43Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Sabarika''' is a furry artist from Kentucky, USA. She attends furry conventions when possible.

Her fursona is a husky-jackal hybrid.

== External Links ==
* [http://sabarika.deviantart.com/ Sabarika] on [[deviantART]]
* [http://www.spiralingdreams.com/ Her personal site]

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Kentucky]]

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-26T16:52:40Z

BennuTeomabar:

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-26T16:51:44Z

BennuTeomabar:

User talk:GreenReaper

2006-06-26T16:46:59Z

BennuTeomabar: Meep

{{User talk:GreenReaper/Header}}
== Hi you ... ==
Thanks for your welcome!
I only joined 'cause somebody made a wiki page about me ... and in some kind it was wrong. x_x;
So that's all.

--[[User:Meeko|Meeko]] 01:40, 25 Mai 2006 (UTC)

== Hi, GreenReaper ==

This is partly a test to see if I've got this editor figured out before I do anything important with it. I notice someone put in an entry for yours truly (in fact that's how I wandered in - I was checking old Other Suns links which led to Nicolai's entry which led to mine) which I may update later; at least I suppose the fact that I was Den Mother of ConFurence for years and am now holding that position in CaliFur is at interesting as anything already there. Also an excuse for putting in a few Ursa Major links inasmuch as I maintain the Recommended List.

Speaking of which, I got your note suggesting the addition of WikiFur to the Recommended Anthropomorphics list for this year - makes sense, though I'll have to discuss where to put it with the rest of the committee. We're currently counting nominations for this year's Ursa Major ballot.
--[[User:Yealurowluro|Yealurowluro]] 00:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:Glad you got my note! I wasn't entirely sure if I should suggest it myself, but I figured it's something that's worth reading. :-)

:It looks like you have the wiki editing figured out. Please do contribute to any articles you find lacking, and good luck figuring out those nominations. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 21:04, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

== Moving assistance. ==

Hey GreenReaper,

Thanks for the help moving the page for my listing. I was woundering if it should have been moved over as you did, but didn't have time IRL to send a message. The dire warning kinda steared me off. (I figured I would mess around with my own page before messing up some one elses =)

:No problem! A lot of people start off in the User: namespace, as that's where you would normally do it on (e.g.) Wikipedia.

Let me know if I'm misplacing anyother articles so we can keep the database as consistant as possable! (Or if you have any other suggestions)

:I'm sure I or another contributor will let you know should that be the case. :-)

I hope the format of the post is accaptable. I wrote the thing in third person as if I was writing about someone else. Thanks again - PG

:That was fine. Feel free to edit your User: page if you want to say something from first-person persepective in addition to that which is already there (but don't feel you have to - most people are just fine with what's on the page about them already). --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you for the kind welcome. Though I've been active on Wikipedia forever (and I'm admin there), I've only just discovered wikifur today. I'm happy to help out in any area that needs it, and I've already added stubs for [[Wild Life]] and [[Wildlifers]]! [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - Starblind 15:43, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

:Excellent . . . *scoops up some cover pics for those* --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 23:27, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

==View counts==
I've noticed that the view counts in [[:Special:Popularpages]] have not updated at least since last Thursday on several articles I've been following, even though I've viewed some of those articles myself during that time. I've verified this from two different computers and used a couple of other tricks to make reasonably certain it's not a browser cache issue. What gives?

Edit: There are also several hundred articles that currently show 0 views.
--[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 14:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. I had a chat with the admins and apparently they had to discontinue popular pages updating due to server loads. We can get the same sort of information from the google analytics stats, so it's no ''great'' loss, although it is a pity that people can't access that without talking to me first.

:As this makes the page rather useless, I've removed the link in the main page header and added in links to the article and user talk pages instead. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 16:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

== Re my WikiFur entry ==

Just noticed that you had stuck in an unwritten link from the Kay Shapero entry for the Anthropomorphic Literature and Arts Association. I had deliberately NOT put a link there, because the ALAA exists to produce the Recommended List and present the Ursa Major awards, both of which have links right after the reference. So I figured it would be superfluous. What do you think? I could probably write an entry, but it'd only be a couple of lines long and probably wouldn't contain much you can't find out from the other two links. --[[User:Yealurowluro|Yealurowluro]]

:(I'm not GR, but we never have a shortage of opinions around here! :-) Actually, even the small amount of information you mention would be useful, if only to define the parametes of the organization and to show that it is independent of any other organization out there (when I first saw mention of ALAA, I erroneously conflated it with [[AAE]], which is a different beastie entirely). ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 00:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

:That's basically why I put it in there (also because I rememebered it was linked in [[Ursa Major Awards]]). If you really don't think it should have an entry, take it out, but as Duncan mentions, [[Anthropomorphic Arts and Education]] seems to do well enough. It's a short page, but it gives a link to the organization, and as it is a separate page it can be put into [[:Category:Organizations]] which helps us keep a tab on all such organizations. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

==To Stub or Not to Stub?==
Is there a guideline as to when a short article (which just doesn't have much to say) doesn't need to be tagged as a stub? 1000 bytes, etc.? Wouldn't stop anyone from dropping in to make changes anyway. Just curious. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 23:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:I usually go by the rule of whether I feel there's anything that ought to be added (but that I'm not sure about or don't know or don't feel like putting in right now). -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 05:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:The general rule is "if there is probably something that could be added fairly easily by someone who doesn't know much about the topic" (say with a few minutes of google searching) then it is a stub. If not, then it is not a stub, although if you can describe it entirely in a couple of lines, it is probably a strong candidate for merging with another article. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

==Categorization?==
Thanks for the quick feedback! I was looking through WikiFur's [[:Help:Furry_Book_of_Style|style guide]] and had another question: Are there any guidelines on category order at the end of articles? I was going through alphabetically, but it might be helpful to define this in the style guide if there's a prefered order to doing this. --[[User:Frizzy|Frizzy]] 19:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

:Technically any order is fine. In practice, for articles about people I've tended to do People and then subcategories of People (note that we only do this category + subcategory thing with people so as to get a full listing in that category), and then their location and year of birth/death. In general I would put the most important or relevant category first, but that's just a personal style. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

::What you describe is what I've been doing, GreenReaper. I described it in some detail over at [[:Category_talk:Root]]. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 21:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

== Requesting page protection ==

How do I go about requesting my page to be locked so that only myself and administrators can edit it? --[[Banrai|Banrai]]

:You just did. I'm at work right now so I can't really look that closely to ensure it's appropriate, but I will later this evening.

:Be aware that "your page" is [[User:Banrai]]. [[Banrai]] is "the page about you". As such it is expected to be reasonably complete, and I do find it odd that there is no mention or reference to the actions mentioned in a certain LiveJournal entry that comes up when searching for your name. What's past is past, and it is important not to dwell on it, but it does deserve recording so that people understand how things ended up as they are today (and so we don't get complaints on the talk page from people who think things are being hidden). I will try and see about that tonight as well. I'm not a concerned party other than ensuring the accuracy of the article, and I don't particularly want to raise any drama about it, so fear not - it'll be brief.

:Oh, and just something I noticed glancing over the page - you only need to link to other articles the ''first'' time a linkable name comes up, not every time. It's assumed that people will already have clicked on the link if they want to go to it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::I added a small blurb about... that. But feel free to edit it as you see fit. It's a very personal preferance that the article itself not actually be linked, since it IS over and done, but.. yeah, you're the mod. I also went back in and fixed the massive-linking, so it looks a little cleaner now. ;3 --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:::I've not linked it. Instead, I spent a while reading various sources, then tried to give a summary of your actions, the context behind them - part of which was already evident in previous sections - and the response from others, without turning it into a duplicate of that post (or another [[Sibe]]). I think it says all that needs to be said about that without taking up too much of the article. If people really want to know more, I'm sure they can find out for themselves - but I suspect for most it is enough that they will not feel the need to do so.

:::As for your request, the article seems a good one as it stands. I will post a notice on the talk page, and unless there is significant dissent from the WikiFur community I will enable the page protection within a day or so. If at a later point you decide that you no longer want the page protected then any admin can help you remove it at request. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

== Repeated vandalism and blocking ==

I've just blocked an IP for what I now see is repeated vandalism. ([http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:70.180.173.165 Three incidents so far].)
Do we have an understood point where we block for longer periods, or infinitely? -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 03:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I would say go up by one category per repeated offense - hours, days, weeks, months, years (or forever). If all they do is vandalism feel free to skip a step. We're not Wikipedia, we've not really got time to deal with trouble again and again. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandal IPs found

69.210.142.84 and
68.202.53.196
They were found posting images of the vandalism in /b/

== Questions about Des Lee? ==

Hey there! Thought I'd drop a line and see if I could answer any questions you might have about Desiree. I set up a basic entry for her awhile ago, but I'd noticed you had a question or two concerning her on my page. Anyway, if I can be of assistance, let me know! Thanks!

:Note [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jim_Hardiman&curid=3935&diff=53558&oldid=50672 my recent edit] and comment on the [[Talk:Jim Hardiman|talk page]], but I'll carry over here and say that I think the question was about those quote-marks around "friend". -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 20:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yep, replied on the talk page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

== Edit patrols ==

It's about this time that I think bringing back the "patrol this edit" marker may be a good idea. It just has to be explained clearly: "These markers are for admin to make rounds of patrols through the various edits," and so forth. I'd also like to suggest a proxy banlist which is shared across Wikia. That way, once a proxy is confirmed, all wikis have the option of automatically banning it. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 06:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:I would support the creation of a shared proxy banlist with all of Wikia. Is there a feature for this currently in mediawiki or would it have to be added through some sort of module? -- [[User:DeVandalizer|DeVandalizer]] 06:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

:This might be a good idea. We are getting a lot of edits - certainly more than I manage to have the time to look at, let alone edit. We can probably try enabling it for a time.

:I think there is actually a proxy blacklist. We may be using a service, in which case it probably doesn't get everything. JasonR on the live chat would be the perosn to talk to about that (or he's available via technical at wikia dot com, or the wikia-l mailing list, or the wikia LiveJournal). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the Welcome! ==

I was figuring it would come at some point or another. Very much appreciated. :) [[User:Bastique|Bastique]] 13:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

== Database error on page move ==

I was attempting to move [[Art Show]] over its redirect [[Art show]] (note the caps - one is the name of a show, the other is a type), and I received this error:

:A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
::<tt>UPDATE `wikicities`.`gpage` SET page_namespace = '0',page_title = 'Art_show' WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Art_Show'</tt>
:from within function "<tt>Database::update</tt>". MySQL returned error "<tt>1062: Duplicate entry 'furry-0-Art_show' for key 2 (paris.wikia.com)</tt>".

Would you mind passing this on to the Wikia folks? Looks like the parser is missing the routine which checks for a page/redirect/whatever under the name being moved to. Thanks. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 10:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

== Hi Back. ==

This is a bit awkward, but I think this is the right way to do it. I'm looking over a variety of articles to see what I can add to. I lengthened Ken Fletcher's piece a little -- he deserves more, but it's hard to do him justice, even knowing him fairly well. (Ken is modest to the point of humility.) Kevin Duane's piece broke me up. I could add 10,000 words, but wouldn't know where to start. And do I want to make him out a clown, a villain, a well-intentioned schlemiel, or just a guy who got a lot of bad breaks? Then there was Steve Martin. Another perplexing case. I had to add a bit more detail to the "controversy" section, that put the customs debacle in a somewhat better light.

Ah... I wonder what other delights await? --[[User:Taral Wayne|Taral Wayne]]

:It can be hard. Pages [[Sibe|can and have]] been written about [[Banrai#Past disputes|past disputes]], but in the end the actual situation can usually be boiled down to just a few paragraphs written in a fairly dry tone. If in doubt, just add the facts, and try to make sure you don't leave out any facts in a way that could be viewed as biased by not giving reasonable coverage of all sides of the story. If you think you're up to writing a more lengthy piece, and you think it is appropriate for the article concerned, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|be bold]] and do so. Wikipedia has [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutrality|lots of advice]] on how to go about this.

:Whatever you do decide to add, thank you for taking the time to do so. WikiFur relies on the contributions of those who know the full history of events, and in many cases there are only a few people in the world who do. Hopefully this project will go some way towards ensuring that the history of the fandom doesn't fade away, as I think that would be a shame.

:Oh, and note that you can sign comments on talk pages with <nowiki>~~~~, or just ~~~</nowiki> if you want to do it without the date. There's no need to do so on the main article pages, as they're intended to be community work anyway (and a full history of contributions is kept in the history tab if it's required). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

::I think I'll just leave the Kevin Duane item as it is. While there's a hundred times more, it isn't really that important, and what's there is probably impartial enough. Though I doubt very much Kevin would own up to much on the negative side of the ledger.

::By the way, what would keep him from editing out everything he didn't like, and painting a glowing picture of himself?

:::Nothing. However, he'd probably find such edits mysteriously changed back a few minutes later. Some people around here tend to watch [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] like a hawk and can very quickly pick up on editors who are trying to modify history, especially their own. There are [[WikiFur:Personal information|established procedures]] for requesting the removal of certain items of personal information. Blanking or removing information without comment do not count, and won't have the desired effect. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hi, thanks for the welcome! I just have to say that I'm very impressed by the speed at which the articles are updated :)

--[[User:MrZebra|MrZebra]] 10:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

:Glad you like it! We aim to please. ;-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 10:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks for the assistance ==

Thank you for loading a higher-resolution picture for me. I appreciate that. And thanks for the welcome as well. :)

--[[Equestrian]]

== Asking your permission ==

Would it be okay with you to upload [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Taxidermy.gif this image] to wikifur? It is an animated gif of scenes from the CSI furry episode. It's 1.8MB so I'm obviously not going to risk spending the long time uploading it if it gets deleted and I'm hoping somebody else will do it. If that is not acceptable, would a link to it in the CSI article be allowed? There's no pressure if you don't agree with these. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 05:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:I probably wouldn't delete it. It is not the best pictoral representation of the whole show, though. The animation tells a story, but it is not the whole story about the show, just as the show does not tell the whole story about the fandom. Its [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Taxidermy purpose on ED] was to promote [[fursecution]] (to whit, the conversion of furries into trophies and rugs) and the selection of passages in the animation is limited to those supporting that argument. I believe that a small selection of screen captures from various points in the show added by use of the <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> tag (see [[The Forest]] for an example) might be a better addition to the article.

:Another thing to consider - if it takes you a long time to upload it, it will take a long time for many of our contributors to download it as well. 2Mb pages are not really a good idea. This suggests that a link to the animation would be more appropriate, with a note of the file size for those on modems. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::About size, I see so many websites designed where the only way you can view them is flash. I don't know what the deal with that. The real size getter is YTMNDs where each one is huge and often a copy of several other ones with just a tiny change. You know you're actually a pretty cool person (and probably same for others here) compared to the wikipedia furry community where any mention of furries that isn't in their "furries never yiff, or dress in custumes more than bunny ears, and all furries are heterosexual, and there are the same number of male and female furries" propoganda means a witchhunt and I think it's one of the reasons why encyclopedia dramatica has all the anti-furry stuff--and the site says somewhere it's the denial of some furry aspects that get them made fun of----that can be compared to how the site doesn't make fun of star wars / star trek nerds with more than a small amount. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 10:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Flash is not the most ideal system for web user interfaces (although it does have enviable compatability compared to things like JavaScript). I won't go so far as to say that Flash has no place. It is a good system for the delivery of multimedia content. We tend to link to that rather than host it, though. :-)

:::It is true that people are sometimes overly defensive. However, at the same time, some have good reason - there [http://forums.hatersonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=164 really are] "furry haters" for which it is a hobby to just go out there and spread the message that furries suck. Most of them don't actually ''know'' anything about the fandom, participate in any of the events, or contribute anything - they're just having fun putting other people down. I'm more than willing to accept criticism from people like [[Nothingkat]], who at least knows what he's talking about. And . . . well, I've not heard people make the above assertions before. I'm sure a lot of people say "not all furries yiff, not all dress up in fursuits, not all are gay and furries are not all male", but there's a big difference between that and utter denial.

:::As for Wikipedia, you have to remember that the purpose of their project (as ours) is to '''make an encyclopedia''', ''not'' to make fun of people. The [[Wikipedia:furry fandom|furry fandom]] article already has five whole paragraphs on sexual activities. I think that gives readers a fairly good idea of the extent of sexual content in the fandom. When you get [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_lifestyler&diff=prev&oldid=51228054 edits] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Furry_Wikipedians&diff=prev&oldid=51070460 like] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Furry_fandom&diff=prev&oldid=50860121 these], it is very easy to see why a lot of them get reverted.

:::ED would have furry stuff on it regardless, I am sure. After all, we already own [[LiveJournal]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks!==
Thank you for your barnstar award, I appreciate your recognition. I have found in recent weeks just how difficult it is to start a Wika, and it's always nice to have someone appreciate the work. While I still need to read up on the goals and concept of this Wiki, I'm a big comic book fan and can hopefully help with some new content. You can contact me at my [http://oc.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Xtreme680 talk page] at [http://oc.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The O.C. Wikia]. - [[User:Xtreme680|Xtreme680]] 09:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==My page got vandalized...==
Apparently it happened today even, suprisinly. Some user going by the name of Clambake....*sigh*. And it has to be somebody with access to aby.com or yiffstar.com, because that's the ONLY place I've posted the picture used with even a slight bit of public access. --[[User:lucashoal|lucashoal]] 3:40 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)
:I will say that the staff already reverted the edits made to your page. The image, though I have not seen it, was already deleted. ----[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 23:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed. [[User:DuncanDaHusky|Duncan]] was pretty quick on the ball!

::I find it odd that you were able to revert their work so quickly - according to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Luca_Shoal&curid=651&action=history the history], just four minutes passed between the picture being uploaded and your reversion. How did you know that they had posted the picture there? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I just decided to log in today to see if anyone had left me a note, or made any changes to my page. And seeing the picture, well... It was a matter of luck really. I know it seems....fishy, but I honestly had no way at all of knowing this edit had taken place.
:::As for the picture? It was a picture of me, not just Luca, but me in the real world. Specifically, it was one taken at a babyfur party, and in a pink dress.
:::Thank you though for everything ^^. [[User:Lucashoal|Lucashoal]] 9:03 PM, May 9 2006 (EST)

::::'''*grins*''' - well, you were fortunate, then. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting article on this whole problem in [http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/technology/17wiki.html The New York Times] (Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy) -- although the article is about "big" Wikipedia the principles and concerns probably still apply. --[[User:Auliya|Auliya]]

:Yes. We have the same features here, and have used them, though they too affect only a small proportion of our pages. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

== Transformation ==

I'm reasonably sure that [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Transformation&diff=prev&oldid=57531 this] is actually correct, if badly formatted and perhaps not completely relevant to this wiki. See [http://metamedia.stanford.edu/traumwerk/index.php/More%20Dragons%20in%20Northumbria here] for the rhyme. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:I did get a indeed get a positive hit for the rhyme, but Google turned up nothing relevant for Lanelet, Elidia, Zaikhoeven, or "Duncan Frasier" and "Robert Lambe". I tried several different spelling variants and still came up with nothing. Now, I'm willing to grant that Google is not actually the sum of ''all'' knowledge, but the lack of hits and the near-unreadability of the edit makes me suspicious. ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 18:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

::Duncan Frasier is cited as the author of the rhyme in the above link. Robert Lambe is likely to be [http://www.exploreberwick.co.uk/ArtsInBerwick/Legends/3_03.htm this guy].

::There does seem to be some confusion in online sources about who wrote the item and when it was written. Don't suppose you know any medieval historians? :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I've done some further research and I think I see the problem: it's written in the arcane and byzantine languange of ''academese'', a language I'm afraid I lost my fluency in years ago (and besides, I only ever spoke technical academese - I think it relates to Liberal Arts academese like Classical Latin to Vulgate Latin :-) I'll warrant that it was a valid edit, but written so impenetrably I would question its value. I've found a couple of useful links that might help; I'll probably poke at it a bit more tonight.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for fixing my first upload :D I just joined and I'm still trying to get used to it all. I hope I atleast put THIS post in the correct place.

:'''*grins*''' - yep, you just need to sign it! You can use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to do that (or <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> if you don't want to put the date). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

== Howloween Template ==

Are there any plans to create a Howloween convention template? Howloween is a convention held in British Columbia, during Late October : [http://www.howloween.org Howloween 2006 Website]

:If you want one, just copy the contents of any existing convention templates to [[Template:User Howloween]] and change accordingly, then create the appropriate category and make it a subcategory of [[:Category:Wikifurries]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you so much. I shall try that. ^_^ --{{UT|Seamora}}

== Terms with Multiple Definitions ==

What is commonly done with terms that have more than one definition? Do they have separate pages, and if so , how does one do this?--{{UT|Seamora}}

:Short answer - it depends! Long answer follows . . .

:If the terms are related, but with differing nuances, then you might discuss them on the same page. For example, [[yiff]] has many meanings, but they are all related to a reasonably close degree, so they are all described on the same page. In general, you can tell "reasonably close" by the categories - if separate meanings would all fall under the same category then you would probably discuss them together (except people, who always have different articles).

:Some terms have numerous unrelated meanings. In this case we divide it into separate pages with a qualifier in lowercase [unless a proper name] and inside parenthesis, and then create what is called a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Disambiguation|disambiguation page]] for people who link to the term without parentheses. The page should have the <tt><nowiki>{{disambig}}</nowiki></tt> tag at the bottom. If another topic has the name within it, and a shorterned form might conflict, it is given the full title but also included in the disambiguation page.

:You can see this at [[The Bestiary]], which links to [[The Bestiary (playing cards)]] and [[The Bestiary (comic)]] (which we know exists, just hasn't yet been written about) but also to ''[[The Bestiary's Terrie Smith Does Art Special]]''.

:We may also make an indented, italic link at the top of the pages if there is possible confusion or the other article is somehow relevant, something like this (for a person called "Delight"):

:<tt><nowiki>":''This article is about the [[:Category:People|person]]. For the chocolate bar, see <nowiki>[[Delight (chocolate bar)]].''</nowiki></tt> (or: <tt><nowiki>"There is also a [[Delight (chocolate)|chocolate bar called Delight]].")</nowiki></tt>

:In the case where one thing is clearly the more usual or "official" term, but there is another term that should have a different article, like [[skunk]] or [[Eurofurence]], then the general term is used without parentheses and the other term(s) have parentheses or are otherwise made different. We use the above method to link between them.

:In rare cases, it may also be appropriate to add a parentheses even if there is currently no article at the non-parentheses term. This is done where there might be confusion about what the article should be about. For example, ''[[Furre!]]'' has links to [[Persona Play (Furre!)]] and [[Roleplay (Furre!)]]. This is because the term Roleplay has a special meaning in the context of ''Furre!'', and so it should not link to the main [[role-playing]] article, which has a redirect from Roleplay. For consistency, Persona Play has the same qualifier, even though there is not likely to be another article called Persona Play as it is at term that is specific to Furcadia/Furre!.

:Deciding what to do in a particular case is sometimes tricky, but it is usually simple once you have done it a few times. Hope the above helps! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

Heya GreenReaper!!

The page looks great, hun! Thanks for editing it a bit for me! There are also more WikiFur pages about me including Xelaros and Spirit Creations. I see that you guys don't have a page up for Maned Wolves which I would like to create. Thanks for your help! Give me suggestions any time!

Inali Ke'aloha

== Maned wolf page up! ==

Heya, just wanted to let you know that I created a page about maned wolves since there wasn't one. It could use some editing, such as a contents box and the pictures off to the side. Thanks! --[[User:InaliKealoha|Inali]]

:Well, it looks like you figured all that out! I moved it to [[Maned Wolf]] because it is a proper name of a species. The contents box will automatically appear if you have four headers in the article. If you do not (or to move it), you can make it appear by adding <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> wherever you want. I sometimes put this inside a div tag that is set to float to the right. You can also hide it with <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki>.

:One question ''I'' have, though - do you have permission from the people who made those pictures to put them on this site? While I appreciate that you wish to improve the articles, it is not enough to just state who owns the copyright of an image - if you do not have explicit permission (either by having asked them or through a blanket license or copyright wavier), we cannot display the images. That's what copyright means, after all . . . the right to make copies. Both the [http://www.arkgallery.org/ Ark Gallery] and Kenneth W. Fink/Root Resources sources appear to be non-free in this respect (indeed, the Ark Gallery seems to have a specific note at the bottom saying that images are not for reproduction elsewhere).

:Oh, and one last thing - on talk pages, it's easier to know who's talking if you sign your name at the end. You can do this by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, or just <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> to do so without adding the date and time. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I will email them and ask permission. If I can't get it from them, I'll ask some others until I get written permission. Where do I post that I have written permission when I get it? Thanks!

[[User:InaliKealoha|InaliKealoha]] 05:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:You should put the permission on the image information page, the one that comes up when you click on the image. You can edit it just like any other page. If you fail to gain permission for those images, let myself or another administrator know, and we will delete it from the WikiFur image store. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 14:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::I very strongly feel that we should delete the images; they can be uploaded again if permission is given. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 16:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Then do so. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

::::Done. Thanks for the confirmation. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 23:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

== hi ==

"Girl's amateur use of makeup by applying too much and her voice make are evidence she is a teenager below the age of eighteen." That wasn't meant as personal, though. It was more a Sherlock Holmes style detective work. I just want to be clear it was not my intention. I probably wrote it wrong. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 14:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:It just seemed . . . well, like something you'd post on LiveJournal rather than in an encyclopedia, in much the same way as you get anti-furries taking pictures of fat people at cons and going "hey, look, aren't furries fat!" - maybe that wasn't your intention, but it was the vibe I got from your words. Her ''own'' words make her look bad enough as it is without pointing out her use of makeup.

:A secondary consideration is that page is intended to be just a list of links rather than an in-depth discussion of them. If you really want to write up the details (which would probably include details from both videos), you could make an article on it and then link to it, as with the other articles linked from the media links page. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:: Hmmm... you have an odd idea of copying the threads of talk and putting it on both talk pages. Well back to the topic, I also forgot the eyebrows were unplucked (I just wanted to write that down somewhere) as giving evidence that she was a minor. I think I'll put likely minor in the article. Umm.. I don't know if it's worthy of an article itself. It mostly is just a webcam video and then speaking of the vanity fair article. It would be different if it went through the things produced by actual furries, like her reaction to furry pornography art, but I think the video looks like little effort was put into it, and the humor was mostly the behavior of the girl herself. Encyclopedia Dramatica and some of the TV spots for instance do put some effort into their work. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::I can just see that sequel: "Valley Girl, Furry Porn". Nuts and berries, indeed!

:::I actually think there's an opportunity to do a ''good'' video on furries and put it up there. The question would be whether or not anyone would go around with a videocamera at (say) Anthrocon and film it, and whether or not people would agree to its distribution. Maybe if it was done by someone already respected in the community.

::::Speaking for Anthrocon, I can tell you that our [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct Rules of Conduct] prohibit "broadcasting" of any video taken at the convention, which includes posting it online. --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::. . . without permission. I was thinking of one that would be done with permission. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::Based on my experience, furries at cons get very nervous when there is a camera rolling, due to past bad experiences. I wouldn't recommend holding your breath on getting permission to broadcast anything that's filmed. :-/ --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Alas! On that general topic, it might be nice to do some kind of "WikiFur Documentary" thing. Maybe we could start with topics like "acting out in [[fursuit]]" or "making your first [[tail]]" and work up to tricky topics like "attending a furry convention". :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Do you mean having documentation here on WikiFur, or elsewhere? If it's here on WikiFur, would such an article still be considered "encyclopedic"? --[[User:Dmuth|Giza]] 21:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I believe that there is certainly room on WikiFur for material that is created by a particular person or group of people, something like "RandomVulpine's guide to making furry feet". Some use their own websites for such material, but if people want to put them up on WikiFur then I think we should be open to that. These should naturally be clearly tagged with a template similar to the current [[:Template:personal-article|personal articles]] one, and should be placed in the User: namespace, or possibly a separate namespace designed for the purpose - Tutorial:, say. They could be linked to from regular articles, though it might be good to make a separately-headed section for them to separate them from the regular links that you'd get in ''See also''.

:::I tend to copy talk because it's easier for other people to follow that way. I also archive my talk now and then, which makes it harder for people trying to follow the other side of conversation. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Off subject, when the game Spore comes out (a design evolution), I expect it may have something for furry gaming. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 15:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I agree, though [[Second Life]] seems to have grabbing most of the virtual furry world for now. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Testing... ==

I notice one or two articles about me and my comics say they need improving. My question is this: How much is too much? I'd like to do my part without overdoing it, ya know?

:--[[User:GraveyardGreg|Graveyard Greg]]

:It's hard to do too much. I guess if you found yourself stretching for something to say, then it might be time to stop. Of course, I have a [[GreenReaper|fairly short article]], but then I don't have much to say about myself, as I've not had a long history in the furry fandom. [[Somewolf]] has a rather longer one. Certainly, comics can be and have been covered in significant depth. The ''[[Gaming Guardians]]'' article is a good idea of the minimum length that gives a good coverage of the key aspects of the topic, enough that it was featured, but it would certainly be possible to add to it without compromising that.

:It is possible to go much farther, of course. For example, Wikipedia has a very extensive article on ''[[Wikipedia:Kevin and Kell|Kevin and Kell]]''. That would be unusual to see here (probably the closest is ''[[Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures]]'', and the plot is hardly covered there), but if people want to go that far on just about any topic it is welcome. We have many relatively short articles through happenstance, not choice. It's not like we're going to run out of paper, after all. :-)

:The perfect article tells people everything they want to know about a topic. For some topics, this can be a lot. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

== Species and characters categories ==

I think all of us will agree that having subcategories for species, and for characters of those species, is a good thing, up to a certain point. But I'm concerned that we may be getting a little carried away with it. Perhaps we're not to the point yet where we've overdone it and need to backpedal on some of the categories that have been created, but I think we're getting close to that point in some areas, and that it would be a good idea to stop and think about how far we want to go with this.

What do the rest of you think? More species/character categories, or is it time to rein it in? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 21:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I like to think of it as setting the framework for future growth. Although if we start using Latin names, then I think we've gone too far. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 22:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:I look at it this way: If I'm a casual reader and I'm interested in, let's say, wolf characters. I click on the Wolf characters category and I see a whole bunch of names, plus (in this instance) sub-categories for Artic Wolf characters, Werewolves, and Wolf-Hybrid characters. Am I going to click on the subcategories to find the one or two listings beneath each entry, or ignore them and use the large main list? From a usability standpoint, I'm not sure I see the usefulness of breaking things down to the point where it's only two or three entries in a category.----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 11:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

== Hiya! ==

Hey there! Thanks for the warm greet. I didn't exactly get to finish last night due to work issues, AND the fact I wasn't completely sure what I was doing (lol) Looks like someone was kind enough to get the basics started for me anyway :-)

As I learn a little more, I'd really like to be more active in the Wiki community so hopefully you'll see a little more of me ;-)

Regards
-=Wulfsige=-

==Thanks!==
Thanks man, this is the best Wiki EVER! - MegaKitsune

== Reply ==

' I guess you found your way here from the creatures wiki'

Sort of, pretty long story. I think I found them both at relatively the same time, when I started using wikipedia.

Thanks for the friendly welcomes! --[[User:Listeel|Listeel]] 14:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Edit buttons ==

How do you set up an edit button like Wikifur and the Creatures wiki have? I'm also a member at the Sporewiki and want to contribute a button like that for them {{Unsigned|Listeel}}

:Check out the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] page, in particular the section starting:

:''/* Create more space to top and left of the section Edit links and put norn in it */''

:If you copy this and adjust it for your wiki (you will need to change the URL to match the URL of an image uploaded at your wiki or somewhere else) then it should work. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== Infobox question ==

I've been trying to make an Infobox for [[A Fox in the Works]] page with little luck, something like what Wikipedia has for TV series (ie [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5]]. I'm really don't know what I'm doing, and it's something that would probably work better as a template so it can be used for comics and other furry story series.

I can't find any help on making an infobox like this, and what I try to do comes up more then a bit fragged. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Fox Cutter|Fox Cutter]] 05:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Probably the best place to start is [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox|Wikipedia's sample infobox template]], which is relatively simple as they go. The one you mentioned, [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Television|Template:Infobox Television]] is indeed hideously complex, in part because it relies on expressions (which are not yet available at Wikia, so it will give hideously mangled results).

:Start simple. Just copy the template to a blank Template: page here (perhaps [[Template:Infobox]]!), and then try it out on a page. Try modifying various things, trying it out in the preview. Have a look at [[Wikipedia:Help:Template|Wikipedia's template help]]. It is not, unfortunately, very clear, but it starts off with some useful information. Our [[WikiFur:Templates|templates section]] has various ones that definitely work here, which you could copy from as well. If you get stuck, ask for help on a discussion page, saying what you want it to do, and someone will probably lend a hand (and if not, prod me :-). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

== Wikipedia.org Extinctioners page being considered for deletion ==

I'm so upset right now because my Extinctioners page at Wikipedia.org is being considered for deletion, if I try and update the one here, will it also be deleted, please let me know in my talk(if it works) --[[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]]

:On the contrary, we would be glad to have your contributions, as long as the copyright status of the images is satisfactory (either GFDL or another open form of licensing, or permission for use on WikiFur). As you can see on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Extinctioners|Wikipedia's deletion proposal]], their reasoning is that ''[[Extinctioners]]'' is not sufficiently notable in the general world for an article. WikiFur is all about the furry fandom, so that's not applicable here. Just remember that as with Wikipedia articles are community efforts - after all, you copied the initial article from here - and you should do fine. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

== Cleanup? ==

Well, I've finished both the Extinctioners page and the individual character pages but some of them have a clean up not at the top, how can you clean up what little (in some cases) is there? --[[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]]

:Perhaps they were referring to the manner in which the text was phrased? For example, it might have been written in first-person, when third-person is more appropriate for an encyclopedia. It might also be that formatting was non-standard or that the article was not correctly categorized (we really need to get specific templates for these, right now cleanup is used for everything). You can always ask the person who put the tag on the article what their precise reasoning was. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Horizontal or vertical? ==

Hey listen, I'm not being a prud but someone named Dmuth has edited some of my character section (I'm not reporting the editing itself) but he caused the multiple pics the stack ontop each other in the right hand side of the screen, I've fixed mos of them, you can see the original ones he did in the jistory section, please let me know what you think of the matter, alright, thank you. --[[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]]

:I personally think they look better side by side ''in that particular case''. Those pictures happen to be particularly tall, and the fact that there is little text to go with it means that a better use of the space is to have them in a row. Most WikiFur articles have a lot more text in relation to the numbers of pictures, which is why the convention is to have them at the side, or in a combination of side pictures and a gallery as you can see in [[The Forest]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Andorozon pics ==

The Creator of the Andorozon comics has sent me an e-mail giving me permission to use his picsm how do I forward you the e-mail to get the pics licenced, the pics up already were drawn by Shawntae Howard and were licenced but Ken Singshow is going to send his own pics, what do I do? --[[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]]

:I would suggest that you just attach a copy of the email giving permission to the [[Talk:Andorozon|discussion page]] of the [[Andorozon]] article. That way everyone who looks at the article. You could also add a note on the image upload description that links to that page (something like <nowiki>[[Talk:Andorozon|permission information]]</nowiki>).

:Also, when writing messages on talk pages please sign your name by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end so we know who's talking and so who to reply to. It's possible to find that information out by looking at the edit history, but it's a lot easier if it's right there. Thanks! :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Heya. I've noticed that the text of Maxwell Manx (Copy Cat) looks to have come from http://www.geocities.com/extinctioners/profile_copycat.html and I assume that's similarly the case for at least some of the other character articles. Could you clarify that for me? I gather we have permission to use the character images here, but I don't remember reference to text descriptions, and I'm ever anxious about copyright concerns. -- Sine 00:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but believe me, I have been given permission from Shawntae Howard himself to use both his pics and text in this and other related articles pertaining to Extinctioners, listen could you give me your e-mail address so I can forward his e-mail of him giving permission or should I talk about this with GreenReaper what should I do?RVDDP2501 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest copying the e-mail to the talk page of the Extinctioners article; I've seen similar things here previously. You could certainly check with GreenReaper to confirm the procedure.
It's great that we have all this Extinctioners material to work with, and that you've been so active with it. -- Sine 02:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

(forgive me if you have already said something on this matter, my memory isn't al that good) so EXACTLY what must I do?

:All we need on the talk page (or on the Licensing section of the image pages) is something to show that a) you have asked to use the author's copyrighted works, on this website or on Wikipedia (which has similar requirements) and b) that he has said yes. This would probably be your initial request to him, and his reply. This should not a general agreement that you can write a wiki page about the topic (you could do that without asking), but something that makes it clear that you intend to use some related parts of his copyrighted works in the pages - as you say, "both his pics and text". That is the thing that requires permission, because it is his right to allow copies of his work on this site (or not to allow them, as he sees fit).

:If you have previously asked for specific permission to use parts of his works rather than just writing ''about'' them, then that's fine - just put a copy of that on the page. If not, you should do so. You could point him to the wiki pages that have already been written (including some of the pictures) and ask him if that kind of use is OK. You could also invite him to look at the [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Copyrights copyrights page], and/or to contact us directly if he has questions. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Forum ==

Good timezone. The [[Forum:Index|forums]] are all set up and ready to go. Let me know if you want help changing anything. I added a [[Help:Forums|help page]] but it's a bit basic at the moment, because I'm still figuring out how things work and what we need to know! It will be good to see how it goes. Later -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[Wikia:User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

==Hey, man==

Thanks for the welcome and comments. I got tagged for cleanup for my article, but I'm not exactly sure where I should start looking to clean it up. Any thoughts? --[[User:Réizàr]]

:You'd have to ask [[User:DuncanDaHusky]] about that, since he tagged it. However, this passage does spring to mind as one example:

::''His most noticeable feature is the moon-and-star tattoo on the back of his left hand, but when asked for a meaning, the most one can expect of the enigmatic weretiger is a sliht shrug, not out of rudeness, but because he has yet to find an actual meaning for it beyond something he drew one day in a fit of boredom.''

:It's an encyclopedia article, not a MUCK character description. It could just as easily be something like "His most noticeable feature is the moon-and-star tattoo on the back of his left hand, which has no inherent meaning." There's no call to be mysterious about it. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

::Ah, okay. Odd though; that's been there for a while, and I was referring to myself IRL. I'll look it over though, and think of a way to simplify it. Thanks.
--[[Réizàr]]

:::That's just an example of something that popped out at me. He might have been looking at at something else. Given the size of WikiFur, not all people will have read all articles, and so they may come across something that they disagree with that they'd also have disagreed with beforehand. They may also have a threshold before they actually do something about it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, it's pretty big here. I'll skim over it a few more times and ask Duncan what else he thinks needs to be cleaned up. One of these days I'll get it right. Hah.

== Furpile ==

I've noticed that sometimes the [[WikiFur:Furpile|Furpile]] link goes unupdated, so I've been choosing articles for it. Essentially I've been clicking "Random page" until something suitable turns up. I'm only trying to keep it from going empty, so I won't update it further than a day ahead. So if you want to nominate things you still can. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 04:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks! As noted on the page, you can choose as many as you like at once, as long as you don't repeat stuff that's coming up or was recently requested. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks from the newbie ==
I just want to say thanks for correcting my spelling errors and welcoming me on my first page. Very appriciated! ~[[Kuzzy]]

== Galciv ==

I asked you some questions on that wiki. I don't know if you check it often, so I will note it here. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 13:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm you are faster on checking encyclopedia dramatica than here. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 22:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:Patience. I get watchlist emails everywhere, I just sometimes don't get around to pressing "Save page" until I have had time to give a proper response. It's only just past breakfast here. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 22:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Hmm watchlists can send emails. [[User:SleepAtWork|SleepAtWork]] 23:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Watchlists can do everything! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 04:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== Flyers ==

I forgot your room number already. But I trust that you found my note about the flyers in the meetup page. I even tried looking for you for an hour. That was rather fun. Spot the norn in the furpile. And without a cell number, I couldn't directly contact you.

Anyway. See you at the meetup! ----[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 07:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

:Don't have a cell phone! But yes, we did indeed meetup, so that was OK. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

== Recent Changes Error? ==

Recent changes has the following line in it: "Below are the last 50 changes in the last 7 days, as of $3." I don't think the $3 is intentional, is it? [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]]

:No, you're right - there's been something up with recent changes since the most recent upgrade. There's a bug filed for it on Wikia, it's just rather low-priority right now, especially since it's probably something that will have to be fixed in the main MediaWiki source code tree anyway. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

== Brillliant Right! ==

http://www.truechristian.com/furriesa.html
Interesting! Just wanted to see what you guys think.

:It's good to see such an authoritative and popular site covering the topic! Shame about the colour scheme, but eh, what can you do? --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 17:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

::How much of that site did you look at? Not exactly the most flattering portayal of furries. If anything, I'm glad they chose a color scheme that makes it look like an amateur rant. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I was being sarcastic. :-) I guess I should have included the ;-) . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Hmm, okay. My bad. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 19:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

== Hello! ==

Thanks for the warm welcome! ^-^ I thought this was the best way to display our music to the furry community! I'll be sure to ask you if i need help.
Thanks again,
Ether

== Extinctioners at Answers.com ==

Hey GreenReaper, RVDDP2501 here, I just found an Extinctioners page (flawed) at Answer.com I told them about the problems and changes they could make, it looks like an original version I had at wikipedia.org (I guess they hadn't checked for updated versions) I also told them about Wikifurs version, they haven't replied yet, so what do you think - http://www.answers.com/topic/extinctioners, I mean I can't believe how my pages are spreading, you know. - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 19:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

:They are apt to taking the contents of Wikipedia, aren't they? They do that for a lot of other articles as well - it is an automated system. I doubt they will add WikiFur to their list, though it's always a possibility. They will probably update from Wikipedia over the next few months. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

yeah, your probably right, anyways if you have any ideas, suggestion, etc. about making the page(s) better, please let me know, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 20:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the great welcome. If there is anything that I can do to help, feel free to ask.

~Nevar

== regards ==

Ghear maidth agus :)
thank you for the welcome. I, too, joined since someone created a wiki of me and my fiance. I figured I needed to correct our wikis and make them as unbiased as possible.

== Hi. ==

Thanks for welcoming me. I myself am a [[wizard]] at [[Frontier Galaxy MUCK]] so I figured if nothing else, it'd be my duty to correct that '''that''' little entry. Though I'm blindly stumbling through Wiki's system presently, glad I'm only editing and not adding articles, need to read a bit more before I try something like that. (And I would if I didn't have homework for a test, heh!) --[[User:Autolycus|Autolycus]]

:Well, it's great that you had the time to fix it up - and should you find any more later, feel free to try your hand at making articles yourself. If it looks like you need help I'm sure one of our regular contributors will step in and lend a hand. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== Extinctioners improvement ==

Hey GreenReaper, thanks a whole lot with the list improvement, seriously, thanks, if there is any other ideas on how to make the page(s) better, by all mean, do what you think is right. - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:Of course. In this case I just thought it could be a little more compact before I linked it as our comic of the week. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"comic of the week"? really!, this is just about the comic or the page as well? I don't quite fully understand what you mean? please let me know, thanks - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:Look at the bottom left of the front page. Our comics of the week can be based on various criteria, but in this case I featured it because of the extensive coverage on WikiFur. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

oh, ok, I see it, sorry about that, listen I wanna ask you opinion and/or permission on something, I was planning on creating a page for a Extinctioners character called Krystin [http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/26978911/ deviantart.com] but I was not sure if you and/or Wikifur would approve of the pic of the character which IS a bit mature, I did an edit though in which I put a black back covering the "chest area", do you want me to upload the censored pic without making the caracter page for you to look at and decide as to whether or not it would be appropriate to make the page with the pic? - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 02:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:Go ahead and upload the original, if it is appropriate for the character. [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not#WikiFur is not censored for the protection of minors|WikiFur is not censored for minors]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I just uploaded the pic of Krystin, the pic name is [[:Image:Extinctioners_cast_Krystin.jpg]], please let me know what you think and if I should go ahead with this character's page, thank you - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:Seems reasonable enough. Go for it! --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 03:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I though I would do the right thing and discuss this with you first about the pic before I did something that would be disapproved of by you and others at wikifur, I do not like to make mistakes, ok - [[User:RVDDP2501|RVDDP2501]] 03:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

== (sic) ==

oh, my bad, man. i didn't know. thanks for telling me :) by the way, that article, [[Wolfie]], isn't about me.
[[User:Wolfie|Wolfie]] 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

== Meep ==

So, uh, I like, decided to add stuff cuz people I knew/knew of weren't on here, and uh.... seems they think I put too much D8

I -was- careful to put only stuff I knew was publically visible, and I did add a bit more than I thought was needed, cuz I thought anyone concerned with privacy, like say other wiki contributors, would be like "Hmm maybe you should delete that" 
instead of suddenly "OMG stalkers! everywhere! nuuuuu!" o.o;
This really upset me cuz they're people I interact with at least on occasion, and I value their opinion, so having them think I'm crazy(er)... 
I didn't tell anyone cuz I wanted a "professional" distance, if they knew I was doing it... well, "the observer changes the observed".

And honestly, I didnt -try- that hard, maybe an hour on each person... after all it's '''wiki''' and can be edited later...
and I was mostly tryin to just sketch their persona since it's in their ART so much y'know ._.

Anyway I explained myself some on [[Talk:Seel Dingo|Seel's talk page]], because I want to make everyone as happy as possible.

PS- I'd be willing to have anything I do "depersonalized" but won't do it myself if it makes it look like I'm just covering my ass. Of course, yeah, it's a wiki and past changes can be viewed...

--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 16:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Seel

2006-06-26T16:34:14Z

BennuTeomabar:

Yeah, did you ever stop to think that maybe Seel doesn't want her personal info online? Personally as one of her close friends I find it rather creepy, it's a major invasion of personal space.

:As a wiki that documents members and people of the furry fandom, we write about what ever publically avalible information exists about the person and any other personal details they wish to provide if they so choose. If the information exists here then it must of already been avalible in a public place just as a public LiveJournal post by them or their website, etc.

:We do of course understand that some people don't want to be written about, and that is why we have our [[WikiFur:Policies_and_guidelines#Exclusion_of_information|exclusion of information policy]], however this policy can only be activated by the exact person in question. They themselves will need to contact a member of the WikiFur [[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] or leave a note here requesting the article be removed or locked to their control depending.

:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Oh f--k... they're pissed at ME.
:I'm not "close" to Seel, but I have done art for her and talked to her on occasion, and there's nothing here that's not on DeviantArt or her other galleries; for example, in one some of her DA journals she mentioned her dad and moving, but I can see now how it is jarring to find someone has bothered to... umm... encyclopedia-ize a living person's life.
:I do think it would be better practice to simply sketch a person's bare details (name they sign works with) and focus more on the art (or whatever they are known for) until it has been considered "sufficiently", preferably by being previewed ^^;
:I shall follow such a practice when contributing further to prevent such unsettlements. However, I will leave what I have added as-is, as public reference for this discussion, to be as candid as possible.
:Please note I am withholding my DA URL until I know I won't get flamed... because I'm paranoid now that I've remembered I'm on the internet too ;3

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I understand what you mean by the public information but for it all to be collected in one specific area is rather dangerous to the person in question's safety (such as her location). My personal opinion about this site is that it gives out information about someone without contacting them first about it. If you're going to submit information like this (you or anyone else on the internet) you should first contact the person in question BEFORE posting this up asking permission, it's a violation of their rights of privacy (no matter how 'public' the information they gave out was) if you don't. For people to collect this information that like and post it without permission is just wrong in my opinion. Sorry if you don't agree, I'll contact seel about this and give her the links, thank you for your time.

:My own personal view on the particular content of this article is that while information about her views on her family might be considered personal enough to remove, things in this case such as her location are so generic that it would be quite hard to pinpoint. Without say a photograph of myself, it would be quite hard to find me even though I freely state [[User:Nidonocu|on my own page]] exactly what city I live in. Virginia is quite large so I have to disagree with you on that point that such information could be dangerous.
:On topic though, the debate of contacting people before writing about them I believe has been held before here and overall our [[WikiFur:Personal_information]] page detailed what the general outcome of those discussions were. It meant we'd actually have to go actively digging for contact details which often are far more guarded than general information about people. Those wishing to be invisible tend to be in the minority so we decided on the write first, clean up later method as its sort of the wiki way. :) It would be impossible to police all in coming edits to see if the person writing them had permission or was the person themselves.
:Either way, I hope this particular matter can be sorted out agreeably. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, to once again mention her DA journal, which btw -anyone- can see, not just DA members, she has mentioned where she lives. I totally understand having someone talk about person X "behind their back".
:however, I -only- included things that she has stated publically, just like you would if writing about any "public" figure. It was my understanding that the ''audience'' would be generally anthro/furry art fans, and that the generally public would actually be less likely to wander in the '''Furry''' Wiki than DeviantArt, which has many styles of art.
:Altho I can see being worried that some anti-furry group might consider it a gold mine...

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

There would be no need to actively dig around for details if the information wasn't posted to begin with :). If you didn't wish to be active with the person in question why would you bother posting personal information? I disagree with your method and this site as well but I also understand where you're coming from and respect your opinion. As it seems we have two highly different opinions though, it's really going to be useless to argue about this since I obviously can't change the way you feel nor shall you change my thoughts.
I also disagree with your philosphy on location and how easy it is to find someone just by the use of their state in coordination with their last name, but we will leave it at that.
You can understand though that I am only trying to look out for a very close friend while she cannot defend herself at the moment, I hope you don't take any of this as a personal attack.
I appreciate your informative responces to my questions and comments.

:The problem again is that we are ''freely-editable encyclopedia''. This means that anyone can edit for any reason at any time, we on purpose don't control that. A random person could find a new furry artist, pop on to Wikifur and create a stub about them (which I think is how this article was first created). This then snowballs as people look at the stub, find out more about a person and add little facts. Of course we understand the need to protect people, but everyone has a public and a private side and we aim to get the right balance inside the articles. Lets see how this goes anyway. ^_^ --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:If it came down to posting addresses, we'd probably draw the line there, unless they were posted by the person concerned. Ultimately we can't tell whether or not another person has permission to post particular items of information, or how the person concerned feels about that information being public, so we have to make best guesses as to what is reasonable information to post. We are generally liberal with those guesses, because we are an open community that it used to not hiding things away.

:We will usually respect the wishes of those that prefer to keep somewhat more private, once they are made clear to us in person. A few times people have asked us to hide things that we felt would entail an unreasonable expectation of privacy and we have refused, or granted their request only in part. This usually comes into play when they do something that is very public and negative which is "common knowledge", or when their name (and no alternate name) is associated with the creation of something like a comic. For example, it is rather silly to expect people to take your requests for privacy seriously when you are pirating the works of multiple furry fandom artists. This kind of situation is rare. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:OK, here the problem is... I take down everything "personal"... '''But''' since it aims to be a ''proper'' encyclopedia, I must reference sources... in this case her websites, where the information could be found and re-added anyway... remember, NOTHING we've said in private is here. That, though, is because I have standards (I just don't shut up sometimes), and as Nidonocu said, ''anyone'' can edit the article unless it is specially prevented.
:The step-mother bit is nothing we ever talked about; I only included it because I saw it in one of the journals and it sounded like one of those psychology things the History Channel likes to make shows around -cough-
:Obviously, since the Internet is so... f--ked up, I'll need to adhere to the strictest standard possible... like just saying "Seel is an artist, here's a gallery"... which is rather bland, but...

:Oh, and not saying f--k all the time. That might help.

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright :), I just have one question. Why create an encyclopedia for furry artists?

:Its not just furry artists, its everything furry. ;) Check out [[WikiFur:About#Purpose|this section about our purpose]] and the things that link off it. :) [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is|What WikiFur is]] and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not|What WikiFur is not]]. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah - artists are one part of the furry community, and so they are covered. I assume you got here from [[Bluefreak]]'s dA post? She just happened to link to the artists category, which is just a subcategory of [[:Category:People]]. Even that is just a fraction of the stuff that is on here about the furry fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:I decided to add artists that I thought are cool and should get publicity... tho for their art o.o; I just tried to say something about them to put the art in context, make them more than just a name :)

:Which I succeeded spectacularly at it seems D:

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 16:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-26T16:14:30Z

BennuTeomabar:

Talk:Seel

2006-06-26T03:11:35Z

BennuTeomabar:

Yeah, did you ever stop to think that maybe Seel doesn't want her personal info online? Personally as one of her close friends I find it rather creepy, it's a major invasion of personal space.

:As a wiki that documents members and people of the furry fandom, we write about what ever publically avalible information exists about the person and any other personal details they wish to provide if they so choose. If the information exists here then it must of already been avalible in a public place just as a public LiveJournal post by them or their website, etc.

:We do of course understand that some people don't want to be written about, and that is why we have our [[WikiFur:Policies_and_guidelines#Exclusion_of_information|exclusion of information policy]], however this policy can only be activated by the exact person in question. They themselves will need to contact a member of the WikiFur [[WikiFur:Administrators|Administrators]] or leave a note here requesting the article be removed or locked to their control depending.

:--[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Oh f--k... they're pissed at ME.
:I'm not "close" to Seel, but I have done art for her and talked to her on occasion, and there's nothing here that's not on DeviantArt or her other galleries; for example, in one some of her DA journals she mentioned her dad and moving, but I can see now how it is jarring to find someone has bothered to... umm... encyclopedia-ize a living person's life.
:I do think it would be better practice to simply sketch a person's bare details (name they sign works with) and focus more on the art (or whatever they are known for) until it has been considered "sufficiently", preferably by being previewed ^^;
:I shall follow such a practice when contributing further to prevent such unsettlements. However, I will leave what I have added as-is, as public reference for this discussion, to be as candid as possible.
:Please note I am withholding my DA URL until I know I won't get flamed... because I'm paranoid now that I've remembered I'm on the internet too ;3

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I understand what you mean by the public information but for it all to be collected in one specific area is rather dangerous to the person in question's safety (such as her location). My personal opinion about this site is that it gives out information about someone without contacting them first about it. If you're going to submit information like this (you or anyone else on the internet) you should first contact the person in question BEFORE posting this up asking permission, it's a violation of their rights of privacy (no matter how 'public' the information they gave out was) if you don't. For people to collect this information that like and post it without permission is just wrong in my opinion. Sorry if you don't agree, I'll contact seel about this and give her the links, thank you for your time.

:My own personal view on the particular content of this article is that while information about her views on her family might be considered personal enough to remove, things in this case such as her location are so generic that it would be quite hard to pinpoint. Without say a photograph of myself, it would be quite hard to find me even though I freely state [[User:Nidonocu|on my own page]] exactly what city I live in. Virginia is quite large so I have to disagree with you on that point that such information could be dangerous.
:On topic though, the debate of contacting people before writing about them I believe has been held before here and overall our [[WikiFur:Personal_information]] page detailed what the general outcome of those discussions were. It meant we'd actually have to go actively digging for contact details which often are far more guarded than general information about people. Those wishing to be invisible tend to be in the minority so we decided on the write first, clean up later method as its sort of the wiki way. :) It would be impossible to police all in coming edits to see if the person writing them had permission or was the person themselves.
:Either way, I hope this particular matter can be sorted out agreeably. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 20:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, to once again mention her DA journal, which btw -anyone- can see, not just DA members, she has mentioned where she lives. I totally understand having someone talk about person X "behind their back".
:however, I -only- included things that she has stated publically, just like you would if writing about any "public" figure. It was my understanding that the ''audience'' would be generally anthro/furry art fans, and that the generally public would actually be less likely to wander in the '''Furry''' Wiki than DeviantArt, which has many styles of art.
:Altho I can see being worried that some anti-furry group might consider it a gold mine...

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

There would be no need to actively dig around for details if the information wasn't posted to begin with :). If you didn't wish to be active with the person in question why would you bother posting personal information? I disagree with your method and this site as well but I also understand where you're coming from and respect your opinion. As it seems we have two highly different opinions though, it's really going to be useless to argue about this since I obviously can't change the way you feel nor shall you change my thoughts.
I also disagree with your philosphy on location and how easy it is to find someone just by the use of their state in coordination with their last name, but we will leave it at that.
You can understand though that I am only trying to look out for a very close friend while she cannot defend herself at the moment, I hope you don't take any of this as a personal attack.
I appreciate your informative responces to my questions and comments.

:The problem again is that we are ''freely-editable encyclopedia''. This means that anyone can edit for any reason at any time, we on purpose don't control that. A random person could find a new furry artist, pop on to Wikifur and create a stub about them (which I think is how this article was first created). This then snowballs as people look at the stub, find out more about a person and add little facts. Of course we understand the need to protect people, but everyone has a public and a private side and we aim to get the right balance inside the articles. Lets see how this goes anyway. ^_^ --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 22:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:If it came down to posting addresses, we'd probably draw the line there, unless they were posted by the person concerned. Ultimately we can't tell whether or not another person has permission to post particular items of information, or how the person concerned feels about that information being public, so we have to make best guesses as to what is reasonable information to post. We are generally liberal with those guesses, because we are an open community that it used to not hiding things away.

:We will usually respect the wishes of those that prefer to keep somewhat more private, once they are made clear to us in person. A few times people have asked us to hide things that we felt would entail an unreasonable expectation of privacy and we have refused, or granted their request only in part. This usually comes into play when they do something that is very public and negative which is "common knowledge", or when their name (and no alternate name) is associated with the creation of something like a comic. For example, it is rather silly to expect people to take your requests for privacy seriously when you are pirating the works of multiple furry fandom artists. This kind of situation is rare. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 09:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

:OK, here the problem is... I take down everything "personal"... '''But''' since it aims to be a ''proper'' encyclopedia, I must reference sources... in this case her websites, where the information could be found and re-added anyway... remember, NOTHING we've said in private is here. That, though, is because I have standards (I just don't shut up sometimes), and as Nidonocu said, ''anyone'' can edit the article unless it is specially prevented.
:The step-mother bit is nothing we ever talked about; I only included it because I saw it in one of the journals and it sounded like one of those psychology things the History Channel likes to make shows around -cough-
:Obviously, since the Internet is so... f--ked up, I'll need to adhere to the strictest standard possible... like just saying "Seel is an artist, here's a gallery"... which is rather bland, but...

:Oh, and not saying f--k all the time. That might help.

:--[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 03:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright :), I just have one question. Why create an encyclopedia for furry artists?

:Its not just furry artists, its everything furry. ;) Check out [[WikiFur:About#Purpose|this section about our purpose]] and the things that link off it. :) [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is|What WikiFur is]] and [[WikiFur:What WikiFur is not|What WikiFur is not]]. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 23:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah - artists are one part of the furry community, and so they are covered. I assume you got here from [[Bluefreak]]'s dA post? She just happened to link to the artists category, which is just a subcategory of [[:Category:People]]. Even that is just a fraction of the stuff that is on here about the furry fandom. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 08:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Draconica Nimbus

2006-06-16T23:26:38Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Draconica Nimbus''' nom de fur of '''Laura Soriani''' (born December 1986) is an Italian anthro artist.

Her personality is very friendly and kind.

In her art Ancient Egypt is an important theme. Stylistically, she uses a lot of 'glow' effects.

===Webpages===
[http://draconicanimbus.deviantart.com/ Her DeviantArt page]

[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Italy]]
[[Category:1986_births]]

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-16T23:08:30Z

BennuTeomabar:

== Talk Page o.o; ==
Hurray?

[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 23:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

:Hi there, Bennu, and welcome to WikiFur! Thank you for your recent contributions. [[Forum:Help desk|Let us know]] if you need any [[help]] not already provided. :-) --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 02:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== My contributions: sources etc. ==
OK so, until I had time to sit and dig up every link possible, here's an outline of how I got my info. I'm putting it here unless I think of a better place.
Note on relationship, I'm tring to go by how well they know ME.
And for references purposes, my DA screenname is ben-nonotthatone. Now you know my secret identity oh noes.

===Bluefreak===
relation: friendly acquaintence. 
we talked: DeviantArt comments.

Her basic info is easy to find in her DA journals, she does lots of quizzes and is fairly open about her life. However, there are a couple of things I asked her specifically, namely how she got the name "Bluefreak", and what her first anthro art. I'm sure both of these are in DA comments somewhere.

===Carnival===
relation: friendly. 
talked: DA comments.

One of the first people I stalked- er, was friendly with on DA, back around June 2005. One of the first characters of DA people I got good at too. Unfortunately, tho we get along fairly well, haven't talked much.

===DraconicaNimbus===
relation: friendly acquaintence. 
talked: DA comments.

First acquainted later half of 2005. Most of our 'talk' was me saying 'nice art' and she saying 'thanks!', tho we did have a couple of long funny threads.

===Seel Dingo===
relation: very friendly. 
talked: DA comments, 'notes'

I first 'met' her I think July 2005, she had a line drawing and said anyone could color it. I didn't have a scanner at that time and so needed art ^^;
I showed her the finished piece, and asked if I could do more, and she said I could do any she had. I wound up being patheti-friendly and starting a long conversation via 'notes', what DA calls their personal messages.

===Swazzo===
friendly acquaintence 
DA comments

First person to comment on my DA page. Random comments.

ProjectBlue02

2006-06-16T22:45:39Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Bluefreak''' or '''Lyndsay Hohne''' (born December 1984) is an anthro/furry artist from Ohio, USA. The name Bluefreak really has nothing to do with "blue" or "freak"; it's short for "Bluefreakotton", a random username she used early on.

Bluefreak's best friends include Lyndsay, [[Aleron]], [[Carnival]], and [[DraconicaNimbus]]. Her personality is somewhat sensitive and notably insecure, although when certain about something she is stubborn and fiery.

Bluefreak bought her own house after she left high school, but as of June 2006 plans on selling it. In October 2006 she plans to have her boyfriend [[KaranBeyomd]], who is from Germany, move to Ohio and they will live together.

==Art==

Bluefreak's first [[anthro]]/[[furry art]] was created when she was around the age of 13. She currently uses a mix of pencil and digital techniques.

==Fursona==

Bluefreak's [[fursona]] is half [[Fennec Fox]], half Maine Coon [[cat]], a pale tannish colour with a large floofy tail. Her hair is about shoulder length and blue; her eyes are greenish. She usually wears baggy shirt, pants, collar, and often glasses. She prefers to be barefoot when possible (like the real Bluefreak).

== External links ==

* [http://bluefreak.deviantart.com Bluefreak's page] at [[deviantART]]; most of her art and basic information is here.

[[Category:People]]
[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Fox-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Cat-hybrid characters]]
[[Category:Ohio]]
[[Category:1984 births]]

ProjectBlue02

2006-06-13T03:49:24Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Bluefreak''' or '''Lyndsay Hohne''' (born December 1984) is an anthro/furry artist from Ohio, USA. The name Bluefreak really has nothing to do with "blue" or "freak"; it's short for "Bluefreakotton", a random username she used early on.

Her personality is somewhat sensitive and notably insecure, although when certain about something she is stubborn and fiery.

Her best friends include Lyndsay, [[Aleron]], [[Carnival]], and [[DraconicaNimbus]].

She bought her own house after she left high school, but as of June 2006 plans on selling it. In October 2006 she plans to have her boyfriend [[KaranBeyomd]], who is from Germany, move to Ohio and they will live together.

==Art==
Her first anthro/furry art was when she was around the age of 13. Currently she uses a mix of pencil and digital, and is well developed.

==Fursona==
Half fennec fox, half Maine coon cat, a pale tannish colour with a large floofy tail. Hair is about shoulder length and blue. Eyes are greenish. Usually wears baggy shirt, pants, collar, and often glasses. Prefers to be barefoot when possible (like the real Bluefreak).

== Websites ==
* [http://bluefreak.deviantart.com her DeviantArt page]

[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Ohio]]
[[Category:1984_births]]

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-11T23:25:01Z

BennuTeomabar:

==I thought I'd write my page like a regular entry for practice ^^;==
Makes sense, right?

==Intro==
'''Bennu Te'omabar''' aka '''ben-nonotthatone''' on DeviantArt and '''Bennu''' on FurAffinity, is an introverted but friendly anthro artist and occasional photographer from Texas. His negative traits include a short temper, occcasional disrespect for authority, and "relationship ADD".

== Brief Bio ==

Born 1980, he drew his first anthro art around 1994, but took up guitar as his major creative outlet soon after, switching to writing after September 2001.
In late 2004, while looking for Firefox themes he found DeviantArt, eventually discovering the anthro art there, and joined in June 2005. He soon bothered- err, made friends with other artists like [[Carnival]] and [[Seel Dingo]], but never socialized much.

== Recent Activity ==
Going to college part time for a Webmaster degree, he is also floating ideas for a web page for [[Frisket]]'s project [[The Metal Shrine]].

== Websites ==
* [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page on DA]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bennu on FA]

User talk:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-11T23:20:30Z

BennuTeomabar:

== Talk Page o.o; ==
Hurray?

[[User:BennuTeomabar|BennuTeomabar]] 23:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Carnival

2006-06-11T18:51:42Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Carnival''' or '''Erika Kavos''' is an anthro artist and furry from Tasmania, Australia. She joined DeviantArt in 2002. She uses a variety of traditional media along with some digital. She's enthusiastic and social, having numerous friends in Tasmania and online.

Other artists she is close to include [[Bluefreak]], [[Swazzo]], and [[Draconica Nimbus]].

She enjoys some anime, especially ''Trigun'', which her friend/now-boyfriend Vamore/Tom also enjoys, he being mainly an anime-inspired artist. She also enjoys poi (a form of juggling), and partying.

===Fursona===
Half crocodile, half panther anthro. The body is covered in brown felt-like fur, and her limbs below the elbows/knees are green lizard skin, as well as the lower part of the face and tail. Her hair is purple-ish, and her reptilian tail has purple spikes.
Her usual clothing is a collar, baggy pants, and a tube-top type thing.

==Websites==
* [http://carnival.deviantart.com DeviantArt page]

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Carnival

2006-06-11T18:12:11Z

BennuTeomabar:

User:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-11T17:48:23Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Bennu Te'omabar''' aka '''ben-nonotthatone''' on DeviantArt and '''Bennu''' on FurAffinity, is an introverted but friendly anthro artist and occasional photographer from Texas. His negative traits include a short temper, occcasional disrespect for authority, and "relationship ADD".

== Brief Bio ==

Born 1980, he drew his first anthro art around 1994, but took up guitar as his major creative outlet soon after, switching to writing after September 2001.
In late 2004, while looking for Firefox themes he found DeviantArt, eventually discovering the anthro art there, and joined in June 2005. He soon bothered- err, made friends with other artists like [[Carnival]] and [[Seel Dingo]], but never socialized much.

== Recent Activity ==
Going to college part time for a Webmaster degree, he is also floating ideas for a web page for [[Frisket]]'s project [[The Metal Shrine]].

== Websites ==
* [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page on DA]
* [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bennu on FA]

Frisket (Frisket17)

2006-06-11T04:06:40Z

BennuTeomabar:

'''Melissa O'Brien''', commonly refered to as '''Frisket''', is an artist, [[roleplayer]], and sometime [[wizard]]. She founded [[My Little Pony MUSH]] and was the wizard [[Sweet Peep]] there until she made the decision to close it in 2005. Her past characters include [[Arista]], white [[Ethiopian wolf]] on [[The Lion King MUCK]].

Beyond her own artwork, she started the [[Cake Portfolio]].

As of 2006 she is involved in "The Metal Shrine", a fictional world revolving around her character Sutra.

== External links ==

* [http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Melissa-O'Brien/ Melissa O'Brien's gallery] at the [[VCL]]
* [http://golddog17.proboards25.com/ Gold Dog Forum - Home]
* [http://community.livejournal.com/themetalshrine/ The Metal Shrine's LiveJournal home] which is a closed community, but most entries are public.
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User:BennuTeomabar

2006-06-11T03:28:07Z

BennuTeomabar: Category:People

'''Bennu Te'omabar''' aka '''ben-nonotthatone''' [http://ben-nonotthatone.deviantart.com Ben's page] on DeviantArt and '''Bennu''' on FurAffinity, is an introverted but friendly anthro artist and occasional photographer from Texas. His negative traits include a short temper, disrespect for authority, and "relationship ADD".

== Brief Bio ==

Born 1980, he drew his first anthro art around 1994, but took up guitar as his major creative outlet soon after, switching to writing after September 2001.
In late 2004, while looking for Firefox themes he found DeviantArt, eventually discovering the anthro art there, and joined in June 2005. He soon bothered- err, made friends with other artists like [[Carnival]] and [[Seel Dingo]], but never socialized much.

== Recent Activity ==
Going to college part time for a Webmaster degree, he is also floating ideas for a web page for [[Frisket]]'s project [[The Metal Shrine]].