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Anthrocon 2011

2009-05-31T06:15:26Z

98.118.240.12: fix theme

{{Anthrocon}}

'''Anthrocon 2011''' will be the 15th annual [[Anthrocon]] furry [[convention]]. It will be held on the weekend of June 23rd to 26th, 2011<ref>[http://www.anthrocon.org/faq/date Convention Date Related Questions] - From Anthrocon's [http://www.anthrocon.org/faq FAQ]</ref>, at the Westin Hotel and [[wikipedia:David L. Lawrence Convention Center|David L. Lawrence Convention Center]] in [[wikipedia:Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania|Pittsburgh]], [[w:Pennsylvania|Pennsylvania]].

It will be on this year that Anthrocon will tie with ConFurence for longevity.

* '''Theme:''' "The Anthropomorphic Institute of Magic"

== References ==
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== External links ==
* {{con resources|Anthrocon|Anthrocon 2011}}

[[Category:Pennsylvania]]
[[Category:2011 events]]

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[[es:Anthrocon 2011]]

Talk:Popping

2009-05-18T21:30:39Z

98.118.240.12: Heh.

Works for me =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:56, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
== Data point ==
As list administrator of the former IAFP mailing list, I can say with confidence we maintained a neutral position on popping, and the ''only'' flamewar we had on the list resulted in the main troublemakers (Pneuguin and someone else) getting banned. This has less to do with conspiracy-theory like "bias" or "repression" and more of simply doing the (thankless) job of running a mailing list. I think the moderators of most lists recognize popping is a controversial topic, and don't want their forums cluttered up with flamewars.
That being said, WTF non-anthropomorphic inflatables have to do with furry fandom, I have no idea, but this whole thing sounds like someone got their hand slapped on a forum somewhere and is taking out their frustrations on Wikifur. Just my $0.02. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

:My aim was to provide accurate information on popping, though I can't promise being 100% unbiased as I'm a non-popper. That doesn't mean that I am a frustrated hand-slapped flamer. ^^ Glad that we can iterate on the subject and make it less biased, I think the Balloonie section is already well worked out.

:Please correct me if I'm wrong but I was refering to the split with Papaball on IAFP that led to the forming of the Poppers Yahoo!Group in 1999, which left the rest of IAFP for the non-poppers. The other flame (with Pneuguin) happened in 2001.

:What I meant 'by definition': although Wikipedia (according to DSM-IV-TR) lists both fetishism and sexual sadism as paraphilia, I suggested that popping is very rarely motivated by love ('philia'). But if we take the very strict DSM definition, this paragraph/claim can aswell be omitted.

:Subtle harassment and teasing that is overlooked by moderation are tell-tale signs of repression and biased moderation, of which several examples can be cited from current forums (harder from the now closed ballooner Y! Groups).

:Many furries are into actual inflatables IRL and the inflatophilia-reference was already described in the Popping article not modified by me. I have also attempted to merge the two articles.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 03:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

::Well, I honestly don't know what Papa Ball's problem is. He [http://www.gettingit.com/article/67 claimed in 2005] that the IAFP was leading some sort of crusade against poppers, but that has never been the case. The IAFP mailing list was always for everyone who likes inflatable animals, despite people's attempts to split it into a popper/non-popper feud.

::Be that as it may, just because some furries are inflatophiles does not mean that furry fandom is about inflatophilia. Seems a bit too much like scope creep to me. Just my $0.02. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 05:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

:::I have added some source material on the questioned points and tried to Wikify the article - please review. I could provide further material on the topics in question upon request. In a later edit I could look up links on how poppers view themselves, though this kind of information would be more credible if provided by someone who is actually into popping.
:::(Inflatophilia seems to have its own place within the Furry fandom, and although I didn't meet any survey regarding this but I estimate about one third of inflatophiles identifying themselves as Furs.)--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 00:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

::::The source material you provided didn't match the claims in the article, so I nixed it. Most of it (''especially'' the lengthy post by "popinion" on inflates.yiff) was a lot of paranoid speculation about some sort of popper conspiracy. I've also corrected the history of IAFP. I think the article still needs some serious editing if it's going to be kept at all. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 17:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::I have restored the debated "popinion" link. Since the beginning of the discussion you are continuously asking for sources (which I have provided but are always being brushed aside as invalid). I kindly ask you to provide valid links or arguments that would disprove the claims and observations of Popinion and the other links I have provided, before nixing them.
:::::I would like to think that you have kept your neutral approach towards popping.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 05:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::The popinion link is unsupported conjecture; there are no facts to back up his claim. The general standard, on Wikipedia at least, is that "some people claim X" is not license for people to insert any specious claims they want into articles. For example, claiming "Greenreaper is a space alien" and then pointing to a post of someone saying "Greenreaper is a space alien" is not proof that Greenreaper is a space alien.
::::::Further, the burden of proof is on you since you're the one attempting to include these claims in the article. You are asking me for proof these things don't happen (i.e., proving a negative, a logical fallacy). Popping is not "off topic" on inflates.yiff, and there's no evidence anyone posts to "tease" non-poppers.
::::::Of course, this is all a moot point because the whole section focuses on an argument that has nothing to do with furry fandom and should be deleted. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::The debated link is not only backed up by the whole thread it appears in, but I even have provided other examples ([http://inflates.yiff.ru/?p=messages&m=read&mid=13828 #1], [http://inflates.yiff.ru/?p=messages&m=read&mid=14599 #2], [http://inflates.yiff.ru/?p=messages&m=read&mid=15149 #3]), which were deleted. Claims are always backed up by examples, such as in this case - however, as we cannot generalize from just a few examples, I have worded the article like ''There are claims...''. Which is a justified solution, even by Wikipedia standards.
:::::::But even if Popinion's post would be only some sort of senseless "paranoid speculation" (which it is not), I'd disagree with removing the whole section. Popping might be a controversial topic but its certain issues must be addressed.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 00:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Again, the links don't match the claims you're making, and it doesn't have anything to do with furry fandom. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 05:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Sounds like mantra to me (the third time you mention that this info is 'unfurry', even signing it with a banner to give it more weight). Inflatophilia (and thus, popping) is as relevant in Furry context as plushophilia.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 21:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::Just to make it absolutely clear: I am '''not''' a space alien. I am a [http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Kai_Norn Kai norn], and the game I come from (''[http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Creatures_2 Creatures 2]'') was set on [http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Albia Albia] — not in space. Even if it had been ''[http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/Creatures_3 Creatures 3]'', it would not be accurate, as that game was best described as "norns ''in'' space", not "norns ''from'' space". If you want a ''real'' space alien (and who doesn't?), try [[Frazzy626|Frazzle]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]<sup>([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]])</sup> 05:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Section Deletion ==
This isn't really an appropriate forum for internal arguments of inflates.yiff that have nothing to do with furry fandom, so I've deleted the section. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

::Restoring the section as the debate around it wasn't yet closed. Please refer to the section above.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 00:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think WikiFur is really an appropriate forum for hashing out non-furry arguments like this. As I don't really have time to get dragged into an edit war, the Admins can feel free to step in anytime here. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 05:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I'd edited the article so it accurately reflects the thread in question. It looks like Popinion was trying to disrupt the group by trolling, and judging by the repeated warnings he received, I'd guess he was probably eventually banned for it. I know I would have done so. But that's just, y'know, my opinion as a former list administrator myself with little tolerance for these sort of shenanigans.
::::On that note, I don't think WikiFur should be a platform for someone trying to lend credence to a failed trolling attempt, but I'm sure the WikiFur admins can handle that more effectively than I can. —[[User:Xydexx|Xydexx]] 16:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::Labelling (misrepresenting) the thread in question as a 'failed trolling attempt' doesn't really do justice as the whole site is full of [[Inflatables.yiff|controversy]]. I kind of expected the word 'troll' to pop up and even used against me (it's not the case yet but you're already suggesting).
:::::To me it seems that you're trying to protect a forum where non-poppers (who are in majority) are continuously subjected to unwanted gross content and harassment in the name of 'mutual respect'.
:::::My claim that '''you are biased towards popping while stating neutrality''' was further strenghtened by the speed and repeated efforts in attempting to brush away the sources I provided and bleaching and whitewashing the article.
:::::Also, supportive comments given to [http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=pukH0pWX2Oo&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DpukH0pWX2Oo%26feature%3Dchannel_page the maker of this popping video] (comment #2 and 4) further strengthens it. In case there would be any action from the WikiFur admins, this should also be taken into consideration.--[[User:Wolfkid23|Wolfkid23]] 21:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Nah, it seems to me like you're just upset you got banned from inflates.yiff and trying to stir up controversy here instead. Considering how Greenreaper doesn't like people using WikiFur as a battleground of ideologies to prove a point, maybe you'll end up getting banned from here, too. *shrug* —[[Special:Contributions/98.118.240.12|98.118.240.12]] 21:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Popping

2009-04-23T01:37:29Z

98.118.240.12: /* References */ I'd disagree that wanting people to abide by the rules amounts to "bias" or "repression."

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{{wikify}}

'''Popping''' is a term used within the [[Balloonie]] subset of [[furry fandom]], as well as within communities devoted to [[inflatophilia]], whether furry or not. In these contexts popping refers to the act of puncturing or exploding an inflatable object in real life - such as a pool toy - or in art, fiction, and role-play - such as a Balloonie character.

Popping is often a subject of controversy: depending on the interests of a particular fan or [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]], popping can carry a positive, negative, mischievous, or sexual connotation.

== Popping in the [[Balloonie]] fandom ==

For some Balloonie fans, popping represents the ultimate and exciting expression of love or camaraderie in a relationship between [[Inflatable]] characters. In character role-play, popping is usually - but not always - non-permanent and some mechanism exists to restore a popped or damaged character. Depending on the individual, popping role-play may be something that is acceptable in "public" or only done in privacy or secrecy. Some may invite casual play with a number of other persons, while others may consider the theme reserved for trusted friends and dislike non-consensual play that involves popping as much as a person who dislikes popping entirely.

For some outside the Balloonie community, popping may largely be equated with a non-organic character's equivalent of [[Wikipedia:Orgasm|"Orgasm"]], but a number of Balloonies and Poppers feel that popping is a unique concept which has much more than merely an erotic overtone, though such a tone may frequently be incorporated.

A not insignificant number of Balloonies also dislike or are disturbed by popping and consider it to simply be damage and equate it with similar kinds of puncture wounds to a living creature. These fans may be offended by acts of non-consenting popping. As well, some non-balloonies have been known to play out acts of popping another person's character to annoy them or make the player feel unwelcome, especially if they know that person views popping in bad taste.

Finally, there are those who feel that popping is the ultimate, looping "end" of the life cycle of any inflatable fur or character. Here it is seen as a quite normal way to "go" with a "Bang!"
[[Category:Furspeech terms]]

== Popping and [[Inflatophilia]] ==

Some fans enjoy the real-life act of damaging inflatable toys, and may or may not repair the toys for future use. Within the general inflatable toy fandom, those who purposefully damage toys are most often referred to as [[popper]]s. Damaging is most often done by puncturing, but it can done by overinflation, tearing, stomping on or burning. Popping doesn't necessarily involve sexual excitement, though a part of poppers derive sexual arousement from the act of popping.

While ''by definition'', the term 'popping' can be considered contrary to '[[inflatophilia]]'{{fact}}, many [[popper]]s can be considered as inflatophiles as they are attracted to inflatable objects, ''in some way''. A number of poppers collect rare inflatables that they spare, while using items for popping that can be more easily purchased. Some poppers do not collect inflatables at all, only use them to make videos of destroying them.

It can be stated without any bias that the majority of inflatophiles do not engage in popping.<ref>Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.</ref>

Regardless of the type of inflatables in question—whether be it balloons, vinyl or other inflatables—the act of popping is generally viewed as disturbing by non-poppers, especially when animal shaped inflatables are being destroyed. This usually leads to heated discussions when the topic is brought up. Non-popper inflatophiles do not even like the discussion of popping — this fact is often exploited by poppers{{fact}}, who deliberately keep it ontopic, often in subtle ways, to tease non-poppers.<ref>These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in inflatophile forums. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities), except where there is repression or biased moderation.</ref>

This has led to many flamewars in the past (most notably on the IAFP mailing list in 1999, which took a neutral stance on popping, and internal popper vs. non-popper flamewars were strongly discouraged by the list administrator), resulting in forming of separate forums for poppers and non-poppers. Having 'mixed' forums — i. e. allowing both popping and non-popping content — can sometimes result in flamewars, which may allegedly end up in biased moderation and repression, as it was observed on 'ballooner' Yahoo! Groups (as of 2009 they appear to be deleted).

Manufacturers and toy designers sometimes voice their negative views on the issue of popping on forums, not just because of the efforts they put in designing and realizing the toys, but especially when considering that the majority of toys are produced in third world countries, often under hard working conditions.

== References ==
* Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.

* These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]] forums{{fact}}. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities).

Popping

2009-04-23T01:34:45Z

98.118.240.12: Not sure how the IAFP flamewar was notable, other than banning the two main instigators from the list.

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'''Popping''' is a term used within the [[Balloonie]] subset of [[furry fandom]], as well as within communities devoted to [[inflatophilia]], whether furry or not. In these contexts popping refers to the act of puncturing or exploding an inflatable object in real life - such as a pool toy - or in art, fiction, and role-play - such as a Balloonie character.

Popping is often a subject of controversy: depending on the interests of a particular fan or [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]], popping can carry a positive, negative, mischievous, or sexual connotation.

== Popping in the [[Balloonie]] fandom ==

For some Balloonie fans, popping represents the ultimate and exciting expression of love or camaraderie in a relationship between [[Inflatable]] characters. In character role-play, popping is usually - but not always - non-permanent and some mechanism exists to restore a popped or damaged character. Depending on the individual, popping role-play may be something that is acceptable in "public" or only done in privacy or secrecy. Some may invite casual play with a number of other persons, while others may consider the theme reserved for trusted friends and dislike non-consensual play that involves popping as much as a person who dislikes popping entirely.

For some outside the Balloonie community, popping may largely be equated with a non-organic character's equivalent of [[Wikipedia:Orgasm|"Orgasm"]], but a number of Balloonies and Poppers feel that popping is a unique concept which has much more than merely an erotic overtone, though such a tone may frequently be incorporated.

A not insignificant number of Balloonies also dislike or are disturbed by popping and consider it to simply be damage and equate it with similar kinds of puncture wounds to a living creature. These fans may be offended by acts of non-consenting popping. As well, some non-balloonies have been known to play out acts of popping another person's character to annoy them or make the player feel unwelcome, especially if they know that person views popping in bad taste.

Finally, there are those who feel that popping is the ultimate, looping "end" of the life cycle of any inflatable fur or character. Here it is seen as a quite normal way to "go" with a "Bang!"
[[Category:Furspeech terms]]

== Popping and [[Inflatophilia]] ==

Some fans enjoy the real-life act of damaging inflatable toys, and may or may not repair the toys for future use. Within the general inflatable toy fandom, those who purposefully damage toys are most often referred to as [[popper]]s. Damaging is most often done by puncturing, but it can done by overinflation, tearing, stomping on or burning. Popping doesn't necessarily involve sexual excitement, though a part of poppers derive sexual arousement from the act of popping.

While ''by definition'', the term 'popping' can be considered contrary to '[[inflatophilia]]'{{fact}}, many [[popper]]s can be considered as inflatophiles as they are attracted to inflatable objects, ''in some way''. A number of poppers collect rare inflatables that they spare, while using items for popping that can be more easily purchased. Some poppers do not collect inflatables at all, only use them to make videos of destroying them.

It can be stated without any bias that the majority of inflatophiles do not engage in popping.<ref>Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.</ref>

Regardless of the type of inflatables in question—whether be it balloons, vinyl or other inflatables—the act of popping is generally viewed as disturbing by non-poppers, especially when animal shaped inflatables are being destroyed. This usually leads to heated discussions when the topic is brought up. Non-popper inflatophiles do not even like the discussion of popping — this fact is often exploited by poppers{{fact}}, who deliberately keep it ontopic, often in subtle ways, to tease non-poppers.<ref>These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in inflatophile forums. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities), except where there is repression or biased moderation.</ref>

This has led to many flamewars in the past (most notably on the IAFP mailing list in 1999, which took a neutral stance on popping, and internal popper vs. non-popper flamewars were strongly discouraged by the list administrator), resulting in forming of separate forums for poppers and non-poppers. Having 'mixed' forums — i. e. allowing both popping and non-popping content — can sometimes result in flamewars, which may allegedly end up in biased moderation and repression, as it was observed on 'ballooner' Yahoo! Groups (as of 2009 they appear to be deleted).

Manufacturers and toy designers sometimes voice their negative views on the issue of popping on forums, not just because of the efforts they put in designing and realizing the toys, but especially when considering that the majority of toys are produced in third world countries, often under hard working conditions.

== References ==
* Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.

* These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]] forums. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities).

Popping

2009-04-23T01:23:25Z

98.118.240.12: /* Popping and Inflatophilia */

{{cleanup}}
{{wikify}}

'''Popping''' is a term used within the [[Balloonie]] subset of [[furry fandom]], as well as within communities devoted to [[inflatophilia]], whether furry or not. In these contexts popping refers to the act of puncturing or exploding an inflatable object in real life - such as a pool toy - or in art, fiction, and role-play - such as a Balloonie character.

Popping is often a subject of controversy: depending on the interests of a particular fan or [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]], popping can carry a positive, negative, mischievous, or sexual connotation.

== Popping in the [[Balloonie]] fandom ==

For some Balloonie fans, popping represents the ultimate and exciting expression of love or camaraderie in a relationship between [[Inflatable]] characters. In character role-play, popping is usually - but not always - non-permanent and some mechanism exists to restore a popped or damaged character. Depending on the individual, popping role-play may be something that is acceptable in "public" or only done in privacy or secrecy. Some may invite casual play with a number of other persons, while others may consider the theme reserved for trusted friends and dislike non-consensual play that involves popping as much as a person who dislikes popping entirely.

For some outside the Balloonie community, popping may largely be equated with a non-organic character's equivalent of [[Wikipedia:Orgasm|"Orgasm"]], but a number of Balloonies and Poppers feel that popping is a unique concept which has much more than merely an erotic overtone, though such a tone may frequently be incorporated.

A not insignificant number of Balloonies also dislike or are disturbed by popping and consider it to simply be damage and equate it with similar kinds of puncture wounds to a living creature. These fans may be offended by acts of non-consenting popping. As well, some non-balloonies have been known to play out acts of popping another person's character to annoy them or make the player feel unwelcome, especially if they know that person views popping in bad taste.

Finally, there are those who feel that popping is the ultimate, looping "end" of the life cycle of any inflatable fur or character. Here it is seen as a quite normal way to "go" with a "Bang!"
[[Category:Furspeech terms]]

== Popping and [[Inflatophilia]] ==

Some fans enjoy the real-life act of damaging inflatable toys, and may or may not repair the toys for future use. Within the general inflatable toy fandom, those who purposefully damage toys are most often referred to as [[popper]]s. Damaging is most often done by puncturing, but it can done by overinflation, tearing, stomping on or burning. Popping doesn't necessarily involve sexual excitement, though a part of poppers derive sexual arousement from the act of popping.

While ''by definition'', the term 'popping' can be considered contrary to '[[inflatophilia]]', many [[popper]]s can be considered as inflatophiles as they are attracted to inflatable objects, ''in some way''. A number of poppers collect rare inflatables that they spare, while using items for popping that can be more easily purchased. Some poppers do not collect inflatables at all, only use them to make videos of destroying them.

It can be stated without any bias that the majority of inflatophiles do not engage in popping.<ref>Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.</ref>

Regardless of the type of inflatables in question – whether be it balloons, vinyl or other inflatables –, the act of popping is generally viewed as gross by inflatophiles who don't engage in it, especially when animal shaped inflatables are being destroyed. This usually leads to heated discussions when the topic is brought up. Non-popper inflatophiles do not even like the discussion of popping – this fact is often exploited by poppers, who deliberately keep it ontopic, often in subtle ways, to tease non-poppers.<ref>These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in inflatophile forums. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities), except where there is repression or biased moderation.</ref>

This has led to many flamewars in the past (most notably on the IAFP mailing list in 1999, which took a neutral stance on popping), resulting in forming of separate forums for poppers and non-poppers. Having 'mixed' forums – i. e. allowing both popping and non-popping content – can result in flame-wars, which can then end up in biased moderation and repression, as it was observed on 'ballooner' Yahoo! Groups (as of 2009 they appear to be deleted).

Manufacturers and toy designers sometimes voice their negative views on the issue of popping on forums, not just because of the efforts they put in designing and realizing the toys, but especially when considering that the majority of toys are produced in third world countries, often under hard working conditions.

== References ==
* Polls featuring this question regularly turn up on inflatophile forums (most recently on a [http://inflatablesforum.foren-city.de/topic,171,-seid-ihr-eher-popper-oder-nonpopper.html German inflatophile forum in late 2008]), often resulting around 25% popper and 75% non-popper rate.

* These conclusions and observations can be made when participating in [[inflatophilia|inflatophile]] forums. The current discussion usually reflects the same points (even those of the now closed or disabled forums and communities).