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== google video regular size ==

the link on the main page is to the fullscreen version. this one includes a link to download the video.
[[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1085115341022161983&hl=en Google Video regular size]]

:Thanks for the tip. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 07:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

== Traffic incidents ==

On the Controversy timeline, there are a few instances that are hard to make a case for their inclusion, but the traffic ones (deleted per now, may be re-instituted if I can make the case,) is more of a personal matter: People have them everyday, most don't reflect on the type of person they are, and, these are really not furry connected (even if trying to tie it to his state of mind.) I had made the case about it a while back, and opinions pro/con are welcome on the removal decision.

While at it, what's the status on his warrant arrest?,... Ongoing, dropped, fake?,... Aaand, the "reference" section needs a major clean-up shake-down (dead links, format, attach reference to the pertinent paragraphs, etc,...) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

== August arrest ==

Quick note: sibe was arrested today(8-18-07) on that outstanding warrant. it is unknown how long he will be held for. ~snowy

:[http://www.vinelink.com/offender/detail.jsp?siteID=38000&offenderSID=35726756 Confirmed in VINElink]. Oh well. Hope he can find something productive to do there. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 05:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

theres a typo btw. its august 18 2007 not august 19 2008. ~snowy.

:I'm not having a good day for dates . . . --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

its okay. ill try to keep updated when we hear more. we'll most likely go see him as soon as possible and see whats up. ~snowy
:p.s. it still says 2008.
::Sheesh. At this rate it may be 2008 by the time I get the date right. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

==FurJAM ban==
Just trying to establish the exact sequence of events about the e-mail ban sent to Sibe...

According to AussieHusky (organiser of FurJAM) this e-mail was actually sent to another fur, Timon_b.

Aussie, when you say "he then forwarded it to Sibe", do you know for certain it was Timon who forwarded the mail? Could Timon have shown it to someone else, and they then forwarded it to Sibe?

Also, at what point did Sibe's name get on the ban? Did Timon change it, or did Sibe? --[[User:Higgs Raccoon|Higgs Raccoon]] 16:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Timon: Sibe Rocks! {{Unsigned|202.7.166.166}}

== Sibe's out! ==

According to VINElink, he was released yesterday.

http://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=38000&agency=25&id=648342&searchType=offender

:Just in time for his birthday, too! Seems everyone has their birthday this 18th (mine's one day after). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 20:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

::Interesting. Mine was yesterday. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Sibe's Out Confirmed! ==

He's recently updated his greatest journal, posting a new pic. {{unsigned|Smallfry90}}

== Request for removal or reworking from subject ==

Sibe has again requested removal of this article. He feels that (somewhat paraphrased):
* It incorrectly represents his character, highlighting negative points over positive
* The timeline-based presentation of events is not conductive to balanced coverage
* The mention of crimes for which he was not convicted is inappropriate, as is the inclusion of his real name
* The current effect of the article on his person is inappropriate relative to the amount of harm that he has and is causing the fandom
* WikiFur's standard of inclusion/exclusion is being unfairly applied (e.g. "Do I have a different standard then [[Lance Rund]]? If so, why?")

I would like to know what information the community feels is essential at this point, whether they feel the above complaints are reasonable, and if so, how to solve them. I would be interested in edits to this article - either minor or significant - that improve it from the respect of these comments while keeping any information considered essential to the furry fandom in place. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:The more things change, the more they [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sibe/Archive3 stay the same]. His (still ongoing as of this date) habit of uploading artist copyrighted art to image boards and servers, specially PirateBay's image board (where it's guarantee for those works to be there forever,) doesn't do squat to prove a desire of change. ''"He feels that It incorrectly represents his character, highlighting negative points over positive,"''... Well, when you have more negative points than positive... =/

:''"The current effect of the article on his person is inappropriate relative to the amount of harm that he has and is causing the fandom,"''... I dare-say that there's a lot of people, artists and comic/illustration websites/companies that have a different view about this; Plus "You reap what you sow,..." "Don't shit were you eat,..." etc...

:''"WikiFur's standard of inclusion/exclusion is being unfairly applied (e.g. "Do I have a different standard then [[Lance Rund]]? If so, why?")."''... Lance Rund has not pursued a continuing pattern of detrimental acts to individuals or companies in the fandom =/

:Is there information or data that could be edited out?. Yes, and I did take some of that out myself (like the traffic violations,)... Can more be edited out, again yes, there's alot of negative data that is indeed borderline furry related, and the article as a whole is in dire need of a once over (his revolving-door jail experiences, are we going to add all of them if he continues to do so?.)

:But, as for asking for some consideration, [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sibe/Archive3 we already fell for that one before] - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::...That said, future behavior/actions could very well put him on a position of reason that warrants removal of said personal info. It's up to the individual - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::: I'd like to point out that within the last month, I have received multiple unsolicited invites from Sibe to various social networking sites, at least one of which was of an adult nature. Make of that what you will. --[[User:Dmuth|Douglas Muth]] 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::So because the dude is a bad dude, he doesn't deserve the same respect of privacy that other's request nor the same levels of standards that others have? While the guy is a menace to artists who attempt to sell their artwork, certainly, that doesn't necessarily mean we should run his name through the dirt. Kanye West's mother recently died, and because he "butchered" a Daft Punk song, a few people say it was because of Karma. I don't necessarily think that's fair to Kanye.

::Wikipedia concepts aren't supposed to play judge and jury, regardless of the weasel-words and arguments that are sprinkled throughout articles. And neither is WikiFur. We seem to accept that some artists, as infamous or famous as they are in the fandom, deserve some amounts of respect for their privacy, but for what reason? They're public figures, are they not? Sibe, similarly, is a public figure as well, but with a different level of infamy.

::Arguably, it's a steeper hill to climb for him to request his article be taken down considering that he is Boogeyman #1 in this fandom, but I think it'd be fair to at least consider his request, and not simply write it off as "Sibe is a jerk, I'm not going to listen to what he has to say." [[User:Verix|Verix]] 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:::We do have standards. But the standard is not the decision whether or not to exclude someone; it is the ''process'' by which we decide whether or not to exclude someone. This process need not end up at the same result for every person (indeed, if it does, it is simply a rule, not a process), but it should come to the same result given similar situations. And this does indeed happen.

:::If you look at the cases where personal exclusion has been denied in part or in whole, you can see several quite strong patterns - whether or not a person's actions constituted an actual crime in part or in whole, whether or not it was a one-off event or something that has gone on for years, and in some cases whether they had taken steps to redeem themselves. The point of exclusion is that the community generally feels that personal privacy should trump public interest. In these cases, they feel the opposite.

:::As for judging that public interest - well, yes, we '''do''' have to do just that. If not us, who else? The point of this website is to serve the furry fandom as a whole. Nobody appointed us, but this is our website, so it's up to us together to decide what's on it, and to define how we come to such decisions. Wikipedia does make similar decisions, albeit under the header of notability, and wrestles with the same problems. You might think they would put up anything that is published by a verifiable source, but it actually ends up with a system rather similar to ours.

:::I think you are wrong to single out artists as beneficiaries of this process, because I can think of at least two cases where exclusion was denied to artists (due to art theft and fraud, respectively). It may be true that artists are more likely to ''request'' exclusion, but that's a different matter.

:::Making a general rule is the easy way out, and I'd be fine with that if everyone agreed with it. However, this is not the case - there are some people who think that WikiFur should allow everyone complete exclusion, some who think we should not allow any exclusion, and some (seemingly the majority) who can go either way depending on the situation. It is impossible to please everyone all the time, but allowing the community to decide who should not be eligible for exclusion and exactly what that implies in each individual situation has worked out well enough so far. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 23:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::::The reason I include the artists is mostly of personal observation and opinion of the social workings of the furry fandom, really. Artists and creators are the main reason this fandom exists, so obviously they get placed on a higher totem than anyone else. So, naturally, they tend to benefit the most from... well, essentially anything the fandom has to offer! But when an artist is found to have stolen something-- traced, art-theft, things of that nature (especially when it comes to '''other''' furry artists)-- their place on the totem is essentially taken down, once the rumors (be they fact or fiction) spread throughout our small interconnected network. And, rightfully so, they lose whatever respect they've earned.

::::So, naturally, I drift in that direction, because the fandom as a whole has a natural social bias toward artists and benefiting them. Which is why I brought it up. I still feel artists who are respected in this regard benefit from the system simply because they are the main resource of this fandom, but I'm an extreme social skeptic and pessimist, and that's not what we're debating here. :)

::::From what I gather, then, there's no way this page is going to be taken down, not necessarily because Sibe is a public figure, and not necessarily because he is simply requesting this page be taken down, but because it serves the public interest for there to be information about him. Which is a debate I've been raging for years (regarding how much of a demonic figure Sibe is), so I'm not really going to go into it because I don't want to bother going into it again, since no one seems to change their minds or opinions on the dude anyhow.

::::Sibe's usual representation is to portray him as a criminal waiting in the shadows at any moment to either pound the living hell out of someone or sexually abuse them or something like that. While he certainly doesn't have the criminal court record to back up the fact that he ''isn't'', I think many who have observed Sibe's treatment over the years will agree that the majority of his records are blown completely out of proportion.

::::With this in mind, I think we should look more carefully at how we treat this issue, considering that our role isn't necessarily to be an objective source of information, but rather one that curtails to the public interest. So we're more of a journalist institution than an encyclopedic one.

::::Therefore, considering how hot-button the issue of Sibe is, I think we should be extremely careful about how the information is portrayed. The public wants to drag Sibe's name through the mud, and I think the history surrounding him proves this. And many will spread rumors about him just because people dislike him. So at the very least, I believe we should try to make the page as informative as possible without simply saying things that he's possibly done or things people have heard that he's done (like, for example, the child-touching thing). Hersey has no place in the encyclopedia or in journalism.

::::So many words. Wiki debates are weird. [[User:Verix|Verix]] 01:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:::::Our aim is to be a source of objective information on matters that are in the public interest as it pertains to furry fandom. I do not think these two goals are in conflict. What is in the public interest is debatable, but even if we do not exclude a person we should still aim to cover them as neutrally as possible, as you describe.

:::::As for hearsay, that's one thing. Actual charges are something different, and something that journalistic sources are quite willing to report (though most reputable publications would avoid implying that a person was guilty until they were convicted). --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Open editing? ==

Why isnt this article open for editing? {{unsignedIP|24.21.140.138|03:21, 20 November 2007}}

Hmm, it should be open,... No, edit its set for admins and registered users only right now. You can create an account easily by accessing this [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup page] - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:The article itself has sadly been a target for vandalism in the past. Such as page blanking, word replacement, replacing the entire page with garbage, the subject of the article turning vandal despite previous consensus against removal of information, and so on. So to help protect against such, we locked out anonymous edits on this article.

:We're in the middle of a new review about Sibe's most recent request for the page to have info clipped out or blanked. Its a very long discussion that I can't make heads or tails of right now. ^^; I don't know how it'll come out in the end.

:If you want to edit the article you have a few options. One of these options is to post the information you want to add or remove here and discuss why you think it needs to be added/removed.

:Have a nice day and happy editing! --[[User:Markus|Markus]]([[User talk:Markus|talk]]) 08:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Request for removal or reworking from subject (part deux) ==

Reverted Sibe's edits as we haven't have had a consensus regarding this article. We should put to rest the continuing queries about how much of the information currently present needs rewording/reworking/tweaking, etc... (a massive cleanup wouldn't hurt either,)... [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see any logic to removing the subject's real name, as there hardly seems to be a separation of fan and RL identity, and he has uploaded a photograph of himself. I'm inclined to think unrelated offences should be summarized down or cut, in the same sort of way as i'm for summarizing down or cutting long lists of jobs or school accomplishments; they don't seem particularly relevant to a description about a-person-in-the-context-of-furry, nor particularly interesting to random readers. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 18:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Sibe here. Im going to delete the timeline and actually write an article that includes all the elements of the timeline.

User talk:Spirou

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== Berios ==

Did you mean to leave [[Berios]] blank? Or should it be protected-excluded? --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 20:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Protected-excluded, but Safari is not formating the post right. It shows as intended on preview, but not when I save it. If you could fix it I would appreciate it [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The user contacted me via IM and asked that his paged be removed, and that the link between his RL name and fursona/character be broken. I deleted the [[Berios]] page and protected-excluded his RL name. I'm not sure what the precedent is for this but as long as the link isn't immediately obvious I think we will have satisfied the request. [[User:Simba B|Simba B]] 20:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Understood, But "Berios" (the name,) is a bit linked to the history of fandom, and deleting it outright would red-link possible present/future entries connections (attendances, contributions, etc...). That's why I undeleted it, killed the redirect to the person's name, and tried to "protect-excluded" (emphasis on "tried".)
:::Should be fined as long as his RL name is not connected to this alias in any article. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Vorderman Post ==

Hi Spirou Can i please have some clarification if a factual event that happned at EF13 warents a post on wikifur. As southpaw is pretty adiment that it is not witin guidelines for Wikifur (Sorry My first article so its going to be a mess!)

Reasons that i think it deserved a post was that around 80% of the con actualy was into it at one point. The dance floor errupting and a few of the orginazers such as cheetah and uncle kage got in on the act. A lot of furrs have since asked "what was it all about" {{unsigned|WolfieUk|20:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)}}

:No problem. As it stands, the entry is about a very localized, spur of the moment, event that, all thought occurring in a furry convention and propagated by furs, it (at this time,) doesn't stand out, or being furry common enough, to warrant it's own entry (vs something like [[Krystal can't enjoy her sandwich]], which, all though quick and new, it crossed all layers of furry fandom very quickly in a popular fashion with a lot of people, enough to be noteworthy.)

:It could be, instead of putting up to discuss its appropriateness as a standalone Wikifur article, merged as a section on the [[Eurofurence 13]] article, as Rat has already suggested to do [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 23:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Homestead? ==

Back in 2005 [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=Whelpday&diff=20079&oldid=14810 one of your additions to Whelpday included “The Homestead”]. Was that Homestead a role-play section of alt.lifestyle.furry or the Homestead LJ? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 22:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The "Homestead" as [[Alt.lifestyle.furry|ALF]] is referred as sometimes =) [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== User:74.15.21.167 ==

After reviewing the [[Special:Contributions/74.15.21.167|recent edits]] by this anonymous user, it is not obvious to me like they were acts of vandalism/bad faith. Questionable, perhaps, but possibly worthy of further discussion before taking action against this user. Are you familiar enough with the subject matter of the articles edited to be able to say otherwise? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 18:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

:No, it wasn't actually the initial edits that made me reverse the changes, but the final two touches of taking out the contributor template ("uh?, why?",) and the little tweak on the Road Rover article (cute.) Not precisely nice final touches to try to seriously assert your prior arguments/edits [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 18:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Wiki-style Disagreement ==

I prefer dictionary-tabbing out segments versus making sub-segments, especially when the topics covered are short enough that they could be covered in a bulleted list (not to mention it causes that ugly Table Of Contents to show up, which is really unnecessary when we're discussing many short definitions). I consider it more 'wiki-like' in making sure the content is not obscured by needless details, and in this case your changes are the equivalent of a ten-pound parcel for a ten-ounce cargo.

I would really rather you leave my edits in that regard alone. I don't mind content being corrected, but the 'many small segments' appearance really bothers me, unless you intend on expanding each of the segments in [[How To Be a Furry]] out into sizable enough portions to be worth the alteration fairly soon. [[User:Jigsaw Forte|Jigsaw Forte]] 03:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, it has nothing to do with the type of edit you prefer, instead of more on the formatting that Wikifur generally uses ([[Help:Furry_Book_of_Style]].) Not ribbing, or trying to get your goat, or, simply, "f**** with you," really, just following old formatting rules, which there are a few I also feel should be changed to be more pleasing looking. If you feel the type of format you're using could help enhance articles, please, do put the discussion forth =)

:In the mean time, no malice was intended with the formatting of the article [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 03:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Why did you revert [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=DrGamez&diff=166253&oldid=166215 this]? It's not really nice to have lots of unsourced rumors on an article about a real person. [[User:Hendrik18|Hendrik18]] 16:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Such list was not taken out, even when its user made edits to [http://furry.wikia.com/index.php?title=DrGamez&direction=next&oldid=64175 it], which either means that (A) they were written by him or (B) he didn't have a problem with them. That's why the revert,...

:But, looking at it again, even if the reasons listed above are correct, this kind of fluff writing belongs in the contributor's user page, which does have the same [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/User:DrGamez list] anyways, so re-reverting to your edit after all [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== My personal page ==

I respectfully request the future link 'Vampire' not be included (hence my removing it upon its addition the first time) as Queen Vampire is my title and my vampire mythos varies greatly from most the common ones found. They are a part of my history and those of my offspring. I do not want them lumped into the typical vampire definition. Please allow that removal. I also wonder why you have insisted on a future link regarding my home. It has no reason to be listed at all, and I do not want it listed now or in the future.

Yours sincerely,
Lady Tabyathe Foxhampton

:Wikipedia links are provided more information interesting information to potential reader to peruse, and it doesn't have to be really related, but if the biology, lore and history of your species is quite distinct from the established vampyr/vampire mythology, I will make sure it is not linked now, or in future edits.

:As for [[Fox Manor]], being a Wiki devoted to anything furry related, any information, names, or locales are open to be expanded into future articles to provide, once again, a more broader, varied and informative view of Furry. If you don't wish to expand on this matter/subject, I can delete the link format at your request [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

==Yo==
Consider this me contacting you personally, since I can't find an email. This is [[Colley]]. I don't want my personal information on my wikifur page. Please remove it.
You have access to my livejournal if you need to contact me and verify this.{{unsigned|12.219.171.207}}

== Why do you want [[Colley]] to be harassed? ==

I can't think of any other reason why you'd disregard [http://colley.livejournal.com/479346.html his own statements about what he approves on his page] but insist on putting his real name there against his wishes and subsequently protecting it. That's rather hostile of you.

:His real name will be removed [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Please also remove my name from drewkitty. If you insist on being tedious, please E-mail drewkitty@gmail.com and I will verify the removal. Otherwise I complain to other admins. 3 November 2007

::: The tone of your comment is unnecessary. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:If he wanted his edits to be taken seriously, he should have made them under his own name and not have mixed them in with other edits adding stupidity to the page - no matter how much he "approves" of such edits. It is not reasonable to expect administrators to proactively check people's LiveJournals before reverting such nonsense. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== I need help ==

Excuse me Mr. Spirou, why are all the external article of the [[Butch]] series requesting to be merged, I would agree that this would be a good idea for this, but the Butch article isn't made to have all the information on it, it's made to be a directional page for the other articles, not all he information is there and it's incomplete. - [[User:McBowser|McBowser]] 02:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

:Most webcomic articles have all the information that's currently fragmented across Wikifur under one entry (Comic, premise, characters, locations,...) In the current state, a reader would need to make several article jumps instead of finding all related information under one heading.

:As for length, currently all the articles related to this comic are under the "stub" size, so they could easily be assimilated under one entry. [[Sequential Art]] is an example of how to format a webcomic article for this Wiki - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 04:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

::But i did that because, i didn't get any kind of replys when made the last comment, and the only time when i did get a response is after i deleted the tags. i took off the merge tab because, the articles they arn't finished and all the informatin hasn't been placed there yet, i went to most of the articles here that talked about web-comics and the reason they merged together is becase there doesn't seem to be that much information on it, it just lloks a few paragraphs telling the main idea and some synopsis notes. - [[User:McBowser|McBowser]] 04:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== drewkitty ==

I hate to be rude. You can see clearly in my user page that I prefer to separate my personal and professional life. Just so we're clear: http://drewkitty.livejournal.com/238637.html

You provide me with an E-mail address and I will send you a message to that effect. I note that *you* are anonymous. I note further in your user talk page that you have been slow to respond to other reasonable requests to delete real names.

Don't motivate me to break your anonymity or to involve other admins. -- drewkitty 3 November 2007 {{unsigned|drewkitty}}

:Please do not threaten our administrators when you are asking us to do you a favour. We are willing to work with you on information that you consider personal as long as you are willing to work with us. A confrontational tone is not necessary or helpful.

:Also, a clarification - a user page is "your page", while [[Drewkitty]] is "the page about you". This might seem like quibbling over terms, but the difference is important, as you can see from, say, [[User:Colley]] and [[Colley]]. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:: Respecting the privacy of persons who are not celebrities is not a favor, but a basic expectation of running a public service. While I disagree with your characterization of my comment above, feeling that turnabout is indeed fair play, I appreciate your team's prompt action on this issue and consider this matter closed. drewkitty 3 November 2007 {{unsigned|drewkitty}}

:: "''You can see clearly in my user page that I prefer to separate my personal and professional life. Just so we're clear: http://drewkitty.livejournal.com/238637.html''" Actually, we can't see it clearly: "''Error. You are not authorized to view this protected entry.''" Just FYI - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 02:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

::: Once my identity had been clearly established, I locked the post. I wish I had saved the comment you posted to the IP I was using. Since I did not, I'll settle for expressing my satisfaction that this issue was promptly resolved. drewkitty 3 November 2007 {{unsigned|drewkitty}}

== 205.211.159.44 ==

I think a month block without any warnings first is a bit too harsh for this IP address.

When I was at MFF I heard complaints about the security person from multiple people(though I wasn't affected and didn't hear any specifics), so there may or may not be a grain of truth in the complaint. As written, the article wasn't acceptable, so I don't mind scrapping it and having them start over. --[[User:Rat|Rat]] 19:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

:All right, will throttle back blocking to warning. All though using Wikifur as a personal public venting medium, or creating a (fake/POV) article for the sole purpose of maligning somebody (deserved or not) doesn't precisely look like to be a "warning" only case - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

== Bizarro (Dec. 11th, 2007) ==

[http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/bizarro.asp Hmm?] (=/ [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

: And a permalink for archive purposes :B http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/Bizarro.asp?date=20071211 --[[User:Robomilk|Tori Belliachi]] 22:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::Cute that was one of my coworkers that brought it up to me =) "Isn't this about the people on that [[CSI]] coyote (fursuit) episode"? [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 22:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

==Message from '''''LDEJRuff'''''==
I tried to take the matter to e-mailing [[User:njhcerebus|Njhcerebus]], but he has not read his e-mail, nor has he sent me a reply. I don't even know what the heck he's doing right now. Well, I made a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38HQ3kFN5Vk video] that talks about his YouTube account being closed and his not checking his deviantART message.
And today's my birthday, so wish me a happy one.
~~'''''[http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:LDEJRuff LDEJRuff]'''''~~ ([http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LDEJRuff talk]) 12:22, 13 December 2007 (EDT)
* Never mind. He read his message, and, earlier, I found out that he has a new YouTube account. Sorry for the inconvenience.
: ~~'''''[http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:LDEJRuff LDEJRuff]'''''~~ ([http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LDEJRuff talk]) 13:03, 14 December 2007 (EDT)

== Radio BBF? ==

I see Radio BBF is in your WikiFur To do list (on your user page). I did a websearch and am unsure of what Radio BBF is. Is it related to BigBlueFox? --[[User:EarthFurst|EarthFurst]] 21:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes. The image is a placeholder for a future article, hopefully - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 05:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Recent User Talk page protection (User talk:Mozdoc) ==

I see the note you left on the page before you protected it but usually talk pages are not protected unless vandalism is an ongoing problem. May I suggest unprotecting the page, so discussion may take place on this most recent request for exclusion? -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 05:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Ah, I see the note GreenReaper left earlier, hmm. I sincerely doubt that the request will be honored, but a discussion should still be made. How would you suggest going about it? -- [[User:JSharp|JaeSharp]] 05:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it's open again to registered users (we had it at Sysops only,) see how we go from here regarding this situation,... - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== M ==

Why was my page REVERSE-EDITED again? Its my damn page, I can make it say what I damn well please. I'm putting the edits back, and this time they'd better stay.

--Mozdoc{{unsigned|Mozdoc}}

Whats a way to get ahold of you on IM?

By the way your user page says what the users want it to say, not what you want it to say. I sure with I could edit up the lies in my page, but I cant really.

[[User:76.115.129.76|76.115.129.76]] 00:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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