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Talk:Banrai

2006-04-21T02:10:52Z

68.119.231.108: /* Not True */

Someone went to a lot of effort to assemble [http://www.livejournal.com/users/lukadia/174299.html The Banrai Files], alleging Banrai as a plagiarist. I'm not really sure exactly how interpret the wiki's policy of not harming people in a case like this, so I'll just err on the side of making the link obscure, here in the Talk section. -- [[User:Sebkha|Sebkha]] 11:12, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:See if you can research it further before you link it and contact the people involved and mentioned. Maybe even contact the person themselves though that might be further down the list of people to talk to so we don't end up with another Blanked article. o_o Ensure and explain to everyone you are trying to tell the story with a neutral point of view and what the wiki stands for. Try and then present the balanced sides of the argument. It doesn't have to be a lot, something even as small as a paragraph as long as its well constructed saying something like, this was alleged and claimed by party x after event y. Website z was created and lists thing and stuff. Subject p continues to refute the claims, citing that party x had previous doing t and that events y and q are fictitious. Then place a link under External Links with 'Claims by Party x over the events of y'. --[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] - [[User talk:Nidonocu|talk]] [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 11:24, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Sept. 9 Edit ==

Here's the line I removed...

:''On Sept 9th she [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Talk:Altaedeus&diff=prev&oldid=10905 mistakenly deleted a page on Wikifur], and is now being scrutinized for it.''

I just don't see where something like that belongs in a WikiFur entry. [[User:CarlFox|Carl Fox]] 03:12, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:After reading through [http://www.livejournal.com/users/lukadia/174299.html The Banrai Files], and seeing that not only did she blank the talk page for [[Altaedeus]], but then replaced the contents with her own version of events, I do not believe it was an accidental deletion. I believe it was in fact an attempt to stifle discussion on the subject. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 14:14, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Speaking of edits.. Where did we lose the paragraph on her association with [[Altaedeus]]?: --[[User:66.209.15.234|66.209.15.234]] 19:15, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Banrai herself seems to have removed it, in [http://furry.wikicities.com/index.php?title=Banrai&diff=prev&oldid=12066 this edit]. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 19:51, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== BITCH HERE ==

Hey Banrai, this is Ashley (Junkupshowup) please do not talk about me in your page. I do believe you have more interesting information about yourself than any problems you have with me, so please leave me out of it.

::Facts should be left. I don't see a problem with what's listed. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 10:31PM EST, 18 APR 2006

:::I think "drama" should be left off of actual entries, as each side has its own opinion and there's not really a "factual" side to it from a neutral standpoint. I personally think it should be moved to your User page. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 04:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Banrai, if you want facts then why not let "The Banrai Files" in on your page also since that has tons of research compared to your recollection of some useless drama. Also, removing that picture that has me from your page, it was taken with my camera and has me in it and I do NOT want it here or anywhere.

:::::'The Banrai Files' are over and done with, I apoligized for what happened and it's over. I'm really sorry that's the only leg you have to stand on. Now please, stop trolling my page. As for your removal of the image, that's fine. I'll just substitute it for one taken with my camera. But I do ask that you remove that photo, as well as all the artwork of mine you have hosted, from your photobucket account. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

::::Spazkitty, how can events that actually happened _not_ be factual? I changed some of the wording with help of a neutral 3rd part, to make it as neutral as possible. Simple facts were stated, it only go ta little wordy due to the need for some explination. I'm in the process of consulting GR on this. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 6:06PM EST, 19 APR 2006

:::::I find the fact that you changed it to "BITCH HERE" when I commented on your improper spelling further proof that you are trying to start drama.

== Furry Cruise 2005: Bahamas ==

I'm discomfited by the Furry Cruise 2005: Bahamas section, which seems gossipy and of little relevance. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 05:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:I agree. See my comment above. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

== Personal protection ==

Banrai has [[User talk:GreenReaper#Requesting page protection|requested]] that edits to this page be restricted under the terms of our [[WikiFur:Personal information|personal information]] policy. I intend to implement this protection within a day or so unless consensus is otherwise. Your thoughts are welcome. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 06:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:I can see very few edits which were made by someone other than Banrai herself or known Wikifur uses (most of them admin). I don't understand why the article needs to be protected. -- [[User:Sine|Sine]] 07:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:I can see absolutely no reason for protection for this page. In the slew of edits that have been made, there is only one (one!) which alters the content in a way that Banrai may disagree with. I would remind her of the text at the bottom of every edit page: '''''If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''''' ----[[User:DuncanDaHusky|DuncanDaHusky]]([[User talk:DuncanDaHusky|talk]]) 12:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

::I've requested this protection, per [http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/WikiFur:Personal_information#Some_people_just_don.27t_want_other_people_writing_about_them this] section of the [[Personal Information]] policy. My reasoning is that, frankly, it makes me uncomfortabble that any joe schmo can come along and write whatever they'd like on my page. I've allowed the inclusion of some 'potentially negitive' information about myself, due to the fact that it IS teh wiki way, but I want that information left-be. GreenReaper knows my feelings on this, and if anyone else wants a more detailed explination they're more than welcome to go to my [[user:Banrai|userpage]] and get my contact information to discuss it further. -- [[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 09:09, 20 April 2006 (EST)

:I think it should only be protected if the "gossip"-y parts from the convention blurbs are removed, as mentioned by Sine above. [[User:SpazKitty|Spaz Kitty]] 16:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:I don't think it should be protected given the nature of this person, also if it must be then why not remove all the gossip first? I don't think whining about Junkupshowup belongs on here. If people want to whine about me why not do it on my discussion page?

::The very real events that happened between you and myself are not gossipy, it's simply a statement of the facts of what happened. I'm sorry you can't live with what you did, sweetie, but I forgive you that. Facts are the Wiki way, after all. -- [[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

== Not True ==

On the last evening of the cruise Junkupshowup became very rude with Banrai and attempted to cause a scene. Banrai returned to Junkupshowup's mother who, upon hearing the situation, promptly went and reprimanded her daughter. Afterword, junkupshowup's mother came to the room Banrai and her daughter shared, and packed Junkupshowup's things and prepared them for exiting the ship. Later that evening Junkupshowup burst into the room, shouting and threatening Banrai. Banrai was forced to have ship security remove Junkupshowup from the room.

Junkupshowup had been passing around a sketchbook that was not hers during the cruise.

Junkupshowup used the aforementioned cellphone to call Kasan and inform him that she had not seen Banrai since they had left the docks.

She quickly ran when she discovered whom she had ran into. Later she approached Korrok and told her that Banrai was 'violent' and she was 'scared of her'.

::Sorry, but just claiming that the events didn't happen doesn't make the truth go away. I changed the name to make it more vauge, however I regret to say that your name is still left as being my room mate. goD knows next you'll be claiming you were never my room mate to begin with. Also, could you please learn to sign your posts. It's really not that hard, and if you need help you can always look here: [[Help]]. -- [[Banrai|Banrai]] 20 APR 2006 8:16PM EST

:::Funny, I thought ''you'' were the one who said a certain person was never your room mate . . .

:::At this point it appears to be one person's word against another person's word. This is not a good situation to be in. Do either of you have proof of what you are claiming, or are we just going to have to go to "person X says Y, while person Y disagrees?" For example, is Korrok willing to say anything here? First-person testimony is somewhat more reliable. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I've dropped Korrok a note, she should be replying soon. [[Kasan]] would also be more than pleased, I'm sure, to put in his account of what happened, both as he spoke to me about what was happening while I was ON the cruse, the phoning afterword from the allegedly stolen cellphone, as well as the happenings at FWA. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]

:::::Kasan here. The parts that I can validate completly, are first, [[junkupshowup]] called me at about 3 in the afternoon on the departing day of the cruise from her personal cellphone, stating that [[Banrai]] needs severe psyciatric counseling. When i asked her where [[Banrai]] was, she simply replied "Not a clue, i left her at the dock". I later learned from airport security that Banrai had been abandonded at the dock, and that Gobby's mom had left her cab fare. This I learned after about a 2 hour panic. Fast forward to FWA. Whilest in suit, Gobby confused me for Korrok and wasn't pleased to learn I wasn't Korrok but was instead Banrai's husband. She ran pretty quick after that. That occured in the Artists alley infront of a few dozen furs. (Anjel Kitty and Ahkanna that I remember, and knew who they were)--[[User:Kasan|Kasan]] April 20, 10:09pm EDT

Talk:Atladean

2006-03-06T14:59:25Z

68.119.231.108: /* Removal of information */

==Redirect==
Since all the drama surrounding the name 'Altaedeus' is being dropped, I have added a forward to the new name of the MUD project/World Project. If there are any questions, I beseach you to read [http://www.livejournal.com/users/lukadia/249709.html?mode=reply this]. --[[user:banrai|Banrai]]

:Since this is the same topic, just a new name, I've moved the page here, so as to preserve the page history. Moving a page automatically puts a redirect to the new name. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 06:34, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
::However, none of the things listed now in this 'discussion' reflect anything about this new project. Frankly, I propose it be removed due to that non-reflection. This project is totally different from the 'Altaedeus' project, however is the same, at the same time. The origional Altaedeus was a stolen world, and then the entire world changed, but the name remained teh same. Now the name, as well, has changed, making the last step towards breaking from the old idea. Therefore, I feel, there is no need for the discussion of the elde project to follow. Furthermore, the MUD is only a very SMALL side project with all of this. The world itself is just that. It's a world from which stories come, comics will be made, et cetra. It's teh world where all of my characters live. If you'll notice, the MUD is only mentioned at the very end, for that reason. So please, remove the discussion page, and let it start anew. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]
:::I've recieved no response, so I've taken the liberty of removing the irrelevant information. This project is _NOT_ a MUD, it is an entire world-project. The MUD is only a small part of it. If you would like, I will create a seperate WIKI entry for the MUD itself, for justification of keeping the previous information intact. Otherwise, it simply isn't necessary. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]]
::::''13 hours'' is a bit quick to arbitrarily remove a bit of information, don't you think? Lack of comments does not necessarily mean that it's okay to delete an entire discussion.
::::Be that as it may, I archived the discussion at [[Talk:Atladaen/Archive1]] and linked to it from the bottom of this page. That will preserve the discussion, but keep off of this page. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 00:12, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
:::::That is more than acceptable. Thank you. --[[user:banrai|Banrai]]

::::I would also like to note for the record that it is a good idea to wait '''at least a day''' for replies to messages posted to the community. Many only have time or access to visit once a day, if that.

::::Moreover, the editing (''particularly'' removal) of sections of talk pages is not something that should be gone about in a heavy-handed manner. When you remove entirely the signed text of people, you are removing statements of their opinions, which is usually only done by people with opposing opinions - either in the hope of stifling such opinions, or to avoid others reading them. Regardless of your true motivations, that is how it can appear. A note at the top asserting that the initial topic of the page had moved on would have been sufficient, or moving to an archive as Dmuth did with the above note.

::::The talk page also reflected the evolution of the actual topic. In a way, it was part of its history. Remember that WikiFur is here to record the past, not just the present.

::::For more information about actual refactoring rather than moving, see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages|Wikipedia's page on the subject]]. --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 03:08, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

== Archives ==

* [[Talk:Atladaen/Archive1]]

== Removal of information ==

May I ask what the "copyright registration" concerns are which prompted the removal of an entire section from this article? -- [[User:Siege|Siege]] 19:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
:The concern is that information is more secure when not being posted all over the itnernet. As soon as the registration forms come back from the USPTO, the information will be replaced once again. Until that time, however, it is in our best interest to not have it posted publicly on the internet. --[[User:Banrai|Banrai]] 10:02, 6 March, 2006

Talk:Kimberleigh Ann Keister

2006-01-13T13:54:51Z

68.119.231.108:

There are some pretty serious accusations in this article that have no evidence backing them up. Let me count the ways:

# The complaint of her copying Kylen's work.
# Her "attacks" on the Road Rovers community and Kylen
# Her claims that she was the victim.

If anyone can provide links that back up some of these things, then so much the better! It would be enough to satisfy my POV concerns. --[[User:Dmuth|Dmuth]] 05:21, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)

: I can attest to item two. Kim has uploaded 'attack work' against Kylen to the VCL back in 2001. And, just this week, Kim uploaded a photomanipulation to her LiveJournal showing Kylen's head on an unknown naked woman's body. On item three, I can attest, but evidence has been removed as kim has just been banned from LJ. --[[User:Ch'marr|Ch'marr]] 08:01, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

::I go with #3,... She was pulling an "I'm right, everybody else is wrong!!!!1!" routine on both the FurAffinity and "Artists_Beware" LJ's forums that was... extremely painful to read through >.< She's now banned from both because of her behavior. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 08:33, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes. I banned her myself after she created some faux-story of her being hacked. I checked her account, checked the logs, no IP had logged into her account except her own. I'm not sure why she fabricated the story, since it didn't further her purpose, but I had to remove her from the site.

:::The long history of evidence now and before supports the allegations - be it from the Road Rover's fandom, VCL, FA and various aspects of the LJ commnity.

:::On a side note, the IP that Giza banned was KAK/Kim's own IP. It looks like she was trying to "defend" herself on Wiki from the entry about her, but went about it the wrong way. KAK's style is to rush in and scream "I'LL SUE!". [[User:Preyfar |Preyfar]]

:Might want to step in here and say you could also check out [http://www.kimmaugh.info Kimmaugh.info] [[User:Banrai | Banrai]]