Talk:Jim Hardiman

2015-11-13T21:04:10Z

108.223.138.98: that a ded fictional leezard

I think there are a couple of inaccuracies in the article that should be dealt with... one, Desiree doesn't "draw his comics for him." They both work together on a lot of pieces, yes, but the article implies that she's working for him or some such.

He still does artwork as best as he can with his medical condition, although he finds the rampant piracy of his stuff to be frustrating.

And I think to say that "he never returned" sounds pretty final. "Has yet to return" may be more fitting.--[[Special:Contributions/172.161.23.201|172.161.23.201]] 08:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:I've made a few changes and several additions. I'm still not ''entirely'' sure whether the "friend" bit is appropriate, but I don't know the situation, so I'm leaving it there. :-) --{{UT|GreenReaper}} 09:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

::Made a few more minor changes. Want to indicate that he occasionally posts up new works on various chan-style imageboards, but wasn't sure how. I know I see him doing new red-pencil and occasionally even inked works on Onechan and Yiff FAP. [[User:Incognit000|Incognit000]] 19:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

:Well, I finally got the eye surgery I've been needing for the past several years. I reckon it'll only be a matter of weeks before I start kicking ass in the art department again. Got a lot of catching up to do! Thanks for the entries, by the way. And what questions do you have about Des? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.153.227.212 ([[User talk:72.153.227.212|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.153.227.212|contribs]]) 03:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC) 

::I think the item in question is primarily the quote-marks around the word ''friend''. I've changed that slightly, and added a bit about the chans, as well as your mailing list. -- [[User:Siege|Siege]]([[User talk:Siege|talk]]) 20:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

::Yep, basically what Siege said - the implication of it wasn't entirely clear, and we try to avoid having articles imply stuff that isn't clear or accurate. That's great news on the eye surgery! Sorry it took you so long to get it, but I hope the results will be worth it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 21:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Jim Just recently had a kidney transplant too.I dunno if anyone knows about it or not.I am a member of his fan site so I get regular updates on his health.Hes also talking about only releasing newer material on his website to prevent piracy -[[User:Sniffindahouse|Sniffindahouse]] 05:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Too freakin' right Jim and Desiree "worked together" -- they were one and the same!

== Update forthcoming? ==

Recently spoke with Hardiman and was told that up-to-date info about himself, health issues, and the whole "Desiree" deal will be brought forth when he gets his site back online. He stated he was growing tired of the behavior of certain people within the fandom, and said it would be best to set the record straight by posting IRL info about himself and the real "Desiree". He also said photos from 1990 were recently uploaded to his FA page (user name Skunkworks) showing the two of them together. I don't know if this will help complete the "Desiree=Jim Hardiman" article or not, but thought it was of possible interest and decided to post it here.

Will post links or infrmation when the Skunked.com website is operational. --[[User:Belltower|Belltower]] 08:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Tone ==

This article has the sort of simpering, lickspittle tone that gives Wikifur a negative reputation as a "fandom hugbox". It is clearly defensive of Hardiman and makes a blatant effort to defend him against criticism and to attack his critics. It could, at the least, be written slightly more neutrally and with some of the more obvious obsequiousness removed.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.17.251.234 ([[User talk:75.17.251.234|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.17.251.234|contribs]]) 08:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC) 

:Sounds to me like we got a hater here. ----Sniffindahouse 10:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

::Sounds to me like you're proving a point here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.169.149.223 ([[User talk:66.169.149.223|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/66.169.149.223|contribs]]) 00:45, 26 January 2010 

:::Well, when adding "The text that accompanied the images was openly insulting towards gays, emos, and fetishists outside of Hardiman's area of art", you just replaced one opinion with another. Who claimed that it was insulting, where? Even better, what did it say? We're not censored for minors; a brief quote may be appropriate so that readers can make their own minds up as to the level of insult. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 01:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

:The article is not protected. If you feel the tone is inappropriate, you are welcome to edit it. --[[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]]([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 19:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

::There. I've transcribed Hardiman's homophobic ranting about tolerance being forced on him and fearmongering about gay rape. I'd like to claim some sort of payment (like punching him in the face), but I guess my suffering will just be for the sake of putting it there. I snagged the image from where he posted it and a few others here: http://fchan.us/artist/res/864.html "No malice intended" indeed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.140.224.90 ([[User talk:75.140.224.90|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.140.224.90|contribs]]) 17:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC) 

:::"There. I've transcribed Hardiman's homophobic ranting about tolerance being forced on him and fearmongering about gay rape. I'd like to claim some sort of payment (like punching him in the face), but I guess my suffering will just be for the sake of putting it there." A ban for intimidation and bodily threats will be more appropriated. [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 01:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

:::: Oh look. Wikifur is trying to cover up for a popular artist again. How shocking. Did Jim draw you any art to be his bitch, or did you whore out what little integrity you have for free? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.17.251.234 ([[User talk:75.17.251.234|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.17.251.234|contribs]]) 21:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC) 

::::: ''"You're tough when your opponent's on the internet,"'' sez Anon =) ''"typical for a furry"'' but I thought you were a fellow furry trying to help, riiiiight - [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 21:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Desiree Lee controversy ==

I'm having mixed feelings on whether or not to revert the recent removal of the controversy section discussing the speculation that Desiree Lee may be an alter-ego of Jim Hardiman. On one paw, it's been lacking references for quite some time. On the other paw, the speculation has gotten around enough that it makes the article seem incomplete not to at least mention it. It goes without saying that in the absence of any compelling evidence one way or the other, Wikifur should not take sides on the issue. Also, this section as it was is probably longer than necessary and could probably be pared down to a sentence or two. Thoughts? Agreements or disagreements? --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

:I was under the assumption that it was the goal of Wikifur to present information about the fandom in a factual manner. I happen to know from several conversations with Jim that Desiree Lee is in fact a real person ("Desiree" isn't even her real name) and that hes sick of all the slanderous lies people have been spreading about them. Its not really anyones business in the first place and I think he deserves more respect than what has been given toward him. --[[User:Sniffindahouse|sniffindahouse]] 06:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

::That would be a correct assumption. If rumors and speculation exist on a question such as whether Desiree Lee is an alter-ego of Jim Hardiman, we would want to make clear in any mention of them here that they are just that, rumors and speculation. It would be wrong of us to present any such rumors as facts without a solid basis for doing so, but that such rumors exist is a fact that may deserve mention here. As for whether they should be mentioned in this particular case, that's arguable either way, so to that question I'm going to step back for now and let others weigh in. --[[User:Mwalimu|mwalimu]] 15:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

::: Odd she disappeared from the face of the earth when he grumbled his way off this mortal coil, isn't it? I guess she just "got tired of the fandom". Again.

==News about death==
News is circulating on social media that Jim Hardiman has passed away on August 29. http://www.barnesfamilyfunerals.com/obituaries/view/304 I'd post but I'm not that good at the wiki thing on how to put this in his wiki page, so I'm posting it in discussion. --[[User:Toboe Wolfyote|Toboe Wolfyote]] ([[User talk:Toboe Wolfyote|talk]]) 14:59, 4 September 2014 (EDT)

Can we get some verification on his death? I get the feeling its just a hoax/misinformation.
Who exactly told the admins @ http://www.furaffinity.net he died? --[[User:sniffindahouse]]

== Regarding my recent edit ==

Hey man Spirou why did you completely wiped out what I wrote? I don't understand as what I wrote has relevance and is factual. I worked hard on that and you just erased it like it was nothing.
I really don't appreciate that. - [[User:Sniffindahouse]]

Talk:Desiree Lee

2015-11-13T20:59:11Z

108.223.138.98: She ded.

==The "Desiree Lee=Jim Hardiman" fiasco==
Reinstated this dubious assertion, as it is repeated ad nauseam as much and often as the furry lore of [[TDK]]=[[Eric W Schwartz]], and we have this last one archived in those entries. If thinks is not relevant or inappropriate, will delete it, but I have seen this "discussion" so many times, so many places, I thought maybe it should be mentioned.

Also, anybody know the address of the still up and running parody site mention on the article?. Thanks [[User:Spirou|Spirou]] 07:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

* Considering she hasn't shown up to throw one of her trademark fits anywhere since Hardiman croaked, I'd say we've got our answer. Desiree died when the brain she resided in (Hardiman's) did.

==Parody site==

Her parody work used to be on www.jabarchives.com, even after she left the site. It was still there until the Jab archives had server problems, and many artists had to reinstall their sites. Hers did not return. {{unsigned|Belltower}}

==Information about incident==
From [[User:Belltower|Belltower]]'s 13:26, 26 December 2006 edit:
<blockquote>From what I can recall, Desiree left the Jab archives after a conflict with the webmaster. She had designed a character, which was actually owned and registered (copyrighted) to Jim Hardiman, for use on the Jab site. (The character was intended for Desiree's "By the Tail" site). The images Desiree produced for the site were the extent of the character's involvement, but then other artists, as well as the webmaster, began portraying the character in ways it was not meant to be portrayed. This ticked off Desiree, and there was a big scuffle about it. In the end, the webmaster changed the site mascot to a different character, and Desiree pulled her site down. I think the February 2006 comic from her "By the Tail" site hints to this.</blockquote>

At the very least, I think this needs some wikifying before reinsertion. - [[User:DataBank|DataBank]] 21:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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