Talk:Furtopia/Archive1

Ok, Sine? I have no idea how to contact you on your talk thing. You want something that shows she is no longer on staff? I sent an email to Duncan da Husky. I am Kaycy aka (Kada-Ru) 1/2 creator/owner of furtopia.org.

Peaches resigned her position last night. [quote removed]

On another note, I thought that if I created an 'account' I would be able to contact you. I have a feeling it is actually a wiki page like this. Please remove it for me as I don't wish to have a personal wiki.

Also, I noticed on the admins page where it states what the admins can do, I would like to have the page protected. I want just the wiki admins, myself, WhiteShepherd and Benjamin to make changes to this page. No one else should have access.


 * OK, a couple of things here. First off, the reason that your edits were reverted is that it is standard policy to revert unexplained removal of information, particularly with anonynous edits. The optimal place to do this is to click on the "Discussion" tab at the top of each article page, but e-mailing an admin works as well, though it might take a bit longer.


 * As for the removal of Peaches from the staff listing, I think that you have provided adequate information for that, and have shown that you are someone who would know this information. That should settle that matter.


 * By creating an account, you have not created a wiki page about you. I would note that there is a red link to your name in the Furtopia article, which means that if someone felt so moved, they could create an article about you. While we can exclude you from the wiki, that is considered an option of last resort. A marginally better solution might be that you could write a page about yourself, and we could make it editable only by you (obviously, the optimal solution would be to not worry about who can edit it at all, since we keep a pretty tight rein on vandalism here).


 * Finally, as for protecting the Furtopia article, there's two things: Number one, either an article can be edited by admins only, or by admins and one person only. We have no way that i know of to make it editable by multiple individuals. The more important issue is the fact that WikiFur is a community project, meaning that the goal is to develop and improve articles as a community. As we say in our Protected page guidelines:
 * Ultimately, remember that protected pages happen when the community has failed to solve a problem, be it persistent vandalism, spamming, or edit warring. Some of these problems are insoluble and can only be resolved with blocking, but if there is a better solution, try to find it before (or after) protecting a page.


 * As you have witnessed firsthand, edits which are perceived as vandalism are reverted quite quickly by administrators. Working by those guidelines, I honestly don't see a compelling argument to protect this article.


 * Please let us know if you have any other comments or concerns. DuncanDaHusky(talk) 12:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. WhiteShepherd, Benjamin and myself are the admins of Furtopia and that is why I suggested them. With these three names you will be in the know of who does have authority to make any changes while everyone else does not. :)

Yes, I have seen where edits by disgruntled members that have been banned have been removed quickly and I do appreciate that. Deviouswolfie being one of them.

I hope I am adding my comments correctly as I am not sure how to do ANYTHING on here except edit a page. I will admit I was getting quite frustrated yesterday trying to figure out how to comment to Sine's request.

Thank you for your time and help and I will leave my wiki thing up. Thank you.

I'd like to say something here. Have you heard of wikipedia? Of course you have, it's the huge, free collective of encyclopaedic data. This site runs on the same software as wikipedia, namely MediaWiki. Now, the entire wiki concept was created to service a community - In the original wiki's case, the programming community. This wiki is, of course, a wiki for the furry community. The wiki concept is based around the rather noble idea that everyone in the community counts, so everyone in the community should have the right to influence that community - by editing pages in a wiki, to further the collective of knowledge the wiki provides. Demanding to be the sole editor of a wiki page is akin to demanding to be the only person who can walk in a town square, or to be the only person who can use a public internet cafe. If you want to have a page about Furtopia which you are the sole editor(s) of, then why not create one on your own servers, editable only by you? The wiki is a free-speech zone, grown not by a central group, but by a dynamic population of users. --Brushwell Clinton 15:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

RebelKat
RebelKat resigned his position on 7-5-06.


 * Oh, and I should also add ( and I can back this up with a witness statement) that RebelKat did not resign -- he was voted off the staff team on account of Peaches (his mate) leaving shortly before. --Brushwell Clinton 15:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * And I should also add that this point would be moot even if you were right (which you're not) and has nothing to do with this wiki. I recommend that you drop the subject. It's a waste of time. Benjamin 03:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, this wiki page has everything to do with Furtopia, rather obviously. I can provide full witness accounts from at least one impartial witness to back up my claim. And I do not appreciate sarcasm, thank you. --Brushwell Clinton 13:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The only possible witnesses to a staff vote would be the staff members themselves, so impartiality would be impossible. Again, this has nothing to do with this wiki, meaning it has nothing to do with politicking, lying, and trolling. This wiki does not discuss departures of staff members, nor does it need to. Again, this topic is a waste of time. Benjamin 14:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I would say that unless the events have a great effect upon the fandom or are at least somewhat significant and controversial to a large percentage of people who go there (taking the Furnet and Anthrochat split on IRC as an example, that was certainly a very big event), it does not need to be included in this particular article. Moreover, the inclusion of such topics are likely to simply make the article start swaying away from NPOV, so one should be *very* careful even if they are significant enough to be introduced. From what I know of what's happened so far, it's not. --Scani 16:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I still need to write that up, don't I? So many todos . . . --GreenReaper(talk) 14:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * As it happens, WikiFur has included discussions of staff member departures from several furry communities - for example, Sociopolitical Ramifications - and I expect it to continue to do so.


 * Whether this particular case is sigificant to the article or not is up to those who know the topic - in some cases, it is, in other cases it is not. It generally depends on what the effect is on the community. However, in any detailed history there is probably going to be some mention of staff arrivals and departures (see FurryMUCK), and if you're going to state why a person left, that statement should be accurate.


 * If such a statement is disputed, then it will be up to you to decide whether or not you wish to provide information that would back up your view of the events. I'm not sure why "impartial witnesses" are necessary. You're a staff member, right? You can either tell the whole situation truly as you see it, or say nothing as per your policy. If you decide to say nothing, though, or don't provide any proof, then it's hard to deny the words of others, as you have nothing to confirm what you say. Such evidence wouldn't have to be on the page itself, but it should be somewhere where people can read it, otherwise it's not a reference (because it can't be referenced :-). The best way to avoid that situation is to ensure that the statement is entirely accurate, as then it will never be challenged - or if it is, you can easily prove it. --GreenReaper(talk) 00:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Putting this to rest!
Posted: July 04 2006, 10:37 pm (RK stepped down in his leaving the mod status in his good bye thread)

Posted: July 06 2006, 9:10 pm Ok being 48hrs, I officialy close this vote. (RK was voted to be removed from his position as a mod.

Sorry but HE stepped down BEFORE a final vote was taken.

Normally all this is not publicised but considering outsiders are not being told the truth, here are the facts. Seeing as RebelKat's stepping down post was on our open forums I feel it is not inappropriate to post it here.

RebelKat Tiger (gold and yellow) Unlucky Tiger

^ DaddyKat and my Paulie!^ Group: Members (A) Posts: 1574 Joined: Sep. 2004 Posted: July 04 2006, 10:37 pm Hey all! You all might notice that my status has been restored to Member. Well, there's some reasons for this and I thought I might share them with you all.

First and foremost, however, I would like to tell you that it has absolutely been my pleasure to serve as a Mod for the almost year and a half since Kada picked me for the vote. I thank you all for making this time so special to me.

Alas, my time has been so spread out lately...with my Children growing up they require more and more "DaddyKat" time, which is my greatest pleasure to give them.

Those who have been either following my LJ or who are closest to me already know that things with my band have snowballed to the point of just about crazy. We are waiting for something....something MONUMENTAL that may possibly happen. so I'm afriad that any time away from my children MUST be directed elsewhere at this time.

So...it is with a heavy heart indeed that I officially step out of the Modlight and join the illustrious ranks of the members.....But please believe that in doing so, I am NOT leaving my home here at furtopia, and will still find time to chat with you in irc, or hunt you down for some good times at the next con! :)

In closing, let me just say thank you once again, and it has certainly been my pleasure.
 * bows*

Love to all, RebelKat

Now, there should be no more disputes as to whether RebelKat stepped down or not.


 * Thanks for the info - it does make things clearer. Looking at the dates and times stated, it sounds like you did in fact start such a vote earlier that day, before he stepped down. Perhaps that was the cause of the confusion - it seems reasonable to suggest that he stepped down as a result of the vote's proposal, even though it had not been completed at that time. If he felt a negative result was inevitable, I can see where he might have wanted to resign than to face mandatory expulsion. --GreenReaper(talk) 20:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * RebelKat had no access to the forum in which that vote was begun, so he would not have seen anything there to sway his decision. Benjamin 03:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We know you enjoy thinking you have to have the last word, Benjy, but let's just put this to rest now and stop bickering. --Brushwell Clinton 12:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please, everyone, keep comments related to the content, not the contributors. Thank you. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 14:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)