Talk:Mousey Love Girls

To Sage Freehaven Re: MLGs
Are there actually two "real" human female fans that claim that these are their fursonas?. Who made this claim?. Is there some reference we can use to back/deny this claim? -- Spirou 08:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While I'm not party to firsthand claims of such, various other people have heard about and posted about how two women (supposedly lesbians who refuse to play around with men, save for Herbie Bearclaw) are the basis for the MLG, and every post on messageboards that I've seen that are credited to the MLG are always written as if two people are sitting behind the computer (using pronouns like "we", "us"). As stated in the article, there is no proof to confirm the existence of the two women, though there is also no evidence to deny their existence other than the rampant speculation of most of the fandom who've run across the MLG.  --Sage Freehaven 09:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Speedy Delete: Not well known?
The MLG are fairly well known to members of various artists' mailing lists, including those related to Jim Hardiman and Max Blackrabbit; posts attributed to them have also been appearing on Fchan for the past several months. In fact, I believe they were posting to Furrynet even before the majority of well-known artists moved to private websites and mailing lists for sharing art. I vote to remove the Speedy Delete. -- Siege(talk) 12:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

MLG 2
I knew I should have wrote "not fairly commonly known" (I.e "Sabrina", "Chester", etc,...) But, since SpD is out, how do we reconcile the whole MLG=two real girls while other MLG=Herbie's fantasy only?. A Controversy section?. Or just mention the MLGs-the two female human fans, or that the MLGs are "based" on two female human fans?. Suggestions?.

(To tell you the truth, I have only seen the characters a few times, not as much as the Herbie bear "caricature" that seems to be a constant near them.) -- Spirou 18:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I say lead in with a description of the duo as characters, then have a "controversy" section that talks about who's behind the duo (the two women, as the MLG claim on imageboard posts, or Herbie Bearclaw, which a fair number of people believe) that makes sure to point out there's no evidence that either proves or disproves the existence of the two women that the MLG are (allegedly) based off of. --Sage Freehaven 18:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Multiple references
You know, if a claim needs a reference, you shouldn't be inserting multiple links to the same reference. -- Siege(talk) 04:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I've not been able to figure out how to aim all three claims in that one sentence to the same link, since people don't seem to accept a single reference to cover the whole sentence.

A Correction to be made, and some Circumstantial Evidence
I need to point out a rather major inaccuracy which seems to have been repeated a number of times, here.

Herbie Bearclaw is not the Herbie associated with the MLG.

The Herbie associated with the MLG goes by the nickname of FurryFelon. "Herbie Bear" is a "cutesy" nickname the girls use for him, as Herb is his real name. Every con badge I've ever seen him wear though, has had FurryFelon on it.

Myself and Cigarskunk make a yearly road trip from the PA area, out to memphis TN, for MFM. Cigarskunk and Herb share a room every year, and on occassion I've crashed in their room as well.

As for the MLG, I have never met them in person. Herb has a framed photograph of an attractive, nude blonde woman, which he brings to the convention and keeps on his bedside table, who appears to be a real-life likness of Charlene, the blonde MLG, and who he identifies as such. On occassion he has also received/made phone calls which were purported to be to/from them, there in the hotel room.

I have every reason to believe that they do exist, as I see no reason for Herb to playing a ruse upon me. However, I have not actually had contact with them apart from email. --Cobalt 06:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC) (comment edited June 27 by cobalt, to remove some real-world info)

"Citation Needed" and the Controversy section
Because of the nature of imageboards such as Sidechan, fChan, and Lulz, it's virtually impossible to have any sort of real citation stay up for an extended length of time. Thus, it may be wise to note this in the actual article.

Tidied
To expand on my edit summary: I've shuffled some things around for better flow (at least in my opinion; others can always disagree). I've moved the appearance section back up and put it into pargraph form rather than bullet points, which is easier to read and does not interrupt the flow. I've restored some direct quotes rather than paraphrasing; there's no need to paraphrase unless the source is really incomprehensible or chopped up for relevant bits, and direct quotations are especially important when the source is difficult to access. I've also futzed with the reference. The Yahoo! Group is named MouseyLoveGirls, and we're not pressed for space, so there's no reason to call it MLG. -- Sine 19:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots of / images from the Lulz threads
I recently unearthed copies of all six of the Mousey Love Girls threads from last year on my hard drive, and if you think it's prudent, I'm more than willing to take screenshots of specific posts in the threads that are relevant to the discussion on Charlene's "death" and the search for the truth behind it. And while I don't have all the images from the threads, I can upload what images I do have that are also relevant to the discussion. Sage Freehaven 23:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)