WikiFur talk:Encyclopedia Dramatica Vandal (Blu Aardvark)

This page needs this entire wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MER-C/Blu_Aardvark mixed into it. Tretonin 14:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for this page, as Aardvark has stopped vandalizing WikiFur. It now only exists to violate privacy. Redfur 04:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I suspect you are Blu Aardvark. Tretonin 04:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a convenient way for you to dismiss my contributions and go on violating his privacy for no reason, so I'm not surprised that you suspect that. However, as you can see, if you followed by edits more closely and weren't just reacting, I've forgotten to log in a couple times and have exposed my IP.  A WHOIS on said IP will show you that I am not.  Redfur 05:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So you claim you are someone else from Encyclopedia Dramatica, rather than on a proxy The Aardvark uses? Tretonin 05:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I claim nothing. I am not Blu Aardvark.  That's actually all I've stated, be careful when assuming.  Redfur 06:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Who are you on ED? Tretonin 06:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Who says I'm from ED? Furries aren't exactly welcome there, after all.  I just lurk in there IRC channel, partially to catch trolling.  Redfur 06:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, ED is pretty tolerant nowadays-SkippFox 07:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, enough about me. Why is Aardvark's personal info here?  He no longer vandalizes here as I understand.  Redfur 07:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * We keep track of repeat vandals so that we can better identify them and deal with them if future incidents occur. It's pretty standard over on WikiPedia, so we recently started doing the same here as well.  --Douglas Muth 18:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He hasn't vandalized since October. At what point is this personal info no longer useful?  Redfur 15:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He never actually vandalized in the first place. Lol wikifurfags. --209.237.76.126 19:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * IRLOL. --(Guess who) 01:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the zip code and IPs, basically the personal info is what he puts up on his websites that are linked to. It would be nice if one day Wikifur had an article on him in Category:Aardvark characters instead of simply a vandal page. Tretonin 08:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It'd be a good troll tactic against him, that's for sure. However, if you want an accurate furry database here, that would be a bad idea, since he's not a furry.  Redfur 09:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Merge
I actually think that this, and Blu Aardvark should both be deleted. He hasn't vandalised here for... months, and he isn't a furry. So why is he mentioned on here at all?-El, oh, el 08:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This page is utterly pointless, but I don't think the people here will be willing to delete it so I proposed a merge. Deafleas 09:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, right-El, oh, el 01:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete this drivel already
It's now simply being used as a platform to attack me and to expose personal information of mine. It is not, nor has it ever been, of any use to WikiFur. --Aardvark1878 16:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm ambivalent towards its presence here. Most of what you removed (and the areas which I just reverted) appears to be revealing your specific means of trolling and vandalism. As far as I'm concerned, these are not protected personal activities; I don't like them one bit, and I think that anything that potentially decreases it worldwide is a good thing. You do not have the right to remain anonymous if you use that ability to piss people off, nor if you use other people's computers in an attempt to remain anonymous. I have removed the redirect from the main namespace since it is inappropriate. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * From what I can see, Speedycat's recent additions were a direct consequence of learning more about your own actions earlier this year. You're trying to get it deleted at Wikipedia, too, and it won't fly here either. Perhaps it is not clear - the more trolling you do, the more will be recorded about your actions on the Internet, as others try to stop you. If you don't like these sorts of pages, don't participate in online trolling. It is hypocritical to complain about personal information being revealed when you have continued to abuse the ability to cloak your identity. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see, it's this request for checkuser. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Speedycat is the same user as Anomo on Wikipedia. He is a problem user who is essentially following me across various websites. Much of the bullshit he has added is outright libel and harassment, and has nothing at all to do with my activities on the various sites I allegedly disrupted. Please note that this vandal tracking page doesn't even exist to track actual vandalism. It was put up when I attempted to remove a ridiculous citation in the article on Encyclopedia Dramatica that was overly invasive and had no business being on WikiFur in the first place. And guess what? That citation is no longer there, because WikiFur's editors eventually stopped gazing at their navels. And abusing the ability to cloak my identity? I have not participated in any trolling on Wikipedia or indeed any other site for nearly a year now. In addition, I'm very open about who I am. --Aardvark1878 23:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, Wikipedia decided to stop gazing at their navels as well. The "vandal tracking" page that was subjected to abuse over there has now been removed. Wonder if and when the Wikifur users will come to grips with reality? --Aardvark1878 10:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's pick apart the current version real quicklike
"He initially went by the name 'Blu Aardvark' since at least July 2005. On various verson of his ED userpage he has listed various identities he has gone by. [www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:Blu_Aardvark&oldid=1997087932 This version of his userpage] states he uses Aardvark, JewboWales, Emocat, Yiffcat, Popecat and [www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:Blu_Aardvark&oldid=1997239061 this version of his userpage] states he uses Aardvark, JewboWales, Miltopia and this version [www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=User:Blu_Aardvark&oldid=1997242057] says he uses jewbowales, arlonharrison777, and phaze_captain77."

This lists various IRC handles I've used on ED's IRC channel, and IM handles that I still use. No benefit at all for vandal tracking.

"Since 2006, he has used botnets and compromised computers (the same thing large spammers do) to gain accessed to clean IP addresses not associated with proxies."

False and defamatory.

Despite associating 209.237.76.0/24 with himself (this likely is a high speed connection), he uses many dialup numbers in Oregon with varying IP ranges (even the first group of numbers will change) that may look different at first, but upon getting the word value of the IP, they all end in ptld.qwest.net, geotargetting to the same area in Oregon. This range is often used for vandalism as well as some troll identities including "Lateral", "The Real Deal", "RealDeal", and "MichaelLinnear".

An attempt to associate another Encyclopedia Dramatica user with myself. A pattern followed by problem user Anomo (we believe him to have originally used the handle "Samsara" on ED).

"In determining an Aarvark sock look for them having the same agenda, using the same exact unique phrases in edit summaries, and if unsure, wait until summer and see if they go on vacation at the same time."

Utterly nonsensical.

"The user will also claim to be ultra-religious (either Christian or Jewish) in trolling."

Deliberately inflammatory. --Aardvark1878 00:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As GreenReaper stated, you can't just go around trolling people and causing trouble, and then freak out when people call you on it. In addition to being hypocritical, it makes it look like you are trying to censor your critics.  How about this instead: stop doing naughty things, and people will eventually stop badmouthing you.
 * As for Speedycat, if he really is harassing you and libelling you, then I suggest you contact law enforcement and/or retain legal counsel. No, really.  Go right ahead.  --Douglas Muth 02:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Point out where I'm going around trolling people and causing trouble. Seriously. You can't. You can point to the "vandalism" that I allegedly performed here, but that was neither vandalism nor trolling. You can point to my activities on Wikipedia, but that stopped a long time ago. The only "naughty things" I am involved with now are that I still am active on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and this pisses the hell out of certain butthurt persons.
 * As for Anomo, I could claim harassment and libel, but he hides behind proxies and it would prove a prohibitive expense to take it to court even if I felt I could win. Or actually gave a shit in that regard. --Aardvark1878 02:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, nobody at all finds it fishy that User:Speedycat's first contributions on Wikifur entailed making his was to a secluded vandal tracking page and filling it with a bunch of shoddy "research"? --Aardvark1878 11:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Redux
This page is of no value to Wikifur, and is currently serving as an attack platform, rather than being used for it's stated purpose of tracking vandal activity. I would like it removed, but until that happens, I will be keeping this page watchlisted and removing any further abuse. --Aardvark1878 20:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

72.160.0.0/16 and 12.169.174.0/24 obsolete
72.160.0.0/16 and 12.169.174.0/24 are likely obsolete. More current ones are 209.237.76.0/24, 63.64.165.0/24, and IPs with the hostname ending in ptld.qwest.net --Speedycat 02:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're still trying to link me to MichealLinnear, aren't you? You don't realize that we are physically on the opposite sides of the state? And that Oregon is a fucking huge state? I'm going to have to keep an eye on this page, and to abuses on this page. You are accusing me of engaging in criminal hijack of systems with zero evidence, in addition to maintaining a massive amount of bullshit. --Aardvark1878 10:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So 209.237.76.0/24 is MichaelLinnear? Well you use that. Scroll up on this page. Speedycat 09:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again your research is shoddy as hell. I'm not going to bother to correct you. --Aardvark1878 10:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No 67.42.xxx.xx is me. MichaelLinnear 03:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

WHY this page should be wasted
I find it mind-boggling that the administrators persist in keeping a page that serves to be nothing but a drama magnet, a site of persistent trolling, and contains information that honestly doesn't contribute anything to Wikifur, now that Aardvark (who spammed once, and hit roughly four articles) has clearly ceased any activity that could be seen as outright hostility towards Wikifur. The only reason I can see for keeping this page is spite. Let's weigh up the pros and cons here:


 * This page is one of the most trolled pages on this wiki. Look at all the contributions made to it by people who are only adding malicious information, lies, or twisting circumstantial evidence to bring individuals who've never contributed to the site into Aardvark's supposed "black hat" ring of internet personas.
 * Aardvark strongly objects to the retention of this page, and it is understandable that he is pissed off due to the lambasting he is recieving over this one page. He only vandalised once prior to the creation of this page, and has contributed, in a constructive way, to the arguement for getting this page nuked VIA the talk page - not by vandalism, or any other unconstructive means.

Honestly-El, oh, el 11:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To make a quick note in regards to the page, while I would prefer deletion, I would also be satisfied with a long-term protection. I have no qualms with the article in it's most basic form, seeking to tell the facts about my supposed vandalism activities here. But I do have a problem with it being allowed to be used as a platform to expose personal details, conspiracy theories, and outright libel. If Wikifur is absolutely dedicated to keeping this page, I will be satisfied with that solution if the page remains protected. --Aardvark1878 11:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Blu Aardvark, please explain this addition Lateral did
Blu Aardvark, please explain this addition your sock did http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Blu_Aardvark&curid=34421&diff=1997245016&oldid=1997234808 where Lateral added "norsemoose" on Wikipedia Review as a Blu Aardvark identity. I did some searching on this user's edits and I see nowhere this norsemoose says he's Blu Aardvark or anyone calling him that. So I am forced to conclude:


 * 1) Since nobody knew this but Blu Aardvark, this is more proof the Lateral/MichaelLinnear/RealDeal identity = Blu Aardvark.
 * 2) Blu Aardvark told the identity in secret and trust was betrayed.
 * 3) Norsemoose is not Blu Aardvark.

I am tended to side with #3 because...


 * I searched all mentions of aardvark by norsemoose and nowhere is there mention of him or others revealing it.
 * I also searched mentions of "Anomo" and "Samsara" by norsemoose. Norsemoose makes ones mention of Anomo and none of Samsara. This is despite the fact that Pseudonatural, stated as a Samsara sock puppet, was even reverting me and looking at the contributions of Samsara on ED, he showed a liking to Blu Aardvark with an odor of yiffiness.

So please clarify this norsemoose claim Blu Aardvark so I knew whether to put it as an identity on your tracking article. I think more likely this user "Unrepentant Vandal" is Blu Aardvark and that Lateral is claiming Blu Aardvark is norsemoose to pretend that Blu Aardvark is a furry fan.

Whenever I update your removal of everything but IPs you no longer use on this article, I like to put new information instead of just reverting and unless norsemoose is one of your identities I prefer not to do so. Speedycat 09:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First, Pseudonatural is you. I'm not an idiot, Anomo. I know who the fuck you are, and I know what you are doing. I don't see any sense in responding any further to your bullshit here. --Aardvark1878 09:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and as usual, your homework is a little shoddy. You'll have to log in to read this, though. That shouldn't be a problem for you, as I presume you have an account there, and thus, know full well that you are generating 99% noise. --Aardvark1878 09:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What did it say before it was deleted? Norsemoose does not appear to be you. Speedycat 10:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Insolent fool, not only does Blissyu3 state that Norsemoose is a BA account here, Blu Aardvark also later admitted that Norsemoose was him on his profile. Doesn't get any clearer than that, wow. MichaelLinnear 03:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought from an outside source
Mayhap, BluAardvark, if you spent any of your time providing useful edits to articles, instead of sitting here arguing with people the whole time, they would be more inclined to seeing positive assets to your presence. --IanKeith 17:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have much to contribute here. I'm not a member of the furry fandom. My sole interest on this Wikia is to ensure that this page is not abused, and to try to deal with the abuse as it occurs. --Aardvark1878 04:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

"the reasons for his vandalisms on Wikifur are unknown. "
It's been so long since I've read this page, I quite forgot about it. But I do have to comment on this. My reasons for vandalizing Wikifur really were not all that mysterious. I did it for the lulz. --Aardvark1878 08:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

A few things

 * 1) This page needs to be updated. Blu Aardvark is no longer an admin, in fact he's listed as "MIA".
 * 2) Is this standard practice at WikiFur? If so, there's another returning vandal that should have one as well. I think it's obvious who.

Equivamptalk 16:42, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

Proposed deletion
This page is historical. A piece of Wikifur would be lost if this page were deleted. So much history will be lost. What are you planning to do with Cable_and_Wireless_vandal, Tiscali.co.uk_vandal, Hhs.nl_vandal, and the other pages listed on Category:WikiFur_vandals and Category:Blocked_users. Would they be deleted as well? --Michaeldsuarez 13:33, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Maybe, it's up for future discussion, probably. Nothing is permanent - Spirou 17:20, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

0% furry historical merit
What are we even keeping this around. No, not "historical,"... a general purpose Troll that is present everywhere is just a mainstream person that just hit Wikifur, no a.f.f., no Furnation, no Furrymuck, no Paws.ru,...

He may be be "historical" "elsewhere", but here he seems to have been a mere nuisance. Heck, MeepSheep is more annoying, input wise. =/ - Spirou 17:19, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, she does have a FurAffinity account. (I laughed at the mention of Pawsru. You don't need an account there. Most trolls feel anonymity is best; proxies are easy to access.) She has also been known for harassing WikiFurries in real life. (She said something a while back about calling GreenReaper's work number, but I didn't pay much attention.) The WikiFur ED article is also on her "to do" list, so she's obviously not just here because, "oh hey, a wiki, vandal time!". Equivamptalk 18:10, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Good God, a "She"?. Jeez H!, get a boyfriend, girl...NO,no,no,no, don't get a boyfriend...I don't wish her on anybody X(. Anyways, it is still self centered around mostly Wikifur, furry wise,... right know it just reads like "I put my hoof here, worship me for doing so!", and a talk page that is just, juuust like a bunch of third graders on a wrist slap fight.


 * Just me, is not Wikifur material. 2006?,... How do I miss an article from 2006? - Spirou 19:15, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * No personal attacks please. 173.254.203.37 19:39, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Oh, so as a female she needs a boyfriend to enjoy life? lolsexism. Equivamptalk 19:19, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Guilty! (Spanking time!) =) Naw, more of a comment on the rarity of the female troll variety,.... still taking the spanking X) - Spirou 20:02, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Still sexist. The second comment only made it sound worse and, well, creepy. Equivamptalk 20:08, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Just... joking,... Is it something going on that is got people on edge?. Hold on a sec, let me ask my female furry friend behind me going thru my French comics is this was really inappropriate.


 * Okay, her own responses about this person are not fit for publication, but one of them she is right: We all need to get a life (including me) about this stuff X/ - Spirou 20:21, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Once again, no personal attacks. Please also cease your lewd comments. 173.254.203.22 20:29, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Even so, Equivamp, If I seemed sexist it was not my intention, my apologies then. of course now she is calling me (my friend) a puss (her word!) for apologizing. Can't win - Spirou 20:47, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * "I'm not sexist, see? I've got a female friend!" lulz. 's'fine, go back to your French. Equivamptalk 20:52, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm missing something here?. The "I'm not racist, I have a Black friend, see?" argument,.... Nooooo, I asked a second party, which is female, if what I said was sexist, NOT "look there is a female in the room, that negates my truly deplorable male sexist attitude!". - Spirou 21:04, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

You know what?
We are going out to get Greek. I'm Not a sexist, Equivamp, I already apologized if it seemed as such, and I would like it if you could refrain from throwing that slur in my face again,... and here I thought that there was another editor I could count for help - Spirou 21:19, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
 * As my opinion, you are still a good editor, anyways - Spirou 21:22, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Okay, apparently making a joke is throwing slurs in your face. Equivamptalk 21:27, 27 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Facepalm*


 * Ok, I apologize, then, again, for anything directed at you that have may be seen as hurtful, the comment I made about the troll already had it's consequences, I just wanted just to make a comment about the validity of this article, period. Now I have to walked my friend out as Greek is off, and the "slur" comment was out of place - Spirou 21:52, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

Not a worthy Wikifur... anything
Not furry lore, history, term, enshrine in other places as a Troll only, not a hitter on other furry sites,... In other words, not a person to keep an article on. Meepsheep's page was delete, why this one is still active is beyond me =P and I hope we can resolve this soon, because 5 years is way long beyond propping this individual up. IF we are going for vote way, Delete - Spirou 20:31, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
 * :< --Michaeldsuarez 23:53, 16 January 2012 (EST)