Talk:Dinosaur

Should "Dino" really send people directly here? There should probably be a disambiguation page, since Dino is the name of the Dog-o-saurus on The Flintstones... --Kattywampus 17:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * yes, yes, and what about the singer? Or the car? Until there is an article about Dino here on WikiFur, I don't see the need for disambig as dino is slang for dinosaur, and in fact where Dino's character name comes from.--Kendricks Redtail 04:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Notorious BS in the article
Excuse me, but, in what century are editors living? It is obvious by they're anatomy and habitat that the animals we're completely warm blooded. And this isn't any new discovery, Bakker theorized in 70s that dinosaurs such as Deinonychus are warm blooded. It has been proved that even large sauropods such as Brachiosaurus and Diplodocus would have no problem being warm blooded. Not only that, but the anatomy of some of the very first dinosaurs, like Eoraptor for example, seem to support that they we're warm blooded, and even then, dinosaurs showed much differences than their reptilian counterparts. Much unlike retaining a roughly lizard-like form, written in the erroneous article. Talking about lizards, whats the shit about ranging from the size of the small lizard? Epidexipteryx, smallest, non avian dinosaur, is roughly about 20-25 cm. While the smallest of the lizards, Sphaerodactylus, is not longer than 20 millimeters. And it is known shy mammals and reptiles survived the KT extinction. Extinction it self was a long, and painful process, it didn't happen just in a night. Small mammals had plenty of food to eat in form of small land arthropods, while cold blooded reptiles required much less food to keep up their metabolism unlike they're warm blooded dinosaur contemporaries. Meteor just finished dinosaurs off, who by the end of Cretaceous we're a dying dynasty. It would be nice, to do some research before making an article, instead of just slapping on some piss poor misleading information.


 * First, while we encourage readers to point out and discuss any inaccuracies in Wikifur articles, we would ask that you please take more civil tone in doing so. Using insults and profanity only annoys people and could get you blocked.  Second, if there are errors in the content of the article, then by all means feel free to edit the article to correct them yourself.  The more people we have contributing to it, the better the results are.  That is the nature and power of wikis!  --mwalimu 21:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing For Laymen
I'm going to try fix this page without overloading it with too much information. Please contact me via email (Well_Tossed_Salad@hotmail.com) if you feel I have made a mistake or have missed out something important. Please do not contact me is you are stupid and upset that I have trampled on your beloved scalies by telling the world that they are more like avians X3. Palaeofox 07:41, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Finished Editing
Ok, all done. However, there isn't much in there now that associates to the furry fandom. I would ask anyone who would like to associate it more to please do so in a separate paragraph and not remove any of the scientific information I have entered. It will likely fill up with tripe again if it is removed.Palaeofox 10:13, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Mind blank
Okay, there was a movie and a book, and I can't remember what they're called. There was a kid movie about some dinosaurs with long necks (not sure the exact species), and the book was about high school children turning into dinosaurs, and the cover art always featured an anthro dinosaur (which is why I read it in the first place). Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Equivamp 11:07, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * The movie is called 'The Land Before Time'. I watched it too many times as a kid... but I don't really remember much about it and I don't know anything about this anthro dinosaur book. The lack of sources is because most of the info there is from my lecture notes and the 'real' wiki + I'm not really sure how to add them and what style the referencing would be in. I can do them in the style of the Journal 'Palaeontology' if you like.. since that's pretty much the only way I know how to XD Palaeofox 12:20, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
 * No, not Land Before Time...it was something else. Equivamp 14:47, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
 * "Book about high school children turning into dinosaurs" is a little general. Without more specific plot details it's hard to say, but this could potentially be the Dinoverse series by Scott Ciencin.--Higgs Raccoon 12:29, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Yes, that's what I was talking about! Thank God. That was starting to bug me. Equivamp 14:47, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Dinosaurs
Since Dinosaurs redirects here, there was also the TV series "Dinosaurs".... Not sure about a "kid movie about dinosaurs with long necks", unless you're thinking of the scene from the film "One of our Dinosaurs is missing" where they have a dinosaur on the back of a lorry and are driving it through the fog ? Bezel 12:33, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Referencing
I've been snooping around for a guide to properly reference the stuff I have put down and I can't find how to do it properly/understand some of the instructions. The majority of the information was taken from 'THE DINOSAURIA' 3rd edition, by David b. Weishampel, Peter Dodson and Halszka Osmólska, or my own lecture notes (Dr. Dave Martill). The extinction information is from my lecture notes and conversations I've had with lecturers. I guess they would be recorded as 'Peers Coms' in that case? The tsunami stuff is from talking to Professor Andy Gale, who is one of the, if not the worlds top researchers into stratigraphy (I'm not joking..) and the paper he's working on for that hasn't even been written yet, let alone published.Palaeofox 13:12, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ref Bezel 13:15, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Wikipedia has a guide for beginners, but it seems like you're more concerned over proper citation terminology . . . we're not a particularly formal bunch, so you're welcome to just use what makes sense to you and others will understand (e.g. "conversation with Prof. Andy Gale", linking to this person's home page). Original research is not forbidden here, it just has to be reasonable and presented along with other well-thought-of opinions. --GreenReaper(talk) 13:17, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I think that's all done now. I've added in some citations to books that will actually tell people that stuff and I've avoided direct references to actual scientific papers (since no one would understand them). I think all that's left to do is fluff out the fandom-related stuff (that I can't do on my own) and that will improve with time :P. Palaeofox 14:17, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

Pero de que va esto?,...
In other words,... Why are we hosting an article containing 85% about the subject of Dinosaurs, where Wikipedia, online dedicated Wiki, and other sites about the subject could cover the 0.00005% remaining, where as the Dinosaur/Furry interconnection is related to a menial 15%?.

We are cherry picking bits of Dinosaur data, to form a large article, which is still missing so much data is useless. Meanwhile, furry becomes an after though... no Dinosaur artists?, books?, movies?,groups?, LJs,... Devia?, FA?.,...

Somebody just turn the page 180 degrees, and where are my Tylenols?...- Spirou 22:32, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I've added a few books and movies, but I'm unaware of many others. There's a saying. "If you want something done, do it yourself." Undeniably, however, the article is more factual--if ommitting much--than it has been in the past. It just needs a more furry focus. Equivamp 22:38, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * "There's a saying. "If you want something done, do it yourself."... Wise words, which I applied that saying to the 437 images that I had to (this weekend) search, seek, get a copy of PhotoZoom Classic 4 ($$), enlarge/resize, cleanup (lovely #@*&% artifacts), apply all PS CS5 tricks at them, finding out that no miracles will not bring certain images back to viewing life... and this is just for the "characters" section for the Wiki.


 * And before I let my headache override my brain's social skills, and say something really stupid on my part (not your fault, just today overall), no Equivamp, I'm sorry, but currently I can't provided any help or time regarding this article, just a fast critique - Spirou 23:20, 5 July 2011 (EDT)


 * The page, before I changed it, was an offence to science and common sense. It was full of misinformation and errors. In my opinion, there is no point in having an article that is just plain wrong. I have presented a greatly condensed and summarized sample of information that is relevant for character creation (outlining the main groups so that people know what terms to search for in Google and a bit of info on how dinosaurs look etc) and then a little blerb about the extinction event that took place, since that's a pretty popular topic. If people want their characters to actually represent these animals and not just be reprints of the Jurassic Park Velociraptors, then this page should help.


 * In terms of the furry side of things; I don't know every furry dinosaur artist and it's not really my place to post anyone else's name on here, other than my own and people I have permission for. This was kinda demonstrated by Stokes wanting all his stuff removed. If you know some artists/comics/films etc that have relevance to the fandom, then add them. Please don't just bitch about it and do nothing. All that I ask, is that you don't remove the scientific information that I have painstakingly laid out. Palaeofox 08:28, 6 July 2011 (EDT)


 * "The page, before I changed it, was an offence to science and common sense."...That's not our purpose. A small bit of data which leads to the main Furry connection is. A redirect to Dinosaurs on Wikipedia, or the Dinosaur Wiki can more that cover the massive data not possible to jam into the page.


 * "There is no point in having an article that is just plain wrong." further condense the data about dinosaurs until people and editors can see the connection between the two themes, then your going places,...


 * "Please don't just bitch about it and do nothing." (...) >=) Really?... - Spirou 23:28, 6 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, here is an hour/two hours of adding a couple things to the article. Seems to be missing the "Non-avian dinosaurs" section, thou. Now sushi time and a Tylenol shake... - Spirou 01:06, 7 July 2011 (EDT)


 * "That's not our purpose" - You would rather have misinformation than correct information? In my opinion, if the page had errors, then they should be removed. As I said before, the science part is in there for anyone who wants to create characters true to the animals (and it is a highly condensed version from the original information).
 * "Seems to be missing the "Non-avian dinosaurs" section." - Did you read the first paragraph? Avian Dinosaurs = Birds. Non-Avian Dinosaurs = the classic understanding of dinosaurs. Also, those links are pretty much pointless... 1 board page on dinosaurs will go far enough, we don't need sub pages on sister taxa.
 * Thank you for adding more of the furry-connected side of things. Again, as I said before, I don't know many of the furry-paleo artists. I'm just a palaeobiologist who happens to be a furry. I am also not an artist, the picture of Pecky: Image Summary: "'Pecky' the Troodon formosus. Character copyrighted to Palaeofox (FA Palaeofox). Artwork copyrighted to Blizzard (FA willow141)." Willow141 is not a furry palaeoartist, she just drew that for me as a friend.
 * It really does feel like you are just trying to make this difficult :/. Sorry if I'm coming across as aggressive. I don't mean to be and I guess it's just my typing style. Palaeofox 17:52, 7 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, I didn't mean to come on down this hard this you. It's, has said before, a very thin wire act,... where you stop, how much you cut, how do you keep everybody happy. Apologies if you felt I was just trying to terminate the article, but you must think of the furry role that attaches this article to Wikifur a bit. that’s all - Spirou 23:54, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

I am grateful for fixing this article... For me, a huge dino fan, having correct and accessible information in fandom-related source is important. It's easier to describe why via the example of striped hyenas: they are not well known compared to spotted hyenas and are very different from them. But in role-playing, people tend to assume that striped hyenas are just spotted with stripes instead of spots. It's very rare that one sees correct representation of a striped hyena, and for hyena fans like myself it's very unfortunate. The same is true for dinosaurs, especially raptors.

I will also spend some time this weekend expaning "in popular culture" part of the article. There are many, many works of fiction about anthropomorphoc dinosaurs. EvilCat 14:01, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
 * I think that section must have come over from Wikipedia; it's not a format we use. Generally, notable isntances shoudl be described in the article; other material can and should be covered in appropriate articles, such as those about novels or which wind up in Category:Dinosaur characters. -- Sine 14:21, 8 July 2011 (EDT)