Talk:Fchan

Actually, Fchan existed before the april fools joke at 4chan, if my memory serves me correctly. --Wag! 16:11, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Downtime
As of 01:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC), Fchan is down. Or is it just me? --200.106.209.30 01:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Appears to be down here right now, as well. -- 02:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry, 'seems like I forgot to login... that anonymous comment up there was mine ^^U
 * Oh, and people on Renchan BBS are complaining that fchan is down for them too . --Fibonacci 04:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * So the real question to be addressed is, what's happening? -- Siege 19:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey everyone, fchan is back up... fortunately. --Fibonacci 22:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

By now I'm almost willing to believe that the most recent downtime (from April 10th) might be significant rather than just run-of-the-mill flakiness. -- 14:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Been unavailable to me for a couple of days at the time of this edit. -- Siege(talk) 07:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ...and it's back again. Jeezl peets. -- Siege(talk) 06:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Would anyone happen to know anything about Dr. Pon?-- 00:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Anyone knows what's happening to Fchan? Downtimes seem to be getting longer and more frequent with time. Right now it's down. --Fibonacci 22:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: the same seems to be true for the whole old server which, at the time of this writing, is also down. --Fibonacci 22:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Fchan has been down for several days so far by my count. Even the OpenDNS' CacheCheck does resolve a DNS entry! (Sorry bout the Anon entry, I don't really use WikiFur that much) 71.75.252.180 23:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fchan is now back up. 71.75.252.180 20:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

On making downtime reports
Fchan appears to have downtime for someone on a fairly regular basis, returning to full service within 24 hours each time. I'd like to suggest that downtime reports be limited to those outages which last for at least two days. Votes and comments, everyone! -- Siege(talk) 03:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I normally wait until a week has passed, when the admins/founders request "patience," or when users query/complain about it Spirou 04:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me.DuncanDaHusky(talk) 11:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest that when downtimes happen the people should visit the official fchan irc channel. ;) irc://irc.distrust.us/fchan or http://www.distrust.us/javachat/fchan.php We wil usually note infos about the downtime in the topic. Furthermore i have added a section on downtimes to the article. --Xenofur 18:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Fchan has changed servers to irc.neverfall.org #fchan -- Siege(talk) 09:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Opt-out complaints
Its long, and they banned me for pointing out Klaus had requested no redist on his art, as well as other art they had on their forums that was actually stamped on the image with "do not redistribute without permission" or similar phrases. I could search their postings for such and provide links, but that would rather defeat the purpose and make wikifur just as guilty. --Chibiabos 05:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Nevertheless, please try to provide some linked reference we can add to support that paragraph. Thank you Spirou 05:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * References? Try Klaus Dobermann, check out his group and his posts that he made, he made a lot years ago before he disappeared, yet you still find his commercial copyrighted stuff (very well-known among his fans as being banned) on /ah/res/28369.html as #28388, #28389, #28413, and #28415 ... there are several more in that thread that aren't commercial character art, but Klaus had requested a complete takedown of his art two years ago and hasn't granted permission for anyone to put any of it back up ... all of the new art he recently uploaded on the new group linked to in Klaus Dobermann is explicitly marked in file descriptions as not for redistribution (even though none of it is the commercial copyrighted art).  I've also seen that "Two Tribes" art on fchan of a morphic and non-morphic wolf whose artist's name I forget, but the artist way back in the '90s sometime had requested no one redist their art anymore.


 * I pointed these out to fchan earlier this year, and the only action they took was to ban me from the forums with words to the effect of if an artist can't be bothered to opt out from them directly, they don't care what the artist wants. Artists who are incommunicado, of course, or print artists can expect to have their requests ignored and any of their fans trying to stick up for their work will get muzzled by fchan admin.  --Chibiabos 06:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * All right, I see some of his artwork up. Where's the forum that I can track down those threads for reference located? Spirou 06:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You mean /ah/ ? The #s I posted are actual post #s in the /ah/res/28369.html thread ... the post #s refer to the # stamped by the username, date, etc. just beneath the filename, such as "Broklyn 06/09/04(Mon)00:21 No.28369 [Report]" ... #28369 is the # of that post.  --Chibiabos 07:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

No, no, I mean a text forum with discussions about the inclusion of his art, and request to take it down. By the way, did Klaus sent his name to be added to the DNP? Spirou 07:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * All right then. After going thru the site, there is a few things that standout: They do remove artwork on request by the artist or a verified party, simply asking them to take them out by anybody else is disregarded. As per your post, he requested his artwork to be taken down in 2004 (two years ago,)... I remember when FChan came online then, and it didn't have a DNP at first. It came into effect late in the year, with the first request by Jeremy Bernal, so it may have been a case of the DNP not being yet in place (he should request inclusion to it now.)


 * Also, all the Klaus pictures I saw lack both a "Do not distribute," or even a simple (c)Copyright mark on them. So, if Klaus has not requested the artwork to be taken down in two years, and the images are devoid of any media copyright protection, I can see why the Admins won't take any action (yes, you did request them to do so, but, as their DNP details, only verified people may do so.)


 * So, you should inform Mr. Klaus for a new request to be added to the DNP via email. It the mean time, part of your addition to the particle is valid as information, so I will worded in, adding also part of the information we just discussed Spirou 08:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Little sidenote regarding "Do not redistribute" ignoring: I have written part of the reasoning here: http://www.furaffinityforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3487&pid=45548#pid45548 (Was rather tired when i wrote that.) Additional reasons include: We've been told by some artists without even asking them that it only means in commercial ventures. What would stop random people from editing "Do not distribute" onto images, just to cause shit? --Xenofur 11:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Klaus' re-reminder about his DNP I have referenced on his article, Klaus Dobermann. You must subscribe to Yahoo! groups and the Klausart group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Klausart/ to view them.  His original messages to have his art taken down in 2004 were at another group that Yahoo! has taken down, so there's no longer a record.  It was pointed out on the group that the main page for the unauthorized archive of Klaus' art, http://www.wwoec.com/artist/klaus/main.html, makes it look as though Klaus himself uploaded, though its clear from the date (a period during which Klaus was not on the Internet) and confirmed by Klaus that it was Klaus' imposter, the same one that had masqueraded as Klaus last year on Yahoo! groups.


 * I have never heard of a case of someone modifying an artist's work to add a "Do not redistribute'' message without the artist's permission. I've seen plenty of the reverse (removal, without permission of the artist, of such labels on the images).  I've also seen a lot of commercial printed comics illegally scanned in for 'net distribution; Sibe in particular was notorious for this (and successfully sued).


 * I pointed out Klaus' requests quite some time ago on fchan (up to around late last year / early this year), and for that I was quickly banned. There are several artists that are incommunicado, some for several years now, whose last request was that no one redistribute their art.  Unfortunately, my memory is shoddy and I can't recall the artist, but I remember specifically the artist who made http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:H4bo41mmJKGJQM:http://www.furnation.com/Murphy-Mee/images/bestof/colour/two_tribes_c.jpg was one such (and I've seen the full version posted to fchan in the past).  I've never seen fchan moderators remove pics when they clearly had "DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE" stamped on the image; in fact, I was moderated on fchan for trying to bring that up.  Every artist I know who has used the "DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE" stamp expressed no restriction against only commercial pay sites.  I know at least one artist, in fact, who specifically doesn't want his art on fchan with the following reason stated to me in a private e-mail (no, I'm not inclined to post the entirety of the private e-mail):  "... Since some troubles I had with the assholes on fchan, I decided to leave the new pics only two monthes ..." (meaning this artist wouldn't leave any of his art on his own archive longer than two months to reduce unauthorized redistributions, specifically on fchan).  Some of his art was redistributed on fchan, but I haven't seen it in awhile, so his method seems to be working.


 * While I have not yet seen my own creative works on fchan, I did e-mail a request on 1-4-2006 to "Sage Nadia," after I'd been banned from your forums for pointing out several posted images had been marked or requested by their creators that they not be redistributed, that no creative work of my own be redistributed. While, again, I haven't seen any of my creative works (except for one scene from one of my creative works, recreated by a guest artist using my characters she had done with my okay, I've seen posted a couple times; I have not seen that particular artist make any "do not redistribute" mentions of her work) posted on fchan (I guess its fortunate no one knows who the heck I am), I haven't seen my name added to the official fchan DNP list, either.


 * I don't need to be specifically authorized by any artist to know that artist has or had put out a "do not redistribute" request, and that the fchan postings of that artist's art violate their wishes. Scream and whine and curse all you want about the artists, its been my observation that artists who fear their right to control their work will be taken away from them will be less likely to continue adding their talents to the fandom, and frankly I care more about the artists than fans who don't respect their requests.  --Chibiabos 15:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Dude, learn to cut yourself short. IT's a major pain to wade through that rambling stuff. I'll throw quick notes at your paragraphs:


 * 1. Unless i do not have actual contact with the person or a legal representative i do not do anything, period. No need to even try and discuss it.


 * 2. In fact we do have such cases. Just recently some guy ripped off an image of another artist, added his sig, DND and then tried to get us to take it down.


 * 3. See 1., also know: we tend to ban people who shit up the imageboards with long /dis/es, especially when it's about stuff that should be done by contacting the mods directly. We usually do warn tho.


 * 3.b) We've had artists who behaved like perfect assholes, flaming people and such. They got banned and subsequently spread shit on fchan on other sites. Due to this i do not care in the least about second-hand reports about what other artists think.


 * 4. Your request must've been lost or whatever. I have no records of the time when she handled DNP. Feel free to email me, procedure is described in the rules.


 * In short: If you want anything, contact me, personally, via IRC, email if you MUST. You will find that in a dialogue i'm patient, attentive and more than willing to please. If you aren't willing to do that i frankly can't be bothered and will use my time for important things.--Xenofur 15:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a full out confession you refuse, as an official admin of fchan, to abide an artist's request that their work not get posted unless they can, will and do contact you directly, even when that artist has made public posts prohibiting redistribution, marked specific images with DND, or scans of commercial art. My noting this, then, should be fully restored to the fchan article.  You have a rep among several artists -- and their fans, such as myself, who are sickened by the piracy -- and they long for the day when fchan goes offline permanently.


 * When you refuse to abide by artist requests, you earn the label of art pirate. --Chibiabos 16:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You know, i should really for a month shut fchan down and put a redirect to lulz.net on it. Just so such short-thinking people as you see what it means if we don't do our work...


 * Anyhow, i refuse to listen to people demanding things without proving their identity to me. Nothing more, nothing less. I do however listen to artists that prove their identity to me and as such your attempt at labeling completely fails. :) --Xenofur 16:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want to redirect to lulz.net, I really don't mind! --User:Arcturus 16:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see it redirect to null. I'm sick of these pirate sites passing themselves off as Dog's gift to the furry fandom.  --Chibiabos 17:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Chibiabos, of all the image boards that post Furry artwork, FChan is the only one with a compressive DNP that they actually use and update, in other words, they go out of their way to make sure they are fair to the artists. What I saw on their site yesterday confirms that, and Xenofur has offered to work the situation out, something most other chan board Mods would just laugh at it.

There's nothing to indicate they are being disingenuous about it, so give them a chance. Respect is a two way street Spirou 21:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Template tags
Instead of continuing Xeno's edit war to revert my edits which summarize things Xeno himself has said (and fchan is known for), I've marked the article as I feel appropriate and appreciate intervention in restoring neutrality. Xeno made it clear public posts by artists would not be honored, nor stamps on images, nor pointing out referentially that particular art was illegally scanned in from an artist's print or comics. He expressed the same refusals and disdain that Nadia did when he banned me from the forum when I tried to ask them to honor artist's requests. They should stand by their policies and if they don't like the pirate image that earns them, they should reform their policies to honor and respect artist's wishes. --Chibiabos 17:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikifur holds a NPOV and is not a battleground when it comes to other site's policies, what ever they are and how well they implement them or not. I have added additional information to the article which explains the reason for the opt-out policy.
 * Regarding this particular case, I would suggest it would be better to e-mail the artist and tell them about the postings instead so that they can choose if they want to be added to the DNP or not. It is as you said their work and you should inform them so they can defend it from unwanted copying if they so wish. --Nidonocu - talk [[Image:Trans 168.png|16px|Nidonocu]] 21:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you'd read the article, you would have realized Klaus is incommunicado and that's my whole point -- they take advantage of artists who have left the fandom or are incommunicado for long periods of time. It is long and well established that Klaus' fan art he used to do (before he got threatening letters from movie studios) is banned for redistribution, but its redistributed willy nilly against those well-expressed statements on fchan.  Fchan is violating Klaus' rights as an artist to control his work, along with every artist who is unaware their art is being distributed there.  They are an art piracy site, period.  "Opt-out" is as dubious a notion for pirating art as it is for bulk commercial e-mail.  An art pirate is an art pirate, regardless of reason or exuse.  --Chibiabos 21:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say that labeling on the work itself really does count as an express request from the author, and I am surprised that Fchan does not honor such marks. I have to wonder if they really do care about artists' wishes, or are just trying to avoid trouble from those artists that happen to be around. --GreenReaper(talk) 16:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit surprised that it is that a surprise to anyone. They've said all along they only accept specific "opt-out" requests, and even that is a process where they demand you "prove" who you are.  Unless its an artist who has successfully gone through their "DNP" list procedures, pointing out that an image is "do not redistribute" is a violation of their "Rule #6" and gets one banned (as happened to me).
 * Anything other than specifically contacting them and going through their procedure to get added to their DNP list -- label stamps on the images, referenceable public posts linked to the same identities as original artwork from the artists -- is completely ignored and dishonored. Any artist who is incommunicado is completely out of luck.  The philosophy of "we're going to assume you're going to let us do what we want with your art unless you show us your archive and present personal identity to prove who you are" philosophy seems reminiscent -- even worse, in a way, than the "opt-out" bulk commercial e-mailers.   --Chibiabos 16:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

People links
If I recall correctly, Raven (as in the fchan mod) has a fursona which is an opossum or rat or something, not a raven. Maybe the link in the article (currently Raven) should instead point to an article Raven (fchan) or something similar? Because right now the link in the fchan article has absolutely nothing to do with the person it's referring to. --quoting_mungo 08:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Rule 34 Clarification

 * @ Also according to an image on the front page of fchan all rule 34 has been placed on the do not post list, so thus apparently posting the /toon/ board is now a bannable offence
 * by 21:13, 18 May 2009 82.42.161.212

The cited rule is shorthand for those who start a topic with the statement "I invoke rule 34 on . . ." and are generally followed by, "Pic unrelated." As rule 34 breeds pic unrelated and we do not allow pic unrelated, it is a natural step. /toon is still /toon until such a time as I decide it is worth the drama to have it removed. --Sage Nadia 23:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Website Down
Wtf? 98.201.39.129 08:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

April Fools day Prank
fchan did an april fools day prank any board you go to redirects to female. Personally, I don't think it's funny, I'm not interested in naked women!!! 75.33.127.235 21:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Since people couldn't handle the joke, the site has been shut down for the rest of the day 75.33.127.235


 * See, THAT's the attitude that took the whole site down. Grow a pair, laugh, and get your gay porn somewhere else for one lousy day!


 * Why don't you go fuck yourself? I'm not gay and am fine with the /f/ board, but I'm so sick of people defending every stupid decision the admins make. They take the site down for a day after because some people bitched about it too? And THEY had the balls to say that they did it because others were being immature? Nadia essentially began to pout and cry shut down the fucking site because some people bitched. --74.167.239.139 20:53, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


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 * This discussion doesn't seem particularly relevant to improving the article, so please take it elsewhere. :-) --GreenReaper(talk)


 * (Message restored) --Higgs Raccoon(talk)

Site Broken
It's not possible for some people to get past the entrance page which now also shows a white background. Bottom of the page tells you to allow cookies and disable firewall, but even that does not work. Site is broken on Firefox but still seems to run on Internet Explorer.

fchan down
Is it just site problems and they'll be back up shortly or what?

70.238.134.188 00:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE!: It's back up but you can't post anything it keeps saying:

Could not open routers file. Please alert Xenofur immediately on IRC.

70.238.134.188 05:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Apparently they moved to a new server, should be working now. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Fchan has been down probably 2 days now? 3 days? anyone knows what is up? colinstu 20:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * coulda sworn i got on at the weekend but now my isp disclaims all knowledge, and i'm reasonably certain its not just them filtering it because a firefox connectivity plugin i have (that works from remote servers, not my pc) can sort of ping it but can't trace a route - and that's if i use the IP, the DNS name is "cannot resolve" either using that OR windows tools. browsing to the bare ip address just gives a 404. it's down pretty hard is what it is...? 77.102.101.220 01:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * We have an article about this on Flayrah. I'll add it to the page. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks ... I since saw it independently and managed to get over to their (still shaky but workable) temporary home... came back to correct my post but you were already here ^_^ 77.102.101.220 02:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Current Domain is http://fchan.me http://fchan.me/read.php/dis/1298708962/1-40

Encyclopedia Dramatica and WikiFur as references?
Currently, this article's first two references are to wiki articles, the first going to the (now defunct) ED.com, and the other to a section of a WikiFur article.

Is this acceptable? I know that WikiFur is not Wikipedia, but does this mean wikis (especially ourself and a satirical wiki) are sources that can be used, especially if they are not a) about either of the sites, or b) not a talk-page comment to reference a quote?

I've left them in for now; I'm waiting to see a general consensus on this. --Equivamptalk 15:04, 11 December 2012 (EST)