Talk:Darkdoomer/Archive1

 Want more infos? just asking me in person!
 * contact : darkdoomer@free.fr (both for mail and msn) and darkdoomer on aim.

Darkdoomer 17:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

To avoid edit warring...
Was there ever an administrative descision about the "controversy" section I was not made aware of? Equivamptalk 16:00, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
 * In the meantime, I'm going to keep the information up. The sooner this is discussed the better. Equivamptalk 19:21, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm out. I'm excussing myself from editing/reediting this user's account in the future, is not worth it - Spirou 19:53, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
 * wise decision. if you have nothing with proofs to bring, nothing solid, don't post. do something more constructive. if you find something interesting, relevant and that can be checked about me, and something that can be published, congrats you can post it and i won't have any objection to do. we both know the information you two are trying to protect miserably are irrelevant and made-up. anybody could confirm it.

now, it's true; i will have some clean-up to do on my side. like, unused galleries, etc.Darkdoomer

to end the edit war
altough it was fun, i think it pisses some people off, so i'm gonna stop my scripts and tell you some things.

That Furaff Thing...
What you must know on the controversy part, is that it's an entirely made-up story created on lulz.net ages ago by an anonymous troll. Trolling is a art. It makes people creative, and I love it. Bigger success is to have people to believe it, and I think it tells a lot about how the average person perceives the information in mass media.

The reasons of me being banned on furaffinity were not linked with a commissioned artwork I made for another user of Furaffinity. Artwork which have been present on this website for days before I managed to get it closed ! (Once, I wondered what the admin of Furaffinity thinks about it but I never received a lawsuit yet.)

I never really used Furaffinity other than being an backup of my deviantart gallery, I even missed my password for more than one year ( I created a second account that got banned a long time ago. Explaining the presence of two accounts. One have been used for about one week then trashed.) Like a lot of websites; I don't share the same interests with Furaffinity than I do with many other sites. These accounts were unused since 2008 or something ! Also, I'm not the user "Darkdoomer" there.

The exact reason of my ban is only known by me and the staff of Furaffinity and hence, never have been disclosed. No one will ever manage to bring the true version of the story because there is none. You have been lied about a lot of things. This is why I really believe the controversy part is really not necessary; Absurd, and may confuse the reader.

Other sites I have been banned from: EZboard, 7chan, Deviantart, 20minutes.fr, stormfront from what I remember immediately. There might be more but there is a lot of sites on the internet...


 * Would you call yourself being portrayed like the 'ideal vitim' in regards of Dragoneer's behavior?--78.250.3.185 13:10, 17 September 2011 (EDT)
 * what.pcx   // also as GreenReaper suggested, cleaned up the controversial section, you have no proofs, i can provide personally any info. you may also ask Allan what happened if he accepts to respond, or the administrator of concerned site. but i as i said this was communicated to me via private e-mails and as a person with some common sense, i won't publish it.

but i saw your cats on www.furihentaishwarggles.gov.su
for the other sites, there are many people called darkdoomer, and on anonymous imageboards, anyone can tag a drawing of my chars "darkdoomer" even if it's a fanart. a lot of people does draw my characters and labels them so. it is their right and i will never oppose myself to whatever they bring. my job isn't to monitor what others are doing or tell them if it's right or wrong. i think in terms of freedom, if you thought otherwise, sorry about the confusion, wait no, you have to change your state of mind : on the internet, we are everybody and nobody. whatever name you take online. personally i never wanted to count the amount of person with a black cat as an avatar. as for the imageboards, my tripcode have been made public since years.

the only official galleries are those i linked on the userpage. the rest is either disactivated or just random test/troll accounts. i even have one into jeuxvideo.com for years that's sayin'/...

identity
other fact :beside my aliases i never; ever gave my real identity to anybody on the internet. whoever comes up with a name, address or phone number is a liar or a troll. here in france there's laws about privacy and corruption of personal information.

work
i'm just an illustrator and cg artist. this means there's a lot of works i have sold that are not signed nowhereincoming or darkdoomer. these are licensed works (sometimes collaborations) that doesn't allows me to repost them on deviantart or anywhere else. (packaging, webdesign, advertising...) i will never disclose who are my employers or the companies i work for or have worked for, neither give the names of who have purchased an artwork from me without their expressed; signed consent of the person i have sold the material. this includes providing the file or related informations.

for further questions, i'm available on darkdoomer@free.fr (email or msn). and no, i do not think it is necessary to me to request the removal of this page, i think wikifur can be a bit weird, but it's a fun site i have been introduced to. and i imagine there's a lot of anthro-artists with made-up swag like this. .


 * If the information is inaccurate, fix it. I've suggested this to you before. Simply removing it because it is "superfluous" is suspiscious and worse than it was before. Equivamptalk 20:27, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
 * oookay. wow. i hope now you have read this page things gets less mysterious to you..
 * You were told not to erase other people's entries in this page, which you did anyways, again, with mine this time - Spirou 21:09, 2 August 2011 (EDT)
 * hahaha. and ? if i offended you, no one obliges you to post here. i'm sure we both have more intresting stuff to do right now..

The artwork in question
I know where to find the artwork in question that does not have to be downloaded. Should I upload it or simply link to it? Equivamptalk 22:14, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
 * i'm afraid that this is copyrighted material that is not anymore my entire property. you cannot publish this artwork without the written consent of both the legal owner and its author.--Darkdoomer 23:02, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

@Darkdoomer Please, that picture's just hilarious, and Allan's OK about it to be reposted!
 * no, fuck you and please die in a fire, and have a nice day full of rape Darkdoomer


 * calm down, DD. Equivamptalk 08:42, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Exclusion request
The subject of this article has expressed the wish to remove material that he believes to be "incorrect", and that if he cannot have it removed, he wishes deletion of the article. As we do not permit personal control to this level, I would interpret this is a request for exclusion. Are there any objections to this request? --GreenReaper(talk) 11:20, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Neither for or against. I promised not to get involved in the future, so I will just unprotect, and let them at it - Spirou 12:04, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Was there discussion that took place about the Fur Affinity banning or other items? Maybe keep, if so, otherwise personal-exclusion I suppose. The article is in need of cleanup at the moment. -- Sine 13:29, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Yes, right above us - Spirou 13:34, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Darkdoomer does have a point though—while it's now furry folklore that he was banned from FA due to that Dragoneer pic, I've never actually seen any evidence that the story is true. Doesn't this fail WF:V? If he says that it's incorrect, and nobody has any evidence that it is correct, I think it should go. 75.27.143.66 13:55, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * The page has been unprotected for a while, go ahead and edit - Spirou 14:04, 16 September 2011 (EDT)


 * I object.


 * The controversy part was brought by some Pro-Dragoneer white-knight who decided to stab Darkdoomer in the back. They used to brag about it on lulz.net however Dragoneer never supported such actions. Dragoneer closed Darkdoomer's FA accounts and gallery's content on Darkdoomer's request. Chase, however took the decision to remove Allan's commission a long time before. Darkdoomer did not upload a single thing on FA from Nov. 09 until he post the Allan pic there. Dragoneer found it hilarious and wanted to keep it. I vote against the exclusion, and hope a moderator or someone with common sense will finally fix this.--78.250.3.185 13:01, 17 September 2011 (EDT)


 * Just thought I should note that the exclusion request was withdrawn. Apologies for not noting this, I was moving at the time. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:33, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
 * temporarily, i'll see if your superior userbase can resist the urge not to revert the bullshit part, if they do, this counts as me requesting the exclusion. this also voids the right to wikifur to use and redistribute all the pictures i allowed to be uploaded on the site. Darkdoomer

And why I'm dealing with this article?
I was supposed to be out of it. Seriously, enough on my plate already - Spirou 18:19, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
 * stop being so obsessed about this already. we both know it's not worth it. go draw some stuff, get outside, watch a movie or focus on the more real articles you intend to do. ( also check your mails more often.. ) i'm still wondering if i should keep this page because you're all falling for a section wrote with trolling intents. ( my fault for letting it pass but i thought it was fun while it lasted) idk, unless you really have something personal against me. peace. Darkdoomer
 * Oh, I already have plans, and it's called Thai Ramen with friends tonight ^-^. "Unless you really have something personal against me",... nope, just maintaining a Wiki, that's all... and that should be all =/ - Spirou 18:59, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
 * yeah enjoy life like i say. if you attach so much importance about an article like this, be pro and check your sources, this isn't ED.even if i agree with "trolling is a art" i, too hope you guys aren't falling for this. if you really want to know, you can contact me and you'll get it. i can't troll you 'cause you're an artist i like and respect, just should take some distances because drama also happens here. you know, furries..  Darkdoomer
 * It's okay, I just going to disengage from the computer until late tonite or tomorrow. - Spirou 19:17, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

You know what is going to happen,...
Reverting is just going to go to edit warring. There's both sides, not 100% which is correct (personally), so it needs to be really carefully worded, or it's just going to be a permanent work of frustration,... or he requests exclusion - Spirou 20:00, 17 October 2011 (EDT)
 * i warned them! but no they think it's just not going to happen! Darkdoomer

Exclusion request from subject, redux
The subject of this article has requested personal exclusion. If there is any objection to this request, please make it within 24 hours. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:46, 24 November 2011 (EST)
 * If it keeps them from participating in WF, I'm all for it. From the perspective of someone quickly looking at the situation, they don't appear to be participating in good faith. Krinn 18:16, 24 November 2011 (EST)
 * @krinn, what could i do to get that thing in "good faith" precisely? we're now two persons editing, reverting it now. you know that, right ?Darkdoomer
 * The subject has made changes to the article. I believe the intent is to provide a compromise which would preclude the need for exclusion. Are these changes acceptable to other editors? If not, what would be needed to make them acceptable? (Exclusion is still an option if editors feel that this situation cannot be resolved.) --GreenReaper(talk) 22:11, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Prove Me Wrong
"Controversy" so i'm going to make everybody ok about this.

"Darkdoomer used to be a member of Fur Affinity from 2006 to 2010, using the website primarily as a back-up of his deviantART gallery."

yes i did and still do. it's a free site and it's my right to do so.

"Darkdoomer was known under the accounts Kayanamasha and Patachu."

...and a plethora of other names, inside but not only on furaffinity fyi, i gotta add; the FA's Patachu was created by a Patachu fan from /g/ initially. i won't bother unbanning it.

"DarkDoomer was accused to have made a few previous 'minor violations' which were not punishable by the official Fur Affinity's TOS,"

self-contradicting, what should i be accused to violate if something is not on the official TOS? iirc no such thing happened. re-read yourself.

"caricatures of staff members along with several critiques regarding the FurAffinity's administration and joking about their lack of competences and the absurdity of their authority."

that's called everybody and it's covered by the first amendment. caricaturing members is something overdone on many sites and even on furaff. i'd love to see the mentioned pics however. always question authority.

"He was banned in June 2010 after intentionally posting a commissioned artwork made for the former Fur Affinity user Allan, holding the severed head of site administrator’s fursona, Dragoneer, yet not mentioning their name."

the logic "something happens so it must be that" no, i haven't been banned for this pic, it got me a suspension that have been shortened because i just executed the realization of the said artwork for the commissioner. however, not using furaffinity since 2009 i asked the gallery to be cleared and the account closed; until recently because a lot of people insisted that i should post there again.Darkdoomer