Talk:Mystery Otter

Feel free to add / edit this page with findings and clues, but be sure to document any and all references. Appearances, sightings, solid clues and official hints are preferred, rather than outright speculation. Thanks, and have fun!

(Personally I am torn between trying to solve the puzzle and accepting him simply as a cute, fun otter character) --Yippee 13:01, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Referenced information rather than speculation is what should be the standard for content in all WikiFur articles. -- Sine 13:26, 3 August 2012 (EDT)


 * I saw the page was flagged for cleanup, with no specifics. Are the references the wrong format? Should the appearances be in a table rather than a list? Those 21 appearances are clues which I don't believe belong in a prose format. --Yippee 11:09, 23 January 2013 (EST)

More flags for wikification and context, but with no specifics. Also flagged for "Articles that lack reference" while there are over 60 references on the page! I also see that the chronological list was replaced with an alphabetic list. Since there's no clear direction on how to "improve" this article, I'm done trying to please the admins. --Yippee 05:31, 8 March 2014 (EST)


 * The "context" template has been added because the article reads as if the reader is already in the "know" about the Anon play involving this character/situation (I.e. It's currently muddle and slightly confusing). Wikify templates: There more than 20+ duplicate and redundant links (specially links to multiple conventions), the history timeline and character background/history needs to have the pertinent data moved to their proper section.


 * Any section that lists a group of conventions is always listed by alphabetic order, not date, locations we're remove, as this data is listed on the internal links for each con, dates are listed after each convention name to avoid a long, continuous, repetitive list that grows longer with each passing year, biography/character sections before convention/ appearances sections, separated the swag data into its own section, all reference links need to be formatted (and 404s removed), the "context" template flags the article as "lack of reference" in context form, not because it's "unreferenced".


 * Hope this is clear enough direction of how much additional formatting is needed (ref links are alone is not going to be a pleasant undertaking). And for so much information being displayed, the total lack of even one single photo of the character in question is quite baffling (so many appearances/sightings, not a single image to show readers what Mystery Otter looks like. See: "Context"). - Spirou 07:54, 8 March 2014 (EST)


 * Thanks for your reply. You have a point about context; I originally started the article as a means to compile a list of Mystery's appearances to possibly assist those already familiar with Mystery Otter who sought his identity. After a year, the "puzzle" had expired, and I just kept adding to the chronological list. The "redundant" links are to show evidence that he attended a particular convention that year. To be honest I nearly gave up last November since it seemed no one else was updating the article anymore except to correct spelling, etc.


 * In the paragraphs under identity, I see there's some "clarify" and "citation needed" tags. I assume the clarify tag is to explain "alter-ego". In the second line ("On January 28, 2013..."), every quote refers to a single FA journal, including the "game over" quote that was tagged citation needed.


 * As for images, I've actually never taken a full-body photo of Mystery Otter myself. I have looked for some photos on Flickr under Creative Commons license, found a couple good ones but they are under an outdated license "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0)" which I couldn't find on the upload file options. The closest are CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 and CC BY-SA 2.0. Everything else I could find appeared to be "All Rights Reserved." Let me know what I should do in this case. For reference the file links:


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/9989346@N04/7937369534/
 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/9989346@N04/7937369056/


 * Alternately I found another pic on FurShoot, with a limited rights granted, described here: http://furshoot.com/about.php
 * http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/File:Megaplex2012-MysteryOtter-FurShoot.jpg
 * It's not clear how the limited license template for this file should be edited.--Yippee 14:33, 8 March 2014 (EST)


 * I disagree about the alphabetical list. I don't see anywhere on WikiFur that states event lists must be alphabetical. And on the FRONT PAGE there is a list of events in chronological order. I got the impression the chronological list was significant - in this case - in order to point out just how many appearances were made, especially in the first year, as emphasized by the summary at the beginning of the list. Also, the change to remove the dates is senseless, because there are many events listed that occur multiple times throughout the year, such as monthly furbowls. I think in this case a chronological list with the dates makes the most sense. I think the change should be reverted.


 * There are also a ton of photos - in the references next to each event listed. - 173.49.226.204 13:34, 9 March 2014 (EDT)


 * "I disagree about the alphabetical list." Duly noted.
 * "I don't see anywhere on WikiFur that states event lists must be alphabetical." It's not a yet written down format guideline. A great deal of formatting and editing suggestions are already covered in the Furry Book of Style, but some are, currently, more or less "accepted as", such alphabetizing Convention/meet attendances on user articles.
 * "And on the FRONT PAGE there is a list of events in chronological order." That's an active list, not a historical record. As soon as the next convention listed by current time is held, it will be deleted from that list.
 * "Also, the change to remove the dates is senseless, because there are many events listed that occur multiple times throughout the year, such as monthly fur bowls." The complete convention date format is already listed on the redirecting link articles. As for multiple monthly local event dates within a year period, they are normally listed as "Event - month, year" (GenericFurMeet - March, 2014), but so far, all the local events on the article where Mystery Otter has appeared have been attended only once (yearly).
 * "I think in this case a chronological list with the dates makes the most sense. I think the change should be reverted." Opinion noted. Hope these answers help explain the article latest formatting.
 * "There are also a ton of photos - in the references next to each event listed." Quite. The issue is for the permission to post them. - Spirou 00:36, 10 March 2014 (EDT)