Talk:Kindrift

I can personally confirm that this was said on FurryMUCK in the West Corner of the Park today: "Raiya > No jokes need to be made about Chibiabos, for Chibiabos is a cruel joke incarnate. He is among many who adopt animals as others take runaways. Like a nonviolent sexual predator does with naive runaways, they train their dogs, their spiritual children and lovers in their deluded minds, to enjoy rape.  Chibiabos, like his compatriots in Oregon and abroad, carnally takes these flesh puppets, and enjoys spreading his seed in them.  He is a wretched misanthropic creature for it, full of hatred, seeking companionship not in his fellow man and sapient intelligence." --GreenReaper(talk) 10:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Support Citations stripped by Mitch on 10/1/2006
Note that when Mitch edited the article, not only did he move allegations supported by links, but removed the links. Moving them back and restoring the supporting links might constitute an "editwar," so I have refrained from doing so at this point.

For instance, he deleted the statement "making up numerous claims about (gays and zoos) on several CYD threads and even threatening to kill them" along with these supporting links:


 * http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1998 - "But of course any sort of criticism to the gay community - who invented drama - is going to meet a limp-wristed backlash."
 * http://www.crushyiffdestroy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=52594 - "You know, fuck it, and fuck (Ebonlupus). [...] You can see the scratches in the wall of his bedroom where his dogs tried to escape. The man didn't last more than a week roughing it in his own back yard. [...] Now Ebon lives in his bedroom, sucking potassium out of his monitor and living off the dole. [...] Given, a minor tweak in our country's legal code, and I'd be taking a weekend off. We border southern Oregon. It's convenient."

In my less-than-humble opinion, removing the statements relevant to the individual discussed in the article and intentionally demeaning them to the level of idle rumor by both placing them under such a heading and deleting referenced, supporting links constitutes an intentionaly and willful effort to whitewash both the user that has made the statements and an attempt to whitewash the forum where they continue to be hosted and continue to serve to rally hostile individuals to do atrocious things. When the statements have supporting links, removing the statements and their supporting links are an intentional NPOV violation. --Chibiabos 16:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * My concern would be that you're implying something from his words that he does not actually say. What specifically do you see as the threat to kill him? --GreenReaper(talk) 20:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "... Given, a minor tweak in our country's legal code, and I'd be taking a weekend off. We border southern Oregon. It's convenient." (Ebonlupus does, indeed, live in that area) --Chibiabos 20:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (And, BTW, I know for a fact Ebon's never abused his dogs, he lived for several years in the woods with no house and no car, they've never clawed the door attempting to escape, he doesn't suck potassium out of his monitor. RF established zero references or credibility to his claims, and in fact having known and lived with Ebonlupus, I refute them ... but RF make a threat there)  --Chibiabos 20:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Railfoxen's post where he said "This constant fellating of Albee is getting out of hand" was not an insinuation that you have "had sexual relations with Timothy Albee"; he was in fact referring to your constant praising of Albee, albeit in a rather exaggerated and vulgar way. Similarly, the bizarre statement about Ebonlupus which you mention there is also hyperbole. I cannot believe that anyone could take either seriously, though I could see someone pretending to do so in order to foment trouble. Mitch 20:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong, RailFoxen's statements were made to foment trouble, and rallied the lynch mob I face on FurryMUCK when I log on there. Following me around online, calling me a "dog rapist", threatening to kill someone I care about are not funny jokes, and only a sadistic psychopath would find pleasure from such online terrorism.  --Chibiabos 20:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mitch's interpretation here. I don't think a regular person reading that would believe that you had, in fact, had sex with Timothy Albee. Moreover, that statement was made by weird_guy_in_the_corner, not RailFoxen. Saying that he made those assertions is just wrong. I have therefore removed that assertion from the article, as just going to the site confirms that it is not true. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I too agree with Mitch's interpretation of the statements. I don't think RailFoxen was stating that you were involved with Timothy Albee, but rather was intentionally exaggerating to make his point.  On the matter of the other statement about the legal code, as GreenReaper stated, it could mean a whole lot of things.  Unless there's additional evidence that it was intended to be a death threat, we cannot treat it as such.  --Douglas Muth 23:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Saying he would "take a weekend off" given "a minor tweak in our country's legal code" (when the tweak and the intent of the trip is not specified) is not a threat to kill someone. Maybe he would go down to have a friendly - or unfriendly chat. Maybe he would be going to visit the local police station to make a complaint. Maybe he intended to get in a fight with him. Maybe he intended to take a gun and shoot him in the head. We don't know, and so we can't make that assertion. We should instead say what he said, if anything. Stick to the facts. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh really? He wants to do something against the law at a house inhabited by someone CYD officially hates and RF in particular has a particular psychosis against Ebonlupus, with many of the article threads on the CYD forums initiated by him.  Not a funny joke to me.  --Chibiabos 22:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it was a funny joke. I said it was not in any way a clear threat to kill someone, which us what you are asserting in the article. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Railfoxen<->Downspin

 * See also Talk:Downspin --GreenReaper(talk) 22:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Salmanazar, could you provide some reference to back up this assertion?. If possible then, motion to merge both articles Spirou 09:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, agree on merge Spirou 17:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)