Talk:Nazi Furs

The Nazi Fur post incorrectly states that I and Evol were involved in "fursecuting" (LOL!) the Nazi Fur group, which is entirely untrue. The person in question regarding the badge is Pochi, which was made clear from the start. Pochi was referred to as the "Diaper Nazi" after a series of incidents at MFM which led to undue drama and the individual urinating in a person's car after his diaper overlowed.

I did not draw the Nazi Fur Babyfur Room Party image, although I did take a picture of it and post it to my journal.

Whoever wrote this misconstrued the facts and made them up to support their claim and further promote drama. --Preyfar 09:25, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, Preyfar!  'was just following orders ;)   I wasn't aware of the full story.  -- Derg —The preceding semi-unsigned comment was added by 69.51.149.137 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 15 January 2006

They came for
First they came for the babyfurs, and I did not speak out, because I was not a babyfur. Then they came for the plushies, and I did not speak out, because I was not a plushie. Then they came for the balloonies, and I did not speak out, because I was not a balloonie. ''Then they came for me. . . and there was no one left to speak out for me.'' --


 * I am they. --ShrikeWolf 06:40, 16 January 2006


 * So sorry - the line for impotent posturing forms to the left, please. --Duncan da Husky 13:59, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * That line is long and the ride isn't very fun. I'm here to ride the lol-cows. --ShrikeWolf 21:51, 16 January 2006

Paraphilia?
How is NaziFur a 'paraphilia'??? -- 206.106.120.18 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably because of the person who asked for this picture (which is the very epitome of non-work-safe - you have been warned). -- 02:45, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)

If Nazifur counts as a paraphilia, so would Sovietfur? In the end, all counts as paraphilia. I would more say Uniforms are a paraphilia, no? ;3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ricadonna (talk • contribs) 22:02, 18 May 2006.


 * Mmm, those cute Sovietfurs . . . the girls who like to say 'da!'
 * I agree that it does seem to be more about the uniform. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You bet I do... I mean. Hmm? ;P
 * But yeah. Uniforms are a paraphilia, since it is a rather wide fetish. And most nazifetishists I know have their focus on uniforms rather than it being nazis. :] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ricadonna (talk • contribs) 10:16, 25 May 2006.

Famous Nazi Furs picture inks up for auction
You've seen the coloured version, now buy the original! Jax has put the inks for up for auction (both links totally NSFW [unless gay furry nazi-clothing-fetish sex is safe for your workplace]). --GreenReaper(talk) 03:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Nazi Fur Logo
Suggestion: instead of a paw, how about a Nazi cap? (I don't know the proper term, sorry). Nazi-philia is an uniform fetish, after all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sirtim (talk • contribs) 05:10, 11 June 2007.


 * "Nazi-philia is an uniform fetish, after all.." Eh, no, no really,... It can also be a historical reenactment or role-play desire, or, in some very minor instances, a belief on the philosophy (yes, Nazi furs,)... as for the logo, we are not a PG site, or try to make family friendly. We are a documentation site of the history, lore, and personal accounts of the furry fandom. That's their logo, that's what it should be displayed, no matter how people feel about it, or worry what others may say/think Spirou 09:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As a NaziFur myself, I just wondered how you thing that one person's opinion on what we've chosen as our logo should make us suddenly change it? It's no one's place, not yours nor this wiki's, to try and force a social group to change what they want to represent themselves.  It is not just a uniform fetish, as you seem to think.  I consider myself in the sub-fandom because I love history, and the history of Nazi Germany and Hitler's ideals absolutely fascinate me.  Yes, I do love the uniforms and other attire as well, however there is much more to it than just that.  How would you like it if, say, someone tried to replace something you are passionate about's identifying logo to something completely irrelevant.  You just don't do that stuff, man. :/  You can't for instance, tell babyfurs that they're not allowed to use a diaper as a symbol.  You can't tell furs in general that a pawprint is an unacceptable symbol.  So stop trying to tell us (the NaziFurs) what we can or can not use as a symbol.  --Banrai  | talk  ( 06 / 11 / 07 )  17.18 (UTC)

An academic perspective from FurNET
This subject came up in a channel on FurNET and the following was said:

Cryo> why call them selves Nazi furs which can easily be miss interpreted as being a part of the fandom while being a and belonging to nazi beliefs

Legion> because we-like-fucking-while-wearing-WWII-style-uniforms-furs gets a tad long

Not really sure if it's Wiki-material, but it sure is funny :D --DarkFoxDK 06:39, 16 October 2009

Ideological group?
From the article I understand that Nazi Furs are solely an interest group and don't promote Nazi ideology. EvilCat 04:31, 6 August 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm sure some do. Besides, Babyfur is listed as a fetish, shouldn't a similar concept apply? Equivamptalk 06:43, 6 August 2011 (EDT)
 * I'm judging from the article only. It states that the group opposes hate behavior, approves only users not involved in hate groups, deletes anti-Semitic posts, and so on. Even if exceptions exist, as a group, it seems, they don't promote Nazi ideology. They could be included in fetish, though, since it's listed as one of the interests. EvilCat 07:08, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

Sorry
I think I crapped up while attempting to undo some vandalism on this page, I think it's fixed now though…Tai 1 (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2015 (EST)

Status as a hate group
Article stated, "The Nazi Furs are not a hate group, per se..."

The word "Nazi," an abbreviation of the German for the political party's name, literally and explicitly defines anyone who uses the name as a hate group. Racial purity is one of the essential principles of Nazism. Targeting a specific group of people is one of the defining features of a hate group.

Nazism is a philosophy based in part on racial purity. That makes "the Nazi Furs" a hate group. If you don't espouse the beliefs of Nazis, you shouldn't use the one word that explicitly identifies those beliefs.

The German government have clearly established their opinion as a nation on the topic. Displaying any Nazi regalia or insignia in Germany is against the law and considered extremely distasteful. This goes as far as displaying imagery evocative of Nazi insignia (such as the NF logo, which is principally the Nazi Party logo with very minor edits). The Nazi Furs would not be permitted to exist in the one nation that best understands the impact of Hitler's regime, and there's sufficient evidence that no existing rights group would feel otherwise if presented with a typical glimpse of what NF have published.

Because there is no second source identifying a qualified individual (other than the Nazi Furs themselves) as stating otherwise, I'd remove the unqualified and untrue statement. It should stay if in fact, an expert on civil rights and hate groups considered their activity non-hate-speech. If NF are the only citable source of this statement, it should be much more clearly stated as their own opinion.

Re literalism: This sort of denial is not uncommon in the fandom. There are furs that claim to embrace sexual attraction to children or animals but do not consider themselves pedophiles or bestialists, but in this particular case, there is one fairly uniform set of legal principles, definitions, and terms that are used world-wide. There is no room for interpretation.

74.74.184.103 12:27, 3 February 2016 (EST)

Rebuff from the founder of Nazifurs (from a 2015 letter to knottcast read on air)
I created the Nazi Furs LiveJournal community in March of 2005. At the time there were only a few of us; chris sawyer, jax the bat, rotekatze and myself, creating art or stories that were set during WII. I sent out a few emails and the community became the first unified group of furs specifically interested in the history of Nazi Germany and the Third Reich set within the furry world.

The intended purpose of the community was to be an umbrella group encompassing the varied interests of individual furs within a specific topic. This was intended to include, but not be limited to, reenacting, uniform fetish, military history and tactics, and anthropomorphic art set during WWII.

I, myself, participate in battle reenactments and living history displays in which we strive to accurately present an impression of what events during the period were like. I am a paramedic in real life and at events i portray a german army medic often providing very real first aid to other reenactors who have injured themselves. My kit rivals in cost what most fursuiters pay for their costumes, upwards of $3000 so far, and includes medical equipment, medication examples, and other every day items to portray a typical medic of the era. Our group started out as a bunch of history nerds talking about our interest in military history and incorporating anthropomorphics into it. We posted book and movie reviews, articles on military history, and art of our characters.

We attempted to prescreen members in the interest of maintaining security within our community. A close eye was kept on all new members and new member post were moderated until it was determined by one of the maintainers that the new member was not, in fact, a fucktard.

We have, in the past, declined requests for membership from racists, trolls, and hatemongerers. We even, unfortunately, had to eject one of our own for posting links to racist content and bringing a personal grudge against another member into the pages of our group.

Soon there were awkward children that think being a nazi is cool just for it's shock value, many of whom we had rejected from the group, showing up at furmeets in uniforms or creating concentration camps on second life and calling themselves nazi furs or furzis. I felt the thing that i had intended to create and curate had become corrupted and so set the community to open membership and simply faded into the background. Now you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who even knows me from back then.

I feel that nazis have become a cliche, distilled to it's core base as "the bad guy" in cheap zombie movies. Much in the same way we have little kids dressing as pirates and ninjas despite both groups having a deplorable history as assassins, rapists, murderers and terrorists of their time. The true horror of atrocities are lost on society a mere 70 years later. The recent 9/11 anniversary in which many of my paramedic and fire fighter brothers lost their lives in service to their community drives this realization home for me as I only saw posts on twitter and facebook about it this year from a smattering of my EMS acquaintances, and that was only 14 years ago. I can still remember where I was on that day. I doubt it will hold the same meaning for my grandchildren that it does for you or me.

This does not excuse the behavior of individuals who put on the uniform of a defunct military to seem edgy and cool though. The same can be said of individuals slapping on soviet regalia, as stalin committed atrocities against the jewish people as well. I just offer it as an insight as to why these kids don't seem to understand the gravity of what they're doing.

After hearing the discussion at the end of last week's episode I felt I should write in and say that what nazi furs has become was never what it was intended to be. Never did i seek to create a group that would go out and intentionally make people uncomfortable.

And to those who have over the years asked me "well why call it NAZI furs then?"... I named it that because "Specialized German WW2 Uniform Fetish" Furs wouldn't fit on the business cards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.42.225.26 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 16 August 2016