Talk:Blackwing Dragon

Controversy Section?
From what I've gathered on Blackwing Dragon, he isn't a paticularly well-rounded individual, and seems to have anger-management issues when on the internet. There are over 46 recorded threats made by him floating around on the website Encyclopedia Draematica, as well as flame war-sparking threads and posts made in the Yiffstar Furoom (like this one).

The reason why I bring these things up is because with the exception of the small change I made to his FA status (inactive to banned, which is true), there's nothing even remotely negative on his WikiFur page, despite the fact that he has certainly done things that would land at least a small paragraph in this.

So now I bring this up for you, WikiFur users. Should there be a section or at the very least a couple of sentences addressing the less positive things in Blackwing's history? --ToyoWolf 09:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I added a small section about his...er, "less-positive" actions to the page. Everything is properly referenced, so no, Blackie, I'm not lying or bending the truth to exaggerate and cause drama. You, I and a slew of others know you said and did this stuff, so why hide it, huh? --ToyoWolf 11:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

NPOV Discussion
So apparently this needs to be discussed. Which way is the lean, positive or negative? If it's the positive lean, I can see that. If it's the negative lean, I can make it more neutral if needed. --ToyoWolf 22:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Examples "for being very (very, very)[...]", "for any reason, at any given time", "(to anyone and everyone)" -- unless these are direct quotes(in which case they should be attributed), they don't belong in a neutral article. --Rat 23:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OKay, I toned down some parts of that. Is there anything else I should do to it? ^_^ --ToyoWolf 23:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it so quickly. If you can see any other way to improve it, go for it. I'll just see if there's a third opinion before removing the npov tag. --Rat 23:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we could possibly get Blackwing's side of the allegations as well? I mean, it IS his WikiFur page and all. --ToyoWolf 07:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Did blackwing make this about himself? The falisities are quite overwhelming. 69.249.147.180 03:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, however it wasn't it's own article. It used to be on his user page, however someone copy/pasted that to it's own page and Mr. Blackie has made further edits to it. There was a Controversy section before the one I made, and it's purpose was essentially the same as the current one - to show the bad things he's done as well. He deleted that section and had gone on a little rampage about it, calling the used who made it a "troll" and blatantly lied to try and get his way. This sparked a short argument on his User Talk page between him and the user who made the original Controversy section, and it ended when he went on a rather tl;dr triade about how he's the victim, none of it's true, typical Blackie post. Somehow he got his way up until now, the original C-section was never remade or reverted.

I re-added the C-section because honestly, Stalin himself couldn't have made such a positive page about himself. It's sickening about how everything about him here is all lovey-dovey, do-gooder and never never EVER says anything bad about him, despite the fact that he has done alot of things that would at least warrant a small paragraph here.

I tried to contact Blackwing via FAP so he could come give his side of the story here (since it's his article), however I was apparently blocked for posting a small comment in his blog (I told him it was a hilarious story and it really was, I've been in a similar situation and got a kick out of it), so he never got the message. However, this may be for the better, judging on how he reacted to the original C-section...--ToyoWolf 07:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

=>My Side<
= Frankly, I return here after half a year after ignoring it. I'm not a publicity monger, or a drama queen. I put this article up to contribute to the fact that I do infact, exist. I haven't touched it in ages, because I only want people to know I am alive, not that I am so and so. This isn't a blog for me. I blocked the person posting the "hilarious story" simply because That's the troll approach I have lately. If a message is successful, it flies into the ban/ignore. You should've introduced yourself properly first. Then again with what you said, ignoring facts to slander at me, I'm glad I did. I don't need people like you in my life, because being my friend and knowing me is a priviledge people appreciate.

So I'm here now, but I didn't read most of it. Obviously there are good and bad sides to anyone - everyone. I've got temperment issues and I'm not a shame to admit it. The sad thing everybody seems to forget is, an overhwleming number of those ED quotes are just quotes. Text. "pics or it didn't happen", as the mantra goes hm? Maybe three or four quotes can be verified. I mean yeah, I do hate Romanians - because they are infesting my country, living off welfare and ACTUALLY mugging and killing people in groups for money. I, as any other normal resident here fear for my damn life when I see them. Getting carried away in voicing that is bad, but that doesn'T change the sad truth.

It's also sad how none of my good deeds get out or get thanked. If people documented THOSE, the list would atleast be equal. But let's face it, tragedies get on the news because they interest people. Kind ol granma sharing her cookies doesn't interest one tenth of the people a big airplane crash would. Frankly, I don't care what a bunch of conceited people think. If they are gullible enough to read a bunch of text by people who don't take *anything* seriously, and beleive it, it's their own stupidity that should be chronicled, not my anger issues.

There are those who've taken the time to get to know me, and speak/act very fondly doing so. Though I don't want details of this to get out, as not once have trolls tried to harass the actual person - but further to the fact I'm not as horrible as they try to make me out to be is I'm not single any more. Not just "not single". Someone in canada thinks I'm so "wonderful" (And I can screenshot you that to prove I'm not licking my own ass), that he is investing an insane amount of time and money in bringing me away from this terrible country (8% inflation, political scandals every day, dying country, police brutality etc etc), into his home to live with him.

Would you do that for some stupid insane angry kid? I don't think so. I'll rest my case here. I have nothing to prove, - they do. If the people who are siding with me wouldn't be afraid of the dramatrain and come out to "testify", there would be a lot cleaner, clearer picture. None of the falsities and delusions people are suffering from involve me - I mind my own business, living my own life, preparing for a "part 2" in Canada within 4 years absolute latest from now. Unlike them, registering under six pseudonyms so far (FAP : JAckdiesel, jackdieseI, dackjiesel and so forth) just to harass me on my own userpage - life here, as sad as it is, is moving forward.

Small edit : The part I did read on how "there is nothing negative on his wikifur page" is quite hilarious. Who would advertise their mistakes? Who HAS negative things on their wikifur page? It's just more proof that you people are out to cause sh*t.

I'm not concentrating on the needless, pointless harassment on others based on a horribly run joke site. I get up, I work, I come home, I cook. This is life, and it's still alien to some who choose to instead shut themselves away. Still, with a future as sweet as the one I have going for me, the whining of some kids trying to make me look bad is nowhere on my "Worry about" list. I still don't think I'll check back to this article often, so just take this reply how you will. I can be reached on Youtube through private messages. Blackie 09:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Blackwing Dragon

I love my dragon <3. 76.164.210.3 10:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Blackwing's Boyfriend

=>Reply<
= "Frankly, I return here after half a year after ignoring it. I'm not a publicity monger, or a drama queen."

Then what's the explination for "Fucking turbanhead drove in, shot her dead, blew himself up..."?

"I put this article up to contribute to the fact that I do infact, exist"

Uh, no, you didn't. This was moved from your user page to it's own article by someone else. EDIT: However, you did make the original user page this was located at, if you meant that then I apologize.

"Then again with what you said, ignoring facts to slander at me, I'm glad I did."

Ignoring facts? Slander? Blackie, the quotes I derived from ED were factual and true. Speaking of which,

"The sad thing everybody seems to forget is, an overhwleming number of those ED quotes are just quotes. Text. "pics or it didn't happen", as the mantra goes hm?"

Yes, that is a common saying in the world of the internet. So is delete fucking everything, which you did to most (if no all) of your LJ posts when those quotes came to light.

"I mean yeah, I do hate Romanians - because they are infesting my country, living off welfare and ACTUALLY mugging and killing people in groups for money. I, as any other normal resident here fear for my damn life when I see them. Getting carried away in voicing that is bad, but that doesn'T change the sad truth."

Not all Romanians are bad though. There's people like that all over the world, man.

"It's also sad how none of my good deeds get out or get thanked . If people documented THOSE, the list would atleast be equal."

But Blackie, they are documented. You should know - you did it yourself.

"I mind my own business'"''

Would you like me to procure FA Forum topics that challenge this?

"The part I did read on how "there is nothing negative on his wikifur page" is quite hilarious. Who would advertise their mistakes? Who HAS negative things on their wikifur page? It's just more proof that you people are out to cause sh*t. "

But see, this is the big difference. If this had stayed your user page, no one except the trolls would really care what you did to it. The user page is yours and yours alone to keep up. However, this is an actual article - Something that gets both the positive and negative sides, whether you want both or not, and is upkept by multiple people.

The only thing I did was add a small section to the article about the negative. Other than possibly the LJ posts (which I could get the quotes from to verify), everything is properly sourced, everything was also typed by you. It's not like the frankly massive positive is really affected by this.--ToyoWolf 03:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

=>The Point<
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The entire problem with the "Controversy" section is that it ISN'T outlining a controversy. A controversy is: "A discussion marked especially by the expression of opposing views." There are no opposing views in that section. At best, it can be called "Criticisms," but then we start to see it's real purpose. The objective of this section isn't to inform, but to troll, and therefore has no place in any article pretending to express "facts". Keep in mind that the term "psychotic" is clinical, and unless you're "Troll Wolf MD" or can cite that point from a reliable source, it's invalid. Also "hothead" is an opinion, but whose? Cite it or drop it. If cited, then you are obliged to provide the quote and state that is is an OPINION, at best.

He was banned from FA, true, but everything else is just basic trolling and a smear campaign.

=>Reply II: The Point<
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"At best, it can be called "Criticisms,""

Okay then, let's call it that.

''"but then we start to see it's real purpose. The objective of this section isn't to inform, but to troll, and therefore has no place in any article pretending to express "facts"."

You are aware that everything in that section if sourced and factual? He actually said this stuff. If I was reading on him, I'd sure like to know that.

''Keep in mind that the term "psychotic" is clinical, and unless you're "Troll Wolf MD" or can cite that point from a reliable source, it's invalid. Also "hothead" is an opinion, but whose? Cite it or drop it. If cited, then you are obliged to provide the quote and state that is is an OPINION, at best.''

Okie-dokie, we'll replace these two terms with "arrogant" and "easily enraged". He has shown arrogance before, and by the dictionary, "enrage" means "to make very angry", and Blackwing has shown that as well in his many death and legal threats, such as this one:

"Here's an idea, shithead. Don't screw around with people, and my friend. One more bullshit out of you and I'm going to sue you so hard, you'll suck my cock all day just for the tip I'm going to give you. Is that getting through to you yet, dumbass?"

"He was banned from FA, true, but everything else is just basic trolling and a smear campaign."

I find it funny that the addition of this section is suddenly "trolling" and a "smear campaign". All of this stuff actually happened! All of these death threats, legal threats, arrogance towards essentially everyone and isn't a fun person to talk to or be involved with if anything negative shows up about him. I'm not trying to troll at all, all I am trying to do is state the facts about Blackwing's more negative side.--ToyoWolf 05:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I love you blackie, however, you did get quite boring, and your all but abandoned FAP page did not bring the lulz i required. :D --JackDiesel

As gleefully evidenced right above this reply, silly trolls frequent my page with no other itnent other than defacing it and indeed, causing trouble. This article and the discussion page will be asked for protection from further vandalism. Your drama belongs on other pages.

Unless you pay the server bill, This is not your page.

Neither do you, except not only do you not pay the bills, this article is not about you - that gives you even less right to post in it than say, the person it's about? Oh yeah...

[last text beeing censored cause of drama]

Exclusion request
The subject of this article has requested personal exclusion. If there are no objections, I intend to perform this exclusion within 24 hours. --GreenReaper(talk) 23:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)