Talk:Fursuit

Image
I'm getting an image for this page that's highly appropriate. I just need a bit of time, and I'll have it up. Almafeta 18:07, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks in advance! :-) -- 04:04, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Errrr, are they still looking for an image or is that the image? Cause that picture looks sexualy provoctave to me and breaks NPOV in my opinion. - 04:01, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * While one could see the image that way, it's pretty harmless and I don't see that it needs to be replaced. --Duncan da Husky 13:23, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * We could still look for a better image that is less likely to be miscontstrued by the casual observer as provocative. Does that sound like a good idea that promotes the principles of NPOV to you?  --Soran Argo 19:26, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm still not sure it's got anything to do with NPOV, but if you think you can find a better image, or an additional one, go right ahead. :-) -- 20:34, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we should have as well - early example of a fursuit? ;-) --GreenReaper(talk) 23:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Fursuit Tutorials on WikiFur
It's something I really miss here and it would add a lot to wikiFur if we do it: different Fursuit Tutorials ordered by costume parts (eg. there are many ways how to do head structure: a metal skeleton or a foam base ...). What do you think? - StalkerAT 2005/12/03 08:08 (UTC)


 * I don't think this is the right place for that. This is an encyclopedia, not a how-to site. Links to how-to sites on the other hand, would be valuable, I guess. --Mickel 16:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a neat idea. Do you envisage these as being collaborative projects like any other page, or "I'll do a personal article about X in my User space and link to it"? -- 08:13, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of collaborative projects. --Rat 01:30, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * @GreenReaper: Of course I do. Everybody does his own thing, the way he thinks is best or the way he learned through Chats, Forums or during the actual building process. So building your fursuit can become a very expensive project with low quality standards. We can use this wiki for something like fursuit.org or fursuit.de, but with working links and images (because of its editability). We can at least teach people to avoid rookie mistakes at the beginning. --StalkerAT 2005/12/19 08:37 (UTC)


 * And helping people avoid costly mistakes that waste valuable resources: Priceless.  In all likelyhood this end up resembling fursuit.org.  I sense topics on Drywall_stilts, Animatronics, and potentially even Cooling_systems.  The future will be an exciting place.
 * --Soran Argo 16:24, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * I hope so. But there's plenty of work ahead of us and I don't think we will accomplish that without plenty of people.--StalkerAT 11:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Confirmation
Can anyone confirm this? I've lost track of my friend that knew Autumn, so I can't confirm it myself. - 67.188.8.40 11:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes it's true. SleepAtWork 21:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that, technically she's transgendered. As such, perhaps it's best if we avoid stating gender?  Many fursuiters like to keep personal real-life identities seperate from their fursuit characters, in any case. -- Autumnfox 09:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutral_pronouns Xe is most common in otherkin and furry circles. Spivak is supposed to be standard. Tretonin 05:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Massive work and restructure
I am planning on adding quite a bit of information. Most likely this will require that I restructure this article into a series of articles... More information will come down the pipe to the page about exactly how later but just as a head's up expect big changes (schematics, general guidelines, links to personal articles, specific subsystems (animatronics, digitigrade emulation, cooling systems)) as specified in above comments. I would expect that this should take me about a few weeks to get to a stable state. -- DeVandalizer 13:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest working out a plan of action and maybe posting it up as a big project under the Community Central. Few ideas and suggestions are as follows:


 * Work on the major subsections first, research and build those. You can then use their 'opening summaries' for the sections text that summarise those subjects on the Fursuit page its self.
 * I suggest maybe when it comes to 'designing' the layout of the more technical articles, that you study how the best of wikipedia does its technical and science articles and how they are writen in a way that explains rather than gives a 'how to' as your source material might. If you want to write a few 'how to's as well, I think they go under personal articles.
 * Any pages of which you are doing lots of writing on, mark with the green 'in progress' template. When you are largely happy with the content, pop it up and mark it on the project page as ready for review. Then everyone can hop in and make talk comments and edits about it, then we can declare it done after that stage.
 * Before you start writing out a main article, you might want to go and make a load of stubs (using your project page to write the red links on) so no one steals the page titles. ^_^; Then each page goes through a four stage process. Stub and plan > Writing > Review > Finalise.

Mmm.. that's all I have for now! Looking forward to this, in perticular how digigrade and animatronics work! ^.^ --Nidonocu - talk 01:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


 * All sounds good to me :) -- DeVandalizer 00:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I created a project page at Project Fursuit Central to plan the project structure and to aggregate project information and comments. I also linked it off of community central under the projects heading. -- DeVandalizer 15:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Spirituality and costuming as identity
I don't recommend realism, where you're trying to make a costume which expresses in perfect and exact physical terms what you feel inside. You'll never get there. Instead, stylised forms allow you to express yourself with a minimal effect. They don't hide your identity with a different one, but instead bring it forth for others to see in a way which masks all the things you don't like about what you've got now.

Plus, it's damn hard to build functional wings. -- Siege(talk) 06:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

God damn furries
YO! WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS WRONG WIT CHU! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.103.110.168 (talk • contribs).
 * Could ask you the same thing, Mr. IP. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 05:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I recently broke a finger, and I think I have a broken toe, and I don't get enough sleep, and I have money problems, and I have to wear glasses... [[Image:Tycon.jpg]]Coyoty 06:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

This. Furry Hater is obvious.Axelfox 21:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page?
I'm not too good at editing the wikis here yet but is there a way to make this article part of a disambiguation that seperates the actual Fursuit from the #Fursuit(IRC) so that a seperate article could be created for the AnthoChat IRC channel? -- Marthaen


 * The way to do that for terms which are the "usual" use of a word is to add an indented italic line at the top with the alternate term, e.g.
 * This article is about the costuming term. For the IRC channel, see #fursuit.

Sexuality
''A small portion* of the furry fandom considers a fursuit a sexual item. ''

* personal opinion used with no statistic to prove this point. Although only a faction of suits are sold "for" sexual activity, a 'large' portion of the furry fandom see them as a sexual item. Not strictly sexual, but a poll found on UKfur.org (will grab link later) will prove that the majority of furs (who took the poll) are at least open to the idea of trying or watching fursuit sex. --Meep-jay (moved from Article to Talk page)

"References"
Odd, upper or lower cased "references", it still gives me a Cite error: tags exist, but no tag was found error. I keep not catching the ref link with the syntax error in it (not touching/editing article in case you are, Green). - Spirou (talk) 19:59, 23 June 2014 (EDT)
 * It looks like it just didn't like it being below the . Kinda weird, since I thought that worked before, but there you go. --GreenReaper(talk) 20:00, 23 June 2014 (EDT)
 * I thought so too. I would have to find another DYN, since those are normally the ones refs are attached to. - Spirou (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

"Zoots"
It is odd to me that there is so much referencing in this article to the term 'zoot' being equivalent to fursuit. The article listed in relation to this term only has one person speaking of it in a google talk group. I have never once heard of this term nor seen it referenced anywhere else in the furry fandom. Should it be removed from this article, as it seems not to add any value or merit to the article in general? -- Snala 01:04, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Yeah . . . I'm not sure it's kosher for an editor to reference themselves to back up usage, either. :-) There are a variety of uses from 1997-2002 on alt.lifestyle.furry. The term seems to have fallen out of fashion at that point - it may only ever have had a presence on a.f.f - and I don't think we should claim it has currency by including it or its derivatives in "also known as". If you asked an average furry what a "zoot" is, they'd think more of this. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:53, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Here is a fursuit lexicon from fursuit.org in which "zoot" is mentioned as a lesser-used synonym for fursuit. They may have got it from The Fursuit FAQ (version 5, compiled April 27, 2001; although it looks like the data is from May 5, 2000) which mentions it as a "less acceptable slang term" that "some do not like". So we can be fairly secure in saying it was known and sometimes used up to around 2000-2001. --GreenReaper(talk) 02:34, 26 June 2014 (EDT)
 * Added/defined term usage and timeline, added verifiable ref links for verification for post-Google era readers. - Spirou (talk) 02:37, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

"Fursuit" is a male or female word?
I mean... (I speak Spanish, so the gender needs to be really especific sometimes) And I always use "fursuit" as a female term. So if I say something like "una fursuit" is like saying "female-a fursuit".

It's a no-gender word? Anyone can use the word how he/she wants to?


 * Fursuit (fur-soot, noun. plural: fursuits. American English [gender neutral]). Abbr. suit; slang (American English): zuit, zoot. See also Fursuiter - Spirou (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2015 (EDT)


 * A Spanish friend of mine suggests that the correct answer in Spanish is male because the gender of the closest concept is used, which in this case is "el trage" ("a suit"); hence the term would be "el/un fursuit". There's a South American word for "animal disguise", bortaga which is female-gendered, but he says that isn't in common use. Of course you could perhaps make "la fursuit" into a joke for male fursuiters who are wearing female suits, or murrsuits… :-p --GreenReaper(talk) 13:41, 13 September 2015 (EDT)

Change the "sexuality" section?
I think it would be correct to specify the fact that, the sexual acts whit fursuits isn't precisely a "fandom thing".

That is more like a variation of ursusagalamatophilia (i.e. philia to stuffed-animals and stuff), but technically isn't something of the fandom (and it's something that doesn't have anything to do whit furry, except for the fursuits). In anycase, the "fursuit-sex" is so rare that is almost non-existent.

Do you think this part sould be changed?


 * I'm uncertain about "so rare it is almost non-existent". My impression is that there are videos floating around on places like XTube, FurriesXtreme, etc. It'd be nice to have some kind of statistics on this. Not sure if the Anthropomorphic Research Project has asked fursuiters about it. It may be fair to say that costumed sex is not more prevalent within furry fandom than outside of it, but a) I'm not sure that's true, and b) we can't plausibly make such a statement without comparative statistics. --GreenReaper(talk) 19:20, 20 September 2015 (EDT)


 * Ursusagalamatophilia is the mainstream term for the sexual paraphilia with Teddy Bears (the mainstream culture icon named after President Teddy Roosevelt). Plushophilia can refer to the sexual attraction to plushies (including mainstream bought Teddy Bears). A fursuit is a costume, not a stuffed animal. Rare?. Okay, this post is now beyond me, I lost what the point is =P. - Spirou (talk) 20:48, 20 September 2015 (EDT)