Talk:The Lion King/Who was the cub?

Any idea what category this article should be assigned to? --mwalimu 22:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what "fans" think
Facts in itself, is neutral. And it is fact that it was Kiara at the end of Lion King. Those who believe it's not is just delusional. Simba's first son dying is a big deal, or Simba having a son at all is a big deal. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED in the second movie. 24.14.120.92 02:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source that backs your statement up? Otherwise, this is simply your interpretation of events, and that falls outside NPOV. Carl Fox 07:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's called The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride! 24.14.120.92 18:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Simba's Pride is a good enough reference for the article as written without your updates. I happen to agree that the cub at the end of TLK is probably supposed to be Kiara.  Nevertheless, it is possible to make somewhat plausible arguments to the contrary (based on such things as coloration/appearance issues, canonical value of TLKSNA), and there are some fans who believe it's not her.  No matter how firmly you're convinced you're right, you cannot simply dismiss that there are some who feel otherwise. --mwalimu 18:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion the idea of what is canon and what isn't is very hard to describe. A persons enjoyment of a film or book etc. is a very personal thing, and it's for this reason I feel it isn't enough for an author or director to come out and say "This is how it is, end of story." It puts it into a black and white perspective for most people. If you're a fan who thinks that cub is Kopa, if that's how you want to enjoy the film, then believe that. If you want to believe it's Kiara, believe that. As a fan you can create your own continuity. Consider if David Lynch came out and told everyone just exactly what Eraserehad was about - what fun would that be? That philosophy of deciding things as a fan for yourself can be applied to all forms of fandom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.61.118.78 (talk • contribs).

Could it be that Kopa was born AFTER Kiara? I know that's weird to consider, but why is it set in stone that Simba only had one kid or that Kopa is older than Kiara? After the events of Lion King 2, he could have had another son named Kopa. It would have made more sense for Kiara to be alive and not present in the story of Kopa (maybe off with Kovu) than it would be for Kopa to have been born and not present in the story of Lion King 2. That would make Lion King 2 a prequel to the little book with Kopa in them, because technically Kopa came first, but Kiara would be older.--71.74.89.197 20:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Kiara or Kopa?
I personally believe that the cub at the end of The Lion King is not Kiara, but Kopa. I do realize that Disney is leading us to believe that cub is Kiara, but it honestly doesn't make all that much sense. If the cub is Kiara, than why is she presented to the Pridelands a second time in Simba's Pride? Also, Disney leaves out the crucial information about why Zira and some of the other lionesses were banished. It seems to me that if we add Kopa into the equation, everything makes more sense. Perhaps the reason we don't see him in Simba's Pride is because he was killed by Zira, possibly with the help of the other banished lionesses. And based on Zira's personality, we can all safely say she is one to hold a grudge, and she will crave revenge. Who is to say that before she tried to kill Simba to avenge Scar, she killed Kopa. Simba could've caught Zira (and possibly other lionesses) after she (they) killed Kopa, and perhaps that is why they were sentenced to exile. Maybe Zira was trying to get revenge on Simba for banishing her and avenge Scar in Simba's Pride. Who could say that doesn't make sense, and maybe it's a good possibility? --Brigirl9 19:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually the whole speculation is pointless. "Simba's Pride" contains many serious plot holes and internal contradictions that is not accepted as "real" sequel by many fans. Animation team couldn't draw even Simba and Nala correctly. So any violations of original movie's plot (no room for Zira and her gang) or character models can be explained with negligence of "Simba's Pride" team.

Personally me hate "Simba's Pride" and I don't care how many pages of another stupid explanation would write another stupid fan who doesn't understand 3 simple things: 1) Any important thing in movie's universe must be shown. 2) Disney doesn't care about such "stupid things" how huge plot holes characters' model violations and what fans would think. 3) Zira can do anything but any crime doesn't explain where her other lionesses were. Scar could have a wife or girlfriend she can be angry and would be exiled just after Scar's death. No problems with it. But TLK strongly suggest that there was no strong support for Scar among lionesses and even hyenas started to complain otherwise there would be no sense and no chance for Simba to deal with the hyenas and another pride as big as his own. SP rapes TLK's plot in totally pervert way.

I just think the cub at the end of TLK is Kopa, and the cub shown in TLK:SP is Kiara. There. Done -Akira

Why is the TLK: 6 new stories thing even brought up?
That's a fanfiction. It was not published with the knowledge or consent of the copyright holders, and is as much a reliable source about the canon of TLK as My Immortal is to Harry Potter. Equivamptalk 15:00, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
 * If you're referring to "The Lion King: Six New Adventures", it was a commercially published set of children's books, not a work of fanfiction. (Having said that, I concur with reverting the changes; the fact that he seems to have trouble differentiating between story timeline and real-world time is only one of several reasons.)  --mwalimu 16:15, 14 July 2011 (EDT)