Talk:MILFurs

Should we have a list of MilFurs on this page?
I recall a recent discussion on another article where it was questioned whether we should allow articles to have lists of information that are collected from other sources, and whether that would constitute using WikiFur as a webspace provider. I'm wondering the same thing about the list on this page.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have the information on the wiki, but I'd like to suggest a couple of alternative ways to present it:
 * A category called "MilFurs" or similar
 * A resource template, to be included from the article of each person, which lists name, rank, and other attributes that are currently on the list, and optionally including a "MilFurs" category as well.

I'd be willing to implement either/both of those two solutions, but I'd like to hear what others think first. Am I going down the right path here? --Douglas Muth 14:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, didn't know I still existed on this list. :P Perhaps we should add list of contact emails/IMs/profiles as well?


 * (*Sigh*) Yes, I started it as just documenting Shockwave's old MILFur list on ALF, last updated on 2000, I looked at the almost finished article, it looked at little dry an jumble, so I thought "Could I table it?" (FyI, this was my first attempt on creating tables, oy,...,) and it looked good! =)


 * ...Then it looked like something we just deal with recently, as you, Dmuth, have also noticed (doh.) I was going to argue that "no, this is, well... Kind of,...website vs Usenet article,... uh," but, I would be in hypocrite in doing so, so I will ask the help from other editor about this, as Dmuth as already done. My contribution (one based on one of Dmuth's suggestions:
 * An article, MILFurs (Duty roster) with the tabled information puled from this article, and then linked back to it with a note in MILFurs announcing something like "For a roster of all present or former, active or reserve furry servicemen/servicewomen, please see:" Just my two cents Spirou 19:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think a List of MILFurs could be interesting to have, so long as it's not duplicating an outside source. However, n/a surely isn't correct under Real name! -- Sine 20:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, really trying to rush thru to finish an initial entry before going to bed,... it's not indexed either (alphabetically,)... As per List of MILFurs, speaking military wise, it would be written as MILFur (listing), or MILFur (group roster), or MILFur (roll call), or MILFur (muster call),... Xp Apologies, Navy paperwork flashbacks Spirou 23:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Reason for revert
I reverted the blanking for several reasons:


 * A) This is a list that been published for several years with no problems with the concern of privacy.
 * B) I known most of said MilFurs, as I'm one, and have yet to have one ask me to remove their names, as I ask their permissions to add it here, as they were more than honored.
 * C) Several of the newer ones were entered by the users themselves after announcing the the inclusion on Wikifur, so those could be the ones asking to be removed, as they know they can remove themselves

So, you may ask the specific parties to remove themselves, as they are free to do so, or ask a Wikifur Admin for that task in case of a problem of doing directly for privacy reasons (an Admin, not an editor. See Category:Voluntarily excluded people.) Blanking the whole roster, including in people wishing to remain in it, is not fair to such individuals Spirou 05:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I support the reversion of the blanking, and would also like to point out that I have seen furs talk about being in the military, getting deployed to Iraq, etc. in public places such as LiveJournal in the past without any concerns. In fact, this is the first I have ever heard anyone cite OPSEC.  --Douglas Muth 05:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * One of the issues here is the usage of real names. A number of MILFurs have brought it to my concern as the moderator of the LJ community that the usage of real names presents an issue. Many furs don't like having their real names out there and there raises an issue of any anti-military persons getting a hold of a list of real names and causing potential harm. Personally, I like the list! Can this table be revised to omit real names? This would still be a complete and accurate list without said real names. --Kendricks Redtail 20:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, they can be omitted if privacy is a concern, but it's up to a user or Admin to do so (It wasn't implied that it was a policy set in stone to keep anybody's name there forever.) But, some people on the list are quite happy (or don't care what people may think of their Military service career) to display their name, so it's a juggling act to respect both camps.


 * Just pass the word if their names being displayed could be a concern, themselves (it's a living/self-editable document,) or an Admin will be more than happy to effect such removal =) Spirou 21:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Logos
Noticing we picked up a Canadian member. Can we find the corresponding seal for completeness sake, Spirou? --Kendricks Redtail 03:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Done and done =) Spirou 04:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

accuracy of 212.54.197.52 edit?
I'm not sure of the accuracy of a recent edit by 212.54.197.52. I wonder who 212.54.197.52 is and what their sources were. The changes of the edit include:
 * IonOtter's family-name from Andrews to Antilety
 * Timm Woolfe's status changed from unknown to deceased --EarthFurst 02:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I can confirm that the namechange on IonOtter is correct. --Douglas Muth 03:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Google returns one hit on TImm's death:
 * 5/14/05 - Sable Productions pays respect to the passing of John Hey aka Timm Woolfe. (July 17, 1936 - May 13, 2005 ) Rest in peace. - Ludwig v. Göff

Name, Rank, and Serial Number ?
It would be interesting to see ranks listed, when known. --Lynn Onyx 09:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be interesting, but then since some people never update their information on the page it won't be accurate as they get promoted Flinch 14:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Military brat furs
im just wondering..what about military brat furs? ...


 * I would say that info would go in an user's article or personal page - Spirou 21:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

List
I'd prefer to see person articles created for the various redlinks, and a see also to Category:Milfurs rather than a list in this article. -- Sine 16:32, 8 August 2011 (EDT)

Confirmation section
Got on Anthrochat's Furry IRC channel. Caught tail end of ongoing discussion concerning bragging about creating fake Wikifur articles. when queried channel, silence, except one reply pointing out a couple MILFur entries were not Kosher. will try to match names to articles to confirm - Spirou 23:12, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

Article appropriate place for a list of people?
WikiFur being an encyclopedia, not a directly, I still feel a list of people isn't appropriate in an article. See 2006 discussion above... -- Sine 01:23, 23 May 2013 (EDT)