Talk:Watch Your Step

Blog has been removed. Likewise, the forums are gone. Equivamptalk 02:21, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

I've put reference format to two statements, using article edit history to reconstruct assumed retrieved dates, and cut the rest of still-unreferenced statements. -- Sine 14:24, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Question to GreenReaper
GreenReaper, how confident are you that you transcribed the list of names accurately during the article's creation? (It seems to me you are someone unlikely to have slipped up whilst copying such a list from a website to here.)--Higgs Raccoon 14:45, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Pretty sure if I put it, it was there at the time. I wouldn't have had a reason to randomly insert a name (not to mention that I didn't recognize half the names, including the one in question). --GreenReaper(talk) 14:51, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
 * In addition, SilverAutomatic mentioned several names in passing of people he had covered who had not "affected him personally", including the name in question. I am therefore restoring it. --GreenReaper(talk) 14:55, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Alin Raven was not on that site if he was at no point in time was he told he was! please post reference because if i was on a site I'm sure I would know of it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlinGrizzly (talk • contribs).


 * The reference is already linked on the page. SilverAutomatic says "But lets take a look at that for a second: Alin Raven, Aurasoul, and Valereth all never did anything personal to me." when responding to a claim that he only covered people who had personally affected him. This means that Alin Raven was one of those covered on the site. --GreenReaper(talk) 15:12, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

I don't remember anyone discussing a "Alin Raven" on the WYS Forums. Also not everyone who was listed/talked about did anything. They harassed a lot of people who didn't deserve it. 95% of their so called info was rumors.

--Sniffindahouse

there is no article about me my name is said in passing with no other information that is not a reference. just because someone says my name doesn't mean I'm covered anywhere i never even herd of that site! and to put me on this with theses other people that truly have done horrible things is just plain wrong! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlinGrizzly (talk • contribs).


 * It was not the kind of site that tells people when they are talking about them. Whether it was "truly wrong" is a matter of opinion. We are saying that you were covered on the site, which is a fact. --GreenReaper(talk) 15:18, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

facts can be shown to be facts this can not. If I was listed which I was not there would be an archive of that and there is not so that is proof I was not on there! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlinGrizzly (talk • contribs).


 * Your "proof" does not make sense. Websites go down all the time, and they are not all archived up by someone. We actually have more proof for you than most, because SilverAutomatic mentions you explicitly as someone who was covered on the site. Regardless, I wrote the original version of this article back in September 2010, when the site was still up. Are you saying I lied about who was on it? --GreenReaper(talk) 15:27, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

I'm not saying you lied. I'm saying you made a mistake! That is all! Lets be big about this. You need to back up the claim I was on that site and a post on a blog doesn't do that! I'm the person thats posted about in this article and I'm asking for proof and clarification that I was honestly on that site as I have never herd it or of the people posting in it and I say thats extremely fishy! please remove my name until you can show with out doubt that i was on the site and not just referenced to! The article you say is a reference never even remotely comes close to saying I was on the list! It seems like your reading what you want to out of that and not what it says! I know people have a tendency to see and hear what they want but the article its self clearly spells it out! I don't know what I did to make you hate me but I really wish you would stop as I'm not a bad person and I have done allot of good! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AlinGrizzly (talk • contribs).


 * It would be hard for me to mistakenly add a random name. I think a post by the person who owned the site combined with my observation at the time is, in fact, sufficient evidence that you were covered. But there are two questions here - should we list your name, and should we list any names. So let's see what everyone thinks:

Should this article list those covered by "Watch Your Step"?

 * Yes
 * Their coverage is a matter of fact. All it communicates is that SilverAutomatic felt the subjects were worthy of censure. WikiFur is not agreeing with him by mentioning his opinion, nor does this count as "personal information" for the purpose of our exclusion policy. --GreenReaper(talk) 16:10, 28 May 2012 (EDT)


 * No
 * The article is about the page "Watch Your Step" and not about the people posted in it. When you read a page about the main site of Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki or about Wikifur http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/WikiFur_Furry_Central they do not list the names of every person posted on there sites. If people want to know who is on a site they search the site and not that sites information page! Could you imagine how long pages would get if on the main about page they listed everyone and everything on the site! --AlinGrizzly 4:26, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Is the evidence sufficient to include Alin Raven in such a list?

 * Yes
 * SilverAutomatic mentioned Alin in response to an assertion that the "Watch Your Step" list includes only those who have personally affected him. In addition, his presence on the list was recorded here back when the site was up. We have previously allowed material to remain despite the loss of a reference when it was added by a trusted editor who had access to the resource at the time of editing. --GreenReaper(talk) 16:10, 28 May 2012 (EDT)


 * No

I do not see where is says I was listed on the page. I do not see where links to the supposed page with my information is. I do see him saying I never did anything to him. I'm curious as to how someone I never met or spoke to that admits that I never did anything to him could say I was an annoyance! That alone would discredit anything he had to say about me as his opinion was based on second hand, false information! There is no real reference to me ever being posted on that site. The link offered as a reference dose not say any of the names listed where on the site. I believe my name and all the names should be removed because the page is about "Watch your step" and not about the people supposedly posted on it. --AlinGrizzly 4:39, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
 * SilverAutomatic whom I do not know said in his post "Well considering how it's /my/ site, then I guess it isn't all the odd that I talk about people who annoy /me/. But lets take a look at that for a second: Alin Raven, Aurasoul, and Valereth all never did anything personal to me. They were an annoyance, not much more. But nothing that effected me personally."

Extent of article
Since what WikiFur has on this website is a short stub, I'm against removing what little specific information we do have (names/topics). I would not be in favour of preferentially removing only one or some names. -- Sine 17:13, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Even if there posted there wrongfully?

The only reason the article is so short is because everything I added to it got removed. Its almost like you guys want as little info as possible posted about Watch Your Step. Since when do you do damage control for people? I thought this was suppose to be an impartial place to discuss aspects of the fandom. --Sniffindahouse


 * I reviewed the edit history on this, and the information added by Sniffindahouse, which I presume to be true, it was tagged with requests for references by Spirou.  When no references for these sections could be provided, particularly for accounts of who trolled who, the unreferenced sections were removed.  As demonstrated by the repeated omission edits made by AlinGrizzly that are continuously reverted by both GreenReaper and Spirou, the issue here is not that the article is edited for any 'damage control', rather for unreferenced claims about the actions of others.  --BlueOtter 14:05, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

If my edit was removed for "unreferenced claims about the actions of others" then wouldn't that mean AlinGrizzly has been right this entire time about him not being mentioned on WYS? All Greenreaper seems to be able to link as a "reference" is stuff on here and not anything Silver supposedly wrote about Alin. Therefore the people claiming Silver talked about him are not providing any kind of credible reference to support their claim. --Sniffindahouse