Talk:Transgender

It is getting to the point where I think every factual terminology article here is horribly skewered because the people who wrote it have never heard the word used outside the fandom. --? 11:21, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that this entry is broken, but I'm kind of up in the air as to where to go with it. I had considered copying the opening section of the Wikipedia entry on transgender, but that contains a lot of wiki links for terms that aren't (and probably shouldn't be) included in WikiFur. I need to think about this a bit more. Anyone have other ideas? --Duncan da Husky 12:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * It'll go on my mental list of "articles to make less bad," and I'll hopefully get around to it in a few days or something. --[[Image:xaxtiny.png]]? 12:12, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

More references, plz
I added one to back up my use of terminology, but otherwise most of the stuff I have at hand at the moment is pretty complex-- not particularly friendly to those without a lot of prior information. Also, if anyone has a good resource on trans etiquette for allies, it'd probably be helpful.--Dysperdis 22:14, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Terminology
As a trans person myself, I feel like it should be noted that while some trans people use the term, the term "transsexual" is often considered by some to be outdated, inaccurate, and even derogatory. It does mean a transgender person who has had sex reassignment surgery, but not all transgender people are willing or able to transition fully and I don't think it should be considered a seperate thing in this article.

It should also be noted that the section of the article discussing "transsexuals" cites the WHO, and while I haven't read the whole article, I am going to assume it talks of transgender people as a mental illness or disorder, which is often considered very disrespectful and inaccurate, much like how homosexuality was once considered a disease by homophobes only decades ago.

In short, sources referring to "transsexualism" or "gender-identity disorder" are best considered inaccurate and likely written by cisgender people. While these terms are sometimes used by those in the transgender community aswell, their use is often both controversial and dwindling. 98.168.250.41 19:12, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Proposal for deletion
This article fails to properly describe transgender and is full of outdated references and (partially derogatory) terminology, such as "transsexual".

My arguments for a total deletion are that Wikipedia offers a much more comprehensive attempt at a definition of the term and Wikipedia is more likely to be kept up-to-date and checked by actual tansgender persons. Wikifur should not aim to define terms that are not central to, or originate from the furry community. Any attempt to define transgender in a, for the lack of a better term, fringe wiki will always result in an article that is outdated and quite possibly very derogatory.

I want to highlight a few issues with this article:
 * Use of transsexual as a synonym for transgender. Transsexual seems to be an outdated term, as terminology has moved towards a focus on gender identity rather than sex and "switching" sexes - hence also the terminology for sex reassignment/reconstructive surgery, or gender confirmation surgery, rather than sex change.
 * Transition is not purely medical/surgical. Transition is, I would argue, more about expressing one's gender identity. This shows a severe lack of understanding on the side of the author.
 * Medical transition is not limited to injections and/or surgery.
 * Quantitative assumptions without source, such as …many individuals are unable to do so…, Many female-to-male transsexuals…
 * Speaking of *-to-* terminology: modern and respectful terminology would be "trans woman" and "trans man". Again, gender identity is not about switching sex but about confirming one's gender.
 * General lack of understanding or respect for gender identity
 * Perpetuating or even creating stereotypes and mistaking character gender with ("player's") gender identity.


 * I made some changes to the article. I do not think it should be deleted, but it could stand to be merged into LGBT along with Sexual orientation (to which LGBT currently redirects). There's been coverage of the significant overlap between furries and LGBT communities, both in and outside the fandom, which this wiki is currently remiss to lack discussion of. The article LGBT should probably focus on succinct coverage with links to Wikipedia for more info (a la the now-current ones on both this article and at Sexual orientation) and from there cover mostly furry connections, media coverage, surveys and statistics, etc. --Equivamp - talk 14:06, 7 March 2019 (EST)


 * I would argue that sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with transgender, so if current up-do-date information regarding transgender is merged into LGBT, then LGBT should no longer redirect to sexual orientation. --nifela (talk) 14:16, 7 March 2019 (EST)


 * Yes, under my proposal, both Sexual orientation and Transgender would be merged into LGBT. --Equivamp - talk 14:20, 7 March 2019 (EST)