Talk:Kacey Miyagami

USC
I have a hard time figuring out what university 'USC' is the acronym for - do any of you know which one it is? On a side note, unlinked and/or unexplained abbreviations should be a definite no-no in wiki articles. --MKerris 00:47, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * Almost certainly the University of Southern California. I haven't heard the term used for any other university, although I'm sure they exist. -- 01:10, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * West coaster :-) Obviously, you've never heard of the Fighting Gamecocks of the University of South Carolina! --Duncan da Husky 13:09, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * USC is University of Southern California.

Legal Issues
I would like to see some more proof for the allegations presented, I mean if your gonna defame someone online, you might as well post all of the evidence, if I dont see a reason to keep anything that does not have a backing references section.--Alohawolf 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I am writing an email to the staff of Further Confusion right now. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:28, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * AAE director Lee Strom has replied, informing me that AAE declines to comment on the issue, in accordance with their policy of handling such matters privately wherever possible. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Another issue that has been raised is whether or not we should have Mozdoc's real name on here. Thoughts are welcome. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree with removing his real name. I originally would have been fine with removing it, but with the latest death threats against Kacey and Noriko, I don't believe he should be allowed the same protection we provide to those involved with more petty issues (such as Akida/Jason A.). If he's concerned that a future employer may find this information about him, then too bad, so sad. He brought these consequences on himself, and I'd honestly rather have people know that Mozdoc has made repeated death threats to others, and has harassed to the point of a restraining order. This isn't stupid furry drama. See Sibe. Spaz Kitty 22:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not a matter of an employer, thats a part of public record.. its a lack of published evidence nevermind what is going on now, lemme take you back to 2004, I founded Califur, at that Noriko came to me and demanded that I preemptively ban Mozdoc, because of TRO, I refused unless I saw the same evidence so I could make the same threat assessment, that the court did, he refused to provide that information to me at the time, and the things he did show me were, nothing more then childish online whining, when I refused, he alluded in email to suing me and the convention for refusal to ban someone. I have no idea what Noriko intended to happen, but at the time and to a lesser extent, I see someone who is using their power, and prestige, not to mention the criminal justice system to injure someone who is about as dangerous as a fly, I have been involved with these two idiot (both of them are), for 4 years now, and its beginning to frustrate the hell out of me. I think however someone ought to either provide backing for all of the allegations or clean the thing up.--Alohawolf 02:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Dangerous as a fly"? 'Flies' don't make death threats, at least two of which are publicly written. Spaz Kitty 02:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ...please tell me you're not serious. "We all die", so death threats saying "you're going to die" should be taken so lightly? Either way, he also stated on FurAffinity that he was going to "seek out to destroy and kill them". That's a little harsh for someone as "dangerous as a fly", don't you think? If they ended up dead, the cops would head to his door first. Spaz Kitty 03:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the issue I have here is that, regardless of whether or not you think someone is actually going to follow through with such a threat, the potential damage if it is actually carried out is so high that it's just not acceptable to ignore it. Organizations like conventions simply can't ignore someone saying that kind of thing. It's just not safe to do so. Think of the liability and personal guilt that you would have if someone really did commit murder at a convention and as a staff member you knew they'd threatened it beforehand. And that is why the threats have to stop. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He could be the NICEST guy in the world. But let me tell you. I've worked in several security positions at various levels, including government. Threats of murder, terrorism, etc. should NEVER be taken lightly. You're dealing with the risk of human lives here. That they were concerned enough to go out and get a court order is enough to tell you that they take it seriously enough. Yes, it's the Internet. But what if it was the mail? or the phone? or irl? Is it any less serious? I think we take far too many things as lolz on the Internet anymore. And it's going to bite someone in the ass. Because you're going to pick up the paper and read that this guy chopped them up and put them in the fridge and people will say there was no warning and you'll think to yourself, I saw the threat on the net and I just loled. Human life and personal safety is NOTHING to lol about. There is enough public gathering of furry where he can take that "seething anger" out on the Miyagamis at any time. Califur, AC, MFF, Further Confusion. It makes no difference.--Kendricks Redtail 03:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I ought to state this publicly as well, having been on the sidelines of the dispute between Noriko and Jeremy, I need to say another few things.

This seems to be intentional on the part of Noriko, every 6 months or so it flares up, one side or the other does someting or another to piss the otherside off, and they retaliate, its like watching the Israelis and the PLO go back and forth, back and forth, Noriko has yes to share the evidence of what happened in '04, claiming to do so would violate Jeremy's privacy, which still, no matter what Mozdoc has said, screams to me that this whole thing is provoked with intent, he used a TRO to keep Moz out of FC, and tried to do the same to Califur. Now dont get me wrong, Jeremy is by no means faultless in this, he has shot his mouth of more times then I have patience to count, and acted like an overall idiot, but from my perspective what Noriko is doing, is a bit like poking the lion, not once or twice, but repeatedly, then complaining loudly when it bites, its not about threats online, its about a conflict, which for better then 4 years has been escalating on both sides, with seemingly no resolve in sight.--Alohawolf 09:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to throw in my two cents here, it is my understanding that TROs are not something that courts grant lightly. You generally have to prove to the court that the person you are seeking the order against presents a danger to you.
 * From a convention running standpoint, I can certainly understand a why folks would not want to get involved in a disupte between two parties. However, when things get to the point of a TRO, that tells us that the matter has escalated to the point where law enforcement has deemed it necessary to separate the combatants, so to speak.
 * As someone else mentioned, I question the wisdom of refusing to honor a TRO. I feel that doing such could have serious legal consequences for the organization, should a situation arise at the convention.
 * That's my 2 cents on the matter. --Douglas Muth 18:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * In other states perhaps, but not here, its quite trivial to get the TRO, I also consulted a lawyer at the time who advised me to stay out of it, I refused to 'preemptively' honor a TRO, had both of them shown up at the convention I would have been forced to work with the local police to enforce the order. --Alohawolf 06:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that this grudge will only keep going if you continue kindling it. I've urged my client (whose personal information I removed from this page at his request, pending a decision on further action) to be an adult about this and let the matter go, and would like to encourage you to do the same. You can get a hold of me at mkb(at)libero.it if you have any questions.


 * I don't think any of us are here to "attack" or to "kindle" or to do whatever. WikiFur is meant to be a historical chronicle and unfortunately we have some very undesirable chronicles in our history (See:Sibe) Some contributors and non-contributors feel strongly that people have a "moral right to privacy", and this has compelled removal of factually correct information from articles in some cases. At the same time, there are those who consider it to have a moral duty to other members of the fandom to preserve history, especially when they believe there is an unstated reason to remove it. Balancing the two views is not always easy and someone is bound to be affected here. I'm going to assume that you're a legal counsel by usage of the term "client." As such, we'd like to remind you of our policy on legal stuff. If you have further immediate concerns and questions, I'm going to refer you to the lead administrator of the project, GreenReaper, for his say in the matter. In the meantime, in accordance with our policies here, I have hereby locked the article in question. Neither Mr. Wetzel nor the Miyagamis nor anyone that isn't an administrator is permitted to make any sort of edits until this issue is resolved. Which will take a while, I suspect, after viewing the defendant's general attitude about things. Maybe if he were to calm down and issue a SINCERE and very public apology to the injured, that might be a good first step.--Kendricks Redtail 09:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to ask you again that my client's personal information be removed from this page while we work to reach a mutually satisfying resolution to this conflict. Please email me (mkb(at)libero.it) as soon as practical. Let me know if creating an account on this wiki will speed up communications.


 * Your client? And who are you exactly?  I did a lookup on your email address, and this page identifies you as one "Matteo K Borri" and lists you as a "Sysadmin" at St. Mary's Universary in Texas.


 * We're not going to remove this information just because you ask us to. As has been stated, this is an ongoing legal issue which is a matter of public record, and the article represents that information in a factual manner.  --Douglas Muth 14:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If the article is likely to have to remain locked for more than a few days, I would like to suggest temporarily moving the Legal Issues section to a separate article, e.g. Kacey Miyagami/Legal Issues. There is a great deal more content in this article unrelated to the incidents and issues in question, and I think we should keep these accessible for unrelated edits and updates while the controversial section is locked down.  --mwalimu 20:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

1 - Duth, even when a court is involved, you have to take the findings and judgement with more than a few grains of salt. ESPECIALLY when a court is involved. It would take me DAYS to give you even so much as the basics of all of the wrongful convictions just within my area. Suffice to say, the legal system is not so much about guilt or innocence anymore - it's more a combination of cash cow for the county/state and a glorified popularity contest.

2 - Wait a minute... let me get this straight... Noriko is a HE????? But, but, but... on their wikifur entry, they are listed as a SHE, as well as being the WIFE of Kacey Miyagami. WTH????

AnthroSamurai 18:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

More background info on Mozdoc
Some Googling turns up that this Wiki is not only the not the first place that Mozdoc has been banned from, but it is also not the first time that he lashed out with obscenities and threats:


 * Chat logs of him posted to silentpaws.com
 * Player's Account Hacked - Details of Mozdoc breaking into another player's account on Spindizzy, from @action News
 * His letter to the editor - Published in @action News, the newspaper of Spindizzy MUCK
 * "Mozdoc Delights, Amuses Wizards With Inept Demands" - A listing of MUCKs Mozdoc has been banned from, From @action News
 * One of his comments on Flayrah

Seeing that his recent behavior is not an isolated incident, I think it is all the more reason why this information should stay in the article. --Douglas Muth 15:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * also let us add in the following items:


 * his fur affinity post against noriko & kacey
 * his older posts on furbid
 * post on epilogue
 * banned deviant art account - banned for harassment 1 2 as well as posting multiple alterations of copyright material - the first and the second both named exactly as were uploaded, which were referred to me by a friend.
 * attack on goldfur


 * re above there robert (alohawolf) need i remind you, it is you who approached me wanting to know what was going on. it was you who demanded i let you act as mediator between jeremy and myself where furbid-sf is concerned. if you want fact, it is there. follow the link to the restraining order. it existed, and is a matter of public record. also follow the links above, you will find some examples of harassment. if you wish more i have them. if you would like to see emails, you need to get his permission. if you want to read over what he sent me today under his name fifthstreetfur:
 * "[10:33] fifthstreetfur: Why you little sack of shit mother fucking BITCH. I will fucking kill you.  God damn it I mother fucking HATE YOU.  God damn it I am trying so mother fucking hard to fuck your miserable ass and use Furbid against your god damn will because your reasons for keeping me off are absolutely mother fucking stupid.  The fucking restraining order against me has expired you little stupid shit, so that means that your fucking ban against me should also expire but yet you keep persisting that I keep banned for no fucking reason other than your mother fucking hatred of me, and now I can't even buy half of the fucking artwork that I want to fucking buy.  You know how this makes me fucking feel you littler pathetic dick?
 * [10:34] fifthstreetfur: I'm so sick and tired of your shit. You've written about me on WikiFur which I really am going to kill you for, you've banned me from Furbid for no fucking reason, you've stolen my LJ from me, you've gotten me banned from FurAffinity, DeviantArt, and now you've gotten me banned from WikiFur for an entire mother fucking year because I disagree with you posting all that legal bullshit on there for the whole mother fucking world to fucking see!!!!!"
 * if you need verification of the happenings in the dealer room this year, i am dealers room co-second and i did witness them.
 * i have nothing at all against jeremy. i do nothing to him. he simply does things, and pays a price for his own actions.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 18:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a note: Given that there is a User:FifthStreetFur recently registered, we might want to verify if it's User:Mozdoc trying to get around his ban. Spaz Kitty 18:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * he also uses anotherfurry, hellkat991, spirit_plumber, furbidhater, furbiduser, furbidusers, ayukawasbitch, mozcentaur, and around fourty different methods of spelling various versions of mozdoc alicentaurpede and its abbreviations.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 19:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If you had provided all of this then the outcome WOULD have been different, I feel taken, like in the way I DONT like. Oh Well, I was wrong about him, I'm saying it here I was wrong, and for that I'm sorry, and I apologize to both you and Kacey. --Alohawolf 19:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * i am sorry but i have this bad habit of trying to protect other people from what i see as my problems. it was glen who wanted us at califur by the way. he felt we would bring business. it was i who decided against going for two reasons. i did not want to bring into it more legal issues, and i wanted jeremy to be able to have a con that he could enjoy so he was not shut out of the fandom entirely. i even requested that fc give him a chance after the tro expired. he hung himself, and i wish i could get through to him that he is hurting himself. but, i have to protect those who are under my services.
 * i will pass on your apology to kacey. she will feel better about things for it. this stresses her out a lot and when she is stressed she is unable to do art. when she is unstressed, she loves to work. and, i do not need an apology, though it is most appreciated. you did not wrong me in the least. you were looking out for a friend, and for your con.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 19:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch BITCH! How much more fucking bullshit do I have to take from your god damn ass before you'll shut the hell up about this? Trying to PROTECT ME? Bullfuckingshit mother fucker. Bullshit. Total and complete bullshit. Protect me how? You aren't protecting nobody except that cocksucking bitch Kacey that you and everybody else in this mother fucking fandom seems to worship and think is the god of all artists, and now here on this page I find that your using MY friends against me? Just like everybody else that I've sicked on your ass to try and get some results out of you. Get your fucking ass down to CaliFur so that you and I can talk in person instead of you hiding amongst your cluster of friends like you did at FC you fucking fag. I haven't hung myself in any way the slightest, ITS YOU WHO KEEPS PISSING ME OFF AND REFUSING TO GIVE IN TO MY DEMANDS TO REMOVE ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ABOUT ME THAT YOU HAVE! And now this shit on WikiFur is just further making me want to kill your ass because that would be the swiftest and quickest way of dealing with you since all you do is ban me, ignore me, or don't answer me when I'm talking to you otherwise. Why can't you just accept that I want to be on Furbid whether or not you fucking want me there or not you pussy assed mother fucker and just deal with it? Everyone else on places that I've broken back into has and hasn't given a shit, but your such a mother fucking control freak that everything about Furbid has to be documented and controlled. Now, I'm demanding from you again. REMOVE ALL THIS BULLSHIT FROM THE WIKIFUR ARTICLE, UNBAN ME FROM FURBID, AND UNBAN ME FROM HERE SO THAT THIS NEW MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE ABOUT MOZDOC CAN BE EDITIED AND REMOVED, AND YOUR PSYCHOTIC ASS QUITS TURNING MY MOTHER FUCKING FRIENDS AGAINST ME!!!!!!

--Mozdoc

When will this end and the Legal Issues section be removed? When will the article that has been written about me without my permission be removed? I do not want to be a part of the WikiFur world and I am going to invoke the right to be exclused, right now. What I do with my life is nobody elses business and I'm not letting annoymous people that I do not know from around the world go data mining on me just for the sake of putting more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more shit on me from everywhere else around the world into this place.

Get rid of the article about me and get rid of the Legal Issues section now. Please.

--Mozdoc


 * You do not have that right. You have the right to request it, and it has been considered, and rejected. Simply put, if this were a minor spat about art that had ended five years ago, it would hardly have been notable. However, when your actions extend to making threats against others - especially those who are merely tangentially related, such as bidders on their artwork, or uninvolved WikiFur editors - it becomes notable, and you become a limited public figure.
 * As I have explained previously, you cannot stop people from commenting on your actions, because it is their right to do so. The more you try to suppress them through threats, the more you will lose your friends as they try to help you avoid ruining your own reputation. I understand that you do not like the record of your actions and their consequences existing, but you need to stop blaming other people for its existence. You're the one who wrote your words and took your actions - you can either stand by them or apologize for them, but neither makes them go away. Trying to change the past by removing such records will only work to your disadvantage; the very act of attempting to hide your past reflects badly upon you. You can only change the future, through a change in your own actions.
 * It's pretty simple: If you don't like people are using your hate speech against you, stop threatening and insulting them whenever they do something you don't like. This includes bringing up your past actions. It may make you feel better, but it just makes your problem worse. --GreenReaper(talk) 09:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
As a third party, I have extensively reviewed the edit history for this article. I have found that certain information added by User:Ayukawataur could be considered an attempt at revenge, and is most certainly a conflict of interest.

The information added is duplicated on the article of the subject in question, there is no legitimate need to post the whole thing in multiple places on Wikifur.

Allowing a user who is personally involved in the situation to edit and add information would be the same as allowing an officer to investigate a crime commited against his/her family - and there is a very good reason WHY a department will not allow said officer to even be involved with such a case.

AnthroSamurai 12:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * actually the information was added a the request of some members of te staff of wikifur.
 * honestly, i wish people would quit accusing me of emotional concepts i am not capable of. it grows quite bothersome after a while. almost makes me feel inferior for the simple fact i wonder what it is like to feel these ways.
 * i now return control of this issue to the staff members who requested this information before it was written and added in.
 * Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 05:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

It is far simpler to have a link to the person's entry than to repost the entire section mutliple times. As for "i wish people would quit accusing me of emotional concepts i am not capable of", I am only going by how it appeared.

HELP! The marshmellow peeps are MASSING! 23:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * was not reposted by myself multiple times. in fact, the area you erased, was the first place it was posted. it spread from there to other places. and i only participated in the posting of the truth there and have only made certain posts in other locations have been accurate, not initiating the posts myself.
 * you should have noticed this had you done the depth of research you claim to have.
 * also, please thank you for your explanation of appearances. i understand and have nothing against you for such. please understand that to judge another on what you think is the issue, while not being part of that issue, or conducting accurate and complete research to determine said issue/person, which includes speaking to that person, is not only rude, but poor investigating capacity/technique in action. i may review this again when i get back next week and discuss it with staff and let them make the determination based on the history of this issue and the long term policies they have set. their site, their rules.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 00:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Correct, I didn't check the history of the other page. Forgive me for implying YOU were posting it muliple places. (as one who constantly has to deal with lies and mis-information, believe me - I know the feeling.)

HELP! The marshmellow peeps are MASSING! 01:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * there is nothing to forgive. i am very aware of how mozdoc operates and how he is able to manipulate people. had a long discussion with him last night that included you as part of it and his problems with you now. very standard now.
 * any way, as i said, i intend to review a lot of this over the next couple days now that i am home, and clean up some of the mess you made.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 03:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Some of the mess I MADE??? Listen snot, If people like you didn't go around dragging things all over the place I would never have gotten involved in the first place. And as for Mozdoc, he needs to calm his butt down. I could care less what either of you two think of me - when I see something wrong I'm going to do something about it. If you don't like it tough.

From what I've seen of your posts, you're a spoiled brat who's thrown tantrums in the past to get her way, and whose never really been disciplined.

NOW, if you want to press the issue, I DO have ways of making you regret it. And if you want to try dragging others in to do your bidding, it only means you'll get it back 10 times worse.

So which is it going to be? Are you going to cool it with your snotty holier than thou attitude? or are we going to face off???

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 05:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * bad choice of words. english is quite complicated and what may apply once or more may not apply again at another time. a better choice would probable been: "incomplete editing job".
 * it is odd, but for a person who does claiming to follow bushi-do, User:AnthroSamurai, you seem to be forgetting that the greatest battles are those fought in the mind and in the heart, not with the blade. perhaps it may benefit you to take time to return to the roots of your education and once more find what bushi holds so sacred.
 * i do find a curious contradiction, where above you claim you are apologizing for implying i did such, then you later claim i do. odd.
 * you also inspired me to take the time to go back and read over every single post i have ever made, and ever edit ever, on wikifur. my mission was to find any place where i have used a tantrum as a technique, shown a lack of proper discipline, or used any thing other than pure logic and abject reasoning. such a quest was a waste of my time, but i did complete it. so, i would like to ask you if you would be so kind as to point out where i have done such. if i have, then something needs to be addressed in a proper manner and i do not wish to delay such.
 * finally, please, keep threats out of the equation. most who read the wiki, and have authority over it, do not appreciate such. it is ill mannered and rude.
 * i hope this is concise enough.
 * --Ayukawataur : FurBid-SF Administaur 20:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Quite simply, in spite of your claims, you HAVE shown such things as annoyance, irritation, and even hostility. That would classify you as a pretender(to put it mildly).

I, on the other hand, make no such claims about myself. If someone is stupid enough to "lay an attitude on me", they can expect to be called out on it.

To answer the unasked question - yes, Mozdoc and I ARE somewhat alike. HOWEVER, where he tries to use his rather undeveloped abilities for his own personal gain and to h*** with everyone else, I use mine to oppose such things, and to at least try to restore balance(among other things). I appears that Mozdoc has no real idea how to use such tactics effectively, of which you should consider yourself fortunate.

As for threats, I can put your mind at ease right now. Your scheming and attitude are a minor annoyance, nothing more. At most, you could expect me - if irritated - to "have a little mischievious fun" with you (like a comical spoof article about you somewhere :)) ). To quote a favorite movie line: "We can't shoot the son of a *****, might as well have a little fun with em." You're not worth more than that, and there's so much in this world that's far worse than a spoiled brat tapping her foot. :D

All hail VLADUZ - the EBAY IMPALER! 23:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)