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  • Please consult the Wikifur's page about "article exclusion" first.
  • The request must be made by the article's user, with some exceptions (next of kin, lawyer/barrister, etc...).
  • The exclusion will delete the ability for others to edit it any further, plus a protection layer is added by Wikifur's curators so is no longer searchable on such sites such as Google.
  • NOTE: Removal of personal information is normally not the same as exclusion, and it can be done without needing curator assistance.
  • The request can be made in a myriad of ways (Email, Bluesky, X's DM, Fur Affinity's DM, etc...).

If you are trying to contact me specifically about an exclusion, please send me a DM via Twitter at "Spirou on Wikifur".


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Personal exclusion[edit]

Hello, I sent you a dm via twitter about a page removal, if you could get back to me on that I would really appreciate it, thank you (I hope this is the right way of submitting this) - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rahh00ouu (talkcontribs) .

Alright, sorry about the delay (RL work), let me work on that personal exclusion (shouldn't take that long), brb. - Spirou (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2023 (EST)
...Aaand done. Article content was deleted, plus protection was applied to it so it cannot be Google searched/nor can it be recreated by anybody back into the wiki.
If you need anything else in the future, don't hesitate to contact me. Take care and Cheers!. - Spirou (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)
I need your help editing sparkie the wolf. it has been hacked - Sparkie (talk)

Personal exclusion[edit]

Hello, I responded to you on X in regards to page removal for Crowe Basalt. Thank you! - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.4.91.186 (talkcontribs) .

Plz try again, I have 5 DM msgs, but none mention Crowe Basalt. - Spirou (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2023 (EST)

Cassidy Civet[edit]

Hi there,

I'm just wondering, what exactly was wrong with the edits on the Cassidy Civet page? The page currently functions as the subject's personal blog (which is not how Wiki articles are supposed to read). I spent quite a bit of time reformatting the page to remove unnecessary fluff while rebuilding the convention attendance list, and including additional and new research. Why exactly were the changes reverted? --50.125.93.8 21:05, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Hallo.
"The page currently functions as the subject's personal blog", hmm, you haven't seen some of the more... larger articles on this wiki (they make this article look like a one-paragraph blurb), your POV phrasing indicates you are coming in gunning for this user in the first instance, and letting people update their own article is not (once, once, once again) against Wiki's policies (including Wikifur, so...
Yes, there is a lot of work to be done with this article, a lot of fluff and redundancy to be taken care of, but there is some valid info there (so obliterating the whole Convention attendance section almost out without trying to salvage anything was not your best edit). Feuds are normally personal, and unless they affect the fandom as a whole, or they are very uncouth, they don't belong in a Controversy section. In your edit, you did not check grammar, double links, redundancy, fix the ext. links, or other needed really, really needed "copy editing".
We need editors, but not the type we have to babysit after each edit (it is tiresome). Hope you understand - Spirou (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2023 (EST)
Hi there! I’m terribly sorry about the confusion here. Responding to the comment you left on my page: I did not intend to employ any subterfuge. I took the message about copyediting to be about the way the article was written. I will admit I have never seen an article as long as Cassidy's on this website. However, are the other ones also containing a lot of superfluous details that don't add to the article? Ones I've noticed in Cassidy's are things such as talking about things she didn’t do, mentioning her visiting friends after a con, or unusual sections about how certain cons were failures for her. What my edit intended to do was capture the important details out of those roughly fifty paragraphs by including them in the fandom involvement section, preserve which cons in particular she had performed at via a brand new convention attendance list, and expand on other sections. If I was gunning for her, I would not have gone to the effort of making that brand new list with those details in it. If there’s anything you feel I should have left in my edit from the current version, that could be put in the fandom involvement section, I’d be happy to revise it and fix it; it took me quite a long time to make the edits that I did, so I wouldn't want it to all be for nothing.
I'm also sorry I didn't fix that other stuff; I had already been working on fixing the article up for several hours and wanted to take a break. I suppose I shouldn't have removed the copywriting blurb, so my apologies.
(Also, for clarity's sake, these edits were done anonymously to avoid possible retaliation from the subject, as they have a long history of feuding with individuals, and it is evident how important this page is to them with how much they edit it. I'm sorry for not being more forthright in my identity; I have had an account on here for many years, for the record. If you're willing to work this out more closely to fix her article up, I would be open to talking on Telegram, if you do have it.) --50.125.93.8 22:06, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Permission to use photographs[edit]

Hello! I run a fan wiki, and I was doing research for the late Wendell Washer. Since your photographs seem to be some of the only pictures of the man on the internet, I am here to request permission to upload them to my site as well. The photographs will of course not be profited off of and we will credit you properly.--Amelia Was Alone (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2023 (EST)

PepperCoyote Covid controversy + vendoring blacklist[edit]

Hello. I don't really understand how you came to the conclusion that Pepper's Covid controversy isn't related to the furry fandom. It involved himself, a fairly high profile person within the fandom, trying to encourage and instruct other people, also in the fandom, on how to lie on their covid vaccine applications which caused them to receive backlash from, again, people in the fandom. It's a furry directly interacting with other furries and furries reacting to that furry. If this is considered to be unrelated to the fandom, than what exactly is considered relevant? There are several articles on site that come to mind which include information that could also be considered unrelated to the fandom or as personal incidents. Articles such as Simba_Lion_(United_States) mentioning a shootout with the police (how is that related to the fandom or not a personal incident?) or the other [[1]]'s article mentioning him being wanted by the police (again, this seems more like what would be actually described as a personal incident unrelated to the fandom). I'm also unsure why you changed the "Restricted from vendoring and/or performing" indicator to only mention performing when Pepper himself explicitly stated that they had been blacklisted from vendoring in the dealers den at MFF. - Template:Unsigned35.151.75.132

Because is not: Cheating on taxes, cutting in line, getting a COVID vaccine early, etc, are personal "issues", not fandom "controversies" (had he told people NOT to get the COVID-19 vaccine, then that would be a controversy, as he would have put people in possible danger, including death).
We cover murders, rape, stealing, and other mainstream criminal deeds, as it has affected furries in the past (and unfortunately, in the future). Getting a COVID-19 vaccine early by using subterfuges only makes him look bad, and if somebody else does it because he suggested it, well, not kosher, but still not a real controversy. You trying to shove a non-issue into an article because it is clear you have a POV issue with this person, not the mentality to have in a place where neutrality is king.
As per "vendoring": (A) Checking social media, his musical performances were banned, not his "vendoring", and (B) "Vendoring" is more commonly used in software parlance, "Vending" is the one related to selling wares. - Spirou (talk) 00:07, 11 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks[edit]

Thanks for the unbanning,. Tai 1 (talk) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (EST)

No probs, you just got caught up by mistake during spam cleanup. Cheers!. - Spirou (talk) 03:28, 18 December 2023 (EST)

EasyTimeline pages on the site.[edit]

Hi, Spirou. I think that something is broken with EasyTimeline on the site. We use it mainly for the Convention Timeline and a couple of other smaller graphs. Right now, any edits result in a broken image icon. The currently displaying timeline is only there because the image is cached on the server side. I had originally wondered if we had hit some kind of internal size limit, but I played around with a much smaller table in my talk sandbox, and got the same behavior. Based on my edits, I can pinpoint that it broke sometime between October 29 and November 6.

Side note: I kind of worry about how much cpu and memory load it takes to generate the timeline, though I suppose once the image is cached, it is fine.

Thank you - TheRedSquirrel (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Hallo, TheRedSquirrel. Unfortunately, I am not privy to the underpinnings of Wikifur, code-wise, curator Greenreaper would be the one (and top) person with this knowledge. I am sorry I cannot help you with this matter. - Spirou (talk) 05:58, 21 December 2023 (EST)

The more damaged pages[edit]

Hello! It seems like the pages with the nyan cat gif somehow have the html edited directly. The div element that contains the main page content has a style attribute added, and there is an 'a' and 'p' element added for the gif and text. Hope this info helps. - TEC Con Staff (talk) 02:01, 29 December 2023 (EST)

Personal exclusion[edit]

I am deeply offended at the matter you deem my career a quote on quote "nonsense". I feel like you should rethink this action immediately before striking down true posts of matters you do not understand, good day sir/ma'am/other - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TotallynotFerret (talkcontribs) .

Image Addition[edit]

Hello! On the Euphorica page, you removed my line preparing to insert an image (as I was unable to able to upload an image). As I haven't become autoconfirmed yet, I was hoping you could upload the image so we could put it back? The image in question here.
I'd greatly appreciate it,
- Maddie!

Done!. - Spirou (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2024 (EST)

Personal exclusion[edit]

Hello, I hope I done this correctly, I am looking to get my page excluded as I wouldn't like to have it anymore, I did DM you on twitter but not sure if it got through, Thanks - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tevosilverfox (talkcontribs) .

Hallo. Unfortunately, I cannot do Personal Exclusions at this present time; I am already taking care of 11 users requesting them on X, and I am a little behind just patrolling the Recent Pages due to my RL animation job and life. Other colleagues could help you on this matter, or if you don't mind for my to catch up, I can do it later, hopefully before the end of this month, Cheers - Spirou (talk) 19:42, 16 January 2024 (EST)
No that's fine, There is no rush, Thanks for the response :) - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tevosilverfox (talkcontribs) .

Email[edit]

Hi Spirou

I sent you a fairly high priority/urgent email through the site's system, I don't know if you got it or not. I've had no acknowledgement of such. It's an extremely sensitive topic that I don't want to discuss publicly. If you can't respond through discord, the email address registered to this account will work as well.

- WhiteTigerOfTheWest (talk)

Hallo; I have been really behind schedule due to RL and pro work since September 2023, and it has not slowed down for Jan 2024. Let me check my Apple Mail program for your email, I have filters set for Wikifur letters going to its own mailbox, but Apple software is n longer guaranteed it will work (ending up on spam, et al), so let me check/BRB live...
Okay, found it, and, unfortunately, the article(s) can not be set to "read-only" (due to the nature of the site being a living Wiki, at least at the present moment, ), so the two options you have is to either Personal Exclude them, or leaving them up and just keep an eye on them/revert sus edits, just like the rest of current user articles on the site... Unless Colleague GreenReaper has an alternate third/fourth/etc choice. Sry (as for KF, I don't think they are not even operational anymore, according to mainstream news, just FYI). - Spirou (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2024 (EST)
Hello once again and thank you for the response! Given circumstances I don't think my article will be the target of vandalism anymore, or at least not until my uh, personal decisions, are more public. That being said, I think it's for the best I ask for a personal exclusion to have the article deleted/removed so I can craft an improved one for myself as I am now. Last I checked KF was struggling to stay afloat as the 2023 lawsuit damages have cost the owner quite dearly. - WhiteTigerOfTheWest (talk)
So go ahead with exclusion then?. - Spirou (talk) 02:18, 2 February 2024 (EST)
Yes please! If possible please permanently remove as much as you can. - WhiteTigerOfTheWest (talk)
And done. Plus image(s) removal, plus sach protection applied. If you need anything else, just DM me, Cheers. - Spirou (talk) 22:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)

Personal re-inclusion[edit]

Hi Spirou,

Even after 8+ years, I still get a little nervous editing here. I was originally known as LexiconTohin back in 2016; I no longer can access that account, and I haven't used that specific alias in a while. I was curious in re-enabling/unlocking my page, but possibly having it renamed to "Lexicon" as the surname isn't used anymore. I feel as if it could be beneficial for the page to reflect my current contributions to the fandom, with additional community input. Would just making a new page called Lexicon be acceptable, or just renaming the current page? I wanted to reach out before doing anything drastic.

Thanks, --Lexicon (talk) 22:46, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Done and done. Did a quick edit (a lot of refs are 404), so you will need to give it a once-over. Your Fur Affinity is still locked, so I couldn't find the article image's missing image, just FYI. Cheers. - Spirou (talk) 22:29, 4 February 2024 (EST)

In Regards to Fons the Bun (RL)[edit]

Hi Spirou,

I noticed that you made a recent edit on Fons The Bun on the request that all RL info on him (besides his country of residence) should not be made public on the main artist/person page. Does this apply to all other persons going forward (such as a page dedicated to BardicRJ), or is it just limited to ones who requested their RL info not to be made public like Fons?

Also, the user himself requested the removal? I didn't see any X posts on his feed regarding this matter.-DJ Lucifera (talk) 23:33, 4 February 2024 (EST)

This pertains to only this user (so far), and the request was made via a X’s DM. If you wish to confirm, DM Fons himself. He should still be online, as the request was done recently. - Spirou (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2024 (EST)
Or just to expedite the proof of the request:
Fons’ DM request via X










Is this enough? - Spirou (talk) 23:58, 4 February 2024 (EST)
It is. Also, I would love to DM him about the matter, but I am not a verified user on that site. Also, does the removal of RL info rule also apply to his music stuff (Urban Tales and Rabbit Trails, Rewind Life, etc.) too or is it safe having his RL info being openly public on those pages?-DJ Lucifera (talk) 00:28, 5 February 2024 (EST)
Yes. Stick with pro/fandom' s handles/AKAs - Spirou (talk) 00:48, 5 February 2024 (EST)

Species notability[edit]

Good day, where can I find the requirements for a species to be notable enough to be able to have its own page on Wikifur? Zaisarel (talk) 23:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)

When they are an hard, established part of furry lore and history, and an easily seen or fan-drawn species on most furry galleries (see Bambioids, Chakats, Foxtaurs, folfs, Skunktaur (Chakat-kin), etc, etc [even mainstream species like Taurens, Centaurs or SCP-1471]), or instant success (by large numbers and likes) such as Dutch Angel Dragons, Protogens, and/or Sergals. - Spirou (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2024 (EST)

Editing[edit]

Well I'm sorry, but I am not childish… I was just trying to make my article look nice by removing extra social links. So, I won't touch the article again..Sparkie (talk)

No, you can continue to edit to your heart's content. The issue is this article is constantly being edited by you, a couple of editors, an a lot of Anon IPs, with edits that make no sense, and if they make sense, is not announced as such on the save window, making it hard to determine or discern if it is valid, suspect, or vandalism.

In short, it needs in the futureto be more clear what is going on with an explantion. - Spirou (talk) 03:57, 21 February 2024 (EST)

Lumin City / Peacewolf[edit]

Please look into what User talk:Lumin City is doing to the Peacewolf article and fix what he's broken if deemed broken, I reverted once but its been reverted back by him I don't want to engage in a revert war and get banned. There's a lot of edits and removal of important info and its being slowly replaced by junk over multiple edits and I think his intent is to remove as much of the content as possible to be slowly replaced by hate and what I consider drama so its less noticeable that he has done this. I understand he maybe added the tag that allows a POV edit but I think this is another excuse to slowly vandalise the article, While she is controversial I don't think removing her convention info or other facts to just replace whole sections with drama is good for Wikifur He is messing up the article/page.

I also think you should find out if he is the real Lumin City as this person has allegedly been involved in convection drama, sending out fake Cease and desist letters to convention attendees and causing other drama. https://twitter.com/TrippWahDog/status/1749605387144171555 the reason I see this as relevant in this context is that there seems to be evidence from around the fandom of malicious behaviour or anti social behaviour and I think this is transferring to Wikifur..

If the edits are within the right context of a Wikifur article and the content removed is acceptable to remove please ignore this message. Fesothe (talk) Fesothe

Khord Kitty[edit]

Please delete my page. I've been the victim of countless death threats, people have swatted my previous residence and my families safety is compromised by the anonymous misinformation campaign that has been orchestrated by Joshua Moon and furry social media influencers. I just want my page wiped so I can focus on different hobbies. To me the furry fandom has transformed from an asset to a liability.

Simply put the online fandom rage against me is purely sourced from people using the context-dropping fallacy to supplement their defamation, not from any wrongdoing on my part. It's in my and my families best interest that the WikiFur page I created in 2008 is deleted.

Khord Kitty and Khord_Kitty_(filmography) are what I want deleted. - {{unsigned|ThisisGabe}

Just waiting for your confirmation DM on X to start your Personal exclusion. - Spirou (talk) 14:00, 4 March 2024 (EST)

Lumin City[edit]

Would it be alright if I copied his page to a real article and removed the irrelevant parts? Rippaid (talk)

Do you mean to start a new user article on this person? If there is relevant info on his user page (and I have yet to peruse what is in there), and if it is honestly worth it to start one, go ahead (I would recommend creating the article on your user page, finesse it there, then transfer it to the main Wiki when ready).
Just keep it neutral, plz. - Spirou (talk) 21:05, 4 March 2024 (EST)

My page is doxxed, please remove the history commit which still shows my ID, Personal Info, my real address and family phone numbers.[edit]

My Page: https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/User:DarkBloodKing - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkBloodKing (talkcontribs) .

Already ahead of you (as in done) - Spirou (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2024 (EST)

Sorry to bother you again, could you remove my wiki page forgot to mention that too.[edit]

Is there any way to lock my personal user page editing beside the wiki page ? Anonymous users vandalized it today. Please remove my personal information history commit in and lock it to only allow approved users forever: https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/DarkBloodKing - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkBloodKing (talkcontribs) .

Personal Real Life info already removed. Locking your user page?, no, terribly sorry, that is currently not possible (except during excessive vandalism... and then is just temporary).
Also, I restored the furry historical data (not RL info, more public in this case, and putting this "facts" on a doxxing page is quite asinine) on those three articles, but if doxxing is still a grave concern regarding the whole of all three entries, I would recommend a perma/temp outright removal of all.
Because if you continue de-editing them, at this pace they will be subject to outright deletion, as they will no longer be informative articles. - Spirou (talk) 11:31, 9 March 2024 (EST)

"Fluff"[edit]

What the heck do you think in the article I wrote is "fluff"? It's all information that makes me relevant and important in the fandom while keeping things concise and not filling the article too much. That's the point of articles about people - explaining why they are important to the fandom with short bits of information and links to the sources. I know English isn't your primary language, but I really suggest you rework your personal definitions of words that have different meanings than you personally think they have.

You say "this article about a person is a stub and could be expanded" and then you say there's too much fluff. Both of those contradict one another. Either it's too short or there's not enough info. I am fairly prolific in the fandom, and while I am not as active as I used to be, I am still actively developing the Sigma AU. If you think that the Sigma AU needs its own WikiFur article, being a furry-inclusive AU, then tell me. User talk pages exist for a reason as do article talk pages.

Shortname doesn't need to be present in the article even if it's the title, and if you look at real wikipedia articles, oftentimes the title of a person's article is shorter than their full name. For example, the Wikipedia article for Johnny Depp has his shortname as the title of the article and his full name as the opening.

Furthermore, the article doesn't need "additional sources", all the sources link directly to near or direct proof of the claims in the article. Remove the citations tag. Your draconian monitoring and editing of articles in this manner is wholly unnecessary. RedFoxOfTheEast (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2024 (EST)

” It's all information that makes me relevant and important in the fandom”. Congratulations, you failed to grasp what a Wiki is for. Wiki are, about people, information websites providing insightful, interesting, and relevant information about users. Wikis, including Wikifur, are not “your personal” property to make you look “good” and “important” anywhere, for that you use a personal website.
"That's the point of articles about people - explaining why they are important to the fandom" quite correct, to the >fandom<, not using it to self-aggrandize oneself. “If you look at Wikipedia”; congrats again, you get to find out also we are not Wikipedia; Wikifur borrows a lot editing syntax from Wikipedia, but we dance to our tune.
"Your draconian monitoring and editing of articles in this manner is wholly unnecessary". Do you mean Recent Pages' patrolling?, because that is what editors do, curator or not, we all patrol/check articles to make sure they conform to Wikifur’s editing rule and make changes if needed.
And your behavior regarding this incident paints you like somebody who is above the rules, so please take the one-month temp ban, and please learn/re-learn proper human interaction. And before you go with the “you are personally targeting me!!1!”, I didn't know anything about you until I noted that the short name didn't need to be deleted, especially if it is the name of the article. You could have responded with “but I prefer the full name”, cool!, that could have been resolved by me just moving the article over to the preferred handle.
But, no. You both took it personally and then demanded it be reverted because “ It's all information that makes me relevant and important in the fandom”. Truly, don't make this, a user article on a wiki, the hill you going to die on. - Spirou (talk) 03:30, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

Furality Inc - Remuneration Controversy[edit]

Hi Spirou. The paragraph removed in this edit pertained to a controversy wherein despite Furality's public statements stating that board members are not paid and volunteer their time, a board member was being compensated by being contracted as the 'Creative Director', and then receiving board-determined compensation for said position. Compensated positions in Furality are uncommon and it is understood that this position was not advertised or open for application by other parties. Perhaps it is in the public interest for this controversy to be noted because these actions appear to have come across as misleading to some, and quite reasonably so.

What sources do you think are needed to get this re-added to the article and how would you like to see it worded such that it sticks directly to the facts? There are sources available including Furality Inc's FY2022 Form 990 showing the remuneration, a web archive of the previous public statements stating that the organization is "all volunteer" and that "board members are not compensated". There is also a web archive link showing that edits were made to Furality's website to remove the misleading statements and also sources showing the Furality DevOps Director having to publicly justify the affair on Telegram. There are other events relating to this matter for which sources are not readily available, but help substantiate that it indeed was controversial. Overtake983 (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

Hallo Overtake983; to be honest between RL pro work and the (daily increasing) queue of Wikifur articles I have set aside, I haven't been able to keep abreast of the Furality Online Xperience's debacle (the managerial part, not the con itself), but I took a look at the ongoing editing warring, and noted that a consensus needed to be had between the parties involved without tearing each other's versions, so at the present moment, I would suggest if both parts/versions were displayed and edited on in the convention's talk page.
Currently, as a curator lacking time and knowledge to add the 2 cents to the conversation, the talk page suggestion is the best I can do presently (but has worked on many other articles in the past, if that is reassurance). If there is anything else you think I could help with in this situation, just note me on this page. - Spirou (talk) 04:09, 18 March 2024 (EDT)
Understood. For the record, the edits made by User:Foxxer appear to have been made by the Furality DevOps Director, Alofoxx, so there is an element of POV pushing by Furality on this article for PR reasons. Overtake983 (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2024 (EDT)
I've drafted text on the talk page and have notified all previous participants. Will wait a week before adding it to the article. Talk:Furality_Online_Xperience#Controversies - Remuneration Part II Overtake983 (talk) 20:36, 18 March 2024 (EDT)