User talk:Leam

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Hi there, Leam - welcome to WikiFur! Thanks for your contributions so far. Let me know if you need any help not already provided. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 16:21, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

question on posting fur meet info on community pages[edit]

GR, got a quick community-ish question regarding the page on Sacfurs. Since we have weekly (or so) meets, and our website is occasionally down, would it be okay to mirror the latest event listings (say a paragraph or so for the most recent) on the Sacfurs page, so in case of server trouble, people won't miss out?

Also, thanks for the wiki formatting changes on my user page -- i'm still getting used to it. it's quite different from html.

Obviously, I'm not GR, so I can't speak for him. But, we do have a upcoming events page on this Wiki, as well as informational pages for several conventions, so I don't see how it would be a major problem to list a schedule for the Sacfurs meets. --Dmuth 22:10, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Go right ahead! We're not exactly going to run out of space anytime soon, especially with the new servers on the way. --GreenReaper(talk) 02:30, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
I wonder, do you think we could have a localized events listing page? Kind of like Template:Upcoming_events, but by state/region? Maybe also have a "browse" page to link them all? I think this would have value for furry groupings that don't have websites.
I'm really liking WikiFur as an end-all furry resource, btw. Leam 21:08, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
I think that's a great idea. One challenge we'll face is trying to pull in this information from literally dozens of sources around the net. Another challenge will be keeping the information up to date, since local events with 10-20 attendees can (and are) rescheduled a lot more often than 1,000 person conventions. I think it's worth trying, though. If you want to put together an event list for SACs in a page somewhere (Sacfurs Events might not be a bad choice), myself or someone else can worry about the linking and categorizing part. --Dmuth 22:29, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
I just made a new template to use on such pages, called Template:Events. Here's what it looks like:


Pretty neat, huh? :-) --Dmuth 22:34, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Yes! My one question is, would you want it pulling info from all over the net (i.e., feeds)? Why not just have people come here and update their appropriate section?  ;-) Then, you'd just have "drill" pages to narrow the events down. For example, you might start with a "Local Meets" link, then move to "Country", "Region", "City", and within that page, have subpages like Sacramento_events or San_Francisco_events, et cetera. Leam 22:03, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Either method for getting the data ("pulling" versus "pushing") is fine, really. As for the "drill" pages (also known as "nesting"), that doesn't need to be done in the articles themselves (though a "see also" section never hurts), because categories can be nested quite easily. For example, Category:Pennsylvania is a subcategory of Category:United States of America, which in turn is a subcategory of Category:Groups by country. MediaWiki's category system really lends itself well to creating organizational structures. --Dmuth 22:16, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Wasn't sure how that worked in MediaWiki. Cool. I'll put the events on a separate page, and apply the Events template. Do I worry about any category? Leam 22:26, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
If you're not sure about categories, no need to worry about which ones to put the items in. Either myself or someone else will come along and take care of that. :-) --Dmuth 22:49, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Done. Hope I didn't mangle things too much. -.- Leam 23:47, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Pounced on Sacfurs staff?[edit]

Anon-ip added "Pounced!" to staff-list at Sacfurs. Is that info correct? --EarthFurst 07:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. He is another event organizer. Thanks for pointing it out, though I watch the page.  ;-) Leam 17:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Please use preview[edit]

When making multiple edits to an article, please use the "Show preview" button to view intermediate changes, and try to limit use of the "Save page" button to when you are finished making all of your changes. Frequent use of "Save page" during editing tends to clutter the article's edit history and the site's change log. -- Sine 01:37, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

That was deliberate, to avoid outright reversion. Leam 01:50, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

Welcome back[edit]

Hallo, Leam. You gave the editors and colleagues during the 2006/2012 era one hell of a babysitting edit job. Now that everything is more or less settled, including the often ad nauseam reversal of public data (e,g, "Improved Anthropomorphics", "trolling" et al), and except for some still needed clarification and reference links/data, the article may now become a valid reference resource, instead of somebody's personal lulz beach ball. Enjoy your return back, by the by - Spirou 01:59, 18 July 2013 (EDT)

i'd prefer to avoid an ideological debate about the merits of public data versus the inability to escape one's past mistakes in this digital age. the wikifur policy seems to prefer to avoid voluntary exclusions, so i'm trying to abide and avoid one in a reasonable way. if i was that upsetting back then, i offer this: i apologize for being that troublemaker i was. i tend to not have much deference to authority and if i think i'm right about something, it's rather difficult to convince me otherwise. wikis also tend to frustrate the hell out of me, and i tend to avoid editing them because of all the unobvious rules. if that's insufficient, come to california and i'll bake you some goodies, or something.
anyway, i'm a little bit unclear about what you're asking of me, though. can you please elaborate a bit?
hmm. also, i thought user talk pages could be cleared? most of this stuff should also be archived or cleared or whatever the process is. Leam 02:24, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
inaccurate/obsolete information was exactly what i was trying to avoid when i made those previous edits, and your current edit rationale is indecipherable to me. concerns include but are not limited to: 1. removing the projects i'm actually doing; 2. my real name--which i'd prefer didn't get linked for professional and not historical reasons--is not only present, but spelled wrong; 3. my website is linked wrong (200found, also a tumblr blog, no longer exists and was ported to; 4. "the brad" is a misspelling of my relatively obscure livejournal name (in otherwords, NOT the one i was known as a troll); 5. my involvement with IA is misrepresented and ended in 2008-- (hence my initial removal).
i'm sure you have your reasons, but i have neither the time nor inclination to redo all that work nor go back and forth with you about something i mostly wrote in the first place. cheers. Leam 03:04, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
"inaccurate/obsolete information was exactly what i was trying to avoid when i..." Good, understandable. =) We had to reconstitute the now reactivated, out-of-date, article based on old, semi-current, and dubious current data, and if there's information that needs fixing, the Wiki process of editing is a most wonderful tool, specially from a first person perspective. So go crazy! (can get closer to the truth than one's self) ^.^ ...and I do think you meant "Obnoxious" on "because of all the unobvious rules"?, and I will go for the Blueberry Muffins on the goodies part if you are offering, danke! - Spirou 03:31, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
Oh; The needed parts, Yes, off course: References for the statements that need verification (no duh, right?), and clarification of what do you wish to explain/express/impart about the "privilege", "pathy", und ze "sex negativity", jah?. Take your time, whenever you feel up to, or a helpful editor is willing to procure the article with refs and clarifications in the mean time. Tah! - Spirou 03:31, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
the old version didn't even have some of the errors this one does, so i don't really follow your logic. part of the reason i removed the trolling bit is because it's not easily sourced, so having it return boggles my mind, as it was a positive statement i made in the first place to describe me. as for rape culture (not the same as rape), privilege, and sex negativity--these articles on wikipedia exist. i was referring to privilege in the general sense, though, and while most of my discussions about privilege tend to focus around race, gender, class, religious, and sexual orientation, it exists in any dominant-minority interaction where one group has an advantage at the expense of another. finally, despite my efforts to update my current projects section and avoid reversion and undue scrutiny, i'm back at square -1, so i've asked GR to exclude. Leam 06:20, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
"so i've asked GR to exclude." Oookay. "boggles my mind", yes, yes it does. "Et nihil valet perierat", as the Romans are fond of saying - Spirou 18:02, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
If I was the one making the positive claim about trolling in the first place, in my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to revert if I update it (because as people, our self-opinions change), and it certainly doesn't make sense to request a citation. I'm familiar with the concept of wiki reverts, but what's in place now ended up being in my opinion worse than a reversion, hence my "square -1" remark. If you don't get what I'm saying or why this has been upsetting, that's fine, no hard feelings. I just don't want to deal with this anymore, and will instead pursue better (for me) ways of identity development and self-promotion. Leam 18:49, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
I've noted your request on Talk:Adjectivecat. Leam redirects to Adjectivecat and so will show the same template; unless you meant User:Leam (which we can delete outright if you wish, as it's a user page). --GreenReaper(talk) 11:31, 19 July 2013 (EDT)