User talk:GreenReaper/Policy8

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This is an archive page, covering admin and policy issues discussed on my user talk page from 4 May 2008 to 30 July 2010. Please do not edit this page - if you wish to bring up a topic, copy the relevant portion into a new section on the current page. Thanks! --GreenReaper(talk)

Content Concern[edit]

Hey dude! I have a suggestion that Wiki Fur needs to be kept PG rated as possible since we don't want people offended by nude and yiff images. I have to change an image from one of the articles here. Remember you have furries going to this site from all over the world and we need to respect them as much as we can. ChuongChoSoi 18:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Chuong. WikiFur policy (like Wikipedia's policy) is that our content may be of any rating because of the variety of topics within the fandom. There are many topics of a mature nature, and some mature elements within other topic. We appreciate that there are differences in morals around the world, but we would rather not censor ourselves just to fit the more restrictive societies.
Nevertheless, I thank you for changing the picture, not because the original picture was naked, but because I believe it is a better (more accurate) depiction of fat furs. That said, you do not appear to be the copyright holder, so I must ask you - did you obtain permission to use it from the author, gokutothez? If we are not talking about the specific character, it is not fair for us to use it without permission. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Entry: Thaily[edit]

Greetings Mr.GreenReaper,

I am writing this on behalf of Thaily Brimstone, her page, Thaily Brimstone has been restored. Could you please remove this and lock it down. She does not wish to have any article about her on this site.

Thank you for your understanding,


Please, call me Green. ;-)
I have in fact just done this, after a conversation with Thaily over ICQ to clarify her intentions. The main issue was the percieved non-neutrality of excluding some pieces of information but not others; we're actually more comfortable with complete exclusion, and it seems so was Thaily, so everyone's happy. --GreenReaper(talk) 08:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Admissibility of Happy Feet-related articles[edit]


When Higgs Raccoon (d · c) created this article about me, I was pleased, of course. This event lead me to think more of the concept of this wiki, and it is actually very good. I now want to contribute on it as much as I do on Wikipedia.

I just wanted to know, since Higgs Raccoon (d · c) wikified the word Happy Feet, if we were allowed:

  1. To make an article about the Happy Feet Fan Forum, constituted by some furs, and perhaps more than we know. This page is under the GFDL as well, can I copy some informations from it? Where do the authors need to be credited? Talk page or article page?
  2. To put gigantic informations about this movie, a sort of analysis, and its application to the fandom? Can we upload pictures, using the fair use act?

Thanks for your upcoming replies! :) Diti (talk to the penguin) 14:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

There's basically two options for the forum - either create Happy Feet and make the forum a subsection of that, or create Happy Feet Fan Forum. The normal thing to do is the latter - have a separate article for the forum. I would suggest tightening the language in the history section a little, though. It should concentrate on the facts, not subjective statements like "grew quickly" (how quickly?). The talk page should mention and link to the prior article.
We tend not to do really huge articles about commercial works because Wikipedia does it better than us. We are not created to compete with them in their field of expertise - we would rather readers and editors went there instead. Therefore, what I would recommend is to make an article with an overview of the movie, but which concentrates specifically on the usage of Happy Feet within the furry fandom (which Wikipedia is not likely to cover), and then point people to Wikipedia's article in the "See also" section. Fair use is fine. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Article deletion[edit]

I was wondering if you could delete User:Nekonaru Letao and Nekonaru Letao. I don't really want/need them anymore, and I'm trying to cut down the amount of information about me. If I just edit it out, it can be found in previous versions, but if it's deleted, then it's a bit harder to find.

Nekonaru Letao 18:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I can help you with this. Your User page is your area so it can be handled how you like. Your article can be handled under the personal exclusion policy. If you change your mind, or a lesser exclusion would be acceptable(for instance, excluding the real name only), let any admin know. --Rat 18:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

People blanking own articles - explanation template?[edit]

Hey there GreenReaper,

I just wanted to ask one thing: I think we all know that many people often just blank their own articles, either not knowing or not caring about exclusions. As far as I know this behavior is not really wanted by anyone of us, thus my question here:
As those people have to be told about the possibility of an exclusion after they blanked their article without knowing, it is always somehow necessary to tell them, explain and direct them to the correct pages. so, is there maybe any template containing this informations, that could just be added to a user's talkpage AFTER they tried blanking their own article? This would make explaining easier and much faster I guess. I think that'd be a nice idea, just as a suggestion of mine.
Have a nice day, greetings, RealZero 07:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there is one at this time. You're welcome to start one, and add it to WikiFur:Templates! Just remember, it can be a good idea to personalize the information and often it's better to try and follow up with them directly rather than leaving a note on their talk page. --GreenReaper(talk) 07:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

request from RVDDP2501 - name change[edit]

Hey GreenReaper, i'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you could change a article name for me, can you change the 'Eve' article - - to 'Eve Mahn' - - I'll be updating the picture shortly, thank you :) - RVDDP2501 12:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure, done. --GreenReaper(talk) 12:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you :) - RVDDP2501 12:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Polish wikifur[edit]

Simple question. What i have to do to lunch a polish version of wikifur?

Handled in chat. For anyone else interested in starting a new language, just grab me in #wikifur or otherwise get in contact and we can sort it out. --GreenReaper(talk) 22:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

В моей стране, вы будете здесь, чтобы сделать этот сайт 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, we already have a Russian WikiFur. Fortunately there are people who live there who are helping to make it. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 21:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


How about reconsidering me or just flat out removing and getting rid of the entire article about me? I'm sick of being a part of WikiFur, I've told you countless times that I do not want my name on here, please remove me.


DNP Request[edit]

Hello Greenreaper, I understand you are in charge of this website. I wish to have my entry (under the alter ego "BullGator") deleted, locked and added to your site's "DNP" equivalent due to a pair of trolls who are continuing to vandalise the entry. As my involvement in the furry community has now evolved to virtual zero and I have no interest in childish edit wars, I look forward to instructions as to how a DNP request is to be formally undertaken. BullGator 09:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I have posted the exclusion request on the talk page, and will perform the exclusion proper within 24 hours unless further debate arises. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Dill Eat my page[edit]

Hello. I am Hamsterchan. Or hamster...or thegreathamster...or Sabbath Da Frog....I would really appreciate if you could delete "Sabbath Da Frog"'s page, please. Its no longer desired. Any other links I made to my comics needs to go, too. I'm sure you need the bandwidth. Thank you. -Hamsterchan

Responded in email. --GreenReaper(talk) 08:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Frida Åhman Article[edit]

Greetings. I tried to remove my article, as I no longer wish to be on this site, but it got reverted. Could you please exculde me? I haven't been active in the fandom for a very long time, and probably won't be any time soon. Gnistra 12:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Done, much belatedly. --mwalimu 19:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners protection[edit]

Hey GreenReaper, I'm sorry if this may seem overboard but I was wondering if it would be possible to try and protect the Extinctioners wiki article as I have just learned in recent hours that everything extinctioners as been 'attacked' by a hacker(s), everything from Yahoo groups being deleated to Shawntae Howard's own FA & DA acounts being wiped clean. I hope I don;t come across as acting paranoid but from the looks of things, it seems some one is gunning for Extinctioners and the wiki article could be a target, you can read the report/forum on FA here - - Please let me know what you feel should be done, thank you and take care - RVDDP2501 19:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok I see, thanks, I guess I was a little worried that if someone could hack their way into FA, DA and the yahoo groups and mess around to the extent they did, they could do something permanent here as well, I guess I was a little jumpy, thanks again and take care - RVDDP2501 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)



Please advise why you dumped my Webring code. I put it back, because I thought it was a great idea to have the Hyper Police page in the Hyper Police Ring. I didn't even know that this place existed until I did a Hyper Police search and I am sure that there are lots of others that don't know about it either, so a Webring is a great way to bring more traffic here. I hope you will let me keep it here. Also, I have seen other Webrings on here.

Thank you,

--Noriko Mori 03:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

A webring is not useful for a wiki article on a topic because it is basically a replacement for a set of links. These links should instead be placed in the article's external links section of the article if they are of sufficient relevance and contain useful information, and not linked at all if they are not.
Webrings were great for finding relevant sites ten years ago. They're pretty much redundant with search, now. If you find one on here, you are welcome to replace it with specific links to useful websites on the ring. We're not interested in being part of any. If websites find us useful, they're welcome to link directly if they wish.
We do cover them at Category:Web rings, but only because the more long-running webrings have become valid encyclopedic topics by themselves. --GreenReaper(talk) 04:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for your reply.

I have been involved with Webring ever since its inception and I find it quite insulting of you to put down all my hard work with them like that. I run some 40 rings, myself and have lots of friends there. I feel very sad that you don't welcome us here...

--Noriko Mori 04:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)Noriko

I'm sorry, but it is my honest opinion. We're here to provide information. A webring that you just created provides no additional value over direct links to the relevant sites. It is therefore redundant and so was removed from the article.
I also feel it is inappropriate for us to be part of webrings that relate to our article content, as it implicitly promotes a particular group of websites related to that topic. We do not participate in link exchanges or banner trading either. The links we provide are based solely on the quality of the sites' content, and are not for sale or exchange. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

RL name linked against noted wishes[edit]

Sebkha apparently put my truename on and it redirects to Zjonni. The notes on Zjonni expressly say I don't want that, but it appears this was done a month before the do-not-want note and not caught when I put the note up. I can edit the redirect page, but cannot apparently, erase it. Can you kindly make it go away?


Feel free to mail me if you aren't sure which page I am talking about.

It has been removed. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Frank Gembeck[edit]

I think we need a second opinion on some edits to Frank Gembeck - see discussion in User talk: --mwalimu 17:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

We have removed similar law enforcement not deemed furry in the past (I just wipe Sibe ones, as noted by the original op). Some kind of notice of his "departure" from the fandom and the law should be noted - Spirou 04:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
FYI... The discussion in question has been moved to Talk:Frank Gembeck. --mwalimu 16:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Page removal[edit]

Hello, I'd like for you to please remove

I do no longer draw furries or am associated with the fandom, so please remove me.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) .

Confirming identity via email. --GreenReaper(talk) 00:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Suspicious new account activity[edit]

There have been several recent new user accounts with names that look fishy to me, and I'd suggest being on our guard that their originator may be setting up to spam the site or launch a bot attack. Do you have the ability to run an IP trace on their origins? Do you think it would be overreacting to preemptively block them?

The accounts in question:

--mwalimu 16:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Several people have mentioned this now. I'll check it out. --GreenReaper(talk) 16:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good. --mwalimu 17:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Multiple registrations and proxies. Block'd. --GreenReaper(talk) 17:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
There seem to be quite a lot of non-active, new account creations in May, specially in the last two weeks - Spirou 23:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like we have some more coming in. Could you run Checkuser on these guys?:

--mwalimu 21:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll contact the necessary people at Wikia, as that requires staff access. --GreenReaper(talk) 21:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Same user agent, and an unusual one. Blocked. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete page[edit]

Hello, My name is Jarett Humphrey. I am a board of director for Helping Pawz. A page has been added to WikkiFur with out our permission and I need it to be deleted. Helpiing Pawz is not a furry group and has no furry association. Any help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Please reply to me by e-mail as I do not have a wikkifur page.

Jarett email address removed

Replying by email. Readers should note that the advance permission of subjects is neither sought nor required for WikiFur articles, particularly for public non-profit organizations. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Helpiing Pawz ... has no furry association.
What nonsense. Many (if not all) of the performers are members of the furry fandom (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc), and they have worn their costumes at several furry conventions.--Higgs Raccoon 14:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The point does remain that they're allowed to have themselves excluded, though, Higgs. Just like lots of other furs and groups have requested, But, just throwing that out there. --IanKeith 03:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a big difference between an individual and a registered association. Note also that the people making the edits to our articles about the performers did not appear to be the individuals concerned, but a representative of the association, who is not permitted to assert any exclusion rights for those pages. I think we have since found an option that may satisfy them, though; see the relevant talk page. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Page: Raykese[edit]

Hey, GR. I tried undoing a blanking on the page Raykese, suggesting that user Slicktified contact an admin about getting it removed instead. He instead re-blanked the page. Is there something we can do about this? --IanKeith 03:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the page because it was already marked as potentially inappropriate and I agreed. To answer the more general question, we'll be getting AbuseFilter shortly that should allow an automated response to that kind of action. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Returning to WikiFur[edit]

Hello. A while back I requested to have my name put on the personal exclusion list. I would like to have that removed, so I can re-post my article. No hurry, but thank you for help. --Patrickrobbins 01:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Confirming via registered email account. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Full Control Over MY page[edit]

I want full and complete control over my page here so that I may be the only one to edit it.


Username Change Request[edit]

Hiya! You know I've been wanting to do this for quite some time, so here I am. I'd like to change my username to "Softpaw", please :-) -- Natasha Softpaw ( talk | contribs ) 09:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. --GreenReaper(talk) 11:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Yay! Thank you so much :-D -- Natasha Softpaw ( talk | contribs ) 11:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Also, may I update my old signatures in my prior Talk posts to reflect the change? I'm not a fan of redirects. -- Natasha Softpaw ( talk | contribs ) 15:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
That's fine as far as I'm concerned. --GreenReaper(talk) 15:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Rollback Privileges/Usergroup[edit]

Hello again! Sorry for all the messages on your talk page, but this seems to be the most effective way to reach you about Wikifur-related stuff. Anyway, the rollback usergroup doesn't seem to exist, so I no longer have rollback privileges. Thus, I tried to undo some vandalism on the Transformers article, only to find that there's a spam-listed URL, and regular Undo can't be used. -- Natasha Softpaw ( talk | contribs ) 07:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice. I've made the group again. Your privileges were transferred, they just weren't active because it doesn't exist. And talk pages are the right place. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 12:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Message From RVDDP2501 - Extinctioners Image licensing information[edit]

Hey GreenReaper, I need your help, because of the licensing information useing on the extinctioners image, an RPG magazine or something has gone and used extinctioners images found here onwikifur, i need you help to change the information so that the image are protected and not fair use, all information about this matter can be found here - - I have spoken to shawntae on FA to which the licensing should be more like this - - please tell me what I should do, I wish to resolve this matter before it gets any worse, I really need your help on this - RVDDP2501 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

OK. I had a chat with the OTRS guys who can see that ticket, and they state that it was a murky "Sure, you have permission to use this on Wikipedia" email. As no license was specified, the original upload under GFDL was invalid, so there is no problem with you removing it. You should go through each of the images you have uploaded and replace the ConfirmationImageOTRS tag with a fair-use one. You probably want this to be {{fursona}} (or in a few cases {{comic-panel}}). --GreenReaper(talk) 04:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, you do not need to do this. I have set a bot to do it for you. --GreenReaper(talk) 04:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I have sent a message to Shawntae on FA informing him of your changes, I will let you know what he says and if this hopefully set things right - RVDDP2501 10:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


User AlmightyTora is intentionally trying to cover up new, important information discovered about him: that he is a convicted pedophile. This information passes the "non-public figure" and "no posting of personally detrimental yet factual" litmus tests because 1) The information is very public, provided by a governmental website, 2) Due to his activity in conventions, including ones where minors attend, it is very important that individuals are informed about his conviction in order to make sound decisions to limit his possibility of further sexual abuse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isopodic (talkcontribs) .

Responded (generally) on talk page.

Personal exclusion for Crusader Cat[edit]

Crusader Cat has made a request on my user talk page that I'm interpreting as a request for personal exclusion. His is not an obvious case to justify denying the request, but it's certainly a little iffy. What do you think? --mwalimu 05:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I think you should probably open up a discussion on Talk:Crusader Cat. --GreenReaper(talk) 13:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Request For Personal Exclusion[edit]

I would like to request a personal exclusion for Desiree Mentil, which I created about myself. Desireementil 00:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied via email. --GreenReaper(talk) 01:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Merging accounts[edit]

Thank you, that'd be nice to have my accounts merging to "Paul Shepherd" with the space. I think I forgot my password.

Thanks, Paul

Use of noindex[edit]

Could you take a look at Talk:KE Films please? I'd like to get a second opinion before acting on a suggestion. --mwalimu 20:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for Deletion[edit]

Hi, both me [name removed] and [name removed] got our pages added without any permission, and we don't like to be listed on this site by our real names. This is a privacy concern. Could you please delete both our pages, and prevent it from happening again by adding one of those notices? Thanks in advance.

I will contact you both directly regarding this; exclusion requires confirmation, and cannot normally be requested by third parties. In your case, please check your dA notes shortly. --GreenReaper(talk) 23:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Deleting vanity articles written by others.[edit]

I'm just curious here...

What exactly does someone need to do if they find a vanity article about themselves on wikifur they don't want to exist?

Do they send an email to an admin/steward/bureaucrat or register and propdel it or what?

Shentino 02:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

If they do not wish to be covered by WikiFur, they are welcome to submit a request for personal exclusion. If they don't mind it being there, but don't think the current version is particularly good, editing it would be the appropriate response - with the understanding that they do not have overriding control of the article. --GreenReaper(talk) 02:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Page Deletion[edit]

Hi, I wrote a page about myself ( several years ago and no longer wish to have it up. I'd like to have it deleted, please.

Thanks. Chinmyou 10:42, 8 January 2010

The fact that you created the page doesn't matter, as it is freely licensed to us; however, we allow individual subjects of articles to request exclusion, and I have submitted the article about you to this process. If there are no objections, it will be protected and the content will be removed within 24 hours. If you wish to have this exclusion removed in the future, please let myself or another administrator know and we will be glad to oblige. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

New Foreign Languages[edit]

I would like to start an article in Dutch. How do I go about doing this?

Thanks for your time and for WikiFur.

--Kashidom Daheo Nenakh 23:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Replied over IM. --GreenReaper(talk) 00:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Xsystm47 Page Removal Request[edit]

Hi there, I was wondering if you could remove my page (xsystm47) from wikifur? Please let me know if this is possible.
Thanks, --Xsystm47
I saw your request in IRC, though you left too soon for me to reply. The article is only a stub, so I have excluded it immediately. --GreenReaper(talk) 23:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Deleting Page[edit]

hi there, my name is Ella McKendrick. I would really apreciate it if my page titled, Ella McKendrick was removed due to personal reasons. I tried to edit this page about me on my old account, Gr8estwolflover but was blocked for doing so and i am not happy about people accessing the information about me. Thank you for your time and i would greatly apreciate it if it was removed. Thank you

~ Ella

I've posted a reply in User talk:Gr8estwolflover. --mwalimu 00:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Finished with DYK[edit]

I finished updating DYK. Does it look alright? From the looks of the archive, no one really updated it at all in 2009, or for the first half of 2010 so far. Would you like for me to be the updater for it? SilverserenC 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! The one thing I'd mention is that you can link directly to Wikipedia with [[Wikipedia:Article name|link description]] (I fixed them this time around). There's a list of such prefixes here. And sure, that'd be awesome! I used to update that but I just have so much on my plate now (maintaining WikiFur's software and now Flayrah, plus other stuff) that I haven't had time to spend updating our front page. --GreenReaper(talk) 15:15, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
How often do you think DYK should be updated? SilverserenC 18:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Probably about once or twice a week. The rate should be governed by the number of non-trivial new articles (be permissive; Kayiko and Man bijt hond are trivial - for now anyway - but Furry Canada Day or Central Midwest Furmeet are non-trivial). If you're interested in doing it more frequently than the supply allows, I suggest going back through the archives of articles created since the last 2009 update - I'm sure there are some great facts just waiting to be revealed. --GreenReaper(talk) 18:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Let's say every Friday then, or thereabouts. SilverserenC 18:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


I think will need to be blocked, if not now, soon, considering the continued attacks on Priam Wolf. SilverserenC 18:45, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

About a new user[edit]

KentuckyFriedGunman is a new user that has been going around adding fact tags to articles. Largely, I have no problem with this in terms of articles about organizations or subjects, but not for articles about people. Vanity pages are highly likely to have been written by the subject themselves and citation needed tags are superfluous on such pages. I mean, it's great if references can be found for such articles, but they are not needed. Am I in the right on this? SilverserenC 02:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is an example. SilverserenC 02:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Wait... You guys allow vanity pages? You guys allow fact tags to be cut from vanity pages? And you guys want to be linked from Wikipedia? Really? I will oblige on the vanity pages, as I had no authority there, but with all due respect, this site needs to cite more sources and use facts taken from sources beyond personal blogs/profiles/posts. --KentuckyFriedGunman 03:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Please read this. The rules for Wikifur are radically different than Wikipedia. We do not profess to be the same. We do not cover subjects that are the study of news groups or official studies. We do not use, nor have, sources that are normally used on Wikipedia. Primary sources are allowed. SilverserenC 03:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Those are the sources of our information. We feel qualified to use them - just as a reporter might use a blog, profile or post as a source - because we know the people concerned, in a way that the average Wikipedia editor does not. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, many pages on WikiFur would not be (and should not be) linked from Wikipedia. This list includes the vast majority of pages about people. Consider, would it really make sense to link to Pinkuh, or Wolfee Darkfang? Probably not. They are non-notable topics. Conversely, Fur Affinity is a popular topic and it is quite possible that it might be seen as an authoritative article. It can be appropriate to inform readers of the need for caution when information on such articles has not been substantiated. However, that does not mean we will remove uncited information simply because it is uncited, especially when it is inserted by someone who should be in a position to know it (at that point, it's equivalent to them posting about it and us citing their post). We would generally only do so if we had reason to believe it was untrue, or if the information was potentially defamatory and uncited. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


He's submitted the forum post three times now. More than enough to be blocked. SilverserenC 11:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Exclusion Request[edit]

I would like a personal exclusion for the page

Thank you for your time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaffawolf (talkcontribs) .

The article will be excluded within 24 hours, unless there is an objection. If you wish to revert this exclusion in the future, please contact myself or any other administrator. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit wars[edit]

Hi GreenReaper, sorry to bother you with this, but I don't know the best solution... I looked for the equivalent of a 3RR rule here but didn't see it. Anyway, there's an active edit war with Talk:Jessica Elwood. Is there anything that other editors can do in a case like that, or just call it to the attention of the admins? --CodyDenton 05:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I've had a chat with one of the editors. I suggest interested parties make a good faith effort to incorporate changes which they do not object to in each others' edits, and to seek to explain and understand the basis behind them. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, that user is still at it with slanting everything in the article, but I was wondering if you could check something out. You see, he seems to think that unless I have cited quotes from every single admin on FA, he doesn't believe that one admin's word that "Multiple admins confirm this" is quite enough. Again, he is simply getting in everyone's way and slowing down updates every time he decides to change the wording on every little thing to slant it against others. Duckhat 22:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


Deny-...He founded all that stuff and he is not notable to warrant inclusion? He BUILT the texas fur community despite texanfurs no longer being alive. I think that is rather note worthy. The successor forum would not exist if it was not for him. Some stats from the successor forum.

Total posts 93781 | Total topics 5132 | Total members 1121

I think that's a pretty notable legacy, even if he didnt make that forum himself, but did lay the foundation. 20:11, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you understand what personal exclusion is. That means that Kaffa Wolf went and spoke to GreenReaper and asked him to delete the page. Kaffa Wolf wants the page to be deleted. It has nothing to do with his notability. SilverserenC 20:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I realize I'm new to WikiFur, and thus my opinion may not count for much (simply because I haven't been around long enough to completely understand the WikiFur culture. I'll try to sum up my thoughts carefully. I respect personal privacy, and I also understand that people may leave the fandom for various reasons. OTOH, I also know (particularly as a relative newcomer) that there is a need for a stable, reliable, credible archive to preserve the history and legacy of the fandom. WikiFur has been helpful to me in the past, before I ever dreamed of becoming an editor, for the fact that when I heard people talking about XYZ, I could easily go look up who or what they were talking about. Particularly in the case of someone whose contributions to the fandom are truly notable, it disturbs me to think that we can simply erase the record of their contributions and blank the pages of history for the generations that follow. Like it or not, when you step up to the plate and assume any notable position, you become a historical figure in your culture, whether it's the furry fandom or the whole USA. I'm sure that there are a lot of things that, for instance, George W. Bush or Al Gore wish they could delete from the record, but that goes against the whole point of recording their legacies (for good or for ill). So I respectfully have to disagree in this case. Notability has everything to do with it, because it is the yardstick by which we measure the importance of an article as a reference to the fandom. We may measure notability differently than Wikipedia does, but it's still a very relevant criterion.
Is it possible that, as a compromise, we can offer someone the chance to "freeze" their page as it exists in a certain state (after removing anything that IS personally identifiable IRL) and put a banner at the top that the page is left in place for historical/archival purposes but is no longer active/editable? I know that WF stopped this practice some time back because people were not keeping their pages updated. In the case of someone retiring from the fandom, that's not a bad thing: we just want the history of what they did while they were here. Much like I could care less what Clinton or Bush is doing today, I'm only interested in what they did while in office. To the extent that a page (1) does not contain information that is detrimental to the person IRL and (2) provides valuable historical context, I think we need to strike a balance between the needs of the many and the needs of the few. Anyway, I've taken up a lot more space than I meant to, so I'll hush now. My own opinion, YMMV. --CodyDenton 06:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, go pick someone else's personal exclusion as a basis for your debate against Wikifur's policies. I am a terrible example for your argument because I am NOT notable. I am tired of people like you usurping my right to be left alone. If you're looking for someone to harass about this, is an excellent example of someone who should be included. Secondly, I am not asking for the pages about the things I created, &, to be deleted. They will continue to exist to document my "contributions", so again, you have an invalid argument and you're just here to cause me more grief. Thirdly, to the first denier, ask around the local community, they'll laugh at you if you claim I started anything. The forum I ran existed for only two years, the current one is over 5 years old. Before, there was a very large and healthy mailing list, TAFF. I haven't done squat with anyone local in almost two years. I have moved on with my life, please stop living in the past. Lastly, Wikifur is a great resource and I believe this personal exclusion policy is one key to helping keep it neutral. --Kaffawolf 17:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
From the tone of your reply, it would appear that you have taken offense where none was intended, and I am truly sorry if this is the case. Nothing in my comments was intended to "harrass" or to "usurp [your] right to be left alone." The point that I was trying to make was simply that, presuming that Kaffa Wolf is not your name IRL, there is nothing in the article that could be used by anyone to contact you or identify you. Regardless of the scope of your contributions, you participated actively in the fandom using that fan name. I was asking to preserve that legacy, not as an insult to you, but so that newer furs will have a resource to turn to when your name comes up in conversation with an old-timer one day. I know I've certainly used it in that way myself. I agree that WikiFur is a great resource, and I'm not disputing the need for the exclusion policy in some cases. I'm just pointing out that historical accuracy is another thing that it should be known for. Again, I am sorry if my post offended you. It was intended solely in the spirit of all good wiki media: that the community owns the resource, and therefore the community engages in thoughtful discussion about major changes. --CodyDenton 18:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Dan Skunk's Edit Warring[edit]

I don't know what to do with him at this point. He continues to try and add the statement that he is the founder of Furnal Equinox on both that page and his page, while all evidence says that he is not. I have tried to engage with him on his talk page and directed him to discuss things on the Furnal Equinox talk page, but he has not done either of these and continues to try and readd the statement. It has been over five times now for both of the pages. SilverserenC 20:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

He has started re-adding the statement again. Is there anything you can do? SilverserenC 03:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I feel like i'm being ignored. :( SilverserenC 04:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
It's midnight, and I'm still at work. I am able to make a few brief edits but matters which require significant thought have been deferred until I get home, and possibly even until I've had some sleep. The world will not collapse until then. :-) --GreenReaper(talk) 04:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I just saw you editing, so I wasn't sure. Thanks for taking the time to respond though. SilverserenC 04:40, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I've thrown in FE's perspective on this matter, but I do believe that some form of mediation/arbitration is going to be needed - the matter between Dan and FE extends well beyond WikiFur, and probably isn't going to be sorted out just between the two of us. --Scani 23:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Reiterating the need for some sort of arbitration - ref. Talk:Furnal Equinox --Scani 20:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for Exclusion[edit]

Hello! This is a request for the page:

Thank you for your time. HikariFox 03:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

As you are the only substantial author and there do not appear to be any current debate over the article, I have performed this exclusion immediately. If you wish to revert this exclusion in the future, please contact myself or any other administrator and we will be glad to oblige. --GreenReaper(talk) 00:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Personal attacks from BradRepko[edit]

BradRepko has been making more personal attacks against me and has now started making attacks against me on my talk page. Could you please do something about him? SilverserenC 20:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I posted on their talk page. --GreenReaper(talk) 05:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)