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Cooling down period

Okay, that is it. I am giving you a 48 hour "cooling off period" for the following reasons:

  • Misrepresenting my argument by insisting that I am trying to SpD the entire article when this is not the case.
  • Implying that by not agreeing with you, myself and others are somehow in support of art theft.
  • Accusing myself and other contributors of vandalizing/trying to vandalize "your article" for disagreeing with you.
  • All of the above after having been asked multiple to stop doing this and act calmly and civilly.

I'm a volunteer. I don't get paid to be here, and I certainly don't have to put up with abusive comments. Effectively immediately, you get a 48 hour "cooling off period". When the block expires, you may edit pages on this wiki again. Hopefully you will feel up to acting civil by then. --Douglas Muth 03:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Check my contributions, jerk. I have not vandalized a single case. You are trying to help force deletion of an article I wrote that has useful information and has been proven to be relevant, and has even led to the creation of several related articles also in the fandom. There have been numerous flaming attacks on talk pages against me, and not a single one of those jerks has been banned ... I counter bullshit arguments and suddenly you ban me?
This is utterly and completely not acceptable to me. If you aren't going to restore my ability to contribute to wikifur, then I formally request each and every contribution I've made to Wikifur be erased and struck. I am an unpaid volunteer as well. Trying to force delete an article that can and would serve as a strong deterrent to art piracy speaks for itself. Its your actions and behavior that define you.
If I marked your contributions +spd without cause, what would you do to me? --Chibiabos 03:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
You have not been banned for any "vandalism", at least none that I know of. You were banned for being uncivil. Calling me names and using foul language is not helping the situation any. In fact, it is having the opposite effect.
I do not know what this article is that you have quoted, but I have not touched that article recently. Check my editing history if you like. --Douglas Muth 03:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
No, he is saying that he was working on the article when the ban came down, and he could not finish posting it Spirou 03:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see. That is regrettable, and was not due to any specific timing on my part. I read his comments over on Talk:List of Do Not Redistribute requests, stepped away from the keyboard for awhile so I could think through the decision to enforce a timeout, then came back and did the block. --Douglas Muth 03:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
The "JerK" you are talking to happens to be a Wikifur Administrator that you have insulted the last 24 hours while he tried to work with you. You have a very big "Victim" complex, you don't listen to anybody, and attack any of us that have tried to work with you. "Its your actions and behavior that define you," yes, and your actions speak volumes,... You don't work well with others.
Wikifur is not about you, is a team effort Spirou 03:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
A team effort to mob me, apparantly. I get flamed all over Wikifur with no repercussions to the flamers, but the moment I criticize an administrator for trying to help force blanking and erasing an article useful to Wikifur, I get banned while trying to post an article about an artist as part of my project everyone wants to destroy. --Chibiabos 03:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You are NOT listening. People are telling you are doing something wrong, and you attacking the people telling you so. Can you step back a second, and think "why does it seem that they are all against me,... Could it be something I am doing wrong?." We don't just come to Wikifur, and think "time to screw up with chibiabos" Spirou 03:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, people are like both Downspin and DS who flamed me, Mitch who flamed me, and of course that's alright. The filth they post about me stand in several different talk pages, and congrats to them, they're welcomed Wikifur contributors. I'm a bad wikifurrian for complaining about a +spd (User:Spirou with unanimous concurrence so far with the singular exception of User:GreenReaper) that meets zero criteria, Jaesharp for threatening to change Wikifur's longstanding rules to strip my protections on Chibiabos, for making a series of articles concerning a specific subject that a long list of furry artists seem to value -- obviously that's "inappropriate" for wikifur as is unanimously shouted at me because it "mirrors" (User:Spirou)) another site (which it is easily proven as not, and I had to repeat myself over and over again since not a single person listened the first time) or "redundancy" and "volatility" (which applies to every article on every wiki, yet this article is the only one singled out as being deletable because it presents information acquired from elsewhere) or "a list in the very early stages of being gathered and formated would be better not added as an item here until more complete" (User:Sine ... so you should never create a list article until it is already complete, how long has Wikifur had this policy?)
Of course you re-re-rehash the false "mirror" claim (which I must accept, even though its not true) and my calling attempting to force deletion or blanking without justification as vandalism is not just an opinion that differs from yours but a bannable offense, and you argued that because an article is "likely to change/be updated frequently" (like a lot of pages on Wikifur, should they all be marked for blanking or deleting too?) and require "considerable work" (the article I started is definitely not unique there either, but is the only one among the others being mobbed for blanking ... and yet I'm not allowed to point out this not fair?)
Your repeated namecallings of the article as a "mirror" of a webpage do not cease, and yet you consider me to be "a serious impediment to (the) discussion." The arguments supporting blanking then go back to "could never be comprehensive" (not unique to the article being discussed, therefor unfair to only apply it to the article).
After banning me, the article gets further marched toward blanking with reasons of "no sense of neutrality," having "inaccurate resource information, or not provide any whatsoever," that I "started articles that have being questioned by several people" (since "several people" question every article I make), and I "insinuate ulterior motives" simply because harrassment and piracy articles get whitewashed with my edits reverted and references I insert disabled, that I "attacked anybody who has called you on it" (oh so that's why the article should be blanked, its a call on me!), I am "extremely biased" (so every article I make is too, including this one, and that's why it should be blanked!), and because I "have used Wikifur as your own personal pulpit to spread your beliefs" (yeah, that's so wrong, the DNP philosophy has been up almost a year with no counterance, I'm a terrible person for pointing out something different that's been used and is much better liked by, gee, artists!), I "have started fights and arguments that are not even to occur here" (yeah, I made up all those accounts to flamewar me, and further I started all those fights in the CYD boards against me that date back many months, as well as on FurryMUCK where I was harassed minding my own business ... yeah, I started all those fights!)
Of course, banning me makes it fair game to blank my articles. There's nothing I can do to stop the steamroll ... and tell me that's not a reason why you did it. By forcing me to shut up, you've eliminated the only voice of dissent so that my article that is useful to wikifur can get blanked, eliminating from Wikifur information relating to a long-established system used by artists and ignored by those wielding DNP. --Chibiabos 04:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • You are not banned, just on a 48 hours cooling off period,...
  • If somebody tells you something wrong, it's because something wrong, not because we are out to get you (I have been told I have mistake on articles many times, and worked with others to fix it)
  • You're not the only one that has had problem with people in the fandom,... I have, many times, many ways, and by people mentioned here,... But I have to be objective, and leave any biases I may have behind before contributing
  • As Wikifur not caring about artists, I'm an artist, and I have seen artists treated unfairly, but you must maintain neutral on a historical site that covers all sides, good or bad, and no matter how strongly you feel about it
  • If you have a concern, you dialogue with other users, not antagonize them
  • Yes, you have been questioned several times about several articles because you are not quite familiar how it suppose to be done (I'm still learning myself!,) but you can see looking back that you haven't been "questioned" about the ones that were set, formatted and referenced right
  • Certain paragraphs and entries were removed or reworded indeed, not because we were trying to "blank" or "whitewash" harassment or piracy or X, but because you felt so strongly about it, that your POV concern had gone beyond the neutral side directly into outright bias. It's fine to feel strongly about any matter, but no on a venue that we just need to present the facts without taking sides, Chibiados
  • About fights with other people,... I don't bring my problems to this site, neither does anybody else, neither should you. If you get harassed here, ignore them,... If they continue, they will be banned,... If you reply here, a neutral site, you just lowered yourself to their level. Be cool under pressure, just let it roll off
  • Again, about the "My X" part,... If I make an article, and it's slated for SpD, I will make my case if I think is valid, but if I'm shown that I'm in the wrong, I will just let it get delete it, and move on. It's not worth getting angry about it
  • "By forcing me to shut up, you've eliminated the only voice of dissent,"... Uh, Chibiados, that's not your job here. You, like me and others, from both sides of the fence, are editors here. We see the... "bad"... things out there just fine. Sibe has not been a nice person to the fandom, and so, we present his deeds and consequences here,... matter of fact, he was article #1,... Kind of defeats the argument that we are trying to "whitewash" things, don't you think?
  • You just need to listen to your fellow editors (both sides, be it fur or anti-fur,) keep your cool, be neutral, be fair (even if that person or group is not,) and just enjoy your work here
  • Here's a last point: I have two warnings on my record in here when I let my stubborn belief (tunnel vision stupidity, actually) interfere with my work, I was called on it, so I learned from my mistake, and moved on

that's all you need to do Spirou 05:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Pantera Tigris Altaica article I was banned from posting

For the record, here is the article I was posting when I got banned: (I've nowikiied it, sorry for forgetting that last time). Do whatever you like with it. I do not expect to return. Articles I've written are being marked for blanking anyway.

[[Dr. Pantera Tigris Altaica]] '''Dr. Pantera Tigris Altaica''' is a [[furry]] [[artist]], [[Furry writer|writer]], [[Role-playing|roleplayer]] and [[fursuiter]] opposed to [[hunting]] and is concerned about copyright violations. == External sites == * * {{Person-stub}} [[Category:People]] [[Category:Artists]] [[Category:Writers]] [[Category:Fursuiters]]

Extended vacation

The original purpose of the 48 hour "cooling down period" was for the parties involved in the dispute to take a break and well, cool down. But you continued to throw fuel on the fire and make things worse. To wit:

Based on the fact that you are continuing to escalate the situation, I have little reason to believe the 48 hour cooling off period will magically result in you behaving yourself here. I believe that at the end of the period, you will continue behaving here as you were before, and that you will continue to waste the time of contributors who argue with you, isntead of contributing to the Wiki. (Indeed, several hours of my time have been wasted in dealing with you.)

Therefore, I am upping the length of the block to one month, after which the situation will be revisited.

As I stated prior, my suggestion is that you take a break from anything having to do with WikiFur. Find something else to do and just chill out for a bit. Maybe set up your own website where you can voice your own opinions without having to worry about getting in an argument with anyone. The articles that you created and worked on aren't going anywhere, and if any changes are made, the content you added will still be kept in the article's history, so nothing will be lost. Come back after a month and we'll see how you're doing. --Douglas Muth 19:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I was doing just fine blowing off steam working on Hagane Requiem, Jessica Schock, the List of Do Not Redistribute requests itself, §ñühw¤£f, and articles I worked on or wrote from scratch for more than five hours after the last Talk:List of Do Not Redistribute requests comment that got me banned from my trying to post Dr. Pantera Tigris Altaica.
You made numerous ad hominem attacks on me in accusations of plagiarism on List of Do Not Redistribute requests by calling it "mirror" over and over again even though I'd refuted that.
You and your fellow other Wikifur admins have refused to do anything about the numerous disgusting ad hominem attacks on me still present on several Wikifur article pages. You and your fellow Wikifur admins have also reverted all attempts to repair the advertising reads of Crush! Yiff! Destroy! and Do Not Post to read anything other than the advertisements they presently are; combined with my unpopular arguments on Talk:Sibe have earned me this mob you are a part of to damage articles I have written with repeated cries of "Mirror!" and "Inappropriate for Wikifur!"
Information and facts I research and bring to Wikifur are clearly not welcomed solely because the majority of Wikifur wish to protect and enforce whitewashing of Crush! Yiff! Destroy! for antagonistic flamers and allow them to maintain disgusting remarks about me on Wikifur talk pages, Do Not Post and the Art piracy forums like fchan whitewashed.
It is abundantly clear Wikifur will continue to operate in this fashion. Until Wikifur is prepared to live up to its claims of being fair and balanced information for the furry community, I demand Chibiabos and the talk page be erased along with User:Chibiabos since I cannot even blank that. I know you'll continue to do nothing about the numerous person attacks you yourself have made against me along with those others have made and remain on several talk pages, there's nothing I can do but continue to express disgust at this and feel ashamed I believed Wikifur's claims.
You have provided nothing to refute the statements in those posts, they are all factual. You are dismissive of them as you were of everything I said and asked on the Talk page in question. That they "attack" Wikifur is only because of your administrative abuse to successfully obtain complete unanimity on erasing articles I write. YOu bet I'm pissed off ... I shouldn't be, I shouldn't be surprised at administrative hypocricies and abuses anymore ... but I must confess, I was. I actually did think Wikifur had some genuine desire for objectivity and willingness to include and consider all the facts, not just those that favor the majority.
"The articles that you created and worked on aren't going anywhere" ... except for List of Do Not Redistribute requests which now has a unanimous consensus to delete the information deemed "inappropriate for wikifur" with zero dissent, and I can't even explain or discuss Hagane Requiem. My only means of venting steam is working on more articles, as I had with Jessica Schock, the List of Do Not Redistribute requests itself, §ñühw¤£f, and and my failed attempt to create Dr. Pantera Tigris Altaica. I expect all of them will be go the way unanimous consent is driving List of Do Not Redistribute requests and Hagane Requiem.
In banning me from working on any articles, and from the statements of numerous Wikifurrians made over and over again to attack me, you make a statement that the work on articles I've done on articles are valued contributions to Wikifur. You claim to be banning me for making "personal attacks" against you (claiming over and over again how my article is a plagiarizing "mirror"), and yet there's a lot of filthy personal attacks on me in Wikifur articles that I pointed out on #wikifur. Am I just the only one on Wikifur who doesn't deserve protections from personal attacks? --Chibiabos 20:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
And further, if you're going to use opinions rendered on newsgroups, livejournals and other elements outside of Wikifur, then isn't it hypocritical to not consider the personal and libellous attacks made in and just about every occurence of "Chibiabos" found on their publicly searchable forums going back 6 months? Of course, those attacks are all against me and my contributions to such articles as [[Kaze: Ghost Warrior] with .... tell me that's not why you ignore them and that you take the same actions against any personal attacks on anyone on Wikifur. Something tells me they won't get monthlong bans for disgusting personal attacks on me. --Chibiabos 20:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hagane Requiem - "15:21, 12 October 2006 Sine deleted "Hagane Requiem" (Deleted as irrelevant. From talk page discussion: nothing remotely furry about it [the anime] or the group - other than one of the GMs.)" - ... oops! Wow, so much easier to delete my articles when you've banned me from even discussing deletions on the talk pages for the articles. What happened to "The articles that you created and worked on aren't going anywhere", Dmuth? How am I to trust you to keep your word? --Chibiabos 00:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
*I* did not touch the article in question. The one you should be asking is Sine. --Douglas Muth 01:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
*You* said "The articles that you created and worked on aren't going anywhere." That someone else deleted them seems irrelevant to the fact that 1) you gave an assurance that my articles aren't going anywhere (you didn't say "I won't do anything with the articles you have worked on.") and 2) an article I created has been deleted without even a history to recover it (so far as I know, I am not familiar with wikifur backup procedures). Following the letter of your assurance, what you promised has been violated. Am I being too technical in the point of what you said? --Chibiabos 02:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Unless, as with ALL other articles on Wikifur, are reviewed, and deemed not relevant,... For this specific case, one anthro person doesn't make a whole Anime community Furry,... And don't you dare throw the "I can't debate you because I'm banned" excuse back at us,... we tried to show you how it was done, debate or discuss if something wasn't appropriate, or even suggest anything,... and all you did was to respond with "How dare you touch my articles, you are stifling my beacon of truth, the only hope to push back the filth out of the fandom while helping all artists, you lying vandalizing, troll/pirate/CYD appeasers, who cuddle and advertise their filth, and agree that copyright infringement is good, and are against me, just like everybody else in the internet!,..." Hmmph, I can see now the last thing you wanted to do was to debate,...
And with that, this is the last time I will respond to anything that involves your persona, unless it's related to an article. Hope you can get your life in order, and finally see how much damage you're inflicting to your own yourself. Godspeed Spirou 02:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I was going to check each member to see if anyone else in the RPG was furry, check out the posts for furry content, and e-mail the GM to see whether there might have been something furry-related about the RPG that wasn't immediately obvious, but I was denied the opportunity to so much as post "Okay, could you guys wait while I check further?" on the article's talk page. Its not throwing it back in your face, its the absolute truth. Dmuth banning me makes all of my work on the wiki up for erasure, and it seems that's steamrolling straight ahead now that I can't even ask for a pause and wait. This is why I was pissed off, and now I'm proven right.
Dmuth made an assurance that wasn't kept -- when you say something that isn't true, its the antonym to truth. Its only a matter of time before all the other articles I wrote are deleted, to ensure there's zero alternative to the pro-pirate DNP and pro-troll CYD articles. Time and time agian, efforts to fix those adverticles have been reverted and the articles locked to block any further mending. They all read like advertisements, and banning someone from wikifur, then erasing their articles without any opportunity for their banned creator to debate or discuss the erasures nullifies WikiFur's claims of neutrality.
So far as I know, the reason I was banned was for "attacking" someone ... that's very hypocritical considering the number of attacks on me still present on a lot of talk pages calling me a dog rapist, etc. Its very much one-sided ... one side being me alone, the other side being everyone else free to do whatever they want and not being held to the same standards nor rules. There's no neutrality, no fairness, no justice there ... none. --Chibiabos 02:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The page was not germane to the theme of the wiki (i.e. this is a furry wiki, and the article was about an LiveJournal-based RPG based on an anime series that, from my research and other editors' comments, has no anthro elements). Therefore, it was deleted. There was no ulterior motives beyond that, despite what you may believe.
Every article on this wiki is subject to review. If the article doesn't fit the theme of the wiki, it will eventually be removed, regardless of who created it, or who edited it before. If it needs to be cleaned up, it will be edited mercilessly, regardless of who created it, or who edited it before. If it is violating NPOV, it will be brought back into NPOV, regardless of who created it, or who edited it before. That is the way of the wiki, and that isn't going to change just because (to be blunt) one disgruntled user decides to cause as much drama as possible over certain topics. Carl Fox 02:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of excuses, it broke yet another a promise made to me. I was prevented by an admin from responding to the discussion and arguments, or researching and updating the article to find more furry-relevent information on its contents. There was zero discussion, zero allowance for any of that. The same arguments are being made on the List of Do Not Repost requests article which is very furry-relevant but may carry the implication that Do Not Post used by forum administrators as a shield to claim is protection against claims of furry copyright. --Chibiabos 02:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I never even knew you made that page. My comment on the talk page was based on looking at the article and looking at the LiveJournal group. Neither of them seemed at all furry. WikiFur is about the furry fandom, so it does not belong here. I'm sure it would have done fine at an anime roleplaying wiki, but that's not what we are. --GreenReaper(talk) 03:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Even I know how to check who wrote an article. At the very least, if my research (which was interrupted by my banning) had gone nowhere in establishing more of a furry link for the article, I could have maybe found an anime or general roleplaying site, copied the article there if there wasn't already one for the article (and seeing if anything I'd written or found could improve it if it had) then changing the link from the involved furry's article to an interwiki link toward the other wiki. I realize that's probably not Wikifur policy, but I didn't even have an opportunity to ask for something like that. That article is gone forever now, and it took me hours to format it so. I realize you don't care and neither does anyone else, and I do feel embarrassed I was working on an article without having investigated further as to how furry-relevant, but I was denied any opportunity to check further to see if it had furry relevancy and if it didn't, to find an appropriate wiki to host it to keep the link alive.
That was one of the articles I had worked on to work out the steam I had to blow off in my failed fights to keep List of Do Not Redistribute requests alive. In fact it was directly related. I was just starting to add in more data and sources for the LoDNRr, and research out the artist it (and other artists listed in the sources) contained that I think would have better solidifed it ... for five hours I was working on these things when whamo, ban.
I have even less faith now that my Do Not Redistribute related articles ... indeed, all the articles I have worked on ... will survive the month than I did when I was more fuming mad at the multiple attacks. Do Not Post is a year old ... that's a year its gone with nothing to compare it with. You claim you agree that its not proper, but over a year what have you done to counter it? Since I'm not allowed to edit long-standing adverticles like DNP (as I wasn't with CYD), I thought I'd create a factual article documenting the explicit requests by articles for their work not to be redistributed. The result? The list page I put many hours to has uninamous agreement (with myself now removed) to be deleted. How much longer before the DNR article itself is? No one's successfully challenged neutrality or furry relevancy for those articles, but there's a string of b.s. reasons accusing me of plagiarizing by copying a website I cited and used, yes, a lot of data from, but I was lucky on that find and didn't expect to find it, and finding it and using data from it did not alter the validity nor relevancy of the list article.
So now I sit locked in a permaban, working on a brand new website and wiki to continue my work. I am banned from so much as discussing efforts to delete more of the wikifur articles I created or worked on and banned from continuing the research I was doing that included several new articles.
CYD can write a nasty page about me without repercussions and you have nagged me for a long time to write webpages about my opinions to link to ... yet when I post my observations and experiences on webpages and on an LJ, the ban gets extended from 3 days to 1 month. I'm sure you wouldn't consider that "bad faith" ... but me, it feels like you tell me to do something, then laugh your arse off when I do it and you suddenly shout "GOTCHA!" with an extra ban slammed on me that ensures I can't protest additional deletions.
CYD and DNP remain adverticles, and my attempts to fix the advertising reads got me many black marks from your admin team. No one's allowed to change how they read, it seems.
This fits the bill as "bad faith" all around in my book on the part of your admin team and WikiFur in general, and no one's shown me any way it isn't so. --Chibiabos 03:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the deleted article: It's not gone forever. Deleted edits, including whole deleted articles, are available to administrators for review. If you want a copy of it for another wiki I would be glad to provide it to you. We've just decided, as Wikipedia does quite often for various furry articles, that WikiFur is not the right place for it. --GreenReaper(talk) 04:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
That seems to be the decision with List of Do Not Redistribute requests too. Even if I weren't permabanned, I'm not sure what else I could say in the talk page I haven't already; all my rebuttals were ignored and the process I continued, as I planned before the +spd was marked on the article, prior to banning of adding more DNR quotes from more sources doesn't seem to have affected the discussion. --Chibiabos 04:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

List of pages formally requested to be blanked

Generally, all character pages. I don't care that my characters are listed for the MU*s they appeared in, but I don't want the individual character pages themselves to appear any longer on Wikifur. Here's a list:

I repeat, I want all of these character pages (and associated talk pages and talk page archives) blanked.

Regarding my songs, I don't care one way or the other. I don't really think they're of value to Wikifur. If they are as "inappropriate" to Wikifur as List of Do Not Redistribute requests has unanimous consent as being (with myself having been eliminated from consideration on the talk page), feel free to remove them. Again, I don't really care one way or the other.

You may request your page and user page to be privacy protected (locked,) as for the others articles, once again, that is not the possible as public information on a Wiki.
The following is this user personal opinion, and does not represent the views of Wikifur et al: Chibiabos, you need to realize that, at the present time, you are your own worst enemy in the way you are dealing with your own self Spirou 21:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Really? I thought it was the mob lying and repeating the same garbage over again as to why DNR support pages should be blanked and erased whilst pro-piracy DNP pages should be left alone. My conscience won't let me accept or tolerate this and allow it to pass itself off as ethical, fair, balanced or neutral. --Chibiabos 00:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
And BTW, those pages I requested blanking were all my characters. They're no different than Chibiabos. --Chibiabos 01:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
The Chibiabos article has been cleared and protected per your request. I haven't seen this done for user pages, but you're welcome to blank yours on your own. Let us know here if you change your mind. --Frizzy 22:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I guess you missed Dmuth's banishment of me. I can't blank nor edit anything except User_talk:Chibiabos. It won't let me edit or blank User:Chibiabos.

If they are part of your private persona (which they should have being on your [now protected] article to begin with, as it's easier to cross-reference with your name, and less taxing on resources updating every single different article even if there is only one change,) then, yes they may be deleted on request (tags added as per your request.) I don't think you're thinking this rationally, but,... Spirou 02:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, giving up on Wikifur is the first rational thing I've done since wasting my time last November thinking anyone here would like another volunteer. The only time I've received anything other than mobbed hatred for the articles I've created or edits I've done was the time I took a whack at updating the "Did you know" archive and I butchered it so many times I had to re-re-edit it. GreenReaper gave me a thanks for that on #wikifur.
I've received what amounts to "Get lost, no one wants you" for most other articles ... and I have a permanent "get lost" for all articles from Dmuth. My articles on Kaze feed the CYD trolls, no one else seems to care.
The CYD troll and DNP piracy articles will forever read like advertisements, and I simultaneously can never let that go, nor will anyone let me repair them to make them more neutral. When an unmovable force meets an unmovable object, one of them needs to pack their bags and get out of town. --Chibiabos 02:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

WTF dudes. You won't delete the pages for my characters and/or you want to return them to my protected page!? Motherfoxing son of a vixen, you guys won't let me die in piece. The whole point of my page being blanked and protected is to eliminate the contact information the trolls could use to track me down in what few MU*s I still participate in. Yeah I know its too late for the CYD goons you advertise for. Of course, if you want to prove to me that's what you want, there's nothing I can do about it. Do you get kicks out of that? --Chibiabos 05:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


Forgot to clean my website off Kaze: Ghost Warrior as a "fan site" after I wiped my website ... my website is permanently erased and will never be coming back. Also, you may want to consider linking the Kaze to a new custom wiki I'm working on Kaze and other articles on at ... I'll try to keep the Wikipedia article up to date, but I suspect they wouldn't care for me to get as detailed and expansive as I got on Wikifur. I did most of the Kaze updates and related articles on Wikifur, and I'll be continuing and expanding this on MaruWiki. --Chibiabos 04:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

So what's the holdup?

My character pages are still stuck in limbo. I've started my own wiki, since WikiFur fails to live up to its promises. The adverticles for troll and pirate groups remain adverticles to promote and enforce their image as benign groups, and my efforts to fix these WikiFur failures by including information which contradicted the erroneous presumptions those groups are benign were no small part in the motive for administrative abuse to stop me from donating my efforts to WikiFur. Its looking very much like the "Do Not Redistribute" related articles, pointing out something that's been present and commonly used in the fandom by far more artists than those who have consented to the "Do Not Post" conditions, will be deleted while my character articles -- which appear to be of zero interest to anyone except trolls -- remain (along with the sexual attacks present in a variety of article talk pages the WikiFur administration continue to refuse to do anything about) as insulting reminders of all the time and effort I wasted here that did nothing except earn me enemies including the WikiFur administration team. I can't even archive the lengthy Talk Page here.

How much longer must I expect to wait before chalking up as the lost cause it seems for the administration to do the decent thing as I requested and excise my character articles? --Chibiabos 09:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

"So what's the holdup?".... 5000+ articles ahead of yours. Take a number, and wait your turn. As stated before, Wikifur is not about only you. Spirou 09:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
That's funny, I only count 21 articles in the category for deletion, only 6 of which aren't my characters (or poems that were already identified, many months back, as not being appropriate for WikiFur).
And yes, I know, WikiFur isn't about me, its certainly not about (nor a place for) my thoughts, ideas, facts nor knowledge. --Chibiabos 09:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I've stated my thoughts at Forum:Chibiabos' requests for blanking. I'd welcome discussion from other editors there. -- Sine 18:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
News flash: I'm barred from doing anything outside of the User talk:Chibiabos talk page. I can't even do anything to the User:Chibiabos page, much less Forum:Chibiabos' requests for blanking. --Chibiabos 19:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

So here we are

Its been a month. There's zero sign of apologies from Wikifur admins. The articles for CYD remain as false advertisements when I've established evidence that CYD is not harmless and does, in fact, stalk and harrass individuals it wishes to excise from the furry fandom Burned Fur-style. No one will ever be allowed to alter this. GreenReaper himself is publicly a CYD member and hasn't challenged any of the group's actions and he continues to believe things I've proven are false, such as the claimed banishment of RailFoxen for his behavior when he, in fact, is buddy buddy with the CYD admin, reads the e-mail and still stalks and harrasses me doing "research" for CYD's "articles" on me. Namely, to entertain them with their long ongoing flamewar against me before I even ever found Wikifur.

No apologies either from JSharp, another Wikifur admin who threatened on the chatroom to alter Wikifur's policies also long established before I came on the scene when I tried to abide by them and get protection on my own fursona article from heinous libel and harrassment by CYD.

No apologies from DMuth for continuously ignoring my statements on Talk:List_of_Do_Not_Redistribute_requests I had to repeat over and over and he still refused to listen in the mob efforts to delete the article nor his administrative abuse to quell resistance. Zero evidence was presented for his and others' claims that the article was somehow irrelevant or insignificant to the furry fandom when I established that it was, in fact, relevant by weight of numerous furry artists who use the stamp and clearly have some wish it be respected. None of that means anything, however, as Wikifur is not the place for articles that might counter the claims of much longer-standing adverticles on popular pirate groups like fchan. Its funny how several Wikifur admin would privately remark that, you know, it actually is piracy and, you know, is wrong ... but JSharp who had apparantly done research on the Berne convention and insisted it "should" be remarked had refused to do so for all the time the "Do Not Post" article has been around without the "Do Not Redistribute" article I felt needed to be present to balance out the pirate-advertisement that "Do Not Post" has been.

No one in Wikifur admin sees any problem with these actions. Nor do many Wikifurrians, nor many furs for that matter -- only a very few. Does majority mean you are right? IN your book it does, and that's all you need. You can accept that, and I'm in the wrong for not accepting it.

Well guess what? I don't and won't accept it. I don't pick fights because I think I can win ... I get myself in arguments when wrongs are being committed. If I lose -- and I often do -- at least I can live with myself ethically even if what little sanity I have left is wounded even worse.

Its up to you. More double standards of allowing several nasty, heinous personal attacks againts me to persist on various article talk pages whilst banning me for not cowtowing to an admin who ignored my points I stated over and over again? I'm frustrated to the point of infuration, and not one month nor one year will alter this effect.

My only regrets of my own actions are when I ignored my conscience to go with the flow. I've done this time and time again and wind up with a guilty conscience. I seem to be the only one here with this problem ... --Chibiabos 16:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"Get off the cross, we need the wood" comes to mind. All you're doing is giving the people who want to tease you more reason to do it. No one owes you an apology for having a different opinion than you, and no one owes you an apology because you think your opinion should be taken as God's own word. Screeching about the perceived unfairness of it all like some latter-day Dr. Zachery Smith is amusing in a small way, but would be better suited to the appreciative audience at Encyclopedia Dramatica. If you want to be taken seriously and not seen as a Drama Queen, the best course is to not generate drama and quit trying to make yourself out to be a martyr or the WF admins to be Furry McCarthiests. 733 19:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually those who cry about "Drama Queens" disgust me thoroughly and more often than not I've found to be emotionally abusive / bullying to several degrees, completely insensitive to the effects of their actions (no, I'm not just talking about complaining about drama) to others. This I have learned from years of experience. Making numerous ad hominem attacks against me is not having a "difference of opinion" with me. If CYD had made the same statements about Dmuth as they did about me, they'd probably get permabanned, but because the attacks were directed at me, there's a double standard present and I just have to live with it.
Life is full of emotion and "emotional responsibility" ... everything you say or do has consequences and effects on others. Ignoring that fact because its uncomfortable to think about is the thin line I've discovered between a bully and a wimp. --Chibiabos 23:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)