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We're going to the MU, MU, MU, how about you, you, you? You can come too, too, too; we're going to the MU, MU, MU!

Don't mind me . . . --GreenReaper(talk) 05:47, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)
o__O; --Nidonocu - talk Nidonocu 05:50, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Merge MUD[edit]

As this is just a version of the term MUD, I am recommending this be merged with the MUD article proper with a redirect to MUD. Right now this is mostly replicated information from that article anyway. --WhiteFire(talk) 22:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Disagree with merge. This refers to an acronym used for several types of MU*s (see? XD), not just MUD. Spaz Kitty 22:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
MU* is according to Wikipedia:MUD specific to the TinyMUCK subbranch of and defined within Wikipedia's MUD article. MUD is actually a broader term when you come down to it, referring to everything in the Tiny branch, all the way to MMORPGs like WoW and EQ. --WhiteFire(talk) 22:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I looked at the referenced Wikipedia page and found the following quote: "Some use the term MU* to refer to TinyMUD, MUCK, MUSH, MUSE, MUX, and their kin; others simply allow the term MUD to apply universally." The other instances of MU* referred to a listing of several MU*s (such as the categories of various MU* games), but nothing referring to MU* being specific to TinyMUCK aside from being listed under that subheading along with 'diversification', which is the context of this article. My disagree still stands. Spaz Kitty 22:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Er, I meant to say TinyMUD not TinyMUCK in my previous remark. It is (as the quote you provided says) specific to the TinyMUD family. The list provided are all TinyMUD variants, and "their kin". The "MUD applies universally" supports my position that MUD is a larger term, in fact. --WhiteFire(talk) 22:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Then both should exist. I've heard MU* used among MUCKers a great deal, thus I believe it's relevant enough to furry/MUCKing to exist here. Spaz Kitty 22:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I was suggesting merging into a broader article, not dropping. However, I will just drop the subject, it's not worth going on about. --WhiteFire(talk) 22:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
If all multiplayer worlds fit perfectly under the definition of "MUD", there would have been no reason to make up other terms to better fit the purposes of the other systems. "MUD" has specific connotations to some people - most notably, the presence of a developed combat system. They use other terms to refer to multiplayer systems that do not fit with those connotations, and use the term "MU*" to refer to the collective total of all these different styles of multiple-player online system, so that people don't take a specific interpretation of the term "MUD" when its user intended a general interpretation, or vice versa. This article should inform readers of this usage - and it does, just like Wikipedia's version. Wikipedia's category is also Category:MU* games and not Category:MUDs, presumably because not all MU*s are viewed as MUDs by all people. --GreenReaper(talk) 23:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
A little more succinctly: If everyone believed that MUCKs were indeed equivalent to or fully described by the term "MUD", there would be no need for this article, because nobody would use the term - they would instead use the term "MUD". But they don't. Whether or not they are correct to use a different term so is a matter of opinion, because we're talking about use of language, not technical descendants. We should also use this article to explain this difference of opinion. --GreenReaper(talk) 23:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)