Not really furry
Not sure what protocol is for responding to this, still new here. I left a more lengthy response on what must be your home chat page, it probably belonged here. This is meant to be a species page, very few of which are anthropomorphic in nature. I had intended to add "blink dog characters" and maybe an illustration or two to the page that might explain why I thought it was useful to include. On the other hand, they are talking animals, in that they have a language they share with each other and are intelligent on the same level as humans, I'll tweak the first few lines to mention that latter part. I felt that I was already being too detailed for a species with only three or four members in the fandom...Part of the reason I went into so much detail, mostly historical, was that the Anthro blink dogs in the fandom based their persona on different phases of the creature's development over time.
Was there a Template page for species pages that I didn't use? Fades 98:50 18 March 2012
- Some background is that we often link to a Wikipedia article about a species when there isn't much said about the species in a furry fandom context here on WikiFur. There is Wikipedia:Blink dog. -- Sine 01:30, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
- Understood, yes there's information on Wikipedia, and it's a solid article. But one of the uses Wikifur has is aggregating phenotype information and cross-referencing it to furry profiles with the members of that species active in the fandom--I don't think I could add "Furry Blink Dog Characters" to the Wikipedia article and have it last long. I'm also working on getting a commission to use for a species illustration from a good furry artist. I've focused more on the species changing over time in the article I've written here. Regardless, I think I'm totally in line with many of the more obscure species pages here (dingo is a good comparison)--it's hard to make things more furry when there are very few blink dogs on furaffinity. I've created references to the ones I could find. I can also talk with one of the others and use an image or two to demonstrate the different "subspecies" used by furries. Fades 7:13 19 March 2012
- There doesn't need to be an article here on WikiFur for Category:Blink Dog characters to exist. (That matches our pattern of capitalisation in species and character categories.) I'm not at this point seeing a reason to delete this species article, but there may be further discussion. Thank you for contributing. -- Sine 12:58, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
Blink dogs would not necessarily fall under Species more than Mythological. The main problem with the Blink dogs article is that it does not cover anthro sentient characters, like Gnolls does, and as a species, we haven't seen enough propagation in Furry Lore to warrant current notice (first I hear of them again in 17 years). Displacer beasts are more common in furry fandom, thanks to artists like Ken Sample, who propagated the anthro version of the tentacular cat species from the early days of furry BBSes. And we don't have an article about them yet!. But a link hit on Google and "Displacer beast+furry" shows the quantity of furry material available, enough for a future article ("Blink dog+furry" gives only one hit).
Not that it could be a future article if they became more common with more artists, fans, writers, etc,... Two or three people is currently not enough for it, and as other curators have pointed, the information regarding these D&D beings can easily be covered by Wikipedia. The effort is appreciated as always, though. Just pointing out hoe we handle these matters - Spirou 21:47, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
- Hmm, Russian WikiFur has displacer beast article, and it could use the info about Ken Sample's works. Thanks! (We do plan a blink dog article, but it's because we have a bit different rules for topic inclusion, as does Russian Wikipedia - an article about blink dog can't exist there.) EvilCat 04:55, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
- I feel kind of helpless here. If the material was more general, there would presumably already be an article. There are blink dogs represented in the fandom, albeit very few, but I suspect there are more blink dogs than asswolves, and probably that representation is more sincere. Specificity doesn't appear to be a concern, either to the furry fandom (cockroaches are represented in wikifur, and I can only think of one of those, though a well-known one) or within the focused subcategory of Dungeons and Dragons species. The anthropomorphic nature of the creature as a qualification is highly subjective, since the furry banner embraces talking animals, and I don't think anyone would doubt the furry cred of "Watership Down," a similar level of anthroporphism. At any rate, I'd be happy to include more furry-specific content, I've asked for some commissioned artwork to flesh out the entry, and can allude to the prevalence of Displacer Beasts who are more widely anthropomorphized, though that feels like it would be off-topic. I'd be happy to create an article on displacer beasts and tie the two entries together, as they're related species, though the immediate "mark for deletion" of my first article makes me a little uncomfortable doing so.Fades 9:04 21 March 2012
- "I feel kind of helpless here". No, the intention, layout, and information presentation is good, just pointing out the aspect of it. Which you do make the point wit Asswolves, which is the point I'm making. Asswolves was a separated article, but as it was not a species common yet in furry, so it was merged within the author's page. Had it being like Blink Dogs, it also would had the "Appropriate" tag slapped to it too. No, the point wasn't because you created the article, more on the notability of it.
- Dozens and dozens of non-sentient, non-furry being articles, with a little furry connection, are created but deleted for insufficient furry impact. It doesn't have anything to do with you or the good intention. We can't add the whole of the D&D menagerie, or other works, because a couple people role-play/draw them, that's all. Yes, they could be included on Wikifur as a subspecies related to a Displacer beast article, with an additional "See also" to the wikipedia article (I.e Displacer Beast+Blink Dog instead of Blink Dog+Displacer beast). That would easily accommodate the inclusion/merge of your entry as a subsection on the Displacer article, plus all (although few) furry related Blink sources - Spirou 13:46, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
- @EvilCat. Yes, Ken Sample pioneered the Displacer beast craze around 1990, with people like Mark Merlino or Taral wayne drawing their own. They were popular species on old furry BBSes, were a would see dot matrix printouts of the creatures. I could contact Sample for permission to include his drawings of his female cougar displacer beasts twins for inclusion on Wikifur (English and Russian) - Spirou 13:46, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
- I strongly disagree about the idea of putting information about Blink Dogs into an article about Displacer Beasts (which is how I'm reading your comment above, Spirou, please let me know if I'm not interpreting that as you intend). My assumption is that information on a species should be either a separate article, or part of an article on the species creator or background (comic, etc). Not (at least generally) within an article about a different species which is in someway connected. -- Sine 14:10, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
- Yes, kinda (they are related in the D&D world). Just trying to find a solution to the "Appropriate" angle, which I still see as not propagated enough through furry yet to be included as an article, and cannot be merged with an user - Spirou 14:19, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
- A historic illustration? That would be great! I with I could read somewhere about displacer beast craze also. EvilCat 02:11, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
Also: I want to remind about my proposed corrections to WikiFur rules that would prevent such situations when a person writes an article he thinks agrees with the rules, but in reality his contribution gets deleted. EvilCat 06:27, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
Article update (April 30, 2013. #1)
Keep, merge, delete?. Vote: Abstain. - Spirou 03:49, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
- Delete. -- Sine 14:38, 1 May 2013 (EDT)